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Ancient Mayan Ritual Alcohol Enemas · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Yea a tiny bit of trivia to begin today's episode,
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Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors, fellow ridiculous historians. Once upon a time,
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Speaker 1: I Ben Bolin lived in Guatemala. Ben, you always play
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Speaker 1: your tales of adventure and Guatemala very close to the
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Speaker 1: vest I'm hoping today that will change. My name is Noel,
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Speaker 1: and this is ridiculous history. Why are we talking about Guatemalaban.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked, Noel, we're talking about Guatemala
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Speaker 1: today because it leads us into a very strange topic us,
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Speaker 1: one that we think you might rightly call ridiculous. Our
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Speaker 1: super producer Casey Pegram certainly did off air earlier. He chuckled, yeah,
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Speaker 1: which we took as very high praise. So when I
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Speaker 1: was living in Guatemala, one of the things that constantly
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Speaker 1: astounded me was the wealth of ancient culture there, especially
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Speaker 1: as you go up into the northern part of the
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Speaker 1: country Paton h Then you will see all these amazing
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Speaker 1: ruins that have was stood the test of time pretty
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Speaker 1: well and are currently protected by the government, which is
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Speaker 1: a good thing. And it inspired in me this interest
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Speaker 1: in uh Mayan culture, Mesoamerican culture, but Maya in particular.
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Speaker 1: And the reason I was so inspired by this is
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Speaker 1: because I was I was living in town called j
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Speaker 1: La cat Altonango, and there's still a lot of my
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Speaker 1: influence there. I remember learning Spanish well enough to get
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Speaker 1: by in the day, and then people would switch to
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Speaker 1: teach a the other language they spoke. I did not
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Speaker 1: know that that was a thing until we started researching
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Speaker 1: this topic today. Um Man, should we should we let
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Speaker 1: the cat of the bag? We can let it, let
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Speaker 1: it roll around, just to say good word, because I
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Speaker 1: would make sure people know that we are we are
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Speaker 1: being respectful with this. It's a very different thing for
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Speaker 1: both of us. Okay, Ben, you're really doubling down on this.
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Speaker 1: It's just I think it's just one sentence we needed
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Speaker 1: to say it. There is such a wealth of cultural practice,
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Speaker 1: a lot of which might seem strange to many of
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Speaker 1: us in the modern day. And recently, Noel, with the
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Speaker 1: help of our pal Christopher Hasciotaes, we discovered a ritual
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Speaker 1: that we had never heard of, right, I mean, you
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Speaker 1: hadn't heard of this in this contect. I had not
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Speaker 1: heard of it in this context. Um What I would
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Speaker 1: like you to do, Ben is is give me a
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Speaker 1: list of three, because, as we decided, a list must
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Speaker 1: be three minimum. Well that's the bare bones, the the
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Speaker 1: the barrier of entry to a list there we go
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Speaker 1: is three. So give me three cultural um oddities that
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Speaker 1: you found in your time in Guatemala, ending with the
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Speaker 1: one that is today's episode that you only found out
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Speaker 1: about just recently. Okay, yes, I'll play these reindeer games.
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Speaker 1: So one people wouldn't snap their fingers the way that
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Speaker 1: you and I do like that. What you do is,
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Speaker 1: and imagine this with us listeners, you take your thumb
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Speaker 1: and your middle finger and you put them together so
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Speaker 1: the fingertips touch, and then you shake your hand. I
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Speaker 1: can do it with my left hand, and you make
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Speaker 1: a snapping noise. It's tough. You make a snapping noise
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Speaker 1: with your pointer finger against your middle finger. That sounds
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Speaker 1: like that would wear out your wrists. Yeah, agreed. I
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Speaker 1: still never quite mastered the trick too. And this is
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite things. All those old bluebird school
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Speaker 1: buses that you know, fairy kids back and forth to
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Speaker 1: school the States. When they were retired, they move outside
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Speaker 1: the United States down south and they become what are
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Speaker 1: known as chicken busses and there a mode of transit.
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Speaker 1: If you get a second look them up on Google
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Speaker 1: that they're amazing. You would love these in particular and old.
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Speaker 1: They have a lot of psychedelic colors. Uh, there are
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Speaker 1: these amazing mods and the drivers will take these things
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Speaker 1: anywhere around volcanoes, sort of like a crazy, grateful dead bus.
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Speaker 1: And of course number three nol we just found out about.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give the honor to you, my friend. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is sort of a hollow setup
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Speaker 1: that I have envisioned, but I mainly just wanted to
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Speaker 1: hear some of the trivia that you had from your
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Speaker 1: time there. But we'll get into more. The third one
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Speaker 1: in the topic of the day's episode is that back
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Speaker 1: in the days of these Mesoamerican indigenous tribes, the my
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Speaker 1: other income of the Aztec, the Toltec, the ol Ma.
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Speaker 1: We'll get into more of those. Uh, there was a
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Speaker 1: pretty heavy focus on getting utterly smashed on everything from
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Speaker 1: fermented plants to psychedelic mushrooms. Um, all in the service
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Speaker 1: of opening up your mind to the spirit world in
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Speaker 1: kind of a shamanistic way. Yeah. But the one that
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Speaker 1: we didn't really know about this is all kind of
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Speaker 1: on the nose is that they did this thing where
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Speaker 1: they gave themselves and potentially each other ritualistic alcohol animals.
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Speaker 1: That is true. We will restate this so that you
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Speaker 1: know you are not mishearing this thing instead a Freudian
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Speaker 1: slip of your ear ritual alcohol enemas, ritualistic alcohol animas.
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Speaker 1: Because you see, when you are exploring the material crafts
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Speaker 1: left behind by the civilization, you will see a lot
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Speaker 1: of depictions on on the pottery right or on the
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Speaker 1: walls of people doing various things, stories from the mythology
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Speaker 1: of the time, as well as daily life commemorations of
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Speaker 1: the lives of noted figures glyphs right, yeah, glyphs. And
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Speaker 1: you will also see a ton of what what are
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Speaker 1: definitively believed to be enemous scenes like you just described
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Speaker 1: nol and they're on the Mayan pottery. Experts agree that
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Speaker 1: these undoubtedly represent that like these are not metaphors, they
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Speaker 1: undoubtedly represent a literal activity. And for a while this
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Speaker 1: was controversial because it's sort of, um, it's sort of
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Speaker 1: undermined the image that a lot of people had of
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Speaker 1: the Mayans as a very contemplative philosophical people. Yeah, even stoic.
