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Drive Thru News #36 - Do you have any ... Yellow Mustard? · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to the drive through episode number 36.
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  This is our monthly recap, where we put together a menu of automotive
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  motorsport car, adjacent news and wherever Eric has been this last month.
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  So let's pull up to the window.
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  Number one.
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  For some automotive news.
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  Eric, where were you this month?
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  Our week drained me.
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  What day is it, by the way?
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  Like, I am in a time warp.
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  Let's do the time warp again.
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  Too early.
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  Although Halloween is out already.
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  Can you believe that?
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  Halloween was out after Easter.
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  Summer isn't even over yet, and people are already stocking
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  the shelves for Halloween.
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  Soon, Christmas decorations will be out Valentine's Day.
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  That's if they ever take them down.
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  That's the secret, just have a Christmas section.
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  You never have to take it down, just leave it up.
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  You could take away 10% Of the women's clothing section and still have plenty
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  of room for a Christmas section.
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  I think Kim Kardashian has something to say about that.
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  Maybe, maybe, maybe.
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  But you know what?
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  It is 24 7 Christmas at Bronner's Christmas Wonderland
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  in Frankenmuth, Michigan.
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  So if you're on your way to the middle of nowhere, stop by.
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  So there you go.
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  But that's not why we're here.
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  We're not here to talk Christmas.
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  That's for later in the year.
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  But wait, speaking of the Kardashians, how is California?
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  I might've bumped into them.
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  Wait, you couldn't miss them.
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  You know, last time we got together, I recapped my epic
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  journey to the European union.
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  This time I went to the completely opposite side of the country.
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  Thanks to Don at garage style magazine.
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  And we did 10 days.
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  of the Monterey Peninsula for Car Week.
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  Last time I checked, a week is only seven days.
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  You know, I wrote an article about that too.
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  That's them California weeks.
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  Because you get stoned the first three.
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  California's famous Car Week is becoming really two weeks.
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  Soon it's going to be Car Month.
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  It's absolutely...
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  Insane.
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  And I will say I've had people invite me out time and time again
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  to go and I'm like, man, I don't know if I can put aside 10 days.
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  I don't know if I can put aside a week.
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  I don't know if I can go, you know, works in the way, you know, real stuff.
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  But this time I couldn't pass off the opportunity, especially to go with a
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  press team, with photographers, with everybody that was there contributing.
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  It was an awesome experience and once in a lifetime to do it
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  that way, to really do it up.
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  I'll just summarize it for you 10 days, 37 events, over 5, 000 photographs,
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  unbelievable people, places, and cars.
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  We're going to do some show and tell this time.
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  So if you're watching this on Patreon, you actually get to see what I'm showing
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  off here because every event I went to.
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  I got something and I kid you not.
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  I paid an extra hundred bucks to send my luggage home because in a mid
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  sized suitcase, I was at 60 pounds.
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  That's my normal packing.
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  Just your shoes, right?
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  Just my shoes, my socks, my underwear.
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  So the Monterey area is cut up into these little towns and it starts with
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  like Seaside and you work your way down to Fisherman's Wharf and then there's
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  Carmel Valley Then there's the city of Carmel then there's Pacific Grove
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  and all these other places that are connected even Salinas where Laguna
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  Seca is It's all right there and in this Conglomeration of different towns.
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  At first I was kind of getting spun around.
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  I'm like, where are we?
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  Where are we going?
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  It was a lot of driving and we were actually staying in of all places.
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  Garlic town, USA, which is Gilroy, California, because we couldn't
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  get a place in downtown Monterey.
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  We were commuting in about 40 minutes or so with our Lexus LX
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  600 press vehicle, which I'll talk about here in a little bit.
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  But I wanted to highlight some of the events we went to.
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  And the first little town that's quite charming is Pacific Grove.
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  It's full of like different things to do.
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  There's a motorcycle museum there.
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  There's some great places to eat.
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  It seems to be a repeat offender when it comes to car shows.
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  There's the little car show.
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  There's a couple others.
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  And then there's the classic motorsports car show.
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  They're the authors of not only classic motorsports magazine, but one
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  we're all too familiar with, which is grassroots motorsports magazine.
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  Why I mentioned that.
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  It's debated whether or not the beginning of car week is actually a
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  week from pebble, or if it's longer is that the quote unquote kickoff event
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  for many, many years was the classic motorsports concourse in Pacific Grove.
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  Now we back that up almost a week prior.
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  Car Week really kicks off with the Pasadera concourses, which we had Rick
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  Barnett on the show last year to talk about, and I bumped into him several
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  times while I was there in Monterey.
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  What I liked about Classic Motorsports, it was one of those
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  anything goes kind of shows.
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  All sorts of stuff showed up.
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  You're talking...
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  911s to Camaro swapped MGs to alpha Montreal's to Jaguar
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  XJR homologated race cars.
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  It was actually a really great show.
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  I really enjoyed it.
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  Mad props to the classic motor sports guys and free magazine.
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  So I'm going to flip through it.
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  I'm going to take a look at this thing.
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  Lots of really cool stuff in here.
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  Also in Pacific Grove, I mentioned the little car show.
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  That was a lot of fun.
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  We returned for that.
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  It's historically been.
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  Cars with 1, 601 cc's or less.
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  So we're talking 1.
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  5 liters, 1.
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  6 liters rounded up this year.
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  They opened it up to 1.
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  8 liters.
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  So 1, 801 cc's, which kind of opened up the field a little bit, allowed some
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  Miatas in and Nissan Pulsars, like all sorts of crazy stuff in the eighties
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  because as engines got bigger, so did the little car show need to grow.
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  So that was a lot of fun.
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  Saw a lot of micro cars, Japanese imports, you know, stuff like that.
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  So I thought that was pretty cool.
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  How many Mark 4 1.
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  8 T's did you see, or does the power adder take it over?
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  It doesn't cause they're just classified by displacement and technically we're
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  1787, but I saw absolutely zero Mark 4s.
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  Cause they were all at Radwood.
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  No, but you know who did represent us from the dubber side was a G60
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  Parato that was in excellent shape.
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  So one of the other events that I think I have to say when I look back was maybe
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  one of my favorites and that's Radius.
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  By Broad Arrow.
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  And so Broad Arrow got bought by Hagerty.
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  So it's part of that whole, you know, they bought motor sports
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  reg, they bought Radwood, they're putting all this stuff together.
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  So they've relabeled the Broad Arrow auction to Radius.
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  And they're going to be doing this at Amelia as well in a couple other places.
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  And what I liked was it was set at the Monterey jet center, which
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  is the airport there in Monterey.
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  And they made it look and feel like a late fifties, early
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  sixties, Hollywood movie set.
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  It just had this.
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  appeal to it.
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  It had this feel of luxury.
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  It also doubled for the location for the motor Lux, which was later
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  in the evening, which is more of like a black tie type of gala event.
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  But the caliber of cars they had, I thought was pretty awesome ranging from,
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  you know, the big doozies and the Packards and stuff like that, all the way to crazy
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  concept cars like Weigert's vector or an Isdera 108, which I'm wearing the t shirt
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  and a little show and tell here as well.
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  And really everything in between the big three cars up on stage, Ferrari F50,
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  Ferrari 288 GTO, and a Dyson Porsche.
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  Those were like the headlining cars.
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  Did you just say F 50?
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  I did say five, zero five, zero.
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  Okay.
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  The most undesirable of the F cars is what you're trying to say
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  was a highlights of the events.
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  I know you love that car.
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  I do.
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  It was the only one at 50, apparently up for auction and
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  all of car week where there was half a dozen at forties for sale.
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  People don't get rid of them.
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  They keep them.
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  They didn't make that many to begin with either.
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  Right.
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  Whatever.
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  It was cool seeing one again in person.
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  I mean, I haven't seen one in years and they are pretty rare.
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  So I've got all sorts of pictures of that.
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  It's actually that headline photo of the radius article that we wrote.
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  And that's part of what made this week stressful too.
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  We were averaging four to five events.
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  day over 10 days, and then we were writing every night, processing pictures.
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  So we tried to highlight events that were really unique and really different.
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  Radius was one of them.
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  It just had this champagne and roses type of feel to it that other
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  events didn't have, but all the events are different and that's.
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  Part of the awesomeness of Car Week.
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  I did pick up a copy of Hagerty's Driver's Club magazine, which I've
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  been wanting to get from anybody that had Hagerty shirts, but I figured,
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  Hey, it's available for free.
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  So I'm going to check it out.
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  And this particular issue covers Porsche's 75th birthday.
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  So I'm looking forward to flipping through that and reading the articles.
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  As many of our listeners probably know, we had John Kramer on from Mecham.
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  We did a special pre release through Patreon, a couple other things.
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  If you wanted to go behind the scenes of the auction, get some pro tips from
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  John, we got his road to success story.
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  But what we ended up doing was when we went to Mecham to see their Monterey,
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  what they call the daytime auction, we actually ran into John again.
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  He said, Hey, let me take you behind the scenes of the auction
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  and show you how it runs.
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  Unbelievably busy, super chaotic.
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  And we have all that footage.
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  It's up on our YouTube.
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  It was really nice of him to do that.
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  We got access to all sorts of stuff that you don't normally see.
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  Met a bunch of people like in the production studio, other commentators, you
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  know, just watch the auction unfold live.
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  And it is more of that traditional, you know, standard American auction
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  where you got the guy up there, but I mean, it's just this constant.
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  Never ending cycle of cars coming in and off the block.
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  And if a car spends more than two minutes on the block, it's too much.
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  And so it's this just parade and this commotion, and it's very different.
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  It's very lively.
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  It's energetic.
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  And when you go out on the field, then you can see the
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  cars that are still up for sale.
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  The ones that have sold what they've sold for it's very interactive.
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  So that was a lot of fun.
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  And again, really appreciate John taking us on that tour and showing
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  us how the auction runs and how it operates behind the scenes.
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  I did actually watch some of the Mecham auctions because they
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  had coverage on Motor Trend app.
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  So I was able to catch some of that.
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  And you're right.
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  Like, I didn't see any car go across the block and spend more than like
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  a minute and a half, two minutes.
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  They were boom, boom, boom.
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  Get off the block.
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  Even if they weren't sold, you know, they put the little graphic up.
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  The bid goes on.
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  Yeah.
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  Uh, yeah, I, I like watching those auctions.
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  I like watching them with older people like my father in law and my dad.
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  Because they love to reminisce about the vehicles and then complain
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  about how much they sell for.
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  You know, I'm glad you brought up the bid goes on.
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  John took us over there in the behind the scenes.
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  That's actually a separate section of the auction where you can continue to
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  bid on the cars once they're off the block and actually negotiate a price
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  rather than the whole, you know, 50, 51, 52, you know, all that kind of stuff.
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  You can settle down and say, okay, I'm offering this.
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  Are you willing to take it?
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  Negotiate with the owners if they're there, stuff like that.
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  So it's really interesting how they run that.
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  But to your point, Brad, a minute and a half, two minutes, every car
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  on the block, they got 600 cars to go through in like three days.
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  So they got to keep that thing moving.
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  Well, I got to give a shout out to Steve Cuttrell at Veloce media.
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  We ran into him so many times, whether it was at his place, at the premier of the
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  new beer rally time at Concorso Italiano, which I'll talk about here in a minute.
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  To some private parties that were at his place.
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  I felt like we were bumping into Steve every two minutes and especially
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  thankful that he opened up his place for us to take a photo shoot for our
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  Lexus press car came out really cool.
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  He's got this awesome octopus mural in the background.
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  There's actually a jellyfish one buried in the back behind where
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  the kitchen is and stuff like that.
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  There, you're going to see those photos in a garage style article
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  coming out where we feature.
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  Veloce media and they're building.
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  It's really cool because it's unassuming from the street.
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  You drive by it, not even paying attention to it.
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  And inside it's a wooden roof and all this glass and that mural.
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  And it was the really great backdrop to take photos of the Lexus and they
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  came out really, really awesome.
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  So I got to give a nod to Steve at Veloce, but also because this
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  happens almost all the time.
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  You're like so tired, you're done with the day, done all these events.
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  And then the phone rings.
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  And Don's like, Hey, we just got invited to two private
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  parties or three private parties.
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  Which one do you want to go to?
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  And you're like, none.
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  You know, I just want, I want to go home and process pictures, but
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  we would do that in the evenings go where people invited us.
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  And so we ended up back at Steve's one evening for the Vance party.
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  And so a Vance is a.
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  Lifestyle brand and magazine.
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  Every issue is about 140 pages, beautiful photographs, really,
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  really nice stuff in this magazine.
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  The one I have here is the Monterey edition.
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  So I got to actually meet Avance.
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  I got to meet those guys.
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  And while we were there chatting and looking at Ferrari two fifties and
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  wide body nine 11s and all this kind of stuff that was in the showroom in walks.
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  Matt Farah from the Smoking Tire and Jason Kamisa from Haggerty.
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  We stood there for a while and I kept thinking, Brad wants
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  me to talk to these guys.
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  Like, I gotta talk to these guys.
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  And I'm there with Mike Piptone from ESE Carbon, who we'll talk
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  about here in a minute as well.
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  And he's like, let's go talk to Jason.
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  Let's do it.
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  So we're standing there like two fools.
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  And Matt Farah and Jason are having this conversation.
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  I snapped a photo.
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  I don't know what they were talking about, but the expressions on their
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  face was really, really funny.
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  But Brad, that's as close as I got because we unfortunately
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  got pulled to another party.
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  I know that Mike went and talked to Jason.
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  So if you guys are listening, love to have you on the show, would love to get
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  your road to success stories on break fix.
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  So look forward to an email that's going to go to spam in the near future.
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  I had to go to my more familiar stomping grounds.
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  The racetrack the Monterey Historics at WeatherTech Laguna Seca Raceway.
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  They sort of run autonomous from concurrently with Car Week, but
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  traditionally there was a race around Pebble Beach back in the 50s
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  as a Grand Prix and then eventually moved to Laguna Seca in 1957.
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  It was always the lead up to the Pebble Beach Concourse.
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  The idea was you go race your car.
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  And then you go show your car.
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  Now, what they do is what they call the tour de elegance, which
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  we have a video of that as well.
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  It kind of simulates the old days racing around Monterey on 17 mile drive and
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  around pebble beach and things like that.
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  And then they end back at the Concord and get the car stage.
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  Meanwhile, the historics are going on at Laguna Seca 300 cars.
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  There were 13 classes of cars running every day, either between
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  practice qualifying, and then there was race one and race two.
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  So I went on race day, hyper focused on group four.
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  Which was 1981 to 91 Trans Am, IMSA, GTO, all the big body cars, V8 stuff.
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  Was hoping there was going to be a five cylinder fire breathing dragon of
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  an Audi there, but it was still fun.
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  Corvettes, and there was a Newman Nissan in the mix, so that was good.
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  And then group six was vintage Formula One cars, which was just...
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  Earshatteringly awesome.
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  And then group 13, which was my absolute favorite.
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  We had to stick around to the end of the day to watch them.
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  You had Pat Long in his Celeste green, Bianchi blue,
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  whatever you want to call it.
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  Porsche 962 amongst other 962s, Audi R8, you had Jaguars, you had Buicks, you had
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  Spice Budweiser cars, all sorts of stuff.
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  Basically Le Mans prototypes, GTP cars celebrating, you know,
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  the hundredth Le Mans that was.
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  Spectacular to watch, especially big turbo cars running around Laguna Seca.
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  Absolutely amazing.
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  And Laguna is one of those awesome tracks where you can see from everywhere, but it
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  requires a little bit of hiking to get to different vantage points, but absolutely
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  amazing to be there on race day.
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  You were there for motorcycles too, weren't you?
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  There were bikes there, but I didn't see them.
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  Were they running in the same day?
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  Just different group.
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  We got there a little later in the morning cause we had to cover.
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  Portia works first, which I'm going to mention now.
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  And then we ended up at Laguna lunchtime on, because we had looked at the
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  schedule going, these are the three groups that we really want to see.
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  So I missed the bikes and all that kind of stuff.
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  But as you wandered the paddock, there was a little bit of everything.
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  You've got a note here for Corvette 70th.
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  Do you want to touch on that?
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  Or that's a really great reminder.
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  You know, we've mentioned many times.
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  We have a special episode that we did with the IMRRC about
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  the 70th birthday of Corvette.
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  It coincides with Porsche's 75th.
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  They're always trying to one up each other.
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  So I kind of split hairs on thoughts.
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  I was having a lot to track.
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  I did a coverage of the Monterey Historics, but I also did an article
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  called Porsche versus Corvette.
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  Trying to decide whether or not one or the other is the every man's sports car.
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  And you'll have to read it to find the conclusion.
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  Is that the sequel to Ford versus Ferrari?
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  Yeah, I think so.
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  It's Porsche versus Corvette.
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  But what was nice is they had a really cool display of Corvettes.
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  I'd never seen in person.
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  Some of the prototypes, the Aerovette was there.
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  They had Ben Keating's Corvette that I saw live at Le Mans, the winning Corvette.
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  So that was fun to walk through that outdoor museum that they set up and
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  photograph that I have pictures of.
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  Of all sorts of the different Corvettes that were there and they were making
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  a big to do celebrating Corvette.
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  And like I mentioned before, Porsche works, which is the PCA sponsored event.
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  They were celebrating Porsche in style.
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  Some of the craziest cars you've ever seen.
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  Some of the craziest colors you've ever seen.
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  I ran into the.
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  Current executive director and former executive directors.
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  That's Vu and Manny from PCA.
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  And we had a chat.
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  So they've agreed to come on the show in the future and do a crossover with us,
• 17:13
  but it was good to reconnect with them.
• 17:15
  They're in the same region that we're in here on the East coast.
• 17:17
  They actually did a segment on the crazy colors of Porsches at Porsche Works.
• 17:22
  So there's a video there on PCA.
• 17:23
  org to check out.
• 17:24
  So that was a lot of fun reconnecting with those guys.
• 17:26
  And Porsche Works was a great show to attend.
• 17:29
  It was free to anybody that wanted to go and check it out.
• 17:31
  To answer your question online on Instagram.
• 17:33
  Graham, the answer is always green.
• 17:35
  Always.
• 17:36
  So it's always green versus lime.
• 17:39
  Yeah, yeah, it's always lime.
• 17:40
  Lemon just doesn't look right on it unless it's a yellow bird.
• 17:43
  Well, it's funny.
• 17:44
  You bring up lemons.
• 17:45
  Cause I did go to the concourse.
• 17:47
  The lemons, please touch on.
• 17:50
  It's exactly what you expect.
• 17:52
  It's the hoopties.
• 17:53
  It's the rust buckets.
• 17:55
  It's the undesirables.
• 17:57
  It's the ugly cars.
• 17:58
  Like we talked about on our, what should I buy ugly cars episode?
• 18:00
  It's everything you can think of.
• 18:02
  And then some other stuff you didn't even know existed.
• 18:04
  I feel like you missed an opportunity to win something with your former Aztec.
• 18:11
  Wasn't mine.
• 18:12
  Didn't own it.
• 18:14
  Well, there was an Aztec there along with a silhouette, the dust buster of
• 18:18
  minivans and other stuff like that.
• 18:20
  Oh, the silhouette.
• 18:21
  That's the one that basically looks like Illumina.
• 18:23
  Yep.
• 18:24
  The guy actually had a dust buster on the windshield.
• 18:26
  It was hilarious.
• 18:27
  I was like, this is awesome.
• 18:28
  So the thing about concourse, the lemons is.
• 18:31
  Thank God it's free because you get exactly what you pay for.
• 18:35
  I did a video of it.
• 18:37
  It's on our YouTube.
• 18:38
  It's compressed.
• 18:39
  I literally it's concours de lemons in 60 seconds because that's really all you
• 18:43
  need to understand what happened there.
