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Dr. Charles Nenner: Interest Rates Will Hit DOUBLE DIGITS… Get Ready · Man in America Podcast

• 1:24
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So I feel lucky because I get to sit here from the comfort of my studio and talk to really, really intelligent people. And I get to share that with you, which is even better. And so joining us today is someone I've had on before, and his name is doctor Charles Niner.
• 1:45
  And he's got a very interesting background. So he's actually a medical doctor that went into psychology, and then he then went into the stock market. His big thing is understanding cycles. Very similar to Martin Armstrong. He's in that class of people that are considered very, you know, some almost legendary cycles analysts.
• 2:05
  And so what he does, he's gonna explain more of it in this interview, is looks at cycles, look look back in history, and see the cycles, the patterns that develop. And once you start seeing these cycles and patterns, it's easier to understand where we're at in these cycles and patterns, but also what comes next. And so, you know, a few different areas that he's focused on are really have been financial and war, similar to Martin Armstrong and understanding, and they're very tied. And so today, we're gonna be looking at the financial cycles that he's seeing, what that tells him about the stock market, Dow Jones, etcetera, what that also shows about where the interest rates are at. Because as we can see right now with the interest rates where they are, it's really hurting a lot of Americans.
• 2:52
  And actually, what he says is he seems actually quite certain that interest rates are going to double digits. But then we're also gonna be talking about these cycles of war and also, again, what he's seeing, as coming next with, you know, Ukraine Russia war and what he sees is not it pittering out until it stops. Unfortunately, he sees it in escalation until things get kind of bad. So anyway, folks, please enjoy this interview with Doctor. Charles Niner.
• 3:20
  Doctor. Niner, it's so great to have you back on. Thanks for being here with us today.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: Welcome. There's a lot to talk about.
• 3:27
  Seth Holehouse: There is. So, this is you've done the show before, but but why don't you give us just a really quick background on yourself and maybe just a quick explanation of what financial cycles are and what cycles are in general and how those can be used to understand war, economy, etc. Because I think that that's a really important, both points are very important for the audience to understand before we get digging into the details here today.
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm a medical doctor and I did surgery, which was too difficult to me. So I then I changed to psychiatry. At least you have a chair, you can sit down, it's much better. So then I joined a worldwide program that wanted to know if people become psychotic all over the world at the same time. What leads to it?
• 4:12
  And we found out that they do it at the same time. And then we found what I call a cycle. Now what is a cycle? Actually comes the Greek words. A cycle means that every so many months, every so many years, every so many days, you change direction.
• 4:29
  So after that, I saw a program in New York and television CNBC, they said the market goes up, the market goes down. I said, that sounds strange. I'm going to check this out. So that was the beginning of the 80s. There were no computers, so I did it by hand.
• 4:44
  And then I joined Merrill Lynch. Said listen, I was a bit strange medical doctor. Then went very well and then I started my own company and joined Goldman Sachs for many years and it became a whole career. Now it's based on the fact that cycles and in financial markets price targets are predictable. And I will give you an example.
• 5:09
  Let's say we buy IBM. And we buy IBM at 100 and it goes to 150. And IBM comes out with great numbers, so goes up, you would think. Well, goes up up the cycle is up and then the Wall Street Journal will write, you know, people put into IBM because they're doing great. But what if the cycle is down, and then numbers are still great.
• 5:32
  So now IBM goes down. So what's the Wall Street Journal going to write about this as well? People took advantage, and they don't think the numbers going to be better next year. They took profit, which means is that even if you know the facts, most of the time we don't, the interpretation of the facts overruling the facts. So for instance, I showed you an interesting yearly cycle on interest rates.
• 5:59
  The interest rate is a big problem these days. Now this is a research I did. Interest rate you see starts at the beginning in 1700. It was a lot of work and this is a yearly cycle, which means is that from top to top and the cycle is in red, and the interest rates are in black. It's shocking for people that are born just you know, after, after this happened, that interest rates almost went to 20%.
• 6:28
  So from top to top to top, it's the same amount of years as from bottom to bottom to bottom. Now what you see is that in February, the cycle started to bottom now in 2023, and we have an acceleration to the upside, which means is the interest rates go up and they go up for the next, I'll say till 02/1940 or so. Now, if you think anything can happen in the world, then you cannot predict anything. The slogan says predicting is very hard, especially concerning the future. Maybe you know that one.
