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Gotham Garage’s 360 Spider Sparks Controversy and Curiosity · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  As part of Ferrari Fridays, William Ross from the Exotic Car Marketplace
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  will be discussing all things Ferrari and interviewing people that live
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  and breathe the Ferrari brand.
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  Topics range from road cars to racing, drivers to owners, as well
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  as auctions, private sales, and trends in the collector market.
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  Hey everyone, welcome back to the Ferrari Marketplace podcast.
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  I'm William Ross, your host.
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  Uh, I want to welcome.
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  Everyone over to our new platform.
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  And I want to also welcome my, I don't want to say guest on the show.
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  I'm going to say more like co host because, you know, we're
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  a kind of, you know, good friends, uh, business associates.
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  Um, you know, we do a lot of things together.
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  So, but Eric.
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  Crew chief Eric is joining me on this and he'll probably be on a lot of
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  subsequent episodes as well as either co host, guest, moderator, what have you,
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  but you will be hearing some more soon.
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  So crew chief Eric, introduce yourself to our listeners.
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  Well, William, folks that are familiar with the BreakPix podcast are familiar
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  with my voice and, you know, it, I always say it's a little bit.
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  Odd being on the other side of the microphone.
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  So I appreciate you inviting me onto the Ferrari marketplace podcast.
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  Talk about a really interesting topic tonight, but, uh, happy to be here.
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  Happy to have you as part of the motoring podcast network.
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  So this is a lot of fun and looking forward to seeing where things go for the
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  future of the Ferrari marketplace podcast.
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  Yeah, so as everyone heard, uh, Eric just mentioned is the motoring
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  podcast network is a nice little project is getting launched.
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  That is going to have basically all podcast, uh, motoring related and
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  it's going to be a fantastic platform.
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  So it'll give you many, many options and choices to listen to different,
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  various podcasts of people we know and people that, Hey, we kind of all jump
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  on each other's podcasts, but, uh, you're going to find a lot of variation
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  in regards to what you can listen to.
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  So definitely get on there and sign up and keep a listen.
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  So tonight we are going to be talking about a show that Eric turned me on
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  to, um, or inform me on, I should say, I wouldn't say turn me on to because,
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  you know, I kind of scratched my head about watching it, but I know Eric and
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  his wife are kind of big fans of it.
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  Um, it is on Netflix.
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  It's called car masters for us to riches.
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  Um, if you look it up, you'll see there's five seasons, uh, and it follows this
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  crew at Gotham garage out in California.
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  Uh, and you know, it, it's kind of along the lines of what you
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  would think when you see a TV show that's on Netflix or any other of
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  these like motive trend or whatnot.
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  Um, but you know, their philosophy or I guess to say business model is to take.
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  Really junk cheap cars, fix them up to sell them for X or trade it for Y, and
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  then take that and do the same thing to it, but for more money to get to
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  Z, which would be a six figure car.
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  So they just basically taking that old adage, and I think they use this example
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  in the beginning talking about it, talking about the person using the paperclip,
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  and 11 trades later they own a house.
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  Kind of that scenario is what they're looking at.
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  So there's some interesting people on the show.
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  Um, I know Eric's done a lot of research on the show and the individuals I've done
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  a little bit on it too, because it was a head scratcher on some of these guys.
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  Cause.
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  Um, you kind of like, are they legit or are they just kind of actors or what,
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  which you'll find out one of them kind of is, um, so, but you know, the majority of
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  the guys were in the car, you know, they know their stuff, I'll give them that.
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  So, but you might be asking yourself, why are we talking about this show
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  on the Ferrari Marketplace podcast?
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  Well, here's the reason.
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  In an episode, or in season five, towards the last few episodes.
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  There is a Ferrari that they get their hands on and modify and if you
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  want to take the time to watch it, watch it, and you'll see what we're
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  talking about here, but oh, my Lord.
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  I mean, it is.
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  It is.
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  Oh, my Lord.
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  And yeah, it's like, where to start.
