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Mom's desperate 911 call as 'pet' pit ball mauls tot-girl dead · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Monday morning, November and approximately six am, at Rosewood Mobile
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Speaker 1: Home Park located at thirty five elisabat Town Road, Lot
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Speaker 1: thirty nine, a witness saw a male's rest in all
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Speaker 1: black and we're in a yelled Bandanna approached Miss Hannah
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Speaker 1: Noella Agailor, age thirteen, and forced her into a green
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Speaker 1: two thousand and two Ford expedition and he distubbed Vihre
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Speaker 1: Colen's row overway with Miss Angler in the vehicle. Miss
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Speaker 1: Angler has been waiting on families to come out of
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Speaker 1: the resident to take her to school at the Lumberton
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Speaker 1: Junior High School, where she is in the eighth grade.
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Speaker 1: Every parent's worst a nightmare has come true in North
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Speaker 1: Carolina as the FBI joins in the desperate search for
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Speaker 1: a little girl kidnapped outside her home by a man
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Speaker 1: wearing a bandana. Witnesses saw her being forced into the
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Speaker 1: back of an s u V. Right now, the family
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Speaker 1: in anguish, Please help us find Hania. I Meanancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: This is happening. Now take a listen to Lumberton Police
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Speaker 1: Chief Michael McNeil. The suspect then drove the two thousand
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Speaker 1: and two for the expedition bearing the tag South Carolina
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Speaker 1: tag nor we M SAM eight four out of the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood and was last seen turning left onto the Elizabethtown Road.
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Speaker 1: At this time, the investigators are an interviewer and witnesses
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Speaker 1: family and friends, as well as conducting a door to
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Speaker 1: door canvas in the neighborhood and check in area of
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Speaker 1: surveillances to find out informational ten. As you hear the
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Speaker 1: police chief telling us Hanya was forced into a stolen
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Speaker 1: green two thousand to suv with South Carolina license plate
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Speaker 1: in Nancy W West S South nine eight four, n
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Speaker 1: W S nine eight four. To all of you on
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Speaker 1: the roads right now, we are looking for a stolen
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Speaker 1: green two thousand two SUV with South Carolina license plates
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Speaker 1: in Nancy W West s South nine eight four. As
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Speaker 1: we all know, every every hour that passes makes it
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Speaker 1: less likely Hanya will be found alive. Straight out to
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Speaker 1: crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Limley, John, what happened?
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Speaker 1: Start at the beginning, otherwise and unremarkable morning for this
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Speaker 1: family eighth grader Hanya Aguilar. It's just before seven o'clock,
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Speaker 1: about sixty five, and it appears she might have been
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Speaker 1: pushing right there, right there. Vincent Hill, cop turned p I,
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Speaker 1: author of playbook to Murder on Amazon Creator podcast Fall
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Speaker 1: of a Titan. Vincent Hill, you're the former cop. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you just don't expect a kidnapping at seven o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning. Well, Nancy, you and I both know that
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Speaker 1: there's no perfect time for a crime. Anything can happen
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Speaker 1: at any time, and when you're looking for a young,
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Speaker 1: vulnerable victim, that's the perfect time to go out and
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Speaker 1: do this because you know, these young people are getting
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Speaker 1: ready to go to school. So I think this person
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Speaker 1: was lying in wait to do exactly what they did,
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Speaker 1: you know. Vincent Hill joining me along with Dr Brian Russell,
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Speaker 1: psychologist and lawyer and host of investigation Discoveries hit series
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Speaker 1: Fatal Vows Kathleen Murphy. Right now, North Carolina family lawyer
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Speaker 1: John Limley reporting with Crime online dot Com. Jackie Howard
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Speaker 1: in the studio, Alan Duke joining me in l A.
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Speaker 1: You know, uh, Alan, you and I, Jackie, We've all
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Speaker 1: gotten children ready for school. It's a mad dash every morning,
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Speaker 1: no matter how much she planned out. How often have
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Speaker 1: I sent the twins to go get in the minivan
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Speaker 1: while I'm finishing up and locking the door and getting
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Speaker 1: their jackets or whatever I have to take to the car,
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Speaker 1: they send this little girl out, They're coming to get her.
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Speaker 1: She's waiting for them to come take her to school,
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Speaker 1: and this SUV just happens to pull up right then.
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, seven o'clock in the morning. Uh, in oh,
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Speaker 1: that guy knew her schedule. I guarantee you as somebody
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Speaker 1: in that community, Brian Russell, know her schedule. But statistically,
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Speaker 1: it is much more likely that the person had known
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Speaker 1: or at least had some kind of prior contact with her,
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Speaker 1: than that the person was just sort of looking for
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Speaker 1: any random girl and happy to see her and thought, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna abduct this girl. I'm with you on that.
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Speaker 1: I agree, Dr Brian Russell. Kathleen Murphy, family lawyer, I
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Speaker 1: know where your mind races immediately custodial issues. Is there
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Speaker 1: a non custodial parent that would come take the child.
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Speaker 1: The answer to that, Kathleen Murphy, because you've dealt with
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Speaker 1: it so many times, is no. This is an unknown
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Speaker 1: male wearing a bandana and a stolen green two thousand
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Speaker 1: two suv with South Carolina plates. Kathleen Murphy, what now, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think that this child was absolutely stud and kidnapped.
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Speaker 1: I don't up. I think that it was a plan
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Speaker 1: to pick up which leads me to believe that maybe
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Speaker 1: she had contact on the internet once again, and the
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Speaker 1: minor child is on the Internet and may have gotten
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Speaker 1: into some trouble. We're learning a little bit more, Kathleen Murphy.
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Speaker 1: We're learning a little bit more as the minute TikTok.
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Speaker 1: We know nothing right now about any connection on the
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Speaker 1: internet at all, but Kathleen is right. Police will be
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Speaker 1: looking through any and all social media. We know that
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Speaker 1: the family sent the little girl out to start a
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Speaker 1: relatives suv to go to school. Here's more, We're learning
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Speaker 1: more about the vehicle, everybody. We're learning that it is
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Speaker 1: a Green Forward Expedition, Green Forward Expedition with South Carolina
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Speaker 1: license plate in Nancy W West as south nine eight
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Speaker 1: for a Green Forward Expedition. The FBI on the case.
