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Ep 39 - The Scars Divorce Leaves in Your Body · Magic Divorce Club Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Magic Divorce Club podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: This is your space to successfully navigate your divorce with confidence and create
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SPEAKER_01: I'm your host Hannah Harvey,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm the author of How to Divorce Sober and I have helped thousands of women
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SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to the Magic Divorce Club podcast,
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SPEAKER_01: it's me Hannah and today I'm joined by a lovely lady called Anna who I found
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SPEAKER_01: on Instagram.
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SPEAKER_01: And the reason I've invited her is because this month we're looking at kind of
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SPEAKER_01: the body as a whole, especially as you go through divorce.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I personally found my relationship with my body just went almost into disassociation.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not quite feeling things anymore.
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SPEAKER_01: And some of the work that I've seen that Anna is doing around scar work,
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SPEAKER_01: First of all,
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SPEAKER_01: made me cry just from reading a little carousel and also made me think
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SPEAKER_01: about how much of what we're going through in divorce can feel like scarring.
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SPEAKER_01: So, Anna, please,
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SPEAKER_01: can you give me a little bit of an insight on what you do
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SPEAKER_01: and how you ended up coming to Scar Work?
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SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me as well.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really lovely.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, so my...
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SPEAKER_00: Background,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm a body worker and that kind of started down the traditional route of massage and
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SPEAKER_00: then I moved into energetic work and somatic therapy, myofascial release.
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SPEAKER_00: The more I kind of looked at how the body is emotional as well as physical,
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SPEAKER_00: the more my work evolved and brought me to the scar work really because that kind
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SPEAKER_00: of encompasses everything.
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SPEAKER_00: It encompasses that traumatic element of whether we've chosen to have surgery or not.
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SPEAKER_00: Or whether we've had an accident or something's kind of happened that has been
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SPEAKER_00: a rupture in the body basically.
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SPEAKER_00: It's how we then work with that on all of these different levels to welcome it back
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SPEAKER_00: into the body and basically just try and create as much ease as we can.
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SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
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SPEAKER_01: When I started to think about some of the scars that I have,
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SPEAKER_01: like a couple, especially the ones from childhood on my forehead and in my eyebrow.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It didn't occur to me at all until I'm thinking about it this morning coming into this.
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SPEAKER_01: And those make me, it's almost like that's where your belief system begins.
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SPEAKER_01: So both of these happened from running into something.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, same.
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SPEAKER_00: I've got one in the middle of my forehead.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I wonder if...
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SPEAKER_01: There's something living in those scars which continues to let me believe that I'm
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SPEAKER_01: a really clumsy person.
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SPEAKER_01: Like if I'm one of these people that's going to run headfirst into mistakes constantly.
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SPEAKER_01: Sorry, as a slight aside.
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SPEAKER_01: But what made you want to specialise in scarring in particular?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I mean that's very much kind of my personal journey with my own health.
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SPEAKER_00: So I've got endometriosis and have had multiple surgeries over the years for this.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think the thing that I always found really interesting is that you go in
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SPEAKER_00: and you have these big surgeries,
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SPEAKER_00: but when you come away from it,
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SPEAKER_00: the scarring that's left on the outside is teeny tiny.
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SPEAKER_00: These little laparoscopy scars that are just, they look like nothing really.
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SPEAKER_00: So you kind of almost end up or I did anyway feeling like a bit of a like
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SPEAKER_00: a fraud kind
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SPEAKER_00: of going well I've just had this major surgery I've got this like really chronic
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SPEAKER_00: condition that is like quite invasive and I'm having
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SPEAKER_00: to have these big long surgeries to try and manage it so I can function yet on
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SPEAKER_00: the outside it's the classic hidden disability you it looks like nothing so
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SPEAKER_00: when I was feeling all of these feelings and looking at my body I was like gosh
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SPEAKER_00: The two things don't marry up in terms of what I know to be true
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SPEAKER_00: and what I'm looking at.
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SPEAKER_00: And also,
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SPEAKER_00: when we have surgery,
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SPEAKER_00: especially kind of gynae surgery,
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SPEAKER_00: the amount of work that goes on internally is huge.
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SPEAKER_00: And yet, how do we work with that afterwards?
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SPEAKER_00: How do we work with that when the outside of the body has healed?
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SPEAKER_00: Because those scars kind of disappear quite quickly.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's the what's going on inside as well,
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SPEAKER_00: because the scarring from that kind of surgery can be like really, really invasive.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was interesting to kind of and I've been looking for a few years now
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SPEAKER_00: of something that kind of can help me work with that for my own body.
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SPEAKER_00: And then doing the course,
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SPEAKER_00: all of a sudden I was like, yes, this is going to really help other people because.
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SPEAKER_00: Amazingly,
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SPEAKER_00: as soon as I kind of started having my own scars worked on,
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SPEAKER_00: I could feel the tracks of where the equipment had been in my body.
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SPEAKER_00: And it really showed me how much scarring tracks through the body.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's not just what we can see on the outside.