• 18:46
  So a lot of fun.
• 18:47
  It is a bit of a circus to prizes and giveaways.
• 18:50
  And the announcers are making fun of each other, making fun of the cars.
• 18:53
  And there's a guy on top of his vehicle riding a bucking Bronco.
• 18:57
  I mean, it's the weirdest stuff you've ever seen is at the show.
• 19:01
  So why not just enjoy it, right?
• 19:03
  It's part of car week.
• 19:04
  It's part of car culture.
• 19:05
  And that's what car week's about is the celebration of car culture.
• 19:09
  So then we step into the more serious side of car week.
• 19:12
  As we get closer to bevel, once you get to the Wednesday, Thursday, that's when
• 19:16
  everybody starts to arrive in town.
• 19:18
  The celebrities start to show up.
• 19:20
  Things are getting more serious.
• 19:21
  Cars are getting ready for the tour de Elegance, like all this kind of stuff.
• 19:24
  The auctions are.
• 19:25
  Still sort of going, but wrapping up.
• 19:27
  Everybody's trying to get to pebble, right?
• 19:29
  That is Nirvana for this entire week.
• 19:32
  So we took the time to go to concorso italiano touted as the largest
• 19:37
  collection of Italian cars, basically all in one spot other than Italy.
• 19:41
  True.
• 19:43
  I would like to think that Italy would win that by default.
• 19:46
  I think there was more Fiat's at this show than there is in Italy, though.
• 19:49
  I will say that.
• 19:50
  More running Fiat.
• 19:51
  You mean?
• 19:51
  Yeah.
• 19:51
  A hundred percent.
• 19:52
  Absolutely gorgeous cars.
• 19:54
  When you come on through the gates, it's Lamborghini all day.
• 19:58
  And there's Lamborghinis that we talk about where it's like, Oh, the Halpa
• 20:02
  and the Jarama and the Espada and you're like, Oh, they're super cool.
• 20:05
  And there's six of them right there.
• 20:07
  And you're like, never seen so many in one spot at the same time.
• 20:10
  They had this neat stage set up.
• 20:12
  They had a fashion show.
• 20:14
  They had announcers and then they would take certain cars out of
• 20:17
  the field and then drive them in.
• 20:18
  I actually have a video of a Bizzarini Strada, which is the Bizzarini Coupe,
• 20:22
  which is Chevy V8 powered by the way.
• 20:25
  Yeehaw.
• 20:25
  And he's revving and idling and sitting there and it's just blah,
• 20:29
  blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 20:29
  You know, the whole thing like you'd expect from a Trans Am.
• 20:32
  So we've got that up.
• 20:33
  It was a lot of fun.
• 20:35
  I spent some time wandering around the Ferrari section and quickly realized
• 20:39
  I could buy merchandise at a Formula One race and it would be cheaper.
• 20:42
  I didn't bring anything home.
• 20:45
  That said, the Fiat's and the Alfa Romeo's though, I mean, if they had
• 20:49
  tucked them any further back, they would have been at a different car show.
• 20:52
  Like they were up over the hill, out of the way.
• 20:55
  Nobody wants to see X one nines.
• 20:57
  Maybe they were in a different car show.
• 20:59
  You just stumbled upon it.
• 21:00
  I had fun talking to those guys at a delightful conversation with a guy who
• 21:05
  did a custom livery on his alpha four C looked really slick, but your GTV sixes
• 21:10
  one 64s Milano's all the old stuff.
• 21:13
  I appreciate.
• 21:13
  I was hoping to see an alpha S Z, which is one of my favorites.
• 21:17
  It wasn't to be, but I did talk to a lot of X one nine owners and Fiat one 24 guys.
• 21:21
  That was really cool.
• 21:22
  I mean, Concorso was a lot of fun.
• 21:24
  You got to see the cars that we salivate over and you just drop a name.
• 21:28
  Countach, Diablo, 328, 348, Testarossa, 288.
• 21:33
  It didn't matter.
• 21:34
  They were all at that show.
• 21:35
  So it's really worth going to, if you appreciate Italian cars.
• 21:39
  Spoiler alert, cause you're going to talk about this later.
• 21:41
  Is this.
• 21:42
  Where you got to talk to the CEO of Lamborghini or was it a different event?
• 21:46
  No, I got to talk to Stefan Winkleman while I was at Pebble beach.
• 21:51
  That's another story for another time, like five minutes from now.
• 21:56
  So we went to a new event new for this year, sponsored by NECOM is called
• 22:01
  the Monterey motor sports festival.
• 22:03
  Shout out to David at MIE racing for bringing this to our attention.
• 22:07
  He knows some folks over there.
• 22:08
  He says, you got to go to the show.
• 22:09
  You got to cover it.
• 22:10
  You got to check it out.
• 22:11
  It's very different than anything I've described so far.
• 22:14
  It's sort of Monterey's version of grid life without the
• 22:18
  drifting and the track event.
• 22:19
  It's all the other parts of grid life.
• 22:21
  It's that festival.
• 22:22
  It's the music, it's newer cars.
• 22:24
  It's the things you don't see at all the other shows, right?
• 22:27
  The tuner cars, all the JDM stuff, because you walk around, you're like.
• 22:31
  Where's all, where's all the newer European stuff or newer Japanese cars.
• 22:34
  So you don't see a lot of that at the other shows.
• 22:36
  So it was nice, more bar speed, more my style.
• 22:40
  The older guys were just like, yeah, it's okay.
• 22:42
  It's cool.
• 22:43
  You know, blah, blah, blah.
• 22:44
  The food was hands down the best.
• 22:47
  Well, yeah, it's our people.
• 22:48
  Food truck food for the win.
• 22:50
  So they got that right.
• 22:51
  It was super awesome.
• 22:53
  The singers they had up on stage, Brad, I think you would have appreciated
• 22:56
  that they were really, really good.
• 22:58
  This one woman.
• 22:59
  Had a real knack for making herself sound like a Carly Simon or a Linda Ronstadt.
• 23:04
  She was very flexible, very adaptable in her singing.
• 23:07
  So that was a lot of fun.
• 23:08
  We actually watched her for quite a while and then, you know, took turns
• 23:11
  looking at different cars and stuff.
• 23:12
  Were they like a cover band or were they like a legitimate artist?
• 23:16
  No cover band.
• 23:17
  I don't remember her name, unfortunately.
• 23:18
  She's out of New York city.
• 23:19
  I'm sure we can look it up and see who it was.
• 23:21
  It was a great performance and it added a good ambience to the show.
• 23:25
  And in front of her on stage was a Maserati and then an old Packard.
• 23:29
  And oh, they had a mix of cars kind of highlighting all the different decades.
• 23:33
  And she made a point to mention that between songs as they were
• 23:36
  changing some of the instruments out.
• 23:38
  And that's also where I got an opportunity to see some cars from Mecham
• 23:41
  that I didn't see when I was there to include a wide body Speedster V8 914.
• 23:49
  Which was just off the charts insane.
• 23:52
  I was like, how did I know this thing was for sale?
• 23:53
  I might've bid on it.
• 23:54
  It's kind of cool.
• 23:55
  We have to ramp up the big two events.
• 23:57
  The ones that everybody talks about every year are the quail and pebble.
• 24:02
  And it comes down to which one do you go to?
• 24:05
  Which one do you spend the money to go to?
• 24:06
  Because both are very expensive.
• 24:08
  Both are very posh.
• 24:09
  If you look at the cover photo of the quail video that we just.
• 24:13
  Quickly put together, you kind of get an idea of what the quail is all about,
• 24:17
  but what's interesting is that even though it's sponsored by bottoms and
• 24:21
  it has been for many, many years, it's a little bit more modern than pebble.
• 24:25
  You had brands like singer there, you had Maserati showing off new cars.
• 24:29
  You had a new Bentley prototype Kia was there with some of their concept cars.
• 24:34
  So it was a little bit more.
• 24:36
  Modern, but it was a very upscale event.
• 24:39
  So it's really kind of cool to see that intersection between those two ideas
• 24:44
  represented at a very high profile concord before we get into pebble.
• 24:48
  I have to know what did you wear?
• 24:51
  Did you look like the help or did you look like someone who belonged there?
• 24:54
  Well, I was warned ahead of time that I needed to bring a change of clothes.
• 24:57
  A lot of events I went to polo shirt, jeans.
• 25:01
  Nicer shoes in Pacific Grove.
• 25:03
  You could go in jeans and a t shirt or shorts.
• 25:05
  Didn't really matter.
• 25:06
  Did you wear the yellow?
• 25:07
  Everyone has a story.
• 25:09
  I did not because I didn't want to look like a flagger.
• 25:14
  Apple is probably where I dressed up the most.
• 25:16
  You're talking slack sport coat, you know, all that kind of stuff.
• 25:19
  It is more upscale.
• 25:20
  You know, you got to represent when you look around, everybody has those.
• 25:23
  Funny straw hats, which I thought about buying one, but when you look at the
• 25:26
  hat and it doesn't have a price in the price tag, you know, you probably
• 25:29
  don't or want or can't afford it.
• 25:31
  So I'm just like, I'm going to leave that alone.
• 25:33
  There's a lot of hype around pebble beach been around for 70 some odd years now
• 25:38
  on the golf course on the 18th fairway.
• 25:41
  It is supposed to be the epitome of luxury high life and all this kind of stuff.
• 25:45
  And some of the finest cars in the world.
• 25:47
  And one of the things I came to find out which I thought was really interesting
• 25:50
  is they've incorporated the concept cars and I got to see where the DeLorean
• 25:54
  reimagined was unveiled last year because they have other concept cars in that
• 25:58
  area that's actually before you even enter pebble basically was a really large
• 26:02
  putting green right near the pro shop.
• 26:05
  I also learned that cars that enter Pebble and not reenter Pebble
• 26:09
  for like upwards of a decade.
• 26:11
  So once it's been accepted and shown, you won't see that same
• 26:15
  car again at Pebble beach.
• 26:16
  They try to really mix it up.
• 26:18
  So you don't have the same champion every year or the same three cars competing.
• 26:21
  You're like, I've seen all these before.
• 26:23
  They want to mix it up.
• 26:24
  They really want to break up the show.
• 26:26
  It is sectioned off.
• 26:28
  So you've got like an entire section of pre war cars, Packards, preservation
• 26:33
  group, Porsche group, and you can go from group to group to group and kind
• 26:36
  of focus on what you really like.
• 26:38
  The difference between the Avants party and Quail, even Broad Arrows Radius.
• 26:44
  Pebble is where all the it people are.
• 26:47
  It's where all the celebrities come.
• 26:48
  It's where all the movie stars are.
• 26:50
  It's where all the CEOs and executives.
• 26:52
  I mean, I was 10 feet from the current CEO of Ford.
• 26:55
  I talked to Stefan from Lamborghini while I was standing next to Magnus Walker.
• 27:00
  And I've recognized other people that have been on the show and things like that.
• 27:03
  And it's just like, this is the who's who of California and of the
• 27:07
  automotive world all in one spot.
• 27:09
  And we're surrounded by the most beautiful cars you've ever seen.
• 27:11
  What's funny is the pebble actually has two books.
• 27:14
  There's the little field guide, which is packed full of information
• 27:16
  while you're looking at cars.
• 27:17
  And then there's the big pebble program, which is like the phone book, just full
• 27:21
  of stuff sponsored by Rolex, everything you come to expect from all these brands.
• 27:26
  It is a cut above, but the question becomes.
• 27:30
  If you're going to these shows as a civilian or as a layman, you really
• 27:33
  have to build Car Week on a budget.
• 27:35
  Pebble's not cheap.
• 27:36
  500 for a ticket.
• 27:38
  Scalper's up to 800.
• 27:39
  Quail's not cheap either.
• 27:41
  A lot of these events add up quick.
• 27:42
  So you got to have a big budget or decide, I want to just focus on
• 27:45
  this and then do all the surrounding shows and private parties.
• 27:48
  And there's something for everybody during Car Week.
• 27:50
  So you got to kind of make those financial decisions.
• 27:52
  It's not like I can do everything and be everywhere during Car Week.
• 27:56
  So pebble or Amelia Island that was thrown around a lot too, but having talked
• 28:01
  to people that have been to Amelia and not that there's anything wrong with
• 28:04
  Amelia, there's gorgeous cars there.
• 28:05
  They're coming from the East.
• 28:07
  There's not the rest of what makes up car week at Amelia.
• 28:10
  You go to Amelia for Amelia.
• 28:12
  There's not the driving tours and there are the private parties,
• 28:16
  but there's not 16 other car shows happening on the same day as Amelia.
• 28:20
  There's just.
• 28:21
  That one event.
• 28:22
  Now there's been talk that, you know, how the Haggerty's involved, that that's
• 28:25
  going to grow rebranding as radius, just like they did with the broad arrow event.
• 28:29
  So really interested to see how Emilia evolves.
• 28:32
  It would be really cool if it turned into another car week, but it's
• 28:36
  going to take some time to get there.
• 28:37
  Are you going to tell us about your conversation with Stefan or are
• 28:42
  you going to keep that to yourself?
• 28:43
  You know what?
• 28:44
  I'm going to save it for a future break fix episode.
• 28:46
  How about that?
• 28:47
  Yeah.
• 28:47
  And I do see here that you saw the new Kuntosh.
• 28:50
  I.
• 28:50
  Did tell us your thoughts, Mr.
• 28:53
  Hater.
• 28:54
  I don't hate it as much anymore.
• 28:57
  Imagine that it does look better in person than in pictures.
• 29:04
  It's not that it's horrible in picture.
• 29:06
  It's just, you're kind of like, is that right?
• 29:08
  Does that look right?
• 29:09
  When you see it coming, EB one 10 Bugatti, which doesn't photograph
• 29:14
  well either, but you see it in person, you're like, that's the Batmobile.
• 29:18
  And the Countach in that white, it's huge.
• 29:21
  It's wide.
• 29:22
  It's low, sort of like the old Countach, where it's just so over the
• 29:26
  top, you can't stop looking at it.
• 29:29
  And every angle you look at it, it's one of those cars, you see something else.
• 29:33
  And that's what you don't see in the photographs.
• 29:35
  Cause the photographs are almost too polished.
• 29:37
  They're almost too rendered, but to see it in person, I mean, I just stood there.
• 29:41
  And I'm just like, I don't know what to say.
• 29:43
  I like it.
• 29:44
  I still think Magnus's version of it is better, but you
• 29:46
  know, Hey, to each his own.
• 29:47
  All right.
• 29:48
  One of the other things that really stood out at pebble, we're talking
• 29:50
  about car spotting was the McLaren display right along the coastline.
• 29:54
  Awesome.
• 29:55
  And I stopped dead in my tracks.
• 29:56
  And just had a moment amongst all the noise.
• 29:59
  I had a moment of silence for Senna's F1 car, took all sorts of pictures of it.
• 30:04
  And, you know, it was funny as a guy walks up and, you know, I'm just kind of
• 30:06
  standing there, not like I'm meditating or, you know, kneeling down or anything,
• 30:10
  but he's like, whose car is this?
• 30:11
  Like I recognize it.
• 30:12
  And I'm like, bro, seriously.
• 30:15
  And he was an older guy and he's an admitted Formula One fan.
• 30:18
  I said to him, it's Senna's car.
• 30:20
  He's like, well, how do you know?
• 30:20
  And I was like, it's written right on the hoop, dude.
• 30:22
  But it's number 12.
• 30:24
  It's his car.
• 30:25
  It's pretty legendary Formula One car here.
• 30:27
  We had a good laugh and then we were chatting.
• 30:29
  So we continued to walk along.
• 30:30
  And then next to that was one of Donahue's McLarens.
• 30:33
  One of Bruce McLaren's McLaren's.
• 30:35
  Then you had Mika Hawkin's, McLaren, then you had James Hunt scaffolding
• 30:40
  multiple wings and all this crazy stuff.
• 30:42
  So that to me, as a racer and a motor sports enthusiast, that was awesome.
• 30:47
  That was my favorite part of Pebble and I didn't know it was gonna be there.
• 30:50
  So that just immediate surprise.
• 30:52
  As I came around the corner and their Senna's car and all the rest of 'em,
• 30:56
  I was just like, that sold it for me.
• 30:58
  That was amazing.
• 30:59
  And you didn't get arrested for trying to climb in.
• 31:01
  I'm proud of you.
• 31:01
  You know, my media pass gets me to certain places too.
• 31:04
  You know, cross over those chains a little bit.
• 31:07
  All in all, Car Week was amazing.
• 31:09
  It is completely a blur.
• 31:11
  We're talking 18 hour days, just nonstop.
• 31:14
  Go here, go there driving around.
• 31:16
  I think we clocked 2000 miles of driving or something insane.
• 31:20
  It's a lot of work, maybe not physically demanding, but
• 31:22
  it's just mentally stressful.
• 31:24
  You're looking at the events, not through the eyes of a participant either.
• 31:27
  You're looking at it through the eyes of the press.
• 31:28
  What looks good?
• 31:29
  Camera angles is the lighting, right?
• 31:31
  And there's a lot of decisions.
• 31:32
  How are we going to use this?
• 31:33
  Make sure you grab that car because that could be a winner.
• 31:36
  So you got to photograph everything.
• 31:38
  It's kind of nuts at the end of the day, but I don't want to say it was a
• 31:41
  once in a lifetime opportunity, but it was definitely something I'm glad I'm
• 31:44
  now able to check off my bucket list.
• 31:46
  And I did it in a big, big way.
• 31:48
  Well with that, it's time we move on to Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche news.
• 31:52
  What is this thing?
• 31:53
  What is this?
• 31:54
  Oh yeah!
• 31:55
  I don't know what this is, but apparently it's Audi honoring 150 years since
• 32:01
  manufacturing began in Neckarsalem.
• 32:05
  It's called the NSU Prins 4.
• 32:08
  And it's unrecognizable as an Audi?
• 32:11
  NSU, for those that don't know the wider history of the auto union, was one of the
• 32:16
  four circles in the rings of Audi, right?
• 32:18
  So NSU was absorbed into the auto union and the NSU Prince was one of
• 32:23
  these little like Nash metropolitan things that they made back in the day.
• 32:28
  NSU is also where the Wankel, the rotary was born.
• 32:32
  So side by side with the original one, this looks so much better.
• 32:36
  Yeah.
• 32:36
  It's a re imagination of the original NSU prints.
• 32:39
  I've really liked it.
• 32:39
  It kind of reminds me of what Alpine is doing with the new R5.
• 32:43
  I don't necessarily feel good about the back of it.
• 32:46
  I don't understand, like it's got a very long trunk lid and a very
• 32:50
  long rear spoiler wing thing.
• 32:53
  Double spoiler action going on.
• 32:55
  It's the fender flares that do it for me.
• 32:57
  I like the fender flares.
• 32:58
  So I like the look from the front.
• 33:00
  It's very low.
• 33:00
  It's very squat.
• 33:01
  It's boxy, but with round headlights, although they're oval, but with two
• 33:05
  round headlights inside the oval.
• 33:07
  Okay.
• 33:07
  So aren't those the Rivian lights just turned on their side?
• 33:10
  They're reminiscent.
• 33:13
  They could be, they probably sourced them from the same place Rivian did.
• 33:16
  Again, this is right up there with the re imagined R5, the Opal Manta EV.
• 33:21
  Some of the other ones that have come out, this is not going anywhere.
• 33:24
  This is just a concept, right?
• 33:26
  Yeah.
• 33:26
  Can they make it?
• 33:27
  I mean, I'd be happy with it.
• 33:29
  I see.
• 33:29
  Unfortunately, nobody's going to buy that a rich person is going to buy
• 33:32
  it just to say that they have it.
• 33:33
  There's nothing practical about that car.