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Speaker 1: Back to John Linley, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, John,
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Speaker 1: what more can you tell us in the search for
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Speaker 1: this little girl. There's a fifteen thousand dollar reward. Tipline
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Speaker 1: two seven to five, eight seven, one nine zero two
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Speaker 1: seven to five, eight seven one or zero six seven
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Speaker 1: one three eight four five repeat zero six seven one
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Speaker 1: three eight four five. John Limley, what more do we know? Well,
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Speaker 1: that vehicle we've been discussing, we're learning actually belonged to
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Speaker 1: the ant. That was the car that, uh, the teenager
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Speaker 1: Hanya went out to start. And it's interesting the way
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Speaker 1: this all unfolded. Uh, Hanya was not actually sent outside.
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Speaker 1: It appears she might have been punching her aunt's buttons.
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Speaker 1: Her aunt was going to drive her to school, and
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Speaker 1: Hanya said, I'm going to go start the car. She's
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Speaker 1: at that age where probably she's looking for Reginald. I
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Speaker 1: can't tell you something, John Lemley. My children actually like
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Speaker 1: to get to school early. So if I'm not running
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Speaker 1: like a maniac to get them there early to do
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Speaker 1: their quote morning work, they will start riding me. Mom, Mom,
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Speaker 1: I want to get there early. I want to get
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Speaker 1: their Really, I could just see her going, Okay, Auntie,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and start in the car. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm ahead of your five steps ahead of you go ahead,
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Speaker 1: and the aunt kept saying no, no, just wait on me.
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Speaker 1: But Hanya, being a strong teenager, she grabbed the keys
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Speaker 1: and went out and started the vehicle, her aunt's vehicle,
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Speaker 1: that green suv we've been talking about. And it's quite possible.
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Speaker 1: It appears that the perpetrator just came up on foot
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Speaker 1: and actually pushed the team into the passenger side of
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Speaker 1: the car and that's when he took off and can
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Morgan Norwood at w
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Speaker 1: t vd TV. This is senior FBI agent Andy Della Russia.
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Speaker 1: The FBI now says a neighbor called nine one one
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Speaker 1: once she saw Ana being forced into that drug by
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Speaker 1: a man wearing a yellow bandana. The girl's mother, not
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Speaker 1: quite ready to talk to media, to David during a
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Speaker 1: press conference, the FBI shared this message from her to
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Speaker 1: her daughter and her kid never I just want my
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Speaker 1: daughter back with me. I'm here waiting for you. I
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Speaker 1: love you and only care about you, and I don't
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Speaker 1: have anything against whoever did this to you. I just
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Speaker 1: want you back. Can you get hold of anything and
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Speaker 1: civil any house sitting with it, any right in the
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Speaker 1: center the pot to see it. If you're getting hard enough,
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Speaker 1: you're knocking out. Find something and hit him with it
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Speaker 1: as I can. Can you run in the house and
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Speaker 1: got to taken to something. I can't lame that out here.
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Speaker 1: It'll take you thirty seconds to run out a game.
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Speaker 1: And I need somebody, ma'am. I need you to go
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Speaker 1: find him nice immediately. I get right about one here
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Speaker 1: and go along the bottoms of neck. He's gonna let go.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna release his job most as he won't have
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Speaker 1: a toy. Put legad somebody else. Everybody's around to you
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Speaker 1: as fast as they can get there. I need you to
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Speaker 1: to do anything you can do with that to make
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Speaker 1: that dog. Let go to slit the dog's throat. And
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Speaker 1: nine one one dispatchers horrific instructions to a young mom
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Speaker 1: while her one year old little girl was being mauled
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Speaker 1: to death by their pet pit bull. The mom screaming,
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Speaker 1: I can't leave her out there, I can't leave her
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Speaker 1: here to run in and get a knife, and the
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Speaker 1: dispatch going, go, go go. It is your only chance.
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Speaker 1: Oh what that mother lived through and now her baby dead,
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Speaker 1: lord dead in front of her eyes. I can hardly
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Speaker 1: even take that in. I mean as he Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna take a look at this case and figure out
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Speaker 1: what can we do to stop this from happening again.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about little Trinity Harold, just one year old,
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Speaker 1: died in the hospital on Monday, lingering for a week
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Speaker 1: after a pitt at quote that in the air, a
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Speaker 1: pit pit bull attack. She was just simply playing with
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Speaker 1: her family's pit bull when suddenly the dog attacked her.
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Speaker 1: Her mother, Miranda's nine one call has emerged and is
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Speaker 1: breaking hearts all over the country. She hears the dispatch
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Speaker 1: instructing her to slit the dog's throat and beat it
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Speaker 1: to death. She grabbed a knife and tried to kill
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Speaker 1: the animal, but the blade was not sharp enough to
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Speaker 1: have any impact. Well, finally the sheriff's deputies arrived. They
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Speaker 1: shot the animal twice before it would let go of
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Speaker 1: the baby. Straight out to John Limley, Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. At crime online dot com, you can
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Speaker 1: find this story and all other breaking crime injustice kneeds John,
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Speaker 1: what happened with baby Trinity? I just don't get it.
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Speaker 1: The mom that we heard there, the young mother, Miranda
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Speaker 1: Harrold was playing outside with that one year old daughter, Trinity.
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Speaker 1: Trinity had just turned one back during this summer back
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Speaker 1: in July, also in the yard. As we've heard, their
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Speaker 1: family pet a six year old pit bull mix. No
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Speaker 1: one is certain what led the dog to attack, but
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Speaker 1: what is clear is that it was not going to
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Speaker 1: let go of the child on its own, and so distraught.
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Speaker 1: I am just so distraught about this. A lot of
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Speaker 1: you guys know my dog, fat Boy. He was first Nitro,
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Speaker 1: but then he fell asleep in the food bag one
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Speaker 1: night and his tummy got so big it just hung
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Speaker 1: over to one side, and I told him he was
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Speaker 1: a fat boy, and it's stuck fat Boy. They promised
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Speaker 1: me at the pound, excuse me and I will rescue uh,
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Speaker 1: that he was a Thoroughbred Dockson. Okay, he's not. I
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Speaker 1: think he's maybe Doberman from the neck up and Dockson
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Speaker 1: from the neck down. With you agree, Jackie, That's yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what he looks like. Well, when we take him
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Speaker 1: on a walk, he thinks he is a Doberman and
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Speaker 1: he starts fights with Rott Wilder's or whatever he sees.
