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DJT Audio Archive: Republican Debate #11 - Detroit, Michigan (March 3, 2016) · Real Donald Trump Wisdom

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Tonight, there are just four candidates on the
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stage. Their position has been determined by
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their standing in an average of the five most
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recent national polls as recognized by Fox News
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and conducted and released by March 1st. Here
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they are. Businessman Donald Trump, Texas Senator
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Kasich. Are simple. Up to 60 seconds for each
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answer, 30 seconds for each follow -up response,
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and if a candidate goes over the allotted time,
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you will hear this. So pleasant. Lovely. We have
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a big crowd here. And while we expect the audience
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to be enthusiastic and responsive at times, and
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they have already been, we also expect them to
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be respectful. And we want the candidates to
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get there full time. So somewhere between a library
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and a Red Wings game. Am I right? Okay. Let's
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get started. Mr. Trump, as you may have heard,
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the 2012 Republican nominee for president, Mitt
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Romney, had some things to say about you today.
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He said your domestic policy will lead to recession.
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He said your foreign policy will make us less
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safe. And then he listed what he said are your
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personal qualities, quoting now Romney on Trump,
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quote, the bullying, the greed, the showing off,
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the misogyny. the absurd third -grade theatrics.
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He challenged you to answer with substance, not
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insults. How do you answer Mitt Romney, sir?
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Well, look, he was a failed candidate. He should
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have beaten President Obama very easy. He failed
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miserably. And it was an embarrassment to everybody,
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including the Republican Party. He went away.
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It looked like he went away on a vacation the
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last month. So I don't take that. And I guess,
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obviously, he wants to be relevant. He wants
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to be back in the game. As far as domestic policy
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and trade, which is killing our country, he said
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free trade. And I believe in free trade also.
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But if you look at China and if you look at Japan
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and if you look at Mexico, both at the border,
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by the way, where they're killing us, both at
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the border and with trade. Every other country
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we do business with, we are getting absolutely
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crushed on trade. And he said, free trade? I
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say free trade, great, but not when they're beating
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us so badly. With China, we're going to lose
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$505 billion in terms of trades. You just can't
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do it. Mexico, $58 billion. Japan, probably about,
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they don't know it yet, but about $109 billion.
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Every country we lose money with. As far as I'm
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concerned, we've got to reduce, we have to redo
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our trade deals 100%. I have the greatest business
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people in the world lined up to do it. We will
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make great trade deals. You also talked your
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position on race and the controversy over your
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failure to denounce David Duke on Sunday. You
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have repeatedly disavowed him since then. But
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I'd like to go deeper than that. What are your
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views on the Ku Klux Klan and white supremacists?
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I totally disavow the Ku Klux Klan. I totally
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disavow David Duke. I've been doing it now for
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two weeks. This is you're probably about the
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18th person that's asked me the question. It
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was very clear. That question was also talked
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about in the form of groups. Groups. I want to
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know which groups are you talking about? You
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have to tell me which groups. Ultimately, he
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got to the Klu Klux Klan, which obviously I'm
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going to disavow. And by the way, if you look
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at my Twitter account, almost immediately after
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the program, they were disavowed again. You know,
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it's amazing. When I do something on Twitter,
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everybody picks it up, goes all over the place.
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But when I did this one, nobody ever picks it
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up. Take a look at my Twitter account. Thank
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you, sir. Thank you. Senator Rubio, three weeks
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ago, you said, quote, I don't do the personal
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attacks primarily because it's not who I am,
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because I think it's beneath the office that
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I'm seeking, but also because I don't want to
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embarrass my kids. But in the past week, you've
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mocked Mr. Trump's tan. You've made fun of his
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spelling. You called him a con artist. You suggested
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he wet himself backstage at the last debate.
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along with other vulgar jokes and jabs. So what
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happened? Yeah, you know, Brett, let me say something.
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This campaign for the last year, Donald Trump
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has basically mocked everybody with personal
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attacks. He's done so to people that are sitting
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on the stage today. He's done so about people
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that are disabled. He's done it about every other
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candidate in this race. So if there's anyone
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who's ever deserved to be attacked that way,
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it's been Donald Trump for the way he's treated
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people in the last campaign. Now, that said...
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I would much prefer to have a policy debate.
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I hope that's what we'll have here tonight. Let's
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have a policy debate. Let's talk about Donald
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Trump's strategy and my strategy and Ted's strategy
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and John Kasich's strategy when it comes to ISIS
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and on health care and on the important issues
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facing this country. But let's be honest, too,
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about all this. The media has given these personal
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attacks that Donald Trump has made an incredible
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amount of coverage. Let's start talking again
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about the issues that matter to this country.
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I'm ready to do that starting right here, right
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now, tonight. Mr. Trump, your response? Well,
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I also happen to call him a lightweight, okay?
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And I have said that, so I would like to take
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that back. He's really not that much of a lightweight.
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And as far as, and I have to say this, I have
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to say this, he hit my hands. Nobody has ever
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hit my hands. I've never heard of this one. Look
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at those hands. Are they small hands? And he
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referred to my hands. If they're small, something
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else must be small. I guarantee you there's no
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problem. I guarantee it. Okay. Moving on. You
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say that you are the true conservative in this
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race. But 15 states have voted now, and you have
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won only four of them. You've lost repeatedly
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with what is supposed to be your core voter groups,
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including evangelicals and conservatives. Hasn't
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your brand of conservatism been rejected by an
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electorate that appears to be more taken with
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Mr. Trump's populist message? Well, Megan. You
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know, at the end of the day, for the folks at
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home, this is not about the insults back and
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forth between the candidates. This is not about
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what attacks we can throw at each other. This
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is the people at home who are struggling. Through
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seven years of Barack Obama, this is the single
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moms who are working two and three jobs 28, 29
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hours a week because their hours have been forcibly
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reduced because of Obamacare. This is the truck
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drivers and the steel workers and the mechanics
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with calluses on their hands who've seen their
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wages not grow year after year after year while
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the cost of living goes up. This is all the young
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people coming out of school with student loans
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up to their eyeballs that aren't able to find
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a job. And I don't think the people of America
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are interested in a bunch of bickering schoolchildren.
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They're interested in solutions, not slogans.
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It's easy to say, make things better, make things
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great. You can even print it and put it on a
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baseball cap. But the question is, do you understand
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the principles that made America great in the
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first place? As president, I will repeal every
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word of Obamacare. I'll pull back the regulators
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that are killing small businesses. And we will
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pass a simple flat tax and abolish the IRS. And
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what that's going to do, Megan, is small businesses
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are going to explode. We're going to see millions
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of high -paying jobs. We're going to see wages
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going up. We're going to see opportunity. That's
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where our focus needs to be. That's where my
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focus is. is and that is why our campaign is
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the only campaign that over and over again has
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beaten Donald Trump to date and it's why we're
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the one campaign that going forward can and will
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beat Donald Trump in this election I've heard
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Ted say that over and over again on television
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that he's the only one that could beat me just
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for the record I've won ten he's won three or
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four last week In fact, on Tuesday, I was a half
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a million votes higher than him. I was a million
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votes higher than Marco, one million votes. That's
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a lot of votes and was by far in first place.
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So I keep hearing that he's the only one that
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can beat me, but he's getting beaten very, very
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badly. So where does this come from? Where does
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it come from? Go ahead, Senator Rubio. I would
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just say a couple of things. There is no doubt
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that Donald has done well in these elections.
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There's no doubt about that. The numbers are
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there. The numbers also say two -thirds of the
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people who have cast a vote in a Republican primary
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or caucus have voted against you. They do not
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want you to be our nominee. And the reason why
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is because we are not going to turn over the
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conservative movement or the party of Lincoln
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or Reagan, for example, to someone whose positions
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are not conservative. To someone who last week
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defended Planned Parenthood for 30 seconds on
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a debate stage. To someone, for example, that
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has no ideas on foreign... Someone who thinks
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the nuclear triad is a rock band from the 1980s.
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To someone... who time and again on issue after
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issue has not proven that he has the principles
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that outline what the conservative movement has
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been about, and as Ted said, the things that
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made America great. America is great because
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of the conservative principles of limited government
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and free enterprise and a strong national defense,
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and our nominee needs to be someone that stands
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by those things. Donald has not demonstrated
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that. Go ahead, Mr. Trump, and then we're going
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to have to go to Governor Niesek. Very nice words,
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but happens to be wrong. CNN just came out with
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a poll two days ago. A national poll, excuse
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me, a national poll, a national poll. where he's
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at 15, he's at 14, and I'm at 49. So when he
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says 75%, that would mean that 80 % of the people
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don't dig you, and I'm back down to 50. Of all
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the people on this stage, he performs the worst
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against Hillary Clinton. Wrong. I beat Hillary
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Clinton. I beat Hillary Clinton in many polls.
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I beat Hillary Clinton in many polls. Excuse
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me, I think I'm talking. I beat Hillary Clinton
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in many polls. Hold on, hold on, hold on. The
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audience cannot understand. when you're talking
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over each other. Finish your point, Mr. Trump.
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I beat Hillary Clinton in many polls. The Q poll
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just came out. I beat Hillary Clinton in a recent
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Fox poll. I beat Hillary Clinton in USA Today.
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I beat her today in a poll in Ohio. I'm the only
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one that beats Hillary Clinton. And I have not
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started on Hillary yet. Believe me, I will start
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soon. I haven't even started. Governor Kasem.
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Governor Kasich, today you admitted that you
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have a narrow path to the nomination through
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a contested convention. Today also Mitt Romney
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proposed that Republicans should vote for Senator
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Rubio in Florida. They should vote for you in
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Ohio. They should vote for Senator Cruz in states
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that he can beat Mr. Trump to prevent Mr. Trump
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from getting the nomination. So do you buy Romney's
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blueprint? And can you say tonight to your Florida
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supporters that they should vote for Senator
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Rubio? to get a contested convention. You know,
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this is so much about process. It frankly is
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boring to me. I would like it clear, though,
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since we're talking about polls, I beat Hillary
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Clinton by more than anybody, by 11 points. And
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the reason it happens... In one poll. You know,
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the reason is because, as the Democrats tell
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me all the time, I can get the crossover votes.
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You see, because throughout this campaign, I've
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talked about issues. i have never tried to go
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and get into these kind of scrums that we're
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seeing here on the stage and people say everywhere
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i go you seem to be the adult on the stage in
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terms of in terms of you know mitt romney's you
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know he's a great guy but he doesn't determine
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my strategy the fact of the matter is i'm running
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for president because i worked hard to fix this
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country when i was uh in washington as the chairman
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of the budget committee where we had some of
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the most significant job growth after we balanced
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the budget we had wages going up it was very
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successful in ohio our wages grow faster than
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the national average we're up over 400 000 jobs
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we paid down back in the old days they paid down
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a half a trillion dollars of the national debt
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it's a formula that works and i believe that
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formula will work when i return to washington
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as the president and by the way i won't need
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on -the -job training because i know how to do
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all of this and within the first hundred days
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i will have a plan that will pass the congress
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because it is reasonable and i can bring both
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sides together you say you say this is all about
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process but for voters they need to see a path
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to get to the nomination if they're going to
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support you. On Super Tuesday, you finished in
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single digits in 9 out of 11 states. So you can
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see that your path is through a contested convention.
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How do you get there? Well, Brett, I think we're
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all really there. I mean, the simple fact is
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that, you know, you all wrote me off. You wrote
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me off before I even got to New Hampshire. Then
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when I finished second in New Hampshire, you
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wrote me off in the South. Then you wrote me
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off in Super Tuesday. I split delegates in Vermont
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with Donald Trump. I finished second in... Massachusetts
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and we won delegates in Virginia but guess what
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it's now March Madness and we're heading up north
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to the to the place to my turf okay and let me
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just tell you this I will win Ohio and I am going
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to move all across this country and over time
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as people begin to finally hear my message you
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know what people say Brett to me all the time
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why don't they give you any time on the debate
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stage why is that so now all of a sudden I'm
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starting to get it and what I want the people
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to know is I know how to bring people together,
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Republicans and Democrats. I have successfully,
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both at the federal level and the state level,
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brought economic growth, wage growth and economic
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security. to this country and i want to go back
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and do it again and i'm going to keep talking
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about my message of bringing people together
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and motivating people in the neighborhoods to
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realize they don't need somebody from washington
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galloping in there are many things they can do
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where they live because the strength of our country
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is in our neighborhoods and our families and
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i'm going to keep doing this we want to focus
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now on the economy Which is one of the top issues
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on Facebook with 6 .6 million people discussing
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it online. A lot of that conversation is happening
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here in Detroit where the unemployment rate is
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10 .9%. That's more than double the national
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average. Senator Rubio, you have taken to calling
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Mr. Trump a con artist who portrays himself as
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a hero to working people while he's really been,
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in your words, sticking it to the American workers
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for 40 years. but he has built a big company
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that employs thousands of people. Question, how
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many jobs have you created? Well, first of all,
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government doesn't... First of all, Chris, my
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point is exactly right. He has spent a career
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convincing Americans that he's something that
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he's not in exchange for their money. Now he's
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trying to do the same in exchange for their country.
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This is a fact. He talks about these great businesses
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that he's built. He inherited over $100 million.
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And with that money, he's lost more money than
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he's made. He talks about how he wants to create
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jobs in America. He can start tonight by announcing
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that all the Donald J. Trump clothing will no
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longer be made in China and in Mexico, but will
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be made here in the United States. And on the
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issue of job creation, I find this interesting.
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The private sector creates jobs. The jobs of
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those of us in public service are to put in place
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policies that allow the economy to grow. That's
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the problem with the Democratic Party. They think
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government is what creates jobs. Government does
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not create jobs. Now, the way you create jobs
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is you make America the easiest and the best
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place in the world to start a business or to
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expand an existing business. If you go on my
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website, MarcoRubio .com, you will see a real
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plan to fix our taxes, to roll back regulations,
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to repeal and replace Obamacare. not just lines
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around the states, serious policies and proposals.
