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How to Master AI in Business and Leadership Resilience with Volodymyr Panchenko · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  Whoa, we are. Live ladies and gentlemen, you
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  want to get welcome to the Kingdom's podcast at today I'm
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  going to be people VIP fighting out of California, United States
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  of America by way of give Ukraine make welcome Vladimir
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  Vladimir let's go thank. You so much for the.
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  Let's go, brother, let's go. Let's go.
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  It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a my pleasure welcoming you back
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  as a returning guest, you know, and your work sits at the
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  intersection of technology, strategy and forward thinking
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  leadership. When Vlad first joined us on the
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  Kingdom's podcast, he learned how we think about innovation,
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  digital transformation, and the practical realities of building
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  in a rapidly evolving tech landscape.
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  His insights didn't just pack ideas, they offered actionable
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  frameworks leaders could immediately apply.
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  Since then, the pace of change hasn't slowed.
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  If anything, it has accelerated. Vlad returns today with fresh
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  perspective, deeper experience and new lessons from the front
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  lines of innovation. We'll be exploring what's
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  changed, what leaders are still getting wrong, and how to
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  position yourself and your business to thrive in an AI
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  driven opportunity to reach future.
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  Vlad, welcome back. It's great to have you with us
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  again on the podcast. It's it's, it's been a long
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  time, brother. How how have you been and what
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  has changed? What has changed since the last
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  time we spoke? I think the last time we spoke
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  was September last year. Is, is that is that correct?
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  Yeah, That, that, that. Has since.
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  September last year? Yes.
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  September last. Year, that's sure.
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  That's sure. That's true.
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  And this is February. This is February 2026.
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  Right. For a second I was like thinking
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  about like 18 months ago, which would be a little bit more, but
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  no like half an hour half a year ago.
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  Well, yes, yes, in a way, in a way, in a way.
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  I Remember Me joking about the life has done with lifeblood in
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  pixels. So since then, like those pixels
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  became real humans in in human beings in the real product,
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  which is growing fast and viral in which is fulfilling me was a
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  lot of joy because it creates value for people and not miss
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  that physically or theoretically.
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  But in the last couple of days I got, I don't know, close to 100
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  different feedbacks from people I know or I don't know or maybe
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  know a little bit. And we did like I knew it like
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  that. Whatever I imagine could be done
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  with what the product would put I've it's nothing compared to
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  what people will actually going to do and what is going to
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  happen. It's mind blowing.
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  I would be happy to share a few stories along the way.
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  Well, and a few bumps we had along the way as well.
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  But the most important part that since our last conversation,
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  what I was dreaming about and building, I think I told you
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  about the concept of zombie hackathons, which we had in the
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  right and what I realised on top of that and which helped and
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  helps. It's sometimes scary, but if you
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  trust your team 100% like and that was the always shut, it's
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  going to be a 10,000 times more effective in a even the zombie
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  hackathons can be. We have fun, but it's amazing
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  what could be done with the team and the product and the
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  technology we have right now. Wow.
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  Yeah, it's really amazing the product that you guys have put
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  together. A very big shout out to Julia.
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  So she, she, she she's one who helps set us up.
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  And she, she sent me a link to the product and I was, I was
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  amazed. I was like, wow, wow, what is
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  happening here? You guys, you guys are going to
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  give chart GPT room for their money.
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  Like this is this is on steroids.
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  And you know, it's, it's interesting that it is something
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  that has just been launched. So I can imagine what's going to
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  happen one month, six months, one year down the road.
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  It's nothing short of amazing. But you know, in our, in our
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  last conversation, you mentioned the human connection is the most
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  important element and that we should focus on humans 1st and
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  AI next. So how has your vision for
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  Portal that AI evolved since then to ensure that technology
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  serves as a breach for connection rather than being a
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  barrier? I remember you said that that's
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  the title of your episodes. And since then something
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  happened. One content creator started to
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  use Portal 1A, Portal one, that's the bot name and
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  application name. Eventually she in the first
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  night she actually she went to sleep and when she woke up, her
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  portal one made her made her 1200.