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SPEAKER_00: It's how it pulls all the way through and then how that impacts the rest
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SPEAKER_00: of your body and how it's functioning long after you've even had the surgery for
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SPEAKER_00: the thing that you went for in the first place.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: Coming to this was very much a personal journey of, well, how do I find out what my body needs?
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SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden,
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SPEAKER_00: when that plays out in so many different ways for my clients,
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SPEAKER_00: it just was like the obvious thing to do.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: it's been a bit of an interesting kind of like perfect storm of going
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SPEAKER_00: through something very traumatic myself to come out the other side
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SPEAKER_00: with something that's actually really,
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SPEAKER_00: really beneficial and helpful for other people as well.
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SPEAKER_01: You've just perfectly described how I've ended up where I am as well.
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SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people do.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I think, yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: a lot of people go in kind of looking for what they need and then finding
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SPEAKER_00: so much more.
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SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it was great.
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SPEAKER_00: The hero's journey.
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SPEAKER_01: The tradition.
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SPEAKER_01: We had to go through this route and then the path out the other end is then to share
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SPEAKER_01: and pass on your knowledge.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: I had a laparoscopy.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So I was also thinking about that scar earlier because I'm going, okay, what scars have I got?
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SPEAKER_01: And I only had the one, but I can still feel it when I'm twisting, if I'm in certain yoga poses.
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SPEAKER_01: And like you say, there's not really anything to see.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that kind of scar,
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SPEAKER_00: especially because it's more of a puncture scar,
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SPEAKER_00: is absolutely fascinating for how the fascial network kind of Forms back around it
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SPEAKER_00: as it heals.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's really,
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SPEAKER_00: really interesting to see how those affect the body when we talk about restriction
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SPEAKER_00: and movement.
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SPEAKER_00: I think the laparoscopies and the drain sites and things that are more of
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SPEAKER_00: a puncture scar are really interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and for me, that particular scar reminds me
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SPEAKER_01: Not necessarily feeling completely in control of what was happening at the time.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'd had a coil put in because everyone's like, oh, that's what you should do.
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SPEAKER_00: And it was
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SPEAKER_01: literally, I can't believe they still do this to women.
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SPEAKER_01: It was so unbelievably painful.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've been told that I have a lower pain threshold than most.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not really the point though, is it?
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SPEAKER_00: You should be given the approach.
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SPEAKER_01: I feel everything a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: Like I can feel your pain from over here, that kind of thing.
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SPEAKER_01: But still, I was like, this is, I could have passed out.
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SPEAKER_01: And then what happened was the coil,
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SPEAKER_01: I think it must have been over punctured and the coil moved out of my womb
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SPEAKER_01: and
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SPEAKER_01: was just like floating around in the ether.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So they had to kind of come and retrieve it.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, bless you.
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SPEAKER_01: So it was like, well, I didn't really want it in the first place.
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SPEAKER_01: I've now got to have surgery.
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SPEAKER_01: And two weeks later after the surgery,
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SPEAKER_01: because the coil had still been working, I then found out I was pregnant.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, gosh.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like, well, I mean, absolutely over the moon, but also like, oh, that wasn't the plan.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like a bit of a whirlwind time of things just happening to me and my body
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SPEAKER_01: without Again,
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SPEAKER_01: it was that running in head first without necessarily paying enough attention.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm interested actually in understanding what is still kind of held in that scar.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: Never thought about that before.
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SPEAKER_01: Just from everything you've just said, I'm like, there
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SPEAKER_00: is so much there.
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SPEAKER_01: So much.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, my God.
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SPEAKER_01: Like the history with my ex as well at the time is like.
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SPEAKER_01: So anyway,
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SPEAKER_01: if you were working with somebody who has scarring that they want to come
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SPEAKER_01: and see you about,
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SPEAKER_01: they're kind of lying on the table in front of you,
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SPEAKER_01: what would a kind of session look like?
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SPEAKER_00: So I mean, before we even get to the table, we do quite a lot of groundwork.
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SPEAKER_00: So there is a nice big conversation around kind of the circumstances of the scar,
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SPEAKER_00: kind of placement,
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SPEAKER_00: how it feels,
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SPEAKER_00: how the client feels about The scar and how they feel about their body,
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SPEAKER_00: because often,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: when we when we end up with scars,
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SPEAKER_00: it's very rarely a calm and kind of like super planned experience.
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SPEAKER_00: It might feel like that,
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SPEAKER_00: but actually the timelines of these things are normally quite quick
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SPEAKER_00: because it's something that needs to be done.
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SPEAKER_00: It's getting people to kind of reflect on something that they've probably just gone
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SPEAKER_00: through, survived, got out the other side, and they're getting on with their lives.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's looking at how we get people to sit and just kind of go, oh,
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SPEAKER_00: actually,
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SPEAKER_00: let's think about this a bit,
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SPEAKER_00: because I've not thought about it for such a long time,
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SPEAKER_00: because it's just part of my body.
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SPEAKER_00: So...
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SPEAKER_00: We kind of start there.
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SPEAKER_00: Then we look at how the body is moving in relation to the scar.
