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Diet Dogmas... let's talk vegan and plant-based diets · Scientific Health: Education and Human Performance

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  So let's take a look at one of the other types of diet dogmas that are out there.
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  Once again, full complete book will be coming out soon.
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  When we start looking at diet dogmas, we start looking at the various diets that we tend
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  to follow.
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  A lot of them fall along the lines of being fads, where we tend to have a lot of marketing
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  that goes into play, but not a lot of science that goes into play.
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  Very few of the diets that we look at have scientific evidence to support their use,
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  where there tends to be a lot of conformational bias that goes into play, and a lot of selective
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  attention to very few studies that independently show some level of significance.
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  Within this, we have types of diets, such as the plant-based diet, where the question
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  is, should I be vegetarian or should I be vegan?
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  Well, we have to take a step back and look at, is the hype worth, or is it just a scam?
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  So let's talk about that.
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  Warning.
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  The following presentation contains information that might contradict what you have previously
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  heard or believed to be true about how the human body works, and contains material that
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  is not suitable for close-minded individuals.
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  Enjoy.
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  And so we start looking at the idea about a plant-based diet.
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  We have to start by looking at some definitions.
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  So a vegetarian is simply a person that's going to eat things that do not contain animal
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  meat.
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  Within this, we have different types of vegetarians.
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  We have lacto-vegetarians, which will consume things like milk.
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  We have ovovegetarians, which will consume things like eggs.
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  We have lacto-ovovegetarians, which will consume both milk and eggs.
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  But then we have very strict vegetarians, vegetarians such as vegans.
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  So the big difference between the vegan and the classifications of the vegetarians is,
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  will they consume things that come about from animal byproducts, or will they only consume
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  plant-based materials?
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  Where a vegetarian will be allowed within their dietary dogma to consume things like
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  honey, whereas a vegetarian, assuming it's a vegan, will not.
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  The premise behind most of these vegetarian-style diets is that consuming plant-based is better
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  and healthier for you than what we have attributed to as a Western-based diet, a fast food-based
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  diet.
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  But that's not just the case because there are a whole bunch of various types of foods
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  that we can consume at fast food restaurants that would be classified as being a vegetarian
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  or as a vegan option.
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  So what does the science say?
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  What do we know about vegetarian and about vegan diets as it relates to the ability to
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  control metabolic health related to weight loss?
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  Because most of the people are going to be following dietary dogmas either to regulate
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  body weight or regulate metabolic health.
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  And so what do we know?
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  Well, there is some correlations that indicate that following a vegetarian or a vegan diet
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  will lead to changes in neuronal health by increasing insulin sensitivity, reducing reactive
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  oxidative species, and reducing neuroinflammation within the central nervous system.
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  There is some evidence through correlations to indicate there's an increase in metabolic
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  flexibility, an increase in insulin sensitivity, and a change in myokine signaling within the
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  skeletal muscle.
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  There is some correlations that indicate there is a reduction in atherosclerosis and a reduction
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  in inflammation through controlling of C-reactive protein.
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  There is indications of an increase in insulin sensitivity, an increase in lipolysis, and
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  a decrease in lipogenesis within adipose tissue, leading to changes in adipokine signaling
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  and changes in macrophage activation that lead to the reduction in inflammation that
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  we see within the body.
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  Some in the way from the pancreas tend to get a normalization of insulin and glucagon
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  signaling.
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  From the liver, there tends to be an increase in insulin sensitivity, a reduction in lipogenesis,
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  and a reduction in the non-alcoholic fatty acid liver syndromes.
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  Often someone tends to move from an animal-based diet to a plant-based diet and suffers from
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  overfatness.
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  There tends to be a change in hormonal signaling coming away from the liver, very similar to
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  the same changes that we see in hormonal signaling coming away from the adipose tissue, as well
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  as from the skeletal muscle.
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  So it seems to be like there's a lot of benefits that come away from following a plant-based
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  diet.
