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  Hey, hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian
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  Reef podcast. Today's guest goes by the name,
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  spacious. And that's right.
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  Spacious spacious spacious, he is a Russian YouTuber who
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  creates content for horror games Funny Moments, compilations,
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  reactions Vlogs. And he also creates his own
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  music as well. So there's a lot to delve into.
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  But yeah, he's my first ever Russian guest.
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  Which for me is pretty awesome. So but if you had got the lat Oh
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  hey, it's okay. Is going right?
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  How are you? Very good.
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  Very good man. It's pleasure to have you on the
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  show and that there was different ways.
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  I wanted to approach this because, you know, when I was
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  looking through the research and I was looking at your channel,
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  you know, one of the things that I noticed straight away was that
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  your location is the United States and as I know, you're
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  actually in Russia, but another one of my guests that had on the
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  show. Was from South Africa and he did
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  a similar thing in order to Target that American audience.
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  So obviously there's a strategy behind it, but I found this
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  interesting because, you know, Russia is a huge market and just
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  you know, even if you would go down that route just of making a
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  Russian only speaking channel that you you probably still do
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  very well. Anyway, so those I guess there's
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  kind of like for me. Immediate question marks with
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  regards to that At but I guess what I wanted to talk about just
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  right off the bat is like, why do you choose to post content in
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  English and not Russian as well like save for a second Channel
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  or something? Yeah so I have like a little
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  little teaser here that I'm going to create a Russian
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  Channel actually reflect with stealthy little bit about this.
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  So it's like all my friends that saw me talking in English and
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  doing the content in English. They said Take a breath in
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  Russia. There are no such content and no
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  such energy in Russian YouTube because it's really little of a
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  horror game YouTubers and like, only, Let's Plays and blogs kind
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  of stuff on Russian market. So it's kind of will be easy to
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  go on Russian YouTube and just bang it, but at the same time,
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  so kinky kinky and yeah. Yeah.
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  At the same time, I started like my first ever YouTube channel.
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  As a Russian, let's player and I played horror games and like
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  funny games and funny moments. The same thing when I was like
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  13, and it was like, 8 to 9 years ago, right?
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  So, I started whole game like for nine years now and it was
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  like, I was not that good to be on YouTube as I analyze post,
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  analyzed it and in retrospective it was like, it was trash for
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  me. So I dropped it for a couple
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  years and then I thought that no English like Let's be honest.
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  Like so much better than all the Russians.
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  Like there are no Russians like around me, I'm like telling only
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  the people I'm talking to that know, English that much that
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  they can just speak with German guys in English speaker and the
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  audience in English. So it's like I thought the Vlogs
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  and the horror games with the my Russian reaction in English will
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  be interested in finding to see because it's like Unique Style.
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  I get I get what you mean. I do think it's quite surprising
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  actually that you say that there isn't Russian YouTubers kind of
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  doing this right now because like I know a fair bit about
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  Russian culture, I've lived in Europe, I've had a lot of
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  Russian friends. So I've seen a lot of like I
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  guess Russian media and music and such and there's a lot of
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  energy and that so really surprises me that there isn't
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  like a bigger sort of seen in Russia, as far as YouTube is
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  concerned. I mean, I often from like an
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  objective kind of Outsiders looking in kind of perspective.
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  I've always seen like a lot of similarities between like Russia
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  and America. Like if you take say Russian rap
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  as an example, you know, like even the way people look, the
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  way they hold themselves is very similar to American style and
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  the way people close themselves and it makes sense, you know,
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  it's the proliferation of American Media around the world
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  And it just kind of gets everywhere.
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  But like with that being said, Russian culture is very strong
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  in of itself. So, like I'm surprised there
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  isn't more of a scene because one of the questions I had to
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  you was actually about you know, so talking about the Russians
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  YouTube scene and I guess who like the most successful Russian
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  YouTubers, like who the big names in Russia at the moment I
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  think you know, the music band Little Big It brings like I'll
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  to Native Electronic Pop stuff. Okay, okay.
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  So they're like banging like my friends from America from
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  Europe. They stay like little big is bad
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  hanging bro. It's interesting because all
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  YouTubers like stand-up comedians, they doing sketches
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  they burn some some content so they started like Small
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  YouTubers, they grouped with each other and then just started
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  making music making videos and they just like, they just like a
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  big gang in YouTube seeing so emotion, right?
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  So there's not really like Soul YouTubers in Russia.
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  It's more. Like, as you say like groups or
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  I don't know how to put it like yeah, groups opposes the best
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  word and so it's like a franchise so to speak kind of
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  thing. Yeah.
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  It's like they're all made franchise but Same time, there
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  are couple of like Minecraft, lets players like correlates
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  players and Russian that makes the contents in Solo.
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  But it's I think it's not like this wide, not this like a big
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  appreciation from the media outside the internet because
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  these guys who I was talking about there were like big on TV
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  big on. Like they're going to e revision
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  from our country. I think I know the people that
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  you're on about because I remember because I basically,
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  I'll Explain, I lived in Estonia for a few years and there's like
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  a lot of Russian TV programming that showed there and I remember
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  seeing I can't remember the name but it was like a comedy show
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  live show as a group of comedians, I didn't understand a
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  word but they had good energy. It look like it was funny, but
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  it was always the same faces. It was like three to five guys
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  and they would and women as well, I think as well.
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  Yeah. And they would do like different
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  characters, sketches and such. And from what I was told, that's
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  like, very popular and I guess esteemed in Russia like it's
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  considered in high regard, so that's cool.
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  But yeah, I kind of, I mean, you haven't come out and said it,
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  but like, I kind of agree with you that it doesn't kind of,
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  it's not really, like having a proper YouTube channel.
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  I didn't limit, like, when I see, I don't know, like, Jimmy
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  Kimmel or some shit like that, like, If anything I think that's
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  a bit exploitative. It's like look you already make
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  money from its Eerie like stop coming here and stealing our
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  stuff. Like, don't go to our place,
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  Just Do Your Own Thing. Like internet is our place go
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  out and the worst thing about YouTube as well is that like
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  they push those those people as well.
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  They don't push people like you and me who are actually trying
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  to grow something from the ground up with no support.
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  They just push the people that have all of the support.
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  What's the, what does the point? But anyway, I digress.
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  Before we get onto like, you know, your Inspirations in terms
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  of like Western YouTubers. Is there anyone that you look up
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  to in the Russians seem like anyone that I don't know.
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  Maybe when you started out with YouTube, when you were doing
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  your Russian only videos that you would like, yeah, this is
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  the person I want to be like, or this.
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  I like the way this person creates videos, Etc.
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  Yeah, when I started YouTube, I was beforehand watching.
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  The whole night through videos of useless mouth, the user guy.
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  So he is like completely Russian.
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  He makes concert in Russia but you feel the energy that he took
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  from like PewDiePie because he he played like Happy Wheels
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  before PewDiePie. He said it like whites and I
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  mean black and white like he played before.
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  PewDiePie the fat people's shit. And yeah he is he was a really
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  big inspiration for me. So I thought if he can do it
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  like from a small town around Moscow, why can't I do it?
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  When I was I thought I was like just a little kid like thirteen
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  year old but nobody like got seriously my content.
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  It was like just another pose earliest, just another copy of
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  useless mouth or something like that as my, some of my friends
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  said, like you're copying Too Much from the useless mouth, I
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  think it's. Yeah, going gone.
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  And he got like gang like Khalil Gaelic with his friends, just
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  small Russian like lets players who he played with and actually
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  I met one in person and who we were like chatting and such but
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  it's not like collaborations and stuff and they're like, quite a
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  funny. Guys.
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  They're just, they give you like this Vibe of what's.
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  What's interesting to people to see on you?
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  So that was a big, big impression. and, Yeah, I gotta
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  go. I get what you're saying with
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  that, like I agree with your point about.
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  Like I think it's sensible, you took a break because I did the
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  same thing. I actually started my YouTube at
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  the end of 2013 and early 2014 and I still stand by the music
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  like if you go on my channel and you go right back to the
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  beginning, you can find the music that I created then and I
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  stand by it. But you know I again I made
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  cringe videos as well. I was just copying what everyone
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  else was doing. I think I was a bit Too harsh on
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  myself but you know low self-esteem blah blah blah blah
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  blah. You know you grow up, you become
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  older and wiser. But yeah, I do kind of think I
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  got I wish I'd started it sooner but I do think that like you
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  have to approach it when you have like a game plan when
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  you've got like, okay, this is what I'm going to do and will
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  grow from here. Because like, last year, I
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  started doing acting for the first time early last year and
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  You know, I posted a couple of videos on YouTube, like here's a
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  short film, here's the thing I did and then it got a bit of use
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  got some interest and I was like, hmm, what if I would try
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  this and then it kind of evolved from there.
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  And then eventually it's like, okay we're going to do this.
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  Let's let's pursue this kind of thing, people like it.
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  Yeah but it it takes time to kind of get to that point where
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  like, okay I'm going to make a schedule.
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  I'm going to make this kind of content.
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  I'm going to avoid this I'm you know but like that initial
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  Having that plan and having that confidence as well, like to
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  actually pursue it because they're not a lot of people
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  understand, especially people that don't do you too.
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  But I don't understand what goes into it.
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  And you know, I think for most for most of us like we are our
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  own worst critic. You know, I can think of times
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  when I've started doing like, a, let's play series, like I got 10
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  episodes in and I just canceled it and delete it all.
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  I like so much work went into that.
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  I was like, no, it's trash. No one would watch it.
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  And I think that's the key. It's like you got to always be
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  trying to beat your own standards and such but but yeah.
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  Anyway, moving on. Are there any?
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  Of course there are but like who are your main Inspirations that
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  Inspirations in terms of like Western YouTubers and such?
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  Who are the big ones that you know you are aspiring to be like
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  Yeah, the the first one actually that they started watching not
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  Russian content was the PewDiePie president, of course.
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  So the theme of one man, doing the whole job like playing games
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  and gaining like money, popularity of this.
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  That's what a catch me. It's like, bro, I can all the
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  time. My parents were, like, why are
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  you always playing games? You nothing will get The with
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  this. And I'm just like bra, look at
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  this man, he's lines, making money, immense making big money,
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  and yeah. So it's like it was beauty pie
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  was Markiplier and to be honest, I was quite mad because I
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  started before Markiplier, my first channel.
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  Hmm, and started to play horror games.
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  It was like a little bit Downer that, like, grown man can do
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  better than a little kid. But whatever, like I moved on
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  from this and actually there was I think a little bit of
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  Syndicate like Syndicate. Tom Cassell from England.
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  Hmm. Yeah, he is like zombie videos
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  and then wargs. Especially for the vlogging with
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  his phone, just inspired me to take my phone with me and just
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  do vlogs too, because it's interesting to see, like,
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  Russian Russian life within. It's like, not going into Russia
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  because everybody, especially my, I'm getting off the topic a
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  little bit. Nobody sorry.
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  One of my subscribers said that I generally thought that you
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  have a bear pet. I'm like, yeah, like I'm Russian
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  I can, I generally have to get like, a bear pet, and I told her
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  that, I saw Pat, I saw a bare, like, twice in my life.
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  It was in zoo. Yeah.
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  And that's crazy. Because really some people think
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  that we have, like, Bears on the street, we drink what I like
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  with our family and d and we play balalaika just doing in to
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  attain ourselves. Yeah, that's crazy.