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Speaker 1: And when in your My point is when in the
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Speaker 1: middle of this. You do things you may freeze, or
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Speaker 1: you do things that are completely ridiculous. The last time
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Speaker 1: he started a fight with two rottweilers, I went over
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Speaker 1: there and grabbed him from between the rottwellers he got
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Speaker 1: off his leash, that was his last walk in the neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: by the way, and pulled him out. I could if
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Speaker 1: they had been in my arm or my wrisk, that
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Speaker 1: would have been all she wrote, and the twins would
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Speaker 1: be raised without a mother right then and there. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've got to figure out that this whole dynamic of
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Speaker 1: why you would have a dog that would attack people.
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Speaker 1: To ask you, Wilcott, you're the juvenile judge, lawyer and
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Speaker 1: a dog and it's precious and it doesn't kill. Well,
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Speaker 1: temperament that it can be around kids. But unpredictable things
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Speaker 1: the breed of dog and the way the dog is
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Speaker 1: raised and whether or not there's aggressive tendency or they're
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Speaker 1: allowed to act aggressively, because if so, they're going to
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Speaker 1: act aggressively with a child. In this case, she the
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Speaker 1: mom begged a dispatch her to hurry up, hurry up
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Speaker 1: and send help. It was for nine minutes, John Linley
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Speaker 1: to Joseph's got Morgan, Is that a tiny bit too long?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to blame the SHAREFFUS for
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Speaker 1: what happened, but that's kind of a long time to
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Speaker 1: beg for help. Yeah, it kind of is, Nancy, But again,
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Speaker 1: we have to consider I don't know how isolated this
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Speaker 1: family is relative to where what the response time would
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Speaker 1: be and where they would be coming from this sort
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Speaker 1: of thing. So that's certainly something to take into consideration.
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Speaker 1: But nine minutes, Uh, that's that's a moment. That's a moment,
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Speaker 1: Tom that uh, you know, this child just languished there
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Speaker 1: and eventually got I wonder if fire rescue could have
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Speaker 1: gotten there earlier, because I grew up in a very
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Speaker 1: rural area and calling police that would have been a
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Speaker 1: twenty five minute drive for them going nine mph. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, and and and lots of times. What will
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Speaker 1: happen is that fire rescue and the police will simultaneously
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Speaker 1: be activated. So as their rural, you're gonna send you know,
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Speaker 1: there might just be a volunteer fire department in that area,
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Speaker 1: so you never know, you know. The mom says she
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Speaker 1: was hitting the dog in the head and it would
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Speaker 1: not let go of the baby. Let's listen to what
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Speaker 1: we can learn from that nine one one call. Can
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Speaker 1: you get hold of anything and so will anyhow hitting
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Speaker 1: with it? If you're getting hard enough, you're knocking my
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Speaker 1: own find something and hitting with it. Can you run
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Speaker 1: in the house and got stay night and something. I
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Speaker 1: can't leave that out here. It'll take you thirty seconds
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Speaker 1: to run on, look and grab I need somebody, ma'am.
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Speaker 1: I need you to go find a nice immediately. I
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Speaker 1: can grab him one here and go along the bottom
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Speaker 1: of the neck. He's gonna let go. It's gonna release
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Speaker 1: his dog muscle. People have a choice. Cut legat somebody. Now.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's around to you as fast as they can get there.
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Speaker 1: I need you to do anything you can do with
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Speaker 1: that to make that dog let go. The dog's life
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Speaker 1: is not confirmed any of the form, but trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out what if anything she could have done. Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now is animal rights advocate and veteran trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer Penny Douglas fur out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Penny,
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Speaker 1: let me just frame this the first time I ever
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Speaker 1: delivered some legal documents and research to Penny Douglas fur.
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Speaker 1: Let's see. I think it was one night we had
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Speaker 1: an h LN show and I wanted to give you something.
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Speaker 1: I can't even remember what I was delivering. I went
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Speaker 1: to your front door. I actually jumped back because when
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Speaker 1: I rang the doorbell, the door was attacked by five rottweilers.
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Speaker 1: I think it was five. All I could see was
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Speaker 1: like saliva dripping from their fangs. Then I found out
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Speaker 1: one was named pretty Girl. Okay, so I think I
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Speaker 1: know where you're coming from. You let them sleep with you,
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Speaker 1: you give them peanut butter bombs for treats. I'll just
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Speaker 1: leave it there, Penny Douglas for I guess you're gonna
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Speaker 1: say it's not the dog's vault. Well know what I
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Speaker 1: was waiting for. The nine one one just operator to
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Speaker 1: say is kick him in the testicles. He'll drop anything.
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Speaker 1: If you'd just gone behind him and kicked him in
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Speaker 1: the testicles, he would have let that baby go. And
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Speaker 1: another thing, Nancy, this dog is not a pit bull.