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  I mean, I just, and you know, I, when Eric told me about this, you know,
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  the show itself and you know, Hey, this is right because they did this
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  Ferrari and I'm like, all right.
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  Well, and I did, I watched the first season.
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  I watched a couple episodes and I'm like, okay, I got the gist of it.
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  So I jumped right to the ones for the Ferrari.
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  So it was like the last three episodes of season five, it kind of goes across it.
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  So, and there's kind of a big jump in regards to some things happening from
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  season one to season five as well.
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  And they expand and all this stuff, but anyways.
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  It's the kind of same thing.
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  And if you want to take a quick trip down seasons one through four, we
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  actually released part of our too long.
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  Didn't read mini series.
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  I go over all of my previous reviews of seasons one through four on break fix.
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  And you can listen to that and kind of get caught up with what we're
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  talking about as we're talking about season five, but you're right.
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  A lot of things changed on the show.
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  COVID played a big part in it.
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  This has been going on for many, many years now that my wife
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  and I have been following these builders and following the show.
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  And to your point, it does follow a bit of a formula that other, what we call
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  restoration shows will follow, whether it's Rust Valley Restorers, whether
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  it's Tex Mex Motors, whether it's Car Masters and some of the other ones,
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  you know, fast and loud, all those ones that, you know, from the old days,
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  there's a certain way of doing it.
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  The thing that was interesting about Gotham is the head of the ship, which
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  is Mark Towley, who is famous for building some of the most interesting
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  Hollywood replica cars or like Hot Wheels inspired type of cars.
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  And the most famous one he built many, many years ago, and it's in the Peterson,
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  is the Mach 5 racer full size car that was used in the movie Speed Racer.
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  So, you know, that really put him on the mark.
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  That was the first car he got in the museum.
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  There's been others since then.
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  But he's got this particular style about the way he likes to conduct his builds.
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  And we'll get into that as we go along.
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  Yeah, and you can probably, and listen to those ones, because I'm sure Eric
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  touches on the legal issue that came about with one of these cars that got built.
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  But, hey, as in, watch all the seasons and listen to his reviews, or hey, you
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  want to skip all the things, listen to his thing and watch the Ferrari,
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  Either way, take a listen to it because it'll be very insightful and there's a
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  lot of good tidbits and stuff in that.
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  So please definitely take a listen to that for the Break Fix podcast as well.
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  So let's, let's set the stage for season five.
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  It picks up exactly where season four left off.
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  And so to give people an idea of why that's important, season four was a
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  bit of a game changer for the show.
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  It moved away from the classic format of upgrade and trade.
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  They called it, like you said, the red paper clip to the house in 11
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  trades later, they sort of decided that they wanted to go and start
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  reaching for high end clientele.
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  They wanted to do six figure builds.
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  Every time they built a car.
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  And so the builds got more extreme.
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  They got more exaggerated.
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  Some of them you're like, I don't really know if this flies or if this works.
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  And they did keep some of the cartoony aspect to a couple of the builds.
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  Let's say the rocket car or the school bus or some of the other ones that they built.
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  And you can go back and see those in season three and season four.
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  The reason season four is such a turning point in the show is.
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  It brings in this dynamic duo of a design that apparently Mark had
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  been sitting on for about 20 years.
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  And it's a bit of a Bugatti inspired supercar built on top of, you know, his
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  favorite chassis, which is a C4 Corvette.
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  And so there were struggles getting that car sold and incomes, a personality that.
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  Most of us that have watched anything on Motor Trend would
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  recognize this gentleman right away.
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  He's a bloke from the UK, as we like to say.
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  His name is Nick Smith.
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  He's originally from Classic Avenue, which is a big, you know,
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  brokerage in classic motorcycles and classic cars and things like that.
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  He presents himself on TV as The appraiser, right?
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  I've seen him on a lot of shows where they have to bring in a specialist
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  to put a number on, let's say, an old school Mercedes or something like that.
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  So Nick suddenly walks in the Bay of Gotham garage and you're
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  like, what's he doing here?