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  But does that automatically mean a healthier food?
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  And this is where we have to look at what's the research say.
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  We have a whole lot of correlations that say there are good benefits that come away from
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  following a vegetarian diet.
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  However, there are equal numbers of studies that indicate that following a vegetarian
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  or a vegan diet may have some cost to go with the benefits that are attributed to it.
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  And so what are some of those costs that we have to worry about?
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  So what are the things that get pointed out within the research that we have to worry
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  about?
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  Well, we have to worry about things like deficiencies.
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  Deficiencies are going to be coming about from things that we would normally get from animals
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  in our diet or from supplements that would come from animal products, such as B12 and
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  vitamin D. A host of ions that we have to worry about that will be consumed in lower
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  concentrations where we may be able to get a within normal recommended amount within
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  the diet.
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  However, because of other things that are contained within plants that we're consuming
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  may impact the bioavailability of these ions.
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  We will also lose out on some omega-3 fatty acids, such as ELA and DHA, as well as essential
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  amino acids, as well as taurine and cretin that we get from high concentrations in animal
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  products or consumption by supplementations, which may be missed based on the strictness
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  of the vegetarian diet that we're trying to follow.
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  We will also have a disruption in our psychological drive for food based off of reward center
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  signaling that can come about.
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  We also have to worry about things like the antinutrients or the misconception that vegan
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  and vegetarian diets are coming about from non-processed foods.
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  We have to worry about the antinutrients such as lectin, oxalates, phyates, phytosterols,
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  tannins, and glucosanolates, which all impact the bioavailability of vitamins and minerals
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  within the diet that can impact our overall metabolism and how it's going to impact our
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  overall metabolism.
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  Well, it goes back to looking at how we go about in terms of metabolic disruptors impacting
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  our overall health.
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  And how are these things going to impact?
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  It's going to impact based off of metabolic disruption, where the metabolic disruption
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  is going to change the way in which we're going to look at our food intake, change inflammatory
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  signaling, change leptin and insulin signaling, change growth signaling, all leading to issues
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  that we typically look at coming away from metabolic syndrome and over fatness.
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  This is what we have to remember.
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  Just because we might be following a vegan or vegetarian diet does not mean that we're
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  not also having the possibility of consuming metabolic or endocrine disruptors within the
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  plant-based materials.
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  And with the introduction to the chapter coming out in Diet Dogmas, I'd like to go ahead and
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  head back to a discussion that Richie and I had in the summer of 2023 related to vegan
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  and the needs that vegans might have as it relates to their diet, especially for those
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  that happen to be highly active or fitness enthusiasts.
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  So we're here to kind of just talk a little bit about vegan, vegan diets as it relates
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  to those who are extra physically active.
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  We got Richie joining us again here to kind of take us through the discussion.
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  We're going to kind of go back and forth with some Q&A in terms of how we're going to talk
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  about stuff today.
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  So some stuff I'd like to talk to you about are fat diets and the misconceptions about
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  carbs and…
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  Okay.
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  And so there's…
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  So we've already put up some stuff on kind of general concepts about nutrition, both
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  on the podcast as well as on the YouTube channel.
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  And I have a list of other topics that we'll be going through as we move forward in the
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  year in terms of the various types of diets.
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  And so we'll kind of start the conversation and then we'll keep conversation going because
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  this is something as we've talked about numerous times is not, hey, let's have a very brief
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  conversation about a very complex topic.
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  Right.
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  Okay.
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  So as you know, I am vegan, completely vegan and natural amateur bodybuilder who competes.
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  What are your thoughts on the vegan diet as it relates to muscle building and someone
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  who is very highly active?
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  So there's two things we have to worry about with veganism in general for the general population.
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  One of them is nutrient malnutrition.
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  And that's simply because there are certain things that you cannot get from plants and
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  vegetables without having some sort of animal supplementation.
