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Sons 2 The Grave Born Sons Die Sons Produced By Lynn Stoltz · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: your exploration hello and good morning how are you doing.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning doing fine thank you is.
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  Speaker 1: This lynn yes it is excellent for some reason the
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  Speaker 1: split second in time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah i phoned it said that you were doing a
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  Speaker 2: podcast i think Yeah, you know how it is.
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  Speaker 1: Technology, when you've got a powerful message like you've got
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  Speaker 1: with sons to the grave, oh my God, there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be everything out there in the universe that's going
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  Speaker 1: to stop you from getting that word out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. So we've persevered through it. And at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, we've been blessed. It's a blessing.
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  Speaker 1: It is coming at such an amazing time. And there's
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  Speaker 1: so many things that we could cover in one moment.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, is that it reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of a modern day scared straight. And I want
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  Speaker 1: every person to watch this because. There's so much in this.
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  Speaker 1: And really, the one thing that stood out the most
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  Speaker 1: was the power of choice. What is your choice in
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  Speaker 1: this moment of now? Because in two seconds, it can
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  Speaker 1: all change.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And that's what we try to do.
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  Speaker 2: We try to not make it about. blame and all
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  Speaker 2: the excuses in the world that are used, some valid,
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  Speaker 2: some not valid. But we all have the choice to make.
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  Speaker 2: And we tried to tell a story of why Marcus
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  Speaker 2: in this case, Marcus Jennings.
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  Speaker 1: That's Marcus, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, made the choice he made. It's not you can't
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  Speaker 2: just say, oh, he's a bad guy, or you have
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  Speaker 2: to understand circumstances. As Danny Glover said, when I looked
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  Speaker 2: at it, you gave understanding to both sides, both the good.
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  Speaker 3: And the bad, if you want to label it that way.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what we tried to do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how are you doing spiritually and connected on the inside?
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  Speaker 1: Because when you take a story like this, it has
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  Speaker 1: got to get inside every breath you take and every
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  Speaker 1: move you're making.
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  Speaker 2: It does. I'm glad that is a good question. My
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  Speaker 2: faith guides me through everything that I do from the
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  Speaker 2: morning when I wake up till I go to sleep
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  Speaker 2: at night with my prayers. And sometimes it takes a
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  Speaker 2: little longer to understand what has been brought to you.
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  Speaker 2: But we are humbled, totally humbled by the response to
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  Speaker 2: this film, the good and the bad of the choices made.
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  Speaker 2: And there were some bad choices made, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you watch this film. But my faith guides me
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  Speaker 2: through everything. And if something feels wrong from a faith
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  Speaker 2: point of view, not wrong in a point of I
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  Speaker 2: don't have to agree with it because we all don't
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  Speaker 2: agree on everything, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: It has to hit my heart or I can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I don't want listeners and viewers to do
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  Speaker 1: is to tune out when they feel uncomfortable. No, they
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  Speaker 1: need to work their way through the discomfort and really
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  Speaker 1: get the full story here.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I try. That's what I try to
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  Speaker 2: do in anything that I write. I think you want
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  Speaker 2: to see a little bit of yourself and even the
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  Speaker 2: parts that we don't like. In our alone time, when
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at ourselves and looking deeply, thing about ourselves
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  Speaker 2: we go okay I should have changed or I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to try and do something and I want people to
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  Speaker 2: look at that and say okay I love this character
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  Speaker 2: but yep that character could have done better you don't
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  Speaker 2: give up on the character and walk away and shut
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  Speaker 2: the movie off you go I'm going to follow this
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  Speaker 2: through and hope that this person comes out of it
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  Speaker 2: whatever they're into whatever the mess or whatever their questions
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  Speaker 2: are and that's what we try to do we take
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  Speaker 2: the heart out stomp on it a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: put it.
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  Speaker 1: Back in One of the things that you did was
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  Speaker 1: you inspired me, I mean, a lot. I mean, a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I went into my own research and I tried to
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  Speaker 1: figure out ways that why are people doing what they're
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  Speaker 1: doing through the power of choice? And the one thing
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of psychologists pointed to was because people
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  Speaker 1: aren't thinking about the consequences. They're only thinking about what
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  Speaker 1: they feel like is wrong now, but they're not seeing
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  Speaker 1: life after the moment.
