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Ep. 43 XJ Unibody Stiffening: Do You Really Need It? (Plus SYE Tip) · Jeep Talk Show

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  [MUSIC]
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  It's that time again, XJ
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  Well, thank you very much,
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  Tom recorded me some
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  little voice drops, and
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  So stay tuned for that.
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  Hi, this is Bob from Moab, Utah.
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  I just bought on XJ last week and I was
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  wondering what do you guys think about
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  reinforcing the unibody?
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  I've read some posts that say that's a
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  good idea and I've heard other people say
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  it's not necessary
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  with mine, mine to 2001.
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  I was just wondering
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  what your members thought.
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  Like I said, I joined XJ talk last week.
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  Okay.
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  Thank you.
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  Bye.
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  Hi, this is Steve from
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  4.3LXJ from XJtalk.com.
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  That's kind of a
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  subjective question really.
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  It's not necessary under normal use and
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  unless a person is really collecting the
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  suspension all the way around and getting
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  opposite corners bottom down in the
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  suspension, it's really not necessary.
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  That is not a bad idea.
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  I personally am going to stiffen my own
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  frame, but I do a lot
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  of rock crawling and
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  I do get into a lot of extreme angles and
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  so forth with my own.
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  But I haven't had a problem so far.
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  I've never had any cracks.
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  I've never been able to not open the door
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  when I needed to or anything like that.
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  So it's not something
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  that you have to do.
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  That is something that's maybe not a bad
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  idea if you want to look at it from a
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  preventative standpoint and there are
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  several options available that Tony can
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  address with that.
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  Hi, this is Josh
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  Northwest 99 XJ on the forum.
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  Bob, especially in Moab, Utah, if you're
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  going to be doing any sort of off-roading
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  and whatnot, the unibody is definitely
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  going to be
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  beneficial by being reinforced.
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  You're going to see a lot of improvements
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  in on-road handling
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  as well as performance
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  off-road. The Jeep Cherokee unibody,
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  especially the two doors,
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  I don't know if you have a
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  two door or four door, but the two doors
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  are even more unstable.
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  The unibody not having a true dedicated
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  frame likes to twist and
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  flex as you go off-road
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  with the suspension
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  pushing back up on the body.
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  And as you go on uneven terrain,
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  especially a lot of that
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  slick rock there in Moab, Utah,
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  the XJ can get quite twisted up and you
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  might not notice it
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  until you would maybe put a
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  try and get out and open up the rear
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  hatch to get some
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  recovery gear or something.
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  And lo and behold, you're stuck.
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  The rear hatch won't open.
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  You can't get into the rig.
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  The doors might not seat properly.
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  You might notice they kind of give an
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  extra clunk when you close
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  them and stuff like that.
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  That's the unibody flexing.
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  There's a lot of aftermarket companies
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  out there that are
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  making really good products
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  with the unibody stiffening.
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  And TNT Customs is
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  one that comes to mind.
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  I'm just shooting from the
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  hip here off the top of my head.
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  And there's several other companies out
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  there that make full
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  front to back unibody
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  stiffening kits.
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  Now, most of them are welded in.
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  So you're going to have to have some
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  experience with welding, a little bit of
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  fabrication to get those involved.
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  And there's things like your suspension
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  upgrades that you're
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  going to have to take
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  into consideration either
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  during or after unibody stiffening.
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  When you're when you're thinking about
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  lift kits and things
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  like that, a lot of long
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  kits use a cross member where they may or
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  may not have allowances for unibody
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  stiffening. And because usually a unibody
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  stiffening kit is going to be 3 16s or
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  eighth inch plate that is sandwiched on
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  the unibody frame rails.
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  And I'm going to use that term loosely.
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  All it is is really double, triple
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  thickness 16 gauge sheet
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  metal that is formed to
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  a channel that runs on either side of the
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  Jeep to create a pseudo frame.
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  And these plates get welded
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  up to that from front to rear.
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  And there's there's varying kits that
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  will give you
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  increasing stiffness and things
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  like a rear trailer hitch can even
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  improve your stiffness a little bit.
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  I know when I did my class three hitch in
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  the back of my 99 Cherokee, I noticed it
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  right away, not having a
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  hitch back there before.
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  I could feel the road manners change a
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  little bit, having
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  that that lateral brace
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  from one side of the frame to the other
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  with that trailer hitch back there.
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  So things like, you know, cross members
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  in the front, cross members in the rear
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  can help with with stiffness as well as
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  frame rail stiffness.
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  Things like the TNT Customs frame
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  stiffeners will help a lot.
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  So, Bob, get back to your question.
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  I do think it's a good idea.
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  I do think the benefits way outweigh the
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  cons, which I can't personally think of
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  any cons to stiffening up the unibody
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  other than the time and cost involved and
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  the possibility of you might might not be
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  able to get the, you know, the suspension
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  upgrades that you want if
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  you're looking at a long arm kit.
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  So I would I would highly recommend it.
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  I would look into it.
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  I would do some research, you know,
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  explore some of the
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  kits that are out there,
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  look at what they have to offer, how
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  they're made and what
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  it's going to take to put
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  those in and maybe even talk to some of
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  your local four wheel drive shops or
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  fabricators or welders and see what kind
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  of cost is going to be incurred in trying
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  to install something like that.
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  Now, if you can weld yourself, then go
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  berserk, man, and have fun with it.
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  Jeep tips.
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  And we have Josh, uh, Northwest 99 XJ or
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  NW 99 XJ as you've probably seen on
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  XJ talk.com and Josh has a
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  Jeep tip for us this week.
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  Josh, what do you got?
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  Well, as many of us know, when you start
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  to lift up your Jeep,
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  you got to deal with
• 14:05
  those, uh, dreaded driveline vibrations.
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  And you know, you can do a transfer case
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  drop, but as most of
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  us know, the best way
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  to go about it is a slip yoke eliminator.
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  Uh, and for those of you a little
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  unfamiliar with it,
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  I'll be real quick and
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  say a slip yoke eliminator.
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  What that does is it removes the slip
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  yoke from the transfer case output and
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  moves it to the drive line.
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  Uh, you know, if some people have the
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  horror stories of over flexing their
• 14:32
  suspension and the drive line coming
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  right out of the transfer case, the slip
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  yoke eliminator eliminates the slip yoke
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  in the transfer case.
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  And there's two, there's
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  two methods to do this.
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  Um, there's the, the, the hack and tap
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  method, which I personally have used
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  because I have the NP two 42 transfer
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  case where there is
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  a, there's very limited
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  options, um, for the
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  slip yoke eliminator.
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  Um, and the more common and P two 31 or
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  the NV two 31, uh,
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  which is primarily the,
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  most found transfer case in Jeeps.
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  Um, and how the, uh, the slip yoke
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  eliminator kit kit works is it's a new
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  output shaft.
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  Um, you basically split the case, the
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  transfer case, and you will be putting
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  any different output shaft.
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  A lot of people think, Oh man, there's a
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  lot of gears in there and, and you know,
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  that could be real scary work.
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  Actually it's not, I thought the same
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  thing delving into mine.
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  Um, and, uh, I actually had
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  to replace my output shaft.
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  That's a whole nother story.
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  We'll get into that another day.
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  My God, you didn't bend it.
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  Did you?
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  No, I didn't bend it.
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  Um, there, there's a,
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  Oh, this is the, this is the one where
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  you broke the, the,
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  the, uh, the tap off in it.
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  Yes, sir.
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  And that was quite the ordeal.
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  Okay.
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  I won't, I won't tell, I
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  won't ask anymore about that.
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  That's painful enough just to remember.
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  I saw the picture.
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  Tell me about it.
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  Tell me about it.
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  Yeah.
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  And I also say it was very easy when I
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  did my, uh, S Y E on my end to be two 42.
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  It was a lot easier than I
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  thought it was going to be.
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  Yeah.
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  And I was the same way.
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  Um, once I actually got the transfer case
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  out and got it split apart and started
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  pulling things apart, I was surprised at
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  really how easy things came, you know,
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  as long as you keep track of, of the
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  clips and the order of which you pulled
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  things out and stuff, it's, it's really
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  not that hard, but here's the trick is,
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  is, um, on the newer transfer cases, this
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  is going to be on the newer models, uh,
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  96 and up the, um, there is a seal that
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  goes around the output shaft.
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  And the, the cone on the
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  back of the transfer case.
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  And it's kind of like an axle shaft seal.
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  And it is very, very finicky and it can
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  be nicked or damaged really easy when
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  you're trying to get that cone back onto
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  the back end of that transfer case around
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  the new output shaft, um, it can get
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  damaged kind of easily.
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  And it doesn't take, I'm sorry.
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  It's got a little spring in there, but it
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  does have a little spring and you nick
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  that and that spring comes
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  out and then so does the fluid.
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  Yeah.
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  You can roll that lip.
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  You can, you can bend that spring really
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  easy and that spring is small where, you
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  know, less than what you'd find in a
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  little clicky pen or something like that.
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  So you got to be real careful.
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  A lot of people have had success with,
• 17:07
  Oh, I just, you know,
• 17:08
  goop it up with grease really well and,
• 17:10
  and slide that cone on it and be good.
• 17:12
  And you may have had
• 17:13
  success with that, um, or not.
• 17:15
  What I have found, um, uh, is a really
• 17:18
  good trick to do is
• 17:19
  yeah, the grease works.
• 17:20
  You want to have that handy because
• 17:22
  you're going to use it, but a little bit
• 17:23
  of electrical tape
• 17:24
  around the splined end.
• 17:26
  And you want to make sure that you start
• 17:28
  from the inside of the shaft, working
• 17:31
  your way to the outside, wrapping some
• 17:32
  electrical tape around those splines
• 17:35
  all the way out to the tip.
• 17:37
  And that's the most important part is the
• 17:39
  tip, even though the most of those
• 17:40
  output shafts have a little bit of a
• 17:42
  bevel to them on the end of the splined
• 17:44
  output shaft, um, those
• 17:46
  splines are still pretty sharp.
• 17:47
  The edges are sharp and they can go ahead
• 17:50
  and, and just the slightest little
• 17:52
  will end up spraying transfer case fluid
• 17:54
  all over your undercarriage.
• 17:56
  So the electrical tape will actually help
• 17:58
  protect that output shaft seal from
• 18:01
  getting nicked and the grease, of course,
• 18:03
  once you wrap it up, you're going to
• 18:05
  slather it with grease, but you leave
• 18:07
  yourself a little tab, um, you know, all
• 18:09
  the way out to the end of the shaft.
• 18:11
  And we're only talking, you know, maybe
• 18:12
  two or three inches worth of electrical
• 18:14
  tape, uh, you know, wrapped around two or
• 18:16
  three inches of, of, of shaft, I should
• 18:18
  say, um, but the electrical tape will go
• 18:20
  all the way to the end.
• 18:21
  Leave yourself a little bit that you can
• 18:22
  grab onto at the end.
• 18:24
  And it's important to go from the inside
• 18:26
  to the outside because once you grab,
• 18:28
  once you're all reassembled and you know,
• 18:31
  you've got the electrical tape on, you've
• 18:32
  slathered everything down with grease.
