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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three
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Speaker 1: I am Chad Moman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by my co host, my companion,
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Speaker 1: my Campadre, my BFF professional better Simon Hunter. Hello, so ointment.
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Speaker 2: Hello Chad. How you doing? Brother?
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Speaker 1: I feel kind of great. You know. I was in
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Speaker 1: the city for the past two days, and I got
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Speaker 1: home last night and I was sitting on the couch
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Speaker 1: enough from watching yet another season of Arrested Development to
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Speaker 1: talk about how excited I am that we're getting to
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Speaker 1: the star of the season every year in August. You
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Speaker 1: might feel this way too as a professional Better, Like,
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Speaker 1: I feel like we are on the precipice of falling
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Speaker 1: apart until these games start. Like everyone is so antsy,
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Speaker 1: everyone is so ready, everyone is so excited, Like we
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Speaker 1: annual NFL Division Preview series. We are discussing the Nfcwash,
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Speaker 1: which I'm psyched about because you have said all offseason
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Speaker 1: the Niners to you have the best roster in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: We are going to put that theory to the test.
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Speaker 1: I will also tell you, Simon, I got a lot
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Speaker 2: It's a sad day when everyone is shocked that someone
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Speaker 2: said the Raiders can go eight to nine. It's dark
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Speaker 2: days right now for the Raiders. But yeah, this this
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Speaker 2: division is gonna be a little different the last division.
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Speaker 2: Right this division actually has some themes that we think
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Speaker 2: can make it to Super Bowl and like the last division,
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Speaker 2: so I'm excited to break this one down. Like you said,
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Speaker 1: episode description. All Right, my enthusiasm, my optimism right now
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Speaker 1: is off the charts. Like fall weather in New York
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Speaker 1: Vim and Vigor. As a reminder, as of said in
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Speaker 1: every one of our division preview episodes, nineteen of the
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Speaker 1: past twenty one seasons, an NFL team has gone from
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Speaker 1: worst to first in its division. Well, it happened in
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Speaker 1: the NFC West last year, first place San Francisco forty
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Speaker 1: nine Ers, last place Arizona Cardinals. Here we go to
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Speaker 1: Sisco San Francisco forty nine Ers right now six to
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Speaker 1: one to win the Super Bowl. Minus one ninety five
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Speaker 1: in the division, eleven and a half is the win total.
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Speaker 1: Their strength of schedule fifteenth most difficult overall, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: appear to be that hard by ranking, but as we've
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Speaker 1: discussed with Warren Sharp, as Chris Raybond has said in
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Speaker 1: the Action Network podcast with Stuckey, which everybody should be
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Speaker 1: listening to, they have one of the worst rested advantages
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Speaker 1: in the league and they have three short week road games.
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Speaker 1: That is not easy. This is a team that historically,
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Speaker 1: as we've already seen in the preseason, will suffer from injuries.
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Speaker 1: Suffer from injuries. Two key players, whether it's McCaffrey, Trent Williams, Debo, whomever,
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Speaker 1: that could have an impact on their ability to reach
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Speaker 1: more than eleven and a half wins. O Line rank
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Speaker 1: twenty four. Surprisingly, we're part of the team only Trent
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Speaker 1: Williams is really the standout. We know there's issues there,
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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter though, like I know, we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about this, but Shanahan's scheme is so good they
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Speaker 1: can get away with a weaker offensive line maybe d
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Speaker 1: line rank second Nick Bosa, Perennial DPOY candidate number three,
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Speaker 1: overall ed rusher Javon Vargrave, Top twenty five, Greater interior alignment.
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Speaker 1: According to PFF, you love this team, You love this roster,
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Speaker 1: super Bowl hangover, he's brought party a manager. Bill Barnwell
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Speaker 1: doesn't think they should pay him big bucks. I don't know, Simon,
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Speaker 1: can we be fading eleven and a half wins with
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Speaker 1: this a Francisco forty nine ers?
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Speaker 2: Even a month ago, I would have said, no, this
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Speaker 2: is this is the perctly built teams. They're ready to
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Speaker 2: go on one last run before it all kind of
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Speaker 2: falls apart. It might be falling apart. Chat like, I
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Speaker 2: know the most important guy on this team, Trent Williams,
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Speaker 2: a man you mentioned. I wish you had brought up
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Speaker 2: that stat. You had this amazing stat last season where
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Speaker 2: we kept fading them when he didn't play, and it
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Speaker 2: was just basically, they're a totally different team. Kyle Shannan
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Speaker 2: team is totally different when he is not on the field,
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Speaker 2: and it's we're talking you know, seven years of data
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Speaker 2: right when he when he first got there, the first
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Speaker 2: thing he did was bring him along from Washington. This
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Speaker 2: is a big deal, Like, this isn't something where you
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Speaker 2: can just say, well, like you, I just told you
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Speaker 2: their offensive line was already really bad talked about. He
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Speaker 2: was the key, like he is the guy that makes
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Speaker 2: it all work. He's the one that he calls all
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Speaker 2: the signs, he knows everything for that defense, for that
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Speaker 2: offensive line. So the fact that he's not in the building,
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Speaker 2: and you know, the fact that if you if you
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Speaker 2: can't you know, understand how big of a deal Brandon
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Speaker 2: a Yuki is to blocking. It's a big deal. Like
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Speaker 2: he's one of the best blocking receivers in football. And
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Speaker 2: then you add to the fact that you know, this
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Speaker 2: guy had over one thousand and four yards and only
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Speaker 2: seventy five receptions. It's crazy, it really is. So you know,
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Speaker 2: this this is a team that right now, if at
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Speaker 2: a top five most important guys on their offensive side
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Speaker 2: of the ball, I would say they're missing number one
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Speaker 2: and number five right now. Like to me, they're they're
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Speaker 2: missing some really important pieces to this offense. And it's
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Speaker 2: Chad you said it were two weeks away, like literally
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Speaker 2: from two weeks mean, Chad will be in New York
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Speaker 2: and it's totally over. So it's it's a big deal.
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Speaker 2: So this is a team that I wanted to be
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Speaker 2: high on and now we might not. You know, not
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Speaker 2: that not that I don't have a dollar invest in
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Speaker 2: this team, but I haven't put a dollar more since
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Speaker 2: August first. Right, this is a team I've just been
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Speaker 2: I took a step back on just because what you
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Speaker 2: just said. Chat because I told you, if they don't
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Speaker 2: have these guys end of the season, now we're dropping
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Speaker 2: them down my list, like they're not, you know, a
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Speaker 2: top four, top five team if they have these two
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Speaker 2: guys out, Like that's such a huge deal to this
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Speaker 2: team where rock Curty needs all these guys to make
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Speaker 2: it work. As great as he's been, he's great because
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Speaker 2: the pieces around him, Like we say, he is a
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Speaker 2: good player, but he needs the pieces around him. And
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Speaker 2: in his career, his huge advantage was he's never lost
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Speaker 2: in his career to anyone in this division. Chef. Again,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound real, people, but that's the truth. Now
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Speaker 2: there is some weakness there, like there is something we
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Speaker 2: can build on with these other teams and try to
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Speaker 2: take advantage of So this went from being a really
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Speaker 2: boring division that we thought it would just kind of
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Speaker 2: kind of be business as usual too. They're all the
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Speaker 2: teams in this division should have some type of hope
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Speaker 2: if this is really how their season is going to start,
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Speaker 2: Because if Trent Williams does come in, you think he's
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Speaker 2: just going to pick right up. The dude's like thirty six.