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  So, I thought that it would be, it will be interesting to to get
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  my subscribers into Russian life.
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  Like I'm just a, just a basic boy living in Russia, I'm not
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  moving anywhere. I'm like not going to Bali look
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  at my big blog so it's like a little bit of traveling through
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  the Russians getting through all the way, extended stuff for me,
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  but it's interesting to people looking and watching my videos
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  because when I thought, when I When I showed how Russian trains
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  work. Hmm.
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  All the subscribers were like why is that like Russia Trace?
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  Are you traveling with that? And I'm like yeah there's just a
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  regular day. Yeah so yeah I thought I don't
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  know about like other inspirational YouTubers like
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  Western ones. Cuz I watch sometimes sidemen
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  from England and Game Grumps. Yeah, Game Grumps Game, Grumps
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  were like a little bit of my style and just watching it
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  casually playing games and just commenting weird stuff.
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  So yeah, I'm not like into big amount of YouTubers.
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  Okay. But I went on watching this,
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  it's like, it's my content for days.
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  It's like, I'm not, I'm not clicking off and I'm not.
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  I'm unsubscribing from these people, that's fair enough.
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  What is your kind of overall opinion of just different
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  YouTube scenes around the world? You know?
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  Because I know for me, I'm a big fan of like UK scene, not
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  really, because I'm from the UK just that I think.
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  That we have better content creators in terms of just over
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  all the sort of content that's being created versus when I look
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  at people in like America there are a few people here and there
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  they're interesting. But like there's a lot that I
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  don't personally like and I am generalizing here but like for
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  me it's always been like the best ones are in like the UK or
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  would like dotted around Europe and such but I'm always looking
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  for like stuff that's very The unique, you know, for instance,
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  just before we started, I was checking out this video, by a
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  guy called fingers, name is doing with us.
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  David us. He's a guitarist and he just has
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  like some very interesting ways that he recorded his video.
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  Like I, you know, I probably am subscribe like a million
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  different musician, you know. But like him in particular he
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  has like you know interesting camera angles like he does a
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  thing where if he's playing live he has like a I guess it's like
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  GoPro attached to the top of the guitar and it's just a weird
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  thing, I don't know it's different and like that's the
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  kind of the big thing with YouTube isn't it is trying to be
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  different and trying to do something that not everyone else
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  is doing. So yeah like do you have any
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  favorite like I suppose regions of the world or scenes so to
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  speak. Yeah, I thought about like Astro
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  Liam Australian boys. Oh, it's like Mike's mofo cold
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  ones. I really love cold ones.
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  That's why I really want to get into one of podcasts.
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  Yeah, I'm really thankful that I'm here.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah.
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  I mean yeah. I thought about like yeah.
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  Oh I was just you just going to say that like I think podcasting
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  has just become like a Staple of YouTube in general now.
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  But I will say this, though, Given that it's like very
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  oversaturated. I think you do have to kind of
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  come at it with something unique or something a little bit
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  different, because one of the major concerns I had starting a
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  podcast is like, well there's so many now like who the fuck is
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  going to watch this, who cares? And that was one of the reasons
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  I decided to do like interviews and like a mixture of interviews
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  and then me going at length on topics as well.
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  And it is very much a work in progress.
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  I mean, it's early days still, but Is something to be
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  considered. Because there are so many where
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  it's just people sitting down and discussing a topic which is
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  fine. I mean, I think it largely
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  depends on the people that are there and I know these sound
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  like all really obvious points to but to anyone who doesn't do
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  this, like, I think when you start watching like, loads of
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  these, you start noticing like, patterns or like, for me,
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  sometimes I noticed A bit of laziness in certain podcast.
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  I'm not going to name any names, but like there are some that I
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  subscribe to because of the people involved, and then I
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  watch it. And I'm like, actually, this is
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  a bad podcast and it's disappointing, because it's like
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  these people are like great content creators normally.
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  But then when they do a podcast, it's bad.
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  And that's the funny thing is, it's like a podcast is its own
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  entity. The fact that all people on
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  YouTube are doing it is just kind of, besides the point.
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  I think, I think you have to Come in with a basic plan and
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  like see how it evolves and you have to stick with it as well.
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  Like, you can't just kind of give up straight away.
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  You've got to try a lot of different things, but, you know,
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  if it is something that you genuinely want to want to do,
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  I'd recommend. Yeah, just having that initial
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  kind of concrete plan of like, okay, I want to chase this thing
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  and we'll see where it goes from there.
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  Yeah. But you're growing deadly.
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  I saw your first podcasts and like the recent one, like we
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  video before me video podcast. That was, that was Grove, dude.
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  So thank you, everyone. I really enjoyed like last
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  video. I've been enjoying it.
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  Yeah, it's looking about effort, talking about scenes.
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  I thought about like English seen, like as you said like in
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  England, but I still like stuck on.
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  Sideman and Simon friends but I guess it's like it's not that
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  much. And also I really love the
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  videography scene like this McKinnon Casey neistat because I
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  really love the juice in the video because in my spare time,
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  I work as a videographer. So I like shoot this crazy
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  videos for some events for weddings for like, Proms and
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  cetera. So He taught Myself by this
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  video, so I learned a lot from these boys.
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  So it was like quite quite quite a lesson for me from just
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  watching beautiful videos for these guys.
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  And yeah, I don't know about the American because American scene
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  is like, such a big wide difference, right?
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  Even like with the regions and vloggers and lets players, but I
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  think I'll stop on England and Australia, Australia.
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  Yeah yeah. I mean again like I said it is
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  difficult to generalize because there are many you know, like I
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  like I said like I'm not fond of the American scene but I can
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  think of plenty of American YouTubers that I adore and love
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  and have subscribed to you for many years.
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  I just think I guess more. I mean is is like what's popular
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  generally speaking? Like okay for instance like to
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  take someone like Logan pool, like I respect what he's done
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  but I wouldn't personally like, watch that kind of content.
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  And I realize it's not for my demographic.
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  Obviously I get that. I'm just saying that.
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  Like it's if you pin if you take him as an example, there's
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  probably like ten thousand different YouTubers, doing the
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  same thing as him. And I, that's what I mean, about
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  the kind of over saturation stuff, like when I take my own
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  channel, you know, I'm not doing anything particularly
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  groundbreaking or anything, but like, I realized that it's very
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  niche in some way. So growth take longer because
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  people have to kind of Like me, like what I'm doing?
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  You know, he's down, right? Yeah.
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  I mean it would be very easy to just throw out videos to get
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  views but then it wouldn't be like the type of content that I
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  want to make. It wouldn't be real because
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  cetera and I think that's something that people have to
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  think about because it's all well and good trying to get the
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  views in the beginning and throwing everything, you know,
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  the expression throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks
• 23:36
  I get that but the same time there will be a point.
• 23:39
  It's like okay I got the audience now.
• 23:41
  I've got the views now. What and the tricky thing is, if
• 23:45
  you build up an audience slowly It's much better because they
• 23:49
  grow with you. They kind of indicate what they
• 23:52
  want, they're going to stick around.
• 23:53
  Whereas if you just get people randomly like okay, I did a
• 23:56
  couple of videos. They bang I get like 10K Subs,
• 24:00
  20K sobs, you've then got a like frantically, try and keep them.
• 24:05
  And it's like, they won't necessarily want to stay because
• 24:08
  you know, you'll be trying different things.
• 24:10
  You be like, okay I'll put a vlog out and then no one cares.
• 24:13
  And it's like, ah, Okay, I don't know.
• 24:17
  That's just my view on it. I think it depends on your
• 24:20
  strategy, I guess a lot of people don't care about that as
• 24:23
  well, but it's like, when I started YouTube, like when I was
• 24:30
  like a grown-ass adult, as we say like in 19 years I thought,
• 24:37
  like I can do challenges, I can do like Tick-Tock dances and
• 24:42
  like compilations of funny moments from different kind of
• 24:45
  Players and just stick it in my video.
• 24:48
  I get like a bright infringement, but at the same
• 24:50
  time, I don't enjoy that ad. I just, I will hate myself when
• 24:54
  I get it, like views when I get money when I get, like people
• 24:58
  who wants more of this content. But at the same time, I think
• 25:02
  that later in the evening, like after my nine-to-five job, I
• 25:08
  will go to work and try to do a video that I hate.
• 25:12
  If you do that, I don't really enjoy making.
• 25:15
  Like getting the material, edit it like post-production it.
• 25:18
  I hate it. Why why am I bothering?
• 25:21
  So I thought like I will do what I love to do.
• 25:24
  Like, I like to play games. I like to shoot videos and then
• 25:28
  sometime soon or later I will get the people who enjoy that
• 25:33
  too. So any time in my life when I do
• 25:37
  anything like that, like this kind of videos, they will stick
• 25:40
  around and I will enjoy this as much as I did like in when I was
• 25:44
  19. So I thought like it's a long
• 25:47
  way to go. And this won't happen like like
• 25:51
  this. There will no, no, like money or
• 25:56
  just big frame but it's like a steady long road that you take
• 26:01
  it now. Yeah.
• 26:03
  I think the same way that you do, you know, I thought about
• 26:06
  this in the beginning as well because there was that moment of
• 26:09
  like should I do what's popular or should I do what I like?
• 26:12
  And it's like I tried a few things here and there.
• 26:14
  There. But like I had the same problem
• 26:17
  that you had. Like, I do like I don't know,
• 26:20
  reaction video and it would take ages to edit and I'll be like
• 26:24
  and the video wouldn't do particularly well.
• 26:26
  I think that's all right but it's like yeah, I don't enjoy
• 26:30
  doing this. I want me doing this.
• 26:32
  Okay. So don't do it, then I'm like,
• 26:34
  oh but I want to, I want to grow our.
• 26:36
  Yeah. But like what's the point?
• 26:37
  If you don't enjoy it, Okay, all right.
• 26:40
  Fine and as you say it's a disease, a decision.
• 26:44
  It's like, okay, we're going to do this the long way.
• 26:46
  We're going to do it the hard way but in the end it will be
• 26:49
  worth it. Yeah.
• 26:51
  Yeah, this let's continue the theme of YouTube.
• 26:57
  Tell me why you decided to become a YouTuber.
• 27:00
  Like obviously, we know a little bit about what inspired you and
• 27:04
  we are obviously understand now that, you know, it's, it's part
• 27:07
  of what you do in your daily life and so, Such with
• 27:09
  videography. But what were the initial
• 27:11
  reasons why you decided to become a YouTuber?
• 27:16
  I think it's like I started with my love to making videos like
• 27:22
  any kind of videos when I was like one or two years old my dad
• 27:28
  always liked shoot like a little family videos with VSR.
• 27:32
  I was like a chess we see are like this kind that little
• 27:36
  camera that records on cassette so I watch like he he is doing
• 27:43
  videos of me. Me like me, I'm looking at
• 27:47
  myself like Year back. Five years back like now it's
• 27:51
  like 20 years back. Yeah and it was like so
• 27:54
  astonishingly exciting for me just you can just take your like
• 28:01
  little camera and shoot your your vision of the world like
• 28:05
  you see with your two eyes like only, you can see with them, but
• 28:09
  you can show people how you see all the pictures.
• 28:13
  And then I started like playing video games, who it happened to
• 28:17
  me early again because of my dad.
