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Drive Thru News #60: Where have all the "good cars" gone? · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to the Drive through episode number 60.
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  We've been missing you, Brad.
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  We're back.
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  Number 60.
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  Number 60.
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  Better late than never.
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  Number 60.
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  See.
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  Who loves you baby.
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  What is that from?
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  That's from Kojack.
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  Kojack.
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  Yeah.
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  I, with the, with the Lollipop.
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  He's like, who loves you baby?
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  Yeah.
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  You talk about all these shows from like, your childhood.
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  My C child, they were in re they were old when I was young.
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  Kojack was like 19 Sesame sixties.
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  Yeah, but you're an old soul.
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  I mean, I, I never watched MacGyver.
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  I never watched Magnum Pi never watched Nightrider.
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  I never watched Fall Guy.
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  What?
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  Blast Femur.
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  I bet you watched Mash too.
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  Didn't you watch MASH A little bit?
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  I watched TI bet I knew.
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  I knew I didn't like Mash.
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  I thought it was kind of boring.
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  But you know what's funny, Pluto tv, they have a channel
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  dedicated to all these shows.
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  You can just watch 'em.
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  Fantastic.
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  I've got a lot more free time now, so I should go ahead and put that on.
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  Uh, I digress.
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  What do we got today, Eric?
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  Well, I'm gonna start off with an apology to our listeners for your voice.
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  Oh, thanks.
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  Great.
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  Normally when we do like a big thing, like you go to Lama or classic or
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  whatever, we take that month off.
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  But instead we did a recap with William and we took the next month off, but
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  we had a very, very good excuse.
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  Are you sorry for taking the time off or are you sorry for coming back?
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  That depends on the audience.
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  Arbitron is gonna send us new numbers and metrics.
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  It's all gonna work out.
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  Scantron,
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  we had a good excuse.
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  We went to a pro race together for the first time in many years.
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  We went back to our old stomping grounds.
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  We went to an IMSA race at VIR and it got in the way of recording
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  episode 60 at its normal time.
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  So.
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  We're back, which is awesome.
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  And not only are we back, we're back with Brad in the
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  passenger seat, no guest co-host.
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  This month we got the full Brad, full stories, full fun, full comedy,
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  whatever you want to call it.
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  So we're gonna go on a little digital road trip with you because this month's
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  showcase was actually your idea.
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  So you asked me what was in store this month.
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  You tell the audience what's in store, what are we gonna be talking about?
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  The title here says, where did all the good cars go?
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  I don't know if these were necessarily good cars.
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  They were cars that I was interested in or, I mean, I'm sure lots of
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  people were interested in 'cause they, they were the cool cars, the
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  hit cars to have back in the day.
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  Good cars.
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  I think that's debatable.
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  But where did all the good cars go?
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  Well, let's define a good car.
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  Using the lens of our childhood.
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  So what would you have put in that category?
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  Give an example of what you're thinking of.
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  When I was a teenager in high school, lusting after vehicles up through
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  my twenties or whatever it was, the heyday of the nineties cars.
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  So the, the Japanese halo cars, obviously you, your RX sevens, your
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  3000 gts, your 300 ZXs, the Supra, of course the Honda Dell Soul.
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  The Honda Dell Soul.
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  Yeah.
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  Stop.
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  Stop.
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  Did you just say that the Honda Del Soul?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  The Honda Quaalude had to add in those nineties cars, the mid-engine look
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  with all the front wheel drive trash.
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  That's what Del Soul translates to in English.
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  That made no sense.
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  Why was that car front wheel drive with mid engine unbelievable.
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  And then it had that roll down glass.
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  That partition.
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  Oh, the car was bizarre.
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  Just buy a regular civic.
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  Save yourself the indecency.
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  Just buy a Miata.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, there's no point.
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  Buy a Miata.
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  And then the, the Subaru Impreza 2.5 Rs before the WRX came.
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  Yeah, the Acura Integra.
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  You know the Civic sis like all that stuff.
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  You gotta get it right, man.
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  Integra an integral part of my automotive child rearing.
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  Did you notice though, Tanya, in that list, like 99% of those are all Gs.
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  They're all jets.
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  Why?
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  But the problem with the German cars at that time is they were relics from
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  the seventies that were made into poster cars that we all salivate over.
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  You think about the Kunta basically developed in the seventies.
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  If you look at the nine thirties started in the seventies, right.
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  So yeah, you, you make a good point, but I think you're missing my point.
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  My point is the cars that weren't necessarily unobtainium, right.
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  A Kunta was unobtainium any Porsche, you know, it, it is just like
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  something I wouldn't be able to have.
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  That's the problem.
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  They were too expensive German cars.
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  We actually, fun had this conversation with mom the other day.
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  We were talking about the Audi, the red one.
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  That car new in 1990 was like 35,000.
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  She said, not that they got it new 'cause they got it pre-owned or whatever.
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  Well, we went to Connecticut and bought it from those people.
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  $35,000 today.
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  That was an $86,000 car.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  God damn.
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  Yeah.
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  Now granted that car was beyond its time for 1990 with all the features it had.
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  So let me put that in perspective for you.
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  That's the second generation Quatro Coop.
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  The Ur Quatro in 1981 also retailed for $35,000.
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  Would you like to know what?
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  In 20, $25 even more?
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  125 grand.
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  That's base model nine 11 today.
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  How much was Adele Soul in 1997?
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  What it's worth today?
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  Probably $5 in a bucket of chicken.
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  Well, there you go.
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  Right, because what did you have in the nineties?
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  You had the Audi Quatros, some Z car BMWs.
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  The Mercedes was the 500 back then.
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  The one 90 E was like the one 90 thing.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  You had e thirties as BMWs.
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  The Germans were all still kind of niche products.
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  Yeah.
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  Like BMW had the three series, the five series, the seven series.
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  As far as like cars that I saw on the road, I mean they, they obviously had
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  the eight series and the six series, you know, back in the eighties or whatever.
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  Never saw 'em.
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  We haven't mentioned Volkswagen yet.
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  What did they have in the nineties?
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  They had the carrado.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Which I knew nothing about, that nobody wanted, for God knows what reason.
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  I knew absolutely nothing about Volkswagen until it was time for me
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  to start buying a car back in 2001.
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  And my friend just randomly said, oh, you should go check out Volkswagen.
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  And the first Volkswagen I ever drove was a turbo beetle.
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  Oh, really?
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  It was before the turbos came out.
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  I drove one, I was so ready to buy it.
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  Wow.
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  It was like called like vortex blue.
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  It was almost like a purplish blue kind of.
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  I was so ready to buy it.
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  And then my buddy was like, man, you're gonna look like a, you know,
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  if you drive that car, you can't get that.
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  But he, he was like, yeah, you, you won't like that car.
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  You should look at the GTI.
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  It's the same car.
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  And then I went and test drove with GTI and was like, oh, it's the same car.
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  So I, I bought the gti I, but before then, I didn't know
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  anything about Volkswagen at all.
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  E even like hanging out with you in high school and stuff, like, I had no clue.
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  Yeah.
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  I knew nothing about cars, but I think going back to your original question,
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  where have all those cars gone?
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  Simple math says that most of them have rotted into the ground at this point
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  because you had some shoddy build quality.
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  All the German cars weren't yet galvanized and you know, they just rotted
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  as you looked at 'em kind of thing.
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  I mean, if you've ever looked at a late mark two golf that doesn't have a, you
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  know, a hole the size of my head somewhere in it that it needs to be patched up.
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  Obviously that car's got a hundred grand of restoration work in it,
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  you know, that kind of thing.
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  But my point is.
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  I think a lot of our generation, we kept our first cars.
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  I, I didn't, you and I have been through so many cars over the
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  years between the two of us.
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  We've passed many people's lifetimes at this point.
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  But like Tanya still has her first car and then has continued
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  to amass cars since then.
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  And so I would've liked to have done the same thing if I had
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  the space, but I don't, I need a warehouse at this point for that.
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  So I think there's people holding onto the cars.
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  I think there's others that saw untimely demise where maybe they
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  got wrecked or destroyed, or a lot of them got turned into track cars.
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  'cause you do see a lot of those nineties cars at SCCA and they're just getting the
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  snot beat out of 'em and stuff like that.
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  So that leaves a really small margin of cars that are left.
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  If you're looking at it from a collector's perspective, now that
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  you have a little bit more liquidity, maybe you know your peak earning
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  potential and you're like, we all fall victim to this as car enthusiasts.
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  I wanna buy the car I had in high school, or I wanna buy the car
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  I lusted after in high school.
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  And that presents a challenge, and I'm gonna bring a real
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  world situation to the table.
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  One of the cars on your list was the Integra.
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  Integra, especially the type R. Like the mid nineties to late nineties type R'S.
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  97, 98, I think they were in their $30,000 price range.
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  MSRP was 12,000 bucks.
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  I looked it up for Integra type R base Integra 12 grand.
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  Right.
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  So type R. Yeah.
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  You're gonna tack on top of that.
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  Right?
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  Because I remember going to the dealership before I got the GTI and
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  I was test driving 'em and I I test drove like a GR RS or, or like a, yeah,
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  whatever the, there was a bunch of different models, GST and blah blah blah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  The Integra GR dash s or whatever it was.
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  I couldn't afford the the type R. Let's take a base Integra like
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  the plain J and drive it to work.
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  Let's say it's 12 grand in today's dollars.
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  That's only 24,000 bucks, right?
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  'cause you're basically doubling over what it costs 30 years ago.
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  Yeah.
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  However, blew my mind when I saw this article come across from
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  the drive A type R recently sold on bring a trailer for $204,000.
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  Even adjusted for inflation.
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  That's not even close to what that thing should be worth in mint condition.
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  I, I'm gonna theorize here, that's somebody that lusted after that
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  car all through their childhood or their parents had one or something.
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  It is their dream car.
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  They have fu money and I'm just gonna do it.
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  I'm just gonna buy the car.
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  I've always wanted.
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  I agree with you.
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  And I could see that scenario if you came and told me it's sold for 50, 65 at most.
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  And I go, yeah, you bought your passion.
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  Maybe it's got no miles.
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  It's got like 5,000 miles on it.
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  You bought a brand new.
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  1997 Ty R today, and you just went for it and you spent 50 grand, but 200 grand.
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  That's more than just you money, dude, that's a gambling problem.
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  That's more than some people's houses in the middle of America.
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  Yeah.
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  But you can buy so much more car.
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  Oh yeah.
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  And so, so that's also part of the problem, like with
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  looking back at these cars.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  The ones that may still be left and it's like, I've got 40 grand and I
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  want to buy a car and I'm reliving my childhood, you know, my youth
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  and nostalgia and yada yada yada.
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  And I want to go buy an RX seven or a 3000 GT or something.
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  They're hard to find or whatever.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Let's be more realistic.
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  I wanna buy a manual V six Maxima.
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  Oh.
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  Because those cars used to be the shit back in the nineties too.
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  That's true.
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  I give you that.
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  They were quick and I feel like that's more realistic than say like a type R
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  or like a a mark four super or whatever.
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  You go do that, you spend 40 grand on that, and then you're
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  left with a 30-year-old car.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Whereas someone that we know just went and bought a car that would
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  totally outperform that car.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Every single way for cheaper.
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  A hundred percent.
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  Or for example, you could go to the dealership right now and pick up a Camry
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  that would outperform, my God, that car that you wasted after in the nineties.
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  Yeah.
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  In every single way Camry today would demolish an EG rock.
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  I know.
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  I know.
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  It's ridiculous.
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  Like 300 horsepower out of the box would be embarrassing.
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  I'm glad you went to the Maxima because that brings up another
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  conversation that blossomed on discord over the last month, which is.
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  Another brand that was hot when we were teenagers, which we don't talk about
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  too much today, which is Infiniti, which is a derivative of Nissan, right?
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  During that whole period, Acura was the luxury version of Honda.
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  Lexus, the luxury version of Toyota Infiniti's, the luxury
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  version of Nissan, right?
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  It's a bunch of badge engineering and we lusted over those cars
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  'cause they were different and they were unique and they were cool.
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  And you know, it wasn't a Honda and it wasn't a Toyota.
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  So Nissan, like we've said before, always pushing the boundaries in the JDM space.
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  And I hate to say, with things changing as much as they are at Nissan, some
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  of that might go away in the near future, but that's all to speculation.
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  But when was the last time you saw an infinity?
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  Because I read an article which spawned this whole conversation about how
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  Nissan is going to come out with a new infinity that will revitalize the
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  real wheel drive sports saloon market.
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  Like they're gonna take on BMW and the M three and the M four and
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  the M five with this new Infinity.
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  And I'm like, they're already kind of doing that though because the Infinity
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  Q sixties have the same motor as the 400 horsepower Z. We need to reverse for
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  a second before we go down this road.
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  Oh, do we?
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  Yes.
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  Because what?
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  1990s Infinity was cool.
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  That's where I was.
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  'cause the G 37 came out in the two thousands, 2013 there was the I 30.
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  There was the Q like 80 or whatever they were.
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  All those weird little cel looking infinities.
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  Didn't they have the M 45?
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  That big boat?
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  That thing was gangster.
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  That was like early two thousands.
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  That car was awesome.
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  I loved that car.
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  The G 20 at the end tail end of the nineties.
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  The G 30 came out the same time as the three 50 Z did.
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  Well, hold on.
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  Lemme, I'm gonna look this up.
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  See, we don't know Jack about infinity, that's the problem.
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  That's because nobody gives a crap.
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  They did a terrible job of marketing those two.
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  So there was the 2008, the Infinity G 35.
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  Again, we still haven't hit anything.
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  So the two quote, coolest infinities, still have yet to have been born.
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  The two thousands is still in our window of opportunity.
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  2008. You're an adult.
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  You sure about that?
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  Full adult at a real job.
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  There was the Q 45, which is like the big, like ls, yeah.
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  Luxury sedan kind of thing.
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  There's the M 30, still not in the nineties.
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  Yeah, the Q 45.
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  Yeah, it was, it was 2006 Infinity, Q 45, 19 90, 19 96.
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  Right.
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  I remember the I 20 was basically a Sentra that was hopped up the G 20.
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  I thought there was an I 20 as well.
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  G 20 basically looks like a G 37.
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  The G 20 was the entry level luxury sedan.
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  The J 30 was the one that kind of ripped off Jaguar's look.
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  Yeah, that was that really amorphous one.
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  That was like a marshmallow on wheels.
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  I remember that one.
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  Yeah.
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  And then the, the QX four was the Pathfinder.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  You're right.
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  So anyway, they had some stuff out there.
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  Okay.
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  All right.
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  But the point is when you go down the road.
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  When was the last time you saw an infinity?
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  Every morning When I see that blue G 37.
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  That's the only one I see.
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  Ran when parked.
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  What infinity, are you talking like an infinity from the
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  nineties and early two thousands?
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  Or like any infinity because I, I see infinities all the time.
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  I couldn't tell you when.
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  I've seen a nineties one.
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  I saw a QX four at the shop when I was getting my vehicle inspection.
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  You mostly see the SUVs now?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, because they have the same motor as the Nissan Z.
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  They've got the VQ or whatever.
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  Yes, the newer ones.
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  Okay.
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  The SUVs on the road.
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  That's fine.
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  All the dealerships that I knew of in the area have dried up.
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  I don't know where there's an Infinity dealership anymore, so I'm
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  not even gonna worry about that.
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  There's one down the road.
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  Oh my God, you guys are the worst.
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  I don't even know.
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  I couldn't have told you where an Infinity dealer was 20 years ago, let alone today.
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  I think it's one of those things that when you're thinking about 'em, then you see
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  them everywhere, but because you don't think about them, you don't see them.
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  Selective vision.
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  No.
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  My point is.
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  No one is thinking about Infiniti.
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  Nobody's considering it as a brand.
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  And if you told me, Hey, I'm gonna go spend 60, $70,000 on a competitive product
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  between an Infiniti and A BMW, when you roll up, I don't know, wherever you work,
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  the office or the golf course, or wherever you're taking your car, what's gonna carry
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  the status if I can, dollar for dollar.
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  I'm gonna buy the BMW, I'm not gonna buy an Infinity.
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  Like it's a weird space to be in and it's a weird space for Nissan to target
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  to try to build back their brand.
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  It's like sell a cool Nissan Saloon.
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  Not an Infinity.
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  A brand that people don't recognize.
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  Gotta sell a cooler Ultima baby.
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  You gotta those Altimas, to your point, the problems with the
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  Infinity, it's trying to compete, but it doesn't compete on any level.
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  Correct.
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  It can't compete with BMW.
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  'cause like you're saying, it doesn't have the panache, it
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  doesn't have the performance, it doesn't have the wow factor.
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  Yep.
• 16:38
  Certainly doesn't compete with Lexus because it doesn't have the
• 16:41
  reliability, so it's sort of a dud.
• 16:43
  Yeah.
• 16:43
  Good for them.
• 16:44
  Nissan is coming out, hopefully cross the fingers.
• 16:47
  More cars with manual transmissions.
• 16:49
  We'll talk about that in a little bit.
• 16:50
  If they're gonna add another one to the fleet, I would love to
• 16:53
  see this as some of the four door Nissans that are sold in Japan.
• 16:58
  Just go with the Nissan brand, a brand that people recognize.
• 17:01
  We'll leave that where it is.
• 17:02
  Do we remember the time the Infinity commercials?
• 17:05
  The guy with the Apple, they have commercials.
• 17:08
  Ah, with the Apple.
• 17:09
  Wouldn't that an Infinity commercial?
• 17:10
  That like British actor Dude, British.
• 17:12
  He, he was the guy who was in Pirates of the Caribbean as the governor or whatever.
• 17:16
  I think it was that dude.
• 17:17
  No, it wasn't him.
• 17:18
  No, it wasn't that dude.
• 17:19
  No, I'm confusing him with someone else then.
• 17:21
  Because he did car commercials.
• 17:22
  The guy from Pirates of the Caribbean did car commercials.
• 17:24
  Hold on.
• 17:25
  Lemme see if I can find it.
• 17:26
  You're gonna make me look it up.
• 17:27
  Oh my God, I see him.
• 17:29
  He's in a tuxedo though.
• 17:30
  He's not eating an apple.
• 17:31
  What is his name?
• 17:32
  It's, isn't it Jonathan Price?
• 17:34
  That is the guy from Pirates of the Caribbean.
• 17:36
  But that's not the guy I am thinking of.
• 17:37
  That's not the guy I'm thinking of.
• 17:39
  I said, so maybe I'm thinking of a different commercial of the same time.
• 17:44
  This isn't the guy.
• 17:45
  Yes, Jonathan Price did car commercials for infinity.
