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The Gift of Being Apart with Keri Russell · Dear Chelsea

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  Speaker 1: Okay. High and Mighty Tour, guys, is continuing.
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  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh on October 9th. Toronto is October 10th. October 16th
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  Speaker 2: is Boise. Spokane is the 17th. Then San Francisco, November 7th.
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  Speaker 2: And November 13th is Salt Lake. November 20th is Austin,
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  Speaker 2: then Houston, and then Irving. November 20th, November 21st, and
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  Speaker 2: November 22nd, I will be touring Texas. December 5th is Denver.
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  Speaker 2: December 6th, I am shooting my special in Vancouver, Canada.
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  Speaker 2: I have two shows that night. There are tickets available
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  Speaker 2: for the second show. Then I'm going to Palm Beach, Florida,
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  Speaker 2: December 16th by popular demand. Then Hollywood, Florida, December 17th.
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  Speaker 2: And then two shows in Tampa, Florida on December 18th.
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  Speaker 2: So I will see you guys on the road. Come
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  Speaker 2: and see the High and Mighty Tour. I'll give you
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  Speaker 2: some LSD.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Catherine.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Chelsea.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like you're back in L.A. Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: We had a crazy, crazy, fun-filled weekend with nieces and
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  Speaker 2: so many people in so many different cities.
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  Speaker 1: We had so much fun in Atlanta. And then I
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  Speaker 1: did a talk at the Carter Center.
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  Speaker 2: If you guys, if anyone listening lives in Georgia or
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  Speaker 2: near the Carter Center, you need to go there and, like,
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  Speaker 2: hang out there. They're doing wonderful things for mental health,
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  Speaker 2: for disease prevention. It's a nonpartisan organization that my niece, Charlie,
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  Speaker 2: interned at. And so then I became friends with the
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  Speaker 2: woman who gave her her intern and I did a
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  Speaker 2: talk for them on my mental health journey because we,
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  Speaker 2: or saga, that's what we decided we're going to call
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  Speaker 2: it instead of a journey. And then I went out
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  Speaker 2: with Charlie and her boyfriend and all of her friends
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  Speaker 2: and they all came to the show and everyone from
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  Speaker 2: the Carter Center came.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really fun.
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  Speaker 2: Then we went to Baltimore this weekend and then we had,
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  Speaker 2: we went to Saginaw.
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  Speaker 1: That was a really fun show in Saginaw.
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  Speaker 2: And then this weekend we have Pittsburgh and Toronto, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is, Yeah, Toronto should be about sold out.
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh still has tickets. And where are we? Oh, Waukegan,
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  Speaker 1: Illinois on Friday night. No, Thursday night. We're at Waukegan, Illinois.
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  Speaker 2: This is my follow up to my Chicago theater show
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  Speaker 2: because I didn't add one on the same night. So
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  Speaker 2: I had to come back around and then whatever. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming to Waukegan Thursday night. People get your tickets.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be there.
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  Speaker 2: And we're having the time of our life. This is
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  Speaker 2: Yamanika's last weekend on tour, you guys, with me. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to have to do some serious
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  Speaker 2: high and mighty. Today's guest is awesome. One of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite actresses of all time. I love her so much.
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  Speaker 2: I used to wait tables in a restaurant that she
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  Speaker 2: would come in all the time when I moved to L.A.,
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  Speaker 2: but I never got to wait on her table because Colleen,
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  Speaker 2: my very first roommate, who I refer to as Camel Toe, no,
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  Speaker 2: Dum Dum in my first book.
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  Speaker 1: She would only wait on Keri Russell. Did we have.
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  Speaker 3: Colleen on the show like way back in season one?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we did. I think we did.
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  Speaker 2: But she was obsessed with Felicity and Keri was on
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  Speaker 2: Felicity at that time and she was dating Scott Speedman
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  Speaker 2: and they would come into Terry's where we worked, a
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  Speaker 2: restaurant that's no longer there.
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  Speaker 1: So I never got to meet her. And I just,
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  Speaker 1: I think This is the first time I've met her.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: But I've communicated with her a little bit. So, yes,
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  Speaker 2: that's our guest today, Keri Russell, for season four of
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  Speaker 2: The Diplomat.
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  Speaker 3: Which is out next week on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Exciting. That's a great show. Look at how
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  Speaker 1: cute you are. Oh, my God. I just ran because
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  Speaker 1: I was like, just motherfucker. The U.N. is fine.
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  Speaker 4: Are you pleased that you're coming from the U.N.? No,
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  Speaker 4: but like the whole city is, I wish.
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  Speaker 1: But no. Do you wish?
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  Speaker 5: No, I don't wish that.
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  Speaker 1: Here, put your headphones on. When you're ready. When you're ready.
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  Speaker 6: You do.
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  Speaker 1: Do I have to put headphones on? You can put
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  Speaker 1: one on. Can I put one on? Yeah. That's what
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  Speaker 1: the kids do now. Because it makes me self-conscious. Does it?
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  Speaker 1: It does. I don't like to hear my own voice.
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  Speaker 6: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? I love learning. First of all, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know anything about you. Well, here we go. So
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  Speaker 1: here we go. And I have something for you, but
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  Speaker 1: I forgot it. I also have something for you. I
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  Speaker 1: have something for you.
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  Speaker 4: And I forgot it, but I'm going to get it
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  Speaker 4: to you.
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  Speaker 1: How long are you in town for? Till Friday, Saturday morning. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here all weekend. I'm actually staying here all weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I'll get it to you.
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  Speaker 1: You'll get it. I'll get it. This is Catherine, my producer.
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  Speaker 1: She's on the show too.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Catherine.
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  Speaker 1: Hi. Oh, now it's good that I have this so
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  Speaker 1: I can hear Catherine. Yeah, yeah. So you can hear Catherine.
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  Speaker 5: It's for me.
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  Speaker 1: That's primarily what it's for. Hey, Catherine. Hi.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I don't know anything about you is because
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  Speaker 2: no one really knows.
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  Speaker 1: Anything about you. Success. Yes, yes. You are the opposite
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  Speaker 1: of me. You are able to have a very public, well,
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  Speaker 1: what are we calling it? A bibliography? You have a
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  Speaker 1: very public record of work.
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  Speaker 2: Let's call it that, okay? And your private life, one
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  Speaker 2: of the reasons I really admire you, even though I
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  Speaker 2: barely know you, is because you manage to keep your
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  Speaker 2: private life very private.
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  Speaker 1: And you do. You do a very good job of it.
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  Speaker 5: So do you. Well, no, no, no, no. Your private life?
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  Speaker 2: Everything is out in the open with me. It's just
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  Speaker 2: like I may as well be nude all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's basically what's happened. That sounds great.
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  Speaker 2: So I like that. I like that you've been able
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  Speaker 2: to do that. Because you have been in the public
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  Speaker 2: eye since you were a little kid.
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  Speaker 1: I have, yeah. And it's pretty incredible. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to know how you managed.
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  Speaker 5: To do that.
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  Speaker 1: Incredible or creepy?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not creepy. There's nothing creepy about you. I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to embarrass you because I have a feeling
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  Speaker 2: you don't love compliments. But there is something... so extremely
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  Speaker 2: likable about you and affable about you. People are drawn
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  Speaker 2: to you and I'm sure you realize that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think part of the allure is that you
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  Speaker 1: are able to maintain like a grounded, you're very normal.