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Speaker 1: And there's the problem now, because they have these backyard breeders,
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Speaker 1: which we need to get rid of. And they tried
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Speaker 1: to breed these dogs that have pit in them, but
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Speaker 1: they're bigger and more powerful. From the pictures I've seen,
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Speaker 1: this is not a pit bull. This is one of
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Speaker 1: those bigger, more aggressive dogs. And let me ask you
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Speaker 1: a question, Penny Douglas, for not to confuse anyone with
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Speaker 1: the facts, but do you have any sintilla of evidence
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Speaker 1: to suggest this is not a pit bull? Because the
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Speaker 1: police and journalists and the family all say it's a
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Speaker 1: pit bull, you are the only one that says it's
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Speaker 1: not a pit bull. Now they said it's a pit
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Speaker 1: bull mix. They didn't say it, So your defense says
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Speaker 1: it's not a thoroughbred pit ball. Okay. Them line is, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you cannot leave these animals with little children. And what
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Speaker 1: these backyard breeders do, which a genuine good breeder would
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Speaker 1: never do, is if they get a male and a
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Speaker 1: female who are both very aggressive, a good breeder would
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Speaker 1: immediately nooter and spay those dogs because they do not
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Speaker 1: want that in their bloodline. So if they get a
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Speaker 1: dog that's crazy and aggressive, they fixed the dog. If
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Speaker 1: you have one of these backyard dog fighting breeders, when
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Speaker 1: they see aggressive dogs, they immediately made them to hope
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Speaker 1: they get puppies that are more aggressive, and that has
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Speaker 1: to be stocked. You know, Penny, I hear you making
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Speaker 1: the very fine distinction that it wasn't a thoroughbred pit bull,
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Speaker 1: but even you not on the scene must admit it
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Speaker 1: was a pit ball mix at the very least. Let's
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Speaker 1: Rules and restrictions do apply. The Davis family was home
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Speaker 1: at the time one year old Trinity Herald was attacked
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Speaker 1: by a dog. Sean Davis tells us he couldn't quite
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Speaker 1: figure out where the screams were coming from. A baby
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Speaker 1: crabb all through time and not at the fourth time.
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Speaker 1: One year old Trinity Harold died after fighting for her
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Speaker 1: life at UNC Children's Hospital. The child was attacked by
22:36
Speaker 1: the family six year old piple a week ago. The
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Speaker 1: Edgecom County Sheriff's Office responded shooting the dog so it
22:42
Speaker 1: would release baby Trinity. They shouted out like three times
22:46
Speaker 1: and then when I got over there to the fence,
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Speaker 1: the police and everyone will run into the bag and
22:51
Speaker 1: then about the baby out on the mulance and everybody
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Speaker 1: was crying. Oh my stars, that hurts me to even
22:56
Speaker 1: hear it. That's our friend at w r A LTV
22:59
Speaker 1: case the Cunningham interviewing neighbors of Trinity Harold. That was
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Speaker 1: Sean Davis and others. Senia Horne describing the scene what
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Speaker 1: happened when the baby was mauled dead to Dr Daniel Bober,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist, Well, you know, Dr Boba, before I go
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Speaker 1: to you, John Linley, for those just joining us here,
23:18
Speaker 1: at crime stories. Give me a recap about what happened
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Speaker 1: to the baby. The mother, Miranda Harold, her daughter Trinity,
23:24
Speaker 1: that's the toddler who had just turned one, were in
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Speaker 1: the backyard playing with a six year old pit bull mix,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, from the mother's account, the
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Speaker 1: dog lunges and grabs the daughter with its with its jaws,
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Speaker 1: and no matter what the mother did, even after being
23:43
Speaker 1: guided by a operator to go through various steps to
23:47
Speaker 1: get the dog to let go, nothing will do the
23:51
Speaker 1: trick until a deputy arrives and shoots the dog. You
23:54
Speaker 1: know one thing, have you heard of a break stick?
23:57
Speaker 1: A break stick is a device inserted into the mouth
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Speaker 1: of a fi pit bull behind the mull ors to
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Speaker 1: make them release their grip on another dog. Now here's
24:08
Speaker 1: the thing. Why would you even want a pit that
24:11
Speaker 1: you have to stick something in its mouth to make
24:13
Speaker 1: it let go of another dog or a baby? To
24:16
Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober joining me forensic psychiatrists, now, pit bulls
24:20
Speaker 1: and rottweilers are associated with crime. They're associated with crime
24:25
Speaker 1: because dopers, drug lords, thugs of all sorts have them
24:30
Speaker 1: and are frequently seen with them. That's a bad look.
24:34
Speaker 1: Dr Bobera. Why would a regular family have a dog
24:37
Speaker 1: whose reputation is for violence? Nancy, This is this is
24:41
Speaker 1: a no brainer. In two thousand nine, the Children's Hospital
24:43
Speaker 1: of Philadelphia did his study and looking at dog bite injuries.
24:46
Speaker 1: They look at over thirty breeds and what they found
24:49
Speaker 1: was that over half of those injuries we're from pit bulls,
24:54
Speaker 1: and then nine percent were from Rottweilers, and then six
24:56
Speaker 1: percent were from a breed of a pit bull and
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Speaker 1: the roight waterer. So the pitfalls are responsible for an
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Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of these injuries. And they are an aggressive breed.
25:06
Speaker 1: And you you know, as Ashley said, dogs are unpredictable anyway,
25:11
Speaker 1: but when you have an aggressive breed like this, you're
25:13
Speaker 1: just asking for trouble. I believe it was in the
25:16
Speaker 1: Journal of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery and he done with
25:18
Speaker 1: us for our animal rights advocate and lawyer go ahead.
25:21
Speaker 1: It is very true that with a lot of these
25:24
Speaker 1: large breeds, they don't bite any more than your little
25:28
Speaker 1: dobe what dobe dogs that you have, but when they
25:32
Speaker 1: do bite, they can cause a lot more damage dogs
25:36
Speaker 1: and I would and so they're no different than he is.
25:41
Speaker 1: But because they're big, powerful, hasn't killed anybody, hasn't killed anybody.
25:48
Speaker 1: They're big and strong, they can cause a lot more damage.
25:53
Speaker 1: So I speak to people who were getting roy Wallers,
25:56
Speaker 1: who were getting any of these very large breeds, that
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Speaker 1: they have to be guarded and they have to protect
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Speaker 1: their dogs. They have to protect the public, they have
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Speaker 1: to protect their children. They have to be extremely careful
26:11
Speaker 1: if they want one of these breeds of dogs. And
26:13
Speaker 1: would you why do you want to live like that?
26:15
Speaker 1: Why do you have to why would you want to
26:17
Speaker 1: worry about that all the time? Is a lot of
26:19
Speaker 1: people dogs. I love big dogs, and but I'm very
26:23
Speaker 1: careful with mine. Might have never heard anybody mine are
26:26
Speaker 1: very careful, Monita, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, whoa
26:29
Speaker 1: penny Douglas? Fur? Though you keep yours a lot in
26:32
Speaker 1: the house all day and then until you personally can
26:36
Speaker 1: take them out, they don't really have a chance to
26:39
Speaker 1: attack anybody. They don't and they never will because I'm
26:42
Speaker 1: protecting the public and I'm protecting my dogs, and that
26:47
Speaker 1: will never happen with my dogs. Well, I'm glad you are,
26:50
Speaker 1: but not the the whole world doesn't know the realities.
