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BONUS EPISODE | The Megyn Kelly Show · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 3: Hey, everyone on Megan Kelly. Welcome to The Megan Kelly
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  Speaker 3: Show and the Conclusion of Fraud. I have a story
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  Speaker 3: that I need to share with you. It's one I've
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  Speaker 3: never told publicly before, and to do it right, it
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  Speaker 3: took virtually my entire family on my husband's side. January
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  Speaker 3: twenty two, twenty twenty one, much of the world is
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  Speaker 3: still shut down due to COVID. Our family still living
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  Speaker 3: in Manhattan and getting ready to travel south for the
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  Speaker 3: weekend for my nephew's wedding. As I pack up that Friday,
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  Speaker 3: my husband Doug calls, relaying that he has just heard
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  Speaker 3: from his then eighty four year old mother, Jackie in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 3: She's received a disturbing phone call from her daughter, Diane.
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  Speaker 3: Diane and her partner Brad are oyster fishermen on Keith Cod.
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  Speaker 5: She was hysterical, sobbing and couldn't complete a full sentence,
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  Speaker 5: but she said that she was in jail on a
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  Speaker 5: drunk driving charge and that I needed to get talked
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  Speaker 5: to somebody. That she had a telephone number and they
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  Speaker 5: were going to talk to me about getting bail. And
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  Speaker 5: this was on a Friday, which I don't know anyway.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know much of anything, but I kept asking
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  Speaker 5: her if she was all right, and I did. I
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  Speaker 5: just didn't know what to do, and she just said,
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  Speaker 5: I'm still scared. I'm terrified. And I asked her where
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  Speaker 5: Brad was and she said, oh, well, he's he's in
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  Speaker 5: jail too, But she said, I don't really have time.
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  Speaker 5: They're not giving me long to talk. You need to
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  Speaker 5: call this number.
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  Speaker 4: So what did you do next?
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  Speaker 5: I called the number and he told me that the
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  Speaker 5: court was closed on Friday, and it was COVID, so
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  Speaker 5: they had limited times when you could get in. And
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  Speaker 5: he told me to call this lawyer whose name I
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  Speaker 5: can't remember, and he would walk me through getting the
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  Speaker 5: bail money.
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  Speaker 3: So this was the support that you were talking to,
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  Speaker 3: saying you need to talk to a lawyer. Here's a
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  Speaker 3: number you can call. Yes, And then did you call
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  Speaker 3: the lawyer?
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  Speaker 5: I did. I asked him, why is she there on
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  Speaker 5: a drunk driving charge when he doesn't draw once she
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  Speaker 5: doesn't drink, and he said, well, she told me she
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  Speaker 5: didn't drink, and I believed her. So I've sent off
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  Speaker 5: a talk screen or you know, I've sent off for
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  Speaker 5: a blood test. I didn't know why Brad was and
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  Speaker 5: at once either the court told me or the lawyer
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  Speaker 5: told that Brad was in because he assaulted a policeman
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  Speaker 5: at the scene of the accident.
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  Speaker 3: The lawyer told Jackie the bail for both of them
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  Speaker 3: was seventeen thousand bucks.
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  Speaker 5: I said, well, I just don't have that kind of
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  Speaker 5: cash to I don't have that kind of money to
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  Speaker 5: give you. I said, I'm going to have I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to call my son.
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  Speaker 3: And she did, and that's where her son, my husband
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  Speaker 3: Doug Brunt comes in.
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  Speaker 6: I was in the car and my mom called and
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  Speaker 6: she was distressed and agitated and frustrated, saying that she
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  Speaker 6: had just goten the phone with Diane and Diane had
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  Speaker 6: been in a car accident. She broke her nose, and
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  Speaker 6: she was hysterically bawling from basically the holding cell at
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  Speaker 6: the jail on Cape Cod, and that she had this
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  Speaker 6: one phone call to make. So she had called my mom,
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  Speaker 6: but she needed to be bailed out. Both she and
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  Speaker 6: Brad had been arrested. So I'm asking my mom a
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  Speaker 6: bunch of questions, you know, what the heck happened, And
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  Speaker 6: she was telling me as best she could because it
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  Speaker 6: was a short phone call. And apparently Diane was sobbing
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  Speaker 6: through her broken nose about what had happened. But in short,
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  Speaker 6: a car accident. She broke her nose in a car accident.
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  Speaker 6: They the police came. They thought that she had been
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  Speaker 6: drinking and driving. The police got aggressive with Diane. In
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  Speaker 6: response to that, Brad got aggressive with the police to
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  Speaker 6: defend Diane, and they arrested them both, and so they're
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  Speaker 6: now in jail in Cape Cod. Diane gave my mom
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  Speaker 6: this phone number to call who was her court appointed lawyer.
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  Speaker 6: And my mom had already spoken with this lawyer. She
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  Speaker 6: gives me the number, saying it's very confusing. You know,
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  Speaker 6: all of this was happening during COVID, and so he
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  Speaker 6: had these reasons why the court was about to close.
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  Speaker 6: It was a Friday afternoon. It closes early on Fridays
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  Speaker 6: now due to COVID. Nobody's even in there due to COVID,
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  Speaker 6: and we need to rush seventeen thousand dollars over to
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  Speaker 6: the court or else. Dian and Brad are going to
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  Speaker 6: spend the full weekend in jail, and you know everything's
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  Speaker 6: going to shut down over the weekend. So they're in
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  Speaker 6: there unless we can somehow get the money to bail
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  Speaker 6: them out. And we had something like a two hour timeframe.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So I remember you called me. You call me
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  Speaker 4: and you say I.