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  Speaker 2: I've met you before, I've seen you at events and, and,
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  Speaker 2: and you kind of have a public life, but you
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  Speaker 2: do remain private. So I want to know how you
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  Speaker 2: manage that or, and if it's intentional or Or if
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  Speaker 2: it's just.
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  Speaker 1: It is intentional. I mean, I don't have, like, social media.
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  Speaker 1: You're right. That's a good one.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm an actress, so people don't have to know
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  Speaker 4: everything about me. And actually, I think it's better if
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  Speaker 4: people don't know things about me.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Like, I think....
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  Speaker 4: Being an actress or an actor, I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: know everything about them. I want to not know about
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  Speaker 4: them so that I can believe that they're doing that thing.
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  Speaker 4: When I know everything about somebody and then they're trying
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  Speaker 4: to be this person, I'm like, they're not that person.
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  Speaker 4: They make $ 8 million and they're the skincare person.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to pay.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I want people to.
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  Speaker 4: When I watch a movie or something, I want to
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  Speaker 4: disappear into that story. I don't want to be thinking
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  Speaker 4: of what I saw them just like selling me.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm trying to say? Absolutely. But also,
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  Speaker 1: I'm bored with myself. People get bored with me. Of course.
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  Speaker 4: Like I want to disappear and then come back when
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  Speaker 4: I have to and then disappear.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And my real life, you know, my best pals, they're–
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  Speaker 1: They're not famous. You know what I mean? We just
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  Speaker 1: all do our own thing.
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  Speaker 2: How does one meet non-famous people when you've spent your
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  Speaker 2: whole life being famous?
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  Speaker 1: That feels like a special website.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an online dating service for it. Real people.
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  Speaker 1: Real people of Brooklyn. Realpeople.com. Yeah, it's for famous people
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  Speaker 1: to meet real people.
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  Speaker 2: Famous people looking for non-famous friends. Looking for school teachers
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  Speaker 2: or accountants or, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they're like, I don't know, they're coders. One
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  Speaker 1: friend's a coder. One friend is a journalist. They all
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  Speaker 1: do all, Sorts of stuff. And so I met some
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  Speaker 1: of them through school, like my kids' school. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: what I was going to ask.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you're like in first grade and you see
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  Speaker 4: the moms that are like also wearing Vans and like
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  Speaker 4: not wearing like have Chanel bags.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, the Vans mom. That's my people. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 1: That looks like she hasn't brushed her teeth yet.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, who are you?
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  Speaker 2: You know? And at what point in your career do
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  Speaker 2: you think that you realized how like important that was?
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 4: The creepy part is that I've been doing this since
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  Speaker 4: I was 15. I was a dancer. That is slightly creepy.
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  Speaker 1: It is slightly.
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  Speaker 4: Any child actor doing it, that world is creepy. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: thank God, like, I wasn't molested along the way.
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  Speaker 1: Like, for real. Yeah. But... Were your parents stage parents? No.
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  Speaker 1: My parents knew nothing about anything. And in fact.
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  Speaker 4: When I had to sign the contract for the Disney
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  Speaker 4: overall deal- Your first non-disclosure agreement? For real, at like 15.
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  Speaker 4: My parents knew nothing about any of this. I just
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  Speaker 4: went with all my dance friends to the audition, happened
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  Speaker 4: to get it. And I remember signing the contract and
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  Speaker 4: my dad, who was just like a regular, you know, whatever,
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  Speaker 4: neither of my parents went to college. And my dad
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  Speaker 4: was like, Because they sign you for like multiple years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Granted, it wasn't even enough money to pay for my
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  Speaker 4: apartment while I was working on the show. Like they
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  Speaker 4: just expect your parents to supplement it, I guess. But
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  Speaker 4: I remember my dad looking at it and going, wow,
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  Speaker 4: if she does this for like three years, she'll make
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  Speaker 4: more money than I do.
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  Speaker 1: And it was wild.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like a wild thing. And it was
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  Speaker 2: just your initiative? You were so interested in pursuing this?
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  Speaker 1: I think I was just.
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  Speaker 4: Like I didn't grow up going, oh my God, I
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  Speaker 4: want to be an actress. I think it was just
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  Speaker 4: what my friends were doing and it was just a
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  Speaker 4: natural progression.
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  Speaker 1: And then I just didn't leave.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, what else am I going to do?
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  Speaker 4: I graduated school a little bit early because when you're
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  Speaker 4: on that show, we all had tutors. So there were
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  Speaker 4: 19 of us teenagers and you could do the schoolwork
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  Speaker 4: as quickly as you could get it done. And so
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  Speaker 4: you could graduate early if you wanted to. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: not like miles early. I'm not I'm not a genius
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  Speaker 4: but like I'll be the judge and um and so
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  Speaker 4: we I got to graduate a little bit early and
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  Speaker 4: then I was like well what am I gonna do
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  Speaker 4: now and I was like I guess I moved to
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  Speaker 4: LA where everyone else is moving and so like at
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  Speaker 4: 17 moved to LA by yourself slept on someone's couch
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  Speaker 4: you didn't go to the Oakwoods Thank God.
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  Speaker 1: That probably saved me from the molester vibe.
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  Speaker 2: I think that actually there is a direct link between
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  Speaker 2: the Oakwoods and complete destruction of your life.
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  Speaker 4: A thousand percent. So, no, I slept on these two girls'
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  Speaker 4: couch that were older than me.
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  Speaker 1: How did you meet these girls?
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  Speaker 4: One was a producer's assistant on the Mickey Mouse Club.
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  Speaker 4: And her sister was a model. And I literally slept
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  Speaker 4: on the couch for months.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: And just like went to really lame auditions, like commercial auditions.
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  Speaker 6: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: I think I did a guest star on Boy Meets World. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm familiar.
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  Speaker 4: I had hair like Chaka Khan hair.
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  Speaker 1: We know what kind of hair you had, sister.
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  Speaker 2: There's a very public record of your hair.
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  Speaker 1: You can't get away from your hair.
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  Speaker 3: No, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for you to shave your head. The hair
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  Speaker 1: was out of this world. It was amazing. It's funny
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  Speaker 1: that you always have your hair straight now. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: a fro again.
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  Speaker 5: It's a fro again.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I usually do like a keratin or something
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  Speaker 4: to kind of mellow it out.
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  Speaker 1: Mellow it out, yeah. And this summer, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's going wild again. And I went wild. But it's cute.
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  Speaker 2: This is the thing about you that I also love
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  Speaker 2: is you have such a little girl physicality about you
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  Speaker 2: that you'll never be old.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel old.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel old? Well, I don't know. Are we
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  Speaker 1: the same age? Are you 50? Yeah. I'm 51. I
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  Speaker 1: just turned 51. February.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 5: I'm March.
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  Speaker 6: March.
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  Speaker 1: Are you a Pisces? I'm an Aries. Okay. Okay. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. I know.
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  Speaker 2: I love when people ask signs and then you tell
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  Speaker 2: them and they don't know about your sign.
