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From Runway to Reality Check: The ANTM Exposé (w. Cycle 2 winner Yoanna Margaret) · Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote, I'm Melissa Malbranch.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to be talking about whether or not
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  Speaker 1: you should put your carse in the dishwasher you should not,
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  Speaker 1: about all the cleaning ladies who are also camgirls, Pablo Escobar,
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  Speaker 1: Zoo Animals, Punch the Monkey, Black Market, Needos, an interview
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  Speaker 1: with Joanna from America's Next Time Model Cycle to the Winner,
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  Speaker 1: about the new documentary on Netflix and E News, and
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  Speaker 1: all your questions from our dms. Just a quick shout
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  Speaker 1: it really is me behind them posting every.
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  Speaker 2: Day, So it's not me.
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  Speaker 1: We can afford like a guy who does that for us,
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  Speaker 1: so check it out. Use the same ten.
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  Speaker 3: Everything tends to steal pens.
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  Speaker 1: But you did. You almost gave me the Haitian mother. Look.
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  Speaker 1: Melissa does this face when she's about well, it's not
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  Speaker 1: it's not. It's her imitation of her mother, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: who my mom.
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  Speaker 4: I grew up in a household where you got your
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  Speaker 4: ass beat And when she would get mad and she
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  Speaker 4: was about to hit me, if she was sitting, she
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  Speaker 4: would always wait, I'm gonna do it for you.
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  Speaker 2: That's her bending down.
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  Speaker 1: To slowly bending down with this look like.
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  Speaker 2: With the eye contact, about.
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  Speaker 1: To whip a sandal at you. A slipper, it.
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  Speaker 4: Was, it was always a slipper. They were called batta
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  Speaker 4: and uh. They were like leather at the bottom and
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  Speaker 4: the top and the and the the song part of
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  Speaker 4: it was they came in like multiple colors, and the
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  Speaker 4: ones that my mom used to beat my ass with
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  Speaker 4: were orange.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever I say something crazy, Melissa gives me the look
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  Speaker 1: you're just about to beat me with.
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  Speaker 2: The slipper grass.
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  Speaker 1: I know that look. I know I'm in trouble. Let's
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  Speaker 1: get into a sidebar. Let's talk about what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: What's happening this week in our life?
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  Speaker 2: So many things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I said something earlier, because something's going on
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  Speaker 1: in the lighting in this studio, and I just have
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  Speaker 1: to speak to it because every time we come to
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  Speaker 1: the studio they have a different lighting setup. And it's
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  Speaker 1: almost as if I looked hideous the week before, is
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  Speaker 1: how I perceive it. I'm like, oh wow, it was
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  Speaker 1: so bad last week that we actually we flew in
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  Speaker 1: a specialist from Canada who created this new light fixture.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of finally know how to light.
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  Speaker 4: You are so self absorbed, so it's all about you
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  Speaker 4: at all times.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what the other thing is? Do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Do you imagine? Because I say this to Andre all
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  Speaker 4: the time. When I tell him to wear something something,
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  Speaker 4: He's like, no, I'll look dumb. In what world does
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  Speaker 4: it make sense for me to tell are to wear
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  Speaker 4: something that he's gonna look stupid?
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  Speaker 2: At ye?
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  Speaker 4: In what world does it make sense that I let
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  Speaker 4: you go out look.
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  Speaker 1: Like a nut job? That's true, that's true?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Would you let me look? And now I feel like,
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  Speaker 2: would you let me look crazy?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: What? Never?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 6: Chance?
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I tell you.
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  Speaker 2: We have to reset.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I am paranoid, but not sometimes the paranoid
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  Speaker 1: is right like a broken clock is right twice a day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm afraid for you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get Bronzer on the mic. We're okay.
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  Speaker 2: So if you notice the lighting is different because started
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  Speaker 2: throwing things around, I threw and now a lighting. But again,
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  Speaker 2: can you imagine.
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  Speaker 1: You are one of the few friends who's not like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I do look great and I look hideous.
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  Speaker 1: You will be like take that off right now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or you'll be like, we got a you've got something
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  Speaker 1: on your face? What's that in your teeth? Be that friend,
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  Speaker 1: Be that friend for someone, and at least have one
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  Speaker 1: person in your life who can do no.
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  Speaker 4: I mean honestly, like, especially we do stuff together, and
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think I'd be able to look.
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  Speaker 4: At you and not mention the thing that's not right.
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  Speaker 4: But like, that's a big black schmutz on your ear.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have a poker face. Every thought is on.
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  Speaker 1: Don't ever go to Vegas. No, you'll lose because every
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  Speaker 1: emotion is right there on your face.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I have been known to hold it back,
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  Speaker 4: but but like, why should I bother with you?
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  Speaker 1: When someone said, like telling you something insane? You are
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  Speaker 1: really good? It just kind of like, yeah, tell me
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't you Wow, yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Then I'll get a text, my text from a
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  Speaker 1: listone something that this is what you say, yo, Yeah
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  Speaker 1: that is why. Oh and that's the text I got. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it's never like hey, Michael, here's something that's going on.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's some function is happening when I get
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  Speaker 1: YO and I'm like, drop everything here. We got the
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  Speaker 1: tea yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah is piping and it's usually so the YO.
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  Speaker 1: Is like, Yo, I need to brace myself.
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  Speaker 4: So and so has said something that is so Do
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  Speaker 4: you remember there was a moment So I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if people people must know this, right.
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  Speaker 2: Michael and I used to work together.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember we were reading something that somebody who
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  Speaker 4: is a professional writer had Do you remember this had
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  Speaker 4: sent us? And I looked at it and I started throwing.
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  Speaker 2: Things across the room.
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  Speaker 4: I was livid, like I cannot believe that this person
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  Speaker 4: makes this amount of money and.
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  Speaker 2: This is that's what we've got.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: I was so and Michael had to like talk me down.
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  Speaker 4: He was like, Melissa, it's fine, we'll fix it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't want to have to fix it.
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  Speaker 2: That's her goddamn job.
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  Speaker 1: So mad you get so, yeah, there the there's other
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  Speaker 1: things you've been totally incensed by recently.
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  Speaker 2: Recently the world.
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  Speaker 1: It's the world, but you, yeah, there are sometimes things
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  Speaker 1: and it's never with you. I've noticed this about you.
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  Speaker 1: It's not the roast it is it's the Doctor Phil show.
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  Speaker 1: It is psychologically, I notice what happens with you.
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's never the horrific thing and it's and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: not it's not like headlines. It's always like the straw
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  Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back, and you fixate on the
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  Speaker 1: one little stupid thing and you get so mad about that.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that whenever you're upset about that, it's
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  Speaker 1: because of the year of bullshit leading up to that,
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  Speaker 1: where you weren't complaining, where you weren't.
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  Speaker 2: Saying anything, or I was just choking it back.
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  Speaker 1: And then someone coughs and doesn't cover their mouth and
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  Speaker 1: you get out of glock and the ar and it
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  Speaker 1: really is it is, yeah, murder on the dance floor.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that?
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  Speaker 1: And then she keeps their car? Do I think?
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  Speaker 2: What do you think that? That is a Taurus trait?
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  Speaker 2: I think that it is.
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  Speaker 1: You told me once you were like I was mad
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  Speaker 1: at my dad for something. And this is one hundred
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: You were mad at your daughter. I was mad.
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  Speaker 1: I was not at my dad, and you were like, Michael,
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  Speaker 1: you have to say something because you and I are
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  Speaker 1: the same. We're both tauruses.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up on tours season.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Buckalop.
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  Speaker 2: My birthdays are two days apart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you said you need to say something to
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  Speaker 1: your dad otherwise you'll be at the dinner table and
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  Speaker 1: you'll just explode.
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  Speaker 2: You'll do that what's her name from Housewives which he.
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  Speaker 1: Throws the table, Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Or Cardi B Jude Ice or Cardi B.
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  Speaker 4: What is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And you're right, you do just kind of have
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  Speaker 1: to say something.
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  Speaker 2: You do.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a tourist trait where we hold it in.
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  Speaker 1: I do hold it in, and we wait and wait
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  Speaker 1: and wait, and then it's that one time my husband
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  Speaker 1: loads the dishwasher wrong and he puts the leg crusan Melissa, No, yes, no, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: And he's being brought up on war crimes at the
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  Speaker 1: Hague like it's actually so bad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So now I'm wondering, what did you not teach.
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  Speaker 1: Him, Melissa. This is the state of education in America.
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  Speaker 1: Cannot be left at my feet. You can't lay that
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  Speaker 1: at my feet.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to lay all of.