• 17:48
  Boom.
• 17:49
  Then I'm thinking of something else.
• 17:50
  Then see my memory is still good.
• 17:54
  All right, so talking about cars from our youths, one of the cars that went
• 17:59
  up on the wall as an affordable supercar was the NSX by today's standards.
• 18:04
  You look at an original NSX 19 90 91, you're like, man, it looks like
• 18:09
  it should transform into an autobot.
• 18:11
  Just be fighting the decepticon or something like it is a little stodgy.
• 18:14
  Obviously they refined it as they went on.
• 18:16
  I was never a fan of the one with those frog eyed headlights.
• 18:19
  The little bubbles.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:21
  I didn't light didn't like those at all.
• 18:22
  But Tanya found this interesting article about how Honda has decided that they're
• 18:27
  going to start making parts for the NSXs, and I was like, there's a market for that.
• 18:32
  Really.
• 18:33
  Well see.
• 18:33
  This isn't a new concept though.
• 18:35
  Oh no, not at all.
• 18:36
  On a previous.
• 18:38
  Drive through.
• 18:39
  Mercedes was doing the same thing for some of their old pieces of junk.
• 18:43
  Three years to design a knob.
• 18:44
  That's for like a cigarette lighter, right?
• 18:47
  Knobs designed by knobs, but that's not the only manufacturer
• 18:51
  turning up the way back machine.
• 18:52
  Is it Tanya?
• 18:53
  No.
• 18:53
  'cause Toyota is doing the same thing for the AE 86.
• 18:56
  Apparently you can get new heads and new motors.
• 18:59
  Nice.
• 18:59
  You're telling me you can buy a brand new 2026, we'll call
• 19:03
  it four a GE Twin cam initial D goes to 11,000 RPM kind of thing.
• 19:08
  Apparently slightly upgraded.
• 19:10
  So like they have made them better so they're not pulled out of the 1980s vault
• 19:15
  or anything like that, but they bolt in.
• 19:17
  The cool part about these motors, I have come to understand that the
• 19:21
  original four a GE was basically a duplicate of a cos word like race motor.
• 19:26
  That's why they were so durable and so strong and made so much power and they
• 19:29
  could rev to like literally 11,000 RPM.
• 19:32
  So with all that engineering in it, that's like one of the most sought after normally
• 19:37
  aspirated motors, like of all time.
• 19:38
  So that's really cool to see this come back.
• 19:41
  Now the question is, how much is it gonna cost to buy a motor from Toyota?
• 19:45
  Probably cheaper than a coyote.
• 19:47
  Probably cheaper than that.
• 19:48
  Integra R, there you go.
• 19:50
  Would you rather spend $200,000 on a Integra R or
• 19:54
  probably $50,000 on this motor?
• 19:56
  The question becomes how much does the 80 86.
• 19:59
  Cost without a motor in it, because getting those cars was already
• 20:03
  difficult 20 years ago when they were half as old as they are now.
• 20:07
  You're importing them from Japan.
• 20:09
  You buy the motor and then you put it in a new GR 86.
• 20:13
  Okay, here you go.
• 20:14
  So on bat.
• 20:15
  You can get 1986 Toyota Corolla.
• 20:18
  GTS Liftback five speed.
• 20:20
  So that's not the full out ano one I guess.
• 20:22
  I don't know which one that would be, but $19,000, that's not horrendous.
• 20:27
  And a two JZ, GTE powered 86 SR five Sport Liftback, five speed track car ano
• 20:35
  basically sold recently for 22 or 21.
• 20:38
  That's a good deal.
• 20:39
  That's a good deal.
• 20:40
  Two Jay-Z in that.
• 20:41
  That's a rocket ship.
• 20:43
  It's a race car.
• 20:44
  It's gutted, caged, everything.
• 20:46
  I would run that.
• 20:47
  That's awesome.
• 20:48
  Spoken by someone who has two gutted cage race cars in his driveway right now.
• 20:53
  Hopefully three at some point in my life, but we'll get there.
• 20:56
  Switching gears from that.
• 20:57
  Somebody had a note here that said, in reference to the whole
• 21:01
  Infinity thing, Jaguar was another brand we hadn't seen in a while.
• 21:05
  And obviously there's been some change of ownership and all sorts
• 21:08
  of stuff going on over Jaguar now.
• 21:10
  It's funny, Jaguar came up in a conversation recently with Tanya as
• 21:13
  we were doing some car exploration, and there's some really good
• 21:17
  deals out there on Jags, depending on what you're looking for.
• 21:20
  Forgot about this.
• 21:21
  Did you guys see this most recent one that they literally unveiled
• 21:25
  at Monterey Car Week this year, and this is why nobody thinks of Jaguar.
• 21:30
  It looks like a crown.
• 21:31
  It looks fake.
• 21:32
  Yes, it looks like something out of Batman.
• 21:35
  The Animated series, cartoon Show.
• 21:36
  Again from the nineties.
• 21:38
  I was gonna say Dick Tracy, but it's too modern to be like a dick Tracy.
• 21:41
  But it's that cartoonish level of design.
• 21:44
  Nothing about this says Jaguar to me.
• 21:47
  No, I don't.
• 21:47
  This doesn't say anything.
• 21:49
  It's like a child did this.
• 21:52
  Actually, I don't.
• 21:53
  I, I am.
• 21:53
  The more I'm looking at it, I kind of like it.
• 21:55
  Don't say that kinda like it.
• 21:56
  I don't like that.
• 21:57
  It's gonna be $130,000.
• 21:59
  That's cheap compared to a nine 11.
• 22:01
  You gotta compare it to nine 11 now it's cheap.
• 22:02
  It's cheap.
• 22:03
  Compared to an Integra, a hundred percent.
• 22:05
  People already don't like the Jaguar Land Rover rebrand thing that's been
• 22:09
  going on, and the logo people are like, just put it back the way it was.
• 22:13
  Why did we get rid of the leaping Jaguar?
• 22:15
  You know?
• 22:16
  And all the stuff that goes with and the legacy that goes with it.
• 22:18
  They kind of checked it all at the door.
• 22:19
  The car is just awful.
• 22:21
  I'm like, I'm sorry.
• 22:22
  I think there's some other brands that have lost their way, but these
• 22:25
  guys don't even know where to start.
• 22:26
  Just go back into your catalog of cars.
• 22:29
  Would you prefer an auto manufacturer to think out of the box and take a swing?
• 22:34
  Granted it's a swing and a miss, or would you prefer an auto manufacturer
• 22:38
  to keep going back to the same Dried up?
• 22:41
  Well, of badge engineering and bringing back the Camaro, bringing back the
• 22:47
  Dart, bringing back the Challenger, the charger, the Hornet, all these old names.
• 22:52
  Slapping them on pieces of shit.
• 22:55
  I see where you're going with that.
• 22:56
  Bangled era.
• 22:57
  BMWs, ugh, they swung, they missed kind of That's another car.
• 23:02
  You don't see them anywhere?
• 23:03
  No, no.
• 23:04
  Never see 'em.
• 23:04
  I never see, they don't even make good track cars.
• 23:06
  People don't want 'em for that either.
• 23:07
  You know?
• 23:07
  I see more E 30 nines.
• 23:10
  Yeah, and more E 30 sixes and like that era than I do.
• 23:13
  Bangal era.
• 23:14
  Jag has this.
• 23:15
  Opportunity to go back into a very rich catalog of retro
• 23:22
  redesigns if they want to.
• 23:23
  'cause they've never really done it right?
• 23:25
  'cause if you think about it, there's been companies like we saw what was the
• 23:28
  Eagle that redid the E type JAG 20 years ago on top gear and stuff like that.
• 23:33
  And then you had Jags that run all the guys that were trying
• 23:36
  to make their X jss reliable.
• 23:38
  And then there's some other really nice jags that came out during, you know,
• 23:43
  the not so great periods of Jaguar, you know, the tail end before Ford
• 23:46
  bought em and all that kinda stuff.
• 23:48
  That's what they're trying to do with this.
• 23:49
  They're creating that long bonnet thing, but it looks nothing like an XJS.
• 23:53
  Just bring back that design.
• 23:54
  Modernize it, add the safety and put a reliable engine in it.
• 23:57
  That's all people really want.
• 23:58
  Those are things that make it not a jag.
• 24:02
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 24:03
  So instead we come up with this cartoon monstrosity.
• 24:06
  To me, I, I would prefer that companies did do a halo car every now and again
• 24:11
  and do an homage to their past so that people can identify through the
• 24:16
  generations, like, eh, man, I know what it means to be a Jag owner.
• 24:20
  Like, I really like that XJS, or, I really like that E type,
• 24:23
  or I really want that MK one 20.
• 24:25
  You know, that they remade for a couple years or whatever it is.
• 24:28
  And I think they could go back and re stylize some of those old
• 24:32
  cars because some of those were as aerodynamic back then as they are today.
• 24:37
  The link I just sent you, this is what you want.
• 24:39
  Oh Lord have mercy.
• 24:40
  Yeah.
• 24:40
  And then, and what happened is people would go into the dealership just
• 24:43
  to look at and be near those cars.
• 24:46
  And they would walk out with something else that they could afford.
• 24:49
  Did you see this jacket that she sent?
• 24:50
  Brad?
• 24:51
  This, I would drive this posting this in the show notes.
• 24:53
  I, I saw it.
• 24:54
  This is hot.
• 24:55
  Didn't Jeremy Clarkson drive something like that?
• 24:58
  Jeremy's had his butt in so many cars.
• 25:00
  Who knows?
• 25:01
  This is hot.
• 25:02
  Like you wanna be a Batman villain?
• 25:04
  This is the car right here.
• 25:06
  This is awesome.
• 25:08
  Painted it purple.
• 25:09
  That's what the Joker ride.
• 25:10
  And to me the last great Jaguar was the XJ two 20.
• 25:13
  Going back to our childhood.
• 25:15
  No, no, no, no.
• 25:16
  I think the F type is a great Jag.
• 25:17
  It's not a real Jag though.
• 25:19
  That's one of these later Jags.
• 25:20
  Okay, then like the XJR, the supercharged Ford V eight.
• 25:24
  Ah.
• 25:25
  But see, Ford had its hands in that, was it a great car?
• 25:28
  No, it was trash.
• 25:29
  The XJ two 20 was the last great Jag.
• 25:32
  Like everything about that was Jag.
• 25:34
  But the whole controversy around that car is, it was a complete disappointment.
• 25:38
  Like they could never prove that it would go two 20.
• 25:41
  First of all, have you ever seen anybody do a test of that car where they actually
• 25:44
  hit two 20 and that was the whole point.
• 25:46
  I dunno, how fast did that transit van go on top gear that they put the body.
• 25:50
  Weren't they racing a diesel jag?
• 25:52
  They did do that too.
• 25:53
  Yeah.
• 25:54
  Yeah.
• 25:54
  So anyway, Jaguar's, another one of those brands like Infiniti, where
• 25:57
  it's like if, if they're not doing their marketing right, they're
• 26:00
  not gonna get anybody's attention.
• 26:01
  And when you're looking dollar for dollar to Tanya's point $130,000, there's a
• 26:05
  lot of car you can buy for 130 grand.
• 26:07
  It's not gonna be that cartoon thing we saw at Car Week just off the cuff
• 26:11
  thinking of a brand that nobody that we haven't seen in a really long
• 26:14
  time, whatever happened to day, woo.
• 26:18
  Oh my god.
• 26:18
  What was that sound done?
• 26:24
  Dew.
• 26:25
  Suzuki.
• 26:25
  Isuzu.
• 26:26
  You know the thing that killed me about Dew is that their emblem was the
• 26:29
  seashell thing, and I always thought about the three seashells demolition.
• 26:34
  Man.
• 26:37
  He doesn't know how to use the seashells.
• 26:39
  The date was a piece of shit too.
• 26:40
  Anyway, but Tanya, you might have something for Brad to bring him
• 26:44
  back to our high school days.
• 26:45
  Another car that can make a comeback.
• 26:47
  Lord have mercy apparently.
• 26:50
  Electric Dodge Neon.
• 26:56
  I will say I like those wheels.
• 26:59
  You know, chat.
• 27:00
  GPT is amazing.
• 27:02
  It literally says that somebody designed this with chat, GPT.
• 27:09
  There is something timeless about the original neon.
• 27:12
  It is one of those shapes that, okay, you could claim that it's
• 27:15
  dated, especially from the backside.
• 27:17
  But if, to your point, Brad, if you go back to the well and you
• 27:20
  clean up some of those designs, you could reintroduce 'em today.
• 27:23
  You need to shut up.
• 27:25
  You just sit.
• 27:26
  The Dodge Neon is a timeless design.
• 27:30
  We're not talking about a work of art here.
• 27:32
  It's a goddamn, it's an acno Dodge from the nineties.
• 27:36
  Timeless.
• 27:37
  It's timeless 'cause it's a four-door sedan and that's it.
• 27:41
  There's nothing special about that car.
• 27:44
  Hi Neon.
• 27:45
  It is a Dacia Sandero.
• 27:47
  Oh man.
• 27:47
  There's another brand.
• 27:48
  No neons then The timeless Neon.
• 27:51
  But to, to the point of the article, an electric neon makes sense.
• 27:54
  I mean, neon in the name, I mean it, it just makes sense.
• 27:57
  Sure.
• 27:57
  Well, it's like the Beatle coming back as electric, which hopefully
• 28:00
  that happens, but it probably never will because Volkswagen can't see
• 28:04
  past it in their own schnitzel.
• 28:05
  Speaking of nineties cars and classic timeless designs and car
• 28:10
  manufacturers, we don't see anymore.
• 28:12
  The Saturn.
• 28:13
  Oh no, that's like cursing in church.
• 28:17
  So Saturn, if you look it up, it's like how do we take a vox
• 28:21
  hall and a opal bastardize them and then say, you know what?
• 28:25
  We can make it worse.
• 28:26
  We'll call it Saturn.
• 28:27
  That's what those cards are.
• 28:29
  And then there's that guy down the roads, got like nine of 'em so bad.
• 28:32
  They had those body panels that you could like kick and throw
• 28:35
  things at and Oh, that's right.
• 28:37
  That was part of their team.
• 28:37
  Right?
• 28:37
  They the cyber trucks before the cyber trucks were cyber trucks.
• 28:40
  Yeah, they were made of Tupperwares.
• 28:42
  It's like ridiculous.
• 28:44
  The body cladding, they go.
• 28:46
  When you open the door.
• 28:48
  Oh man.
• 28:48
  So, oh good.
• 28:49
  That that bring, that brings up a really good point.
• 28:51
  'cause doesn't the Tesla fart when you open the, when you
• 28:54
  ask it to open its butt hole.
• 28:55
  Yeah.
• 28:55
  Yeah.
• 28:56
  It's pretty.
• 28:56
  Baby Elon is like a closet.
• 28:58
  Saturn fan wouldn't surprise me.
• 29:01
  He's a closet something.
• 29:02
  We won't go there.
• 29:03
  As we wrap up this showcase we've been talking about where did the cars
• 29:07
  from our childhood go, you know, when we started driving the cars that we
• 29:10
  lusted after the things that we wanted.
• 29:12
  And you know, I mentioned Monterey Car Week because that also
• 29:15
  transpired during our month off.
• 29:17
  So there's been a lot of coverage and a lot of things.
• 29:19
  And so I got a newsletter from the Porsche Club and as I scrolled through
• 29:25
  it, I had to reread it like 10 times because I'm like, you guys actually
• 29:29
  posted what I'm about to read to you in public to tens of thousands of people.
• 29:34
  And I'm like, this is the problem.
• 29:36
  Partially with what you're talking about, Brad, what you're describing,
• 29:39
  and I'm just gonna read this to you 'cause I, I just don't know how to react
• 29:42
  to it and I want your guys' feedback.
• 29:43
  So here goes quote.
• 29:44
  Monterey Car Week continues to evolve.
• 29:47
  The one thing that Car Week 2025 proved beyond a shadow of a doubt is that
• 29:52
  millennials and Gen Zers love cars.
• 29:55
  And while big money might be heavily concentrated in the hands
• 29:59
  of relatively few of them, those that have it are willing to spend
• 30:03
  it on more than just avocado toast.
• 30:05
  End quote.
• 30:06
  That was in their newsletter.
• 30:08
  And I said, okay, boomer.
• 30:10
  So we're already being snubbed by the collector market because it's all the
• 30:15
  older guys, our parents' generation and our grandparents if they're still with us.
• 30:19
  And I'm like, you put that in your newsletter.
• 30:21
  You didn't think I was gonna read that?
• 30:23
  You don't think I'm in that demographic?
• 30:24
  What, what?
• 30:25
  Seriously?
• 30:26
  I I I'm gonna get off my soapbox.
• 30:28
  Go ahead.
• 30:28
  You do get down on some avocado toast though.
• 30:31
  I mean it's good for you.
• 30:31
  Good avocado toast, man.
• 30:33
  With a fried egg on.
• 30:34
  It got good protein and stuff.
• 30:35
  A little bit of oil and salt and pepper.
• 30:37
  This is unreal.
• 30:38
  I think boomer's gonna boomer that.
• 30:40
  Make it right.
• 30:41
  Yeah.
• 30:41
  Mean I know it doesn't make it right, but it, there's nothing we can do about it.
• 30:44
  We just gotta wait for 'em all to die.
• 30:46
  Then we can inherit all the cool cars we don't want.
• 30:49
  We just need to out weight them.
• 30:51
  Then we'll start our own boomer like car collection.
• 30:55
  Before we get off this topic, I was gonna bring up a question
• 30:57
  or pose a question to the panel.
• 30:59
  Hmm.
• 31:00
  Thinking about what we just talked about, you know, looking 30 years into the future
• 31:04
  from now, so 2055, what cars on the road today do you see surviving 25 years and
• 31:12
  what cars are you expecting not to see?
• 31:15
  And we have the same conversation about them 25 in 30 years.
• 31:18
  First on the list, like cockroaches that will survive nuclear winter.
• 31:22
  The Altima?
• 31:23
  Yeah, well the Altima 2025 Altima still going strong followed by any Na Miata.
• 31:30
  Those will still be running around 50 years from now.
• 31:33
  And then I think outside of that cars that you know, my kids might be lusting after,
• 31:38
  is gonna be Mazda threes Hyundai Veloster.
• 31:43
  Jeep Wranglers, like all the same stuff.
• 31:45
  We lusted after hot hatches, SUVs and CUVs.
• 31:48
  'cause there's a ton of those on the road.
• 31:49
  And because they were affordable.
• 31:51
  Exactly.
• 31:52
  There you go.
