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How Can The Cowboys Become Relevant Again?, NFL Minicamp Holdouts, and Could We See The First 0-17 Team This Season? · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL takes
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welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast welcome to episode
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15 of two guys 4 balls we're missing Avery today, so he is
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sick he had to sit this one out he said he was still in the
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bathroom longer than expected so he.
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Got the spins. Not that you guys didn't know
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that, but just letting him know. So yeah, today we're down,
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Avery. So it's just Will and I, but we
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have some exciting news for you guys.
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All three of us are going to be at the Raiders Jaguars game in
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Las Vegas on November 2nd. So we'll be there.
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We're going to be signing some autographs, taking some pictures
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with Mark Davis's haircut. Important to note, none of us
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are Raiders or Jaguars fans. This is completely a game of
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opportunity. We happened to live kind of in
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the area. So here we go.
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Well, Avery, Avery happens to be on the West Coast during that
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time. And then we happened to look
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kind of in the area. Yeah, we were going to try and
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go to a Dallas game, which is the following week I believe,
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but Avery was already going to be there.
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So we're going to go see a Jaguars game.
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My first NFL game will be Raiders.
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Raiders, Jags. That's a winner.
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We need to make it our goal to see Mark Davis's haircut.
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I don't want that to be a goal, but I do like the opportunity.
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We have to make it happen if we're there.
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By that point of the season, I'm assuming the Jaguars will just
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turn in their season into a banana balls, banana ball type
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season. If you're unaware of the Serenna
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bananas go go come up. So I'm assuming it's going to be
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entirely comedic and full of fun, entertaining, sports
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adjacent things. I'm excited for it.
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I'm very. Excited.
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I'm super excited. Very excited.
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You've been to an NFL game before, right?
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I have been to 1 preseason game, 2018 Dallas VS Arizona.
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In Dallas I have a picture of Dak Prescott holding his fist up
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as if he's waving to me. He's not.
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He's actually waving to people behind me.
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But the angle of the photo, it looks like he's waving right to
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me. And I tell people he was waving
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to me. That was back when him and Zeke
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were actually considered good still.
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And so I it's a strong memory. They didn't lose the game.
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But it was a surprise trip that my wife took me out.
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I didn't even know we were going, didn't even know we were
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getting on an airplane until I was in the Portland area.
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I had fallen asleep and she just went driving and I had fallen
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asleep. And the next thing I know, I'm
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being woken up in the Portland area, like 10 minutes from the
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airport. Oh, by the way, we're getting on
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an airplane. We're going to we're going to
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Dallas. Oh, OK.
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So yeah, no, I, it was a fun time.
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I'm excited to see Allegiant Stadium.
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I think I'm not most excited for that.
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I'm excited to see the game. But to see a new NFL stadium, it
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is my goal. I really want to see an NFL game
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in every stadium. I think that would be really
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cool just to see the different variety of, of all the things.
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And so it'll be cool to check a second one off the list.
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Yeah, I'm super excited for it. So I guess it's going to be both
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of our first regular season games.
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Yes, it is. All right.
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And I believe Avery's been to a few games before, but he's not
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here, so he doesn't count. He doesn't count.
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All right, so today we're going to get started with our fan
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question from Jake Jones, who is Avery and I's former roommate in
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college. And yes, I'm continuing the
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trend of doxing. Supreme doxing that's
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lookupable. That's what we do on this show.
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If you have a fan question, you are getting doxed on this show.
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Oh, you're right. All right, so here's the
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question from Jake Jones. With morale for the Cowboys fans
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being at maybe an all time low, what does this team need that
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could improve morale and bring life back to Dallas?
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Why don't you start us off, Will?
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Thank you. Since I was 50% of the choices,
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I, I don't think actually morale's at an all time low.
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I think year 8 or 9 of Jason Garrett where we're going 8:00
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and 8:00 every single year. I think morale's at an all time
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low then when the team just was not getting better and it was
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consistent and they weren't doing anything about the
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coaching, they weren't doing anything about the players, it
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was just consistently bad for like 8 or 9 years in a row.
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I think morale was lower then than now.
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And maybe I'm just not as in tune with the Dallas wire stuff
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as I should be, especially being a Dallas fan because I like to
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be ignorant about it. I don't.
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I don't like to hear I'm a big enough Dumer.
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And we all know I'm the Hager on this show.
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I'm a big enough doomer as is. I don't need everybody else
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bringing me down. But they could have started by
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hiring literally anybody else as their coach.
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Now we can't. We can't do that now.
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But we've got we've got Schottenheimer, right?
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Ryan Schottenheimer, head coach. Yeah.
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Boring head coach. They could possibly went with
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they have. They have not picked such a
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coach since Jason Garrett, which I get was 2 coaches ago.
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It's not like we're talking generations ago, but they could
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have they could have picked anybody else and actually made a
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made an effort to get a decent coach and decent coach.
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We don't know anything about Brian Schottenheimer's head
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coaching yet. We don't know anything about him
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yet. So I'm I'm making all this out
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of pure assumptions, but we could have got an exciting coach
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that's going to do something. The problem is that Jerry keeps
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picking yes men who are just going to do whatever Jerry
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wants. And so that's the other thing
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that could change morale is if Jerry, he doesn't have to retire
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from owning the team because that would be death.
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And I'm not wishing out upon Jerry Jones, but if he would
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step back his GM and let somebody else make player
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decisions and personnel decisions, I think that would be
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incredibly beneficial and that would that would boost morale a
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lot as if somebody else had actual say in the team.
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I agree. I think Jerry needs to step
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down, which we all know he's not going to, you know?
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A little bit. Unfortunately, it is going to
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take him dying for that to change.
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I actually went with a different approach.
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That is still Jerry's fault, but it's something that has to do
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with players on the field. I looked at the Cowboys playoff
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wins since their last Super Bowl victory in 1995.
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So they've played in 18 total games total playoff games since
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then. In those eighteen playoff games,
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they are O and 10 when they give up 100 yards rushing or more,
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and they're five and three when they don't.
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So what I personally think Dallas needs to do to bring life
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back to Dallas is get a dominant interior defensive player that
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they have not had in years. Let's look at the last four
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Super Bowl winners. You've got the Eagles, Chiefs,
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Chiefs and Rams. They all have dominant defensive
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interior players or had because Aaron Donald isn't playing
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anymore. So the Chiefs had Chris Jones,
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the Rams had Aaron Donald, and the Eagles had Jaylen Carter,
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who dominated last season. Yeah, I just think that Jerry
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needs to address the interior of that defensive line and I know
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he's technically addressed it by drafting some big lineman who
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were like late round picks and they also drafted Mozzie Smith.
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He hasn't panned out and I feel like most people thought he
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wouldn't pan out and then Jerry just drafted him anyway.
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There's been no like he hasn't made a move to draft any Aaron
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Donald type player and I know that's asking a lot because he's
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a Hall of Famer. You could say he's probably the
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best defensive tackle of all time.
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Honestly, even if Jerry doesn't get the best defensive tackle of
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all time, he needs somebody who is going to be an interior
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presence on the defensive line when it counts in the playoffs.
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Because there's been years where the Dallas Cowboys are top ten
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in run defense in the regular season.
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There's been several times that they've done that, but then they
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get into the playoffs and it doesn't matter.
