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Unbridled Passion · United We Scan

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  Now here are the host. Of the United We Scan Podcast
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  Just a reminder to everybody, the views expressed on this
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  States Postal Service or the National Rural Letter Carriers
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  Association. And welcome back, everybody.
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  Episode 32. I am back.
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  I didn't know. I got some messages saying that
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  they missed me last week. I did miss everybody, but I
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  really enjoyed my time away with three days of heavy metal and
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  got my new tattoo. Watch my daughter crowd surf.
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  It was fun and I'm still recovering by the way, so quick
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  little announcement. I just want to let everybody
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  know that Mike has stepped away from the podcast.
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  Personal reasons. There's no hard feelings amongst
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  any of us. We wish him the best of luck
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  and. You know, you can pop in and say
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  hi to us and chat once in a while.
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  So I just want to put it out there.
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  If y'all wondering, where's Mike?
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  Yeah, he's he's no longer with us at this time.
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  But on that note, we still have everybody else.
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  We've got Bill, James and Josh tonight.
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  How was your week, Josh? Not too bad, you know, Same old,
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  same old. Well, I did end up calling out
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  Wednesday because I think Monday, extreme heat Monday into
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  Tuesday. Took me for a loop Monday I
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  ended up at the end of the day with a nasty migraine and nausea
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  got so bad I didn't quite make it home before I needed to grab
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  a trash bag. Tuesday I was fine, but later in
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  the evening I was still, you know, starting to get a little
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  nauseous and I figured I'd probably better stay home on
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  Wednesday. And I'm off Thursdays anyway for
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  appointments, so I had the two days to.
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  Relax in the house, in the air conditioning and recoup, and
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  this week's going to be a short week too.
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  Again, have the appointments Thursday and then we're supposed
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  to go away to a convention next weekend, so I had already
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  requested Friday, Saturday off a long time ago, so that'll be a
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  nice change of pace. I'm glad to hear you're feeling
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  better, people. He out there is no joke, that is
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  for sure. And James, how was your week?
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  Since I became regular and without any question, I worked
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  my NS day. So I worked six days last week,
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  which unfortunately wasn't comfortable for me.
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  I'm not like working Saturdays. Like having that day to relax
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  from working the route all week. I know, I know Rca's work, some
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  Rca's work seven days a week. I know some regular carriers are
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  on 8 routes now That used to be on cage and things like that.
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  But you get so used to the pattern that you get up on a
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  Saturday and go to work and it's like there's absolutely no
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  traffic out there. Nobody's going to their eight to
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  five jobs when you're going to your work.
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  Did all right. To get into a little bit of a
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  spat with my supervisor that day because he's like, we're going
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  to hold these flats over for Monday.
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  I'm like, are you insane? You're wanting to hold flats
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  over for one of the heaviest metal days of the week?
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  No, we're going to throw that stuff.
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  We're going to get it out. And everybody was back before 4.
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  So it's like, it's no big real deal that we got it all out.
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  So kind of just made sure that happened at my office, but.
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  Other than that, because of that I'm going to use that X day as
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  one of the days I go to National Convention.
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  So now I get to keep an annual day for something other than
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  union activities. Nice, Bill.
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  How was your week, sweetheart? I was forced in yesterday so I
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  missed my grandpop day. Yeah, that that bummed me out,
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  but but grandma liked it because since I wasn't around.
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  The grandbaby was had her all day long, but the typical week
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  in downtown Westchester, you know, people calling out Subs,
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  not showing up the delayed mail. They want you to get out in
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  three hours, but they're not done.
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  The parcels to 10/15. The same old bullshit And you
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  know, like James says, oh, they want to hold the mail to Monday
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  are. I'm sorry, are you delaying
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  mail? Is that what you're doing?
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  Let me get this down in writing, please.
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  It's just funny how, you know, they manipulate the rules and
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  situations to their benefit, and it's not to anybody's benefit,
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  you know, except for theirs, you know, making excuses.
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  Because they fudge reports that they send up every day.
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  You know, they they light our asses off on their telecoms and
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  I just sit there and shake my head and it's like, oh God, we
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  have a service talk today again. We got all ours, all six scans.
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  No, folks, there's a hell of a lot more than six scans in
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  there. But that's all they're worried
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  about is getting those six scans staying off reports.
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  So other than that, yeah, like the rest of the country, hot,
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  hazy, humid air quality is poor. And you know, just, you know,
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  take the breaks. Don't end up like Josh getting
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  sick. Hydrate and take your breaks,
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  folks. Yeah, when I got.
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  This isn't the only one. I got.
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  Back in the only one I got it last year, I had it last year.
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  I was down for three days because of it.
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  You know, we did that episode last week about heat.
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  So if you guys want to go back and listen to that, there's a
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  lot of good tips in there to survive the Heat if you want to
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  listen to that. I got back in the office Tuesday
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  and late. I literally just had my ox route
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  Tuesday through Friday, with the exception of running some
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  packages Tuesday and Wednesday for the overflow Whoever's
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  bright idea was to hold 7 pallets of Amazon back on Monday
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  for Tuesday when another thirteen came in on Tuesday.
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  This is. This is first six routes and ox
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  and three city routes. 20 pallets of Amazon on Tuesday.
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  It was not pretty. My primary route ended up
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  running two second trips. This is a 93 mile POV route he
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  racked up because they had a whole another pallet there and
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  he asked her do you want me to wait to get the We won't be able
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  to break it down until after you leave.
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  Well then she broke it down and scanned it to be out that day.
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  He racked up 116 miles in second trip.
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  It's not a second trip, it's straight time.
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  The union has actually spoken on that and said that if it's it's
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  a second trip, if you've already organized the parcels and have
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  them ready to go for the route. And if it's not organized, it
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  needs to be straight time. Plus mileage for EMA.
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  Which I think on this matter he actually came out to the benefit
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  with the better pay on the second trip.
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  Carrier discretion. Carrier discretion at 3 minutes,
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  a mile at 116 miles plus the EMA.
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  Yeah, that was a nice pretty day for him.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, cuz I took packages
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  for the 47 K route and they're actually starting to finally let
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  him take second trips now. He's been fighting that one.
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  She's like oh we can drop him off at the RMPO.
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  He's like that's not a true second trip.
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  I have to come back, complete my end of shift duties and then
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  take a second trip out from the main office where my case is at.
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  So other than that then I just had my ox route and of course I
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  ran a double yesterday and then had to drive almost 4 hours down
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  my parents house, drop off the cooler I borrowed and pick up
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  some stuff that was in the freezer and my boyfriend left
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  behind. Then I had to pick him up at the
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  airport. I got there about, yeah, just
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  shy of midnight. Drove the 3 1/2 hours home.
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  Got home at 3:30 this morning, and then I had to be two hours
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  away today at noon for local officer training.
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  Then I got home about 6:30 this evening.
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  So it's been interesting. That might be a little punchy.
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  I apologize. Not really, but yeah.
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  Officer training on Sundays. Yeah, new local officer
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  training. We had that on Sunday but it was
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  at at the convention. Yeah, our, our, our state
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  refuses to do them at conventions anymore.
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  They may do them like at a booster, but they won't do them
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  at convention. It's funny, last year was the
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  first time they did it and the first time they've had officer
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  training, you know, local officer training, I should say,
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  in a long time. Long before for.
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  Me it was really, it was just kind of review because I have
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  been a local officer in my previous county unit before I
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  transferred before. So it was just kind of review
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  and catch up if there was anything new I needed to know or
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  not. But yeah, you know, and she
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  brought pizza and I'm like, oh, cool breakfast just because, you
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  know, I I've been 700 miles and 24 hours.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's been one of those
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  weekends for me. Yeah, James, it's funny.
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  You were saying to the supervisor was saying he wanted
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  to hold flats until Monday. In my at my station.
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  We've always been told Saturday's clean up day,
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  everything, you know, obviously this is closed, you know, stays
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  in the, you know, in the case of the tubs, wherever you stage it,
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  but they got to work and everything's got to be sorted on
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  Saturday, you know? On Saturdays, whatever was
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  residual during the week, so you go into Monday.
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  Yeah, go into Monday with empty cases.
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  Yeah, that was like, hey, we've got no presorted bundles today.
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  This was Saturday and I was like, what?
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  Really? Yeah.
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  No, once they got to the bottom of the APC, underneath all the
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  packages, that's where they found the presorted bundles.
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  I'm like, yeah, that's what happens.
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  Yeah, me too. But you know, in this new this
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  new machine, non machinable sorting doesn't help things
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  either. No, no it does not.
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  They end up in your the bottom of your Gurney.
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  No. The clerk pulled them off and
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  put them in. The tubs were on the rack sorted
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  them out. They did not go in the parcel
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  hampers. Yeah, When they started doing
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  that again in my station, they started putting them in the.
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  Toss them in the the bundles into the gurneys and I'm like
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  wait a minute I'm you know because even and we're mostly
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  city in my office in my station so now they case all their mail
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  you know all the residual and all that stuff and then load up
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  and grab their journeys and roll them out to the truck and load
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  the truck on street time and now they have all these bundles of
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  so that I had. Matters and put a stop to that
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  real quick because now they either are being held over for
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  the next day or they have to come back in and recase so you
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  know to organize all the you know depending on how many
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  bundles they have. Yeah.
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  So we put a little call out to everybody to see what people
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  wanted us to discuss tonight. Dance is 42.
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  I thought it was 20, I thought it was 27.
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  Nope 42. Unless you probably about the
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  number here. Unless you're talking about the
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  number of ice cube put in your glass for assorted, then it's
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  three. Halfway between 4:00 and 2:00
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  choose. Not enough to make it cold, but
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  four makes it two watered down. At least that's what my wife
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  though. So are this kind of touches on
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  what you guys talked about last week a little bit with the Heat?
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  I did go ahead and listen one day this week, Why?
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  I was out on the route. I tried to listen in.
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  Why Sunday? But you know, when I've got
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  heavy metal playing up on the stage, I can't really listen too
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  much. So yeah, I tried.
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  When you popped in. Yeah, yeah, I tried.
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  I almost thought about trying to hop in, but you guys would never
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  heard me. It would all been.
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  The band So Music. Yeah, and we would have been in
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  a copyright strike situation. Exactly.
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  Exactly myself. Zagrevis went in and out, in and
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  out with the whole time I was there anyways, so which was
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  fine. Why the post office doesn't
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  supply water during hot summer days.
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  That's a tough one. That is a tough one because I
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  have been seeing pictures of. Wasn't there an ocean ruling on
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  that a few years back? The 90 degree rule.
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  Is that what it is at 90 degrees or higher they have, they're
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  supposed to supply? Right.
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  Hydration. Now you'll forgive me because
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  I'm kind of old school and if you know it's going to be a hot
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  day, pack plenty of water. Pack Gatorade, Pedialyte.
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  Take care of yourself. Don't depend on others to take
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  care of you. I always.
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  That's just me. I always look at the forecast
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  for the next day. And if I have to throw 2-3
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  bottles in the freezer of water, that way they're frozen so I
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  have them the next day. And yes, I'm a woman and I get
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  hot and I'll put one of those frozen bottles right between the
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  sisters and that does help you cool you down.
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  By the way, I've done it with ice packs.
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  I'll do it with a bottle of water.
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  I did that at the festival. I had an ice cold bottle of
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  water right between them. Hey, it works.
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  Cooling towels work. Monday, I have one of my ice
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  packs on my back. Get the mic out of your mouth.
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  Yeah, that one's. I mean, I've seen pictures
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  lately all over the social media about hydration stations and
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  celebrating my first office. My management was awesome.
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  They always had a case of water in the fridge in the break room.
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  And sometimes they had a half a case of water in the freezer
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  portion and it was always a help yourself management where I'm at
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  now. Yeah, good luck.
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  Good things for me. Order pallets of water at my
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  station. And an ice machine.
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  No, we don't have an ice machine.
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  We do have a one of them cleaners, you know, with a big 5
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  gallon jug of water. So here's my opinion on this.
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  And it's not going to be the opinion of anybody else, but I
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  have not worked a single job that provided full refreshments
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  and anything else for their employees, whether it was
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  working inside, outside or any of that stuff.
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  They expected you to provide all that stuff.