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Speaker 1: They couldn't. They couldn't quite square that with the idea
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Speaker 1: of indulging in ritual acts of ecstasy. There were also
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Speaker 1: displays of characters vomiting. That's right. Then. In an article
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Speaker 1: called Blood, Water, Vomit, and Wine Um, author Lucia Henderson
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Speaker 1: discusses the importance of these various fermented drinks um that
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Speaker 1: were used in some of these ceremonies, one of them
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Speaker 1: being something called pulque, Yes, pulque and you can find
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Speaker 1: this article online in the Mesoamerican Voices Journal. Polka is
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Speaker 1: an alcoholic beverage that is made by fermenting the sap
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Speaker 1: of an agave plant, specifically a mague, not magua. Be careful,
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Speaker 1: not a gremlin's reference. Uh m, a g u e y.
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Speaker 1: And you may be familiar with agave being used in
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Speaker 1: other alcoholic beverages, right even in the modern day, so
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Speaker 1: we know that this was widespread in in many different forms.
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Speaker 1: It's almost more of an umbrella term at times. But
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Speaker 1: uh no, could you tell us a little bit about
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Speaker 1: polk and what it is and what's in it? I
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Speaker 1: know honey is associated with it. Yeah, so pul ku um.
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Speaker 1: It was actually also called act um in the waddle,
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Speaker 1: which is the Aztec language um. And it's, like you said,
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Speaker 1: made from the sap of this plant um. But they
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Speaker 1: actually have to cut into the heart of the plant,
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Speaker 1: which is the part that you I believe the word
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Speaker 1: was mague. Yeah, exactly. But the thing is it actually
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Speaker 1: has pretty low alcohol content um, ranging from two to
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Speaker 1: eight percent. According to an article Tequila, Mescal and Pulque
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Speaker 1: by Suzanne Barbeza from Trips Savvy, Um, it's got a
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Speaker 1: really good rundown of the differences because they are all
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Speaker 1: made from agave. But the difference with polk is that
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Speaker 1: it's made from that heart, kind of like a heart
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Speaker 1: of palm or like an ARTI choke hard or But
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Speaker 1: it's a pretty low alcohol content. So it kind of
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Speaker 1: makes sense maybe that in order to get wasted on
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Speaker 1: it enough to open your mind up to this kind
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Speaker 1: of other dimension, you might need to absorb it a
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Speaker 1: little quicker. That's right. The drink had its own goddess.
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Speaker 1: It was very common in the culture. It featured in
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Speaker 1: tales of Mesoamerican mythology, and as you said, Noel, it
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Speaker 1: was draw in moderation on a daily basis. But for
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Speaker 1: these important religious festivals, you know, weddings, fertility rights, ceremonies
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Speaker 1: of that nature. Who has served in more copious amounts
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Speaker 1: and to really get the bang for their buck. They
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Speaker 1: administered it directly correctly. And we're you know, we're adults.
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Speaker 1: We can say directly without giggling. I mean, we can
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Speaker 1: at least make a game out of not giggling and
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Speaker 1: looking each other directly in the eyes while we say correctly.
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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm golden, good, great, great, how are you?
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Speaker 1: I'm great. Let's go on, let's move on with So
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Speaker 1: how did they administer this? You talked about finding those artifacts, right,
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Speaker 1: the clay pots and all of that. Another type of
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Speaker 1: artifact that they found a lot of this is coming
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Speaker 1: from a study by the way um from the journal
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Speaker 1: Neuralgia called Hallucinogenic Drugs and Pre Columbian meso American Cultures
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Speaker 1: by F. J. Caro ar Tall And one of the
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Speaker 1: bits of evidence outside of the depictions of these ritual
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Speaker 1: enemas um on these pieces of pottery, were the actual
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Speaker 1: implements used to shoot that stuff up there um. They
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Speaker 1: were syringes. This stuff was administered with syringes made from
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Speaker 1: gourds and clay. And if you look at one of
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Speaker 1: the figures in the study, there is a depiction of
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Speaker 1: one of these mind ritual enemas, and it's a gentleman,
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Speaker 1: uh laying what do you call it legs akimbo I guess,
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Speaker 1: sort of reclining and displayed. There you go. And then
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Speaker 1: you got a priest or some kind of easy seems
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Speaker 1: to be wearing a different garb um and he is
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Speaker 1: reaching down um at him with this thing that looks
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Speaker 1: kind of like alot, but it's actually clearly a gourd
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Speaker 1: and it's got, you know, the big bulb at the bottom.
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Speaker 1: It was obviously full of pole quay or any of
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Speaker 1: the other similar related beverages exactly of the of the region.
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Speaker 1: And it looks like he's getting ready to to give
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Speaker 1: give give him a good squirt. Yeah, he's gonna have
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Speaker 1: a rager right, Well, apparently so, and we need to
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Speaker 1: backtrack just to touch We sort of started the episode
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Speaker 1: off by saying that a lot of this was done
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Speaker 1: in service of getting into a trance like state, because
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Speaker 1: the purpose was to achieve enlightenment. We talked about this
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Speaker 1: cultures as being the meso American cultures are being perceived
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Speaker 1: as more stoic. And this doesn't necessarily entirely fly in
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Speaker 1: the face of that, because they're not doing this just
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Speaker 1: around you know, their daily goings on. This is all
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Speaker 1: in these We call it ritualistic for a reason. It
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Speaker 1: was to open up their minds to achieve this enlightenment
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Speaker 1: um get into a state of ecstasy and almost like
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Speaker 1: an inner peace, and to potentially achieve hallucinations and sort
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Speaker 1: of a vision questy way and being able to commune
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Speaker 1: with the gods. Yeah, that's that's the idea. It's removing
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Speaker 1: some of the barriers of perception that would exist in
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Speaker 1: normal data day life. So what we're emphasizing here is
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Speaker 1: that when people were doing it, it wasn't to just
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Speaker 1: party hardy without some sort of larger plan here. Uh.
