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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, November 25 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Jacks Jack Jaguarris Did you go Jack Uarres Drive Time?
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Speaker 1: Ryan Sex texted jag Actually, Jaguarres Drive Time starts right now.
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Speaker 1: I think for me personally, UM, I'd much rather do
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Speaker 1: it for the players than the coaches, you know, to
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Speaker 1: be able to win. I mean that that to me
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Speaker 1: is more important than anything, you know for myself. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, you see them actually putting the work in.
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Speaker 1: You see them, you know, the sore or they beat up,
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Speaker 1: and they're going out there and they're practicing and they're studying.
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Speaker 1: And the the coaches that you're late putting together a plan.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to see, um, you know, all
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Speaker 1: that stuff come together, you know, for them. Um, personally,
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Speaker 1: that that's how I look at it. The Jaguars have
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Speaker 1: not won a football game since Week one of the season.
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Speaker 1: Oh it feels like a long time ago that dun
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Speaker 1: Rowan was able to talk about a win. As the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars get ready to take on the Browns this Sunday,
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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving Eve. Welcome to Jaguars Drive Time on a
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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning with Brian Sexton and John Osier. And before
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Speaker 1: we get into big things, guys, let's show this breaking
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Speaker 1: news that is just a report as of now. From yesterday,
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Speaker 1: Tom Pelisero tweeting out that the Jaguars entire defensive staff
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Speaker 1: is dealing with COVID troubles and as of yesterday they
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Speaker 1: did not work inside of the building. Now we're going
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Speaker 1: to hear from head coach Dug Maro own at nine
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Speaker 1: am this morning live, so we're gonna hear more about this.
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Speaker 1: Whether this is just a rumor it is actually news
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Speaker 1: and the Jaguars have to deal with this. But Brian,
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Speaker 1: if this is true and Dug Brown does talk about it,
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Speaker 1: this is something sadly, most teams have had to deal with,
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars as a whole as well the coaching staff.
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Speaker 1: I really haven't had to deal with this so far
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Speaker 1: this season, but it's kind of just the norm as
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Speaker 1: of now. We just take it outside of football for
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Speaker 1: a moment. Actually, And um, I'll give you an example here. Uh,
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Speaker 1: we had a kid. You know, you have groups of
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Speaker 1: friends and they all run together, and you know, two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago, one of them tested positive. So they were
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Speaker 1: all set aside and they all went through the testing
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Speaker 1: and yesterday was the first day they were able to
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Speaker 1: get back together, right, and they're playing basketball and they're
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Speaker 1: having fun, and then they find out someone else's brother
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Speaker 1: tests positive and so now they're all separated again. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just it's the reality of the world that we're in,
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Speaker 1: let alone football right now. Football just has this onus
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Speaker 1: to try to get all these games in because there's
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Speaker 1: no more by weeks, but all of us are dealing
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Speaker 1: with this virus lingering around the edges, and especially with
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving tomorrow, at some point, you just want to throw
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Speaker 1: your hands up and say enough already, right, John, And
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Speaker 1: we thought we had all the COVID protocols figured out,
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Speaker 1: and then the NFL released a bunch of new intensive
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Speaker 1: protocols yesterday trying to mask this for at least six
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Speaker 1: more weeks as we try to get through this NFL season.
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Speaker 1: We're trying to get through the season, and with six
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Speaker 1: weeks to go, they're close. But now obviously the weather
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Speaker 1: is making it more likely and you're seeing things increase in.
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Speaker 1: The NFL has done a great job so far of
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Speaker 1: getting these things in. Uh, you know, the intensive protocols.
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Speaker 1: I thought that at some point they were going to
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Speaker 1: have to do that where it was league wide to
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Speaker 1: get some sort of a level playing field on the front.
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Speaker 1: So I would still not be surprised if at the
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Speaker 1: end of this it won't affect the Jaguars. I still
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at some sort of
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Speaker 1: even more intense maybe a bubble for the postseason. I
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Speaker 1: haven't heard that from the inside. It just seems like
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Speaker 1: that would still be an option. But we'll see. And
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Speaker 1: you're exactly right that they're at that point right now.
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Speaker 1: As I just you know, said with the example out here, Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, it just seems like no matter which way
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Speaker 1: you turn, your touch it. And the only way I
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Speaker 1: think they get untouched to the playoffs into the Super
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Speaker 1: Bowl and play every game is if they do when
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Speaker 1: they get down to what eight is seven teams, maybe eight,
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Speaker 1: depending on if there's games lost. Um, they're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to put them in a bubble because this thing, especially
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Speaker 1: with the holidays, is just gonna linger around. Right to
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Speaker 1: do it in the sas because there's fewer team yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: oh absolutely, it's much more viable to do it in
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Speaker 1: the postseason. And and look, the reason that I wanted
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Speaker 1: to touch on this at off the top a little
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Speaker 1: bit more actually than we normally do is because I
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Speaker 1: think that in Jacksonville in the spring, you know, we
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Speaker 1: saw cases, but I personally didn't it didn't see it
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Speaker 1: around me. I didn't. I didn't have people that I
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Speaker 1: knew that were, you know, directly affected. BESSELLI was the
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Speaker 1: only one. And now everywhere you turn it's popping up.