• 18:34
  You've got your output shaft cone, um,
• 18:36
  you know, your, your
• 18:36
  rear seal put back on
• 18:38
  and everything, um, you go ahead and you
• 18:40
  start to remove that, that tape and it
• 18:42
  will just pull right off, especially
• 18:44
  being all greased and that seal will be
• 18:47
  protected and it will collapse right down
• 18:49
  onto the output shaft in absolute
• 18:51
  perfect shape.
• 18:51
  Oh, that's a great idea.
• 18:52
  I went through probably three of them and
• 18:55
  I think, um, I, I had, uh, transfer
• 18:58
  case problems because I was always
• 19:00
  running low on fluid because of that, uh,
• 19:02
  that issue.
• 19:03
  Yeah.
• 19:03
  I, uh, after I did my first one, I
• 19:06
  thought I had it right.
• 19:07
  I, you know, I thought, you know, I, I
• 19:09
  put so much grease on there.
• 19:10
  There's no way this thing
• 19:11
  would have been damaged.
• 19:12
  And, uh, honestly, after I had taken it
• 19:14
  back out, um, it was hard to see where
• 19:18
  it was going to need damage, but I was
• 19:19
  driving home, uh, one day, and it was, I
• 19:21
  just, you know, I had done the repair,
• 19:23
  the, the, the slip, you'll colliminate
• 19:25
  or the night before, went to work the
• 19:26
  next day driving home.
• 19:28
  And I'm noticing this giant mist of smoke
• 19:31
  and spray behind me as I'm driving
• 19:33
  down the freeway, what the heck is that?
• 19:35
  And I get home thinking, you know, the
• 19:37
  worst that I've, you know, I've blown,
• 19:38
  uh, you know, uh, you know, something in
• 19:41
  the engine or something like that.
• 19:42
  And I climb underneath and the entire
• 19:44
  undercarriage just absolutely coated in
• 19:46
  transmission, or, you know, in the
• 19:48
  transfer case fluid.
• 19:49
  Yeah.
• 19:49
  And it's from the transfer case back,
• 19:51
  which is, which is a good sign for the
• 19:53
  motor and the transmission, but a bad
• 19:55
  sign for the transfer case.
• 19:58
  I mean, luckily, uh, you
• 19:59
  know, I didn't lose all that much.
• 20:01
  Um, you know, I didn't, I didn't run it
• 20:03
  dry or anything like that.
• 20:04
  So, um, I was able to, um, to get home
• 20:07
  and, and there was still, you know,
• 20:08
  plenty of fluid left in there.
• 20:09
  You'd be surprised at how, how much a
• 20:11
  little bit of fluid will coat, how
• 20:13
  much undercarriage and, and of course,
• 20:14
  spraying all over the, you know, the
• 20:16
  hot muffler and exhaust and stuff.
• 20:18
  It creates quite a bit of smoke too.
• 20:19
  Right.
• 20:20
  And everybody needs to understand that it
• 20:22
  doesn't matter if you're in four-wheel
• 20:23
  drive or not, if you're in a 240, uh,
• 20:26
  running a 242, of course, you can be
• 20:28
  doing it down the road and a full-time
• 20:30
  four-wheel drive, uh, and certainly,
• 20:32
  uh, part-time for the 231 or the 242.
• 20:35
  But, uh, what you may not understand is
• 20:38
  those parts in the transfer case
• 20:41
  are always turning.
• 20:43
  It doesn't matter if you're in two-wheel
• 20:44
  drive or four-wheel drive.
• 20:46
  So you need that fluid in there.
• 20:48
  So don't think, Oh
• 20:50
  yeah, I'm leaking fluid.
• 20:51
  I'll worry about this later.
• 20:52
  I'll worry about getting a checking it,
• 20:54
  filling it up, blah, blah, blah.
• 20:56
  No, it's, it affects
• 20:57
  you if the Jeep is moving.
• 20:59
  And you don't have to have a lift kit to,
• 21:01
  you know, have a, you know, transfer
• 21:02
  case issues or have to worry about
• 21:04
  replacing that output shaft seal.
• 21:05
  Some of you guys run in stock vehicles
• 21:07
  that may have higher miles.
• 21:09
  You know, those output seals can wear out
• 21:11
  over time, especially, you know,
• 21:13
  in some of the saltier climates, uh,
• 21:15
  people living by the coast or where
• 21:16
  they salt the roads, those seals might
• 21:18
  wear out a little bit faster.
• 21:19
  And you know, you might find that, uh,
• 21:21
  it'd be time to replace that seal.
• 21:23
  It is something you can do yourself.
• 21:25
  Um, it's a little bit more involved than
• 21:27
  changing your oil, but you know, if you,
• 21:30
  uh, if you're used to wrenching on a
• 21:31
  vehicle, especially a Jeep, um, it's
• 21:33
  really not all that entailed.
• 21:35
  Now you mentioned, uh,
• 21:36
  driveline vibrations.
• 21:38
  Why would a SYE kit, uh, have anything to
• 21:42
  do with improving driveline vibrations?
• 21:44
  Well, as, uh, uh, some of you may know,
• 21:47
  um, the stock driveline, um, uh, it's,
• 21:50
  it's, it's not, it's not
• 21:53
  set up for high angles.
• 21:54
  Um, and so when you start lifting the
• 21:57
  vehicle up, you're increasing the
• 21:59
  driveline angle in relation
• 22:01
  to the pinion at the rear axle.
• 22:03
  And of course, where that driveline meets
• 22:05
  the output shaft of the,
• 22:08
  um, going to a slip yoke eliminator, you
• 22:12
  then upgrade your drive shaft to a double
• 22:14
  card in or CV joint drive shaft.
• 22:17
  And what that enables you to do is run a
• 22:19
  steeper driveline angle as the, you know,
• 22:22
  the more lift you go, the higher you get
• 22:24
  up away from that rear axle.
• 22:26
  They remember that that transfer case is
• 22:28
  right up there next to the body.
• 22:30
  And the more lift you have, the further
• 22:32
  away that body gets from that rear axle.
• 22:34
  And, um, a lot of guys can get away with
• 22:36
  it by throwing a couple, you know,
• 22:38
  degree shims in, in that rear axle
• 22:40
  underneath the leafs and helping point
• 22:42
  that rear pinion back up towards the
• 22:44
  transfer case, which I recommend doing
• 22:45
  in any case, um, because, uh, you know,
• 22:48
  that just takes that much less, that
• 22:50
  much more stress off of those U joints,
• 22:52
  uh, down by the, uh, by the axle.
• 22:55
  But, um, when you start lifting the
• 22:56
  vehicle with that stock, uh, stock
• 22:58
  drive shaft, um, especially in the older
• 23:00
  models, a lot of guys, you know,
• 23:01
  it looks like a stick in a coffee can.
• 23:03
  Um, it's not set up for those steep
• 23:05
  angles of a lifted Jeep.
• 23:07
  And, and those vibrations can occur
• 23:09
  because basically what's happening
• 23:11
  is that those U joints, those joints
• 23:13
  inside of those, um, inside those
• 23:15
  yokes are basically bottoming out.
• 23:17
  And, and it's, it's so stressed out.
• 23:20
  It's basically, you know, hyper flexing
• 23:22
  or hyper extending those joints.
• 23:24
  And so every time that that drive line
• 23:26
  goes around in a rotation, you're
• 23:28
  bottoming out on one of those U joints
• 23:30
  and inside, inside that yoke.
• 23:31
  And those were the
• 23:32
  vibrations are coming from.
• 23:34
  And also too, that would, uh, I guess
• 23:35
  that would mean that the
• 23:37
  U joints will wear out quicker.
• 23:38
  Absolutely.
• 23:40
  So I don't understand if you, if you
• 23:42
  change, you put the slip yoke on the,
• 23:44
  the, the rear of the transfer case,
• 23:47
  there's a drive shaft in front.
• 23:49
  Don't you have to
• 23:50
  modify that one as well?
• 23:52
  No, you don't because the output shaft of
• 23:55
  the, um, NV or the end, uh,
• 23:57
  MP transfer cases as new
• 23:59
  venture or new process.
• 24:00
  That's what most of the transfer cases we
• 24:02
  have, um, in our Jeeps, um,
• 24:04
  primarily the NP two 31 or the two 42,
• 24:08
  uh, the two 49s, I believe were found
• 24:11
  in the grand Cherokees.
• 24:13
  Um, those were the, you know, all wheel
• 24:14
  drive all the time, but all these, uh,
• 24:16
  transfer cases have a fixed
• 24:19
  yoke output, um, for the front.
• 24:21
  And so you have, um, the, the double card
• 24:24
  and style, uh, drive shaft for the
• 24:27
  front of the vehicle and oftentimes what
• 24:29
  guys will do, um, even in my case,
• 24:32
  uh, you go to a junkyard, you search
• 24:34
  around, you find a front drive shaft
• 24:36
  because it's set up for what you're going
• 24:38
  to be doing in the rear.
• 24:40
  Um, and a lot of guys will be running a
• 24:42
  front drive shaft out of a Cherokee
• 24:44
  for their rear drive line after they do a
• 24:46
  slip yoke eliminator.
• 24:47
  Which I guess means that you
• 24:49
  now have a spare drive shaft.
• 24:51
  So if you end up breaking a U joint or,
• 24:54
  you know, worse, twisting up a drive
• 24:55
  shaft or bending it up on the trail, um,
• 24:58
  you know, you're looking to not being
• 25:00
  able to get home. Um, and so you would be
• 25:02
  able to just unbolt your front drive
• 25:05
  shaft, put it in the rear and limp your
• 25:07
  way home. And while it wouldn't be
• 25:08
  limping, you'd be able to get down off
• 25:10
  the trail and drive around in regular
• 25:11
  two wheel drive.
• 25:13
  Oh, that's great.
• 25:13
  That's, it's nice having spares on the,
• 25:15
  on the Jeep like that.
• 25:16
  And I guess technically you could, uh,
• 25:18
  you could drive home and a four wheel
• 25:19
  drive, it would be a front wheel drive,
• 25:21
  which is the popular thing that, uh, all
• 25:24
  manufacturers seem to
• 25:25
  be making now anyway.
• 25:26
  So I hate front wheel drives, but, uh,
• 25:30
  well that's, that's really cool.
• 25:31
  So, uh, have you, have you seen any
• 25:34
  downsides to, uh, the, the hack and tap
• 25:36
  method? I know I'm not a
• 25:38
  big fan of the hack and tap.
• 25:40
  Um, there once you get into, you know,
• 25:42
  bigger lifts and especially bigger tires,
• 25:45
  um, you get into those gear ratios, you
• 25:47
  know, um, you know, like four
• 25:49
  eighty eights and five, 18's, I think
• 25:51
  would be the next step up from that.
• 25:53
  Um, you know, you're, there's a lot of
• 25:55
  torque that's applied on things in there.
• 25:57
  When you're getting up into maybe 35s and
• 25:59
  above, uh, you know, you're, you're,
• 26:02
  you're flirting a little
• 26:04
  bit with, with danger on that.