• 28:20
  He like bought me a computer when I was four I guess I
• 28:25
  started with all the gaming stuff so I thought, like I
• 28:28
  really liked videos, I really like video games.
• 28:31
  I will not stop like playing when I get like 16.
• 28:34
  I will just go and drink. I'll just go and party.
• 28:37
  No, I just I still enjoyed like sitting in my, in my bedroom
• 28:41
  playing horror games and playing Just Casual games and it's like
• 28:45
  no going anywhere. So I thought like I can do my
• 28:51
  biggest Hobbies like, I can connect them and maybe you took
• 28:55
  William a chance like to make this my job.
• 28:58
  It's like it's a dream of every fucking kid to play games and
• 29:03
  game money. Especially when like, open
• 29:07
  parents told you like, it's not getting you anywhere.
• 29:11
  Why you playing games? You like, spend your time?
• 29:13
  Life on this waste. So I thought, like I can't get
• 29:17
  it high in and ask a personal question.
• 29:19
  Like what's the age difference between you and your page?
• 29:23
  So you're like early 20s, right? Or early to mid-twenties
• 29:25
  something like that, right? Yeah.
• 29:27
  I'm 22, right? So your parents so in the 50s or
• 29:31
  40s. Yeah.
• 29:32
  Forties fifties, right? Yeah.
• 29:34
  So there's that this generational difference there as
• 29:36
  well. It's like when they were growing
• 29:38
  up. Yeah, totally different plus
• 29:40
  it's Russia as well. So like they might have If true
• 29:44
  Soviet Union as well possibly. Yeah.
• 29:47
  Right yeah. So there's all these different
• 29:49
  elements to it. So like they see you playing a
• 29:51
  game and I imagine there's probably a bit of like fuck you
• 29:53
  doing what you're not working. What do you mean you're playing
• 29:56
  games? What do you mean?
• 29:57
  You can make money with games. So you will fool.
• 29:59
  Like is there a now? It's like it's happening from
• 30:02
  time to time. I guess it will just take that
• 30:06
  day. When you come home and you just
• 30:08
  show your dad. Like, look at this fat stack of
• 30:10
  made from this and he'll be like Huh?
• 30:13
  Looking for this day like it's it will be my second birthday.
• 30:18
  Absolutely man. Absolutely well yeah yeah.
• 30:26
  So we've learned a little bit about why you started and it
• 30:29
  sounds logical to me. It was similar to me to you
• 30:33
  know, I think it largely does kind of start out with just
• 30:36
  playing around and seeing what you can do and and also just
• 30:40
  like seeing what other possibilities as well.
• 30:43
  Well, I got, I find that the more limited you are.
• 30:47
  In terms of the technology, you have, the more creative you have
• 30:50
  to be as well. Like, I can recall times, I've
• 30:53
  not had like a proper camera. So I've had to use like mobile
• 30:56
  phones and I've had till I beat, you know, like Frances I don't
• 30:59
  have like proper artificial lighting.
• 31:02
  So I had to like, be clever with like the use of like natural
• 31:06
  lighting and stuff. And yeah, I think it's good.
• 31:09
  It can only be a positive thing in terms of Developing your
• 31:15
  creativity and yeah and in terms of things like like having a
• 31:20
  career in filmmaking or videography it's like okay if we
• 31:23
  have a problem it's not the end of the world I can use different
• 31:26
  techniques and try different things.
• 31:30
  So what would you say is like your favorite type of content to
• 31:36
  create? Because as I sort of covered in
• 31:37
  the beginning, you do a lot of different types of stuff, you're
• 31:41
  always trying different things, And you create content very
• 31:45
  regularly. So what's your absolute
• 31:47
  favorite? That you just love to do.
• 31:50
  I really love to play like full big walkthroughs and it's like a
• 31:58
  relevant from irrelevant games but at the same time as you said
• 32:03
  like as you mentioned, I'm like shooting on my lap top all the
• 32:07
  every single game and I'm shooting like this video even
• 32:11
  with my little action camera and my light is like it's like table
• 32:17
  lamp. So it's always like I To be
• 32:20
  Savvy to play some games, that will be some kind of relevant.
• 32:26
  Like some kind of Markiplier will choose with his video or
• 32:29
  standing, but at the same time, I really love to play recent
• 32:33
  games are like big games. It's like, it can gain you
• 32:37
  views, like, in no time. And at the same time, you will
• 32:39
  enjoy playing, like, new game. It's like interesting for you,
• 32:43
  but I cannot really record that. So I choose horror games, like,
• 32:48
  I'm not really enjoying playing horror games like That's
• 32:50
  bullshit. What are you doing?
• 32:53
  Well, I know it's like not like I'm not enjoying this.
• 32:57
  I really love horror. I really love horror games, but
• 32:59
  sometimes it's like 50% of this games like when you get into it.
• 33:03
  Yeah. It's like it's a shitty game
• 33:06
  made by like 10 year old but you have to like, finish the game
• 33:10
  because you have like a schedule have like people who asked you
• 33:14
  to play this game. I see these indie games that
• 33:17
  people are sending in feet to you.
• 33:19
  And you're like, okay let's do it.
• 33:20
  And you get halfway any but all this is shit.
• 33:23
  Yeah it my my home like what they sent me why we're wasting
• 33:27
  my time? That's just so yeah.
• 33:31
  Like and my favorite content is log Vlogs because I mentioned I
• 33:35
  really love like pizza McKinnon and Casey neistat stuff.
• 33:38
  So I really love to make be rolls.
• 33:41
  Every love to make beautiful picture and like tell people
• 33:44
  about my day tell people about my unusual travels around the
• 33:48
  Russia. So So it's like to my favorite
• 33:52
  like type of content, I don't know.
• 33:54
  I will, I will try my best to create something more, something
• 33:58
  like try different stuff. Mmm, because now I'm like, it's
• 34:03
  like interesting period in my life that I'm moving from my
• 34:06
  parents to another city, she'll be leaving by my own.
• 34:09
  So wasted two wishes for. Is this for studies?
• 34:12
  Or is it just for work, or yeah, for my University and I'll just
• 34:16
  stay there. He's becoming bad.
• 34:20
  Yes, my became man, I'll say this much it wants you.
• 34:26
  There was as far as I'm concerned.
• 34:27
  Once you move out, you never want to go back.
• 34:31
  Yeah, sure to visit and such, but like, I moved out when I was
• 34:36
  let me see. I was 21.
• 34:37
  I'm 27 now, it's about six years on my own or living with like
• 34:43
  Partners or whatever. And I love my own space like
• 34:48
  just can't ever imagine. Imagine going back.
• 34:52
  Yeah, it's really fun. I mean, In fairness, when I
• 34:55
  left, when I was 31, I was ready.
• 34:56
  I was, I think I was ready for a good couple of years.
• 35:00
  Otherwise, I'm sorry right now and we talked like, with Stills
• 35:04
  about this, like when you have like a streamer house.
• 35:08
  Yeah. Streamer apartments or like
• 35:11
  concentrator like spaced where you live, where you create where
• 35:16
  you just can bash into one's room and do a content from this.
• 35:20
  Let's get a couple million views from just some of your friend
• 35:24
  just pooping and you can make very good Bank of you now go, I
• 35:30
  always watch it till the end. I could imagine.
• 35:32
  If you say, like, you lived with steel Z and you did a video like
• 35:36
  that, he's a very eccentric guy. So, I imagine living with him
• 35:40
  would just be just crazy, I just be something that.
• 35:44
  Yes, still, I love him. I love the man.
• 35:47
  What's me a little bit? Just on a side.
• 35:49
  Know how you No steals because for those who listen to the
• 35:53
  podcast, they'll know that we did a podcast with still Z and
• 35:58
  he's a twitch streamer is a very prominent stream and he also
• 36:01
  does a little bit of YouTube as well, but he's more focused on
• 36:03
  Twitch streaming. I know that you guys have done
• 36:07
  Twitch streaming together, but yeah, talk us through how, you
• 36:11
  know, him how you met him, what the connection is there?
• 36:15
  That's textually a really funny story, like when I started
• 36:21
  YouTube I didn't have like any friends to record with, because
• 36:25
  all the older videos in my Russian Channel.
• 36:28
  I will just playing with my friends.
• 36:29
  They didn't like, even notice that I'm making a video right
• 36:32
  now, we're just having a laugh, kind of like a little like swear
• 36:36
  her jokes and stuff. Okay.
• 36:39
  So I just added it in one compilation, so they didn't
• 36:43
  really know that I'm making videos.
• 36:44
  I'm just enjoying. Self and try my best to get my
• 36:47
  editing skills better. But now, when I started spatters
• 36:50
  Channel, it was like, really lonely because I only like,
• 36:56
  tried reactions and, or games like solo horror games, and was
• 37:02
  kind of sad, because I do care canadian-american, lets players
• 37:05
  who always play all every single game.
• 37:09
  They play with each other, mmm, ever heard of them.
• 37:13
  That was the name. Black Rhinos gaming H20
• 37:16
  Delirious if they don't have like banana crew.
• 37:19
  I think Banana Bus crew. Okay?
• 37:23
  And it's like Venice is like the biggest one.
• 37:26
  So yeah, I was watching their videos and they're like, all the
• 37:31
  videos they were making they were making together.
• 37:34
  It's like Gmod see is go GJ. It was really fun to me to look
• 37:39
  at this like that you have laughs you have like inside
• 37:42
  jokes. And the audience can take it.
• 37:46
  So I thought I need a partner. So one of the loneliest nights
• 37:50
  after recording my videos and editing it and posting it every
• 37:53
  single day I was playing golf with my friends by myself.
• 37:58
  I just bought a game and just I was going through servers to
• 38:02
  play with someone because it was like 3:00 a.m. and Russia.
• 38:05
  So I got like into weird server that was called like still see
• 38:09
  stream haha which that TV for Celeste stealthy.
• 38:13
  See, it's always like I'm gonna stream to slap this bitch.
• 38:16
  I'm gonna like just bash the door and get in the Stream and
• 38:22
  that's how we met. We started to talk who started
• 38:25
  to message each other on Twitter and we just started like why
• 38:28
  don't we have a collab? Like he was, he was streaming at
• 38:32
  the moment like before he's a little break and he was
• 38:37
  streaming. I was recording video and just
• 38:39
  I'm just mashing like highlights of the video on my channel.
• 38:43
  Of the stream. And that's how we just mad.
• 38:46
  And that's how we started to make hunting together.
• 38:48
  And we'd like enjoyed each other Vibes.
• 38:52
  Like, I'm with the German boys. They speak German.
• 38:55
  I'm just don't understand shit. It's like full gibberish for me.
• 39:02
  But still like I enjoyed it, his friends and him.
• 39:06
  It's like I really love the vibe.
• 39:09
  It's going on the sales extreme. Excellent, man, that's really
• 39:12
  cool. I mean, it's kind of the same
• 39:14
  for me to like, I've met a lot of people through doing this and
• 39:17
  people, I would consider friends as well.
• 39:19
  It's funny as well to even think about like the online friends.