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  Speaker 4: It at your feet, but I am going to lay
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  Speaker 4: your husband putting in the Luquist in the dishwasher at
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  Speaker 4: your feet.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone learns in different ways, right. We have visual learners,
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  Speaker 1: we have people who need to be beaten.
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  Speaker 2: What'sd why are you doing that?
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  Speaker 1: I bring it up every time and he's like, it
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  Speaker 1: takes two seconds to wash this. Yeah, it's the size
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  Speaker 1: of a buick for sure. To put that in the dishwasher.
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  Speaker 2: You can't put anything else in there.
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  Speaker 1: It's a it's a one night only engagement. We've got
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  Speaker 1: just the La Cruse cycle going now, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: going to clean it. We like burned macaroni in that
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  Speaker 1: it's not coming out. That is that is an elbow
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  Speaker 1: grease situation. The dawn that saves the ducklings from the
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  Speaker 1: oil spills isn't even going to be able to know.
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  Speaker 2: You need like a barman's keeper or whatever that one is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the barman's keeper. We need that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a fabulous so equivalent.
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  Speaker 2: No, okay, not for that, Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I had to tell Andre many times that he can't
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  Speaker 4: put cast iron in the dishwasher.
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  Speaker 1: But that is actually wicked.
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  Speaker 2: He was, and he was just like why not.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, it's nice. It takes the blackout, it comes
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  Speaker 1: out light brown.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a rust, babe, that's rust. He doesn't do
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  Speaker 2: it anymore.
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  Speaker 1: He's learned, but it took a while. Yeah. The thing
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  Speaker 1: is is that I think what's happening in our house
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  Speaker 1: is we alternate nights of dishes. So if you walk
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  Speaker 1: the dog, you fold the laundry and sort of get
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  Speaker 1: the bedroom ready. If you do the dishes, you tidy
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  Speaker 1: up the living room and hang up the coats.
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  Speaker 2: So wait, why don't you hanging up your own coats
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  Speaker 2: every night? You sho're not gonna answer me. No, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not okay, So you guys come and just throw the
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  Speaker 2: coats on the floor.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, I don't owe you any answers.
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  Speaker 4: I disagree. I'm asking you a question. You should provide
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  Speaker 4: me with the answer.
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  Speaker 1: If during the course of a day, there's like the
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  Speaker 1: clothing chair. You don't have a clothing chair. It's the
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  Speaker 1: chair you throw all your clothes and bag and I have.
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  Speaker 2: Like a basket. But yes, it's the same, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. We're not throwing them, I mean sometimes on
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  Speaker 1: the floor, but not it's like the bench by the door.
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  Speaker 2: We throw I mean Andre, every every day, every day.
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  Speaker 1: I cut to you and me in divorce court, like
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  Speaker 1: the two of us are not gonna that's not We're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna make it.
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  Speaker 4: Not even at this point, is like I just sort
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  Speaker 4: of like, pick it up now, but Andre to wear socks,
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  Speaker 4: t shirt on the floor in a pile.
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  Speaker 1: Every tears it off, just what you know what. And
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  Speaker 1: some days it do be like that. Every day I
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  Speaker 1: got to rip your close off. It's if it's August,
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  Speaker 1: it's every day off of me.
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  Speaker 2: It's every damn yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's every day.
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  Speaker 1: I love that though, that is like, I think that's great,
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  Speaker 1: do you Yeah. I think it's so liberating, it's so freeing.
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  Speaker 1: It's very like Upstate Commune of him. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: It is very much like Flower Crown energy.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe, but I just think, you know, he thinks there's
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  Speaker 4: a magic fairy who comes in to pick up That's oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is what I want to tell you. Sorry, speaking
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  Speaker 4: of picking up things, I'm sorry. It's all gonna make
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  Speaker 4: so much sense. So I finally caved and we have
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  Speaker 4: a cleaning person.
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  Speaker 5: You do.
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  Speaker 1: I love it support an immigrant community.
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  Speaker 2: Like I love that, I do you know what's an immigrant?
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  Speaker 1: Well I'm that's actually great. Thank you for clocking my privilege,
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  Speaker 1: not assuming we had a white cleaning lady growing up.
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  Speaker 1: But wait no, she was Polish, so she was an immigrant.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so tell me not an immigrant she is? Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you fucking fuck you.
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  Speaker 3: She is.
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  Speaker 1: Just like I just wanted to make a white man
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  Speaker 1: uncomfortable for.
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  Speaker 2: Us, because you know what to be roasty, you all
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  Speaker 2: need to be roasted every now.
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  Speaker 1: Want to catch me with the accountability, I admitted it, But.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so nice to like just have a clean
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  Speaker 4: place and everything is where it's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 2: So that's great.
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  Speaker 4: And also, you know, a friend of mine was saying,
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  Speaker 4: and you're also hiring somebody, you're helping putting money into
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  Speaker 4: the economy.
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  Speaker 2: All that is really true.
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  Speaker 4: There is a part of me, though, that feels guilty
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  Speaker 4: about it, Like it's just the two of us and
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  Speaker 4: Arthur Weasley. There is no reason why the two of
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  Speaker 4: us together cannot clean our own place.
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  Speaker 1: So the guilt isn't about having someone clean up after you.
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  Speaker 1: It's the guilt is over, like you feel like you failed.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, the guilt is.
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  Speaker 4: The guilt is why do I need someone to clean
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  Speaker 4: my home? I am capable of cleaning my home.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not going to do it very well.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's the apartment right now is as clean as
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  Speaker 1: it's going to get with my efforts, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: very clean.
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  Speaker 2: Is it not clean or is it messy?
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  Speaker 1: It's not clean? Oh, Like I'm not like taking a
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  Speaker 1: Saturday to like scrub everything and mop and sweep, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Okay, So I think that's where
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  Speaker 1: that is for me, Okay, but for you, you're feeling
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  Speaker 1: like I should be doing this.
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  Speaker 4: You're feeling like I should be doing this. There are
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  Speaker 4: already things that I don't do, Like I don't really
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  Speaker 4: do laundry. We send our laundry out and I don't
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  Speaker 4: even take it to a place. They come to my
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  Speaker 4: house and they pick it up in a drop it back.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling. Do you feel a way about
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  Speaker 1: that at all?
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  Speaker 2: Great about that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? We had? Okay, so in our old apartment, every
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  Speaker 1: time the cleaner would come and it was like once
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  Speaker 1: a month or every other month. The outlet in our
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: bedroom was like always unplugged.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: What were they plugging in?
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: And Brad and I were like, is she like filming
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  Speaker 1: in the bedroom or something? It was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: was like is there Like I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know her, Like I don't She's a beautiful young woman,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, is she like filming? Is she like
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  Speaker 1: a cam girl? Like? What is happening in the bedroom?
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  Speaker 1: And so I called Shermaine who knows everything. She's just
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  Speaker 1: like I just have one of these friends. She's like,
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  Speaker 1: fucking who knows that wikipedia, She's just she's just good.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, you're such a stupid idiot. She's like
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  Speaker 1: she's gotta plug in the vacuum. It's like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that does make much more sense than she's moonlighting as
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  Speaker 1: a cam girl in my bed. Like she's just like
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: you know what, slanging and banging while in my bedroom
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  Speaker 1: then cleaning it up.
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  Speaker 2: Some vacuum.
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  Speaker 1: It was always in the bedroom. And then I was like, oh, right,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: there is I was like, what is she doing? Ouldry, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we just had boomer banks that last week. But then
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you're right, there is only one outlet
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  Speaker 1: in the bedroom and she probably just wasn't plugging the
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  Speaker 1: lamp back in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so funny.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Let's get into your algorithm is showing what's going on.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: What is it in your feed today?