• 26:05
  I have heard of guys that have been
• 26:07
  running the hack and tap successfully
• 26:09
  doing extreme, uh, four wheeling with
• 26:12
  these, with the hack and tap running
• 26:14
  33s, running 35s and, and
• 26:17
  for years being just fine.
• 26:18
  Um, you know, it's, it's going to really
• 26:21
  come down to, I think, um, your,
• 26:23
  your driving style, how
• 26:24
  hard you are off road.
• 26:26
  Uh, I think the biggest thing to stay
• 26:28
  away from with a hack and tap would be a
• 26:30
  high angle bounce where your front end is
• 26:32
  way up in the air and you're climbing
• 26:35
  over a very steep obstacle.
• 26:37
  You're running very deep gears.
• 26:38
  You've got big tires.
• 26:40
  We're talking 35s or larger, and you're
• 26:42
  trying to climb this face of an obstacle
• 26:45
  and your Jeep is doing
• 26:46
  that bouncing up and down.
• 26:47
  You're, you're really, you know, trying
• 26:49
  to, you're going to be wrapping up that,
• 26:51
  that rear axle against the suspension and
• 26:53
  of course the drive line and what's,
• 26:55
  you know, it's connected at
• 26:56
  the end of the drive line.
• 26:57
  Well, you're slippery oak
• 26:58
  eliminator to the transfer case.
• 27:00
  I'm not saying it's a weak point.
• 27:01
  You know, oftentimes a U joint, um, strap
• 27:04
  is going to pop before your,
• 27:05
  your hack and tap would,
• 27:06
  um, because especially it's,
• 27:08
  it's secured with grade eight hardware,
• 27:10
  um, more times than not,
• 27:11
  at least it should be.
• 27:12
  Um, but it could
• 27:14
  theoretically be a weak point.
• 27:16
  I do know there are guys out there
• 27:17
  running them and
• 27:18
  they're running them hard
• 27:19
  and they last, but, um, ultimately the
• 27:22
  best solution would be a short shaft
• 27:25
  at replacing that output shaft with a
• 27:26
  fixed yoke style for the silky oak
• 27:28
  eliminator coming out of the
• 27:30
  rear output of a transfer case.
• 27:31
  Yeah.
• 27:32
  And that's what I went with, which was,
• 27:33
  uh, uh, the Tom Woods, uh, solution
• 27:36
  for my MP two 42 and it's, it's
• 27:39
  absolutely wonderful, but it required a,
• 27:42
  uh, custom drive shaft and, uh, the, uh,
• 27:46
  the short, you have to replace the,
• 27:48
  the tail cone and you replace the shaft
• 27:50
  and it's very nice, but, uh, it's,
• 27:53
  it's very expensive.
• 27:54
  I think it was four 75 after I sent back
• 27:56
  all the, uh, the other parts, the core.
• 27:59
  They do require a core on that, on that
• 28:02
  particular kit, don't they?
• 28:03
  Yes.
• 28:04
  Well, it's interesting cause I spoke with
• 28:07
  one of the people there at Tom Woods and,
• 28:10
  that you would, you would be really
• 28:12
  surprised how many people do not send
• 28:15
  the cores so they literally are sitting
• 28:17
  on $400 worth of, uh, of refund.
• 28:20
  So, yeah, because you'll be out of
• 28:22
  pocket, you know,
• 28:23
  about 800 some odd dollars
• 28:24
  initially, but you get a big chunk of
• 28:26
  that back sending in the core.
• 28:27
  Yeah.
• 28:28
  It's, it's a hard, it's a hard purchase
• 28:29
  to make unless you have lots of credit
• 28:31
  on your credit card, uh, cause it's,
• 28:33
  it's, it was like $900 upfront.
• 28:36
  And, um, but like I say,
• 28:37
  you get about 400 back.
• 28:39
  That's the, the MP two 42 is a little
• 28:41
  more expensive than, than their 231, uh,
• 28:43
  solution, but, uh, yeah, I was just going
• 28:46
  to say too, you know, a lot of people get
• 28:48
  away with a lot of things that are, are,
• 28:50
  are, uh, what is common do not do, uh, in
• 28:55
  the Jeep knowledge database, like run a
• 28:57
  Dana 35, which I noticed Steve, uh, 4.3
• 29:00
  LXJ runs a Dana 35 and he just went off
• 29:04
  road last weekend and he's fine.
• 29:06
  Uh, it all has to do
• 29:07
  with skinny pebble pebble.
• 29:09
  Skinny pedal folks, you know, being smart
• 29:13
  about things and choosing your trail and,
• 29:15
  uh, you know, driving skills is what it
• 29:17
  amounts to, but, uh, uh, I'm just glad I
• 29:20
  have a, uh, an eight and a quarter on the
• 29:22
  back of mine and I don't, uh, to me,
• 29:24
  it's one less worry,
• 29:26
  less skill I have to have.
• 29:27
  Yeah.
• 29:30
  So, uh, anyway, it sounds like an S Y E
• 29:32
  is a, is a good idea.
• 29:34
  And, uh, I was asking that question about
• 29:37
  the front because I know some people
• 29:38
  would, uh, that aren't knowledgeable in
• 29:40
  the area would say, okay, well that's
• 29:42
  fine, I got the front
• 29:43
  taken care of what I do.
• 29:44
  I mean, I've got the rear end taken care
• 29:46
  of what I do about the front.
• 29:47
  I personally don't fully understand why
• 29:50
  they went to the time and expense of
• 29:52
  doing a, uh, the, the slip yoke being
• 29:55
  inside the drive shaft on the front.
• 29:58
  And they didn't do the
• 29:59
  same thing in the back.
• 30:02
  Yeah.
• 30:02
  It makes no sense at all.
• 30:03
  I mean, you're already doing it on the
• 30:05
  front, the technology's there.
• 30:06
  It's obviously proven, uh, you know, why
• 30:09
  not do it in the rear?
• 30:10
  Uh, and I just don't, I don't understand.
• 30:12
  You know, it had to be a 59 cent savings
• 30:15
  on the line or something.
• 30:17
  That's what it was.
• 30:17
  I'm sure, I'm sure if we got right down
• 30:19
  to the, the, the meat of the matter,
• 30:21
  that it would make plenty of sense as the
• 30:23
  reason why they did it.
• 30:24
  Uh, but to, to somebody that is lifting
• 30:26
  the Jeep and taking it off road,
• 30:28
  it would be, it's been so nice if they
• 30:29
  have just, has it stunned the back
• 30:32
  drive shaft, just
• 30:33
  like they did the front.
• 30:34
  And one other thing that you didn't
• 30:35
  mention is the really nice thing is,
• 30:38
  is that if you do break something in the
• 30:40
  rear, the drive shaft, uh, anything
• 30:42
  that this disables the drive line from
• 30:44
  the transfer case back to the axle,
• 30:47
  you can take that drive shaft out and you
• 30:49
  don't have to worry about leaking
• 30:51
  fluid because you know, you got that yoke
• 30:54
  on there, just like you have on
• 30:55
  the front of your transfer case, and it
• 30:57
  will be perfectly fine.
• 30:58
  It'll just spin.
• 30:59
  It's spin while you're driving along and
• 31:01
  it's not going to be spraying
• 31:02
  out to transfer case fluid.
• 31:04
  So it's a wonderful, because the stock
• 31:07
  setup, it does, I mean, the, the,
• 31:09
  the stock setup makes it so that the,
• 31:11
  the, the output shaft is, is essentially
• 31:13
  hollow, uh, going right into the transfer
• 31:16
  case and your drive line slides in and
• 31:17
  out of that and you lose that drive line
• 31:20
  stock, uh, with, you know, no slip
• 31:22
  yoke eliminator, you're on the trail,
• 31:24
  you're going to be leaking fluid all day
• 31:25
  long and that's not only bad for the
• 31:27
  engine, but it's also our bad for the
• 31:29
  transfer case. Rather. It's also bad for
• 31:31
  the environment. Uh, you know,
• 31:32
  you don't need to be
• 31:32
  spilling fluids out on the trails.
• 31:34
  So with the Slippy Oak eliminator, it
• 31:36
  seals that transfer case up button tight.
• 31:39
  And you worst case, narrow,
• 31:40
  you do break a drive shaft. Um,
• 31:43
  you're not going to be stranded and
• 31:44
  you're not going to be leaking fluids.
• 31:46
  Right. And even if you're not a big
• 31:48
  environmentalist, uh,
• 31:49
  I'm not big on the environment, but I am
• 31:52
  big on them closing trails.
• 31:54
  Yes.
• 31:55
  So keep that in mind that even if you
• 31:57
  don't think, Oh, what do I care?
• 31:59
  Well, if they, if they close the trail
• 32:00
  and you can't go out there and play,
• 32:02
  then then maybe you would.
• 32:03
  Yeah. I'm not a, what you'd call a huge
• 32:05
  environmentalist either,
• 32:06
  but I like having the trails open and
• 32:08
  the, you know, the
• 32:09
  more that we can do as a,
• 32:10
  as a community, as Jeep owners to keep
• 32:12
  those trails open, the better.
• 32:13
  And if that means making sure we're not
• 32:15
  spilling fluids on the trail,
• 32:16
  then so be it.
• 32:17
  Yeah. I have no problem with people with
• 32:19
  tree huggers, but, uh, I remember I took
• 32:21
  a poop in the woods one time and lit,
• 32:23
  had to lean against the tree and I had a
• 32:24
  rash for a good three weeks.
• 32:25
  So I don't know, I
• 32:27
  don't know how they do it.
• 32:29
  Well, Josh, thanks a lot
• 32:30
  for this week's Jeep tip.
• 32:32
  Absolutely. Thanks Tony.
• 32:33
  And now for a disclaimer, Jeep tips for
• 32:35
  entertainment purposes only.
• 32:37
  If you choose to follow these tips,
• 32:39
  man up and take the
• 32:40
  responsibility for your own actions.
• 32:42
  If you cannot, or you feel that working
• 32:44
  on your Jeep is beyond your abilities,
• 32:46
  seek the help or advice of a
• 32:48
  trained certified mechanic.
• 33:19
  Hi tonight we have Dan Jeep in Idaho from
• 33:23
  XJ talk.com and a
• 33:25
  host of the four by four
• 33:27
  podcast. Hey Dan, thanks for joining us
• 33:30
  tonight. And then doing this interview.
• 33:32
  Hey, my pleasure. Any
• 33:34
  chance I get to, uh,
• 33:36
  sit down with somebody and talk about
• 33:37
  Jeeps is a, it's a pleasure.
• 33:39
  Yeah. Interesting. Interestingly,
• 33:41
  I found out today that Dan is in the army
• 33:45
  and he's out in the Mojave desert right
• 33:47
  now talking on his
• 33:49
  cell phone through Skype.
• 33:50
  So if it sounds a little funky,
• 33:53
  it actually sounds a lot better than it
• 33:54
  would be if it was a cell call.
• 33:56
  And Dan's going the extra mile
• 33:58
  to do this interview with us.