• 39:23
  I mean, for me, you know, I've been yeah playing games online
• 39:27
  or my life so you know, it's not really Unheard of to have online
• 39:34
  friends, but was kind of different back in the day, back
• 39:36
  in the day, when it was just things, like Xbox 360 online,
• 39:40
  like you would have people, you regularly played with and
• 39:42
  chatted with. But I wouldn't necessarily like
• 39:45
  say they're always friends. It's just kind of like, people
• 39:48
  you play with. But as you kind of as the
• 39:51
  internet grew and things changed and things are where they're at
• 39:54
  now, is, I mean, it's if you play with people long enough,
• 40:00
  you get to know them, you collab a lot, I mean, Jesus, I've done
• 40:04
  literal podcasts with people having never met them, but we
• 40:08
  rate in regularly, did it on a regular basis and it's like,
• 40:11
  wow, this is kind of weird when you think about it because I
• 40:14
  just, I'm detached from it. I'm like, yeah, this is cool,
• 40:17
  this is cool. And then you just sit back in
• 40:18
  like this weird. This is very weird.
• 40:23
  Yeah, yeah. Like I was like in this to, with
• 40:27
  the steam friends like when you just add on Steam, like let's go
• 40:31
  play. Say around play match but we'd
• 40:34
  still be like, we're just like now planning on seeing each
• 40:38
  other going to each other's countries to excellent.
• 40:42
  Do a real-life collabs. So it's like it's a little bit
• 40:46
  different. It's really interesting for me
• 40:48
  because I never had like this kind of experience in my life.
• 40:51
  Yeah, I can't wait for that as well.
• 40:53
  When things sort of return to some resemblance of normality,
• 40:57
  it would be great to do. Real-life, co.labs, I got a lot
• 41:00
  of ideas people. I want to work with Obviously,
• 41:03
  I'd like to make this podcast, you know, actually have guests
• 41:07
  there in person, that would be great, you know, I don't mind
• 41:11
  doing it online, but it's just, I think it's, it's a different
• 41:15
  kind of experience when you are face-to-face with someone
• 41:20
  different vibe, different feeling, lots to be taken from
• 41:24
  it. It's just different.
• 41:25
  Yeah. So, just kind of, I suppose
• 41:28
  drawing it to a little bit of a close as far as like, you and
• 41:34
  YouTube is concerned because I'm going to get to social media in
• 41:37
  a second because of a couple of questions ever.
• 41:39
  The biggest question I want to ask you is like what are the
• 41:43
  biggest challenge? As you know I've got to I've got
• 41:45
  two questions here. What are your biggest challenges
• 41:49
  that you faced with YouTube so far?
• 41:51
  Because you've been doing it awhile now and obviously you
• 41:54
  know, as you said you were doing Russian any videos for a couple
• 41:57
  of years then you stop, then you took a break now, you've
• 42:00
  returned doing English, only videos and you've been doing it
• 42:04
  for some time. So talk us through what the
• 42:07
  major challenges have been and yeah, I guess what you've learnt
• 42:12
  throughout this process. The biggest challenge is for me
• 42:17
  it's like it's this dumb feeling of not gaining any where it's
• 42:24
  like every Creator. I think have this like a little
• 42:28
  crisis. It's now it's going on like now
• 42:32
  and then like when you feeling like what the fuck am I doing?
• 42:37
  Why am I doing the? Am I doing wrong why?
• 42:38
  It's nothing happening like boom?
• 42:40
  Why? Nothing is recognizing me?
• 42:42
  What's like why am I have you? A dropping by My Views are like
• 42:47
  Constance, why? It's like, why units not picking
• 42:50
  when I enjoyed making like this video, add video and it was like
• 42:55
  a big blast for me to record that to edit that to
• 42:58
  post-production it and nothing happened is like it.
• 43:01
  Got like a little less views than usual.
• 43:05
  And this kind that I took I'm taking a breaks when I have this
• 43:10
  kind of breakdowns. As I feel like when I'm I'm down
• 43:15
  like this with my creations and what my creativity going in the
• 43:21
  internet. I will just I will make it like
• 43:25
  every single day, the shittiest like meteor content.
• 43:30
  Like I don't want to do that, I don't want to like feed my
• 43:35
  subscribers who really enjoy that.
• 43:37
  It could be like two people or 10 people, but they enjoy me
• 43:41
  being active, being my cell being liked Doing what I'm
• 43:46
  doing. So I don't want them to see my
• 43:48
  sad face and talking about like I'm quitting YouTube tomorrow
• 43:52
  because I feel down because I feel depressed about my career.
• 43:56
  So I learned myself that I need to like, take a break, like, for
• 44:01
  the week for the month. I don't know.
• 44:04
  My longest break like this was for four months after four
• 44:08
  months, I felt so refreshed. I felt so refreshed and I
• 44:13
  thought, like, I'm never going to stop.
• 44:15
  Stop like this because I feel like I'm getting matured after
• 44:20
  this kind of breaks because I only had like two of them, like
• 44:24
  one big between like Russian and English Channel.
• 44:29
  And this kind of break this Autumn.
• 44:32
  I think less last autumn And that was like my biggest
• 44:37
  thinking process about, what am I doing?
• 44:40
  What am I going to do with you two?
• 44:42
  What I'm going to achieve with this who I want to be on YouTube
• 44:48
  on the internet. So I thought like this is the
• 44:51
  biggest like The biggest pet peeve.
• 44:56
  I might say they called me to do this like breaks at the same
• 45:02
  time. They, they teach you something
• 45:05
  and the other like other big problem that I like experienced.
• 45:12
  It was like, nobody gives a shit.
• 45:15
  What are you doing? Like?
• 45:18
  Yeah, that's when you are in Russia.
• 45:21
  It's like in not a big city. It's like no content creators.
• 45:26
  Like it's, you can count them on your fingers, on your hand.
• 45:32
  They're like nobody understands you.
• 45:33
  Nobody like really gives a shit about what you doing like, even
• 45:37
  with parents and closer friends. Most of it was the kind of
• 45:40
  General consensus in Russia as in terms of like thoughts and
• 45:47
  feelings on YouTube because I know in the UK it's beginning to
• 45:52
  be taken more seriously because of content creators like, you
• 45:56
  know, KSI who's kind of established a sort of a
• 46:00
  promising music, career and stuff, and it's like a lot of
• 46:02
  crossover. So now you're seeing him, people
• 46:04
  like him being interviewed regularly on TV and now they're
• 46:08
  kind of realizing that hey, you can make money from this.
• 46:10
  You can make a career out of this, is it, is it like being
• 46:15
  taken seriously in Russia as far as that's concerned?
• 46:18
  Or is it still kind of something that people like?
• 46:21
  About, it's secure in there. I should say, like, it's getting
• 46:26
  there, like, like, with the English media, but it's still
• 46:30
  like, not that much of a, do you like people from TV?
• 46:35
  And so on is going like the older population of the our
• 46:39
  country and every Everybody is watching TV around like in
• 46:43
  Russia. But yeah, I don't, I don't
• 46:45
  understand like why you watch TV, you can choose content, what
• 46:48
  your what you've been feeding yourself that Is weird.
• 46:52
  I gotta be honest. Like I think it might be because
• 46:55
  there's such a big population in Russia and you've got a lot of
• 46:58
  people in from older generations and such so maybe they're not so
• 47:01
  comfortable with on-demand services but it is weird because
• 47:05
  obviously you have those services available there so
• 47:07
  people can pick and choose what they want to watch when they
• 47:10
  want to watch it. And I'll be honest like I find
• 47:13
  it surprising when I learned that people still watch TV cuz I
• 47:17
  never watch TV. I always watch things on demand.
• 47:21
  And movies normally like TV series, really?
• 47:26
  I don't really watch like 10 still like Yeah, it's like with
• 47:34
  the, with my parents. For example.
• 47:37
  I taught them that you can like, what YouTube?
• 47:40
  What? She Instagram watch Tick-Tock?
• 47:42
  Yeah. With your own mobile phone that
• 47:44
  you have this year. Oh wow.
• 47:47
  This year it's like it was weird.
• 47:50
  They watching TV every single evening.
• 47:51
  I'm like not, I don't know what this thing except for my
• 47:55
  PlayStation 2. It's like why do you use this?
• 48:00
  And yeah, so it's like, as you said, it's with the population
• 48:04
  with the old non-tech people. I should say, like, people who
• 48:10
  don't understand much more than the TV.
• 48:13
  They just, like, I have a TV. I'll just in the shit that they
• 48:16
  feeding me. And that's why it's like, not
• 48:20
  recognized by the older people. Yeah.
• 48:24
  And at the same time, I didn't have like this.
• 48:29
  This much of appreciation for my friends, that who watched my
• 48:33
  content for like, once or twice? They were saying like you're
• 48:36
  copying this, you're copying Kim.
• 48:38
  You're cutting her and they like, you're not going to make
• 48:40
  it by. Like don't bother.
• 48:43
  Why are you taking this to you? Like little small town boy,
• 48:49
  trying to do shit like people doing for ages now and have that
• 48:53
  negativity and it was really quite depressing.
• 48:56
  Like yeah, I'm like I'm not talking People have to bed if
• 49:00
  you facility that to microreel leg.
• 49:03
  I don't I don't blame your hobby to collect something.
• 49:08
  Like I got us a big point for any kind of hobby.
• 49:13
  Mmm. Yeah, I don't sound this topic,
• 49:16
  actually, like, I've never had people really tell me like not
• 49:20
  to do things as such, but I have had this kind of, like lack of
• 49:26
  support from people around me over the years.
• 49:29
  E years because now I don't really ask anyone anything, I
• 49:36
  just do what I do because I love it and I believe in it, I'll
• 49:39
  keep pushing it because I find like often.
• 49:42
  When you ask the people around you they're not helpful really
• 49:45
  in any way you know they don't guess it up and kind of say like
• 49:49
  yeah this is awesome. Yeah you should be doing it
• 49:51
  because to be honest that's the type of people I want around me
• 49:55
  like that's why I think it's good to surround yourself with
• 49:58
  other content creators. They get it.
• 50:00
  And when you when you make something that you're really
• 50:02
  proud of, they know to like be like yeah.
• 50:05
  Well done not just because that they're your friends or you know
• 50:08
  they're trying to catch you up, make you feel better but like
• 50:10
  they get why it's a big deal because they do it themselves.
• 50:15
  Whereas I find that a lot of those people that aren't
• 50:17
  supportive or a - they either don't do something like that
• 50:20
  themselves, or they're just kind of like they don't realize the
• 50:25
  power of like how negativity can affect you how it can be.
• 50:29
  I hate you, you know, so it's it's like a constant battle.
• 50:32
  Like I know for myself, you know, like you said before like
• 50:36
  those days when you feel really bad, like I've had days where
• 50:39
  I'm like maybe I should quit this, you know what's the point?
• 50:42
  Like no one watches its trash. You know like what am I doing?
• 50:46
  Who am I kidding? And then you get over it and
• 50:50
  you're like, just keep doing it till the end of the day.
• 50:56
  But I think the point I'm trying to allude to is that you Really
• 50:59
  have to like believe in yourself, first and foremost and
• 51:02
  the people around you. I mean, ideally, they're
• 51:05
  supportive and positive but either or I think you just got
• 51:09
  to like ignore them and just do your own thing.
• 51:13
  Just now you have to be your own number one fan girl.
• 51:16
  After all that, that's a good point, actually, a lot of people
• 51:20
  that I've spoken to on the podcast and just in general.