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  Speaker 6: Might honey handle this, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Basically, and I was like, where's Abby Heavy, We need you.
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  Speaker 3: So we were like, wait, this is impossible, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: because like the audience doesn't know Diane and Brad, but
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  Speaker 3: they are the nicest, kindest, most upstanding, cool people like
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  Speaker 3: these are not even potentially drunk driving lunatics to attack
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  Speaker 3: the cops.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think if someone got aggressive with Diane,
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  Speaker 6: I could see Brad stepping in. That made some sense,
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  Speaker 6: but otherwise none of it was in character.
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  Speaker 3: The only thing that gave us pause was it was COVID.
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  Speaker 3: Things were nuts. Everyone was behaving bizarrely. So there really
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  Speaker 3: was a piece that was like, did they have some
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  Speaker 3: sort of a meltdown?
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  Speaker 4: Did's something like?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 4: It was so bizarre?
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  Speaker 6: So mom, Mom gave me the phone number.
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  Speaker 1: I call the lawyer.
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  Speaker 6: He was explaining he needs seventeen thousand dollars in cash.
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  Speaker 6: He reiterates much of what my mom told me, which
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  Speaker 6: is the window is closing. It's, you know, due to
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  Speaker 6: COVID protocols. The whole thing shuts down at four o'clock
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  Speaker 6: when a Friday, and it goes dark for the weekend.
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  Speaker 6: So we have only this amount of time to get
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  Speaker 6: them out of you know, the holding cell. So you know,
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  Speaker 6: can you get seventeen thousand dollars in cash to Cape
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  Speaker 6: Cod right now? And I'm thinking I can't get myself
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  Speaker 6: to Cape Cod in two hours, let alone seventeen thousand
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  Speaker 6: dollars in cash. So you and I start scrambling for
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  Speaker 6: ideas to how to deal with this, right.
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  Speaker 3: So we're like, we're and it's not that easy to
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  Speaker 3: get seventeen thousand dollars cash like that.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm trying to figure out how to get the money.
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  Speaker 3: And you're talking to your mom, trying to call him
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  Speaker 3: your mom down, You're calling your brothers letting them know
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  Speaker 3: what's happening with Die. Everybody's like, my god, this is
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  Speaker 3: a nightmare. And what was the next thing that happened?
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  Speaker 3: Trying to remember the next step in the chain.
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  Speaker 6: We were scrambling around to try to get money. We're
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  Speaker 6: talking to the loawyd. We'd ask him questions that you know,
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  Speaker 6: what is a way we can do this? And we
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  Speaker 6: had the idea to call Dian Brad's friend in Cape
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  Speaker 6: Cod who has sort of a whale watching business. He
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  Speaker 6: has a number of big charter boats where you can
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  Speaker 6: go out and watch the whales, so off Provincetown, which
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  Speaker 6: we've done with him before, which we've done with Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: so Steve, And so we call Steve, who, thank god,
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  Speaker 6: picks up a phone and we get him up to
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  Speaker 6: speed on the problem.
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  Speaker 4: Here's that friend Steve from Cape Cod.
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  Speaker 9: Apparently this needed to be done locally, so Doug called
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  Speaker 9: me because I'm a close friend of both rather than Diane's.
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  Speaker 9: It was a pretty large sum, and he said that
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  Speaker 9: I be reimbursed. We got them out, but because it
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  Speaker 9: was a weekend, things couldn't be done normally.
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  Speaker 6: So then we call back to Laura and say, we've
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  Speaker 6: got someone on the ground on the cape with the cash.
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  Speaker 5: Where do we go?
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  Speaker 6: It says, actually, I'm not there now, so there's no
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  Speaker 6: one to receive the cash. So he pivoted to saying,
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  Speaker 6: you can use cryptocurrency. Because of again COVID, the courts
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  Speaker 6: will accept in these extreme circumstances, the corps will actually
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  Speaker 6: accept cryptocurrency.
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  Speaker 3: And he was saying he was going to give us
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  Speaker 3: a wire to send it directly to the court.
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  Speaker 6: There was a phone to the court. We could call
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  Speaker 6: the court and they had you know, they matched up
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  Speaker 6: case numbers.
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  Speaker 3: And we did call the court. We called the court.
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  Speaker 3: We dialed the number and that the lawyer had given us.
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  Speaker 3: We had an official person answer. We were put on hold.
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  Speaker 3: They asked us for the case number. We gave them
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  Speaker 3: the case number. They looked it up. They said Diane
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  Speaker 3: and Brad. They had their names and they verified everything
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  Speaker 3: that we'd been told. Thus, far when we come back
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  Speaker 3: what happened to Brad and Diane. Thankfully Steve was on
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  Speaker 3: the case. We were picking up my conversation with Doug
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  Speaker 3: about what happened as soon as we got the instructions
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  Speaker 3: on how to get the crypto delivered.
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  Speaker 6: So I remember you were in Manhattan at the time,
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  Speaker 6: so I guess he went online and found locations where
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  Speaker 6: they have crypto kiosks where you can basically insert cash
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  Speaker 6: and it comes out on the other end as cryptocurrency.
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  Speaker 6: So that's our next plan. But at this point where
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  Speaker 6: like this is nuts, this is very sketchy real but
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  Speaker 6: I still thought, you know, going back to what we
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  Speaker 6: know Diane's still in.