• 7:05
  It's not mine. I think it's by Freud, but it's still valid. If you say I don't know what's going to happen, just as seem to be a natural order in the world that works, and we see later what the reasons are for something to happen, then it's very profitable, especially financial markets, also in medicine, in climate, you can use it anywhere. And then whatever happens, we'll see why interest rates continue up. There's one more that I want to show, and that is a cycle that we did on the Dow Jones.
• 7:42
  That's not the yearly cycle. That says a daily cycle, you see it on the bottom. So what you see is the cycle topped, what is it two months ago, and it's now down for a while. So you can say, when I was at the top, I don't know why it should go down. Now we know there's a problem with the government, with the budget, whatever.
• 8:03
  That's probably not the real reason why it goes down. It goes down because the natural order of nature says that there is a cycle top and now the Dow Jones goes down. And then all kinds of bad things can happen. So it's very it's against human nature to think like that. But a lot of professionals think like that these days.
• 8:24
  And it's worthwhile to know how they approach markets instead of listening to stories that come after the fact, and you can't do anything anymore. So that's more that's my work has been for many years. So it's not only that we know when something happens, because maybe remember when you were in school, they used to teach you if you shoot a bullet bullet in the air, how high it can go with the momentum until it turns down, how far it goes. Same thing with the financial mark, which means if IBM goes up with a certain momentum, you can calculate how high it goes. And the funny thing is once it hits the target on the top, something's going to give way and it's coming down and it was oh, now it was coming down, because you don't know how to calculate the price target.
• 9:12
  So my work is, if something happens, we know when it happens. And if a move starts going up and down, we know what the next price target is.
• 9:20
  Seth Holehouse: And so, mean, in a lot of ways, it's finding patterns. You know, I've interviewed Martin Armstrong a handful of times, and he's talked about, you know, you know, the research he's done and, you know, that every, say, this many years, a war happens. Every this many years, I mean, something happens, which, I mean, to me, if you go back into the idea that we're not just some random group of cells flying in the universe, that there is a creative and intelligent design behind us, there'll be patterns right within that design. So-
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: I was I was a Fox channel years ago and it said the second decade of a new century leads to a war. So that's what we have now. Hundred years ago, we had the first world war. Before that, we had Napoleon. Before that so it's very interesting.
• 10:11
  We will people wanna check it. You just put on Google major wars around the change of the the century, and it goes back for thousands of years. Now the problem is, I remember when I was at Goldman Sachs, we had Abby Cohen at that time, she was head of the Economist. And if they don't understand it, they're accepted. I'm a medical doctor.
• 10:34
  If I can help you become better by getting rid of the red pill, I don't care if I understand, I give you the red pill. So it's much more practical what we do than economists who, you know, have all these things that then it's and then the end, they say, you know what, we're right, the market is irrational. That doesn't happen. Everybody's losing a shirt because the research is wrong. So that's why it's practical to have a medical doctor looking at financial markets.
• 10:58
  Seth Holehouse: Interesting point. And so with, I want to bring up the graphic, for instance, again, the Dow Jones. So, blue line on top represents the actual Dow, the number of the Dow Jones, right? Right. Showing it's, you know, bouncing in this from 2020 down to 18,000 roughly up to say 30, you know, '35, '30 '6 thousand.
• 11:21
  Now, what is the what is the red line below and how
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: did you generate the The red line is the cycle. So you see it hit the high in the when was it in the first high? What was it? 2020? I don't remember.
• 11:39
  And then it came down into the low, which you see 11/24 somewhere down the bottom. And then it went up again until it topped months ago. And now it's down again. Now you can come up with all kinds of reasons why it happened, but that doesn't really help the investor. What according to media investor wants to know is what's going to happen, forget about why it happens.
• 12:03
  But the problem is a lot of people don't want doubt, they want to know why it happens. And they're not worried about, you know, being practical and just accept that you don't know why it happens. Just you want to know what happens. Now, for instance, you know that I cannot come up with this book the black swan theory you know the black swan theory yes so the black swan theory says that they're going to be major occurrences in financial markets which is impossible to predict what leads to it So the big discussion is everybody tries to figure out what is the next one, what can happen. I don't try to figure out what can happen.