• 33:59
  So I'm very happy that he's able to do
• 34:02
  that. Uh, first off, Dan,
• 34:04
  is it hot out there?
• 34:05
  You know, it's actually,
• 34:07
  it's been a very nice day today.
• 34:09
  I think it may have just barely broke 90
• 34:11
  degrees. Um, usually like two days ago,
• 34:14
  I was getting a nice hot wind.
• 34:17
  I call that the blow dryer.
• 34:19
  Yeah. It's like sticking your head in
• 34:21
  front of a blow dryer.
• 34:23
  That's really all it is.
• 34:24
  You can't even cool off.
• 34:26
  Now I think it's cooled off to about 80
• 34:28
  degrees, 82 feels nice.
• 34:30
  Well, you know, it's, it's the
• 34:32
  differences that you notice.
• 34:34
  If it's like three inches from the
• 34:35
  surface of the sun and now it's 80,
• 34:37
  then you know, you're
• 34:39
  thankful for what you can get.
• 34:40
  Yeah. A week and a half
• 34:41
  ago is like 115 out here.
• 34:43
  So this is a welcome change.
• 34:46
  So Dan, I recently became aware of, uh,
• 34:48
  of your podcast. I was, uh, uh,
• 34:50
  looking around through, I think I was,
• 34:52
  uh, I think I actually
• 34:53
  saw it on, on beyond,
• 34:54
  uh, beyond pod, uh, the lab vacation. And
• 34:57
  I was doing searches for things.
• 34:59
  And I went, wow, look at,
• 34:59
  look at this. It's a, uh, uh,
• 35:01
  a four by four podcast and I added it
• 35:03
  and, uh, uh, started listening.
• 35:06
  And then, uh, I can't remember. I think I
• 35:08
  saw you on Facebook and, uh,
• 35:11
  you were amenable to
• 35:12
  doing a, uh, an interview.
• 35:14
  I also want to do a little across a
• 35:16
  podcast pollination, so to speak.
• 35:18
  And I thought that was great. Uh,
• 35:20
  it was wonderful to run across somebody
• 35:23
  that was doing basically the same thing I
• 35:24
  was doing. Although your show is more of
• 35:27
  a, a wide range, uh,
• 35:29
  and as by the name four by four, which
• 35:32
  covers a lot of ground,
• 35:33
  whereas we kind of focus on just the, uh,
• 35:36
  the Jeep Cherokee here.
• 35:37
  So, uh, how did you
• 35:38
  get started with that?
• 35:39
  Well, uh, I, I, at the time I
• 35:42
  was living in South Korea, um,
• 35:44
  my army duties had taken me over there
• 35:46
  and I was there for three years.
• 35:48
  And after about two years,
• 35:50
  I got tired of being disconnected from my
• 35:53
  Jeep and from the off-roading
• 35:55
  community. So I decided, you know what,
• 35:57
  I've been thinking about starting a
• 35:59
  podcast. I listened to a ton of them.
• 36:01
  And I know that once I get
• 36:03
  back to the United States,
• 36:04
  I'd appreciate being able to listen to an
• 36:06
  off-roading and adventure travel type
• 36:08
  podcast, uh,
• 36:10
  as I'm driving across the country for
• 36:12
  whatever it is that I'm doing.
• 36:14
  And I figure I'm
• 36:15
  probably not the only one.
• 36:16
  So I went ahead and put together the four
• 36:19
  by four podcast and got my brother on
• 36:21
  to co-host it. And since then,
• 36:24
  it's been just a great adventure meeting
• 36:26
  all kinds of great people.
• 36:29
  Met a lot of great people in the industry
• 36:31
  and a lot of great manufacturers
• 36:33
  sharing their, their products. And it's
• 36:35
  just been a great time. We just,
• 36:37
  just crossed the one year anniversary. So
• 36:40
  it's been a lot of fun.
• 36:42
  That's great. And you mentioned adventure
• 36:44
  a couple of times there. And gee whiz,
• 36:46
  if I was in South Korea,
• 36:48
  it certainly would go under the heading
• 36:50
  of, uh, of adventure to me. Now, uh,
• 36:53
  you said you're away from the four by
• 36:55
  fouring and whatnot.
• 36:56
  Isn't there like an H one or something
• 36:58
  you can take out across, uh, uh,
• 37:00
  North Korea? I mean, being very careful
• 37:01
  not to wander in, uh, in South Korea.
• 37:05
  And I didn't want to
• 37:06
  wander to North Korea,
• 37:07
  but surely there's something you can do
• 37:09
  out there in South Korea. Isn't there?
• 37:11
  Oh yes. Uh, now I'm not with my vehicle,
• 37:13
  but you're right. At the time I was in
• 37:16
  command. So I had access to
• 37:18
  a lot of military vehicles.
• 37:20
  And if you actually go to the four by
• 37:21
  four podcast.com, uh, on the,
• 37:25
  one of the menus is my little profile and
• 37:28
  tells a little bit about me.
• 37:29
  And there's some videos of doing some
• 37:31
  off-road driver training and mounted land
• 37:34
  navigation type things. And you know,
• 37:36
  you can see kind of what off-roading is
• 37:38
  like a real military vehicle instead of
• 37:41
  just the derivative Jeeps
• 37:43
  that we drive around today.
• 37:45
  Now that's one vehicle that, uh,
• 37:47
  as far as a Hummer goes that I've never
• 37:49
  made made fun of is the military Hummer
• 37:51
  because to me, uh, that is,
• 37:54
  uh, all of an off-road vehicle.
• 37:56
  What's your estimation of it?
• 37:58
  Well, you know, it's,
• 37:59
  it's really good. Um,
• 38:01
  but it's just like any
• 38:02
  other off-road vehicle. It,
• 38:04
  it depends on the driver, uh, in the
• 38:06
  hands of a really good driver,
• 38:07
  you can do some just phenomenal things
• 38:10
  with that Humvee. Uh,
• 38:11
  but in a hands of a new soldier that
• 38:14
  doesn't know what they're doing,
• 38:15
  doesn't know how to do left foot braking
• 38:18
  and how to actually engage the, uh,
• 38:20
  the lockers that are in
• 38:21
  the vehicle, you know,
• 38:23
  it all comes down to the driver. So.
• 38:26
  Well, it certainly is a very unique
• 38:27
  looking vehicle. Uh,
• 38:29
  unlike the, uh, the H2.
• 38:31
  Now I kind of like the H3 it's, it's kind
• 38:33
  of Cherokee looking, but, um,
• 38:36
  it's still got some issues with
• 38:37
  visibility. It's got a
• 38:38
  real high belt line. Um,
• 38:40
  and that's, that's not what it is with a
• 38:42
  lot of the newer off-road vehicles,
• 38:44
  like the FJ cruiser that
• 38:45
  has the same issue. You know,
• 38:46
  it's just limited visibility. And the
• 38:49
  same thing with the
• 38:50
  Humvee military Humvee,
• 38:51
  man, unless you've got the doors off, you
• 38:52
  can't see anything out the back.
• 38:54
  Well, would part of that
• 38:55
  be just to protect the, uh,
• 38:57
  the soldier inside or is it
• 38:58
  just the way it's designed?
• 39:00
  Uh, I think it's just kind
• 39:02
  of the way it's designed.
• 39:02
  There's really no consideration of
• 39:05
  creature comfort or anything like that.
• 39:07
  Um, it was very utilitarian and there's
• 39:10
  20 or 30 different variants of the Humvee
• 39:13
  now. And the newer ones that
• 39:15
  are actually up armored, yeah,
• 39:17
  the visibility is an issue because you're
• 39:19
  covered in armor, but even the older
• 39:21
  ones, you know, if you take
• 39:23
  the top off, the doors off,
• 39:25
  it's still pretty limited just because of
• 39:26
  the way it's designed.
• 39:28
  And how is it approaching,
• 39:30
  uh, obstacles in the, uh,
• 39:32
  the Humvee with the 50 caliber on top? I
• 39:35
  would think that would make,
• 39:36
  make it make you feel a little bit
• 39:37
  better. Cause if it really messes it up,
• 39:39
  you can always take the
• 39:40
  gun, the main gun to it.
• 39:42
  Yeah. Yeah. You can do a
• 39:44
  lot of damage with the 50 cal.
• 39:47
  You get to do the depleted uranium rounds
• 39:50
  or is it just your standard, uh,
• 39:51
  big bullet?
• 39:52
  You know, mostly it's just
• 39:53
  a big lead round. You know,
• 39:55
  the depleted uranium ones are kind of
• 39:57
  rare. The armor piercing, but, uh,
• 40:00
  well, I guess, I
• 40:00
  guess in, in South Korea,
• 40:02
  you really don't want to be
• 40:03
  firing off guns that much.
• 40:05
  So that's true. You know, one of the
• 40:07
  funny thing is a lot
• 40:08
  of people don't know,
• 40:09
  a lot of the training areas
• 40:11
  are very close to the DMZ.
• 40:13
  And you know,
• 40:14
  I've been on some ranges where you can
• 40:16
  stand on top of the hill and see the,
• 40:18
  the markers for the
• 40:19
  military demarcation line.
• 40:21
  So you're that close and some of the
• 40:23
  ranges you can't even fire.
• 40:25
  Live 50 cal rounds because of the range,
• 40:28
  it just takes one ricocheting it's gone
• 40:30
  over the border and you've created an
• 40:32
  international incident.
• 40:33
  Right. You know what they'll do.
• 40:35
  They have plastic 50 cal bullets. Okay.
• 40:38
  So the range is limited because it's a
• 40:40
  real light round and very inaccurate,
• 40:43
  but I guess it still gets
• 40:44
  the, the feel of firing around.
• 40:46
  Yeah. I would imagine that's
• 40:47
  a quite a jolt, uh, from the,
• 40:49
  just the sound and the, the, uh,
• 40:53
  base type stuff hitting your chest. So I
• 40:55
  could, it would be, to me,
• 40:57
  it would be a little nerve
• 40:57
  wracking at least at first,
• 40:59
  just being that close to that
• 41:01
  much danger because you don't,
• 41:03
  you never know when the, when it's going
• 41:05
  to hit the fan. And, uh,
• 41:07
  I kinda stopped thinking
• 41:09
  about it after, you know,
• 41:10
  well you get used to it.
• 41:12
  Yeah.
• 41:13
  The actual combat areas where I know I'm
• 41:14
  being shot at. Yeah.
• 41:16
  I'm sure it's like
• 41:17
  anything. You just, uh,
• 41:18
  you just accept the way it is and you're
• 41:21
  okay now and you'll probably be okay.
• 41:23
  Later. And if not, you'll just deal with
• 41:25
  it as the situation comes up.
• 41:26
  But we all deal with things
• 41:28
  that, uh, as best we can, uh,
• 41:30
  in stressful situations. So yeah. And as
• 41:32
  I, and as I told you,
• 41:33
  and as I told you in the email,
• 41:35
  I did want to thank you very much for
• 41:36
  your service to the country.