26:54
Speaker 1: Um what happens when you have a dog like this
26:57
Speaker 1: just got Morgan explain to me what happened to baby
27:00
Speaker 1: Trinity exactly. Joe Scott Morgan is a professor of forensics
27:04
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, a longtime death investigator, author of
27:09
Speaker 1: a brand new book, Blood Beneath My Feet, which is
27:12
Speaker 1: available on Amazon dot com. Joe Scott helped me out. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: My My thought is, Nancy, is that this child sustained
27:19
Speaker 1: severe crushing injuries. The fact that the child lingered as
27:23
Speaker 1: long as long as as as she did is is,
27:28
Speaker 1: you know, is a is a miracle in and of itself.
27:30
Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things here that
27:33
Speaker 1: you have to think about is that when these dogs engage, uh,
27:38
Speaker 1: the target that they're after. Uh. The reason this woman
27:42
Speaker 1: is having a difficult time getting this child, getting this
27:45
Speaker 1: dog to disengage from this child is that the strength
27:48
Speaker 1: of these jaws, it's it's very prohibitive, uh to be
27:52
Speaker 1: able to get them to turn loose. This isn't a
27:54
Speaker 1: light little nip or something like that. They're going for blood.
27:57
Speaker 1: At this moment time. They perceived this child to be
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Speaker 1: a threat, and maybe the child pinched the dog in
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Speaker 1: some way initiated this this is a one year old child.
28:06
Speaker 1: God only knows. We have many parents in the air
28:08
Speaker 1: with us right now. God only knows what a one
28:11
Speaker 1: year old child might do to a dog to frighten
28:13
Speaker 1: the dog. And if the dog is already at a
28:14
Speaker 1: heightened state of alert has a proclivity for biting that
28:18
Speaker 1: sort of thing, the child is going to clamp down.
28:20
Speaker 1: I would like to hear what Penny would have to
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Speaker 1: say relative to how many footpounds of pressure the jaws
28:26
Speaker 1: of this dog can exhibit, because um, you know you
28:29
Speaker 1: can't get this this and and the child, the child itself,
28:32
Speaker 1: one year old, Nancy, one year old, this, this child
28:35
Speaker 1: is not fully you know, the bones are not completely
28:37
Speaker 1: ossified at this point moment time either. So structurally the
28:41
Speaker 1: child is going to be very, very vulnerable. Guys, we
28:43
Speaker 1: are talking about a beautiful baby girl, one year old,
28:48
Speaker 1: her mother out in the front yard with her playing.
28:51
Speaker 1: The family dog is there. Suddenly the dog attacks John Linley.
28:56
Speaker 1: Very often you will hear people say, oh, it's not
28:59
Speaker 1: the dog's fault. The child did X, Y or Z,
29:01
Speaker 1: threw a rock, pulled its hair. This that there is
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Speaker 1: no but when it comes to blaming a one year
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Speaker 1: old child, John Linley, has there been any suggestion that
29:13
Speaker 1: it was quote, the child's fault. We have no insight
29:16
Speaker 1: into exactly what was happening other than the fact that
29:20
Speaker 1: the mom and the child were playing in the backyard
29:22
Speaker 1: and the dog was nearby. That's all we know as
29:26
Speaker 1: far as the moments leading up to the attack. Tell
29:28
Speaker 1: me more about what you know about the family, about
29:31
Speaker 1: the home, Had there been any other incidents of violence,
29:34
Speaker 1: any any problem within that home that we don't know about.
29:38
Speaker 1: The last report we had from Edgecomb County Deputies, and
29:42
Speaker 1: this was one of the initial press conferences, was that
29:45
Speaker 1: they were going back to review their records when it
29:49
Speaker 1: came to uh the dog and any child's safety issues.
29:53
Speaker 1: They have yet to report back on those findings, if
29:57
Speaker 1: there were any. We are talking about a beautiful little
30:00
Speaker 1: Earle now dead after her family pet attacks and kills her,
30:04
Speaker 1: with the mob standing by screaming calling nine one one.
30:08
Speaker 1: But our friend Jim Ray and Inside Edition is spoken
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Speaker 1: with one of the world's top leading vets that how's
30:14
Speaker 1: the suggestion listen if little Trinity was rushed to the
30:17
Speaker 1: hospital but didn't make it. Veterinarian Brett Levitsky says there's
30:21
Speaker 1: a way to stop a dog attack that not many
30:23
Speaker 1: people know about. If you pick them up by the
30:25
Speaker 1: hind legs, they're all balanced. Their first reaction maybe to
30:28
Speaker 1: let go and then turn around. I've never heard that.
30:31
Speaker 1: I did not know that. To Penny Douglas for our
30:34
Speaker 1: animal rights advocate and Atlante trial lawyer, Penny, I didn't
30:37
Speaker 1: know that you picked them up by the hind legs.
30:39
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. Oh absolutely, That's why I said
30:43
Speaker 1: kicking in the testicles. They protect that area and if
30:46
Speaker 1: you're going for that area, they will immediately turn to
30:49
Speaker 1: see what's going on and they will let go. So
30:52
Speaker 1: that's a very good way to get them to logo.
30:54
Speaker 1: To Ashley Willcott, Atlanta juvenile judge, lawyer and founder of
30:59
Speaker 1: child I'm watch dot com. Ashley, I'm gonna put it
31:03
Speaker 1: out there. Uh, nobody wants to touch it with a
31:05
Speaker 1: tin foot pole. And I'm not saying yes or no.
31:09
Speaker 1: But where does this leave the parents when you have
31:12
Speaker 1: a dangerous dog around your children and the dog attacks,
31:16
Speaker 1: so you know legally first bite tree. I hate that expression,
31:19
Speaker 1: but what it means is if you have a dog
31:22
Speaker 1: who bites legally, you may not be responsible or liable
31:24
Speaker 1: or criminally liable. But if it happens again, if there's
31:27
Speaker 1: been an aggressive incident where the dog has bitten someone
31:30
Speaker 1: and it happens again, then I think these parents could
31:33
Speaker 1: be subject to civil and criminal liability for allowing this
31:37
Speaker 1: child to excuse me, this dog to live and maul
31:40
Speaker 1: the child to death. And do you, John Limy, Crime
31:42
Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, That's what I was getting at.