• 12:40
  I just want to know when it happens. But nobody seems to be busy when it happens. They'll want to know what will lead to it. So it's a total different approach, which is much more practical. I think the assumption is you don't know when it's going to happen.
• 12:55
  So let's talk about why it's going to happen. What we prove for twenty, thirty years that you'd know what's going to happen and when it's gonna happen. And we don't deal with why it's gonna happen.
• 13:08
  Seth Holehouse: That makes sense. That makes sense. And so let's touch upon the stock market, for instance. You know, I recently did a show on the housing market, and I recently sold a house. So I've been tracking what's happening, and it's not looking good for the housing market for a lot of reasons.
• 13:24
  And if you look at the the charts, they're they're all pretty scary looking. So what do you with the data that you're seeing, I mean, I think last time I interviewed you, I think it was earlier this year, you talked about seeing a thirty-forty percent drop in the stock market, by fall of this year, right? Fall heading into the winter, which tends to be the time when that happens, you know, in the overall cycle. What are you now that we're entering, you know, at the September and during the October, what are you seeing? What do you think is kind of is coming next over the next six months or so with, with stock market?
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: Well, first of the house, the housing markets seems still okay until the middle of next year, the cycle. What you have to watch very carefully is stocks like Toll Brothers and Lennar Brothers. If you look at what happened to those stocks 02/2005, '2 thousand and '6, they were already cut in half before the housing came down. So if you watch those stocks, then you have a prediction what's going to happen to the real housing market. Now there was a little shift in cycles, so I'm not sure that I'm holding the 30% right now.
• 14:34
  It's just going to it's going lower, but then it hangs around for a while. So we're going it's a bad situation. It's a bad situation. The economy is going to be in a recession. Now, you will hear people say they're going to be 30% chance to recession 50% of recession.
• 14:55
  I tell you a secret. There is an inverted yield curve, which means is that if you take the yield curve, what these investors do is the two year yields or the two year rate is higher than a ten year rate. That's called an inverted yield curve. Now, if it goes back to normal, that means is the ten year gives you a better rate than a two year, you go back to zero or better. Now, if you have data and you go back like fifty-sixty years, you can see that in 100% of the cases, was a recession once we go back to normal.
• 15:32
  And all these people say we have a chance for thirty-forty-fifty percent don't do their homework because of course one day we're going back to normal. And that's when the recession starts. Now when the recession starts is when corporate profits are going down, and then the market takes a dive. But it's a % correlation for the last fifty, sixty years. Take my word for it.
• 15:54
  If people want to take a look at my website, it's all there. So we're going into a session, the moment that the yield curve changes direction is going well above one, above zero.
• 16:09
  Seth Holehouse: And when do you think that might happen, that change?
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: I tell you honestly, it's not going to happen for a while. It's interesting. It's not going to happen for a while. I tell you, I don't have that ready because we're busy with doing so many markets. For the moment, it's not important.
• 16:29
  It's not going to happen. In our next interview, I'll prepare it and I can answer your question.
• 16:33
  Seth Holehouse: There we go. And, what about so your other chart, which I'll bring back up here is going to interest rates, which in tracking now, this is maybe a very basic question, but when it says bonds, what is the correlation between interest rates and bonds? Just for the, for you know?
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Well, these are interest rates and if bonds go down, interest rates go up. So this is not the bonds. This is other interest rates. Okay. And that's a good, that's a good question because actually it's not clear on this chart, but it means this is actually the rates of the thirty year bounce.
• 17:12
  Seth Holehouse: I see. Okay. And so, you know, right now where interest rates are at, and everyone's very focused on interest rates right now, and obviously because they're on their way back up and as the you know the meetings come up with the with the Fed everyone's kind of nervous and okay they're gonna raise, they're gonna pause. So with with what you're seeing here following this and following the cycles, what do you expect to see? I mean, do you think that we could potentially even hit double digit interest rates within the next couple of years?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. I've been saying that we can even go back to the highs.