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  And those are things like your vitamin B12s, your creatine, your carnitine, to a certain
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  extent, taurine as well.
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  We can have a slight bit of malnutrition on the taurine, even though taurine is not as
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  essential for normal metabolic functions as B12 is or as creatine or carnitine happens
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  to be.
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  So that's one aspect of the issues that we have to worry about with veganism.
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  The other issue we have to worry about with veganism is incomplete protein.
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  And that's, I don't know, so for everybody who's listening on the podcast, we're recording
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  this on the 6th of August, 2023.
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  And there was a couple of news reports recently about the fruit-only vegan dieter that passed
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  away because of malnutrition.
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  Oh, wow.
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  I didn't know that.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And so this goes into a lot of the conversations that people have about, oh, well, one of the
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  first things that happens for people who switch to doing a vegetable-only or vegan diet slash
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  lifestyle is this rapid weight loss.
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  And that's simply because the body's going to start to try to draw nutrients away from
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  wherever stores happen to be.
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  And so one of the things that happens with veganism is if you're not very vigilant in
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  your source of foods is having an amino acid deficiency because you're not getting complete
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  proteins.
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  So methionine is one of the very important amino acids because it's the first amino acid
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  in every protein synthesis that the cell does.
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  And people who don't consume large amounts of animal protein tend to have a methionine
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  deficiency or can have a methionine deficiency.
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  There's other amino acids that you can become deficient in if you're not doing the paired
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  plant sources within the vegetarian or within the vegan dietary.
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  I guess you can call it, for lack of a better term, protocol.
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  And so once again, this is for a separate podcast that I'm working on right now about
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  the dogmatic principles of diets and the fact that most diets, it's following a protocol
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  that you have to do.
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  And so those are two issues that we have to worry about for anybody in general that's
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  going to follow a vegan-style diet.
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  Now for the highly active person, the other issue that we have to worry about is the need
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  to have enough protein to offset any type of protein degradation and protein breakdown
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  that takes place within the workout.
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  So for me, the only way of me getting in enough protein is if I increase my calories, which
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  that's something I wouldn't want to do long-term due to weight gain.
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  So it is very hard to get the protein in from healthy sources.
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  Most protein that, or no, most things that I get protein from are fake protein shakes,
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  protein bars.
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  And that's not very healthy, but...
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  So that's where we have a kind of, we get into some of the myths and misconceptions
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  that's out there.
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  Okay.
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  It doesn't really matter where the protein comes from.
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  Okay.
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  Protein is seen as protein.
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  Amino acids are seen as amino acids.
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  The body can't figure out is that amino acid coming from a plant or is it coming from an
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  animal?
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  Is it coming from a shake or is it coming from a steak?
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  And so when we look at where we're getting the proteins, it doesn't matter where the
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  source happens to be.
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  It's about making sure that we get all of the essential amino acids and the essential
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  amino acid metabolites that we wouldn't be able to get otherwise.
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  And so that's where we have to, that's where within the whole source proteins.
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  And so one of the things that you see with, or one of the old recommendations was to always
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  kind of like pair like a rice with a legume, like rice and beans, rice and peas, because
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  the proteins that we see in the rice and the proteins that we see in the legumes or in
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  the beans or in the peas, they complement each other.
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  And by the, by complimenting each other within the dietary amino acids, you're ensuring yourself
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  to get full proteins.
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  Okay.
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  But what you're not getting within, within those compliments is you're not getting the
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  six to 20 grams of creatine that you're going to need if you happen to be active and trying
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  to build.
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  So could I use like creatine supplements that are out there?
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  You could, but the problem is that they're not vegan anymore.
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  So this is, I haven't seen on the market a vegan creatine source.
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  And that's simply because most of the creatine supplementations coming out there is coming
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  from animal sources in terms of the production of it.
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  And so if you're trying to be strict in terms of your veganism, it's very difficult to get
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  that same thing with the carnitine.