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In I think it was 2018, they went and they won a playoff
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game. Then they played the Rams in
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their second game. They gave up like 253 rushing
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yards. Then there's a couple times when
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they played the 49ers. The 49ers just ran all over him
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in the playoffs. Then there's two years ago when
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the Packers, Packers, yeah, the Packers ran for.
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It was well over 100 yards in that game.
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It's like a billion. It felt like I watched that
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game. So what the Cowboys need to do
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is find some way to get a dominant defensive interior
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presence to actually make a difference on that defensive
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line when it counts in the playoffs to stop the run.
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Yeah, I I can't agree more, honestly.
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I think it's a really good point.
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I think they tried to do with their linebackers for years with
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Sean Lee and Jalen Smith and well, now Micah Parsons, who's
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not an interior linebacker, but they're trying to have dominant
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middle linebackers for years now.
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And it's just not the same. It's not the same when you've
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got your line back in court strongly to defensive line week
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and if their offensive line is getting the second level,
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they're just going to run all over you.
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And that's that can't happen. Exactly.
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Now shout out again to Jay Jones for the question.
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Hopefully Jerry Jones can make a move for a interior defensive
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presence, but we all know he's not going to, so not.
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Even. Fortunately, unfortunately,
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Jake, the disappointment will go on for several more years.
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Man, history, says Nathan. We're looking at probably 4
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years of Schottenheimer. Even if he goes 2 and 15 in
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three years and they'll go, you know what, one more year.
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We'll just give him what it's his team now, one more year.
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We'll have four years minimum here.
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We just need to buckle up for another another run of nine and
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eight at best. Jerry.
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Jerry will always find an excuse if it's.
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Yeah. Oh, somebody was injured.
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Somebody was. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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Dak Press got got hurt so you were going to give you a pass in
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your first season and then all he has to do after his first
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season is go 9 and 8, even 8-9 and Jerry would consider that
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good enough to keep his job. How many could be anybody if CD
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Lamb gets hurt, and I hope none of these guys do get hurt.
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But if CD Lamb gets hurt, Oh well, you're your best player on
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offense. Got hurt.
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So what are you supposed to do? And then it's just next to next
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year. Oh, you're you're you thought
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you had a new play collar this year.
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So of course this, that and the other, it's just excuse after
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excuse. There's always some player who
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gets hurt, whether it's Diggs, Deron Bland, Dak, offensive
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lineman. There's always somebody.
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There's always somebody and and Jerry's 82 years old now, so he
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realistically is going to own that team for 10-15 more years.
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Yeah. I mean, if it goes to 100, sure.
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But I mean, he looks like he's 100.
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But seriously, though, 10 to 15 more years of running that team
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and, and rest in peace, Jim Ersen.
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But I just hope that I hope that Jerry has set his children up to
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be successful like like Jim Ersen did with his with his
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daughters. And I think they're all oh,
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girl, I see he had who quote now taking over that team.
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And they seem to be taking it over in stride and trying to
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make it better immediately. So that's it's going to be
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unfortunate if we get to generation 2 here of the Jones
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family and Steven sitting up there, passing his glasses to
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his nephew to have hit them clean.
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And it's like, all right, pal, you got billions of dollars
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sitting there. Let's maybe, let's maybe do
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something extra here. Go Cowboys.
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All right, 7 and 10, baby. Yeah, the.
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Problem is that's not going to be 4th place, that's going to be
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third place, NFC East 7 and 10. And so it should be like, well,
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we weren't last, so we could be. Worse.
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So we're winning, right? Could be worse.
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Yeah. Top three Yeah, bronze medal
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right here, 3 or 4. I'm glad you brought that up
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actually, because I actually want to talk about the Giants a
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little bit later in the show. So.
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Oh. Yeah, yeah, me too.
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All right, so first thing we're going to talk about here is, I
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guess second thing we're going to talk about is some of the
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players that are holding out from mini camps.
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And So what we're going to do is just go through some of the
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bigger names and kind of just talk about the situation they're
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in. I personally would like to go
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with Shamar Stewart last. I want to spend a little bit
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more time on that situation, if that's OK with you.
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Will. Yeah, let's get started with the
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Easy 1, though. Let's go ahead and start with
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Jalen Ramsey, who is a Dolphins corner.
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He is, I mean, the team is seeking a trade, so it kind of
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makes sense that he's not there. There's not really much to say
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on this one, but I do think that's going to be kind of a hit
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for the Dolphins secondary because they were a top 10
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scoring defense last year. So losing Jalen Ramsey is not
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going to do the many favors in my opinion.
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But do you have anything else to report on Jalen Ramsey, Will?
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Not specifically, I just think he's going to be harder to move.
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The problem is, is that the next three years he's he's cautioned
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out through three years here he's got 25,000,000 due next
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year, 26.8 the year after and in 2028 he's due $36.1 million of a
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on a cap, on the cap hit and some of the incentives and
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bonuses. I do believe that it's carried
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over. When you get traded, it's going
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to make it hard to move Jalen and so they may not be able to.
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So this holdout may be all for not at the end.
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They do have a potential out after this year, but still, the
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last thing they want to do is to have to cut a player like Jayla
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Ramsey when he's got a lot of trade value.
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Still I got. A question for you will and you
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may not even know the answer to this.
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What? Why do teams like when they're
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trying to move a player, why do they make it known that if they
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don't trade him that they're going to release him?
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Like why would a team trade for him in that situation if they
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just know that you're going to release him?
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Oh, that is a good question. So if they release him, he hits
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the waiver wire, which you probably know from fantasy
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football, but that is an actual thing.
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And in the NFL, when players released, it hits waivers and
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every team, just like in fantasy football has an opportunity to
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pick him up. And it starts with the worst and
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goes to the best. Now if it goes through all 32
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teams and not one team picks up his his option, his waiver
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option, then he goes to actual like free agency released.
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And so that's why you would trade for him.
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Because if you're sitting there as the Chiefs, you're going to
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have option #31 to get this guy. And if you really want this guy,
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you don't want to chance 30 other teams before you at 31
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have the opportunity to pick him up.
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And so you want to trade for him now to get him on your team.
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But if you were like the Titans, there's no way you're going to
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trade for him If you're if you want him and he can take his
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contract, you don't want to give up anything you have, which
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already it's not a lot. You probably don't want to pay
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the asking price. And if you can pick him up on
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the wager wire, that is infinitely better for you.
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So that would be why. I guess I never thought of that,
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but that makes sense. I just always thought it was
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kind of stupid that they're like making it publicly known that
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they're going to trade this guy and then.
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It's a risky business move, but it it is for business.
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Hey, if you don't, if we don't get a trade here, we're going to
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have to release him and he's going to hit the waiver wire.
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And so Eagles chiefs, even like a mid range team like the
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Steelers or something like that, if they're looking at him, they
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know that OK, he has to pass through 15 teams to get to us at
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#16 and we have to, to sign him or not.
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Sometimes it's not worth the risk, especially if you know,
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because once and I that I think is why other things get released
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of oh, this team was working at training for him.
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This team was working at training for him.
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This team made this offer. I'm sure all these GMs and
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player personnel, they all talk and they all know information.