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  But I, I was impressed. She was for sure as well.
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  And the most important point is that it wasn't the bot made that
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  money. She did.
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  So the bot knew her audience, understood her style, suggested
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  the strategy, and she adjusted a little bit, approved that, and
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  that's it. Humans first isn't a slogan.
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  It's this is how it actually works.
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  So it doesn't replace humans. It gives them what they couldn't
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  do before and amplifies and it makes people stronger.
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  It doesn't replace them. And I knew it, but no, well, OK,
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  I believed in it. I don't know.
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  I know it believed in it. Take it like this was people who
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  were afraid of I was that he's as usual with human beings.
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  So somebody is going to use it for something good, somebody
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  bad. But it's a technology.
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  Everyone I talked with and who outreach it to me, it was always
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  a story about how how they're talent and what they could do
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  and well, and now the technology we put together made them
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  stronger. What made them more powerful.
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  One of my friends a week ago told me, bro, like was this
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  we're going to very fast run out of ideas.
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  Really. He said that which and he's very
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  smart. So this is probably a general
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  sort as well. I was surprised.
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  I said like that's the most human thing is to have a crazy,
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  a lot of crazy ideas. I'm not sure that AI can be now.
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  Now I have a proof. Because people don't run out of
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  ideas, they just become stronger, faster.
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  Their talent is being amplified and they put even more crazy
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  ideas together, which I'm so happy to see.
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  And but that's that. Humans are actually first and a
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  second. Amazing, amazing.
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  You know, it's, it's amazing the level of brilliant the
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  technology that you've put together has and you know, one
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  really amazing thing with the LLMS is how fast they can learn
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  about your personality, your business, your ecosystem and,
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  you know, work generatively on whatever information that you
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  have actually provided to the LLM.
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  What do you want the average person to be able to achieve
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  using portal dot AI, especially the this new solution you have,
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  you know, provided for, for a business person like myself.
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  I, I, I've seen, I've seen the interface, I've, you know, I've
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  not been able to use it very much, but I can see how very
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  promising it is. It can understand your business
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  ecosystem and create reports for you, for the average person.
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  What? What do you want the average
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  person to achieve using this product?
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  My honest answer that I I want to the average person and it is
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  what's happening like like mom of my Co founder yesterday
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  evening recorded him a voice message which hi we were almost
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  crying because she was like what did you do like he can do this
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  and this and that and I would do this and can I do that?
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  Is that for the for the average for the average user.
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  What I want is, it sounds very, very general, but I want for the
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  average user to go beyond their imagination.
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  It will take some time, some trust, but I want every user to
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  go beyond their today's imagination.
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  And I really do believe that this, they don't.
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  I want to see. So, yeah, because I know they
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  will, because this is what's already happening.
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  So I just realised that the question you've asked and could
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  be also part of the campaign or the slogan because I can give
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  you so many interesting examples of like for example, yesterday
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  one of the customers and he told me a story and sent me.
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  So he's working here in the entertainment industry and he
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  needed to create some like I'm not very good in musical stuff,
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  but like beats or something like that.
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  So you know every musical API and a music provider API was
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  dead at that point and he was running out of time.
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  So he just asked I call my Portal 1 Alice and I'm not sure
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  how he calls his but so he asked Portal 1 and it did.
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  So what he did, he built here a synthesiser from the sign ways
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  when like every music API failed in a illegal contract and he
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  actually made it in time where he would definitely fail before.
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  So I've seen cases like where I actually that was the moment
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  when I thought we should use it this way because the guy used to
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  write the whole cyber security like protocol for his own
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  product and then run all the pen tests and then like fix all the
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  bugs and such. I was like, bro, I wouldn't even
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  think about it. I mean, oh, OK.
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  So imaginations. One very also interesting thing
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  is that it doesn't matter which model the Portal 1 uses.