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Speaker 1: We also, in addition to the tools or the implements
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Speaker 1: that you mentioned, all the gourds and syringes, we also
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Speaker 1: found these thin hollow bones. We know that there was
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Speaker 1: a practice in some similar cultures where shamans would use
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Speaker 1: a deer bladder and maybe hollowed out femur bone to
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Speaker 1: pump a substance through the rectum into into the body.
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Speaker 1: And there were some although you know, this thing is
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Speaker 1: rife for some crass humor. There were some definite medical advantages.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't touch your stomach. It doesn't touch your stomach,
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't touch your liver. Yes, and the anus
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Speaker 1: is full of very sensitive vascular tissue that highly highly absorptive. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And since there's another point with the liver thing that's
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Speaker 1: really important and I'm so glad you brought this up.
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Speaker 1: The liver would break down hallucinogenic elements. So administering these
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Speaker 1: substances this way, to your point, gives you much more
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Speaker 1: bang for your buck inebriation or hallucination wise. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: it's true. And um, I you know, I wonder if
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Speaker 1: the the location of injection was less important than just
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Speaker 1: the fact that it was a more efficient way of
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Speaker 1: achieving that state, especially with alcohol that was relatively lower
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Speaker 1: in potency. Um. We we actually skip. The earliest form
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Speaker 1: of of this of intoxicating liquors that they use, it
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Speaker 1: was something called bal chay that's made by infusing um
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Speaker 1: the bark, some sort of broken down version of the
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Speaker 1: bark from a tree called the longco carpus uh angus stylus,
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Speaker 1: and then they mix that with honey. This particular kind
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Speaker 1: of honey that's made by bees that have fed on
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Speaker 1: a morning glory derivative that is very high in something
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Speaker 1: called ergine, which is very closely related to a little
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Speaker 1: something called l S. D Ergine is li sergic acid
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Speaker 1: A mind and um. It also can be lisergic acid
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Speaker 1: uh life surgeon mind. So I think it's a very
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Speaker 1: close molecular connection between that and life sergic acid diethylamide,
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Speaker 1: which is the we know about from the you know,
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Speaker 1: from the Grateful Dead busses earlier in the episode, or
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Speaker 1: from fish earlier in Vermont. It's true. But here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: They would, you know, a lot of times when they
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Speaker 1: were doing these ritual enemas, they would add other psychedelic substances,
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Speaker 1: psychotropic substances and mix them into kind of a cocktail.
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Speaker 1: And then that's how they would achieve the heights of
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Speaker 1: um openness. Tobacco for an since water lilies, those all
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Speaker 1: went in there. And you know the thing about pul
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Speaker 1: k specifically is that it had an extremely short shelf life,
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Speaker 1: so these other alternatives could exist concurrently, but they were
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Speaker 1: when we talked about these ritual enemies. Whatever the substance was,
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Speaker 1: and whatever the specific cocktail mix was, it had the
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Speaker 1: same goal, which was again to achieve this enlightenment. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you know, but I was startled
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Speaker 1: by how much research had been conducted on this. You know.
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Speaker 1: It hit me when I was thinking back on search
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Speaker 1: history and whatever Big Brother would see us looking through
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Speaker 1: that for some time, my search history will be riddled
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Speaker 1: with things like Brian Strauss and Justin Cares article notes
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Speaker 1: on the May envision quest by enema and then of
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Speaker 1: course blood water, vomit and wine. Uh. We found a
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Speaker 1: comprehensive breakdown to your point about the specific ingredients in
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Speaker 1: these enemas. We found a comprehensive breakdown of it by
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Speaker 1: a guy named Peter A g M. Dismet ritual enemas
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Speaker 1: and snuffs in the America. Snuffs being things that you
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Speaker 1: would insult fate like um um cocaine, for example, for
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Speaker 1: any number of um powders that could be ground down
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Speaker 1: from plant matter and rather than ingesting it orally, you
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Speaker 1: sniff it up your nose. Yeah exactly. And you know
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Speaker 1: what I'd like to make insulfate our word of the day,
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Speaker 1: a pewee thing um did we mention the fact that
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Speaker 1: this has been going on as far back as twelve
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Speaker 1: hundred to four hundred b c. With the all Mac people.
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Speaker 1: We have not, and it's important that we do, because
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Speaker 1: we mentioned the phrase polk and the phrase ma being
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Speaker 1: and being thrown around, but we didn't mention the actual
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Speaker 1: earliest instances of this practice. And I believe you are
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Speaker 1: Bellevio are correct, so it is the old Here's a
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Speaker 1: good detail too. Because the alcohol content and these substances
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Speaker 1: were so low um they would inject them um rectally
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Speaker 1: and it would often they would get so intoxicated that
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Speaker 1: they would vomit. And there was part of the ritual,
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Speaker 1: particular ritual where their vomit would be collected in bags
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Speaker 1: that would then be hung around their necks. And this
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Speaker 1: was a way also of publicly displaying your completion of
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Speaker 1: our participation in this ritual. And in the article that
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Speaker 1: Straws and Care worked on, they gave us a little
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Speaker 1: bit of background as far as the transportation of this
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Speaker 1: stuff goes. Here's a quotation. The enemy substance they say
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Speaker 1: may have been transported in liquid form. Given the large
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Speaker 1: size of these jars, they had specific enema jars, right
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Speaker 1: you can see the and those are things that bear
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Speaker 1: a lot of these decoration exact lifts, so they continue.
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Speaker 1: It's difficult to think of why this would be the
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Speaker 1: case unless some of the ingredients included fermentation based alcohol.
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Speaker 1: It's conceivable the heavy jar was transported empty of liquid
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Speaker 1: and the materials were mixed with liquid on the spot.
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Speaker 1: But unless a large quantity was used at a time,
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Speaker 1: the reason for carrying such a jar is rather a mystery.
