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The IU Report with Grant Shouse & Mike Hutsell: Football-Basketball Double Podcast (2.77.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to a special edition of the IU Report, a double podcast, football then basketball with Grant Shows and My Cutsal, only on the Central Indian Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And look back, IU fans to the IU report here on the Central Indiana Sports Report.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Grant Shows with My Cutsal, Greg Megelts here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Produced in this whole thing, really appreciate him for having us on his platform.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And guys, a big week for Indiana this week, a lot of podcasts coming out this week with the IE report tonight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the reaction to Indiana's first team against Alabama and in for basketball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then the Penn State 3DU then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Penn State Reaction on Saturday and then the reaction of the Indiana market fast grugging.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot to talk about this week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's start off here with the college football playoff rankings for announced Tuesday night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana was number two in the rankings not really a surprise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just right behind Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, hearing from the committee, it seems as if Indiana and some other teams are getting a lot more respect in the college football playoff rankings this year, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was very surprised and almost optimist, cautiously optimistic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I texted you and they were going up the list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw Iowa in the top 20, that was well for the big 10, I think, because even on top of that, you had Washington and then you have Oregon, who's a top 10 team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Indiana's Rosemay is getting a boost, by the way, some of these other teams are being ranked right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you could have went any of the three teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have made a case for Ohio State Indian and A&M.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some form to be number one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a lot of people say Indian is number one, but I wasn't stunned at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw Ohio State, his name, Indian a pop up second, no Ohio State, come up one Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a machine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something everybody in college football is gonna have to overcome at some point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: if they want to keep them from repeating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but it was just, it was an interesting ranking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was good news for the big 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think the conference is probably going to try to get 14s into this 12 team playoff and they, and they have a shot now with the way the rankings are, are stacking up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, with Ohio State B and number one, Ohio State's going to be number one in every poll, until someone beats him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If someone beats him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're that good that they could go undefeated and repeat his national champions, but the thing is with Indiana, Indiana, I think is right there with them and you know how we like to do the comparing, or at least I like to do the comparing of the stats, I was going to come on here and kind of do the comparing of the stats from the Maryland game from last Saturday, which at this point nobody cares about that game seems like it was a long
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[SPEAKER_02]: with Indiana Ohio State, I thought after their games on Sunday, I thought I'd go through in a comparison and I lead almost every statistical category over Ohio State this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And almost everything is toward more point, this toward more points off a turnovers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've gotten more first down and passing and rushing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've had more rushing yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've had more total yards of offense than Ohio State actually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, they have almost that over 1500 more yards of total offense through.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nine weeks of college football, they're averaging more yards a play, they're averaging more yards for gain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're controlling almost everything up until about fourth down conversions, which seems like we talked about it every team is kind of,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Outgamed Indiana on forked out conversions this year Ohio State does have that advantage There's seven for ten on forked down this year other than that Indiana leads every statistical category except Ohio State the little bit just a tad bit better overall The passing team there are 183 for 228
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[SPEAKER_02]: and three interceptions this year there was a 284 passing yards per game compared to Indiana 259 and they have Indiana beat in this aspect and that Indiana is allowed 97 points from their opponents but Ohio states only allowed 55 which is very impressive other than that Indiana leads every statistical category over the buck eyes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that something that surprises you guys?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing about Ohio State that you always have to look at is, there you've got so many pros on that team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, their, their wide receivers are, carnival tates atop five wide receiver pick and this year's draft, Jeremiah Smith's the first round wide receiver in next year's draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Julian Sayon,
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[SPEAKER_01]: at the right E is progressing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be a top five pick in the draft after that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're that good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just have pros everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Indiana, it's scheme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's guys who have been in the system for such a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Indiana, but the scary thing about Indiana, though,
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[SPEAKER_01]: of Big Ten.