• 31:52
  They weren't seen as unobtainium.
• 31:53
  But before we completely close out this showcase, Brad, we gotta do a little
• 31:57
  dashboard confessional, because you did just recently acquire one of your
• 32:02
  high school sweethearts, didn't you?
• 32:03
  Yeah.
• 32:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:04
  Mm-hmm.
• 32:05
  This would be my, let's see, one.
• 32:07
  Gotta keep your pants on if you gotta count that high.
• 32:09
  This will be my fifth VW GTI.
• 32:11
  Yeah.
• 32:11
  One of 'em wasn't a GTI, but yeah.
• 32:13
  No, my sixth, my my fifth mark.
• 32:15
  Four.
• 32:15
  Can you tell the audience a little bit about the new acquisition?
• 32:18
  Right now it is dead on the mountain.
• 32:23
  It's covered in dirt and moss and mold and crap.
• 32:28
  But pop the hood.
• 32:30
  Hood we will overnight parts from Japan.
• 32:32
  It's a 2000 GTI 180.
• 32:35
  What color is it?
• 32:36
  It is dirt orange?
• 32:38
  No, it's, it's called Tropic orange, I think, but we're more affectionately
• 32:42
  calling it pumpkin spiced latte.
• 32:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:45
  You're PSL because it was purchased in the fall and, and it's only
• 32:49
  around for a limited time.
• 32:52
  I like, that's really good.
• 32:54
  But you know, this is gonna be a first.
• 32:56
  We've done tons of Mark IVs over the years and we have a lot of experience with
• 32:59
  those cars, but they started out running, this one ran parts, but we have never,
• 33:06
  ever resurrected a car from the mountain.
• 33:09
  I don't know if we know what we're getting ourselves into.
• 33:11
  Well, who wants to resurrect a Taurus or a Mercury Sable?
• 33:15
  I nowhere.
• 33:16
  There's a neon too, Tanya, to your point, I actually was looking at that car.
• 33:20
  Every time I go up to the mountain I'm like, you know, I could do this.
• 33:23
  I could do this car.
• 33:24
  But then I remember it's a neon.
• 33:26
  It's a neon with a Mitsubishi 16 valve, though.
• 33:28
  It's the good neon.
• 33:29
  But I could drive that timeless design in that timeless brown color.
• 33:35
  Brown.
• 33:35
  Yeah.
• 33:36
  Another timeless design that's better than a neon is Mark four Volkswagen.
• 33:40
  You know, that's the last golf.
• 33:42
  That still looks like a golf to me.
• 33:44
  They, they look like little bulldogs.
• 33:47
  Yeah, they do.
• 33:47
  They do look, especially when you fix 'em up.
• 33:49
  They're pretty aggressive.
• 33:50
  So I'm looking forward to turning wrenches with you and working on this project.
• 33:53
  I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
• 33:54
  But I also feel like Gene Wilder and Young Frankenstein and we're, when we
• 33:58
  do get it running alive, it's a lie.
• 34:03
  It's a alive,
• 34:06
  it's gonna be a process.
• 34:08
  Yeah, for sure.
• 34:09
  At least it's not going to the track.
• 34:10
  Well, you never know.
• 34:11
  We gotta shake it down.
• 34:12
  Right?
• 34:12
  It's not going to be built like a track car.
• 34:15
  Yes.
• 34:15
  I'll put it it that way.
• 34:16
  It's, that's, I, I took Eddie too far.
• 34:18
  Pumpkin spice is gonna be something nice.
• 34:21
  It's gonna be a good blend.
• 34:23
  Just a kid.
• 34:24
  That'll be a nice little spicy blend.
• 34:27
  Does it come with that cardboard sleeve just so you don't burn yourself?
• 34:30
  Yeah, it should.
• 34:30
  It should.
• 34:31
  Alright.
• 34:31
  Well we're gonna move on to our regularly scheduled ranting and raving.
• 34:35
  Continuing with Volkswagen and Audi News.
• 34:39
  All right.
• 34:39
  I feel like this next article from Haggerty Signals the
• 34:43
  swan song for the golf R.
• 34:46
  Okay.
• 34:46
  When they do something like this, Volkswagen is notorious for doing
• 34:49
  weird stuff like putting, oh, I don't know, the RS three five cylinder
• 34:53
  turbo in the next golf R before they discontinue it all together.
• 34:57
  That's the dot, dot dot.
• 34:59
  That's missing from this article, and that's where I'm reading between the
• 35:02
  lines, because if you build a golf R with that motor making 450 horsepower like
• 35:08
  the TTRS did, and all the other cars that came with that power plant and all wheel
• 35:11
  drive and the flappy paddles and all the wonderful things that accompanied that
• 35:16
  engine and drive, train configuration.
• 35:18
  How do you top that?
• 35:19
  You can't, again, to me signals, that's the end of the golf R. All I am
• 35:24
  thinking about right now is in a couple years, my boys will be out of daycare.
• 35:29
  I'll no longer be paying for daycare and I will be picking up eight Rs,
• 35:32
  three powered golf R, or I'll just pick up an RS three 'cause the motor's
• 35:37
  already in it and they'll be cheaper.
• 35:38
  I just want the motor.
• 35:40
  I don't care about the rest of it.
• 35:41
  You know?
• 35:41
  Let me put that in something else and let's go from there.
• 35:44
  Put that in a neon.
• 35:45
  The timeless design.
• 35:47
  Shut up
• 35:55
  that five cylinder sound though.
• 35:57
  That's what sells it, right?
• 35:59
  It's, I mean, 'cause you can make 400 horsepower out of something else.
• 36:02
  You can make 400 horsepower to one eight Turbo.
• 36:04
  I know for a fact, but it doesn't sound the same.
• 36:06
  Right.
• 36:06
  It's gonna sound more like a rally card.
• 36:08
  The five cylinders just got, oh, it's got that snarl to it.
• 36:11
  You know what I mean?
• 36:11
  Yep.
• 36:27
  Speaking of five cylinder sounds.
• 36:29
  Remember a couple drive-throughs back.
• 36:31
  Audi had made an announcement that they were changing their design language for
• 36:36
  the next generation Audis, starting with whatever chassis number they're on now.
• 36:39
  And so the Audi Club of America put out the pictures of what the concept car
• 36:44
  looks like for this new design language.
• 36:46
  But what I thought was hilarious was, and quote comes with virtual gearbox
• 36:50
  and synthetic five cylinder sounds.
• 36:53
  This was designed by the same person that designed the Jaguar.
• 36:56
  I was just about to say, they partnered, they must have partnered together.
• 36:59
  I love how they call this the vision for the future.
• 37:01
  You know, a new era of clarity was Ronnie Millsap behind this 'cause that
• 37:05
  guy can't see, you know what I'm saying?
• 37:08
  Penn and Farina was busy, so they got SpongeBob.
• 37:10
  No, Penn and Farina ISS not busy.
• 37:12
  'cause Ferrari put them on the curb.
• 37:15
  Why don't they go pick up those guys?
• 37:16
  No.
• 37:16
  What they did is they got rid of Juro and now we've got this.
• 37:20
  What is this?
• 37:21
  What is this?
• 37:22
  Is this the Rose Meyer from the early two thousands?
• 37:25
  Like what is this?
• 37:25
  It went from Jaro to Dijo.
• 37:34
  That's good.
• 37:34
  That's really good.
• 37:36
  Well, if that wasn't enough, this next one is what signals my final
• 37:41
  nail in the Volkswagen coffin.
• 37:43
  Like I've been exiting this stage for a while and it's been a very,
• 37:47
  very tough journey because we have had Volkswagens in the family nonstop
• 37:52
  since the 1950s and it's very hard to like break the brand loyalty.
• 37:56
  Right?
• 37:57
  But I'll just read this to you, even Volkswagen.
• 38:00
  Is doing horsepower subscriptions.
• 38:03
  Now for an extra $22 a month, you can get 27 more horsepower in an electric car.
• 38:09
  This just makes people never want to buy an electric car.
• 38:12
  This makes people never want to buy Volkswagens.
• 38:14
  Why would you do stupid stuff like that?
• 38:16
  Well, BMW did this before, not with a horsepower.
• 38:19
  And doesn't Tesla do this with their horsepower too?
• 38:21
  At some point?
• 38:22
  It's an electric car thing.
• 38:23
  I think it is not a good thing though.
• 38:25
  Oh, no, it's not a good thing.
• 38:27
  Just like everybody that's canceling their Disney and Hulu subscriptions
• 38:30
  right now, what happens when the AI chatbot that you cancel your horsepower
• 38:34
  subscription to goes, thank you.
• 38:35
  Your membership has been canceled.
• 38:37
  Now your car doesn't start.
• 38:38
  I'm sorry, I'm done.
• 38:40
  There is no infinite wisdom here.
• 38:42
  There's no foresight and there's also rumors.
• 38:44
  You hear all sorts of stuff about Porsches walking back, the electric cayenne or
• 38:48
  whatever it's called, and they're gonna go back to gas and all this and you
• 38:52
  know, it's all this hokey pokey stuff.
• 38:53
  And then we're getting the five cylinder turbo in the golf RO.
• 38:56
  Okay, whatever Volkswagen, they've just lost their way.
• 38:59
  I'm sorry, I've said it before.
• 39:00
  I'll say it again.
• 39:02
  So Brad.
• 39:03
  In the showcase, we talked about reaching back into the coffers and
• 39:06
  kind of pulling out old designs and bringing them back to life with a
• 39:10
  little bit of STIs persuasion here.
• 39:13
  Ferrari reveals the first new tester since the 1990s.
• 39:18
  Badge engineering just like everybody else.
• 39:21
  Yeah.
• 39:21
  This thing's ugly.
• 39:22
  I don't see it.
• 39:24
  There are certain Ferraris that are just timeless.
• 39:27
  Is that the word?
• 39:29
  This episode is timeless.
• 39:31
  This episode is, this episode is powered by or sponsored by Timex.
• 39:35
  They're iconic.
• 39:36
  There you go.
• 39:37
  That's, yes.
• 39:37
  Iconic.
• 39:38
  Like the tester.
• 39:39
  There's nothing else that looks like.
• 39:42
  It's like an F 40.
• 39:43
  There's nothing else that looks like it.
• 39:45
  It was the same with the original Kosh and then they redesigned that.
• 39:48
  Yeah, there's nothing else that looked like those.
• 39:50
  And it's like this doesn't even, I don't know.
• 39:52
  This doesn't even whisper tester.
• 39:54
  No.
• 39:55
  It whispers more SF 90.
• 39:57
  Yes, because it's gonna replace the SF 90.
• 39:59
  Where are the gills on the side?
• 40:01
  The strikes as they like to call 'em?
• 40:02
  Yeah, whatever they were called.
• 40:03
  Yeah.
• 40:04
  It looks more like what was the predecessor to the F 40?
• 40:08
  No, I think it looks like the 365 Daytona in the front.
• 40:12
  It looks like the picture of the red front Honda could have made
• 40:15
  this and called it another NSX.
• 40:17
  That's true too.
• 40:18
  From the back, it looks like every other new Ferrari, the SP two and all those
• 40:22
  prototype E LA Ferrari things, the front because of that black stripe and those
• 40:26
  little orange things that come down.
• 40:28
  That reminds me of the Daytona.
• 40:29
  But it doesn't scream Testa at all.
• 40:32
  No.
• 40:32
  So the real question is, which they don't show us a picture of the motor.
• 40:36
  Does it have red heads?
• 40:37
  'cause if it doesn't have red heads then it's stupid, but it's got blue seats.
• 40:41
  Well, it's got red head covers, uh, whatever.
• 40:45
  Yeah, it's got red heads.
• 40:46
  I found some other pictures when I saw the first pictures of this.
• 40:49
  'cause obviously I talked to William from the Ferrari marketplace all the time and
• 40:52
  he's in the know on this kind of stuff.
• 40:54
  I immediately asked him when I saw the pictures, like,
• 40:56
  would Don Johnson drive this?
• 40:58
  And he's like, hell no.
• 41:03
  So to me that's sort of the litmus test.
• 41:05
  Like if Don Johnson, Miami Vice, they had a tester, if he
• 41:09
  wouldn't drive this, it'll sell.
• 41:10
  But it's gonna sell to a totally different demographic of
• 41:13
  people that know what it means.
• 41:15
  But regardless, I, I think it's stupid.
• 41:18
  No, no, no.
• 41:18
  This might also be the same reaction that people that were alive to see, the 1957
• 41:26
  original tester, Rosas, you know, with the pontoon fenders and all that, when
• 41:30
  the one in the eighties came out, they go, this looks nothing like the tester
• 41:34
  DA, because it was a complete step away.
• 41:37
  Right?
• 41:37
  The design language was all wedge and then the classic straights
• 41:40
  that we know and all that kind.
• 41:42
  So we're seeing that again, and maybe, and this is what I'm
• 41:45
  saying, just a word of caution.
• 41:46
  We have to be a little bit more open-minded about the design, but as a
• 41:49
  purist, it doesn't do anything for me.
• 41:52
  I think it's old man yells at cloud.
• 41:55
  You know, to your point, we had the same argument when the Kunta
• 41:58
  came out, the new Kosh, the general consensus was, at least in my view,
• 42:03
  I thought it was a great looking car.
• 42:05
  I, I loved it, but it shouldn't be called Kunta.
• 42:07
  Yes.
• 42:08
  But at least when you looked at it, you could see Kunta, DNA.
• 42:12
  In it, even though you knew it was a Mercy Lago or whatever it was
• 42:16
  underneath a Ventor or whatever, underneath whatever, right?
• 42:18
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:19
  But this, yeah.
• 42:19
  You don't see nineties Testa Rosa at all?
• 42:22
  No.
• 42:23
  And you don't see fifties?
• 42:24
  No.
• 42:24
  No, definitely not.
• 42:26
  Other than the actual heads being red, you don't see anything.
• 42:29
  I mean, if you put a McLaren badge on it, I wouldn't know the difference, maybe.
• 42:33
  But any rate, Brad, guess what?
• 42:35
  We thought we could get away with it.
• 42:36
  We got some Mercedes news thanks to Tanya.
• 42:39
  Why are we wasting our time with this Once a year.
• 42:41
  We do this once a year, so, okay, so here's the punchline.
• 42:44
  Is a Benz still a Benz?
• 42:46
  If it's powered by A BMW?
• 42:48
  The zebra is powered by A BMW.
• 42:51
  One of the greatest cars ever made in the history of cars.
• 42:54
  The McLaren F1 is powered by A BMW.
• 42:58
  Yeah, I get that.
• 42:59
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:59
  Those are also bespoke supercar or whatever.
• 43:02
  Well, the Zora's, not Toyota claims, BMW provides them with the blocks
• 43:06
  and then they do all this other stuff to make it a Toyota engine.
• 43:09
  And it's not a BMW motor.
• 43:10
  I mean, I got into argument with people about that.
• 43:12
  You, you mean they take out all the cheap German stuff, accounting, engineering,
• 43:16
  crap, and put in like actual good stuff.
• 43:18
  So it lasts longer.
• 43:19
  But this is Mercedes powered by BMW Turbocharge, two liter, four cylinder.
• 43:25
  I mean, with the globalization of everything in the global economy and
• 43:29
  every, everybody's sharing parts.
• 43:31
  This is something that it's just gonna be happening in our lives
• 43:35
  and they're all gonna share.
• 43:36
  'cause it's, it's more cost effective.
• 43:38
  Yeah, but here's the thing though, if Mercedes.
• 43:40
  The people that invented the car, again, you want to tell me like
• 43:44
  we argue about Formula One, that they don't know how to build a car.
• 43:48
  They don't know how to build a four cylinder of their own
• 43:50
  that they can make reliable.
• 43:51
  So here's the deal.
• 43:52
  You put a BMW power plant in your Mercedes, and that's the
• 43:55
  Achilles heel of those Mercedes.
• 43:57
  And everybody, the public goes ah, and they get out their pitchforks and their
• 44:01
  torches and the cars are unreliable.
• 44:03
  Let's just say it could happen.
• 44:04
  Weirder things have happened.
• 44:06
  And now the reputation of Mercedes is besmirched by the fact that they
• 44:10
  sublet out the motors for these cars rather than building it themselves.
• 44:14
  To me it's a stupid strategy.
• 44:16
  It doesn't make sense to me.
• 44:17
  It's a cost saving strategy.
• 44:18
  Exactly.
• 44:19
  'cause they're putting all their eggs in the EV basket, so they don't wanna put
• 44:22
  r and D into ice and so it's cheaper for them to just go partner and buy a motor.
• 44:28
  Yeah.
• 44:28
  And it's going in their cheaper cars.
• 44:31
  Not saying it's right, but it's going in the cars that the A class, the
• 44:35
  Mercedes purists aren't gonna buy anyway.
• 44:38
  Why not just buy A BMW powered by A BMW four cylinder then?
• 44:41
  No, because what?
• 44:42
  BM BMW has a four cylinder So you mean go buy a mini?
• 44:45
  No, the little three series, 3, 4, 3 series comes with, you can
• 44:47
  get with a four cylinder turbo, you can get with the same motor.
• 44:50
  Wow.
• 44:50
  So to Eric's point, yeah.
• 44:51
  Why not just go to buy the BM bmw?
• 44:53
  Just buy BMW.
• 44:54
  To me that's silly.
• 44:55
  So Eric.
• 44:56
  We, this panel are car enthusiasts.
• 44:59
  Yes.
• 45:00
  We eat sleep and breathe car knowledge and stuff.
• 45:04
  We are a very, very, very, very, very small minority percentage
• 45:09
  of people that buy cars.
• 45:11
  When was the last time you bought a new car?
• 45:12
  The people that would, the people that would go to the Mercedes dealer.
• 45:16
  They don't care.
• 45:18
  Yeah, they wouldn't know BMW motors in it.
• 45:19
  It's gonna have a Mercedes badge on it.
• 45:21
  It's gonna have Mercedes plastic on top.
• 45:23
  It's not gonna say BMW anywhere unless you start taking parts off of it.
• 45:26
  Nobody's gonna care.
• 45:27
  90% of the people.
• 45:29
  Aren't gonna care.
• 45:30
  That's like the Porsche.
• 45:31
  People with their V eights that don't know that they're Audi V eights or
• 45:34
  the V sixes, were Volkswagen engines here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 45:37
  I get it.
• 45:37
  Right?
• 45:38
  So it's the same thing, but that's at least within the family.
• 45:41
  So it makes sense that Audi will build the V eights for Porsche and Porsche's
• 45:45
  designing something else for somebody else, and they just swap it around.
• 45:48
  But BMW and Mercedes are competitors.