• 51:23
  I've always said that that you need to be able to enjoy your
• 51:25
  own content. I watch it back and be like,
• 51:27
  yeah, this is good. I'm proud of this.
• 51:29
  Yes, I know this sounds weird but sometimes when I'm listening
• 51:32
  back to podcasts of myself like interviewing people and I'm just
• 51:38
  checking it to make sure it sounds good and there's no
• 51:41
  issues and such. But there's sometimes I just
• 51:44
  leave it on. I feel like this is all right,
• 51:47
  actually, this is quite interesting and I'm like, what
• 51:49
  you're doing? You had the conversation?
• 51:51
  You were there. You don't need to listen to.
• 51:54
  Yeah, to me it's a good thing. It's like, okay, if this is
• 51:57
  something that's listenable that I Listen to it and get over
• 52:00
  because I don't like watching myself.
• 52:02
  That's just me or listening to myself.
• 52:04
  It's like, I'm far as I'm concerned.
• 52:08
  I'll check it. And then I'll never think about
• 52:09
  it again. But I do want people to enjoy it
• 52:13
  because I enjoy it and I want it to get better and you know, it
• 52:19
  is there for entertainment purposes, first and foremost.
• 52:23
  So you want to be able to watch it back and enjoy it yourself.
• 52:28
  I think that's very important. Portent point and yeah, I
• 52:31
  couldn't agree. More of you on that one, as you
• 52:35
  said, like, if you I'm sorry to interrupt you like you, please,
• 52:39
  please, please. It tastes like a really
• 52:43
  interesting point. Like, when you listen to
• 52:47
  yourself and watch yourself, like, watch your videos and
• 52:51
  listened to your podcast, it's like, when I was while editing
• 52:55
  it and I'm hearing like my joke, I can best out like laughing
• 52:59
  because Real love this like kind of humor and yeah, I don't
• 53:03
  really remember that. I'm saying this but now I'm
• 53:06
  watching it like as a full full picture and I'm like, I'm
• 53:10
  laughing, I guess. It's reliving it, isn't it?
• 53:13
  Like it's a good video because I enjoy that.
• 53:16
  So I enjoy my humor. That somebody would enjoy that
• 53:19
  too. So that's a good joke.
• 53:21
  So I'm like big thumbs up on this video and just continue on
• 53:26
  like was watching my boring face in my boring voice that I hate
• 53:32
  to listen and re-watch to. But I have to like when I'm
• 53:35
  editing, when I'm like shaking, everything is okay.
• 53:37
  Like when I'm post-production it like I really don't really love
• 53:42
  my face. I don't really like my voice.
• 53:45
  Not like, saying like I'm right there with you.
• 53:49
  I think it's in a way it's positive to be your own worst
• 53:52
  critic. Like, you don't see it like
• 53:55
  other people, like I don't see that.
• 53:56
  I look at you and I'm like, this is a cool guy.
• 53:58
  It's got good, looks talented. Doing a lot of cool stuff like I
• 54:01
  don't see any of what you see but I understand why you feel
• 54:05
  that way because I feel the exact same way.
• 54:07
  Sometimes, I listen to something that I say or and I'm like
• 54:11
  that's cringe and other people like like it and they're like,
• 54:15
  that's great and I might know it's not shit but you know it's
• 54:22
  like people's different. Isn't it?
• 54:24
  I think it's good thing to, you know, be your own worst critic
• 54:27
  because it forces you to do better, the push yourself and
• 54:31
  yeah, doing that. I think inevitably you will get
• 54:34
  better and you have to you have to at some point.
• 54:40
  Absolutely. Well, I'm going to throw a
• 54:42
  really random question your way. This has nothing to do with
• 54:45
  anything. I just had to ask because a
• 54:48
  you're my first Russian guest. Be your Russian and See, the
• 54:56
  reason I'm asking this is because it's a very divisive
• 54:58
  question. As far as Russians are
• 55:00
  concerned, you get one answer or the other and it's normally a
• 55:03
  very strong answer. So my question to you is, what
• 55:08
  are your thoughts on the Russian President?
• 55:11
  Vladimir Putin? Go there?
• 55:16
  Yeah. So I was like till last year or
• 55:21
  like around that time. When I was like younger, when I
• 55:25
  was like little bit stupider, a little bit, like, not concerned,
• 55:29
  about my taxes and all. So I was like, I'm not political
• 55:39
  boy, I'm like, I'm not talking about this, I'm not thinking
• 55:42
  about this, I'm just getting like through, but the other day,
• 55:47
  I heard this really wise words of a stand-up comedian that he
• 55:53
  said. Quote, like if you say that your
• 55:55
  unpolitical and you live in Russia, it's the same thing.
• 55:58
  If you close your eyes and somebody fuck you in the ass and
• 56:00
  you like, I'm not saying this, I'm not looking, and when I'm
• 56:04
  getting like older, I'm trying to get this because that's a
• 56:08
  fair point. That's a great analogy,
• 56:11
  actually. I mean, okay, like what I will
• 56:13
  say on this topic is because like I said, I got a lot of
• 56:16
  Russian friends. They're very split on this issue
• 56:23
  and the Best thing that I can one thing I will quickly say is
• 56:26
  that Western media, always portrays Vladimir Putin as like
• 56:32
  either the savior of Russia or like this really evil guy that
• 56:37
  does evil things. And you know, I'm sure a lot of
• 56:40
  that is true. I'm sure you know there's a lot
• 56:42
  of shady shit but to be honest there's a lot of shady shit with
• 56:45
  every single government. It's not generally mean I think
• 56:47
  it's just that classic American thing of like or he's Russian
• 56:50
  sources. The bad guy what is Germans is
• 56:53
  you know Stop that bullshit. But on the factual side of
• 56:57
  things then someone said this to me a couple of years back.
• 57:01
  I think when I was living in Estonia it was a Russian person
• 57:04
  and they said this to me and this made the most logical sense
• 57:06
  to me. What.
• 57:07
  As far as that why there's a divide between like say Putin
• 57:10
  supporters and and people that don't support him and why it's
• 57:15
  so kind of like balanced as well because I mean fucking out Trump
• 57:18
  has supporters, right? So it's it's not unheard of
• 57:21
  that, like, Putin would have supporters but As I understand
• 57:26
  in the 90s when Russia was, like, totally unbelievably
• 57:30
  fucked, specifically places, like Moscow and stuff, like, it
• 57:34
  was a very dangerous place to live and to be.
• 57:36
  Yeah. And obviously, it was very
• 57:38
  highly controlled by the Russian mafia, you didn't have, like, a
• 57:42
  police force or a proper government or anything.
• 57:45
  So, it's like a free-for-all almost.
• 57:47
  And, again, I'm not saying, this is fact, this is just what I've
• 57:50
  been told is that when Putin came in Around that time because
• 57:55
  he's a different terms and stuff.
• 57:56
  When he first came in around that time, he essentially kind
• 57:59
  of eradicated that problem and kind of got Russia to a point
• 58:03
  where it was like a function, functioning continent / country
• 58:07
  again. So he basically took the country
• 58:10
  out of that and into like a new error.
• 58:14
  Now obviously over the years over the decades, all that shady
• 58:19
  stuff has happened and you know, there's been like good stuff,
• 58:23
  bad stuff and so on. And that of course creates the
• 58:26
  divides. And I think this is purely a
• 58:30
  generational thing. So the people that are voting
• 58:32
  for him, I would wager a largely, those older
• 58:35
  Generations. Who remember, like how fuck the
• 58:37
  country was, you know, after the Soviet Union and in this kind of
• 58:42
  intermediary period. They don't want to go back to
• 58:45
  that they're like, well this guy saved us.
• 58:47
  We want to keep voting for him because it's going to keep us
• 58:51
  safe and keep the country going because it's not just about
• 58:55
  safety. You know, it's other things like
• 58:56
  economy. I mean, you know, for many years
• 58:59
  the Soviet Union was a very powerful functioning power, you
• 59:03
  know, 50 60, 70 years, you know, is doing very well and then it
• 59:07
  was that kind of gorbachov error and stuff that it started going
• 59:10
  downhill in every single way. But principally like
• 59:16
  economically speaking it would had failed massively and that's
• 59:18
  kind of like what really sent it downward into a spiral.
• 59:26
  So like I think that's kind of more why there's that divide and
• 59:30
  like, when this person told me this, that that seemed very
• 59:32
  logical and it's kind of the same in a way with Trump, you
• 59:36
  know, with his whole thing of like, make America great again.
• 59:39
  He's, I mean, all the people that are voting for him for the
• 59:42
  most part, I like out at heart. Just like racists, like, all
• 59:46
  sorts of crazy shit, right? Yeah, but what he's appealing to
• 59:49
  is that idea of like, Hey, do you remember what the America
• 59:53
  was like in the 50s and 60s? Like we want to go back to that?
• 59:57
  We want that like make America great again, that's what he's
• 1:00:00
  appealing to and those people are believing in that message
• 1:00:03
  and voting for that message. And I think that's kind of what
• 1:00:07
  Putin supporters alike as well that they're voting for that
• 1:00:09
  message. Letting not necessarily him per,
• 1:00:13
  se it. It's yeah.
• 1:00:16
  And I wanted to tell about like Russian mentality, it's like
• 1:00:20
  plays a big role because Russians are, like, let's say
• 1:00:25
  like that. Now, Russia is instable a little
• 1:00:31
  bit of shit Place. Hmm.
• 1:00:33
  But people love this stable thing about the sheet place so
• 1:00:36
  they still live in the shit place.
• 1:00:38
  They still like pay taxes and get like shitty hospitals, but
• 1:00:43
  they stay. Like like to be stable because
• 1:00:47
  they are afraid of what comes after.
• 1:00:50
  They don't really love to try anything new, try anything
• 1:00:54
  different try anything like from Western countries.
• 1:00:59
  So all other people elderly people are really love.
• 1:01:02
  Wouldn't because it's stable, but at the same time but I think
• 1:01:08
  about like Putin politics, we're talking like Putin.
• 1:01:12
  But I think it's like talking about The government because
• 1:01:15
  it's a little bit good of here, little bit Dad.
• 1:01:19
  It's like his friends and his like, bodies all around the
• 1:01:24
  government now. And that's what, that's what I
• 1:01:28
  mean about like, pushing topic. And it's like, after you said
• 1:01:32
  like after the crisis and Soviet Union, he just Duke the country
• 1:01:37
  in his big arm, big strong arm, but the same time this arm can
• 1:01:42
  just choke you. Like choke you to death.
• 1:01:45
  And it's like a little bit more of this and that like a bit more
• 1:01:49
  of harsh bit of more of less harsh and people like love this
• 1:01:54
  stable politics with the with what's going on with them.
• 1:01:58
  What was going on with their children with their grandsons
• 1:02:03
  because they understand this, they can like, appreciate this,
• 1:02:08
  they can comprehend to this. So that's why they continue
• 1:02:12
  voting to put. But It's like it's it's out of
• 1:02:16
  his way, it's out of his age, everybody's saying, like even
• 1:02:19
  the university would that they enroll to, they're saying like
• 1:02:23
  your digital natives, you're like you just do people you live
• 1:02:26
  with your smartphone's, you wake only totalk in like Messengers
• 1:02:30
  and shit but the same time we'll live in Russia.
• 1:02:33
  Ishida hospitals. Yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Have broken like facilities of government.