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: What's in your feet? We've been talking about my feet
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  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: I've been talking about my feed. Have you seen punch
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  Speaker 1: the monkey at all? Has this like hit your feet
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  Speaker 1: at all? You were obsessed with the baby hippo.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: I love hippos so much.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Melissa was obsessed with what was the name of.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: It, Fiona? Her name was Fiona.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: But you didn't see Melissa's face. If you're listening to this,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen like such empathy and like empathy, heartfelt
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: warmth come on an expression from you.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's not true.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: It's not that it's uncommon, it's just it really shone through.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: When you said Fiona, you went Fiona the shoe gaisy
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: koy moment.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: So just generally I like hippos.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I think she she's like, okay, so more about Fiona, yes, no,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: but no, no no.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I just generally I like hippos. I think they're cute.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I am well aware. I am well aware.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: That they're not very nice and that they kill you
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: just because they can. But I still and they know
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: the best.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: What same girl right back at you.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: You're talking to.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: The woman who kicked him man on the subway, and
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: you're tongue.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: He takes me first, and he had it coming. Let
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: the record reflect.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: He knows what he did.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: He know, he knows what he did. But yeah, so
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: I just happened to light them. And then there was
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: like this new one that was born, and she was
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: so cute, so cute and chubby. Her little ears would
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: wiggle and.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: They're slimy little skin. It was very cute. It was
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: very cute. I even think the big hippos are cute.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think they're so cute. They're just really nasty.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Did you know that Colombia, sorry, Pablo Escobar.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Had like a whole zoo, had a hole ze, yes,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: and they didn't know what to do with it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: He imported hippos and then when she got back a Pablo,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: the hippos got loose in the wild in the jungles
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: of Colombia where they are breeding like rabbit. They're they're
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: changing the infrastructure, the ecosystem in Colombia. The local people
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: now have done this thing where they're making money off
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: of this. They have tours Escobar's hippos. The hippos are
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: killing people left and right. It's bananas.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of all about it though.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: That sounds kind of I know, but they're not indigenous
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: to Colombia, so it's actually really.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: It's not like one of these like oh more.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: And apparently I think I read I could be wrong,
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: but like their scat is really toxic for the area.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't know, but whatever, that's what I read.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: And it makes me worry because it's like there's really
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: only one solution to that, you know what I mean.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And I don't think it's like where we're air airlifting
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: hippos out and like placing them in zoos. I don't
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: think that's how.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's And so there was this movement
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: to get rid of them. But the local the people
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: of the area who have now started to make money
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: off of this, they like, please do not do this.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: You will send us directly back into poverty. Really fascinating
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: that interestingnation, I know, but did you imagine, like, oh,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: I think I'm just going to get a zoo and
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I'm going to get a I'm going to know his arket.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: So Punch the Monkey has gone viral, okay, and I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: already ordered a shirt. It's okay. It's going to get
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: here in four to six weeks. It's being hand embroidered.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: We talked about it already.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Let me see what this say is.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, look up the monkey. I'll look him up.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: So he's very cute and he is being bullied by
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: all the other monkeys at this suit. And I believe
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it's tokyo, right c J.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. Let me just say this. When you Google,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is this?
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: When you Google Punch the Monkey and it comes up,
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Google sends hearts with a monkey in it?
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Did you know?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: No, there's a lot of support. I don't think so.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know Google could do that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Neither did I, but it just did it. Wow, that's weird.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: You know what though, I gotta tell you my cousin
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Erica loves monkeys, and and we talk about this all
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the time about how I don't like monkeys.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I don't like monkeys. I'm not like they're a monkey.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Girly like too much like people. I don't like.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: That, and like once they turn around, they've got like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: gross butts. They've got like like a.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Bad boon, but the bad boone butt, I think. But
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I think the bad boon butt is especially when they're
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: in heat.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I think what I think? I think I think got
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: the good thing.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Even David Attenborough could narrate that into like a fun
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: cute moment.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I think I think that's what it is, But I'm
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: not sure.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: The bad boon when bum, he would say bum right
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: on his bum. So, so Punch is getting bullied by
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the other monkeys.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Apparently two days ago he was making friends and fitting
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: then Okay, that.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Is really that's actually reassuring because it has kept my
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: household up at night. Brad is deeply invested the.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Monkey finally by his peers after primate was abandoned by
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: What the way with a live coverage, it's a live feed.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, we've got Chris John amenpor being lowered
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: into the monkey tank.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: These are the questions that people ask in Google. Is
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: punched the monkey? Okay, now we'll punch the monkey? Be okay,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: what's going on with punch the monkey? What is punch
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: the monkey? I'm here to answer all your questions.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: He does. I'm sure he does. And so he was
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: being bullied finally being accepted. It sounds like, but before
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: then he had a stuffed animal. I see it that
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: he was self soothing with around the world. Yeah, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the zoo keepers were sort of and the zoo keepers
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: would come in to feed the monkeys and he would
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: jump on the zoo keeper's shoulders to kind of like.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Because it didn't have to cuddle.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: He didn't have any friends. Yeah, so that's been hitting
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: my feed.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: It's very sad. Now I'm looking at it. God, damn it.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: See now you're really invested.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: No, but it's sad Like looking at him sort of
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: like cuddling with his plushy is weird.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: It makes me feel sad.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I saw one tweet that was like, I know that
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: plushy smells ripe. Discuss I know that thing smells nasty.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Anyway, go ahead.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: My niece has been asking me to get her something
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: this like viral squishy squishy toy. It's it's like a
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: stress ball, but it's I forget what it is.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Big.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: It's called.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Michael Rude.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I bet it's the toy store. I'm
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: trying to get my niece this freaking stress Wait, there's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a line, it's like a beanie baby line to get
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: these stress balls for kids. They're called like something dough
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: d o h, me dough and e E d o h.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And the kids are going wild for them. And so
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: my niece texted me she wanted one. So I've got
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a local toy store in my neighborhood that I was
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: going to anyway to buy a gift for someone. So
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey, do you have the needles? The
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: woman rolled her eyes in my face is she scoff scoffed,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: like I had just asked her for the hope diamond.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, what, Like, I was just googled. I
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: didn't know that they were sold for your simple bit stupid.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: And then she spit on me. She said get out,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you had it coming and I was like sorry, I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: didn't realize, and she was like, you don't understand. The
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: phone's been ringing off the hook all day asking for
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the need do She's like, it's only five dollars. It's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: basically a stress ball. And I was like, okay, well
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: can I get one? And she was like, look, you
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: clearly have no idea what's going on in the world, right,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: You're clearly so focused on punch the monkey. You don't
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: know anything about what's happening in my world of children's toys, sir.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And she said, why don't you come back tomorrow with
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: cash four one pm? She said, because the kids at
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: the local public school get out for lunch around twelve
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: forty five one o'clock. So she said, get here before
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: them with cash, because there's going to be a line
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: out out the door around twelve forty.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Five, so you should go there before that.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: She said, you need to come here before then with cash. Yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: because the FedEx guy arrives between eleven and three, so
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you can come back around eleven and try and see it.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And she wasn't, Well, it's a hold one for you.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, you know, did you try
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: and no dice?
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: No dice?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Wow? And I mean she's got ethics and scruples, scruples.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I rarely hear the words scruples anymore.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Because people don't have them anymore. Michael scoops.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So it's so Shakespeareance, there was so Hamnet.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: There was a trashy novel I read that was called Scruples,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: And I think there was a.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Mad TV toll stoy No no.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: No stop, no no no stop.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: How dare you don't hold on? Let's put some respect
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: on his name.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Told there, So, which size is Maddie want? There's a
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: there's a big.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is, I'm going to get whatever
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I can get my dirty little hands on, and there's
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and then she's going to be like, I don't know
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that one. She's like, that wasn't the one I was
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: looking at. So you know, I'm going to do my
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: best as the fun uncle, and we're going to see
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: what happens. Because I did call this morning and the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: woman took the phone off the hook at the toy store,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: so clearly someone's people are harassing her. She's just like
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: this bald lawyer keeps showing up and bothering me. So
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: we're gonna we really are going to see where that goes.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I know there's more important things in the world. Well,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: but it's so rare, and it was actually like kind
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: of fun throwback for me waiting for like a Harry
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Potter book when I was younger, or waiting for a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: beanie baby drop or do you have Beanie Baby? I
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: was a beanie baby kid.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: How many beaning babies did you have a lot of them?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Not like a lot, but I was like really excited.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It was like, you know, we would get excited about
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the shipman coming in, like would the new beanie baby drop.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So it did kind of bring me back to the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: choice of my youth before I was a hardened criminal,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: before this life of crime.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: And you know this before you got jaded.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this sort of hard knock life.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Scruples is a best selling nineteen seventy eight novel by
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Judith Krantz. It follows the glamorous life of Wilhelmina Billy Winthrop,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: the owner of a high end Beverly Hills boutique, exploring
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: themes of fashion, Hollywood, and romance. And there were two
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I think there were like two made for TV movies
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: about this in nineteen seventy eight. I probably read this
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: book when I was like ten. I should not have
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: been reading this book.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of petticoats getting lifted up, well bush,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: lot of blushing.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, women smelling like lab let's.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Bring back petticoats in the word scruples. I think that's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: our take from today. I think if I start using
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: scruples in court. Actually, I know one judge that would
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: love for me.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: To use words like shoes.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's always commenting on my beard. So I have
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: appearances before this judge.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why is he commenting on your face?