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  And I definitely wasn't making as much money there as I am here
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  at the Postal Service. On that note, they know they're
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  providing equipment that can kill us with the heat.
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  But if you look at the track record of management overall,
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  I'm not talking about the good managers that a lot of us have.
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  I'm talking about management, especially higher up management
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  they are looking at. Numbers on a spreadsheet and
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  they don't care what it means to your body.
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  You are not a person to those number crunchers.
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  And if they are spending money on buying bottled water to take
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  care of carriers, that's an expense that the number
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  crunchers are going to complain about.
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  And the managers that don't want to listen to the number
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  crunchers complain about how they're spending money on
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  bottled water are not going to buy bottled water for the
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  carriers on the flip side. You also know when you buy your
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  own what it is. You know where it came from, you
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  know who's handled it, you know what's been around it and
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  everything. So you're a lot safer if you
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  bring your own and take care of yourself.
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  You are responsible for yourself and as they say here on this
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  podcast, you are the responsible for getting yourself home at the
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  end of the day to your family. We do have a water core with the
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  five gallon jugs that they put on top that you can fill your
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  own container with. They do buy pallets of water,
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  like the cases of water or the bottled water, but they are
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  saying that that's not supposed to.
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  You're not supposed to be. You're supposed to be supplying
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  your own. This is the offset.
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  You know what they have in the office they used to be good
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  about. Putting a case.
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  One case in the freezer, one case in the fridge, but whoever
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  was doing it stopped doing it because they were the only
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  person doing it. Like someone would grab the last
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  one, they wouldn't go grab another case of water and put it
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  and replenish it. I will say that I.
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  Will, I'm going to add to this, especially about the cold water.
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  If you are extremely hot and overheated, do not chug.
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  Cold, cold, ice, cold water, small sips because it will
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  actually send your body into shock.
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  It can make you sicker. And it can stop your heart.
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  Yes. So yeah, that's just something
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  to think about when it's hot out.
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  I mean, I like putting that ice cold bottle water on the back of
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  my neck. I, you know, I cool off the
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  girls with it if I have to. Small sips, but yeah, do not
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  chug ice. Cold water, that's that's never
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  a good thing. The places you want to put cold
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  items. Yeah, the places you want to put
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  cold items. The back of the neck, your
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  armpits between your legs in the crotch area.
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  I know it seems weird, but there are two major blood vessels that
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  run down in between your your thighs and you put that cold
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  piece next to that. It cools the blood because that
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  arteries right there to cool. And then you also can put a cool
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  item either on your back or your chest because your core is the
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  biggest heat producer of your body and that's the part you
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  want to cool off. The most.
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  And also the inside of your. Wrists as well.
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  Yeah, the inside of your wrists are another place, but these are
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  the biggest cooling areas. The funny thing is, on Monday I
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  was hydrating. I did at some point take one of
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  my ice packs and put it on my back.
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  And just slowly as I shifted and rocked, it would work its way
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  from the top down to the bottom of my back.
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  So where it was sitting in the seat and then I would pick it up
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  and put it back into the top again and it would slowly work
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  down and then at one point had it did have it between my leg.
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  I still got sick but we were in a toad red air quality.
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  It was like 96 degrees out with a heat index over 100 I smoke.
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  Yep, all that contributes to it. People have mixed feelings on
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  running that fan in the LLV because all you're doing is
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  bowing the hot air on you. But let me tell you, I'd rather
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  have that fan on with it, moving the air.
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  Then it's sitting stagnant in there.
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  I also rolled down the other window part way, that way I can.
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  Get it across second window. The window across me on the left
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  side is open. I usually open that.
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  Do not do not roll it down all the way folks, because you take
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  a too sharp of a turn and your mail goes out the window.
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  I I usually roll mine not quite halfway down.
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  I roll mine so it's like just above whatever I have up front.
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  Yep. So even if it's stiffs, it can't
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  fly out the window. I learned that once, make a
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  mistake once. Luckily I was in a neighborhood
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  driving in my where my condoms are, where I have to drive
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  around to deliver packages. So I was stopping, you know, I
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  turned the corner, I was stopping at the 3rd house and it
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  kind of shifted and rolled, you know, tumbled out.
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  It was a heavier box, you know, a top heavy box.
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  So when I was just found the only way I could run around the
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  other side and grab it put it back in.
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  This is a good one. I would like to hear about how
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  you actually get management to stop people working off the
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  clock. I have tried everything and it
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  persists in my office daily, talking to management
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  grievances, writing into national for years.
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  Nothing works. I know it is the reason that rec
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  standards are unattainable for some things.
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  We will get cut even further in the future.
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  How can we stop it? And.
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  Bill, they already, they already said file, file, file, they've
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  been filing file. Well, after you file, file,
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  file, and then you file again, and then you get it hold of the
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  National Labor Relations Board and you file a complaint with
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  them because of the fact that they govern over the work rules.
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  And the work rules say if you're not on the clock, you're not
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  covered, If you're hurt all off the clock, no OWCP.
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  And if management tries to cover their asses by falsifying your
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  times, they're in trouble. So you know, I I go, this is me
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  because I'm a very straightforward person.
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  I go up to the person and explain to them why they
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  shouldn't be working off the clock and they give me some lame
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  excuse and I'll say. Well, that's fine.
• 23:28
  I said thank you. And they'll say why.
• 23:30
  And I said, because you just gave me $100 and I filed A
• 23:34
  grievance for the previous grievances I had filed and
• 23:36
  settled for $100 per carrier in the office for one individual
• 23:40
  working off the clock. Management does not like me at
• 23:45
  all. But you know, guess what?
• 23:47
  Guess what, folks? You're you're harming yourself
• 23:50
  because you're you're not getting paid for what you're
• 23:51
  doing. You're harming yourself because
• 23:53
  you're putting yourself in jeopardy.
• 23:55
  In regards being injured off the clock, you're hurting the route
• 23:59
  evaluation and if you're even if you're a sub, you're hurting the
• 24:02
  evaluation because you're not getting paid for what you should
• 24:06
  be doing on an hourly basis. Especially if you're under 40
• 24:09
  hours and you you know if you're getting three days work, guess
• 24:13
  what you know you're you're cutting your own throat.
• 24:17
  So, you know, don't do something, you're not getting
• 24:20
  paid. I refuse to do anything that we
• 24:23
  don't get paid for. We have fought for this rec
• 24:25
  system that was supposed to correct that and we're still not
• 24:29
  getting paid for everything we do.
• 24:31
  And now management is micromanaging to the point of
• 24:34
  harassment. It's it's not, it's not a matter
• 24:38
  of possible harassment. It is total harassment and
• 24:44
  going. To say this mathematically
• 24:46
  speaking. There are 30,000 plus post
• 24:51
  offices in the United States. If one carrier from each of
• 24:58
  those offices is working off the clock every day, that is 30,000
• 25:06
  plus routes that are being abused out of 85,000 routes.
• 25:15
  That we have in the rural craft, that's over 1/3 of the routes in
• 25:22
  the rural craft. If you do it that way and you
• 25:26
  wonder why management has used that against us because 1/3 of
• 25:32
  your carriers are under evaluation every single day, we
• 25:35
  can actually lower the value for these right here, here, here and
• 25:39
  here. And they still would be right at
• 25:41
  the evaluation that they're working now.
• 25:44
  That's the argument management is making at union contract
• 25:47
  negotiations. That is, the problem is that
• 25:51
  these carriers are hurting us not just on the fact that
• 25:55
  they're working under evaluation for work that they're actually
• 25:59
  working over evaluation for, but they're also hurting us in
• 26:04
  contract negotiations in that instance.
• 26:07
  And that's something that they really need to think about.
• 26:11
  And and and in retrospect if you look at Rex now we're we're at
• 26:14
  86 letters a minute. Now guess what, you know that's
• 26:19
  a contributing factor there because you're working off the
• 26:22
  clock. We went from you know 43 to 86,
• 26:26
  they doubled it because we're coming in underneath the
• 26:29
  valuations not not only because we're efficient okay and and
• 26:34
  most rule carriers are very efficient but because others are
• 26:38
  off the clock. That pisses me off.
• 26:43
  Yeah, I have one that likes to come in early, then to do his
• 26:48
  take his stuff out to the truck, his scouts tray and do his
• 26:53
  inspection. And I remind him every single
• 26:56
  day, do not do that. I said all it's going to take is
• 27:00
  for a clerk to put a package and you don't see that.
• 27:02
  You turn around and trip. You are not on the clock, you
• 27:05
  are not covered. Don't work off the clock,
• 27:07
  people, and fight it to no end. And any anybody can file a
• 27:13
  grievance on that. Anybody can file a grievance on
• 27:16
  that. And then you just have to fill
• 27:19
  out portions one through 4:00 and then give it to your
• 27:22
  designated union representative. And what you know, I've seen in
• 27:27
  our office is it creates a bit of animosity between the regular
• 27:31
  and the sub because more times than not, it's a situation
• 27:36
  where. The the sub knows he's going to
• 27:38
  have an open route and he's going to have to do extra work
• 27:40
  or she's going to have to do extra work and all of a sudden
• 27:44
  the the routes evaluation is an hour and a half under on a on a
• 27:49
  normal day. And it it doesn't make sense the
• 27:52
  regulars trying to figure out how the Subs doing it faster
• 27:55
  than they are because they're doing it off the clock.
• 27:57
  Stop doing it folks. I have a carrier in my route
• 28:02
  that gets her route done 2 hours under evaluation.
• 28:06
  But she doesn't work off the clock.
• 28:09
  That's how it's supposed to be. We have one that we still I
• 28:13
  we're still trying to figure out how she gets A45K done in five
• 28:17
  and a half, six hours daily. We we have no clue.
• 28:23
  It doesn't matter how heavy it is.
• 28:25
  She's rarely ever more than six hours.
• 28:30
  Ever. How?
• 28:32
  I don't know. I I run this route often.
• 28:35
  I don't know. But I do know that.
• 28:38
  I do know that that truck does go into the shop quite often.
• 28:44
  The brakes are squeaking right now.
• 28:45
  I noticed running that route yesterday.
• 28:48
  Yeah, I I don't know. At that point, we just toss our
• 28:52
  hands in the air and it is that. Yeah, we don't know.
• 28:56
  What? What?
• 28:56
  I'm sure if you I'm sure if you checked that city metric it
• 28:59
  would tell you exactly what's going on.
• 29:01
  Oh, I I I'm sure. I am quite sure.
• 29:05
  Yeah. No clue.
• 29:08
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 29:12
  All right. What's the next one, guys?
• 29:15
  Explain base rate and actual time on pay stub.
• 29:20
  How they pay actual hours under evaluation then pay hours.
• 29:27
  Under actual time, the total evaluation of weekly route I'm
• 29:36
  not am I only sure what being? I know what she's asking.
• 29:42
  I know what they're asking. Go ahead.
• 29:44
  I know exactly what they're asking.
• 29:46
  So your pay stub is broken down into several categories.
• 29:51
  Depending on whether you have a government vehicle or not adds
• 29:54
  more categories to it. But the base rate, which is the
• 30:01
  evaluation of the route You get the evaluated hours for the
• 30:05
  route. Actual time is the actual time
• 30:09
  you work from the time you clocked in to the time you
• 30:11
  clocked out on your 4240. It should not match what your
• 30:15
  clock rings are on the scanner. It should match your 4240.
• 30:19
  That is what the union has said. And that's how it should be is
• 30:22
  management should be editing the times to match your 40 to 40.
• 30:28
  But when you are a regular carrier, your only evaluation
• 30:32
  the actual time only counts towards your 2080 or 20 to 40
• 30:37
  times when you're on the overtime list.
• 30:41
  It also count towards that 56 hours a week under the FLSA.
• 30:48
  Yes, and the 56 hours a week under FSLA.
• 30:51
  FLSA, excuse me, When you're a rural RCA it is up to 40 hours.
• 31:03
  40 hours even is where it switches.
• 31:07
  So if you work actual hours of 39.9 hours you will get
• 31:13
  evaluation and that is why the evaluation time will be the time
• 31:18
  you're paid for. Even if you worked more hours
• 31:22
  than the evaluation, which is the one caveat of that, if you
• 31:27
  work 40 hours and above, you'll get 40 hours plus overtime for
• 31:33
  the actual hours you worked. That's the difference between
• 31:37
  those two different categories, and it's it's a little
• 31:42
  convoluted, but it's only broken down that way, so the bean
• 31:45
  counters have an easy way to explain it to themselves.