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  Speaker 3: Jail, it was like, maybe there's a sketchy lawyer involved,
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  Speaker 3: but really we were like, Dian and Brad are in
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  Speaker 3: trouble and we've got to find a way of helping them.
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  Speaker 3: And thank god that you enlisted Steve.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so when we call Steve, we say it's got
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  Speaker 6: to be crypto now, so stand down on the brown
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  Speaker 6: bag of cash. And so Steve's thinking this is so
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  Speaker 6: he but he's now fully in it, you know, He's
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  Speaker 6: he thought Diane Brad needed rescuing, so he's still in
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  Speaker 6: rescue mode.
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  Speaker 3: Steve asks for the lawyer's number so he can arrange
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  Speaker 3: this payment directly. And here the lawyer gets something very wrong.
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  Speaker 3: As Jackie would later explain to me.
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  Speaker 5: The town was Barnstable, and he said Barnstable because it's
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  Speaker 5: spelled that way, but up there they call it Barnstable.
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  Speaker 9: You know, no one local that would have known straight off.
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  Speaker 9: You know, he didn't speak like he was even here,
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  Speaker 9: so so that was a dead giveaway.
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  Speaker 3: That's when Steve decided to drive by Diane and Brad's
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  Speaker 3: house and to call the house phone on the way there.
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  Speaker 4: Where were Diane and Brad in our.
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  Speaker 7: Living room, having a great day, that regular perfect day
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  Speaker 7: in our lives, not.
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  Speaker 10: In jail, not punching out cups, happy at home.
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  Speaker 7: It's been a long time since we been in jail.
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  Speaker 7: I was in my recliner and I was very comfortable.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, it's a swivel recliner that you know, goes
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  Speaker 7: back and forth, it goes every direction in the house
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  Speaker 7: I live in.
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  Speaker 4: It It's perfect. None of it was real. They had
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  Speaker 4: no idea any of this was going on.
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  Speaker 6: Right, and we've been running around for hours at this point, hysterical.
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  Speaker 3: They were totally fine. There had been no incident whatsoever. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Doug and I, with all of ours so called higher
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  Speaker 3: education and city sophistication, had almost been had by some
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  Speaker 3: con man until Steve the Cape Cod Whille watch guy
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  Speaker 3: shut the whole thing down.
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  Speaker 9: I just stopped and took a breath and thought it
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  Speaker 9: out a little bit, and it just didn't make any
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  Speaker 9: sense to me at all.
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  Speaker 7: He is so incredibly capable at every aspect of life,
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  Speaker 7: Like he just is just a can't do guy.
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  Speaker 8: There's nothing like.
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  Speaker 7: He's unstoppable, especially in like his business and you know,
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  Speaker 7: dealing with stuff in the water too, makes you that way,
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  Speaker 7: because when you're out on a boat or ship, you
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  Speaker 7: can't walk home if there's a problem. So he has
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  Speaker 7: that mentality that wherever he's standing, he can fix the problem.
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  Speaker 4: But Steve is also like a cool customer, Like he's
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  Speaker 4: not like he told us after the fact, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 4: like yeah.
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  Speaker 11: I mean when when I answered the phone and it.
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  Speaker 4: Was Steve, he said, uh, oh good, you're home.
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  Speaker 11: I have to call Doug, Like in that tone of voice,
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  Speaker 11: he wasn't like, oh my god, you're saying. You know,
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  Speaker 11: he doesn't overreact anything.
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  Speaker 4: He's great in a crisis, and he.
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  Speaker 11: When we asked him later, he said, I was gonna
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  Speaker 11: call you. If you didn't answer, I was going to
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  Speaker 11: go to your house. If you weren't there, I was
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  Speaker 11: going to go to the Wellfleet Police, our town, and
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  Speaker 11: if they didn't know anything about it, I was going
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  Speaker 11: to end there. If they did, I was going to
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  Speaker 11: go to Barnstable with the money. So he was never
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  Speaker 11: He's unflappable.
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  Speaker 3: So Steve figured this whole thing out, and Doug and
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  Speaker 3: I began asking ourselves, how on earth did we almost
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  Speaker 3: fall for this nonsense. Well, it all boiled down to
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  Speaker 3: one thing. In our defense, we believed that Doug's mom
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  Speaker 3: had actually spoken with Diane.
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  Speaker 6: That was the key to this whole thing, running us
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  Speaker 6: out as long as it did, because what we thought
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  Speaker 6: we had in the category of things we know wasn't right.
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  Speaker 6: That was a bad assumption.
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  Speaker 3: Right, They had fooled your mom, which is absolutely amazing
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  Speaker 3: that they fooled her about her own daughter's voice.
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  Speaker 4: Hence the importance of the broken nose.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, right, right. They had so many tricks, and then,
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  Speaker 6: of course COVID was just opened the door to so
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  Speaker 6: many of these stupid things, because we're all everything was ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: Then, yeah, that's why they didn't. She didn't get it.
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  Speaker 3: Your mom heard a hysterical adult woman claiming she'd broken
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  Speaker 3: her nose, which would explain a different voice, and she
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  Speaker 3: went with it.
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  Speaker 4: She believed it.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was dying, and still if I could
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  Speaker 5: hear it again, I would still think it was Diane.
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  Speaker 4: You believed it because.