• 41:37
  It's very important to me. I, uh,
• 41:39
  I was a kid during the Vietnam war and I
• 41:42
  never agreed then or now how they were
• 41:45
  treated. And, uh, I'm
• 41:46
  glad to see that, um, uh,
• 41:48
  both political parties are trying to
• 41:50
  treat our soldiers. Um,
• 41:52
  at least in, at least verbally, they're
• 41:55
  trying to treat them right.
• 41:56
  I don't necessarily
• 41:57
  think that cutting, uh,
• 41:58
  military funding and stuff is a good
• 42:00
  thing, but there you go.
• 42:01
  Yeah. It is totally my pleasure. I really
• 42:04
  enjoy my job. You know,
• 42:06
  despite, you know,
• 42:07
  being sent out to the middle of the
• 42:09
  desert for however long,
• 42:11
  there's still a lot of fun to be had. Uh,
• 42:13
  talking to my sister on Facebook,
• 42:15
  you know, give me a Humvee with a full
• 42:16
  tank of gas and a little bit of time to
• 42:18
  explore. I'll have a ton of
• 42:19
  fun out here in the desert.
• 42:21
  Yep. On the, uh, and all the taxpayers
• 42:23
  dime too, but not like you're not,
• 42:25
  like you're not earning it or anything. I
• 42:26
  want to indicate that,
• 42:27
  but that's pretty cool.
• 42:29
  Lots of good training to
• 42:30
  be had. Yeah. There you go.
• 42:32
  So, uh,
• 42:33
  tell us about your Jeep Cherokee cause
• 42:35
  you're not just a Humvee driver. Uh,
• 42:38
  you're also a
• 42:38
  Cherokee owner and operator.
• 42:41
  Yeah. I I've really fond
• 42:43
  of the Jeep Cherokee. I,
• 42:44
  I got my first one in 2000.
• 42:48
  It was a 1990 and drove it up to college
• 42:51
  from Colorado Springs up to Idaho and
• 42:54
  put a lot of miles on it, uh,
• 42:56
  had it for a number of years.
• 42:58
  And then finally graduated college and,
• 43:00
  uh, drove it from Idaho,
• 43:02
  made a cross country trip. And this was
• 43:04
  really kind of phenomenal.
• 43:05
  I went to Northern California down
• 43:08
  through Southern California to Phoenix,
• 43:10
  to Houston up to Colorado Springs back
• 43:13
  down to Houston or Dallas and then all
• 43:16
  across the United States through Alabama
• 43:18
  and then up to Baltimore, Maryland.
• 43:19
  I put about 6,000 miles on the Jeep in
• 43:23
  about two weeks time.
• 43:25
  And it just kind of finally gave up. Uh,
• 43:29
  it flipped the head over it or flipped
• 43:32
  the cylinder head
• 43:32
  over inside the cylinder
• 43:34
  and shot the piston rod
• 43:35
  out the side of the engine.
• 43:38
  Dumped oil all over the place and it was
• 43:40
  just, that was it. It gave up.
• 43:43
  So I was in the market for a new Jeep
• 43:44
  and, uh, just for fun,
• 43:46
  I was looking on eBay one night and, uh,
• 43:49
  I found the Jeep that I have now and
• 43:52
  there was a guy about two hours south of
• 43:53
  where I was, uh, was selling it for
• 43:56
  less than he spent on the parts. Uh,
• 44:01
  and he was a kind of a spoiled kid and
• 44:03
  his dad just paid for all the parts to be
• 44:05
  installed at a professional
• 44:06
  shop. So when I bought my 1990,
• 44:11
  uh, Jeep Cherokee sport, the two door,
• 44:13
  it already had an eight inch Skyjacker
• 44:16
  lift with 35 inch BFG mud tires,
• 44:20
  had the chromoly axle shafts with four 56
• 44:22
  gears ox lockers front and rear.
• 44:25
  I've got the ARB bull
• 44:27
  bar on the front, uh,
• 44:29
  Drango four by four bumper
• 44:30
  on the backside. And, uh,
• 44:34
  I think that's all the mods that were
• 44:36
  done to it when I got it,
• 44:37
  but that's certainly not a short list.
• 44:39
  No, it's not. I mean, you,
• 44:40
  you could have done said two of those and
• 44:42
  it would have been a big deal. Uh,
• 44:44
  my gosh, that's, that's, that's, that's,
• 44:46
  that's gotta be horrible. Uh, I mean,
• 44:47
  it's great, great news for you,
• 44:49
  but that's what's gotta be horrible for
• 44:50
  the, for the dad. And I can't help,
• 44:52
  but think that that kid, uh,
• 44:53
  sometime in the future is going to look
• 44:55
  back on that and go,
• 44:56
  what the hell was I thinking?
• 44:57
  Yeah. Well, I think they did it a little
• 44:59
  bit together as a project, just,
• 45:01
  and they didn't do any of the wrench time
• 45:02
  themselves, but you know,
• 45:04
  just shared in the buildup
• 45:05
  process, I guess together.
• 45:08
  And they wanted to start a new project.
• 45:09
  So they sold it off for,
• 45:11
  I bought it for 10,000 and I totaled up
• 45:14
  all the parts and they were just
• 45:15
  recently installed. It was still nearly
• 45:18
  brand new and I got it. And it was,
• 45:20
  I think he spent 12 just on parts, not
• 45:23
  even counting the labor.
• 45:24
  So I picked it up for nothing and it's
• 45:27
  been serving me well since
• 45:28
  2004.
• 45:31
  Uh, on your, on your 90, uh, the, the one
• 45:34
  that gave up on you,
• 45:36
  what size tires were you running on it?
• 45:38
  You know, I was running
• 45:39
  30, you see a 31 to 32.
• 45:42
  And it was a standard, uh, probably three
• 45:45
  55 gears on your, uh,
• 45:47
  your differentials.
• 45:47
  Yeah. So 55s. I had a three inch, uh,
• 45:50
  rusty lift kit that actually,
• 45:52
  it's funny. I was on another,
• 45:54
  it was one of the Yahoo groups. Um, there
• 45:57
  was a guy down at Albuquerque.
• 45:59
  So I drove down from Colorado Springs.
• 46:00
  We met in the middle and I bought his
• 46:02
  used lift. He had three inch, uh,
• 46:04
  leaf Springs and three inch coils and I
• 46:07
  bought them for 80 bucks.
• 46:08
  Use lift kit, uh, went home
• 46:10
  and it took me about a five,
• 46:12
  six hours to swap the Springs and
• 46:14
  everything. And it ran great. You know,
• 46:17
  after a while I started
• 46:18
  getting a little bit of, uh,
• 46:20
  drive shaft vibration because I didn't
• 46:22
  correct the opinion angle. Um,
• 46:26
  so that caused a little bit of problems,
• 46:28
  but I didn't get a full three inches of
• 46:30
  lift out of the rear Springs.
• 46:31
  Cause they are, you know,
• 46:33
  used in already starting to sag, but it
• 46:36
  was great. Uh, kind of a starter.
• 46:38
  That was my first Jeep, my
• 46:39
  first lift and everything.
• 46:41
  Yeah. It's kind of
• 46:41
  what got me into it more.
• 46:42
  Yeah. You can't, you learn a lot. Uh,
• 46:44
  whenever you get out there
• 46:45
  and start doing those things.
• 46:46
  So, uh, did you notice a
• 46:47
  big difference between, uh,
• 46:49
  the three 55s and the
• 46:50
  four 56 gears? Oh yes.
• 46:53
  I mean, even with 35 inch tires, you have
• 46:55
  to notice it. Those three,
• 46:56
  three 55 on, on 32s,
• 46:59
  especially going over just minimal
• 47:01
  overpasses on the highway is, uh,
• 47:03
  it's to be very interesting.
• 47:04
  Yeah. You got to downshift
• 47:06
  right away. Yep. But you know,
• 47:08
  even with 35s and four to 56 gears,
• 47:11
  I can run down the highway seven miles an
• 47:13
  hour and it's about 2,500 RPMs.
• 47:15
  Yeah. I, that's another reason why I was
• 47:17
  kind of thinking about doing the 35s
• 47:19
  was to get my RPMs back in line.
• 47:22
  Cause if I do 80 with my, uh,
• 47:26
  33 inch tires, but do 80 on
• 47:29
  the with the four 56 years,
• 47:30
  I'm turning 3000 RPM. Yeah.
• 47:34
  And not real great for the gas mileage.
• 47:36
  No, no, it's not, but it's, um,
• 47:39
  it's very peppy. It's more like it was
• 47:42
  one of our first got it now. Uh, yeah,
• 47:44
  here, here in the next, uh, a couple of
• 47:47
  days, I'll be changing out the, uh,
• 47:48
  the engine, uh, with a, uh, a
• 47:51
  4.1 liter. It's not a stroker,
• 47:53
  just a 60 over somebody did the
• 47:55
  calculation for me on XJ talk.
• 47:57
  And, uh, it's, uh, going to
• 47:59
  be about a 4.1, uh, liter, uh,
• 48:02
  uh, Jeep engine. And, uh,
• 48:04
  Matt and I are going to be, uh,
• 48:07
  at his shop in Conroe this Friday,
• 48:09
  swapping that out. So I'm, um,
• 48:11
  I'm interested to see what it's going to
• 48:13
  be like with a fresh engine. Cause the,
• 48:15
  uh, I probably had,
• 48:16
  um, oh, 110,000 miles.
• 48:19
  Uh, I wonder if we've at the four 56
• 48:21
  gears in there. So, uh,
• 48:24
  it'll be interesting with a little extra
• 48:25
  horsepower and a much fresher engine to
• 48:27
  see what it's going to be like.
• 48:28
  Yeah. You have to make sure you capture
• 48:30
  all the stats for before and then after.
• 48:34
  Yeah. Well, I've got the
• 48:36
  gas mileage information. Uh,
• 48:37
  I've been collecting gas mileage
• 48:39
  information since
• 48:40
  before the four 56 gears
• 48:41
  were, uh, were installed. And, and
• 48:44
  actually that was the
• 48:44
  main reason for doing it.
• 48:46
  Uh, but for putting the gears in,
• 48:47
  cause I was told that that would make a
• 48:49
  big difference. And it jumped me,
• 48:51
  uh, it gave me about a two mile per hour,
• 48:53
  um, mile per gallon bump.
• 48:56
  So, uh, yeah, of all the
• 48:59
  things that I've done to it, uh,
• 49:00
  to trying to fix some of
• 49:02
  the, uh, uh, gas mileage issues,
• 49:04
  that was the biggest
• 49:05
  thing. But I'm still, uh,
• 49:07
  if I see 12 miles per
• 49:09
  gallon, that's rare. Oh wow. Yeah.
• 49:11
  So, uh, I don't know
• 49:13
  why it's that way. Uh,
• 49:15
  I don't think it should be based on the
• 49:16
  other things that I've, uh, I've heard.
• 49:18
  Have you ever done a good, uh, uh, mile
• 49:21
  per gallon calculations on yours?
• 49:23
  Yeah. I keep pretty
• 49:24
  close track of that. Um,
• 49:26
  I usually get between 200 and 260 and
• 49:31
  280 miles on a tank. I think it comes out
• 49:33
  to about 13 and a half,
• 49:35
  14 miles per gallon.