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Speaker 2: He's gonna need a couple of weeks to get his
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Speaker 2: body right, give his legs back. Same goes with AYUK.
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Speaker 2: So it is a really interesting scenario right now, Chada,
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Speaker 2: where I want to tell people to take their under
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Speaker 2: but I'm a little hesitant too. I'd rather take value
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Speaker 2: other places in this division rather than giving this one out.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, Trent Williams, just so we're clear, there are
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Speaker 1: contract situations with AYUK. There are contract situations with Trent Williams.
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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan as recently as yesterday, less than twenty four
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Speaker 1: hours ago, said he's in contact with Trent Williams. Said
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Speaker 1: he feels like they are getting close to a new
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Speaker 1: deal that will get Trent Williams back into camp and
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Speaker 1: back on the team. But that is a tricky one,
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Speaker 1: and the stat you're talking about was last year. I
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Speaker 1: don't have it in front of me, but this is
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Speaker 1: directionally accurate enough to show his influence. When Trent william
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Speaker 1: and Deebo Samuel were on the field, the Niners were
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Speaker 1: undefeated and winning games by multiple touchdowns. When Trent Williams
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Speaker 1: and Deebo Samuel were not on the field, the Niners
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Speaker 1: were a five hundred team. Like they are. The lynchpins
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Speaker 1: to this offense. What Trent Williams is able to do
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Speaker 1: along the foundational elements of the offensive line with Deebo
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Speaker 1: Samuel can do out of multiple positions, whether there's a
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Speaker 1: wide receiver or at running back. They need both of
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Speaker 1: these guys to make it go. Trant Williams isn't there.
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Speaker 1: That is a huge loss for an offensive line. That
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Speaker 1: is kind of you know, mid as. The kids like
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Speaker 1: to say, it's meh, mid blah whatever.
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Speaker 2: Whatever.
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Speaker 1: The like least enthusiastic, most dismissive face a teenager can give.
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Speaker 1: That is the forty nine Ers offensive line. But here's
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Speaker 1: what gets interesting to me always. I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: a coach in the NFL other than Kyle Shanahan, who
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Speaker 1: there's not a coach in the NFL who enjoys playing
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Speaker 1: with the pieces and is less phased by losing pieces
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Speaker 1: than Kyle Shanahan. His scheme is so good and he
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Speaker 1: is so smart about game planning and building plays like
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Speaker 1: it worries me, but I'm not going to fade him.
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Speaker 1: It makes me less confident they're the best team in
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Speaker 1: the NFC. But he is such a good coach, such
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Speaker 1: a good game planning coach.
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Speaker 2: He is, but used to read a crazy study. He
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Speaker 2: was like a below five hundred coach for most of
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Speaker 2: his career, and we always said it's because he never
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Speaker 2: had his guy at quarterback.
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Speaker 1: He never knows his quarterback and he goes through like
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Speaker 1: this team has just been snake bit with injuries. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how many years has this team been hurt with had
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Speaker 1: a key players injured for linked period of times and
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Speaker 1: then a domino effect, right, Like there have been years
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Speaker 1: where they're playing second thirsteen quarterbacks the entire season. So
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Speaker 1: I give him some benefit of the doubt, like when
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Speaker 1: the team is healthy. He also takes the NFC title
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Speaker 1: games into the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: I agree, But that's that's the problem here though, is
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Speaker 2: that we're talking about a team that the coach that
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Speaker 2: not that he needs things perfect, but he had it
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Speaker 2: perfect right. All the pieces are here right now. It's
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Speaker 2: really the defense. Even if their biggest weakness was the
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Speaker 2: secondary of the quarterback position, even that's been improved. Like
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Speaker 2: it's it's all built for right now. And it feels
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Speaker 2: like they're shooting themselves in the foot chat just not
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Speaker 2: getting these deals done. And the Trent Williams things just
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Speaker 2: mind blowing the fact that he has not been in
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Speaker 2: camp and the season starts in two weeks. It's just
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Speaker 2: it is crazy where I get it. He's older, so
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Speaker 2: it's like, well, they weren't going to push him that
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Speaker 2: hard anyway. He needs to get his body right, Like
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Speaker 2: even when I think Jason Kelsey was talking about it,
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Speaker 2: like you need to be in camp, you need to
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Speaker 2: get those football players underneath their belly because it just
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Speaker 2: gets you back into that rhythm. So he was saying
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Speaker 2: when he got older, Kelsey said, it takes a minute
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Speaker 2: to get his body right and get back into that
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Speaker 2: football shape. Like we said, Chad, the guy has less
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Speaker 2: than two weeks. I mean, okay, we hop off the
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Speaker 2: show he signs. Maybe I'll be like, Okay, I can
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Speaker 2: see why you want to take their over and maybe
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Speaker 2: take their division, but we're going to go through this
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Speaker 2: division here, these different teams. I think this is the
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Speaker 2: best this division's been and I don't know, five six years,
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Speaker 2: so it's the worst possible year for this team to
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Speaker 2: kind of be coming in a week. That's why I'm
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Speaker 2: just sounding the alarm here because it is such a
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Speaker 2: big deal. Yeap.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Rams, because the Rams
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Speaker 1: continue to be one of those teams that I think
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Speaker 1: you and I are impressed by and for some reason,
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Speaker 1: have been the last two seasons undervalued in the market.
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Speaker 1: Rams thirty to one to win the Super Bowls plus
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Speaker 1: three point thirty to win the division. Season win totals
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Speaker 1: eight and a half. Strength of schedule. Again, strength of
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Speaker 1: schedule is based on the projected win loss totals for
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Speaker 1: the season of their opponents, based on what oddsmakers are
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Speaker 1: saying sixteenth, most difficult O line rank sixteenth, really really
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Speaker 1: strong run blocking unit. Kevin Dotson second highest rated overall
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Speaker 1: guard according to Pro Football Focused in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 1: got a massive new contract. D line ranks twenty three. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: the loss of Aaron Donald huge impact on the overall
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Speaker 1: skill of this unit. They have loaded up on D
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Speaker 1: line prospects. Right Kobe Turner one of the many second
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Speaker 1: year players who performed brilliantly as a rookie for them
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Speaker 1: last year, along with Kyron Williams, along with Pukin Nakua.
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Speaker 1: He was actually, believe it or not, Kobe Turner top
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Speaker 1: ten on PFF's list of overall interior alignments. So this
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Speaker 1: is a team I think we were super impressed with
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Speaker 1: their draft. We've been super impressed with how Sean McVay
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Speaker 1: and the executive staff there have turned this roster around
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Speaker 1: and went from all in got to win the Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl to now coaching young players up. On my mind
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Speaker 1: is over eight and a half.
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Speaker 2: I don't mind it, but it's definitely a team that
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Speaker 2: coming into the year I was gonna be really high on.