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Speaker 1: So this is only you see the Ravens story this
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Speaker 1: morning about how many players they've got sitting out and
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Speaker 1: they're going to Pittsburgh for a game tomorrow. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's this thing is only going to get more and
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Speaker 1: more intense as we go between now and then, and
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Speaker 1: especially with Thanksgiving and people getting together because they will
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Speaker 1: get together no matter what any governor says. Um, this
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Speaker 1: is going to become more and more part of the
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Speaker 1: storyline between now and the end of the season. It is.
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Speaker 1: It is the storyline of football, and therefore we have
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Speaker 1: to talk about it and see what dug Rowne has
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Speaker 1: to say at nine o'clock about the Jaguars defensive staff
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Speaker 1: and the COVID troubles that are reported. So let's get
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Speaker 1: into big things. Big thing one is Decision Day. There
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Speaker 1: is another reason that's just dug Rowne press conference. It's
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Speaker 1: very important and you want to tune in at nine
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Speaker 1: o'clock and that is because he is most likely going
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Speaker 1: to name a starting quarterback. Will it be Mike Glennon,
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, Jake Lewton As of now, we do not know.
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Speaker 1: All three definitely have options. But the biggest thing is
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Speaker 1: is Gardner Minshew healthy and that's going to be a
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Speaker 1: big factor in that decision. I got to see him
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Speaker 1: for all, you know, I feel a little bit. I
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Speaker 1: want to see him, you know, throw a whole thing.
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Speaker 1: Was that appeal for the trainers and every one and
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Speaker 1: gardeners that he feels good when you feel but um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I just want to make sure that myself,
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Speaker 1: Ben and j who were able to see it watch
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Speaker 1: it before. If you know, training evaluation, so someone throwing,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit difference. I think that,
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Speaker 1: you know, coaches the evaluation. We shall see what Doug
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Speaker 1: myr Own decides who will be the starting quarterback this
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Speaker 1: Sunday against the Cleveland Browns. Right. Big thing number two
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Speaker 1: sticking with the Browns is attempt. The Browns have started
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Speaker 1: twenty eight different quarterbacks since nineteen looks like they might
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Speaker 1: have finally gotten their guy and are now contending in
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Speaker 1: the a f C. So can this be a lesson
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Speaker 1: for the jag Worth You see a guy like Baker
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Speaker 1: Mayfield on the field for the Browns and big thing
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Speaker 1: three sticking with the Browns is a big day for
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Speaker 1: Joe Schobert. The Browns historically are known for their running game.
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Speaker 1: They always have been, going back to the nineteen eighties,
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Speaker 1: but never had the Browns can compare to that era
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Speaker 1: since now Nick Chubb Kareem Hunts are dominant in Joe
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Speaker 1: Schobert isn't for a big day. Stopping that dynamic duo
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Speaker 1: in John The Browns is definitely something we talked about
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Speaker 1: a lot of specially last year going into training camp.
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Speaker 1: They were the hot, flashy team on the cover of ESPN.
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Speaker 1: But now it kind of seems like they've gotten back
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Speaker 1: to the basis, gotting back to their running game and
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Speaker 1: they don't really have the stigma that they had last season.
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Speaker 1: But it's definitely working for them this year. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: last year's I certainly turned into a stigma at some
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Speaker 1: point during the season. It didn't surprise me. Offseason hot
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Speaker 1: team is usually not in season hot team. The Browns
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Speaker 1: changed coaches. First of all, my understanding is this coaching
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Speaker 1: staff of the Browns have is doing a great job
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Speaker 1: of sticking to what they are. They know they're a
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Speaker 1: running team, they know that that's how they win games.
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Speaker 1: And was interesting I learned talking about the Browns this week.
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Speaker 1: They aren't a great defense. They are a team that
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Speaker 1: got by with a lot of takeaways. They sort of
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Speaker 1: went into a slump on that they got takeaways against
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Speaker 1: the Eagles last week. They feel like a team to
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Speaker 1: me that if the Jaguars were playing better, This feels
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Speaker 1: like a winning team that you could get because they
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Speaker 1: are a good team. They haven't quite established themselves as
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Speaker 1: a great team yet, they're on their way to that.
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Speaker 1: They have big games against Pittsburgh and Baltimore later, which
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Speaker 1: I think that franchise feels like it's going to be
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Speaker 1: their litmus tests. But you know, if the jedu Wars
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Speaker 1: play well, this is not quite Green Bay in Pittsburgh
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Speaker 1: in terms of heavy lift Jaguar stopping the run, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe they can get something done there. I can't pick him,
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Speaker 1: but we'll see. We will see. In Brian, the biggest
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Speaker 1: question is who is going to play quarterback on Sunday?
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Speaker 1: And I think about it and I go back and
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Speaker 1: forth because you see advantages with all of these guys.
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Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is the question of Gardner Minshew health.