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  And so carnitine is needed for fat metabolism and transportation of the acetyl fats, the
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  fats that go through beta oxidation, lipid oxidation from the cell into the mitochondria.
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  The way in which it gets into the mitochondria is through using a carnitine pathway.
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  And so most of the carnitine that we get is coming from an animal source.
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  And so that's where it becomes very tricky for the person who wants to be strict in terms
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  of their vegan diet to make sure they're getting those other sources, the taurine, the carnitine,
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  the creatine.
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  Okay.
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  And so when you're highly metabolically active, you're going to start to utilize and overutilize
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  those amino acid metabolites.
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  Granted, you don't need them in super huge amounts, but you need them in enough amounts
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  that you have to replenish it.
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  And so that's where for the creatine, for people who are like yourself, with where you're
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  at within your training cycle, you don't need as much creatine as you needed during the
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  build phase.
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  Right.
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  Okay.
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  But during the build phase, you have to have additional creatine that's there.
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  And that's where for someone that's not following a vegan diet, we can very simply just say,
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  have an extra 12 ounces of white meat chicken during the day.
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  And so that will give more than enough creatine to offset what's there.
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  And when we look at like the white meat chicken or the tuna, the solid white tuna meat, those
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  tend to have high amounts of creatine within it, but also tends to have very low lipid
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  content.
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  And so a lot of times we start looking at, and we can talk a little bit more about the
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  calorie and calorie out misconception.
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  And once again, there's a whole other podcast out there that Michaela was kind enough to
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  come in and ask some questions about calorie and calorie out and the misconceptions that
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  we have as it relates to calorie in and calorie out, something that I've been talking about
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  for over a decade now that people have finally started to kind of pick up on.
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  And I was bored the other day and I was scrolling through the YouTube feeds and so someone,
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  oh, like three days ago, calorie and calorie is a fallacy.
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  I don't remember the actual title of it, but it's just like, yeah, I've been talking about
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  that for over a decade.
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  And so it's stuff where it's like, once we realize that it's about nutrients, not about
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  calories, we can start kind of worrying about the protein for the person that's vegan.
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  And one of the things that the other thing that you have to worry about for the vegan
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  is that iron issue that can come up.
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  Because you can offset a little bit of the beach wall issue in terms of, particularly
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  in terms of the red blood cell and the anemia that can come about with vegans.
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  So you have that vegan associated anemic conditions that can come about with the extra dark leafy
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  green vegetables, which tend to have a little bit higher iron content within them to offset
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  some of the iron content that you don't get from not eating animal products.
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  But the problem is that the same thing happens for someone that doesn't eat any red meat.
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  Because the person doesn't eat red meat is not getting very much iron in their diet either.
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  And so one of the things that happened with the kind of push away from red meat, and there's
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  a reason to push away from red meat for a couple of things, we can talk about that at
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  some point in time here.
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  One of the things that came about was we started seeing anemic conditions with people because
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  they weren't consuming red meat or consuming the dark greens.
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  And the other problem with, particularly with vegan people and the vegan diet followers,
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  I'm kind of mincing words here and I apologize if I'm offending anybody that follows a vegan
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  diet with the euthytisms that I'm using to kind of lump sum everybody here.
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  If you cook those vegetables, the amount of minerals and the amount of vitamins that remain
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  in the foods drops.
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  And so the problem with the dark leafy greens is that they're very kind of bitter to try
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  to eat.
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  And so you just have to kind of like toss a whole bunch of stuff on them to make them
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  palatable.
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  Or you have to cook them a little bit.
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  And then when you cook them, you lose some of the nutrients that you'd be able to get
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  from those vegetables that happen to have the vitamins and the minerals that you need
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  otherwise.
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  Now, the nice thing is that you can get with iron, you can get iron supplementation without
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  having to worry about kind of crossing the vegan ethical line that some vegans that I've
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  had conversations with do not cross, which is no animal product whatsoever.