• 49:36
  I ended up driving to and
• 49:39
  from work down state highways,
• 49:41
  usually doing about 55. Yeah.
• 49:44
  But I've got the five speed manual so I
• 49:46
  can get into a top gear pretty quick.
• 49:48
  Uh, that's, yeah, that
• 49:49
  makes a big difference.
• 49:52
  I love having that manual
• 49:53
  transmission. Yeah. I hear, uh,
• 49:55
  whenever I went to get mine, I bought
• 49:56
  mine brand new and, uh,
• 49:58
  I was looking at it. It was the right
• 50:00
  color and all that. And I said, uh,
• 50:02
  this is nice. Uh, it was on the showroom
• 50:04
  floor and I said, this is nice,
• 50:05
  but do you have one, uh, that's a
• 50:07
  standard? Because in my mind, a, uh,
• 50:10
  a four by four should
• 50:11
  be a standard. And they,
• 50:13
  they would have looked at each other and
• 50:14
  go, well, they make a,
• 50:16
  they do make them with a
• 50:17
  standard transmissions,
• 50:18
  but we'd have to order you one from the
• 50:20
  factory. Oh yeah. You know,
• 50:22
  the standard thing they tell you whenever
• 50:23
  they don't want to get you something,
• 50:25
  they want to sell you
• 50:26
  what they have. Yeah.
• 50:28
  I want you to take
• 50:28
  what's on the lot. Yeah.
• 50:30
  And another reason I was
• 50:31
  looking at the standard was, oh,
• 50:33
  my wife and I were actually there to make
• 50:36
  the decision on a, uh,
• 50:37
  on a Wrangler 98 TJ. And, uh,
• 50:40
  we had two young children, uh, at the
• 50:42
  time, three and four years old. And I saw
• 50:45
  the, uh, uh, uh, the red Cherokee there
• 50:48
  on the showroom floor. And I thought,
• 50:50
  you know, we could
• 50:51
  drive this. It's four doors.
• 50:52
  It's still a four wheel drive and we
• 50:55
  could get the, uh, the TJ later.
• 50:58
  So, uh, we, we finally did get that TJ
• 51:00
  later, much, much later,
• 51:04
  earlier this year. So, uh, and my wife is
• 51:06
  driving that one. So,
• 51:09
  we, um, um, we have the TJ, the 98, uh,
• 51:13
  uh, Cherokee, which, uh,
• 51:14
  which we had bought
• 51:15
  new then. And, uh, um,
• 51:18
  shortly before, I guess maybe six months
• 51:21
  prior to getting the TJ,
• 51:22
  I found the 99 XJ and, uh,
• 51:26
  my oldest daughter is driving that one
• 51:27
  now. So we were a three Jeep family.
• 51:30
  That's awesome. I'm sure the, uh, the
• 51:32
  neighbors think we're crazy.
• 51:35
  I know. And I'm a two
• 51:37
  SUV family. When, uh,
• 51:39
  my second daughter was getting ready to
• 51:40
  be born. We realized at time,
• 51:42
  I bought a, uh, FJ
• 51:44
  cruiser for my wife, right?
• 51:46
  The very first year of a no
• 51:47
  seven when it was released, um,
• 51:50
  because I was getting ready to deploy the
• 51:52
  vehicle we had was a Chevy,
• 51:54
  I was GMC, uh, Yukon. It was getting
• 51:57
  close to a hundred thousand miles.
• 51:58
  And I don't want my wife to have any
• 51:59
  issues, uh, during the,
• 52:02
  supposedly year while I was gone, which
• 52:04
  turned in 15 months. So, so you know,
• 52:07
  we'll just go ahead
• 52:07
  and get you a new car.
• 52:08
  Got the FJ cruiser and, uh,
• 52:11
  then we had to get a second vehicle or a
• 52:13
  different vehicle because the FJ
• 52:14
  cruiser doesn't really fit
• 52:16
  two car seats in the back.
• 52:18
  Really? That's interesting. I would
• 52:19
  thought I would have thought it would.
• 52:21
  Yeah. There's the way it's the back seat
• 52:24
  is arranged. The, uh,
• 52:25
  the middle seat in the rear
• 52:27
  is kind of raised and, uh,
• 52:30
  it's not real conducive to
• 52:31
  car seats and having a, uh,
• 52:34
  rear facing car seat behind a seat was
• 52:36
  just not going to happen. It was
• 52:37
  impossible. Whoever that passenger would
• 52:39
  be knees up in their chest through the
• 52:42
  dash. And so we had to
• 52:43
  make the decision, okay,
• 52:44
  are we going to go for a minivan or are
• 52:46
  we going to go for something else?
• 52:47
  And she was starting to
• 52:49
  lean towards a minivan.
• 52:50
  I really wanted to get
• 52:51
  something bigger that could,
• 52:53
  I could tow my Jeep because we had
• 52:55
  multiple moves with the army, you know,
• 52:57
  Oh yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.
• 53:00
  It's not a real highway
• 53:01
  friendly vehicle. I mean,
• 53:02
  I can drive it on the highway,
• 53:03
  but the cross country trip is not going
• 53:05
  to be real fun. Right.
• 53:06
  So I, uh, got her in a
• 53:09
  Chevy suburban and a test drive.
• 53:13
  And she said, you know what? I really
• 53:14
  like this. This is really comfortable.
• 53:15
  I said, sweet. This V8 will pull the Jeep
• 53:18
  on a trailer. No problem.
• 53:20
  She goes, yeah, that was my first
• 53:22
  concern. Yeah, sure. Whatever.
• 53:23
  I don't care about that. I can put a lot
• 53:25
  of stuff in the back.
• 53:26
  A lot of stuff. Yeah. Those are,
• 53:27
  so we're ones are great from that,
• 53:29
  especially with the family.
• 53:30
  Yep. So it's been great.
• 53:31
  I've got a suburban from my wife and
• 53:34
  it'll tell the Jeep across country,
• 53:35
  which it's done a couple of times. And,
• 53:39
  uh, we, I, I always know,
• 53:40
  I've got a vehicle to come rescue the
• 53:42
  Jeep that should it break down,
• 53:44
  which hasn't happened yet. It was one
• 53:46
  time we were getting ready to go to Korea
• 53:48
  and had to put it in storage. So my
• 53:50
  sister-in-law was
• 53:51
  going to take care of it.
• 53:52
  So we drove from like Richmond, Virginia
• 53:54
  to halfway between there and Nashville.
• 53:58
  And as I was back in
• 53:59
  the Jeep off the trailer,
• 54:01
  the transmission just totally took a
• 54:02
  dump. I said, great.
• 54:04
  Here I'm in the middle of nowhere with
• 54:05
  the Jeep with no transmission.
• 54:07
  And my sister-in-law was going to drive
• 54:09
  it back to Nashville and take care of
• 54:10
  it for the three years.
• 54:12
  So I ended up having to run the winch
• 54:14
  cable back up to the front of the trailer
• 54:16
  and self recover itself drive, you know,
• 54:19
  just on a, you know,
• 54:21
  minutes decision to say, all right,
• 54:22
  we're just going to drive the West way in
• 54:23
  Nashville and kicked it off the
• 54:25
  trailer in front of four
• 54:27
  wheel parts there. I mean, uh,
• 54:29
  I think Franklin Tennessee and
• 54:31
  they took care of everything.
• 54:32
  What did it turn out to be? Uh, the
• 54:35
  master cylinder. Oh, okay.
• 54:38
  So you just couldn't get it to get it
• 54:40
  where you could shift.
• 54:41
  It was un-driveable.
• 54:42
  Right. I got it into first gear.
• 54:46
  While it was not on
• 54:47
  that, I would, you know,
• 54:49
  leave the clutch out and just starter,
• 54:51
  use a starter and jockey it back up onto
• 54:53
  the trailer as much as I could.
• 54:54
  And I said, you know what, I've got the
• 54:56
  winch. I might as well just use it.
• 54:57
  Sure.
• 55:00
  There's been lots of
• 55:01
  adventures with that Jeep.
• 55:03
  Well, the neat thing
• 55:04
  is, is that you can, uh,
• 55:05
  you can usually work out a way to, uh,
• 55:08
  get down the road or,
• 55:09
  or like you said, recover itself. It's
• 55:11
  nice having that ability.
• 55:13
  And it's kind of funny. Uh, I was, uh, on
• 55:16
  Facebook, XJ talk on Facebook,
• 55:18
  somebody, uh, one of the
• 55:19
  XJ talk members posted, uh,
• 55:22
  something from a Morris four by four.
• 55:24
  It's a, uh, an image, uh,
• 55:26
  a satellite image of a hurricane
• 55:28
  approaching Florida, which is,
• 55:29
  is kind of what's in
• 55:31
  process right now. Yeah.
• 55:33
  It's not the exact image
• 55:34
  that this currently going on,
• 55:35
  but it's similar to what's happening
• 55:37
  currently. And it said, uh, uh,
• 55:39
  something along the lines of, uh, uh,
• 55:43
  Prius owners or wishing
• 55:44
  they had Jeeps right now.
• 55:46
  Oh yeah.
• 55:49
  It's perfect for those post-apocalyptic
• 55:52
  seasons, you know? Yeah.
• 55:55
  I mean, it's great to have the gas
• 55:56
  mileage and it's a,
• 55:57
  it's great to be, you know,
• 55:58
  one of the cool kids with the low
• 56:00
  vehicles, but boy, I tell you what,
• 56:03
  whenever the fan is
• 56:04
  getting ready to be hit,
• 56:05
  it's nice to have
• 56:06
  something that's going to, uh, uh,
• 56:09
  be able to get you from point A to point
• 56:10
  B and most any situation. And, uh, well,
• 56:13
  I mean, that's, that's
• 56:14
  the reason why we, uh, well,
• 56:16
  the reason why I built up the 98 in the
• 56:19
  first place was because of hurricanes
• 56:20
  here on the Gulf coast. If, if not
• 56:23
  everybody's familiar,
• 56:24
  I'm in located in the
• 56:25
  Houston area. So we, uh, um,
• 56:29
  we prefer hurricanes here over
• 56:30
  earthquakes because we
• 56:31
  have warning, but still,
• 56:32
  it can get pretty, uh,
• 56:34
  pretty ugly, uh, given the, uh,
• 56:37
  the severity of the hurricane.
• 56:38
  Yeah. Well right now I'm living in, uh,
• 56:41
  northern New York, central New York,
• 56:43
  it's about an hour and a half north of
• 56:44
  Syracuse and we get the, uh,
• 56:48
  this last winter wasn't so bad, but I've
• 56:50
  only been living there for seven months.
• 56:52
  But when they do get snowed,
• 56:53
  like the lake effects know just comes out
• 56:55
  of nowhere and just slams everybody
• 56:57
  and they get, they measure, they measure
• 56:59
  the snow in feet instead of inches.
• 57:01
  And, uh, a few times this last winter
• 57:04
  when we did get slammed with snow,
• 57:05
  it was great. It was like a playground.
• 57:07
  Nobody driving around except for me.