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Sir, Mr. Trump, I'd like you to respond. You
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have 30 seconds to respond. But as part of that,
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could you respond to his specific assertion about
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Trump collection clothes, which you say some
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of it is made in Mexico? This little guy has
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lied so much about my record. There we go. He
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is lying. Senator Rubio, why don't you let him
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say it? And I will tell you this. First of all,
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I got a call from my sister and brother tonight.
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And they said, we had no idea Dad gave you $200
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million. Believe me, I started off with $1 million.
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I built a company that's worth more than $10
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billion. And I say it not in a bragging way,
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but that's the kind of thinking we need. Very
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low debt, tremendous cash flow. My financials
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are all in there with the federal elections.
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You've seen them. Everybody's seen them. I say
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it only because that's the kind of thinking this
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country needs with $19 trillion in debt. Believe
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me. Wait one second. Specifically and quickly
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on the question, will you promise that you will
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and how soon will you move your clothing collection,
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the clothes that are made in China and Mexico?
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They devalue their currencies. I will do that.
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And by the way, I have been doing it more and
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more. But they devalue their currencies, in particular
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China. Mexico is doing a big number now also.
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Japan is unbelievable what they're doing. They
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devalue their currencies and they make it impossible
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for clothing makers in this country to do clothing
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in this country. And if you look at what's happened
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on 7th Avenue and you look at what's happened
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in New York with the garment industry, so much
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of the clothing now comes out from Vietnam, China
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and other places. And it's all because of...
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devaluation by the way the Trans -Pacific if
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you look at the TPP a total disaster or which
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by the way Marco is in favor of they need it
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is a disaster for our country it's trying to
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be approved by various people including President
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Obama and I'll tell you something the biggest
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problem with that is they they don't take into
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concurrence the devaluation thank you thank you
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mr trump senator rubio the answer is he's not
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going to do it and you know why because there
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are plenty of clothing makers in america if you
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go on my website marco rubio .com everything
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we have on there is made in america the reason
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why he makes it in china or mexico is because
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he can make more money on it that's why he's
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doing it and the second point you see what happens
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again when you challenge him on a policy issue
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you ask him about the economy and the first thing
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he does is launch an attack about some little
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guy because he doesn't have answers. And he's
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asking us to make him the president of the United
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States of America. I know what's happening with
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the economy. You don't know it. You haven't employed
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in your life one person. I've employed tens of
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thousands of people. You haven't employed one
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person. You ever heard of Trump Steaks? You know
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what? Take a look at Trump Steaks. By the way,
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that's the other thing. Trump Steaks is gone.
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You've ruined these companies. Mitt Romney came
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up with things that were false. Totally false.
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And now, the funny thing is, he didn't talk about
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the hundreds of really successful jobs, the buildings
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all over the world that have made a fortune.
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I have a policy question for you, sir. Let's
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see if he answers it. I will. Don't worry about
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it, Mark. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about
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it, little Marco. I will. Well, let's hear a
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big don. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about
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it, little Marco. Gentlemen. Gentlemen. You ought
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to show up in the Senate. Gentlemen, you've got
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to do better than those. This guy has the number
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one absentee record in the United States. I'd
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like to ask you a policy question. Your proposed
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tax cut. That's why the people in Florida do
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not like him. Mr. Trump, your proposed tax cut.
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would add $10 trillion to the nation's debt over
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10 years, even if the economy grows the way that
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you say it will. You insist that you could make
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up for a good deal of that, you say, by cutting
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waste, fraud, and abuse. Correct. Like what?
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And please be specific. Department of Education,
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we're cutting Common Core, we're getting rid
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of Common Core, we're bringing education locally.
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Department of Environmental Protection. We are
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going to get rid of it in almost every form.
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We're going to have little tidbits left, but
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we're going to take a tremendous amount out.
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We have various other things. If you look at
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the IRS, if you look at every single agency,
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we can cut it down. And I mean, really cut it
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down and say the waste, fraud and abuse is massive.
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Larry Kudlow. Great guy. Everybody respects him.
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Said my plan for taxes and tax cutting is the
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best by far of everybody. But Mr. Trump, Mr.
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Trump, your numbers don't add up. Please put
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up full screen number four. The education department,
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you talk about cutting. The total budget for
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the education department is $78 billion, and
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that includes Pell Grants for low -income students
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and aid to states for special education. I assume
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you wouldn't cut those things. The entire budget
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for the EPA, the Environmental Protection Agency,
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$8 billion. The deficit this year is $544 billion.
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That's more than a half trillion dollars. Your
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numbers don't add up, sir. Let me explain something.
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Because of the fact that the pharmaceutical companies
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are not mandated to bid properly. They have hundreds
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of billions of dollars in waste. We don't bid
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properly. We don't have proper bidding procedures.
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The reason we don't is because they take care
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of all of the senators, all of the congressmen,
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and they don't bid. They don't go out to bid.
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Take a look. Excuse me. You're talking about
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hundreds of billions of dollars if we went out
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to the proper bid. Of course you are. No, you're
22:19
not, sir. Let's put up full screen number two.
22:26
You say that Medicare could save $300 billion
22:30
a year negotiating lower drug prices, but Medicare
22:34
total only spends 78. billion dollars a year
22:39
on drugs. Sir, that's the facts. You're talking
22:41
about saving more money on Medicare. I'm saying
22:44
saving through negotiation throughout the economy,
22:47
you'll save $300 billion a year. And that's a
22:51
huge, of course it is. We're going to buy things
22:53
for less money. Of course it is. The only money
22:55
that we buy, the only drugs that we pay for is
22:58
through Medicare. I'm not only talking about
22:59
drugs, I'm talking about other things. We'll
23:01
save more than $300 billion a year if we properly
23:05
negotiate. We don't do that. We don't negotiate.
23:08
We don't negotiate anything. Can I... No, I promise
23:12
I'll get to you in a moment, sir. Senator Cruz,
23:14
one of the centerpieces of your campaign, in
23:16
fact, you mentioned it again tonight, is that
23:18
you will abolish the IRS. Question, though. Who
23:23
will collect the taxes that you're still calling
23:27
for? Who will oversee to make sure that people
23:31
pay the taxes that they rightfully owe? And who
23:34
will check... on the various tax deductions and
23:38
tax credits that you still want. So my simple
23:41
flat tax, I've rolled out in precise detail how
23:44
it will operate, where every American can fill
23:46
out our taxes on a postcard. And if you want
23:48
to actually see the postcard, see all the details,
23:51
you can find them on our website. It's tedcruz
23:53
.org. When we get rid of all the corporate welfare,
23:56
all the subsidies, all the carve -outs in the
23:59
IRS code. It dramatically simplifies it. And
24:02
under Obama, the IRS has become so corrupt and
24:05
so politicized, we need to abolish it altogether.
24:09
Now, at the end of that, there will still be
24:11
an office in the Treasury Department to receive
24:13
the postcards, but it will be dramatically simpler.
24:16
And let me take a moment, Chris, to go back to
24:18
this exchange that was going on. In between all
24:21
of the insults, let me point out the specificity
24:27
that was lacking. It's very easy to say, let's
24:29
cut. waste, fraud, and abuse. I've rolled out
24:32
a detailed plan to cut $500 billion in federal
24:36
spending, specifying exactly what I would cut.
24:38
It's easy to say it, but one of the great disconnects
24:43
to all the people, all of the voters, I understand
24:45
the folks who are supporting Donald right now.
24:47
You're angry. You're angry at Washington, and
24:50
he uses angry rhetoric. But for 40 years, Donald
24:56
has been part of the corruption in Washington
24:58
that you're angry about. And you're not going
25:02
to stop the corruption in Washington by supporting
25:06
someone who has supported liberal Democrats for
25:09
four decades, from Jimmy Carter to John Kerry
25:12
to Hillary Clinton. You're not going to stop
25:14
the corruption and the cronyism by supporting
25:17
someone who has used government power for private
25:21
gain. Instead, we need a president who stands
25:24
with the American people. Governor Kasich, I
25:26
promise I will get to you, but you do get 30
25:28
seconds to respond, Mr. Trump. All of a sudden
25:31
I hear for 40 years I've been involved in Washington
25:34
I have been supporting people for many years
25:37
and these people have been politicians and they've
25:39
been on both sides Democrats Republicans liberals
25:42
conservatives I've supported everybody because
25:45
until recently I wasn't a politician and I hope
25:49
Maybe you don't all consider me a politician
25:50
right now. I hate the term politician, but I've
25:53
been supporting politicians. A recent article
25:56
somewhere said Donald Trump is a world class
25:58
businessman who goes out and he does get along
26:01
with everybody. I've supported Democrats and
26:03
I've supported Republicans. And as a businessman,
26:06
I owe that to my company, to my family, to my
26:09
workers, to everybody to get along. Part of the
26:11
problem we have in Washington, Chris, is it's
26:13
total gridlock. Nobody gets along. We need people
26:16
to get along. We need to be able to get things
26:18
done. Mr. Governor Kasich, Democrats, as you
26:23
know, will make income inequality a big issue
26:25
in the general election. You support raising
26:28
the minimum wage, although you say not to the
26:31
$15 an hour that Democrats are talking about.
26:33
Mr. Trump opposes any increase because he says
26:36
it will price American workers out of the world
26:39
market. Is he wrong about that no increase in
26:42
the minimum wage? First of all, I didn't say
26:44
I was for an increase in the federal minimum
26:46
wage. I said in Ohio we increase it modestly
26:48
every single year. So I'm not for a federal minimum
26:51
wage increase. But you did talk about states
26:53
doing it. Well, if states want to do it, they
26:55
ought to sit down with business people and the
26:57
lawmakers and figure out what will work. But
26:59
hold on a second here with everything else. I'm
27:02
the only person on this stage who actually was
27:05
the chief architect of balancing the federal
27:07
budget. It's not a theory for me. It's not some,
27:12
you have to know how to put everything together.
27:15
And you know, I spent 10 years of my life to
27:17
get there, and I did not do that. Because I'm
27:20
worshiping at some balanced budget shrine. The
27:23
reason I did it is when you have common sense
27:25
regulations, lower taxes on individuals and businesses,
27:29
and you have a fiscal plan that makes sense,
27:32
the job creators will expand employment. And
27:35
what happened? When I was there, the jobs were
27:37
exploding. Bill Clinton's tried to take credit
27:40
for it. When I went to Ohio, we're up 400 ,000
27:43
jobs. It's the same formula. But it isn't easy.
27:46
I fought the entire Washington establishment
27:48
and won. Because when you balance a budget, you
27:51
must affect... every single thing, everything
27:55
in the federal government specifically. You cannot
27:58
get there with theories or broad statements,
28:00
and you have to be willing to take the heat.
28:03
In fact, I fought a Republican president who
28:05
I thought was not offering constructive proposals
28:08
to fix this economy. So when we talk about all
28:11
this, there's one person on this stage and one
28:14
person who's been a candidate for president in
28:17
either party. that restored economic strength,
28:20
growth, a balanced budget, paid down debt, cut
28:22
taxes, the things that people in this country
28:24
want. No theories, reality. Thank you, Governor.
28:28
Let's talk immigration for a little bit. Senator
28:32
Cruz, we'll start with you. You have repeatedly
28:34
touted how you have stood shoulder to shoulder
28:37
with Senator Jeff Sessions to fight illegal immigration
28:40
and amnesty. But Senator Sessions just endorsed
28:43
Donald Trump. If voters want Jeff Sessions -style
28:47
immigration policies, isn't their choice rather
28:49
clear? Yes, their choice is very clear. If you
28:53
look to the actual record, you know, Donald mentioned
28:56
a moment ago that he was just doing business
28:58
when he was writing checks to liberal Democrats.
29:00
But that's not, in fact, the checks he was writing.
29:02
Listen, we could all understand if you write
29:04
a check to a city commission because you're looking
29:06
for a zoning waiver on building a building. That
29:09
may be corrupt, but you could understand real
29:11
estate developers doing that. That's not what
29:14
Donald Trump did. Donald Trump supported Jimmy
29:16
Carter over Ronald Reagan. Donald Trump supported
29:19
John Kerry over George W. Bush. If you don't
29:22
like Obamacare, Donald Trump funded Harry Reid
29:26
and Nancy Pelosi taking over Congress to pass
29:29
Obamacare on immigration. If you don't like amnesty,
29:33
if you don't like the Gang of Eight, Donald Trump
29:35
funded five of the eight members of the Gang
29:37
of Eight $50 ,000. And let's talk about this
29:41
election. The choice Republican primary voters
29:43
are making is who is best prepared to stand up
29:45
to Hillary Clinton and beat Hillary Clinton.
29:48
Donald Trump has written checks to Hillary Clinton
29:50
not once, not twice, not three times, ten times.
29:54
And four of those checks... were not to her Senate
29:57
campaign. It wasn't that she was the New York
29:59
senator and it was a cost of doing business.
30:01
It was to her presidential campaign. Donald Trump
30:04
in 2008 wrote four checks to elect Hillary Clinton
30:08
as president. So I'd like to ask Donald, why
30:10
did you write checks to Hillary Clinton to be
30:12
president in 2008? It wasn't for business. And
30:15
how can you stand on a debate stage now with
30:18
her and say you don't think she should be president?
30:20
Actually, it was for business. It was. It was.
30:23
It was for business. I pride myself, including
30:25
outside of the United States. I'm doing almost
30:28
120 deals outside of the United States, which
30:31
I hope to be able to stop very soon and let my
30:33
children handle it. But we're doing many, many
30:34
deals outside of the United States. I support
30:37
politicians. 2008, I supported Hillary Clinton.
30:40
I supported many other people, by the way. And
30:42
that was because of the fact that I'm in business.