• 1:02:38
  That's right. Like, with all the like big
• 1:02:42
  wages of Governments. He's very Wish, isn't it?
• 1:02:47
  Like today like really we righted don't really understand
• 1:02:50
  maybe I'm dumb. No, no, I think you hit on a
• 1:02:54
  very good point because there's a lot of countries in the world
• 1:02:57
  that have a similar situation where you know the average let's
• 1:03:01
  say living experience for a person is pretty substandard by
• 1:03:07
  comparison with other countries and people just put up with it
• 1:03:11
  you know because it's what they know you know it's life is life
• 1:03:16
  but then they'll also have access to like technology and
• 1:03:21
  Western stuff as well as it's like a very weird kind of mix of
• 1:03:24
  things as far as that's concerned.
• 1:03:28
  And yeah I get what you mean it's odd.
• 1:03:30
  Like when I started traveling around Europe and living in
• 1:03:33
  Europe, I sort of began to understand just the differences
• 1:03:38
  between countries and like how lucky I am to be from from UK in
• 1:03:45
  many respects but like I do kind of think that every country has
• 1:03:50
  it's good and it's bad things. Like even the UK is heavily
• 1:03:54
  flawed in many different ways and I think a lot of the time
• 1:03:58
  when you're picking somewhere to live It's a case of like, what
• 1:04:03
  am I happy to put up with? And what am I?
• 1:04:07
  What do I need? You know, like what can I do
• 1:04:09
  without? It's more like that, you know,
• 1:04:11
  nowhere is part of even like America which is, you know,
• 1:04:15
  labeled as like you know, this perfect place and everything's
• 1:04:18
  great. Like, obviously I'm not talking
• 1:04:19
  about right now just talking about, you know, over time over
• 1:04:23
  history. Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  The American dream. It's like, we all know that it's
• 1:04:27
  BS but like there is a lot of Truth in certain things.
• 1:04:31
  You know, being able to set up a business there and stuff like
• 1:04:34
  that. Yeah and make a living there but
• 1:04:37
  like it now you know, America is very unsafe and it's something
• 1:04:41
  that's like well you can move there but you you're at your own
• 1:04:44
  risk, you know? And it's It's tough.
• 1:04:48
  It's tough like anywhere. But yeah, but Russia is an
• 1:04:52
  interesting one, it really is. I mean, because I've seen I've
• 1:04:55
  seen that, you know, I'm a lot of Russian people in Estonia.
• 1:05:00
  I saw remnants of like the Soviet kind of, I don't know how
• 1:05:06
  to put it. Just just like, okay so there
• 1:05:09
  would be a lot of like Soviet era buildings that people still
• 1:05:12
  live in which I find that perfectly livable and such but
• 1:05:15
  just, you know, it's a different.
• 1:05:17
  It's like I think the best way to put it in at least in Estonia
• 1:05:20
  is it's like two worlds, kind of merging but like, you know, it's
• 1:05:25
  like putting together two jigsaw pieces that don't fit and it's
• 1:05:29
  that. Well, eventually someone's going
• 1:05:31
  to have to budge. Even we move forward and we move
• 1:05:36
  away from this. Or we don't move forward and we
• 1:05:40
  just stick with this. It's like just doesn't work, but
• 1:05:44
  it's the same in every single city is like given in Moscow,
• 1:05:48
  there are like older buildings. So the architect and at the same
• 1:05:54
  time, there is a lot of modern buildings like thin walls and
• 1:05:57
  like everything digital. It's really weird strange,
• 1:06:03
  right? Well, thanks for giving us that
• 1:06:06
  aren't Side Story. Be something interesting, moving
• 1:06:09
  it back to social media so you're wrong.
• 1:06:13
  This social media Network known as VK.
• 1:06:19
  It's a Russian website, social media websites been around for
• 1:06:22
  many years. I think, as long as my space,
• 1:06:25
  even if people remember that and the full name at least because
• 1:06:30
  it used to, just it used to be called the conductor and back to
• 1:06:36
  the conduct. Don't act, right?
• 1:06:38
  And now it's been shortened to VK, but it's been around a long
• 1:06:41
  time. I think it's a Russian only
• 1:06:45
  websites, not available in any other countries as a just
• 1:06:48
  Russian speaker. It's like, SMG places like
• 1:06:53
  stands older stars. Ukraine, belorussia yes, a
• 1:06:59
  russian-speaking countries? Basically?
• 1:07:01
  Yeah, russian-speaking. How does this social?
• 1:07:06
  Because on YouTube it's kind of like jokingly tongue-in-cheek
• 1:07:09
  listed as a tight space for my Russian buddies kind of thing
• 1:07:13
  and yeah I to me that makes perfect sense you know you're
• 1:07:15
  going to have different social media platforms.
• 1:07:18
  You want to appeal to your Western audience but you want to
• 1:07:21
  still appeal to you at your home audience as well makes perfect
• 1:07:24
  sense to me but how does it compare to Western social
• 1:07:29
  networks? You know like that you use like,
• 1:07:31
  say you Instagram, Twitter, whatever.
• 1:07:34
  Is it better or worse in any way?
• 1:07:37
  I don't know about the features or anything of the K, but is it
• 1:07:41
  does it is it better the same? What is it like what how does it
• 1:07:45
  work? And is it useful for promoting
• 1:07:49
  your YouTube? So it's actually the week, a
• 1:07:54
  thing came across just after the Facebook banked store, Zack made
• 1:08:01
  the Facebook and then one really interested in Ducks invention
• 1:08:09
  student made up of EK. So it's like pretty much the
• 1:08:12
  clone of Facebook. And so it has like by public
• 1:08:15
  Pages. It has like your own page, your
• 1:08:17
  friends count, some Some communities and cetera.
• 1:08:22
  So it's, I think it's quite interesting about the
• 1:08:28
  advertisement and all the promoting of your own stuff
• 1:08:33
  because there are, there is, as far as I know, a really good
• 1:08:37
  targeting system about the promoting stuff as an Instagram.
• 1:08:41
  So I I've got like a couple of public pages that I run with my
• 1:08:46
  friends like sharp and and like OverWatch.
• 1:08:50
  Paige. I had like 1K followers there.
• 1:08:55
  So it's it's interesting experience, but at the same time
• 1:09:00
  I think that we K is like not as solid social media.
• 1:09:05
  It's like not a solid big space for your work for us.
• 1:09:10
  For me it's like it's pretty much the Facebook.
• 1:09:13
  I just post every single video of my own on my wall in my
• 1:09:16
  public specials page and I just I don't care about it, like it's
• 1:09:22
  for my Russian friends because all the promotion goes to
• 1:09:26
  Russian friends who are subscribed to this page, you can
• 1:09:30
  tag like a couple of like, I don't know, Russian guys who
• 1:09:35
  interested in this and that in this tag, but at the same time,
• 1:09:38
  it's like Facebook is like not going anywhere.
• 1:09:40
  There are big groups of YouTubers who like, like for
• 1:09:44
  like, subscribe for subscribe. Yeah, like boy.
• 1:09:48
  Go and work so Is VK like old people Facebook, but for Russia.
• 1:09:55
  Now know. We have like another like, okay.
• 1:09:59
  It's like another VK. Okay.
• 1:10:01
  Right. Okay.
• 1:10:03
  It's like this place is trash. VK is like a little bits.
• 1:10:08
  That's like At been the trash bin, like like a big trash
• 1:10:14
  truck. Yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Upgrade in the trash can, that's all slightly clearer.
• 1:10:18
  Yeah. Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:10:19
  I use VK only for my body's only to message my friends and like
• 1:10:26
  to know things about my University and stuff or work
• 1:10:31
  because all the people like pretty much concentrating on VK
• 1:10:34
  not like using like WhatsApp or something like that.
• 1:10:37
  They used to be k for chats. I'm using like This pretty much
• 1:10:40
  only for work and connecting with my friends and colleagues.
• 1:10:44
  It's the same for me every spoke actually.
• 1:10:46
  I mean I use it. Yeah to keep in touch with
• 1:10:49
  family post memes and shit now and again but nothing that I
• 1:10:55
  don't it's mainly there. Yeah to keep in touch with
• 1:10:59
  family and friends and then I've got a public page for all of my
• 1:11:03
  you know all my projects and stuff but like I just look at it
• 1:11:07
  as another place. Like I don't really We care
• 1:11:11
  about it, I'm just like it would be silly not to have it.
• 1:11:14
  It would be silly not to post their, but at the same time like
• 1:11:18
  you say it's like not really. It's not like the police to.
• 1:11:24
  Yeah. I feel like if you're going to
• 1:11:26
  find people, that are genuinely interested in what you do, as
• 1:11:31
  far as that content creation is concerned, it's going to be
• 1:11:33
  through YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, you know, the places
• 1:11:38
  where people actually actively Things.
• 1:11:40
  I mean read it for instance is a good example to but it's bit
• 1:11:45
  different but yeah, I get where you're coming from and they just
• 1:11:49
  interesting to me to compare because obviously we don't have
• 1:11:54
  the K here. I remember I've always known
• 1:11:57
  about VK for many years but I just kind of assumed it was just
• 1:12:01
  you know, Russian version of Facebook basically.
• 1:12:03
  So it's interesting to know that there's other networks others
• 1:12:06
  much it makes sense as well that you guys.
• 1:12:09
  As use it for chat, suppose because obviously Facebook owns
• 1:12:13
  everything. Now as far as like yeah what's
• 1:12:16
  an Instagram model that it wouldn't necessarily be used as
• 1:12:21
  that the primary social media app in other in other regions of
• 1:12:25
  the world that makes sense. But anyway moving forward.
• 1:12:31
  What is my MBA? Jumba mahjongg.
• 1:12:37
  Okay, my jumper as so, if you started any video of mine, my
• 1:12:45
  classic intro is like, what is up on the jumbos spaces here.
• 1:12:49
  Welcome to another shitty horror game.
• 1:12:53
  So when I started watching like I don't I remember.
• 1:12:58
  Was it like usual smile for PewDiePie sometime like for the
• 1:13:02
  short time he was Getting to his audience like me jumpers.
• 1:13:08
  It's like Jambo Jambo is like something like with the Mexican
• 1:13:12
  stuff and all that, that, and I remember that when I was like,
• 1:13:16
  trying to improve my intros like first like couple of videos.
• 1:13:20
  Okay, I thought I was, I was saying like, what is up, guys,
• 1:13:23
  but guys, just like, what am I hipsters?
• 1:13:26
  Exist? Yeah sexist.
• 1:13:30
  Just kidding it like and I thought like every single
• 1:13:33
  YouTuber has like Named for their audience.
• 1:13:36
  Like, oh, I remember that Trend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:40
  So I thought like, I'm from that old school, so I'll just do my
• 1:13:44
  jumper Clan. So we have like mogambo Clans.
• 1:13:46
  So every single subscribers me jumper for me.
• 1:13:50
  Okay. Cool.
• 1:13:51
  As ice cream a Jamba is like a friend or like, I don't know.
• 1:13:55
  Is that language? I don't know.
• 1:13:56
  Is that, is that a word even? But snuck, I really like that.
• 1:14:00
  That's what. I don't know.
• 1:14:01
  I just saw it on your YouTube and I thought it was funny.
• 1:14:04
  I thought I'd Find a creative way to ask you about that
• 1:14:08
  because I knew it was is listed as like our you're going to be
• 1:14:10
  part of this community. Yeah.