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  No animal product in my clothing, no animal product here, no animal product.
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  And so there's some vegans that simply do it for diet, that simply follow a vegan diet.
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  But then there's other vegans that it's like no animal whatsoever.
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  And so when we look at the vegan issue as it relates to that diet, we have to figure,
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  OK, are you willing to take the supplement or is it something where it's because of ethical
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  standards you're not even going to be willing to do the supplement?
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  I have a following question.
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  So since vegans could be malnourished due to the lack of minerals we get in, what are
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  some of the diseases that could follow?
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  So people who are malnourished and have restricted diets tend to have metabolism deficiency diseases.
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  And so one of them happens to be like burberry, which is usually is seen with people who undergo
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  drastic starvation diets and will only be eaten like will get like portions of rice
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  and water to eat.
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  And one of the things that you'll see with those people is you'll see them with like
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  bloated stomachs and they look like they're like they're well fed, but their bloated stomach
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  has to deal with liver issues and backup of fluids and edema and a whole bunch of other
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  things where even though it looks like they're well fed, they're not well fed at all.
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  And so you get you get deficiencies with that.
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  Like I was talking about with the once again, recording August 6th of 2023.
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  And I believe was about a week ago, there was this kind of influencer that was doing
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  nothing but fruits and water.
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  And she became she became excessively malnourished.
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  And one of the things you can get you can't get neurological issues from the malnourishment,
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  particularly if you're not getting any of the Omega sixes or Omega Omega threes that
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  you normally would get from eating things beyond plants and vegetables.
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  You can get most of the Omega sixes and some of the Omega threes from plants and vegetables.
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  DHA is one of the essential fatty acids that is not very well stocked within most of the
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  plants that we consume.
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  And so since we don't get a large portion of DHA from the plants that we eat, we could
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  become DHA deficient, which can become problematic because it is one of the Omega threes that
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  we need in our diet for normal hormone and normal membrane functionality and building.
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  Yeah, there's a lot of drawbacks with a vegan diet.
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  So there are drawbacks, but there's also there also is evidence to support utilizing it as
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  part of a I guess the best way to call it would be a periodized dietary protocol where
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  you're not going to once again.
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  So the problem with and let's get on with the problem with any of the fad diets, it
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  becomes excessively restrictive in terms of what you eat or don't eat.
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  Right.
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  And it can become to a certain point, antisocial in terms of in terms of the diet.
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  And so what is happening is, and this goes into something that we had talked about a
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  couple of months ago as I was telling you about the latest book that I'm starting to
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  put together, it becomes where diets become dogma.
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  And just like with most religion and most philosophical principles, you kind of hang
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  out with everybody who kind of agrees with you because you can go ahead and you can eat
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  all the stuff and you can drink all this stuff and you can have all the all the social interactions
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  without having to worry about is that this?
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  Is this a taboo thing?
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  Is this a no, no thing on on my diet?
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  I've gone to a number of social events with with people who follow a vegan diet.
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  And they have and they basically barely eat anything at these social events because it's
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  like, OK, it's vegetarian, but they cooked it with there's like cheese on it.
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  Right.
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  So even the most of my like social circle, even my family, they're not vegan.
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  And so I have to cook everything by myself, bring my meal prep everywhere I go.
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  Even if.
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  My friends and I go out to eat to a restaurant.
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  I can't always like have them go to a vegan restaurant with me.
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  So I'm the only vegan the restaurant aren't so.
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  And that's that's also where we get some of the social stigma.
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  And so so with with vegans, there are some health benefits that can come about.
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  But this at the same time is is what what the people don't want to do is that they don't
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  want to feel like they're being preached to by going to.
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  And so they hear all these bad things.
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  Oh, the food is this and the food is that.
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  And it's not very tasty.
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  And it's not very because it doesn't have this and doesn't have that.
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  But that realizes that you can get some high quality meals utilizing vegetables only.