• 17:46
  Seth Holehouse: Really? So you think we can even go close to 15?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Right. So also inflation is not a free choice because we know how inflation starts. It starts a little bit and then salaries goes up and people, you know, they buy or they don't buy, and it's always the same psychology. So once inflation starts, you can say hooray, it's down now from 7% to 5%. But the momentum that got it from what was it 1% to 7%.
• 18:17
  I mean, maybe like 15%, sixteen % where I come from in Amsterdam, in Holland, was it a 16%, seventy %, seventeen %. So this momentum is going to continue even if it's going to be a bit lower for a couple of months. So the same thing is with the interest rates. Of course, they're not going sky high within the next thirty years, they're going up and down. So it doesn't mean they cannot come to an agreement in the government and rates go a little bit lower, but something else is going to come up and rates are going up.
• 18:43
  It could be crude oil, it could be a war. We don't know, but we don't deal with why. We just want to be ready to know, you know, if interest rates go up for now. That's you're right, I also sold my house and asked them, and, you know, it's time to reconsider that.
• 18:58
  Seth Holehouse: And so, we know with the interest rates continuing and seeing how interest rates affect the overall economy and and especially people spending and whatnot, a lot of the the research I've done lately looking at what's happening here in America, we're reaching record levels of defaults, for instance, on credit cards, on their auto loans, etc. The which and the rates are really hurting people, but also looking at the the savings versus debt that's that's here in America. It's it's inverted greatly. I mean, obviously during the beginning of COVID, we had the injections of money coming in from the stimulus, etc. But now it's it's actually the the consumer debt is skyrocketing and their savings just keep dropping and dropping and dropping.
• 19:44
  And so, if the interest rates continue to go up and now we're if say we're hitting ten, twelve, 13, 15 percent, how do you think that's going to influence the consumer? Because right now, a lot of people can't even afford a house anymore because of the interest rates where they're at, and we're still in single Remember
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: what I said about IBM. If the cycles are up, you can have the news. It's bad. Nobody cares. Once a cycle turned down, the news is still bad, but now everybody gets worried because psychology has changed.
• 20:16
  Now, you might ask me why that is. I want to make it short, it becomes a bit more complicated. It's based on my study on sunspots. Sunspots is the intensity of the sun. And NASA, for instance, has a forecast weekly what the sunspots intensity is.
• 20:36
  Now the sunspot intensity leads to an electromagnetic field down here. And the electromagnetic field in the world has to do with the crystallization of water. The different kinds of crystallization of water. Even more interesting, there are pictures of of water when you curse and when you pray, maybe you've seen it under the microscope and it changes the crystallization. Now our brain is 80% water, which means is the crystallization of water influences the situation of rain.
• 21:10
  So this is what cycles are based on. It doesn't come out of the blue, it has a physical component. So once that electromagnetic field changes, and the cycle changes, then it doesn't mean that the news get worse, the news get even better, but now everything is interpreted on the negative level. And then the consumer and everybody says, wow, we're in trouble. So that's coming close already.
• 21:37
  So against the reality is not always a problem, the interpretation of the reality is a problem. For instance, I'm very worried about the war situation, very worried, and it seems like nothing is going on. Nobody seems to be worried. We have a pact that seems to be growing, and we've seen that in all the big wars, I would say Korea, China, Russia, Iran against The United States by themselves or the West, and nobody seems to be worried. It's just outrageous, and once cycles turn in a certain way, then everybody will be totally worried about it.
• 22:13
  Who knows what happens to inflation, crude oil, and price, or whatever. It just you have to be prepared.
• 22:20
  Seth Holehouse: And so let's let's touch on war because that is something it's it's what's interesting, actually, I can comment on this because, you know as someone in my position I'm putting out four or five shows every week and I'm following the topics and part of what I'm trying to understand is the the ebb and flow of what people are interested in because I try to find it's a crossover, I try to find information and guess I think that are important, but also, I need to be aware of what people are interested in, right? And so it's that blend of not only be carrying out what everyone's interested in, but also kind of putting it together. And so I I find that there's just certain times with war, for instance, that people are much more interested in the war and for whatever reason. But then there's other times when no one seems to care about it. In one show, if an interview is done on the war at the peak interest time, it'll get three times the amount of views than at the low interest time, even though the same situation is happening in the war.