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Obviously there's, there's trade secrets are not sharing from
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team to team, but they definitely know who's working at
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who and what team needs what with their scouts and, and
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everything like that. And so I I think they do it to
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try to be more business asking more like incentivizing people
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to actually trade for him rather than actually having to release
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him. I feel like they're going to end
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up getting like a sixth round pick for Jalen Ramsey or
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something. I mean, if it was two years ago,
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they'd be getting the King's ransom form.
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And I don't mean, I don't mean like if he was two years
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younger. I mean like if the timeline were
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such where he's what, 31 right now?
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No, I'm so sorry. Yeah, he's 31 right now.
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So he's 31 right now at 31 year old corner.
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Yeah, his skill level 2 years ago, you're hitting a first and
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a third. The the trade market two years
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ago versus now has tanked significantly.
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Players are just not value as hype.
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Teams are not giving up near as high of anything.
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And we look at like the Amari Cooper trade, right?
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Dallas gave a first round pick for them, and then and then a
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couple years later, players of similar skill levels are getting
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traded for fifth round picks. Six round picks, like a single
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pick. Yeah, but everybody was making
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those trades at that time. Any starter, any position was
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being traded for a first or second round pick.
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And now starters are going for 5th and 6th round picks because
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veterans are not being valued as high in the trade market anymore
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because I think it's because contracts have gotten so high,
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because you're trading multi $100 million contract for a
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fifth round pick who you're going to pay a nickel as it all
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comes back to money. All right.
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Well, since we're on the topic of the Dolphins, let's go to
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John Smith, the Dolphins tight end who's also holding out of
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mini camp. And this one I have a problem
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with because John Smith signed A2 year $8.4 million contract
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with the Dolphins last offseason and then this offseason he's
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asking for a new contract because he set career highs in
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catches, yards and he tied his career high in touchdowns.
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I have a problem with this because you signed A2 year deal
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for $8.4 million and now you're asking for more money just
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because you had a good season. And it's not like Jonny Smith is
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a player who like, he's like some of these other guys who
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we'll get to next, like TJ Watt. He's not that caliber of a
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player. He had a good season.
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It was his best season of his career, but he hadn't had
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anything. Significantly.
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Exactly. He hadn't had anything close to
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that his entire career before that, and now he's acting like
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he's one of these star guys like TJ Watt out here demanding a new
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contract for him to show up to minicam.
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So he will be 30 at the start of the season this year.
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Last season he had 111 receptions, 88 reception, 111
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targets, which is 38 more receptions in his highest.
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He has 300 yards more to his highest.
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He did have a career year, 8 touchdowns, but he also had more
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opportunity. And I think it's because when
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you run a backup quarterback in, they default to their safety
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Nets, their swing passes, the running back and the tight ends.
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And so that you see more production probably like David
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or Harbor at HN. Devon crushed.
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Devon had a higher year as well because there was no two on
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date. But I can't even get his first
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name right. This is why I don't use my brain
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much. I read more than I try to think
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of people. Anyway, his year was up last
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year as well. It's for the same reason.
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I overall don't have that big of issue with people seeking new
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contracts. He just signed it at the
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beginning of last year and now it's one year later he's looking
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for a new contract that won't take place till after this next
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season anyway. It's not going to replace this
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year. But I do have a problem with is
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him holding out when he's currently under contract.
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And I will say this again and again and again.
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Every single player you have currently agreed to do work for
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this company for an entire another year.
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If I were personally, if I were to just not show up to work
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because I wanted to raise, they would fire me.
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They would just fire me. They can just find somebody
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else, especially right now during my offseason, say, OK,
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you don't want to play Titan for us.
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OK. Yeah, you're under contract
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because you. Also don't have guaranteed money
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in your in your job. Sure, but his guaranteed money
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for 2025, his guaranteed money, they're looking at $2.2 million
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of guaranteed money for him this year.
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But that's that's their dead chat.
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That's not actually guaranteed money.
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So his signing bonus, that's base salary, signing bonus,
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roster bonus, none of this is guaranteed.
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All of this guaranteed money already hit.
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It was a 2024 salary plus a signing above this.
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So his $4 million have guaranteed money all hit last
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year. So he has no guaranteed money.
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Which is probably also why he search new contract.
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He's got nothing guaranteed this year.
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If he gets hurt, he's out. I I don't really know how the
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injury stuff works, but I'm sure that's part of it.
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If if he he's looking at $1.1 million in bonuses this year on
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top of a three and a half million dollar base salary.
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But still, none of us guaranteed money is going to hit 2026
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anyway. So get your butt to work and,
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you know, be part of the team quick.
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Getting left behind, yeah. I just, I just have a problem
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with it because of the level of player he is.
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Yes. Like if you're like a high
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caliber player and you're seeking a new content, go for it
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because you've proven yourself. But I mean, I guess he proved
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himself one year, but how many times have we seen players have
20:20
one good year and then just suck?
20:22
Well, and calling it proving himself is a bit of a stretch
20:24
because it was his first year on the Dolphins.
20:26
Yeah, he's a tendency for four years, New England for two
20:29
years, Atlanta for one year, and he was in Miami for one year.
20:33
So he really hasn't. Proven anything proven anything
20:35
and and every other year besides last year, you have had terrible
20:39
stats. I I don't even terrible is a bit
20:41
strong of a word, but his highest yards total besides last
20:45
year 84. The highest previous was 448
20:49
receiving yards, and that was back in 2020 when there were no
20:52
fans in the state in stands. So he also had eight touchdowns
20:56
that year. So maybe maybe that's why he's
20:58
good in Miami. Nobody showed up for the games
20:59
there either. All right, let's move on to TJ
21:04
Watt. I think this one's pretty easy,
21:06
fairly simple, but just answer this question for me, Will.
21:08
Yes. Do you see a world where TJ Watt
21:11
is not on the field for the Steelers Week 1?
21:13
No. I don't either.
21:14
So this one I do view is different.
21:16
Like you said, he's proven himself.
21:17
He's been a Steeler for a long time.
21:19
He's been been a capstone in the Steelers defense for a long
21:21
time. He's been their guy for a long
21:24
time. I don't blame him for wanting
21:26
more money. He has no contract after this.
21:29
It's not like he's got he, he's an unrestricted free agent after
21:33
this season, so there's no guarantee he's going to get any
21:35
money at all after this year. And so that's what he's looking
21:38
for. He's looking for a commitment
21:40
and I don't I don't really blame him for that.
21:42
He is currently under contract for this year.
21:44
So personally, I think you should get your butt to work and
21:47
go do the thing because it to me, it also sets a bad example.
21:50
They just had to draft. They just brought in a bunch of
21:52
players and now your best guy isn't even out there to to show
21:56
them your ropes, to show them what Steve or football is all
21:58
about, to show them how to handle those guys like Aaron
22:01
Rodgers. I think it sets a bad precedent,
22:03
sets a bad example. It's becoming too commonplace in
22:06
the league in my opinion, but I do understand it somewhat.
22:10
Yeah, this one I understand a little bit more just because
22:12
he's TJ Watt, Defensive Player of the Year caliber player.
22:15
Yeah, so I understand a little bit.
22:17
I just like, like he said, I don't see a world where he's not
22:20
on the field Week 1. I think the Steelers are going
22:22
to get this done. They're going to lock him up.