• 31:50
  And that's how I was going to answer my.
• 31:52
  I was saying I'm not exact because of how they worded it.
• 31:55
  I wasn't exactly sure, but I was going to say that, you know, put
• 31:58
  that I have a followup question And I looking at my current stub
• 32:04
  now, I think I have the answer, but I want to make sure the
• 32:09
  actual hours is just the five days.
• 32:16
  It does not. In the evaluation it does not
• 32:19
  count the K day work. That's if you're a K route, you
• 32:23
  you got to remember, not everybody is a K route.
• 32:26
  Was it saying your release day? That does not include the hours
• 32:30
  worked on a relief day. No, that goes to your towards
• 32:32
  your 20 to 40. That should be on a separate
• 32:36
  line. Right.
• 32:38
  Well, it has overtime hours, which is just the evaluate, the
• 32:42
  daily evaluation. Correct.
• 32:46
  Sure. I've got a couple things here
• 32:49
  kind of going to move on just a tad bit.
• 32:52
  Kind of couple questions. One that came in as a private
• 32:55
  message to the page kind of goes hand in hand with another
• 32:59
  question that was asked whether it was on the page or in the
• 33:04
  group. I do believe it was in the
• 33:06
  group. Let me go back to that.
• 33:09
  Or it could have been on the page as well.
• 33:13
  This has to do with leave. There's a couple questions on
• 33:17
  leave. One of When can annual leave be
• 33:21
  denied? If there is and then there's
• 33:23
  also leave replacement available plan and cannot be used
• 33:26
  including LWOP for Saturday for H&J's.
• 33:31
  All right, and this one I just came in through PM on the page
• 33:36
  and it goes hand in hand with these can a regular carry
• 33:40
  request LWOP in a formula office for a Saturday if there is a sub
• 33:44
  off? Sure, leave.
• 33:48
  How can it? How can and cannot be used,
• 33:50
  including LWOP for Saturday on H&J routes followed up with the
• 33:57
  other one. Rank manually denied?
• 34:00
  Yes. So there's our three leave
• 34:01
  questions. Go ahead guys.
• 34:03
  OK. Annual annual leave, depending
• 34:07
  on if you're a regular or a sub. Can be denied under the verbiage
• 34:14
  is a little bit different. I'm gonna assume, and all three
• 34:18
  of these questions that they're all regulars.
• 34:21
  So let's stick with the regulars first and then we'll touch on
• 34:24
  leave for some. Yeah, right.
• 34:27
  Let's say, hold on. I got the tentative agreement in
• 34:31
  front of me for the current contract.
• 34:33
  I'm just trying to find. Article 10 is leave.
• 34:38
  Ours regular rural carriers, they'll be granted annual leave
• 34:41
  in the minimum units one day. Rural carriers should be granted
• 34:45
  annual leave in accordance with their personal wishes, provided
• 34:49
  a leave replacement is available.
• 34:52
  My contention on that is at the time of the request.
• 34:59
  And also refer back to the order of consideration for that as
• 35:02
  well. Yes, so.
• 35:04
  Which is which is a conundrum because the order of
• 35:06
  consideration allows management to schedule an open route.
• 35:11
  So it says to me that open emergency, but we all know how
• 35:14
  their emergencies are. Yeah, they might have to take it
• 35:18
  out. And you also have to you also
• 35:22
  have to remember if you have a brand new sub in the office who
• 35:27
  just joined. They cannot be assigned to any
• 35:30
  other route than their primary route for the first two pay
• 35:35
  periods of the assignment. Let me read the very next
• 35:40
  paragraph. It says if a leave replacement
• 35:43
  is committed to serve another route, I'm sorry, another
• 35:47
  regular rule route. And then this is the new
• 35:51
  language, a vacant route or? A route where the regular rule
• 35:56
  carrier is on extended leave, has approved leave, or is in the
• 36:02
  first two pay periods of assignment in the office.
• 36:07
  Such leave replacement is not available.
• 36:10
  A regular rule carrier should not be unreasonably denied
• 36:13
  annual leave because of a leave replacement assignment to an
• 36:20
  auxiliary route. Then you have to follow in on
• 36:23
  the 12 hour rule for scheduling when combined with an OX route.
• 36:31
  Yeah, they can't. Can't schedule you for more than
• 36:33
  12 hours or work you more than 12 hours as a sum.
• 36:39
  It's in the contract. Oh, they can work you.
• 36:42
  You just have to grieve it. They get paid that over time
• 36:46
  because regulars get paid over time if they go over 12 hours in
• 36:48
  a day. Rca's do not.
• 36:52
  And you have to grieve it in order to get that paid, Yeah.
• 36:55
  And in that instance, please contact your assigned union
• 36:59
  representative if this is going on in your office.
• 37:02
  Well, now, do they not get after 12 hours in a day if it's one
• 37:11
  thing? So if you sign, if you come in
• 37:14
  the morning, you sign in on Route 12 and all you did was
• 37:19
  Route 12? No.
• 37:20
  I dictation 12 1/2 hours. No okay.
• 37:25
  I wasn't sure I knew because the only time I went over 12 is us.
• 37:30
  You know, with green card time. No.
• 37:34
  So it wasn't one set thing on 12 hours.
• 37:38
  It's 12 hours, period. That's that's including 1/2
• 37:43
  hour. That includes 1/2 hour lunch in
• 37:46
  that 12 hours. Yes, yes.
• 37:49
  Lunch or break times included in that 12 hour period and potty
• 37:53
  time too. Don't forget potty time, yeah?
• 37:55
  And potty time is on the clock. Yes, ma'am.
• 37:59
  Both, both management. On the clock.
• 38:03
  What most manage both management and the unions quick reference
• 38:09
  guide for the rec system. Both say you do not clock out to
• 38:14
  lunch for restroom breaks. So if you have one of those that
• 38:19
  you're having to sit there for a little while, it's a bathroom
• 38:23
  break. Enjoy yourself.
• 38:27
  You know, bathroom bathroom breaks are not lunch.
• 38:32
  If they're going to try and Ding you on a stationary event
• 38:37
  because you're trying to pinch one off, you're going to the
• 38:40
  bathroom. Yeah, don't Don't give yourself
• 38:43
  a hernia just to stay off of the stationary events.
• 38:47
  Because we all have those emergencies from time to time.
• 38:50
  It happens. Yeah, and sometimes you can't
• 38:53
  help but you get out there on your route and you all of a
• 38:56
  sudden about halfway through, you're like, oh man, I drank way
• 38:58
  too much water today to stay hydrated.
• 39:00
  I need a bathroom. Or you never know what dinner
• 39:03
  you ate the night before is doing to you that day.
• 39:07
  Oh yes, I do. Yes, I do.
• 39:12
  Lasura. Cheese Saturday, so I'm home on
• 39:15
  Sunday. But okay back to the leave we
• 39:20
  kind of sidetracked there entertainment factor here back
• 39:26
  to leave, how can and that be used including ELWAP for
• 39:31
  Saturday and H&J routes I haven't seen I think.
• 39:39
  So I do know that on H&J routes. They get a.
• 39:43
  Free scheduled Saturday time off.
• 39:46
  If you schedule time off and you're you're normally scheduled
• 39:50
  to work that day, you should get that day free of charge.
• 39:57
  No annual day charged whatsoever on that Saturday because it
• 40:02
  would be unfair to carriers who have H&J routes.
• 40:06
  To make them use an annual leave on a Saturday when the K route
• 40:10
  people don't have to do that, you'd be planning an extra
• 40:15
  annual day compared to the K route people, yes.
• 40:17
  We'll see. That's the free Saturday, which
• 40:19
  is different than what I think they're asking.
• 40:24
  The free Saturday is if you put in a request for Saturday
• 40:28
  through Saturday, which is 7 days of annual leave, requesting
• 40:33
  7 days of annual leave. The system will automatically
• 40:40
  only charge you for five on a J route 6 for an H route.
• 40:49
  Oh, I'm sorry, it only it only charge you for the five.
• 40:53
  The five. For both, right?
• 40:56
  Yeah, that that's why I I step back there for a moment on that
• 41:01
  they're saying because. LWOP is at management's
• 41:05
  discretion with the exception of Saturdays.
• 41:08
  I'm not sure exactly where it is for in the case of J&H routes.
• 41:17
  So if they want to take a Saturday off, they potentially
• 41:23
  can request LWOP and not get paid for the day.
• 41:26
  And that goes and like I said and that private message there.
• 41:31
  Had to do with in a formula office if there's a sub
• 41:35
  available and they want to take LWOP for that Saturday because
• 41:39
  we know how formula offices are, you may have a sub that's off on
• 41:42
  a Saturday. I don't know what that's like
• 41:45
  without requesting it. Happens all the time.
• 41:48
  Either you should. You should be able to put in but
• 41:52
  leave without pay is management discretion.
• 41:54
  They could make you use an annual day for that.
• 41:58
  And it kind of be out for the the free days.
• 42:01
  If you're putting in leave and you're a A, AKAJ, an H,
• 42:05
  whatever, make sure that you put down all the days inclusive of
• 42:10
  your work schedule. Like the H routes, don't don't
• 42:14
  go Friday to Friday or or or Saturday Saturday.
• 42:18
  Take it to the next day and then you still put down 40 hours so
• 42:22
  you get your full pay. But there have been instances
• 42:25
  where people have gone. Has an H route and put in for a
• 42:29
  Saturday to Friday and then you called in the next day not
• 42:33
  knowing that they were entitled to that free day.
• 42:36
  Yeah, I just put in for our National Convention, got it
• 42:39
  immediately approved and I put in for that Monday through
• 42:46
  Sunday night because I wasn't going to take any chances of
• 42:50
  them calling me in on Saturday to cover when they're
• 42:54
  shorthanded. And I'm sorry, I'm going to need
• 42:56
  a day off after the National Convention, for sure.
• 43:01
  Well, that's because you'll be celebrating with me, yeah?
• 43:04
  I I still have to put in for Saturday.
• 43:07
  I think I'll do that tomorrow when I get there.
• 43:12
  Yeah. I haven't put in for Saturday
• 43:14
  yet. I need to do that.
• 43:15
  I wasn't thinking about that. What I put in until Tuesday
• 43:21
  morning. Unless there's another festival
• 43:25
  near my parents house, I might want to go to Saturday night as
• 43:28
  well, so we'll see what happens. Was that all the leave
• 43:33
  questions? I think so.
• 43:35
  Can I regular care request LWOP at a formula office?
• 43:37
  You can request it, you know it. LWOP again is management's
• 43:41
  discretion. The exception of Saturdays.
• 43:44
  I you know, if there's a sub that's off and your LWOP gets
• 43:48
  denied on a Saturday, I would contact your signed union Rep.
• 43:53
  No To complete this section, can you talk about Rca's taken leave
• 43:58
  now? Rca's taken leave.
• 44:03
  We can, but I've stepped away from.
• 44:07
  Ours if if there is another if there is a leave replacement
• 44:11
  available. Again it comes down to if there
• 44:13
  is another leave replacement available to cover if it's like
• 44:18
  the day if it's. The regulars kday that you're
• 44:21
  normally covering and you didn't work it out with your or you
• 44:24
  weren't able to work it out with your regular to do for them to
• 44:27
  work. Maybe do a deck of R to flop it
• 44:29
  around or you're taking extended.
• 44:32
  Then if there's another leave replacement available and again
• 44:37
  it comes down into the first come first serve, it's.
• 44:42
  Right, I have an example. I have an example of that in my
• 44:45
  office. Well, I have situation.
• 44:48
  We had a situation come up and we're going to be shorthanded
• 44:53
  when a RCA asked for two days off in advance.
• 44:59
  That occurred before the situation happened.
• 45:02
  It was already approved. Now the only thing my supervisor
• 45:07
  or postmaster can do now is ask them if they wouldn't mind
• 45:11
  coming into work. They can't force them off their
• 45:14
  leave because they've got a signed.
• 45:17
  Leave slip saying they're approved to have that time off.