30:44
I did support very heavily Ronald Reagan. I also
30:47
supported George Bush, by the way. All right.
30:50
Mr. Trump. But what would you say to Hillary
30:53
Clinton on the day when you wrote her a check
30:55
in 2008, wrote her four checks? Let me tell you
30:57
something, Ted. The last person that Hillary
31:00
Clinton wants to face is Donald Trump. That I
31:03
can tell you. Hold on, hold on, we can do more
31:10
of this later. Mr. Trump, hi. Hello. How you
31:13
doing? Nice to be with you, Megan. Great to have
31:15
you here. You're looking well. As are you. Back
31:21
in January, you gave an off -the -record interview
31:23
to the New York Times. It was apparently audiotaped.
31:26
Now, a recent report in BuzzFeed, citing sources
31:28
at the Times, reports that in that interview
31:31
you expressed flexibility when it comes to your
31:35
immigration policy, specifically with respect
31:37
to your promise to deport the 11 million people
31:40
who are now living here illegally. You have suggested
31:43
that you may have expressed some flexibility
31:45
when it comes to the size of the wall. that you
31:48
want to build. But did you tell them specifically
31:51
that you are flexible when it comes to your deportation
31:54
plans? I don't know exactly what when you talk
31:56
about off the record. First of all, BuzzFeed,
31:59
they were the ones that said under no circumstances
32:01
will I run for president. And were they wrong?
32:04
But a lot of people said that. Then. I did have
32:07
a meeting with the editorial board of the New
32:09
York Times, a very nice meeting. Many of those
32:11
things were off the record, I think, at their
32:13
suggestion and my suggestion. And I think being
32:16
off the record is a very important thing. I think
32:18
it's a very, very powerful thing. And I will
32:20
say this. These three gentlemen have gone off
32:23
the record many times with reporters, and I think
32:25
they want to honor it. And I would always honor
32:27
that. I will say, though, in terms of immigration
32:31
and almost anything else, there always has to
32:33
be some, you know, tug and pull and deal. And,
32:37
you know, when I watched Ted stand on the Senate
32:39
floor, I had great respect for what he did. He
32:42
stood there for a day and a half or something.
32:44
In the meantime, what came of it? Nothing. You
32:47
have to be able to have some flexibility, some
32:50
negotiation. Now, sometimes you ask for more
32:54
than you want and you negotiate down to the point.
32:56
I may have discussed something like that with
32:58
the New York Times, but I would never release
33:00
off -the -record conversations. I don't think
33:02
it's fair, frankly, to do that to anybody. How
33:05
flexible are you on this issue? Not very flexible.
33:08
No, not very flexible. I give the example, I'm
33:12
going to build a wall. I'm the one that wants
33:14
the wall. I'm the one that can build the wall.
33:15
It's going to get built. And by the way, Mexico
33:19
is going to pay for the wall. I can tell you
33:21
that. Mexico is going to pay for the wall. But,
33:24
and I used an example, and this isn't necessarily
33:27
what was said, but whatever was said, the wall's
33:30
50 feet high. Is it going to be 45 feet or 45?
33:33
That could very well be. That could very well,
33:35
he wants it to be higher. That could very well
33:38
be. But there's always give and take. There's
33:41
always negotiation. And the best negotiator that
33:44
knows what he's doing will make a great deal.
33:47
But we need give and take in government. If you
33:49
don't have give and take, you're never going
33:52
to agree on anything. Senator Rubio, you not
33:55
only supported the failed immigration reform
33:58
effort through the Gang of Eight, but you're
34:00
still on record as favoring an eventual path
34:02
to citizenship for those who are here illegally.
34:05
And in addition, you favored in -state tuition.
34:08
for Florida illegal immigrants. You've been hitting
34:11
Mr. Trump hard on this flexibility discussion
34:14
with the New York Times, but his supporters might
34:16
say at least his opening stance was tough. Well,
34:20
first of all, let me say that on the issue of
34:22
the off the record, that's not up to the New
34:23
York Times. That's up to you, Donald. If tonight
34:25
you tell the New York Times to release the audio,
34:27
they will do it. And we can exactly see what
34:29
your true views are on immigration, because it
34:32
is a major issue in your campaign that you've
34:34
made a center issue. Now, as far as my record
34:36
on it is concerned, I absolutely want to solve
34:38
this issue. And I did the best we could in a
34:41
Senate that was controlled by Liberal Democrats
34:42
and Harry Reid in the hopes that the House, made
34:45
up of Conservatives, would take it up and make
34:47
it even stronger. And I said that repeatedly
34:49
at the time. I'm not just saying that now, I
34:51
said it throughout that process. We do need to
34:53
deal with this issue. When I'm president, it
34:56
will not be dealt with the way it was done in
34:57
the Senate. It'll be done first and foremost
34:59
by bringing illegal immigration under control
35:02
and proving it to the American people. And only
35:04
after that is done can anything else happen.
35:07
And it will be something the American people
35:08
support. We'll see what they're willing to support.
35:11
It's not going to be an executive order, and
35:12
we're not going to ram it down their throats.
35:14
Mr. Trump, I'll let you respond, but will you
35:16
release the tapes? Will you authorize the Times
35:18
to release the tapes? I will say one thing. What
35:19
Marco said is, I understand it. He's talking
35:22
about a little give and take and a little negotiation.
35:24
And you know what? That's okay. That's not the
35:26
worst thing in the world. There's nothing wrong
35:28
with that. I happen to be much stronger on illegal
35:31
immigration. Sheriff Joe Arpaio endorsed me,
35:34
and if he endorses you, believe me, you are the
35:36
strongest from Arizona. But give and take is
35:39
okay, and I thought what he said is okay. We
35:41
may differ on the degree, but what he said to
35:45
me is okay. Will you release the tape, authorize
35:47
the time? No, I never do that. I would not do
35:49
that. I don't think—I have too much respect.
35:52
If I deal with you off the record, if I deal
35:54
with Brett or Chris off the record, I have too
35:56
much respect for that process to say, just release
35:59
everything. I would not do that. Okay, stand
36:02
by. We're going to continue this right after
36:03
the break. We have more. Coming up, more with
36:05
Megan. Now to the questions. Mr. Trump, your
36:11
campaign website to this day. argues that more
36:14
visas for highly skilled workers would, quote,
36:17
decimate American workers. However, at the CNBC
36:20
debate, you spoke enthusiastically in favor of
36:23
these visas. So which is it? I'm changing. I'm
36:26
changing. We need highly skilled people in this
36:28
country. And if we can't do it, we'll get them
36:31
in. But, but, and we do need in Silicon Valley.
36:34
We absolutely have to have. So we do need highly
36:37
skilled. And one of the biggest problems we have
36:39
is people go to the best colleges. They'll go
36:41
to Harvard. They'll go to Stanford. They'll go
36:43
to Wharton. As soon as they're finished, they
36:45
get shoved out. They want to stay in this country.
36:47
They want to stay here desperately. They're not
36:50
able to stay here. For that purpose, we absolutely
36:52
have to be able to keep the brainpower in this
36:55
country. You are abandoning the position on your
36:58
website. I'm changing it and I'm softening the
37:00
position because we have to have talented people
37:02
in this country. And you're not releasing the
37:05
discussion with the New York Times behind closed
37:07
doors. That is correct. Which will have some
37:08
asking whether on your immigration policies,
37:11
you are really just playing to people's fantasies,
37:13
which is a tactic you praised in your book, The
37:15
Art of the Deal. I'm not playing to anybody's
37:17
fantasies. I'm playing to the fact that our country
37:19
is in trouble, that we have a tremendous problem
37:22
with crime. The border is a disaster. It's like
37:25
a piece of Swiss. cheese and we're going to stop
37:27
it. We're going to stop people from coming into
37:29
our country illegally. We're going to stop it.
37:32
Senator Cruz, not long ago you proposed quintupling
37:36
the number of these foreign worker visas. After
37:39
you announced for president, you reversed yourself,
37:42
citing reports that the program was being abused.
37:44
But that abuse had been around long before year
37:47
180. In fact, it was so bad just a few months
37:50
earlier that a bipartisan group of senators called
37:52
for an investigation and you declined to join
37:54
them. Isn't it a good thing that the American
37:56
public didn't trust Ted on that one? Well, the
38:00
abuse of the H -1B program has been rampant,
38:02
and in the face of that H -1B abuse, I have proposed
38:06
and promised as president that I will impose
38:08
a 180 -day moratorium on the H -1B program to
38:12
implement a comprehensive investigation and audit
38:15
because you've got U .S. companies that are firing
38:17
American workers, bringing in foreign workers,
38:20
and forcing them to train their replacements.
38:22
And I would note that is not dissimilar. to what
38:25
we discovered at the last debate concerning the
38:28
hotel that Donald owns down in Florida. Down
38:31
in Florida, that hotel has brought in hundreds
38:33
of foreign workers. And afterwards, it was really
38:37
striking. I watched a CNN interview Donald did
38:39
where he explained, he said, well, the problem
38:41
is you can't find Americans who are qualified
38:44
or who want to work as waiters and waitresses.
38:47
Now, let me ask the people here, how many people
38:49
here have worked as a waiter or waitress? millions
38:55
across this country that is an astonishing statement
38:58
you know Marco's dad started as a bartender my
39:00
dad started washing dishes and yet you know how
39:03
many Americans wanted those jobs roughly 300
39:05
applied Donald hired 17 and that's why this New
39:10
York Times tape is so troubling because what's
39:12
been reported is that Donald told the editorial
39:14
board of the New York Times What I'm saying on
39:17
immigration, I don't believe. I'm not going to
39:19
build a wall. I'm not going to deport people.
39:21
This is all just rhetoric for the voters. Now,
39:23
if he didn't say that, he has an easy solution.
39:26
Simply release the tape. But for everyone at
39:29
home who's mad at politicians who lied to us,
39:33
Donald's record right now, as he's standing here,
39:36
his record right now is one of repeatedly hiring
39:40
illegal aliens and abusing American workers.
39:42
First of all, I've had tens of thousands of people
39:47
working for me, most of which almost 98, 97,
39:51
98 % of the people in this country, from this
39:54
country. I'm very proud of it. You have a club
39:57
in Palm Beach, Florida called the Mar -a -Lago
39:59
Club. It's a very, very successful club. It has
40:01
a very short season. It's called The Season.
40:04
And it goes from November till March. It's a
40:07
few months, five months at the most. People don't
40:10
want a short -term job. They don't want. and
40:15
we will send the people out. All done legally,
40:17
all done with a process that's approved by government,
40:20
100 % approved. We bring people in, we bring
40:23
them out. When we can, we hire people from Palm
40:25
Beach or West Palm Beach. But we bring people
40:28
in, we bring them out, we want to hire as many
40:30
Americans as we can. But they don't want part
40:33
-time, very short part -time jobs. Thank you.
40:36
That's not accurate. I'm sorry, Megan. That's
40:38
not accurate. There were at least 300 Americans
40:41
that applied last year. None of them were hired.
40:43
Wrong. It's wrong. They were not hired. And here's
40:46
why he does it this way. Let me explain why he
40:47
doesn't hire his MH -2B. Because when you bring
40:49
him in this way, when you bring someone in from
40:51
abroad on one of these visas... They can't go
40:53
work for anybody else. They either work for you
40:55
or they have to go back home. You basically have
40:57
them captive. So you don't have to worry about
40:59
competing for higher wages with another hotel
41:01
down the street. And that's why you bring workers
41:03
from abroad. You argue that you're here to fight
41:05
on behalf of the American worker, but when you
41:07
have chances to help the American workers, you're
41:10
making your clothes overseas and you're hiring
41:12
your workers from overseas. Go ahead, sir. The
41:17
other hotels during the season, they do the same
41:19
thing. They take in a lot of people because you
41:22
can't get them. They take in a lot of people.
41:24
Long -term employees, we don't do that. But short
41:26
-term employees, we have no choice but to do
41:28
it. And other hotels in that very, very hot area.
41:31
It is a very hot area. It is very, very hard
41:34
to get people. But other hotels do the exact
41:37
same thing. Just so you understand, just again,
41:39
this is a legal process. This is a procedure.
41:42
It's part of the law. I take advantage of that.
41:45
There's nothing wrong with it. We have no choice.
41:47
Donald, you could resolve this issue very quickly
41:49
by simply releasing the New York Times tape.
41:53
Because, listen, maybe it's right that you didn't
41:55
tell them you're misleading the American people.
41:57
The tapes were not on the subject. If you didn't
42:00
tell them that, the tapes will prove you're innocent.
42:02
But if, in fact, you went to Manhattan and said,
42:05
I'm lying to the American people, then the voters
42:08
have a right to know. No, no, you're the liar.
42:09
You're the lying guy up here. You're the one.
42:12
You're the one. Release the thing. You're the
42:14
one. Now, let me just tell you. What are you
42:15
hiding in the tank? Excuse me. I've given my
42:17
answer, Lion Ted. I've given my answer. All right,
42:20
let's leave it at that. Let's leave it at that.
42:22
We have more to get to. Gentlemen, the next topic
42:24
to discuss is terrorism. Senator Rubio, ISIS
42:28
is a big topic of conversation on Facebook. We
42:31
have a map that shows the conversation about
42:33
ISIS around the country. You propose sending
42:37
a larger number of American ground troops to
42:40
help defeat ISIS in Syria and Iraq. But military
42:43
commanders... say the biggest ISIS threat to
42:46
Europe in particular now is coming from Libya,
42:49
not Syria. So just to be clear, if you're for
42:52
putting more U .S. ground troops in Iraq and
42:55
Syria, are you also ready to send U .S. ground
42:57
troops on the ground in Libya? Well, Brett, what
43:00
I've argued from the very beginning is ISIS,
43:01
in order to defeat ISIS, you must deny them operating
43:04
spaces. This is how ISIS or any radical group,
43:06
for that matter, can grow. It's how al -Qaeda
43:08
was able to carry out 9 -11. is that the Taliban
43:11
gave them an operating space in Afghanistan.