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Every time I see him, He's like, oh, you shaved.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Like, oh you shave, Like what a refreshing change.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: It's just an observations and he's it's never like good
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: or bad.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It's all observation.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Counselor you have a beard, And I'm like, yes, I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: noticed it's on my face. Yeah. So we're very friendly
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you and this judge. Yeah, but I did kind of
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: have to throw down the gauntlet on him a little
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: bit this week because it was it was today, it
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was this morning.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: So basically in America, we've talked a little bit about
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: like bond proceedings and how like people are just like
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: languishing and bond detention centers, and basically judges are saying, like,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: we don't have dhs. Trump administration are like making up
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: rules where it's like, oh, if you're in this type
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: of category and if you carry the one and if
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you're wearing red on that day, you don't qualify for Bond, right,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and it's just like this weird, like back of the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Cereal box maze that they're kind of creating. But the judges,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of judges are like, oh, they're just kind
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of I wouldn't say blindly, but they're agreeing and saying, oh, well,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I don't have jurisdiction to sort of rule on bond anymore.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: And so what I've been trying to do is, because
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I have scruples, I've been trying to get them on
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the judges on the record saying that they don't have jurisdiction.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like tucking my hair behind my ear,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: tossing my hair just like nice, just like a nice
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: blonde boy from Long Island beard or no beer. Why
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: don't you have jurisdiction? I don't get it. And they're like, oh, well,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: because like this rule, and I'm like, oh okay. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: then I'm like, so, if you don't have jurisdiction to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: rule on Bond, I guess I'll file a rid of habeas.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I guess, like I don't. This is my first day.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this control out to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: lead like I'm not sure what do I do? And
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, like, I guess if you wanted to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: file a rite of habeas in state or in federal court,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: like you could do that. That is like what some
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: counselors doing. Meanwhile, I've read the entire practice manual on
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: how this works. It's written by the acl Use blasts
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Ow practice manuals when they's developing case law, and so
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I know exactly like what we're supposed to know. And
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, Judge, for that hearing that I'm going
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to have in federal court, could you maybe set an
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: alternate bond so I could tell that Judge, if it
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: weren't for your jurisdiction problem, you would assign this bond amount.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: But you can't because you're not going to rule because
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: you don't have jurisdiction. Give me like a plan B,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: and does that work? Sometimes it works. So sometimes they're like, oh, yeah, sure,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: if we did have jurisdiction, it would be two thousand
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: dollars okay. And then I go to federal court and
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's two thousand dollars. They said it's two thousand.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: I got him on the record saying alternate bond is
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: two grand if he had jurisdiction, So your honor in
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: federal court rule in our favor that he should be
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: released and I can get him out for two grand
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I already got him to commit to it. So that's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: how like the ACLU is advising practicing immigration attorneys to
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: handle immigration judges who are like I don't have jurisdiction.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of insider baseball. But it
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: is like, I'm kind of having fun. I'm kind of
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: enjoying it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Well because you like messing with people.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love just and it's legal strategy. Like
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it's not even like being a shady bitch where I'm
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: like manipulating people like it doing my everyday life. But
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: then I'm in court and I get to say it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: legal strategy. Oh that's really nice. So it's really fun to,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you know, abide by the rules and a certain legal
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: strategy in the courtroom and then go back to my
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: life where it can be a manipulative slut and.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: You do that very very well.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, speaking of your algorithm is showing I feel like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Timothy Shalomy getting canceled for the Ballet
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Opera that actually they're like mopping up his mess and
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: someone was saying that it cost him the Oscar.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, here's here's the thing. I saw that. But
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I also think.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: When you say that that cost him the Oscar, I
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: think it takes away from the person who actually won, right,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Like the idea.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: That Timothy Chalame was never on my mind for an Oscar,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: especially not for Marty Supreme.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: So it's really interesting that you're saying that that has
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: not hit my algorithm, almost that I don't.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Even know what it's about. I was at an Oscar
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: viewing party and my friend someone had to explain to
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: me what it was. It's about ping pong, okay, and
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I said, that's all I need to say.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, seriously, that's all.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I said, thank you so much. Where's the where the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: where's the crew de tee? I said, please pass the
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: where's the boy? Thank you? The charter? What does Oprah say?
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I love Shark Couterie.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: Do you remember that?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: She's like I love But yeah, Timothy Challame, I don't
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: know we're getting It's I just.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: I just don't care. I don't do you know what
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, like in the like not in a way
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: that I hold something. I just not on my radar.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: You don't hope he dies in a fire either. I'm
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, it wasn't care. It's given his it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: given flop. It's given flop era, I think. And also
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I will say, Dune.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Three, how many Dunes do we need?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: The Dune books don't get better as they go on,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Like the first one was fierce great, third one, huh,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Like it does get a little bit more wicked and wild.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So I feel like, I hope whoever the screenwriters are taking.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: No they're not.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I hope they're taking down that, putting their their spin
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: on it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I doubt, And yeah, giving her a glow up, especially
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: if it's the same. What I find is that.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Many times, not every time, so calm down, but many times,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: when there are like sequels of things, it just becomes
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: more watered down the more we get into it.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: And now it's like, I'll.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Say this, it's what what was it that I watched? Oh,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Masterful Beasts or whatever? Yeah, I went into that full
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: on Harry Potter person really excited about it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I watched it. Yeah, yeah, I don't know that I
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: needed it. And I'll go even further with the play.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Oh the play when I Harry Potter on Broadway.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: So when I when I want to go see it,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: it was the two day thing. But I didn't do
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: the two day. I did like the old day.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I will never get that time, then.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Multiple and again.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Remember, well, no, but you know how much I love
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: those stories, right, So I wanted this to you and
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I decided, you know what, I'm going to go by myself.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: This is going to be a Melissa Day.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: No, that Melissa Day was, Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I was deeply disappointed.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so just because something is good, yeah, doesn't
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: need we.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Need to like the Dune, we have to make the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: fifth So the whole like ensemble cast on audiobook.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Now, oh you know what, somebody gifted me the first
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: one and I listened to it and I did.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Not care for it, like I think. And so Timothy
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Shollley to clarify his statements were that ballet and opera
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: are like dead, are like Irrelevanteah, that was like sort
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of what he said. And then he said, oh, I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: guess I just lost one percent of my followers or something.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: So cavalier and Matthew McConaughey's face.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's the clip that I saw when
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: he's looking at him and he's just like.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, this guy's really Oh just let him dig
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: his Yeah, I'm just going to see He's like, I'm
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: going to be polytrates now, Matthew McConaughey and June four,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: because Timothy's contract is about to get going at least well,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: because now not only have you a fan did like
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: a community of people, you offended a community of people
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: known for being fucking dramatic. So like, good luck to you, sir,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: good night, and good luck on Shaw. You didn't. You
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: didn't offend the quiet librarian. You offended the oper thing.
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's known for yelling, belting out the notes and
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: who's on TikTok your toast man?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It just made him seem more irrelevant,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like you?