• 33:35
  It's so small considering how it actually looks smaller than the original.
• 33:40
  I'm going to guess the original is not that big, right?
• 33:43
  It's not practical enough for today's standards.
• 33:46
  Well, let's talk about another car that's being reimagined.
• 33:49
  Porsche made an announcement.
• 33:51
  Their Vision 357 Speedster, celebrating 75 years.
• 33:56
  Yes.
• 33:57
  So what is this?
• 33:58
  It's a car.
• 33:59
  It's like a weird 356.
• 34:04
  But I like it, but I don't, I don't know what to think of it.
• 34:07
  Like there's really cool aspects to it.
• 34:09
  I think the wheels are really neat.
• 34:10
  I like that grill in the back that reminds me of a three 56 with those
• 34:14
  striations that they had, you know, back then that canopy is obviously
• 34:18
  from the three 56 speedster.
• 34:19
  There's some elements of the five 50 spider in this car.
• 34:22
  They could have also just called it an electric boxster.
• 34:25
  Yeah.
• 34:25
  And that's what I'm trying to figure out.
• 34:26
  So it's obviously mid engine, but the front clip still looks like a nine 11.
• 34:30
  Like an old 911, but it doesn't have headlights either.
• 34:34
  So I'm trying to figure out how that works or it does.
• 34:37
  And it's just like, they beam through perforations.
• 34:40
  I don't know.
• 34:40
  I'd have to see it in person.
• 34:41
  It's kind of cool.
• 34:42
  Again, it's a concept, so they're probably not going to build it.
• 34:45
  It's just to, I guess, celebrate 75 years of Porsche.
• 34:49
  75 years of the 356.
• 34:51
  Yeah.
• 34:52
  Well, and this is just it.
• 34:53
  This is what I expected when they were making that big reveal when Le
• 34:57
  Mans was happening on June the 8th.
• 34:59
  And then they revealed the 9X.
• 35:01
  We were guessing that it was going to be some sort of homage to the 356.
• 35:05
  It didn't happen.
• 35:06
  So here we are a month later and yes, okay, so there is a 356
• 35:09
  sort of prototype speedster car.
• 35:11
  I don't think it would be kind of cool to make something like this.
• 35:14
  There is a hardtop version.
• 35:16
  Really?
• 35:17
  That was the one they announced back in January.
• 35:19
  You can see the picture.
• 35:20
  Yes.
• 35:21
  Which also from the side profile side, it's kind of actually
• 35:24
  pretty hideous, but it's got weird elements of different past Porsches.
• 35:27
  And that's probably the whole point.
• 35:29
  But I will also say, I think it's funny that maybe they'll go
• 35:32
  back to the 300 series numbers.
• 35:35
  Cause I feel like Porsche has exhausted the nine hundreds at this point.
• 35:38
  I mean, that's why we have nine, nine, one dot one and nine, nine, one dot two.
• 35:42
  And because they're just running out of model numbers.
• 35:44
  So maybe going back to the three, five, six, and maybe a handful of
• 35:49
  others gives them an opportunity to make some different models, but
• 35:52
  think about the marketing event that would be to have the Porsche 1000.
• 35:58
  And that's something Don and I were joking about, you know, these guys
• 36:00
  talking about their nine, nine, one dot two and nine, nine, two dot whatever.
• 36:04
  When he goes.
• 36:04
  Tell them you have a 9, 9 1 0.4 and see what happens.
• 36:08
  Because they'll be like, wait a minute.
• 36:08
  They didn't make that.
• 36:09
  What, when did the dot three come out?
• 36:11
  Like you get 'em all wrapped around the axle on something
• 36:13
  like that, but dot whatever.
• 36:15
  It's almost like software.
• 36:16
  It's like, oh, windows 10, do one, do two, three.
• 36:19
  I'm like, whatever.
• 36:20
  It's a, an automotive patch, . We'll talk about that in a little bit.
• 36:23
  I like the 3 57, both the speedster and the coop.
• 36:27
  I think they're cool.
• 36:28
  I would take one if I fit and if they made it and if I could afford it.
• 36:31
  There are a lot of variables there that I need to meet before I can take one piece.
• 36:35
  Hmm.
• 36:35
  Well, with that, we need to move on to STIs.
• 36:39
  We actually have some news coming from Chrysler, Dodge Fiat and
• 36:43
  the whole conglomerate, the new 2025 Dodge stealth Durango.
• 36:49
  Did I read that right?
• 36:50
  What?
• 36:53
  What exactly?
• 36:54
  So is it a Stealth or is it a Durango?
• 36:56
  It's a Stealth Durango.
• 36:57
  Oh.
• 36:58
  It's a Durango in Stealth mode that you don't know it's a Durango.
• 37:02
  Oh.
• 37:02
  Okay.
• 37:03
  It's just a Jeep.
• 37:04
  It's incognito.
• 37:05
  It looks like a big Hornet.
• 37:07
  It looks better than the Hornet.
• 37:08
  Like a big square.
• 37:09
  Hornet.
• 37:10
  With 24 inch wheels, or whatever those look like.
• 37:13
  Because the hornet in pictures, although we've seen it in
• 37:16
  person I saw one on the road.
• 37:18
  It looks like the dart was stretched upwards, like a car
• 37:21
  that they turned into an SUV.
• 37:23
  What is that weird Stellantis badge on the front?
• 37:26
  That's the Dodge.
• 37:27
  That's the two red stripes.
• 37:29
  Is that all that is?
• 37:29
  I thought it was an S.
• 37:31
  No.
• 37:31
  Whatever it is, it looks stupid.
• 37:33
  Which is confusing because the Grand Sport has those two
• 37:36
  slashes on the Corvette, right?
• 37:38
  Yeah, the Grand Sport does on the Fender, eh?
• 37:40
  I don't know what it all means.
• 37:41
  All I know is that I've heard nothing but commercials about Dodge
• 37:46
  and the Brotherhood of Muscle.
• 37:47
  I feel like this is...
• 37:49
  In that same realm, it's a muscly SUV has those things on the top of the
• 37:54
  fenders that remind me of the Land Rover.
• 37:56
  The defender would love to see what that actually does in real life.
• 38:00
  Nothing.
• 38:00
  Yeah.
• 38:01
  I would be curious to see it in real life.
• 38:03
  It's interesting.
• 38:04
  Yes.
• 38:04
  So still at this news, Dodge is coming out with a new Durango.
• 38:08
  They're calling it the stealth because they're idiots and some other
• 38:11
  idiots are going to buy it moving on.
• 38:13
  And the sad part is there's only one photograph and I
• 38:16
  think it's just a rendering.
• 38:17
  No, so there's a second photograph if you click in with a different
• 38:21
  logo, with a different emblem.
• 38:23
  You're right.
• 38:23
  You're right.
• 38:24
  The grill is slightly different, but there's no shots from the back.
• 38:26
  And if you do look at their rear quarter panel, it is a little disconcerting.
• 38:31
  It's probably just a rendering.
• 38:32
  It probably does not exist.
• 38:34
  Are there no pictures in those 13 photos?
• 38:36
  Nope.
• 38:36
  It's all pictures of old Durangos.
• 38:38
  There's a picture at the beginning and a picture at the end.
• 38:41
  100 percent clickbait.
• 38:43
  Well, it's Motor Trend, what do you expect?
• 38:45
  Well, you know what isn't clickbait?
• 38:46
  Our domestic news brought to us by American Muscle, your source for Ford,
• 38:50
  Chevy, and sometimes Mopar parts.
• 38:54
  We participated in a zoom session over the last month with Ben
• 38:58
  Keating from team Corvette by way of our friends at the ACO USA.
• 39:03
  And if you tuned into the show this month, you'll see that we also
• 39:06
  interviewed David Lowe, the administrator for the American arm of the ACO.
• 39:11
  And so we can get into more details on that.
• 39:12
  You tune back into break fix, but it was a really great.
• 39:15
  Hour long presentation by Ben.
• 39:17
  He talks about his experience winning Le Mans.
• 39:20
  It's like the second or third time he's done it, obviously with different teams.
• 39:22
  We got the announcement that GM is officially sunsetting the factory
• 39:26
  team, but that doesn't mean that's the end of Corvette at Le Mans.
• 39:29
  What was really cool was listening to him talk about the driver changes,
• 39:34
  driving at night, how hard it was, and the race to the end, especially
• 39:38
  when they were a couple laps down and they came from the back of the
• 39:40
  pack, you know, in GTLM to win it.
• 39:43
  It's available, especially if you become a member of the ACO, you
• 39:46
  can check it out on their Facebook group, the zoom session is out there,
• 39:49
  but it's a really great evening, great discussion with Ben Keating.
• 39:52
  I mentioned we were at pebble beach and I ran into the CEO of Ford.
• 39:57
  I'm just going to read the headline Ford tried to be Tesla and it cost the company.
• 40:03
  Billions and then I look down and I see a picture of Jim Farley and he's like
• 40:08
  rubbing the hood of this F 150 lightning like he's Gollum from Lord of the Rings.
• 40:13
  And all I could keep thinking was my precious, my precious, but the result
• 40:19
  of all of this, if you summarize the article is Ford cut the price.
• 40:22
  Of the F 150 and its stocks took a nosedive.
• 40:26
  Which is apt to happen when somebody does that and then investors get all scared.
• 40:32
  I'm scared.
• 40:32
  Does it mean anything?
• 40:34
  TBD remains to be seen.
• 40:35
  It's all bullshit.
• 40:36
  Like, I don't understand how Tesla is so successful.
• 40:39
  Carbon credits.
• 40:40
  Works out really well for Tesla.
• 40:42
  Because there's this side funneling of money into the company.
• 40:46
  From tech bros and people that, you know, refuse to let their investment die.
• 40:50
  Or Elon himself, just funneling his own money in there, probably.
• 40:54
  Yeah.
• 40:54
  But Ford just has normal customers, so they don't play that game.
• 40:59
  Don says it all the time.
• 41:00
  You sell more Fords than Ferraris.
• 41:03
  And so if they can make something that appeals to the masses, like the F 150,
• 41:07
  just got to get the recipe, right?
• 41:09
  People bought on to the Tesla bandwagon, just like the iPhone.
• 41:13
  And so is the Ford F 150 the Android?
• 41:16
  I don't want to make that analogy, but you kind of get my point, right?
• 41:20
  The F 150, as we've said before, is the best selling vehicle in North America.
• 41:24
  The question is, was electrifying it the right move?
• 41:27
  I've also heard that Ford is backing the throttle off on V6 EcoBoost
• 41:34
  150s and they're moving back to V8s.
• 41:36
  So what does that mean exactly?
• 41:39
  What's old is new again.
• 41:40
  The coyote.
• 41:41
  Oh!
• 41:42
  Funny little tidbit, Elon Musk actually commented on the price of the F 150
• 41:46
  Lightning saying it's too expensive.
• 41:49
  Oh, there's the popcorn, the kettle black.
• 41:50
  He was complimentary saying that the Ford Lightning was a good vehicle, though.
• 41:54
  Good vehicle, yes, but somewhat expensive, especially given the high interest rates.
• 41:59
  And so the Ford is what, like 40, 000 right now?
• 42:02
  Something around that?
• 42:03
  It's supposed to be 40, 000 or started 40, but they were selling around 50, 000.
• 42:07
  The Cybertruck's going to be, it starts around 50 and depending on what
• 42:11
  you do, tri motor, bi motor, single motor, quadruple motor, they don't even
• 42:15
  have prices out yet when they first announced that they had prices and
• 42:18
  the tri motor was supposed to be like 75 to 80 because that's the one that
• 42:22
  I have on hold for a hundred dollars.
• 42:24
  That I'm still trying to give away people.
• 42:26
  Somebody, please contact us through our channels to buy my
• 42:32
  100 deposit on a cyber truck.
• 42:35
  I will give it away for 5.
• 42:38
  Oh, I thought it was a bag of tacos from Taco Bell.
• 42:41
  That's about 5.
• 42:44
  Switching to.
• 42:45
  Japanese and Asian imports.
• 42:48
  More news on the Hyundai N74 that we like so much.
• 42:52
  Did you guys see this latest, quote unquote, production version?
• 42:56
  No, but I'm following this page.
• 42:58
  Something about it that looks different than the other.
• 43:00
  It looks boring.
• 43:02
  Yes, it's the missing the wing.
• 43:03
  It's missing like the air ducts, I think, on the side that the other one had.
• 43:08
  Some of the ground effects are less aggressive on this.
• 43:11
  It reminds me of the Subaru SVX.
• 43:13
  Not quite that level of weird, but yes, to your point.
• 43:17
  You know what it looks like, Tanya?
• 43:18
  It looks like a Stereon.
• 43:20
  It looks like a Conquest TSI.
• 43:22
  Yeah, I can see that.
• 43:22
  I can see that.
• 43:23
  It still has the flares, but the rest of the car is just sort of like, meh.
• 43:27
  Which I can't hate that comment, but.
• 43:30
  They could be doing like Toyota did.
• 43:31
  Toyota, when they released the Supra, they had a bunch of what looked
• 43:35
  like fake vents and stuff like that.
• 43:37
  Right.
• 43:37
  And it was theorized.
• 43:38
  That they were put on there on purpose to sell performance
• 43:42
  parts and packages in the future.
• 43:44
  So maybe you can add the wing and some of the more radical pieces later on.
• 43:50
  Either that or some aftermarket's going to make them.
• 43:52
  Yeah, exactly.
• 43:53
  Maybe this is just the base model.
• 43:55
  And that's okay too.
• 43:55
  Like maybe if there's a base model and then there's like the GT model.
• 44:00
  When the 350z came out, there was the base 350z and it went all the
• 44:03
  way up to the performance or track version that had various different.
• 44:07
  Options and stuff.
• 44:08
  Well, it's almost like this is like the base coupe GT and but
• 44:12
  we need like the URQ next to it.
• 44:15
  Yeah, the sport quattro.
• 44:16
  Exactly.
• 44:17
  I will say I hate it in this silver color.
• 44:19
  It looks like it was born in the 80s.
• 44:21
  It would look really cool white.
• 44:23
  Or red.
• 44:23
  Yeah, it wouldn't look really that great in black because I think you
• 44:27
  lose all of its shape in black.
• 44:29
  Black cars are gorgeous.
• 44:30
  Yeah.
• 44:30
  The silver it's reminiscent of too many other cars that are
• 44:34
  coming out in silver right now.
• 44:35
  Even that three 57 we were just talking about as a silver and white combination.
• 44:39
  But if it was that Kuntosh white with the black accents, I can see that really
• 44:44
  playing it to the strength of this car.
• 44:46
  Yes.
• 44:46
  Yes.
• 44:46
  Yes.
• 44:47
  So we'll see, maybe it's just another rendering.
• 44:49
  We don't know what the real thing looks like, but I was a little
• 44:51
  disappointed when I saw that.
• 44:52
  I was like, it's very watered down in comparison to the track toy that
• 44:57
  has been teased multiple times over.
• 44:59
  Speaking of track toys, you guys remember the S2000?
• 45:02
  Yes, I do.
• 45:03
  I went for a ride in an autocross in one once.
• 45:06
  I recently instructed in one.
• 45:07
  What did you think of the S2000, Tanya?
• 45:09
  You know what?
• 45:10
  I had never been in one.
• 45:12
  I have only been around cheater ones.
• 45:15
  I was actually pleasantly surprised by its neutral handling.
• 45:20
  And it's motorcycle like engine.
• 45:21
  You know, it's not the fastest thing, but it's also not slow.
• 45:26
  I heard they suffer from snap oversteer.
• 45:28
  They do, that is true.
• 45:30
  I was instructing someone who wasn't pushing that aggressively, so we didn't
• 45:34
  ever encounter anything like that.
• 45:36
  Thankfully, that's good.
• 45:38
  And if you watch Initial D, the S2000 is God hand.
• 45:41
  So in the passenger seat, the way this gentleman was
• 45:44
  driving, it felt very neutral.
• 45:46
  It didn't do anything weird, which could also be that it doesn't have
• 45:49
  enough power to break it loose.
• 45:51
  But to Brad's point, when they do snap, they go around, they come.
• 45:55
  They're a great drift car.
• 45:56
  I mean, everybody that I've ever talked to says they're
• 45:59
  amazing when they're sideways.
• 46:00
  I've ridden in some S2000s.
• 46:01
  I've driven a couple of myself.
• 46:02
  They're always kind of a fun little roadster.
• 46:05
  For me, the Achilles heel was the engine VTEC kicks in at 7, 000 RPM.
• 46:09
  And you got to wring its neck to almost 10 to get it to do anything.
• 46:13
  Yeah.
• 46:14
  The noise is awesome, but excruciating at the same time.
• 46:16
  Cause you're like, I feel really bad for this engine that I have
• 46:19
  to rev it out like a motorcycle.
• 46:21
  But what have I told you?
• 46:22
  Honda was gonna come back with the S 2000 as an ev.
• 46:26
  I don't even care about any of that.
• 46:28
  I saw the picture of this thing and it's atrocious looking.
• 46:31
  I don't care what it runs on fairy dust or not, like this thing needs to go away.
• 46:36
  It looks like a cross between the new N S X and Adel soul.
• 46:40
  You read my mind, Brad.
• 46:41
  'cause I was thinking the same thing.
• 46:43
  I will say I did see a brand new N Ss X.
• 46:45
  On the highway the other day, and it was beautiful.
• 46:48
  I almost started drooling.
• 46:50
  It looks so good next to me.
• 46:51
  And there's really pretty bright blue color.
• 46:53
  This does not look like that though.
• 46:55
  This looks like the Honda Del Sol kind of took over the styling portion of it.
• 46:59
  Cause it has that Targa bar thing going on with the rear glass there for what
• 47:03
  you can see from these pictures, which there are not a ton, but yeah, the front
• 47:05
  end, it's got that beak, like the older Acura's had and the NSX that it shares
• 47:10
  with, I think the wheels are cool.
• 47:12
  I think the importance of the article, though, is to get interest or the thing we
• 47:16
  should touch on is how do we feel about an S2000 replacement or successor as an EV?
• 47:23
  I don't think it would look like this.
• 47:24
  I think this is just somebody's stupid rendering.
• 47:26
  And Tanya just made the point that she doesn't even care about all that.
• 47:28
  You know, Evie, not Evie, whatever.
• 47:30
  It doesn't matter.
• 47:31
  I think if it was like a mini version of the NSX and had to hybrid technology,
• 47:36
  like a smaller version of the NSX is power plant, I think it would be pretty cool.
• 47:40
  So then why not just build an NSX convertible at that point?
• 47:43
  Because the NSX is 200 plus.
• 47:45
  Something thousand dollars and the S 2000 should be around 50 something.
• 47:49
  And how much do you think this is going to be?
• 47:51
  It should be around 40 or 50.
• 47:53
  We'll ask Elon and see how much it should be.
• 47:55
  He's just going to shoot it into space.
• 47:58
  That's an episode for another day too.
• 48:00
  I actually met the guy that designed the roadster.
• 48:03
  So that was kind of fun.
• 48:04
  Oh, you mean, uh, Colin Chapman?
• 48:06
  Yeah.
• 48:06
  Well, you know, Tanya hit the nail on the head.
• 48:09
  It's all sort of meh at the end of the day with, is it gas?
• 48:11
  Is it diesel?
• 48:12
  Is it EV?
• 48:13
  Is it hybrid?
• 48:13
  Is it whatever Toyota is again, back in the news saying meh to EVs.
• 48:19
  They have not, and they are still not building full EVs.
• 48:23
  They're sticking to hybrid.
• 48:24
  They've invested a ton of money in hydrogen.
• 48:26
  And it was really funny.
• 48:27
  I had a conversation while I was out in California with some Tesla owners, and I
• 48:31
  brought up the fact that there's a lot of companies moving to combustible hydrogen.