• 45:50
  That's sort of what I was getting at.
• 45:51
  This at least makes more sense than BMW giving motors to Toyota.
• 45:54
  Yeah.
• 45:55
  That, that, you know, how about Toyota in, in Subaru selling basically the exact same
• 46:00
  car makes and competing with each other.
• 46:02
  Makes sense.
• 46:02
  Makes no sense.
• 46:02
  Sense.
• 46:02
  Or how about even better?
• 46:04
  GM competing with gm with the Pontiac Firebird and the Chevy Camaro, or the
• 46:10
  GMC Sierra and the Chevy Silverado.
• 46:13
  They're the exact same vehicles.
• 46:15
  They are competing with each other.
• 46:17
  It is the stupidest thing in the world, but people don't even realize it.
• 46:20
  My GM C's better than your Chevy.
• 46:22
  Yeah.
• 46:23
  Yeah.
• 46:24
  It's got the same motor in the same chassis and his exact same
• 46:26
  truck with a different badge on the front, but mine's better.
• 46:29
  Mm-hmm.
• 46:30
  And on Tuesday, Jim Bob put the bow tie on the front, and on Thursday he
• 46:33
  put on GMC on the same assembly line.
• 46:36
  Right.
• 46:36
  But to the main point, normal car buyers, especially in this
• 46:41
  market, they're not gonna care.
• 46:42
  They don't care.
• 46:43
  But you know what they are gonna care about?
• 46:44
  Safety recalls.
• 46:46
  Oh, and Brad, this is one of your favorites because we haven't
• 46:49
  had one of these in a while.
• 46:51
  Would you like to inform our audience, our listeners, do people
• 46:56
  get locked in the trunk again?
• 46:57
  No.
• 46:57
  The brakes, I think they fixed those too.
• 46:59
  With the hood coming off, is it made with Home Depot?
• 47:02
  Wasn't that an early recall?
• 47:03
  I think the cars would like brick themselves or something.
• 47:05
  At some point.
• 47:06
  They had a problem.
• 47:06
  The hood wouldn't latch.
• 47:07
  Yes.
• 47:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:09
  They they did have the, yeah.
• 47:10
  Fuel spillage, fire risk.
• 47:13
  Awesome.
• 47:15
  That is awesome.
• 47:17
  It sounds like the drain, like the overfill.
• 47:21
  If you accidentally overfilled and then the little cup area uhhuh of the
• 47:25
  gas cap, well, their cup overfloweth.
• 47:28
  Well, it overfloweth and drain it onto exhausted Very hot earth.
• 47:33
  Yeah.
• 47:33
  Yeah.
• 47:33
  So what we're on about is yet another, I mean, this is for a very small portion of
• 47:38
  the driver enthusiast community as well.
• 47:40
  For all you see eight Corvette owners, there is yet another
• 47:43
  recall on the list for you.
• 47:45
  So there you go.
• 47:46
  I'm sorry.
• 47:46
  It leaks onto the radiator, not the exhaust.
• 47:49
  Well, that's, that's just air to, or that's, that's just a
• 47:53
  water to water inter cooler.
• 47:54
  It's hot though.
• 47:55
  It'll ignite the fumes.
• 47:56
  Boom.
• 47:57
  Done.
• 47:57
  Literally like Zoolander.
• 48:00
  Okay.
• 48:03
  It's like they saw Tesla with all the, like the car fires and
• 48:06
  stuff like Hold, hold my beer.
• 48:08
  This is a rare occurrence in malfunctioning filling station pumps
• 48:12
  appear to be a contributing factor.
• 48:14
  What is malfunctioning on the fuel pump?
• 48:18
  The automatic shutoff.
• 48:19
  I said Zoolander is not automatically shutting off, even though every fuel pump
• 48:23
  I've ever been to has a warning sign that says, do not leave the pump unattended.
• 48:27
  I bet you these idiots are going to Wawa and they're running inside to get their
• 48:30
  burritos while I'm waiting for them to get back in their car so I could fill up.
• 48:35
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 48:36
  But I feel like I've had pumps.
• 48:38
  You put the lock in and then it goes punk and then it releases.
• 48:41
  I feel like I've had pumps where that hasn't released and yet the
• 48:44
  fuel has still stopped flowing.
• 48:46
  I've also had pumps that did not stop flowing.
• 48:49
  Uhhuh.
• 48:49
  That's the malfunctioning one I guess.
• 48:51
  Yeah.
• 48:51
  Yeah, they've happened to me like twice.
• 48:53
  That one speedway in the middle of Illinois in, uh, 26, 27 years of driving.
• 48:58
  That's happened like twice.
• 49:00
  Well, we talked about infinity earlier, so we're gonna switch again
• 49:04
  and talk about JDM and Asian car news a little bit more Nissan here.
• 49:08
  I alluded to earlier, more manual transmission Nissans.
• 49:13
  That's right folks.
• 49:14
  The nimo edition of the 400 Z is gonna be a manual.
• 49:18
  Ooh.
• 49:19
  So this scares me.
• 49:21
  Why?
• 49:21
  Because of the conversation we had earlier about Nissan and their
• 49:25
  troubles and infinity and who buys 'em anymore and everything.
• 49:29
  The one Nissan that I would want to own mm-hmm.
• 49:32
  Scared to buy it because is Nissan even gonna be around Who's gonna
• 49:35
  service it when they collapse?
• 49:37
  You know, that's a very, very valid point.
• 49:39
  And that's what has kept me from going out and getting one as well,
• 49:43
  because I really do like these.
• 49:45
  I mean, I really truly do like these, I've said it before, they check a ton of boxes.
• 49:50
  They're very well appointed.
• 49:52
  They're very well priced.
• 49:53
  Yes.
• 49:53
  It's not as fast as a Supra, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 49:56
  But the point is, for every day this is fantastic and it looks
• 50:00
  fantastic and it goes like stink.
• 50:02
  Your point, what happens in two years if Nissan's not here?
• 50:05
  What happened to all those people with their pontiacs?
• 50:07
  I guess they can go to gm, like all the Pontiac G eights and
• 50:10
  the GTOs and all that stuff.
• 50:12
  Well, they can go to Advanced Auto, so you know, all good.
• 50:14
  Well, true.
• 50:15
  But that's not the only Nissan, right?
• 50:17
  Tanya?
• 50:17
  No, because they're also bringing the 300 ZX inspired heritage edition
• 50:22
  in midnight purple, which I guess was a color that GTR came in.
• 50:26
  The new Nissan Z, you can get it in this fancy purple color.
• 50:31
  One of my favorite three 50 Z colors as well.
• 50:34
  They had like an ultraviolet like this too, and it's gorgeous.
• 50:37
  Really, really awesome color.
• 50:38
  Hmm.
• 50:39
  Very tough.
• 50:40
  It almost looks like the mystic chrome.
• 50:42
  Does it have like a hint of green?
• 50:44
  It does in this photograph, although that could be, could just be lighting.
• 50:47
  That could be AI generated.
• 50:48
  Everything's AI generated these days.
• 50:50
  Yeah, it's hard to tell the, the one on the three 50 Z was just purple.
• 50:54
  Like those just came in that ultraviolet, like the E 36 BMWs did.
• 50:57
  Yeah, but I like this because I've always thought that was a really,
• 51:00
  really good color for these cars.
• 51:02
  They wore it really well, and I like the gold wheels too.
• 51:06
  It'll be really hard to choose between this and a RS three
• 51:10
  powered golf R. No, it wouldn't.
• 51:12
  I'd buy this all day long for the money.
• 51:14
  The golf's gonna be more expensive than the Z. True.
• 51:16
  The golf's gonna be like $75,000.
• 51:18
  We researched this recently.
• 51:19
  The regular front wheel drive, GTI, with the auto bond package is almost $42,000.
• 51:26
  MSRP.
• 51:27
  So what's the new golf R?
• 51:28
  With the RS three motor gonna cost 75 80,000 because that's what
• 51:31
  the RSS three and the TTRS cost.
• 51:34
  So they're not gonna give it away for free.
• 51:36
  If that's true.
• 51:37
  Who is gonna buy a $70,000 Volkswagen?
• 51:40
  The same people that bought Phons, which was nobody at, at that point I
• 51:44
  would just go and get an RS three for cheaper 'cause it's been out longer.
• 51:47
  All right, so moving on with JDM News.
• 51:49
  Tanya, you got some hot to report here?
• 51:52
  What's this thing called?
• 51:53
  The yin yang?
• 51:55
  I can't even say the name.
• 51:59
  The Wang Chung.
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  What is this?
• 52:01
  Hey, now.
• 52:02
  It's my Yang Wang.
• 52:06
  So yes, I would think that's roughly the correct pronunciation.
• 52:10
  So the BDS Yang Wang U nine Extreme and it's an electric car, is now
• 52:17
  the fastest car in the world.
• 52:19
  Recorded at 308 miles per hour.
• 52:22
  I read the, uh, comments on this and people were just blowing it up.
• 52:26
  'cause they're like, well, and then they were like, well, there's land speed cars
• 52:30
  from the 1920s that are faster than this.
• 52:32
  And it's like, okay, apples and chainsaws, folks.
• 52:35
  Like this is stupid.
• 52:36
  It did.
• 52:36
  The speed that it did, it was recorded.
• 52:38
  It was, it was made official.
• 52:39
  Leave it where it is.
• 52:40
  Okay, great.
• 52:41
  So we have an electric card that ran its battery down and
• 52:44
  reached 308 miles an hour.
• 52:45
  I mean, okay, how many times can you do that in a row?
• 52:48
  At least with the Veron, you could refill it and do it again moments later.
• 52:53
  It's an interesting looking McLaren.
• 52:55
  It does look a lot like a McLaren.
• 52:57
  So here's the thing I remember about when the Veron set the production car record.
• 53:03
  The big thing wasn't necessarily the power.
• 53:06
  The, the power plant in the Veron was massive.
• 53:08
  A thousand horsepower quad turbos W 16 and all this crazy
• 53:13
  stuff that they came up with.
• 53:14
  And it was a slippery car, so it cheated the wind and, and
• 53:17
  everything that had going for it.
• 53:19
  But the tire manufacturer was the big deciding factor as to whether
• 53:23
  or not it could reach that speed.
• 53:25
  What didn't impress me was that they made an electric car with enough
• 53:29
  juice and enough motors and enough potency to get to 300 miles an hour
• 53:32
  is who made those low profile tires.
• 53:35
  They could do 300 miles an hour because that's more interesting than the car.
• 53:40
  Does it say who did?
• 53:41
  Who made 'em?
• 53:42
  No, that's, I haven't been able to find that.
• 53:44
  Hold on.
• 53:44
  Hold on.
• 53:45
  One person speculated that it.
• 53:47
  Oh, it was probably Michelin.
• 53:48
  Okay, great.
• 53:49
  That's not fact.
• 53:50
  GD tires.
• 53:51
  Oh, okay.
• 53:52
  Yeah.
• 53:53
  God damn tires.
• 53:56
  GITI.
• 53:58
  I got my gds and my Yang yang.
• 54:01
  My yang Wangs got some goddamn tires.
• 54:04
  BYD was able to set new EV land speed record equipped with the GD Sport.
• 54:09
  E GTR two pro tires Uhhuh, a tire pattern that was especially designed and developed
• 54:14
  in collaboration with a Yang Wang team.
• 54:16
  My Yang Wang's got a team.
• 54:18
  Can you imagine?
• 54:18
  Roll it up with a T-shirt that says Team Yang Wang.
• 54:26
  The jokes write themselves.
• 54:27
  I mean, there's nothing you could do.
• 54:30
  Yang Wang.
• 54:31
  Hold on.
• 54:31
  Who makes GD tires?
• 54:33
  So it's a street legal, semi slick designed for electric supercars.
• 54:39
  There you go.
• 54:40
  And it only comes on one the yang wing collusion.
• 54:43
  As we wrap up our Asian car news, we actually have some sad
• 54:47
  news this month, right Tanya?
• 54:48
  Yes.
• 54:49
  I saw this Su Matano, the father of the Miata passed away.
• 54:55
  It's 76 years old a couple days ago.
• 54:58
  So he not only is responsible for the Miata, he's also
• 55:02
  responsible for the FD Rx seven.
• 55:04
  I actually interviewed a couple of years ago Professor Norman Garrett,
• 55:08
  who was Mr. M's right hand man.
• 55:11
  In designing the Miata, he developed parts of the suspension and all the
• 55:14
  things that we love about the Miata and, and I urge people, if you've
• 55:17
  never dove into the creation story of the Miata, to go back into our
• 55:22
  catalog and listen to that episode.
• 55:23
  It was a couple of years ago, but he also talks about working on the
• 55:26
  third gen RX seven with Mr. M as well.
• 55:28
  So it's pretty cool.
• 55:30
  But you know, sad to see a legend in the design world, unfortunately taken from us.
• 55:34
  I dunno, the Miata lives on.
• 55:36
  I'm curious to see what comes next for Mazda in that department.
• 55:39
  They're doing good things elsewhere.
• 55:40
  Nowadays I'm seeing, I'm seeing them all over the road.
• 55:43
  It's crazy.
• 55:44
  What Mazda Miatas?
• 55:45
  No.
• 55:45
  Miata?
• 55:46
  No, I'm talking Mazdas in general.
• 55:47
  Mazdas in general, but I haven't seen any of the new Miatas on the road like hardly.
• 55:53
  Do they still make the ND Miata?
• 55:55
  I think so.
• 55:55
  Well this, because they're all Miata Cup cars and until, you know what I mean?
• 55:58
  They gotta make their way through the system.
• 56:00
  Maybe the Mid Atlantic's not a great.
• 56:02
  Weather place for them?
• 56:04
  No, no.
• 56:04
  I think you see probably more in the southwest than California and
• 56:07
  places Florida, places like that.
• 56:08
  You definitely see 'em at the track.
• 56:10
  That's for sure.
• 56:10
  I mean, Brad, when we were at VIR, there's a whole cup series of end Miatas.
• 56:14
  I mean they, there was what, probably 35 of them out there running the track.
• 56:17
  It was nuts.
• 56:18
  It's like, it sounded like a swarm of hornets.
• 56:20
  It was bonkers.
• 56:21
  Shout out to Sally Mott.
• 56:23
  Unfortunately, she had a bad run.
• 56:24
  Mazda's always made really interesting looking sharp cars to me.
• 56:29
  Something about them, for whatever reason, they're just, I, I used to love the 6 2 6.
• 56:33
  If we go back to our original topic, like you never see six two sixes anymore.
• 56:37
  The Mazda speed six.
• 56:39
  The Mazda millennia.
• 56:41
  Oh my God.
• 56:42
  Oh wow.
• 56:44
  What?
• 56:44
  That's like Windows me edition.
• 56:46
  Come on.
• 56:47
  Remember the Mazda Millennia?
• 56:49
  Yes.
• 56:49
  Those were nice cars too.
• 56:50
  Forgot about that.
• 56:51
  They're styling.
• 56:52
  It's just like if I was in the market for an SUV right now, I
• 56:55
  would totally go look at the CX 90.
• 56:57
  Yeah, those are really nice.
• 56:58
  And with that turbo inline six.
• 57:00
  They're really, really slick looking.
• 57:02
  Yeah, that's a BMW takeout right there.
• 57:05
  'cause you can get it for a lot less than an X five.
• 57:07
  And it's as nice inside and out as the BMWs are, or at least the BMWs used to be.
• 57:11
  Right.
• 57:11
  'cause the Germans are starting to make stuff a little cheaper.
• 57:14
  Yeah.
• 57:14
  The thing about the Germans making stuff cheaper is they're using cheaper parts.
• 57:17
  Mazda's been making things cheaper just because they like making things cheaper.
• 57:21
  Yeah, that's true.
• 57:22
  Well, we don't often have motorcycle news, but we do have motorcycle news and
• 57:27
  I think this one would shock you guys.
• 57:29
  We're probably not sad to see him leave Formula One, but all I'm gonna say is that
• 57:35
  it's gonna make Moto GP super interesting.
• 57:37
  Now, the Gunther Steiner is a team principle.
• 57:39
  Is he of what?
• 57:41
  Yes.
• 57:42
  And he owns a Moto GP team now or whatever.
• 57:45
  It's gonna make Ride to Survive season one.
• 57:48
  Really interesting.
• 57:53
  I didn't know Gene Haas bought a motorcycle team.
• 57:56
  God fucking gene ass.
• 57:58
  Can you imagine?
• 58:00
  I mean, maybe it's the right place for Gunther.
• 58:02
  I don't know.
• 58:03
  Good luck to him.
• 58:04
  Going into next year, he is gonna be at the head of Tech three Racing
• 58:07
  Moto GP team, full ownership.
• 58:10
  It'll be back marker team.
• 58:12
  So in order for him to get the job as team principal, he had to buy the team.
• 58:16
  I mean, if you aint first, your last.
• 58:18
  Right.
• 58:18
  Also in Motorcycle news, I thought it was cool to see the other series.
• 58:22
  You know, there's Moto GP and then there's Moto America and Moto America
• 58:25
  season finale is gonna be in our backyard and we'll be over by the
• 58:30
  time you listen to this episode.
• 58:31
  But here at the tail end of September, Moto America will be finishing out its
• 58:36
  season at New Jersey Motorsport Park.
• 58:39
  How cool is that?
• 58:40
  So I wanna keep that on our radar for next year because it has been on
• 58:45
  my bucket list to go to one of these like high end motorcycle races like
• 58:49
  Mo GP or MO America, and check it out.
• 58:51
  'cause I, on TV it's like, eh, like car racing on tv.
• 58:54
  I can do motorcycles for whatever reason I can't.
• 58:56
  But I'd really like to go see one in person.
• 58:58
  So Brad, that's gonna be one of our adventures for next year.
• 59:00
  And if Motor America is coming to NJ and P. Well, why the hell not?
• 59:03
  Right?
• 59:04
  Do they go to VIR?
• 59:05
  If they go to VIR?
• 59:06
  I am so there.
• 59:07
  I may be like, we gotta figure it out.
• 59:09
  I and I, I, I would love to watch the race with the baggers.
• 59:13
  Yeah.
• 59:14
  Yeah.
• 59:14
  Here.
• 59:15
  It's really entertaining.
• 59:16
  Those bikes look really cool.
• 59:17
  Switching gears to EVs and concept cars, what do you got for us, Eric?
• 59:20
  Well, you know, I wanna go back and unfortunately Brad, I don't know if
• 59:23
  you listened to the episode where William covered for you, and we
• 59:27
  talked about our adventures in Europe.