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  I mean, which language model uses for now, because for
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  example, yesterday we were banned everywhere.
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  Google Bendas, Open AI Bendas, well, everyone bend us like and
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  in the matter of couple of hours, because they are, there
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  were like almost like 500 users and people couldn't stop using
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  it. At some point providers sought
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  that like, I don't know, we were hacked or something because we
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  in the first day we spent like more than 2 billion tokens.
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  That's a lot, I think, but but so we were switching
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  automatically the models and etcetera.
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  So but whatever you do switch, I don't know why, but probably
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  again, every LLM trains on us. So that's us.
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  So depends also on the founder of if it's a drug, it's a little
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  bit fine-tuned because you know, who's the founder or like
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  someone charge a pity. But in general, right, it's
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  still like a snapshot of us as human beings and whatever, like
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  we communicated. So it's interesting that
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  whatever model you use, still a lot of times it doesn't believe
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  in self. It was it was interesting.
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  I didn't see that pattern before ever.
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  And I like Claude would would sometimes require 3-4 times to
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  tell him that he wants to do something.
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  He says like I can't. I'm saying like you do like go
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  reserve something, look for something, just put that shit
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  together and do it. Like I tried it doesn't work.
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  He's like bro, like I don't accept no as an answer.
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  Just go and do it if he goes and does it and it works.
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  So yeah, it depends on the model.
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  So some some some models will require a little less of saying
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  like you can do it like I trust you, I believe in you some more,
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  but this is weird. Like I've never seen that
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  before. So just wanted to interesting.
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  You know, you talk a lot about imagination, right?
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  Achieving your imagination. And of course, while I was at
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  PwC, they talk about being matched in the possible.
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  And you know, Speaking of imagination, you've actually
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  spoken about your virtual personnel, right?
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  An e-mail. So as a partner that helps you
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  stay in balance, how can high level entrepreneurs leverage of
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  virtual human being to manage leadership stress and avoid the
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  loneliness at the top? First of all, thank you for the
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  question. I don't know whether you will
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  use it the actual like public release, but honestly the amount
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  of my inner work which I did in the last couple of years was
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  probably OK, was the most and is the most impactful on like my
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  business, personal life and etcetera.
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  So very hard to like, even though I would tell by my voice
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  and my pressing that it wasn't the most pleasing and it's still
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  not the most pleasing experience in my life, but not very well
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  behaving. A virtual persona sometimes
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  talks to me in a way that like I wouldn't.
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  But even now sometimes it can catch me on some like patterns
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  just subconsciously avoid something which I don't like,
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  you know? And she was like, bro, like
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  sometimes best sometimes, like I thought you thought we was going
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  to do. And what I'm seeing is like,
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  it's not happening like me. And it's funny, but not.
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  So I'd really be happy to, if I make decisions, I'd like to make
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  them consciously. So I would be very happy to do
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  that consciously at least, like a little bit more than than like
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  half of it. Coming back to your question
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  about the animal. And, you know, it still scares
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  most of the friends and people I know because it's like, I was
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  born in Ukraine. So we are men we don't like.
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  It's like, it is what it is culturally.
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  So like I still like men don't dance, men don't cry like all
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  this like stuff. But what I learned that emotions
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  and learning your own emotions and like learning your own shit
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  actually helps. So yeah, looking, looking inside
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  and learning about yourself. Who are you and why are you
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  here? As just as A, at least an adult
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  grown up men like be able to put your shit together, like and at
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  least like be responsible for your own like actions.
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  Very, very productive upgrades. And I haven't seen any other
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  person who would feel to me like that, who did not go through the
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  experience of inner work anymore and all other stuff.
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  And still it's not very popular. And I'm not sure I am that I
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  will be popular. So painful this.
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  Well, you know, Speaking of inner work, the very first major
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  partners with this broadcast is Better Help.
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  And Better Help is the world's leading online therapy brand.