• 23:24
  And so I observed that, you know, these cycles, you know, from where I'm standing too, which is also interesting. And so as he mentioned, you know, that no one really cares about the war right now, but doesn't mean that it's over or it's not going to get worse.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's the first I answer you in a second, but this is so interesting with financial markets because people invest based on what they read on television. And if the gold price will go up for months, then they pick it up, but that's at the high because people who know what's going on bought already the bottom. So they need the stupid public not to take it out of their hands. That's always the same play. I remember my father says, how is it possible?
• 24:02
  They're also on the wrong side because you listen to the media only pick it up after it happens for a while. So after what happens for a while they pick it up. Now, I'm Dutch. So I don't want to I'm just neutral. Okay, just give you some facts.
• 24:19
  United States has been involved in I think almost 20 wars after the World Second World War. They all more or less lost it. They had the NATO was 17 countries. Now it's I think 33 countries. They broke every promise they had with Russia.
• 24:37
  They expanded the NATO everywhere. And the only thing that Russia wanted is don't put the rockets next to our border. Now Americans know that problem because you know what Kennedy did. They didn't put the border, put it in Cuba, and he risked already a third world war. So what would The United States do if Russia would put in Mexico?
• 24:58
  They wouldn't allow that. They wouldn't come up with the same thing. Mexico is allowed to do whatever they want. So they're really pushing it, and the West is putting so much weaponry in there. Now they have low risk nuclear arms they're gonna give them.
• 25:13
  Russia is never gonna lose this war.
• 25:16
  Seth Holehouse: Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver.
• 25:31
  Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.
• 25:48
  So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No, it's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means.
• 26:02
  Now, let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today.
• 26:29
  What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200, one ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals.
• 26:50
  It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the 1930s, we're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome.
• 27:30
  It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than Doctor. Kirk Elly. He's a very good friend of mine.
• 27:42
  He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies. So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth advisor that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: So what would The United States do if Russia would put in Mexico? They they wouldn't allow that. They wouldn't come up with the same thing. Mexico is allowed to do whatever they want. So they're really pushing it, and the West is putting so much weaponry in there.
• 28:37
  Now they have low risk nuclear arms they're gonna give them. Russia is never gonna lose this war. They have to understand that they cannot lose this war because they don't want the West to be close to their border. It's irresponsible. Now, there is what's called the Monroe Doctrine.
• 28:55
  I don't know if you know about it. It's about thirty, forty years old. That means we're against Russia, and we're going to defeat Russia. Russia is not the problem. Russia wanted to be part of of Europe.
• 29:07
  China is the problem. They've set up for many years. And if the Americans say, you know, we're gonna defend Taiwan, what, you're gonna bring the whole fleet to Taiwan in a day in time? And what if on the back, you know, Iran is going to attack you, Korea is going to attack you. I don't know who's really did this place.
• 29:24
  I don't know who's in charge. And there's nobody to talk to. You don't hear another voice. You have the same thing with the climate. There are cycles in the climate, global warming and not global warming.
• 29:37
  Well, maybe you should look into cycles. I'm not saying anything because you get canceled if this is something that people don't like. But I have a lot to say about the climate and nobody does his work. There have been three, four studies and 100 studies against it, but people are afraid to speak up. So, you know, the farmers in Holland and wherever are getting killed because we have to do the climate.
• 29:59
  And I don't see any effects. You know, it's just, I can talk about let's look at the cycles, maybe it's a normal behavior. Nobody looks a little bit further, like in the financial markets, like in politics and wars. And I'm very worried about what's going on, very worried when the brink of a big catastrophe. And what you say is, I don't know why nobody is worried about it.
• 30:24
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. Exactly. And so I know that what's this so we mentioned earlier talking about the cycles of wars and looking at what happens. And so with in the same way that you can look at the the Dow or you can look at the interest rates and you can see that based upon the cycles, it shows you what what comes and it's historically proven to be very true and accurate. What are you seeing in terms of war?