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[SPEAKER_01]: games with their first string offense because they haven't played the fourth quarters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's four games where you can say, okay, Indiana didn't play in the fourth quarter of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So statistically, Indiana couldn't be even further ahead in some areas than what you see out of Ohio State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But both teams have just been a wrecking ball this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ohio State had their tough test against Texas and week one and overcame that defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Indiana had their slug fest with
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[SPEAKER_01]: a little farther into the season, but other than that, they, they're often as a coasted and their defenses have, have damn near dominated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it, I figured the stats would be close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little surprising to me to hear Indiana's ahead in so many categories because of the talent level of Ohio State and the explosiveness on the players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for God's sake, they have a guy named Bo Jackson on their team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's pretty wild in and of itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just, he should be other playing tech mobile, but there's, these are just two of the best teams in the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't, nothing, you can really tell me about either one of them being statistically dominant, even in head to head would really surprise me to a great, great deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I hope, believe these two teams get a shot at each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: later on down line we've we've seen with Indiana did the organ on the road organ is still a great football team there are great team and honestly i think the game of the week in college football this coming week is the organ at Iowa that's the game to watch that's the game i really want to see and be tuned in with because i think uh that's a really good game
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana's got a great shot at again still proving itself because a fire would get to be by Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're probably eliminated from the playoff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're probably not getting into the playoff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be three losses for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree with you there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And two of them being at home, which is a tough place to play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oregon is gonna have his work cut out for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we know the athlete's Indiana has.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana's got athlete's on its roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Iowa absolutely,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not dominated, we watched the Iowa Indiana game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They controlled that game for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a field position battle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Indiana got lucky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's face it, Indiana got lucky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Iowa missed a field goal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had a missed assignment on a slant route that gave up the game winning touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Their quarterback got her Iowa should have won the game had everything going in its way to win that game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Indiana just kind of got lucky at the end there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if I would place the way they did against Indiana against Oregon, I like their chances, but this is, this is really a play off elimination game because I think at Oregon gets to be, they have two losses.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's, now it becomes a thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we really want to put Oregon in after they've lost two big 10 games?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so much implications on the line Saturday there at Kenx Stadium, which is really, I think a lot of Indiana fans are going to be looking towards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very interested in when I saw that big noon is going to be at that game, but it's the CBS 330 game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like they didn't want
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's they looked at USC losing two Illinois at a nine o'clock in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They looked at UCLA getting absolutely obliterated by Indiana and the big new game and said, you know what, we can't afford to send our West Coast power to attend it whatever would be 10 a.m. game in the central times zone or whatever it would be the time difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And say, okay, maybe we'll play it up like a big game, but we'll still have it on our CBS broadcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think for the playoff purposes and the revenue of the conference, they'll never publicly say it, but I think that the big 10 is probably desirious of seeing Oregon win this game because
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're going to only finish this with one loss in the regular season, they're probably going to be a five, six seed in the block off, and you can still get a USC or a Washington or somebody from that nature to make the push for the fourth playoff spot, and I was not aesthetically pleasing, we've all talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're a good football team and I'm very interested in seeing how they do and that head to head with Oregon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they lost a game early in the year because they were a new quarterback and a new offense to some degree and then they lost to the number two team in the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's you're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the most if not the most interesting
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, we can sit here and talk to football all we want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact of the matter is, is that Indiana is number two in the Kyle's football playoff ranking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you would have said that two years ago at this time were two years ago today, they had a knock-off West constant in front of about 60 fans at home, two years ago today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tom Allen's last ever Indiana win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and you would have told me two years later, they'd be number two in the country with a clear shot at the playoff, what a laughed in your face and asked you what you were smoking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it with an argument to be number one?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you really want to break it down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the thing, we're looking at all this and we're like, Indiana still got three more games to play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With a really important one and again, it feels like we've been saying this where it's been sneaky you feel a game like that's kind of sneaky because you see a late hot right now and then the Maryland game a Maryland could be competitive but this one is stop it oh stop it Greg come on this one Saturday against Penn State really feels like
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Indiana can come out and win it then they're they're path to the playoff is What the door is literally propped open for them to just walk right through it Indiana's never won there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep that in mind 28 five and two all time against Indiana as they say Indiana's two wins all time Against Penn State since they joined the conference one of them probably shouldn't have even happened
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's talking about, Pentex clearly broke the plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't call, and they didn't wish to lay them out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't even close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they spent as much time on it as they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the wildest status all about that game is draft Kings at the beginning of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did the lines game by game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Penn State was a 15 point favorite against Indiana in the preseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Indiana is a 15-point favorite right now going into the flip-the-line 30 freaking points from August till now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much of a disaster Penn State season's been and how overexpectations in the NS season's been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the wildest things I've ever seen from a betting standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there's some pretty clear things that have happened that have switched that line up, but 30 points is just so drastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just hardly ever see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we sit right now going into that game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can talk more about that game later in the week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a bigger test than anybody's giving it credit for right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That we're taking, taking that one a little for granted because Penn State's got dudes, and we'll talk about that more later in the week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been saying all along that I use still going to be in the big 10 championship game, even if they lose to Penn State because that's the only game that's even possible in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The thing is, Greg, is that you're probably right, but if you're Indiana, you obviously want to win the game, but to really keep the committee on your side and give you a favorable