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  Speaker 1: But I love it. I love reading all that shit.
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  Speaker 1: I do love it too. I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like the full moon and the equinox. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: I was just texting my friend. I was like, I
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: read about you. Okay, so this is about... They're like, what? Well,
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  Speaker 2: what about this last lunar eclipse that we had? Or
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: was it a solar eclipse? Well, there were two.
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  Speaker 1: It was back to back. Are we talking about the
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  Speaker 1: lion's portal? Yes, the portal. When I texted you about... Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: The portal.
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  Speaker 6: Portal.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm a Pisces. So it was
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  Speaker 1: all over my algorithm. It was like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God, you have to step in. You have
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  Speaker 2: 72 hours to get into this window. And if you
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  Speaker 2: miss the window, if you're not conscious of it, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to, you, you'll be stuck in your last 12
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  Speaker 2: year cycle. Fuck.
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  Speaker 1: I got to get, I got to lock in. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, I got to get in this
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  Speaker 1: new 12 year cycle. And I was like, I'm conscious.
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  Speaker 1: I'm conscious. I want in. And then I went to
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  Speaker 1: Mallorca with a bunch of girlfriends.
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  Speaker 2: You did?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So we were having like parallel experiences. Parallel experiences.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, listen, I want to like
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  Speaker 1: land this right, you know?
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  Speaker 2: And it kept saying for Pisces, it was even more important,
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  Speaker 2: this kind of portal.
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  Speaker 1: And then I stepped through and I'm like, when is
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  Speaker 1: the portal closed? Because I want to be done with this.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And 72 hours went by and then there was another portal.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That I had to step through. And then before I
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  Speaker 2: knew it, there was another lunar eclipse.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, what's going on? You're like, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it was a lot of my time. It was
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  Speaker 1: like a pyramid scheme. And it happened on August 12th.
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  Speaker 2: I remember this. And I was like very, yeah. One
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  Speaker 2: was on the 8th, though, because it was like 8, 8.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: It kept happening over and over again. And I felt
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  Speaker 2: very positive about it. And I was just trying to
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  Speaker 2: interact with the sun and the moon as much as
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  Speaker 2: possible so that they know that I'm on their team.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then we had this woman wake us up at
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  Speaker 2: 4.30 in the morning to go on this hike in Mallorca,
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  Speaker 2: Spain to see the sunset.
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  Speaker 1: You did that?
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  Speaker 5: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 2: Because I was like, I'm stepping into the right portal.
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  Speaker 2: And I was putting my best foot forward. And we
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  Speaker 2: get up at 4.30 in the morning in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: I corralled like three of my girlfriends agreed to do
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  Speaker 2: it with me. We hike for an hour in the dark.
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  Speaker 2: Then we scale a mountain.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know this. We thought it was a light walk.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And before you know it, you're holding on to like
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  Speaker 2: tree branches, hiking up like- Scrambling. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: To the top of this promontory, this top of this mountain. Yeah.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: And then it was too foggy to see the sun
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: come up. So that was my experience.
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: That is so fucking good.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: Incredible. Fucking losers. That's actually amazing. I know. And the
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: woman who took us, she's like, oh, Chelsea. She has
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: this little accent.
• 14:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm not very good at accents, so I won't
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: tell you where she's from and you can just pretend.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I know, we need Matthew to do this for us. Oh, yeah. See,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Matthew has a great accent.
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: You can do fucking any accent.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, so that was kind of a waste,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: I guess. Well, no, it wasn't a waste. No, it
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't a waste. You were with your pals. You were
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: doing it. No, no, no. It wasn't a waste. I
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: like the way you use the word pals. I never
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: use that word.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: They're my total pals. That's cute.
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Um, okay. So you moved to LA and then you
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: did a bunch of stuff, right? Like crappy stuff.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: And then Felicity happened. And then Felicity happened. And I
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: felt like that was my first real job. Like I
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, this writing is good. This is what I, oh,
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: this is, I, the, the biggest clue in for me
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: was standing, you know, for network stuff, they make you
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: test like 8,000 times with 3000 girls. And, um, I
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: was testing at the final test of the tests and
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: there were like six of us. And we all, you know,
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: the way they do it in network TV, like there's
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: a blonde girl, there's a brown-haired girl, there's an Asian girl,
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: there's a Puerto Rican girl.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: And I was, whatever, the curly-haired girl.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: And we were all standing up there and someone was saying, oh,
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: it's such good writing and the story, it's so sad.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: And I was like, uh-uh, I think it's funny. Am
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I missing something?
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: I was like, I just kind of zipped my lips
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: and was like, yeah, sad.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: And I just remember thinking it was so funny. And
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: it was funny. But that was JJ's writing.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: And I think that's the first time I was like, oh,
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: you're supposed to pay attention to the good writing.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: That's what matters. And I still do that. I don't care.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, you should care about who's directing. But to me,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: I just want it to read like a good book.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: I want it to be like that quality.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: What was the last good book you've read?
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Ooh, ooh.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I read that Barbara Kingsolver, that really big one. What
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: was it called? The Demon Copperhead. Yes, Demon Copperhead.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: You know what?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I started that book and I never finished it. Oh,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: it's so good. Is it? But it's intense.
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: It's really.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: When there's a trailer park involved, maybe it's because I...
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't grow up like that, but when there's trailer parks,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: I find that very.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: It's intense.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read it. I have to because it's everyone's...
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: It's so many people's favorite book. It's epic.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: It's not my favorite.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: It's just epic and it's such an interesting version of
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: that story that a lot of people have tried to tell.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: And it's a really beautiful....
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Dense, poetic version of the opioid epidemic. And she really
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: tells it right and with a lot of grace. But
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: what was the last book I read?
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Fuck, I should know this. been bad about reading recently.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I have a ton of great books to recommend you.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: What did you read? Correspondent is great. That's the last
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: one I read. And I loved it. And it was
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: so full of dignity. It was so sweet. Dignified. Dignified.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: That's a great word for it. It felt old-fashioned in
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: some way.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: And after all the shitstorm we've been dealing with, I
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: just felt so lovely and decent.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It felt decent.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Whistler by Ann Patchett is a great one. I have
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: not read that. And do you know Lily King. Do
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: you know Lily King?
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Father of the Rain, Writers and Lovers.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: No.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: She has like seven books. You've got to get into her.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: You're going to like it.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: Okay, great.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I promise. Yeah, I need it. Okay, so back to Felicity.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: During this time in your life, sidebar. Sidebar.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: During this time in your life, I don't know if
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: you remember coming into what was the deli called in
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the Pacific Palisades?