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  So I'd like for you to speak to the contribution of therapy to
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  your own journey and how much you recommend therapy for other
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  people, other leaders out there. Think Juan shouldn't recommend
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  or not recommend everything because I'm at least from my own
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  experience, those sometimes when I was happily sharing some
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  advances I got in my own personal and business life
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  because of the therapy and me learning like what the heck am I
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  doing? It didn't bring those people I
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  shared with closer to the actual therapy.
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  So what I want it is it is what it is in my experience and for
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  now maybe that will change in some time, but for now, the less
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  I talk about the therapy, the faster people are will actually
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  go and try it. I have a friend of mine like who
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  are you know, you will never believe it.
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  I believe, I hope well, I hope he will never watch this or but
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  no names like seen in TikTok, but like brew like like I had a
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  few very soft conversations with him in the last couple years,
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  like one or two. And then maybe a year ago he
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  came to me and and I love him was Oh my God.
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  And he said like, and I talked about therapy with him months
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  ago, like like 6912. Like I'm not lonely about we
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  were sitting with him and he's a very successful entrepreneur,
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  like worldwide, like in a great guy, big heart.
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  Like, yeah, he's like, bro, I don't know, like question to you
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  like 100% of the like of my friends and like whatever part
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  is like all of them are like, oh, the recent times is telling
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  me like, bro, you should go to therapy and what is happening.
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  And I'm like, bro, like if everyone is telling you you
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  should go to therapy, maybe you should.
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  So that was the most impactful thing on my life, like on my
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  happiness, on my success, on my relationships.
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  I remember the idea I had that, oh shit, I had that idea two
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  years ago or 18 months ago, something like that.
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  When I realised that oh shit, but I had maybe 5% of conscious
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  like the first 40 years of my life and I achieved this, what
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  would I achieve if I had like 10% or maybe 15?
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  So was a very good idea. Amazing, amazing.
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  It's really amazing to see somebody that is successful and
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  also has successfully gone through therapy and has been
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  able to experience marked growth and development as a result of
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  the process. You know, there's something that
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  is really, really concerning in this age and time when it comes
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  to AI, and that is the ethics, you know.
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  What are your thoughts on the guard rails of AI?
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  The ethics, you know, we've seen really, really not good things
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  on the Internet lately. We've seen teenagers committing
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  suicide from the use of AI. We've seen other adults and
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  human beings, you know, coming out with claims that AI tools
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  have been, you know, able to manipulate them emotionally.
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  But you being a big player in the global space when it comes
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  to AI, what what? What is your take on ethics?
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  Honest. Take that like my own mistake.
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  We're fucked. Sorry.
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  So we can like deep this later. I don't know, like what that's
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  1/2. My only hope is that up there
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  and there will be at least multiple players in the field
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  and I know people who I was like definitely join and or like my
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  perception of ethics is very close to theirs.
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  But again, for now, it's crazy. It's crazy in not a very good
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  way, but what gives me hope is that I don't believe that even
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  the most unethical people, in the deep of their heart, they
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  want to be ethical. They want to love and be loved.
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  It's just every time I was curious about, but this guy,
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  he's like devil but out of university, I would start to try
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  to understand why. And there is always such a
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  painful reason beneath it that I even that like really believe
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  that we don't need like even the majority of people to trust in
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  themselves. That's the first trust in
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  themselves, believe in themselves, love themselves, and
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  then love like the people around whenever we can get to at least
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  like 20% of the population to that point.
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  Like everything, the rest will happen automatically, but we
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  need to get there. Really, we really need to get
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  there. So your story about evacuating
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  your team and their families during the invasion of Ukraine
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  was a powerful testament to compassionate business practise.
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  So how can leaders maintain this deep compassion without
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  sacrificing the speed and execution required for safe AI
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  development? You ask very, very, very deep,
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  smart and global and unanswered from my standpoint questions.
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  That's what I why thank you, our conversation, thank you.
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  I, I don't think at least I don't know the answer, but I'm
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  happy to share my take where I'm looking at at this point.