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Speaker 1: And dun Moron has said many times he's not putting
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Speaker 1: him out there unless he is a hundred and ten
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Speaker 1: percent ready, And you can't blame him if I say
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Speaker 1: anything that we're going to ruin the C block. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything. Okay, fair enough, We'll
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Speaker 1: be talking much more about the quarterbacks, deep jacks, drive time,
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Speaker 1: all right, So let's talk about the running backs for
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Speaker 1: the Browns. It's going to be a big day for
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Speaker 1: Joe Schobert and Brian. We've seen Joe Schobert have some
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Speaker 1: great games that this might be his biggest test of
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Speaker 1: the season is stopping to running backs like the Browns have.
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Speaker 1: You know, uh and and John could go back to
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Speaker 1: the eighties with me. But when Marty Schottenheimer is the
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Speaker 1: coach and they played in the old Mistake by the
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Speaker 1: Lake on that soggy turf, Ernest Spinder and kell Kevin Mack,
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Speaker 1: we're a dominant duo. They're one of only six duos
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Speaker 1: in NFL history to have a thousand yards in the
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Speaker 1: same season. They were powerful. This it feels the same way.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Kareem Hunt's been a star before his obvious
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Speaker 1: and well publicized indiscretion that got him cut by Kansas City.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was a huge part of what they did,
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Speaker 1: uh in k C. And then I mean we're seeing
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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. We saw him in the Southeastern Conference, played
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Speaker 1: for Georgia. I mean, you've got power, you've got speed,
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Speaker 1: you've got everything. And if the Jaguars the Browns are
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Speaker 1: gonna line up and they're gonna say stop us, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not gonna be Hey, we're going right
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Speaker 1: here on to see if you can stop us. Kind
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Speaker 1: of obvious, but it's it's not far from that. You
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Speaker 1: better be able to stop the run. And you would
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Speaker 1: expect that. Joe Schobert has some inclination of how they
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Speaker 1: like to run. Though there is a new coaching staff,
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Speaker 1: but he has an idea of of what these guys
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Speaker 1: do and how well they do it. Um. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is old school, a f C Central football line up,
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Speaker 1: and let's see who is the better man. It's if
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Speaker 1: you if you can't stop them, they're not gonna stop
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Speaker 1: running almost five yards per carry. Why would you not
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Speaker 1: definitely makes sense, and it shows why these linebackers are
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Speaker 1: in for a big day on Sunday, regardless of the
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Speaker 1: game plan against the Cleveland Browns, and we come back
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Eve, we're looking at three quarterbacks. Not something you
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Speaker 1: exactly want to be doing in the middle of the season,
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Speaker 1: but it has been a roller coaster for this quarterback
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Speaker 1: position for the Jaguars this year. So we have three candidates,
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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, Jake Lewton, Mike Blennen. We're not sure what
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Speaker 1: Doug Brown is going to the side of who will
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Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback Sunday against the Browns. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: go one by one and have some pros and some
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Speaker 1: cons because they're all three very differ princes quarterbacks. So
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Speaker 1: let us starts fellas with Gardner minshewa a guy that
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Speaker 1: we think we know pretty well as him now and
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Speaker 1: have a pretty good sample size of the pros is obviously,
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Speaker 1: he has the big arm the team buys in. He
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Speaker 1: has the mobility, and that's the biggest thing that stands
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Speaker 1: out with Gardner Minshew with these three is he is
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Speaker 1: the most mobile. The con and the biggest con Brian
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Speaker 1: is the health question mark. You can list all the
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Speaker 1: other cons, but that's the biggest thing is you don't
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Speaker 1: know where his health is right now. Well, I think
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Speaker 1: the biggest con is that he doesn't have the big arm.
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Speaker 1: You know that he's not the guy who's going to
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Speaker 1: stand in the pocket and rifle the ball, uh, like
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Speaker 1: Luton did in Green Bay through traffic to healen Cole.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's the biggest knock on him. He would
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Speaker 1: have been drafted higher. I think if, like Baker Mayfield,
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Speaker 1: despite the compact frame, he had the absolute cannon for
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Speaker 1: the arm. Uh, You're right about the health. If you
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Speaker 1: have a thumb on your passing hand, your arm strength
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Speaker 1: is possibly lessened because you've can't grip the ball and
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Speaker 1: drive it to any degree. So that is a con
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Speaker 1: for him. You know, the problem is is that if
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Speaker 1: your defense can keep you in it, if they can
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Speaker 1: stop the run. I mean, this is the guy that
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Speaker 1: runs around and makes the dramatic plays. He'd be more
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Speaker 1: fun to watch um in all likelihood, and he might
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Speaker 1: give you that hard stopping come from behind, you know,
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Speaker 1: like in Denver last year. Kind of win. Um, there's
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Speaker 1: no denying that. When Minshew Magic is rolling, Uh, he
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Speaker 1: is fun to watch, and we saw a bunch of
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Speaker 1: it in the second half in Nashville. The problem is
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Speaker 1: it disappeared, evaporated at that point and we never saw
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Speaker 1: it again. It is very true. And John, this is
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Speaker 1: a guy that he talked to national reporters, like for example,
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Speaker 1: talking to Charles Davis last week for the podcast, and
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Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, this is a guy that
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Speaker 1: everyone wants to root for, and there's something about him
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Speaker 1: that you want to see him back on the field.