• 45:19
  Exactly. But it's an emergency.
• 45:24
  That's not an emergency. It's not an emergency.
• 45:27
  They can call in somebody from other offices.
• 45:29
  They can. They could find help elsewhere
• 45:31
  they can. They can settle up and deliver
• 45:34
  it themselves. I had a regular carrier carried
• 45:39
  my aux route for me Saturday because we had our other two.
• 45:43
  Well, the one RCA was off. Don't get me started on that
• 45:48
  one, but a completely different scenario.
• 45:51
  But my leave had been approved for quite a bit of time.
• 45:55
  I did put it outside the 60 days because I had put a I paid half
• 46:01
  the amount for last weekend. Let's put it that way.
• 46:04
  And MY1H route because we have 4 K's and an H in my office now.
• 46:11
  And so obviously anybody working their K days was not going to be
• 46:14
  able to work. And I know the two that have the
• 46:16
  Monday K days weren't going to do it.
• 46:18
  So they asked the H route carrier if she wanted to take
• 46:21
  the OX route and she was more than happy to take it.
• 46:23
  So I could have that Saturday off.
• 46:24
  Why I was gone this weekend. So yeah, it's, you know, if you
• 46:29
  got people in your office willing to help you out, that's
• 46:32
  awesome. But if it's approved,
• 46:34
  preapproved. And something happens down the
• 46:36
  pipeline before that time off comes.
• 46:39
  They can't force you to give it up.
• 46:40
  That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you're a
• 46:42
  regular and RCA. You enjoy that time off with a
• 46:44
  signed leave slip. Yeah, don't let management go
• 46:47
  you into taking your time off and going back to work.
• 46:51
  If you don't want to work and you have that signed leave slip,
• 46:55
  you don't have to work. It benefits the office if you do
• 46:59
  and I can't argue that it doesn't benefit the office.
• 47:03
  But your time is your time. You came here to work at the
• 47:09
  post office for specific wages, specific work conditions, and
• 47:15
  specific benefits, and one of those benefits is time off from
• 47:19
  the job. Yep.
• 47:23
  Though sometimes it doesn't feel like we have time off by the way
• 47:26
  I did. I thoroughly enjoyed my weekend
• 47:28
  away one of. Very rarely do I take personal
• 47:33
  time. I mean any of the I, you know
• 47:35
  they'll complain I'm an RCA and you get all this time off.
• 47:37
  I got a couple of them that complain but the majority of my
• 47:42
  time off that I put a request in for is for conferences and
• 47:48
  conventions and union related business.
• 47:52
  So you know, I it's like I tell him, you know I'm fighting the
• 47:55
  good fight for you guys. All right.
• 47:57
  So I think is that pretty much cover everything for the Leaf
• 48:00
  questions. Well, did you want me to read
• 48:03
  the the language for lever plate for Rca's?
• 48:08
  Sure. Go ahead.
• 48:10
  You'll see. You can see what the difference
• 48:11
  is. Yep.
• 48:12
  Go right. Ahead.
• 48:13
  OK, I'm just going to read the the one sentence, one or two
• 48:18
  sentences. It says Rule Carrier associates
• 48:20
  shall be granted annual leave in hourly increments.
• 48:24
  Rule Carrier associates shall. Be granted annual leave in
• 48:29
  accordance with their personal wishes, provided there is
• 48:32
  sufficient leave replacement coverage in the office, where
• 48:39
  for regular carriers it said it shall be, I'm sorry, at the time
• 48:48
  when a leave replacement is available is for regular
• 48:51
  carriers and it's just a shell for.
• 48:57
  Coverage. You know, if there's sufficient
• 48:59
  coverage, I should say. Yeah.
• 49:04
  So they can't leave a route open for that.
• 49:07
  Exactly. For you to take leave.
• 49:10
  I'm gonna answer this next one real quick.
• 49:15
  Which scan pays more? Front door or left with
• 49:17
  customer? They pay the same front door
• 49:21
  left with customer at garage? Other location.
• 49:25
  Pays the same. You have the three different
• 49:27
  categories in the mailbox, parcel, locker, and to the door,
• 49:32
  and everything outside of that pays pretty much to the door.
• 49:38
  It is all to the door whether you do that or mailroom or any
• 49:41
  of that stuff. Yep, yes.
• 49:44
  So even if they make me, if they meet you at the mailbox and you
• 49:48
  hit deliver it to customer, you're going to get paid that
• 49:51
  door credit because you didn't deliver, yes.
• 49:56
  Carrier discretion? Carrier discretion?
• 49:59
  Yes. And somebody did ask how Rex
• 50:02
  really works. If you really wanted us to
• 50:05
  explain how Rex really works, it would take us three or four
• 50:08
  episodes to do so. On top of that, we don't even
• 50:12
  have all the information. Our union doesn't have all the
• 50:15
  information on how it works. Nobody has all the.
• 50:18
  Information. Is there a OK, this kind of goes
• 50:21
  hand in hand. That would be 3 or 4 episodes to
• 50:23
  cover what we do know. And that's and that's like 3
• 50:28
  hour episodes. Not just three or four episodes.
• 50:31
  That would be like 3 hour episodes.
• 50:34
  And I think I saw something about is there a footage
• 50:39
  explaining the drive makers? Well let me finish this one cuz
• 50:42
  this kind of goes hand in hand with this last one.
• 50:43
  The packages. Is there a footage minimum for a
• 50:46
  second trip? Say I'm only walking 10 feet
• 50:48
  back to my vehicles. It's still considered a second
• 50:50
  trip at what distance to be anytime you go back to your
• 50:54
  vehicle for another package or whatever else to go back to that
• 50:59
  door. Doesn't matter the distance.
• 51:02
  Or if you go to the door, drop off the first package, you go
• 51:07
  back to the truck to get the second one, if it's that big, or
• 51:11
  whatever. Anytime you have to make a
• 51:14
  second trip to get the rest of the stuff that gets delivered.
• 51:17
  Even if they meet you halfway out there.
• 51:19
  Oh, hey, I'll meet you out there so you don't have to carry the
• 51:22
  rest of it there. Yeah, that's a that's an
• 51:24
  additional trip to door. Anytime that you have to go back
• 51:28
  to the truck to get more and retrieve it and go back, that is
• 51:31
  an additional trip. Yep, same with CBU's authorized
• 51:38
  dismounts. Carry what you can safely carry
• 51:43
  to the mailbox, Do your thing, go back to the truck, grab your
• 51:47
  next amount you can handle safely, take it to the CBU, sort
• 51:52
  it however many trips it takes, and that is an authorized
• 51:55
  dismount. Are we allowed to use trip to
• 51:59
  door or not? Been told by our supervisor and
• 52:02
  postmaster that multiple trips for large pack parcels that have
• 52:05
  scans do not use Trip to door. Once scanned at door, it gives
• 52:10
  us credit for each parcel. Likewise with certified don't
• 52:13
  use Door Miscellaneous since scanning them gives us door
• 52:15
  credit. You don't need to use Door
• 52:17
  Miscellaneous for certifieds, but anytime you're making more
• 52:21
  than one trip. You use the trip to the door,
• 52:24
  and that includes parcel pickups as well.
• 52:27
  If you have a parcel pickup request and you're making three
• 52:31
  trips to get all those parcels from where you're picking them
• 52:33
  up to the truck, that's additional trips to the door.
• 52:36
  It is explained in the Rex Activity Guide.
• 52:40
  If you are having issues and your supervisors and your PM's
• 52:44
  are telling you you don't scan these extra scans, you need to
• 52:48
  contact your district Rep. ASAP and let them know that is
• 52:53
  going on. They are keeping track of that.
• 52:57
  Yep, and I'm sorry I blanked out there for a second.
• 53:02
  Yes, you're getting credit if you have three packages to the
• 53:06
  door. Yes, you're getting credit for
• 53:08
  all three packages, but you're only getting credit for one
• 53:11
  trip, which is why you're going in to put the trip to door to
• 53:15
  get that dismount distance from your park point to the door.
• 53:20
  And back. Yes, I.
• 53:24
  Honestly think that should be included in the trip to door
• 53:29
  segment or all the ones that relate to delivering somewhere.
• 53:33
  Specifically it should be included that how many trips did
• 53:36
  it take you to deliver these parcels?
• 53:39
  But they won't do that because that costs them money.
• 53:41
  Yeah, just like all the other extra verifications to make sure
• 53:44
  we're not doing extra scans like clock in and things like that.
• 53:49
  Cost money to change the program like.
• 53:51
  That Yep, I would love that. That clock in would Gray out
• 53:57
  after you do it because like yesterday I went to scan my VMF
• 54:06
  scan and didn't realize it wasn't for some reason under the
• 54:10
  rec scans and I hit clock in instead of scan barcode.
• 54:16
  I'm like oh wow. Nice.
• 54:19
  Yeah. And then I went, well, that's
• 54:21
  not right. So yeah.
• 54:23
  Clock out twice too. No, I did not.
• 54:28
  Here's one Can a 41K route be cut if regular carrier exceeds
• 54:35
  evaluation weekly? Usually 1 to 1 1/2 hours weekly.
• 54:39
  It's not due to route being overburdened.
• 54:41
  Pretty sure I know the answer for the contract, but just
• 54:44
  needing confirmation. No, it's not considered
• 54:46
  overburdened. 47 or 40 eights are interim considered
• 54:53
  overburdened, interim overburdened evaluations, 40
• 54:57
  ones or not. However, there is exceptions.
• 55:01
  To that they're going if they're an hour to an hour and a half
• 55:08
  overs, which means they're doing it and 42 to 43 hours a week.
• 55:13
  That puts them and 2080 issues, potential 2080 issues, which
• 55:18
  then they could potentially try and reevaluate the route.
• 55:23
  But you got to look at is the carrier 55 and over?
• 55:28
  That too. And then the other other aspect
• 55:30
  of that is does the carrier take leave on occasion, correct the
• 55:35
  carriers taken leave that actually benefits them on the
• 55:38
  2080 issues so they don't have to worry about?
• 55:42
  Hitting 2080 like for me, me taking all this time off for
• 55:46
  Union activities benefits me in the 2080 category because I'm
• 55:51
  burning up annual leave and not putting down actual hours, and
• 55:55
  the actual hours are what the 2080 is based on.
• 55:59
  All right, this one, I'm going to tell you right now, we really
• 56:03
  don't have an answer for this one, but I'm going to read it.
• 56:07
  I'd like to hear more about CBU's and how they're counted
• 56:10
  for in Rex. I'm hearing different things as
• 56:14
  route coverage is not counting if not in D PS:.
• 56:17
  When most of my CBU's come in raw mail.
• 56:20
  This is a big deal for a lot of our routes and I'm not getting
• 56:23
  any help or answers on this topic.
• 56:26
  There is also a comment underneath this that kind of
• 56:29
  goes hand in hand that says this over 900 just added on new
• 56:33
  development. That I will not be compensated
• 56:36
  for until question mark, question mark. question mark
• 56:39
  will be over 1200 boxes. 46 K went down to a 40H.
• 56:46
  Number one, I feel sorry for every single person that has
• 56:51
  CBU's. There is not a single CBU route
• 56:55
  out there that I know of that has not been severely herded by
• 57:02
  Rex Herded. That's an interesting word.
• 57:05
  Hurt, severely hurt by Rex and there's been a lot of back and
• 57:11
  forth talking about that, including if the first address
• 57:14
  is vacant, the entire CBU is considered vacant.
• 57:18
  And of course the D PS:. Credit with Informed Visibility,
• 57:23
  which is different from Informed Delivery.
• 57:25
  Informed Visibility is the D, PS:.
• 57:28
  System scanning, the scanning the the letters as they go
• 57:33
  through the machine. And unfortunately, there are not
• 57:38
  any answers that are set in stone about CBU's anywhere in
• 57:44
  any of the materials that we have access to.
• 57:48
  And I guarantee you it's going to be the same answers up at the
• 57:51
  national level because they have the same information we do.
• 57:55
  They may know more through management than we do because
• 57:58
  they're constantly talking with management, but unfortunately.
• 58:04
  Nobody has those answers because nobody has has the transparent
• 58:10
  information to tell us and there's no transparency in recs
• 58:16
  right now. Correct drive matrix.