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SPEAKER_00: So we will either do some walking up and down or do some arm raising or movements,
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SPEAKER_00: kind of depending on where the scar is,
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SPEAKER_00: just to see how it's actually affecting the body in a wider sense.
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SPEAKER_00: Then that's when we move onto the table.
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SPEAKER_00: And for some people, they are absolutely fine to touch their scar.
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SPEAKER_00: They're fine to talk about their scar.
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SPEAKER_00: For other people, We need a much softer kind of gentle lead in.
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SPEAKER_00: So I always kind of start by just laying my hands on the body.
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SPEAKER_00: And then from a somatic perspective, I like to always check in kind of how does that feel?
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SPEAKER_00: Does that feel good?
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SPEAKER_00: Does that feel fine?
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SPEAKER_00: Does it feel neutral?
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SPEAKER_00: Or do you feel a bit nervous?
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SPEAKER_00: Do you feel a bit unsure?
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SPEAKER_00: If there's any of that uncertainty or any of that kind of I'm not quite We come all
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SPEAKER_00: the way out to the extremities of the body.
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SPEAKER_00: So, for example,
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SPEAKER_00: if we were working on a C-section or something and people were like,
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SPEAKER_00: yeah, no, I really want this worked on.
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SPEAKER_00: And as soon as the hands kind of go onto the tummy and they think,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not,
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I'm ready for this,
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SPEAKER_00: we come down to the feet, we come up to the shoulders.
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SPEAKER_00: And we work in this very, the whole kind of modality is very, very light touch.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're basically kind of coaxing and soothing and starting to speak to
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SPEAKER_00: the nervous system going,
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SPEAKER_00: this area has been an area of difficulty,
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SPEAKER_00: but actually we're going to welcome it back into the wider body.
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SPEAKER_00: However long that takes or however soft we need to be to get there is absolutely fine.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's very much a process of following, not forcing.
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SPEAKER_00: We kind of really let the body speak and follow kind of what it's ready for.
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SPEAKER_00: So yeah, the kind of that light touch on the table, getting really comfy.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything's very soft and warm, nice soft lighting.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, we want that kind of like held feeling for people while we're doing this work.
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SPEAKER_00: And then you kind of go through the session, see kind of what you can do.
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SPEAKER_00: You normally like,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: you have your introduction session and then the work kind of starts to unfold
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SPEAKER_00: from there, really.
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SPEAKER_00: But we always do like a lovely integration piece at the end as well,
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SPEAKER_00: where there are different holes on the body.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's similar, you know, to kind of energetic practices like Reiki.
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SPEAKER_00: Where we're holding the body and kind of allowing it to settle,
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SPEAKER_00: allowing it to go from having this kind of almost hyper awareness of what's going
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SPEAKER_00: on.
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SPEAKER_00: We're touching areas of the body that maybe we haven't touched before.
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SPEAKER_00: And so now then we need to bring the body right back down,
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SPEAKER_00: get people nice and grounded, make sure people are feeling super secure.
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SPEAKER_00: And stable within themselves.
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SPEAKER_00: So we spend a good chunk, about a third of the time is actually the integration piece.
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SPEAKER_00: And it makes a huge difference.
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SPEAKER_00: Because the kind of the session, it doesn't just, the work doesn't just happen in the session.
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SPEAKER_00: It kind of takes another three,
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SPEAKER_00: four weeks for everything that we've started to settle again
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SPEAKER_00: before you would have another treatment.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's a very slow process,
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SPEAKER_00: which is not a way that we're often used to working with what we actually want.
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SPEAKER_00: We're like, can we just have it done now?
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SPEAKER_00: Can we just be fine now?
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, no.
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SPEAKER_01: Sticks something in it to make
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SPEAKER_00: it better.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Gosh, everything you're saying there is really reminding me of...
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SPEAKER_01: A lot of the work we do in the Magic Divorce Club is,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: on a Monday,
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SPEAKER_01: it can often be you're working with a bit of the body that you don't,
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SPEAKER_01: like resisting a part, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So maybe you've got a horrible feeling in your stomach and you just want it to go away.
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SPEAKER_01: And a lot of what we're doing is like filling up with love and compassion all the way around.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: You let them know that it's safe.
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SPEAKER_01: It's safe for you to be here and I'm not going to abandon you even though you feel like shit.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you're coming with me.
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SPEAKER_01: We can't get through this unless you come too and I've got you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But obviously the natural feeling.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, come on in.
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SPEAKER_01: Obviously the natural response is to just reject this bit of us.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And try and just get on without it.
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SPEAKER_00: But actually it's like, what do you need to tell me
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SPEAKER_01: in having a little living?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, because it's there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's always there as much as we ignore these parts of ourselves, which is really normal.
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SPEAKER_00: I've gone through this as well with my scars.
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SPEAKER_00: You kind of, you just, you do what you need to do to be able to keep functioning.
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SPEAKER_00: So that kind of resistance to addressing stuff head on is really normal.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's just your body's protecting itself.
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SPEAKER_00: You just want to get on with life.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's really normal to have that resistance and feel a bit, oh gosh, I'm not sure about this.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's why that softness and that holding is so important in all body work.