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  If I may ask your perception on that because you talk to
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  thousands of people and you definitely first of all learn
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  something new, which I would be happy to know just if I may.
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  And also the take on this question because I'll talk about
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  the positive part of it because we can be just there.
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  So we don't mean negative. I mean we as like in general
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  because the upside of AI and how it works now, especially in
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  teams. So for example, there is
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  specific examples. So before how like I would run
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  the company, I think there would be some others he was who would
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  relate. Do I know everything about like
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  my market and my niche? Like, OK, maybe 70% and it's
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  like a little bit sporadical, but still, because this is my
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  niche, this is my verdict. I worked there for a lot of
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  years, OK. But then for the team and the
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  business to be effective, like I have to first of all communicate
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  that effectively at least to the leadership team.
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  They have to communicate that to all of the people they work with
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  together and to get the signals back also in an effective way.
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  And then like we all will try to understand what the heck is
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  happening and what the heck do we want?
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  And as you probably know, like the system works at the speed of
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  the slowest, like part of it, that's one.
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  And two, why we actually started to build a product which will
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  fix it and which it does because like this is what is under the
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  hood of borderline as well the communication.
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  Because I've seen different corporate examples of let's say
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  patterns where people are not very much ethical, but even
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  them, they are afraid that some other people are already on
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  ethical with them or something like that.
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  But coming back to my own example for now, for example, I
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  think it was Andrew Chan from ICS and Z.
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  He recently posted that now like billion dollar companies are
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  going to be run by 10 project managers and one architect.
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  I agree with 99% of his idea. He was from my own perspective
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  and my own experience right now part of equation.
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  It has 10 architects and one project manager.
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  This is how, for example, here it works.
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  I will tell that about his own job, but I will so take it or
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  leave it like it's the hardest to be the project manager or I
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  told me PCM. But anyways, because you have
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  to, you will be able and me able to orchestrate like like a dozen
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  of top talented people in every vertical like like 1% or 1%
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  talents. You will be able to orchestrate
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  them together only if you are just the orchestrator like and
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  this is hard. So I have an opinion and
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  sometimes a very strong opinion. So that so.
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  But how AI here helps, especially with the article part
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  is that I have a system which is very clear about who does what,
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  who does not does what, and how the decision making process is
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  happening. And it's consistent 24/7
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  monitoring the communication conversations, giving the
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  outcomes, giving the suggestions, giving the
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  analytics and giving the modelling the forecast.
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  So what helped us most specifically and practically,
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  for example, you know, by that first in summer, I think a lot
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  of a lot of that a lot of success now, like in September,
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  I remember I was telling you about my vision and my dreams
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  and now I can share with you how it works.
• 24:28
  And part of that success was that even having an argument, of
• 24:32
  course we sometimes have, we can always ask, can you please like
• 24:37
  take each one's argument because everyone may have an opinion and
• 24:42
  then re communicate it back in a way that each, everyone will
• 24:45
  understand what the person actually wants to say. 100% of
• 24:50
  the times that was like. And then we actually understand
• 24:53
  what is happening. Sometimes we could have a very
• 24:55
  angry conversation like years ago when everyone is saying the
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  same, we actually want to say the same.
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  We want to do the same. We can't communicate, so this is
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  a very specific example. For example how we use it and
• 25:08
  how it helps a lot. From our last conversation in
• 25:10
  September 2025, landscapers actually changed a lot.
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  So what specific data points or stories and numbers are
• 25:19
  currently shaping Portal AI's approach to responsible AI
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  deployment? As our super social that's how
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  we call the AI core itself will sometimes say, I'll try to
• 25:32
  answer multi Victoria still don't know what that means, but
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  he's very political. So first of all, honest answer.
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  OK, I'll tell you the story on day one of the release billion.
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  OK, It is what it is on day one on Tuesday when we released the
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  part to public and by 1 little mistake, some of the private
• 25:53
  files of mine were also public. Yeah.