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  Speaker 5: Why sounded like her voice and the panic, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I could take them. It just seemed like she was
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  Speaker 5: crying and screaming and not screaming. Shees just kind of hysterical,
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  Speaker 5: and it sounded like her. The whole situation did not
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  Speaker 5: sound like her. But I really couldn't you know, at
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  Speaker 5: the time, I couldn't really work my way through the
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: car car accident, and I did realize that that they
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: she would have been in a drunk driving accident, which
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  Speaker 5: is why I asked the.
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  Speaker 4: Lawyer, because Diane doesn't drink no right.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why he said he believed her when she
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  Speaker 5: told him that, and that's why he sent off a
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  Speaker 5: blood test.
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  Speaker 3: When you found out that this was an attempted fraud,
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  Speaker 3: what did you think?
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  Speaker 4: What was your reaction?
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  Speaker 5: I was wondering how I could have been so stupid. Frankly,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I just so thoroughly bought into that.
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  Speaker 8: And.
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  Speaker 5: By that time it was out of my hands, and
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  Speaker 5: I just watched all of you take over and figure
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  Speaker 5: it out.
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  Speaker 1: We're loved, We're loved.
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  Speaker 4: We did come away from that feeling very loved.
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  Speaker 3: It was so sophisticated, you know, the woman calling pretending
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  Speaker 3: to be Diane, the lawyer, the court, you know, multiple
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  Speaker 3: people involved. Did you ever figure out how you were
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  Speaker 3: chosen for this?
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  Speaker 5: No? I know I really didn't. No, I have no idea.
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  Speaker 5: But then again, with these scams, I can't tell you
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  Speaker 5: how many times I've gotten one of these phone calls
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  Speaker 5: that says, Grandma, I'm in trouble.
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  Speaker 4: I need help.
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  Speaker 5: Oh really yes, And it's more fun because now I
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  Speaker 5: just say, is your mother proud of what you're doing?
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  Speaker 5: And they always hang up on me.
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  Speaker 9: So for those out there, it's barnstable if they try
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  Speaker 9: to do it again, and it's thought.
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  Speaker 4: Barnstable, so Die and Brad are safe.
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  Speaker 3: No one has handed over any money, thank god, and
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  Speaker 3: Steve has saved the day. Now Doug and I I
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  Speaker 3: decide to have a little fun with our con man
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  Speaker 3: who does not yet know he's been busted. I called
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  Speaker 3: him up with Doug taping the conversation, and what happened
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  Speaker 3: next was six minutes of gold.
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  Speaker 4: That's next.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I want to take you through my phone
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: call with the scammer now, but to help me walk
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: you through it, I brought in my pal, Bill Stanton.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: He's former NYPD, a private investigator and a security expert
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: who helps us out sometimes on our own security from
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: time to time.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Watch this.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: So I'm going to just go to play the call, okay,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: that I did with this guy once we were finally
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: onto this, and I would love if we could analyze
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: it as we go, all right, and I can positi
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: if necessary.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Here we go.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: This is Paul.
• 19:53
  Speaker 10: Hey, it's Megan Kelly.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: So I haven't received the bitcoin verification yet.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I was using my real name.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: He knew who I was and I had mentioned that
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I was a public figure. Didn't stop him one bit.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Bat an eye not surprised at that, or are you well?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: My guess is he's not from this country. He may
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: be out of the country, but he sounds American. He
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: does sound American, but I don't know that he fully
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: knew the impact of Megan Kelly or what was coming.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was about to be humiliated exactly.
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah. What is that bitcoin? Whatever that is? Is that bitcoin?
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, it hasn't it hasn't come through.
• 20:32
  Speaker 13: Any verification from them at all.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: No, is there another way of doing this? Because I'm
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: worried about them sitting there all day?
• 20:41
  Speaker 13: Okay, well, did you take your text messages?
• 20:45
  Speaker 11: Is it?
• 20:46
  Speaker 13: Does it still say a waiting review?
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Yep, there's nothing. Another one didn't come in, so that's
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: the last I have. At this point, he's walking me
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: through exactly how to get him the bitcoin.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's an expert as I would. Listening to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this on the way down here, what your listeners are
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: listening to is a master class in three level chess.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: It is a mind game that's going on. Yeah, and
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you handle it phenomenally. Okay, let's go here we go.
• 21:15
  Speaker 13: Where are you are you located at the machine?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I haven't gone down there yet because I don't have
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: the verification. Don't I need the verification before I can
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: send anything.
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: You're going to.
• 21:25
  Speaker 13: Have to get on the chat uh and and contact
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: them because it could be them maybe the the pictures
• 21:31
  Speaker 13: wasn't were not legible or something like that. But if
• 21:35
  Speaker 13: you go on the coins where it's not that, you
• 21:37
  Speaker 13: can actually get on the chat with them and you know,
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: asks them, what's you know, what's the status of your verification?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: All right, Like, I'm worried about them sitting there all day?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Is there any other way of doing this?
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: I did contact the core and explain to them about
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: you know, uh the shutdown there and uh, the they
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: were you know, it's unconstitutional to keep from there. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 13: we've not enough time to get them out. We just
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: have to try to pay the bails to get him out.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Like how are they Is there any way of like
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: lowering the bail or getting them out?
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Just like for now, I.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Love what you're doing here because I call it doing
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the colombo. You're playing, you're playing stupid, You're doing.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: It brilliantly because at this point I know, yes, yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And you're you're just slowly reeling them in and he
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: doesn't realize he thinks he's the predator. Yeah, meanwhile you're
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: putting your jaws around him.