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SPEAKER_00: But it's, yeah, it's really, really, really kind of the core of how we approach scar work.
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SPEAKER_01: And you just reminded me there that like,
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SPEAKER_01: it's tempting as it is to go in like a bull in a china shop and be like,
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SPEAKER_01: come on, tell
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SPEAKER_00: me, like the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Gently, gently is the key here.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Set a timer for five minutes and be with it.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't have to sit with it for an hour.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It's enough just to keep sticking in.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_01: I've got this pain in my throat that feels like I'm being strangled.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, just have a little breathe for five minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: See what is there.
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SPEAKER_01: And if it doesn't want to say anything, that's okay.
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SPEAKER_01: But don't ignore it entirely.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, because it just won't go away.
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SPEAKER_00: You've got to build that relationship with these parts to be able to kind of live with them.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't just get rid of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: It's about building capacity to live with it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But we do like to think we can.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, massively.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't need to address that situation.
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SPEAKER_00: It's totally fine.
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SPEAKER_01: So something that I think women going through divorce are particularly susceptible
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SPEAKER_01: to is cosmetic things.
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SPEAKER_01: I need to change my body in some way
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SPEAKER_01: because there must be something fundamentally wrong with me because I am now
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SPEAKER_01: in this situation.
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SPEAKER_01: So, you know, like.
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SPEAKER_01: It doesn't really matter.
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SPEAKER_01: It could be all sorts of different things that women believe they need to do next.
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SPEAKER_01: So have you had, like,
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SPEAKER_01: say somebody's had a rush boob job and they regret it later,
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SPEAKER_01: or they don't know they regret it, but they have this scarring.
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SPEAKER_01: What would you do in that kind of circumstance where they're maybe feeling like
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SPEAKER_01: a bit uncomfortable or disappointed in themselves, I guess?
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying you should,
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SPEAKER_01: like if somebody wants to have a job and you're like,
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SPEAKER_01: this is the thing I've always wanted to do.
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SPEAKER_01: As long as you feel good about it, that's great.
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SPEAKER_01: But sometimes we do these things because we think it's going to make us better.
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SPEAKER_01: And then we realize it wasn't that thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, massively.
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SPEAKER_00: It's such an acceptance piece of being kind to ourselves around kind of like
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SPEAKER_00: Where we were acting from when we do this stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: And loads of people go into it going, yes, this is definitely what I want.
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SPEAKER_00: I cannot wait.
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SPEAKER_00: Going to choose my life.
18:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: And then you can be super 100% on board with it and still come out
18:26
SPEAKER_00: the other side disappointed with the results or disappointed with the scarring
18:30
SPEAKER_00: or it isn't quite what you thought it was going to be,
18:32
SPEAKER_00: even though you're still glad you did it.
18:36
SPEAKER_00: And that's really interesting.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: I've worked with a couple of people like that.
18:40
SPEAKER_00: Where they've had surgery done because they were like,
18:42
SPEAKER_00: I just need this part of my body to change.
18:45
SPEAKER_00: So they've gone through the surgery, but the scarring hasn't been what they expected.
18:50
SPEAKER_00: So as soon as you kind of then start to work again with that part of the body,
18:56
SPEAKER_00: because again,
18:56
SPEAKER_00: we can then fall into a bit of rejection of ourselves at that state
19:00
SPEAKER_00: because it's not perfect or it's not exactly what we wanted.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: So again,
19:05
SPEAKER_00: it's that like lovely, soft,
19:06
SPEAKER_00: gentle approach of Well,
19:09
SPEAKER_00: let's just show it some love because that often is the big piece that is missing.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: And then as you work with the scar,
19:16
SPEAKER_00: because I mean,
19:17
SPEAKER_00: as much as I love to kind of put the emphasis on scar work being that deeper work,
19:21
SPEAKER_00: that kind of from the inside out,
19:24
SPEAKER_00: helping things kind of be more functional, there is an aesthetic element to it.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: And how we improve the outside and the way that looks can be really quite dramatic.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: For people who've had things for more of a cosmetic reason,
19:41
SPEAKER_00: this can include things like big sleeve tattoos as well as like tummy tucks,
19:45
SPEAKER_00: boob jobs.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: All of that can be worked on and it can all be made to kind of soften
19:52
SPEAKER_00: and feel easier because often I think with scar tissue it's that harder feeling,
19:58
SPEAKER_00: that restriction.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: That not only doesn't feel the way we expect our body to feel,
20:03
SPEAKER_00: especially around breast tissue where we expect a bit of softness,
20:07
SPEAKER_00: then also it's looking at how it looks.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: Is it tighter?
20:13
SPEAKER_00: Is it pulling in a way that we don't want it to pull?
20:15
SPEAKER_00: So the scar work can help soften everything,
20:18
SPEAKER_00: can help the tissue that has been cut kind of find its proper edges again so
20:25
SPEAKER_00: that there is movement, there is flexibility in the tissue.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: We get rid of that kind of harder tissue that can form.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: And so then all of a sudden it feels a bit more like we expect it to feel
20:37
SPEAKER_00: or it looks a bit more like we expect it to look.