43:13
Today, that operating space has largely been
43:15
based in Iraq and Syria, but I've been warning
43:17
about the Libyan presence. for the better part
43:19
of two years. So they need to be targeted wherever
43:21
they have an operating space. They do need to
43:23
be defeated on the ground by a ground force made
43:26
up primarily of Sunni Arabs themselves. This
43:28
is a radical Sunni movement. They can only be
43:31
defeated if they are driven out and the territories
43:33
held by Sunni Arabs. But it will require a significant
43:36
number of American special operators in combination
43:39
with an increase in airstrikes. And that will
43:42
include, if necessary, operating spaces in Libya,
43:45
which, in fact, they are using to project into
43:47
the Sinai against Egypt and ultimately into Europe
43:50
as well. Governor Kasich, would you put ground
43:52
troops in Libya? Well, first of all, just to
43:55
be clear, not only did I serve for 18 years on
43:58
the Defense Committee, more than anybody on this
44:00
stage, but secondly, I was called into the Pentagon
44:02
after 9 -11 to help Secretary Rumsfeld with some
44:05
of his difficulties. I will say, look, let me
44:08
tell you what happened with Libya, and I pointed
44:09
out in the last debate. Hillary Clinton worked
44:12
aggressively to depose Muammar Gaddafi. We had
44:16
no business doing it. He was working with us.
44:18
He was cooperating with us. He denuclearized.
44:21
And now they pushed him out, and now we have
44:24
a fertile ground for ISIS. Fortunately, in Libya,
44:27
there's only a few cities on the coast because
44:29
most of Libya is a desert. The fact of the matter
44:32
is we absolutely have to be, and not just with
44:35
special forces. I mean, that's not going to work.
44:37
Come on, you've got to go back to the invasion
44:39
when we pushed Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait.
44:42
We have to be there on the ground in significant
44:44
numbers. We do have to include our Muslim Arab
44:47
friends to work with us on that. And we have
44:50
to be in the air. And it should be a broad coalition
44:53
made up of the kinds of people that were involved
44:55
when we defeated Saddam. Now, you've got to be
44:58
on the ground and in the air both in Syria and
45:01
Iraq. And at some point, we will have to deal
45:03
with Libya. I am very concerned about ISIS getting
45:06
their hands on the oil fields in Libya and being
45:08
able to fund their operations. The fact is, cool,
45:12
calm, deliberate, effective, take care of the
45:16
job and then come home. That's what we need to
45:19
do with our military foreign policy. Mr. Trump,
45:23
just yesterday, almost 100 foreign policy experts
45:28
signed on to an open letter refusing to support
45:31
you, saying you're embracing EXPANSIVE USE OF
45:35
TORTURE IS INEXCUSABLE. GENERAL MICHAEL HAYDEN,
45:38
FORMER CIA DIRECTOR, NSA DIRECTOR, AND OTHER
45:40
EXPERTS HAVE SAID THAT WHEN YOU ASK THE U .S.
45:42
MILITARY TO CARRY OUT SOME OF YOUR CAMPAIGN PROMISES,
45:46
SPECIFICALLY TARGETING TERRORIST FAMILIES AND
45:49
ALSO THE USE OF INTERROGATION METHODS MORE EXTREME
45:52
THAN WATERBOARDING, THE MILITARY WILL REFUSE
45:54
BECAUSE THEY 'VE BEEN TRAINED TO TURN DOWN AND
45:57
REFUSE ILLEGAL ORDERS. So what would you do as
46:01
commander -in -chief if the U .S. military refused
46:03
to carry out those orders? They won't refuse.
46:06
They're not going to refuse me. Believe me. But
46:08
they're illegal. Let me just tell you. You look
46:10
at the Middle East. They're chopping off heads.
46:13
They're chopping off the heads of Christians
46:15
and anybody else that happens to be in the way.
46:18
They're drowning people in steel cages. And now
46:21
we're talking about waterboarding. This really
46:24
started with Ted. A question was asked of Ted.
46:27
last two debates ago about waterboarding. And
46:30
Ted was, you know, having a hard time with that
46:32
question, to be totally honest with you. They
46:34
then came to me, what do you think of waterboarding?
46:36
I said, it's fine. And if we want to go stronger,
46:38
I'd go stronger too. Because frankly, that's
46:41
the way I feel. Can you imagine, can you imagine
46:45
these people, these animals over in the Middle
46:48
East that chop off heads, sitting around talking
46:51
and seeing that we're having a hard problem with
46:54
waterboarding? We should go for waterboarding
46:56
and we should go tougher than waterboarding.
46:58
But targeting terrorist families? I'm a leader.
47:03
I'm a leader. I've always been a leader. I've
47:05
never had any problem leading people. If I say
47:09
do it, they're going to do it. That's what leadership
47:11
is all about. Even targeting terrorist families?
47:14
Well, look. you know when a family uh flies into
47:18
the world trade center a man flies into the world
47:20
trade center and his family gets sent back to
47:22
where they were going and i think most of you
47:25
know where they went and by the way it wasn't
47:26
iraq but they went back to a certain territory
47:29
they knew what was happening the wife knew exactly
47:32
what was happening they left two days earlier
47:34
with respect to the world trade center and they
47:37
went back to where they went And they watched
47:39
their husband on television flying into the World
47:41
Trade Center, flying into the Pentagon, and probably
47:44
trying to fly into the White House, except we
47:46
had some very, very brave souls on that third
47:49
plane. All right? Senator Cruz, you have no problem
47:52
with it. Ted Cruz. Brett, you know, I think the
47:57
American people understand that yelling and cursing
48:00
at people doesn't make you a tough guy. We need
48:03
a commander -in -chief. That number one will
48:06
rebuild the military, just like Ronald Reagan
48:08
did in 1981, coming out of the weak Jimmy Carter
48:10
administration. He passed tax reform and regulatory
48:13
reform. The economy took off. It generated millions
48:16
in high -paying jobs, trillions in new revenue.
48:19
He rebuilt the military, bankrupted the Soviet
48:22
Union, and won the Cold War. As president...
48:25
I will do the exact same thing with radical Islamic
48:28
terrorism. We will rebuild this military so that
48:31
it remains the mightiest fighting force on the
48:33
face of the planet. And then when I am commander
48:36
in chief, every militant on the face of the earth
48:39
will understand that if they go and join ISIS,
48:42
if they wage jihad against the United States
48:44
of America, they are signing their death warrant.
48:49
Senator Cruz, in 2013, you said you were open.
48:53
You were open to the possibility that Edward
48:55
Snowden had performed a considerable public service,
48:59
you said back then, in revealing certain aspects
49:01
of the NSA procedures. Many of your colleagues
49:04
in the Senate, including Senator Rubio, called
49:07
him a traitor. It took you until January of this
49:09
year to call him a traitor and say he should
49:12
be tried for treason. Why the change of heart
49:15
and why did it take you so long? Well, Brett,
49:17
as someone who spent much of his life in law
49:19
enforcement, I believe you should start with
49:21
the facts and evidence first before ending up
49:22
with the verdict. When the news first broke of
49:25
the United States government engaging in massive
49:28
surveillance on American citizens, that was a
49:30
very troubling development, and it's why the
49:32
United States Congress acted to correct it. Now,
49:35
at the same time, I said in that initial statement
49:38
that if the evidence indicated that Edward Snowden
49:41
violated the law, he should be prosecuted for
49:43
violating the law. And indeed, since then, the
49:46
evidence is clear that not only did Snowden violate
49:48
the law, but it appears he committed treason.
49:51
Treason is defined under the Constitution as
49:53
giving aid and comfort to the enemies of America.
49:56
And what Snowden did... made it easier for terrorists
49:59
to avoid detection. And Snowden's comments afterwards
50:02
and his behavior afterwards, he fled to Russia,
50:05
he fled to China. His conducts afterwards indicates
50:08
that he was not a whistleblower, but instead
50:10
he was undermining the ability to defend this
50:13
country. But we need a president who isn't rash,
50:15
who doesn't just pop off at the hip, but waits
50:18
to see what the facts are and then acts to defend
50:20
this country. Mr. Trump, you've repeatedly deflected
50:26
calls for specific national security or defense
50:29
policy plans with the claim that you'll ask the
50:32
best people when you become president and take
50:35
their advice. So who are the best people? Can
50:37
you reveal two or three names that you trust
50:40
for national security? I think Richard Haass
50:43
is excellent. I have a lot of respect for him.
50:45
I think General Kane is excellent. I think that
50:48
I like Colonel Jacobs very much. I see him. I
50:52
know him. I have many people that I think are
50:55
really excellent, but in the end, it's going
50:56
to be my decision. When you just asked the question
50:59
about Snowden, I will tell you, right from the
51:02
beginning, I said he was a spy, and we should
51:05
get him back. And if Russia respected our country,
51:08
they would have sent him back immediately. But
51:10
he was a spy. It didn't take me a long time to
51:13
figure that one out, believe me. But I would
51:16
get the best people, people that I'd be comfortable
51:18
with, and we will do the right thing. Brett,
51:21
it's very interesting to note. I think it's for
51:23
the good of the record here that they took a
51:25
survey of foreign policy magazines, 700 foreign
51:28
policy experts. Who would be the best person
51:30
to conduct foreign policy of all the candidates
51:33
in the race? I received 55 percent of the vote.
51:36
Jeb Bush received 30 percent of the vote. and
51:39
everybody else, none of them made double digits.
51:41
And that's because you have to have the experience.
51:44
And, you know, we hear about Ronald Reagan rebuilding
51:46
the military. I was there when Ronald Reagan
51:49
rebuilt the military. I worked with him. I was
51:52
there when Ronald Reagan rebuilt the economy.
51:54
I was there, and I worked with him. I knew Ronald
51:57
Reagan. And I'll leave it right there with what
52:00
comes after that. You can figure that one out.
52:02
Governor Kasich, thank you. We're going to have
52:05
more Quest break in a minute. Mr. Trump. One
52:11
of the things people love about you is they believe
52:13
you tell it like it is. But time and time again
52:16
in this campaign, you have actually told the
52:19
voters one thing only to reverse yourself within
52:21
weeks or even sometimes days. We've teed up just
52:25
three examples in a videotape similar to those
52:27
we used with Senator Rubio and Senator Cruz in
52:31
the last debate. The first is on whether the
52:34
war in Afghanistan was a mistake. Watch. What
52:37
about in Afghanistan? Do you believe that American
52:39
boots should stay on the ground in Afghanistan
52:41
to stabilize the situation? We made a terrible
52:44
mistake getting a second after they leave. Iraq
52:51
was going to collapse after we leave. About Afghanistan.
52:53
You said we made a terrible mistake getting involved
52:56
there in the first place. We made a mistake going
52:58
into Iraq. I've never said we made a mistake
53:01
going into Afghanistan. Our question was about
53:02
Afghanistan. That day on October 6th was about
53:04
Afghanistan. Okay, it wouldn't matter. I'd never
53:07
said it. Next, on whether we should accept the
53:10
Syrian refugees. Should I respond to that first?
53:11
Two more and then you'll have the floor. Next,
53:13
on whether we should accept the Syrian refugees.
53:15
Should be here a long time. On whether we should
53:17
accept the Syrian refugees. Do you object to
53:20
migrants who are getting out of the Middle East
53:23
and North Africa? Do you object to them coming
53:25
to the USA? I hate the concept of it, but on
53:29
a humanitarian basis with what's happening, you
53:32
have to. It's living in hell in Syria. There's
53:34
no question about it. They're living in hell.
53:36
Are you saying absolutely People from Syria,
53:39
the Middle East, should we allow any of them
53:41
into this country? Look, from a humanitarian
53:44
standpoint, I'd love to help, but we have our
53:46
own problems. We have so many problems that we
53:49
have to solve. Most recently, on whether President
53:52
George W. Bush lied to get us into the Iraq war.
53:56
They lied. They said there were weapons of mass
53:59
destruction, there were none, and they knew there
54:01
were none. I don't know if he lied or not. He
54:03
could have lied. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
54:06
I guess you'd have to ask him. And there are
54:09
many other examples. So how is any of this telling
54:12
it like it is? Well, in Afghanistan, I did mean
54:14
Iraq. I think you have to stay in Afghanistan
54:15
for a while because of the fact that you're right
54:18
next to Pakistan, which has nuclear weapons,
54:20
and we have to protect that. Nuclear weapons
54:22
change the game. And I was always against going
54:25
into Iraq. In fact, believe me, I was always
54:28
against it. There were some cases where I sort
54:31
of, in one interview with a great friend of mine,
54:33
and yours, Howard Stern, said that... I said
54:39
very meekly, long before we went in, I said very
54:42
meekly, well, maybe, maybe, I don't know. By
54:45
the time it got to that point, I was always against
54:47
Iraq. But Afghanistan, I felt, and in that one,
54:50
if you notice, I corrected it the second day.