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  Speaker 2: You're exactly right. And I believe what we tried to do,
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  Speaker 2: and I believe in my heart, that this comes no matter,
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  Speaker 2: and if you've seen the show, obviously you have, and
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  Speaker 2: you know that bridge is very symbolic. From the rich
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  Speaker 2: on one side, the poor on the other. I say
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  Speaker 2: it that way because it makes it blunt. Yeah. This
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  Speaker 2: young man, as all young men, most young men, they
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  Speaker 2: can make the same mistakes as the person on the
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  Speaker 2: other side of the bridge who have all the advantages
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  Speaker 2: in the world. And we're looking at that right now, actually,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at what's going on with the Cornell situation.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to say, oh, they're from that side
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  Speaker 2: of the street. And I tried to make that clear.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure you saw that from one of the
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  Speaker 2: scenes from the people having a lavish Christmas party on
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  Speaker 2: the one side of the bridge in their conversation. And
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  Speaker 2: that's a conversation, I'm sure, being in the business that
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  Speaker 2: you're in. You've heard that conversation before. You've been in
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  Speaker 2: a situation where that's the conversation. And that's exactly what
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  Speaker 2: we try to do.
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  Speaker 3: These are young men.
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  Speaker 2: And the ones on the less looked after side of
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  Speaker 2: the bridge don't get the same opportunities. made a choice
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  Speaker 2: he had everything going for him he had a mother
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  Speaker 2: who moved from a middle class neighborhood to a poorer
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  Speaker 2: neighborhood so that he could go to the school he
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  Speaker 2: needed to go to for his basketball so he had
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  Speaker 2: all the advantages but he got caught up in his
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  Speaker 2: own 17 year old mind a young man 17 who
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  Speaker 2: had everything going and I think we should make clear
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  Speaker 2: that they don't understand they don't think like you say
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  Speaker 2: about consequences They're into this mess as he was willing
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  Speaker 2: me into this association. You can't just walk up to
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  Speaker 2: these people and go, I'm out. I'm done. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: on to my better life now. They don't let that happen.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to think before you go in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Lynn, the one thing that I keep bumping into
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  Speaker 1: when I go to these high schools and talk with
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  Speaker 1: these students is that they've got this attitude. And I
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  Speaker 1: wish that they would just drop it and quit and
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  Speaker 1: quit walking with it. We live only once. And it's like, no,
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  Speaker 1: you got to stop that. Because I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: really look at that one time, dude, that you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's so much more to life than, than you'd seen.
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  Speaker 1: I only live once. I'm going to do what I
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  Speaker 1: want once. And it's like, Oh my God. And because,
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  Speaker 1: because Marcus is somebody that we see in our papers
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  Speaker 1: almost every day. And, and it's like, and, and why,
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  Speaker 1: why does it have to take place? And what are
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  Speaker 1: we going to do about it as a community?
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  Speaker 2: And we tried to stress the community part of it.
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  Speaker 2: Community is very important. And I think if you see
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  Speaker 2: the young.
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  Speaker 3: Boys, the little ones, the 8-year-old, 10-year-olds.
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  Speaker 2: That the coach, who was a blessing in this film
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  Speaker 2: and done so well by Greg Allen Williams, no one
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  Speaker 2: could have done it better. You saw how he talked
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  Speaker 2: to them and how their attitude is the same as
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  Speaker 2: their older brothers, as we showed, like, well, they're okay,
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  Speaker 2: they're okay, they're okay until they're 18 and dead on
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  Speaker 2: the street. Maybe that's what people are going for. We're
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  Speaker 2: not going past being 18. But these young boys, you
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  Speaker 2: have to give them something and make them follow the rules.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what the coach in this film
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  Speaker 2: started to do and tried to do. And the sequel
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  Speaker 2: that we're doing, Redemption, which I think is a good
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  Speaker 2: name for it, we look at the question, is redemption
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  Speaker 2: automatically given or is it earned?
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  Speaker 3: And that's where it starts.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, my heart is saying, if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to do redemption, you've got to do resurrection. Somebody who
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  Speaker 1: did make a bad choice, learned from it, and went
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  Speaker 1: out and taught a new walking way for others so
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have to walk through that.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we've done. That's the script we've written.
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  Speaker 2: And we have an amazing, amazing cast. And we're very
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  Speaker 2: happy to have an iconic hip-hop artist going to do
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  Speaker 2: a cameo for us, but I can't tell you who
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  Speaker 2: it is right now.
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  Speaker 1: The name of the movie, Sons, the number two.