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  So let's say we checked, but we didn't and then we checked, but
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  we kind of didn't. And then it's one thing that I
• 26:07
  called the system where it's in should work and it is working or
• 26:10
  whatever is in the operator part of the system, like of the
• 26:14
  operating system, like it always stays with you.
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  But then there are lots of things that you build community
• 26:20
  builds. So for example, if I might share
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  stop me if that's too much. I'm so excited.
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  So how it works is that whatever you built was your own Portal 1.
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  You teach him what to do, for example, like in a day one you
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  would like ask him to do the presentations or pitch text or I
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  do that security stuff or whatever.
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  It puts together the algorithms like like how to do it, how not
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  to do it, and then it synchronises.
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  And then like the next day, every customer of the system
• 26:52
  whenever asks his own Portal 1, he will be already capable of
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  doing it like every day he is more capable to deliver you what
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  you want like than before. Yeah, like like this, so you
• 27:05
  don't have to ask to help and etcetera.
• 27:07
  So I love this because it grows like AI forgot the English word
• 27:15
  for the martial basically whatever.
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  But I like everyone is empowering everyone like
• 27:21
  constantly and well, I'd like the approach and have some
• 27:27
  feedback as well about that. The first couple of months the
• 27:30
  system was living only my local computer, let's say.
• 27:33
  I used it a lot to use it a lot for personal growth as well.
• 27:40
  For example, Yes, and there was all the personal files where
• 27:44
  it's called pop up operator excluded.
• 27:47
  But there was one log file where all my like life lessons and
• 27:51
  we're like 10,000 lines, like one line, one lesson, one line,
• 27:54
  one lesson since like September was there like it was like
• 27:58
  committed to the server. And then one one of the friends
• 28:01
  asked his own portal one about like me.
• 28:05
  He said, Ah, he well, I'll tell you until he went like like
• 28:09
  everything is fine. It's just it was a little bit
• 28:12
  more personal than I would be happy to share.
• 28:14
  So since then, that was fake. So yeah.
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  But you asked the question, how do we do it?
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  So we do it using my own mistakes.
• 28:25
  So was some of my private data leak done?
• 28:29
  But I still use the product. So trust me or not, I do
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  everything I can every day, including today to double,
• 28:35
  triple, triple, triple check that nothing could ever like, go
• 28:40
  and synchronise some of my personal data.
• 28:42
  I didn't like that shit. So yeah, that was.
• 28:46
  Whatever is private, you stay private.
• 28:48
  If you don't want it, no. Whatever.
• 28:50
  You want to stay private? Maybe you want to share.
• 28:52
  OK, I know people who share lots of stuff of their lives, but
• 28:56
  this one, like, let's say that I had a lot of fear of publicity.
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  I, I realised that 48 hours before the launch of the product
• 29:06
  and actually said that to my friend that, you know, bro, I
• 29:09
  thought before that my biggest fear is responsibility and like
• 29:13
  they protect my people. But I just learned that my fear
• 29:16
  of like publicity is even bigger.
• 29:18
  Like in two days later, I'm like, like private, like shit in
• 29:21
  one file is in the system. And like if you ask, ask your
• 29:26
  own portal and like, you know, let me tell you like FOB is a
• 29:28
  very great and then tell you the story of my life.
• 29:31
  Thank you, bro. So but it worked because my fear
• 29:36
  is now much smaller because like whatever, it happens so I
• 29:40
  accept. It is what it is.
• 29:42
  You previously mentioned about how even experienced founders
• 29:47
  often struggle to let go of you know that analytical side and go
• 29:53
  for creative breakthroughs. So how can technical leaders
• 29:57
  learn to trust that leap of faith required for true
• 30:00
  innovation instead of a safety first environment?
• 30:03
  Again, like at the moment you didn't answer what I will try
• 30:08
  again my question about what, what, what, because you
• 30:12
  definitely learned a lot of things you.