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: Like how serious are these charges?
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: Well, they're very serious.
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: I mean it's a very serious charge. If we're not
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: for the blood tests, we probably you know, be looking
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: at some jail time.
• 22:42
  Speaker 10: Did she take one already?
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I already requested it. We're just waiting for the result.
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: You know, I'm pretty sure it's going to come back.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: The little levels because.
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: That's what she you know, she promised me that she
• 22:53
  Speaker 13: was not drinking.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: No, there is zero chance that she was drinking. Zero.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: So this is one of the weird he took where
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: he based this whole alleged crime on Diane drunk driving.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: And this is an area in which he didn't do
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: his homework because she and Brad don't drink.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: They just don't drink. It's not their thing.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: And he so we took a shot at it, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: then everybody from Jackie to Doug to me, we were
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: all like, they don't drink, right, what do you mean?
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Like he kind of but he was like, yeah, you know,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I believe her. That's why I'm gonna I'm going to
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: mandate the blood test.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Well, this character is a combination fortune teller con man,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and he's reading everything right. So he has maybe done dozens,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: if not hundreds of these calls before. So just like
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a fortune teller, he's feeling it out and he needs
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to make some leaps in order to advance, to get
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to endgame. And like a telemarketer, he has heard so
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: many different responses and he knows where the put like
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: cut and paste, what type of many Yeah, and that's
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: what you were defeating here, and we'll listen as we
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: go on. Has he stumbles like a mental computer glitch.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You'll hear it as you get him.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: He's so clever because he doesn't get thrown at all
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: by she doesn't drink.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: He's like, I'm on your side. I agree, she wasn't drunk.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: That's why I'm mandated blood tests, right, I mean, that's smooth.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: So once once we pay the bill, how long until
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: they can get out?
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: It takes them all forty five minutes to an hour
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: for them to be released.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, and where, like, how do we get them?
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: Are you going to be coming down to pick him up?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: We're not, but we'll find somebody there, Like they have
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: a friend there who we looped in and he was
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: going to try to help, but I don't know. That
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: didn't work, But he's there so he can get them.
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: Well yeah, I mean, once you guys pay the bailly,
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: you can have them drive down and they can pick
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: them up.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: He didn't answer, right, Well, you see, the longer you're talking,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the more it's giving him a chance to FORMU laid
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: some bullshit on what to say back to you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: He doesn't know the address of the.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Court, and you are like a cat blocking him off,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: like a mouse trying to get away, and you keep
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: putting a poor down. Then he runs the other way. Yeah,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and then you put a poor down. Here.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: He tried to get out of dodge, and I'm like,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I need the address of the jail so I can
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: pick him up.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: And he's wondering what to say.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: Let me give you the addresser, It's seven, Bedford seven.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: And then I write this down. Wait, what's in what's
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: the city Bedford?
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: Okay?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: And what's the city Stanford? Stanford, Connecticut? Correct, Paul, They're
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: in Cape con.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: Eater, Absolutely right.
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: I'm really sorry. I was confused. I have another case
• 26:13
  Speaker 13: that's in Stanford. Has just been a very long day.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: That was the mental glitch. And this guy is, as
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I said, dozens if not hundreds of coals before. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: notice how he maintains his calm, right, But there's these
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: big people. He doesn't hang up right there, doesn't hang
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: up because he's invested in you. You are money on
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the hoof to him right now. He may have ten
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of the calls in process lined up, but right now
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: all his focus is to get the money out of you,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: and every second is of course benefit analysis, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: can I still reel this one into the yes?
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: Right?
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: And I think he was either confused because he had
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: another potential fish in Stanford, Connecticut, or it was because Stanford,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: or it was because Doug was in Connecticut that day.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: That was a year that we were commuting our two
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: boys to Connecticut and our daughter was still going to
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: school in New York, so we would split up during
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: the days. And when he spoke with Doug, I think
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Doug said, I'm in Connecticut, so he got confused.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: There were too many cities, too many places.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Too many balls.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly.
• 27:18
  Speaker 10: So where where are they?
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: I gave you, and I gave you the address earlier.
• 27:25
  Speaker 13: It's importance Stable gave us to your husband.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, actual Cape Cotters call it Barnstable, and he's claiming.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That he's from there.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, they didn't say Barnes.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Getting burned on multiple areas.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: He fell down a little at the job just a second.
• 27:51
  Speaker 13: Mean, see he's just still there because they could have
• 27:53
  Speaker 13: been moved. Yeah, it's thirty one ninety five Main Street.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Thirty one ninety five means street. She's still there, Okay,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Main Street? And then So what what's that town?
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: Orange Stable?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Barn Stable? Okay?
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: And where are you.
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: I I'm you know, I'm in Barnstable, but I'm not
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: turnally here. I'm in Ohio handling some family business and
• 28:23
  Speaker 13: I'm going to be back here on Monday.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: So why he has to not be in Barnstable because
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: he can't receive the money in cash by our friend
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: who's ready to deliver cash to his face. Right, He's
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: got to be someplace else so that we have to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: wire it bitcoin?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Right any An? He adds like family business to prey upon,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, your goodwill, and to humanize him, right, like, Oh,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: this guy's a regular guy. It's not a confidence man.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: This is legit.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: You can hear him thinking, they can hear the wills
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: turn is.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You could hear grinding right right, and you just keep
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: throwing monkey wrench after them. Monkey.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: It's great.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Just ask questions, huh, right? Like that can be harder
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: than even like confronting with facts.