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  Speaker 1: Sons to the Grave. We'll be right back with Lynn Stoltz.
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  Speaker 1: The name of the movie, Sons to the Grave, the
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  Speaker 1: number two, don't spell it, put it up there as
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  Speaker 1: the number two. Sons to the Grave. We are back
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  Speaker 1: with Lynn Stoltz. One of the things that you brought up, Lynn,
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  Speaker 1: that really opened up my heart, and I think people
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  Speaker 1: would be angry at me if I didn't bring it up,
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  Speaker 1: is you talk about those separating walls that so many
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  Speaker 1: of these cities have, where they'll put like even a
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  Speaker 1: city street through a neighborhood and you've got this side
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  Speaker 1: versus that side. Well, here in Charlotte, this has been
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  Speaker 1: a big battle. I-77, now they want to put a
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  Speaker 1: toll road and they want to double-decker it, which means
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  Speaker 1: to me, in my heart, you're putting up a wall.
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  Speaker 1: It's the very wall that separated this community in the
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  Speaker 1: first place, and now we can't see them? You know
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen? People are going to want to
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  Speaker 1: go through that wall and go play basketball over there,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to be right into this Marcus situation. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. As you saw in the film when they talked
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  Speaker 2: about classes of people, which really is a horrifically and
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  Speaker 2: when they said well we should leave them alone they
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  Speaker 2: want to be left alone let's leave them with their
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  Speaker 2: own kind what is your own kind you're all we're
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  Speaker 2: all human beings are all in the same community some
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  Speaker 2: people make a little more money than others make a
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  Speaker 2: little more money that doesn't mean you're immune from any
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  Speaker 2: of this and also we have to start being community
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  Speaker 2: minded and we're comfortable with each other where you have
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  Speaker 2: to reach out I think that the business people in
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  Speaker 2: the other side if you want to put it that
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  Speaker 2: way the corporations I think We live on all of
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  Speaker 2: the community.
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  Speaker 1: I always invite people to try to, if you really
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  Speaker 1: want to go do something and get a good picture
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  Speaker 1: of your community, go walk through a grocery store. And
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  Speaker 1: I work at one, and I know what's coming through there.
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  Speaker 1: And when those kids are coming down off their drugs
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  Speaker 1: and their highs, they at least go to a grocery
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  Speaker 1: store and try to walk it off. And so then
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  Speaker 1: what we'll do is we'll walk with them. Just talk
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  Speaker 1: to them. Just talk to them. And just so that
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  Speaker 1: they know that they're not alone in that moment of
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  Speaker 1: where things are just coming down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree. We tried to do that
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  Speaker 2: with the detective played by Darren DeWitt Henson, who is outstanding, outstanding,
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  Speaker 2: as always, actually. He never fails. I think there's this thing,
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  Speaker 2: there's a thing if people do not want to get
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  Speaker 2: involved or they think that this is... and I always
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  Speaker 2: say not that you can't support the community as it
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  Speaker 2: is you should support it but we have to start
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  Speaker 2: when these kids are young when they're little when they're
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  Speaker 2: growing up amongst all this we have to start somewhere
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  Speaker 2: so start there be there for the 18 19 17
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  Speaker 2: year old boys and girls mostly men but well but
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  Speaker 2: you got to start young you got to give them
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  Speaker 2: options you got to give them people to speak to
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  Speaker 2: them that they could look up to not just basketball
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  Speaker 2: players because we know they're not all going to be
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  Speaker 2: basketball players like what sort of one percent right you
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  Speaker 2: know make your restaurants go go be a chef go
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  Speaker 2: be an electrician go be a something we need to
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  Speaker 2: we need to go into community centers and and talk
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  Speaker 2: to these people so that they go yeah yeah yeah
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  Speaker 2: You're not all going to be football players or basketball
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  Speaker 2: players or hip-hop artists, but there are other jobs in
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  Speaker 2: the world, and I think we have to give them training.
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  Speaker 2: We have to talk to them about how they should
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  Speaker 2: be doing things and not always looking at their older
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  Speaker 2: brothers to follow in their footsteps because it's usually not
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  Speaker 2: a good path to take.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm a perfect example of if I would have
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  Speaker 1: fallen in my brother's footsteps, followed him, I'd be in
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  Speaker 1: jail right now. Because I know where he went. So
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's why this really does have a powerful mark
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  Speaker 1: in my heart. It's like, ah, ah. Don't look to
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  Speaker 1: those that you think are the inspiration. You could be
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  Speaker 1: on your way to the very thing that they went through.