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[SPEAKER_02]: then you got to win this game, it convincing fashion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing what people forget is two years ago, Indiana, and I saw the highlights.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana went on the road, Mike, I don't know if you remember this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They go on the road to Happy Valley two years ago, and the game was tied with two minutes to go unbelievable in the Tom Allen area at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they could have won the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got it won the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't a, let's re-watch the game and relive our pain type situation, but I remember they had a tick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: got the ball in the red zone and then just rolled the game drive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They run a stupid draw on first down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The quarterback doesn't do anything on second down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you're in third and long, and you can't convert.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In all of a sudden, you just you're kicking a field goal to tie it rather than playing for a chance to win the game game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I'm not sitting here talking about Tom Allen area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd need in a football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the number two team in the country
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the importance of this game is, if you win it, you're probably hosting, actually you're probably not even playing on the first week at the college football playoff season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you lose this, you could be in a sixth 11 matchup against Notre Dame or Louisville or somebody like that or Oklahoma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard dangerous situation to put yourself in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: beat Penn State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I think in here, this is a huge, obviously, for the rest of the season, for the postseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a huge one that we need to discuss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got to have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Third round of one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They got to have it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we move on to the basketball grant, just want to remind everybody that we will be here on Friday, previewing that Penn State Game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana tips off its basketball season Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wednesday night eight o'clock on the Big Ten Network to open the day and to
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[SPEAKER_02]: I gotta say, um, I'm not as excited as Greg is as a Purdue fan for basketball season for Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm pretty optimistic and I do like what I'm seeing early from Darren DeVries and his tenure before they've even played a game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Beating Baylor in the exhibition going on the road, knocking off the juggernaut, make a super bet, guys, down in, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really excited from what I've seen in the Aussies and from Indiana, again, a completely new roster not a single returner, except maybe a walk on or two, coming back this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for Wednesday night against Alabama and then I'm excited to tip off the new era of Indiana basketball, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, show Hey Otani, huge Mega Superbets, and loves them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Favorite team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just cannot go anywhere without talking about Mega Superbets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, back to the Indiana Basketball.
18:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I played dumb all off season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've said, oh yeah, freaking basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We gotta talk about it, but here we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's November, season tips off tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've talked myself into being excited again about Indiana basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm prepared to have my heart broken this winter again by my favorite college basketball team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't had a season like this since 2008, 2009.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we knew those teams were going to suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Tom Creen first took over, he was running Kyle Tabor and Brett Ficklemeyer and a couple baseball players in a manager out there on the court, we knew they were going to suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know that about this team, but we don't know anything else about it other than, it's probably not going to suck, but we don't know how good it's going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's so much unknown going into this year, but we don't really know for sure we've seen glimpses of how they're gonna play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This freewheeling, three-point shooting modern basketball, that everybody loves to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen this style of play in Bloomington since Tomcreen was there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen an embrace of actual skill from a shooting standpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not just going to dump the ball into a 736 pound center, like Omar Bala last year and just treads up and down the court for 40 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be actually fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to watch again, the results, we don't know what the results are going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody in the big 10 plays the way Indian is going to play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It isn't going to translate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to be able to go into East Lansing and play a slug fest against Tom is, who you know is going to just want to gumb it up and arm wrestle you out on the perimeter for 40 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or are you going to be able to go in there and drive by and guard people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is high enough percentage from the outside to actually
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[SPEAKER_01]: overcome the lack of maybe talent that you're going to hit face on a nightly basis because they're going to go into games where they're not as talented as the other team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the reality of the squad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So happen again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what, that I think they're going to play hard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to be fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to frustrate us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have nights where they probably shoot six of 37 from three point range.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just like, what the hell are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please stop shooting, go down low, but they don't have anybody to go down low to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's feast or famine, but I think it's going to be a heck of a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grant, what about you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this has to potential to have a roster to go against redevelopment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, they probably will frustrate us some nights, but I don't think it'll be as frustrating as the past two years with Mike Whitson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are going to, they're going to play with a chip on their shoulder because so many of them were not recruited to play at this level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to actually mean something to them to come play it in need and they're not here for a paycheck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was a little bit of that for the last couple years that you saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that you were going to see photos of one guy, maybe being at the casino the night before the game, another guy out at upstairs pub, 25 minutes before tip off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you're going to see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there might be some discipline reinstilled in the program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And just provide actual like excitement to wear the Indiana uniform.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's going to mean something to these guys to represent the school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have Tucker playing for his dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to mean something to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's playing at the highest level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's started his career to break and now he's
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[SPEAKER_01]: arguably going to be the best player on Indiana University's basketball team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a huge pride point for for a kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got Wilkerson coming up from Sam Houston State.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not recruited until other teams needed him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got completely overlooked for three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's here to maybe show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, guys, I was this good all along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: some good news is they're getting healthy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Doran will be on the line up tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't been able to see him lay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot of good film from his time at Elon, but we haven't seen him on the court and in Indiana uniform just yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like he's going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be available to actually get some minutes tomorrow night because he's going to have to play on Sunday
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into the national burn and the hopefully what's going to be a lot a little bit of a lot outside of game tomorrow.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's be real.