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: Exactly are you sole practitioner or what are you?
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: I'm a public defendant. I've worked for the state bar.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Here in Massachusetts. Okay, where'd you go to law school?
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I'm a lawyer too.
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: I went to a New York John Jay Long.
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: Oh really, what years you graduate?
• 29:28
  Speaker 13: I'm sorry, seventy seventy three?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: You graduated law school in seventy three. You don't sound
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: that old?
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I am.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Literally, I graduate law school in ninety five, twenty two
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: years older than I.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I'm maybe seven and a half years old.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Seriously, I mean at that point that would have made
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: him in his mid seventies.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: He does not sound like he's in.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: The seventies, and he's a public defender in his mid seventies.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: So why did he say that? Why do you say
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: he was a seventy three because.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, you have his mind racing so much, right,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that was the first number that flew out of his mind.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: So I think it's because he knew, like he was
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: worried I might have gone to John Jay, and he was.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's why I can't.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: That's hit the year anywhere.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know how old she is, right, you know,
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: because these are small law schools, right, like.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, seventy three.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Jesus, Yeah, he went big. He went to He had
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: no idea though, he didn't know how old I was.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: That's what I think.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: So the other thing is you know, seventeen thousand dollars
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: is a lot of money, And like, what if I
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: don't get it back?
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: What do you mean You're supposed to get it back
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: once the case is closer, dismissed, once.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: It's closed, or dismissed, right, I mean I don't I
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: got it. I gotta be honest with you, like I'm
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: not that close with Diane. I'm not. I'm not sure,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: no problem. You know, it's a lot of money.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: That was it, you know, On to the next call,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: onto the next victim.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: So you don't think I hurt his feelings. You think
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: it was just like cut my los cut my lawsuit.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: I kind of hoped I heard him a little, you know, like, aha,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: I got you.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You didn't even he didn't miss a step, right. You
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: became too much of an impediment to him, And it's
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: onto the easier fish. Think about a predator. Wolves go
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: after the weakest sheep, the slowest, the oldest, the ones
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: most vulnerable. And just to make a point, well we
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: are laughing here. This is done in various machinations every day.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Elderly women who are lonely, you know, the Lonely Hearts club.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I've had, you know, through friends and family. I'd say
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: about a baker's dozen cases where women in the sixties
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and seventies have sold their homes, have taken loans, sent
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: that money, knowing them only a week. Loneliness is the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: son of a bitch. Having an open heart is the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: son of a bitch in this case. So it's a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: combination of having street smart and cyber sense. When these
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: things come in, there's a sense of urgency and you
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: want to take care of your loved one. And they'll
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: come up with a number, and what they look at
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: is your social media. We've all been guilty of it,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: some more than others, where we put everything on the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: fen internet, you know, and think about pictures in front
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: of your house. I could spot your address. I'm not saying,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I'd never do that. I know that, but
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: so many of us do. Write so many tells the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: type of car. So for the predator, the cyber predator,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: they're gathering, whether it's one person or a whole network
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of people, they'll gather that intel and like, well only
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: my family would know that.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Well, well, let's talk about that in this case, because
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: that's one of the weirdnesses. Jackie Doug's eighty seven year
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: old mother is not on social media? Right, Nora is Diane,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: nor is Brad, neither one of them. So this guy
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: knew clearly he was targeting an elderly woman, right, and
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: he at least knew her daughter's name because he had
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: a woman caller tending to be her instead. Mom, it's
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: die right, So like how, I don't even know how
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: you figure that out?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Could they have flipped it? Could she have counted your
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: sister in law correct? Could she have had her mother,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: you know, online through social media? At mom's eighty five.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: She's not even out. She's not online at all.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: No, your sister in law isn't.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know what, then it may be closer
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to home then we know, you know, most crimes like
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: God forbid anything. Whatever happened to this home, Like whether
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it be burglary, evandalism, it's not from someone across the country.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: It's the landscaper's cousin. It's someone you know, one or
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: twice removed those people. I'll vet him, don't worry, I'll vet.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Him because that's what's really disturbing. Right, They knew some
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: facts about Jack, just about Diane. They knew Diane was
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: in Cape cod So I mean that's another thing, right,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: that not online? Right, So it's actually I have no idea,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: but you're right. Maybe it's somebody who somehow knew the family.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the only way. It's either you know, one
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: or two people removed or the internet it's been my experience,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: or someone may have reached out. You know, we don't
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: know what we don't know. We don't know if your
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: sistant law had reached out on some service.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Or if they called Jackie earlier. Yes, under a different
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: pretext to do info gas.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, and they gather that and then it's just in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the conveyor belt when that time comes up. Okay, we
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: have oldest information. They're good to go. There, let's go.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: That's another good warning if somebody calls, and I think
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: most younger people know this, but especially for our older listeners,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: if somebody calls looking for information, asking personal information about
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: your family members, names, anything that obviously people know security.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: They ask everything, you know, these surveys and so like
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I'll entertain some of these calls just to see, like
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: you know what, where it's just going to go and
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: they on everything. I go, yeah, non yah, nonya happen business, you.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Know, call the wrong guy. Well, I guess that's true.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: He must have gotten it from her or because you
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: said maybe's out of the country. I just feel like
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: he was an American. But that doesn't mean he wasn't
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: sitting there in India making these calls. I don't know
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: if he was close to them or not, but that
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: I hadn't considered that he had already done research potentially
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: on Jackie because she wasn't that savvy to this prior
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: to this whole event. Yes, all right, let's speak about
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the how elaborate this was. You know, there was an article,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I think it was the Forbes business columnist recently who
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: did this whole article about how she'd been defrauded out
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: of eighty five thousand dollars cash. She put it in
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: a shoe box. Over just the course of eight hours.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: This guy convinced her to do it. And this is