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I worked there. Terry's. Terry's.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: Terry's.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Terry's. I was a server there. I can't believe you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: were a server there. Was I rude to you? No,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: of course not. You're like that little bitch.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I would like to see you be rude to someone
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: in a restaurant.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I never served you or waited on you because.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: My roommate, whose name was Colleen, was obsessed with you.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: And you were dating, I think, Scott Speedman at the time.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, of course.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Of course you were. I want to date him now.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best. I saw him a couple of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: weeks ago and I was like, is he single?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: They're like, no. Oh my God, forget it. He finally
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: shacked up. But gosh, he's just the best. Oh, so cute.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: So cute.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So you guys used to come in all the time
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and she- Oh my God. And JJ used to come
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: in all the time with Katie.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: And Katie, yep. And their three kids. And you guys
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: were all great. Including Gracie Abrams. Yes, including Gracie Abrams, yes.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: But she was the only person allowed to go and
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: wait on you because.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: She loved you so much.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And I think JJ gave her a part on your
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: show at some point.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sure.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I'm sure.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: That was really sweet. And now Terry's is no more.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I know. I know. I know. That's such a bummer.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I know. I know. I guess you left just in time. Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So back to Felicity. So everything happens. Everything blows up
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: for you, right?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: You're in a world probably that you didn't even maybe imagine.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Thank God there was no, you know, like internet or
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: like those like photos and that kind of shit because
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: we all did such stupid stuff. And like the kids
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: now having their– Well, they're taking pictures of themselves, so
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know. But, you know, we didn't have that
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: amount of criticism or, you know, like people weren't watching
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: my every move. They weren't recording my every lame 20-year-old
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: statement that I think must be really hard. But yes,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: it was a lot of public facing things and I
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: definitely retreated after that so I finished Felicity I had
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I was like the only one of all those kids
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: on that show who didn't buy a big house I
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: drove my pickup truck and I took my money and
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I bought I rented a sick apartment in New York
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: in the village and I brought like two giant boxes
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: of books and And I moved there because I had
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: two really good girlfriends, and it totally saved me.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, see, you're so cool. It totally saved me.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: And I just spent a whole year where I– no,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: two years where I didn't work. I was like, I
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: don't want to do this anymore. This is like taxing.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not like the person I want to be. I'm
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: like longing for friends. And, you know, we were working–
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes people– boo-hoo, like.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It's hard to be an actor. Like, yeah, I don't
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: mean to do that.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: But, you know, I was 21 showing up places, like,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: you show up for work at 5.30 in the morning. It's, like,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: an amount of discipline that I'm grateful for, but it's
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Like, all those years of 20s, I.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Was working, like, you know, 16, 18 hours a day,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: five days a week for nine months a year.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: So then I just didn't want to do that anymore.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I wanted to, like, be a kid. And What did
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: you do in your downtime for those two years? Oh,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: I went to every fucking birthday party. I got drunk
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: with my girlfriends. We danced all night. I walked drunk
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: home in the snow. I made out with strangers. I
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: fucking lived that life.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: And it was so fun.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: We.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: It was the time of like when The Bachelorette first
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: came out and we would order bad Chinese and like
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: watch The Bachelorette. And it was just so– I remember
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: my girlfriend, Lindsay, was renting a room with these lovely
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: older people on the Upper East Side. They would leave
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: to Florida and we would just all watch The Bachelorette
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: in their apartment.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: It was just the best. Like way up in the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: 90s in York, you know. It was just– It was
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: so fun.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: And just I got to do those things that I
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: missed for that decade. And it really, it let me,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and it was actually Speedman like two years later who
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: was like, hey, you said you were going to take
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: a year off work.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It's been like a year and a half. And I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: was like, has it?
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: And he's like, get back, you know, like figure it out.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: And I was like, what are you going to do?
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know. I guess I
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: have to make money at some point. And so then
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I slowly started inching my way back.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And what did you think, like, how did you approach
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: that for yourself?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Like, what were you thinking? Like, did you say, I just,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for a project? Or did you say, I
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: want to do little things?
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Because I said, there was a part that came up
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: that was a little independent movie that Mike Binder was doing.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You probably know him from The World. Not Waitress.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: It was called, it was with Joan Allen, and it
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: was called The Upside of Anger.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: Oh, right.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Kevin Costner was in it. And I was just one
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of the sisters there. And I was like, you know what?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I can try that.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Let me see what that feels like to just be
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: not the one in every day, all day. Let me
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: just be one of the smaller parts. And really watching
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Joan Allen help me because she's just such a class act.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, she's really good. She's normal. You know
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: what I mean? She's not fucked up.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: And I was like, she's doing it okay. And so
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: she was a really good example for me.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things that I always
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: recognize when you meet people that are able to balance
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: both things and remain normal. It's always something that stands out,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: somebody who's not affected, somebody who doesn't walk around with
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: an entourage.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: That doesn't have to.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Have all these requirements that can just be a real person. Well,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that is always an example to me because I always
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: want to be a real person.
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter like, you know, how often your
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: name is publicly mentioned or how like that stuff is like,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I don't say it's not real because it's part of
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: our reality, but being a public person.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But also just to manage that and remaining sane.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Like you don't have to be crazy and you don't
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: have to act like that it's something more than it is.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Well, and also for me, and it feels like with,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: for you, cause you have this strong sense of being
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: with the people sort of, and like what it feels like, like,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: it sounds really like people are going to.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Like be barfing in their mouth.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: But like the human experience, what it feels like to
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: be a person. I feel like the people I gravitate
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: towards enjoy life.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Like there's a, there's a level of fame.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Matthew and I always say like, we're just the right
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: kind of Like, people don't really care about us, but
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: sometimes it helps getting you into, like, a good restaurant.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Not all the time.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they're like, fuck off. But sometimes it helps you.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: There's a type of famous that, like, you can't walk
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: down the street anymore.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And I like... New York City. I like New York City.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I like.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: walking down the street and like seeing people and what
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: are they up to? And like, oh my God, helping
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: somebody or, you know, being in the world. I like
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: being in the world and I don't want to be
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: removed from the world. I've been around people who have
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: to be removed from the world and that seems lonely.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not interested in that world. I think it is lonely.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Definitely.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And I'm not like, I'm a rarefied artist that I
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: have to be separate from the world.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Like being the world is what I like.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I'm doing my job so I can fund pleasure in
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And you also want to be a good friend and
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: a good partner and a good parent and all the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: things that you want to be. And if you're so
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: swept up in that isolationist kind of thing and you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: travel around with these like seven people or five people
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is and you walk down the street
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: with a whole security team. It tends to attract quite
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of attention.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Totally.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy when things get
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: that out of control because it is easy to retreat.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I've seen Mick Jagger on the street in London. If
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: he can walk around, anybody can walk around like that.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: So you do Felicity, you take some time off, you
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: start doing some movies. We had Sarah Bareilles on recently
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: who just, who wrote Waitress.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And I know you were in the movie Waitress, which
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was another experience in between before you went to the Americans, right?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yes. That came after that, I believe.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yes. I'm trying to remember time. I'm terrible with time.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: But yes, Waitress because I didn't have kids. Yes. Adrienne Shelley,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: who wrote and directed that film.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And Americans came later. And Americans is where you met
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: your not husband, your lover. My lover. Your lover.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: My lover.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Sometimes lover. Mostly roommate. Well, you guys don't get to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: see each other very often. We see each other too
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: fucking much. We see him plenty. Everybody after he just won. Congratulations,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: He just won two Emmys, which was making history. Two
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Hemmys on the— Hemmys now, they're called.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: They're Hemmys for him.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It was short for Hemmingways. Two Emmys on the same
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: night for a comedy and a drama.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I know you're not on social media a lot, but
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: you must have heard that everyone was really shipping, as
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: the kids say, your relationship.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And shipping is like— Standing, fanning out.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: Good, good, good.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: They love it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: They love it because you guys did all these double
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: interviews together. People were loving it because you guys are very,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: very cute together.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: As you probably know. Well, you're funny too. But you're
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: very funny together, and people were just loving it. Okay, good.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh gosh, I really hope he's
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: not online because after winning two awards and then finding
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: out everybody finds that you're charming and funny to the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: whole world is a little too much of an intoxication.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It is. Did you have a feeling that he was
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: going to win both of those? I think Widows Bay
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: is just, I mean, it's like a home run. Home run.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I also feel like, first of all, he's so good
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: in it. Everyone's so good in it. And I feel
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: like it's just In today's world, when things are so
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: hard and everything.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Feels so hard, it was such a departure.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: It's just like a way– there's so few things that
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: are just– have nothing to do with anything going on
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: with he who must not be named and just– it
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: was so fun and stupid and crazy and they're all
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: so good in it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: And it just, it was like lightning in a bottle.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And I just, I knew they were going to have
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: a good night.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't know he would win for the other stuff,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: but like, it was great. And he was just so nervous.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, we were all nervous. We were all nervous,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: but he, you know, it's, it's a lot, it's a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: lot of pressure.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: And I, and, and we said to each other, before
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: he was the week up, just like, we're both nervous people.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: We're not in that world that much. We visit that world.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And so we were both so nervous.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: And I looked at him like a few days before
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: and I said, okay, well, can you articulate what you're
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: most nervous about?