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Speaker 1: But when Minshew Magic isn't there, it's kind of hard
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Speaker 1: to argue that when is that going to come back?
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Speaker 1: No one knows. Yeah, I mean it's we had the
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Speaker 1: magic last year. There was magic for a couple of
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Speaker 1: games this year, but within that magic, even last year,
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Speaker 1: let's not forget there were a lot of games where
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Speaker 1: it looked like this year he's been inconsistent up and down.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Slynn your route format. I would like nothing
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Speaker 1: more than for him to be the guy, or to
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Speaker 1: have been the guy in terms of this way, and
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Speaker 1: I don't think he is. Unfortunately, so in terms of
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Speaker 1: this year, the biggest graphic or the biggest thing off
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Speaker 1: that graphic was clearly hell. Everything in Doug Moron's tone
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Speaker 1: this week said that he's not going to Jake Lewton,
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Speaker 1: meaning when he was talking about this issue on Monday,
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Speaker 1: he was talking about Gardner's thumb, and he's got to
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Speaker 1: see whether or not that's going to be a a thing.
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Speaker 1: I think you said the top of the show, Slin,
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Speaker 1: no way does Doug put Minshew out there if he
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Speaker 1: even has a remote doubt about that. Um So, I
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Speaker 1: think that's going to be the key trigger in this
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Speaker 1: decision today or there was made yesterday that he'll probably
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Speaker 1: announced today m hm. Yes, Dunn Ron did mention that
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Speaker 1: he's watched gardnerments who throw at some point this week,
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Speaker 1: So I'm sure he now knows and has made a decision,
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Speaker 1: and we'll see an o'clock what he decides. And we
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Speaker 1: mentioned Jake Luten and definitely from the tone of voice,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like Dug Brown is going to go
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Speaker 1: that direction. But there is pulip pros and cons with
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Speaker 1: Jake Luton that we now have seen the past three games.
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Speaker 1: The pro is by far the biggest arm out of
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Speaker 1: these three he wowed us during training camp and the
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Speaker 1: biggest question is would it translate to the game field,
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Speaker 1: and at times it did. But the con Brian, the glaring,
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Speaker 1: glaring con is the inaccuracy and kind of at times
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Speaker 1: just a complete fastball and no touch to the ball. Well,
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Speaker 1: he's a rookie obviously, with no preseason to two Honey's
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Speaker 1: craft whatsoever. And um, that is a con. Here's the
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Speaker 1: here's the real reason why I wouldn't go with him
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Speaker 1: this week, And it became a parent last Sunday against
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Speaker 1: the Steelers. There are so many young players out there
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Speaker 1: on the field that the Jaguars need to see improve
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Speaker 1: right receivers, offensive linemen, defensive backs. They need a quarterback
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Speaker 1: they can count on to get the team into the
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Speaker 1: game plan and execute. Otherwise, these young guys, they can't
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Speaker 1: lean on Jake Luton like they could a more veteran quarterback.
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Speaker 1: They're not getting an accurate idea of where they're at.
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Speaker 1: These guys aren't necessarily able to improve to the point
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Speaker 1: where you can count on them next year. If the
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Speaker 1: quarterback is struggling as mightily as he is. Um, if
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have any chance to win in the final
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Speaker 1: six weeks, and if you're a fan that doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to win, I get it. But the coach wants to win.
18:46
Speaker 1: And so the smart decision is to say, all right,
18:48
Speaker 1: we had a couple of weeks with him, put him
18:51
Speaker 1: to the side, and let's get someone in there that
18:53
Speaker 1: can help young players do their job right. And that
19:00
Speaker 1: is the biggest glaring thing, John is if you were
19:05
Speaker 1: looking forward and you were not in such a pressure
19:07
Speaker 1: to win now, I think Jake Luton is your best
19:09
Speaker 1: option because you want to see what's there as of
19:12
Speaker 1: right now. Three games isn't a lot of sample size
19:14
Speaker 1: to see if Jake Luton committee be on your roster
19:16
Speaker 1: next season, even if you do draft a quarterback. But
19:19
Speaker 1: dun Ron obviously is in win now mode, and I'm
19:22
Speaker 1: sure he's gonna say we want the quarterback that gives
19:24
Speaker 1: us the best chance to win. Well he is. And
19:28
Speaker 1: I think the biggest negative that's not in the graphic
19:30
Speaker 1: is it's tough for a coat to roll a guy
19:34
Speaker 1: back out there who looked for a while on Sunday
19:38
Speaker 1: as lost as Jake Luton did, uh with a as
19:42
Speaker 1: Tom Coffin would call it, a callous disregard for the
19:45
Speaker 1: ball and Brian can remember that phrase as well. Um
19:49
Speaker 1: you know, I personally would like to see Luton for
19:53
Speaker 1: one more game because I would like to see if
19:56
Speaker 1: the if the next game confirms Steelers wish, you see
20:00
Speaker 1: a couple of throws that are just way over and
20:03
Speaker 1: out of whack and then you say, Okay, this kid's
20:06
Speaker 1: not ready yet. Steelers are really really good. I think
20:09
Speaker 1: the Brown's defenses is good. Um you know, I don't
20:13
Speaker 1: think necessarily that that game was a true test of
20:16
Speaker 1: everything he can be against just okay defenses. But I
20:19
Speaker 1: agree with Brian for the most part, what this coaching
20:22
Speaker 1: staff want. They want the guy that they feel like
20:25
Speaker 1: it's in the best chance to win right now. If
20:28
Speaker 1: min Show's thumbs hurt, then maybe that is the better.