• 59:29
  One of the things that came up was William and I were talking about the rules and
• 59:34
  stuff in the EU were more electric cars.
• 59:35
  More electric cars, more electric cars.
• 59:37
  I wanted to circle back, I wanted to ask Tanya as much as
• 59:40
  they pushed for electric cars.
• 59:41
  I didn't see any charging stations anywhere, so I kept wondering like, where
• 59:46
  are people charging their EVs in Europe?
• 59:48
  And I stopped at a couple auto grills, and I can't say maybe
• 59:53
  there were a couple end spots.
• 59:55
  I don't know.
• 59:56
  I don't remember.
• 59:57
  And if they are, they're very well hidden, or maybe they're in people's
• 59:59
  personal garages or you know, they're charging at home or something like that.
• 1:00:02
  Because over there they already do two 20.
• 1:00:04
  So you could do a level two charger like right off the bat.
• 1:00:07
  But it was something that William and I had talked about after the
• 1:00:10
  episode and he goes, yeah man, I remember we were talking about it and.
• 1:00:13
  There were no chargers, even in France where we were, you didn't really see them.
• 1:00:17
  And I was like, it's really bizarre because there's such
• 1:00:19
  a big push for EVs in the eu.
• 1:00:21
  So if somebody's got more information on that, I would love to know like
• 1:00:25
  how they're doing their charging on, on such an old infrastructure.
• 1:00:29
  I mean, we talk about our infrastructure problems as well, which leads into
• 1:00:33
  something I found interesting that one of our members posted about
• 1:00:36
  how the US government is taking away the ability for EVs to run in
• 1:00:41
  the carpool lanes in California.
• 1:00:44
  Really kinda weird and especially weird for a state like.
• 1:00:47
  California Right.
• 1:00:49
  To be denying this one point that the author makes but really fails to
• 1:00:56
  elaborate on appropriately, I think, is that, well, to be fair, the Carpool
• 1:01:00
  lane is intended mostly for carpooling and Yes, by name, that's true.
• 1:01:05
  But the reason carpool lanes even originated was back in the seventies
• 1:01:10
  'cause of the oil crisis where they wanted you to carpool in order to reduce
• 1:01:15
  congestion and emissions and conserve fuel by having less cars on the road.
• 1:01:22
  Right?
• 1:01:22
  And so if it is about emissions and things like that.
• 1:01:26
  Well then an an ev no matter the number of people in it fits that criteria.
• 1:01:30
  Ooh.
• 1:01:30
  I know what they'll do in California.
• 1:01:32
  They'll create like their version of a bike lien for EVs.
• 1:01:35
  It's the EV lien.
• 1:01:36
  Ooh.
• 1:01:37
  It's the charger in it.
• 1:01:38
  So they charge themselves as they go.
• 1:01:39
  Yes.
• 1:01:39
  And then they bill you for it on a subscription.
• 1:01:42
  That's how it's gonna work in California.
• 1:01:43
  That's what's coming next.
• 1:01:44
  That's what my spidey sense is telling me.
• 1:01:47
  I don't know how I feel about this.
• 1:01:48
  It's, it's kind of weird.
• 1:01:49
  It is kind of weird because even the HOV lanes, you know, the carpool
• 1:01:53
  lanes that we have here on the East coast, I think people abuse them.
• 1:01:57
  Which on the one hand then like, fine put more EVs in there.
• 1:01:59
  'cause then that's less people in the main lanes clogging it up.
• 1:02:02
  Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Oh, now we get to move on to Brad's favorite part of the
• 1:02:06
  drive-through Lost and found.
• 1:02:09
  Tanya, I found something for you and I'm wondering if it was a missed opportunity.
• 1:02:14
  I remember this one now.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah, remember this one?
• 1:02:16
  This is that sleeper beetle with the twin turbo VR six under the hood,
• 1:02:21
  making like a gajillion horsepower.
• 1:02:24
  And at the time we were watching the auction on bring a trailer and it
• 1:02:28
  was like, I dunno, like 20 grand.
• 1:02:29
  And I was like, yeah, that's not bad.
• 1:02:31
  This car's got a lot of mods in it.
• 1:02:33
  There's a lot of work done to this car.
• 1:02:35
  So were we right not to pull the trigger or did it sell for too much?
• 1:02:40
  What did it go for?
• 1:02:41
  56,000, almost 57.
• 1:02:44
  But it's a new beetle or sorry.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, it's a new beetle version.
• 1:02:46
  But I mean, I meant it's a turbo s that they converted to this twin VR six.
• 1:02:52
  And so my hangup even at $20,000 is I know what it means to work
• 1:02:58
  on a four cylinder new beetle.
• 1:03:02
  That it barely fits.
• 1:03:03
  How did they fit?
• 1:03:04
  Like you ever have to do maintenance on this thing.
• 1:03:07
  It would be an absolute tragedy from the photo.
• 1:03:09
  I think you have to disconnect half this intake just to get the battery
• 1:03:12
  out now, and it's all-wheel drive.
• 1:03:14
  It's basically an RSI with twin turbos, which I hope they would've imported
• 1:03:18
  one then because if they converted a front wheel drive to drive, my
• 1:03:23
  God, that's a tube frame rear end.
• 1:03:25
  I mean, you just have to look at it at the pictures of it up on the lift.
• 1:03:27
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:28
  Yeah.
• 1:03:28
  That's sick though, dude.
• 1:03:29
  I mean that, Ugh.
• 1:03:31
  I mean for the amount of work they did on it.
• 1:03:34
  20,000 would've been an absolute steal.
• 1:03:37
  Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  For the labor and the time that went into it.
• 1:03:39
  One could argue maybe even at 50,000, that was still a good deal.
• 1:03:43
  All wheel drive conversion, vr, sixes, blah, blah blah.
• 1:03:47
  Everything else that's got going on with it, one of one beetle.
• 1:03:50
  But this was done professionally.
• 1:03:52
  This was an HPA beat a lot of Canada.
• 1:03:55
  This was back in the heyday when they were competing against
• 1:03:58
  EIP tuning, which became IAG.
• 1:04:00
  The big Subaru guys, they built their monster, R 32, which HPA had one.
• 1:04:05
  But then they built this, and it's like, the nice part is
• 1:04:07
  it was professionally built.
• 1:04:09
  It wasn't done in somebody's basement, out of parts overnight from Japan.
• 1:04:12
  You've got that going for it.
• 1:04:14
  But when you dig into a car like this that's so specialized, you
• 1:04:18
  begin to wonder, well, where did they source that part?
• 1:04:20
  Can I get that part?
• 1:04:21
  Was it something that they machined or did they fabricate it?
• 1:04:23
  So there's a lot of question marks.
• 1:04:24
  So I think it would've been really cool to your point, if it had sold
• 1:04:28
  for 25, I would've felt really bad.
• 1:04:30
  This is a 400 horsepower all wheel drive beetle.
• 1:04:33
  This would've been really cool to kick around in.
• 1:04:35
  I'd have been scared to drive it.
• 1:04:37
  'cause God forbid something breaks.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, but it would've been super cool though.
• 1:04:40
  It'd have to be just like you drive around occasionally, the occasional
• 1:04:45
  time you drive around, it'd be awesome.
• 1:04:46
  It would be no doubt.
• 1:04:48
  I think the irony though here is that this is where great minds think alike, or it's.
• 1:04:53
  These are the only seats that fit that car.
• 1:04:55
  They have the exact same seats in this car that you have in yours.
• 1:04:58
  I know.
• 1:04:58
  I noticed exactly the same seat.
• 1:05:02
  I was like, wow, look at that.
• 1:05:03
  Somebody back in the day, and I thought it might have been HPA, but
• 1:05:08
  I can't remember who it was, made a mid engine S four powered Mark 4G TI.
• 1:05:15
  Oh yeah, you're right.
• 1:05:16
  That did exist.
• 1:05:17
  And then the factory did that crazy mark five W 12 thing
• 1:05:21
  that, yeah, proof of concept.
• 1:05:22
  I'm trying to remember who did that.
• 1:05:24
  Mid-engine golf.
• 1:05:25
  Was it Dahlback?
• 1:05:26
  Oh, it's the Dahlback car.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, they did.
• 1:05:28
  They did that.
• 1:05:29
  They also did the inline five cylinder turbo golf.
• 1:05:32
  That was like ridiculous.
• 1:05:33
  They would shoot flames out the back and stuff.
• 1:05:35
  They had all sorts of crazy cars.
• 1:05:36
  I think they were in like Sweden or Germany or somewhere.
• 1:05:39
  I think I had that doll back.
• 1:05:41
  Golf as my screensaver for a while back in the day.
• 1:05:44
  Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  They called it the RSI or RST or something like that.
• 1:05:47
  It's been a while since I looked at those.
• 1:05:49
  But any rate, our friends, gray Chevrolet and Chuck LeDuc, you know
• 1:05:53
  they sell cars all the time, but did you know that Amazon sells cars now?
• 1:05:58
  I know Amazon sells houses.
• 1:06:00
  Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  'cause don't, don't they have that pickup truck?
• 1:06:02
  Bezos's pickup truck.
• 1:06:03
  This is Hertz is selling their fleet through Amazon.
• 1:06:08
  Oh, so you can, oh, you can one click buy now.
• 1:06:11
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:06:12
  Your car shows up next day.
• 1:06:13
  Prime delivery on a Carvana tow truck.
• 1:06:16
  I've said it before.
• 1:06:17
  No one aspires to own a rental car.
• 1:06:19
  Let's just nip this in the bud.
• 1:06:21
  Would you buy an ex rental car from Hertz through Amazon?
• 1:06:26
  How desperate do you have to be?
• 1:06:28
  There are a lot of channels there.
• 1:06:30
  You gotta go through everything from A to Z. Alright, fine.
• 1:06:33
  I'm gonna do a Brad version of this question.
• 1:06:35
  All right.
• 1:06:36
  Here we go.
• 1:06:37
  Hertz through Amazon or used Nissan Ultima.
• 1:06:41
  Which do you buy?
• 1:06:42
  Used Hertz Nissan Ultima through Amazon.
• 1:06:48
  That's like the worst of the worst.
• 1:06:52
  Oh, and, and to quote the article to make you feel safe
• 1:06:55
  about buying these hertz cars.
• 1:06:57
  The vast majority of people renting something like a Nissan Altima, ah,
• 1:07:01
  my God, aren't launching it off a ramp or doing burnouts in a parking lot.
• 1:07:05
  I beg to challenge that statement.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah, right.
• 1:07:09
  Because Nissan Altimas, they live a rough life.
• 1:07:12
  They've seen some things, rental cars in general, live a rough
• 1:07:17
  life and have seen some things.
• 1:07:19
  The last time I had, I had a rental.
• 1:07:21
  When I totaled my Camaro, I had a trailblazer and I blew out the power
• 1:07:25
  steering doing donuts in the snow, and I just drove it back and said,
• 1:07:29
  Hey, the power steering stopped working, and they gave me a new one.
• 1:07:31
  Don't know what happened.
• 1:07:32
  Also, the tires are bald.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:35
  I don't, I don't, I don't know what happened.
• 1:07:36
  It just stopped working on me.
• 1:07:37
  I, I just, I'm gonna go buy a car now, so leave me alone.
• 1:07:40
  Oh boy.
• 1:07:41
  We've only done this a couple times this year.
• 1:07:43
  And we only have a couple more full drive-throughs left.
• 1:07:46
  Are we actually gonna talk about Tesla?
• 1:07:48
  I mean, I thought we took the year off.
• 1:07:51
  We said we weren't.
• 1:07:52
  Well, why do we do this instead of talking about them?
• 1:07:54
  We'll just post the articles and not bother.
• 1:07:56
  They're there for you to look at if you really wanna know.
• 1:07:59
  But I do wanna touch on this one because it's not really Tesla
• 1:08:02
  specifically, but about Tesla.
• 1:08:03
  My wife found this and sent it over and it's from the Atlantic, not a source
• 1:08:07
  that we normally pull articles from.
• 1:08:09
  And it was just a one shot saying Tesla wants out of the car business.
• 1:08:14
  I'm wondering how true that is because the Atlantic's not your typical clickbait.
• 1:08:19
  We're gonna do this to get people's attention.
• 1:08:21
  You know, they're usually pretty serious news, and I'm just like, huh.
• 1:08:24
  This is something, I feel like you said from the beginning that they're not a car
• 1:08:28
  manufacturer, they're a software company.
• 1:08:30
  Thank you.
• 1:08:30
  This article has absolutely zero credibility to me.
• 1:08:34
  Okay.
• 1:08:34
  I also didn't read it, so I don't know what it says.
• 1:08:36
  The, the first sentence, Elon Musk still makes some of
• 1:08:40
  America's best electric cars.
• 1:08:43
  Bullshit.
• 1:08:45
  And then, and then here we go.
• 1:08:47
  Because cyber truck, further on in that first paragraph, when the Model
• 1:08:51
  Y became the world's bestselling car, it did for like a hot second.
• 1:08:55
  So that's not.
• 1:08:56
  A lie necessarily.
• 1:08:58
  We'll call it an equivocation, which is lying with the truth,
• 1:09:02
  but it's not necessarily a lie.
• 1:09:03
  It's bullshit.
• 1:09:05
  Okay.
• 1:09:05
  I don't give a fuck what the numbers say.
• 1:09:05
  Flag on the play.
• 1:09:06
  The F-150 is the world's is No, the, the Toyota Camry or the Toyota Corolla or
• 1:09:11
  whatever is the world's best selling car.
• 1:09:13
  Not in America.
• 1:09:14
  F-150 is the best one 50 in America.
• 1:09:16
  Yeah, sure.
• 1:09:16
  True.
• 1:09:17
  But just like America's best electric cars.
• 1:09:20
  Switching gears.
• 1:09:21
  To what has changed names more times on this show than I can think, which is now
• 1:09:26
  called seriously what could go wrong?
• 1:09:29
  Lowered Expectation,
• 1:09:35
  formerly Lowered Expectations.
• 1:09:37
  How many times do we change the name to these segments?
• 1:09:40
  It's whatever you come up with, Brad.
• 1:09:42
  Whatever suits your fancy that month.
• 1:09:43
  I wanna go back yet again to the French episode that we did that William was here.
• 1:09:48
  If you remember Tanya, we were talking about leaving manual transmission
• 1:09:52
  cars, not in gear when they're parked, just pull on the hand brake.
• 1:09:56
  And we couldn't figure out why.
• 1:09:57
  We've always, you know, I just put it in first gear, why
• 1:09:59
  bother with the hand brake?
• 1:10:00
  Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:10:01
  What kind of stresses is it putting on the transmission?
• 1:10:03
  And I saw a video from Europe.
• 1:10:06
  I finally figured out why they don't put the cars in gear.
• 1:10:10
  And unfortunately I don't have the link for it anymore.
• 1:10:12
  'cause I lost it.
• 1:10:13
  It was one of those Instagram reels or whatever.
• 1:10:15
  And I'll just explain it to you.
• 1:10:16
  The mystery is solved.
• 1:10:17
  Now, if you've ever watched anybody parallel park in Paris or Budapest
• 1:10:22
  or Rome, or pick a city in Europe and there's no space, if the car's
• 1:10:26
  not in gear, you can push it.
• 1:10:29
  Make space for you to fit because you can override the handbrake
• 1:10:33
  and then when you stop pushing the other car, it'll just sit there.
• 1:10:36
  'cause the handbrake will hold it.
• 1:10:37
  So that's why you don't put your car in gear, because if you have left your car
• 1:10:40
  in gear and somebody pushed you out of the way to make space because you parked like
• 1:10:44
  a butthead, they ruin your transmission.
• 1:10:46
  So it's courtesy amongst the citizens that you leave your car.
• 1:10:50
  In neutral or just don't park like a butthead.
• 1:10:52
  Well, I mean, yeah, but still I solved the mystery.
• 1:10:55
  That's the reason.
• 1:10:56
  Are these people all driving PEOs?
• 1:10:58
  Of course they are.
• 1:10:59
  I mean, come on.
• 1:11:00
  And do they all have those stupid little rubber mats on their bumpers?
• 1:11:03
  Like the people up in New York that leave them on the road when they're
• 1:11:06
  going down the Jersey turnpike?
• 1:11:07
  Oh my God.
• 1:11:07
  Every time I see somebody with that, I'm like, where the hell do you live?
• 1:11:12
  The one that comes outta the trunk?
• 1:11:14
  Yes.
• 1:11:14
  It's like flaps outta the trunk.
• 1:11:15
  But they just, they're, they're lazy, so they don't bother putting it up
• 1:11:18
  when they're like driving somewhere.
• 1:11:20
  They just leave it down.
• 1:11:21
  So there's this two inch thick rubber mat hanging out the back of their trunk.
• 1:11:25
  I kid you not, I literally watch the video of somebody like with a fiat
• 1:11:28
  move, two other cars so they could fit.
• 1:11:30
  And it wasn't like they were bashing them like you, I'm
• 1:11:33
  gonna crash into it and move it.
• 1:11:34
  No, they just gently nudged it and then they nudged the other one and then they
• 1:11:37
  made space and then they parked and they got outta the car and they walked away.
• 1:11:40
  It wasn't like, oh, stage it for the gram.
• 1:11:43
  It was like closed circuit tv, just watching the street.
• 1:11:46
  And I'm like, this is for real people.
• 1:11:48
  Wow.
• 1:11:48
  And at that moment, that's when I was like, boom.
• 1:11:50
  Light bulb went off.
• 1:11:51
  I got, I understand now.
• 1:11:52
  So it's proper etiquette to do that on the streets of Europe.
• 1:11:55
  But if I do it on an airplane, no, that's sexual harassment.
• 1:12:02
  What?
• 1:12:03
  That's okay.
• 1:12:04
  'cause Southwest has a sign seating now, so it's all good.
• 1:12:07
  It'll fix all the problems.
• 1:12:08
  Yeah.
• 1:12:09
  Oh my God.
• 1:12:09
  Never sit in the middle.
• 1:12:10
  I took a left turn, dude, I make sure I fly in a different row
• 1:12:14
  than you when we get on a plane.
• 1:12:16
  I can't even make it through security with you.
• 1:12:18
  Remember?
• 1:12:19
  That's a whole nother story.
• 1:12:20
  Well, yeah.
• 1:12:20
  'cause I'm, I'm Mr. America.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah, right.
• 1:12:23
  So during our little adventure to VIR, one of the evenings,
• 1:12:28
  we got an opportunity to watch.
• 1:12:30
  The Formula One movie.
• 1:12:32
  I didn't know that.
• 1:12:33
  Yeah, that's why we kept it, and we also kept it in lowered expectations.