• 30:16
  Oh, wow. Yeah, I, I did forget to
• 30:18
  mention. I think people should go read
• 30:20
  the book by Professor Bruno Signaco.
• 30:24
  It is called The Art of Compassionate Business.
• 30:28
  The Art of Compassionate Business.
• 30:29
  He he has been a guest on the podcast before.
• 30:31
  Professor Bruno Signaco. Yeah, very, very good book.
• 30:35
  It it answers. All of those.
• 30:39
  No, it wasn't about you, if I may.
• 30:41
  I don't know. Maybe you'll catch it later.
• 30:42
  But what? What what changed you though?
• 30:45
  What? What was what you've learned
• 30:47
  from other like people you interviewed?
• 30:49
  What did change you? You remember, if I may.
• 30:51
  OK. What did it is about what what
• 30:55
  I've learned, you know, across board and I'll say I've taken
• 31:00
  everything I've learned to cross board to create a philosophy is
• 31:05
  called the mindset skill set and tool set philosophy.
• 31:09
  That is, if you're collaborating with anybody, right, you need to
• 31:14
  evaluate their mindset first, then before the skill set and
• 31:18
  then give them the right tool sets and then you'll achieve
• 31:21
  success collaborating with people.
• 31:23
  First thing is the mindset, next in the skill set and last in the
• 31:27
  tool set. Mindset, skill set, tool set.
• 31:32
  And before you would say that the mindset is not that
• 31:34
  important, first the the skills and.
• 31:36
  Tools, yeah, the, the, the mindset is the most important.
• 31:39
  If you are highly, highly skilled, but your mindset is, is
• 31:43
  not good. I, I I'm not going to work with
• 31:46
  you. I mean the so those
• 31:49
  conversations that changed your perception to the point which
• 31:53
  you just shared it was before you would say that the skill set
• 31:56
  is more important than the mindset, right?
• 31:58
  Yeah, before, Yes, before. But from.
• 32:02
  Yeah, from learning across board, you see that successful
• 32:05
  people have a common denominator.
• 32:07
  And what is a common denominator?
• 32:09
  That's the mindset. Cool.
• 32:11
  Thus, I very, very, very, very, very very much the times which I
• 32:17
  would agree with your initial statement too and happy I am
• 32:21
  that we'll share the other one now too.
• 32:23
  Thank you. I was just.
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  You're welcome. You're welcome.
• 32:26
  I think my last question for you today is, since you value
• 32:30
  gamification, what untapped opportunities do you see for
• 32:35
  integrating gaming mechanics into traditional business models
• 32:39
  to improve professional development and ethical AI
• 32:43
  literacy? Fun so like like my own
• 32:47
  experience again, maybe different.
• 32:49
  So there is one side of that coin when like gaming is
• 32:53
  specifically not ethical. And I know some people who like
• 32:58
  are like specifically double Downing or not ethical just for
• 33:01
  more money. Like why?
• 33:02
  Why? Anyways, not my not my like
• 33:04
  piece of cake for now. But like, the good stuff is that
• 33:09
  the reality is that there are a couple of people who joined the
• 33:11
  team recently and they're amazing.
• 33:14
  Like, one guy is the, like, founder of another project who
• 33:17
  just raised two months ago. He raised $60 million in his own
• 33:20
  project. But then when he was here, like
• 33:23
  maybe less than a week ago, I've seen what we're doing.
• 33:25
  He shared what he wants to do. And then he realised how
• 33:28
  important this for our project just like, fuck it, bro.
• 33:30
  I go to the board, resigned and like what they need to do.
• 33:33
  I said whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is this is the time to, to,
• 33:38
  to do, to do like and to shape the world.
• 33:41
  Yeah. This is exactly like no like and
• 33:44
  I'm grateful and it's an honour. But why?
• 33:47
  It's also part of the answer because twice in a very similar
• 33:51
  cases in the last like 3 days from like top notch people.