• 30:52
  What are you seeing in terms of the next couple of years with I mean, do you think that Russia, Ukraine, you know, which has really turned into, you know, United States and NATO versus in many ways China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc. It's, it's a much bigger thing that's unfolding. Do you see it continuing and getting worse and worse until there's a real world
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: cycles are accelerating and the most of the thing I heard, I think Biden say or somebody else as well, we're dealing with a nuclear Korea, it's under control. We do the same thing with Iran. The difference is Koreans don't want to die. Iranians don't want to be martyrs. They don't mind dying.
• 31:37
  There is no historical understanding in The United States like it is in Europe. So I don't know what they're thinking. I just don't think that the West doesn't have much chance if they cooperate these countries that we talk about, because we are a bit spoiled. Right? There's this movie, I think it was Annie Hall, maybe remember from Woody Allen.
• 32:02
  And Woody Allen went to a movie with with Keaton and like Woody Allen always liked to see a movie about Nazis. And they came out of the theater and she says, I wonder what I would do under stress if the Nazis caught me. And then he says, you, you want to give up on it, take away your credit card. I don't if you remember that said, So this generation, you know, has no clue. I'm born in Amsterdam just after the second world war.
• 32:34
  It was very tough. There was nothing there. Everyone was bombarded, no housing, no nothing. And I know how to survive. But the children and grandchildren of my friends, you take away the credit card, they give up.
• 32:47
  So the West can never compete with all these countries. We'll be coming too weak. So I don't know if anybody's paying attention. Keep a bit low key. Don't try to expand West more.
• 33:00
  You know, we have enough. Don't we have enough allies? We have to get to Ukraine also. What else do you want? But I'm not in charge.
• 33:09
  Thank God I'm not in charge.
• 33:11
  Seth Holehouse: And so I know that in the discussion I've had with you in the past and some other interviews you've done, you talked about how what your research and data are showing is that there will be a pretty significant die off of people in the world. I think that, you know, roughly one third or thirty five percent over a certain period of time. So can you touch on that and just, you know, explain where your data is at on that right now?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: So let me explain to you. Now we're not talking about cycles, we're talking about momentum. Right? So we talked about IBN goes up $30 goes down $10 goes up $50 goes down. And in the end, you know where the top is.
• 33:51
  So if you take all the wars, and let's say you make a chart of financial markets on the bottom, have the dates on the left, you have the unit price, then you can calculate how high the price goes. So it's very insensitive to say that but if you change the price into the amount of people, you know where you're going to get. Now it's interesting. I am it was interesting when I said that also in your program, I got support from the Christian view. It seems to be the Christian view that before the Maasai comes back, like they say, one third of the people are going to die.
• 34:26
  So while it's interesting, you know, that's not what I base it on. So we know that every war has more casualties. And so there is a way of knowing how high FBM goes and how high the casualties going to be. So that my regret is going to be a very high number.
• 34:42
  Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
• 35:02
  This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
• 35:35
  So there's really two things I would recommend. One is having heirloom seeds that you can grow your own food with, making sure that they're non GMO heirloom seeds that that way you can harvest your seeds this year, use them next year. You can use these seeds for generations. Literally, it's how it will work. The other thing though is this high quality storable food.
• 35:55
  This is food that's sitting somewhere, it's hidden in your basement, buried in your backyard, whatever it ever it is. So that way if there is a crisis, if there is an emergency, you might have three months set aside to get through that time period. And so for this, I would highly recommend a company called Heaven's Harvest. This is an amazing Christian owned patriot company. And what they're doing is they're making high quality storable food.
• 36:19
  Again, lot of the food companies, they say these food buckets, they're all about maximizing calories per dollar. They're filling the buckets with a bunch of filler and junk like sweet beverages, etc. But Heaven's Harvest, they focus on very high quality food that will last up to twenty five years on the shelf. They also sell heirloom seeds. You can buy all of your seed, you can buy all of your restorable food.
• 36:42
  And look folks, personally, I would recommend having at least three months per person in your household, if not six months or even a year. Again, depends on your budget, but I'll definitely make sure you have some seeds because that seed those seeds could be worth their weight in gold, if not more in the future. So to go ahead and do this right now, go up a new tab and go to heavensharvest.com. And if you use the promo code Seth, that's s e t h, promo code Seth, you'll save 15% off of your entire order. So again, folks, the time is running out and you'd rather be three months or one year early than one day late.