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: This is already not somebody that I cared about, But
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: now I'm looking for more reasons to not like you,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: because you're dumb.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Things as if you're relevant. You're saying things as if
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: everyone's like, what what's Timothy's opinion on this? Well, oh
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I can't. At a film festival a couple of years ago,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: he was like, oh, societal collapses in the air and
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, what, what are you talking about?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: A scholar?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Are you just anyone? What? Anyway, let's take a break.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: We've got a guest coming up. Welcome back to Brief Recess.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: This is under Oath. I'm so excited. I'm a huge fan.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have yo Anna from an extraordinary
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: modeling career. She's very well known in the modeling industry.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: You may know her as the winner of cycle two
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of America's Next Top Model. She is right now being
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: featured in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. It's America's Next Top Model
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: e documentary that was released at the same time as
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the Netflix documentary. So thank you so much for coming, Yoanna.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: We're so much.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Michael. I'm excited to talk with you and Melissa.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: It's nice to meet you, yo Wanna.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming. I thought it would just be
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: really interesting. I mean, this is a legal podcast, but
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: we cover everything everything, pop culture, news, everything that's going on.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: And I'm love being on social media, so we have
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: so many things that come up on my feed, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you were definitely one of them. I mean, like the
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: things that are going on right now as there is
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: this like reckoning moment in America for the history of
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: America's Next Top Model and really reality television in the
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: two thousands, right in thers. So I thought it would
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: be so cool to have you and welcome you to
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the show, and we really just want to like talk
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: to you and get to know you and hear about
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: your experiences. I want to ask, I think it would
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: be best if we start before you were on Archan Sextus, sure,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: because you had a long, incredible modeling career and it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: wasn't like it began with Tyra Banks.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's true. I think there's a little bit
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: of a misconception that I identified all of my modeling career
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: from being on the show. But no, I actually I
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: had lost a significant amount of weight because I did
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: want to break into modeling. I was at University of
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: studying International Relations and I had a chance to kind
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: of test do testing in Miami with a few agencies,
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: and I got discovered by Ford Models and they had
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: given me, Yeah, they'd given me a contract, but prior
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: to that, during the week that I got the contract,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I got the call to audition for the show. So
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I hadn't signed it yet and I remember telling Michelle Mack,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: who was the casting director, Hey, I have this model,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and she was very like, take it or leave it.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: If you want to come on the show, great, but
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: you can't. You know, I can't tell you what to do,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: but we don't accept models that have signed contracts to
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: come on this show. So I did the audition and
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: that was a very thorough long process, and I decided, well,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: you know, at least if I try out, I'll have
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a broader reach. I also thought there'd be some sort
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: of mentorship and great experience and kind of like somewhat
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: of a boot camp. And I thought, well, I can
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: come home to at least a contract waiting for me
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: with four models.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: What was that like then? So you went on America's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: ex Hum Model. You won. Spoiler alert it was not
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: it was a while ago, so no spoilers here. You
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: won your season. What was that journey like? Do you
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: feel like after America's sex Hum Model, this was that
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: was the right sort of path to take. Did you
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: have this moment where you were.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, I was thinking, like I was wondering in hindsight,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: if you had to do it all over again. Is
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: there any part of you that wishes that maybe you
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: had gone ahead and stayed with Ford, or do you
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: feel like you know you were at the right moment
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: at the right time, and being on America's Next Top
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Model was a good thing for you to do.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's hard for me to even answer that
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: because I come from Jacksonville, which is kind of a
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: small town but a big city, and I was really sheltered,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and so I feel like my ultimate goal was to
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: live in New York City and to work as a
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: fashion model. And I think, you know, I might have
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: stayed in the Florida market and gradually progressed, But in hindsight,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I think the one takeaway from the whole experience, I'm
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: not I don't deal well with Celebritism, and I find
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: because it opens the door to a lot of coolness,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: and it's very hard for me to even kind of
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: take a risk to at the time that I was
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: getting offers to go back on reality TV, and I
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: really just was adamant about staying the course and being
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: a fashion model and also growing in television, and that's
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: really where my I guess you could say I was
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: able to break out of the debt that incurred after
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: the show. I wasn't expecting a lot after the win,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: what was going to happen or what was going to
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: have to be on my shoulders, And it really was
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: eye opening and it kind of had to navigate how
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: to be a business woman.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: And so after you won the show, walk us through
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: what that experience was like. Right, there were certain promises
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: we're hearing all over the internet, We're seeing all over
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: these documentaries that really what was billed as Tyra was
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: going to be your mentor you were going to get
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: these modeling contracts, you were going to get signed by
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: these agencies. This was your career was pretty much guaranteed. Right,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: We're really learning now that that is not necessarily what
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: the takeaway was, or at least that promise not necessarily
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that that all of that was promised that you were
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: going to be a superstar if you won this show.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: But they weren't also dispelling that rumor or letting the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: girls know like, hey, yeah, it's really going to be
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: up to you your celebrity, how famous you are, how
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: far you make it in the modeling industry, that's really
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: going to be up to you, and whether you're an entrepreneur.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think that discussion hadn't even happened. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: just remember coming off the show You Go the Way.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: For six months, I was still nannying. I saved up
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: all of my money, and I knew I was going
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: to have to eventually move to New York. I didn't
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: know the day they announced me that I had to
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: live in New York. So we've been navigating where I
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: was going to live. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. And on
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: that same day, you know, getting established with an agency
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: that you know, that was the contract I won. It
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was only for one year, but I stayed for several years,
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: and it really was just a right to work. But
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: where they're empty promises a thousand percent, there was you're
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: going to be doing this, You're going to be doing that.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: So in my mind I kept building up, Oh great,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: now I'm going to be self sufficient and I can
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: take care of myself. They're going to be introducing me
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: to this client and to that client, and they have
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: a lot of pull because of their record. You know,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I don't want to throw names out there, but you know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: certain people are very recognized, and I thought, Okay, they're
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: gonna want to They're gonna want to introduce me I'm
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: gonna make introductions and I'm gonna work hard to prove
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: myself after this and ended up being where I just
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: felt it was more about being a jockey, uh for
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the franchise and having to constantly do appearance after appearance
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: after appearance after appearance, and I was getting billed for
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: all those appearances in regards to hair, makeup, car services
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: if there was a flight or a delay, and I
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: was I was shocked. I was shocked that, you know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: maybe being so naive and trusting that I thought it
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: would have gotten taken care of by the network, but no,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: it was all on me. And that was separate from
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: what was the debt incurring with the agency because I
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: had to rebuild my whole portfolio. They couldn't use any
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: of the images from the show, and so I had to.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Interest you because it's all owned by the network.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: It's all yeah, I mean, and I think it doesn't
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: really sell a model because you have to be so
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: toned down. So that day when I signed, I went
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: directly to go shoot with some of the world's greatest
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: photographers and I was having to incur which the testing
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: fees I and and that would be the branding for
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: the agency. So that was that was a whole separate
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: debt that I was incurring. And then I was having
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: to figure out how I was going to maintain living
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: in New York while doing all of this. And a
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: big part of the shock to me was with all
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: the appearances, I did have work coming in, but I
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to take some of the jobs because I
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: was indebted to the franchise and they got seniority over
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: me being able to work.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a lot of crazy.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: So just for people who are listening and maybe don't understand,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: so you had signed this contract to be on this show.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: It sounds like all these terms were in that contract.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: You're going to do all these appearances. It's going to
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: be at your own expense. We get first right over
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a few usual for any if you book a gig
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and we have you booked at that same time, they
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: could kill a deal that you got in market because
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: you already signed that contract.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I had two great deals that were like in the works,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: and they were like, I'm sorry, but you have to
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: go up here. And then I started becoming really angry
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: because I thought, Okay, first of all, how am I
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: going to be able to afford to maintain the title
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: of America's next top model when I'm not even able
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: to take some of the jobs that they're are.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I can't even just take work that any model it
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: could could get a gig.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: So, you know, so after you win, is that when
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: you sign a contract for the year that's ahead of
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: you and did you get an opportunity to show that
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: contract to anybody else or did you? And you know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: and being young and naive or whatever, you just would
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: have signed it thinking that I should trust these people.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I have a fun we have a funny thing. Because
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: you're an attorney, Michael, I think anytime you're like I'm
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: going to get an attorney to look at this well
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: to do that, you're around grateful and you don't want
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: this job and write. So it was very like, oh crap,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Like okay, so I remember, I remember signing onto the
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: show and if you want, and the fine print was there. However,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I do not recall anything in regards to appearances or
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: how many and I'm not talking three, four, five, six, seven, eight, No,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: it was like getting into the dozens, and you know,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: also going on onto the show, doing all these red
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: carpet events, doing charity events, doing step and repeats for
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: the network. It was like, I mean, in hindsight, it
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: was just so many and then you know, and I'll
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: be honest, it was overwhelming. I didn't have the clothes
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: to support the appearances. I didn't have the budget to
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: do that, and a lot of the fashion houses did
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: not want to lend to a winner of America's Next
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Top Model.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Sure, why do you think that was because you were
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: on an earlier season the sort of campiness of the
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: show hadn't They really leaned hard into the insanity, right.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I think at one point we have images of the models,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the contestants walking down a runway where there's like a
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: clock pendulum swinging like knocked and girls off the runway. Yeah,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: there was like a runway challenge where they're on a
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: treadmill and aid and chiels, like they really got truly
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: insane camp with it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: There was another runway that I remember where it was on.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: Water and the models had some sort of the steps
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: were on water, but they were like wobbling and these
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: girls were in high heels and they're trying to and what.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: I remember it was fear factor pretty much.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: But I just remember looking at that and feeling like
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: and you know, and Tyra and all the others were
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: like laughing and giggling, and you know, it felt very mean,
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: like mean girl to me.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Well, I think they practiced for the wildlong West of
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: the Internet, didn't they.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, they did, yet they did, and I signed up.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of like grateful for you know, what I
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: took away from, which is navigating not giving so much
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: energy and response of a negative confrontation. But you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: it also made me stronger in regards to the business side.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it started becoming where it was they were