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, having to speak.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: And I said, totally.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And I said, take me off your plate. Like, you
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: don't have to thank me.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I know you love me. Take me off your plate.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: There's He won a few years ago for the Americans,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: and people still give him a hard time.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Because he didn't say their name. Like, it's so crazy.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: People get nuts. Yeah, that is really stupid. It's stupid,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: and it's also lame. Yeah. So I said, take me
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: off your plate. That's not what this is. I also don't,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: let me just interrupt you, and I'm sorry, but I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: interrupt people all the time. Go, do it. I hate
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that for another reason.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It's like you don't get to decide what somebody's going
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to say when they make a speech or give a speech.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: You don't get to decide and ascribe what your responsibilities are.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: in that there are so many more people to thank
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that worked on the actual production than your partner.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Like, you really have, I mean, obviously you have something
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: to do with his level of, you know, whatever, competence, happiness,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: ability to work, but that's not, you're not the primary person.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and whatever. I don't care if you want to
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: thank the dog walker. You do whatever you want to do.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Right, right, right.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: That's your minute. That's your minute. That's your 45 seconds.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: So I just said, take me off your plate. Don't,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: and we kind of said to each other, we don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: have to thank each other.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: This is private.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Like to go back to your thing, this is for
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: the business people. Like thank whoever you want to thank.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I love that you also are not married.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: That's fun. I love it too. It is fun. That
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: keeps things pumping. That's right. It is fun.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I just, I've had a big party, you know, like
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I get to dress up all the time.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: And I think, I know for a lot of people
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: marriage is something different, but I and our pal Gloria,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: like people... you still have to be married to have
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: a credit card. We can have credit cards now.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I don't need my last name to go away. Yeah.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm cool. If you want to be here, be here.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: If you don't, that's cool too. Yeah, I like that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: It's also, yeah, it's just sexier to me.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: To me, I find being in a long-term relationship with
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: someone sexier because no one's in for sure the whole time.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: That's right. You've got to show up. It's still auditioning process.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: That's right. It is.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: And, you know, P.S., we have kids so like that's
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: forever um and but I yeah I don't to me
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: it's antiquated well you have.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Three I agree with you you have and it's patriarchal
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: yeah you have three uh you have a 19 year
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: old I.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Have a 19 year old god that's so fucking weird
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: it is crazy he's in college.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I know I just was reading your research I'm like
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: when did our kids get to be 19 I thought
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you still had like a seven year old yeah well
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I don't kind of well you have a 10 year
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: old you're talking about Matthew as a.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Seven year old.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: What is it like to have kids that are a
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: 19-year-old and a 10-year-old?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: It's wild. What is that? We have 19, we have 14,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and we have 10. Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: That age difference, though, I'm very curious how you think
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of yourself like, You know, I mean, you probably, not probably,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you learn so much when you become a mother, right?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And then you do it at a different phase in
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: your life and you probably know so much more than
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you did the first time.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Like, what can you say about that?
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, you do know so much more, but like,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: just when you think you have it down, someone new
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: comes and you're like, what are you, what?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: This is not, this is harder than the last, what
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: is this?
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: So they all come out different and they are completely
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: their own people and they're all hard and easy in
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: their own ways. I do think it gets easier as
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: a parent, but then the kid is different and the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: kid's harder.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: What is your.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Favorite thing about parenting? Like being a mom, not parenting,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: because that doesn't sound sexy.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: There's this amazing book that came out a few years
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: ago that one of my girlfriends, who we always.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Share books, sent me. It's called Parenting. all joy and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: no fun. That's totally the truth. It's joy. Joy is like,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you're like, it was hard, but I feel proud of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: myself for doing it. You know what I mean? I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: love them all. They're awesome.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: What do I love about it? I love when they
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: just like, they crack me up, I guess. There's certain
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: things they do as like their own individual person. And
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I'm like, that was funny.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Or like, oh, you're funny.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Or when they're especially kind, like, you know, when they
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: do something and you're like, okay, they'll be all right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: They were kind and I didn't force them to be.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Is there something that you learned about yourself that stands
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: out as like becoming a parent?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's really impossible to be selfish. And that's
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: a good thing for anyone to learn. Like it's, you know,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: there are so many times a day.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I were like, fuck, I just want to do what
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I want to fucking do.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Totally.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And that's just the way it goes. You know, we actually,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: we just got a dog, which is the best. What
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: kind of dog? Just like a rescue mutt, but I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: just love him so.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: A house is not a home without a dog.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: I just like, I waited so long and I was
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: on this like rescue for so long, for years, just like.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Waiting, biding my time. And we were traveling. I was like,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: it's not the right time. It's not the right time.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Is this your first dog? Kind of. Really? Well, I mean,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I grew up with dogs, but I haven't had one
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: as an adult.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I've had pets, like cats and things, but I haven't
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: had a family dog as an adult.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And we have a mountain family that we take care
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of Banjo when they're away. You have a mountain family?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, like a family that you go upstate
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: with all the time. We call them our mountain family.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And so when the mountain family goes away, we get
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: to take Banjo, who we adore. And so we kind
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: of had a dog, but now we have And I just,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize how nice it was.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, dogs are the best. I just got another dog too.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: How many do you have? I have two.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: One is Doug and then his little sister who's at
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: training camp to learn how to go to the bathroom
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: in the right place is named Denise. So Doug and Denise.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: My last two dogs were named Bert and Bernice. Now
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I have a Doug and Denise. Oh my God.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: My girlfriend had a cat named Brian, which I also
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: think is really great.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: Brian?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Brian?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I just had Gretchen Whitmer in here before you left,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the governor of Michigan.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: She is so rad. Yeah, she is.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Her skin is fucking incredible. I was staring at her
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: skin the whole time. Was she like lasering her face
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: off or something? I don't know.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't get to that part because, you know, she's
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: a politician, so they don't talk about that shit. She
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: is so cool. She is cool. And she has a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: dog named Doug, too. Doug, and what was her other
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: dog's name? Kevin.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Kevin.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: Kevin.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, those are just classic. Classic. Oh, my God. Okay,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: so you have three kids. Now you have a new dog.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Now we have a dog. And you have Matthew. And
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we have Matthew. Now, Matthew, and I'm assuming Matthew is
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: very funny. He is very funny. I've heard, I heard his,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: what did I hear of him? The Daily. He was
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: on The Daily right before the award shows. I still
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: haven't heard that. He's very funny. He's very funny. His
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: accent is very, I mean, Welsh accent. What do you
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: think about a Welsh accent? It's so nice.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Sexy.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: And it's, you know, it's a British accent, but it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: like a softer, well, first of all, Welsh, like any accent,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: there's a million. Like he has cousins from the North,
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: from like Snowdonia that have a wildly different accent than his.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: He's from Cardiff, which is like the big town in Wales.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And both his teachers are educators.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: So he has kind of, you know, like a proper
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Welsh accent, but it's softer than English. And it's more like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: regional is not a nice word. What's an attractive word
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: for regional? Like, it's just more like earthy. It's more
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: earthy than like a clipped English accent.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And you obviously guys both have a similar sense of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: humor and you make each other laugh a lot.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: He does make me laugh. You can see that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Is there something that you learned about him when he
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: became a father that you didn't know?