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  Speaker 2: But I think in many cases they look to those
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  Speaker 2: people because those are there, they're in their lives, and
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  Speaker 2: there's no one else there. We have to provide those people.
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  Speaker 2: We have to provide community centers that are open. We
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  Speaker 2: have to provide education about jobs that you may want
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  Speaker 2: or at least talk you through it. They just go home,
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  Speaker 2: and what they have is their older brothers and older sisters.
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  Speaker 2: That's all they have.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. Yeah, that's their mom and dad
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  Speaker 1: in many cases. I mean, that's who that's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if grandma can't be there, well, then it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be my older brother. You know, that's just the way
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  Speaker 1: of the world.
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  Speaker 2: It is absolutely the way of the world. Also, the pastors,
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  Speaker 2: I've talked to many before we did Sons. They want
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  Speaker 2: to help. They want to be there. They want to help.
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  Speaker 2: We should allow them to, and we should support that
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  Speaker 2: as a community. We support it financially. It takes dollars
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  Speaker 2: and cents. You can't expect them to go somewhere every
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  Speaker 2: day or every week, every month even. Not that they
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  Speaker 2: need to be paid, but you need money to function
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  Speaker 2: and make these programs work, and we tend not to
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  Speaker 2: give it to them.
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  Speaker 1: And here's my challenge for businesses. Get the businesses involved, too.
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  Speaker 1: Give your employees some sort of credit where they can
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  Speaker 1: take off for an hour or two to go be
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  Speaker 1: in these communities and be a leader. Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: go be somebody who works on a house, who works
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  Speaker 1: with lumber or works on piping or electrical. I wish
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  Speaker 1: these businesses would give employees credit or a day off
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  Speaker 1: if they could just go be with these young adults
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  Speaker 1: or even kids.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. I agree.
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  Speaker 3: That would be an amazing plan.
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  Speaker 2: That would be an amazing plan. But we have to
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  Speaker 2: start somewhere. And I think the schools are there and
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  Speaker 2: the structure is there. We have to go into the schools.
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  Speaker 2: We're having a bad time in the schools right now.
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  Speaker 2: And I know you're having it in your city as well,
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  Speaker 2: where the teachers have– I'm not a teacher, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: speaking for what is me. around doing a movie on bullying,
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  Speaker 2: and bullying is off the chart, out of control. Absolutely
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  Speaker 2: out of control. But the teachers do not have the
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  Speaker 2: power anymore that they used to have, and the students,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, wouldn't listen. They don't listen. So
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  Speaker 2: you have to take them out of the school. As
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  Speaker 2: we said in the film, again, as you saw, bullying.
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  Speaker 2: If someone sets a school on fire one day, the next,
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  Speaker 2: they put them in another school, but in a bad area.
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  Speaker 2: So they're homeschooled, made up of a bunch of people
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  Speaker 2: who run the school.
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  Speaker 1: I love the way that the media is really jumping
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  Speaker 1: onto what you're doing because you can, the outreach for
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  Speaker 1: you has been so, you inspire me. You've got Apple Plus,
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  Speaker 1: you've got Amazon Prime, you've got Tubi. I mean, you've
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  Speaker 1: got so many people helping you out to get this
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  Speaker 1: word into the hearts of those that are going to,
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  Speaker 1: I think what they're going to do, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: get into the show in the beginning accidentally. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to go, oh, what's this? And then they're going to
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  Speaker 1: get in and then word of mouth is going to
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  Speaker 1: carry this to the next level.
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  Speaker 2: I really appreciate you saying that. Like I said, the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing has been humbling. That's the only word I
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  Speaker 2: can come up with. It's been humbling. I pray to
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  Speaker 2: God that everybody watches the films that we do because
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  Speaker 2: we try to do the everyday thing so that you,
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  Speaker 2: the characters, you like these characters, you want to see
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  Speaker 2: them succeed, but you also give grace when they don't.
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  Speaker 2: You don't turn away. You don't walk away forever. You
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  Speaker 2: give grace. And I hope you take away from this film.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to come back to this show anytime in
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  Speaker 1: the future. I love your word. I love your message.
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  Speaker 1: And as you said, you're working on projects all the time. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's don't make this a once-a-year thing. Let's go ahead
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  Speaker 1: and make this happen all the time then.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, and I'd love to come back.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent. Well, you be brilliant today, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Be blessed.