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  And he's representing.
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  The client that's going to buy this duo supercar and motorcycle that
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  they had built during season 3 that they struggled to unload because
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  of covid and everything else.
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  So season 5 picks up exactly at that handshake when they were all sort
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  of getting together and now Nick Smith's team of fabricators is getting
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  together with Mark's team at Gotham.
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  They've got 2 locations that they're working out of and.
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  You're sort of thrown in the middle of it going, where is this going to go?
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  Is this going to work?
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  Are these guys going to gel?
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  Are they going to have personality conflicts?
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  And the show, if you go back and watch the previous years, one of the things
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  we always highlighted and appreciated was it was a pretty low drama show.
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  When you compare it to like a Rust Valley Restorers where they're at each other's
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  throats and you never know who's going to throw a wrench across the room next.
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  And, you know, it's like West Coast choppers, you know, that
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  kind of just ridiculousness.
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  These guys are pretty mellow.
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  They're really laid back.
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  They work well together as a team and they take direction well, and it was
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  nice to watch a restoration show where people aren't at each other's throats and
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  they're building some interesting stuff.
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  Whether you agreed with the final product or not.
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  You're like, I can appreciate what went into that, the labor and the process.
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  So that's, what's kept us engaged up until this point now introduced.
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  Nick Smith introduced his team.
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  How is this all going to go down?
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  Are we suddenly going to become, you know, West Coast shop, West
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  Coast customs or anything like that?
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  Where is this going to lead us?
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  Luckily, they stayed pretty subdued, but we hit this other bump in the road
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  when they tried to build the cover car, which is this Tesla that they converted.
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  To a rear wheel drive LS powered abomination.
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  That's the word I want to give it.
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  They had a really hard time selling this car and they
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  finally found the right buyer.
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  Let's say that, and that opened the door for this Ferrari.
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  So William, why don't you talk about the Ferrari, the deal they brokered
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  and the condition of the car?
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  Well, It's a 360, uh, spider.
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  Um, so right there, it tells you, you know, F1 tranny, not a six feet.
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  So right there, it tells you, you know, even with low miles, even say 10
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  feet, I mean, you're still maybe a 90, car retail, you know, and depending
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  on case, you may be a little bit more, but you know, that's about it.
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  You know, there's a lot of factors that go into it.
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  You'll serve history like that.
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  Well, this is actually a theft recovery car.
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  Now, this is what I found interesting.
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  First of all, when they're saying it was a theft recovery and they were
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  showing it when they were looking at it, you know, to go view it and
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  then try you for the initial process of potentially buying the car.
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  It was only missing its rear bumper cover and the lower front valance on it.
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  Think was gone to, or the rear, the rear deck, the hood was missing at that point.
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  So, which was kind of baffling to me because I mean, I, I, I'm not in that
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  field, so, but I figured that car would have been stripped a lot more than that.
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  Cause you know, there's a lot of expensive parts on there that they could have
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  just peeled off and made, you know.
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  You know, whoever did it or stole the car.
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  So stealing some aesthetic pieces off the car seemed a bit, you know,
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  I don't know, just head scratcher.
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  It didn't make sense.
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  But hey, you know what weird stuff's happened.
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  Um, so then when they negotiated, obviously the first initial thing was they
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  supposedly agreed on a price at 60 grand.
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  But you're my mind if I was looking to say, okay, that's not so bad because it
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  won't take all that much You know, you can put in you know, 20 grand into it You know
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  and get it back up to where it needs to be and then sell it for you Whatever, you
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  know put it out there for 110 something like that and take your 95 whatever
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  you make a nice profit on it Okay, so 60 grand for this theft recovery 360,
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  but let's, let's be real for a minute.
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  What do you think the broker or the consigner in this case, what did they
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  get the car for from the police auction?
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  35 grand.
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  Right?
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  Okay.
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  So some, so there's a profit margin in every step of this equation as we
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  move along in the story of this car.
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  Yeah, I mean 35 40 grand tops.