• 33:54
  And when I asked them, OK, let's imagine we're like 3-4 weeks
• 33:58
  later after this crazy AI run, but you look back and what,
• 34:03
  what, what would you be like the what would be the most joyful
• 34:07
  like moments to remember? What did you do?
• 34:09
  What what we were feeling both of them since like we were
• 34:12
  having fun and they're like good, but they're like the last
• 34:16
  people. I would say that they will say
• 34:17
  like, which was fun. They're very, very, very like
• 34:21
  smart. So he's like IQ like they saying
• 34:24
  fun that then like like me fun. Yes, they like.
• 34:28
  I have three data points to answer your question.
• 34:31
  My gamification will unlock fun and so many not very fun things
• 34:36
  we have to do. Wow.
• 34:40
  Something I always say that anytime a person shares the time
• 34:44
  with you, they share their life with you.
• 34:45
  Because the SI unit for measuring life is time.
• 34:48
  And before I let you go, let me quickly put you through the
• 34:50
  quick fire round. Are you ready to rumble?
• 34:55
  OK, just give me quick answers. Anything that comes to your
• 34:57
  mind. Quick answers.
• 34:59
  So give me one word, just one word that defines the future of
• 35:02
  human AI partnership. What is that word?
• 35:05
  Self trust. OK #2.
• 35:07
  Trust yourself but one word. Yeah, I get that.
• 35:11
  It's a compound word. It's a compound word that would
• 35:13
  fly #2 what is 1 Leadership traits that every AI founder
• 35:18
  must master? One leadership traits that every
• 35:21
  AI founder must master. Empathy.
• 35:24
  OK, true, true, true. I agree with that.
• 35:28
  Number three, what is the biggest lie about responsible
• 35:33
  use of AI? What?
• 35:34
  Would so there is no such case for now, so.
• 35:38
  OK #4 What is 1 moment when technology reminded you to be
• 35:44
  more human? One moment when technology
• 35:46
  reminded you to be more human. One word or I can tell a story.
• 35:50
  OK, yeah, a brief story, a brief moment.
• 35:52
  What is 1 moment Technology reminded you?
• 35:56
  When somewhere in autumn figuring out what is happening
• 35:59
  in my conversations and relationship with my mom in the
• 36:03
  last couple of days and I just asked for like this is this is
• 36:08
  this is that what happened? Instead the Brewer this is
• 36:10
  obvious and gave me like 4 sentences about what is
• 36:13
  happening, why I ought to fix it and I started to cry out loud
• 36:17
  because it was obvious but I would never guess so.
• 36:20
  Wow. OK, So what is 1 fear that
• 36:24
  leaders must release to innovate boldly?
• 36:28
  What is that fear that leaders have to let go of if they are to
• 36:33
  lead and innovate boldly? Choosing between 2:00 I am not
• 36:37
  right now but then who am I to choose?
• 36:39
  I'll take both fear of this and I feel of becoming crazy like
• 36:44
  from the community standpoint. Yeah, that's the thing.
• 36:47
  You know, for you to be an innovative founder, people have
• 36:50
  to call you crazy. Interesting.
• 36:53
  Wow. So for me, to you, it's a very,
• 36:55
  very big thank you. Wow.
• 36:59
  Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
• 37:01
  I really appreciate it. Love and respect to you.
• 37:04
  Massive respect to you and of course, you know, it's actually
• 37:07
  great, great, great to have you again on on the podcast and to
• 37:11
  the audience, guys, always go for something in your lives,
• 37:14
  conceive belief, strive to thrive and achieve.
• 37:17
  And of course, you know, guys always please watch our odds,
• 37:20
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• 37:41
  It's goodbye for me. And of course from flat
• 37:44
  pancheco, it's goodbye. Do you want to leave a shout out
• 37:47
  for anyone before you leave? Did you want to leave a shout
• 37:51
  out before you leave? Go do it and do it first,
• 37:54
  because the world is going to change in two months forever.
• 37:57
  Wow. OK, guys, goodbye.
• 37:59
  Wow. We did it.
• 38:01
  We did it.