• 48:36
  It's not just Toyota.
• 48:37
  We mentioned in the last episode, Bosch and Ligier and BMWs going
• 48:41
  down this route for a while.
• 48:42
  There's a bunch of others that are looking to combustible hydrogen.
• 48:45
  It was really funny because the pushback I got.
• 48:47
  Especially when I mentioned Bosch, which I recognize as a global partner
• 48:51
  in the automotive industry, gentlemen said, I don't know who Bosch is.
• 48:57
  And hydrogen is not sustainable long term.
• 48:59
  And I'm like, wait, excuse me.
• 49:02
  So strip mining, the earth and Mars.
• 49:05
  I'm super hopeful and backing Toyota's thought that EV is a stopgap right now to
• 49:11
  this idea of combustible hydrogen, if they can solve the containment and distribution
• 49:16
  puzzle, which is going to take decades.
• 49:19
  I mean, they also have to solve the acquiring piece as well, but the acquiring
• 49:24
  piece is also a problem with EVs.
• 49:25
  There's only so much lithium to go around.
• 49:27
  We don't have a great recycling program for it.
• 49:29
  And yes, We'll talk more about infrastructure changes in the
• 49:32
  future, but we're still not there.
• 49:34
  There was a report that came out even the other day where they're
• 49:37
  saying that EV sales have plateaued.
• 49:39
  All the early adopters have adopted and we're at 7%.
• 49:43
  And nobody else can afford these cars.
• 49:45
  Yep.
• 49:46
  Not at seven or 8 percent interest rates.
• 49:48
  Who can afford it?
• 49:49
  That and we're at market saturation at like seven or 8 percent of cars or EV.
• 49:54
  But the article I was reading was saying that to get from like 8 percent
• 49:58
  to 12 percent saturation, it's going to take another decade to do that.
• 50:02
  And in that decade, what other technology is going to come out?
• 50:05
  You have to have disposable income.
• 50:07
  You're in a certain bracket financially to just go out and be
• 50:12
  like, I'm going to dump my car.
• 50:13
  That's.
• 50:14
  Probably maybe paid for and has nothing wrong with it.
• 50:16
  And go spend 60 plus a charging system in your home, plus whatever
• 50:20
  else, I mean, you've got money to play with your average person.
• 50:24
  Who's trying to make ends meet.
• 50:25
  They're going to keep running their Toyota Corolla until it
• 50:28
  Chernobyl's in like 50 years.
• 50:30
  They're still driving their 1990 Camry.
• 50:32
  Yeah.
• 50:32
  EVs, EVs are still a niche affluent market.
• 50:35
  Well, you want to talk about niche affluent markets.
• 50:38
  How about.
• 50:38
  Luxury sedans that are turned into big SUVs with off road capability.
• 50:44
  How did you enjoy your Lexus?
• 50:46
  Our press car was a 2024 yet to be released to the general masses.
• 50:50
  LX 600 in a seaweed green.
• 50:54
  There's a full article that Don from Garage Style Magazine wrote about it.
• 50:57
  And we took a.
• 50:59
  It was nice.
• 51:00
  There were some things that were different about it, things that I
• 51:03
  didn't expect, like four independent captain's chairs in the vehicle, right?
• 51:07
  No third row seating in that thing.
• 51:08
  It had a parcel shelf behind the back row.
• 51:10
  It did cut into the trunk space a bit.
• 51:12
  I could control the front seats.
• 51:15
  from a Captain Kirk like console in the back, which was pretty cool.
• 51:19
  I could change the air con, the radio, like I had this whole thing.
• 51:22
  Like I felt like I was on the Enterprise.
• 51:25
  So was Don Ubering you around?
• 51:27
  There was a bunch of us.
• 51:28
  So yes, but Don was our Uber.
• 51:30
  He got to drive most of the time.
• 51:32
  It has.
• 51:32
  Really fast adapting air ride suspension.
• 51:36
  Like my Jeep has air ride, but it's the Mercedes system.
• 51:38
  So it's a little slow and it's comfy and generations old too.
• 51:43
  True.
• 51:43
  It's 10 years old.
• 51:44
  The Toyota reacts almost too fast in some instances.
• 51:48
  And we found that the ride initially was really, really
• 51:51
  harsh and we had to soften it up.
• 51:53
  If you went over a speed bump slowly.
• 51:55
  Like one with collector cars tends to do, or even with sports cars,
• 51:59
  you know, you want to roll up to the speed bump and cross over it.
• 52:01
  You would have thought a landmine was going off underneath the Lexus, but if
• 52:05
  you hit that sucker at 30 miles an hour, smooth as glass, it was really bizarre.
• 52:10
  We had to readjust the suspension, which we could do, but you can
• 52:13
  only do it when it was parked.
• 52:14
  And then it's buried in the menu system.
• 52:16
  And so that was a little kludgy, but it also had things like the climate.
• 52:21
  Concierge, which I'm still not 100 percent sure what that button does.
• 52:25
  I mean, it had heated and cooled everything from the back of your neck to
• 52:30
  the ball chiller to the massaging seat.
• 52:33
  I mean, it had everything you could possibly think of
• 52:35
  because it was fully loaded.
• 52:36
  Sticker price before taxes, tags, delivery, and anything else that
• 52:40
  could maybe get loaded on like optional paint colors or paint to
• 52:44
  sample or whatever you want to do.
• 52:45
  We were looking at above 130, 000.
• 52:48
  On the website it shows 92, 000.
• 52:49
  This one optioned out was above 130.
• 52:51
  Well, yeah, optioned out.
• 52:52
  Yeah.
• 52:53
  But base is 92.
• 52:54
  Would I buy one?
• 52:56
  No, it's a Sequoia underneath.
• 52:58
  So I don't know.
• 52:59
  The thing is I thought it was a V8, but it wasn't, it was a twin turbo six.
• 53:03
  It was a definite get up and go engine.
• 53:04
  It would make like 500 foot pounds of torque or something like that.
• 53:07
  And it was quick for as stout as that vehicle is.
• 53:10
  But the bigger problem was for all that luxury and all the gizmos and.
• 53:14
  The electronic rearview mirror, like it doesn't actually have a rearview
• 53:17
  mirror and all these sensors and all this stuff that it has, you kind
• 53:21
  of go, well, that's going to break.
• 53:22
  How long is that going to last?
• 53:23
  I mean, Toyota quality, right?
• 53:25
  Sure.
• 53:25
  But eventually with use things wear out.
• 53:28
  The biggest issue was we're doing a lot of highway miles.
• 53:31
  We were filling it every other day.
• 53:33
  And with California gas prices of near.
• 53:36
  6 a gallon for super because it's twin turbo.
• 53:39
  You have to run super in it.
• 53:41
  That's costly.
• 53:42
  Big time money to keep that thing on the road and keep it running.
• 53:46
  If you have a hundred thousand dollars to spend on that, you have
• 53:49
  the money to spend on the fuel.
• 53:51
  Maybe I don't disagree.
• 53:53
  I will say it turned a lot of heads.
• 53:54
  A lot of people were like, we've never seen this.
• 53:56
  What is this?
• 53:57
  And we're like.
• 53:57
  It's the new Lexus LX 600.
• 53:59
  They wanted to see inside it.
• 54:01
  That color was really unique, especially with the baseball knit interior.
• 54:04
  It looked really good together.
• 54:06
  It was a head turner.
• 54:07
  The grill is probably its major drawback.
• 54:10
  It looks better from the back than the front.
• 54:12
  It looks like a Range Rover from the back, the way they
• 54:15
  cut the bumpers and everything.
• 54:16
  But they went from that honeycombed Black Widow grill
• 54:20
  to this just full on face mask.
• 54:23
  Like, it's got braces and then some.
• 54:25
  Luckily, Toyota didn't chrome it.
• 54:27
  It's like a satin finish, but like brushed aluminum.
• 54:30
  So it doesn't reflect everything and anything it can.
• 54:33
  So.
• 54:34
  It's still a little ostentatious, but you can live with it.
• 54:38
  And again, for the full review on the Lexus, you can jump back to our
• 54:41
  website, or you can go over to Garage Style and read more about the Lexus
• 54:44
  and see more pictures and stuff.
• 54:46
  But now I'm going to pass the baton to Tanya to talk about other
• 54:49
  random new EVs and concept cars.
• 54:51
  There's less car or concept, but a infrastructure update.
• 54:55
  Apparently the EU is passing a law to blanket their highways.
• 54:59
  By 2025 with fast EV chargers that must be placed every 37 miles.
• 55:07
  That's for like all the Fiat 500Es and stuff.
• 55:10
  It's a lot of chargers, but focusing on the Trans European Transport Network,
• 55:16
  the TEN T as they call it, which is like the Designated major arteries through
• 55:21
  all the different European countries.
• 55:22
  That's where their main focus is of putting all of these chargers.
• 55:25
  So think just, you know, major highways.
• 55:27
  It's a step.
• 55:29
  So you're saying every Alto grill on the Alto strata, the solar is going
• 55:33
  to have an EV charger, basically.
• 55:34
  And then some, I would imagine, cause the Alto grills are not every 37 miles.
• 55:40
  This is going to be costly because it's not just, Oh, we're
• 55:42
  just going to put in a charger.
• 55:44
  You've got to put in pavement.
• 55:46
  And you got to.
• 55:47
  Builds the mini gas station.
• 55:49
  You're probably going to have a restroom.
• 55:51
  Someone's got to maintain it.
• 55:52
  I don't know.
• 55:53
  Cause it almost seems like they're just going to literally be like
• 55:55
  little outposts because everything has to be self service, self pay.
• 55:59
  There can't be any need for a person there.
• 56:02
  No cash.
• 56:03
  You got to be able to do contactless payment, blah, blah, blah.
• 56:06
  So if that's the case and they're every 37 miles and there's an auto
• 56:09
  grill in between, you're going to go make a stop at the auto grill and
• 56:12
  get a sandwich and then go charge.
• 56:15
  I don't know that you need to have all those amenities if
• 56:18
  you're just needing to top off.
• 56:20
  Yeah.
• 56:20
  And if you're in France, you don't need a bathroom.
• 56:22
  From my understanding.
• 56:23
  So.
• 56:24
  True.
• 56:24
  True.
• 56:24
  Back to a previous episode where the men in France just let her rip anywhere.
• 56:29
  I got memories to prove that.
• 56:30
  In other EV news, the Consumer Reports has issued the 10 EVs that
• 56:36
  should last more than 300, 000 miles.
• 56:39
  How much should all the other ones last?
• 56:40
  All the other ones are Teslas.
• 56:42
  So all the other cars are junk?
• 56:44
  Build quality of cars is supposed to be getting better.
• 56:46
  So you're telling me there's only 10 cars on this planet
• 56:48
  that'll get to 300, 000 miles?
• 56:50
  No, no, no.
• 56:50
  Of the EVs out there, only EVs should last more than 300, 000 miles.
• 56:56
  I don't know what that means.
• 56:58
  Most of the car is no different.
• 57:00
  Then another car, right?
• 57:01
  Like the body, if you're saying the body can last here in a thousand
• 57:04
  miles, well, we know that that's true of cars that are decades old, right?
• 57:09
  They're still out there.
• 57:10
  Maybe they're rusted, but they're still out there.
• 57:11
  You know, and to Tanya's point about cars going the distance,
• 57:14
  I met a gentleman while I was in Monterey who has a three 56.
• 57:19
  That's about to go into the history books with almost 1 million.
• 57:23
  Original miles.
• 57:24
  And so once it crosses a million, it'll go into the Porsche museum.
• 57:28
  And what he's doing, he's only got about 20, 000 miles left.
• 57:30
  You could actually sign up to take a drive for whatever time or length.
• 57:35
  And then your name would go in the log book at Porsche that you
• 57:38
  added miles to this three 56.
• 57:41
  Think about that, right?
• 57:42
  There are cars out there that will do that.
• 57:44
  There's been Volvos.
• 57:45
  There's been other cars that have reached a million miles.
• 57:47
  So 300, 000.
• 57:49
  Yeah, okay.
• 57:51
  Let's prove it.
• 57:51
  Let's see it.
• 57:52
  Are you telling me the battery pack is gonna last 300, 000 miles?
• 57:56
  I don't think there's enough data, cyclic testing data,
• 57:59
  out there to support that yet.
• 58:01
  That was the other thing that bugged me about this, based on what information.
• 58:04
  Haven't you tested the car for 300, 000 miles?
• 58:06
  Put them on a treadmill like it's Ferris Bueller and just,
• 58:09
  like, let them go or something?
• 58:10
  Like, what is this?
• 58:11
  I don't think they really explained.
• 58:13
  Other than, like, it should and warranties cover.
• 58:16
  This entire article is BS.
• 58:18
  And then they just list out the Kona, and the Mini Cooper, and the Bolt, and
• 58:23
  the i3, and the Model S, and the ID.
• 58:25
  4, and the Mach E.
• 58:26
  Do you notice that all of these cars are in a similar price range too?
• 58:30
  Are they?
• 58:32
  I don't think so.
• 58:33
  I don't think a Leaf or a Bolt are on the same level as a Model S.
• 58:37
  No, the Model S is the exception here because they have to have one
• 58:39
  expensive car, but the rest of them are in that 30, 000 to 40, 000 range.
• 58:43
  The Mach E is not in the 30, 000 to 40, 000 range.
• 58:45
  Yeah, it is.
• 58:46
  The Mach E is only like 42, 000.
• 58:50
  30 to 40, 000.
• 58:51
  It's 42, so it's not in a 30 to 40, 000 range.
• 58:55
  I think you'd be hard pressed to get out of a dealership with
• 58:57
  a Ford Mach E for less than 45.
• 58:59
  For all those people interested in a Ford Mustang Mach E, they start at 42, 995.
• 59:05
  Start.
• 59:05
  In the Select trim, the Premium trim 46, 995, the California Route 1 56,
• 59:10
  995, and if you're gonna go all out.
• 59:13
  And why wouldn't you, the GT trim 59, nine, nine, five, Eric was taking into
• 59:20
  account the government kickback credit minus 7, 500 baby, the tax credit.
• 59:26
  That's what he was doing.
• 59:27
  Yeah.
• 59:27
  But who's buying the base model.
• 59:29
  And the only reason the Tesla model S is on here is because there's
• 59:31
  one person in 2017 who showed that they had one over 300, 000 miles.
• 59:37
  I don't even know why this is a thing.
• 59:39
  Nobody, who, like, the majority of people aren't keeping their car that long.
• 59:43
  A car gets 100, 000 miles, and they're like, Oh, this thing's gonna die, this
• 59:46
  thing's trash, I gotta get rid of it.
• 59:47
  100, 000?
• 59:48
  It's like, Oh my god, I turned 70, 000, my car needs to go.
• 59:52
  Yeah, that's sort of an old way of thinking, because if you think about
• 59:55
  the Malays era, those cars, if they made it to 100, 000, that was a lot.
• 59:59
  That was incredible, it was a feat.
• 1:00:01
  So I think we're sort of stuck in the idea that 100, 000 is time to go.
• 1:00:05
  In my opinion, I'm saying, Cars got to make it to a quarter
• 1:00:08
  million or it's junk at least 250.
• 1:00:10
  It could be the hour.
• 1:00:12
  It's been a long day.
• 1:00:14
  I had to go to the NBA.
• 1:00:17
  I have to go back to the NBA.
• 1:00:19
  That should say it all.
• 1:00:20
  You know, it's all fuzzy math, just like this next article.
• 1:00:24
  I don't understand what it's saying.
• 1:00:28
  I don't think they understand what they wrote.
• 1:00:30
  I don't understand what I read.
• 1:00:32
  Most cars still cost more to charge than to fill up with gas when
• 1:00:35
  you take other expenses like home charging and fees into account.
• 1:00:38
  Okay.
• 1:00:39
  I'm like, okay, sure.
• 1:00:40
  Maybe.
• 1:00:40
  I don't know.
• 1:00:41
  I haven't done the math.
• 1:00:43
  But then it goes on to say things like EV electric truck costs you the same as
• 1:00:47
  a gas truck, but that costs you less.
• 1:00:50
  Than an EV car.
• 1:00:52
  Wait, what?
• 1:00:53
  It's cheaper to fill your electric truck than to fill like a mid-size EV car.
• 1:00:59
  And I'm like, how is that possible?
• 1:01:00
  Well, electricity's on a flat rate depending on your state,
• 1:01:03
  so that doesn't make any sense.
• 1:01:04
  The calculation is miles per range, so miles per kilowatt, hour
• 1:01:10
  times your dollars per kilowatt hour, it gives you your dollars.
• 1:01:14
  How much it costs, right?
• 1:01:15
  They keep using 100 miles as their benchmark.
• 1:01:18
  That's a fixed number.
• 1:01:20
  The charge rate's fixed, from what I understand, because if you got a truck
• 1:01:23
  and a car at your home, I don't think it automatically changes the price.
• 1:01:28
  So you got two variables fixed.
• 1:01:30
  The only other variable is that number on the bottom of the
• 1:01:34
  fraction, which is the range.
• 1:01:36
  And the pickup truck is less efficient, which means it's going to cost you more.
• 1:01:41
  How is it cheaper?
• 1:01:42
  Could be the hour of the day.
• 1:01:43
  I don't know.
• 1:01:44
  I don't see where they're saying the pickup truck is cheaper than the cars.
• 1:01:49
  Because they said a Rivian or GMC is going to cost you about 1, 770 per 100 miles.
• 1:01:55
  And then they said...
• 1:01:56
  A Nissan Versa, Hyundai Elantra, or Kia Forte will cost you 978 in gas.
• 1:02:01
  12.
• 1:02:01
  55 in home charging for a Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt.
• 1:02:05
  So that's 5 cheaper.
• 1:02:07
  Maybe I have misread the article then.
• 1:02:09
  So to where the prices do increase is if they're doing public charging.
• 1:02:13
  So public charging skyrockets to 16 for the cars.
• 1:02:18
  But it still goes up, which then makes me feel slightly better.
• 1:02:21
  Cause I'm like, that makes no sense.
• 1:02:23
  It's 26 for the trucks.
• 1:02:25
  Not, but wait guys, none of that.
• 1:02:27
  You're right.
• 1:02:27
  It, it, yeah, I think I know what Eric's going to say.
• 1:02:29
  None of it makes any sense and none of it matters.
• 1:02:31
  It doesn't matter.
• 1:02:32
  The points don't matter.
• 1:02:33
  Exactly.
• 1:02:34
  But.
• 1:02:34
  The thing is a hundred kilowatt battery is a hundred kilowatt battery.
• 1:02:38
  It doesn't matter if it's in a truck, a boat, or a car, you're
• 1:02:41
  still charging a hundred kilowatts.
• 1:02:43
  So the thing about this article to Tanya's point, Well, they're
• 1:02:46
  not framing it that way that you're filling to the same amount.
• 1:02:49
  No, they're including registration fees, the cost of the vehicle,
• 1:02:52
  which I'm like, do you not register?
• 1:02:54
  You registered either way.
• 1:02:55
  I'm confused.
• 1:02:56
  No, but registration fees for trucks are higher.
• 1:03:00
  The way they break it down, the overall costs are going to be higher.
• 1:03:02
  That shouldn't play into the economy of driving.
• 1:03:06
  Is the registration fee of an EV truck higher than or lower than the registration
• 1:03:10
  of a, is like the F 150 Lightning registration different than an F 150?
• 1:03:15
  It's about to be in Texas.
• 1:03:18
  We'll talk about that in a minute.
• 1:03:20
  I understand what they're trying to do.
• 1:03:22
  They're trying to say it's okay to keep your gas car.
• 1:03:24
  You know, you don't need to jump on the EV train, but the way they went
• 1:03:27
  about trying to do that is just stupid.