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  I mean, it's, you know, coming through because obviously, you know, whoever
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  owned it got their payout from the insurance or anything like that.
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  And, you know, they, you know, the cops get, you know, however it
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  got in the insurance company, they just want to get off their hands.
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  So there's money to be made all steps.
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  And it just depends on what level you want to be at.
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  But then, you know, it, it, And it was a big jump because then all of a sudden,
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  you know, they thought they had the deal at 60, but then all of a sudden they
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  get the phone call saying, well, we had another person come in and offer a 75.
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  And if, if you're willing to meet, it's like, it's like
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  typical used car salesman stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  You're like, oh, I got another buyer on the line.
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  Suddenly the price has gone up.
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  If you want to get, I was like, are you kidding me?
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  Yeah.
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  That, that is like the absolute typical, well, I had someone in earlier
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  today, you know, putting in an offer.
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  You know, I got someone calling me back or, you know, this same old BS.
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  So they fall for it.
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  So true or not, whatever.
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  So they, because they told him that, well, if you can match it, since you were
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  here first, and we'll sell you the car.
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  So they kind of mull it over briefly and say, I pulled the trigger and buy it.
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  And I'm like, it's 75 grand.
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  What that was.
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  I go right there.
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  That's just a loser as it is.
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  Because what's the market look like on a three 60 these days?
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  It's pretty soft, right?
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  Oh God.
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  Yeah.
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  Especially with an F1 tranny.
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  I mean, you know, if you're going to buy one, obviously you want to buy it with the
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  six feet and hey, with that car, I mean, you could get the, you know, conversion
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  done or you're still, you know, on those.
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  I think it's like 40 grand, 35 grand on a 360 to do the conversion.
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  So, I mean, that ain't cheap.
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  So you start doing the math and get it up there.
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  So.
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  Um, but yeah, F1 traffic 360 is spider.
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  I mean Yeah, like I saying, depending on modules, you know, to me, like I said, top
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  markets, you know, 1 10, 1 20, you know, I know there's people out there trying
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  to, you know, ask for a lot more, but you know, the ain't gonna sell, you know, you
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  could ask wherever you want for the car, who wants to, you know, pay for that.
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  'cause, especially when you go, you know, from a 360 to a four 30, you got, there's
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  such a huge jump in regards to performance and just, you know, the driving quality of
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  the car and everything you get out of it.
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  It's like you would spend the extra 25 grand and jump into a 430 than you would
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  a 360 because, you know, you can get a, you know, mid, mid to low 20, 000
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  mile at 430, you know, um, you know, in the shit, you know, the 140 range, 150
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  range, you know, decent, great service, everything like that, you know, whereas
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  why would you spend 120 on a 360?
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  When you could spend an extra 20 grand and get, you know, a hundred
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  more horsepower, you know, you go from timing belts to change.
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  So you don't have the belts, the situation going on as you do with
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  the three 60 going into the four 30.
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  There's so many differences between the two.
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  It's like pay the extra money.
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  Yeah.
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  And this is where it gets awkward, right?
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  Because up until this part in the show.
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  We were still trying to figure out how Nick and Sean, the other broker from
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  Gotham garage, we're going to do business and how things were going to work.
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  And they were disagreeing about the strategy going forward
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  and all this kind of stuff.
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  And here we are standing in front of this Ferrari.
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  And by the way, this was the second Ferrari that was proposed in this season.
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  The first deal fell apart and we were just like, Oh, gee drama.
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  It's not going to work out.
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  They're not going to do a Ferrari.
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  They'll go do another Chevelle or something, you know, wait, so what?
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  We'll move on with life.
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  But now we're faced with this three 60, the theft recovery car.
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  At 75 grand after all that kind of overproduced, you
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  know, lifting of the price.
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  And as my wife and I were watching this, we're thinking about it going
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  like something's not right here.