• 1:12:36
  Brad, what's your 32nd synopsis of the Formula One movie?
• 1:12:40
  I thought it was like any race, car, movie or whatever that's
• 1:12:44
  come out in the last few years.
• 1:12:46
  It was just okay.
• 1:12:47
  It was entertaining.
• 1:12:48
  It's not factual regarding like stuff that the car nerds would pick up on.
• 1:12:52
  Yeah, I mean, obviously there's things that are wrong and then
• 1:12:54
  dramatizations and stuff like that.
• 1:12:56
  I thought it was entertaining.
• 1:12:57
  I thought it was good.
• 1:12:58
  Uh, it was no different than the Grando movie.
• 1:13:01
  I like the cameos in the movie, like, you know, Alonzo popping up and then
• 1:13:05
  the beginning Patrick Long's there when they're at Daytona and stuff like that.
• 1:13:08
  And yeah, it's, it's just a newer version of Driven in some ways.
• 1:13:13
  Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  I think you could have replaced Brad Pitt with just about anybody.
• 1:13:16
  You know, who it should have been.
• 1:13:18
  It should have been Dempsey.
• 1:13:19
  That would've been a lot cooler actually, either Dempsey or Fastbender.
• 1:13:23
  'cause they actually have legitimate like chops and they're both great actors.
• 1:13:27
  I mean, they're, I don't think Brad Pitt's a better actor than anyone.
• 1:13:30
  What happened is Brad Pitt paid for the movie.
• 1:13:32
  I think there was a weird undertone.
• 1:13:34
  Brad Pitt's teammate was sort of this poster, Lewis Hamilton
• 1:13:39
  trying to make a statement.
• 1:13:41
  Hamilton was also one of the producers or something like that.
• 1:13:44
  Yes.
• 1:13:44
  He was heavily involved in it.
• 1:13:45
  Yeah.
• 1:13:46
  And I feel like he wrote some of his own personality and maybe some of
• 1:13:50
  his own soapbox into that character.
• 1:13:53
  Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  I don't know.
• 1:13:54
  I didn't know how to come away from it, but it was like, it was really obvious.
• 1:13:56
  Right.
• 1:13:57
  Maybe not to other people.
• 1:13:58
  He came across as like a pre Madonna kind of.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Like I'm, I'm the best, you know, kind of thing.
• 1:14:03
  And then like they also tried to spin it like he did stupid things like Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  To make people feel that way.
• 1:14:09
  But they also tried to spin it like he was kind of misunderstood.
• 1:14:13
  His upbringing and like the relationship with his mom and stuff like that.
• 1:14:16
  I don't think his dad was in the picture in the film.
• 1:14:18
  Right.
• 1:14:18
  I can't remember if his dad was there or not, but they were trying
• 1:14:21
  to give a little bit of backstory, I guess, into his personality and
• 1:14:24
  how he might have been that way.
• 1:14:25
  But I feel like it was kind of shallow.
• 1:14:27
  I thought that Pavier Barham did a good job.
• 1:14:30
  I actually really liked him.
• 1:14:31
  I love him as a, he's, he's a great actor.
• 1:14:33
  He did a good job.
• 1:14:33
  I think he played the part of, I'm trying to remember the Italian guy's
• 1:14:37
  name that was always sort of behind the scenes, even in the old days
• 1:14:40
  with like Lancia and stuff like that.
• 1:14:42
  And his name escapes me at the moment.
• 1:14:43
  But I think he portrayed that type of behind the scenes, pulling the
• 1:14:48
  strings, playing the F1 politics and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:14:51
  He had some good one-liners.
• 1:14:53
  He was Lawrence Stroll.
• 1:14:54
  No, he was not Lawrence Stroll.
• 1:14:56
  No, not at all.
• 1:14:57
  I thought he did a really good job in that.
• 1:15:00
  I, although I think it was funny to see like Christian Horner in the,
• 1:15:03
  the background kind of dates the movie a little bit based on recent
• 1:15:07
  events, but uh, you know, I. I know you're heartbroken over that, Brad.
• 1:15:11
  I mean, Christian Horner's gone from Red Bull.
• 1:15:13
  Yeah, I, I don't care.
• 1:15:14
  Christian Horn Dog.
• 1:15:15
  What?
• 1:15:17
  Yeah.
• 1:15:17
  Well, we'll come back to Formula One in a minute.
• 1:15:19
  Well, well, Tanya, have you watched the F1 movie yet?
• 1:15:22
  No, have not.
• 1:15:23
  No spoilers, no.
• 1:15:24
  Now that's why we don't wanna tell you anything more, but
• 1:15:26
  when you do, you let us know.
• 1:15:28
  We'll do this again, then we will, we'll do it again.
• 1:15:30
  Yeah.
• 1:15:30
  It's sort of like the Sena thing that took six months for you to watch.
• 1:15:34
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:34
  Well, where can I watch it?
• 1:15:36
  You can watch it through Prime.
• 1:15:37
  You don't have to have Apple, but you have to rent it.
• 1:15:40
  That's how we watched it, which means you have to pay for it for 12.
• 1:15:42
  Nine nine can watch it now for 49 cents on YouTube.
• 1:15:45
  Apparently for five hours.
• 1:15:50
  There's the advertise, there's the some guy with a handy cam in the, in the
• 1:15:53
  theater, back to the old bootleg days.
• 1:15:58
  Maybe they go to that movie theater that William goes to
• 1:16:00
  where it's like seven bucks and you gotta shuck your own popcorn.
• 1:16:03
  You know that kind of thing.
• 1:16:04
  20 bucks to rent it.
• 1:16:05
  Yeah.
• 1:16:05
  How much is it that just go buy 22?
• 1:16:08
  You can't, 'cause it's an Apple thing, you can't buy it.
• 1:16:10
  You can, you can buy it.
• 1:16:11
  That's what, um, Tom, I thought he rented it throughout.
• 1:16:14
  No, he bought it.
• 1:16:15
  Oh, whatever.
• 1:16:15
  It's still 20 bucks or 20.
• 1:16:17
  But he did get it through Prime.
• 1:16:18
  Oh, bullshit.
• 1:16:18
  You can buy it on Blu-ray.
• 1:16:19
  Target 33 49.
• 1:16:21
  Who's got a Blu-ray player that's even more expensive.
• 1:16:24
  No, wait a second.
• 1:16:25
  F1, the movie Blu-Ray plus digital copy.
• 1:16:28
  24.95 at Walmart plus digital copy, so you get it on Fandango.
• 1:16:32
  So just go Fandango and get it.
• 1:16:34
  Then the digital copy is standard definition.
• 1:16:36
  Well, it's $20 on Fandango too, but at least you get it and you're done.
• 1:16:40
  Right.
• 1:16:40
  Boom, whatever.
• 1:16:41
  I can get it for $24 at Walmart too.
• 1:16:43
  It's like when you buy TurboTax at Best Buy and they send you the product code,
• 1:16:48
  you're gonna get the product code.
• 1:16:51
  So terrible.
• 1:16:52
  So in lieu of rich people.
• 1:16:54
  Thanks.
• 1:16:54
  I just want to switch it up and go GTM Book Club and recommend two books that
• 1:16:59
  I read during this time off that we had skipping a month of the drive through.
• 1:17:03
  So I went back and I read a book called Faster by Neil Bascom.
• 1:17:07
  It's the story of Lucy O'Reilly Shell and Renee Drefus and the dhe.
• 1:17:11
  That's the car manufactured dhe, and it talks about challenging the silver
• 1:17:16
  arrows of Mercedes and Auto Union right up to the brink of World War ii.
• 1:17:20
  It's also the story that Lauren Goodman, who comes on the show to do
• 1:17:24
  our Women of the Autos Sphere series.
• 1:17:27
  She did a presentation on that as part of her work at Revs for the
• 1:17:31
  Ainger Symposium a couple years back.
• 1:17:33
  So I was able to kind of jump back into that story and learn a lot more about it.
• 1:17:36
  I'll say the book is very detailed if you're not.
• 1:17:39
  A historical fiction type.
• 1:17:41
  Maybe it's not your thing.
• 1:17:43
  If you like World War II and you wanna get a different outlook on, you know,
• 1:17:46
  the buildup to World War ii, it's a good book from that perspective.
• 1:17:49
  There is a lot of car technical jargon in it and you're, you're trying to kind of
• 1:17:52
  keep up with everything that's going on.
• 1:17:54
  But it's available on Amazon at Barnes and Noble, and it's also
• 1:17:58
  available as an audio book on Spotify.
• 1:18:00
  In addition to that, I didn't get the print version.
• 1:18:03
  I kind of cheated and did the audio book.
• 1:18:05
  I listened to the Man in the White Suit as an audio book available through Spotify.
• 1:18:10
  For those that don't know, that's the story of Ben
• 1:18:13
  Collins, the Stig from Top Gear.
• 1:18:16
  He was the second Stig from 2003 to 2011.
• 1:18:19
  It's actually read by Ben Collins and it gives some really interesting behind
• 1:18:25
  the scenes views in, not only into his racing career, his personal life, things
• 1:18:29
  like, I didn't know he was in the Army Reserves, you know, stuff like that.
• 1:18:32
  But it also talks about the golden era of top gear.
• 1:18:36
  And I thought it was really cool to hear his perspective on, you know,
• 1:18:39
  James May and working with Hammonds and what Jeremy Clarkson was like,
• 1:18:43
  you know, when the cameras are turned off and things like that.
• 1:18:45
  So that was a really good, listen, I don't wanna call it a read, you know,
• 1:18:49
  again, it's available as an audiobook free if you have Spotify premium.
• 1:18:52
  So check out the man in the white suit, and I'm still hoping to have
• 1:18:56
  Ben on an episode of Evening with a Legend, 'cause one of the chapters
• 1:19:00
  in the book is devoted to his three attempts at the 24 hours of Lama.
• 1:19:04
  So yeah, there's hope.
• 1:19:05
  Cross our fingers on that one.
• 1:19:07
  All right, Tanya's favorite section of the drive through,
• 1:19:10
  formerly known as Florida Man.
• 1:19:26
  Are you faster than an interceptor?
• 1:19:28
  Well, and this first one definitely is a, are you faster than interceptor
• 1:19:33
  in your gravelly zero turn lawnmower going down the, oh no Florida highway.
• 1:19:40
  Are you faster than an interceptor?
• 1:19:42
  And the answer to that is no.
• 1:19:44
  I think the answer always no.
• 1:19:47
  This is a nice zero turn.
• 1:19:50
  They can do 25, 30 mile an hour.
• 1:19:52
  Right?
• 1:19:52
  I mean, that's pretty decent.
• 1:19:54
  I used to go to the drag strip up there in Frederick all the time and they had
• 1:19:59
  the snowmobiles and the, the lawnmowers, the tractors right, going down the drag.
• 1:20:04
  So it's not out of the realm of possibility.
• 1:20:07
  I never saw a zero turn do it though.
• 1:20:09
  What was he drinking?
• 1:20:10
  That's my question.
• 1:20:11
  So this next one I had subtitled, it's time to make the donuts.
• 1:20:15
  So I'm impressed with this.
• 1:20:16
  'cause it's not every day, it's a woman.
• 1:20:19
  It's.
• 1:20:19
  Doing donuts in a Mustang Fresno, California.
• 1:20:22
  This 21-year-old, she's doing donuts, then she's trying to hit
• 1:20:25
  the officers on the motorcycle.
• 1:20:28
  She gets pit maneuvered.
• 1:20:29
  Then she gets tasered and then she gets arrested,
• 1:20:34
  and this didn't happen at 2:00 AM this happened in broad daylight, 9:00
• 1:20:38
  AM after the school drop off, she was like, I'm gonna do some donuts.
• 1:20:44
  Phenomenal.
• 1:20:44
  Holy crap.
• 1:20:45
  She was probably.
• 1:20:47
  On something.
• 1:20:48
  At least she had the decency not to do it at a cars and coffee.
• 1:20:51
  No, she just did it in a neighborhood.
• 1:20:53
  It looks like there weren't any pedestrians around
• 1:20:55
  that know at the moment.
• 1:20:56
  It looked like there was a sidewalk, you know, whatever.
• 1:20:58
  This could have been little kids.
• 1:20:59
  Oh boy.
• 1:21:00
  What's next?
• 1:21:01
  Oh yes.
• 1:21:01
  So also, are you faster than interceptor?
• 1:21:06
  We go to Indiana, we haven't been to Indiana.
• 1:21:08
  I don't know.
• 1:21:09
  We need to create that heat map of all the places we've had.
• 1:21:12
  Florida man stories.
• 1:21:13
  I'm telling you in another edition of Are You Faster Than Interceptor?
• 1:21:16
  Are you Faster than a Battery Powered Power Wheels Jeep?
• 1:21:22
  What?
• 1:21:22
  You're kidding me.
• 1:21:24
  So he was drunk, and so I guess he figured I won't get in my real car.
• 1:21:27
  I'll get in a Power Wheels Jeep and that won't count.
• 1:21:30
  Come on.
• 1:21:31
  But he got a DUI in a Power Wheels Jeep.
• 1:21:34
  This reminds me of that girl.
• 1:21:36
  She was in college and she lost her license for driving under the influence.
• 1:21:40
  So she drove around town in like a pink Barbie Jeep or something, going
• 1:21:45
  to the grocery store and all that shit.
• 1:21:46
  At least he didn't try to evade the cops, although it would've been
• 1:21:50
  really funny to see him bang a hard right and just go off into the grass
• 1:21:54
  and see if they would chase him.
• 1:21:55
  But I, I do appreciate the fact that he pulled over onto that shoulder
• 1:21:59
  apron, driveway, whatever it is, and he just immediately put his hands up.
• 1:22:03
  I know I've done wrong.
• 1:22:04
  Is this really a crime?
• 1:22:05
  It's a crime shame because you know how these Florida man stories
• 1:22:08
  usually end up, you get out, you get naked and you run into a swamp.
• 1:22:12
  So none of those things happen.
• 1:22:14
  So it's a completely, he would've already started that.
• 1:22:16
  He was naked.
• 1:22:18
  This is awesome.
• 1:22:19
  So this was a weird one.
• 1:22:21
  Apparently some sort of scam in Cleveland, and I'm not sure I fully
• 1:22:25
  understood it the first time, nor fully understand it this time.
• 1:22:28
  Some lady was driving down the road and then she heard what, apparently it sounded
• 1:22:33
  like a rock hitting the windshield.
• 1:22:35
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:22:35
  Kept on going.
• 1:22:36
  Hours later when she's home, these people roll up to her house.
• 1:22:40
  Demanding that she has her cell phone, she ignored them and all this stuff.
• 1:22:46
  And she goes to go look at her car and there was a cell phone
• 1:22:49
  attached to it, like magnetic.
• 1:22:52
  Oh.
• 1:22:52
  So they tracked her.
• 1:22:53
  But what I'm confused about is were they trying to do a home invasion?
• 1:22:57
  'cause then why leave the cell phone on the car?
• 1:22:59
  I don't know.
• 1:22:59
  That's, they don't say where she found it.
• 1:23:01
  So maybe she looked really hard and, and kind of found it in a
• 1:23:05
  hidden place and they were gonna keep tracking her or something.
• 1:23:08
  I'm guessing it must have been some sort of home invasion or attempt to
• 1:23:11
  do a carjacking that's kind of scar.
• 1:23:14
  Clever.
• 1:23:14
  Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Or maybe once they realized the car was at a residence, maybe they
• 1:23:18
  were trying to steal the car, so then they figured we're not gonna
• 1:23:21
  steal it outta somebody's driveway.
• 1:23:23
  But if it was at the target parking lot, they would try to get it,
• 1:23:25
  you know, or something like that.
• 1:23:26
  That's a little James Bondi throwing your entire phone.
• 1:23:30
  That's a bit much too.
• 1:23:31
  I mean, you're with a magnet.
• 1:23:32
  Yeah.
• 1:23:33
  I don't, I guess, I guess that's the noise she heard was they like launch the phone
• 1:23:36
  and it actually stuck a higher probability of getting hit by lightning, I think.
• 1:23:42
  I don't know.
• 1:23:43
  Bizarre.
• 1:23:43
  But it's a, I guess helpful PSA reminder to people to, you know, always be careful
• 1:23:47
  when there's something suspicious.
• 1:23:48
  Like when you go out to your car late at night and there's, you don't
• 1:23:51
  realize, oh, there's this piece of paper on the rear glass, I gotta get
• 1:23:54
  back outta the car to get it out.
• 1:23:55
  Don't do that.
• 1:23:57
  Don't ever do that.
• 1:23:57
  Just drive off.
• 1:23:58
  Just drive away.
• 1:23:59
  Especially women.
• 1:23:59
  Just keep going.
• 1:24:00
  Let the piece of paper be stuck under your windshield wiper.
• 1:24:03
  Keep going.
• 1:24:03
  Yeah.
• 1:24:04
  Yeah.
• 1:24:04
  That's a setup right there.
• 1:24:05
  Well, since this is Cleveland, I'm gonna follow up with William and
• 1:24:08
  ask him if he knows about this scam.
• 1:24:10
  Now we're gonna go to Pennsylvania, Penn Tuckie.
• 1:24:13
  So how would you feel like, so talking about buying those Hertz used rental cars
• 1:24:17
  on Amazon that have been seen some things.
• 1:24:20
  How would you like to get a dealership offer a thousand dollars off plus
• 1:24:25
  $1,250 in rebate for some Kias that fell into a sinkhole in the dealership's
• 1:24:30
  parking lot, the groundbreaking deal, 2250 off of a car that was in a hole.
• 1:24:36
  Are you serious?
• 1:24:37
  It didn't fall below the earth, but the earth broke underneath
• 1:24:41
  them and they're like in the air.
• 1:24:44
  Cattywampus fees and destination charges apply.
• 1:24:47
  No, I I would hard pass.
• 1:24:49
  These are gonna end up at auction.
• 1:24:50
  Why wouldn't you buy one?
• 1:24:51
  What does the Carfax say on this?
• 1:24:53
  Oh, car fell in hole Repaired by dealership.
• 1:24:57
  Really?
• 1:24:57
  I don't know.
• 1:24:58
  Well, it says four vehicles into a chasm with minimal damage and no injuries.
• 1:25:03
  Minimal damage.
• 1:25:04
  Two of them don't have rear bumpers.
• 1:25:06
  Yeah, 'cause they came off into the sinkhole.
• 1:25:08
  Alright, I'm gonna close out this Florida man by looking back,
• 1:25:13
  reaching into the past, reaching four years ago of drive-throughs.
• 1:25:25
  Remember when we reported on a guy in the Czech Republic who would go out
• 1:25:30
  in his Formula two and go bomb the highways and he's modified this car.