54:53
Okay? Second question? There are several examples,
54:56
Mr. Trump. We went through the Afghanistan being
54:58
a mistake. Within one day, you reversed yourself
55:01
on Syrian refugees. Let me explain that. You're
55:03
right. Let me explain. First time the question
55:06
had been put to me, it was very early on, the
55:08
migration had just started, and I had heard that
55:11
the number was a very, very small number. By
55:13
the second day, two or three days later, I heard
55:15
the number was going to be thousands and thousands
55:18
of people. You know, when they originally heard
55:20
about it, they were talking about bringing very,
55:21
very small numbers in. And I said, begrudgingly,
55:24
well, I guess maybe that's okay. It was not like,
55:28
let's bring them in. because I think we should
55:30
build a safe zone. Really, what we should be
55:33
doing is building safe zones so they can stay
55:35
in their own country and not go all over. And
55:38
at least this way, we're not going to have the
55:39
problem. That's what we have to do. But just
55:42
to say, because I fully understand what you're
55:44
asking, when I first heard the question, first
55:46
time the question was ever asked to me, first
55:48
time I really had known about the question, the
55:50
migration had just started, I was very much like,
55:54
okay. by the time i went back and studied it
55:57
and they they were talking about bringing thousands
55:59
and thousands i changed my tune and i don't think
56:02
there's anything wrong with that but the point
56:03
i'm going for is you change your tune on so many
56:06
things and that has some people saying what is
56:09
his core megan i have a very strong call i have
56:13
a very strong But I've never seen a successful
56:17
person who wasn't flexible, who didn't have a
56:20
certain degree of flexibility. You have to have
56:23
a certain degree of flexibility. You can't, for
56:26
instance, let's say on the second question, you
56:29
can't say it's okay and then you find out it's
56:32
not okay and you don't want to do anything. You
56:34
have to be flexible because you learn. Before
56:37
I knew the question was asked by Bill and the
56:40
next day or the couple of days later The question
56:43
was asked by by you know, I was asked by a number
56:45
of people actually I was asked by Sean But I
56:48
was asked by a number of people But by that time,
56:50
the number had increased significantly. Sean
56:52
was the next day after Bill. The next day. But
56:55
I had learned. I mean, nobody had ever asked
56:57
me the question. This was brand new. But I really
56:59
mean it. You have to show a degree of flexibility.
57:02
If you're going to be one way and you think it's
57:05
wrong, does that mean the rest of your life you
57:07
have to go in the wrong direction because you
57:08
don't want to change? I did 200 meetings in New
57:17
Hampshire. I don't know how many in Michigan
57:19
now. And in these town halls, people come in,
57:21
and they're very emotional meetings. And you
57:23
know what they really want to know? If somebody
57:25
tells them something, can they believe it? And
57:28
the reason why people are so upset in this country
57:31
is because politicians all the time tell them
57:34
what they want to hear, and they go to Washington
57:36
or they go to the state capitol, wherever, and
57:40
they don't deliver on those promises. You know,
57:42
when I ran for governor of Ohio, I said not only
57:44
would we balance the budget, but we would cut
57:46
taxes. People said it can't be done. I wouldn't
57:48
have said it if I didn't believe it. We cut taxes
57:51
in Ohio more than any governor in the country,
57:53
$5 billion worth of tax cuts. We are now running
57:57
a surplus in Ohio. But you see, what's getting
58:00
in the hearts and souls of people is they want
58:03
change, and they keep putting outsiders in to
58:07
bring about the change. Then the change doesn't
58:09
come. Then they put more outsiders in. because
58:12
we're putting people in that don't understand
58:14
compromise, they don't understand policy, and
58:16
people are getting more and more frustrated with
58:19
the system, which is why we must pick somebody
58:21
that has a record of achievement, not just talk,
58:25
not just talk, but a record of achievement. That's
58:27
how we'll restore credibility. This is not just
58:28
about flexibility. There's a difference between
58:31
flexibility and telling people whatever you think
58:33
you need to say to get them to do what you want
58:35
them to do. And that's what Donald has done throughout
58:38
his career. Well, he did. That's why Trump University
58:40
is so relevant here. I saw this video last week
58:43
where he's sitting in front of a camera saying,
58:45
we're going to hire the best people and I'm going
58:47
to handpick them. And they're going to be handpicked
58:49
instructors, the best instructors in the world.
58:50
One of them, by the way, was a manager at a Buffalo
58:52
Wild Wing. And that's who they hired to do this.
58:55
And people borrowed money and they signed up
58:57
for this fake university. And these people owe
59:00
all of us money now, and they got nothing in
59:02
return for it, but you were willing to say whatever
59:04
you had to say to get them to give you their
59:06
money. We're not going to do that to our country.
59:08
By the way, just so you understand, this is a
59:12
case I could have settled very easily, but I
59:14
don't settle cases very easily when I'm right.
59:16
98 % approval rating. We have an A from the Better
59:20
Business Bureau. We have a 98 % approval rating
59:22
of people that took the course. We have an A
59:25
from the Better Business Bureau, and people like
59:28
it. He's saying that he learned. We have many,
59:31
many people that will be witnesses. Again, I
59:33
don't settle cases. I don't do it because that's
59:35
why I don't get sued very often, because I don't
59:37
settle, unlike a lot of other people. We have
59:40
a situation where we will win in court. But many
59:43
of the people that are witnesses did tremendously
59:45
well and made a lot of money by taking the course.
59:49
Go ahead, Senator. You're going to see. You're
59:50
going to see. You don't know. Go ahead. It's
59:52
Senator Rubio. No, no. It's wrong. No, no. Before
59:55
they had the information. Go on my website, MarcoRubio
59:57
.com. Before they had the information. Wait,
59:59
wait. Senator Rubio. Senator Rubio, stand by.
1:00:01
Let him finish his point quickly. Once they had
1:00:03
the information, it is right now an A. Once they
1:00:06
had the information, it got switched. The only
1:00:09
reason it was a D was because we didn't care,
1:00:12
we didn't give them the information. When they
1:00:13
got the information, it became an A. With respect,
1:00:18
we went back and looked at this. The rating from
1:00:21
the Better Business Bureau was a D minus. That's
1:00:24
the last publicly available rating. In 2010,
1:00:27
and it was a result of the number of complaints
1:00:29
they had received. But it was elevated to an
1:00:30
A. It was never elevated. That's never been publicly
1:00:33
released. It was elevated to an A. I could give
1:00:34
it to you. I will give it to you. I will give
1:00:36
it to you tomorrow. Let's just bring the viewers
1:00:37
up to speed. Let's just bring the viewers up
1:00:38
to speed. It was elevated to an A. Let me just
1:00:40
set the record, and then you guys can have at
1:00:42
it. There was Trump University, which was a business
1:00:44
that you started. And it was marketed to many
1:00:46
people. And now there is a class action of over
1:00:49
5 ,000 plaintiffs against you, Mr. Trump. And
1:00:52
it involves veterans, and it involves teachers.
1:00:55
all so -called little guys, working class and
1:00:58
lower working class and middle class, who say
1:01:01
that they were fleeced, who say it was a scam.
1:01:03
The class has been certified, and in that case...
1:01:07
You countersued the lead plaintiff, alleging
1:01:09
that you were being defamed. That case was thrown
1:01:12
out against her. The lead plaintiff is now getting
1:01:14
out of the case because it's so bad for her.
1:01:17
But what happened was— Excuse me. The lead plaintiff
1:01:20
signed a letter saying how great it was and is
1:01:22
on tape saying how great it was. Okay, but stand
1:01:24
by. But what happened in that case was— You countersued
1:01:29
her. The court threw out your countersuit and
1:01:31
made you pay almost $800 ,000 in legal fees of
1:01:33
hers. And you made this same argument about 98
1:01:36
% of the people being happy with Trump University.
1:01:39
And that woman in particular signing a survey
1:01:41
saying she liked it while someone was standing
1:01:43
over her shoulder. She's getting out of the case.
1:01:44
She's trying to get out of the case now because
1:01:46
her case doesn't hold up. Stand by. This is what
1:01:48
the Court of Appeals found. They said that the
1:01:50
plaintiffs against you are like the Madoff victims.
1:01:53
Oh, give me a proof. This is what the Court of
1:01:55
Appeal said. Give me a proof. They found that
1:01:57
victims of con artists often sing the praises
1:02:00
of their victimizers until they realize they
1:02:03
have been fleeced. You know what? Let's see what
1:02:05
happens in court. This is a civil case. Very
1:02:08
easy to have settled. Could settle it now. Very
1:02:10
easy to have settled. This is civil. Let's see
1:02:13
what happens at the end of a couple of years
1:02:14
when this case is over. It's been going for five
1:02:16
years. Yeah, it's been going for a long time.
1:02:19
Go ahead, Senator. I spoke to one of the people
1:02:20
yesterday. I spoke to one of the victims yesterday.
1:02:23
One. One of the victims. This gentleman. No,
1:02:24
there's several. Obviously, there's so many,
1:02:26
I can't talk to them every day. I spoke to one
1:02:28
of them yesterday. They told me exactly what
1:02:29
happened. They signed up for this course because
1:02:31
they believe Mr. Trump was this fantastic businessman
1:02:34
that Donald's going to teach him all the tricks
1:02:35
of the trade. They signed up. They paid $15 ,000
1:02:39
for this course. They were asked for additional
1:02:41
money for this course. If they really wanted
1:02:43
the real secrets of success, they had to pay
1:02:45
even more money. And so they did. And you know
1:02:47
what they got in these courses? Stuff you can
1:02:49
pull off of Zillow. When they finally realized
1:02:52
what a scam it was, they asked for their money
1:02:54
back, and you refused to give them their money
1:02:56
back. You gave many people their money back.
1:02:57
Then why don't you tonight say you're going to
1:02:59
give them money back? Let me just see. Okay,
1:03:01
Senator Rubio, let him answer. Let him answer.
1:03:04
Go ahead, Mr. Trump. We will see who's right
1:03:05
at the end of a few years. But all of the people,
1:03:08
almost all of the people, many, many people signed
1:03:11
what's called a report card at the end. Did you
1:03:12
like the course? How did you like it? Almost
1:03:14
all of them said it was terrific, okay? With
1:03:17
letters, with this. Some of them are on tape
1:03:19
saying it was terrific. Let's see what happens
1:03:22
at the end of three years. With respect, Mr.
1:03:24
Trump, one -third of the plaintiffs in that case
1:03:25
demanded refunds. So it's not the case that 98
1:03:28
% were pleased with what they got. I gave some
1:03:30
refunds to people. Because if they asked for
1:03:32
the refunds at a certain period of time, and
1:03:34
we gave refunds to people. But let's see what
1:03:37
happens at the end of three years. Let's see
1:03:39
who's right. It's still a pending litigation.
1:03:42
It's called pending litigation. Megan, this is
1:03:44
why this is relevant to this election. All right,
1:03:46
Senator Rubio, then Senator Cruz. This is why,
1:03:47
because he's trying to do to the American voter
1:03:49
what he did to the people that signed up for
1:03:51
this course. He's making promises he has no intention
1:03:54
of keeping. And it won't just be $36 ,000 that
1:03:57
they lose. It's our country that's at stake here.
1:04:00
The future of the United States in the most important
1:04:02
election in a generation. And he is trying to
1:04:04
con people into giving them their vote, just
1:04:06
like he conned these people into giving them
1:04:08
their money. Let me tell you, the real con artist.
1:04:10
Excuse me. Excuse me. The real con artist is
1:04:15
Senator Marco Rubio, who was elected in Florida
1:04:18
and who has the worst voting record in the United
1:04:21
States Senate. He doesn't go to vote. He's absent.
1:04:24
He doesn't go. Now, the people of Florida can't
1:04:27
stand him. He couldn't get elected dog catcher.
1:04:29
The people of Florida. The people of Florida,
1:04:32
and by the way, I know he's going to spend $25
1:04:35
million on ads. Without that, he wouldn't have
1:04:37
a chance. He's 20 points down. The people in
1:04:39
Florida wouldn't elect him dog catcher. He couldn't
1:04:43
get any. He is right now 21 points down to me.
1:04:47
And, you know, again, there'll be a lot of advertising.
1:04:50
It's the only thing that might save him, but
1:04:52
I doubt it. I'm coming to you next, but go ahead.
1:04:55
He scammed the people of Florida. He scammed.
1:04:57
He doesn't vote. He doesn't show up in the U
1:05:00
.S. Senate. He doesn't vote. He scammed the people.
1:05:03
He defrauded the people of Florida. With respect,
1:05:06
you've made that point. Go ahead. There's no,
1:05:08
as you can see in his answer, it's always the
1:05:10
same thing. He defrauded the people of Florida,
1:05:12
little Marco. He's defrauded people out of things,
1:05:14
and not just, by the way, on the issue of Trump
1:05:17
University. He had another development in Mexico
1:05:20
that he had nothing to do with except his name
1:05:22
on the building. People put money into that building.
1:05:25
That was a licensing. They lost their money.
1:05:26
Yeah, and a licensing, but you told them you
1:05:27
owned the building. So they gave him his money.
1:05:29
They lost their money time and again. Stand by.
1:05:31
He has cheated people out of their money. I will
1:05:33
come back to you. Senator Cruz wants to weigh
1:05:34
in. You're coming back. Go ahead. Megan, let
1:05:36
me just ask the voters at home. Is this the debate
1:05:39
you want playing out in the general election?
1:05:42
The stakes in this election are too high. For
1:05:45
seven years, millions of Americans, we've been
1:05:48
struggling. Wages have been stagnating. People
1:05:50
are hurting. Our constitutional rights are under
1:05:52
assault. And if we nominate Donald, we're going
1:05:55
to spend the fall and the summer... with the
1:05:59
Republican nominee facing a fraud trial. Oh,
1:06:02
stop it. With Hillary Clinton saying, why did
1:06:05
you give my campaign and my foundation $100 ,000?
1:06:09
It's a minor civil case. And with Hillary Clinton
1:06:11
pointing out that he supported her four times
1:06:15
in her presidential race. It's a minor civil
1:06:17
case. Donald, learn not to interrupt. There are
1:06:19
many, many civil cases. Count to ten, Donald.
1:06:22
Count to ten. Count to ten. The stakes are too
1:06:27
high, and if you were one of the 65 to 70 percent
1:06:29
of Republicans who recognize that nominating
1:06:32
Donald would be a disaster. then I ask you to
1:06:35
come join us. If you're supporting other candidates,
1:06:37
come join us. We welcome you to our team because
1:06:40
we've demonstrated not once, not twice, not three
1:06:43
times, but five separate times we have beat Donald.