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  Like, and if I was Mark and Sean coming from the hot rod world, from the customs
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  world, dealing mostly with domestics, we've seen what's happened in the past
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  when they did the Volkswagen, when they did the smart car, when they've done a lot
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  of the foreign stuff, there was even a.
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  Kit car going back to our kit car episode, an elite laser nine 17 thing built on
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  a BW bug with a Porsche engine in it.
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  And they struggled with that.
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  And she and I are looking at each other going, this isn't going to end well.
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  If this Ferrari has a single mechanical problem, they are so done.
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  Yep.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, no, uh, the girl on the show was a Constance, um, you know, on the
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  show, I mean, she knows her stuff.
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  I mean, give it that, you know, it's, yeah, she's an attractive
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  girl, but you know, you can't, you don't hold that against her.
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  She knows her stuff, you know, but yeah, that's a totally different animal, you
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  know, and working with those type of engines and, you know, especially, you
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  know, mechanics, you know, electronic wise, everything in that stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  They try to tell them that it ain't no.
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  It's not no Chevelle where it's nice and simple and straightforward.
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  You know, it's, it's very complicated.
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  You can really screw some things up and cost tons of money down the road.
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  Um, you know, that's why one day I was kind of surprised about it.
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  Cause my first thought too, I think I said, okay, we're going to do a, you
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  know, uh, do a conversion to a six beat.
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  You know, that, that, well, those are what made the most sense.
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  Hey, and, you know, yeah, by the kit, they probably figured out
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  cause it's just cables and whatnot.
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  It's not too complicated.
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  You get all the pieces for it.
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  It's not anything crazy.
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  You know, it's just, you know, reprogramming the ECU and stuff like that.
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  What, you know, again, you know, you have someone that knows what
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  they're doing, you can get it done.
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  You know, so that was my thought that they're going to go that route
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  and clean up, but as we both know, they, they didn't, no, they didn't.
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  And that goes back to a previous for our marketplace.
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  Episode where you talked about doing the six speed conversions.
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  You even talked about that on one of our, what should I buy episodes,
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  but more importantly, what we didn't see was the behind the scenes.
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  If they test drove the car, if they didn't, everything sort
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  of happened in the parking lot.
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  And you see Nick Smith jump in the three 60 at one point, started up rev the
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  engine and they're like, okay, cool.
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  We're going to buy it.
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  And it's like, that's it.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  You really didn't even see the interior ever, ever at any point.
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  Even after they did the car, right?
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  Which was kind of strange.
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  It was like, all right You know, so that's another thing.
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  It's like, okay, what shape was that in?
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  I mean, what were you gonna have to do with that?
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  Um, so there again that there's some head scratchers and you know, kind of
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  just going as some you know It doesn't seem right here and it's starting to
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  get a bit Staged kind of I guess you could say or they're hiding some things
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  And again, it goes back to initially looking at the car and saying it's a
• 19:15
  theft recovery and only those couple things are missing, you know, because
• 19:19
  if you really want to enhance the show and really create that, ah, factor, it's
• 19:23
  like, okay, everything should be stripped out of this car, the interior, the seats
• 19:26
  should be gone, everything should be, you know, be torn out, everything like that,
• 19:29
  I mean, I'm going to say it'd be a shell of a He wasn't even missing an emblem.
• 19:32
  I mean, everything was there.
• 19:33
  Yeah, I mean, yeah, you'd think that'd be one of the Whoever stole it, whatever, you
• 19:37
  know, top that thing off and put it on a necklace, you know One of those type of
• 19:42
  deals, you know, yeah, none of that stuff was missing It's like this just seemed a
• 19:46
  bit strange and it seemed a bit staged.
• 19:49
  So, you know again, it's like I Enjoy, let's just see what
• 19:53
  they they go do here Exactly.
• 19:55
  And next they kind of cut away.
• 19:57
  We're back at the shop and they've got some other projects on the back burner
• 20:01
  that they're bringing forward because they need to make money to pay for all this.
• 20:04
  Right.
• 20:04
  So they did that.
• 20:05
  They did this, uh, blacked out Chevelle.