20:40
SPEAKER_00: And then that massively helps with the acceptance piece as well.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: That's the first thing that people kind of often see with the scar work is how it looks.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: So can we show them how that tissue can change?
20:53
SPEAKER_00: That's when we can tap into the deeper stuff that's going on and get people to feel
20:56
SPEAKER_00: into their body more.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: So it works.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: It is.
21:00
SPEAKER_00: We kind of,
21:01
SPEAKER_00: we work from the inside,
21:03
SPEAKER_00: from the depth of the levels out,
21:06
SPEAKER_00: but we are also working from the top down in terms of looking at how
21:11
SPEAKER_00: the scars have formed and how that feels when you look at it.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: Because that's massive.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: But it's a real like softening of how we feel about ourselves.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: It's that emotional healing as much as anything when it comes to cosmetic work.
21:29
SPEAKER_01: Do you find that scars hold on to anything that people wouldn't expect?
21:36
SPEAKER_00: I think the big thing is that people don't expect how far reaching scarring can be.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: We kind of look at it in terms of, oh, well, there's a scar here or I've got a scar on my face.
21:46
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: Whereas actually, are you now getting headaches?
21:50
SPEAKER_00: Are you finding your neck doesn't feel the way it used to feel as you're moving?
21:54
SPEAKER_00: Like, can you lift that arm as high as you used to lift it?
21:58
SPEAKER_00: What else is going on?
21:59
SPEAKER_00: And it's this kind of the fascial network is so it runs through the whole body.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: It runs around all of our organs.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: It runs around all of our bones,
22:10
SPEAKER_00: around the nerves,
22:11
SPEAKER_00: the capillaries, everything like there is fascia throughout the body.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: It's what kind of is holding us together.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: But also from a sensory perspective,
22:19
SPEAKER_00: it is constantly giving us information as well in terms
22:23
SPEAKER_00: of How we feel our body is present in the world,
22:28
SPEAKER_00: how we know where we are physically, kind of that proprioception, that interception.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: So it's really interesting that people don't realise How much kind
22:39
SPEAKER_00: of what could be quite a small scar can reach through the body and have
22:43
SPEAKER_00: a much bigger impact.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: And it's once you start working on it and stuff starts to release
22:49
SPEAKER_00: and find its way home that all of a sudden the arm does move better.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: They're not getting as many headaches.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: They can move their head more.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: And they just like it creeps in really slowly.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden you're like,
23:00
SPEAKER_00: gosh, that that's changed because you're so used to your body being the way it is.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's that that slow change.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: Of what looks maybe quite superficial can have a much bigger full body impact.
23:14
SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing that's really like fascinating for people
23:17
SPEAKER_00: when they start getting the work done.
23:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, that is amazing.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm now thinking about all the places where I know that I'm gripping and going,
23:26
SPEAKER_01: oh my God, is that connected to that or this?
23:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: So do you have an example,
23:35
SPEAKER_01: like you don't have to go into the specifics,
23:37
SPEAKER_01: where someone has,
23:41
SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
23:44
SPEAKER_01: had an experience that sort of stayed with you because it was quite significant?
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
23:51
SPEAKER_00: I think
23:54
SPEAKER_00: it's interesting because I'd say the thing that's really significant
23:57
SPEAKER_00: that kind of comes across through most sessions is Is the sense of wholeness
24:02
SPEAKER_00: that people end up with.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: And that ability to vocalize wholeness because they didn't realize
24:09
SPEAKER_00: that feeling wasn't there before.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying that's going to be everybody who's got scars
24:14
SPEAKER_00: because people are wildly different.
24:17
SPEAKER_00: But that sense of coming back together is definitely a theme that I kind of see
24:23
SPEAKER_00: through the work.
24:26
SPEAKER_00: And that always feels quite profound because, again,
24:30
SPEAKER_00: you kind of,
24:32
SPEAKER_00: Wander around in your body and you just think, oh, well, I'm a whole thing.
24:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm fine.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: Whereas actually,
24:38
SPEAKER_00: if we're walking around and,
24:39
SPEAKER_00: you know,
24:40
SPEAKER_00: there's parts of our body that we're not really that connected to,
24:42
SPEAKER_00: to all of a sudden have that sense of wholeness back and to have that kind
24:46
SPEAKER_00: of fuller connection to the whole of you is really huge in how you experience
24:53
SPEAKER_00: the world and how you experience kind of other things that are difficult
24:58
SPEAKER_00: or other things that are challenging that come up.
25:01
SPEAKER_00: It gives you an awful lot more resilience to go, but this is me.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: I have this acceptance.
25:06
SPEAKER_00: I have this wholeness.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: So you find that the resilience piece is much bigger and how we
25:12
SPEAKER_00: then experience difficult circumstances can be much bigger.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: So I think that's definitely been a really lovely thing to see as I've been doing
25:22
SPEAKER_00: the work is that I don't know,
25:26
SPEAKER_00: that like solidness that people get and then how they articulate it comes
25:30
SPEAKER_00: in different ways.