1:06:46
And if you don't want him to be the nominee,
1:06:49
then I ask you to stand with us as a broad coalition
1:06:53
of people who believe in the Constitution, believe
1:06:55
in freedom, and want to turn this country around.
1:06:58
Go ahead, Mr. Trump. The floor is yours. I don't
1:07:02
believe these politicians. All talk, no action.
1:07:05
I'm standing here listening to him. I'm hearing
1:07:07
him say about a percentage. CNN, he gets 15.
1:07:12
That means 85%, based on what you're saying,
1:07:15
of the people don't dig you, number one. Number
1:07:18
one. Is that a correct statement? How do you
1:07:20
get 15? Are you at 15 in the new CNN poll? Do
1:07:23
you believe in CNN? I mean, I know we're with
1:07:25
Fox. But CNN spent a lot of money in a poll,
1:07:30
just came out. I'm at 49, he's at 15. He tells
1:07:34
me about 65 % of the people. It's not 65 % of
1:07:38
the people. If you go by that, 85 % of the people.
1:07:41
Then he goes, we have five. Well, excuse me,
1:07:45
I won 10 states. If you listen to him, it's like,
1:07:49
I won 10 states. Everybody knows that on Super
1:07:53
Tuesday, Trump was the winner. There wasn't one
1:07:55
person that didn't say that. Even the two people
1:07:58
on your left and right said we did a great job.
1:08:00
So how does he take five and say it's better
1:08:04
than 10? I am by far the leader, but if you listen
1:08:07
to a politician, he'll try and convince you otherwise.
1:08:09
Senator Cruz, go. All right, well, Donald lives
1:08:12
by the polls every day. He tweets by the polls.
1:08:15
He's told us to look to the CNN poll. Well, that's
1:08:17
a very good poll to look to because that CNN
1:08:19
poll showed that head -to -head Donald Trump
1:08:22
loses to Hillary Clinton by eight points. He
1:08:25
doesn't just lose close. He loses by eight points.
1:08:29
That same poll he told you to look at shows me
1:08:32
beating Hillary Clinton. We cannot mess this
1:08:35
up. And by the way, the last four polls in a
1:08:38
row, when you nominate a candidate, who literally
1:08:41
has been on every side of every issue and in
1:08:43
the course of this debate may be on two other
1:08:46
sides before we're done. That's not how you win
1:08:49
and the stakes are too high. I'm going to let
1:08:51
you respond to that, Mr. Trump. I'm going to
1:08:55
go to you, Governor. You're up next. Me beating
1:08:57
Hillary Clinton and very, very easily. Okay.
1:09:00
Do you want to weigh in? Look, honestly, when
1:09:04
I see people... at these meetings, these town
1:09:07
halls, where we take massive questions, and I
1:09:09
get to spend time with them. Last night, there
1:09:12
was a woman that came to tell me about the loss
1:09:15
of her 15 -year -old son, who took his own life.
1:09:20
See, there's people in this country, and Ted's
1:09:22
right, their wages haven't gone up for so long.
1:09:26
They see the rich getting richer, they believe,
1:09:28
and they're not moving, and they put their money
1:09:30
in a bank, and they got no interest on their
1:09:32
money. They received none. And their sons or
1:09:35
daughters are living in the basement because
1:09:38
they can't get a good job after they rang up
1:09:40
so much college debt. What people are hungry
1:09:42
for is, who can fix this? People want to know,
1:09:46
what can you do? to solve the problems in Washington,
1:09:50
to make sure that we have stronger job growth
1:09:53
and better wages. But you know what else they're
1:09:55
yearning for? They want to believe that they
1:09:57
have the power to fix things where they live,
1:09:59
and they want the power back so they can begin
1:10:02
to do things in their community. Now listen,
1:10:05
this has been going on for a long time here,
1:10:06
and I appreciate the discussion back and forth.
1:10:10
But there are a lot of people out there yearning
1:10:12
for somebody who's going to bring America back,
1:10:16
both at the leadership level and in the neighborhood,
1:10:19
where we can begin to reignite the spirit of
1:10:22
the United States of America. And let's stop
1:10:24
fighting. Governor, thank you. Gentlemen, thank
1:10:29
you. Much more to come. We are here in Detroit.
1:10:35
The top issues in Michigan, according to Facebook,
1:10:38
are displayed in a word cloud. You're taking
1:10:40
a look at the second biggest issue. is clean
1:10:43
water. That, of course, is directly tied to the
1:10:45
situation in Flint. Senator Rubio, Bernie Sanders,
1:10:49
and Hillary Clinton have both been to Flint.
1:10:51
They are both running ads in this state focusing
1:10:54
on that, focusing on supporting Flint and fixing
1:10:58
the problems, showing images of people in Flint
1:11:01
thankful that they're there. Without getting
1:11:03
into the political blame game here, where are
1:11:05
the national Republicans' plans on infrastructure
1:11:09
and solving problems like this? If you talk to
1:11:11
people in this... this state, they are really
1:11:13
concerned about Flint on both sides of the aisle.
1:11:16
So why haven't GOP candidates done more or talked
1:11:20
more about this? Well, I know I've talked about
1:11:22
it, and others in our campaign have talked about
1:11:24
it, and other candidates have talked about it
1:11:26
as well. What happened in Flint was a terrible
1:11:28
thing. It was a systemic breakdown at every level
1:11:31
of government, at both the federal and partially
1:11:33
at both the state and partially at the federal
1:11:36
level as well. And by the way, the politicizing
1:11:39
of it, I think, is unfair because I don't think
1:11:40
that someone woke up one morning and said, let's
1:11:43
figure out how to poison the water system to
1:11:45
hurt someone. But accountability is important.
1:11:48
I will say I give the governor credit. He took
1:11:50
responsibility for what happened. And he's talked
1:11:52
about people being held accountable and the need
1:11:54
to change this. Governor Snyder. But here's the
1:11:57
point. This should not be a partisan issue. The
1:11:58
way the Democrats have tried to turn this into
1:12:00
a partisan issue, that somehow Republicans woke
1:12:03
up in the morning and decided, oh, it's a good
1:12:05
idea to poison some kids with lead. It's absurd.
1:12:07
It's outrageous. It isn't true. All of us are
1:12:09
outraged by what happened, and we should work
1:12:11
together to solve it. And there is a proper role
1:12:14
for the government to play at the federal level
1:12:16
in helping local communities to respond to a
1:12:18
catastrophe of this kind, not just to deal with
1:12:21
the people that have been impacted by it. but
1:12:23
to ensure that something like this never happens
1:12:24
again. Thank you, Senator. Governor Kasich, the
1:12:27
city of Detroit has long suffered with urban
1:12:30
blight, broken streetlights, dilapidated and
1:12:33
vacant houses, and so on. In 2013, Detroit actually
1:12:37
declared bankruptcy, which helped, but the schools
1:12:39
here remain a big problem. They're $3 .5 billion
1:12:42
in debt and are some of the most troubled and
1:12:45
poorly testing in the country. The kids too often
1:12:47
go to classrooms that are unsafe. Falling apart,
1:12:51
infested with rodents and insects? Experts say
1:12:54
the schools could go bankrupt by next month.
1:12:56
Question to you. If the federal government bailed
1:12:58
out the auto industry here in Detroit, should
1:13:01
it also bail out the Detroit schools? Well, look,
1:13:04
first of all, I think the mayor now is controlling
1:13:07
the schools. This is not much different than
1:13:08
what happened in Cleveland, Ohio, where the African
1:13:11
-American Democrat mayor, the union, and business
1:13:15
leaders came to see me and said, would you help
1:13:17
us to pass legislation? to really create a CEO
1:13:20
environment so that we can take control of the
1:13:23
schools. We even invested in a buyout plan where
1:13:26
we bought out the teachers who had been there
1:13:28
a long time because there were so many young
1:13:30
teachers who had been laid off who were so enthusiastic
1:13:32
to get back in the schools. It worked beautifully.
1:13:35
Cleveland's coming back. The Cleveland schools
1:13:37
are coming back because of a major overhaul.
1:13:40
It's the same thing that has to happen in all
1:13:42
of our urban schools. And frankly, look. If I
1:13:45
were president, I'd take 104 federal programs,
1:13:48
bundle them into four buckets, and send it to
1:13:52
the states because fixing schools rests at the
1:13:55
state and the local level and particularly at
1:13:57
the school board level. Now, I also believe...
1:14:01
I also believe that you need to introduce vocational
1:14:04
education in those schools. You need mentoring
1:14:06
in those schools. And you need to have a situation
1:14:09
where people can have an alternative form to
1:14:12
get a degree. And you need school choice, both
1:14:15
vouchers and charter schools. All of those things
1:14:18
can come together to help Megan. And here's the
1:14:21
bottom line. And I'll go quickly. We as adults
1:14:25
have to fight in our neighborhoods, in our communities
1:14:28
for our children's education. Put the politics
1:14:31
aside and everyone in this room can play a role
1:14:34
in lifting their schools and lifting the students
1:14:37
who are in those schools because too much politics
1:14:40
gets in the middle of it and where we focus as
1:14:42
adults and put children first, we see tremendous
1:14:46
results. And the people of this town are going
1:14:48
to rise and they need to be involved. Thank you.
1:14:53
For half a century, as you all know, Detroit
1:14:56
was the symbol of America's industrial might.
1:15:00
300 ,000 manufacturing jobs in this city. At
1:15:05
last count, there are now fewer than 30 ,000
1:15:08
manufacturing jobs here, and the unemployment
1:15:11
rate in this city is 11%, twice the national
1:15:15
average. Senator Cruz, I know that you have general
1:15:19
plans for tax reform, but what... What specifically
1:15:23
would you do to bring manufacturing jobs back
1:15:27
to America and train residents of cities like
1:15:30
Detroit to do those jobs? Well, Chris, thank
1:15:34
you for that question. Let me start by observing
1:15:36
that Detroit is a great city with a magnificent
1:15:39
legacy that has been utterly decimated by 60
1:15:44
years of failed left -wing policies. You know,
1:15:49
Henry Ford... revolutionized automobile manufacturing
1:15:53
and brought automobiles to the middle class.
1:15:56
During World War II, Detroit provided, funded
1:16:00
the arsenals of democracy to help us win World
1:16:02
War II. In the 1960s, Detroit was the Silicon
1:16:07
Valley of America. It had a population of 2 million
1:16:10
people, had the highest per capita income in
1:16:13
the country. And then for 50 years, Left -wing
1:16:17
Democrats have pursued destructive tax policies,
1:16:20
weak crime policies, and have driven the citizens
1:16:23
out. This city now has just 700 ,000 citizens.
1:16:28
There are vacant homes, one after the other after
1:16:30
the other. Crime has been rampant, and it is
1:16:33
an outrage. And let me say to folks in the media,
1:16:35
that is a story that the media ought to be telling
1:16:38
over and over again, the destruction of left
1:16:41
-wing policies and the millions who have hurt
1:16:44
because of it. Well, I was going to say, I'll
1:16:46
give you 30 seconds to try to answer my question.
1:16:49
What specifically would you do to bring manufacturing
1:16:52
jobs back to Detroit and to train the residents
1:16:56
here to do those jobs? The way you bring manufacturing
1:16:59
back to America is, number one, you lift the
1:17:01
regulations. As president, I will repeal Obamacare,
1:17:04
the biggest job killer in America. I will pull
1:17:07
back the federal regulators, the EPA, and all
1:17:09
the regulators that are killing small businesses
1:17:11
and manufacturing. and my tax plan which is a
1:17:14
very very detailed plan on the website tedcruz
1:17:17
.org is what's called border adjustable we get
1:17:20
rid of all the taxes we get rid of the corporate
1:17:22
income tax and the death tax and and the obamacare
1:17:25
taxes and the payroll tax and we replace it with
1:17:28
a 16 business flat tax that is border adjustable
1:17:32
which means all exports entirely tax -free and
1:17:36
all imports pay the 16 % business flat tax that's
1:17:40
a 32 % differential what that will do Chris is
1:17:44
bring millions of manufacturing jobs back to
1:17:48
this country bring the steel industry back to
1:17:50
this country create an environment where when
1:17:52
we compete on a fair and level playing field
1:17:55
American ingenuity can beat anyone but right
1:17:58
now the federal government isn't giving us a
1:18:00
level playing thank you senator Gentlemen, the
1:18:03
next series of questions will be on social issues.
1:18:06
Governor Kasich, the last debate, you were asked
1:18:09
a question about religious liberty and a hypothetical
1:18:12
situation where a same -sex couple approaches
1:18:14
a cupcake maker to do their wedding. Here's what
1:18:17
you said. If you're in the business of selling
1:18:21
things, if you're not going to sell to somebody
1:18:23
you don't agree with, today I'm not going to
1:18:25
sell to somebody who's gay, then tomorrow maybe
1:18:29
I won't sell to somebody who's divorced. Governor,
1:18:32
some faith leaders got nervous about that answer.
1:18:35
Do gay marriage dissenters have rights? Well,
1:18:40
look, first of all, I try to be a man of faith
1:18:43
every day as best as I can. And I try to focus
1:18:47
in my faith on the do's and I think the don'ts
1:18:50
will take care of themselves once I get the do's
1:18:52
right, which is humility and loving my enemy
1:18:54
and caring for my neighbor. But secondly, I look.
1:18:58
You're in the commerce business. You want to
1:19:00
sell somebody a cupcake? Great, okay? But now
1:19:02
if they ask you to participate in something you
1:19:04
really don't like, that's a whole other issue,
1:19:07
okay? Another issue. Here's what I like to see
1:19:10
happen. The Supreme Court ruled, I don't agree
1:19:12
with the ruling. I'm in favor of marriage between,
1:19:15
you know, traditional marriage, a man and a woman.