• 1:25:35
  It now looks like a Marlboro Ferrari from like the 1990s.
• 1:25:38
  It's amazing.
• 1:25:39
  After four years, the mystery F1 driver has been called on the
• 1:25:43
  internet, has finally been caught.
• 1:25:45
  Took him four years to catch this guy.
• 1:25:47
  So begging the question, are you faster than an interceptor?
• 1:25:52
  Yes, until now.
• 1:25:55
  Damn.
• 1:25:55
  How did they catch him?
• 1:25:57
  They found him at home and they arrested him there.
• 1:25:59
  Oh, that's lame.
• 1:26:00
  You gotta catch him on the highway though.
• 1:26:03
  They think they saw him at a petrol station and then they got 'em at home.
• 1:26:06
  There was your mistake.
• 1:26:07
  Don't fill up at the petrol station.
• 1:26:09
  Have those gas cans at home.
• 1:26:10
  Yeah, that was just stupid.
• 1:26:12
  Yeah, you never do a fuel stop in a formula car, but he got
• 1:26:16
  away with it for four years.
• 1:26:19
  That's pretty damn good.
• 1:26:20
  Yeah.
• 1:26:21
  Good for you.
• 1:26:21
  I mean, now he's gonna spend 10 years in jail, so whatever.
• 1:26:24
  It's all good.
• 1:26:25
  Worth it for the gram.
• 1:26:27
  Any, yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Anybody on Instagram?
• 1:26:30
  Who's seen that?
• 1:26:30
  That all blacked out?
• 1:26:31
  Corvette?
• 1:26:32
  Well, I think the license plate said will run.
• 1:26:36
  Oh yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Kind of like Mbit or something like that.
• 1:26:38
  I just, yeah, it's all for the Gram.
• 1:26:40
  Sort of like cart Vader.
• 1:26:41
  Remember him back in the days he'd go down in his shifter cart through Paris and all
• 1:26:44
  that stuff on the highways and whatnot.
• 1:26:46
  He got caught too eventually.
• 1:26:49
  Some of these comments are funny though, in Italy.
• 1:26:51
  I bet he would've been rewarded.
• 1:26:54
  I saw a video of that recently where a guy in a Ferrari got pulled over and the
• 1:26:58
  cop came up and shook his hand and said.
• 1:27:00
  This is one of the most beautiful Ferraris ever as the best engine ever, man.
• 1:27:03
  And the kind of es just there.
• 1:27:04
  Like he just keeps shaking his hand and keeps talking to him.
• 1:27:07
  And he's like, are you gonna give me a ticket?
• 1:27:09
  He's like, he's starting to getting tired of all the uh, the compliments, right?
• 1:27:12
  And then finally he just lets him go.
• 1:27:14
  And I'm like, alright, I like this one too.
• 1:27:16
  God forbid a man have hobbies.
• 1:27:20
  Well, on that note, it's time we go behind the pit wall and quickly talk about news.
• 1:27:26
  This is just gonna lead us into other things, Brad, but I just
• 1:27:30
  wanted to start with this 'cause I know this is big news for you.
• 1:27:32
  I wanted the biggest things for you on your comeback for drive through number 60.
• 1:27:37
  And I thought this is just so important that I didn't even wanna
• 1:27:40
  wait to the Formula one segment.
• 1:27:42
  Here it is.
• 1:27:43
  Get ready.
• 1:27:43
  Get your Kleenex out.
• 1:27:45
  Daniel Ricardo confirms retirement for motor racing.
• 1:27:49
  This is why I put this first and foremost, retirement for motor racing, period.
• 1:27:54
  Full stop.
• 1:27:55
  There are no disciplines.
• 1:27:56
  Just no more.
• 1:27:58
  Are you sad?
• 1:27:59
  Be heartbroken.
• 1:28:00
  I don't care what you've always cared about, Ricardo.
• 1:28:03
  I mean, it's not like he died or anything.
• 1:28:05
  He's just not gonna be racing anymore.
• 1:28:06
  He's still got his brand on Chante.
• 1:28:08
  What's that translate to?
• 1:28:09
  I'll pass.
• 1:28:12
  Yeah, I signed up for the newsletter and I kept getting like product information
• 1:28:15
  and stuff and it's all not my style.
• 1:28:17
  What do you think that says about him?
• 1:28:19
  What do you think it says about Alonzo?
• 1:28:21
  It should be making the same statement, and according to you, Hamilton too,
• 1:28:26
  there's truth in that statement as well.
• 1:28:28
  I mean, Daniel's getting up there in age.
• 1:28:31
  I don't think age has anything to do with it though.
• 1:28:33
  I think he just lost his passion for it.
• 1:28:35
  So he lost his passion for all racing then?
• 1:28:38
  Yeah.
• 1:28:38
  Yes.
• 1:28:38
  I can relate.
• 1:28:40
  I feel like I've kinda lost my passion for track driving.
• 1:28:45
  The last couple times I went and did it.
• 1:28:46
  I didn't really have any fun.
• 1:28:48
  I broke the car, you know, I didn't really get to go out on track much.
• 1:28:51
  I mean, when I say that the pumpkin spice latte is probably not gonna see the
• 1:28:54
  track, it's probably a fair statement.
• 1:28:56
  No, it's gonna see it when you pull up and you park.
• 1:28:59
  It's gonna see it when I go to an IMSA race or professional race or something,
• 1:29:02
  but it probably won't touch a track.
• 1:29:04
  Maybe parade.
• 1:29:05
  Talking about IMSA and sports car and endurance racing, we did go to VIR.
• 1:29:09
  It was interesting because as we know, VIR is one of the circuits, though
• 1:29:12
  it's big, and though it has all the safety and runoff and everything like
• 1:29:16
  that, the big cars, the LMPs and the LM DHS and the gtps do not run at VIR.
• 1:29:21
  So you had all the support classes.
• 1:29:23
  What a handful of LMP twos at best.
• 1:29:26
  But everything else was GT production based.
• 1:29:28
  So it was a good weekend.
• 1:29:29
  I mean, it's always good to be around the racetrack, right?
• 1:29:30
  It's always good to bump into people and conversations and,
• 1:29:33
  and everything like that.
• 1:29:34
  But as an aside, while all that was happening, there was news
• 1:29:38
  that Lamborghini is pulling out.
• 1:29:41
  They're the first to quit this new generation of hypercar, the
• 1:29:46
  gtps that are out there now.
• 1:29:47
  So I'm just sort of sad to see that.
• 1:29:49
  So I'm wondering if that's also Volkswagen moving some money around, because we
• 1:29:54
  are officially going to Formula One next year with Audi Formula One's not cheap.
• 1:29:58
  And if something's gotta get cut, well we'll cut this new
• 1:30:00
  program with Lamborghini.
• 1:30:01
  They haven't proved anything.
• 1:30:02
  They're not gotten anywhere yet.
• 1:30:04
  You know, because when you introduce a new sports car, it takes four or five years.
• 1:30:07
  To get to a point where it's viable.
• 1:30:09
  So that's what I think is the reason behind Lamborghini pulling
• 1:30:12
  out more than anything else.
• 1:30:14
  But it's a shame because it's been exciting to see all these other
• 1:30:17
  cars come to the surface in the upper echelon of sports car racing.
• 1:30:21
  I agree.
• 1:30:22
  It's been exciting to see all these other cars in hypercar.
• 1:30:24
  I had no idea Lamborghini had one.
• 1:30:27
  Oh yeah.
• 1:30:27
  It came out like in 24.
• 1:30:29
  But to my point, like I'm not shocked that they're pulling out because I'm
• 1:30:32
  probably not the only one who just didn't realize that they even had one in there.
• 1:30:35
  It's not like all the fanfare and pomp and circumstance that came with
• 1:30:39
  Ferrari coming back and like the PEOs are cool 'cause they're like
• 1:30:42
  different looking and, and everything.
• 1:30:44
  It's just Lamborghini was just kind, they just kinda got lost on the sauce.
• 1:30:47
  On top of that, we were finally able to check something off our bucket list.
• 1:30:51
  After many, many years of trying on this show, you can go back
• 1:30:54
  and check this out via Patreon.
• 1:30:56
  We finally got a chance to sit down and talk with Bobby Rahal.
• 1:31:00
  We specifically talked about his early days and his row to Lamas.
• 1:31:04
  That was a lot of fun.
• 1:31:05
  That was a great interview, and Bobby has promised to come back and talk
• 1:31:08
  to us about indie car racing, so that's gonna be really, really cool.
• 1:31:11
  And if you're a fan of Evening with a Legend where we recount the
• 1:31:16
  stories and the legends of lamont and stuff like that, we've got a couple
• 1:31:18
  really cool episodes coming up.
• 1:31:20
  We've got a special one on Veteran's Day, so pay attention to that very
• 1:31:23
  unique episode that's coming out.
• 1:31:25
  And then we've got David Hobbs coming in October, followed by
• 1:31:29
  Bob Varsha in November, and then I can't say who's coming after that.
• 1:31:33
  Those are the publicly announced ones that we got.
• 1:31:35
  You can still sign up for those.
• 1:31:36
  Just go to Motor inc podcast.net and go to Evening with the legend and you can
• 1:31:39
  sign up and be part of the live audience and get your questions answered on air or
• 1:31:44
  whatever it is when we have the legends.
• 1:31:46
  There to talk about lama.
• 1:31:47
  So that's really cool.
• 1:31:47
  And speaking of lama, I'm going to petite in a couple of weeks, gonna be at Road
• 1:31:52
  Atlanta for the IMSA season finale.
• 1:31:55
  I'll also be working the a CO booth.
• 1:31:57
  There's gonna be a autograph session with some legends that have been on the
• 1:32:01
  show and some that are coming later.
• 1:32:02
  And so I'll be part of that and it's gonna be a lot of fun.
• 1:32:05
  So if you're at Road Atlanta, stop by and see us at the A CO booth.
• 1:32:09
  That's gonna be up in the fan zone.
• 1:32:10
  So looking forward to the season closer.
• 1:32:12
  Before we move on, we need to discuss endurance racing a little bit more.
• 1:32:16
  Oh, okay.
• 1:32:17
  Because Franz Herman, AKA Max Tappin, he participated recently in a Berg
• 1:32:25
  Ring four hour endurance race in order to qualify for his GT three.
• 1:32:29
  License so that he can this weekend participate in a norlife endurance race.
• 1:32:35
  And let's just talk about how he did in that permit race.
• 1:32:39
  He was in a Cayman seven 18 GT four car is what he drove.
• 1:32:43
  However, they de-tuned him because of his quote, rookie standing.
• 1:32:48
  They de-tuned him 130 horsepower, holy cow.
• 1:32:52
  And added weight.
• 1:32:53
  He finished in his class seventh, he finished overall of I think 114 cars.
• 1:32:59
  27th.
• 1:33:00
  Wow.
• 1:33:01
  That's seemingly impressive.
• 1:33:03
  So if they, they hadn't basically neutered the car, he would've came in
• 1:33:08
  first and probably higher up the gym.
• 1:33:10
  I'm wondering.
• 1:33:10
  So it'll be very interesting to see how he does this weekend.
• 1:33:15
  In a non detuned car, which he'll be driving a Ferrari this weekend.
• 1:33:19
  All the cars that are available in I I racing, I get it.
• 1:33:22
  That's a, that's a premonition.
• 1:33:23
  Which funnily enough, his co-driver is someone who's
• 1:33:27
  coming up through sim racing.
• 1:33:29
  He's got like a his own league academy thing that he is doing.
• 1:33:33
  So his co-driver is gonna be some sim racer dude.
• 1:33:36
  So that'll be interesting to see how that goes.
• 1:33:38
  We'll put a pin in that for a minute 'cause we're gonna
• 1:33:40
  come back and talk about Max.
• 1:33:41
  We don't talk about virtual stuff that often, but I had to bring this up
• 1:33:45
  because Brad, if we go back far enough into our Utes, you know the old fours
• 1:33:50
  of leagues we used to run as part of GTM and stuff, it was pretty sad when
• 1:33:54
  I read and I confirmed through IGN that according to former turn, 10 employees,
• 1:34:00
  fours a motorsport has been canceled.
• 1:34:02
  That's it.
• 1:34:03
  The last one we got is the last one we're gonna get still.
• 1:34:05
  It is, I mean, I'm not surprised if you played the last one, fours
• 1:34:08
  a eight or whatever they call it.
• 1:34:10
  Fours a motor sport.
• 1:34:10
  The best one was seven, I thought six or no, six.
• 1:34:13
  Six was the best one.
• 1:34:15
  Yeah, fours a seven was good because just it, it added VIR
• 1:34:19
  fours A seven added VIR, right.
• 1:34:20
  Or was it six?
• 1:34:20
  There was a four pack, six added with the package.
• 1:34:22
  Yeah.
• 1:34:23
  And then it was, it was default and seven.
• 1:34:25
  Yeah, six was the best one.
• 1:34:26
  Six and seven weren't too different.
• 1:34:27
  It was like six service pack two.
• 1:34:29
  You know the typical Microsoft one?
• 1:34:31
  Yeah.
• 1:34:31
  Six.
• 1:34:31
  6.1. I mean, that's a shame.
• 1:34:33
  They diverted a lot of their attention to the Forza Horizon series, which is, you
• 1:34:37
  know, if you like that, that's, it's good.
• 1:34:39
  Which the new rumor for horizon six is that it'll be take place in Japan.
• 1:34:43
  Ooh.
• 1:34:43
  That will be cool.
• 1:34:44
  I would look for, but then that.
• 1:34:46
  Is gonna compete against games like Solar Crown and it's gonna go up against
• 1:34:51
  JDM Drift Master and all that kind of stuff, which I have copies of all that.
• 1:34:55
  I will say unfortunately, JDM Drift Master I've been disappointed
• 1:34:58
  with because much like the new Aceto Evo, it's not fully baked.
• 1:35:04
  You know, you rush to get it and you get it at a discount, which
• 1:35:06
  is great 'cause you pre-order it.
• 1:35:07
  But then they're like, so we have this year long release schedule
• 1:35:10
  and we're still developing the game and we're gonna give it to you in
• 1:35:12
  like little bunches every month.
• 1:35:14
  And I'm like, Ugh, I don't have time for this.
• 1:35:16
  Unfortunately.
• 1:35:17
  As a result of that, I know a set of Evo is suffering quite a bit.
• 1:35:20
  Every time they update Evo, I go back in and I'm like, they fix one
• 1:35:23
  thing and they break 12 others.
• 1:35:25
  It's sometimes it's absolutely unplayable and I'm like guys.
• 1:35:28
  Why didn't you just do what everybody else wanted you to do?
• 1:35:30
  Start with a set of Corsa or a CC and just mod it.
• 1:35:34
  There's been so many mods over the years.
• 1:35:36
  Just build it that way and then, you know, continue to, but
• 1:35:38
  they're trying to do a ground up.
• 1:35:39
  Recreate the world, I guess with it.
• 1:35:41
  So my recommendation is if you're looking for a racing game, maybe a little bit open
• 1:35:45
  world, a little bit of mixture, a little bit of everything, checks all the boxes.
• 1:35:48
  You can hark back to the days of Project Gotham Racing by picking
• 1:35:52
  up a copy of Car X Street.
• 1:35:54
  I have been enjoying that thoroughly.
• 1:35:56
  Is that on Xbox?
• 1:35:57
  Yeah.
• 1:35:58
  Yeah.
• 1:35:58
  Cross Compat with PC Mac to include, you can cross play with PlayStation and Xbox.
• 1:36:05
  Oh, it does have a, it does have a PlayStation version.
• 1:36:07
  Yeah.
• 1:36:08
  So now everybody can play together, which is pretty cool.
• 1:36:10
  Originally it wasn't built that way.
• 1:36:12
  It's been a lot of fun to play.
• 1:36:13
  The physics is good.
• 1:36:14
  There's a lot of really cool cars to pick from.
• 1:36:16
  And the graphics are good.
• 1:36:17
  Is it, is it a track driving or, I mean, it's got street in the name, so I'm
• 1:36:20
  assuming like midnight club kind of thing?
• 1:36:22
  Yeah.
• 1:36:23
  Okay.
• 1:36:23
  Like Project Gotham was too.
• 1:36:25
  Right.
• 1:36:25
  So it, it's got a blend of a bunch of different things and
• 1:36:27
  there's different versions.
• 1:36:28
  There's like CarX Drift and whatever else they have that they offer.
• 1:36:31
  And behind the scenes Microsoft is actually involved in that process.
• 1:36:35
  And that's why I keep saying if you want that project Gotham like experience, this
• 1:36:39
  is sort of the reimagined version of that.
• 1:36:42
  Yeah, I, I loved Project Gotham.
• 1:36:44
  That was one of my favorite racing games ever.
• 1:36:46
  Maybe pick up a copy of CarX Street.
• 1:36:48
  I think I will.
• 1:36:49
  So as we round out.
• 1:36:50
  To the regular racing news.
• 1:36:52
  I want a quick shout out from one of our listeners that sent us a, a note
• 1:36:56
  that they wanted us to read on air.
• 1:36:58
  And so Ash writes, she said that Alex Taylor, a Booneville Arkansas
• 1:37:03
  girl, recently broke a speed record hitting 235 miles an hour.
• 1:37:08
  Alex's already synonymous with speed and a passion in the drag racing world, and
• 1:37:12
  she has etched her name in the record books At the prestigious Bonneville
• 1:37:15
  Speed Week, the Arkansas Native shattered the existing C slash CCB GALT
• 1:37:21
  record, clocking in at an astounding average speed of 2 35 0.638 miles an
• 1:37:27
  hour, officially entering the coveted.
• 1:37:29
  200 mile an hour club.
• 1:37:30
  So very cool.
• 1:37:31
  Congrats.
• 1:37:32
  Ash is also from Arkansas, so she wanted to share that bit of news that was in
• 1:37:36
  the LOPA paper with us to read on air.
• 1:37:38
  So I thought that was really, really neat.
• 1:37:39
  Congratulations to her.
• 1:37:40
  But she would've went faster if she was driving a yang wing.
• 1:37:44
  Oh, you know, just wait till GD makes some salt flat tires.
• 1:37:48
  Those G GDI tires.
• 1:37:50
  GITI gt.
• 1:37:52
  I know GTI like, it's like Zt, but gt no G lee.
• 1:37:55
  They're all made by g lee.
• 1:37:56
  It's all G. Maybe the, maybe it actually is Zdi.
• 1:37:59
  Alright, formula one.