23:45
[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned all those factors, Mike, and I think the biggest thing for me and probably for a lot of IE fans is that I think you finally have some people in their at least right now and we could eat our words.
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[SPEAKER_02]: running this program that are personable with the fan base, embrace the fan base for what it is, and are likable people.
24:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Woodson is not a likable coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never thought he really was to start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People can gas him up because he may have done things a little different, and you know, maybe stuck his tongue out a couple pictures and
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[SPEAKER_02]: and did all this stuff that you know gets people fired up for a couple of pictures on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But with Darren de Vries, when you're getting reports that he went through the entire restaurant there at his radio show that who's your hangs, where
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[SPEAKER_02]: He goes through the entire thing and shakes everybody's hand, greets everybody, takes pictures with people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the kind of people Indiana won in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the kind of people that, again, personal with the fan base and brace the fan base for what it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's really what it, I think it's a big factor of what it, you know, comes down to is that the fan base really,
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[SPEAKER_02]: can make or break your your tenure at Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's always been like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the expectation that was set by by a guy named Bob Knight back in the 70s when he made Indiana basketball, what it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Basketball in this state, especially at Indiana University, wouldn't be what it is now without guys like Bob Knight and those teams, those national championship teams and the final four caliber teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They
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[SPEAKER_02]: Darren de Vries definitely fifths.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that model with the with the people which is very important I think Tom Creme certainly fit that model with the people the demise of Tom Creme was that I think there are a lot of things that happened behind closed doors that you didn't see and a lot of things that happened behind the scenes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's kind of a but old behind the scenes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was very anal and he could not for the life of being figure out a two three Zone from Syracuse and it, you know, hurt his chances of going to a final four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there, there were a lot of factors there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Archie was who he was the fact that he couldn't even see over the steering wheel before you almost hit me into parking lot that time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Mike Woodson just being as arrogant as
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[SPEAKER_02]: the entire state of Indiana, not a good recipe for success.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Darren DeVries doesn't seem like that right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He seems very normal from what I hear and for what I've seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking forward to him being our head basketball coach.
26:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to, I think it's good, Grant, like you talked about with this new regime and making outreach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get the sense that Darren DeVries and Scott Dolson to some degree,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they they understand that Indiana isn't going to get by on just being Indiana right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've sucked for eight years.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've done everything they can do to alienate the fanbase.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've done everything they can do to lose its fingerprint on the state of Indiana.
27:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hate to say it because of where I live and and you guys can probably speak to a little bit
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once you get to a caramel Westfield, you're in Purdue country at this point.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was never like that before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was in college, Purdue started in maybe Lebanon or Frankfurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You had the region, but from South Bend through Fort Wayne, it wasn't Purdue country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kids in North of Indianapolis now, they don't know that Indiana was ever good.
27:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But they've seen Zach Edy play in the national championship game in the last two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to go to the Matt Pader basketball game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to see trade costman run.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And once you come down, I 65 and you hit in a highway 50, I'll say and see more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get south of there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Louisville country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's big blue country, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Indiana fans anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're kidding yourself if you think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just a multitude of Indiana fans south of Austin, Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of blue flags flying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that they're the worst things about living down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true though, and what argument do you have for somebody be like, oh, Indiana's better than Louisville, what the hell are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the two years of the kidney pain era, where they sucked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've played in national championship games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've played in final fours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: even the ones that don't count, they played in others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kentucky, Kentucky hasn't had a calipari had his hiccups, but he was still recruiting at the highest level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody's ever recruited in college basketball and won a national championship in the last decade to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How many final fours did he make?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Indiana has done everything it can do to lose its,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's recreating on the fans on the fans it's it's regionalized itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a national brand anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to read unfortunately and they've done things to make outreach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the attend and I'm in again, stupid Indiana and letting this third party run the freaking exhibition because if you'd played that in Bloomington.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you probably would have had an actual draw of fans there, but look at how many people were at the stick and bailer game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, one of the most sparsely attended events and and a game bridge fieldhouse in the last year I've heard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, did me on ice might about drawing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but the girls basketball are finaled out through it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just that that's absurd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're younger and we we give you a hard time about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Greg think about Indiana playing like IUPY A market square arena and how many fans that would have even drawn back in the 90s?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No chance it wasn't so up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at 15,000 Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Indiana's playing another division one program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's an exhibition, but there was like, you're not talking about tens of thousands of people there.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking like 253,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see what the final attendance was.
30:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Real quick, Mike, just just to go on your point here, you're completely right about the sellout.
30:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I know
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I've read books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen the videos and here's what it can tell you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana with Bob and I used to host who in these tournaments, two of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Indian Classic in Bloomington.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they wanted more fans that they went to either market square arena or when it was built the who's your domes slash RCA dump for another in season classic the who's your the who's your classic or whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and that draws a bunch of fans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is unbelievable the amount of fans that just don't give a crap anymore about Indiana basketball because they'd be there all died out or they're too old and they don't care or probably maybe something we're not factoring in or our ticket prices, but that's neither here nor there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the thing that did you know, I absolutely let that third party run the event and to get in the door was like $90 this isn't about, it's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why the cold down where the Colts were the Colts in town that day yeah, yeah, they were playing the Titans that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Colt in NFL Sunday for an exhibition game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is like stuff that we make front of the W in VA for doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Playing their finals on an NFL Sunday and he has played an exit and even this week when the rest of the world is ready to watch college basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Indiana doesn't tip off till a few at this point it feels like a month it's only been three days but you're already behind the people already tired of the newness of the season you've missed out on the first two days of the year it it's so weird to me they did a good job this off season they did the fan events they're trying to at least wouldn't back the student population right now
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they've got a ways to go to recreate what didn't be in a basketball used to mean in the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could take a Roman Allen Henderson graduated.
33:03
[SPEAKER_01]: He went down and they played some sort of like barn storming of it and at Meyer Jim and Scott's bird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meyer Jim, first of all, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't been there, one of the coolest Jims you're ever going to see in the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't get in the door.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because people were there to see Alan Henderson play one more time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in middle school.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think when this event's going on and I'm begging my parents about sisters or somebody to take me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, we're not going to get into that thing.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We tried to get in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As my origin, different than the pressure cooker down there.
33:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same, Jim.
33:44
[SPEAKER_02]: OK. Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard of the Bradford cooker.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm telling you, if Tray Galloway had the deal, went to play a game at Scott'sburg after last season, Luke Goody, you might get five, 600 people, 1200 people at top, you'd been cool to see these guys play, but there would have been no like enthusiasm for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have just been like, oh yeah, I've seen these guys on TV, let's go watch them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as we all want to go get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's like around the time when allford was still playing at Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They played the the exhibition there at the fieldhouse in Newcastle and again, allford's defense was so bad that he finally had a steel and night stopped the game to go out and mark on the floor where the steel occurred because his defense was just according to night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So horrific.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the same thing again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Indiana would probably sell out every high school gym in Monroe County, but they'd have problems going just 20 minutes up the road and get a lot of people there at Martinville or get a lot of people down the road there at that big gym in Bedford.
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[SPEAKER_02]: where it's Purdue is selling out exhibition games against the University of Indianapolis for God's sake.
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[SPEAKER_02]: An exhibition game against UND, that game is sold out there, it's not a ticket available on Purdue's website to get in the door at Mackie Arena for an F and Exhibition game against a D-2 team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana, an exhibition game, I've been to it against Marion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: hat night first first ever game as the head coach at Marion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't even get fight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't even get five to seven thousand people in assembly all.
35:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's unbelievable.
35:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody gives a rat to about Indiana any more unfortunately.
35:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're paying for it and you're right to go to originally circle back to what brought us to this Scott Nolson even Darren de Vries.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This even rubs off on other programs too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just cannot be Indiana any more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It has to be beyond Indiana's reputation
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[SPEAKER_02]: of what it was back in 1987, because 1987 was a long damn time ago now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This year is already 50 years since the undefeated team in 1976.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, 50 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when it was like 35 or 40 years ago, it wasn't even that long ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So times flying, and Indiana needs to get with 2025 and not be
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[SPEAKER_02]: 1887 anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll hopefully with the Darren DeVries era, beginning on Wednesday, we start to get with the times and don't get stuck back in 1987.
36:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a really, really interesting test case and it'll never be done because I don't think that the schools would allow it to happen,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Indiana did a barnstorming tour after the season with its grads and they took these guys out and they played like a local team or something and they went to New Albany High School and said you guys played at IUS which isn't a huge gym.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that Indiana would get a sellout crowd at that
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: If Kentucky went to New Albany, which is a huge idiot of high school gym with its players that are moving on from the program and did it in the state of Indiana.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't get into that in the doors of that place.
37:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Greg, do you think I'm wrong?
37:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Not even a little.
37:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is infuriating as an IU fan.
37:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's humiliating as an IU fan to admit it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's 100% accurate plus they're the worst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their fans are the absolute worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Grand if we're not going to go game by game here, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: The best case scenario, if you look at Indian schedule and maybe worst case scenario, I think their best case scenario for the year is a 22 win season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How high do you think is the ceiling for this team?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you hit the nail on the head right there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's no question and got to be 22 wins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 22 in 12, you get into the NCAA tournament as an 8 or 19, maybe you're playing in
38:49
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, just to be in the tournament after the last few years, maybe when it game is best case scenario, dream scenario for Indiana and it's first year with a new head coach, make the second weekend of the NCAA tournament.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Play in this fleet six.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you get to relevant.
39:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you get to relevant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only way to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make a tournament run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: do something that makes people look at the screen and be like Indian still plan.
39:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
39:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because going out, maybe make a date and maybe plan.
39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wyoming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beating them and then getting the doors blown off by, I don't know, St. Mary's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't going to do much for the long-term health of your program.
39:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Having a good season drawn a foreseed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: winning your first game and then absolutely getting obliterated by somebody like I don't know my amy doesn't really do a lot for the long-term health of your program you're right just go on a damn run yeah when some games you're not supposed to win get the fan base excited play an exciting brand and and most the most important thing and this is something that i don't and please i can't believe i'm gonna say this on something that's being recorded
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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Painter has established a hell of a culture up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: produce a culture program.
40:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You go there.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You play your ass off.
40:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You defend.
40:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You you you you you stick around.
40:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You you don't play for ego.
40:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And you get rewarded for it in the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why they will win the championship this year.
40:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, we're we're
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to ignore historical evidence to that.
40:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand, but I've never picked a natural champion correctly.
40:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, you're good.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like me and a Derby winner.
40:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I love a need of basketball.
40:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the team and the program that I followed the longest period of my life.
41:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm an old fat guy at the point.
41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you lose me, when watching a game feels like a job,
41:14
[SPEAKER_01]: to some degree.
41:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I feel for most of the artier and a lot of the Mike Woods in era.
41:20
[SPEAKER_01]: When you start to lose guys like me, what hope do you have for I'm just going to throw out Avery Hutsle, a 14 year old kid who has done nothing that watch Duke Houston Purdue.
41:34
[SPEAKER_01]: All these teams win.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: He saw Purdue lose to that
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't going to be a Purdue love fest.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I've already said by one which line up Purdue.
41:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That's 16 seed.
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah, that's right.
41:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the not the not the not the 15 seed they lost you are the 14 seed they lost to we're not talking about those games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He saw them lose to the 16 seed.
42:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was on a date that night.
42:06
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, when Purdue lost I almost felt like I think I'm going to marry this girl one day.
42:12
[SPEAKER_01]: did you?
42:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd one hundred percent did not.
42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought that was the universe telling me, yeah, you found the one.
42:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You went on a date with her Purdue lost a 116 game.
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Where'd you go?
42:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we went to a really, really nice restaurant called Gramma Grossa down here in Louis, so any good.
42:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey man, what I want to, what, when I want to take Susie out on the date, the first thing I do is ask cuts or where's the best place to go.
42:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
42:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about undefeated seasons at 76, I've never lost a food recommendation.
42:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody who asks me, anybody who ever asks me for a restaurant wreck, if I give it to them, they will taste me back with like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You fucking nailed it, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great work.
43:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much to Grant and Mike for doing the double IU report this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really appreciate their time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you so much for listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Grant mentioned early in the podcast, we will be back on Wednesday night with a reaction to the Indiana Alabama ANM game.
43:24
[SPEAKER_00]: On Friday, we will preview the IU Penn State football game.
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: On Saturday, we will react to the IU Penn State football game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on Sunday, we will react to the IU Market Basketball game, which cuts all the way in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it might be a little later than normal, because he's going as a fan, not as a reporter, but we will be back Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.