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: a financial columnist, so, you know, relatively sophisticated, but gave
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: up the dough. And he too, had multiple people working
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: with him on the fraud. This guy, I think had
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: at least two others. He had a fake courthouse number,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: he had hold music that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Tells me it's more than a one man band, Like,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: let's just like as a as A as a sort
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of an example is this show. You're at the top
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: of the masthead, but there's a whole infrastructure behind that
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: beautiful face. What's going on? You bring your game, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you have your people, your producers, your bookers, your everything,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: and to the viewer it seems so seamless, but there's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: a lot to make it happen. Same things with these
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: confidence people. They're gathering information instead of producers. They may
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: have researchers gathering backstory. Instead of celebrities or politicians, they're
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: gathering it on everyday people. They could do an easy
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: you know, Journeyman's a financial assessment. You know, is that
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: house paid for? Do they how many what's the type
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of cause do they have? Do they have that discretionary
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: cash or are they alone? Are they desperate enough? Do
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: they have family? These are all the stress points if
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: you will, that these confidence men, that these teams will
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: look at and they use psychology. They listen. It happened
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to me and I'm in the business, I was in
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: a different form. I'm on my computer. My computer got
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: hacked and I was so desperate. I didn't want them
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: getting my shit. Yeah, so I'm on it, and a
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: little voice I called up Andy, the guy we use,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: you know, that's helped you in the past, and and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: he's like, discontinue right now. I'm like, but I'm gonna
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: lose my He goes, I'm fucking telling you dead. And
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I was that old granny. Yeah, right about to give
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: away all my shit. Oh, there is no socioeconomic intelligence
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: quotient that makes you immune. It's been my experience sometimes
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the smarter you are, you know, you're so confident into
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: who you are. Oh, this would never happen to me.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I would be able to disseminate the bs. Yes, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: they hit that pay button sooner than someone from the street.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: Well, we love the piece of the story that ultimately
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: it was the cape cod Wailing who was like.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: I'm going by their house.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know what these people are saying, and he
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: figured it out.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: He's the hero of ten for that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, So what about the targeting of the elderly, because
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: that does seem to be a theme in a lot
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: of these.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, what they'll do again they go on people's
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: nature or that they could lose their home.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: How do they find out who's elderly and how to
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: call them? Like do they get a sponsorship from the
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: AARP or one of those magazines not to bash the airpeople.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And I'm just saying like, is there a way of
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: getting people's numbers who are old?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can go there are services where you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: can get demographics of people. So like my house was
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: up for sale, like you mass exodus out of New
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: York and I had all these people like kind of
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: f do you know? How do you have my cell
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: number number one?
• 38:52
  Speaker 11: Right?
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: And how do you know my house is for sale?
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Oh we'll pay cash? Oh can I show you a house?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Because there are services that you pay into and you
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: get some certain demographics. So for me, I'm selling my house.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: There are elderly groups. If she ever signed on to
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: any AARP or some type of association, those lots of
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: you know, the intelligence gathering of who you are, what
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you are, what demographic you are, the same way advertisers
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: buy that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Voters like the camp yes, the campaigns right now.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Some way you know, certain demographics want that information for sales.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: They get it from Marks tomorrow.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: How much they can find out about us.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And it's scary, and it's the basic psychology you see
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: when we're in our home. You're an old elderly lady,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you may be widowed, you're all alone, and your primary
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: thing is to go to the market to get that
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: sale and come home your hit added blue, your hit
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: added a blue with a member of your family that's
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: in distress, and you could hit that button and you're
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: going to be walked through it to get them out
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: of trouble. That's what you live for.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: And they know that there are so many people who
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: are in this exact position right now, and it's like
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I think my audience is in generally in general, they're
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: a lot younger than eighty seven. So I urge everybody
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: speak to your parent, speak to your great aunt, speak
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: to anybody who's in.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: This age group.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: And speak to your friends too, because it's not just
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the elderly, and let them know that this is out there.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Whether I get a thing, whether it's this particular one,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: whether it's they hack into your computer, whether you're on
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: one of those dating sites, they go to the basic
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: emotion and need and insecurity of people, and just realize,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: take that breath, take a step back, because nothing is
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: unless you're in a car creage where you have to
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: hit that break, you know, hit the brake in your mind,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: hit that cyber break, hit that telephone break, and ask
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: questions and say give me a number, let me get
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: back to you. It can wait ten minutes, and that
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: could save you a whole bunch of money, a whole.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: Bunch of gees.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: And I will say, in that fraud that I mentioned
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: that the business reporter wrote up about that happened to her,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: and in this attempted fraud of us, one of the
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: things that she didn't do and that we didn't do
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: and should have done, was to do an independent Google
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: search of the number of the courthouse or in her case,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I don't remember that it was like this, she said.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: They said she was getting investigated by the federal government.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: But whoever they say is the third party? Right, just
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: hang up and do a Google search, don't call their number,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: call you find out the number.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Right, you make an independent call to see if.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: This is real, now and get the fraudster's number so
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: you can then call go.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: One step further, because there are apps I can call
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you and it looks like it's coming from Doug's number. Yeah,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: that technology exists out there that's rude to messicy. What Yes,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I can call you right now and it would ring
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Doug's number and you would answer WOA. So there are
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: different levels to this, and you know, but if.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I'm dialing out, I mean, like that's that's the empowerment
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: is if you are dialing out on your phone, then
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: you take a Barnstable courthouse right right?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Like I had Amazon. I had an Amazon scam and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it was online. It came over a text right, you know,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: did you charge this on Amazon? Click here? Fuck that?