• 1:38:11
  We reserve the right to talk about formula One last, I don't wanna talk about
• 1:38:15
  every race that's happened over the last two months 'cause it's just too much.
• 1:38:18
  I don't even remember.
• 1:38:19
  Right.
• 1:38:19
  So I just wanna say Belgium was a nightmare.
• 1:38:22
  The race was delayed for over an hour.
• 1:38:25
  It was just WW.
• 1:38:26
  The whole thing was WW and that was just an annoying race to sit through.
• 1:38:30
  Budapest, what an amazing race between two people.
• 1:38:33
  The McLaren's watching their team strategy is mind-boggling.
• 1:38:38
  I don't understand what's going on over there.
• 1:38:40
  Can we just let Oscar score points so that Max doesn't, what is
• 1:38:43
  this BS between Lando and Oscar?
• 1:38:46
  Like it just needs to stop.
• 1:38:47
  They're already gonna win the manufacturer's championship for
• 1:38:49
  crying out loud, like Red Bull doesn't stand a chance there.
• 1:38:52
  At least bunch of other blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:38:55
  Races in between.
• 1:38:56
  So let's fast forward to Azure Bajan Max Power, right?
• 1:39:00
  We are going full bore, and I'm reading stuff about how people are saying that
• 1:39:04
  Max is now stacking the end part of the season to try to win the remaining
• 1:39:10
  races and take the championship away from the McLaren drivers.
• 1:39:14
  Full stop.
• 1:39:14
  It's been done before, and apparently if he wins every race from here on.
• 1:39:20
  The math works out.
• 1:39:21
  Do we think it's gonna happen?
• 1:39:22
  What's the over under on this?
• 1:39:25
  They've sorted that car out, then yes, it's probably possible.
• 1:39:30
  I don't have any love for any of the F1 teams really.
• 1:39:33
  Go Cadillac.
• 1:39:34
  We're gonna get to that go Audi.
• 1:39:36
  We'll get to that too.
• 1:39:37
  You know, I'm not a ti fso.
• 1:39:39
  My heart breaks for Ferrari and kind of secretly I want McLaren to
• 1:39:44
  win, but then I don't want McLaren to win 'cause I don't like the BS
• 1:39:48
  that they do amongst their own team.
• 1:39:50
  I'm kind of like rooting for Mercedes to kind of like come through as the
• 1:39:53
  underdog and just take all of it home.
• 1:39:55
  But that's not gonna happen either.
• 1:39:56
  So I can't put.
• 1:39:57
  My focus on any one team.
• 1:39:59
  'cause they kind of all suck.
• 1:40:01
  You know what I mean?
• 1:40:01
  Stake.
• 1:40:02
  Yeah, stake.
• 1:40:03
  Yeah.
• 1:40:03
  Yeah.
• 1:40:03
  Holgenburg is gonna take it all home.
• 1:40:05
  Uh, any rate Max for stopping Champion this year?
• 1:40:08
  Do you think it's gonna happen?
• 1:40:09
  He won every single race but won last year.
• 1:40:12
  He had a 14 second lead, I think 14, 15 seconds He ended at Azure Bajan.
• 1:40:18
  Yeah.
• 1:40:18
  And he started slowing down because that gap was bigger and I think
• 1:40:21
  he just wasn't pushing anymore.
• 1:40:23
  'cause there's no reason George Russell wasn't catching up
• 1:40:28
  the pit stop.
• 1:40:29
  Let's be real.
• 1:40:30
  Yeah, let's be real for a second.
• 1:40:31
  And he just, they told him, you know what, save the motor, save the car.
• 1:40:35
  Cruise the last couple laps.
• 1:40:37
  I mean, you could tell from the videos when they showed you, he
• 1:40:39
  is like short shifting and just cruising around and you're like, wow.
• 1:40:42
  And you still can't catch him.
• 1:40:43
  So if they've sorted out that car and it's back to levels that it was at
• 1:40:48
  last year, it's over for McLarney.
• 1:40:50
  It's over.
• 1:40:51
  Yeah, it's over.
• 1:40:52
  So this is what's gonna make the rest of this formula one season exciting
• 1:40:55
  because so far it's been a bit of a dud, but now it's getting interesting
• 1:40:58
  to see how this is gonna play out.
• 1:41:00
  And maybe it, it just comes down.
• 1:41:01
  I will argue there's what seven races left.
• 1:41:04
  I think we said Tanya, it's, it's too many 24 races in the year.
• 1:41:07
  It's insane.
• 1:41:08
  It's like every two weeks basically, right?
• 1:41:10
  I mean it's just, it's bonkers, but we'll see.
• 1:41:12
  I think it's gonna, it's gonna be interesting.
• 1:41:14
  But on a side note, speaking of listeners checking in with us, I got
• 1:41:18
  a call from Alabama, Jeff, one of our listeners, and he says to me, he goes,
• 1:41:23
  obviously you guys know more about this stuff than I do in his southern draw.
• 1:41:27
  He goes, I just got into F1 recently like everyone else.
• 1:41:31
  But he goes, wouldn't you say stopping is just one of the best drivers, hands down?
• 1:41:36
  And so I wanted to open that up to go back to what we were talking about with
• 1:41:40
  endurance, with this whole math game, him coming out and potentially winning
• 1:41:44
  the championship if everything goes in his favor, do we think for is in a class?
• 1:41:49
  Like a Schumacher or a Sena or somebody like that.
• 1:41:52
  Is he that level of driver?
• 1:41:54
  I think it's hard to answer that question.
• 1:41:57
  Is he a great driver?
• 1:41:58
  Is he an amazing driver?
• 1:41:59
  Yes.
• 1:42:00
  The reality is, I think some of it's the car, but you gotta be
• 1:42:02
  able to pilot that car and it, you gotta be able to pilot the car.
• 1:42:05
  Yes.
• 1:42:05
  But because they're not all driving, it's hard to make these
• 1:42:08
  comparisons 'cause they're not all driving the exact same car.
• 1:42:11
  Well, in Red Bull's case, the rumor on the street is Eno's car is basically
• 1:42:17
  specked identical to ver stop's car as almost like a backup to Ver stop's car.
• 1:42:21
  And it's reportedly undrivable.
• 1:42:23
  People used to say the same thing about Sena, where Senna's car was like, I don't
• 1:42:26
  know how the hell he drives this thing.
• 1:42:28
  You know what I mean?
• 1:42:28
  Is he at that level or is it just he's got a particular driving style?
• 1:42:32
  What is it?
• 1:42:33
  I mean, it could be, I am changing my opinion of him and I think it'll be
• 1:42:38
  very telling what he does in GT three.
• 1:42:42
  Because if he's dominating there, then he is definitely one of the best probably.
• 1:42:48
  I think he's matured a lot from the arrogant asshole he was when he
• 1:42:52
  first started out in Formula One.
• 1:42:54
  And he's a father now, right?
• 1:42:55
  Technically now he's a father, yes.
• 1:42:56
  But he started maturing even before then.
• 1:42:58
  But maybe that's 'cause he kind of had a step kid in Kelly's
• 1:43:02
  first daughter, Kelly pk.
• 1:43:04
  So maybe he was already changing there.
• 1:43:06
  He's very consistent.
• 1:43:08
  He's a very consistent driver hitting the mark.
• 1:43:11
  Laugh after lap, after lap, after lap.
• 1:43:14
  So that I racing and maybe it is, I mean, someone else who tends to
• 1:43:17
  be that consistent also is Ptri.
• 1:43:20
  So I'd really like to see him if it comes down between him and
• 1:43:23
  Norris, I'd like to see him win the World Championship for sure.
• 1:43:27
  'cause I think he is probably the stronger driver.
• 1:43:30
  But I mean, Sapin, he's definitely something so.
• 1:43:34
  It'll be interesting to see if he wins this year.
• 1:43:36
  And to your point, if he does something in sports, car and endurance
• 1:43:39
  racing, you know, let's say he gets a couple other championships of
• 1:43:42
  different disciplines under his belt.
• 1:43:44
  I think when we jump forward 10 years and look back, we're gonna go over stop.
• 1:43:48
  And he might not have eight world titles in Formula One like Lewis was
• 1:43:51
  trying to get to, or like Schumacher had seven and you know, all that.
• 1:43:55
  But I think we're gonna regard him at a similar level as like a Jimmy Clark
• 1:43:58
  or a Sena or some of those, some of the greats where we didn't recognize
• 1:44:03
  it at the time, but now when we look back, we're gonna be like, holy heck,
• 1:44:06
  his contract I think goes till 2028.
• 1:44:08
  So if he wins this and he wins the next.
• 1:44:11
  Three seasons, he would have eight world championships.
• 1:44:14
  He would, but he also, to me, he needs to win Lama because a lot of
• 1:44:18
  those old time Formula One champions, not Sena, but a lot of, you know,
• 1:44:22
  the Andrettis, the whatevers, they went off and did other big races.
• 1:44:27
  He's gonna go do other things he wants to do.
• 1:44:28
  He's all this GT three stuff he's doing is 'cause he wants to do the
• 1:44:31
  24 hours of the nerve burger ring.
• 1:44:33
  Yeah.
• 1:44:33
  Once you do that, I'm sure Lamont's probably isn't that far behind.
• 1:44:37
  Why wouldn't he?
• 1:44:38
  24 hours of Lamont carries more weight, you know, on your resume
• 1:44:41
  than 24 hours of the ring does.
• 1:44:42
  No offense to the ring.
• 1:44:43
  'cause it's an awesome thing.
• 1:44:44
  Mm. But in the stratosphere, it's like the Indie 500 Monaco
• 1:44:47
  and Lama or the big three.
• 1:44:49
  Right.
• 1:44:49
  They're the triple crown.
• 1:44:50
  Which is funny because Lamont gets all the attention, but the Nors life is.
• 1:44:55
  10,000 times more difficult.
• 1:44:56
  It is, and it's also 10,000 more times difficult to televise.
• 1:45:00
  Well, and that's why it doesn't get the hype it gets, but it's more impressive.
• 1:45:03
  Like if he won first time going to the basically nerve berg ring Yeah.
• 1:45:07
  Kind of deal.
• 1:45:08
  And then he like, were to win the 24 hours.
• 1:45:11
  Oh my God.
• 1:45:11
  He wants to go there because the ring is available in iRacing and Lama is not.
• 1:45:16
  So that's, that's why, that's what it's all about.
• 1:45:18
  The other thing about him that I'm liking more is kind of like
• 1:45:21
  paying a little bit more attention and learning more about him.
• 1:45:24
  Like he really does seem to enjoy all the racing in all the different kinds.
• 1:45:29
  Like I watched that one video where he made the negative comment about front
• 1:45:32
  wheel drive cars, but like he was going out test driving the Mustang or all this
• 1:45:36
  stuff and he, he got on track in his Mustang for like the first time and,
• 1:45:40
  and it starts like raining and I mean he is got complete control of this.
• 1:45:44
  Monster, whatever, r blah, blah, blah.
• 1:45:47
  Huge beast Mustang thing that he was driving and it's like, he
• 1:45:51
  seems like he can maybe get into any car and learn it quickly.
• 1:45:55
  Yeah.
• 1:45:55
  Like Sena would do.
• 1:45:56
  Yeah.
• 1:45:56
  The same kind of thing.
• 1:45:57
  I don't know.
• 1:45:58
  I'm, I'm hopeful.
• 1:45:59
  I, I too am changing my opinion, although secretly like you, I'm sort of rooting
• 1:46:03
  for Oscar and then sadly I'm crying into my Cheerios because of Ferrari.
• 1:46:08
  I mean, what a pathetic.
• 1:46:09
  Ours are terrible.
• 1:46:11
  They're so bad.
• 1:46:13
  Everybody else is doing two 15 with the DRS Open and Ferrari's like 2 0 4.
• 1:46:18
  2 0 4 maybe.
• 1:46:20
  Eh.
• 1:46:21
  And then it's like the DRS opens and then they go backwards, 180 balls an
• 1:46:25
  hour and it's, it's like, it's awful.
• 1:46:28
  What a mess.
• 1:46:29
  God.
• 1:46:29
  Ferrari, I think they can know how to build a formula car.
• 1:46:32
  So as we wrap up Formula One, it will be mentioned.
• 1:46:35
  Audi, we still don't know.
• 1:46:36
  Well, we do know, but I'm like, I'm really disappointed with the driver choices.
• 1:46:39
  Like with Audi, that's gonna be a wash next year.
• 1:46:42
  Did they say who?
• 1:46:44
  I don't remember.
• 1:46:44
  Who's the second driver?
• 1:46:45
  Holgenburg and I don't know.
• 1:46:47
  Weren't they gonna bring back Schumacher?
• 1:46:49
  I don't think they announced the second driver yet.
• 1:46:51
  All we know is it's Hulk converter.
• 1:46:52
  I thought they did and it was some other German or something
• 1:46:54
  like that, or whatever.
• 1:46:55
  Anyway, it doesn't matter.
• 1:46:56
  My point is we're gonna go full mullet with Cadillac.
• 1:46:59
  We're bringing back BOTAs.
• 1:47:01
  That's gonna be awesome.
• 1:47:03
  BOTAs with the bow tie.
• 1:47:04
  Come on.
• 1:47:05
  And then Perez, we're gonna bring back Perez to run with ca. What
• 1:47:08
  do we think about this team up?
• 1:47:10
  Some people would say like, oh, they should be putting the rookies
• 1:47:13
  in, you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:47:15
  But like, honestly, you have a brand new team.
• 1:47:17
  The quickest way to get up to speed is two veteran drivers.
• 1:47:21
  And who, other than, I guess Alonzo didn't wanna move, so
• 1:47:27
  Strolls paying him too much.
• 1:47:29
  So he's, he's holding on for that newie, he's waiting
• 1:47:32
  Uhhuh for that car from Newie.
• 1:47:34
  Yeah.
• 1:47:34
  So he is sticking there.
• 1:47:36
  People poo poo him BOTAs.
• 1:47:38
  But like he did well in Mercedes and maybe you could argue maybe it was the car.
• 1:47:42
  I don't know.
• 1:47:43
  He has a decent record and I mean Perez was fine when he was in
• 1:47:47
  the Red Bull for the most part.
• 1:47:49
  So there are two veteran seasoned drivers that know what's going on
• 1:47:53
  and they can help bring the Cadillac team who are all gonna be rookies.
• 1:47:56
  They can help build that team out and then eventually they'll get replaced.
• 1:48:00
  But we'll see how it goes.
• 1:48:01
  To Tanya's point, like both of those drivers, even though they didn't
• 1:48:05
  win the championships, they came from championship winning teams.
• 1:48:09
  Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:48:09
  BOTAs was no slouch when he was at Alpha Romeo either.
• 1:48:12
  I mean, salur, whatever was right.
• 1:48:13
  So just to make sure I got my facts straight, Cadillac powered by Ferrari.
• 1:48:19
  I think so.
• 1:48:20
  At least until they switch motors right Beginning.
• 1:48:22
  Yeah.
• 1:48:23
  Man.
• 1:48:23
  How weird is that gonna be?
• 1:48:24
  They might wanna rethink that.
• 1:48:26
  Can they bolt a carburetor on it so it's it's gonna be a tester.
• 1:48:33
  Well, so here's the thing.
• 1:48:34
  A lot of the problems with the Ferrari, I don't know if they're
• 1:48:37
  the motor, because a lot of things that you can read, they blame.
• 1:48:41
  Maybe this sounds silly.
• 1:48:42
  Also, it's not because if they really have a bunch of problems with the
• 1:48:46
  braking system, if you're wasting time, early braking and not going in
• 1:48:51
  with good entry and then exit speed, you're never gonna hit the same top.
• 1:48:55
  You just neutered yourself every time you come out of a corner.
• 1:48:57
  And then if you're fighting the car, which allegedly is happening with Hamilton,
• 1:49:01
  because these, I don't know, his style of braking is not compatible with whatever
• 1:49:05
  the hell is going on with the Ferrari.
• 1:49:06
  If this is all true.
• 1:49:09
  Okay.
• 1:49:10
  Allegedly then he's wasting so much time.
• 1:49:12
  He's constantly trying to counters steer the car because it's
• 1:49:15
  twitchy af through every corner.
• 1:49:17
  And it's like, well how can you be competitive then?
• 1:49:19
  You're inherently always slow.
• 1:49:21
  So maybe Cadillac stands a chance if Cadillac's doing Arrow Cadillac's doing
• 1:49:25
  suspension, brake, all this stuff, and then they just have the power plant.
• 1:49:28
  Maybe the power plant's decent and the rest of the car is trash.
• 1:49:31
  I feel as though Cadillac stands the same chance in its first year that host does.
• 1:49:36
  If they're on the podium, go.
• 1:49:38
  Yeah, right.
• 1:49:38
  Okay.
• 1:49:38
  That's gonna be impressive.
• 1:49:40
  Then it's really gonna be like Ferrari, what the, are you people doing?
• 1:49:43
  Right.
• 1:49:43
  'cause clearly the motor's fine.
• 1:49:46
  Well, we'll just have to wait and see.
• 1:49:48
  But I'm excited for the rest of the season.
• 1:49:50
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  And to all the fans, friends and family who support Grand touring motor sports,
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  as well as the Motoring podcast network.
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  Without you, none of this would be possible.
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  First of all, before I start, how do I sound?
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  You sound like always sound like a face for radio.
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  Your old car had a theme song.
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  It was all that heavy metal stuff.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  What's, what's pumpkin spices theme song?
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  I mean, it's gotta be Taylor Swift.
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  Is that the one about the unicorns or whatever?
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  Am I Starbucks lovers?
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  I, I, I, I mean, pumpkin spice is a basic thing.
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  So like Taylor Swift is pretty basic, so you can cut that out.
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  Eric, you can put a beep.
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  Yeah.
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  It's gonna be a quack.
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  Quack.
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  It's what is gonna be exactly.
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  Quack.
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  Quack.
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  No put put like a put like a Volkswagen horn Sound uhhuh.
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  Yeah.
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  Just kidding.
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  Chris, her song's not called that, but that's what it sounds
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  like when she's singing it.
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  Yeah.
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  That's the cassette.
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  We're gonna jam in the headset.
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  On repeat, it's F by magic.
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  Nothing to be sorry for Leslie.
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  Who cares?
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  I didn't prepare.
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  So
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  different than any of the 59 previous drive-throughs in any way, shape, or form.
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  Hey, now that's not true.
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  'cause there were sometimes I actually took notes.
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  I went through each link, wrote down notes, and I had talking points and
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  it didn't make a fucking difference.
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  So I said, screw.
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  Yeah, those are the worst ones we ever did.
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  Those are the terrible episodes because they, they come across as scripted, right?
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