25:31
SPEAKER_00: But it all comes down to that foundational sense of wholeness, which is really lovely.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: I want everybody in the Magic Divorce Club to come and see you.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: Get all of it reattached and we're not even reattached like they're there,
25:47
SPEAKER_01: but just knowing that it's all there.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: That's like the biggest gift I think we can give women who are going through this
25:55
SPEAKER_01: because there's a real deep sense of I'm not enough.
26:00
SPEAKER_01: Like there's obviously something about me that means that I am not enough.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of the work is like,
26:06
SPEAKER_00: no, you really are.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Like you definitely are.
26:09
SPEAKER_01: And the more you can pull in all of the different parts of you and be like,
26:14
SPEAKER_01: okay, I am a complete whole person.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: The more you can stand steady in what you do next.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
26:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's really important.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's why.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: As much as I've got other modalities and my all of my modalities kind of creep
26:32
SPEAKER_00: into sessions when I'm looking after people,
26:35
SPEAKER_00: it's very rare that I just do like a thing for people and especially for
26:39
SPEAKER_00: the scar work, the somatic work comes into it really quite strongly.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: Because that is where we find out how people are really feeling,
26:47
SPEAKER_00: where the wobbly is,
26:48
SPEAKER_00: where the kind of not feeling as strong or stable in an area of life or
26:54
SPEAKER_00: in certain situations.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: Then all of a sudden,
26:57
SPEAKER_00: if that comes out through the scar work, then we can also work with that as well.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: And that is all about building capacity in the nervous system
27:03
SPEAKER_00: and how we help people feel really like solid and have that ease to be able to deal
27:10
SPEAKER_00: with more difficult situations.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it's...
27:14
SPEAKER_00: It's nice helping people.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: It's not very glamorous, but it's really nice helping people feel resilient.
27:21
SPEAKER_01: Is there anything more glamorous?
27:23
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: You're never going to make yourself look glamorous and feel it on the inside
27:30
SPEAKER_01: unless all of these bits come together.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: Like we can all pretend,
27:35
SPEAKER_01: we can all put a mask on and walk around in our uncomfortable shoes or
27:40
SPEAKER_00: the ones
27:40
SPEAKER_00: that fit right just
27:41
SPEAKER_01: so that you've looked apart.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: But it's a different kettle of fish altogether to feel it.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh, massively.
27:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's, yeah, it's a process.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: I was getting this sense as you were speaking there as well
27:57
SPEAKER_01: as like our scars are almost like a timeline of our lives,
28:01
SPEAKER_01: like just mapped out on the body.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:04
SPEAKER_01: And some of them are on the inside,
28:06
SPEAKER_01: like if you've broken a bone or you literally can't see these things.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: I was once doing this,
28:14
SPEAKER_01: an exercise that I'm going to share in the workshop,
28:16
SPEAKER_01: which we've got is kind of going through the body and you use the,
28:21
SPEAKER_01: it's called Hopopono, you know,
28:23
SPEAKER_00: the Hawaiian forgiveness
28:26
SPEAKER_01: meditation.
28:26
SPEAKER_01: And the first time I did this,
28:28
SPEAKER_01: I was thinking about my toes and And kind of going into some of the feelings.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: And then I got this sense of like, I really hate that little toe.
28:41
SPEAKER_01: It's such a stupid little toe.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: And it just represented a time of such silliness.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: And it's because I ran into something when I was drunk and broke it.
28:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: I'd forgotten all about it.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's funny,
28:56
SPEAKER_01: isn't it?
28:57
SPEAKER_01: But then,
28:57
SPEAKER_01: you know,
28:58
SPEAKER_01: as I literally went into the specifics of that bit of my body,
29:01
SPEAKER_01: it came back and I was able to be like, oh, I forgive you.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: You know, that was a time when, you know, I was just a kid.
29:09
SPEAKER_01: We all make mistakes and I'd only had two beers.
29:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: No, absolutely.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I think it is.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: It's that almost like kind of reparenting of the self and just kind of going,
29:23
SPEAKER_00: you know, it's okay.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:24
SPEAKER_00: Not always going to get it right.
29:25
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes there are consequences, but we can work with that.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: And obviously divorce isn't a physical scar that you can see,
29:38
SPEAKER_01: but can you see that connection with the scarring?
29:42
SPEAKER_01: Like there could be things inside the body that feel like scars because of this experience.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: Massively,
29:50
SPEAKER_00: kind of emotional scarring is just as real as the physical stuff,
29:54
SPEAKER_00: if not kind of harder to deal with,
29:57
SPEAKER_00: because there isn't that kind of visual element of it.
30:00
SPEAKER_00: So I think definitely that's, I mean, for me, that's where then the somatic work comes in.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: And I've worked with people going through divorces.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: It's great for working through transitions and big changes in life and things
30:13
SPEAKER_00: that have had a big impact that we've had to survive,
30:16
SPEAKER_00: that we've not necessarily had the time to process because we've just got
30:19
SPEAKER_00: to survive it.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: It's the same with surgeries and scars, kind of the physical stuff.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: You've just got to get through to the other side.