• 37:19
  Again, heavensharvest.com and use promo code Seth to save 15% today. What timeline are you seeing with that? I mean, is this something over the next five years or ten years or you have any idea with what the timeline is looking like?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I would like people still to sleep after they listen to what we say. But you can write down that 2027 is the major situation. And I tell you why 2027 is the major situation. The cycles that led to the crisis and the crash of nineteen twenty nine for the first time looked exactly the same in 2027. Now, I don't know what's going to lead to the next question.
• 38:07
  Could be a war. So if you ask me when, there's a real possibility that that's when it happens.
• 38:14
  Seth Holehouse: I see. So basically, you're seeing overall is that there's we reached a peak, right, you know, with stock market and other, you know, kind of related items, And that we're kind of, we're seeing a drop now, it's gonna continue dropping. Nothing too extreme though, but then as you get closer to 2027, that's when a lot of you know, these, whether it's the financial markets, the wars, population, etc, that's when you're seeing significant changes, significant downside for all those indicators, right?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it could also be the end result, like they say wars are the end result of a change in society. So it could be the end result of something that happens already. We'll talk before '27, I'm sure. So I don't say it's going to hold up till '27. As you say, by '27, the whole thing is going to be a terrible situation.
• 39:12
  Seth Holehouse: I see, I see. Okay, okay. And where do you think, I mean, looking at America, the center of this, and you mentioned the children without their credit cards, and if you look at the American, just the average American person now versus our grandparents or great pink grandparents, you know, in the Great Depression, they were survivors. They knew how to can their food, they knew how to live off their land. You know, now, you know, you see these videos of people looting the cities and and and, you know, Philadelphia, or you see people that are so obsessed with gender ideology and everything that it's like if a war comes, our the minds of the average person in America, it seems couldn't be further away from the mindset of how to survive and strengthen your family and whatnot.
• 40:00
  So amidst these these global changes, how do you see America faring?
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Well, my wife says don't mention it again. She's right here in the kitchen, so she will kill me. I'll just mention it one more time because I think it's important. History repeats itself. And what I've been saying for the last couple of years, when Rome was burning, she still lets me talk, when Rome was burning, the senators sat for months discussing if angels were masculine or feminine.
• 40:28
  Doesn't it sound familiar what's going on now? Same thing. If you look what brought Rome down, you make a list, this is exactly what brings it down now. I just saw something which is interesting. I don't repeat it exactly.
• 40:42
  Might forget. It says like when it came against the Muslims, I said it's not in my business. I'm not a Muslim. When it came against the Jews, I'm not a Jew, it's not my business. When it came against the homosexual, none of my business, I don't support them.
• 40:58
  Now they come against me, there's nobody to help me anymore.
• 41:02
  Seth Holehouse: I've seen that
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: as Yeah. Yeah. Very, very clever. And but I find it amazing. I mean, is it that, you know, the Marxists that want us to introduce Marxism seemed so convinced that Marx made a mistake and then that's gonna make a mistake.
• 41:21
  But it has to be catastrophe all over the world. By the way, is it an outside influence? How does this group suddenly gets there? And what the trick is, if I may say the trick and again, I'm Dutch, so I don't vote. So don't be angry at me.
• 41:36
  Don't send me emails. Under disguise if I'm doing something good. So you can say there's something good. I'm pro G, TBC, whatever it is. A six year old, I say now it can be a girl or boy.
• 41:48
  I'm only meaning well. So under the cab or cover of doing well, they do the worst things. And the problem is how do you deal with people that they say, look, I'm only doing well. If you're doing something bad, you can tell them what this is, I'm doing something well. So it's a very interesting, listened to Professor Peterson.
• 42:09
  I don't know if you know Professor Peterson's. He said he made an analysis. And again, I don't send me angry emails. Just say what people say and I find it interesting. He says, what's the difference between the left and the right?
• 42:22
  So he says, psychologically, they're different. And that's why the left has less patience for verbal expressions. So that's why the left always comes with one slogan. We want this, we want that, we want that. Don't ask me why I want this, which doesn't work with the right.