• 58:20
  Who wants to explain the drive matrix?
• 58:29
  Anybody Sure. You were give me just a second
• 58:33
  to pull up the 99 page guide. I know it's based off the simple
• 58:41
  terms. Sit.
• 58:43
  Sit down, Josh. Let me put it in very simple
• 58:46
  terms. Under the old system, miles were
• 58:50
  a good thing. Now miles are your enemy because
• 58:54
  of the fact that the speed matrix is based on.
• 58:58
  How fast you're traveling on the roads and they have that
• 59:01
  information inputted. So if like in my case, my speed
• 59:06
  matrix is 18 miles an hour where somebody with a 5560 mile route
• 59:13
  theirs is up at 43 miles an hour or getting paid less.
• 59:18
  Yes, and This is why my 93 mile POV route with 481 boxes.
• 59:27
  One of the reasons why it lost three hours because when you
• 59:31
  have 93 miles and only 481 boxes, that distance between the
• 59:36
  boxes is a lot greater, therefore you're not getting
• 59:41
  paid as much. Where is our 42 J that went up
• 59:44
  to a 41K? So if you were an L route in the
• 59:48
  past, which we no longer have, and you average that at.
• 59:56
  Twelve boxes per mile. You made out pretty good with
• 1:00:00
  this drive speed matrix if you were a non L route.
• 1:00:05
  You did not. You got screwed.
• 1:00:06
  Yes, you did. Yes, screwed.
• 1:00:08
  Yes. So you did the way it's broken
• 1:00:12
  down for the speed matrix, just under a mile.
• 1:00:17
  A mile is 5280 feet. At 5190 feet or greater, you
• 1:00:25
  must. Average a speed of 39.45 mph.
• 1:00:33
  So anything about a mile or more a mile or more, you've got to be
• 1:00:38
  doing almost 40 miles an hour the entire distance in order to
• 1:00:45
  equal the speed matrix. Without any traffic control
• 1:00:50
  points. Without any Tcps without any
• 1:00:54
  hindrance of. Old ladies on their Sunday drive
• 1:00:57
  on a Tuesday. None of that stuff.
• 1:01:01
  Or a gravel train that just pulled out in front of you as
• 1:01:05
  you turn the corner from your TCP.
• 1:01:08
  You know 40 miles an hour. And you got to do that.
• 1:01:12
  Especially in an LLV. You got to get that thing up to
• 1:01:16
  40 miles an hour as quickly as possible in order to match your
• 1:01:19
  speed matrix. But.
• 1:01:23
  If it's zero to 15 feet, your creep speed.
• 1:01:29
  When you put mailboxes really close together, your creep speed
• 1:01:33
  is 4.57 mph. So in between that in distances
• 1:01:40
  is 123, about 50 different levels of the speed matrix from
• 1:01:46
  that 4.57 mph all the way up to the 40 mph.
• 1:01:52
  And it's divided into, well, literally it goes from 15 feet,
• 1:01:57
  5 feet, 10 feet, 20 feet, so on up five 10/15/20, so on up the
• 1:02:03
  list as you increase the distances until you get to the
• 1:02:09
  5190 feet. And when you have a route like
• 1:02:12
  my primary where you have 10 miles from the office to the
• 1:02:15
  first box, dead head. And then you have 13 miles from
• 1:02:20
  the last box back to the office, Deadhead.
• 1:02:23
  That hurts. And if your speed limits are 25
• 1:02:27
  miles an hour all the way to your route, you're never going
• 1:02:30
  to get match the speed matrix at all on that distance unless you
• 1:02:36
  want to get a speeding ticket. And I believe some states if
• 1:02:39
  you're 20 miles or 15 miles an hour over the speed limit, it
• 1:02:44
  actually becomes an arrestible offense considered reckless
• 1:02:46
  driving. I had another one that came over
• 1:02:49
  messages on the page. You guys are going to love this
• 1:02:53
  one. I'm going to read it and then
• 1:02:57
  I'm going to let you guys handle it because I need to take a
• 1:02:59
  quick break away from the mic. Our packages counted correctly
• 1:03:05
  when someone else delivers them on static.
• 1:03:09
  I think that's what they call it when they scan them in order for
• 1:03:13
  the persons who take them. I will be right back folks.
• 1:03:18
  Alright. Static or dynamic delivery, when
• 1:03:23
  they scan them, that's scanning a couple of routes at a time as
• 1:03:30
  one delivery route. The last I heard I was that that
• 1:03:38
  does not get credited to your route I think unless it was
• 1:03:45
  scanned. Individually to the route first
• 1:03:50
  and they go back and make a static or dynamic route after
• 1:03:53
  the fact. I know at Christmas time
• 1:03:58
  National was working on supposedly working on getting
• 1:04:06
  those packages credited back to the routes.
• 1:04:11
  Don't. Don't hold your breath on that.
• 1:04:13
  No, don't hold your breath on management allowing that credit
• 1:04:17
  through and think of static and dynamic as Amazon Sunday style
• 1:04:22
  delivery for carriers. Exactly.
• 1:04:24
  It allows it allows them to actually use the scanner as a
• 1:04:28
  GPS to deliver the packages and it doesn't credit it to the
• 1:04:35
  route. It credits to the static or
• 1:04:37
  dynamic route that they create for it and.
• 1:04:42
  Just like Sunday, you don't get credit for the Amazon parcels
• 1:04:45
  that get delivered on Sundays. You're not going to get credit
• 1:04:49
  for them on static either because they're not scanned to
• 1:04:53
  your route. But like was mentioned earlier,
• 1:04:57
  if they scan it to the route first and then you separate it
• 1:05:01
  and you let them take it and they create a static route with
• 1:05:04
  that, it does give the credit to the route, you just don't get
• 1:05:08
  the delivery credit for it. And you wouldn't get the
• 1:05:10
  delivery credit for it if a sub delivered it for you under just
• 1:05:14
  standard parcel assistance. You would still get the credit
• 1:05:18
  to the route for the parcels and the and the numbers that add up
• 1:05:21
  to that. You just don't get the the added
• 1:05:24
  benefit of the delivery scan adding to your route.
• 1:05:28
  It's the same way we have the WS routes, you know on on our
• 1:05:31
  Amazon Sunday and the carriers go out and deliver it.
• 1:05:36
  Everything gets credited to the the route per se, but not to
• 1:05:41
  you. It gets credited to the Amazon
• 1:05:43
  route on Sunday. Correct.
• 1:05:45
  You know, and it it it is beneficial to everybody if you
• 1:05:52
  make sure that they're doing it the right way in your office.
• 1:05:56
  And if they're not doing it the right way, you need to
• 1:06:00
  definitely contact your designated union Rep and let
• 1:06:03
  them know that they're cheating you.
• 1:06:06
  Out of money because that's your money, That's your evaluation
• 1:06:10
  that they're cheating you out of.
• 1:06:12
  I'd still say the Rca's ought to be getting time and a half on
• 1:06:15
  Sunday. I can't argue with you there.
• 1:06:18
  They deserve it because we should be.
• 1:06:20
  We shouldn't be delivering on Sunday anyways.
• 1:06:22
  We've been a Monday through Saturday organization since we
• 1:06:25
  basically were formed. And to then throw around Sunday
• 1:06:31
  just to appease Amazon and then throwing in.
• 1:06:35
  UPS I think it was they threw in on there.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah, and everybody else. I mean, you know, yeah, if it.
• 1:06:42
  Blows in the. Westchester, right?
• 1:06:45
  They won't. Throw FedEx on because FedEx cut
• 1:06:47
  the contract with the Postal Service, but they'll throw in
• 1:06:51
  USPS parcels too. Some some officers are doing
• 1:06:55
  that now and that's that's not right either because that is
• 1:06:59
  evaluation parcels right there. Not, they say, Sunday delivery
• 1:07:05
  on them. We shouldn't be delivering
• 1:07:08
  postal products on Sunday. Yeah, well, the.
• 1:07:11
  Argument here. There is exceptions to that as
• 1:07:14
  express mail but. Right.
• 1:07:16
  There is Sunday, but we were. Express delivery but.
• 1:07:20
  If we weren't working Amazon Sunday, we wouldn't be
• 1:07:22
  delivering on on Sunday or holidays if we didn't have
• 1:07:27
  Amazon. So that's a moot point as it is.
• 1:07:30
  Unless there is an express. I was paid to have Sunday or
• 1:07:34
  holiday delivery. How did they do that before
• 1:07:38
  Amazon Sunday? We had before Amazon Sunday came
• 1:07:42
  into my old office. We did have Rca's that were,
• 1:07:47
  like I say, on call, but made themselves available in the
• 1:07:51
  event that there was an Express that needed to be delivered on a
• 1:07:54
  holiday or a Sunday and I have delivered Expresses on Sundays
• 1:07:59
  and holidays. I was on call for Christmas, for
• 1:08:02
  Expresses, Not on call I should say, but I was available.
• 1:08:06
  We had a click two come in one year and the other RCA who I had
• 1:08:10
  kids and the other RCA I'll go ahead and take them.
• 1:08:13
  So yes, there was Sunday and holiday expresses, but that was
• 1:08:20
  the. Only time and 1/2 No.
• 1:08:22
  That should be a time and a half, and the RCA should get a
• 1:08:24
  minimum of two hours for sitting around seeing if there's an
• 1:08:27
  express. But no, that was just if they
• 1:08:30
  called you if there was one, but.
• 1:08:33
  That's that's my opinion is an RCA should be quote.
• 1:08:36
  UN quote for that. But my old office was also a hub
• 1:08:39
  office, so those expresses weren't necessarily local.
• 1:08:44
  I have driven an hour and a half, two hours to deliver
• 1:08:49
  Express. I've delivered cremated remains
• 1:08:51
  on a Sunday. But I still say it should be
• 1:08:54
  time and a half and minimum of two hours and the RCA is quote
• 1:08:57
  UN quote on call volunteer. I agree.
• 1:09:01
  Well. But yeah, but.
• 1:09:04
  We can always you guys have somebody put that up as a.
• 1:09:07
  Resolution for next period. Exactly.
• 1:09:10
  Well, when I was in RCA at my first station, they would first
• 1:09:15
  take volunteers and then schedule if we didn't get enough
• 1:09:18
  people to volunteer to come in on holidays.
• 1:09:22
  To run express until the plant decided they were going to have
• 1:09:29
  the the PS, e's or whatever they're called at the time from
• 1:09:35
  the express room from them direct.
• 1:09:37
  Comment came in on that saying postmasters around here did our
• 1:09:40
  Sunday holiday express that and that and that and well, hey, I'm
• 1:09:46
  good for them. Express Mail is.
• 1:09:50
  The one and only non craft specific form of mail.
• 1:09:55
  Anybody can deliver express anywhere.
• 1:09:59
  You janitor can take an express and deliver it.
• 1:10:03
  A rule can deliver on a city. Express is The only exception.
• 1:10:07
  You If you have an express piece of mail that is addressed to a
• 1:10:11
  house that does not have a mailbox it still gets delivered
• 1:10:14
  to that address. That is the only.
• 1:10:18
  Exception. With no mail receptacle.
• 1:10:23
  Which is funny. I have one one house that has no
• 1:10:28
  mail receptacle and she mails out certified with return
• 1:10:34
  receipts and the return receipt address to deliver to is her
• 1:10:38
  home address. So she's paying for the return
• 1:10:43
  receipt service. So it isn't getting you know,
• 1:10:46
  does has at least in the last eight years that I'm on, I've
• 1:10:49
  had the route has never gotten the card back because she
• 1:10:53
  doesn't have a metal scepticle. All right so it goes to dead
• 1:10:56
  Letter and going all to the dead Letter club.
• 1:11:00
  Going back to the leave thing, leave replacements within a 50
• 1:11:05
  mile, 50 miles of your office. I know I'm trying to think of
• 1:11:12
  where I've seen The 50 Mile in writing, but again, it's one of
• 1:11:17
  those things that I don't know. But yeah, they need to check
• 1:11:21
  out. They need to check with other
• 1:11:23
  offices prior to denying leave if they can get the coverage.
• 1:11:28
  And if they don't do that, if they say they did it, have them
• 1:11:34
  proved. Say what officers did you call?