22:24
This that right here is the reason why why has missed 11
22:27
games in his career. In 11 games that he's missed,
22:30
the Steelers are one in 10. In those games when they don't
22:33
have TJ Watt, they're one in 10. So without TJ Watt, they are a
22:36
completely different team, a completely different defense.
22:39
He has had 11 1/2 sacks at least in six of his eight seasons, and
22:45
one of those seasons where he didn't, he was a rookie and one
22:48
of those seasons that he didn't, he missed seven games.
22:50
This dude is as good as you're going to get when it comes to
22:53
that position. So I don't see a world where the
22:55
Steelers don't lock this up. They don't get it done.
22:57
TJ Watts going to be on the field Week 1.
22:59
I think it's that simple. All right, so next guy, Terry
23:02
Mclaurin, wide receiver for the Commanders.
23:04
So he's holding out because he's seeking a contract that's worth
23:07
30 million per season. He's currently making 22.7
23:11
million. 30 million a season. 30 million per year plus.
23:15
So I actually have a little list here of every receiver who makes
23:20
less than 30 million, but more than Mclaurin.
23:23
And so I'm going to read this off Will and I just want you to
23:26
tell me based off of this list and what these other receivers
23:29
are making, do you think he should get this money?
23:31
So again, this is every receiver who makes less than 30 million,
23:34
but more than Terry McClure. First one is T Higgins, then
23:37
Jalen Waddle, DJ Moore, Devante Smith, Miko Collins, Michael
23:42
Pittman, Junior, and Calvin Ridley.
23:44
They all make more money than McLaren.
23:46
All of those guys are also younger than Terry Mcclorn.
23:48
Well, McLaren's like 30. He will start the season at 30.
23:51
So man, I mean, if you're looking for a two year, $30
23:55
million a year deal, maybe, but most of that, most of that 30
23:59
per year is going to have to be in bonuses of some kind.
24:03
I just don't think that the, I mean, I guess let me let me back
24:07
up this whole thing. If they're, if the commanders
24:09
are going to do it right now is time because your quarterback's
24:12
going to work a deal. And so exactly you've got more
24:14
money right now, year and a half in three years because the
24:16
salary cap keeps going up. I think that we will still see
24:21
quarterback values go up, but I don't think it's going to be
24:23
shared percentage wise the same. Terry McCoy has been a big piece
24:27
of the the Commanders for a long time.
24:29
Do I think he's deserving of that much money in comparison?
24:32
Yeah, probably. But as you get older in years,
24:36
your production goes down. And that's just that's just what
24:40
it is. It's sad to say, I guess, but
24:42
but he's another guy who's been a career commander.
24:44
Well, he's been in his team in Washington for his entire
24:47
career. However you want to say it.
24:50
It really doesn't matter. He's been there as his entire
24:52
career. And I guess if they want to be
24:55
this new face commanders, it's the right move to to pay the
24:58
man. But again, at the same time,
25:00
you're under contract still get your bud to work.
25:03
I know I'm so indifferent throughout these contracts.
25:06
They're the values are so high because it's an entertainment
25:09
contract specifically, but he's getting paid.
25:11
His base salary is 15 and a half million dollars this year just
25:15
to catch football. Now there's more to it than
25:17
that, sure, but just these these bonuses and incentives, Sir,
25:21
please just get to work. That's that's all I'd say.
25:24
And I think statistically the players that hold out, we see a
25:27
slower starts in the season. So like if you're looking
25:30
fantasy wise as as we're coming in the year, I realize it's
25:33
still June, we're not really thinking about finance football
25:35
till end of July, August when pre season starts.
25:37
But if you're not in camp earlier and we're talking
25:41
mid-july, they wait until preseason or even a regular
25:44
season to start playing. They have such a slow start,
25:47
they're not even, they're not even useful for your team for
25:49
the first quarter of the year. And it's not a strange football
25:51
every time for the actual team. They're just not productive for
25:55
the first four games. And so they end up hurting
25:58
themselves more because then you don't get your incentives, you
26:01
don't get your bonuses. And so, I don't know, do I think
26:04
Terry McLaren's worth it? Yeah, probably for that team.
26:07
But at the same time, I I don't know.
26:09
What do you think? I think he's worth it 1 Based
26:12
off of those names, I think he's better than a lot of.
26:14
Those, yeah, I can agree. With that, and also I think he's
26:17
worth it because I'm looking at the depth chart for the
26:19
Commanders right now at wide receiver.
26:21
So they have Debo, but I don't think Debo is that good.
26:24
I think he's super overrated in my opinion.
26:27
And then they have Noah Brown, Luke McCaffrey, Jalen Lane,
26:30
who's a rookie, Michael Gallop washed, and then a bunch of guys
26:34
that nobody's ever heard of. So I think it's kind of like the
26:37
same situation with the Steelers and TJ Watt.
26:40
Like, I think the Commanders know that they have to pay him.
26:42
It's kind of just a matter of agreeing to something at this
26:44
point. But I think they know they have
26:46
to pay him because they don't have.
26:47
They can't waste a year with Daniels as their quarterback on
26:51
a rookie contract. Right, especially because they
26:53
brought in all this offensive line help this year with their
26:56
first round pick going to the right tackle.
26:58
They brought in Laramie Tonsil. They're making all the moves to
27:01
do the right thing. I would not be surprised if we
27:03
see another like receiver or any other offensive weapon come in
27:07
in the offseason, whether by trade or by, I mean, there's
27:10
still some free agents out there, you know, right, He's
27:12
still available. There's, there's still, there's
27:14
still free agents available. And maybe that's the thing.
27:16
They don't get a, they don't get a deal done with Terry to assign
27:19
a free agent for cheaper. The only problem with that is if
27:22
there's a guy who's a free agent, he hasn't practiced with
27:24
the team. He's not sure, you know, at the
27:26
facility doing the workouts. You know, it's kind of the same
27:28
situation that you mentioned, like he's going to take him a
27:30
little bit of time to get there, right?
27:33
So I do like that though. Like I think Keenan Allen, even
27:35
with McLaren, would be a great addition if he could find the
27:37
money to pay both of them. Oh yeah, I think that way you
27:39
don't have to rely anything on Dibo Sayville.
27:41
Exactly, that dude's garbage. I think he's garbage.
27:44
He had like one good season and he just happened to be on my
27:46
fantasy team and actually won me my fantasy championship that
27:49
year. But then after that he's been
27:51
terrible. Sorry 49ers fans, I'm just
27:52
telling the truth. He's on that team anymore.
27:54
It's fine. I know they don't care about
27:55
him. Anymore matter of fact, they
27:57
probably hate him, if we'll be honest.
27:58
Probably, but they love, they've like loved him too much when he
28:01
was on this, just like they do with other players.
28:04
OK, let's get on to the last two guys.
28:06
Trey Hendrickson and Shamar Stewart, we're going to finish
28:08
up this segment with. So let's start with Trey
28:11
Hendrickson. In Four Seasons that Trey
28:13
Hendrickson's been with the Bengals, he's told of 57 sacks.
28:16
He's averaged 14.25 sacks per season.
28:21
Last season, he led the league in sacks with 17.5.
28:24
The season before that, in 2023, he also had 17 1/2 sacks, but he
28:29
was second in the league behind TJ Watt.