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Speaker 2: And not that the Aaron Donald stuff suck there out
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Speaker 2: of the room, but it did a little bit for
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Speaker 2: me chat and then you add in the top that
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Speaker 2: this is most likely Staffs last year for the Rams,
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Speaker 2: Like it seems like they're kind of cooking the books
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Speaker 2: and get ready to kind of you know, not saying
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Speaker 2: they're one of the teams like the Raiders or the
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Speaker 2: Jets who want Dak Prescott, but that's what you year
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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, like these are the teams that have
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Speaker 2: been chatting that you know, that's the plan for next year,
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Speaker 2: right is trying to go after Dak. And it sounds crazy,
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Speaker 2: but they turned Stafford's deal into one year deals. So
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Speaker 2: I don't want to make it sound like it's all
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Speaker 2: good for the Rams, like this is by far the
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Speaker 2: best team, the second best team this division. I fought
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Speaker 2: that last year. This year it's a little different, like
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Speaker 2: I actually do like again we're gonna do. I like
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Speaker 2: the Seawk, I like Arizona. So it's it's easy to
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Speaker 2: see this team. You know, some people think they can
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Speaker 2: win it. I also could see this team being the
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Speaker 2: last place team in this division, like a lot of
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of options on the table for this
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Speaker 2: team right now, and it's all because of the unknown,
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Speaker 2: Like the fact they lost, you know, they did your DC.
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Speaker 2: That's I want to act like it's not a big deal,
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Speaker 2: But there's a reason he got that job in Atlanta.
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Speaker 2: Like he took a young group of guys last year
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Speaker 2: and turned them into something special. Now he's gone, and
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Speaker 2: we still believe in Sean McVay, right, that's the whole
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Speaker 2: point of betting this line right now. It's like I
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Speaker 2: didn't bet them last year because I knew Puka was
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Speaker 2: gonna be this incredible sleeper. It was like, Okay, I
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Speaker 2: had Stafford and I had you know, McVeigh at six
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Speaker 2: and a half wins. That was crazy to me. I
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Speaker 2: was getting butchered for I don't know nine weeks. They
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Speaker 2: were three and six and like literally it was never
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Speaker 2: any amount of people just just killing me. They went
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Speaker 2: seven to one end of the season like this. That's
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Speaker 2: how you want your better teams to be, right. It
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Speaker 2: takes them in to get going then once they figure
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Speaker 2: it out. I mean Stafford had them rolling on offense
19:39
Speaker 2: like they were so good towards the end of the year.
19:40
Speaker 2: He was barely even passing the ball. They could just
19:42
Speaker 2: run the ball down your throat and there was nothing
19:44
Speaker 2: you could do, so eight and a half chat, I'll
19:46
Speaker 2: bet it with you. I like their over and it's
19:48
Speaker 2: like an overwill take just because if he does stay
19:52
Speaker 2: healthy Stafford, how do they not get to this number?
19:55
Speaker 2: Like this is one of the best offenses in football,
19:57
Speaker 2: And yeah, their defense is really young, but it's we're
19:59
Speaker 2: not relying on them to win us games, right. But
20:02
Speaker 2: the biggest issue at the end of the day, the
20:04
Speaker 2: reason I won't tell you about the Super Bowl future
20:07
Speaker 2: is just because Aaron Donald. Like I wish people could
20:11
Speaker 2: understand why, Like because again people just trying to watch
20:13
Speaker 2: a film like that. Why people in football just hype
20:15
Speaker 2: this man so much? But like, Aaron Donald to me
20:18
Speaker 2: is the best football player I've seen in my life.
20:20
Speaker 2: Like I didn't see Lawrence Taylor play like I just
20:24
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald to me. Anytime I put the tape on
20:26
Speaker 2: the Rage, the control Raged. He played with fighting through
20:29
Speaker 2: three to you know, two to three different blockers to
20:31
Speaker 2: get to the quarterback and he do it was just
20:34
Speaker 2: like incredible. Now that's gone. What I love. Two cha.
20:36
Speaker 2: I saw they still have his locker untouched, so they're
20:39
Speaker 2: still opening he comes back, which you know, my tune
20:42
Speaker 2: might change if he does come back. Mid season. But
20:45
Speaker 2: you know right now this is a team that there's
20:46
Speaker 2: other teams in this division. I'd rather put Super Bowl futures
20:49
Speaker 2: on than the Rams, just because you know there's there's
20:52
Speaker 2: too there's too many little questions right now in their
20:54
Speaker 2: defense for me to really get behind them long term.
20:57
Speaker 1: I feel like Aaron Donald had one of the most
21:05
Speaker 1: perfect NFL careers. I'm not sure what the comp is
21:11
Speaker 1: for other sports in the modern era. Steph Curry is
21:16
Speaker 1: having something similar I think to Aaron Donald, in that
21:20
Speaker 1: you are synonymous with one team, you win your title,
21:26
Speaker 1: you are readily acknowledged at the best at your position,
21:29
Speaker 1: you are readily acknowledged as a transformative player, you are
21:35
Speaker 1: beloved by a franchise, and then you get out. And
21:43
Speaker 1: he did it in a modern era where there is
21:46
Speaker 1: so much changeover made so much money. It's easier to
21:50
Speaker 1: do it when you're George Brett or Walter Payton, or
21:55
Speaker 1: even a little bit Barry Sanders like to do it
21:58
Speaker 1: the way that he has done, or a guy like
22:00
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, those are the two things that that's the
22:03
Speaker 1: guy who immediately comes to mind. We're in an age
22:06
Speaker 1: of transition, an age of being able to move because
22:09
Speaker 1: of the money when you were at the top of
22:12
Speaker 1: your game. It's just amazing that he did what he
22:16
Speaker 1: did and got out the way he did and.
22:18
Speaker 2: In his prime like he was. I think he was
22:20
Speaker 2: the third highest graded the tackle in football last year.
22:23
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, we all
22:25
Speaker 2: know how much work these guys put in, and he
22:27
Speaker 2: just said, like, I don't got the love for it anymore,
22:31
Speaker 2: Like he doesn't. That's what made him so special is
22:33
Speaker 2: he loved the work, like he was just putting so
22:35
Speaker 2: much work in the off season. He said, she's the
22:38
Speaker 2: off season hit. He realized, like, I just don't love
22:40
Speaker 2: the grind anymore. So, Yeah, it's it's honestly, if you're
22:43
Speaker 2: a football fan, it's a it's sad, sad day to
22:46
Speaker 2: think about him not playing football this year. It's just
22:48
Speaker 2: one of the all time greats and now he's just going.
22:52
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan. It's the eternal question, who would
22:58
Speaker 1: you rather have coaching your team?
23:01
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we talk all the time head to head,
23:04
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. He owns McVeigh right, ched. I mean we
23:07
Speaker 2: always talk whenever they play. We like to take whoever
23:11
Speaker 2: the dog is in the matchup, and you know historically
23:15
Speaker 2: we've covered but the team that's the dog just does
23:19
Speaker 2: not win, Like whoever's the favorite usually wins these matchups.
23:22
Speaker 2: So yeah, if I had to pick one, I'm with you.
23:27
Speaker 2: Though McVay has got the jewelry. I just there's something
23:29
Speaker 2: about that Kyle Shanahan run blocking scheme. I just can't
23:32
Speaker 2: get away from it.