• 1:11:37
  Yep, and if you put an e-mail out, I want a copy of that
• 1:11:39
  e-mail. Yep, Yep.
• 1:11:43
  Yeah, OK, it's in an mo. UI thought it was.
• 1:11:45
  I knew it was in writing somewhere.
• 1:11:47
  I just. Now let's get back to Sundays
• 1:11:50
  with the Amazon. You know what really pisses me
• 1:11:53
  off is we have 3 Hwy. contractor routes that we have to deliver
• 1:12:00
  and that irks me to no end. I mean.
• 1:12:05
  Excuse my French, but that just fucking pisses me off because of
• 1:12:10
  the fact that the highway contractors weren't allowed to
• 1:12:14
  bid for Sunday work specifically.
• 1:12:17
  Their contract says that they're not bidding for Sunday hours and
• 1:12:22
  we have to do it. So why are we paying people to
• 1:12:27
  do highway work? That's the one thing.
• 1:12:32
  Like I said, my only saving grace right now in my office is
• 1:12:35
  the fact that we don't have Sunday Amazon delivery at this
• 1:12:37
  point. And I know my postmaster would
• 1:12:40
  probably fight that tooth and nail because she doesn't want to
• 1:12:42
  have to pay a clerk overtime to come in and sit around why we're
• 1:12:45
  out delivering. And like I said, thankfully
• 1:12:48
  that's my only saving grace at this point in time.
• 1:12:51
  I'm going to switch over and I know we've got a couple.
• 1:12:56
  Was there any of the other ones that you guys wanted to discuss
• 1:12:59
  before I switch over to the comments on the podcast pages?
• 1:13:05
  Nope. OK, I do have one going that was
• 1:13:11
  on episode 30. They commented how do you become
• 1:13:15
  a national delegate? I do believe we covered that in
• 1:13:22
  an episode. Well, I'll quickly go over that
• 1:13:25
  at some at some point usually just between December and
• 1:13:33
  February, the newsletter will have you know the national
• 1:13:39
  magazine will have the delegation nomination form with
• 1:13:46
  the appeal box for your individual state to fill it out
• 1:13:51
  and you can self nominate. Or nominate someone else.
• 1:13:56
  Mail it to that P.O. Box.
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  A ballot will then be mailed out to every member in your state
• 1:14:07
  and it'll say, like, for example, I'm in North Carolina.
• 1:14:10
  It said we had 50 delegates available this year.
• 1:14:15
  You can you are not allowed to vote for more than 50 people of
• 1:14:21
  the 70. Thump them names that were on
• 1:14:25
  the list. And it's the old it has the list
• 1:14:29
  of names that are usually random, randomly ordered.
• 1:14:32
  Put on the sheet and it has a little bubble and you just fill
• 1:14:35
  in the bubble for who you want to vote for.
• 1:14:39
  You put that in a secret ballot, A blacked out envelope which
• 1:14:44
  goes into a second envelope where you put your name and
• 1:14:47
  address so they can verify that you are a member in good
• 1:14:51
  standing. They tabulate all once they open
• 1:14:55
  that envelope, they just start it and just put the black
• 1:14:59
  envelope in a separate pile and then they go through and they
• 1:15:04
  tabulate all the votes and in order of the most votes down to
• 1:15:12
  #50. These are your delegates.
• 1:15:15
  They announced who those are at the state you mentioned.
• 1:15:19
  I believe it's has to receive at the P.O.
• 1:15:22
  Box the nomination or I'm sorry, the ballot has to receive at the
• 1:15:28
  PA secondary P.O. Box where the state convention
• 1:15:34
  location is a day or two before the convention opens, so the
• 1:15:41
  election committee. Yeah, their election committee
• 1:15:43
  comes in. Right.
• 1:15:46
  As I'm saying one to two days before the actual opening of the
• 1:15:51
  convention, of the state convention, so they can tabulate
• 1:15:54
  those votes and then they announce who from the most votes
• 1:15:59
  down to the lease votes in order of these first fifty or
• 1:16:03
  delegates, everyone after that is non is a non delegate.
• 1:16:08
  North Carolina, we pay the first three non delegates.
• 1:16:14
  The same delegate pay because potentially you'll get moved up
• 1:16:20
  as a delegate. Amazon.
• 1:16:23
  Schedules. And then states.
• 1:16:25
  Don't forget state too. You can work for a delegate for
• 1:16:28
  state and that is within your regional, regional or.
• 1:16:34
  Local district. For for my my region is my
• 1:16:39
  county that is my local unit is my county.
• 1:16:42
  There are some that are multiple counties.
• 1:16:45
  For some, for a few of them, it's the whole state, but
• 1:16:48
  that'll be in your state magazine before the national one
• 1:16:53
  comes out, So you'd be want to be looking for that too, because
• 1:16:58
  like for mine, I I put myself in to be a delegate and there
• 1:17:03
  weren't enough people running for state delegate, so I was
• 1:17:07
  automatically made a delegate basically by unanimous decision
• 1:17:12
  because there were. It was no need to vote when you
• 1:17:15
  had everybody that signed up being a delegate.
• 1:17:20
  Right. And like for example with you
• 1:17:24
  know, I don't know how any others I know like you said some
• 1:17:27
  states have a mail in for the state for your local, a delegate
• 1:17:32
  for your local district or region to the state convention.
• 1:17:37
  The way we do it is we have a sign in sheet.
• 1:17:42
  At the local meeting that gets passed around and we say if you
• 1:17:48
  know someone that you think might be attending, add their
• 1:17:51
  name. And then after it's passed
• 1:17:55
  around and all the names are collected, our secretary
• 1:17:57
  treasurer says these are the names that have been nominated
• 1:18:01
  for delegation at the state convention.
• 1:18:06
  And she reads all the names out and we take it to a verbal vote,
• 1:18:11
  an irony vote. Do we accept this list as our
• 1:18:14
  delegates from our dish, our local district, to go to the
• 1:18:18
  state convention? We have never had an issue of
• 1:18:23
  the same as James, where we've had more people on the list than
• 1:18:27
  we had available delegates. If you want to be involved, get
• 1:18:33
  involved, because there's room for you to be involved at the
• 1:18:36
  state level, there's room for you to be involved at the
• 1:18:39
  national level. Think about this.
• 1:18:42
  Last year I was a non delegate for state and for National
• 1:18:46
  Convention, but in that time I've met enough people and
• 1:18:51
  talked with enough people and enough people thought I had a
• 1:18:54
  good opinion of what what direction this union should go
• 1:18:57
  in that they elected me to be delegated at National
• 1:19:00
  Convention. This year it doesn't.
• 1:19:02
  It's not that hard to run for delegate and even if you don't
• 1:19:07
  win you can still go to the conventions and.
• 1:19:11
  Participate as a non delegate. Ask Kristen.
• 1:19:14
  She's been a non delegate at these things and still
• 1:19:18
  participated in them. Three out of my four times I
• 1:19:21
  have been an alternate delegate that did not get bumped up.
• 1:19:25
  The only time that I have been a delegate was Grapevine 2019.
• 1:19:30
  As of right now, I'm still on the alternate list, but I'll
• 1:19:33
  still be there. I can't vote.
• 1:19:35
  And I can't go to the mic without somebody requesting to
• 1:19:38
  suspend the rules and it getting voted in for me to go to the
• 1:19:42
  mic, which is a very good possibility I made with my one
• 1:19:47
  resolution that goes up. So we will see what happens.
• 1:19:52
  Just so I can speak on behalf of my resolution.
• 1:19:56
  Yeah, I go even though I I can't vote I still go and.
• 1:20:03
  Going as a state delegate first, because like I said, it's a lot
• 1:20:06
  of times in most areas it's a lot easier to become a state
• 1:20:09
  good delegate then at least you're getting to know people.
• 1:20:15
  And so maybe that next year you have a better chance of getting
• 1:20:18
  voted in as a national delegate by meeting the people and
• 1:20:22
  talking to them and getting up on the mic as a state delegate
• 1:20:28
  when you know when necessary and voicing your opinion on the
• 1:20:31
  state level. I mean it's great practice for
• 1:20:34
  the national as Josh couldn't say he was a first timer to
• 1:20:38
  national last year and he, you know, he's like that was like
• 1:20:41
  state convention on steroids and it really is.
• 1:20:48
  And and let me let me make this point.
• 1:20:50
  Not only are we doing this podcast for free on our own
• 1:20:54
  time, for your benefit and, you know, for everybody listening.
• 1:20:58
  We also use our own time, our annual leave to attend these
• 1:21:02
  conferences, state conventions, national conventions and that's
• 1:21:07
  that's vacation time for everybody else.
• 1:21:09
  But we're spending our annual leave, you know, to go to these
• 1:21:14
  things so that we're more well informed that we can pass that
• 1:21:17
  information on, that we can become more involved.
• 1:21:21
  And this is the level of commitment that this, you know,
• 1:21:25
  team of hosts have, you know. Elevated themselves too, for the
• 1:21:30
  betterment of this craft. This is not just for us, this is
• 1:21:33
  for all those people out there, everyone listening, everybody
• 1:21:36
  that gets the podcast during the week.
• 1:21:39
  We put this time in for your benefit.
• 1:21:42
  And I'm going to add to that Bill as an RCA still for a
• 1:21:46
  couple few more months anyways, up until this year, I didn't
• 1:21:49
  have leave to use and I still went to everything.
• 1:21:56
  And I didn't get paid. I didn't have leave to burn.
• 1:22:00
  That was national conventions, a whole week of no pay.
• 1:22:06
  It was in the past for me and I'm really close to only having
• 1:22:10
  maybe a few hours of leave available for this next
• 1:22:13
  convention as I was double looking at everything.
• 1:22:16
  But you know, I've going to regional conferences and state
• 1:22:22
  conventions and national conventions.
• 1:22:24
  This will be my fifth National Convention and this is the only
• 1:22:28
  one that I had leave to use for it.
• 1:22:31
  I was going to all these and cutting my paycheck drastically
• 1:22:37
  to be there for all of you. So if an RCA can put herself out
• 1:22:43
  like that, lose money to go to these conventions and represent
• 1:22:48
  us. I don't want to hear one regular
• 1:22:51
  ever tell me they don't have time to put 10 minutes a day
• 1:22:55
  into bettering their job and protecting themselves against a
• 1:22:59
  hostile work environment from tyrannical management
• 1:23:04
  individuals who have no knowledge whatsoever what we do,
• 1:23:08
  how we do it, and just berate us left and right.
• 1:23:12
  So if this RCA is willing to put her ass out there, and she and
• 1:23:15
  she does, then folks, you need to step up too.
• 1:23:21
  And think about this. I'm on table too.
• 1:23:25
  I'm living paycheck to paycheck, just like most of the rest of
• 1:23:28
  you are. I'm going to these things
• 1:23:31
  because like everybody else here, I want to know more.
• 1:23:35
  I want to be the best rural carrier I can be, with the most
• 1:23:39
  knowledge of what my job entails and what I am supposed to and
• 1:23:42
  not supposed to do. I do this to stay within my
• 1:23:45
  contract and within the law. Whether it be coming on here and
• 1:23:50
  doing this podcast and helping rural carriers out, or being
• 1:23:55
  involved at conferences and conventions and things like
• 1:23:59
  that, it's important to me to know that something's being done
• 1:24:06
  to help benefit this craft. And change.
• 1:24:09
  Because the problem is so many people have been
• 1:24:15
  disenfranchised. By the way things have been
• 1:24:19
  going. There is a massive split within
• 1:24:22
  the union itself. And we want to be the people who
• 1:24:28
  sit here and say we may not have all the answers, but we're going
• 1:24:35
  to give you as much information about your work conditions, your
• 1:24:40
  benefits, your wages, what's going on with your job, how you
• 1:24:45
  can deal with these conditions. And how you can have a voice in
• 1:24:53
  fighting for the changes that you feel need to be made.
• 1:24:58
  And how we can do a concerted effort to make our job better
• 1:25:06
  for everybody. We can sit here and spew oral
• 1:25:11
  diarrhea all night long. Talking about carrier
• 1:25:14
  discretion, this, supposedly that, and.