• 1:03:30
  Well, the real piece that they're missing here is what we've said before is if you
• 1:03:34
  already own a car and you've paid for it.
• 1:03:36
  To turn around and sell it and buy something more expensive, that delta,
• 1:03:40
  that break even, that's a lot of gallons of fuel that you need to
• 1:03:45
  consume cost wise, whatever wise, before you've, quote, broken back
• 1:03:49
  even for having paid an extra 30, 000 for a vehicle that you're charging.
• 1:03:54
  That's the piece that's missing here that's more important.
• 1:03:56
  And what's funny is it's not missing because in our community of
• 1:03:59
  petrolheads, it's the same discussion we always have, gas versus diesel.
• 1:04:03
  And the guys, like, let's say, landscapers.
• 1:04:06
  Why did I buy the V10 gasser versus the diesel?
• 1:04:09
  There's the diesel tax.
• 1:04:10
  I'm not going to recoup it.
• 1:04:11
  I already own the gasser.
• 1:04:13
  What you just explained is true in that use case as well.
• 1:04:17
  So the story hasn't changed.
• 1:04:19
  We've just shifted it now to gas versus EV.
• 1:04:22
  Something here in the numbers doesn't add up.
• 1:04:24
  And I don't wanna waste too many more brain cycles on
• 1:04:26
  this trying to figure it out.
• 1:04:28
  No, I'm not gonna, the reality of the situation is nobody's gonna
• 1:04:32
  partially charge, just like nobody puts in three gallons of gas.
• 1:04:35
  Or maybe they do.
• 1:04:37
  Depends on where you live.
• 1:04:38
  I've seen, I've ridden with people that, yeah, give gimme five 50, gimme five 50
• 1:04:44
  on pump number one, but you get my point.
• 1:04:46
  100 kilowatt batteries, 100 kilowatt batteries, 100 kilowatt battery.
• 1:04:50
  It doesn't matter what it's in.
• 1:04:51
  Right.
• 1:04:51
  And that's really the moral of the story.
• 1:04:53
  And that's why this is some fuzzy math.
• 1:04:55
  And maybe we'll revisit it in the future.
• 1:04:57
  After we've done some advanced calculus, they need to give us more information.
• 1:05:02
  If they're going to make these claims a hundred percent, I need to see the math.
• 1:05:05
  I need to see this Excel spreadsheets that they've done all this shit on.
• 1:05:09
  Back during what we do, I think it was 2009, 2010, somewhere around
• 1:05:14
  there, after the mortgage collapse, the government had that cash for
• 1:05:17
  clunkers deal where everybody had to trade in their old cookies.
• 1:05:21
  They'd get a couple thousand dollars per car or whatever to
• 1:05:23
  put down towards a brand new car.
• 1:05:25
  When do you think it's going to get to the point where the government does that?
• 1:05:28
  Again, you trade in your ice car for it's not going to happen because as
• 1:05:33
  you know, and you report every month, we're going to do this here in a minute.
• 1:05:36
  The used car market is through the roof.
• 1:05:39
  Why would you trade a car in as a clunker to end up at concourse the lemons when
• 1:05:44
  you can sell that car on the used market?
• 1:05:46
  Maybe as a result, it's a butterfly effect of the cash for clunkers because
• 1:05:50
  a lot of cars did get destroyed, but the value of used cars is through the roof.
• 1:05:54
  That would be a bad financial move.
• 1:05:56
  We know the government doesn't make bad financial moves.
• 1:05:58
  No, never, ever.
• 1:05:59
  The wheels on the EV go round and round, round.
• 1:06:03
  Do they?
• 1:06:03
  Or do they go differently than a gas one?
• 1:06:05
  When we compare them now, they spin differently.
• 1:06:08
  Well, it depends on how much you paid for the wheels and the registration fees
• 1:06:11
  and what kind of tires you're using.
• 1:06:12
  And are you using these on a private road or a public road?
• 1:06:16
  Was it concrete or asphalt?
• 1:06:17
  Depending on what county you're driving in.
• 1:06:19
  Not all wheels are created equal.
• 1:06:22
  And we're going to try to highlight wheels.
• 1:06:24
  I think we're going to start maybe doing a wheels Wednesday.
• 1:06:26
  I took so many pictures of.
• 1:06:27
  Wheels that were unique and Monterey we've partnered with a new sponsor,
• 1:06:32
  ESE carbon wheels out of Georgia, the only manufacturer of one piece carbon
• 1:06:39
  wheels, especially in the United States.
• 1:06:41
  And they've got a couple of models.
• 1:06:42
  They've got a new one coming out for 2024.
• 1:06:44
  We've been working with them, you know, trying to help them out
• 1:06:47
  and get these wheels out there.
• 1:06:48
  They actually started with the idea of putting them on Tesla's
• 1:06:53
  to decrease the rotating mass.
• 1:06:55
  To increase the braking efficiency, the wheels clock in even at 20 inches.
• 1:07:00
  And they're like 20 by nine, 20 by 10, 20 by 11, and those
• 1:07:03
  sizes at less than 17 pounds.
• 1:07:06
  There's a race wheels that are heavier than that.
• 1:07:08
  Carbon is all the rage.
• 1:07:10
  If you want to learn more about the one piece made the USA wheels
• 1:07:13
  at ESC carbon, check out www.
• 1:07:15
  esccarbon.
• 1:07:17
  com.
• 1:07:17
  And since we're talking about wheels, I saw a lot of carbon wheels.
• 1:07:20
  There's a manufacturer that has been around for quite a while called Dynamag.
• 1:07:23
  And they've partnered with Hyundai to start making two piece carbon wheels
• 1:07:28
  for the new N line cars that are coming out in the later part of 23 and 24.
• 1:07:34
  They look cool.
• 1:07:34
  They're interesting to see Hyundai going down that route.
• 1:07:37
  You've seen carbon wheels on Porsches and stuff like that in the past.
• 1:07:40
  And then if that wasn't enough.
• 1:07:42
  Koenigsegg came out with a carbon wheel, which is a single lug center lock that's
• 1:07:47
  capable of doing 280 miles an hour.
• 1:07:50
  So lots of things changing in the wheel world.
• 1:07:54
  If you think about carbon fiber, technically more environmentally
• 1:07:57
  friendly than forging wheels, mining for metal, everything that goes into
• 1:08:01
  creating a steel wheel, aluminum wheel, forged wheel, et cetera.
• 1:08:05
  How do they ride?
• 1:08:06
  According to the impact tests and everything else I've read and what
• 1:08:09
  I've been talking to the guys at ESC carbon, they ride like any other wheel.
• 1:08:14
  Supposedly the steering feels a little bit lighter.
• 1:08:16
  The car kind of feels more agile because again, there's less rotating mass.
• 1:08:19
  If you've ever driven on like an N key or a Volk or any of the Japanese wheels
• 1:08:23
  that are super light aluminum, you kind of the same sensation, but overall
• 1:08:28
  it's supposed to solicit better braking numbers, better MPG, stuff like that.
• 1:08:32
  They are not cheap, that's for sure, but they are quite
• 1:08:35
  stylish and no, it's not a wrap.
• 1:08:37
  Well, Brad, it's time for your favorite section, Lost and Found.
• 1:08:41
  What you got for us?
• 1:08:42
  I have news.
• 1:08:44
  What kind of news?
• 1:08:45
  What's his name?
• 1:08:45
  Sell his car?
• 1:08:46
  You find a Dodge Dart?
• 1:08:47
  That's 1988.
• 1:08:50
  Cadillac DeVille is gone.
• 1:08:52
  No, can we take credit for that?
• 1:08:54
  We helped them sell that.
• 1:08:56
  Maybe they turned it into cash for clunkers.
• 1:08:58
  I don't know.
• 1:08:59
  Maybe there's an expiration date on how long you can leave
• 1:09:02
  something listed on cars.
• 1:09:03
  com.
• 1:09:04
  It's gone.
• 1:09:04
  It's gone.
• 1:09:05
  It's gone.
• 1:09:06
  However, to replace it, a 2003 Toyota Tundra SR5, it is being sold
• 1:09:12
  for the low, low price of 42, 000.
• 1:09:17
  What?
• 1:09:18
  That's insane.
• 1:09:19
  Eric, the guy I bought the R32 from, he's got a 1982 Vanagon for sale.
• 1:09:25
  1, 800.
• 1:09:27
  That's a good deal.
• 1:09:28
  If it runs.
• 1:09:28
  If it runs.
• 1:09:29
  Uh, ran one part.
• 1:09:32
  Oh, okay.
• 1:09:32
  All right.
• 1:09:33
  Well, there's some other things we need to talk about cars that
• 1:09:37
  are on their way out, right?
• 1:09:38
  Yes have been discontinued at this point.
• 1:09:41
  Let's talk about that motor trend put out a list of 30 cool cars that
• 1:09:45
  are Discontinued in the past decade because when they do this every
• 1:09:49
  single year, nobody reads it slow news day So they have to put together
• 1:09:53
  a decades long list Of cars that we already know don't exist anymore.
• 1:09:58
  I feel like we already talked about this.
• 1:09:59
  We talk about it every year.
• 1:10:00
  And they're not that great.
• 1:10:02
  They say cool cars.
• 1:10:03
  I'm like Acura ZDX?
• 1:10:05
  Really?
• 1:10:05
  I would have bought an Acura ZDX over a BMW X6.
• 1:10:09
  I hate to say the ZDX out of all these is not discontinued because...
• 1:10:13
  They just revealed it at Pebble.
• 1:10:14
  They're bringing it back.
• 1:10:16
  Just like the Camaro was discontinued in 2002 and then brought back in 2005.
• 1:10:19
  They have the Cadillac CTS V on this list.
• 1:10:22
  The Cadillac CTS V still exists.
• 1:10:23
  It's the CT5 V.
• 1:10:25
  It's the same car, different badge.
• 1:10:27
  And then the Aston Martin V12 Vantage.
• 1:10:29
  Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Some of these, I'm not sad about like the Avalanche, uh, the Viper
• 1:10:34
  does hit a soft spot though.
• 1:10:35
  You know, the Ferrari that's on here.
• 1:10:37
  You knew they were going to build three of those.
• 1:10:39
  The Ford flex.
• 1:10:40
  Yes.
• 1:10:41
  I think that disappoints a lot of people to include Don from garage style.
• 1:10:44
  He's owned several over the years.
• 1:10:45
  He has one now.
• 1:10:46
  Why is he needed to own so many of executive a vehicle trading up because
• 1:10:50
  there's new models of the flex came out.
• 1:10:53
  You got better options.
• 1:10:54
  Who cares?
• 1:10:54
  People care about that stuff.
• 1:10:56
  To Tanya's point, people are just going to trade in their vehicles, you
• 1:10:59
  know, for something else, they're going to spend thousands of dollars, lose
• 1:11:02
  thousands of dollars in depreciation or for a upgraded stereo system.
• 1:11:07
  That they could put in themselves for a couple hundred bucks.
• 1:11:09
  This list is interesting.
• 1:11:10
  RX 8s, Mazdaspeed 3, I'm not going to miss the Benz R Class, but even the SLS AMG
• 1:11:17
  that was replaced by the new GT3 and GTR.
• 1:11:20
  Yeah.
• 1:11:21
  I mean, the, the list is from 2011 to 2020, so we've already missed these cars.
• 1:11:27
  I mean, come on.
• 1:11:28
  This is breaking news, Brad.
• 1:11:30
  Breaking news.
• 1:11:31
  Breaking news.
• 1:11:31
  When was this article written?
• 1:11:32
  Was this, this article was written years ago.
• 1:11:35
  I don't know why it's in here.
• 1:11:37
  Hey, what the hell kind of bullshit is this?
• 1:11:39
  Eric, what are you doing?
• 1:11:40
  That's why it's lost and found.
• 1:11:41
  You're fired.
• 1:11:42
  We didn't know this existed.
• 1:11:44
  This article was lost and Eric found it one day.
• 1:11:48
  Well, it's that time again.
• 1:11:50
  Lowered expectations.
• 1:11:51
  No, no, no.
• 1:11:54
  One in the same sometimes.
• 1:11:55
  Yeah, that's very true.
• 1:11:57
  Folks, it's Tez Lucky time.
• 1:12:00
  Dun, dun, dun.
• 1:12:01
  Dun, dun.
• 1:12:04
  Well, we would be remiss.
• 1:12:05
  We hinted earlier about the cost of your EV being higher in Texas.
• 1:12:10
  Apparently under a new state law, Texas will bill electric vehicle
• 1:12:15
  drivers an extra 200 a year.
• 1:12:17
  They're saying they're doing this because that is the estimated
• 1:12:21
  lost revenue due to fewer gasoline vehicles on the road paying the taxes.
• 1:12:28
  Even though I think it's like less than half a percent of EVs in all of Texas,
• 1:12:34
  total car market, but nonetheless, you now have these extra registration fees.
• 1:12:38
  See, see, these registration fees, they're adding up extra 200 a year because they
• 1:12:43
  do registration yearly in that state.
• 1:12:46
  And as gasoline taxes are supposed to go to maintenance of the roads
• 1:12:50
  and construction, I guess on the one hand I can see the argument.
• 1:12:54
  You suddenly have a car that's not paying towards that?
• 1:12:58
  What if we were in a world where everybody was an EV?
• 1:13:00
  Now what?
• 1:13:01
  Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that.
• 1:13:02
  And since you're returning to the DMV, you can verify this for us.
• 1:13:06
  I had heard, and Brad had mentioned it earlier about SUVs and trucks costing more
• 1:13:11
  registration wise than passenger vehicles.
• 1:13:13
  And that had to do with the gross weight of the vehicle and the amount
• 1:13:16
  of pressure it puts on the roads.
• 1:13:18
  So it's technically doing more damage to the asphalt.
• 1:13:21
  And what do EVs do?
• 1:13:22
  They weigh even more, significantly more.
• 1:13:26
  But you know what?
• 1:13:26
  I can't hear all the Texans now, you know, with this law cheering it on, go on.
• 1:13:30
  This is why we said Californians would be the ruination of our great republic.
• 1:13:35
  And now we're going to stick it to them.
• 1:13:37
  So you do have an influx of a lot of people coming from California into Texas,
• 1:13:41
  kind of changing the latitude there.
• 1:13:43
  You're seeing the adoption of more EVs and you know, maybe secretly
• 1:13:46
  they're sticking it to them.
• 1:13:47
  So fun fact, because I don't need to inquire at the, the lovely motor vehicle
• 1:13:52
  association for this answer to your point.
• 1:13:54
  Yes, the registration fees are based on weight.
• 1:13:57
  So even passenger cars.
• 1:13:59
  Vehicle registrations are not consistent.
• 1:14:01
  They have up to weights and above weights and the registration fee changes.
• 1:14:06
  So yes, three quarter ton, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:14:09
  Trucks all have different registration fees, which are
• 1:14:11
  higher than regular passenger cars.
• 1:14:13
  Well, Brad, you keep trying to give away that Cybertruck allotment for a box of
• 1:14:17
  tacos, dude, you should just buy an F 150.
• 1:14:20
  I'm not buying anything.
• 1:14:21
  I've got a Toyota Tundra that is going to run for 1 million billion miles.
• 1:14:25
  Will it run for 300, 000?
• 1:14:27
  It will run for 301.
• 1:14:29
  1000.
• 1:14:30
  Nice.
• 1:14:30
  Did you see the side by side comparison of the Ford pickup and the cyber truck?
• 1:14:34
  What is the significance of this?
• 1:14:36
  Sorry, I keep looking at the photo.
• 1:14:37
  I'm like the two 50 is a big one.
• 1:14:39
  It's not the biggest one, right?
• 1:14:40
  'cause like the three 50, or is there one above three 50?
• 1:14:42
  There's a four 50, there's like a 6 50, 5 50.
• 1:14:45
  There's a, so the two 50 is not the smallest one, but
• 1:14:49
  it's also not the biggest one.
• 1:14:50
  So this.
• 1:14:51
  Cybertruck is pretty much the equivalent size of an F 250.
• 1:14:55
  That's huge.
• 1:14:56
  Which is a Super Duty.
• 1:14:57
  But we knew the Cybertruck was huge, so I guess I'm confused why this is like...
• 1:15:01
  I think the Cybertruck is supposed to be competing with the half ton pickup trucks,
• 1:15:06
  and the F 250 is a three quarter ton.
• 1:15:08
  So it's the size of a three quarter ton truck.
• 1:15:11
  But it's competition is the smaller, right?
• 1:15:13
  I see like a ribbing dimensionally.
• 1:15:16
  They're all, it did the tug of war thing with an F one
• 1:15:18
  50 back in the bullshit days.
• 1:15:21
  Right?
• 1:15:21
  Yes.
• 1:15:22
  Have we exited the bullshit days?
• 1:15:25
  No, we're in the middle of those days.
• 1:15:27
  We're still deep, deep in the trenches.
• 1:15:29
  So technically that wasn't very fair if it was a three quarter ton truck
• 1:15:33
  up against, I'm assuming the 150 is not a three quarter ton, right?
• 1:15:37
  The 150 is a half ton.
• 1:15:38
  Okay.
• 1:15:39
  That wasn't very fair.
• 1:15:40
  Nope.
• 1:15:40
  Shame on you, Elon Musk.
• 1:15:43
  It's just like that kickboxing match between him and Zuck.
• 1:15:46
  Did anyone see the photo that somebody did where they like, I don't know
• 1:15:50
  if they wrapped their F something.
• 1:15:52
  They put like a Cybertruck wrap on it.
• 1:15:56
  And so if you don't pay attention at first you're like, oh look,
• 1:15:59
  it's a black cyber truck.
• 1:16:00
  And you're like, wait a second.
• 1:16:02
  It's, it's, it's a Ford pick.
• 1:16:03
  It's really funny actually.
• 1:16:05
  Is it as good as the PLI truck?
• 1:16:07
  It's professionally done compared to the house.
• 1:16:10
  . . They probably cost the scene too.
• 1:16:12
  The wrap in the PLI truck.
• 1:16:13
  Not the TR wrapped truck.
• 1:16:14
  In the truck.
• 1:16:15
  Well, yeah, because the Acura that was under the PLA truck was
• 1:16:17
  like 50 bucks at a yard sale.
• 1:16:19
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:20
  . So Tanya, this next one had me go, so they do exist.
• 1:16:23
  It existed for a while.
• 1:16:25
  I've never seen one.
• 1:16:26
  I've never seen one, but I heard the orders went through and
• 1:16:29
  that they were quote on the road and that they quote broke down.
• 1:16:33
  And what are we talking about?
• 1:16:34
  The semi Tesla, somebody else too.
• 1:16:38
  It wasn't just Pepsi took an order of them, but yeah, they are
• 1:16:42
  allegedly out and about and we haven't heard much about them.
• 1:16:45
  I know recently there was an article about one had broken down and was getting towed.
• 1:16:49
  I don't remember what the issue with it was.
• 1:16:52
  But I guess we'll start seeing more of them maybe?
• 1:16:55
  I don't know what I would do if I actually saw one.
• 1:16:57
  Is this like a Cybertruck F 150 scenario where like it's more
• 1:17:01
  massive than a regular Mac?
• 1:17:03
  They carry all the batteries, sure.
• 1:17:05
  But yes, keep your eyes peeled.
• 1:17:06
  Hopefully they don't have full self driving capabilities and they beeline
• 1:17:10
  at you and take you out on the highway.
• 1:17:11
  This next one had me a little confused.
• 1:17:14
  If it's good enough for Lego, it's good enough for Tesla?
• 1:17:17
  O M G.
• 1:17:19
  So, one of the first Cybertrucks has rolled off or whatever.
• 1:17:24
  The candidate Cybertruck, meaning like, this is the one we're going
• 1:17:27
  to like quality inspect or whatever.