31:46
Speaker 1: Whether there had been previous complaints about the dog within
31:50
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, within other around other children, or really at all,
31:55
Speaker 1: because that is the status of the law, John Limley
31:58
Speaker 1: in many states one bite free. In other words, the
32:01
Speaker 1: owners may not know the dog has a propensity to bite,
32:04
Speaker 1: but then once it does buy it's on the owner.
32:07
Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. In fact, that one of the press conferences,
32:11
Speaker 1: one of the reporters there uh point blank asked the
32:14
Speaker 1: sheriff there in Edgecombe County uh if there were charges pending,
32:19
Speaker 1: if there was any history of of trouble with the dog,
32:24
Speaker 1: if one had ever been called from that residence before
32:28
Speaker 1: concerning the dog the child both, And he said that
32:32
Speaker 1: they were investigating that, and they have yet to come
32:35
Speaker 1: back with word on that what happened to the family dog.
32:39
Speaker 1: After the one call was placed, it was about nine
32:42
Speaker 1: ten minutes before deputy has arrived, and one of the
32:45
Speaker 1: first detectives to arrive was not even on call at
32:50
Speaker 1: the moment. He had just heard the dispatch and was
32:54
Speaker 1: not far away and he was able to arrive there.
32:58
Speaker 1: First he saw that the dog was shaking, uh the
33:03
Speaker 1: little child like a baby doll, and he didn't think
33:06
Speaker 1: twice he got out his gun and it took two shots,
33:10
Speaker 1: but was able to kill the dog. You know, to
33:12
Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist Dr Daniel Bober, what is it on another
33:17
Speaker 1: note amongst criminals that I think it looks cool to
33:21
Speaker 1: have Rottweilers and pit bulls all around them. What is
33:25
Speaker 1: that thinking? I think it's an image, Nancy, right. I
33:27
Speaker 1: think they want to be feared, they want to be admired,
33:30
Speaker 1: they want to be the bad boy, and I think
33:32
Speaker 1: that the dog just completes the whole picture. And then
33:35
Speaker 1: that leads me to the next question to Ashley Wilcott
33:38
Speaker 1: found her child crimewatch dot com. When a dog, I
33:42
Speaker 1: know this sounds crazy, but a dog breed has a
33:45
Speaker 1: reputation to be the chosen dog for thugs and criminals
33:50
Speaker 1: and dopers. Why would you want that around your child? Yeah,
33:53
Speaker 1: and here's the problem. A lot of the reasons that
33:55
Speaker 1: those criminals have those dogs is those dogs can are
33:58
Speaker 1: huge dogs, powerful dog can be trained to be very aggressive,
34:03
Speaker 1: and so a lot of people have them, quite frankly,
34:05
Speaker 1: as protection, to protect their things and because people are
34:09
Speaker 1: scared of them for a reason. So if you're gonna
34:11
Speaker 1: have one of those dogs, you sure as heck better
34:14
Speaker 1: not adopted because you don't know how they've been trained,
34:17
Speaker 1: and you sure as heck better have professional help training
34:20
Speaker 1: one of those dogs to ensure they're not aggressive. I
34:22
Speaker 1: wouldn't have one of those dogs at all because of
34:24
Speaker 1: the aggressive nature. But that's just me. I want to
34:26
Speaker 1: make it very clear. The mother and the father in
34:29
Speaker 1: this scenario are not criminals at all. They're loving parents
34:34
Speaker 1: and their baby Trinity was the joy of their life.
34:38
Speaker 1: Why they get a pit bull, I don't know. Maybe
34:40
Speaker 1: they didn't know it had a reputation for violence. Maybe
34:43
Speaker 1: they got it for that reputation, to protect the baby
34:47
Speaker 1: or to protect the home. But again, this is not
34:51
Speaker 1: the parents fault. In fact, the mother risked her own
34:54
Speaker 1: life and jumped in and tried to stab the dogs.
34:58
Speaker 1: She didn't stand back and oh no, somebody helped me.
35:01
Speaker 1: She begged for help. That she went and she got
35:03
Speaker 1: a knife, and she tried to kill the dog herself.
35:07
Speaker 1: She put her own life in jeopardy to try to
35:10
Speaker 1: save her save her little one year old child. Penny
35:14
Speaker 1: Douglas for her emial rights advocate Atlantel lawyer something else.
35:18
Speaker 1: She said how she will cut very interesting. Don't get
35:21
Speaker 1: a dog of this breed that may have been mistreated
35:25
Speaker 1: by others, because you don't know how it's going to
35:27
Speaker 1: react after it's been mistreated. Nancy, I have a very
35:32
Speaker 1: good dog trainer, and if I have a Rottweiler or
35:36
Speaker 1: a pit I would send the dog to Mr. Story.
35:40
Speaker 1: His name is Mark's Story. He also works with police departments.
35:44
Speaker 1: And I say, Mark, if there's a problem with this dog,
35:47
Speaker 1: you tell me and we'll use the Knight as the dog.
35:50
Speaker 1: I will have Mark worked with the dog for a
35:52
Speaker 1: few weeks, and if he says it's a great dog,
35:54
Speaker 1: it's fine, then then it would go to the family.
35:57
Speaker 1: As I've write it now, Penny Douglas, for no charges
36:01
Speaker 1: have been filed. I'm gonna circle back to that. My
36:04
Speaker 1: question do you, Penny, is do you believe that we
36:08
Speaker 1: or many people have an undeserved fear of this breed.
36:14
Speaker 1: I think that you're looking at that You have to
36:17
Speaker 1: look at the dog individually and not just at the breed.
36:21
Speaker 1: I think the reason this dog has gotten this reputation
36:24
Speaker 1: is because we have dangerous breeders who are breeding aggressive
36:29
Speaker 1: dogs to aggressive dogs. Then you get more. I don't
36:32
Speaker 1: think there's a problem with a pit bull. That's a
36:34
Speaker 1: treat pit bull, as she will caught. You're a dog lover.