28:31
So this dude is on that level. He's on that level with TJ Watt.
28:35
This guy knows how to get to the quarterback.
28:36
He can help your I I can't imagine how bad the Bengals
28:40
defense would have been without him on the field last season.
28:43
Yeah, no joke. With as bad as it already was.
28:46
The Bengals defense totaled 36 sacks in 2024.
28:49
Hendrickson had 17 1/2. The rest of the team had 18 and
28:53
a. Half that's.
28:55
Terrible. And now.
28:56
And now they can't find the money to pay this dude.
28:59
Well, if you look at their offensive side of the of the
29:01
football field, that's where their money is.
29:03
And as we saw last year with the Bengals, if all your money goes
29:06
to the offensive side, you're going to be stuck with
29:09
statistically the best quarterback, statistically the
29:11
best receiver, a very good running back.
29:13
But those guys are going to be so dead tired by the end of the
29:17
season because they're on the they're on the field so much.
29:21
There's your defense can't stop anybody.
29:23
So they're just, they have to score 50 points a game to win a
29:26
game because again, your defense can't stop anybody.
29:29
And so their offense is scoring coming up the field and your
29:32
offense is getting tired out. And now you're back in Joe
29:34
Burrow days of 2-3 years ago where he's getting sex 60 * a
29:38
season. And whether you're good or not,
29:40
if you're playing 75% of the game, like on the field for 75%
29:44
of the game, you're just going to get exhausted.
29:46
It's physically exhausting and your defense is worse than a
29:50
white paper bag and it having having your best defensive
29:53
player sit out right now and best by far defensive player sit
29:57
out right by far. This is not good.
29:59
He's only got one year left and this is the same same scenario
30:02
we were just talking about where he's only got this year left and
30:05
he's an unrestricted free agent after this year.
30:07
And so he's just looking for guaranteed money moving forward.
30:10
He's looking for longevity. He's not asking to leave.
30:12
It's not like he's trying to leave the Bengals.
30:14
He wants to stay there, but he has only the unrestricted free
30:18
agent to where he's just trying to get some sort of career
30:21
futures. Yeah, I think it's terrible that
30:23
the Bengals have even given him permission to seek a trade.
30:26
Like, what does that say about you?
30:28
Like that says that they're not really even trying to figure it
30:30
out. Like you've mentioned before,
30:32
these contracts are just all fake.
30:34
You could restructure Joe Burrow.
30:35
You could restructure Chase, you can restructure Higgins.
30:38
You could restructure anybody you want on that team and
30:41
Createspace to sign Trey Hendrickson and give him what he
30:44
wants. So I don't understand why
30:46
they're not doing. It nobody wants to give up their
30:48
money I mean that's that's simple they.
30:49
Also don't want to win then? Yeah, you can put it that way
30:53
for sure. There's just it's it's really
30:55
hard to get paid and to give it up and you're going to have to
30:58
right. Brady was never known Tom Brady
31:01
best quarterback of all time. And that's I would say that's
31:03
arguable, but the the best quarterbacks we've ever played
31:06
the game. He was never known for his
31:08
gigantic deals. We weren't talking.
31:11
We weren't talking about Oh my gosh, Can you believe that Tom
31:14
Brady gets paid so much money? Joe Flacco at one point was the
31:18
highest paid quarterback to ever play, right?
31:20
It was years and years ago. Tom Brady was nowhere near that
31:24
because he knew it takes a village to win the Super Bowl
31:27
and these guys just don't seem to care anymore.
31:29
At least that's what it seems like from the outside looking
31:31
at. And also, guess who's not a top
31:33
ten paid quarterback? Patrick Mahomes.
31:35
Well, he's not in the top 10. Now hold on though, I'm going to
31:38
have to put put an asterisk on that one because when he got his
31:41
deal, 10 years 500 and some odd $1,000,000.
31:46
Let's not let's not act like when he got his deal, it was not
31:50
an an outrageous, unbelievable deal.
31:53
Again, it's all fake money. All of that 10 years is fake
31:57
hundred 500 or some odd 503. I think $1,000,000 a 106,
32:01
something like that. It's all fake money, fake deal.
32:04
But when he got it, that was an egregious no way.
32:07
You're paying this guy way too much money now.
32:10
It was a really smart deal by the team.
32:12
It was his same thing in the NBA.
32:13
They sign these guys up for these huge deals.
32:15
They're super Maxes. And by the end of their super
32:18
Max, they're making like Trump change.
32:20
It's the same thing that they did with him that when he made
32:23
that deal, it was heavily front loaded.
32:25
Yeah, you're paying them a lot now.
32:26
But by the time that deal is over, he's it's going to be
32:29
like, wow, you only pay him this much money.
32:31
It was incredibly smart business session by the Hunt family down
32:34
there in Kansas City. But they just don't take it
32:37
anymore. No contract will ever be
32:38
stupider than than they're trying to watch the contract.
32:41
But. The Browns be Browning.
32:45
Browns be Browning. All right, let's move on to the
32:49
last guy here, Shamar Stewart, who is teammates.
32:52
Well, it's supposed to be teammates with Trey Hendrickson,
32:54
but he's also holding out and this is a rookie we're talking
32:57
about. Well, I'll let you go first
32:59
because I kind of got a lot to say about this dude.
33:01
I don't really know what to say. I mean, at this point I equate
33:05
this to pretty big baseball fan here.
33:08
You can draft a player in baseball and then they can
33:10
choose to go back to college. Or if they, if drafts are in
33:14
high school, they can choose to go to college rather than coming
33:17
to your professional team and they can enter the draft next
33:20
year and they can get drafted to a different team.
33:22
So you've been wasting a draft pick.
33:24
It feels like we have the same thing going on here, except in
33:27
the NFL you cannot choose to go back to college.
33:30
At least I don't think it's an option for Shamar Stewart to go
33:32
back to Texas A&M. Although if he wanted to get 1
33:34
1/2 more sacks, that's the place to do it.
33:37
I just think that that it is going to end up being a waste of
33:40
a draft pick. People keep talking about, oh,
33:42
he could get drafted to you next year, but who's going to draft
33:45
him? He's going to slide worse than
33:48
Shidor Sanders. There's just no way that this
33:51
scenario is well for Shamar Stewart in a long run.
33:55
We have on this show talked a lot of crap about Shamar
33:58
Stewart. I mean, he went through college
33:59
and got what, 3, three seconds? We're going to have sex, 1/2
34:03
sex, totally three years, three years, That's what it is.
34:05
That's bad. You drafted a guy at pick #17
34:08
due to his athleticism. And if you're talking about a
34:12
linebacker, I I guess, or an edge rusher, he's not an actual
34:16
edge rusher, is he? Or is he?
34:17
Does he technically listening? So so he's an edge rusher and so
34:20
athleticism really does matter there.
34:22
But ask TJ what? Ask any of the what brothers
34:25
technique, it's going to matter more.
34:27
Ask Dwight Freeny about edge. Russian technique matters more
34:30
than just pure athleticism. And that's teachable.
34:33
But this guy Shamar here is showing over and over and over
34:36
again. He's not going to be teachable
34:38
if you're not going to sign your guaranteed rookie contract and
34:41
it is fully guaranteed. It's four years, 18 million or
34:44
something like that, fully guaranteed.