• 1:17:29
  And then there's some sort of shared email that's been leaked from Elon.
• 1:17:34
  It says, due to the nature of Cybertruck, which is made of bright metal with
• 1:17:37
  mostly straight edges, Any dimensional variation shows up like a sore thumb.
• 1:17:42
  All parts for this vehicle, whether internal or from suppliers,
• 1:17:45
  need to be designed and built to sub 10 micron accuracy.
• 1:17:49
  That means all part dimensions need to be to the third decimal place in
• 1:17:53
  millimeters and tolerances need to be specified in single digit microns.
• 1:17:57
  If Lego and soda cans which are very low cost, can do this, so can we.
• 1:18:02
  Precision predicates perfectionism.
• 1:18:04
  Elon.
• 1:18:05
  That's a very well worded email.
• 1:18:07
  It's a very big worded email.
• 1:18:08
  I would like to drop some knowledge nuggets, okay?
• 1:18:11
  How thick do you think a sheet of paper is?
• 1:18:15
  I would say a sheet of paper is maybe an eighth of a mil.
• 1:18:17
  So a sheet of paper, according to the Googles, in microns.
• 1:18:21
  Let's recall what he just said, single digits.
• 1:18:24
  So less than 10 microns.
• 1:18:26
  accuracy and precision of all these metal panels.
• 1:18:30
  A sheet of paper is 102 microns thick.
• 1:18:34
  So he's going to have precision better than a sheet of paper on
• 1:18:39
  really long stretches of metal.
• 1:18:41
  It's one thing for Lego to do it on an inch brick.
• 1:18:46
  It's another thing to do it on a 10 foot long panel of stainless
• 1:18:49
  steel on the side of this thing.
• 1:18:50
  Lego's also been doing it for how long?
• 1:18:52
  Yeah, Brad, to your point, Lego's been doing it for like 80 years.
• 1:18:56
  Yeah, I guarantee you like the first 10 years of Legos were
• 1:18:59
  like a just a complete cluster.
• 1:19:00
  100 percent.
• 1:19:01
  How much money is it going to cost to have like The equipment to precisely
• 1:19:07
  have those tolerances with the tooling.
• 1:19:09
  I can tell you exactly how much it's going to cost.
• 1:19:11
  It's going to cost nothing because this truck is never going to be made.
• 1:19:14
  It's never coming out.
• 1:19:16
  It's not going to cost anybody anything.
• 1:19:18
  And to that point, they have not released specs or updated prices.
• 1:19:22
  So there's no information on anything.
• 1:19:24
  Not surprised.
• 1:19:25
  The candidate version, I still want to know if it has mirrors and
• 1:19:27
  windshield wipers and all those things.
• 1:19:29
  It does based on the photos they show.
• 1:19:31
  But the question becomes.
• 1:19:32
  What's the level of precision at SpaceX?
• 1:19:35
  If the Cybertruck is anything like that, it will burn up on re entry, right?
• 1:19:40
  On re entry, they often burn up just trying to exit.
• 1:19:43
  What about the panel gap?
• 1:19:45
  That's the panel gap.
• 1:19:46
  They need to be less than 10 microns.
• 1:19:48
  So that panel gap is dead accurate.
• 1:19:51
  And how much is that going to cost to repair when somebody
• 1:19:54
  inevitably gets an offender bender?
• 1:19:56
  I was thinking, so how much did that guy pay?
• 1:19:58
  To have his Rivian repaired after it was rear ended.
• 1:20:02
  A body shop doesn't have equipment that's gonna measure precision less
• 1:20:06
  than 10 microns of panel alignment.
• 1:20:08
  No, and Joe Bob down at the collision center, when he gets the Tesla parts come
• 1:20:12
  in, he's gonna hit them into place with a mallet to get them to fit together.
• 1:20:16
  To give him a little bit of credit, I understand what
• 1:20:18
  he's saying because it's true.
• 1:20:20
  The stainless.
• 1:20:21
  Yes.
• 1:20:22
  It shows everything.
• 1:20:23
  It's awful in that respect.
• 1:20:24
  Yes, I don't disagree.
• 1:20:25
  He's correct in seeing what all the rest of us realize.
• 1:20:28
  And have been seeing, yes.
• 1:20:29
  But he could do something a little bit more daring.
• 1:20:32
  He could paint it.
• 1:20:33
  Oh my god, paint?
• 1:20:36
  Never, never.
• 1:20:36
  My point is, he could borrow from the Italians and the British.
• 1:20:41
  And what I mean is, Lamborghini and Lotus.
• 1:20:43
  in the sense that he could make parts of the Cybertruck clamshells where they're
• 1:20:48
  all one contiguous piece and they open differently to gain access to those parts.
• 1:20:54
  On an EV, what are you gaining access to other than getting
• 1:20:57
  in and out of the thing?
• 1:20:58
  Not a whole heck of a lot.
• 1:20:59
  Didn't the man who's already done this before say that it's really difficult
• 1:21:03
  to get entire sheets of stainless?
• 1:21:06
  Yes.
• 1:21:07
  Form them.
• 1:21:07
  Mr.
• 1:21:07
  DeLorean.
• 1:21:08
  Correct.
• 1:21:09
  And we had Tony Vallelunga on the show who actually formed those stainless
• 1:21:13
  pieces and talked about the presses and the process of doing that.
• 1:21:17
  Just making those goldwing doors was extremely difficult.
• 1:21:20
  And so the Cybertruck stainless works for a sink.
• 1:21:24
  I've said that before because you can press it out and there it is.
• 1:21:27
  And all it needs to be is a sink that takes your dirty
• 1:21:30
  water out to the sewer system.
• 1:21:32
  I'm wondering how bad is the alignment?
• 1:21:35
  You got to be up close and personal with the DeLorean.
• 1:21:38
  Are there huge, noticeably offensive gaps and distortions of
• 1:21:44
  panels and lining up of things?
• 1:21:46
  I'll answer it this way.
• 1:21:47
  No, because it's built like a real car.
• 1:21:50
  Meaning it has a quarter inch between the door and let's say the fender or
• 1:21:56
  the rear quarter, you know, whatever it is, or there's that gap around the lift.
• 1:22:00
  back.
• 1:22:00
  There's seals there in place that are supposed to keep the water from coming in.
• 1:22:04
  Like any other car has those gaps between the hood and the fender.
• 1:22:08
  The DeLorean is no different.
• 1:22:09
  It also has simpler geometry.
• 1:22:11
  It has less sharp angles or simpler angles.
• 1:22:14
  Correct.
• 1:22:15
  Simple angles.
• 1:22:16
  But it does show everything.
• 1:22:18
  And part of the awesomeness of the stainless, just like having
• 1:22:21
  a stainless countertop or having a stainless stove or whatever, is
• 1:22:25
  those swirls and those striations.
• 1:22:28
  And I wanted to ask a refrigerator or like a dishwasher stainless,
• 1:22:32
  like appliances in your kitchen and they get like a water spot on 'em.
• 1:22:35
  Yep.
• 1:22:36
  Or after a while.
• 1:22:36
  And they look like hot ass.
• 1:22:38
  Does the DeLorean look like that?
• 1:22:40
  Or did they coat it in something better than like your refrigerator?
• 1:22:43
  It is better, but it's not clear coated.
• 1:22:46
  It's still metal.
• 1:22:47
  And so if you talk to Don, he actually wrote an article about
• 1:22:50
  doing car care on the stainless.
• 1:22:52
  It's a lot more complicated a process, but it comes out.
• 1:22:55
  You can use stainless polishes, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:22:58
  Just like you would do in your kitchen, on your stove or your refrigerator.
• 1:23:00
  Those striations, those marks, those imperfections in the stainless
• 1:23:04
  actually give the stainless character, because if it was completely smooth.
• 1:23:07
  It would end up looking like chrome and it would look terrible the way it
• 1:23:11
  changes the light when you look at it.
• 1:23:13
  And even sometimes one panel looks slightly discolored compared to the
• 1:23:18
  other, which is also the effect of anybody that has like a mystique paint
• 1:23:21
  job or like my BMW, where depending on the light, one panel of purple and
• 1:23:26
  the other one looked blue and you were like, not sure if the car was repainted,
• 1:23:29
  the stainless is sort of the same way.
• 1:23:31
  What it doesn't do is it doesn't blind you the way they have that stainless DeLorean,
• 1:23:37
  where it does have that kind of swirl in it and whatnot, or the or the lines
• 1:23:40
  in it, it doesn't have a ton of glare.
• 1:23:43
  So you can look at it in broad daylight or at night, and it still just looks
• 1:23:46
  the way it does, which is hilarious.
• 1:23:48
  Because if you look at the photo in the article, there's glare coming off
• 1:23:52
  the side of This thing, like I need my sunglasses just to look at this photo.
• 1:23:58
  Well, we have to wrap out our Tesla gate.
• 1:24:00
  We would be remiss section with even more Tesla gate because it continues.
• 1:24:06
  Tesla is now faced with a lawsuit for over exaggerating the
• 1:24:10
  driving range of their vehicles.
• 1:24:12
  That is fascinating.
• 1:24:13
  Kind of like diesel gate.
• 1:24:15
  This really is a Tesla gate type of situation.
• 1:24:17
  The way that Tesla's calculate their range using very simple math and not
• 1:24:22
  actually taking into account load and all this other stuff and driving conditions.
• 1:24:26
  And it's sort of like you drove two miles, you use this amount of electricity.
• 1:24:30
  So it's always consistent.
• 1:24:31
  It's a theoretical calculation that has no basis in actual.
• 1:24:35
  Exactly.
• 1:24:35
  Now the question I have is theoretical calculation or otherwise,
• 1:24:40
  who got paid off at the EPA?
• 1:24:42
  Because they post these numbers and EPA certified X amount of kilowatt
• 1:24:46
  hours per mile, blah, blah, blah, just like they do with a gas car.
• 1:24:49
  Who signed off on this?
• 1:24:51
  Or maybe, just like Dieselgate, it went out there and nobody knew until somebody
• 1:24:55
  sat down and figured it out and understood the math that's being calculated.
• 1:24:59
  I don't know.
• 1:24:59
  I guess we'll learn more as I think this is, you know, fresh and still developing.
• 1:25:04
  If Tesla gets away with this, Was Volkswagen falsely sort of
• 1:25:10
  persecuted because of Dieselgate.
• 1:25:11
  If Tesla doesn't take on the same sort of, let's say, punishment or
• 1:25:15
  have to pay back the same kind of reparations, what have we just done?
• 1:25:19
  What have we created here?
• 1:25:20
  We favor one versus the other because it was diesel versus EV or whatever.
• 1:25:24
  To me, these are very similar situations where they falsified that
• 1:25:28
  information, but it, it's different because Dieselgate was more of like
• 1:25:32
  an environmental concern of releasing.
• 1:25:35
  Higher than approved of gases, I'm glad you brought that up because
• 1:25:40
  here's the problem with this math.
• 1:25:42
  The way I look at it, you're falsifying the way you consume electricity,
• 1:25:46
  which means you're pulling more, which means you're putting more load
• 1:25:49
  on the grid, which means that the power stations are running more.
• 1:25:52
  So you're actually not as efficient as you said you were.
• 1:25:55
  Which is now a detriment to the environment in a similar,
• 1:25:58
  but not exactly the same way as diesel was to the environment.
• 1:26:01
  So if you kind of stretch this out and think about it from a lawyer's
• 1:26:04
  perspective, there's a lot of other moving parts that could be brought
• 1:26:07
  into this conversation about how they're cheating and gaming the system.
• 1:26:11
  And there's an environmental impact.
• 1:26:13
  Because these Teslas are not as efficient as they say they are.
• 1:26:16
  Maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:26:17
  Hit us up in the comments.
• 1:26:18
  If you have a different opinion or different math, but you know, the more I
• 1:26:21
  think about this, it's not too different.
• 1:26:23
  I don't know what to say.
• 1:26:24
  Cause this is, it'll be interesting what comes out of
• 1:26:26
  the investigative work, right?
• 1:26:27
  Because this are consumers, I think that have brought this up and are complaining
• 1:26:32
  that they've seen less mileage.
• 1:26:33
  Well, are you, how are you like, how do you validate that?
• 1:26:36
  Cause if you're driving like a.
• 1:26:38
  Asshat or something.
• 1:26:39
  And you're constantly, I didn't get my range while you had your
• 1:26:43
  foot to the floor, constantly doing burnouts everywhere.
• 1:26:46
  Of course you didn't achieve your range.
• 1:26:47
  Like it's going to be interesting to see how they revalidate this.
• 1:26:51
  Now that our expectations have been thoroughly lowered, Brad can sing for us.
• 1:26:55
  Lowered expectations.
• 1:27:01
  This next one is complete buffoonery.
• 1:27:04
  Was this Andrew Bank?
• 1:27:05
  I mean, come on, we've all tried it at least once or know somebody that has.
• 1:27:09
  I'm going to paint my brake calipers because I want them to
• 1:27:11
  look like the Brembo big red.
• 1:27:14
  So you get out the spray paint and you go to town and if you got a couple extra
• 1:27:18
  bucks, maybe you take your calipers off.
• 1:27:20
  You have somebody powder coat them and then they're permanently red.
• 1:27:23
  But this.
• 1:27:24
  Fellow car enthusiasts decided, you know what?
• 1:27:27
  Let's just spray paint the whole damn thing.
• 1:27:29
  Rotors and all!
• 1:27:30
  But if you look at it, he, like, sprayed it through the wheel.
• 1:27:33
  He didn't even take the wheel off.
• 1:27:34
  If you spin the wheel and spray, it's, you get it in there, man.
• 1:27:38
  Get that pinwheel effect.
• 1:27:40
  It also blows the spray can fumes back into your face so you can get high on them
• 1:27:45
  while you're painting your brake rotors.
• 1:27:46
  Maybe that's why this happened.
• 1:27:47
  You know, they take it into the shop and they're like, It won't stop.
• 1:27:50
  I wonder why.
• 1:27:53
  Unbelievable.
• 1:27:53
  So public service announcement.
• 1:27:55
  Don't spray your brakes with anything, but break clean when you're servicing them.
• 1:28:00
  How about that quick update for you guys?
• 1:28:02
  Last time we talked about Tex Mex motors and Downey's dream cars.
• 1:28:05
  I actually finished both of them.
• 1:28:07
  I had some extra time to do so.
• 1:28:09
  Yeah.
• 1:28:10
  Tex Mex motors.
• 1:28:11
  Really interesting.
• 1:28:12
  I am looking forward to season two.
• 1:28:14
  They're hinting at.
• 1:28:15
  Potential Ferrari build upgrade and trade six figure car at the end of the whole
• 1:28:19
  show actually turned out to be a nine 11 that they converted from basically
• 1:28:23
  a club race car back into a street car.
• 1:28:26
  They ended up selling it for upwards of 160, 000.
• 1:28:30
  So they met their goal after doing all the upgrades and
• 1:28:33
  trades and selling and buying.
• 1:28:34
  And in season two, they hinted at going after a Ferrari Daytona that they have
• 1:28:38
  to go deeper into Mexico to go get, and then they're going to try to restore that.
• 1:28:42
  So really curious to see where the show goes from there.
• 1:28:44
  By the end, I was invested.
• 1:28:47
  I was engaged.
• 1:28:48
  I thought it was a lot of fun.
• 1:28:49
  I liked the fact that they weren't just doing hot rods.
• 1:28:52
  Just like when they started with that Opal GT, ending with the 911.
• 1:28:56
  There were some really interesting rides in between.
• 1:28:58
  So they kept it fresh.
• 1:28:59
  They kept it interesting.
• 1:29:01
  Lots of builds that you don't expect to see on other shows.
• 1:29:04
  I feel like this is a change of opinion.
• 1:29:06
  I feel like the initial opinion from the first episode was
• 1:29:08
  much more negative than this.
• 1:29:09
  It was, and that's why I wanted to come back to it and say, look, I
• 1:29:13
  went all the way through, I gave it a chance, and I've come around on it.
• 1:29:17
  Now, does it have the same charisma that Let's say the guys from Gotham
• 1:29:22
  garage have on rust to riches.
• 1:29:23
  No, a same show, but different show.
• 1:29:26
  But by the end of the eight or 10 episodes that Texan X motors was, I was on board.
• 1:29:31
  They do good work, interesting stuff, interesting paint jobs, nothing over
• 1:29:35
  the top, no spider webs and Halloween stuff or anything like that, just nice,
• 1:29:39
  clean builds, somewhat decent prices.
• 1:29:41
  If you look at how they sold the cars.
• 1:29:43
  Meanwhile, I flipped over to Downey's Dream Cars on HBO because it was
• 1:29:47
  recommended, so I finished watching that.
• 1:29:49
  That's like six episodes, if I remember correctly.
• 1:29:51
  I was into it until the Corvette, and I say that because I think a little bit of
• 1:29:57
  all of us as classic car enthusiasts and petrolheads and motorsports enthusiasts
• 1:30:02
  all sort of died that day because he took a pristine, numbers matching, C2
• 1:30:08
  Corvette convertible and just stripped it down and turned it into an EV.
• 1:30:12
  It was like, you know, you could have picked up any other C2
• 1:30:15
  Corvette for let's say less money.
• 1:30:18
  I get that this one was in your collection, but I would have sold
• 1:30:20
  that Corvette to somebody that wanted a numbers matching original
• 1:30:24
  car and turned it into an EV.
• 1:30:25
  Cause I mean, they stripped it all the way down.
• 1:30:27
  They took the interior out of it and replaced it with a mushroom.
• 1:30:30
  Leather based interior that it's like artificially grown, which
• 1:30:33
  was an interesting concept.
• 1:30:34
  I was fascinated by the way they did the build, but just that episode
• 1:30:39
  sat sideways with me because I would have picked something else.
• 1:30:42
  I will say I wasn't a big fan of the paint schemes that Robert
• 1:30:46
  chose for a lot of the cars.
• 1:30:48
  But at the very end, it did turn around.
• 1:30:51
  They did a really nice Samba build with a T2 bus.
• 1:30:56
  And they turned it into an EV.
• 1:30:57
  Now, they didn't use Rich Benoit and his team from Electrified Garage.
• 1:31:01
  They did the bolt in kit from EV West because it was easier.
• 1:31:04
  They didn't have to fabricate, just drop it in.
• 1:31:06
  Those have been done a million times.
• 1:31:08
  They turned it into this surfing design, family hauler type of very retro
• 1:31:13
  California beach boys type of look.
• 1:31:15
  I very much enjoyed the way they rehabbed.
• 1:31:18
  That type two bus.
• 1:31:19
  So at least we left on a high note, I don't see the show
• 1:31:22
  continuing for a second season.
• 1:31:24
  It's already transferred from one service to another because it was
• 1:31:27
  originally on discovery plus, and then moved to HBO max or I guess max.
• 1:31:31
  Now it's called again.
• 1:31:33
  I went through it.
• 1:31:34
  It was worth watching.
• 1:31:35
  There was some interesting discussion in there, but that Corvette episode
• 1:31:38
  just sort of killed me a little bit.
• 1:31:39
  And I'm sure it did for other people.
• 1:31:41
  If you watched it or are going to watch it.
• 1:31:43
  Now this next one, Brad, this is your favorite car.
• 1:31:45
  Is it now?
• 1:31:46
  Isn't that the car you just lust after?
• 1:31:48
  Yes.
• 1:31:49
  Large chested women and all.
• 1:31:52
  This car is a large chested woman.
• 1:31:54
  I don't understand this.
• 1:31:56
  And for the listeners out there, this is a Fiero.
• 1:31:59
  That has been swapped to have the motor in the front.
• 1:32:02
  And in doing so, they had to lose power steering, apparently.