23:33
Speaker 1: It is so weird, right because if you look at it,
23:37
Speaker 1: Kyle Shannan has a lot of guys who have gone
23:39
Speaker 1: on to be NFL coaches from his staff. Sean McVay, basically,
23:46
Speaker 1: you shook the guy's hand at some point in your
23:49
Speaker 1: coaching career for about four years there you were getting
23:52
Speaker 1: a job as a coach in the NFL, Right, And
23:56
Speaker 1: I do think there's something that feels the term of
24:02
Speaker 1: the moment, if you're paying any attention to politics, I'm
24:07
Speaker 1: not making a political statement. Is joy. There's something joyful
24:12
Speaker 1: about the way Sean McVay coaches, something enthusiastic that feels
24:17
Speaker 1: different than sort of the very business like approach you
24:22
Speaker 1: get from Kyle Shanahan. Even in like the way you
24:25
Speaker 1: see them communicate with their teams. You've seen you know,
24:28
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes or the hard knocks with Sean
24:31
Speaker 1: McVay and the way he's communicating with the Rams. And
24:34
Speaker 1: we've seen some of the behind the scenes stuff from
24:36
Speaker 1: the Receiver show on Netflix with Kittle and Samuel and
24:40
Speaker 1: the way Kyle Shanahan communicated with his players. I don't
24:43
Speaker 1: doubt his players love them, but it just feels like
24:45
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more boyish enthusiasm with Sean McVay.
24:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one.
24:53
Speaker 1: I wonder if I'd rather play for Sean McVay than
24:55
Speaker 1: Kyle shann I do, like I wonder if I think
24:57
Speaker 1: Kyle shann is a genius, He's going to alway, He's
25:00
Speaker 1: put me in a position to succeed no matter the situation,
25:04
Speaker 1: unless it's overtime in the Super Bowl. Oh what I
25:06
Speaker 1: read a play for Sean McVay, who's clearly great at coaching,
25:10
Speaker 1: but also just might make it ten percent more fun.
25:14
Speaker 2: Would you take the Rams over?
25:15
Speaker 1: And now, Yeah, I totally would. Yeah, because of Matthew Stafford.
25:20
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I think about what C. J.
25:21
Speaker 1: Straus said.
25:22
Speaker 2: I'm saying and I feel like.
25:25
Speaker 1: You said this, and this is stuck in my head
25:26
Speaker 1: for two years now, we were underestimating how great Matthew
25:30
Speaker 1: Stafford is, and I think we have now seen because
25:33
Speaker 1: he was injured and then came back, and this team
25:35
Speaker 1: got so much better when he's on, He's on in
25:38
Speaker 1: any kind of system, and with the talent that they
25:40
Speaker 1: have Cooper Cup, Puka naku A, Kyron Williams, you know
25:44
Speaker 1: that is a good offensive team with a lot of confidence.
25:48
Speaker 1: And I keep thinking about what C. J. Shroud said, like,
25:50
Speaker 1: if there's one guy he's watching, it's Matthew Stafford that
25:53
Speaker 1: says everything to me.
25:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I mean I again, people know my
25:57
Speaker 2: love for this Rams team. I wish I was higher
25:59
Speaker 2: on them. It's just I have to take a step back.
26:03
Speaker 1: Yep, I get it. I get it all right. So
26:06
Speaker 1: you mentioned Seattle sixty five to one to win the
26:09
Speaker 1: Super Bowl plus seven hundred to win the Division. Seven
26:13
Speaker 1: and a half is the win totals, strength the schedule
26:16
Speaker 1: fifteenth easiest O line rank thirty one, loaded with backups,
26:23
Speaker 1: D line of rank seventeen. But I do think it's
26:27
Speaker 1: to me, it's seventeen. And if you've got arrows next
26:31
Speaker 1: to it, it's a green arrow pointing up because I
26:34
Speaker 1: think this unit has a lot of potential because of
26:35
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's scheme. But I was surprised to say you're
26:39
Speaker 1: high on Seattle. I know we're going to get to Arizona,
26:42
Speaker 1: but I'm surprised to say you're high on Seattle. I
26:44
Speaker 1: didn't have that in our in our sort of cool.
26:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm high in that. I thought they're gonna be
26:52
Speaker 2: the worst team in football coming to this season. I
26:55
Speaker 2: was like all in on fading this team, and luckily
26:59
Speaker 2: someone spoke to me just about what you just said,
27:01
Speaker 2: Mike McDonald, where it's like I should give this guy
27:04
Speaker 2: more credit for what he did with the Ravens last year.
27:07
Speaker 2: Like he was an incredible defensive schemer. He put all
27:10
Speaker 2: his players in the best positions they could possibly be in,
27:12
Speaker 2: and even that playoff loss that was not on him,
27:15
Speaker 2: Like he did really well against that Chiefs team in
27:18
Speaker 2: the playoffs.
27:18
Speaker 1: We all know what that playoff loss was about.
27:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I hated this team coming to the
27:26
Speaker 2: season just because Chad just said, you have Gino Smith
27:29
Speaker 2: behind arguably one of the worst offensive lines of football.
27:31
Speaker 2: To me, that screams disaster, right, Chad, Like, I don't
27:35
Speaker 2: know how they're going to make that work. But now
27:37
Speaker 2: you're gonna mix in. They have such a great mind
27:39
Speaker 2: on defense where it's like, okay, maybe they'll just play
27:42
Speaker 2: super smart conservative, like they can make it work. Can
27:46
Speaker 2: they win this division? No, But we got a team
27:50
Speaker 2: coming up that might be able to. But this isn't
27:52
Speaker 2: the team I'm really gonna bet large futures on just
27:55
Speaker 2: for them winning the division. But it is a team that,
27:57
Speaker 2: you know, I do have him at seven wins the
27:59
Speaker 2: or over runner seven and a half. Thankfully I'm towards
28:01
Speaker 2: the under. I don't mind if they're a little on
28:04
Speaker 2: the over here. Again, I just like this division. It's
28:06
Speaker 2: like I can see it breaking the right way for
28:08
Speaker 2: them that you know, if it's Sam Howard, you know
28:10
Speaker 2: Smith that quarterback. They have the weapons, like we talked about,
28:13
Speaker 2: they have really good guys on the outside. It's just
28:16
Speaker 2: what are we gonna get from this offensive line. It's
28:18
Speaker 2: like that's the biggest question, or that's why I can't
28:21
Speaker 2: bet them to win this division because it's like, even
28:24
Speaker 2: if I'm running the perfect simulation of the perfect world
28:27
Speaker 2: where everything breaks right for them, I never had them
28:29
Speaker 2: breaking eleven wins, and I think you need to have
28:31
Speaker 2: over eleven wins to win this division. So this is
28:34
Speaker 2: the team I am really excited about. But that's the biggest,
28:37
Speaker 2: the biggest fear right now. It's just the old line,
28:39
Speaker 2: like you're one of the worst in football. It doesn't
28:42
Speaker 2: look like there's anything on the horizon. Look, there's no
28:44
Speaker 2: guys out there that could add or trades they can
28:47
Speaker 2: make to really improve it. At this point, it is
28:48
Speaker 2: what it is right So to me, this is the
28:51
Speaker 2: team that we're gonna learn really quickly by October kind
28:54
Speaker 2: of what their identity is, what their personality is, are
28:56
Speaker 2: their new head coach and if he is the savior
28:58
Speaker 2: of with this defense, because you like, they got the guys,
29:01
Speaker 2: Like on defense, they do have a lot of really
29:03
Speaker 2: good pieces, even to the secondary. It's like they've been
29:06
Speaker 2: drafting for the secondary the last couple of years and
29:09
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, now you have you have the players,
29:11
Speaker 2: you have the first round picks. You just needed the
29:14
Speaker 2: teacher to come in and kind of make it work.