1:19:17
What I hope was going to happen after the Supreme
1:19:19
Court ruling is things would settle down. If
1:19:22
you go to a photographer to take pictures at
1:19:24
your wedding and he says, I'd rather not do it.
1:19:27
find another photographer don't sue them in court
1:19:29
you know what the problem is in our country in
1:19:35
our country we need to learn to respect each
1:19:38
other and be a little bit more tolerant for one
1:19:40
another and at the end of the day don't go to
1:19:42
court can't we have common sense in america that's
1:19:45
the way it used to be and there was a book written
1:19:48
called the death of common sense we need to bring
1:19:50
it back but at the end of the day If somebody
1:19:53
is being pressured to participate in something
1:19:55
that is against their deeply held religious beliefs,
1:19:58
then we're going to have to think about dealing
1:20:00
with a law. But you know what? I'd rather people
1:20:03
figure this out without having to put another
1:20:05
law in the books and have more arguments in this
1:20:07
country. Why don't we come together as a country,
1:20:09
respect one another, love one another, and lift
1:20:12
this country? I think that's what people want.
1:20:15
So, thanks for asking. Senator Cruz, the U .S.
1:20:21
Supreme Court obviously declared same -sex marriage
1:20:23
legal in all 50 states, a decision you have criticized.
1:20:27
Given the current status of the law, do you believe
1:20:30
a gay couple should be able to adopt? Well, listen,
1:20:34
adoption is decided at the state level, and I
1:20:36
am a believer in the 10th Amendment and the Constitution.
1:20:39
I would leave the question of marriage to the
1:20:41
states. I would leave the question of adoption
1:20:43
to the states. That's the way it's been. for
1:20:46
two centuries of our nation's history until five
1:20:48
unelected judges in an illegitimate and wrong
1:20:52
decision decided to seize the authority over
1:20:55
marriage and wrongfully tear down the marriage
1:20:57
laws of all 50 states. Now, integrally connected
1:21:01
to this is the question of religious liberty,
1:21:04
and at the last debate... One of my colleagues
1:21:06
on this stage said on the question of religious
1:21:08
liberty and Supreme Court nominees that he'd
1:21:11
be willing to compromise and negotiate. I can
1:21:13
tell you, for me, there are areas that we should
1:21:16
compromise on. Marginal tax rates, we can reach
1:21:18
a middle ground on. But when it comes to core
1:21:21
principles and convictions, when it comes to
1:21:23
the Constitution and Bill of Rights, I can tell
1:21:26
the men and women at home, I will never compromise
1:21:28
away your religious liberty. And for me, Brett,
1:21:32
religious liberty... has been a lifelong passion.
1:21:36
I've spent two decades defending religious liberty,
1:21:38
including defending the Ten Commandments before
1:21:41
the U .S. Supreme Court and winning, defending
1:21:43
the Pledge of Allegiance before the Supreme Court
1:21:45
and winning, and defending the Mojave Desert
1:21:47
Veterans Memorial, a lone white Latin cross that
1:21:51
was erected to honor the men and women who gave
1:21:53
their lives in World War I. I represented three
1:21:56
million veterans for free defending that memorial,
1:21:59
and we won 5 -4 before the Supreme Court. Senator,
1:22:01
thank you. Senator Cruz definitely avoided saying
1:22:06
your name, Mr. Trump, but I think he was referring
1:22:08
to you and your religious liberty answer. Would
1:22:10
you like to respond? I have nothing to say. I
1:22:12
mean, I generally speaking agree with what he
1:22:14
said. I would have certainly have rather left
1:22:17
it to the states. I was always in favor. I was
1:22:19
very surprised when they came up with that decision.
1:22:22
I would have preferred had it been left to the
1:22:25
states, and I think most people would have preferred
1:22:27
that. Senator Rubio, the late Supreme Court Justice
1:22:30
Antonin Scalia, a conservative icon, obviously,
1:22:32
pointed out in United States v. Heller that like
1:22:36
most rights, the Second Amendment right is not
1:22:39
unlimited. Just like the First Amendment doesn't
1:22:41
allow you to go into a theater and yell fire,
1:22:44
he said the Second Amendment leaves room to regulate
1:22:47
guns. So do you agree with Justice Scalia? And
1:22:51
if so, what limits would you draw around the
1:22:54
Second Amendment? As few as possible. The Second
1:22:56
Amendment, as I've said before, is not a suggestion.
1:22:59
It is the constitutional right of every American
1:23:01
to protect themselves and their families. It
1:23:03
is a right that it is the Second Amendment for
1:23:06
a reason. It is right after the defense of the
1:23:08
freedom of speech for a reason. For clearly the
1:23:11
founders of our nation understood and the framers
1:23:13
of the Constitution understood that you cannot
1:23:15
have life and you cannot have liberty and you
1:23:17
cannot pursue happiness if you are not safe.
1:23:20
And the Second Amendment, when people talk about
1:23:22
gun laws, what they need to realize is criminals
1:23:24
don't follow gun laws. They're criminals. By
1:23:27
definition, they ignore the law. But the gun
1:23:29
rights of Americans, if you are talking to a
1:23:32
law -abiding citizen and a gun owner like myself,
1:23:34
if you pass a law, I will follow whatever the
1:23:36
law is. A criminal will not do it. They will
1:23:38
continue to pursue these guns on the black market
1:23:41
where they then go out and commit crimes and
1:23:43
they steal guns from each other. Gun laws are
1:23:45
not effective. They simply do not provide for
1:23:48
safety. But they do, however, ensure that law
1:23:50
-abiding people don't have access to weapons
1:23:52
to protect themselves and guns to protect themselves.
1:23:55
But criminals will always be well -armed. They
1:23:57
don't care about the law. follow the law. We
1:23:59
will protect the Second Amendment when I'm president
1:24:01
of the United States. Mr. Trump, you were once
1:24:04
a supporter of an assault weapons ban. So do
1:24:07
you think there should be any restrictions on
1:24:09
the Second Amendment? I'm a big defender of the
1:24:11
Second Amendment. And if you look at what's happened,
1:24:13
whether it's in California, where you had the
1:24:15
14 people killed, whether it's in Paris, which,
1:24:17
by the way, has the toughest gun laws in the
1:24:19
world, and 130 people killed, many, many people
1:24:22
in the hospital gravely injured. They will be
1:24:25
dying. Many people will be dying in addition.
1:24:27
If we had guns or if they had guns on the other
1:24:30
side of the room with the bullets going in the
1:24:33
opposite direction, you would not have had 130
1:24:35
people killed. That I can tell you right now.
1:24:37
So I'm a very, very big supporter of the Second
1:24:41
Amendment. But in 2000, you wrote in your book,
1:24:44
I generally oppose gun control, but I support
1:24:46
the ban on assault weapons. I don't support it
1:24:48
anymore. I do not support the ban on assault.
1:24:51
Senator Cruz. Any limits to the Second Amendment?
1:24:54
Well, listen, unlike Donald, I would not support
1:24:59
banning firearms. In that instance, Bill Clinton
1:25:01
banned many of the most popular firearms in America.
1:25:04
And by the way, the study showed that ban did
1:25:06
nothing to reduce violent crime. It just took
1:25:09
away the Second Amendment rights of law -abiding
1:25:11
citizens. And let me point out, you know, it
1:25:14
is easy for political candidates to have rhetoric
1:25:17
and say, I support the Second Amendment. But
1:25:19
you cannot say that and at the same time say
1:25:22
what Donald just said, which is that on the question
1:25:24
of Supreme Court nominees, he wants to compromise
1:25:27
and reach a middle ground with Harry Reid and
1:25:30
Chuck Schumer. That's what he said in the last
1:25:31
debate. And any justice that Harry Reid and Chuck
1:25:34
Schumer sign off on. I did not say that. And
1:25:36
I would point out Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer
1:25:38
are both Democrats that Mr. Trump has written
1:25:40
checks to repeatedly. Any justice that those
1:25:44
two sign off on is going to be a left -wing judicial
1:25:46
activist who will undermine religious liberty,
1:25:49
and we are one vote away from the Hillary decision
1:25:51
being overturned, which would effectively erase
1:25:55
the Second Amendment from the Bill of Rights.
1:25:57
If you care about the Second Amendment, then
1:26:00
you need to ask, who on this stage do you know
1:26:02
will appoint principled constitutionalists to
1:26:05
the court and not cut a deal with your Second
1:26:07
Amendment rights? We're listening to the all
1:26:11
-talk, no -action politician, and he was the
1:26:14
primary supporter of John Roberts, who gave us
1:26:18
Obamacare. No, it's not. You take a look. He
1:26:20
was the primary supporter. He pushed John Roberts
1:26:23
and pushed him and pushed him, and Bush ultimately
1:26:26
appointed him. He got appointed, and when it
1:26:28
came his time to raise his hand and kill Obamacare,
1:26:31
not once but twice, he let us down, and he did
1:26:34
the wrong thing. This is the man that was the
1:26:37
primary supporter. And you can read Law Journal.
1:26:41
You can read whatever you want to read. I've
1:26:43
read plenty of it. There was no stronger supporter
1:26:45
of John Roberts than him. And it was a very,
1:26:48
very big mistake. Quickly, Senator Cruz. You
1:26:50
know, Donald has a tenuous relationship with
1:26:53
the truth. I wrote one op -ed. supporting President
1:26:58
Bush's nomination after he made it. I would not
1:27:01
have made that nomination. But let me point out,
1:27:03
if Donald actually cared about... That is not
1:27:05
what you said in the op -ed. Donald, please,
1:27:07
I know it's hard not to interrupt, but try. But
1:27:08
it's not what you said in the op -ed. Breathe,
1:27:11
breathe, breathe. You can do it. You can breathe.
1:27:15
I know it's hard. I know it's hard, but just...
1:27:17
When they're done with the yoga, can I answer
1:27:19
a question? You cannot. I really hope that we
1:27:24
don't see yoga on this stage. Well, he's very
1:27:26
flexible, so you never know. Fred, you cannot,
1:27:33
in fact, care about conservative Supreme Court
1:27:38
justices. and support Jimmy Carter for president.
1:27:41
You cannot care about conservative Supreme Court
1:27:43
justices and support John Kerry for president,
1:27:46
as Donald did. You cannot care about conservative
1:27:48
Supreme Court justices and support Harry Reid
1:27:50
for Senate majority leader. And you cannot care
1:27:53
about conservative Supreme Court justices and
1:27:55
write four checks to Hillary Clinton for her
1:27:58
to be president if you care at all about the
1:28:01
Second Amendment or religious liberty or anything
1:28:03
else. Gentlemen, we're going to move on. Thank
1:28:05
you very much. We want to talk about some more
1:28:06
policy questions coming up. And coming up, and
1:28:12
gentlemen, we're going to focus for a bit now
1:28:14
on foreign policy. Senator Rubio, you like to
1:28:17
take a shot at Mr. Trump on the campaign trail,
1:28:19
saying that negotiating a hotel deal in a foreign
1:28:23
country is not foreign policy. The other day,
1:28:26
you even compared him to Kim Jong -un, the North
1:28:29
Korean leader, as lunatics trying to get a hold
1:28:32
of nuclear weapons. Please tell Mr. Trump why
1:28:35
he's unprepared. to be commander -in -chief?
1:28:38
Well, first of all, I think as we've seen throughout
1:28:40
this campaign, Donald has not shown a seriousness
1:28:42
about the issues of foreign policy. He just simply
1:28:44
hasn't. Whether it was the structure of our military,
1:28:47
even today he was asked a question about the
1:28:49
issue of commanders not following his lead on
1:28:52
killing the family of terrorists, and his answer
1:28:54
basically was, if I tell them to do it, they're
1:28:56
going to do it. That's just not true. Foreign
1:28:59
policy is not only consequential, I think much
1:29:01
of our future now depends on it. You know, I
1:29:03
see a lot of young people at my events around
1:29:05
the country. I feel great when they come. And
1:29:08
I always tell them that despite the hardships
1:29:09
of the moment, I honestly believe that today's
1:29:12
millennials have a chance to be the greatest
1:29:14
generation we've had in 100 years. I really do.
1:29:17
Because the world today has hundreds of millions
1:29:20
of people that can afford to be their clients,
1:29:21
their customers, their partners, people they
1:29:23
collaborate with. But that won't happen if the
1:29:26
world is dangerous and it's unstable. And that
1:29:28
will require strong American leadership. The
1:29:30
next president of the United States is going
1:29:32
to have eight years of a mess of a foreign policy
1:29:34
to clean up. That's why it can't be Hillary Clinton.
1:29:36
And quite frankly, that's why it can't be someone
1:29:38
who simply has not shown the intellectual curiosity
1:29:41
or the interest in learning about these very
1:29:44
complicated issues. And Donald simply hasn't.
1:29:46
Mr. Trump, your response. Well, let me just say
1:29:51
this. I've gotten to know Marco over a period
1:29:54
of time. Believe me, he is not a leader. believe
1:29:58
me and that doesn't answer the question is not
1:30:04
a leader and frankly when i say they'll do as
1:30:07
i tell them they'll do as i tell them and that's
1:30:11
very it's very simple it's very simple we are
1:30:14
in a very dangerous place we have a depleted
1:30:17
military totally depleted we have by the way
1:30:19
our vets are treated horribly we're going to
1:30:21
take care of our vets we're going to start taking
1:30:23
care of our vets properly like we should But
1:30:26
we're going to build up our military, and we're
1:30:28
going to get the equipment we want, not the equipment
1:30:30
that's sold to us by somebody that gave him and
1:30:33
him and not the governor campaign contributions,
1:30:35
okay? We're going to get the equipment that the
1:30:38
generals and the soldiers want. I will prove
1:30:41
to be a great leader. And, you know, it's very
1:30:44
interesting. We talk about the polls. Every single
1:30:46
poll, when it comes to ISIS and the military
1:30:48
and the border, say by far Trump is the best.