• 42:41
  So the very interesting analysis of what's going on right now, the situation is everybody's so afraid to be canceled. No, we're hopeless. Exactly.
• 42:53
  Seth Holehouse: And when when free when free speech is attacked in the way that it is, it's it's you're, you know, it's the end of the empire at that stage. It's that's it's that serious because you're what you can say also dictates what you can think. And if they can control your speech for long enough, they can control what you think. And then they've gained control over how your mind even works. Then it's over.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: If I may say to everybody reads George Orwell, in 1980, he predicted everything. So if we take away statues, we don't remember the history. So the next generation can tell you anything they want, because you don't know what's true, what's not true. So this is how you cancel a culture now by society is interesting, you know, that every society they survive for two fifty years. So being Dutch proud, we ruled the world once two fifty years, then came the Spanish and the Portuguese, then came the English two fifty years.
• 43:52
  Now if you go back to the civil war, two fifty years are over. It's just interesting. Don't know what's going happen. It's just interesting to collect all this data that every society is breaking down after two fifty years.
• 44:06
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot, a lot, a lot going on. And, you know, people will say, what can we do? Because people come to me and says, listen, it's a cycle, so you can't do anything. So I says, let's say you have a cycle, there's a summer, there's a winter, there's a summer, there's a winter, you're right. But if you know the cycle, you can buy a winter coat.
• 44:25
  So whatever people can do for themselves, I mean, we're not going to stop this because it's based on cycles. It's just interesting to see how it develops. Because you see, there was a German writer called Goethe, and he wrote in German, which means in English, you see what you know. And he meant that if we talk, walk together to a garden, and you know a lot about flowers, you see those flowers. If I have no clue, I don't see those flowers.
• 44:55
  So once we know what we're looking for, interesting to see how it develops because you see much more. And the same thing in financial markets, if you know what's going to happen, it's interesting to listen to so called experts, how they're going to explain later, which you knew already in advance. So if I just may say, and I really don't have a good business, you can sign up thirty days for free on our website and just see how we do it. It's for free thirty days. You don't have to subscribe later.
• 45:25
  Just see what the possibilities are. On one side, you have the big firms. On the other side, you have the so called experts on television that you're following, and it usually doesn't go well and see where the discrepancy is. Just take a look what is possible in financial markets instead of listening to stories why this goes up, why this goes down, you know, doesn't make sense. Especially now when times are so critical, just take a look thirty days, not going to cost you anything.
• 45:57
  You don't have to continue. Just have an idea. And then you see much more like you see the flowers. Now you see no to flowers or you see the flowers.
• 46:06
  Seth Holehouse: Which is, and I think this is important. And it's interesting because I never set out to be covering financial news. But the more I've learned through, especially through doing this process of speaking to so many really intelligent people like yourself is that it's all connected. And if you understand what's happening with war, it's tied to the economics and economics is tied to food and food is tied to population and population is tied to, know, geopolitics and policy. It's all, it's all together.
• 46:33
  So I'll,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Well, know, for instance, if the crude price goes up, crude goes up, the Russians have much more money to have a war than if the crude goes down.
• 46:46
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: As an example.
• 46:47
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So it's all connected. Yeah.
• 46:50
  Seth Holehouse: It is. So your website is just charlesninner.com. Put that into description. So that's the best place for people to follow what you do and to get the free trial to see exactly how what you're thinking in your approach applies to the stock market, you know, in any other a lot of other financial vehicles. Is that right?
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, and we also have the track records. Again, I'm not selling anything just in case you don't believe it. Look at the track record every year every month with the track record. You've never seen something like that. So it seems to work.
• 47:23
  Seth Holehouse: Great, great. Well, Doctor. Niner, thank you so much for sitting down with us today. It's, I feel so lucky to be able to sit down with people like you and just ask these questions because it's so far outside of my realm of understanding, but it's really, I think it's just it's an important topic for us to understand and I just I thank you for taking the time to educate us.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: You're welcome. And I hope people can still sleep after they listen to us because you know, times are dangerous.
• 47:49
  Seth Holehouse: I agree. Agree. Well, take care. It's been nice to have you on. Thank you.