• 57:09
  I was going blasting through
• 57:10
  snow banks, having a blast.
• 57:12
  So, uh, how was it with the lockers?
• 57:15
  Uh, well, since they're box lockers, I
• 57:17
  can disengage them anytime.
• 57:19
  So when I'm driving on ice, they just
• 57:20
  open differentials and snow issues. Um,
• 57:24
  but then when things get muddy
• 57:27
  and sloppy during the spring,
• 57:28
  I can engage them and climb out of the
• 57:31
  suit and the ruts with no problems.
• 57:34
  So what are the New Yorkers think of the,
• 57:36
  uh, the lifted, uh, no,
• 57:38
  actually eight inch lift is pretty
• 57:40
  substantial in the 35 inch tires.
• 57:42
  What do they think about all that?
• 57:44
  Well, it's funny, you
• 57:45
  know, there's down in Syracuse,
• 57:46
  there's the a CNY Jeep dot org group.
• 57:50
  And I went for a little bit
• 57:52
  with them a couple of times.
• 57:53
  I go down there, club
• 57:54
  meetings. When I get a chance,
• 57:56
  they're usually during the week and I
• 57:57
  have a hard time
• 57:57
  getting down there for, uh,
• 57:59
  getting off of work on time. Um, but
• 58:01
  they're a great Jeep group.
• 58:03
  There's a couple of them that are running
• 58:05
  Cherokees. Most of them are Wranglers.
• 58:07
  I fit right in with those guys. I guess
• 58:09
  it kind of gave me a hard time.
• 58:10
  But then when I crawl through the
• 58:11
  obstacles with no trouble,
• 58:13
  the ones that they're having a really
• 58:15
  hard time with the laughing stops.
• 58:17
  Of course. Yeah. The name calling begins
• 58:20
  at least under their breath.
• 58:22
  Yeah. But then right in
• 58:24
  Watertown, the nearest town,
• 58:26
  they've got a truck club.
• 58:28
  It's not a Jeep specific group.
• 58:30
  And I'm actually one of the smaller guys.
• 58:33
  They're mostly running full size pickups.
• 58:36
  Most of them are diesels and they've got
• 58:38
  big exhaust stacks coming out of the
• 58:40
  bed, running 38 and larger tires.
• 58:44
  So the first trail run in
• 58:45
  the spring I did with them,
• 58:47
  I didn't know really
• 58:48
  what I was getting into,
• 58:49
  but they were going through
• 58:50
  water. It was about three,
• 58:52
  three and a half feet deep. And, uh,
• 58:54
  that was coming up to
• 58:55
  the door on my, on my Jeep.
• 58:58
  I thought, well,
• 59:00
  I got my four year old daughter in the
• 59:02
  back and she loves going off roading.
• 59:04
  And I just go chugging
• 59:05
  through the deep mud and water,
• 59:07
  no problems.
• 59:08
  And watching them slide off because
• 59:10
  they've just got lots of lift without the
• 59:13
  traction aids they need and not the same
• 59:15
  kind of articulation.
• 59:16
  So these deep ruts, I've got tons of
• 59:20
  flex. I can grow all through it,
• 59:21
  maintain traction and
• 59:22
  they're dragging their,
• 59:23
  their beds and bumpers across everything
• 59:26
  getting hung up. Right.
• 59:27
  It was funny. I watched
• 59:29
  the one truck in front of me,
• 59:30
  he had his exhaust stacks stick up past
• 59:33
  the top of his cab by about two feet,
• 59:35
  three feet. And he had to stop, get out,
• 59:37
  climb up on the roof with his chainsaw
• 59:38
  and cut down the tree ranges just so he
• 59:40
  could get past.
• 59:42
  Oh wow. Yeah. The,
• 59:44
  the Jeep is a very much a different type
• 59:47
  of vehicle than the, uh,
• 59:48
  the full size pickups. You
• 59:49
  know, we, I see those, uh,
• 59:51
  those land yachts driving around here all
• 59:53
  the time and I love a full size truck.
• 59:56
  The first four wheel drive I
• 59:57
  had was an 83 Chevy. I had,
• 1:00:00
  I went with a four inch lift because I
• 1:00:01
  didn't like the, uh, the, the six inches,
• 1:00:04
  six inch lifts that
• 1:00:05
  were very common back then.
• 1:00:07
  It was a lot of room between the top of
• 1:00:09
  the wheel and the, uh, the fender.
• 1:00:11
  So I went with a four inch lift and 33
• 1:00:14
  inch tires and I'm sorry,
• 1:00:15
  36 and a half inch tires. And, uh, it was
• 1:00:18
  a blast. I just, uh,
• 1:00:20
  I miss being up that high and driving
• 1:00:22
  around. It was, uh, it was great.
• 1:00:24
  You did have to watch out for small
• 1:00:25
  vehicles though, cause, uh,
• 1:00:28
  might run over one.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah. And that was the reason I didn't
• 1:00:31
  take my Jeep to Korea actually.
• 1:00:33
  I didn't take the suburban because I knew
• 1:00:35
  I'd be just hard pressed to get through
• 1:00:37
  the narrow streets and everything,
• 1:00:39
  but I didn't take the GP there cause I'd
• 1:00:41
  run over a dude on a mocha and not
• 1:00:43
  even know it. Yep. And it's, it's, it can
• 1:00:46
  be humorous when you say that,
• 1:00:48
  but it really literally can happen
• 1:00:49
  because you get high enough in the air.
• 1:00:51
  You can't see really what's
• 1:00:53
  going on on the other side.
• 1:00:54
  I remember driving my truck around. It
• 1:00:56
  was, uh, I would make a joke about,
• 1:00:58
  you know, I didn't see that
• 1:00:59
  car that was there. Uh, yeah,
• 1:01:00
  I had the large mirrors on the side of
• 1:01:02
  the Chevy truck. And even with that,
• 1:01:05
  it was difficult to see. Uh, I managed to
• 1:01:08
  keep off of people, but, uh,
• 1:01:10
  it, uh, it really, you really have to be,
• 1:01:12
  it's a different world when you, when you
• 1:01:13
  start getting up that high.
• 1:01:15
  Oh yeah. And you gotta
• 1:01:16
  consider how you're driving.
• 1:01:18
  Cause I don't have sway bars on either
• 1:01:20
  the front or the rear,
• 1:01:22
  but it's got a stiff enough, uh, spring
• 1:01:25
  rate that, you know,
• 1:01:26
  as long as you slow
• 1:01:27
  down in the corners enough,
• 1:01:28
  you really don't feel like you're gonna
• 1:01:30
  flip over either that,
• 1:01:32
  or I've just become accustomed to it.
• 1:01:34
  I no longer have that same pucker factor
• 1:01:36
  that most normal human beings have.
• 1:01:38
  Yeah. It's a much different feeling.
• 1:01:40
  I have a tendency to drive mine like a
• 1:01:41
  race car with the, uh,
• 1:01:43
  with the custom bumpers and now with the,
• 1:01:45
  uh, the sliders and the,
• 1:01:48
  um, uh, the frame stiffeners, I've got a
• 1:01:50
  lot of weight down low and I can make,
• 1:01:53
  uh, make turns pretty, uh, pretty good.
• 1:01:56
  I'm a, I'm a low fast kind of guy.
• 1:01:58
  And that's the reason why I got into
• 1:01:59
  SUVs, trucks and SUVs
• 1:02:01
  to start with is just
• 1:02:01
  so I would have an excuse to not drive
• 1:02:04
  fast. It's a lot of fun, but so, uh,
• 1:02:08
  whenever I, if I
• 1:02:09
  forget to connect the, uh,
• 1:02:10
  the quick disconnects back up and I start
• 1:02:12
  making those turns, I notice it.
• 1:02:14
  Uh, it's not earth shattering. It's not
• 1:02:16
  like a, like a death wobble or anything.
• 1:02:18
  It's just like, Hey, that
• 1:02:19
  feels kind of strange. Oh,
• 1:02:21
  I forgot to hook up the disc, the sway
• 1:02:23
  bar. That's what it was.
• 1:02:24
  I got a flat what's going on, you know?
• 1:02:28
  So yeah, I understand. I've heard that on
• 1:02:30
  the, on the site where people, they just
• 1:02:32
  don't run the sway bar at all.
• 1:02:34
  And of course mine only came with a front
• 1:02:35
  sway bar. So, uh, it's, uh,
• 1:02:38
  it's quite a quite capable road vehicle
• 1:02:40
  with, uh, with just the,
• 1:02:42
  the front sway bar.
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  I don't know what the rear sway bar does
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  anyways. It's so skinny. The,
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  the stock one, it just serves virtually
• 1:02:48
  no purpose, you know?
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  You know, I don't know. Uh, recently, uh,
• 1:02:53
  put a lift on the, uh,
• 1:02:55
  the wife's TJ and it's got a, uh, uh,
• 1:02:58
  it's got one on there.
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  So I don't know if it's a good thing to
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  have it or not, but you know, whatever.
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  Uh, I'll just leave it alone. And then,
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  uh, as I learn about the, uh,
• 1:03:06
  the Wranglers, I may do
• 1:03:07
  more to it. Well, Dan,
• 1:03:09
  we've come to the
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  magical 30 minute, uh, Mark,
• 1:03:12
  and I've been doing my level best to, uh,
• 1:03:15
  to get into the, uh,
• 1:03:16
  the 30 minute limitation. So we can,
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  we can wrap this up and you can stop
• 1:03:22
  tearing up all the minutes on your, uh,
• 1:03:24
  on your cell phone. Uh, yeah, I guess it
• 1:03:28
  just really depends on the plan.
• 1:03:29
  So, uh, when, when, when are
• 1:03:31
  you going to have another, uh,
• 1:03:32
  four by four podcast episode?
• 1:03:34
  Well, it's a very good question. Uh, I
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  guess it would depend on,
• 1:03:39
  uh, how the recording with this current
• 1:03:41
  setup that I have who seems to come out.
• 1:03:44
  Okay. Yeah. I've got a
• 1:03:45
  couple interviews lined up.
• 1:03:47
  Uh, I just gotta be
• 1:03:48
  able to get them on lately.
• 1:03:49
  I've been having a lot of
• 1:03:50
  overland, uh, off rotors on the,
• 1:03:54
  on the podcast and, uh, you know, I've
• 1:03:56
  got one lined up, uh,
• 1:03:59
  Lewis and Lacey from,
• 1:04:00
  uh, Lost World Expeditions.
• 1:04:02
  They've just got the travel bug and
• 1:04:04
  they've been
• 1:04:04
  traveling around through South
• 1:04:06
  America, Chile and Peru. And, uh,
• 1:04:09
  they've just come back for a little
• 1:04:11
  sabbatical and refill the bank accounts.
• 1:04:13
  So I'd be doing it
• 1:04:14
  with them pretty soon. Um,
• 1:04:17
  overland gourmet, uh, Zach from Phoenix,
• 1:04:21
  he's a an overland traveler
• 1:04:23
  that does gourmet cooking.
• 1:04:25
  Actually overland gourmet.com.