20:34
Speaker 1: And finally, the last guy is Mike Glenn. And I
20:37
Speaker 1: will admit making this graphic. I didn't have much to
20:39
Speaker 1: put on there because we don't know a lot about
20:42
Speaker 1: Mike Glenn and the biggest pro obviously is his experience.
20:45
Speaker 1: He's a veteran quarterback who has been here and done that.
20:49
Speaker 1: The con is that we haven't seen him in game action,
20:53
Speaker 1: at least here in Jacksonville. And Brian this was a
20:55
Speaker 1: guy in training camp. There were some throws in me
20:58
Speaker 1: that you said wow. But as a whole he wasn't
21:00
Speaker 1: the guy that we were talking about every day. But
21:03
Speaker 1: he does have the game experience that Jake Luton doesn't have. Well.
21:07
Speaker 1: As an NFL quarterback, he's not spectacular. I mean, he
21:11
Speaker 1: looks the part. He's got the big body, he's almost
21:13
Speaker 1: six ft seven, and he certainly has an NFL caliber arm.
21:16
Speaker 1: But in places like Chicago and Tampa where he's been,
21:20
Speaker 1: he's never been able to claim the job. So here's
21:23
Speaker 1: what he is. He's the guy who gets you lined up.
21:27
Speaker 1: He's the guy that makes sure that the protection scheme
21:29
Speaker 1: is right, uh, that the rookie receiver knows where they're running.
21:33
Speaker 1: He's the guy that doesn't put the defense with all
21:35
Speaker 1: those young players on that side of the ball in
21:38
Speaker 1: bad situation after bad situation after bad situation. He gives
21:42
Speaker 1: you a chance to execute your game plan. He's six
21:46
Speaker 1: and sixteen as an NFL starter. He's completed his passes.
21:50
Speaker 1: I think he has, you know, thirty six career touchdowns
21:52
Speaker 1: and career interceptions. Again, not spectacular as a quarterback, but
21:59
Speaker 1: a guy who can help them get the job done
22:02
Speaker 1: and then you lean on some other guys to make
22:03
Speaker 1: some plays. Maybe it it means the passing game is
22:06
Speaker 1: effective enough that James Robinson can touch the ball times.
22:10
Speaker 1: It's the little things with glenn and not the big
22:12
Speaker 1: overarching things. And I just at the end of this,
22:15
Speaker 1: right before John speaks, there is no doubt that the
22:19
Speaker 1: Jaguars will use their first pick on a quarterback next year.
22:23
Speaker 1: They have three guys and we're debating, right if that's
22:26
Speaker 1: the case, you don't have your guy, you have to
22:28
Speaker 1: go get your guy. Now, that's obvious. Everybody who's watching
22:30
Speaker 1: this snows the Jaguars need to go get a young,
22:32
Speaker 1: dynamic quarterback. What we're talking about now is what do
22:35
Speaker 1: you do for the next six games. Remember that's more
22:38
Speaker 1: than thirty three of your season, more than a third
22:41
Speaker 1: of your season remains. And I really believe that if
22:45
Speaker 1: you're looking at this, if if Minshew's thumb is an
22:47
Speaker 1: issue and we'll find out later and Lewton looks lost,
22:51
Speaker 1: then maybe Glennon is the right guy because he helps
22:53
Speaker 1: your young players continue to improve and grow and not
22:58
Speaker 1: just Plateau. You need these guys is in December to
23:01
Speaker 1: be getting better. Even if it's only slightly incrementally better
23:04
Speaker 1: so that when you get to the offseason, you've identified
23:07
Speaker 1: what they can do to help you. Yet times, glenna
23:15
Speaker 1: just seems like the game manager. Yeah, and the reality
23:20
Speaker 1: is there's too many cons and not enough froze in
23:24
Speaker 1: this whole graphic, or else he wouldn't be having the conversation.
23:28
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to knock these guys, right, but
23:30
Speaker 1: you know, quarterback position on this team is a major issue.
23:34
Speaker 1: So that's our reality right now. H Glennan. Just like
23:40
Speaker 1: Brian said, every team needs one Mike Glennon. You don't
23:44
Speaker 1: need a whole bunch of them. Because what it is
23:46
Speaker 1: is he's the guy who when things are really bad,
23:50
Speaker 1: or the starters hurt or things are in disarray and
23:53
Speaker 1: you've got to have a guy to go in for
23:54
Speaker 1: a game or two to calm you down. That's what
23:57
Speaker 1: he is. So he's a valuable piece of the NFL equation. Uh.