36:38
Speaker 1: There's a reputation for a reason. Actually, there is a
36:41
Speaker 1: reputation for a reason, and I think that those dogs
36:44
Speaker 1: can be trained to be very aggressive in the aggressive
36:47
Speaker 1: aggressive tendencies can be encouraged or promoted by the owner,
36:51
Speaker 1: and that's what's happened, and so they have this reputation
36:53
Speaker 1: because they can be that way depending on how they're treating.
36:57
Speaker 1: Authorities have confirmed Little Trinity did pass away. She was
37:01
Speaker 1: at UNC Children's Hospital in Chapel Hill. The little girl
37:05
Speaker 1: was attacked when Edgecombe County Deputy say that the mommy Miranda,
37:10
Speaker 1: and her daughter were playing on the back porch uh
37:13
Speaker 1: there their Highway forty three home and Suddenly, the six
37:16
Speaker 1: year old pit bull mix attacked Trinity. The mom risked
37:24
Speaker 1: her own life trying to jump into the fray and
37:27
Speaker 1: stop the attack, even trying to stab the dog. Now
37:32
Speaker 1: there was a sheriff Klee. Atkinson said when the first
37:34
Speaker 1: deputies arrived, the dog was shaking the baby like it
37:39
Speaker 1: was she was a baby doll, back and forth to
37:43
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics at Jacksonville
37:46
Speaker 1: State Joe scot what were the injuries to Trinity? The
37:51
Speaker 1: injuries were crushing injuries. Uh, Nancy, And you know when
37:55
Speaker 1: you you hear about how they really highlighted a second
37:59
Speaker 1: ago how the baby was being thrashed about. Essentially, Uh,
38:03
Speaker 1: this is the way, uh primintily that a an animal
38:07
Speaker 1: like this would kill something, say, small vermin, this sort
38:10
Speaker 1: of thing kind of shake it to death. Um. And
38:13
Speaker 1: and that's what's going on with It's it's replicating this
38:17
Speaker 1: this uh, this this behavior by shaking this child. So
38:20
Speaker 1: you'd have the crushing injuries. Uh, and that's gonna be
38:23
Speaker 1: compounded with severe head injuries as well. Uh, this kind
38:27
Speaker 1: of concussive event that's going on. Um, it's it's a
38:31
Speaker 1: very sad, tragic way. Uh. For this this family to
38:35
Speaker 1: have to live with this for the rest of their lives,
38:38
Speaker 1: this mom and dad and all of the friends that
38:40
Speaker 1: we've heard from on the air today, I think that,
38:43
Speaker 1: you know, coming away from this, uh, I view dogs
38:47
Speaker 1: in in a in a kind of a different way.
38:49
Speaker 1: I'm i'm, i'm I love firearms, that sort of thing,
38:52
Speaker 1: but I have a lot of respect for firearms, and
38:55
Speaker 1: I assume that every single weapon that I come across
38:58
Speaker 1: is in fact loaded with this particular breed of dogs.
39:02
Speaker 1: They are bred for a specific reason, and you really
39:05
Speaker 1: have to look at that when you're gonna have them
39:07
Speaker 1: around small children. My assumption is working. Assumption is always
39:11
Speaker 1: that there's a potential and they could do great harm,
39:14
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, in this case, they did to this little
39:16
Speaker 1: No charges are penning against this family who are suffering
39:19
Speaker 1: so so much. On Monday morning, November and approximately six am,
39:26
Speaker 1: at Rosewood Mobile Home Park located at thirty five twenty
39:29
Speaker 1: five he Losable Town Road, Lot thirty nine, a witness
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Speaker 1: saw a male suckdressed in all black and we're in
39:37
Speaker 1: a yelled Bandanna approached Miss Hannah Noella agailor a thirteen
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Speaker 1: and forced her into a green two thousand and two
39:47
Speaker 1: Ford expedition, and he distubbed a vehicle and throw over
39:50
Speaker 1: way with Miss Angler in the vehicle. Miss Angler has
39:55
Speaker 1: been waiting on families to come out of the resident
39:58
Speaker 1: to take her to school at the Lumberton Junior High School,
40:02
Speaker 1: where she is in the eighth grade. Every parent's worst
40:06
Speaker 1: a nightmare has come true in North Carolina as the
40:10
Speaker 1: FBI joins in the desperate search for a little girl
40:14
Speaker 1: kidnapped outside her home by a man wearing a bandana.
40:19
Speaker 1: Witnesses saw her being forced into the back of an
40:23
Speaker 1: s u V. Right now, the family in anguish. Please
40:29
Speaker 1: help us find Hania I Meancy Grace. This is crime stories.
40:34
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. This is happening now
40:37
Speaker 1: take a listen to Lumberton Police Chief Michael McNeil. The
40:41
Speaker 1: suspect then drove the two thousand and two for the
40:43
Speaker 1: expedition bearing the tag South Carolina tag nor William Sam
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Speaker 1: four out of the neighborhood and was last seen turning
40:54
Speaker 1: left onto the Elizabethtown Room. At this time, the investigators
40:58
Speaker 1: are an interviewing witnesses, family and friends, as well as
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Speaker 1: conducting a door to door canvas in the neighborhood and
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Speaker 1: check in area of surveillances to find out any information
41:11
Speaker 1: with ten as you hear the police chief telling us
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Speaker 1: Hanya was fortune to a stolen green two thousand to
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Speaker 1: suv with South Carolina license plate in Nancy W West
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Speaker 1: s South nine eight four in w S nine eight four.