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: definitely humiliating the girls and I didn't watch it after
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: my season because of that. That was my main reason.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to see girls being humiliated. And I
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: thought that as the seasons went on, the more of
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: the shoots were becoming more and more outlandish and ridiculous,
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: and they didn't really translate into the fashion arena. So
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: you know, I kind of just felt a little bit
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: jaded for what they were doing to the rest of
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: the contestants and the hopeful I think the thing with
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: people don't understand I wanted the right to work, and
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of these girls on and we're so naive
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: and we're so trusting that we're like, Okay, this is
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: going to be this is really going to help us
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: have a farther reach. We're going to have more opportunities,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: We're gonna be able to be self sufficient. And it
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: just you know, I came at a cost.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: So you won your season, you had this experience. You've
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: really managed to build an incredible career after winning your season.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: It sounds like against all odds.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Oh the odds were well. Also, when I won, there
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: was no social media, so there was no fact checking
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: to know what I had been doing.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no way for people to be like, oh,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: look she's at this event, or oh that's the fiftieth
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: tharity event. Yeah, in the same dress.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I know, kind of great, but no, Yeah, one of
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: the I did do a lot of fashion modeling during
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: that time in New York, and I traveled worldwide. I
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: had a cosmetic campaigns, I did a lot of fashion
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: commentating and reporting, and I had my own Shawnee Networks,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: and I had multiple specials with the Lore magazine. I
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: did a Vogue Beauty TV. I mean, the list was
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: really insane as far as broadcasting, and it was at
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: a time when I think the only other model at
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: the agency was Heidi Klum who was getting into television.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: So they really did in me and doing that. And
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: then when I had left New York I had my son.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I did so much modeling much more when I moved
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: to Florida, because I guess the market for what I
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: who I was expanded, and it was and it was
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: amazing because I did catalogs, I booked QVC at home
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: shopping network opportunities. I had at least thirty covers within
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: the first two years. When I moved back, I did
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: like campaign for Waldorf Astoria, like a bunch of hotels,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of luxury. So when people say you should
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: have hustled, you should have had a career, honey, out
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: was working my ass.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Sure, you were, of course, certain and hard.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: You want to let me ask you a question before,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: before you were on America's Next Top Model and you
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: had signed with Ford, when you imagined yourself being a model,
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: what did that look like to you?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: You know, that's a great question because in the time
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: growing up, we were in the nineties, so that whole
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: era of like chic and photography and the quality of
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: fashion as far As was so fascinating to me, and
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: I think putting forth the effort of like really wanting
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: to belong and having that fashion background, I think ideally
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: at that age, I just wanted to break away from
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: the intensity of studying international relations and have a little
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: bit of fantasy. And I loved being behind the camera.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I loved I love, I love not being controlled by
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: a schedule. So I felt like being able to travel,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: having working around artists, working around creatives is something I've
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: always enjoyed. I'm very free spirited, so I like someone
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: picking up the phone, a manager or a booker saying, hey,
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: you're booked on this, you got to lead tomorrow. That
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: to me is what makes me feel exciting about life.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: So I think I think that was it. And I
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: also think I looked up to the top models like
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: Stephanie Seymour to me was like who I wanted to become,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: but my my own version, you know. And Doris Yeah,
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: so yeah, So it was really taken back and I
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: just I fell in love with the whole ideal of
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: just like being a part of that group.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: So after America's Next Top Model, were you paid as
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: the winner? Was there a prize? Money or what was
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that like?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Oh sorry, oh on is laughing.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I went in the.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Red, I went in the deficit, I went in debt,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: and I broke out of the debt and here I
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: am today.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. Congratulations, that's amazing. Yeah, okay, So walk me
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: through these documentaries. What is sort of happening right now
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: from your perspective, because we're seeing the clips, they're sort
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: of like dueling documentaries. We're seeing the clips. It seems
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: like Tyra and her team wanted to preempt the current
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: one on E by dropping a documentary on Netflix from
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Tyra's point of view, and I mean, this has been
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: memed to death, sure, but there are so many images
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: of Hyro and not taking accountability, putting the blame on
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: other people, showing that she was just really complicit with
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: what was happening to the girls and that you know,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: what was being sold to them was a faulty bill
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: of goods. Right. So then we have the documentary that
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: dropped that you are a part of with E. Tell
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: us about it, walk us through it. How is it
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: different from the Netflix one? What is going on? Like
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: it really is dominating the news cycles. People don't know
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: people are people are getting really heated about it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Sure, And what was so by participating what was your
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: goal right by being in this because documentary being this documentary,
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: because you've gone on to have, like you said, this
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: really wonderful, illustrious career, and this is a long time ago,
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: and you had said that, you know, one of the
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: things that you didn't really love was like that celebrity
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: that celebrity myth And so I'm wondering what the goal
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: was by participate painting in this doc.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that's a great question. So I knew about
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: both of the docs simultaneously at the same time, and
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: I was approached by Glass Entertainment Group and that's the
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: one that did the e Doctor. Officially it was going
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: to be on a separate network streaming platform, but I
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: think because the two had separated. However, whatever happened and
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: I did and I did know about Netflix. They had
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: I essentially they said it's best you couldn't do both
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: at the same time, even though some of a couple
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: of the girls did. But I heard initially that Tyra
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: had not signed on to do the Netflix, that they
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: had reached out to her and she had heard about
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: the documentaries and her team, they said they couldn't get
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: a clear answer, so I guess eventually she committed to
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: the Netflix, and I do believe from seeing it, I
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: think it was on the premise of hopefully getting people
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: to tune into cycle twenty five. I think that was
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: the goal. And I feel that one of the main
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: reasons that I came out to talk about my experience
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: was because this show has been packaged and sold worldwide
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: over one hundred and fifty countries. The same practices are
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: still happening, the same production, the same sort of exploitativeness
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: of what's going on, and at a certain point, I'm
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: a mom now I have a teenage son, but like
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I wanted to also come out and protect hopeful, naive
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: young people who are thinking this is going to be
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: the solution to their dreams and their goals and hopes,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: and I just wanted them to know, like, hey, the
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: ones in charge are making the money. And I think
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: it was an opportunity to come out. And also I
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: couldn't talk about what I was dealing with twenty years
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: ago because I wasn't ready to deal with it. I
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: had a severe exercise disorder after winning the show I
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: became so tiny to the point where you know, it
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: complicated a lot of things in my health, and I
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: felt like that was also something I wanted to come
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: out and share and be very vulnerable and help a
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: young lady or a daughter or a mother who is
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: dealing with the same because it's not a topic that
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: really gets discussed, especially in fashion. It's a lot of
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: it is behind closed doors, but they do not want
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: to come to surface, and so I thought it was
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: an opportunity to also kind of set a lot of
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: people that are struggling with the same things that I was. Free.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so take us through this documentary, tell us a
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: little bit about it, what you talk about, let people
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: know what is going on in there.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So this particular doc I think they had brought
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: a couple of the winners. I do think there's a
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: lot of cultural critics, which is good. I do think
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: they gave a lot of perspective of the era when
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I was on the show and kind of what their
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: interpretation of Tyra is, which I thought was very harsh,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: especially if they don't really know her that way. I
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: think it's all just assumption. And I think it was
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: also interesting for me from the Netflix stock hearing other
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: contestants and other winners and their stories and what they
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: had gone through, and I think a lot of people
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: vacillate with how positive it was and how negative it was.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: It's almost like we were in a cult. So yeah,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: so I feel like sometimes they go back to kind
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: of apologize to the main you know, the main cult leader,
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: and then they go back and they said no, but
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: really it wasn't that.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: It's a very strange dynamic seeing the contestants and then
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: them kind of shying away from their truth and then well.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: It's also like you also said that, like you went
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: into debt just afterwards, it would in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: if I won that show and I went into a
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: bunch of debt and then there was an opportunity to
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: kind of kiss the ring, maybe get a deal, maybe
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: get a contract, Like it makes sense why people are
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: maybe sucking up to trying to get some of their
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: own thing going with the network. Like I understand it, right,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the a lot of these women have been put into
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: a position of vulnerability just by virtue of being on
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: that show. People don't want to work with them maybe
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: or they're already kind of you know, we're part of
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: reality TV. I think it's it's interesting culturally to watch
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: what's happening, right, I mean, and many of the girls
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: came from a place of poverty before the show, right,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and they went on TV, got all this attention and
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: were lowered back into their community without any support systems.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: Sure, and I think a big part I felt a
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: lot of shame with the debt, partly because you know,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: my father was a physician in my hometown and my
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: mother and they had their practice. I didn't want the
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: stigma of like having a daughter who you know, they
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: were so proud of, and you know, being in the
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: small town and the way people talk, you know, and
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: coming back with a tale between my leg I mean,
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to work the hell out
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: of this debt. And I did because I wanted. I
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: want to let my parents down if they wanted me
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: to come home. They my mother had had enough of
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: the whole setup. She said, they're taking advantage of you.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: This is ridiculous. I don't like what they're doing with
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: you. You know, you don't see it, but we see it
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: as your parents, you know, come home.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: They do know, Mom, Yeah.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: And she kept saying come home, and she goes, we
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: know you're not telling us what you're really going through,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: and I wasn't. I was hiding it because I and
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: I wanted to stay in the game, and I also
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I wanted to work, and I was so proud of
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: the agency I was with that I just decided, you
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: know what, YO wanna this is going to be a lesson.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: You're going to take this as a lesson. You're going
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: to navigate it, and you're going to do the best
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: you can. But I do think it derailed a little
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: bit of my mental health, and that's why I think
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: it was so hard on myself with my body image
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: for sure, of.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Course, I mean sure, because here you were in front
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: of people who are supposed to know more than you,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: right because they've been in this business, and instead of
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: it sounds to me, instead of building you up, they
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: were sort of building you up to bring you down somehow, right,
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: because if you were the ideas, I'm going to be
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: this model, but they're not giving you the opportunity to work.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: It's almost like you were this indentured servant, you know
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like you were having to do all
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: these things, but you couldn't, you know, make your career
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: go forward in the way that you wanted to At
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: the time, I did want to ask you a question.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Sure, have you.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Seen Tyra Banks in recent times?