• 1:14:13
  But I just thought that was an interesting thing.
• 1:14:15
  Now let's talk a little bit about more about streaming.
• 1:14:21
  Now we know that you kind of stream with with your friends
• 1:14:26
  such as still Z and such, but why did you actually decide to
• 1:14:30
  start streaming on Twitch? Because I feel like this is a
• 1:14:33
  good question to ask people that do both.
• 1:14:34
  YouTube and twitch because they are so drastically different.
• 1:14:37
  I know it's possible to just upload the streams to YouTube
• 1:14:41
  and cut clips and stuff. But like it really to me, it
• 1:14:44
  sounds like you're really kind of trying to give YouTube a go
• 1:14:47
  on its own and you're doing these things separately.
• 1:14:51
  Yeah. We're going for service being
• 1:14:53
  that yet. Right.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah, so why did you decide to start streaming on Twitch?
• 1:15:00
  So I thought when the all the YouTube gaming And like, in
• 1:15:06
  midtown's of 2010, 2012, when the gaming pops has tagged as a
• 1:15:16
  category in YouTube, the started to do the gaming YouTube gaming.
• 1:15:21
  So I thought like it's not really a good platform to stream
• 1:15:26
  on because nowadays, A lot of people who stream on YouTube and
• 1:15:30
  like they are successful, they use all the features as it
• 1:15:33
  should, right? But at the same time, I thought
• 1:15:36
  like if you want to stream yourself even like just chatting
• 1:15:39
  or playing game or like connecting with your community,
• 1:15:42
  I think that which is more appealing to the audience.
• 1:15:47
  It's like when you go to Twitch I feel like I want to connect
• 1:15:52
  with the Creator. I want to see how you can look
• 1:15:56
  to calculate dogs, how he responds to the game life
• 1:16:00
  because in every video, like I think A lot of creators have
• 1:16:05
  this. You play in a character like
• 1:16:07
  video starts. You hit the right button.
• 1:16:10
  You're this funny guy but when you, I just with my editing one
• 1:16:16
  of my videos it's like specialist is a character for me
• 1:16:19
  because I really like I just decided for me is like spiders
• 1:16:23
  is a character. He's like he's a little bit
• 1:16:25
  crazy. He likes to shout.
• 1:16:26
  He likes to scream, he likes to like be mean and stuff but at
• 1:16:30
  the same time I'm not really that guy in real life because
• 1:16:33
  but I'm saying It's like, it's, it's like complicated I think
• 1:16:41
  because at the same time I can be like a really shy guy in the
• 1:16:44
  real life, but at the same time I can be really loud.
• 1:16:48
  Big Boy, YouTube's. So when you go to Twitch, you
• 1:16:52
  feel like the real energy of creature, even he is playing the
• 1:16:56
  character. He's not.
• 1:16:58
  You just see the man. The woman that attach a
• 1:17:03
  helicopter. Let's say, Let's say one day you
• 1:17:05
  become really big and really successful.
• 1:17:08
  Yeah, because I think there's a lot of YouTubers and twitch
• 1:17:11
  streamers that do exactly what you're doing.
• 1:17:14
  They essentially play a character online or if not a
• 1:17:18
  character, then a very souped-up kind of high-energy version of
• 1:17:23
  themself. But then the difficulty with
• 1:17:26
  that is that when you do eventually meet fans and do meet
• 1:17:29
  and greets, probably going to be very disappointed because you're
• 1:17:33
  not going to be that. Person in real life.
• 1:17:37
  I mean you could choose to be I suppose I suppose you could act
• 1:17:40
  all day but that's tiring to do that.
• 1:17:43
  Do you not anticipate a sort of a problem with this?
• 1:17:46
  That the reason that I ask this because when I started YouTube,
• 1:17:49
  The Thought very briefly crossed my mind like should I Not like
• 1:17:53
  consciously that portray a character but should I be, you
• 1:17:56
  know, souped up for the camera and stuff and my kind of
• 1:17:59
  conclusion was, this is a bad idea because if I do have fans
• 1:18:04
  or something in the future, I have to be that guy.
• 1:18:07
  And I don't want to be that guy just want to be myself from day
• 1:18:09
  one. So, talk to me a little bit
• 1:18:11
  about that. That, like, do you anticipate
• 1:18:14
  that as a problem or tall? No, not really.
• 1:18:17
  Because there is like in every other man like that.
• 1:18:22
  There is like big introvert and extrovert Barrett's of him.
• 1:18:27
  Like when you chilling with your friends, you like a little bit
• 1:18:30
  introverted, you just don't really want to scream and shout
• 1:18:33
  and do all this chip, but the same time, every single like,
• 1:18:37
  not a friend, but like her, mate, like, who knows you every
• 1:18:42
  single, like this person in like, my university in my work,
• 1:18:45
  they know, like this kind of spaz, because they know the
• 1:18:49
  time, like, I can be screaming, I can be joking around about
• 1:18:52
  like being Citizen stuff. But I'm not really with my
• 1:18:57
  family like this because I don't really know.
• 1:19:01
  Is that like, is that bipolar thing.
• 1:19:04
  But I really love to be introverted and extroverted of
• 1:19:09
  the same time because I can be just like chilling and being
• 1:19:13
  like screaming and being like joking around about bad stuff
• 1:19:17
  like a really like to try and steal his stream tube and
• 1:19:21
  history. Really.
• 1:19:22
  I don't want to ban. Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  And at the same time like I'm like this joke, a little weird
• 1:19:30
  guy in the University that everybody loves and everybody
• 1:19:33
  likes joke with. It's like not really big a
• 1:19:36
  character. I should say it's like big of
• 1:19:40
  what you want to be. It's like still developing the
• 1:19:44
  same time as you playing the character.
• 1:19:46
  So I really want to be like this.
• 1:19:49
  Be a better version of myself. And as you said, if I met
• 1:19:53
  somebody in real life and I met like Russian people and talked
• 1:19:58
  with some Indonesian subscribers and they they saying like you're
• 1:20:03
  a good guy like not that really big of a spaz.
• 1:20:07
  But at the same time it's really good to talk to you and really
• 1:20:11
  good like to hang around and just have a beer or something.
• 1:20:16
  so I thought, like that's the perfect, like centered version
• 1:20:20
  of me to me, it kind of sounds like you're Betraying one shade
• 1:20:28
  of your personality that you made a very good point there.
• 1:20:30
  What you said, like all you know, I wouldn't act this way in
• 1:20:32
  front of my parents and I think that's a fair point.
• 1:20:35
  You know we do act differently with different friends different
• 1:20:38
  groups because I thought I suppose it brings out different
• 1:20:40
  parts of us. Like I always try to be
• 1:20:43
  personally I was trying to be myself in all situations but is
• 1:20:46
  inevitable that when you're with certain people certain parts of
• 1:20:50
  you are pulled out and so on and so forth so yeah it is.
• 1:20:54
  To me it just sounds like it's just one shade of your
• 1:20:56
  personality that's coming out online.
• 1:20:58
  And In fairness we can all agree that when we're doing these
• 1:21:03
  YouTube videos or this trick streaming, we are pushing it a
• 1:21:06
  little bit for the camera because, you know, you can't
• 1:21:08
  just sit there like, like this make the video, you know, this
• 1:21:12
  we're just chillin like this and because no one who wants to
• 1:21:15
  watch that, you got to be more animated and start.
• 1:21:17
  So it is an opportunity to sort of do that.
• 1:21:21
  But yeah, cool, awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome.
• 1:21:24
  Was moving forward. Do you, would you say you prefer
• 1:21:30
  creating content for YouTube or twitch?
• 1:21:34
  Which is your favorite? I don't know, I just as I said
• 1:21:38
  like I don't care like a cool equipment for that which I
• 1:21:42
  really love streaming. I really love streaming, but at
• 1:21:45
  the same time I don't have like much of a Time living with my
• 1:21:49
  parents and my brother for example or and not like much of
• 1:21:54
  a All of the hardware in like Hardware is not allowing me to
• 1:21:59
  play. What I want to play.
• 1:22:00
  I want to be a big Fortnight streamer but I only play
• 1:22:04
  fortnight's on low level by my own.
• 1:22:07
  So I enjoy more of YouTube. In case of that, you can
• 1:22:14
  increase the quality of your content because you can just do
• 1:22:19
  all the post-production and like editing as you wanted.
• 1:22:24
  B and which you can really live with in life you can really add
• 1:22:29
  it what you want to edit. You want to edit a meme.
• 1:22:31
  You have to look at the meme. Download it, put it on the
• 1:22:35
  screen and now you have a mean and bang in the video, I kept
• 1:22:38
  this mean when that meeting and just an explosion, that's why I
• 1:22:42
  have want to have error. At some point you need to send
• 1:22:47
  it to do you not think it's kind of worth just starting even
• 1:22:53
  though you don't have the it meant that you want because I
• 1:22:56
  know that feeling I had the exact same concerns when I
• 1:23:01
  started doing this podcast, you know.
• 1:23:03
  So I've since been alive since been able to get a better Mike,
• 1:23:07
  shout out to steal Z for making that happen as always.
• 1:23:10
  Thank you so much but yeah I started with just some crappy
• 1:23:15
  microphone that I bought in Estonia that was worth like 20
• 1:23:19
  euros and you know I was frustrated at first as I are, I
• 1:23:23
  wish I could do More. I wish I had like the perfect
• 1:23:25
  camera. The perfect Mike and it's, we're
• 1:23:28
  still growing. We're still getting there, but
• 1:23:30
  it's like, do I guess what? I'm trying to ask you because
• 1:23:36
  because this was the decision I made as well.
• 1:23:38
  We should just go for it and get the stuff later on.
• 1:23:40
  Do you not think it's worth just starting out and growing?
• 1:23:44
  That following getting those people behind you?
• 1:23:47
  And then, you know, you could probably get like, things like
• 1:23:50
  donations or make money from, I don't know sponsorships or Soar
• 1:23:54
  through YouTube or Foo twitch, or however, and eventually get
• 1:23:59
  the things that you want. Because, as you've said, first
• 1:24:02
  and foremost, the content is the most important thing.
• 1:24:05
  The equipment obviously just makes it easier or better to
• 1:24:09
  produce what you want to produce.
• 1:24:10
  But like, first and foremost, people are coming to consume
• 1:24:14
  your content, you know, it's not about the fucking mic or
• 1:24:18
  something like that, idea, every with that because all the
• 1:24:23
  people, Really play all the games by themself, they don't
• 1:24:28
  really going on streams on YouTube, videos for the game,
• 1:24:32
  like, for real exceptions. Like when you can play really
• 1:24:35
  the game, or by the game, but the same time, they really don't
• 1:24:38
  want to see only the game. They want to see like a Content.
• 1:24:43
  They want to see, Joe's, they want to see your energy.
• 1:24:46
  They want to talk with you like on live streams.
• 1:24:49
  So I think that if you have like shooting Mike, if you don't have
• 1:24:53
  a camera but you have big eager to do this.
• 1:24:57
  I think it's like never never late, just do this, just spread
• 1:25:02
  your word, spread your like, butter on all the tasks that you
• 1:25:06
  want and get into that. So eloquently put.
• 1:25:13
  Okay. Switching up.
• 1:25:15
  Moving forward, you are also a musician.