• 1:32:05
  Yep, I can tell by the guy playing with the steering wheel.
• 1:32:08
  He's got the underhand.
• 1:32:09
  Oh my god, I actually, I've seen this guy before.
• 1:32:12
  He was at the gas station in his early 2000s Dodge Ram, blasting Marilyn
• 1:32:17
  Manson when I was there the other day.
• 1:32:20
  Same guy, looks just like him.
• 1:32:21
  I want to know how he sees.
• 1:32:23
  I know he can't turn fast because no power steering, But how do you
• 1:32:26
  see, not just past the A pillar, But three quarters of the engine,
• 1:32:30
  the motor pillar, the end pillar.
• 1:32:32
  That's why you have a passenger, a co pilot to tell you what's going
• 1:32:35
  on, on the right side of the car.
• 1:32:36
  So riddle me this Batman, the transmission tunnel is where exactly?
• 1:32:40
  It's probably front wheel drive.
• 1:32:44
  Yeah, right.
• 1:32:45
  No, not with those rear wheels.
• 1:32:46
  No, it's definitely not front wheel drive.
• 1:32:47
  Oh my goodness.
• 1:32:48
  That has to be the most uncomfortable car on the planet to drive.
• 1:32:51
  It's not even worthy of our uncool wall because it's just so out there.
• 1:32:56
  And then you sit back and say.
• 1:32:58
  Hold my beer.
• 1:32:58
  I got an idea.
• 1:32:59
  Let's spend some money and time building a front mounted Fiero.
• 1:33:04
  I don't get it.
• 1:33:05
  So in our final lowered expectation, this goes back over to California
• 1:33:09
  where you were recently, but I don't think you had any opportunity to see
• 1:33:13
  any of these vehicles because they're limited to the San Francisco area, I
• 1:33:16
  believe, which is not where you were.
• 1:33:18
  However, the fleet of Robo taxis that they've got going around
• 1:33:23
  in not necessarily test mode.
• 1:33:25
  They're actually actively being used as robo taxis, but it's definitely a
• 1:33:30
  significant rollout of the technology.
• 1:33:32
  The cruise owned by Google or something as who owns actually owns it as
• 1:33:37
  the parent company, but the cruise fleet of self driving robo taxis.
• 1:33:41
  Has hit a bit of a hiccup.
• 1:33:43
  They've been asked pending investigations from the Department of Motor Vehicles over
• 1:33:48
  there to reduce their fleet by about 50 percent because of some recent incidents,
• 1:33:53
  which it's like, all right, it's the programming of the technology's fault.
• 1:33:58
  Not necessarily the robo taxi's fault, because the first situation
• 1:34:02
  is the robo taxi's fault, for sure, because a human driver.
• 1:34:05
  I'm actually not 100 percent sure that they would have
• 1:34:08
  been paying attention either.
• 1:34:09
  It proceeded through its intersection on a green light.
• 1:34:11
  However, it did not audibly sense the firetruck sirens until the firetruck
• 1:34:18
  was close enough that it filtered the other noises out, and it didn't see it.
• 1:34:23
  It perceived it as a threat when it was too late and did try to do evasive
• 1:34:26
  maneuvering, but it was too late at that point and the firetruck t boned the robo
• 1:34:30
  taxi, which did have a passenger in the vehicle and they got a little bit hurt.
• 1:34:34
  But there was also a similar incident where again it was proceeding through
• 1:34:37
  its green light intersection and somebody else was running red light.
• 1:34:41
  And again, it got T boned by somebody else.
• 1:34:44
  Well, it's a good thing emergency services were already on scene.
• 1:34:48
  Well, there's a couple of things that I like about this.
• 1:34:50
  First of all, this Chevy cruise, Google cruise, whatever has evasive maneuvers.
• 1:34:56
  Well, I've used those words like the starship defiant or something, right?
• 1:35:00
  I'm like, that's cool.
• 1:35:01
  Activate shields, activate shields.
• 1:35:04
  It needs that apparently.
• 1:35:05
  Cause it's getting hunted down at intersections.
• 1:35:08
  Well, I mean, if you look at all the gear on the roof, it looks like it's got a
• 1:35:10
  deflector disc and photon torpedoes and everything else attached to this thing.
• 1:35:15
  But I want to talk to somebody that's gone for a ride in one of these
• 1:35:20
  Johnny cabs, because I think it will be not a discussion about cars.
• 1:35:24
  But about psychology and my number one question is, why did you
• 1:35:29
  think this was a good idea to get in a car with nobody driving it?
• 1:35:33
  That's a level of risk.
• 1:35:34
  I guess somebody's got to do it.
• 1:35:36
  But again, here we are.
• 1:35:37
  Two people are in these accidents.
• 1:35:39
  And now, now what?
• 1:35:41
  The second one was actually a day poor little thing.
• 1:35:44
  And even better.
• 1:35:46
  Again, clobbered by somebody.
• 1:35:47
  This time it was somebody running a red light.
• 1:35:49
  It happens, right?
• 1:35:51
  But it didn't have time to properly react, which is also what happens
• 1:35:55
  with human drivers behind the wheel.
• 1:35:56
  Sometimes you're effed.
• 1:35:58
  Depending on, like, I don't know, the road structure building could
• 1:36:01
  have been blocking, there could have been something else in the way,
• 1:36:03
  the camera couldn't see, sometimes the human eye doesn't see either.
• 1:36:06
  Not trying to completely defend, but that's unfortunate.
• 1:36:09
  It could be a step back.
• 1:36:10
  Hopefully they can.
• 1:36:11
  Can take the learnings and improve the programming and the auditory
• 1:36:15
  sensors and the cameras and all that this technology, in my opinion, we
• 1:36:19
  need to trickle down to people like Tesla that are claiming their vehicles
• 1:36:23
  can just self drive themselves too.
• 1:36:25
  So what happens in the same instance, if this was a Tesla crossing that
• 1:36:27
  intersection and a fire truck was coming, we already know when it sees the emergency
• 1:36:31
  lights, it just drives into the object.
• 1:36:33
  So if I didn't like turn and headed on onto a fire truck, I don't know.
• 1:36:39
  Well, time will tell if the Johnny Cab will become a real thing or not.
• 1:36:43
  But you know what else?
• 1:36:44
  Time has passed by for a section of the drive thru that we
• 1:36:47
  haven't talked about in a while.
• 1:36:48
  It's one of Tanya's favorites.
• 1:36:50
  What is that?
• 1:36:51
  Rich people thangs.
• 1:36:52
  Oh, we got some rich people thangs.
• 1:36:54
  So get this.
• 1:36:55
  I'm going to summarize this for you.
• 1:36:56
  Aston Martin Valkyrie owners.
• 1:36:59
  at their scheduled and appointed 10, 000 mile service are faced with a hefty bill.
• 1:37:04
  Would you guys like to guess how much it costs for the first service
• 1:37:07
  on your Aston Martin Dockery?
• 1:37:09
  It's over the course of the first 10, 000 miles, not the very first service.
• 1:37:14
  So it's all the services over the first 10, 000 miles.
• 1:37:16
  Potato, potato, tomato, tomato, either way, there's a massive amount of money
• 1:37:21
  on the line here within the first 10, 000 miles of owning this car.
• 1:37:24
  How much does this car cost?
• 1:37:26
  Million.
• 1:37:26
  Three million.
• 1:37:27
  Millions.
• 1:37:28
  $3 million.
• 1:37:30
  Yep.
• 1:37:30
  Yes.
• 1:37:30
  So the service cost at the 10,000 mile mark is a low,
• 1:37:34
  low bargain price of $464,000.
• 1:37:38
  And how many miles do you pay?
• 1:37:40
  This car, this car is gonna quickly cost you more than which paid for it.
• 1:37:46
  And you won't have to put any miles on this thing.
• 1:37:48
  Keep in mind, I think it's only, I don't know if it's street legal.
• 1:37:52
  The original Valkyrie that came out was not street legal.
• 1:37:54
  I guess this is different, but.
• 1:37:56
  I'm going to use their words from the article, because it's something
• 1:37:59
  that you touched on earlier, Tanya.
• 1:38:01
  Customers of such cars are familiar with such expensive maintenance.
• 1:38:06
  Anyway, Valkyrie owners are also likely Bugatti Chiron and Koenigsegg owners.
• 1:38:11
  So they're used to the frequent high dollar maintenance and likely won't
• 1:38:15
  bat an eye at the service schedule.
• 1:38:17
  You can afford 3 million for some hyper car.
• 1:38:20
  That's completely practical, right?
• 1:38:22
  It's not your daily driver or anything.
• 1:38:24
  Then you probably can afford almost half a million dollars of maintenance.
• 1:38:28
  Well, that's why it's rich people fangs.
• 1:38:31
  Speaking of other rich people, thanks.
• 1:38:32
  You remember that weird looking Cadillac that we talked
• 1:38:35
  about like almost a year ago?
• 1:38:37
  The Celestique.
• 1:38:38
  We kind of made fun of its design because we weren't sure if it was
• 1:38:42
  coming or going, if it was a 928 or if it was a wagon or if it was a sedan.
• 1:38:47
  It's definitely an EV.
• 1:38:48
  I've never seen one on the street.
• 1:38:49
  You never will either.
• 1:38:51
  I don't think we ever will.
• 1:38:52
  Yeah, they've released what it's gonna cost.
• 1:38:55
  Jesus, Louise.
• 1:38:56
  Right?
• 1:38:57
  Well, it doesn't quite cost the maintenance of the other one.
• 1:38:59
  For the low, low bargain rich people thang price of 340, 000,
• 1:39:06
  you can have a Cadillac Celestique.
• 1:39:08
  That's hand built in Michigan with a plaque on the door stating such.
• 1:39:12
  By a guy named Steve who has a DeWalt tool belt and a hammer in it.
• 1:39:16
  I'm telling you.
• 1:39:17
  He built it with Ryobi tools.
• 1:39:19
  I didn't even necessarily have to read past.
• 1:39:21
  Even the subtitle, which was, it's official, Cadillac is taking
• 1:39:25
  on Rolls Royce and Bentley.
• 1:39:27
  And I was like, ha ha ha ha ha, keep passing on the great
• 1:39:31
  Poupon, because you know what?
• 1:39:32
  That's been since day one of Cadillac, folks.
• 1:39:35
  Cadillac was designed to compete with Rolls Royce, Bentley, and Packard.
• 1:39:38
  This is not new.
• 1:39:39
  The question about Cadillac has been, why are they in the performance?
• 1:39:44
  Segment Cadillac racing, the sort of sports saloons because they have been
• 1:39:49
  for as long as Cadillac has been around.
• 1:39:51
  We talked to the Cadillac club, dude.
• 1:39:53
  Why is Bentley in the racing?
• 1:39:54
  It's the same thing.
• 1:39:55
  It's a double edged sword, but it's not new at any stretch.
• 1:39:59
  And I actually kind of feel like Cadillac has been lacking a super 340, 000.
• 1:40:06
  Too much maybe, but is it something that Cadillac needs to break away from
• 1:40:11
  the muscle car sedans they've been building for the last 10 or 15 years?
• 1:40:15
  Yeah, because they really don't have anything outside of the Escalade that is
• 1:40:20
  that limousine black car type of vehicle.
• 1:40:24
  And I think the Celestique maybe checks that box if it ever comes to be.
• 1:40:27
  Okay.
• 1:40:28
  So you've got 400, 000 to spend on a car.
• 1:40:31
  I'm buying this.
• 1:40:31
  You can buy a Rolls Royce, a Bentley.
• 1:40:34
  Or a Celeste or a Celeste iq, whatever it's called.
• 1:40:38
  Which one do you buy?
• 1:40:39
  I'm gonna buy a Porsche Tecan and have money left over.
• 1:40:42
  No, you're not.
• 1:40:42
  You've got three choices.
• 1:40:44
  You can buy a Rolls Royce, a Bentley, or a Celeste or a small company.
• 1:40:48
  I'm okay.
• 1:40:49
  Small company for sure, but the reality is, if I have to pick
• 1:40:53
  from the cars, I'm gonna buy a Bentley because it's a Volkswagen.
• 1:40:56
  What about you, Tanya?
• 1:40:57
  I have to choose one.
• 1:40:59
  You have to choose one.
• 1:40:59
  You can choose a BMW Rolls Royce, the Volkswagen Bentley, or the
• 1:41:04
  Chevrolet Cadillac, or you can buy a sweet frog franchise.
• 1:41:07
  Which one are you spending 400, 000 on?
• 1:41:12
  I was going to say that or a small Eastern block country.
• 1:41:16
  I'll do the Bentley also.
• 1:41:18
  You know, I'm right there with you.
• 1:41:20
  As much as I love the Phantom, I would do a Bentley because
• 1:41:23
  it's part of the Vag family.
• 1:41:25
  But you know what?
• 1:41:25
  None of us said.
• 1:41:26
  None of us said Cadillac.
• 1:41:28
  The people that are currently buying Rolls Royce and Bentleys,
• 1:41:30
  they'll never say Cadillac either.
• 1:41:32
  Well, you know what they might be buying?
• 1:41:33
  For their children.
• 1:41:35
  Oh, tell me there's a Baby 3.
• 1:41:37
  We talked before about the Bugatti Baby 2s.
• 1:41:41
  There was the Chiron.
• 1:41:42
  There was a Mini.
• 1:41:43
  Oh yes, the Bugatti Chiron, yes.
• 1:41:45
  It also had the Speed Key, I think.
• 1:41:47
  Yes.
• 1:41:47
  There is a company...
• 1:41:49
  Called group Harrington that apparently makes a whole bunch of these cars.
• 1:41:53
  There's the GB spirit.
• 1:41:55
  There's a spider, the Ferris Bueller, Ferrari, Eric, pick the fry.
• 1:41:59
  What would you pick?
• 1:42:00
  You got to go with the Cobra 289 Cobra.
• 1:42:03
  I'm doing the 300.
• 1:42:04
  You're going to go with the 300.
• 1:42:04
  I.
• 1:42:05
  Figured you would've went with the F 1 race car.
• 1:42:07
  Nah, I'm gonna go with the Merc.
• 1:42:08
  He's a Benz girl.
• 1:42:09
  And I probably would've, should've went with the Jeep.
• 1:42:11
  Let's see how much, let's see how much is...
• 1:42:13
  They're so expensive, they don't list the price.
• 1:42:16
  You might as well buy the real thing at that point.
• 1:42:18
  Yeah.
• 1:42:18
  You can design your car.
• 1:42:20
  Look at this shit.
• 1:42:20
  It's funny, you guys bring this up.
• 1:42:22
  I saw some of these.
• 1:42:24
  At some of the auctions in car week, they're really, really cool.
• 1:42:27
  These are the nicest go karts you have ever seen.
• 1:42:30
  I believe it.
• 1:42:31
  If only we could afford them, we could each get one and then go.
• 1:42:34
  We talked about this before the go karts need to look like the race cars,
• 1:42:37
  and then you can do a proper Petit Le Mans or Petit Le Mans classic.
• 1:42:41
  There'll be amazing.
• 1:42:42
  A Petit Petit Le Mans.
• 1:42:44
  You should be able to get the pricing.
• 1:42:46
  It says to email for a quote, because at the top of the page,
• 1:42:49
  it's got great British pounds, the.
• 1:42:52
  The euro or U.
• 1:42:53
  S.
• 1:42:53
  dollar, and you can add things to your shopping cart.
• 1:42:56
  I don't know because when I went into the 300, it says request for quotation.
• 1:43:00
  Leave your details and request quotation for the car and
• 1:43:02
  options you have selected above.
• 1:43:04
  Yeah, I see that you can't afford it.
• 1:43:07
  More than you can afford, pal.
• 1:43:09
  I can go buy a real one of these.
• 1:43:11
  Maybe two.
• 1:43:12
  For probably less than this mini one costs.
• 1:43:15
  I do like the little Ferrari California though.
• 1:43:17
  That's pretty sweet.
• 1:43:17
  Get all rich people things.
• 1:43:19
  I'm gonna get one for Henry.
• 1:43:21
  It's time we go down South to Florida for alligators and bears.
• 1:43:25
  You know what?
• 1:43:40
  I don't have any Florida men.
• 1:43:42
  What?
• 1:43:43
  I don't got no Florida men.
• 1:43:44
  I got other men, but no Florida men.
• 1:43:46
  By the way, did you guys see that picture that I sent you?
• 1:43:48
  Yeah, that was good.
• 1:43:49
  He pulled up next to me in the turn lane and he was like,
• 1:43:52
  Oh, can I get in front of you?
• 1:43:53
  I didn't realize this lane didn't go straight.
• 1:43:54
  And it was like, yes, whatever.
• 1:43:56
  And he pulled up into the middle of the intersection and
• 1:43:58
  I looked at his license plate.
• 1:43:59
  He said, Florida, man, like Jesus Christ.
• 1:44:02
  Of course you are.
• 1:44:04
  Well, we had some California man during car week, as you would
• 1:44:09
  expect car weeks, a little bit more upscale than just cars and coffee.
• 1:44:12
  Although there are some cars and coffee, I went to one sponsored by the Ferrari club.
• 1:44:16
  It was fantastic, included wine and hors d'oeuvres and
• 1:44:19
  all sorts of other fun stuff.
• 1:44:20
  Not like any cars and coffee that we have here on the East coast running
• 1:44:23
  up and down highway 101 between the different areas of Monterey, the
• 1:44:28
  California highway patrol or the chips.
• 1:44:31
  Got tipped off.
• 1:44:32
  Uh, I don't know what the tip off was.
• 1:44:33
  It was car week.
• 1:44:34
  We all knew that they pulled over 154 speeders during the course of car week.
• 1:44:41
  Only how many of them were in an Alexis LX 600.
• 1:44:46
  Not going to say we didn't open the taps on the Lexus a couple of times.
• 1:44:50
  It will allegedly, allegedly.
• 1:44:53
  That's a lot of people, though it is, but to Tanya's point, it also seems awful
• 1:44:58
  low considering the thousands of people that are participating in car week.
• 1:45:02
  This actually brings up a good question.
• 1:45:04
  154 people at Monterey car week.
• 1:45:06
  This is over the course of the entire event.
• 1:45:08
  I'm guessing they don't really, they really give that detail.
• 1:45:11
  Do they catch more people here?
• 1:45:13
  Or more people at H2O.
• 1:45:17
  Ooh.
• 1:45:18
  Because H2O isn't just speeding though.
• 1:45:20
  Yeah.
• 1:45:21
  So are more people ticketed at Monterey or H2O?
• 1:45:24
  I'm going to guess H2O.
• 1:45:25
  All right.
• 1:45:26
  This one doesn't have a link.
• 1:45:27
  It was something I heard on the radio yesterday morning,
• 1:45:30
  which was a very bizarre story.
• 1:45:32
  The radio host was Talking about his encounter in an Uber recently, a Tesla
• 1:45:37
  Uber, so it was a Model 3, and he got to just chatting with the driver like,
• 1:45:42
  oh, electric car, how do you like it?
• 1:45:44
  Like, I was thinking about getting an EV, blah, blah.
• 1:45:46
  Dude's like, you want to drive my car?
• 1:45:50
  And the guy's like, Uh, no, man, I'm good.
• 1:45:54
  Dude was like, no, you have to drive this car.
• 1:45:56
  Like, if you're interested, you need to.
• 1:45:58
  Jets out.
• 1:45:58
  Makes him get in the driver's seat.
• 1:46:00
  So now he's driving his own Uber.
• 1:46:03
  And then proceeds to be like, okay, they're driving around.
• 1:46:06
  He's heading home.
• 1:46:09
  And then he's like, Oh, but you really got to open it up.
• 1:46:11
  Get on the JFX.
• 1:46:12
  So if you're from Baltimore local, you'll understand what that means.