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: And if you did, what was that like?
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: And if you haven't seen her, what would you like
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: her to know about you or what would you like
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: to say to her?
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Have you seen her since you won?
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I saw her a bunch since I won.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: I'm very different in the sense that, gosh, how do
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I say this? She travels with the team, and I
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: get very uncomfortable with people who have entourages. It's something
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: that I've had to work through with I know I
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: had to sign an NDA, so I can't say who.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: But that's something for me I find very uncomfortable to
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: be around. And you know, I did get invited to
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: go on her talk show several times, and you know
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: I was paid then to go on to But you know,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: I just take it for what it is. And I
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: think a big part of it is she's not my buddy.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: She's not someone I'm going to pick up the phone
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: and you know, talk about what we're making for dinner tonight.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not really in awe of her, I think the
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: way a lot of people are. I have other people
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: that I look up to, and I think, of course
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: for her, it's just, you know, she's an extension of
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: a part of my life. Who knows, maybe if I'm
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: down in the land down Under, if I see her,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: I'll say hello, But you know, I don't know what.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you went through this whole experience. You now
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: there are these documentaries. What as you reflect on this
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: part of your life, what is your takeaway?
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: What are you sort of saying to yourself and to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: people who are maybe watching these documentaries formulating their own opinions,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: like what do you want them to know?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I think we've done a good job just spelling kind
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: of the myth of what it is to be the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: winner and what really happened, and just the economics of
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: what goes in. I mean, I can't really assume what
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: people are going to walk away with because I feel
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: like if I try to get into their heads, and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I did do that. After the doc I was like,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: I'm going to fight these people online and I'm going
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: to and then I thought, you, but I'm going to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: turn into into them. I want to, Yeah, and I'm
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: like you're like.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, so then I.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Come to you on TikTok and I laugh and I'm like,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I don't you know. I felt like I stopped replying
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: because it just became where you would see so much
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: positive and then it would be people just attacking and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: going for it, and I'm like, where's all this emotion
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: coming from. But I will say there is a rumor
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: that there is PR crisis in the mix.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I would be shocked if there weren't PR.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: So sometimes I.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: Look at a comment, I'm like, who is this bot?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: What is bot?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: What you bought?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Was this?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I mean because like you said, like the house always wins, right,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: and this is one hundred and fifty country franchise. This
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: isn't just Tyra. This is a machine, right that we're
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: talking about. So I mean, there's there are people freaking
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: out in a conference room somewhere as we speak. I'm sure, of.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Course, of course.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think that the idea was to sort
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: of try and explain away what had happened on the show.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: But now here is this other documentary that is giving
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: what happened on the show from the perspective of the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: people who were in the trenches.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Right, And I like what you've done. Honestly, I've been
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: watching how you've handled these interviews and how you approach it.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: A lot of people are, like you said, giving their
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: opinions and judgments of the situation. You have always been
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: really matter of fact of just the facts. You're like,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: this is what happened. Here are the words. What you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: do with it is up to you, which I appreciate
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: because there are there's a lot of opinions hopping in
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: the cop oh gosh, and.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: They're so emotional, I feel, And I wanted to come
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: from a very calm, matter of fact place, and I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: think that's why it was one of the main voices
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: that Glass Entertainment said. And I said, do I come
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: across complaining? And I said, no, You're just very matter
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: of fact. I said, I just wanted to be matter
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: of fact. I just wanted to cut through the fantasy
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: and give the audience. I mean, the title is America, right,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: so don't they have a right to know what really
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: happens after you come off of a show like that?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: And I think a big part of the aggression, I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: think is because they I think when you disclose or
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: you share something that is uncomfortable from what they believed
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: in their mind, or what they thought what they witnessed
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: watching on TV, or their perception of what they think
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: the fashion industry is really like. And a lot of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: these people comment and haven't ever even experienced the business
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: of being a fashion I feel that really is what
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: triggers them, because they don't want to look foolish. They
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: don't want to be like, oh, you're making me look stupid.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: I have this belief in my mind of how it
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: was supposed to be, and now you're putting the little
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: pin in that balloon. And that's that's what I take
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: away from everything.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, Well, is there anything that you're working
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: on right now you would like the listeners to know about.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I think they can check out the documentary if they
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: haven't already anything else you want people to pay attention
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: to it as we're working.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm still I do. I do a lot of
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: traveling workshops and I'm also affiliate now TikTok so I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I'm with the Russell Hartley team. So amazing learning the
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: whole world of TikTok. I know you're you're far more
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: advanced than I am.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: So Michael is prolific and TikTok.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's amazing because you just do it so
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: organically and I really in my head and you're like, oh,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I love listening to you.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you. You're very People asked me that a lot.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: They're like, how do you have time to like curate
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: your tiktoks? And I'm like, honey, I'm not curating it.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: It is filmed in the bathroom, like it is like
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: I'm running out a corner, I'm doing this and doing that,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: and I really am just so switching on the camera.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: So thank you. That's the kind of you.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how did you choose immigration law?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: It really chose me. I mean I've been practicing. I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: practiced criminal law. I've been at law firms before, but
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: once I kind of got one client and then it
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: really snowballed from there and there really is a huge
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: demand for immigration law for lawyers who know how to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: do that work. So once you kind of specialized and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: kind of get to know it, it gets I love it.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: You just get really busy really quickly, and next thing
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you're not working on those contracts or real
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: estate deals anymore.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I will tell you that.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: I remember when Michael started doing immigration law and we
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: remember he was like, he's like, you know, I feel
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: like I need to do something to help somebody. I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: was like, go ahead and do that, and I remember
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: him telling about it, and you know, I think one
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: of the things about Michael is like he comes. Somebody
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: was asking me about this. Is he really that way
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: all the time? The way that you see him on TikTok?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: And I was like, yes, but Michael is very thoughtful
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: and he he does really think about what can he
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: do to help somebody do something. So it's been as
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: his friend, it's been really nice to sort of watch
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: him turn into this this person over here.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say if it wasn't true, but like that's
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: I think people don't know that about Michael's Like he
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: one day was just like I need to do something
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: to help somebody. And it's sort of like one I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: think it was like one case.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: It was one case. So it was that kids like,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: oh that kid y. I had a kid who was
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: just like the coolest kid ever and I love him
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: so much.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: And I was like, and now he's almost a grown man.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: No, it's great, it's wonderful.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm so glad we got to
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: chat with you.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: I know, I hope you got the right answers.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, the right answers are whatever your truth is, Joanna.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Do you want to give us your socials?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: So I'm on Instagram I'm Yomania and that's y O
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: M A N I A. And then on TikTok I'm
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: yo Mania I think zero two.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much for joining us.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, takod care. It's nice to meet you.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: Bye bye, take care, bye bye.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Let's get into tails from the DMS. We've got some
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: incredible dms.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible, incredible people.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Y'all are absolutely y'all said, you know what, hold my drink.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pop a handstand and to work in
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Michael's DMS. The things y'all are sending me, and.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Let me just say, I love it so much. I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: was going to say, he oh my god, he's living
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I'm on the spin bike laughing. I'm like looking at
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the things, I'm like, you're killing me. Y'all are killing me.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: Anyway, Before we get into the DM's friends, what do
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: I always say. While Michael is a lawyer, he is
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: not your lawyer.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Get your own.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, so first of all, I just
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: have to jump in really quick with this one.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Jump in.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, I hope you see this message.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: Oh I saw this.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Guess what I saw it. I'm one of those annoying
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: cancer survivors that push trauma on others. All right, we're
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: really happy you survive self awareness. Yes, and also yeah,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: I really need you to get the evil spot on