30:25
SPEAKER_00: It'll heal.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: But in the healing, things don't always come back together in the best way possible.
30:31
SPEAKER_00: They come back in the quickest way possible because we need to protect.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: And so I would imagine that is very similar in going through something traumatic like divorce.
30:41
SPEAKER_00: Even in the best situation, it's very amicable.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: It's still there's a grief, there's a loss, there is a shift, there is a big change.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: And I think that marries through kind of physically because it will have,
30:54
SPEAKER_00: even though it's not necessarily a cut on the body,
30:56
SPEAKER_00: it will have physical impact as well of how we feel about ourselves
31:00
SPEAKER_00: and how we relate to ourselves.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: So I think, yeah,
31:04
SPEAKER_00: I think there is a lot to be said around the grief and loss element that comes from
31:11
SPEAKER_00: the physical scars as well as the emotional and how we take time to process those
31:15
SPEAKER_00: as well.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: And I'd say as well, the conflict side is something that most of us just are not geared up for.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: You know,
31:30
SPEAKER_01: like this constant feeling of you being attacked by the person that you went through
31:34
SPEAKER_01: a ceremony with, like a sacred ceremony where your souls came together.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden there,
31:42
SPEAKER_01: you can feel constantly like you're being attacked and your body just,
31:47
SPEAKER_01: you know,
31:47
SPEAKER_01: we're not beings that spend a lot of time in war or,
31:51
SPEAKER_01: you know, touch away, thank goodness.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: But just it's not something that most of us would ever choose.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: So a lot of the process of the transition is you feel like you're almost at war
32:06
SPEAKER_01: that whole time whilst grieving but not quite having permission to grieve yet.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: And then you might get to the end of it and you don't even know what
32:16
SPEAKER_01: to grieve anymore because you've just been this absolute hideous experience.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: That isn't for everyone,
32:22
SPEAKER_01: but a lot of people, even if it feels on the surface like it's amicable, Yeah.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot going on under the surface that feels like a direct attack on
32:35
SPEAKER_01: the inside of your body.
32:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:38
SPEAKER_00: And I think the anger and stuff that comes up through all of that as well is huge.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: And we're not good at allowing anger or always processing anger in a way
32:47
SPEAKER_00: that feels safe and acceptable.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a huge part of The scar work as well as the somatic work,
32:57
SPEAKER_00: it's very much how do we experience the full range of emotion in a way
33:02
SPEAKER_00: that feels okay and that doesn't feel like we're going to lose control or worries us
33:07
SPEAKER_00: because that all comes back down to being a kid as well
33:10
SPEAKER_00: and how we were modeled relationships and how we were modeled kind of rupture
33:15
SPEAKER_00: and repair.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: If we've never kind of had the good example of that,
33:19
SPEAKER_00: then of course we don't know what to do with it as an adult.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: And it feels even more difficult because we think we should know what to do with it.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: And I think the biggest thing as well is through all of the different type
33:31
SPEAKER_00: of body work and kind of things that I've learned, done,
33:34
SPEAKER_00: one of the biggest things that stays with me personally as well
33:38
SPEAKER_00: as professionally is Being in community,
33:41
SPEAKER_00: being in that community of practice,
33:43
SPEAKER_00: not just having a person that is the person that can help you,
33:47
SPEAKER_00: not just expecting yourself to be able to do everything and support yourself,
33:51
SPEAKER_00: having a,
33:52
SPEAKER_00: having a,
33:53
SPEAKER_00: I would kind of call it like a council of women and these are the people
33:57
SPEAKER_00: that we reach out to and these are the people that support us and kind of work
34:01
SPEAKER_00: with us to find these different layers and threads of ourselves so we come back into
34:06
SPEAKER_00: that wholeness again.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: So if someone had a scar,
34:17
SPEAKER_01: whether it's physically on the outside or they know there's something they want
34:20
SPEAKER_01: to work with,
34:21
SPEAKER_01: what would you suggest they could start doing now, even if they couldn't get to you?
34:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, of course.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: I think kind of
34:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to just say sitting with it because that sounds like a bit of a cliche,
34:37
SPEAKER_00: but kind of like noticing what feels difficult about it
34:41
SPEAKER_00: or noticing what's pulling you to want to work with it
34:44
SPEAKER_00: and just spending some time being curious about that,
34:49
SPEAKER_00: not trying to like solve things or come up with loads of big answers,
34:53
SPEAKER_00: but just like when you when you kind of think, OK, well, there's the scar.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Am I going to touch it?
35:00
SPEAKER_00: Am I going to like, you know, Is that even a possibility for me to touch it?
35:04
SPEAKER_00: How do I feel?
35:05
SPEAKER_00: How do I feel looking at it in the mirror?
35:07
SPEAKER_00: And just kind of be like a fact finder.