34:46
And it's a preset scale. The rookie deals, the year after
34:51
Sam Bradford and Adam can sue, they went okay, These rookie
34:54
deals, these rookie contracts are getting outrageous.
34:57
We're paying people to come in, we're going to have $60 million
35:01
contracts, fully guaranteed, outrageous deals.
35:05
We can't be doing this anymore. So they set up a rookie pay
35:08
scale. And so it's not like there's
35:10
room for negotiation or there's not like there's room for other
35:13
movement here. You were picked at #17 this is
35:16
the deal you get. Just the fact that you're not
35:18
signing it I think is just completely, completely ass
35:21
night. It's ridiculous.
35:22
So I like that you brought up the the draft thing because
35:26
actually have a couple like some information that I don't feel
35:30
like a lot of people know. If the Bengals failed to sign
35:32
Stewart by August 5th, which is 30 days before the start of the
35:35
season, Cincinnati cannot trade him.
35:37
Then the next major deadline after that is November 11th,
35:40
which is similar to the franchise tag.
35:43
If Stewart has not signed his contract by then, he's not
35:46
eligible to play the rest of the season.
35:48
And then if Stewart does not sign or ever take the field this
35:52
season he is eligible to re enter the draft and the only
35:56
team that cannot draft him is the Bengals so they would be
35:59
completely wasting a pick. Their first round pick?
36:02
Their first round pick, yes. I thought that was interesting
36:05
because I actually didn't know that.
36:06
And what an opportunity for Mark Stewart to come into the field
36:09
on a defense that desperately needs help to work with any of
36:12
the best defensive lineman in the league if he stays in the
36:15
team. And then you're just pissing
36:16
your opportunity away. You're just wasting your entire
36:19
rookie learning time. It's the rookie training camp,
36:23
stuff like that. But it's your work.
36:24
It's your learning time as you move up in level high school or
36:27
peewee middle school in high school, college, the coaching
36:30
gets better. The facilities are supposed to
36:32
get better. Although I don't know if the
36:35
Bengals have better facilities in Texas A&M.
36:37
That is is truly up for discussion.
36:41
But I, I, man, I am not I, I don't know this is, this is a
36:44
bad career move. That's what this is.
36:47
Agreed. Here's my problem with Shamar
36:49
Stewart. He's in a contract dispute over
36:51
the language of his contract that could potentially void
36:54
guaranteed money in future years if he were to get suspended now.
36:58
This contract is the same language as the Cardinals and
37:02
the Seahawks who were pick 16 and 18, which is right before
37:07
him and right after him. It's the same exact language and
37:11
those first round picks have both signed.
37:12
The problem I have with this is if you're in a dispute over
37:16
getting suspended and potentially losing money, that
37:19
tells me something about your character.
37:21
That tells me that the moment that you get your guaranteed
37:25
money, you're going to go out and do something stupid and get
37:28
suspended. That tells me a lot about who
37:30
you are as a person, not just a. Player Yeah, I I think that's
37:34
pretty shaggy. It is now.
37:36
Here's the even bigger problem I have with Shamar Stewart, he
37:39
said. I don't want nothing more than
37:41
what I deserve now, aside from the terrible English.
37:44
What do you deserve, Shamar? What do you deserve?
37:47
You are a rookie who has never played one single down in the
37:51
NFL. You had 4 1/2 sacks in three
37:53
years. You could barely produce in
37:55
college. You have not played one single
37:57
snap in the NFLI. Don't care if you were pick
38:00
number one overall. I don't care if you were pick
38:03
seventeen overall. What do you deserve?
38:05
You don't deserve anything right now.
38:08
You are a rookie who can't even report to mini camp because of a
38:12
dispute over your contract. The length language of your
38:15
contract and you think you deserve something.
38:18
You deserve absolutely nothing. You are not Trey Hendrickson,
38:22
even though you seem to think that you are.
38:24
You are not Trey Hendrickson who does deserve it because he has
38:27
led the league in sacks. He's averaged 14.25 sacks per
38:31
season since he's been with the Bengals.
38:33
He has been the Bengals defense Shamar Stewart.
38:36
You are not Trey Hendrickson. You deserve absolutely nothing,
38:42
my friend, absolutely nothing. This is ridiculous.
38:45
He wasn't even the best player on that Texas A&M defensive
38:48
line. No, he wasn't.
38:50
You weren't even the best player in your position group in
38:54
college. And you come in the NFL where
38:56
you are the smallest fish in the biggest pond when it comes to
39:00
football. And you just, you just start
39:02
trying to have a measuring contest and it is going to fail.
39:05
He's going to fall far on his face.
39:07
He's going to get stuck with signing it and then he's going
39:10
to piss off his team and his coaches in the process.
39:13
And if you think Tim Tebow's rookie hazing was bad, if you
39:16
don't remember, look up his Friar Tuck haircut.
39:20
That's a deep cut. I know.
39:22
But but if you if you think that that some of these other players
39:26
rookie hazing was bad, just wait until he finally shows up to
39:29
mini camp. Shamar Stewart turn to be.
39:32
He's going to go through it. It is not going to be a welcome,
39:36
a warm welcome for him when he finally gets in the bagels.
39:38
This. Whole situation, the more I read
39:41
on it, the more I dislike Shamar Stewart.
39:43
I hope because of this situation that Shamar Stewart fails.
39:48
I hope he fails in the NFL because of I already didn't
39:51
think he would succeed. But I hope that because of this
39:53
situation, I hope that he is considered one of the biggest
39:57
busts in NFL history, and I know he won't be because he's picked
39:59
17. But I hope that somehow he gets
40:02
to that level because I hate him that much because this is just
40:05
ridiculous. But I have nothing to add to
40:07
that. On that note, then, let's move
40:09
on to our next topic. So we actually had two more
40:11
topics for this show. I think we're just going to
40:14
stick to one will and we'll save the we were going to talk about
40:17
the Titans, but I think we should save that for next time
40:19
when Avery's back just due to the time.
40:21
And also I feel like we should get Avery's input on that too
40:24
because of specifically because of a like IO Manor, who Avery is
40:27
in love with. Our last topic for the day is
40:30
going to be could we see the first O and 17 team this season?
40:34
So in our lifetime we've seen two teams that have gone
40:37
winless, but they went O and 16 because this was before the 17
40:41
game season. So the 2008 Detroit Lions and
40:44
the 2017 Cleveland Browns both went winless.
40:48
We almost saw the Jaguars do it in 2020 when they finished one
40:52
and 15. And then since the 17 game
40:55
schedule has been out, the closest we've gotten is the
40:58
Carolina Panthers in 2023, who were two and 15.
41:01
So Will, why don't you start us off?
41:03
Do you think there's any chance that we see an O and 17 team
41:07
this season? And if you do, who do you think
41:10
that team would? Be Oh, I think we have two
41:12
potentials and I'm going to extreme bear in the lead here.
41:15
So I think we have two potentials and I don't think
41:17
that this is a shocker anybody but those two are the Giants and
41:21
the Saints. So the Giants have, according to
41:24
Shark Football analysis, the Giants have the hardest schedule
41:27
in the NFL and the Saints actually have the third easiest
41:31
schedule in the NFL. So let's start with the Giants.