• 1:25:19
  But at the end of it all, our goal is for you to do all the
• 1:25:24
  research you can. Get involved, come to state
• 1:25:27
  convention, come to National Convention, go to your boosters,
• 1:25:31
  go to events that are going on, go to your county meetings, your
• 1:25:34
  regional meetings, all that stuff.
• 1:25:36
  Regional conferences are a wealth of knowledge.
• 1:25:41
  Your regional conferences, your sack, your swack, your, your
• 1:25:46
  midstates, your what all the other ones are, are Eastern,
• 1:25:51
  Eastern and pack West and Western and all that stuff.
• 1:25:57
  They are. It's not business, It's all
• 1:26:01
  information. And I I can't express enough how
• 1:26:07
  much information that you can take away from just these
• 1:26:10
  regional conferences alone. And and we like we said in the
• 1:26:14
  past, even you know, you may if you belong to the midstates but
• 1:26:18
  those dates don't work out with scheduling but you may be like
• 1:26:23
  on the border of Atlantic. Or or Swack or Sack or something
• 1:26:28
  or another. You can still sign up and go to
• 1:26:31
  these other regional conferences.
• 1:26:34
  You don't have to be part of that region and only attend that
• 1:26:41
  region if it's not going to fit in with your schedule.
• 1:26:44
  You can attend one of the other ones and I see I've seen several
• 1:26:49
  attendees that belong to a different region that go to
• 1:26:53
  other regions. Just because, well, you know,
• 1:26:56
  for one thing or another, but a lot of times it just comes down
• 1:26:58
  to schedules. And management has to give you
• 1:27:01
  the time off because it's a union function.
• 1:27:05
  Article 24. Article 24 in the contract
• 1:27:09
  management is required to give you the time off for union
• 1:27:12
  functions. I I believe it actually they
• 1:27:16
  are. Make every.
• 1:27:18
  Effort supposed to make every effort above and beyond normal
• 1:27:22
  effort. Above and beyond the normal
• 1:27:25
  effort for annual leave, and on top of that, that is one of the
• 1:27:29
  few reasons they can give leave without pay.
• 1:27:33
  Yes. Is to attend union functions so
• 1:27:37
  you don't even have to use annual leave to go to these
• 1:27:39
  things if you don't want to. I use annual leave just I use
• 1:27:45
  annual leave just to keep my paycheck going.
• 1:27:48
  You know, having that annual leave as an RCA now does benefit
• 1:27:52
  me in that aspect. I mean it is nice.
• 1:27:55
  Don't get me wrong. I you know, I and and and as an
• 1:27:59
  RCA being able to use it in hourly increments.
• 1:28:02
  I don't use a full 8 day full 8 hours a day.
• 1:28:05
  I may use you know I have a 2.67 hour ox route there.
• 1:28:10
  Depending on how many days I'm going to be gone or what I'm
• 1:28:13
  doing, I may only take two 3-4 hours tops.
• 1:28:18
  I don't use a whole day of leave for it.
• 1:28:20
  You know, 4 hours I think is the most I've done for stuff.
• 1:28:25
  You know that. That just at least gives me
• 1:28:29
  something is better than nothing on the paycheck.
• 1:28:31
  Trust me. You know when you when you get
• 1:28:33
  back after, especially after a National Convention being gone
• 1:28:35
  all week and you're only having a one week paycheck, then you
• 1:28:41
  know at least having those extra few hours helps.
• 1:28:45
  As an RCA next year I'll be regular, but.
• 1:28:50
  She I I actually talked to the regular yesterday, not
• 1:28:54
  yesterday, day before yesterday in my office and she's still
• 1:28:58
  planning on 1st of September. So I'm I was like I told her I
• 1:29:04
  said I'm counting down right there with you and I already
• 1:29:08
  told the sub that's assigned to that route.
• 1:29:12
  I already told him I said when she goes.
• 1:29:16
  And and when she goes, it's right about the time our
• 1:29:18
  seasonals start heading back S for the winter.
• 1:29:22
  I said I will help you understand what to do when it
• 1:29:26
  comes to these seasonals. And I will show him how to do an
• 1:29:29
  edit book. That way he has some knowledge
• 1:29:32
  and I'm not having to play massive cleanup When I take that
• 1:29:36
  route over. I can at least you back.
• 1:29:38
  All right. Let's you know, we'll do this.
• 1:29:40
  I'll. I'll come in, you know.
• 1:29:43
  We'll go through it together and I'll show him how it's done.
• 1:29:46
  I mean my regular, my old regular in my old office, most
• 1:29:50
  of you, I know, my cohosts that will be at National will get to
• 1:29:53
  meet her. She showed me how to do the edit
• 1:29:56
  book because when as a test study office and we did the very
• 1:29:59
  first phasing of mapping, she was one of those mapping
• 1:30:03
  facilitators that traveled. And she sat down with me and
• 1:30:07
  went over the edit book with me. That way I could keep it up
• 1:30:10
  because there was times where she was going to be gone for
• 1:30:11
  two, 3-4 weeks at a time and that's where I gained my
• 1:30:15
  knowledge. I mean.
• 1:30:17
  And I told him I will show you how to do that edit book.
• 1:30:21
  Not a problem. You know, I, I I've got regulars
• 1:30:24
  in my office that come to me about their edit books.
• 1:30:27
  It's just you know wealth of knowledge and.
• 1:30:33
  They all respect me in that aspect that, you know, hey, I've
• 1:30:36
  got a question. This is not like, Oh yeah, we
• 1:30:37
  just got to mark it this way or flip these around or, you know,
• 1:30:41
  I need to do this and consolidate on my case this way.
• 1:30:46
  And I can show them how to do all that stuff and they
• 1:30:49
  appreciate my knowledge for being able to help them, even as
• 1:30:53
  a regular. And it really gets my goat when
• 1:30:58
  regulars don't take the time with their RC A's.
• 1:31:02
  On their routes to show them how to do it correctly.
• 1:31:06
  Kristen someone in one of the I don't know if it was the check
• 1:31:11
  the chat for here or check someone says that they're not.
• 1:31:15
  They won't be able to make it to any of the regional conferences.
• 1:31:18
  Is there a way to order the transcripts?
• 1:31:21
  Is. That I do not know.
• 1:31:23
  That you would have, I don't know, I know who the mid State
• 1:31:28
  Secretary is. I don't think there's actually
• 1:31:33
  transcript. I don't think it's transcribed
• 1:31:37
  the way like national and state conventions are with an actual
• 1:31:40
  court reporter, if I'm correct. Court reporter at Mid States.
• 1:31:45
  No, there is not. Basically, you're just going to
• 1:31:47
  have to find somebody that was there and that took notes.
• 1:31:51
  Unfortunately, there is no transcriptions for that.
• 1:31:55
  Oh gosh. There was something else I was
• 1:31:56
  going to say, oh, I want to put this out there for everybody.
• 1:32:00
  As of right now, we have a table for National Convention Banquet.
• 1:32:05
  I do have a few tickets open like 2, possibly three.
• 1:32:09
  I'm still waiting on the final headcount, but if there's any of
• 1:32:12
  you out there that are going to national and I went ahead and
• 1:32:17
  paid for this table ahead of time.
• 1:32:19
  If there is anybody of you there's going to National and
• 1:32:22
  did not get it. Whether it's a last minute sign
• 1:32:25
  up or you weren't sure if you could afford the banquet or
• 1:32:28
  you're not sure if you wanted to go to the banquet and you want
• 1:32:30
  to go to the banquet and you want to sit with us, please
• 1:32:33
  reach out to our Facebook page and I'll hook you up, no charge.
• 1:32:41
  I will have a final headcount here shortly.
• 1:32:44
  And how many banquet tickets we have and if I have to kind of do
• 1:32:48
  a drawing on it, but those that are interested in sitting at the
• 1:32:51
  table with us, like I said, two, possibly three open seats for
• 1:32:55
  the banquet, please let me know and we'll go from there.
• 1:32:59
  And you get to meet the hosts of the show.
• 1:33:01
  And you get to sit with us at banquet.
• 1:33:02
  So hey, it could be a fun time. And no, we're not celebrities.
• 1:33:08
  And no, we're not signing anything.
• 1:33:10
  No, no, I'm just offering a couple extra seats that we have
• 1:33:13
  up that. Unfortunately, you know, some
• 1:33:14
  people either or I went ahead and reserved a whole table and
• 1:33:19
  we'll fill those however it needs to be.
• 1:33:21
  But I would rather put that out to our listeners.
• 1:33:23
  Anybody that wants to sit with us at banquet, if you don't have
• 1:33:25
  a banquet ticket, we will see what we can do.
• 1:33:29
  Like I said, it'll be only a couple, but hey, we'll see what
• 1:33:32
  we can do. And I'll pick up the slack, OK?
• 1:33:37
  It's already paid for, checks cleared.
• 1:33:39
  I'm good. But I know we yeah, I'm an RCA.
• 1:33:43
  I put that money out again. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:33:48
  Well. Taking care.
• 1:33:50
  Of. Everybody at the PA, at the PA
• 1:33:53
  State convention, we were 35 tickets short for the Veterans
• 1:33:57
  Club and I bought them up and they were handing them out.
• 1:34:01
  They were handing out free membership to these people and
• 1:34:03
  they're like, well, I don't want to join.
• 1:34:05
  It's already paid for. Oh, OK.
• 1:34:08
  Oh, as soon as it's paid for, they said, oh, OK, I was like,
• 1:34:12
  you know, no big deal. But I, you know, I hate to see
• 1:34:15
  anything lost on the veterans group.
• 1:34:18
  OK. So we are going to wind it down
• 1:34:20
  a little bit longer than what we've had in the past few
• 1:34:22
  episodes, but that's OK. I'm back.
• 1:34:25
  I got a few of you that reached out and said we missed you last
• 1:34:29
  week and all. Thank you.
• 1:34:30
  I appreciate that. I kind of missed you.
• 1:34:33
  Too. I guess, sure.
• 1:34:38
  But yeah, I really needed that personal time away.
• 1:34:41
  It was like I said, I'm still kind of physically recovering
• 1:34:44
  from it, but I'm not in my 20s anymore.
• 1:34:52
  But yeah, we're going to wind down.
• 1:34:54
  So, Josh, any last thoughts, comments, whatever need be for
• 1:35:00
  this evening? They be safe out there.
• 1:35:04
  Stay hydrated. Know the symptoms.
• 1:35:08
  If you're not feeling, if you're starting to not feel well, get
• 1:35:12
  out of the heat, get out of the sun.
• 1:35:16
  If you get overwhelmed, you know and call back and tell them
• 1:35:21
  whether you send a message through the scanner.
• 1:35:24
  Call them, text, whatever however you need to.
• 1:35:26
  Just let them know. Look, I'm not feeling good.
• 1:35:29
  The heat's getting to me. That way they can't say anything
• 1:35:32
  to you for sitting still for a while.
• 1:35:36
  Don't get overwhelmed. If you do.
• 1:35:38
  Take a step back, take a deep breath, step back in, have a
• 1:35:42
  good week. See you next time.
• 1:35:44
  I'm going to add to that real quick.
• 1:35:45
  I do highly recommend if you can call to please call the office.
• 1:35:51
  I had an issue with one of my other Rca's who is not heat
• 1:35:55
  tolerant in the least bit who texted the supervisor.
• 1:36:00
  She he, according to his phone, showed that she read it but she
• 1:36:03
  never replied. He was getting a hold of me and
• 1:36:09
  when I got back to the office I said something to her.
• 1:36:12
  She had actually not seen that text and said why didn't he
• 1:36:15
  call? They still want to kind of argue
• 1:36:18
  with me with going out and helping him because of ad hoc
• 1:36:22
  time and being on some list, I don't know.
• 1:36:25
  So they finally just said just put it down as a split.
• 1:36:28
  I went and found him. He was in rough shape.
• 1:36:32
  I was really worried about him. Unfortunately, they would not
• 1:36:35
  let me take the rest of the route off of him.
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  So I took a good portion off of him and luckily had the next
• 1:36:43
  couple days to go home and rest and rehydrate.
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  But I do recommend calling. If it's a situation to where
• 1:36:51
  you're in dire need, please call 911.
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  And then whoever responds can call your office as well.
• 1:37:00
  If you are, you're trying to call the office.