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Speaker 1: I love when people use rather that way. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to start bringing that back. Do you have my back
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Speaker 1: on that. We're gonna have your back on everything, Ben,
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Speaker 1: Thanks man. Likewise, so we we know that they had
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Speaker 1: these specific jars, we know the things that were decorated
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Speaker 1: on them, and we know that they had specific recurring characters,
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Speaker 1: which I think is so cool. I'm just a big
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Speaker 1: world building nerd in that regard. And when we talk
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Speaker 1: about characters too, they actually have these terra cotta figures
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Speaker 1: that demonstrated the proper procedure for um. I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: think of an other way of saying it, administering ministering
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Speaker 1: these butt fluids. Yes, yes, so we see some common themes. No,
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Speaker 1: you described the priest administering something to a supplicant or
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Speaker 1: the receiver. Yeah, I guess priest is maybe a too
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Speaker 1: broad a term, some something of a shaman who is
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Speaker 1: trying to guide this process. And here's the thing. What
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Speaker 1: were these rituals about. They were often things like about
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Speaker 1: healing rituals where and I just want to point out
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Speaker 1: too that it was most important for the leader of
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Speaker 1: these rituals, the shaman, to be as open as possible
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Speaker 1: to this spirit, realm or I have you. But he
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Speaker 1: would also administer to the supplicants, you know, the participants
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Speaker 1: in in the ritual you mentioned earlier, I think marriage rituals.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about fertility rights, I think you said. And
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Speaker 1: then the healing, wherein someone maybe was ill or or
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Speaker 1: dying did in some way, and this would be a
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Speaker 1: way to exercise that in some way and and hopefully
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Speaker 1: to promote healing, even though there is no real medical
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Speaker 1: efficacy here. We'll get to that in a second too.
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Speaker 1: We can see some of these rituals, or we can
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Speaker 1: glean some of the purposes behind them by again looking
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Speaker 1: at the glyphs, the decorations in the art surrounding these jars.
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Speaker 1: Because they have these recurring participants. There's water lily jaguar uh.
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Speaker 1: This is a character who's frequently seen in Enema jug
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Speaker 1: scenes for the Enema ritual. He has a turban bib.
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Speaker 1: You'll see him involved in enemies that are associated with
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Speaker 1: sacrificial rights. Interesting. You'll see um other characters like spider Monkey,
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Speaker 1: who is also common in Enema jug scenes. And then
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Speaker 1: you'll see things like drug bird. That's the name. Jug
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Speaker 1: bird is distinguished by a beak with the fat out
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like any real bird, but it's
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Speaker 1: present at least four enimous scenes that are on these jugs.
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Speaker 1: You have other characters like big lipped frogs uh and
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Speaker 1: often holding a water lily or something that would be
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Speaker 1: representative of ingredients and in particular type of cocktail. And
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Speaker 1: then when we start getting into some of the other
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Speaker 1: substances they would imbibe, like psychedelic mushrooms. They even had
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Speaker 1: a the mixed Tech people had a god called seven
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Speaker 1: Flowers who is shown holding two mushrooms in each of
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Speaker 1: his hands. But you know who didn't like this behavior, Ben, Oh, gosh,
21:37
Speaker 1: tell me who on earth would have a problem with this?
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Speaker 1: Was the priests, the Catholics, the Catholic prief. Yeah, the
21:43
Speaker 1: first one, Diego de landa Um. He gave this account
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Speaker 1: of of experiencing some of this stuff. He said the
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Speaker 1: Indians consumed. I was always think it's funny because these
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Speaker 1: are the use of Indian to to refer to Mayan
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Speaker 1: people and Astec people. It's kind of it's kind of
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Speaker 1: a misnomer, isn't it. I mean, it's it's lazy naming.
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Speaker 1: The idea was, uh, you know, the name comes from
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Speaker 1: this cockamamie idea that they had landed in the Indian continent. Oh,
22:10
Speaker 1: speaking of which, you just posted a really great uh
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Speaker 1: Mitchell and Webb look sketch on the Ridiculous Historians Facebook
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Speaker 1: page that addresses that very thing. Anyway, here's the quote
22:19
Speaker 1: from Diego. He says, the Indians consumed alcohol and drugs
22:22
Speaker 1: and immense quantities, which gave rise to many evils, including murders.
22:27
Speaker 1: They made wine from honey water and the root of
22:29
Speaker 1: a certain tree. Let's just describing that bulk um that
22:33
Speaker 1: they grew just for that purpose. The wine had a
22:36
Speaker 1: very strong flavor and a putrid odor. Not a fan
22:40
Speaker 1: of these rituals um. And then of course, you know
22:43
Speaker 1: their goal was to turn them all into two good,
22:45
Speaker 1: two good Catholics anyway, So any of these what they
22:48
Speaker 1: would have seen as barbaric kind of rituals probably rubbed
22:52
Speaker 1: them the wrong way, with or without the booze. Yeah,
22:55
Speaker 1: and let's not forget this idea of proselytization on their
22:59
Speaker 1: end was entirely by hook or by crook. The ends
23:02
Speaker 1: justify the means. So we could imagine a bit we
23:07
Speaker 1: can speculate on how the Spanish forces would have reacted
23:13
Speaker 1: to this. Now, the idea of an enema in general
23:16
Speaker 1: would not have been completely foreign to them. It is,
23:19
Speaker 1: as they say in The Beauty and the Beast, a
23:21
Speaker 1: tale as old as time, right. And I mean, you know,
23:23
Speaker 1: animals are good for like one thing, which is uh, yeah, enemas.
23:31
Speaker 1: Over the span of human civilizations, here's the sentence I
23:34
Speaker 1: didn't think I would say today. Over the span of
23:37
Speaker 1: human civilization, enemas have been used for numerous real or
23:42
Speaker 1: purported medical benefits. Uh. They've been used for a bowel management.
23:49
Speaker 1: They've also been you you know, to relieve constantation. That's
23:53
Speaker 1: the one, Yeah, that's the one that I think is
23:55
Speaker 1: actually accurate, that that it can help you with well,
23:58
Speaker 1: They can also be used to administer other substances directly
24:02
Speaker 1: into the bloodstream, of course, right as we know from
24:05
Speaker 1: from our pals of the minds, right or you know
24:08
Speaker 1: from your local veterinarian, they may recommend that you give
24:12
Speaker 1: someone a suppository or a pet a suppository. I guess, so,
24:15
Speaker 1: I guess I think of those as being sort of
24:16
Speaker 1: u two different sides of the same butt coin. Because
24:20
Speaker 1: cinemas would be liquid, they don't have to be there
24:22
Speaker 1: smoke ainemas. That's very true, Ben, you are really opening
24:26
Speaker 1: my third eye. Oh boy. Yes, we are a family
24:31
Speaker 1: show here. One thing that was very interesting to both
24:35
Speaker 1: of us when we started exploring this stuff is that
24:38
Speaker 1: there is an entire culture, so multiple cultures associated with
24:44
Speaker 1: again the real or perceived effects of enemas in in
24:49
Speaker 1: a palliative or medical sense. Absolutely, and if you want
24:52
Speaker 1: to deep dive into this, I highly recommend checking out
24:55
Speaker 1: our sister podcast Stuff You Miss in History Classes episode
24:58
Speaker 1: on a fellow by the name of John Harvey Kellogg.