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Of all of our friends, he's the most mom dad.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Like it's kind of this incredible thing because Sam, who's
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: our littlest person, is my third kid and Sam is
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Matthew's first kid. I mean, he's a father to the
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: big kids too, very much so. But Sam is his first.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: And Sam's my third. So by the time, like, the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: third rolls around, you're like, oh, shit, you have baseball. Okay, well,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Grab your, like, Crocs and let's go.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And Matthew's like, pack the bag.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: He has snacks for the whole team. He has a
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: first aid kit. And he shows up, like, seriously.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that sounds like a lot of work. Like,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: are you really going to? He's like, yeah, this is,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you know, because this is kids.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It's like the third kid gets the eraser stuck in
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: their nose and you don't take them to the hospital.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you're fine. Dude, you're fine. My sister did
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that with her three kids.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: The first one who stuck their eraser in their nose,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: she was like at the ER.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: The second one, she went to the doctor. The third one,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: she's like, it'll fall out on Monday.
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: It'll fall out.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: You'll be fine. And if it's not out.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: You strike me as someone who is very good friends
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: with all of your exes.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Is that true? I am pretty good friends with them.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, because you broke up with them. Well, if
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: they're cool, yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Are you?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, after time has gone by. After time, yeah.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Usually it's, I mean, in my experience, I've had some
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: acrimonious breakups where it's too sensitive to talk or where
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: one person is really upset and it needs some chill time.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: But after enough time goes by, then all bets are
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: off and you can participate again in a nice- Like.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: With Speedman, I love seeing him.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, we were like babies too, but he was
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: always a better friend than he was a boyfriend.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: And that's a great way to describe a lot of men,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: because I have a lot of great guy friends that
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: are terrible at being in relationships. I also am not
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a huge fan of being in a heavy relationship.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone is. I mean, a few people are.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Some people are.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're in a heavy relationship and you like it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You know, we're in a heavy relationship, but I have this.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Gift. We have this gift of being apart a lot.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And that is the way to do it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: He's getting ready to go to the UK for five months.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, he comes back around occasionally. But like, you know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: as hard as it is, the house is mine.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: The house is mine. The bed is mine. The rules
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: are mine. In my rules... everyone goes to motherfucking sleep
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: at 9 p.m. Like, it's lights out. Like, I'm like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: good night, everybody. If you need mom, I'm asleep.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: And, you know, it's my rules. Everything's really clean. Everything's organized.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: You know, it's probably more boring without him, but it's
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: my rules. And then he comes back and everyone's so
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: excited and we're excited.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: You know, being apart is nice.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It really is saves so many people.
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And what kind of, like, do you guys have any
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: sort of, like, rules around that?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: How long you're away when you go back? Like, will
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: you go over there to visit him?
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, in an ideal world, I think.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: especially in our creepy world where you're like, this is
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: such a weird business where you're like making out with,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: it's such a weird, what a weird job. If I
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: can find something that pays me more, I'll do it. Ideally,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: it'd be great to see each other every two weeks.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: It's probably not going to happen this way. And as
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: we've gotten older, we care about it less and less
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: because we're like, even having sex with someone new sounds
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: like a lot of work.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. For everyone over 50, no one is interested
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: in that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: If you have a partner, all my friends who are
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: married or divorced or married, if they're like, if this
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't work out or something happens to my husband, I'm
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: not looking for anything else to follow this.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: That's all you need.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get to a certain age and you're like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: is this really necessary? I want to talk about Diplomats
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Season 4 because that's coming up. And I also think
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: this is a good idea to pitch to you.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, pitch.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I think when you win your next award, you should
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: thank all of your ex-boyfriends without thanking your current partner.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: That's such a good idea. I think that's a good
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: trend to set.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? You know what?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I just want to thank the men in my life
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: who really helped me. Start with Scott Friedman and just
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: move on from there. And your ex-husband.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And just get to everyone besides Matthew because that'll really
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: get people rolling.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: That would be so good. That'd be a really good bit.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: That'd be really fucking good. I think it's worth considering seriously.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Maybe you'll help me write it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: The show, First of all, the Americans was, we didn't
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: give it enough credit or justice, time, and respect because
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: that show.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Was fucking awesome. It was awesome. What you guys did
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: on that show was so awesome. It was awesome. So
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: much fun it looked like.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: It was so fun and also we were like falling
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: in love and staying up all night and like having
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: sex all the time and.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: Just like wearing disguises like I'm fucking crazy wigs and
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: like wearing pearls when did you ever worn pearls and
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: like fucking in trailers and fuck everywhere I mean it
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: was insanity it was so fun.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And sneaky and sexy and so good who made the
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: first move with the two of you oh that's a
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: good question you know I think I did I love
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that yeah Nice.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you go to the Americans. You have an
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: incredible success with that. How did you decide to end
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: that show?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: We didn't decide. They did. The writers did. Yeah, and
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: it was such an epic ending. Oh, it was so great.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: It's a great ending. Perfection. Yeah. Chef's kiss, everyone.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Chef's kiss.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Chef's kiss in case you're not watching this.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Sorry, chef's kiss.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: And you can only hear it. And then how did
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: you come across the diplomat? Like who brought it to you?
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It's such a fucking perfect role for you. I love
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: how unkempt you are. Oh, I love it so much.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And it's so beautiful. Like you're so beautifully you in
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: this powerful position. Like the way that you exhibit this
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: character or the way that you play this character is
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: so relatable in such an unrelatable situation.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: So- I took a long break after The Americans because
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I had a great run and I needed to just like,
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: my whole thing is you work really hard, the output
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: is so much, and then you go away and you
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: fill back up. Like you have a recharge, you fill
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: back up, you like read books, you get life experience,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: and then you get ready for something else. And I
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: wasn't really looking for something. And Debra Kahn, who is
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: our showrunner, creator, writer, It got sent to me and
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, shit, this is good. And this
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: is so funny and so smart. And it totally did
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: not work for my life. Matthew was working in L.A.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: On Perry Mason. I thought you were going to say
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Perry menopause. I'm like, oh, has he figured anything out yet?