41:34
Now. The Giants recently got
41:36
quarterback Russell Wilson and quarterback Jameis Winston on
41:38
their team. Given these two, not a single
41:41
other starter on their offense changed.
41:44
They did not go with us last year with Tommy De Vito and
41:48
Daniel Jones. I actually think they have
41:51
slightly improved. I think their.
41:53
Quarterback room got, I think their their quarterback room got
41:55
better. I think is a fair thing to say.
41:57
The acquisition of Abdul Carter in the draft, they've made some
42:00
some additions on their defense as well.
42:02
Even with the third hardest schedule, I still don't think
42:06
they go. It's not the it's not the third
42:07
hardest. It's.
42:08
The hardest, Sorry, it's third easiest and the hardest.
42:11
Thank you. It's not going to be the easiest
42:13
for the OK, OK, I'm crossing wires here.
42:18
It doesn't start easy and it definitely doesn't finish easy.
42:21
They're at Washington, at Dallas, home versus KC, home
42:25
versus the Chargers. But then they are at New
42:28
Orleans. That's the one that's going to
42:31
be if they go 1 and 16, that's the way they're going to win
42:33
their home versus Philly, at Denver, at Philly, home versus
42:37
San Francisco. And it's another winnable game
42:39
for them because I don't think the Niners are going to be very
42:41
good this year either. I don't think winless but not
42:44
very good at Chicago, home versus Green Bay, at Detroit, at
42:48
New England in Week 13 by at home versus Washington, home
42:52
versus Minnesota, at Las Vegas, home versus Dallas.
42:56
So it's pretty grueling, but it's not unwinnable.
42:59
So I don't think they go over. I think they get a couple wins
43:02
in there, maybe maybe three. I think 3 and 13 or 3 and 14 at
43:08
best, at truly at best. We don't know what Russell
43:11
Wilson we're going to get this year, and I think that is the
43:13
best possible scenario for Russell Wilson.
43:16
We have heard so much about Russell Wilson over the past
43:19
years. Mr. Unlimited up in Seattle, the
43:22
Instagram videos with Sierra laying in bed, the hey, hey,
43:27
Broncos, let's ride. That's right.
43:29
Hey, Denver, Bron, it's Broncos. Hey, what's up?
43:33
Broncos Country. Broncos Country, that's the one.
43:35
Broncos Country. That's right.
43:37
Him doing high knees on the airplane.
43:39
We've heard all this stuff about Rusty Wilson every offseason and
43:43
every season for his entire career.
43:46
And the one year he goes to the most high profile city in the
43:50
country, we hear nothing about him yet.
43:53
I mean, even that's a good point.
43:55
Even day one of Broncos camp two years ago, his first year in
44:00
Denver, he showed up in some massive truck making some
44:05
absolute statement wearing his game jersey.
44:09
He made an absolute Jack wagon of himself day one of camps and
44:15
and now that he's in the, like I said, the most high profile city
44:19
in the country and we haven't heard a single thing nationally
44:23
about Russell Wilson. I'm sure there's been minor
44:25
things. If you're in New York and you're
44:27
a Giants fan, you're tapped into that wire.
44:29
I'm sure there's been things, but we haven't seen anything on
44:32
it nationally. And I think that is the best
44:34
possible scenario for Russell Wilson as if he just goes to
44:38
work. Like we've been talking about
44:39
this entire episode. He just goes to work.
44:42
He does his thing. Russell Wilson is not not a bad
44:45
quarterback. He may have never received an
44:47
MVP vote, but that doesn't mean he's bad.
44:49
He well, I think it's a first place MVP vote technically by by
44:53
all standards. So I I think that between him
44:56
and Jameis Winston, which is a crazy combination and you get
44:59
Jackson dart right behind the those things are to be clamoring
45:02
for Jackson dart. But if Jackson Dart can sit a
45:06
year or two behind prime mentality Russell Wilson, we
45:09
don't have prime Russell Wilson, but prime mentality Russell
45:12
Wilson, when he was consistently taking that Seahawks team deep
45:15
into the playoffs and in two Super Bowls, it could set
45:17
Jackson Dart up for a wonderful career.
45:20
As much as I want to see him play early, he wasn't their
45:22
first round pick this year, was he not?
45:24
No, Carter was, but he was also. He was also.
45:27
Yeah, yes. And so everybody was the one to
45:30
start early, but I just don't think it's going to happen.
45:32
So I see it for us. So once you can just show up and
45:34
go to work. So the Giants, I'm going to give
45:37
them a no. They're not going to go O 117.
45:40
So before before we go on to the Saints, I also picked the
45:43
Giants, but I picked the Giants as my dark horse team to go O
45:47
117. And the reason why I picked them
45:48
as my dark horse is because I have been on the show several
45:52
times saying that I think the Giants are going to be
45:54
competitive this season. Now, competitive doesn't mean
45:57
that you're going to win games. I think that I think that the
46:01
Giants are going to be a team that are are people are going to
46:04
think that it's going to be an easy win, but it's not going to
46:06
be an easy win. I think the Giants are going to
46:08
be very competitive. I think they had a really great
46:11
draft. I've even said on the show that
46:12
because of their draft, I might be a Giants fan now.
46:14
Yeah, I have said. Huge draft winners.
46:17
They were, I believe. They were your pick for draft
46:19
winners this year. They were, they were.
46:21
I think they knocked the draft out of the park.
46:24
But the reason I think that they're a dark horse team to go
46:26
O in 17 is like you mentioned, they're schedule is just brutal.
46:32
So they play the Commanders twice, they play the Eagles
46:35
twice, they play Dallas twice. And I know Dallas isn't going to
46:38
be good, but Dallas, especially when Doc Prescott is healthy,
46:42
always seems to beat the Giants. So those games are not going to
46:45
be easy. Then in Week 3 they got the
46:46
Chiefs. Week 4, they have the Chargers.
46:48
We mentioned the Saints. That was actually one of the
46:51
four games that I that I looked at on their schedule and said I
46:54
think they could legit win that game.
46:56
One of four games that that I saw the Patriots is one of the
46:59
games I marked as a game they could win.
47:01
But I do think the Patriots are significantly better than they
47:05
were last season. There's just there's not a lot
47:07
of games in there where you look at it and you say they're going
47:10
to win. Yeah, really, if I was to say
47:12
any game with confidence, it's the Saints.
47:14
But the reason I picked the Giants as my dark horse team is
47:17
because it's possible because of the schedule, but I don't think
47:21
it's actually going to happen. I can't remember that.
47:23
All right, sorry I interrupted you.
47:25
Go on to. The Saints.
47:26
So then we've got the Saints and used to run through their
47:29
schedule real quick. They open up at home versus
47:31
Arizona and in San Francisco. Then they're at Seattle and and
47:34
then at Buffalo home versus the Giants, which that is the one
47:38
game that week 5 game, New York first New Orleans.
47:42
I truly imagine both teams show up O and four, they move that
47:46
game to 10 AM Western Pacific Time Sunday morning and bury it
47:50
deep on Fox where nobody ever has to watch that game.
47:54
The last, probably the last winless team.
47:57
One of those two teams will win and the other won't be the last
48:00
winless team. I would.