25:01
Speaker 1: But let's give you the broad strokes. Yeah, John Harvey
25:05
Speaker 1: Kellogg was nowadays best known as a serial visionary. Right
25:12
Speaker 1: he made Kellogg corn Flakes. Serial visionary like he may.
25:16
Speaker 1: He had many visions and then in success and quick succession,
25:19
Speaker 1: I hope so, Yeah, I hope so. But he also,
25:22
Speaker 1: you know, came up with what's today still a very
25:25
Speaker 1: popular breakfast item, the corn flake. And in his uh,
25:31
Speaker 1: non serial tycoon life, he had very particular and nowadays
25:37
Speaker 1: very strange seeming medical beliefs. Cereal was a side effect
25:44
Speaker 1: of or I guess, an added value right to his
25:50
Speaker 1: primary goal, which was improving people's health and stopping them
25:56
Speaker 1: from masturbating. Yes, just like the Graham Cracker inventor. Yeah.
26:00
Speaker 1: He saw masturbation as a moral danger and a medical problem.
26:06
Speaker 1: He was a Seventh Day Adventist and a staunch vegetarian
26:11
Speaker 1: and a health night Yeah, and a huge proponent of
26:14
Speaker 1: enemas you can read, uh, you can read a great
26:17
Speaker 1: article about this on the Washington Post by Rebecca Fowler.
26:21
Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite titles, although all the
26:24
Speaker 1: authors were citing here and knocking it out with the
26:26
Speaker 1: titles today an enema of the people Nobel, that was
26:31
Speaker 1: what Harvey Kellogg was after John, not a Blinko album.
26:34
Speaker 1: It's an enem of the state of the state. And
26:36
Speaker 1: that's been case on the case and Kellogg himself practiced
26:42
Speaker 1: what he preached. He preached the health benefits of enemas.
26:44
Speaker 1: He also administered multiple enemas a day to himself. Sure
26:52
Speaker 1: do like you too. And the more you dive into
26:55
Speaker 1: this and yeah, we do recommend the mist and history
26:58
Speaker 1: class episode. Uh, the more we dive into it, the
27:01
Speaker 1: more we see that while he had these very hardline
27:07
Speaker 1: health health based principles like no smoking for instance, Uh,
27:11
Speaker 1: he really really really doubled down on enemas. Yogurt enemas,
27:16
Speaker 1: that was a big thing. They just messy. It seems like,
27:19
Speaker 1: you know what, never tried it, but it does seem
27:21
Speaker 1: really messy. Yeah, I'll take my my my yogurt orally,
27:25
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Um. But here's the thing. A
27:28
Speaker 1: lot of this was was kind of considered to the
27:31
Speaker 1: to now when we look at it through the lens
27:33
Speaker 1: of science of modern science, to be kind of quackery
27:36
Speaker 1: or at least, um, I don't know what do you
27:39
Speaker 1: call it when you've got kind of pseudoscience, right and
27:42
Speaker 1: and that, But but it persists to this day. Right,
27:44
Speaker 1: there are people who swear up and down that, um,
27:48
Speaker 1: coffee enemas are the thing, right and and speaking of
27:52
Speaker 1: things you never thought you'd read in your web browser.
27:54
Speaker 1: For a work related venture, I found an article called
27:57
Speaker 1: Anima History and the Mind Culture that was sort of
28:00
Speaker 1: a travelogue of a gentleman who visited, uh, some of
28:03
Speaker 1: these areas with these ruins to investigate the history of
28:07
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about today. And it starts thus
28:10
Speaker 1: in two I visited Guatemala in order to responsibly cultivate
28:13
Speaker 1: my relationship with the fairly traded Anima coffee that I
28:16
Speaker 1: sell from my colon cleansed clients to use for their
28:19
Speaker 1: coffee enemas at home. And then there's a very helpful
28:23
Speaker 1: link to his fairly traded animal coffee and it it's
28:28
Speaker 1: it's very it's uh, it's it's certified organic, it's low acidity,
28:32
Speaker 1: it's air roasted um, and it's hiring caffeine and palmitic acid,
28:37
Speaker 1: and of course fairly traded. But this gentleman um just
28:42
Speaker 1: is a real proponent of this remedy and it's it's
28:46
Speaker 1: a thing. It's kind of a picking up steam a
28:48
Speaker 1: little bit. And this particular type of of cleans is
28:52
Speaker 1: part of something called the Gerson therapy that was developed
28:56
Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties. But the f d A has
28:59
Speaker 1: consider instantly come out against cleanses of any kind, saying
29:03
Speaker 1: that the science just isn't there, and then enemas are
29:06
Speaker 1: really only good for that one thing we talked about earlier,
29:09
Speaker 1: which was you know, curing constipation as as God intended,
29:13
Speaker 1: or you know, for shooting alcohol up your butt and
29:15
Speaker 1: making you incredibly intoxicated so you can you know, talk
29:18
Speaker 1: to the spirits or in some cases medicine to help
29:21
Speaker 1: you that would happen. Also true, I still think that's different.
29:24
Speaker 1: That's just directal administration of you know what though. That's
29:28
Speaker 1: you know, alcohol is not like it's it's not water.
29:31
Speaker 1: You're shooting it up there just to get the effects
29:33
Speaker 1: of it. It's not like you're not using it as
29:35
Speaker 1: a cleanse. Well yeah, you know. The thing that I
29:39
Speaker 1: think fascinates both of us is not just how widespread
29:44
Speaker 1: this practice has been, but the fact that it continues today.
29:48
Speaker 1: Unlike several other traditional practices in Mesoamerica, this practice survived
29:55
Speaker 1: colonialism and some tribes still practice it. It's true. And
29:58
Speaker 1: additionally here even we record in the United States, as
30:02
Speaker 1: you know, a long time listeners here it is also
30:08
Speaker 1: a popular thing, but under a different name. Man, do
30:11
Speaker 1: we get to say it now? Yes? You you have
30:13
Speaker 1: waited long enough. But jugging you say it, you say
30:17
Speaker 1: it right. I'm gonna say it in a in a
30:20
Speaker 1: posh British voice, but chugging. But no, that just sounds
30:25
Speaker 1: like you're saying, but chugging is not good for you.