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Not yet. But we're working on it. We're giving him
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: all the estrogen we can.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Fill him up.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Fill her up. And he– that was our deal. Like
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you go away, I stay home, take care of the kids.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: You go away, I stay, you know, and this came
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: up and it not only shot the same time he
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: was completing this big job, it shot in London. And
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I was like, but I want to do it. And
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: he was like, this doesn't work. And I remember I
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, right.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: It doesn't work.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: And we really talked about it. I kept circling back.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: And I remember I took myself, I do this like
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: solo trip by myself every year in Big Sur. And
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I just, I go to that like super romantic place
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: by myself and I like walk by myself and it's
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: just so great.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: How many days do you do that for? I do
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: it like for three days. That's nice. It's so nice.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: That's cute.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: And I eat like great food and drink tons of
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: wine and just like get massages and breathe in the nature,
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: like whatever. And everyone's like having romantic like evenings and
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: I'm just there with my book.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Yes. I'm going to send you so many book recommendations.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: Okay, I love it. Please.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I'm in love with books. Okay, me too. It's the best.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: So I'm walking up like those hills and I'm like,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I want to do this job. And so I was like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: I want to do it. And we were like, this
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: is going to be really hard. And he kept going,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: this is going to be really hard. And I said, yep,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: it is, but I'm doing it. And I am so thankful.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: And yeah, there were a hairy two months where the
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: kids were still in school and it was like my
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: mom had to come and blah, blah, blah.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: But I love that job so much.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: The thing that's good about Debra Kahn, as well as
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: being this incredible writer, it's about all these things I
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: care about the right kind of politics and, you know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: being of service to your country and caring about the
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: world and also being funny and self-deprecating and all the
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: things I love and the messy relationships. But Debra Kahn,
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: it's not enough anymore to be a leader where you're
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: just excellent at what you do. I think people have
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: to fucking start taking care of each other. And Debra
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: is such a good example of that. She is our age.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I watch her.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: She's trained these younger writers who are under her. She
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: brings them up. So many of them are now staff writers.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: They have credits. They have Emmy nominations. She like raises
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: them up and she lets them succeed. And we need
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: more of that. I'm so tired of these people who
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: are like, won't let go of power.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: We need new people.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: And it's our job to like raise those new people
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: and allow them to succeed. And she does that so gracefully.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: That being said, She's just so funny. She's so, like,
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: has such a raunchy, fun, naughty sense of humor. And
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: she's strangely, in this time, hopeful. Like, she, even for
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: marriage and our country, and she, it's sort of, like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: acerbic and combative at times. But ultimately, like, she wants
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: everyone to win. And she wants marriage to win. And
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: she wants, like, even more than me, you know, anything. she's,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: she's really good like that. And she's just, it's such
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: a sweet spot. I love this job so much.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Season four of The Diplomat premieres next week. So is
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: there anything you can tell us? If not, you don't
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: have to, but if there's anything, any little crumbs you
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: can feed us?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: It's, oh God, it just continues. It's, Look at your
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: cute little feet. What size are those? Six. Oh, what
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a little baby you are. Oh, my God. They're so cute.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, six.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: They're like snackable. They're snackable. My 10-year-old has the same
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: size feet as me. Oh, that's great. Are those his shoes? No,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: they're not. But you can share them.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: And my dog has eaten part of them. And I
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: know my 14-year-old already, her feet are big. She's taller
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: than me and her feet are bigger. And I just
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: am like, thank God my shoes are safe. She will
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: never be able to steal them from me. No, it's just,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: it continues. It's so good. Where it ends, I can't say,
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: but where it ends is so appropriate for right now.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not, oh, okay, copy that. I was about
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: to say, you're not giving us any information.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm sorry, I can't. That's okay,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that's okay.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: We're not here to pump you for things that you
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: can't talk about.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: Okay, great.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: We only have 10 minutes left. We usually take callers.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did I tell you? No, no, no, no.
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: You guys are rocking and rolling.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Don't apologize. Everything's fine.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Do you want to take– we'll take one call before
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: we close out? I give advice on this podcast.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: I love it. Yes, yes. I'm assuming you've been to therapy. Yes,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: of course I have. We just dole out what we've learned.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I love it. I love this. Real people, real problems.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the juicier of the two here.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, please.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: So we have Kelly calling in, and she says, Dear Chelsea–
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I've been dating my partner for two years. It's been
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: a true love affair with a lot of toxic fighting,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: mostly around one topic, non-monogamy.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: When we first started dating, we were open. We both
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: had multiple other partners.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: We fell in love, and two years ago, it became
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: apparent that it would be easier to be monogamous, mostly
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: because I found his reactions to my escapades to be
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: less than positive, which led me to be less honest
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: about them and caused a cycle of mistrust and toxic
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: fighting that we can't.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Seem to get out of.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: I've remained close with many of my other partners, and yes,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: there have been what now amounts to multiple incidents of cheating,
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: me going outside our monogamous arrangement. Our cycle is as follows.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I withhold information or cheat, he gets very angry and
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: expresses himself with immature insults and aggression, then we make
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: up and go to town on each other for days.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: We're really rocking the whole codependent, dysfunctional attachment thing and
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: annoying all of our closest friends with the constant drama.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: We're solid when it comes to other types of conflict.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: We constantly break up and get back together. But there
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: is a reason we keep doing this to each other.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: The sex is unreal. We're chemically bonded to each other's scent.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Our chemistry is unparalleled, and it's proved too hard to
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: give up for both of us. We've recently stumbled upon
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: an idea, and I want to know what you think
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: about this. The idea is, I'll be his sub. He
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: can punish me for transgressions. We discussed it, set rules
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: and expectations, safe words, et cetera. I'll do whatever he wants,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: be more flexible in giving to his sexual impulses, and
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: he'll have the ability to set expectations within our guidelines
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: and punishments when I make mistakes or cheat. Do you
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: think a dynamic like this can help us solve our
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: trust issues or at least help? And whether or not
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: we do this compromise, can a toxic relationship be fixed?
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: Thanks, Kelly. Hi. Hi, Kelly.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: This is our special guest, Keri Russell, with us today.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Hello.
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: Nice to meet you.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Did I say Kelly Russell? Keri Russell.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Did you say Kelly?
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Well, she's Kelly now.
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: That's quite a dynamic. That was quite a dynamic.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I wanted to get your attention, A. And B,
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: it's totally true. It's recently come to my attention that
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: this is like a backwards ass way to look at
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: like a BDSM dynamic because you have to have like
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: a psychological safety first.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Like big fucking duh. So there's that.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: But let me ask you a question. You opened your
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: relationship up. Then you closed it, but now you're cheating.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Is there a world where you can just open back
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: up your relationship so you're not cheating?