• 1:25:19
  It's something that you don't kind of push as much as
• 1:25:22
  everything else. Now, I would say that's probably
• 1:25:25
  because you're still very much experimenting with this and
• 1:25:28
  it's, it feels to me like something that's a bit newer.
• 1:25:32
  I mean, I personally think that there's a lot of Promise in this
• 1:25:35
  in what you're doing. I'd I dug the sound of it.
• 1:25:38
  I thought it was I can tell you're not using like, the best
• 1:25:42
  equipment ever, but you know, you got to start somewhere and
• 1:25:46
  it's good for what you like, the equipment that you're using.
• 1:25:50
  You've done a very good job is basically what I'm trying to
• 1:25:52
  say. And you're kind of regularly.
• 1:25:55
  Releasing this music via your SoundCloud.
• 1:25:58
  So talk to us about, I guess what music kind of means to you
• 1:26:03
  in general. So with the music, there's like
• 1:26:08
  I thought that Music and the video are different.
• 1:26:12
  It's like production-wise, the editing wise, the post
• 1:26:16
  production wise and I thought it's like a really hard work and
• 1:26:20
  at the same time, I really wanted to know any like music
• 1:26:24
  theory or like get into music school or stuff.
• 1:26:27
  But I don't like I don't I don't understand in any notes.
• 1:26:33
  I mean like I don't play guitar. I play ukulele only by the
• 1:26:38
  chords. Online, like, showing how you
• 1:26:41
  have to put your fingers on it. So I don't know notes, but when
• 1:26:46
  I try, I was looking at the YouTube videos like in my
• 1:26:50
  recommendations like how to make this kind wrap trap music, like
• 1:26:54
  by like Lilia tea or something and I saw like there's like
• 1:26:59
  basic FL Studio basic Ableton, you can just download it and
• 1:27:04
  just click around. So, download it, it started to
• 1:27:08
  click around like And I don't want to brag or anything but
• 1:27:12
  everybody saying like I have a good taste in music.
• 1:27:16
  So, I'm like, listening to music and I understand like notes,
• 1:27:20
  like, in my head not like, knowledge wise, but in my head,
• 1:27:25
  I know that this sounds good. So I started to like big some
• 1:27:29
  notes, big, some chords speak some patterns, try to experiment
• 1:27:35
  it. So I didn't like push it so much
• 1:27:39
  in Content. But really I enjoyed making
• 1:27:43
  music. I don't really do that recently
• 1:27:45
  because it's like, when you hit you, you just spinning all all
• 1:27:49
  night, all night. We're just making this track.
• 1:27:52
  Yeah. And that's why I don't really
• 1:27:55
  listen to music when I'm traveling, like by bus by tram
• 1:27:59
  buy something because because when you listen to music, you
• 1:28:03
  only listen to like when I was listening to Joe G's new album
• 1:28:08
  and I made next. Track of mine.
• 1:28:10
  I noticed that the inch of the track was the same Melody as the
• 1:28:15
  job, geez, but I still don't know the chords, I still don't
• 1:28:18
  know notes but I replay that with my own brain.
• 1:28:23
  So I thought, like if you don't listen to music when you're
• 1:28:25
  traveling, like to work to University or to school, you
• 1:28:30
  have this little development going on your your brain is
• 1:28:34
  board. So it's starting to produce
• 1:28:36
  music. So I'm like I'm trying to Do it
• 1:28:39
  like in my phone, then just remember this sound.
• 1:28:44
  Just go back home and do it on my laptop.
• 1:28:47
  So it's like more productive to make you sounds and you music.
• 1:28:51
  Okay. What are your goals with music?
• 1:28:56
  I really know. So I have like a little much
• 1:28:59
  more of audience in SoundCloud because on my I don't know how
• 1:29:05
  it's like YouTube wise and SoundCloud wise listens like
• 1:29:09
  views, there is a lot of them and I was not expecting this.
• 1:29:14
  I just put tags on I like put my own photo shops of the previews
• 1:29:20
  and that's all. I'm just throw it there and go
• 1:29:23
  just playing video games and when I go back, Can hear that.
• 1:29:27
  People really love the sounds. It's like I really want to make
• 1:29:32
  people like sad and horny because that's what I'm
• 1:29:37
  classify. My music.
• 1:29:39
  Still a dimple 1e sudden horny. Yeah, so it's like heartbroken
• 1:29:44
  playlist. I don't know, something like
• 1:29:46
  that. I'm not really like sad all the
• 1:29:49
  time, but I really like making sad music.
• 1:29:52
  She's a pretty random mix of of two motions right there, sir.
• 1:29:56
  Sad and not the horny. It's it's my style of think.
• 1:30:02
  I thought like for example, like which genre of music you're
• 1:30:06
  making like what is your genre is?
• 1:30:08
  I'm saying like silent horny. Just nice me shit.
• 1:30:13
  Yeah, because it for those who haven't listened to I recommend
• 1:30:16
  you go and listen to on Sanka, it's good stuff.
• 1:30:18
  It's Lo-Fi kind of experiment or hip-hop, I guess.
• 1:30:24
  But like you say it's difficult to put Honorees on things these
• 1:30:27
  days especially if it gets more and more experimental, but it's
• 1:30:31
  cool. And I like the fact that you do
• 1:30:33
  it in Russian as well. I don't think it massively makes
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  a big difference if it's in English or Russian particularly,
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  but I will say that the Russian language is very nice for music.
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  There's a lot of fantastic Russian musicians out there.
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  Just kind of gives it a different vibe, I guess.
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  So that's cool. But what could we kind of From
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  you in the future, in terms of your music.
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  I mean, you mentioned that you're not really doing stuff
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  right now, but as you said before, you kind of comes to you
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  at certain times and I'm the same, like I write music when it
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  comes to me and if I get an idea, I start writing on it so
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  that I don't get worried, like, if I haven't released music in a
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  while. So when do you reckon we could
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  like, do you have an idea of you, sort of, I don't know,
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  earmarked a certain time. Or are you just kind of, you
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  know? In for the inspiration to come.
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  Actually. Now, I'm working with the witch
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  house genre. Okay.
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  So I really love like this dark wipe or Real Horror stuff too,
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  so which, which house is like a little bit Dancy, a little bit
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  scary sounds, but it's still the house.
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  So I've almost produced the track to the to the perfect fit
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  that I want to and me and my friends are going to shoot a
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  video like a music video, cool. So music video to come.
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  I'm trying to do which house now.
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  Excellent. Excellent.
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  Well, if you need a singer, give me a shout out because I say,
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  yeah, yeah, that's how many different looks awesome.
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  That well that's, that's great. Actually that you've got
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  something upcoming. So there is something coming for
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  you in terms of Music fantabulous and yeah, so moving
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  it forward, as I guess to kind of put a little bow on this
• 1:32:31
  particular podcast, draw it to a close.
• 1:32:34
  Do you have any major upcoming projects through that YouTube or
• 1:32:39
  twitch that you'd like to share with us particular things that
• 1:32:43
  you'd like to plug, or maybe just some final thoughts that
• 1:32:45
  you'd like to share to your followers or to anyone that
• 1:32:49
  isn't currently following? You now is your time to plug
• 1:32:51
  yourself, go nuts. Step two, spares, boys and
• 1:32:57
  girls. I'm not sexist.
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  Yeah, that's the mean. Was going with the German.
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  Boys would still Z like sub two spares always on his dreams?
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  So yeah. I'm going to release less of a
• 1:33:10
  gaming content and try to get more into IRL stuff.
• 1:33:14
  So more Vlogs to happen because I'm moving places more
• 1:33:16
  challenges and crazy stuff like I really enjoy, filthy Frank, so
• 1:33:23
  let's see. Will Road will take me when I'm
• 1:33:26
  like living by myself with my friends.
• 1:33:28
  So yeah that's that's the main reason and the second one I
• 1:33:34
  really to I need to make a video about this like is quicker than
• 1:33:40
  your podcast. I'm going to create a second
• 1:33:44
  channel. It's four locations on this
• 1:33:46
  emotion and try to wing it like not this every single day videos
• 1:33:52
  but like twice or three times Times a week, okay, but it's
• 1:33:56
  more. I think it's more quality to
• 1:33:59
  this. We always say, in which tells
• 1:34:01
  you like it's quality over quantity so and I don't really
• 1:34:06
  think that's in the YouTube. Now, it's some time ago, YouTube
• 1:34:11
  was rewarding guys who upload daily like twice like except
• 1:34:16
  youkai who got this and now it's like, not really about that.
• 1:34:19
  It's about watch time and like shorter videos more interesting
• 1:34:22
  continent. Inside.
• 1:34:24
  So I'm really trying to focus on that new Strat and I will upload
• 1:34:31
  once or twice on Russian Russian channel, so it's going to be
• 1:34:36
  interesting. It's going to be, I don't know.
• 1:34:40
  I really don't know. I really want to like include
• 1:34:43
  more people into my like viewership and like into my
• 1:34:47
  image a clan so I can, like, understand what people see that
• 1:34:52
  I'm doing and they like, Really to watch it.
• 1:34:56
  This is pretty interesting. Yeah, that you're going to have
• 1:34:58
  two separate channels at 144 English or International on one
• 1:35:03
  foot for Russian. Like I find that is this kind of
• 1:35:06
  interesting to me. You know, I mean because it's
• 1:35:08
  the same guy same person but yeah dis different audiences
• 1:35:13
  because they are the excellent speaks their language.
• 1:35:16
  Yeah, it's like clicking on the channel Greek.
• 1:35:19
  Pair of skinny jeans when you click on his back and a oh, And
• 1:35:27
  I get what you mean. I get what you mean.
• 1:35:29
  I think it can only work out in a positive way.
• 1:35:33
  I think. If anything, it would be good if
• 1:35:36
  it helps you to leverage fat. Like I think, you know, if your
• 1:35:39
  Russian fans enjoy you and they want to check out more of you
• 1:35:42
  than they can see in your International stuff.
• 1:35:46
  And yeah, it just kind of gets you out there to more people
• 1:35:49
  really, doesn't? It and allows you to the
• 1:35:51
  sandbox, and it allows you to stuff it in your native language
• 1:35:54
  as well. Which as I and speaking of a
• 1:35:57
  languages as well, it does kind of Effects.
• 1:36:01
  How you create things and the vibe.
• 1:36:04
  And the fear is different in different languages.
• 1:36:07
  So there is that. Well, listen, thank you very
• 1:36:11
  much for being on the podcast. It's been an absolute pleasure
• 1:36:15
  and another, another great interview, another great podcast
• 1:36:18
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• 1:36:22
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• 1:36:26
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• 1:36:29
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• 1:36:31
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• 1:36:36
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• 1:36:38
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• 1:36:53
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• 1:36:56
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• 1:37:12
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• 1:37:17
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• 1:37:19
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• 1:37:23
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• 1:37:26
  I can and try and put my guests in the back in the bed.
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  Possible light but I think more importantly, I always try to
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  give people a platform to speak which people don't always
• 1:37:35
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• 1:37:37
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• 1:37:39
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• 1:37:43
  And also, yeah, for everyone listening, if you just have
• 1:37:45
  topics that you'd like me to cover in the podcast because I
• 1:37:48
  know we've occasionally, we do podcast, which just me talking
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• 1:37:55
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• 1:38:20
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