• 1:46:15
  He's like, you know, get on it.
• 1:46:17
  And he's like, no, man, I'm good.
• 1:46:18
  No, no, you really got to like, open it up and experience it.
• 1:46:21
  So you're like, he said he accelerated a little bit.
• 1:46:23
  And the guy was like, no, get on it.
• 1:46:26
  Dude was sitting there telling him to like, just, you know, go balls
• 1:46:31
  on his like Tesla to this perfect stranger that like got in his
• 1:46:36
  backseat that he doesn't even know.
• 1:46:38
  Dude said he was just, like, freaking out and just finally,
• 1:46:41
  like, pulled up to his, like, home and was like, Alright, thanks, man.
• 1:46:46
  Un real.
• 1:46:47
  He was like, I was so scared.
• 1:46:49
  He's like, what's the liability if something had happened
• 1:46:51
  and I was driving the Hooper?
• 1:46:55
  Oh my God, that's ridiculous.
• 1:46:57
  So watch out if you're in Baltimore getting an Uber.
• 1:47:01
  You might have to drive your own Uber.
• 1:47:03
  You might have to pay and drive your own Uber.
• 1:47:06
  For some reason, I thought you were going to say that the car was stolen.
• 1:47:10
  When I think about this entire story, Is it really an Uber or is that a rental car?
• 1:47:15
  It's a Toro.
• 1:47:16
  What star review do you give?
• 1:47:17
  Do you like rate yourself?
• 1:47:19
  My Uber driver was really good.
• 1:47:21
  It was me.
• 1:47:22
  I got here real quick.
• 1:47:23
  I tell you, if that guy gave me the opportunity to drive his car, five
• 1:47:27
  star rating and like 50 percent tip.
• 1:47:29
  I would have been like, bro, you're awesome.
• 1:47:30
  This is cool.
• 1:47:33
  He might've been giving you a one star review though.
• 1:47:38
  I didn't know my Tesla could do that.
• 1:47:40
  Look at that drift.
• 1:47:42
  But speaking of what a Tesla can or cannot do going to California
• 1:47:47
  again, it's a California theme, Mono city, wherever that is.
• 1:47:51
  I don't know.
• 1:47:51
  I think recently there's been some storms.
• 1:47:54
  This, that, and the other good for them.
• 1:47:56
  They need water and shout out to all our friends in Southern
• 1:47:58
  California that experienced that flash flood last week and a 5.
• 1:48:03
  0 earthquake, like within 24 hours, like unbelievable, crazy weather in
• 1:48:07
  the LA area, especially, and this dude was driving down some road and the.
• 1:48:12
  Full self driving mode.
• 1:48:14
  There was a sign flooded area up ahead.
• 1:48:16
  Oh, it's probably not real.
• 1:48:18
  There's always a flooded sign out there.
• 1:48:20
  Okay.
• 1:48:20
  There was some water in the road.
• 1:48:22
  The full self driving doesn't know how to interpret that.
• 1:48:26
  So he kept driving.
• 1:48:27
  There's a video of this.
• 1:48:28
  It's pretty funny.
• 1:48:29
  Seemingly drives through the initial puddle, which wasn't too deep, honestly.
• 1:48:33
  As soon as it hits traction again, though, the thing goes, like,
• 1:48:37
  crazy and just, like, jerks to the left, swerves off the road.
• 1:48:42
  Dude ends up, basically, water up to the door, almost to the windows, like,
• 1:48:48
  in a ditch off the side of the road.
• 1:48:50
  I can't imagine what that bill's gonna be, because, like, the bumper was, like,
• 1:48:53
  hanging off and everything's wet now.
• 1:48:56
  So what's funny about the picture, that's the cover photo of the video, when I
• 1:49:01
  first looked at it, I couldn't tell if that was dirt or alligators, right?
• 1:49:05
  Doesn't it look like it was taken like gators.
• 1:49:11
  Yes, it does.
• 1:49:12
  And the guy's like blurry and getting out of the passenger seat.
• 1:49:16
  He goes through a flash flood and then ends up in a pond.
• 1:49:20
  I mean, what are the chances?
• 1:49:21
  First of all, What was he doing?
• 1:49:24
  Because the full self driving failed, but you could have tried to take
• 1:49:27
  control of the car at that point, probably couldn't because it was
• 1:49:29
  forced the steering wheel or whatever.
• 1:49:31
  But like, you could have also anticipated like using your brain, like, Oh,
• 1:49:34
  there's actually standing water up.
• 1:49:36
  Cause you could clearly see it in the dash cams of the Tesla that a rational
• 1:49:40
  person would have maybe hit the brakes and taken it out of full self drive and,
• 1:49:43
  you know, cautiously driven through there.
• 1:49:45
  I wonder how much water it Took on because of the precise micron
• 1:49:50
  of the panel gaps of the doors.
• 1:49:53
  And we know how good the seals are on the Tesla three.
• 1:49:56
  A lot of water.
• 1:49:56
  Cause these still remain with home Depot parts.
• 1:49:58
  Yeah.
• 1:49:59
  Yeah.
• 1:49:59
  So it was a kiddie pool inside.
• 1:50:00
  Maybe it knew it was going to combust.
• 1:50:03
  So it drove into the water.
• 1:50:07
  Yeah.
• 1:50:08
  Funny as that sounds to say, it actually makes my brain kind of spin into a
• 1:50:13
  more serious direction to say, what if there was leakage in the battery area
• 1:50:19
  and suddenly now he's got water in there in the containment part, right?
• 1:50:22
  This could have turned out really, really poorly for this guy.
• 1:50:25
  To Tanya's point, look ahead, think ahead, don't let the car drive for you,
• 1:50:29
  because with these EVs, all it takes is one little leak, and the next thing
• 1:50:34
  you know, you're in the middle of a serious hazmat and electrical issue.
• 1:50:37
  What the hell is full self driving mode?
• 1:50:40
  That is autonomous level 27, remember?
• 1:50:43
  That means that you can recline your seat.
• 1:50:45
  Go to sleep.
• 1:50:45
  Oh, just kidding.
• 1:50:46
  That means that you have to have your hands on the steering
• 1:50:49
  wheel, but the car will drive itself better than a human being.
• 1:50:52
  So how is this different than autopilot?
• 1:50:54
  It's what they call their autopilot.
• 1:50:56
  Oh, I thought they called autopilot autopilot.
• 1:50:58
  They keep changing the name.
• 1:50:59
  So we think it's something different.
• 1:51:00
  That's all.
• 1:51:01
  Yeah.
• 1:51:01
  Because they keep getting in lawsuits for the name of the product.
• 1:51:04
  The last but not least, we're going to jump to the other coast to Pennsylvania.
• 1:51:08
  Pennsylvania coast.
• 1:51:09
  Does Pennsylvania have a coast?
• 1:51:11
  I mean, Jersey, Pennsylvania's coast is Jersey.
• 1:51:16
  I meant we're moving from the western side of the U.
• 1:51:19
  S.
• 1:51:19
  to the east coast, of which Pennsylvania is not directly on it, but we're moving
• 1:51:25
  to the eastern side of the United States.
• 1:51:30
  I apologize.
• 1:51:31
  Oh my god.
• 1:51:33
  What the hell is this?
• 1:51:34
  Exactly.
• 1:51:35
  Pennsylvania man allegedly crashed his Toyota Corolla into a house intentionally,
• 1:51:40
  and he wound up Wedged into the second floor of this house, the picture alone.
• 1:51:47
  I'm like, there must've been like a ramp and I think there was some sort of
• 1:51:50
  berm embankment and he like turned and he shot Dukes of Hazzard and then ended
• 1:51:56
  up in the second floor of this house.
• 1:52:00
  How fast was he going?
• 1:52:02
  I don't know.
• 1:52:02
  Why did he do it on purpose?
• 1:52:04
  That's another question that is not explained.
• 1:52:08
  Can you imagine being in your bedroom on the second floor?
• 1:52:11
  And a car comes crashing through the side of the house.
• 1:52:15
  No, I mean, unbelievable, but you know, testament to those
• 1:52:21
  Pennsylvania houses didn't collapse right into the first floor.
• 1:52:25
  It's just hanging there like a lawn dart.
• 1:52:27
  It just like busted a hole in the side of it.
• 1:52:29
  And otherwise it's.
• 1:52:30
  I like the gutters a little bit on the front porch roof.
• 1:52:34
  It was like that.
• 1:52:36
  Apparently there are houses that are built hurricane proof and
• 1:52:39
  storm proof and whatever proof Pennsylvania houses are Toyota proof.
• 1:52:43
  So there you go.
• 1:52:45
  Well, with that, it's time that we go quickly behind the pit
• 1:52:48
  wall and talk about motor sports.
• 1:52:50
  And last car, Tanya, you're on a roll.
• 1:52:54
  Yeah, apparently that dude who won his first NASCAR race, the Chicago
• 1:52:58
  Street Race, Shane Van Gisbergen, he's gonna do another NASCAR race.
• 1:53:04
  Nice.
• 1:53:04
  Good job, Van Gisbergen.
• 1:53:06
  We need more European sounding names in NASCAR, I think.
• 1:53:10
  It's like Talladega Knights.
• 1:53:12
  Formula One, come on, what's been happening?
• 1:53:14
  Anything good?
• 1:53:14
  You've been on summer break, the last race before summer break
• 1:53:17
  was Spa, and I fell asleep.
• 1:53:19
  Oh, is that good, huh?
• 1:53:20
  First half won.
• 1:53:21
  Oh, shocker.
• 1:53:22
  How many seconds did he win by?
• 1:53:24
  50?
• 1:53:24
  I don't know, because I fell asleep, and it was like, yep, he won, okay.
• 1:53:27
  But he didn't win his next race.
• 1:53:31
  Yeah, that's right.
• 1:53:31
  I forgot about that.
• 1:53:32
  He was involved in a sim racing incident.
• 1:53:35
  That happened a while ago already though.
• 1:53:37
  That was already a couple of real F1 races ago.
• 1:53:39
  And that was a pretty funny video to watch.
• 1:53:41
  Footage of that.
• 1:53:42
  He got hunted or something.
• 1:53:44
  And then he just in a full Forza VRL league rage mode, just.
• 1:53:51
  Torpedoed the dude off the track, which was very unsportsmanlike,
• 1:53:56
  and he should have more control and then got disqualified for that.
• 1:53:59
  You know how we talked about how expensive it is to go to Las Vegas
• 1:54:03
  for the Formula One Grand Prix.
• 1:54:05
  I've seen pictures from folks on social media, folks that we're
• 1:54:08
  friends with that have taken pictures that have been in Vegas saying
• 1:54:11
  construction is happening, looks like they're putting the race together.
• 1:54:14
  Again, like we talked about how expensive it might be to go to this
• 1:54:17
  race, you know, million dollar packages at the wind and the Venetian and all
• 1:54:21
  these places to watch the race from.
• 1:54:23
  But our friend, Elizabeth Blackstock over Jalopnik says you can pick
• 1:54:26
  up your F1 tickets at Costco.
• 1:54:28
  I mean, does that make them less expensive?
• 1:54:30
  I don't believe it's for the Vegas race.
• 1:54:34
  You can buy your Austin tickets.
• 1:54:36
  Yes.
• 1:54:36
  Because with Miami and Vegas, who wants to go to Austin?
• 1:54:40
  True.
• 1:54:41
  It's 106 this week in Austin.
• 1:54:43
  Insane.
• 1:54:44
  But you know, how American is it?
• 1:54:46
  I'm going to buy my F1 tickets while I buy six pounds of country crack.
• 1:54:50
  It would be more American if they were NASCAR tickets, but they give
• 1:54:54
  those away with a Costco pizza.
• 1:54:56
  Moving on very quickly to WRC news, which nobody cares about.
• 1:55:00
  I just want to highlight there was a little bit of drama.
• 1:55:02
  A little bit of drama, former star of WRC Terre Nouvelle running for
• 1:55:07
  Hyundai was disqualified from the Kenya rally because he was doing some
• 1:55:12
  illegal recce, as they call it, or reconnaissance, trying to get inside
• 1:55:17
  information before his sighting passes and things like that and anything else
• 1:55:20
  he could gather about the Kenya rally.
• 1:55:22
  So he was disqualified from Kenya.
• 1:55:25
  And I still have some rallies to catch up on like Portugal and others.
• 1:55:29
  So I might, or might not cover that at a later date.
• 1:55:32
  All depends on if our fans care or if Brad cares.
• 1:55:35
  Nope.
• 1:55:35
  Yeah.
• 1:55:35
  I figured I'll keep it to myself then.
• 1:55:38
  My guilty pleasures rally.
• 1:55:39
  So that's all I tried.
• 1:55:40
  That being said, did you know that dirt fish.
• 1:55:44
  The rally school in the United States has changed their website and they have
• 1:55:48
  taken over where auto sport has left off of their coverage of all things rally.
• 1:55:53
  So Brad, you were asking about where you can see it other than red bull TV.
• 1:55:57
  You can now check out coverage of WRC on dirt fish.
• 1:56:01
  So you can go to dot com and see different types of coverage of the rallies there.
• 1:56:07
  I'll give that a try.
• 1:56:07
  There you go.
• 1:56:08
  And on a sad note, autocross, one of our favorite disciplines of racing that a
• 1:56:15
  lot of us started out in, unfortunately took two drivers in Washington state.
• 1:56:20
  It was an SCCA event, pro solo event, and as I read it, basically
• 1:56:25
  the guy was on course and came in on his lap and just never stopped.
• 1:56:30
  According to A comment on that news article from somebody, it says, according
• 1:56:34
  to the conversation on GRM, which included the brother of the driver in the
• 1:56:38
  incident, the driver suffered a sudden heart attack and lost consciousness.
• 1:56:42
  The car did eventually stop when it hit a building again, sad day because it
• 1:56:46
  took the lives of 2 members and this is not a normal occurrence for autocross.
• 1:56:52
  It's.
• 1:56:52
  Generally very safe because the speeds are much lower.
• 1:56:54
  Things have been known to happen.
• 1:56:56
  Mistakes have been made at autocrosses in the past, but yeah, this is just sad
• 1:57:00
  and tragic and hopefully won't besmirch the great reputation that autocross
• 1:57:04
  has or keep people from going to them in the future, I want to remind people
• 1:57:08
  that our motorsports news has been brought to us in partnership by the
• 1:57:11
  international motor racing research center out of Watkins Glen, as I mentioned
• 1:57:15
  earlier, there's been a couple of.
• 1:57:17
  Podcast episodes this month, one of them, the history of Corvette celebrating its
• 1:57:21
  70th birthday with Kip Sider, as well as an road to success episode with Mark
• 1:57:26
  Steigerwald, the current director of the IMRRC as well, where he talks about the
• 1:57:30
  25th anniversary of the center, talks about the Glenn's birthday, we talk
• 1:57:34
  about Le Mans, a lot of other really interesting stuff on that episode.
• 1:57:38
  So as a reminder, they are still running their sweepstakes for a 2024 Corvette.
• 1:57:45
  Ray, you can use the promo code Ray launch to get bonus tickets and either
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  win the Corvette or take the cash option.
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  All the proceeds from the sweepstakes benefit the
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  continued progress of the center.
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  It helps them fund what they're doing because they are a nonprofit.
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  They do have some events coming up.
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  Here in September and the later fall on September the 16th, they're doing a
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  center conversation called Brumos and American racing icon with Sean Cridland
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  at 1 PM on September 30th, they're doing their 25th anniversary party on November.
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  The second, the day before and leading up to the arts and girls symposium
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  on motor racing history, they're doing an international real wheel.
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  Film festival celebrating the historical racing documentaries
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  on November the 2nd at 5 PM at the downtown Watkins Glen movie theater.
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  And then on November the 3rd and 4th, we have the Michael R Argen singer symposium
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  on international motor racing history, which we will be in attendance for.
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  So looking forward to seeing anybody and everybody, if you come out
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  to the event, it's a great event.
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  And we will also be live streaming it on grand touring motor sports on Twitch.
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  Coming up in September, we have a few local news and events brought to
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  us by collector car guide dot net.
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  The ultimate reference for car enthusiasts, the car enthusiast, I
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  guess, schedule is winding down as we head into the fall and winter
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  months here on the east coast.
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  So it's not a big long list, but there are some events that I'd like to highlight
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  from the producers of motorama races and shows comes America's truck best.
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  That's September 2nd and 3rd at the Lebanon Valley Expo
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  Center in Lebanon, Pennsylvania.
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  Fuel Fest, September 9th at NJMP.
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  The Smoky Mountain Driving Tours is hosting a three day driving event at
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  Tale of the Dragon in Tennessee and North Carolina from September 15th to
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  the 17th sponsored by ESE carbon wheels.
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  Moto America, Superbikes, and King of Baggers will be at NJMP September
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  22nd through the 24th and Cruise and Brews at the Rockville Moose in
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  Rockville, Maryland on September 27th.
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  These events and tons more just like it.
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  All the details are available over at a collector car guide.
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  net.
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  That's right.
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  And now it's time for the HBD Junkie trackside report.
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  And much like the car show scene, the track scene is also winding down.
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  We're heading into the fall.
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  The racing schedule here starts to dry up in late October, early November.
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  If you're running VIR and some of the Carolinas and things like that, but
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  there are plenty of events all across the country that you can look up in HBDJunkie.
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  com's database.
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  But for us, there's been some cancellations, especially over at HOD.
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  They had to cancel some of their October events.
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  And their last event will be at NJMP Lightning on September the 23rd and 24th.
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  So that's about a month away.
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  That's the last event on their schedule.
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  They've had to cut their schedule short.
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  New Jersey one day on a Thursday is in October.
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  So I'm not sure why the September one is the last event.
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  I think it might be advanced only no coaches or something like that.
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  There is an event on the schedule for bikers.
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  Brad mentioned the Moto America Super Bike and King of Baggers event at N J N
• 2:00:49
  P, but there's also the Barber Vintage Festival at Barber Motorsports Park on
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  October the sixth through the eighth.
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  We have a link to that so you can check it out.
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  We've personally been to the Barber Motorcycle Museum.
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  It is awesome.
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  It is a site to be hold.
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  It is the largest motorcycle museum in the country, and Barbara Motorsports
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  Park is a great backdrop for some.
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  Racing, whether it's cars or our two wheeled friends on their motorcycles.
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  So I highly recommend running down to Birmingham, Alabama to
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  check out the Barbara vintage festival, if you have time.
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  And for those of you that do want to go to the remaining HOD events on the
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  Check out the other podcast episodes that air during the summer break.
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  More than just a paddock party, Gridlife has turned into a phenomenon
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  We chat with founder Adam Joubet about how it all got started
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  and why you should be involved.
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  Our panel of petrolheads extraordinaire combine their brain powers to tackle
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  We celebrate with Mark Steigerwald and Kip Zeider from the International
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  Motor Racing Research Center as they celebrate 75 years of Watkins Glen,
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  AMF board member and pro rider Clive Savakul talks to us about the world
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  Thanks again to everyone that has come on the show over this summer.
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  Anniversaries for the month of August.
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  We have Rob Lorz, who was featured in our man myth and little blue Miata
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  episode celebrating nine years with GTM.
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  Eric, you were going to say nine years.
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  It's a long time.
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  I was, that is a huge achievement.
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  I mean, Rob has been with us since the very beginning.
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  And so it's awesome to have loyal members like that in the group.
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  Take us home, Brad.
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  Special thanks to our guest host, no one because we didn't have any special
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  Bye Brad.
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  Bye Brad.
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  Bye Tanya.
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  We're gonna miss you, buddy.
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  You're gonna be off the air.
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  I think we missed an opportunity there to get Tanya on her soap box,
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  Usually it's Eric.
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  She does it when it's Tesla's, but we'll get to that later.
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  So Tesla
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