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I got on the phone with Amazon Direct, you know,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, is this what you do?
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: They go?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. They I go, is this the thing? They go,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: that's a thing, don't you get?
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: Attempted frauds at me every day.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Via email, email, like on this, so it's like I
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: usually just forward them to Abby and she deals with
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: it or like the scams and she puts these blockers
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: on my phone. But it's amazing because most people don't
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: have an Abby and most people haven't had this happen
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: to them, and they're not living on guard. They're actually
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: still trusting, loving people, Unlike us cynical bastards.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: We are.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: We always got taken in.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you it's listen essentially with good people.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: We care about people. But f that like I had
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a lady. I was in midtown. This was a number
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: of years ago, middle aged, well dressed woman and she
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: hit me with the gasoline. Oh my car. And I
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: was fascinated that this woman was well dressed, well spoken,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and she's hitting me up. I said, I'll walk you
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: to your car right now. Oh, I really get and
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: then she just walked away. So they pray, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: upon your good nature. And again, you know, many people
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: don't haven't been raised from the streets, you know, but
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it's incumbent to have those street smarts. Yeah, and bad
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: guys don't necessarily dress up like an old Batman bad
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: guy t shirt. No. Now it's on the internet and
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: the cyber world is a whole other animal. And just
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: remember always press the brakes and question, question, question.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, you're not surprised the cops weren't interested. That's how
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: they get away with it.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Though it's low level. It's low and their priority list.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: You know, many police departments aren't sophisticated in tracking this down.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: It's more an FBI issue.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Actually, and this cross state lines, right, you know.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: That's why it's more of an FBI issue. And we know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: you know, they have their own problems.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I had all my evidence, I had that number, I
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: had the court number.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Tell you won't turning out this is this was actually
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: your first undercover. We've done another on.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Degree, we've done an undercover.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Since you are, you're proving to be quite you know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I thought my initials would bes you're getting very good
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: at this. Megan Kelly, you're getting a little bit too good.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I do love I mean, like the elderly. I love
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: my Matt Locke.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: I love my Jessica Murder. She wrote, you know I
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: aspired a great things. Bill Stanton, thank.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: You ten for thank you for having me.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Thanks to my family, Doug, Die and Brad, my mother
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: in law Jackie. Thanks to Steve for helping us bring
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: this story to you. I mean, can you believe this? Like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: isn't that a nuts story? It's Craig Cray And honestly,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Doug and I have had so many conversations about I
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: remember we had dinner with all these friends, was still
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the COVID lockdowns, and we we sneaked at dinner, not
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: sorry to tell you at our apartment because crazy Andrew
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Cuomo's still trying to tell us weren't allowed to do
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And we told our friends' story
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: that night, and everyone was riveted.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Right because no one could believe this crap.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: And I know you're thinking as soon as you hear crypto,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, and we too were like what.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: But it was just the COVID weirdness, the fact that
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: we had spoken with the court, we thought ourselves, and
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the fact that we hadn't yet even thought to question
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Jackie's telling us she had spoken with Diane herself and
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: that she was really in trouble like that didn't even
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: enter our minds that that piece of the story might
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: not be true. So anyway, words of caution in this
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: story for everyone, And honestly, you need to know this,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: right because what if this happened to your mom or you,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: and now you'll know, like if we hadn't told a story,
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: you might not know, maybe you would be hoodwinked.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it can happen, trust me.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: So we decided to tell you the story, even though
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: we knew you might mock us a little because we
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: want to help others, and we learned a lot to ourselves.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I think all of us did.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Hope all of you learn something from today's show and
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: from Fraud Week all week, because sadly, there are fraudsters
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: out there working hard every day to steal your money
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: or something precious, and most of these never see the
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: light of day. They just happened privately because people are
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: too embarrassed to talk about it or scared. Yeah, there's
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: either humiliated, and I get it, but there's no reason
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: to be humiliated if you get defrauded by one of
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: these losers, or almost defraud in our case, what does
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: it say about you? It says you believe in human nature,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: you believe in others. You probably have a kind heart.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: You're probably a trusting soul. Those are not bad things, right,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: but slightly jaded, trusting soul, but slightly jaded. I think
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: that's what we're going for. So that's why we shared,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: and that's why we hope everybody listens and shares and
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: talks about these kinds of things more and more so
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: we can help each other. All right, I'd love to
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: hear from all of you. Do you have a fraud story?
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Have you been inspired or helped by our fraudek week?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Email me at Megan m E. G y N at
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Megankelly dot com. I'll definitely be reading. We do read
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: the emails. I see them every week and I love
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: going through them. I read them on Mondays. We get
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: them collective from the week before, and there's nothing quite
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: like hearing from all of you.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: So would love for you to email me for now.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: My family and I are off next week on a
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: family vac but we are back live on June twenty fourth,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: and there's going to be plenty to do that week,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: as there should be the first presidential debate.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Of the twenty twenty four election contest. See you them.
• 47:52
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• 47:55
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