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: your forehead checked.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's what they say, that's what just a I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: know you're smart and kept it together, but it reminds
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: me of a tiny spot of cancer I had to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: have removed.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: Keep being who you are. But can you get this
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: looked at? Please? You going to so thank you for
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: head talk, for getting in my DMS.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Where is this little spot right there?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's this getting close, get it on my
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: close because we can. We'll actually do like a right
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: to left reading of my forehead like a palm because
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: over here and I will do it. So this is it.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: This is a broken blood vessel that I had checked
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: in January, and like this is to clear the record.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Our doctor, our doctor, our share.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: We go to the same dermatologists. I love him so much,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: and we keep each other accountable. So like, thank you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: for messaging me this. This is a good PSA reminder.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: It's always better to have like a cancer prevention girly
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: bestie where you hold each other accountable. So like I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: have a friend. He and I go to the boy
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: doctor and we remind each other to just go get
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: boy stuff checked. Okay, and that's all I'll say. Okay,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: it's boy.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Part related like girl stuff.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like do you have a girlfriend where you're like, hey,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: did you get your.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm the most annoying person in my friend group,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Like you got to get your boobs checked?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: You got to go to the collegist.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you know what. The pap smear is named
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: after doctor Papa Nicolau or no, doctor Papadopoulos. Yeah, Pa P.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: It started so they didn't want to do his whole
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: name smear, so they just stood p A p.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: How do you know that this is the name He.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Was, I know his cousin.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah listen, and I was like his flex.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: It's like that was like his flex, get his uncle
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: invented the pas. I was like, okay, here's anyway. So
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: this is a broken blood vessel and this over here
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: you might have seen last week I scratched my head
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: with my bike helmet.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so so he's okay from the down, we're not sure.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: So we are doing reviews, which we love. Thank you
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  Speaker 4: so much for doing that. It actually really doesn't mean
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  Speaker 4: I'm so glad that I did. Not only is it
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  Speaker 4: incredibly informative in these wild times, but the host have
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  Speaker 4: such an amazing and comedic chemistry, like so good it
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  Speaker 4: enjoy their banter, and learn something along the way.
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  Speaker 2: Highly recommend. Thank you. That's so we appreciate that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I like it inside personally, so I'm not mad at
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: you for staying inside.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: You like it inside, okay, stay inside?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: I do like it inside. Yeah, I do you know
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: that I like it inside.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: I'm out in these streets, but I'm also in the house.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: No, I'm definitely more in the house.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, unless it's an estate sale, which else I want.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: You in the state sale. This weekend, I did slut.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 4: I think the reason why I like it inside is
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: because gen X was always outside and no one gave
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: a shit, and nobody ever knew.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Where we were till the street lights come home, come on.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: That's when you're doing That's.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: When you have to be home. So I like it inside.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: Hey, Michael, Melissa, Hi, I was looking for some help
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: because I was summoned for federal jury service. It's a
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: twelve week case from May eleventh to July thirty first,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: and if I'm chosen, I'd be still questioned for the
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: duration of the trial. Part of me is like super
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: excited for this, and I kind of want to be
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: chosen because this is such a cool side quest and
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: like it'll feel like summer camp, no phones, and like
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: I'm living for this, like courtroom drama and tea. But
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: I'm really worried about paying my rent for the duration
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: of the time i'd be serving, especially because it's over.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Two full months.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 6: I work two part time jobs and they don't pay
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: for jury service time, and especially not for a case
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: that's so long. I'm also turning twenty five and like,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: I only have so many hot girl summers left, and
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: I don't want to waste a whole pride month when
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: I'm single. Yeah, So I just want to advice on
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: how you think I should go forward because I filled
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: out an excuse to be dismissed and they still said
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: I'm considered eligible. I was also curious of what you
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: think the case may be. My friends and I thought
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: that it could be the Rob Reiner case. But we
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: were wondering if you had like any inside tea of
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: what's happening in California federal courts soon.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Oh she's in California, I'd say, okay, okay, So I
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: don't think it's the Rob Rhiner case because it's July thirty. First.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think he'll go on trial for at least
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: another year or two. Like that's way too soon, am
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I Just the first response Nick Reiner, Oh, yes, the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Rhiner case. Yes, Oh my god. And I keep mixing
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: up that name and I did it on TikTok and
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: everyone in the comments was like, how dare you?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Rob was the dead?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Nick was the Sun is the sun?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: And truly how darem? Yes? I should have victims' names
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: right Anyway, I think that's too soon. I love how
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: mess you are though, and it really makes my hurt
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: saying that, like you are someone who's fallen this show
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: and listening and sending in your message because you sound adorable.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: So I'm so excited fan of the pod. The the
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: fact that you're thinking about the number of hawk Girl
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: summers you've got left that is dedication to the whole life.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you because the hawt Girl summers,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: you only got so many, and it's what you do
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: with them that can.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know that hot Girl summer means that she's
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: dedicated to whnus.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: It's so easy and we're not shaming anybody, but hot
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: girl is not equal.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. You could do like a hawk Girl
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: in like a bonnet or a or a.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: Habit hat girl is like Some might say mind.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Some might say Whoopy Goldberg and the Sister Act and
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  Speaker 1: Sister Act two back in the Habit that was a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: her Hawk Girl summer.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe so you never know where is that.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: If you are in the sisterhood, you can just let
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: us know in the comments. But I do want to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about federal jury service because you
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: don't get paid, okay, you get paid fifty dollars a day.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, And let me just say as like I have
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: my stepdaughter as your age and as feeling like I'm
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: going to be your bonus mom as well. You already
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: said that you're working two part jobs, two part time jobs,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: which I think is sort of what you need to
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: do in order to keep yourself alive. I don't know
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: that your desire for messiness is sort of the way
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: to go this time around. Yeah, I think that once
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: a messy girl, deep down, always a messy girl. There
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: will be time in the future when you are establishing
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: your career where you can afford to be off for
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: twelve months.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: For sure, it won't be fun. You're going to get
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: called to jury duty a bunch in your life, and
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: the cases are I mean, if you're going to trial,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: it's usually because there's like a real critical issue that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: needs to get litigated. Ninety something percent a case is settle.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: So the fact that you're going to get called and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: eventually serve on a jury. It's almost always going to
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: be messy, Tea. You'll write that, tell all, and just
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: wait until you've got a stable gig and you can
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: be a salaried employee who takes a week off for
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: jury duty and they cover your ass.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: The only other thing I want to say about jury
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: duty is just because you qualify for jury duty and
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: they're telling you you're qualifying, doesn't mean you're seated on
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: a jury. You got about five more steps before that happens.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: So you got to go the case actually has to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: go to trial. You got to sit there and wait,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: they have to interview you. They've got it, they've got
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: peremptory strikes. There's so many things that happen where you
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: can explain and articulate. You're working two part time jobs.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: You cannot be sequestered for twelve weeks. You're going to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: be on skid row on the breadline. Yeah, so you'll
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: have an opportunity to tell a judge and tell the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: lawyers and hopefully likely get out of jury duty.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: Truly doesn't sound like you can afford to do this
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: right now. And as far as things being like messy
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: and fun. I was on a federal jury duty once
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: and it wasn't fun at all and it was actually
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: really boring.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Oh I got called for one and it was a
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: building bricks for flying every were killing people.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: No, this is the one that I got in. Was
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: just like this guy tried to rob a.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: Parking garage and he took the attendant and he put
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: the attendant in the trunk of the car that he
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: stole and drove him across state lines.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: And that's why it was.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Federal Melissa, that is so interesting.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: It wasn't I mean, it wasn't it. I mean it wasn't. No,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: it wasn't.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: You were like some guy got a free Uber, right, No,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: I mean it was.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: It was the nine days before Uber. But it just
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: took forever, and I remember thinking, I really thought it
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: was gonna be more exciting, like.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 7: That's so then that was because it was your hot
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: girl summer you were missing out on to deal with
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: this guy's trial.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:16:48
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