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Speaker 1: To all of you on the roads right now, we
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Speaker 1: are looking for a stolen green two thousand two suv
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Speaker 1: with South Carolina license plates in Nancy, W West s
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Speaker 1: South nine eight four. As we all know, every hour
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Speaker 1: that passes makes it less likely Hanya will be found alive.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to crime online dot Com investigate reporter John Limley, John,
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Speaker 1: what happened? Start at the beginning, otherwise and unremarkable morning
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Speaker 1: for this family. Eighth grader Hanya Aguilar. It's just before
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Speaker 1: seven o'clock, about sixty five, and it appears she might
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Speaker 1: have been right there right there. Vincent Hill, cop turned
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Speaker 1: p I, author of playbook to Murder on Amazon, creator
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Speaker 1: podcast Fall of a Titan. Vincent Hill, you're the former cop.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't expect a kidnapping at seven
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Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Well, Nancy, you and I both
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Speaker 1: know that there's no perfect time for a crime. Anything
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Speaker 1: can happen at any time, and when you're looking for
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Speaker 1: a young, vulnerable victim, that's the perfect time to go
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Speaker 1: out and do this, because you know, these young people
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Speaker 1: are getting ready to go to school. So I think
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Speaker 1: this person was lying in wait to do exactly what
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Speaker 1: they did, you know. Vincent Hill joining me along with
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer and host of investigation
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Speaker 1: Discoveries hit series Fatal Vows. Kathleen Murphy, renown North Carolina
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Speaker 1: family lawyer John Limley reporting with Crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Jackie Howard in the studio. Alan Duke joining me in
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Speaker 1: l A. You know, Alan, you and I Jackie, we've
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Speaker 1: all gotten children ready for school. It's a mad dash
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Speaker 1: every morning, no matter how much you plan it out.
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Speaker 1: How often have I sent the twins to go get
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Speaker 1: in the minivan While I'm finishing up and locking the
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Speaker 1: door and getting their jackets or whatever I have to
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Speaker 1: take to the car. They send this little girl out.
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Speaker 1: They're coming to get her. She's waiting for them to
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Speaker 1: come take her to school, and this suv just happens
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Speaker 1: to pull up right then. Dr Brian Russell seven o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the morning. Uh in Oh, that guy knew her schedule.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you, as somebody in that community. Brian Russell
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Speaker 1: not only did her schedule, but statistically, it is much
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Speaker 1: more likely that the person had known or at least
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Speaker 1: had some kind of prior contact with her, than that
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Speaker 1: the person was just sort of looking for any random
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Speaker 1: girl and happy to see her and thought, Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna abduct this girl. I'm with you on that. I agree,
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell. Kathleen Murphy, family lawyer, I know where
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Speaker 1: your mind races immediately custodial issues. Is there a non
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Speaker 1: custodial parent that would come take the child? The answer
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Speaker 1: to that, Kathleen Murphy, because you've dealt with it so
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Speaker 1: many times, is no. This is an unknown male wearing
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Speaker 1: a bandana and a stolen green two thousand two suv
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Speaker 1: with South Carolina plates. Kathleen Murphy, what now, Nancy. I
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Speaker 1: think that this child was absolutely stoked and kidnapped. I
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Speaker 1: don't pick up. I think that it was a plan
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Speaker 1: to pick up, which leads me to believe that maybe
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Speaker 1: she had contact on the internet with one figure and
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Speaker 1: the minor child is on the Internet and may have
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Speaker 1: gotten into some trouble. We're learning a little bit more
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Speaker 1: as the minute tick talk. We know nothing right now
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Speaker 1: about any connection on the Internet at all, but Kathleen
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Speaker 1: is right. Police will be looking through any and all
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Speaker 1: social media. We know that the family sent the little
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Speaker 1: girl out to start a relatives suv to go to school.
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Speaker 1: Here's more, we're learning more about the vehicle. Everybody, Uh,
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Speaker 1: we're we're learning that it is a Green Forward Expedition,
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Speaker 1: Green Forward Expedition with South Carolina license plate in Nancy,
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Speaker 1: W West as south nine eight for a Green Forward Expedition.
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Speaker 1: The FBI on the case. Back to John Linley, Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, John, what more can you
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Speaker 1: tell us in the search for this little girl? There's
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Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollar reward tipline zero two seven to
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Speaker 1: five eight seven one nine zero two seven to five
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Speaker 1: eight seven one or nine zero six seven one three
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Speaker 1: eight four five repeat zero six seven one three eight
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Speaker 1: four five, John Limley, what more do we know? Well,
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Speaker 1: that vehicle we've been discussing, we're learning actually belonged to
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Speaker 1: the ant. That was the car that uh, the teenager
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Speaker 1: Hanya went out to start and It's interesting the way
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Speaker 1: this all unfolded. Uh Hanya was not actually sent outside.
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Speaker 1: It appears she might have been punching her aunt's buttons.
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Speaker 1: Her aunt was going to drive her to school, and
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Speaker 1: Hanya said, I'm gonna go start the car. She's at
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Speaker 1: that age where probably she's looking for Reginald. I can't
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Speaker 1: tell you something, John Lemley. My children actually like to
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Speaker 1: get to school early. So if I'm not running like
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Speaker 1: a any act to get them there early to do
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Speaker 1: their quote morning work, they will start riding me. MoMA.
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Speaker 1: I want to get there early. I want to get
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Speaker 1: there early. I could just see it going Okay, Auntie,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go out and start in the car. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm ahead of your five steps ahead of you. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: and the aunt kept saying no, no, just wait on me.
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Speaker 1: But Hanya, being a strong teenager, she grabbed the the
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Speaker 1: keys and went out and started the vehicle, her aunt's vehicle,
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Speaker 1: that green suv we've been talking about, And it's quite possible.
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Speaker 1: It appears that the perpetrator just came up on foot
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Speaker 1: and he actually pushed the team Uh into the passenger
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Speaker 1: side of the car and that's when he took off
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Speaker 1: and kidnapped her. Take a listen to our friend Morgan
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Speaker 1: Norwood at w t vd TV. This is senior FBI
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Speaker 1: agent Andy Della Rotcha. The FBI now says a neighbor
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Speaker 1: called nine one one once she saw any being forced
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Speaker 1: into that drug by a man wearing a yellow bandy Anna,
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Speaker 1: the girl's mother, not quite ready to talk to media today,
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Speaker 1: but during a press conference, the FBI shared this message
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Speaker 1: from her to her daughter and her kidnapper. I just
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Speaker 1: want my daughter back with me. I'm here waiting for you.
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Speaker 1: I love you and only care about you, and I
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Speaker 1: don't have anything against whoever did this to you. I
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Speaker 1: just want you back. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,
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Speaker 1: good bye, friend,