• 1:04:27
  He's got a whole store
• 1:04:29
  selling cooking gear,
• 1:04:31
  lots of great things going on. Uh,
• 1:04:33
  hopefully if I can work
• 1:04:35
  things out right with my boss,
• 1:04:36
  I'll be able to escape the Mojave for a
• 1:04:38
  little bit for the Southern California
• 1:04:41
  mountain rendezvous. Uh, got lots of
• 1:04:43
  things going on, but my,
• 1:04:45
  my military professional duties kind of
• 1:04:48
  limit things. So worst case,
• 1:04:50
  it'll be probably the end of October. I
• 1:04:53
  get another episode out. Gotcha. Well,
• 1:04:56
  as long as you keep them coming, uh,
• 1:04:57
  because, uh, I've started listening and,
• 1:04:59
  you know, I don't want to sit
• 1:05:00
  around and wait for, you know,
• 1:05:02
  the summer reruns and then wait for the
• 1:05:04
  fall schedule and all that stuff that
• 1:05:06
  they do. Yeah.
• 1:05:08
  I think we've got at least 20 episodes
• 1:05:10
  out of the four by four podcast.
• 1:05:12
  So you can, you might as well skip the
• 1:05:14
  first one. That one was pretty bad.
• 1:05:16
  Oh, they always are. They
• 1:05:17
  always are, but they're,
• 1:05:18
  but they're never as
• 1:05:19
  bad as you think. Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  It was good. It got things started. And
• 1:05:22
  actually on one of the early podcasts,
• 1:05:24
  I did an interview with Jim Taylor.
• 1:05:27
  He is the trail boss at the Brazos Valley
• 1:05:29
  off road ranch outside Brian,
• 1:05:32
  Texas. So I know that's a little bit of a
• 1:05:34
  drive from, you know,
• 1:05:36
  Houston, your area. But if you ever get a
• 1:05:38
  chance to go up there,
• 1:05:39
  I'd definitely give Jim Taylor a call.
• 1:05:43
  Uh, awesome trails down there.
• 1:05:44
  Yeah. Real quick question. How's your
• 1:05:46
  wife with, uh, doing the off road thing?
• 1:05:48
  You know, she is a, she
• 1:05:50
  loves adventure traveling. Um,
• 1:05:52
  when we've just before we started dating,
• 1:05:55
  I think it may have been when I asked
• 1:05:57
  her, I said, you know what you're getting
• 1:05:58
  into, right? Cause
• 1:05:59
  anytime you hang out with me,
• 1:06:01
  you're bound to be involved
• 1:06:02
  in some sort of adventure,
• 1:06:04
  whether it be planned or
• 1:06:05
  unplanned. She said, no,
• 1:06:08
  I think I can handle it.
• 1:06:09
  Well, you say that now,
• 1:06:11
  we just had our 10 year anniversary this
• 1:06:14
  last weekend and it's been a wild
• 1:06:16
  adventure the whole time. Oh, that's
• 1:06:18
  right. That's right.
• 1:06:19
  I take that back because I did listen to
• 1:06:21
  the interview where you were talking
• 1:06:22
  about teaching your wife how to drive off
• 1:06:24
  road. And so she does go off road.
• 1:06:26
  The reason why I asked that is,
• 1:06:28
  my wife doesn't want to have
• 1:06:29
  any part of going off road.
• 1:06:32
  I went up a steep
• 1:06:33
  embankment, uh, once before the,
• 1:06:36
  the Jeep was lifted and everything. And
• 1:06:38
  my wife almost bailed out. I think,
• 1:06:40
  uh, she got, I think she said he eject
• 1:06:42
  twice before I got it leveled out,
• 1:06:44
  you know, the 30 Jack,
• 1:06:45
  then the the the top would have got off
• 1:06:47
  and she would have been gone.
• 1:06:49
  Yeah. You know, one of the very early
• 1:06:52
  times in a relationship with my wife,
• 1:06:54
  we, uh, went off-roading by ourselves in
• 1:06:59
  February and southwest Idaho,
• 1:07:01
  which, you know, this is like the strikes
• 1:07:04
  are piling up against us. Yeah.
• 1:07:06
  Eventually we got high centers and it was
• 1:07:10
  probably well below freezing.
• 1:07:12
  The frame was literally frozen to the
• 1:07:14
  ground and there was no hope of getting
• 1:07:17
  that vehicle recovered.
• 1:07:19
  Fortunately, I always have my,
• 1:07:21
  my bug out bags.
• 1:07:22
  I had my sleeping bag, some food and
• 1:07:23
  blankets and all the
• 1:07:24
  emergency stuff in the
• 1:07:25
  back end of the Jeep. So it was ready.
• 1:07:27
  So we had a relatively comfortable night
• 1:07:31
  despite the freezing temperatures and
• 1:07:33
  blowing wind and the Jeep
• 1:07:34
  that was not quite level. Uh,
• 1:07:37
  but ever since then it's just been one
• 1:07:39
  adventure after another.
• 1:07:40
  So just for clarification in down in
• 1:07:44
  Houston where we don't have weather like
• 1:07:45
  that, uh, and we, and we go out with a
• 1:07:47
  girl, we run out of gas.
• 1:07:49
  But I guess in Idaho,
• 1:07:51
  what you do is you high center the
• 1:07:52
  vehicle and sleep overnight.
• 1:07:55
  That's right. You wait for a time to come
• 1:07:57
  around and reassess the situation.
• 1:08:01
  We were thoroughly stuck. There was no
• 1:08:03
  doubt about that. Oh yeah.
• 1:08:05
  I have no doubt a skilled
• 1:08:06
  driver can stick a vehicle.
• 1:08:10
  That's right. When I get stuck, it is
• 1:08:12
  really, really stuck. Well, great, Dan.
• 1:08:15
  That's funny. Uh,
• 1:08:17
  we're going to have to get you on again
• 1:08:19
  because I can tell there's some, uh,
• 1:08:20
  there's some more
• 1:08:21
  stories that you can tell.
• 1:08:22
  Is there anything you want to tell our
• 1:08:24
  listeners before we wrap it up?
• 1:08:26
  Well, now I just encourage everybody to
• 1:08:27
  go check out the four by four podcast.com
• 1:08:30
  and check out all the episodes. You can
• 1:08:32
  find it in iTunes. Uh, we're on Facebook,
• 1:08:35
  uh, I think it's facebook.com slash the
• 1:08:38
  four by four podcast.
• 1:08:40
  Nice and easy. I think we're on Twitter
• 1:08:43
  and see also Google plus,
• 1:08:46
  you know, there's not a whole lot of
• 1:08:47
  interaction there just because it's kind
• 1:08:50
  of, it's Google plus.
• 1:08:52
  Google plus is still kind of a morphing
• 1:08:54
  and developing creature.
• 1:08:57
  It's because there wasn't
• 1:08:58
  enough Facebook, you know,
• 1:08:59
  but yeah, about what's something else. I
• 1:09:01
  really liked Google plus,
• 1:09:02
  but it's still just kind of a developing
• 1:09:04
  community. Yeah, it really is.
• 1:09:06
  Lately we've been doing the, uh,
• 1:09:08
  the off-roading question of the day and
• 1:09:09
  the off-roading answer of the day kind
• 1:09:11
  of summarize everybody's answers. Lots of
• 1:09:13
  good things. Talk about, you know,
• 1:09:16
  manual verse automatic
• 1:09:17
  transmission. Uh, let's see.
• 1:09:19
  We also talked about do you change your
• 1:09:21
  own oil kind of modification?
• 1:09:23
  Would you make today if you could, lots
• 1:09:26
  of different things.
• 1:09:28
  It's a new question every day and a lot
• 1:09:29
  of interaction on Twitter and especially
• 1:09:31
  Facebook. So lots of
• 1:09:33
  things to check out, you know,
• 1:09:34
  we don't have a forum for the four by
• 1:09:36
  four podcast or anything. It's just,
• 1:09:38
  just a hobby for me, not a business. Uh,
• 1:09:41
  it'd be great if hobby could pay for
• 1:09:42
  yourself, but you know,
• 1:09:44
  that's not why I do it.
• 1:09:44
  I just enjoy talking about off-roading
• 1:09:46
  with folks. Yeah,
• 1:09:47
  that's great. Well, Dan,
• 1:09:49
  thanks a lot. And, uh, again, thanks for
• 1:09:51
  being a guest on the, on the show. It,
• 1:09:53
  uh,
• 1:09:53
  it'll help me feel another week before I
• 1:09:55
  have to scramble around and find another
• 1:09:57
  guest. But you know,
• 1:09:59
  but you know how that is.
• 1:10:01
  Yeah, that's the thing.
• 1:10:02
  You got all of these people
• 1:10:04
  that you'd love to talk to,
• 1:10:05
  but just lining up schedules sometimes
• 1:10:07
  pretty difficult. You know,
• 1:10:08
  if work this didn't get in the way,
• 1:10:10
  you know, I always
• 1:10:11
  interrupt in real life.
• 1:10:14
  Well, thanks again, Dan. All
• 1:10:15
  right. We'll talk to you later.
• 1:10:17
  We welcome and look forward to your
• 1:10:18
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• 1:10:29
  message on our 24 by seven voicemail.
• 1:10:33
  Well, that's our show. And
• 1:10:34
  I want to thank Dan again,
• 1:10:36
  not only for being on our
• 1:10:37
  show and doing the interview,
• 1:10:38
  but also being a member of our armed
• 1:10:40
  services and protecting this country.
• 1:10:42
  And, uh, you know, if nothing else,
• 1:10:44
  just being in the desert and sweating his
• 1:10:46
  ass off because I know it gets hot
• 1:10:48
  here. Uh, fortunately
• 1:10:50
  this, uh, this past Friday,
• 1:10:52
  when MS.
• 1:10:53
  Moriburg and I were
• 1:10:54
  installing the 4.0 liter,
• 1:10:57
  uh, or taking the 4.0 liter out and
• 1:11:00
  putting him the 4.1 liter,
• 1:11:02
  I had a little bit of rain that morning,
• 1:11:04
  so it wasn't too terribly hot.
• 1:11:06
  It got that way towards the afternoon and
• 1:11:08
  I'm not kidding you, man. Uh,
• 1:11:10
  I stood there and
• 1:11:12
  asked questions and, uh,
• 1:11:14
  told jokes and held a
• 1:11:16
  flashlight in 10 hours.
• 1:11:19
  Matt took that 4.0 out,
• 1:11:22
  put the 4.1 in and got
• 1:11:26
  it started and running.
• 1:11:27
  We just have a slight little issue with
• 1:11:29
  it where it's not performing like we
• 1:11:31
  expected to. So trying to get that lined
• 1:11:34
  out, you know, how, you know,
• 1:11:34
  how engine swaps are,
• 1:11:35
  who knows what it is. Uh,
• 1:11:37
  but hopefully by next week we'll have
• 1:11:39
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• 1:11:41
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• 1:11:44
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• 1:11:46
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• 1:12:03
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• 1:12:05
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• 1:12:07
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• 1:12:12
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• 1:12:14
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• 1:12:15
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• 1:12:39
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• 1:12:41
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