29:15
Speaker 2: So Pete Carroll got a little bit of a rod deal,
29:19
Speaker 2: but they're much better at where they're at right now,
29:21
Speaker 2: going with a really sharp defensive mind. When the best
29:24
Speaker 2: on football, and they would have been rolling it back
29:26
Speaker 2: with another year of Pete Carroll, which got nothing against Pete.
29:28
Speaker 2: I just think of all the older coaches, I understood
29:31
Speaker 2: the most why they were like, Okay, we need change here.
29:34
Speaker 2: So you know, a ton of pressure on Meg McDonald
29:37
Speaker 2: year one. It could be a total disaster. I mean
29:40
Speaker 2: that's what I really thought it was going to be
29:41
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago. But I've just come around
29:43
Speaker 2: on his coaching style where it's like, now you're gonna
29:45
Speaker 2: have this defense ready every week. They're gonna be on
29:47
Speaker 2: the more prepared teams. The biggest question chat is going
29:50
Speaker 2: to be offensive line and can they keep that quarterback healthy.
29:54
Speaker 1: I really wish Matt Mitchell you might have to find
29:57
Speaker 1: the drop. I believe it was this time last year
30:01
Speaker 1: where Simon Hunter might have declared Jackson Smith and Jigba,
30:07
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett and DK metcalf as the greatest trio of
30:13
Speaker 1: receivers in history. Am I am? I misremembering that?
30:19
Speaker 2: You are? You keep mis remembering the end sentence. Possibly
30:23
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I left myself. Yeah, don't worry, I
30:26
Speaker 2: left myself and out. We went back and looked I
30:29
Speaker 2: left myself and out.
30:30
Speaker 1: So I don't remember any qualifiers. I just remember the
30:36
Speaker 1: enormity of the statement.
30:38
Speaker 4: The phrase he used was arguably the best wide receiver
30:41
Speaker 4: room in history. So arguably was the qualifier. Like saying,
30:46
Speaker 4: you know, buffalo wings are arguably better with ranch versus
30:50
Speaker 4: blue cheese.
30:51
Speaker 3: It's just factually incorrect and it makes you look like
30:55
Speaker 3: kind of an asshole.
30:56
Speaker 2: Well, I just don't because people don't understand because they're
30:58
Speaker 2: up in the middle of nowhere the West Coast. It's
30:59
Speaker 2: like DK is a stud, Tyler Lockett's a stud, and
31:03
Speaker 2: Jim Budd is just I don't know. I loved him
31:05
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, so I.
31:06
Speaker 1: Didn't you're he was great last there's no yeah.
31:09
Speaker 2: But at the end of that I put that on
31:11
Speaker 2: Geno Smith, like he has the weapons, but apparently he
31:14
Speaker 2: does not have the old line.
31:16
Speaker 1: He does not have the old line. It's interesting. We've
31:18
Speaker 1: had so many conversations about coaches in the last two episodes.
31:22
Speaker 1: The literal investment we make in some of them. Right,
31:26
Speaker 1: you talked about Antonio Peers with the Raiders, and you
31:30
Speaker 1: you are making an investment if you bet the over
31:33
Speaker 1: with the Raiders that he is going to be a
31:37
Speaker 1: version of Mike Tomlin, a version of Mike Tomlin who
31:46
Speaker 1: can get so much out of this team. Like we
31:48
Speaker 1: saw at the end of last year, they are not
31:51
Speaker 1: very talented. And although there are incredible hype videos of
31:56
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew working out looking like he's out of the
32:01
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, I don't know that Gardner Minshew is going
32:05
Speaker 1: to turn this team into what we think it can
32:07
Speaker 1: really what we might expect it to be. Over six
32:10
Speaker 1: and a half wins, who knows. You're really investing in
32:12
Speaker 1: Antonio Pearce in his ability to turn that team around.
32:15
Speaker 1: We just said the same thing about Kyle Shanahan. If
32:17
Speaker 1: you're investing in the Niners at over eleven and a half,
32:20
Speaker 1: or even the Rams at over eight and a half,
32:22
Speaker 1: you're investing in the coach's ability to draw out the
32:25
Speaker 1: best of their players with their scheme, being able to
32:28
Speaker 1: overcome injuries, being able to overcome contract holdouts, etc.
32:31
Speaker 2: Etc.
32:33
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, great coordinator at Michigan, great coordinator with Baltimore.
32:38
Speaker 1: That's a huge investment and a huge statement to be
32:40
Speaker 1: able to say I would go over seven and a
32:42
Speaker 1: half because I believe this coach is going to be smart,
32:45
Speaker 1: enough to figure out what to do with his defense
32:46
Speaker 1: and keep them in the game and keep the defense
32:50
Speaker 1: off the field because they're running something conservatively offensively old statement.
32:56
Speaker 2: That's times what I would do, though, it just seems
32:58
Speaker 2: like their identity should be their defense, where it's like
33:01
Speaker 2: they just don't have the pieces yet on offense to
33:03
Speaker 2: really make that their identity.
33:06
Speaker 1: Almost as bold as saying Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf and
33:09
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith in Jigma and Jigma are the greatest trio
33:13
Speaker 1: of receivers in NFL history, not possibly possibly greatest trio
33:18
Speaker 1: of receivers ever. All right, last team in the NFC West.
33:24
Speaker 1: I want to love this team, Yeah, I want to
33:27
Speaker 1: love this team so much. The Arizona Cardinals. One hundred
33:31
Speaker 1: to one to win the Super Bowl plus thirteen hundred
33:35
Speaker 1: to win the Division. Six and a half is the
33:37
Speaker 1: win total seventeenth hardest schedule. This is what started to
33:42
Speaker 1: worry me when I dug in, because you and I
33:45
Speaker 1: like superficially been talking about the Cardinals all off season
33:47
Speaker 1: and a Kyler Murray upswing. And this is when I
33:51
Speaker 1: got scared. All Line rank twenty six, D line rank
33:58
Speaker 1: thirty second. They're only thirty two teams in the NFL.
34:04
Speaker 1: So their pff D line rank heading into the year
34:07
Speaker 1: thirty second. They played so hard last year they were
34:13
Speaker 1: two and five in one score games. I know we
34:17
Speaker 1: all made fun of Jonathan Gannon before the season began
34:22
Speaker 1: last year. He was so awkward socially in those videos
34:25
Speaker 1: when he's meeting Kyler Murray or giving pep talks. But
34:30
Speaker 1: I thought he coached him up and I thought he
34:31
Speaker 1: had them playing hard no matter the circumstance. And even
34:34
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, who had a reputation as being someone who
34:39
Speaker 1: could be aloof, seemed to be invested in working really hard.
34:44
Speaker 1: Keep me on the ledge here.
34:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like the Panthers. The Panthers, we were
34:49
Speaker 2: what we took them at eleven, ten to one, nine
34:53
Speaker 2: to one to come worse the first. That's how I
34:56
Speaker 2: feel about the Cardinals here, Like this is the team
34:58
Speaker 2: that I'm betting that thirteen to one to win this division.
35:02
Speaker 2: It's just a team that could shock the world just
35:05
Speaker 2: because it's all there offensively, Chad like, they got all
35:08
Speaker 2: the pieces they need. They have a defensive coach. I
35:11
Speaker 2: think he'll be able to figure it out on defense.
35:13
Speaker 2: Like do you really think this team's gonna win twelve
35:15
Speaker 2: thirteen games. No, but there is a world where they
35:18
Speaker 2: can do it. Like there is a world where this
35:20
Speaker 2: team can turn around and really have an incredible season.
35:22
Speaker 2: It's like we've seen that time and time again, and
35:24
Speaker 2: it happened in the football right. The team gets in
35:27
Speaker 2: the right scenario with the right offensive pieces and they
35:29
Speaker 2: can make it work. And that's how I feel here.
35:31
Speaker 2: Like the fact they took marmon Aris Junior is my
35:34
Speaker 2: favorite draft pick up the whole draft. Like I love
35:37
Speaker 2: they could have traded out right, they could have traded back,
35:40
Speaker 2: maybe got a couple of D lineman Chad. Instead, they
35:44
Speaker 2: went for the once in a lifetime generational talent, which
35:46
Speaker 2: I want teams to do. It's like you get the guy,
35:48
Speaker 2: you get your Larry Fitzgerald. Now they're good, hopefully for
35:52
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years at the wire position with marmon
35:54
Speaker 2: Aris Junior. And you know McBride the tight end and
35:57
Speaker 2: no one talks about this guy is an absolute stud.
36:00
Speaker 2: If you look down the stretch, he's one of the
36:01
Speaker 2: best tight ends in all football. And Kyler Murray loved
36:04
Speaker 2: using him, like he felt comfortable throwing to this guy.
36:06
Speaker 2: So you know, we got Kyler year two after the
36:09
Speaker 2: ACL injury, right, I believe that's what he injured. It's
36:12
Speaker 2: a big deal, like we should see him back to
36:14
Speaker 2: his old running self and I mean being Chad's worst
36:17
Speaker 2: lost of our lives. I think it was on the Raiders.
36:19
Speaker 2: We had the Raiders against Arizona. I believe they are up,
36:22
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen, with a couple of minutes to go,
36:25
Speaker 2: and Arizona comes all the way back and Kyler Murray
36:27
Speaker 2: ran the length of two football fields on the two
36:30
Speaker 2: point conversion and just found a guy in the back
36:32
Speaker 2: of the end zone. Like that's that's what we're hoping here.
36:34
Speaker 2: It's like this kid does have magic. There's a reason
36:37
Speaker 2: he was a number one pick, you know, there's a
36:39
Speaker 2: reason that he's still the guy for this team. And
36:41
Speaker 2: when I talked to you know, different people that are around
36:44
Speaker 2: the team and read stuff by the beat writers, it
36:46
Speaker 2: seems like it seems like Chad that he's gotten over,
36:50
Speaker 2: you know, his childish stuff of leaving early to go
36:52
Speaker 2: play video games. It seems like he's growing up where
36:55
Speaker 2: he is the first guy in, last guy out, which
36:58
Speaker 2: I know it sounds corny, but to me, that's such
36:59
Speaker 2: a big deal when you're the quarterback, like you're setting
37:01
Speaker 2: the example. If you're not working the hardest, what's the point,
37:06
Speaker 2: Like you're the guy, like you know, at the end
37:08
Speaker 2: of the day, all that matters is how hard, how
37:10
Speaker 2: much execution, how much preparedness this quarterback has. And I
37:15
Speaker 2: feel like Kyle Leer's kind of turned that corner. You
37:17
Speaker 2: kind of realize you turn into a little bit of
37:19
Speaker 2: a joke in this league. So I'm just so excited
37:21
Speaker 2: for this team. It sucks too where they're Of all
37:25
Speaker 2: the teams we talked about three four months ago, I
37:27
Speaker 2: felt like this was the most beloved team by most professionals, right, Chad,
37:31
Speaker 2: like even talking Week one, like the pros love them
37:34
Speaker 2: when they're plus seven to seven and a half against
37:36
Speaker 2: the Bills. I think that linees down to six and
37:37
Speaker 2: a half now for Week one. But this is just
37:40
Speaker 2: a team that the professionals love, and I think even
37:43
Speaker 2: these last moments, I've noticed the fantasy football community loves
37:47
Speaker 2: this team now. Right, they do have these guys on
37:49
Speaker 2: offense that they do really love. Even if James Connor
37:52
Speaker 2: goes down. I like the backup trade Benson, like they
37:55
Speaker 2: have good, good pieces all across the offense. You just
37:59
Speaker 2: said the question years what is this defense going to be?
38:02
Speaker 2: Like they gutted this defense and this was a lot
38:05
Speaker 2: of head coach doing it too right, you wanted to
38:07
Speaker 2: make this team there's own identity. You're right, Like, could
38:10
Speaker 2: this team be one of what the worst rush defenses
38:13
Speaker 2: in all football? They could? Like I have them greater
38:15
Speaker 2: right next to the Chargers. I do have as the
38:17
Speaker 2: thirty second worst rush defense. So Arizona could struggle or
38:22
Speaker 2: I could be totally wrong, and the scheme fixes all
38:25
Speaker 2: their weaknesses. Right, That's that's the credible part about football,
38:28
Speaker 2: is the right scheme can fix so many weaknesses. So
38:31
Speaker 2: this is a team I'm extremely high on. And maybe
38:34
Speaker 2: maybe I'm drinking a little bit of or having a
38:36
Speaker 2: little bit of fools goal here, Chad, but I'm just
38:38
Speaker 2: really excited about this team, what they can be and
38:41
Speaker 2: the prospects of getting them at thirteen to one to
38:43
Speaker 2: win this division. Like it just feels like no one's
38:46
Speaker 2: really believing in them, where I don't think they're that
38:48
Speaker 2: far away from this Rams team, Like the difference between
38:51
Speaker 2: those two teams don't feel that different. Where last year
38:54
Speaker 2: at the same exact time, the Rams defense with the
38:57
Speaker 2: thirtieth ranked defense and all the football because they were
39:00
Speaker 2: so young and they gutted that whole team. They turned
39:03
Speaker 2: it around after a year. And that's what again, that's
39:05
Speaker 2: what good coaching can do in this league. It's we
39:08
Speaker 2: talk all the time the difference between the best player
39:11
Speaker 2: on the starting team and the worst bench player on
39:13
Speaker 2: a different team is only that much. Like, that's how
39:16
Speaker 2: incredibly good all these guys in the NFL. I mean,
39:19
Speaker 2: we joke all the time. You take people like, hey,
39:22
Speaker 2: watch the preseason. You're like, literally preseason football. These guys
39:27
Speaker 2: would like the worst preseason team. They would wax Georgia
39:30
Speaker 2: from last year. Like that's the different step up from
39:32
Speaker 2: college football the NFL. So my whole thing in people
39:35
Speaker 2: realizing is that that's how why we talk so much
39:39
Speaker 2: about coaching, because you know, to me, it goes obviously,
39:42
Speaker 2: number one always is gonna be the quarterback, but number
39:44
Speaker 2: two is always the coach. Like when I'm thinking about
39:46
Speaker 2: the most important pieces to different teams, that's always wherey
39:49
Speaker 2: lan And you're right, do I have the most extreme
39:53
Speaker 2: faith in this head coach and uh what he can
39:56
Speaker 2: bring to the table, I don't. I do have questions,
39:59
Speaker 2: but then I go back in. There's certain games last
40:01
Speaker 2: year I watch, I'm just like, he can prepare his
40:04
Speaker 2: team right and scheme right. I mean that Dallas Cowboys game.