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  So my cousin's husband is a chef and we've talked a number of times about cooking stuff.
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  And he talks a lot about cooking with vegetables and doing a lot of stuff with vegetables and
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  being able to to you don't have to use a lot of meat in order and a lot of quote unquote
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  unhealthy and once again, healthy food, unhealthy food is a matter of is a subjective viewpoint.
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  You don't have you don't you can cook stuff and make stuff taste good without having to
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  have all of the heavy animal protein and animal stuff in the diet.
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  So like you're talking about, like, yeah, I go out with my friends and it's very hard
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  to find stuff.
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  And so each other's meals.
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  And so we were able to do that without becoming so onerous on ourselves in terms of, well,
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  I can't have that and I can't have this.
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  And that's where a lot of the fad diets start to start to fail is that it becomes so onerous
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  on the person trying to follow the fad that it almost becomes cultish.
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  And so there's a lot of stuff that for someone that follows a lower carbohydrate diet, you
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  can do a vegan diet.
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  I have a former grad grad school colleague of mine that was vegetarian that did low carbohydrate.
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  And you think, oh, well, how are they doing that?
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  Because low carbohydrate, everybody thinks low carbohydrate is eating butter and bacon
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  and steaks.
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  And it's like, no, you can eat lower fat, you can eat vegetarian and have low carb.
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  It's just, it's, it's what are they, it's what is the type of foods that you're eating?
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  So that's where you go to the glycemic index within the, within the vegetables and the
• 28:49
  fruits you're eating and you consume the lower glycemic index foods.
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  You consume a lot larger, the fatty nuts, the avocados, those, what you're not eating
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  is you're not eating the watermelons and the, and the cantaloupes and the, you know, you
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  know, all of those, all of those high sugar apples and oranges and those things.
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  You're eating your peppers and you're eating your tomatoes and you're eating your leafy
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  vegetables.
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  You're eating your nuts and your peas and your, all of the, all of the high protein
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  sourced foods.
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  But then what you're doing is you combine that with the lower starched, lower glycemic
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  index fruits and vegetables and grains to make up.
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  So you make, once again, it goes back to making sure you're not going to malnourish yourself.
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  Because when I start to malnourish myself, my body's going to try to find whatever nutrients
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  are available within the body itself.
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  And so what's going to start doing is start to pillage the body tissues.
• 29:50
  And that's where everybody says, oh, I'm going to switch to doing the vegan diet and switch
• 29:54
  to doing the vegetarian diet because everybody that I know has done it has lost weight.
• 29:58
  Well, they've lost weight because they're trying to find the nutrients from somewhere.
• 30:05
  And it goes back to stuff that I've written on for, since 2010 and that's in a couple
• 30:13
  of the videos on the YouTube and it's in the, behind the paywall on the podcast is when
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  you're looking at weight loss, what weight loss is the weight loss you want.
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  And so just because I'm losing weight doesn't necessarily mean that I'm becoming healthier.
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  It simply means that I'm weighing less.
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  Right.
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  So we want fat loss.
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  We want, so that's where fat mass is more dangerous to health than fat free mass.
• 30:44
  Fat free mass is your organs, your bones, your skeletal muscle.
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  Whereas fat mass is basically all of the visceral and subcutaneous adipose tissue.
• 30:52
  We don't want to get super low in subcutaneous adipose tissue, particularly for females,
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  because of the influence that subcutaneous adipose, subcutaneous fat has on estrogen
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  metabolism.
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  Right.
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  But at the same time, we also want to make sure we have some visceral fat because we
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  want to be able to, because most of the visceral fat is found in fat pads.
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  And the fat pads are important because one of the functions of, of lupus, one of the
• 31:15
  functions of fats for the body is to act as a cushioning agent, to act as a shock absorber.
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  So if you'd like to hear more, I recommend go ahead and listening to that episode of
• 31:26
  the podcast, as well as the videos on YouTube.
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