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: So that's basically my intention.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: I think that I have always wanted to be in
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: an open dynamic because I have a very, like I
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: have a deep aversion to being like enmeshed. Like I don't,
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: I don't want to be in that like couple dynamic
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: where you like get, you know, roommate syndrome and, and
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: you know, the passion falls apart.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: I don't want that dynamic, right? I did that for
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: 22 years. I'm done doing that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Copy that, sister.
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: We hear you.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: And so I have like this fierce independence that I'm
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: trying to like maintain. And the only way that I
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: can do it, like we so easily get enmeshed. And
• 51:13
  Speaker 6: I think, you know, I give that to him, but
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: it's mixed signals, right? Like I do fall into it
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: with him, but I don't actually want it. Like, I
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: want my independence. And the way that that comes through
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: is that that's how I want to have, you know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 6: multiple relationships with multiple people so that I can keep that.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: And is he not into that? He's not going to
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: do that? He's into it. Or is he going to
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: do that?
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's totally bi, so he's into it. He
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: just wants to have, like, create a sense of security
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: in the relationship first.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Right. Right. Okay.
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: So do you guys have a therapist that you work
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: with or talk to? Not yet.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: We're working on that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Get one.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: You need to get, as much as I would love
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: to be the answer to all of your problems, you
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: need a third party.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Since you guys love third parties, you know what I mean?
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: It's very natural.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: You got to get somebody, a therapist that is well-versed
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: in this dialogue and being in an.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Open relationship, which is all great.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: It's great that you're honest about your desires and it's
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: great that you're honest about where you are because there's
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: really nothing worse than somebody who's lying. We don't have
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: time for that anymore. We're fucking women and we're sick
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: of it. So everyone just needs to be upfront. So
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I love that you're being honest with yourself and now
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: with your partner and trying to set a new dynamic
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: and set new boundaries, but you really need, because there's
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: a manipulation that I think comes along with this kinds
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: of things. Since you guys are getting out of a
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: toxic space, I really think it would be the most
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: healthy way to go about it is to get a
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: third party involved so you can sit down and you
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: make very.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Clear, like, you know, boundaries, right? About what you want
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and what's going to be too far.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Even if you've done that with each other, I kind
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: of go just because you came out of a very
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: toxic part of your relationship where there were transgressions.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And lies and stuff like that.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's just great to lay it all on
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the table and have a period of like, not reconciliation,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: but like understanding that you're both going to really move
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: forward in this new version with honesty, with integrity and
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: respect for each other.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: Great.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: And I know you may think you've accomplished that, but
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, you haven't unless you have a third
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: party involved, because then you're accountable to somebody more than
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: yourself and to each other. And I think that's important
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: for what you're talking about.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: So you think that toxic dynamics, like in your experience,
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: both of your experience, when you look around at your
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: girlfriends and your friends, do you see if people get in,
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: like if there's, you know, real intense dynamics right from
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: the get-go, And those dynamics have a lot of toxic
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: fighting and getting, fighting and then getting back together and
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: repair and fighting and getting.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: Back together and repair.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: Do you see that turning out for any of the
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: people in your life? Like, have you seen this actually
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: like turn around? Can you turn around a dynamic like that?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it might be the way, it might be the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: way you're fighting too. There might be tools you could learn,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: which is to what Chelsea was saying.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: But, you know, I think bottom line, you know what
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: If your gut is saying it's toxic, it's probably toxic.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: As great as the sex is, there's someone else that
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: has great sex too. Like someone's out there. If it
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: feels bad, it probably feels bad.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: But I have a feeling to her, to you, it
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: might feel a little bit good.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Do you like the toxicity? Is there a part of you,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: any part of you that likes the drama?
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: And that is what my therapist would say is like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: you clearly like the conflict.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Because you keep going back.
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Because you haven't learned what you need to learn yet.
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: So But I also think like, I don't think anything
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: is said and done. You can accomplish what you want
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: to accomplish. If you want to be in a non-toxic
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: open relationship, you can do that.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: But you need help to do that with your partner,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: not just on your own.
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: You need help to do that. You can overcome the toxicity.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if we know people that have or not.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: This is you. You know what I mean? Totally.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: So if you really want and have the intention and
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: you want to have a non-toxic relationship with all of
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: these understandings, then you can.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: You just have to go about it the right way.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: And you making up the guidelines and him making up
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: the guidelines, that's not always just the best way. It's
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: always good to have somebody who's not involved in your
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: life give advice to you and help you create tools
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: for when you do fight and when this does happen again,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: because it most likely will, that you have the tools
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: and they're accessible to you. And just to gain, it's
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: great that you have your own therapist, but it's also
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: just great to gain insight into another person and understand
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: what triggers them and how you can avoid doing that
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: And how, and it's just, why not get something, you know,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: have somebody else involved in the whole process?
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: So I would, that's my recommendation. I love that you're
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: living out loud and doing whatever the fuck you want.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: It's great. But there's no reason to have toxicity. No, no, no, no.
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: It's something I could use a little less of in
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: my life for sure. Yeah. So that's actually very sound advice.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh, great. I'm so glad you called in.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Will you let us know how it goes, Kelly?
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: I would be delighted to give you an update later.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: I love it. Thanks so much. That was a lot
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: to unpack.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: That was complex. It was complex. And also, yeah, I mean,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: there's a lot going on.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: It's a whole new world.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Before we wrap this up, can you think of the
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: worst advice you've ever been given? Or a piece of
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: advice that you've been given that was terrible.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: That was terrible. That was terrible.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, I'm going to say one terrible and
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: one good piece. The terrible was like one of the
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: last back in the, well.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: We're still in it. I was going to say back
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: when they were making all the superhero movies, but guess what?
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: We still are.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: So, but I was still living in LA, didn't have kids.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: And they were like, the note from the casting person
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: on this screen test is, She has to wear very
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: high heels and a very, very, very padded bra.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: No, she really, she has to wear that because she's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: not going to get the part. Otherwise, I was like,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I got it with like the four varies.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: What the heck?
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: But a good piece of advice or like something that
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: I heard someone say.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Did you do, but did you take the bad advice?
• 57:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And did you get the role?
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: No.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't. They were like, we're not looking for
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: 13-year-old boy bodies.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: We want like Megan Fox.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: They probably got it.
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: And then I was with a good piece of advice
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: or a comment that I love that I think about
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: all the time, especially at this age. I have this
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: friend of mine who's a little older than us, Harry.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: And we were having dinner one time and he said,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: you know, we were talking about complications in life or whatever.
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: And he said, you know, I'm just, at this age, I,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: and I was much younger when he said this to me,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: but I really remembered it. He said, I'm just trying
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: to be my own provocateur. Like, I want to be
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: the one who's like demanding things of myself or stirring
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: something up or questioning something. I want to be my
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: own provocateur. And I remember going, what is he talking?
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: And now I totally get it. I want to be
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: like answering to myself. I want to, what do I
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: want out of this? What do I, like, I don't
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: want to be reactive to somebody else. I want to,
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: I want to be the person I'm reacting to.
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: And creating my world and everything.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: That's great. That's something to think on. That's something to
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: chomp on. Chomp on. Because that can, like, turn into
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: lots of different things in your life.
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Carrie. Thank you for having me. This was
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: really cool. That was so nice.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 58:56
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