35:10
SPEAKER_00: Gather that information around what it is that you feel about this part of your body
35:14
SPEAKER_00: or this situation.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: And kind of all of the work that I do starts with curiosity.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: We ask ourselves loads of questions and just don't worry if those answers are uncomfortable.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry if some of those answers are surprising.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: That's absolutely fine.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: We don't know what we don't know.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: So going on that fact-finding mission and in small chunks,
35:39
SPEAKER_00: we're not going for like,
35:40
SPEAKER_00: like you say, we're not going in for a full hour of noticing.
35:43
SPEAKER_01: Let's not, you know, let's not overwhelm it.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Maybe in the shower, just have a little bit of it whilst you're soaping up.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:51
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's that thing.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: People come to Scarwick once they are ready to start addressing it.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: So they have built a certain level of capacity to be able to go,
36:00
SPEAKER_00: well, I am interested in that now.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: It took me years to want to actually work with my scars and to get to that point
36:09
SPEAKER_00: where you go, well, what is there?
36:11
SPEAKER_00: Like we know when there is just something else just niggling away
36:14
SPEAKER_00: that we don't quite know what it is, can't necessarily name it.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: What is it?
36:18
SPEAKER_00: So curiosity kind of before anything,
36:20
SPEAKER_00: because you know your body best,
36:22
SPEAKER_00: you know your reactions to your body best,
36:25
SPEAKER_00: you know, kind of what is going on or what feels difficult.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: So even if that's all you can say, that feels difficult.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: That is already a really helpful bit of information to give yourself because
36:37
SPEAKER_00: then all of a sudden, but why does that feel difficult?
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SPEAKER_00: And so it just leads you down this path of what is going on?
36:44
SPEAKER_00: And it's that conversation that we have with ourself and with our body.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm supporting people to do in person anyway.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: So you can start to do that for yourself as well.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: You don't always have to just be able to go and see somebody to start that curiosity
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SPEAKER_00: and just Fact finding of what is going on?
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SPEAKER_00: Why do I feel like that?
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SPEAKER_00: What am I feeling?
37:06
SPEAKER_00: And then that's the point where people will get really curious and then they want
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SPEAKER_00: to do something about it.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: Lovely.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: And so when people want to do something about it, how would they come and find you?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I'm on Instagram.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: I have my website.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: But I basically I run a call with everybody.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: So anybody that is new coming to my work,
37:30
SPEAKER_00: Because of the nature of the work I do,
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SPEAKER_00: it's not something, I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: you can just book a session,
37:34
SPEAKER_00: but I will always get in touch and say, let's have a chat first.
37:37
SPEAKER_00: Because that relationship,
37:40
SPEAKER_00: that therapeutic relationship is so important to the success of your outcomes.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: So if there isn't a rapport,
37:48
SPEAKER_00: if there isn't that relationship to begin with,
37:50
SPEAKER_00: it's a lot harder to have somebody just turn up and lie down and kind of you do
37:55
SPEAKER_00: a session.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: It's not like that.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: So that that relational aspect is really important.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: So people can book a free call to kind of come and chat on a Thursday night
38:06
SPEAKER_00: and see kind of see how they're feeling, see if it's the right modality for them.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: And I never gatekeep.
38:11
SPEAKER_00: So if I think actually you could do with going for some acupuncture
38:15
SPEAKER_00: or actually maybe You should try this type of therapy or have you looked
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SPEAKER_00: at anger work?
38:20
SPEAKER_00: Like there's other modalities and there's I've got a lovely network of women
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SPEAKER_00: that I go and see that I really trust that I will always kind of recommend
38:29
SPEAKER_00: to other people.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: So if you're coming with something that isn't in my specialty,
38:33
SPEAKER_00: I will refer you to somebody that can support you.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: So that's a big part of my practice as well.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: It's not just I can answer all of your kind of questions and problems.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: So it's yeah.
38:45
SPEAKER_00: It's kind of I always suggest to people come book that call, have a chat, see how you feel.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Like I never sell to people.
38:52
SPEAKER_00: I never go, right, well, so when do you want to book in?
38:55
SPEAKER_00: I always ask people to go away, spend some time, have a think, come back when you're ready.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: So it's very much like we are before you've even met me in person.
39:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm encouraging you to listen to your body and let your body kind of talk.
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SPEAKER_00: To you and say what it needs and what it wants.
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SPEAKER_00: Sometimes that will be me.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it won't.
39:14
SPEAKER_00: And that's absolutely fine.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
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SPEAKER_00: that's kind of the best way to start that kind of curiosity of coming to work with
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SPEAKER_00: a practitioner.
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SPEAKER_01: So in the show notes,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to share your Instagram,
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SPEAKER_01: how they can get in touch with you on via email or whatever your website.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: But thank you so much
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SPEAKER_01: for today, Anna.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: I really appreciate it.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
39:36
SPEAKER_00: It was lovely.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: It's really nice to chat to you.
39:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've really enjoyed that.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: I think it's absolutely fascinating.
39:42
SPEAKER_01: And I've learned a lot,
39:43
SPEAKER_01: like the whole thing about there could be whole parts of your body
39:47
SPEAKER_01: that could be being affected by a scar.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, hmm, interesting.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: My curiosity has peaked.
39:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, good.
39:58
SPEAKER_00: I've done my job for today.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
40:06
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