24:02
Speaker 1: If he plays, you'll probably see unspectacular, you'll see solid,
24:08
Speaker 1: you won't see a whole lot of chance throws, you'll
24:10
Speaker 1: see smart decision, but you just won't see a franchise
24:13
Speaker 1: guy because that's not what he is. So uh, in
24:16
Speaker 1: terms of pros. He's a veteran with experience who has
24:19
Speaker 1: Brian said, he'll get guys in position and give them
24:23
Speaker 1: a fighting chance if everybody else elevate to have a
24:26
Speaker 1: chance to win. But he will not elevate you because
24:30
Speaker 1: right now the Jaguars don't have a quarterback who elevate.
24:34
Speaker 1: Do you remember two thousand ten and the Jaguars were
24:38
Speaker 1: having all kinds of quarterback issues and they were pulling
24:41
Speaker 1: Todd Bauman off of his lawn tractor in Minnesota in
24:45
Speaker 1: the middle of the season to come join them in
24:47
Speaker 1: Kansas City to start a football game for them. You know,
24:50
Speaker 1: he's Todd Bauman, He's Luke McCown. He's that guy that
24:54
Speaker 1: you say, all right, look, we're not going into one
24:58
Speaker 1: with you, but we need you to eddie our ship
25:01
Speaker 1: this year and get us on to some level ground
25:04
Speaker 1: at some point so we can operate. They've done this before. Um,
25:08
Speaker 1: if it's him, you know exactly why they're doing it.
25:11
Speaker 1: You know they want a chance to be stable and solid,
25:15
Speaker 1: not spectacular. Correct three options, and Doug Moron will make
25:21
Speaker 1: his decision most likely this morning at nine o'clock in
25:24
Speaker 1: his press conference moving forward on who will be the
25:26
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks Sunday against the Cleveland Browns, and we come
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Speaker 1: Nathan's a girl. Nathan, thank you so much for waking
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Speaker 1: up with us right and early. And I start this
28:05
Speaker 1: question by the difference, the difference between the Cleveland Browns
28:09
Speaker 1: besides this coaching staff one year later, after six wins
28:13
Speaker 1: last season, this team right now is seven and three
28:16
Speaker 1: in contending. Yeah they are, and it is great to
28:19
Speaker 1: be with you this morning. And yeah, you know, I
28:21
Speaker 1: would give the coaching staff a lot of credit, first
28:23
Speaker 1: of all, and just the organization in general, Kevin Stefanski
28:26
Speaker 1: coming in general manager Andrew Barry. I say this all
28:29
Speaker 1: the time about them. They've got the three piece. They
28:31
Speaker 1: are prepared, they have a plan, and they have a
28:35
Speaker 1: process to implement the plan. And I think when Browns
28:37
Speaker 1: fans watch it, they know every week that their team
28:40
Speaker 1: is well prepared for the opponent, that they will manage
28:42
Speaker 1: the game well in game with those kind of situations
28:45
Speaker 1: and decisions, and that Kevin Stefanski is just a smooth operator.
28:49
Speaker 1: And so when you have a guy who comes in
28:52
Speaker 1: dials up the right scheme, and the players know. I
28:54
Speaker 1: talked with Joe Thomas every week, certain Hall of famer
28:57
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns left tackle. I talked with him
29:00
Speaker 1: every week, and he says, when the players know that
29:02
Speaker 1: the coaches are putting them in the best position to succeed,
29:06
Speaker 1: number one, it gives them confidence. But number two, it
29:08
Speaker 1: also gives them ownership and that if this doesn't work,
29:11
Speaker 1: it's my fault and I have to make sure that
29:13
Speaker 1: it does work. And so I think we've seen that
29:16
Speaker 1: just very sound game planning. It's a team that has
29:19
Speaker 1: come through in the important moments time and time again. Uh.
29:22
Speaker 1: The scheme, as I said, fits very well for the talent,
29:25
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things. They really married that
29:27
Speaker 1: and bringing in Bill Callahan as the offensive line coach
29:30
Speaker 1: I think has done wonders. But look, this is a
29:32
Speaker 1: team that knows how to run the football as well
29:34
Speaker 1: as anybody in the NFL. Nick Chubb leading the league
29:37
Speaker 1: at six yards per carry in the fourth quarter, Nick
29:39
Speaker 1: Chub's averaging over thirteen yards per carry. They've got a formula.
29:43
Speaker 1: They get out to a lead, they wear you down
29:45
Speaker 1: with that ground game, and then they pound you into
29:47
Speaker 1: oblivion in the fourth quarter. On the ground with the
29:50
Speaker 1: combination of Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, and they play
29:52
Speaker 1: solid defense, not great defense, and it's gonna be tough
29:56
Speaker 1: this week. No Miles Garrett, no Denzel Ward, the Browns
29:58
Speaker 1: two defensive players. But the last three weeks we really
30:01
Speaker 1: kind of haven't gotten to see anything. I know, you
30:02
Speaker 1: guys enjoy wonderful weather in Jacksonville. It's been insane in
30:06
Speaker 1: Cleveland the last three weeks, high winds, nobody has been
30:08
Speaker 1: able to throw the ball, crazy rain, so we don't
30:11
Speaker 1: We aren't sure yet. There still are some questions about
30:13
Speaker 1: the defense, but I give a lot of credit to coach,
30:16
Speaker 1: the fansky and the guys buying in. There has been
30:18
Speaker 1: a true culture shift in Cleveland. I have two quick questions.