40:08
Speaker 2: He was in his bag in that game, like he
40:10
Speaker 2: really knew how to attack Dak because he had seen Dak,
40:13
Speaker 2: you know, multiple times being on the Eagles staff, right,
40:15
Speaker 2: he kind of knew had a rhythm to what to
40:17
Speaker 2: do for putting his team in the best position. So
40:20
Speaker 2: I think he'll run what he did with the Eagles team,
40:22
Speaker 2: which is basically just a prevent defense. It's like, Okay,
40:26
Speaker 2: we'll give up five six yards passing, three four yards rushing.
40:31
Speaker 2: We'll let you guys go all the way down the field.
40:33
Speaker 2: Once we get in the red zone, that's when we
40:34
Speaker 2: clamp down. I think that's exactly the type of defense
40:36
Speaker 2: he's gonna run this year, where it's like they're just
40:38
Speaker 2: gonna let teams kind of run it down the field
40:41
Speaker 2: and then clamp down the red zone. They're gonna trade
40:43
Speaker 2: out score teams, which again I think they have the
40:45
Speaker 2: pieces chat on offense to do it. So Yeah, just
40:48
Speaker 2: like the Panthers, this is another worst the first team.
40:50
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about like, I just really love all
40:52
Speaker 2: the pieces they have there, and I could be a
40:54
Speaker 2: year early. That's the only fear here is I'm a
40:56
Speaker 2: year early just because they do have some holes they
40:59
Speaker 2: need to fill. But I can't help it. I'm just
41:01
Speaker 2: I'm already into it. I'm already so excited for this team.
41:04
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm really hoping bank on Kyler Murray taking
41:07
Speaker 2: that next step, which we all expect he will now
41:09
Speaker 2: that he's putting the work in, he's kind of grown
41:12
Speaker 2: up more. I do believe this team will take another
41:14
Speaker 2: step and you know, shock the world and win this
41:18
Speaker 2: division at thirteen to one.
41:19
Speaker 1: Chad, look, I was laughing a second ago as I
41:23
Speaker 1: put on my glasses and I was looking at my
41:25
Speaker 1: notes because I can't wait when I wrap this up
41:29
Speaker 1: to remind people of some of our favorite bets from
41:34
Speaker 1: our division reviews. And it's so in keeping with how
41:41
Speaker 1: disgusting everything we do inbedding and what we ask of
41:46
Speaker 1: our listeners to do. It's actually astonishing the three teams
41:50
Speaker 1: where if I have notes on this that we are
41:53
Speaker 1: most excited about, we have spent the most time talking about,
41:56
Speaker 1: we have been most enthusiastic about. I wish I wish
42:00
Speaker 1: this could be the show like first Take, where all
42:05
Speaker 1: we do is talk about the Cowboys. I wish it
42:08
Speaker 1: would make everything so much easier. We just can't do it.
42:12
Speaker 1: We're just going to end up investing time in the
42:14
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and that's where the opportunity is. Kyler Murray's
42:17
Speaker 1: growing up. I really hope it's true. Kids do grow up, right.
42:22
Speaker 1: I have a twenty one year old. I have a
42:24
Speaker 1: seventeen year old. If you had told me when they
42:27
Speaker 1: were eleven and seven that they would be what they
42:31
Speaker 1: are today, which is the opposite of completely idiotic boys,
42:37
Speaker 1: I would have been shocked. But they grow up and
42:39
Speaker 1: they get smarter, and they get more mature, and they
42:42
Speaker 1: calm down and they understand their responsibilities and they reprioritize things.
42:46
Speaker 1: It's just what happens, and hopefully Kyler Murray has done that.
42:49
Speaker 1: I was certainly really impressed with how we played last year,
42:53
Speaker 1: how we played in turmoil. Last year. A new situation.
42:57
Speaker 1: He has a number one receiver, first time he's having
42:59
Speaker 1: that other than DeAndre Hopkins, and he really didn't get
43:02
Speaker 1: to play with him as much as he possibly could
43:04
Speaker 1: have because of injuries and here's what does give me
43:06
Speaker 1: hope for this team. Okay, outside their division, they have
43:12
Speaker 1: the Patriots, they have the Commanders, they have the Chargers,
43:18
Speaker 1: they have the Bears, which we know. I believe they
43:21
Speaker 1: will go under their overhyped over expected season win total,
43:27
Speaker 1: which I respect.
43:28
Speaker 2: Is when every time I could don't watch a Hard Knocks,
43:30
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, damn, this team is good. So I
43:32
Speaker 2: respect you're kind of pulling it back because they are
43:34
Speaker 2: a team.
43:35
Speaker 1: Listen, I haven't watched this week's episode yet because I
43:37
Speaker 1: was in the city Tuesday and Wednesday night and got
43:39
Speaker 1: home late last night and my kid was out doing
43:43
Speaker 1: his fantasy draft so he wasn't home and I like
43:45
Speaker 1: to watch.
43:46
Speaker 2: It with him.
43:46
Speaker 1: But and they got the Vikings. That's five winnable games
43:52
Speaker 1: outside the division to me for a team that has
43:54
Speaker 1: six and a half wins, and they could steal one, right,
43:58
Speaker 1: they did it last year. They old games against better teams.
44:01
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of what we're talking about.
44:04
Speaker 2: And they're a team where they have important divisional games
44:07
Speaker 2: early in the year, like you know, they started to
44:09
Speaker 2: hear with Buffalo. That's that's really tough obviously, but then
44:12
Speaker 2: they get to come home and play the Rams, right,
44:14
Speaker 2: and then a couple of weeks later they get to
44:16
Speaker 2: go to the forty nine ers, Like, we're gonna know
44:18
Speaker 2: really early on, this team's gonna be battle tested really early, right,
44:21
Speaker 2: they go Bills Rams Detroit, then they come home there
44:25
Speaker 2: against Washington. Then they're at the forty nine ers and
44:28
Speaker 2: then at Green Bay, Like, we're gonna know really really
44:31
Speaker 2: quick if this was a really dumb better, if this
44:33
Speaker 2: is like a really good team that you know, was
44:35
Speaker 2: slept on by people. So I love how their schedule
44:38
Speaker 2: is because it's like they're gonna get some really good
44:41
Speaker 2: looks at what kind of offense they're gonna be early
44:43
Speaker 2: on against pretty talented defenses.