48:01
Actually watch that game just just because, just because of
48:05
that, I would actually. Watch and they're and then
48:07
they're home against New England, they're at Chicago, at
48:09
home against Tampa Bay, at the Rams, at Carolina, which that's
48:13
another game. So obviously NFC South there.
48:16
We talked about this before your your 4 starting quarterbacks.
48:19
The way it sits right now is Tyler Shuck, Bryce Young,
48:22
Michael Phoenix junior and Baker Mansfield like the best one in
48:26
the group can't remember his name.
48:27
So Baker Mansfield is the best one in the group.
48:30
So you're you're home and home or your your two games against
48:33
Carolina are both possibly winnable, but I think Carolina's
48:36
making strides because their system's staying the same.
48:38
And then you've got your two games against Atlanta.
48:40
But Atlanta again has a pretty all right team except for
48:44
Michael Penny's junior, but even he played last year and so he's
48:47
in great in the system a bit more.
48:48
So they're they're at Carolina and they're home.
48:51
They have a bi week, Week 11, home against Atlanta, at Miami,
48:54
at Tampa Bay, home against Carolina.
48:56
They're home against The Jets. So if they are winless going
49:00
into week 16, that is a game where I can generally see them
49:03
sneaking away with the win. Their last three is where they
49:05
have the highest probability of sneaking away with the win.
49:08
They're home against The Jets, they're at Tennessee, which is
49:12
another team that I have as a question mark for winless, and
49:14
then they're at Atlanta, at Tennessee and Atlanta.
49:17
Those last three actually really those last four Carolina Jets,
49:22
Titans, Falcons and what the Saints involved are going to be
49:25
4 games in a row where we're fighting for draft picks.
49:29
Who's hitting the number one pick?
49:30
Who is going to get in the top five here?
49:33
I don't think we see a single winless team.
49:35
I know all of that is to say no, but I I do think that that we
49:40
don't see a single winless team this year.
49:42
If there was any team that I would pick, I would say it's the
49:44
Saints. I mean, I don't really have
49:46
anything else to add. They're just terrible.
49:49
They're just bad. I had two Saints fans on one of
49:51
our social media posts on YouTube trying to argue with me
49:54
that Spencer Radler and Tyler Shuck.
49:56
We're going to be good quarterbacks.
50:01
Yeah, so the we had a post last week about in our last episode
50:06
where we were talking about how bad Spencer Rattler was because
50:09
Avery asked the question, is it going to be Spencer Rattler or
50:12
Tyler Shuck who starts? And I said Shuck and Avery kind
50:15
of questioned it a little bit until he kind of went back on
50:17
that. And then because because he saw
50:19
that Spencer Rattler was just terrible last year and he went
50:22
oh, and six in his starts, one of the guys who was kind of
50:24
fighting me on YouTube was saying, well, Spencer Rattler
50:28
was playing with a bunch of undrafted free agents, which is
50:31
true because of all the the injuries that receiver
50:34
specifically. OK, my response was there's no
50:38
excuses in the NFL. So his response to me was, I'm
50:41
going to come back to this post in a few months.
50:43
And then my response back was when the Saints are O in 17.
50:47
So I feel like I kind of have to say the Saints because of that.
50:50
Just to back up my claim of the Saints are going to be O in 17,
50:54
although I don't actually think it's going to happen.
50:55
But if there was one team that I would pick, it's going to be the
50:59
New Orleans Saints because they are bad.
51:01
Also, just real quick on Tyler Shuck.
51:03
This is a different guy who was fighting me, but he thinks
51:05
Rattler is going to be the starter over Shuck.
51:07
And I said, do you think that's a waste of a pick to pick Shuck
51:10
at 40 in that case? And he told me I don't think
51:14
it's a waste of a pick because I think picking him at 40 is a
51:17
good spot for a high value backup quarterback.
51:20
And I was like, what the Shuck you talking about?
51:24
High value backup quarterback at pick 40.
51:27
That's not good value. So I, I truly believe I'm
51:31
looking at the same step chart right now.
51:34
They have six of their 11 starters of first round draft
51:38
picks and then two more. So bring us up to 8 of the 11
51:42
are in the first or second round, including Tyler.
51:45
Shocking this. So you have the vast majority of
51:48
your starting offense offense as a first or second round draft.
51:53
Pick that just tells you how bad they are.
51:55
They should be better than that. I will not be surprised when
52:00
looking back at their schedule Week 5 versus the Giants.
52:03
We hear the announcement between Week 4 and Week 5.
52:06
Take some titles. Listen as the starting
52:07
quarterback because you have to have because you have run out of
52:10
options. They went Week 1 and 2, Tyler
52:13
Shuck Week 2 1/2. So week week 3 they switched to
52:18
Spencer Rattler. Half into that game, Rattler
52:20
does just as bad as he had before.
52:22
Now you've crushed Tyler Shuck. And his 26 year old buddy.
52:25
Yeah, you've crushed his morale. He's lost all mental faculty.
52:29
It's not like he's incapable. It's just hard to recover from
52:32
that. Spencer Radler has shown himself
52:35
to not be the guy. And so where they have to put
52:37
anybody who can kind of throw the ball and still is an
52:42
athlete, and Zilla put Taysom Hill in, And I said this earlier
52:45
on this show, not today, but in the previous episode, this is a
52:48
good year to get Taysom Hill as a tight end for your fantasy
52:52
team because when he eventually starts the quarterback, he's
52:55
going to rack up the points because they're receiving corps.
52:58
They've got Chris Allave, they've brought in Brandon Cooks
53:00
this year. They've got Rasheed, Saheed
53:05
Shaheed. I'm even looking at the name
53:08
Shaheed Rasheed. I love the name pronunciation on
53:12
this show. Joan Johnson is not terrible, I
53:16
just think that if you get a good enough athlete, IE takes
53:19
him ill in there, if you keep him, if you stop him from
53:22
returning punts and kicks and actually put him at something
53:26
that he can kind of do. He played quarterback in
53:27
college. He's a BYUI.
53:29
Truly think he probably gives him the best chance of winning,
53:32
which sounds so sad because they don't want him to play
53:35
quarterback. They wanted to play anything
53:36
else because it's not that good of a quarterback.
53:39
He's a real Tim Tebow type, but he just adjusted better.
53:42
Yeah, that that team is just garbage.
53:44
It really is. Although I still don't think
53:46
they go with this. I think they they win probably
53:48
one game. Honestly, they will be.
53:50
They will probably be pick one or two next.
53:54
Year, I have their whole schedule in front of me and I
53:56
marked each of the games that I think they could potentially win
53:59
and I marked one which was at Titans in week 17.
54:02
That's the one game that I can that I can see like there's a
54:05
legit possibility that they can win.
54:07
And the reason that the Titans are another team I think could
54:10
potentially go on 17 is because the Saints might be meet them in
54:14
Week 17. Now, I'm just going to leave
54:17
that as a cliffhanger as a segue into next week because we're
54:20
going to talk about the Titans. And with that, we'll be back
54:22
next week. We'll talk about the Tennessee
54:24
Titans and what they put around their rookie quarterback Cam
54:27
Ward. And as always, don't forget to
54:29
keep your balls played with. We'll see you next.
54:31
Time miss you Avery. Also, Mark Davis and Sarah Kyle
54:33
still sucks.