30:28
Speaker 1: You should drink more gentlemanly like and slower at at
30:32
Speaker 1: a medium pace. I need you to say, but jugging.
30:35
Speaker 1: I feel like that's your voice. How about Okay, you
30:37
Speaker 1: don't have to say it in that voice. I just
30:38
Speaker 1: want you to really lean into it. Uh, A rowdy
30:42
Speaker 1: bottom chug. Okay, that's good, that's fine, that's great. Hey man,
30:47
Speaker 1: if if you do, you I'll do. I obviously am
30:50
Speaker 1: more excited about but chugging than you are, and that's fine.
30:52
Speaker 1: We're two different people. We can have our own feels
30:54
Speaker 1: about things. So but chugging, essentially is is administering alcohol
31:01
Speaker 1: directly without the purpose of pursuing some great spiritual revelation
31:07
Speaker 1: or epiphany. It's recreational. Yeah, there was a there was
31:12
Speaker 1: a case back in oh when was it two thousand fourteen? Um,
31:17
Speaker 1: that's not she was little earlier than that. Two fourteen
31:19
Speaker 1: when that was when the fallout kind of went down.
31:21
Speaker 1: It was in two thousand twelve where a fraternity at
31:24
Speaker 1: the University of Tennessee, the Pi Kappa Alpha chapter UM,
31:28
Speaker 1: had got into a little hot water when an underage
31:31
Speaker 1: student named Alexander P. Broughton went to the hospital after
31:36
Speaker 1: a a real rager, as they say, UM, with an
31:40
Speaker 1: alcohol blood alcohol level of point four oh, which is
31:44
Speaker 1: five times the legal limit and in what doctors called
31:48
Speaker 1: the death zone for alcohol voice zone. Yeah. And they
31:51
Speaker 1: examined him and decided that he had been penetrated in
31:58
Speaker 1: some way. They said, there was signs of sexual assaults UM.
32:02
Speaker 1: And it came out that the investigators believed, rather than
32:05
Speaker 1: him having been sexually assaulted in some way, that he
32:08
Speaker 1: had this alcohol administered directly right with a length of hose. Yeah. Yeah.
32:16
Speaker 1: And there's a misconception amongst many people, or there was
32:19
Speaker 1: at the time, that inserting alcohol into any other orifice
32:24
Speaker 1: would reduce the chances of vomiting from a hangover or
32:27
Speaker 1: something like that. Seems off, it's misinformed at the very least,
32:32
Speaker 1: and the experts have labeled this activity extremely dangerous because
32:38
Speaker 1: think about it. You know, if first off, if this
32:41
Speaker 1: is being done to someone as another ritual, like a
32:44
Speaker 1: fraternity hazing ritual or something, then safety is not prioritized
32:50
Speaker 1: near as much as it should be. Absolutely, Man, whenever
32:52
Speaker 1: I have you been to a fraternity party before? Yeah, yeah,
32:55
Speaker 1: I've only been to one and it was well after
32:58
Speaker 1: I had graduated from college. And I have to say
33:00
Speaker 1: I was shocked, Ben, I was shocked just the depravity.
33:04
Speaker 1: I mean, I just thought there was like a like
33:06
Speaker 1: a very slight three year old girl in a devil
33:11
Speaker 1: costume walking around pounding a handle, mind you, a vodka
33:16
Speaker 1: all by herself, like that was her beverage for the night. Um.
33:19
Speaker 1: I I was, you know, I like a good, a
33:23
Speaker 1: stiff drink as much as as the rest of them.
33:26
Speaker 1: But I was taken aback. Um. But here's the thing
33:28
Speaker 1: with the story about from ut. Yeah, it turned out
33:31
Speaker 1: that it was very important to uh, the father of
33:35
Speaker 1: this young man, and the fraternity and their lawyers to
33:39
Speaker 1: make it very clear that no butt chugging took place.
33:42
Speaker 1: In fact, there is a delightful um clip you can find.
33:45
Speaker 1: We're not going to play it here. You can see
33:47
Speaker 1: that if you want, where their lawyer says the phrase
33:51
Speaker 1: butt shugging no less than fifteen times in this press conference,
33:55
Speaker 1: and it is it's a hoot, he claimed the so
33:58
Speaker 1: of the boy that he was participating in a party
34:03
Speaker 1: called the Tour of Franzia, because when they went back
34:06
Speaker 1: to investigate the scene, they found um like those wine
34:10
Speaker 1: box bags if you open up the box of wine
34:13
Speaker 1: sometimes space bag, space bag. They found those littered everywhere
34:17
Speaker 1: and a lot of passed out fraternity brothers there. And
34:20
Speaker 1: the Tour of Franzias. I guess where you just drink
34:24
Speaker 1: bad white zinfandel until you black out. Sounds like a
34:28
Speaker 1: very niche audience. Here are a very niche party. But
34:32
Speaker 1: despite the hilarious name of butt chugging, the dangers and
34:37
Speaker 1: effects of this are very real. Like you really owned
34:40
Speaker 1: it when you said at that time. And you know
34:47
Speaker 1: what's funny about this snool is we hope everyone has
34:51
Speaker 1: enjoyed learning about these ritualistic practices that, maybe with different aims,
34:57
Speaker 1: continue today in the in the modern world. Old but uh,
35:02
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, man, I am I'm a little
35:05
Speaker 1: at odds about how best to end this, because it's
35:09
Speaker 1: lovely when we end on questions so we can hear
35:11
Speaker 1: from you friends and neighbors. But I think we should
35:15
Speaker 1: be careful what questions we ask on this one. I
35:17
Speaker 1: think we should do it. I would like to do
35:19
Speaker 1: a little p s a here and say, kids, don't
35:23
Speaker 1: put alcohol in your butt. No, just don't do it.
35:26
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Just don't do it. Don't don't do it.
35:29
Speaker 1: There's not worth it. There are better things you can do.
35:32
Speaker 1: You can reach the spirit realm naturally. You can meditate, exercise, yeah,
35:37
Speaker 1: you can um climb a tree, Yeah, climb a tree.