44:46
Speaker 1: So I was laughing before because I'm looking at my
44:49
Speaker 1: notes from the past what eight episodes of preview of
44:58
Speaker 1: previews for the division. The teams that we have been
45:02
Speaker 1: so enthusiastic about that we've gone all in on that
45:06
Speaker 1: we are begging people to bet Carolina Panthers over in
45:12
Speaker 1: the division, the Las Vegas Raiders over six and a half,
45:18
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals over in the division. The good news
45:24
Speaker 1: is we love the Bengals and we have been on
45:26
Speaker 1: that since early in the offseason, so I do feel
45:31
Speaker 1: pretty good about that we have.
45:32
Speaker 2: Still if you want me to be boring, I think
45:35
Speaker 2: I've told you my biggest bets right now for division.
45:38
Speaker 2: One of them is Detroit that's pretty boring. Another one's
45:41
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, pretty boring, another one's the Eagles, pretty boring.
45:45
Speaker 2: And then the fourth one I guess is a little
45:46
Speaker 2: more exciting is the Jets. I just love that Jets team.
45:49
Speaker 2: So if you're like, I don't want to bet that
45:52
Speaker 2: ugly Simon, I get it. I do have some chalk
45:54
Speaker 2: out there for you guys if you wouldn't just want
45:55
Speaker 2: to go chalk, which I got no issue doing. If
45:57
Speaker 2: I'm going to tie my money for six seven months,
46:00
Speaker 2: go chalk. But if you do love this show, I'm
46:03
Speaker 2: gonna need you to go put a futures on the
46:06
Speaker 2: Panthers and win their division, and go put it futures
46:07
Speaker 2: on the Cardinals. Like that's what we love and makes
46:10
Speaker 2: a show so great. I know it sounds dumb and crazy.
46:13
Speaker 2: Two years ago we gave up the Jags at ten
46:15
Speaker 2: to one to eleven to one to win their division.
46:17
Speaker 2: It came through. So it's like, you know, we're not
46:20
Speaker 2: just blindly making these bets. Not We're not just giving
46:22
Speaker 2: out these fourth place teams all the times. It's like, Okay,
46:24
Speaker 2: there's a little method to this madness, and that's that's
46:27
Speaker 2: what I'm looking for you. It's like, Okay, a team
46:28
Speaker 2: that people are really down from last year that me
46:31
Speaker 2: and Chat think the talent's risen above what people perceive
46:34
Speaker 2: as it has from the previous year. So those are
46:37
Speaker 2: the teams where even this offseason, like every day I'm
46:41
Speaker 2: checking the beat writers down to Carolina because I'm just
46:44
Speaker 2: I can't believe how excited for this Panthers team. But
46:46
Speaker 2: it's like, I just I love buying low on teams
46:49
Speaker 2: when they got a new coach, come in when they
46:51
Speaker 2: have a high draft pick like Bryce Young. So it
46:54
Speaker 2: just fits our criteria of teams we like to bet,
46:56
Speaker 2: and you know, I hope people can get there with us.
46:59
Speaker 2: But I told totally even when you're reading out loud,
47:02
Speaker 2: I totally get if people are just like I can't
47:03
Speaker 2: do it. It's like, you know, at Savior Bank Role,
47:06
Speaker 2: we start some real games in two weeks.
47:08
Speaker 1: And look, we're going to talk about our best bets
47:10
Speaker 1: next week. We're gonna have Kyle, like we said, We're
47:12
Speaker 1: gonna have Stucky and Colin on talking college football Week one,
47:16
Speaker 1: and Simon and I will also have the last episode
47:20
Speaker 1: before we get into NFL season, our best Futures Bets
47:25
Speaker 1: summary of everything, anything we've left off the board. We're
47:29
Speaker 1: definitely going to talk about the rond Robin bets we
47:33
Speaker 1: make of Super Bowl matchups, which I love and will
47:37
Speaker 1: one want to talk about in depth.
47:40
Speaker 2: But we'll try to find another one. We get at
47:43
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill last year, one or two of those as well.
47:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I think we loved, we loved. Uh. I
47:51
Speaker 1: think it was Kayleb Williams over thirty six hundred passing yards.
47:55
Speaker 2: I checked it was thirty thirty two.
47:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just stealing. Had ain't right Even if I
48:05
Speaker 1: have a rational exuberance, which I know, which I don't.
48:10
Speaker 1: All you got to do is watch him roll out
48:12
Speaker 1: fling it like just a flick of the wrist, eight
48:17
Speaker 1: million yards to Roma Dunes against that defense. Oh you
48:22
Speaker 1: know what I wanted to say, here we go. No, No,
48:25
Speaker 1: you made a really good point about bad teams in
48:27
Speaker 1: the NFL. A couple of years ago, my buddy Matt
48:31
Speaker 1: called me and he's like, do you think the and
48:36
Speaker 1: Bama was killing everybody. He's like, I was just having
48:40
Speaker 1: this debate with one of my kids, do you think
48:42
Speaker 1: Bama could beat Jacksonville? And I'm like, that's idiotic. He
48:48
Speaker 1: goes why. I go, let me ask you a question.
48:51
Speaker 1: How many people on the Alabama roster right now will
48:57
Speaker 1: end up playing in the NFL. Say there's an eighty
49:00
Speaker 1: man roster, how many of those guys will play in
49:02
Speaker 1: the NFL. We landed at like, over that four year cycle,
49:09
Speaker 1: maybe twenty five guys, And that would be a lot.
49:13
Speaker 1: So let's say it's that that would be over exaggeration.
49:17
Speaker 1: So then I said to him, to a little bit
49:19
Speaker 1: of a trick, question, how many guys in the Jaguars
49:22
Speaker 1: can play in the NFL? And except how many guys
49:26
Speaker 1: in the Jaguars roster can play in the NFL? He
49:29
Speaker 1: goes out, He goes, I don't know, I go all
49:33
Speaker 1: fifty two of them, You fucking idiot. They're just better
49:36
Speaker 1: football players. They're better, they're stronger, they're faster, they're older.
49:42
Speaker 1: The best of every single college team is playing on
49:46
Speaker 1: the worst NFL team. There's no way a college football
49:51
Speaker 1: team is ever going to beat an NFL team.
49:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, And a joke I always tellt was when I
49:56
Speaker 2: first went to Vegas, I was a runner. I was
49:58
Speaker 2: talking to a guy about the basically exactly what you
50:01
Speaker 2: just said, and he goes, see that guy there, he's
50:03
Speaker 2: probably the third best cornerback in all football. I think
50:05
Speaker 2: he was on either BAMO or LSU at the time.
50:09
Speaker 2: He goes he's going to get drafted by a team.
50:10
Speaker 2: He's going to sit behind a guy that played at
50:12
Speaker 2: Stony Brook and UCLA for two years. Like, you don't
50:16
Speaker 2: get it, Like you're just because you're this big bag
50:17
Speaker 2: dog right now, once you get to the league, you're
50:20
Speaker 2: behind even bigger batter dog. So yeah, that's that's the
50:23
Speaker 2: thing people can't really wrap their head around. That's that's
50:25
Speaker 2: my whole point. Though. It's just coaching so important because
50:28
Speaker 2: all these guys have talent. It's the coaches that can
50:30
Speaker 2: harness the talent put the guys in the best, best situations.
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