1:30:51
Mr. Trump, your time is up. I just want a couple
1:30:54
of points. Once again, he was pressed on a policy
1:30:56
issue to show his understanding of the foreign
1:30:58
policy, and his reaction was just to attack somebody
1:31:00
else with a name. Here's the bottom line, and
1:31:02
I'm going to repeat it again. The world today
1:31:04
is as complicated and as complex as it has been.
1:31:07
certainly in the lifetime of anybody here today.
1:31:09
You indeed do have a lunatic in North Korea with
1:31:11
nuclear weapons. You indeed do have the Chinese
1:31:13
government taking over the most important shipping
1:31:16
lane in the world. And Vladimir Putin, who you've
1:31:18
expressed admiration for... Wrong. Well, you've
1:31:21
expressed admiration. Wrong. Someone you see
1:31:23
as a strong leader is now dividing Europe up.
1:31:25
He said very good things about me, and I said
1:31:28
that's wonderful. I'm going to finish my statement
1:31:29
here. And he's also sowing instability in the
1:31:31
Middle East. You have Iran is going to get $100
1:31:33
billion of sanctions relief. You have radical
1:31:36
jihadists spreading all over the world. This
1:31:38
is a time for seriousness on these issues. You
1:31:40
have yet to answer a single serious question
1:31:42
about any of this. Will you give us a detailed
1:31:45
answer about foreign policy anytime you're asked
1:31:47
on it? let me just tell you first of all i've
1:31:50
been hearing this man so long talking about putin
1:31:53
putin said about me i didn't say about putin
1:31:56
putin said very nice things about me and i say
1:31:59
very nicely wouldn't it be nice if actually we
1:32:02
could get along with russia we could get along
1:32:05
with foreign countries instead of spending trillions
1:32:08
and trillions of dollars you're talking about
1:32:10
flint michigan you're talking about places we
1:32:14
need to rebuild the infrastructure of our country
1:32:16
wouldn't it be nice if we got along with the
1:32:18
world and maybe russia could help us in our Quests
1:32:22
to get rid of ISIS, et cetera, et cetera. Gentlemen,
1:32:25
you both have had a chance to talk a couple of
1:32:28
times. I'd like to move on to Senator Cruz. Senator,
1:32:32
we have some breaking news tonight. North Korea's
1:32:34
dictator, Kim Jong -un, has ordered that country's
1:32:38
nuclear weapons to be made ready at a moment's
1:32:42
notice. And this comes just hours after the U
1:32:45
.N. Security Council announced that approved
1:32:47
the toughest sanctions in two decades against
1:32:50
that country. Assume you're President Cruz tonight.
1:32:53
What do you do? Well, you're right. The news
1:32:56
is very disturbing that Kim Jong -un has put
1:32:58
their nuclear weapons on ready state. I'm glad
1:33:00
that we're sending another carrier group to the
1:33:02
South China Sea. I'm glad that Congress passed
1:33:04
sanctions on North Korea. But this is all the
1:33:07
result of the failures of the Clinton administration
1:33:09
two decades ago that negotiated a deal with North
1:33:13
Korea, lifting the sanctions, allowing billions
1:33:15
of dollars to flow in, and they used that money
1:33:18
to develop nuclear weapons in the first place.
1:33:21
Now we're in a much harder position. When you
1:33:23
have a lunatic with nuclear weapons, to some
1:33:25
extent it constrains your options. We need to
1:33:27
be moving the carrier group to the South China
1:33:32
Seas. We need to be putting in place... missile
1:33:35
defense, such as the THAAD missile defense system
1:33:38
in South Korea. We need to be pursuing space
1:33:40
-based missile defense. One of the advantages
1:33:42
of space -based missile defense is that if you
1:33:45
have a missile launch in North Korea or you have
1:33:47
a missile launch in Iran, a space -based missile
1:33:50
defense can take out one or two or three missiles
1:33:53
before it can cross over and do damage. And we
1:33:56
also need to be putting pressure on China because
1:33:58
North Korea is effectively a client state of
1:34:01
China. All of that will happen with a strong
1:34:04
commander in that is devoted to keeping this
1:34:06
country safe. Thank you, Senator. Governor Kasich,
1:34:09
I want to move back to the debate that we heard
1:34:11
earlier about Vladimir Putin in December. After
1:34:14
Vladimir Putin had some nice things to say about
1:34:17
Donald Trump, calling him bright and talented,
1:34:19
your campaign ran a video suggesting that Trump
1:34:24
might name the Russian president as its running
1:34:27
mate. Here's a clip. I'll have to see this. If
1:34:31
elected, Trump promised that the dictatorial
1:34:33
duo would quote, make tyranny great again. I
1:34:37
think I'd get along very well with Vladimir Putin.
1:34:40
I just think so. That was your campaign video,
1:34:47
sir. That was a pretty good one. Well, okay.
1:34:50
Sir, if I may ask my question. I think you were
1:34:54
kidding. But it was your video. And the serious
1:34:58
question is, because the suggestion is, do you
1:35:00
think that Donald Trump is naive about the threat
1:35:04
that Vladimir Putin represents? I'm not biting.
1:35:07
Let me just take you around the world, okay?
1:35:09
Let me... Look. I'm going to take you very quickly.
1:35:21
In Russia, we need to tell them we're going to
1:35:23
arm the Ukrainians with defensive lethal weapons.
1:35:25
And we're going to tell Putin, if you attack
1:35:27
anybody in Eastern Europe in NATO, you attack
1:35:30
Finland and Sweden, which is not in NATO, consider
1:35:32
it an attack on us. And he will understand that.
1:35:35
Secondly, I would tell the Chinese, you don't
1:35:37
own the South China Sea. Stop hacking us. And
1:35:40
we're going to brief up our cyber command, and
1:35:42
we're going to be in a position to be able to
1:35:44
take out your systems if you continue to do this.
1:35:46
Now, let's move over into the Middle East. The
1:35:49
Egyptians, they know they're on their last legs
1:35:51
there because of the attack from ISIS. Jordanians
1:35:55
really have been our friends. They know that
1:35:57
they're at risk. So do the Saudis. So do the
1:36:00
Gulf states. They are our allies. really, or
1:36:02
have similar aims, we need to bring them closer
1:36:04
to us. Turkey, a critical avenue to the Middle
1:36:08
East. We have to bring them towards the West
1:36:10
and not towards the East. And we have to be joint
1:36:13
and have good human intelligence. That's kind
1:36:16
of a semi -trip around the world. And if you
1:36:17
gave me more time, I'd finish the trip. Governor,
1:36:20
thank you. Thank you. Coming up, a final question
1:36:22
and closing statement. Let's get back at it.
1:36:28
Gentlemen, this is the last question of the night.
1:36:30
It has been a long time since our first debate
1:36:33
seven months ago in Cleveland. A lot has transpired
1:36:37
since then, obviously, including an RNC pledge
1:36:40
that all of you signed agreeing to support the
1:36:44
party's nominee and not to launch an independent
1:36:47
run. Tonight... In 30 seconds, can you definitively
1:36:51
say you will support the Republican nominee even
1:36:55
if that nominee is Donald J. Trump? Senator Rubio,
1:36:59
yes or no? I'll support the Republican nominee.
1:37:02
Mr. Trump, yes or no? I'll support Donald if
1:37:04
he's the Republican nominee, and let me tell
1:37:06
you why. Because the Democrats have two people
1:37:08
left in the race. One of them is a socialist.
1:37:10
America doesn't want to be a socialist country.
1:37:12
If you want to be a socialist country, then move
1:37:15
to a socialist country. The other one... is under
1:37:18
FBI investigation. And not only is she under
1:37:20
FBI investigation, she lied to the families of
1:37:23
the victims of Benghazi. And anyone who lies
1:37:26
to the families of victims who have lost their
1:37:28
lives in the service of our country can never
1:37:30
be the commander -in -chief of the United States.
1:37:33
We must defeat Hillary Clinton. Senator Cruz,
1:37:35
yes or no, you will support Donald Trump if he's
1:37:37
the nominee? Yes, because I gave my word that
1:37:40
I would. And what I have endeavored to do every
1:37:43
day in the Senate... is do what I said I would
1:37:45
do. You know, just on Tuesday, we saw an overwhelming
1:37:47
victory in the state of Texas, where I won Texas
1:37:50
by 17%. And I will say it was a powerful affirmation
1:37:54
that the people who know me best, the people
1:37:56
who I campaigned to, made promises that if you
1:37:58
elect me, I'll lead the fight against Obamacare,
1:38:01
I'll lead the fight against amnesty, I'll lead
1:38:03
the fight against our debt, and I will fight
1:38:05
for the Bill of Rights and your rights every
1:38:06
day, that the people of Texas said, you have
1:38:09
kept your word, and that's what I'll do as president.
1:38:11
Governor Kasich, yes or no, would you support
1:38:13
Donald Trump as the Republican nominee? Yeah,
1:38:15
and I kind of think that before it's all said
1:38:18
and done, I'll be the nominee. But let me also
1:38:20
say... Let me also say, remember, I'm the little
1:38:26
engine that can. Look, when you're in the arena,
1:38:30
and we're in the arena, and the people out here
1:38:32
watch, we're in the arena, we're traveling, we're
1:38:34
working, we spend time away from our family.
1:38:36
When you're in the arena, you enter a special
1:38:39
circle, and you want to respect the people that
1:38:41
you're in the arena with. So if he ends up as
1:38:44
the nominee, sometimes he makes it a little bit
1:38:46
hard, but, you know. I will support whoever is
1:38:50
the Republican nominee for president. Mr. Trump,
1:38:53
I'm going to ask you a version of the same question
1:38:55
as we saw today with Mitt Romney. The Never Trump
1:38:58
movement is gaining steam. Some people are talking
1:39:01
about contributing millions of dollars to try
1:39:03
to stop you. Again today, you raised the possibility
1:39:05
that you might run as an independent if you feel
1:39:09
you're treated unfairly by the Republican Party.
1:39:11
So I'm going to phrase the question that the
1:39:14
other three people on the stage just got. Can
1:39:17
you definitively say tonight that you will definitely
1:39:20
support the Republican nominee for president,
1:39:23
even if it's not you? Even if it's not me? Let
1:39:30
me just start off by saying something. 30 seconds,
1:39:32
sir. Okay, that I'm very, very proud of. Millions
1:39:35
and millions of people have come to the Republican
1:39:37
Party over the last little while. They've come
1:39:40
to the Republican Party. And by the way, the
1:39:42
Democrats are losing people. This is a trend
1:39:45
that's taken place. It's the biggest thing happening
1:39:47
in politics. And I'm very proud to be a part
1:39:50
of it. And I'm going to give them some credit,
1:39:52
too, even though they don't deserve it. But the
1:39:54
answer is yes, I will. Yes, you will support
1:39:57
the nominee of the party. Yes, I will. It's now
1:40:03
time for your closing statements. Governor Kasich,
1:40:05
we'll start with you. Well, ladies and gentlemen,
1:40:09
I love being here in Michigan, and I want to
1:40:12
say to all of you here that I have a record of
1:40:14
being able to solve some of the biggest problems.
1:40:17
It's not just talk, and it's not theory. I did
1:40:19
it in Washington by helping people get into a
1:40:22
healthier economic situation. I've done it in
1:40:24
Ohio, and as we've made progress in Ohio, we've
1:40:26
left no one behind. We've not left behind the
1:40:29
mentally ill, the drug addicted, the working
1:40:31
poor, the developmentally disabled, and we have
1:40:33
raised our minority community. President of the
1:40:36
United States, I will go back to Washington,
1:40:39
I will take the formulas that I used, and I will
1:40:42
fix the problems in Washington, and you'll work
1:40:45
with me as I send you power to fix your communities,
1:40:49
your neighborhoods, your state, and together
1:40:51
we'll restore the spirit of America, and I know
1:40:53
you want that. Thank you. Senator Rubio, 30 -second
1:40:57
closing statement. I know this has been an unusual
1:41:01
election cycle as it continues, and there's a
1:41:03
lot of problems in America, and people are truly
1:41:05
hurting. But this election is not just about
1:41:07
confronting our problems. It's also about embracing
1:41:09
our opportunities. I believe the 21st century
1:41:12
holds the potential to be the greatest era in
1:41:14
the history of the United States if we get this
1:41:16
election right and if we act now. If we do, if
1:41:19
we do what needs to be done, we can leave our
1:41:21
children as the freest and most prosperous Americans
1:41:24
that have ever lived. And the 21st century can
1:41:26
be the greatest era in the amazing story of America.
1:41:29
So I ask everyone to vote for me and join our
1:41:31
effort at MarcoRubio .com. Senator Cruz, your
1:41:35
closing statement. I want to talk to every soldier
1:41:39
and sailor and airman and Marine. I want to talk
1:41:41
to every mom and dad and sister and brother and
1:41:44
son and daughter of someone fighting for this
1:41:46
country. For seven years, you've had a commander
1:41:48
in chief that doesn't believe in you, that sends
1:41:50
you into combat with rules of engagement that
1:41:53
tie your arms behind your back. That is wrong.
1:41:55
It is immoral. And in January 2017, it will end.
1:42:00
I want to also talk. To all the police officers
1:42:03
and firefighters and first responders who have
1:42:05
been left behind with this president starting
1:42:08
in January 2017, I will have your back. Mr. Trump,
1:42:15
your closing statement. Thank you. I am going
1:42:19
to bring jobs back. to the United States like
1:42:22
nobody else can. We're going to fix our very
1:42:24
depleted military. We're going to take care of
1:42:27
our vets. We're going to strengthen our borders.
1:42:30
And you're going to be very, very proud of this
1:42:32
country in just a few years if I'm elected president.
1:42:35
Thank you.