• 1:37:02
  You can't get a hold of anybody. Call 911 because your safety
• 1:37:08
  comes first and foremost, and that first responder can then
• 1:37:13
  try and get a hold of the office as well.
• 1:37:16
  They could radio dispatch. They could send an officer to
• 1:37:19
  the office if they need me to get a hold of somebody.
• 1:37:22
  But yes, your your safety, your health is #1.
• 1:37:28
  Always. Always, James, go ahead.
• 1:37:32
  Yeah, and remember, it's not a matter of focusing on getting
• 1:37:41
  the route done, stuff like that. That's what put me down.
• 1:37:45
  I was 30 minutes from the end of my route and I was feeling
• 1:37:50
  exhausted, feeling lightheaded, and I pushed through it.
• 1:37:56
  And that put me down for three days.
• 1:37:59
  It could have killed me. I made the mistake of pushing
• 1:38:05
  through it instead of taking a break, cooling myself off and
• 1:38:12
  trying to keep myself alive. I pushed through on the basis
• 1:38:16
  that I wanted to get done, to get to the office air
• 1:38:19
  conditioning, and I made that almost fatal mistake.
• 1:38:25
  Yeah. And that's probably what
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  happened with me Monday. And then instead of taking
• 1:38:32
  Tuesday off, I, you know, I just chalked it up to the one time,
• 1:38:36
  you know, you know, maybe I actually didn't drink enough or
• 1:38:40
  whatever and then went in Tuesday and I said today
• 1:38:44
  Tuesday. But when I got, when I got home,
• 1:38:47
  after I got home, I was starting to feel it, which is why I
• 1:38:50
  decided to call out for Wednesday.
• 1:38:52
  And the worst part is. That's when they had the call
• 1:38:57
  out. System was down because they
• 1:38:59
  were merging it. They were updating the software
• 1:39:02
  and merging it from luring saver to text.
• 1:39:05
  Yeah, so I had to actually wait until Wednesday morning and just
• 1:39:11
  had to keep calling the office until someone answered.
• 1:39:14
  Yeah, I don't. I don't want to ever go through
• 1:39:17
  that again. And I make sure that when I
• 1:39:20
  start feeling hot, I stop and cool off.
• 1:39:24
  I have places. I parked my truck underneath the
• 1:39:27
  tree and let the truck cool off. Well, I get out of the truck to
• 1:39:32
  cool off. Yeah, because those trucks are
• 1:39:36
  in that truck. You will not cool off sitting in
• 1:39:39
  that truck trying to cool off. And those trucks can be 20
• 1:39:42
  degrees or more warmer on the inside than they are on the
• 1:39:45
  outside. And you have to remember you
• 1:39:48
  have an engine and exhaust right in front of and right under.
• 1:39:54
  The driver's seat. The exhaust pipe runs right
• 1:39:57
  under the driver's seat and whoever.
• 1:39:59
  So you're getting that heat coming up through the truck even
• 1:40:02
  when you're sitting in the shade.
• 1:40:05
  So do what you can to keep yourself safe, keep yourself
• 1:40:10
  cool and just do your job to the best of your ability so you can
• 1:40:16
  go home at the end of the night. That's all I got.
• 1:40:22
  Bill. Well, I'm glad James cleared up
• 1:40:25
  the exhaust under a truck because my exhaust has enough
• 1:40:27
  heat of its own. But yeah, James, James and Josh
• 1:40:36
  both made the fatal mistakes of thinking of pushing themselves
• 1:40:39
  and and that is the fatal mistake.
• 1:40:44
  As soon as you feel like that, you know that you know you want
• 1:40:47
  to get done and you you're trying to push through it.
• 1:40:50
  That's when you, your common sense has to kick in and you
• 1:40:52
  have to step out of that vehicle, open up the doors, even
• 1:40:56
  open up the back, get some air flowing through there, get the
• 1:40:58
  metal cooled down a little bit, sit under a tree and take as
• 1:41:02
  much time as you need. Because when you push like that,
• 1:41:07
  folks, that's when you know accidents are going to happen.
• 1:41:11
  And like you said, don't. Don't call the office, call 911.
• 1:41:16
  And let them make you know, call the office or send a patrol car
• 1:41:19
  to the office. Whatever God's sakes, this job
• 1:41:23
  is not worth your life, OK? And we've always had several
• 1:41:27
  carriers lost on both sides of the craft.
• 1:41:30
  Take care of yourselves, I always say, You know, make sure
• 1:41:33
  that you get home. You're the most important
• 1:41:34
  delivery today. I don't know you.
• 1:41:37
  You don't know me. But trust me, I I don't want to
• 1:41:41
  read any more deaths. Delivering, you know, packages
• 1:41:45
  in the Amazon, the dog food. It's not worth your life, ladies
• 1:41:50
  and gentlemen. Get home to the ones that love
• 1:41:52
  you. You're the most important
• 1:41:54
  delivery, and I mean that. Absolutely.
• 1:41:57
  And we are posting record temperatures in many parts of
• 1:42:01
  the US and you know, I'm, I'm not going to say global warming
• 1:42:08
  is true or not. That's not my decision to say on
• 1:42:11
  that, but. The heat thing is real.
• 1:42:15
  I mean, I experienced that last weekend.
• 1:42:18
  You know, I was in Ohio, temperatures were in the mid
• 1:42:22
  80s. But I am surrounded by 25,000
• 1:42:25
  people. It makes it a lot hotter than
• 1:42:30
  what it normally is. No shade and it was rough in
• 1:42:35
  some spots. I will, I will tell you.
• 1:42:37
  Luckily they had hydration stations and.
• 1:42:39
  Saturday I remembered I packed my cool, my, my USBS cooling
• 1:42:43
  towels for my daughter and I. And so every time we went and
• 1:42:47
  refilled our water bottles, we were, you know, wetting down our
• 1:42:51
  cooling towels to take with us. It it's real.
• 1:42:54
  It's not even just in the mail trucks.
• 1:42:57
  It can happen just being out and about and outside in the heat as
• 1:43:01
  well. And they were taught, you know,
• 1:43:03
  my daughter's all like, I do this.
• 1:43:04
  I'm like, yeah, I'm going to sit here in front of these huge fans
• 1:43:08
  in the VIP section that I paid $200.00 extra a ticket for and
• 1:43:13
  I'm going to stay cool, you know, Don't forget sunscreen as
• 1:43:17
  well. Even if it's a cloudy day, you
• 1:43:20
  can still be submitted to those nasty, nasty rays.
• 1:43:26
  Don't you know, stay cool, stay hydrated, don't chug ice cold
• 1:43:30
  water because that can be detrimental to you as as well if
• 1:43:35
  you're in a situation to where you can get to air conditioning
• 1:43:39
  whether it's a business on your route.
• 1:43:41
  I know one of my routes has an apartment complex that has the
• 1:43:44
  old centralized boxes in the wall that you key in and pull
• 1:43:47
  them out and their air conditioned.
• 1:43:50
  I will take my time in there just to try and cool down a
• 1:43:53
  little bit when I'm delivering that mail.
• 1:43:56
  You know it. I would say I just wanted to
• 1:43:59
  touch back based on you were saying on the sunscreen on a
• 1:44:04
  cloudy day. On a cloudy day, it's probably
• 1:44:07
  the movie is probably worse than on a sunny day.
• 1:44:12
  Yep. Yeah, because you're thinking
• 1:44:14
  it's cloudy. I don't need sunscreen.
• 1:44:15
  Yeah, you do. That I lathered up all last
• 1:44:19
  week, and even on Saturday when it rained intermittently, we
• 1:44:22
  still made sure we put that sunblock on before we left to
• 1:44:25
  the festival grounds. And we took it with us and we
• 1:44:28
  reapplied as needed throughout the day.
• 1:44:32
  You know, seek where you can cool yourself down.
• 1:44:36
  I mean parking in the shade, turning that truck off.
• 1:44:39
  Get out of the truck to cool yourself down.
• 1:44:45
  Call your office. You got not getting any response
• 1:44:47
  from your office. It's getting bad.
• 1:44:49
  You call 911. You do what you have to do to
• 1:44:54
  protect yourselves. They said I have another care,
• 1:44:58
  another RCA in my office who you know is not.
• 1:45:02
  It is. I'm not a very heat tolerant
• 1:45:04
  person as is. My tolerance level has gone up
• 1:45:07
  since I've had this job. But I'm still.
• 1:45:09
  I am not a very heat talent person.
• 1:45:12
  Never have been. I like my cold A/C.
• 1:45:15
  And I'm very much a a a cold winter person.
• 1:45:19
  I guess that just comes from living in northern Michigan.
• 1:45:22
  But you know, I I still check on him, even if I know it's hot and
• 1:45:28
  I'm at a spot where I can stop. I will call him.
• 1:45:31
  I will send him a text. Hey, how you doing?
• 1:45:33
  When I've gone out and helped him and I see that he's getting
• 1:45:37
  you know, he's hot dude, I've got some cold water some
• 1:45:39
  Gatorade. He's, you know, he's all set.
• 1:45:42
  But when he went that one day when I went out to help him,
• 1:45:44
  after I had to fight to go help him, I had to argue that with my
• 1:45:50
  management going, this is more than likely heat related.
• 1:45:55
  He needs some assistance. And when I went out there and I
• 1:45:58
  saw how rough a shape he was in and he had told me he had took
• 1:46:02
  an assup, a Gatorade and you'll say it didn't hold it down.
• 1:46:08
  That had me worried and the fact that they wouldn't let me take,
• 1:46:11
  I had to follow direct order and so I took as much off of I can
• 1:46:15
  to get him back and he was back to the office before I was and
• 1:46:18
  he really appreciated that help. But watch out for each other and
• 1:46:22
  I think that's going to be my hardest thing when I go regular
• 1:46:25
  is that I am such a team player and I'm kind of like that mom,
• 1:46:28
  you know, I I'm still one of the younger ones in my office
• 1:46:32
  though. I'm 45.
• 1:46:34
  I'm a mom of three people. I've always been that caretaker
• 1:46:37
  of everybody and I still watch out for everybody in my office
• 1:46:42
  and especially my newer RCA's. And especially if I know that
• 1:46:46
  they're not heat tolerant or they're not cold tolerant or you
• 1:46:49
  know they can't handle the extreme colds.
• 1:46:50
  You know you, you got to help them out and you have to watch
• 1:46:54
  out for each other. You have to be a team player.
• 1:46:57
  That's my biggest thing is yes, we're out on these routes so
• 1:47:00
  low, but. We're a team in that office and
• 1:47:05
  if you can stay that team even a little bit, checking in on
• 1:47:08
  somebody that you know is not tolerating something or is
• 1:47:12
  having some issues, you know, check in with them.
• 1:47:15
  Whether it's heat, mental, whatever it is, you have to help
• 1:47:23
  each other out, whether it's lifting them up, whether it's
• 1:47:27
  making sure they've got fluids. Or any of that measure.
• 1:47:32
  I guess that's just kind of the nurturing person and me and
• 1:47:35
  that's just how I am. But I'm not going to ramble
• 1:47:38
  anymore guys, so. I thought you were doing such a
• 1:47:41
  fine job at rambling. Thank you, Phil.
• 1:47:44
  I, I, I care about each and everyone of you.
• 1:47:47
  Whether you're in my office, you're in my old office.
• 1:47:50
  I still keep in touch with people in my my former office.
• 1:47:54
  I keep in touch with all these guys.
• 1:47:56
  I mean, we talk every day. Bill and I talk on the phone a
• 1:47:59
  few times a week sometimes. You know, James and I talk every
• 1:48:02
  day. Josh and I talk every day.
• 1:48:04
  You know, it's in one form or another.
• 1:48:07
  We, I care about each and every one of you out there and the
• 1:48:17
  only way that we can get. To where we need to be is to
• 1:48:21
  care about each other and have each other's backs.
• 1:48:25
  So on that note, we are going to end tonight and we should be
• 1:48:30
  back next week. I don't have anything going on.
• 1:48:33
  You guys have anything going on? No.
• 1:48:35
  OK, we'll be back next week and you all have a safe week.
• 1:48:39
  Stay cool out there. I know some temperatures are
• 1:48:41
  rising in the areas. Stay hydrated and have a good
• 1:48:45
  week everybody.