30:24
Speaker 1: They only said I had one, but I got to
30:26
Speaker 1: the second. One you can answer easily. The first is
30:29
Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield an elite quarterback? We haven't seen him yet?
30:32
Speaker 1: Or is the jury still out? And the second is
30:35
Speaker 1: Cleveland is a great football town and it's been marred
30:38
Speaker 1: by the losing in recent years. But are Browns fans back?
30:42
Speaker 1: Are they enjoying this moment as much as they should be.
30:47
Speaker 1: I'll start with the second question. First, yes, Browns fans
30:49
Speaker 1: are back. They are absolutely enjoying this moment. The sad
30:52
Speaker 1: thing is where in the midst of a global pandemic,
30:55
Speaker 1: so they can't you know, get to the stadium in
30:58
Speaker 1: you know, sixty five sixty six and go to the
31:00
Speaker 1: Muni lot and tailgate and all that. The city is
31:03
Speaker 1: very much on fire. But as you guys know, it's
31:05
Speaker 1: a very strange world that we're living in. So it's
31:07
Speaker 1: kind of a bummer because if this were a normal year,
31:11
Speaker 1: it would be all anybody in Cleveland's talking about. Everywhere
31:14
Speaker 1: you go, you'd be seeing people in Brown's gear, so
31:16
Speaker 1: you you miss out on that unfortunately. But yes, the
31:19
Speaker 1: fans are very willing to jump back in and it's safe.
31:23
Speaker 1: I think they know the style of football they're seeing
31:26
Speaker 1: the people that are in charge. They know that this
31:28
Speaker 1: is the right direction for this organization. As for Baker Mayfield,
31:32
Speaker 1: fifteen touchdowns on the year, seven interceptions, he's playing well
31:36
Speaker 1: within the system. I think that you know, over the
31:38
Speaker 1: final six games, the Browns would like to find out
31:40
Speaker 1: if Baker Mayfield is elite. I don't know that he's
31:43
Speaker 1: ever recaptured the form you saw over that second half
31:46
Speaker 1: of his rookie season when the Browns were just so
31:48
Speaker 1: fun to watch and he was slinging it all over
31:50
Speaker 1: the place. But Kevin Stefanski's offense is very good. It's
31:53
Speaker 1: a Shanahan Kubiak, that wide zone scheme, and Baker has
31:57
Speaker 1: been incredibly effective in the boot action and on early
32:00
Speaker 1: first down. For example last week on first down play action,
32:03
Speaker 1: four for four for a hundred and twelve yards, so
32:06
Speaker 1: able to hit those chunk plays. There's really only been
32:08
Speaker 1: one game that the game was put squarely on his
32:10
Speaker 1: shoulders and he responded those against the Cincinnati Bengals at
32:14
Speaker 1: one point twenty one straight completions in that game through
32:17
Speaker 1: for five touchdowns, ran the two minute drill effectively going
32:20
Speaker 1: seventy five yards with over a minute left in the
32:22
Speaker 1: game without any time out. So he's shown flashes of it.
32:26
Speaker 1: I think you want to see more consistency from him,
32:29
Speaker 1: and then really the next evolution is he's thriving. As
32:32
Speaker 1: I said in that play action boot game, can he
32:34
Speaker 1: just dropped back and throw the football? You know, in
32:36
Speaker 1: those third and long obvious passing situations. Can you throw
32:40
Speaker 1: the football when everybody knows you're going to and I
32:43
Speaker 1: think that's really the next evolution for Baker to take
32:45
Speaker 1: that step from right now being a very effective system
32:48
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Cleveland Browns to becoming an elite quarterback. Hey,
32:56
Speaker 1: what is this defense without Garrett and without Denzel Ward?
33:02
Speaker 1: Or is that what we find out on Sunday? I
33:04
Speaker 1: think we will find out. You know, I was struck
33:07
Speaker 1: watching the Rams defense on Monday Night Football this week
33:09
Speaker 1: taking on the Buccaneers, and he saw, well, there's Aaron
33:12
Speaker 1: Donald the game record. Up front, You've got Jalen Ramsey.
33:14
Speaker 1: What would that defense look out look like without those
33:16
Speaker 1: two guys. I don't know the answer to that either.