35:40
Speaker 1: You know what, Go look at the stars. They're beautiful
35:44
Speaker 1: this time of year. They're beautiful all the time. And
35:47
Speaker 1: uh on that note, Uh oh, no, you know what
35:52
Speaker 1: it is. It's been so long I didn't think it
35:54
Speaker 1: was ever gonna happen again. It's always gonna happen. It's time, gentlemen,
36:01
Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, the quister, you've returned yet again to bedevil
36:05
Speaker 1: us with fact and fiction, and you're in top wickedly
36:08
Speaker 1: gleeful form, my friend, I mean my bitter enemy. Yes,
36:13
Speaker 1: with flattery will gets you nowhere. So this is again. Uh,
36:20
Speaker 1: there's a surprise to us, as it always seems to be,
36:23
Speaker 1: when we're about to end the episode. This is the
36:25
Speaker 1: part of Ridiculous History wherein our longstanding nemesis Jonathan Strickland,
36:31
Speaker 1: the quister returns to give us a fact, and Nolan,
36:36
Speaker 1: I must determine whether it is true or it is false.
36:39
Speaker 1: We have three minutes, yes, and that that timer on
36:44
Speaker 1: this gigantic grandfather clock behind us does not start until
36:48
Speaker 1: after you have stated the claim. More of a great
36:52
Speaker 1: grandfather clock, isn't it? And we should point out that
36:56
Speaker 1: I also always give you an arbitrary rule you must
37:00
Speaker 1: follow every time. This time, because we are talking about alcohol,
37:07
Speaker 1: I got your nice, a nice adult beverage. So before
37:13
Speaker 1: any question you must pop that open, take a swig,
37:16
Speaker 1: and then say I got I got one for a quister.
37:20
Speaker 1: And just to are you, have you had a few?
37:22
Speaker 1: You sound a little define a few. The word the
37:26
Speaker 1: euphemism I've always liked to use is charming. No, I
37:30
Speaker 1: think no saying you sound a bit charming. The quister
37:33
Speaker 1: is nothing if not charming. That's true, So charming. The
37:36
Speaker 1: room is spinning rate. Now, all right, I hope that
37:40
Speaker 1: you administer this alcohol orally well, you know that he
37:44
Speaker 1: is young. It's fair true, so we uh, we will
37:48
Speaker 1: have to pop the first time we asked something, and
37:50
Speaker 1: then after that just sail right. Assuming that you have
37:53
Speaker 1: to ask anything at all, you may you may feel
37:55
Speaker 1: very confident did not have to ask any questions. And
37:57
Speaker 1: just to point out to the listeners at home, it
37:59
Speaker 1: is approach five. Um, so I think it's it's perfectly
38:03
Speaker 1: appropriates over the hard arm somewhere. Indeed, all right, let's
38:07
Speaker 1: do this. Here's your scenario, and guess what what, it's
38:12
Speaker 1: a long one. Here we go. Since eighteen sixty three,
38:18
Speaker 1: every year on January fifteen, in Osawa Ons in Japan,
38:23
Speaker 1: there is an interesting sake fueled ritual that pitts villagers
38:28
Speaker 1: against each other, all in the name of the Shinto religion.
38:32
Speaker 1: All men who are either twenty five or forty two
38:36
Speaker 1: years old are conscripted to guard a wooden shrine constructed
38:41
Speaker 1: just for the event. The men are encouraged to drink sake,
38:45
Speaker 1: a lot of it, like half a gallon of the
38:49
Speaker 1: stuff of more. The purpose for drinking that much is
38:52
Speaker 1: to imbue the young men with the courage to face
38:55
Speaker 1: what comes next. That next thing is a priest in
39:00
Speaker 1: owls the shrine with a dostogen, or a protective travel
39:04
Speaker 1: spirit associated with crossroads. The drunken twenty five and forty
39:08
Speaker 1: two year olds must then defend the shrine against all
39:12
Speaker 1: the other men of the village, who armed themselves with
39:15
Speaker 1: torches an attempt to burn the shrine down. At least
39:20
Speaker 1: one person has died from injuries sustained in this yearly festival,
39:23
Speaker 1: and many received serious injuries. The whole ceremony originally was
39:27
Speaker 1: meant to encourage a good harvest. These days it's also
39:30
Speaker 1: to wish for a profitable skiing season. You need some
39:33
Speaker 1: water man begin all right, I am officially starting the timer.
39:44
Speaker 1: I get one for you. Him him, So, why are
39:49
Speaker 1: they only twenty five and forty two? And they're not arranged? Right?
39:53
Speaker 1: It's not everyone forty two, it's those ages, specific and
39:57
Speaker 1: excellent question. Many Japanese traditions are based superstition, and the
40:01
Speaker 1: festival is no different. With the twenty five and two
40:05
Speaker 1: year old in the village chosen to take on the
40:07
Speaker 1: special roles because those are the so called unlucky ages
40:12
Speaker 1: for men. Of course, he had an answer for him.
40:15
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's almost suspicious. There we go, there
40:18
Speaker 1: we go. Why are you so horrible? It's just comes naturally,
40:25
Speaker 1: I guess that's fair, that's it. Yeah, I don't know, man,
40:30
Speaker 1: I thought you were bringing the fire. I got no.
40:32
Speaker 1: He puts out my fire. He extinguishes me like like
40:35
Speaker 1: one of those torches in this potentially untrue story. So
40:38
Speaker 1: we're at two minutes. Hang on there, you got one
40:44
Speaker 1: for you. What is what? What year did this originate? In?
40:49
Speaker 1: It again? Eighteen sixty three? Uh? Damn it? There? Go alright, yeah,
41:00
Speaker 1: to back up on him, what is the what town
41:03
Speaker 1: is it? And again it's it's in which is at
41:07
Speaker 1: the base of a mountain range? Oh? What is this?
41:13
Speaker 1: Like some kind of generic just just beer, just just
41:19
Speaker 1: just store brand beer in a white can with the
41:22
Speaker 1: word beer. Hun it skunky. It's like a prop you'd
41:24
Speaker 1: see in a movie. I couldn't at least bring natty
41:26
Speaker 1: like I honestly found it like in the basement. But
41:30
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, um, I don't know, man, there's so
41:33
Speaker 1: many things like can't you just give us a quick
41:35
Speaker 1: a to be kind of like scenario This was a
41:38
Speaker 1: quick one. No, No, okay, what the torches? The burning down?