33:19
Speaker 1: For the Browns, the good news is up front, you've
33:22
Speaker 1: got some veterans. Last week with Myles Garrett and I
33:24
Speaker 1: granted it was against the Eagles, who have given up
33:26
Speaker 1: the most sex of the league, but Olivier Vernon, who
33:28
Speaker 1: has had a very strong career with Miami and the
33:31
Speaker 1: and the Giants before joining the Browns, he came up
33:34
Speaker 1: with three sacks. Adrian Clayborne, a very solid veteran who
33:38
Speaker 1: once had nine sacks with the Falcons, he came up
33:40
Speaker 1: with a sack and a half, and Vernon also had
33:42
Speaker 1: a safety, so your front is still pretty good. Vernon
33:45
Speaker 1: and Clayborn veterans on the outside. Sheldon Richards in an
33:48
Speaker 1: excellent defensive tackle and Larry Ogan Joeb next to him,
33:51
Speaker 1: so your your front is still pretty good. The questions
33:53
Speaker 1: come now in the secondary for the Cleveland Browns, and
33:56
Speaker 1: I'll start at cornerback because without Denzel remember Greedy will Hims,
34:00
Speaker 1: last years second round pick, was supposed to be the
34:01
Speaker 1: other starting corner for the Browns. He's missed the entire season.
34:04
Speaker 1: The Browns have a great veteran, Terrence money Mitchell. He
34:07
Speaker 1: will start at one quarterback. I would assume that Kevin Johnson,
34:10
Speaker 1: a former first round pick of the Texans who's come
34:12
Speaker 1: in and played very well for the Browns this year
34:14
Speaker 1: after a one year stint with the Buffalo Bills on
34:16
Speaker 1: that playoff defensive year ago, will likely kick outside. What
34:19
Speaker 1: they do in the slot now that I don't know,
34:22
Speaker 1: so that could be a matchup for Kelan Cole this week. Safety.
34:26
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Thank you Jacksonville for Ronnie Harrison.
34:29
Speaker 1: He has been an absolute stud for the Cleveland Browns.
34:32
Speaker 1: He's a little bit banged up. I know this one
34:34
Speaker 1: is circled for him. I know he wants to be
34:36
Speaker 1: out there. If he's out there, he's been a great
34:38
Speaker 1: playmaker for the Browns, already has a pick six this year,
34:41
Speaker 1: gets his hands on the football, has been one of
34:43
Speaker 1: our top players. So this defense, you know, Joe Woods,
34:46
Speaker 1: what they've done very effectively this year is do some
34:49
Speaker 1: bend but not break. They do not give up big plays.
34:52
Speaker 1: They don't give up chunk plays at all. I think
34:54
Speaker 1: they've only given up two plays of more than forty
34:56
Speaker 1: yards this year. In the past, they don't give up
34:58
Speaker 1: the big runs either, So they make you kind of
35:01
Speaker 1: work your way down the field and then they get turnovers.
35:04
Speaker 1: They generate turnover seventeen turnovers for this Brown's defense now
35:08
Speaker 1: that they have generated in ten games, and that's really
35:11
Speaker 1: kind of been their formula for success. Now, as I said,
35:14
Speaker 1: we haven't seen Debt, we won't have Denzel, we won't
35:16
Speaker 1: have Miles, and Miles has been the best I think
35:18
Speaker 1: defensive player in the NFL this year. So it's going
35:21
Speaker 1: to be tougher. But this team has lost Nick Chubb
35:24
Speaker 1: for four games. It's lost so Dell Beckham for four games.
35:26
Speaker 1: Wyatt Teller, the right guard who's pro football, folks. His
35:29
Speaker 1: highest graded offensive linement for multiple games, Austin Hooper for
35:32
Speaker 1: multiple games, Miles now for multiple games. They've dealt with
35:36
Speaker 1: injuries and they've overcome, which goes back to the original points.
35:39
Speaker 1: The fancy gets these guys ready to play. People step up,
35:42
Speaker 1: and Joe Woods has really kind of tuned into the
35:44
Speaker 1: strengths of the guys on the field. When they're on
35:47
Speaker 1: the field, we shall see what's in store Jaguars versus
35:53
Speaker 1: Brown's here on Sunday in Jacksonville. Nathan, thanks much for
35:56
Speaker 1: the time. We hope you have a great Thanksgiving and
35:59
Speaker 1: a hopefully staying warm up there in Cleveland. Certainly not
36:03
Speaker 1: staying warm, you guys stay safe, have a happy Thanksgiving
36:06
Speaker 1: as well. And I will say this, the Browns are cognizant.
36:08
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember this. I do.
36:10
Speaker 1: Two thousand and fourteen, the Browns go down to Jacksonville
36:13
Speaker 1: after whooping the Steelers at home. And that was a
36:16
Speaker 1: game I believe was Blake Borders quarterback and Shoelace Robinson
36:19
Speaker 1: was the running back, rand for a hundred yards and
36:21
Speaker 1: the Browns lost in Jacksonville. And so they are still
36:24
Speaker 1: talking about that, because that put a little bit of
36:26
Speaker 1: a dent on the last time the Browns were a
36:28
Speaker 1: competitive team. The Browns need to know they need to
36:31
Speaker 1: go down there and take care of business against the Jacks.
36:35
Speaker 1: It's gonna be an interesting matchup. Nonetheless, Nathan, thanks so
36:38
Speaker 1: much for the time, and thanks so much for tuning
36:40
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