41:45
Speaker 1: Why the man? I I think it's not true. I
41:50
Speaker 1: think it's it seems like Ben that there's parts of
41:53
Speaker 1: this I know there are rituals like this that they do.
41:55
Speaker 1: There's like the sak ceremonies um where they even like,
41:59
Speaker 1: you know, spit the minted the rice and they they
42:02
Speaker 1: make their saki, spit the rice, chew it up and
42:04
Speaker 1: spit it into a queue, and then they cover it
42:05
Speaker 1: and bury it and then it's like the whole thing.
42:08
Speaker 1: It was in a movie I saw. Um. I just
42:10
Speaker 1: feel because I'm such an optimistic person, I feel burned
42:14
Speaker 1: every time I guess true and it's not. You know,
42:17
Speaker 1: I just want to believe in stuff too much. I know,
42:20
Speaker 1: I know, I guess. I just feel like, what what
42:22
Speaker 1: were they risk burning down infrastructure? Yeah, you want to
42:25
Speaker 1: go not true? Five four three, Okay, we're gonna lock it.
42:30
Speaker 1: We didn't lock it in yet. Stop looking at me
42:32
Speaker 1: that way, cuister. That's our time. He's given me a look.
42:36
Speaker 1: You know, you never know with Okay, all right, we'll
42:38
Speaker 1: say it that. Let's do it. Not true, you poor idiots,
42:43
Speaker 1: you poor idiots. It's true, son of us. It is
42:47
Speaker 1: absolutely true. I gave you this on a platter. I
42:53
Speaker 1: did you say platter? Laatter? Listen, I've had a few,
42:57
Speaker 1: all right, listen, listen, listen, man bowl and listen. Had
43:02
Speaker 1: to make sure it was good stuff that I brought you. Listen,
43:06
Speaker 1: all right? So anyway, yeah, no, this is one of
43:08
Speaker 1: the three big fire festivals of Japan. It's actually one
43:11
Speaker 1: of the most famous. Has been covered various news outlets
43:16
Speaker 1: like NPR, and I mean it was the internet is
43:19
Speaker 1: lousy with information about this thing, and I thought for
43:22
Speaker 1: sure one of you would have heard about it, since
43:24
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. So I feel, have you heard about
43:27
Speaker 1: the one with the rice? Though? Where the spit that one? So?
43:30
Speaker 1: So what is happening here is the doso jin is
43:32
Speaker 1: as a Shinto spirit that is considered to be a
43:37
Speaker 1: kindly spirit that helps travelers, and and so the the
43:42
Speaker 1: priest from the nearby shrine supposedly abused this temporary shrine,
43:48
Speaker 1: this model of a shrine that's been constructed over the
43:51
Speaker 1: course of a few days by about a hundred villagers
43:54
Speaker 1: with the spirit of a of a doso Jean. The
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Speaker 1: whole purpose is to burn it. It's it's it's almost
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Speaker 1: like an offer. And so they build a big bonfire
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Speaker 1: out of various pieces of very flammable stuff and lots
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Speaker 1: of the toole m dolls and things that represent various
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Speaker 1: elements of the culture, and then the men of the
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Speaker 1: village they light their tortures, they are supposed to eventually
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Speaker 1: burn the thing down. I think that's also one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons why the defenders are encouraged to get almost
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Speaker 1: blackout drunk. It seems dangerous fire. Yeah, that's a guy.
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Speaker 1: Guy died. He pee in my defense, in our defense.
44:35
Speaker 1: When you say shrine and you're talking about like a village,
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Speaker 1: I think I'm picturing like a building that's meant to
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Speaker 1: stay there. No, this was absolutely just constructed for the
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Speaker 1: purpose of the festival. That's me and a lot of
44:47
Speaker 1: those abilities are created from wood rather than this one.
44:51
Speaker 1: Like you risk burning down the whole village though, Like
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Speaker 1: the pictures of this, by the way, are phenomenal. It
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Speaker 1: happens January every year. So if you guys, you know
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Speaker 1: we're gonna want to do a ridiculous history on the road.
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, extra credits be there. Yeah, let's get
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Speaker 1: the bosses to pop for Japan tickets. Yeah, lend just
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Speaker 1: for fun. Let's find one of our coworkers that is
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Speaker 1: either forty two or twenty five and not tell them
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Speaker 1: what's going down to way like you know what age
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Speaker 1: I am this year? Right? Two just missed it? Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: well I can't even be man that that was good.
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Speaker 1: I I love learning new stuff nol. So, although Quister,
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Speaker 1: I do feel like you put a lot more work
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Speaker 1: into gloating about today than you did into doing the question,
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Speaker 1: I applaud you. I gave you so many hints for
45:43
Speaker 1: one thing. Just the last time I was on here,
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Speaker 1: you mentioned that when I do a really long one,
45:48
Speaker 1: it means it's fake. I did another really long one
45:52
Speaker 1: just so that you would know it was real, and
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Speaker 1: you still chose. I could tell by the way you
45:57
Speaker 1: were looking at me. Man should have flipped him, should I? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: But we're a team. We are We're a team. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to do a last minute flip. And we
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Speaker 1: Uh and Quister, Uh, thank you for coming on the show.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy your beer, Thank you for the thank you for
46:17
Speaker 1: the unlabeled generic basement beer. I say, swill. Well, uh,
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46:55
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47:21
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47:27
Speaker 1: alert involves a badass Amazonian queen and weaponized Griffins. Yes, yes, yes,
47:35
Speaker 1: what the heck are you guys talking about. We'll find
47:38
Speaker 1: out at our very next episode. In the meantime, that's
47:42
Speaker 1: all for today, Thank you so much. If you are
47:45
Speaker 1: uh participating in any of the stuff we mentioned in
47:49
Speaker 1: this topic. Not to sound too much like a worry warp,
47:51
Speaker 1: but we, uh we, all of us, the Quister and
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Speaker 1: Casey included, hope that you are safe and make responsible decisions. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: I can't open the door, guys, I can't. I can't.
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Speaker 1: I'm too far. It's because your hands are so tiny.
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Speaker 1: Let's get some torches.