• 20:07
  They're working on this pontoon cartoon VW bus thing, which actually I thought.
• 20:12
  Pretty cool.
• 20:12
  That was a lot of fun, right?
• 20:15
  And so that's the kind of stuff I enjoy watching them build.
• 20:18
  You're like, I would have never thought to put those two things together.
• 20:21
  And then the money they got for it was decent.
• 20:23
  Although that deal, the way they brokered it, that's that typical Sean.
• 20:28
  And I literally called the number they were going to settle on.
• 20:30
  Cause I've seen it so many times.
• 20:32
  I was like, he's going to come in at 40 something.
• 20:34
  The other guy's going to come in at 20 and then they're going to do this little game.
• 20:37
  They're going to settle on 37 and a half.
• 20:39
  And that's how that's going to go out the door.
• 20:40
  And it hit right on the number.
• 20:42
  And my wife was like, man, you need to go on the prices.
• 20:43
  Right.
• 20:44
  And I'm like, it's difficult.
• 20:46
  You know, it's like, why just cut the cut?
• 20:49
  Chase, you say this to eight, we're going to be in the middle anyways.
• 20:51
  Let's just call it a day.
• 20:53
  Exactly.
• 20:53
  But that's part of enjoying the show and being a fan for now, five,
• 20:58
  six years, you get used to how they do things and you're like, okay,
• 21:01
  I see where this is going to go.
• 21:02
  So again, a little bit formulaic.
• 21:04
  And then they start, once they get all that out of the way, they start
• 21:08
  to turn their attention to the Ferrari and what they're going to do.
• 21:10
  And there's a good part of one episode where Mark goes back home.
• 21:15
  You see one of his Corvettes in the driveway.
• 21:17
  He's kind of sitting in his garage and he's got pen to paper.
• 21:20
  This is the same sort of scene they used in season three, when he went
• 21:25
  back to quote unquote, the drawing board to design or bring out his
• 21:29
  design for the supercar and the bike.
• 21:31
  And I'm like, Oh man, here we go.
• 21:33
  And he starts talking about the heritage and the lineage and the Ferraris
• 21:39
  that are going to inspire his design.
• 21:41
  And he's got this whole cork board of photographs that he
• 21:43
  pulled off the internet and stuff.
• 21:45
  And I'm sure you paused at that point, William, and you were like, okay,
• 21:48
  so this is this and this is that.
• 21:50
  Cause I recognize things like the three 30 P three.
• 21:53
  I recognize things like the two 50 GTL Ms and stuff like that.
• 21:57
  And in the background, the pontoon fender Testa Rosas.
• 21:59
  So there's a bunch of cars there, like classic Ferraris.
• 22:03
  And I, and I'm wondering if you had the same thought I had on where
• 22:07
  this design should have gone, but I want you to talk about the classic
• 22:10
  Ferraris that he was looking at.
• 22:12
  Well, yeah, my thought was, Oh, I'm like, Oh Lord, he's going to F this up big time.
• 22:18
  There's he started referencing those cart with those bows and whatnot.
• 22:21
  I'm like, it's not going to work.
• 22:23
  I go, first of all, I go, if you look at, especially like the P3 and stuff,
• 22:27
  and you look at the ass end on it and, you know, regards with the intake
• 22:30
  stuff of that, you look at a three 60.
• 22:32
  That cue is there, you know?
• 22:34
  And so, you know, a lot of those things, you know, nuance wise
• 22:38
  was already on the car, you know?
• 22:39
  And that's, you know, that's when the styling exercise, you know, people were
• 22:42
  going back to, you know, honestly retro, but looking back at old designs to bring
• 22:46
  them forward because they're so popular.
• 22:49
  You know, I mean, like the mustang, everything, you know, all these
• 22:51
  things know Camaros did 'em, so if you look at it, did it, so it's like,
• 22:56
  you know, A, you know, how would you, you know, incorporate that in?
• 23:02
  And, and B is like, how extreme are you gonna go?
• 23:04
  'cause you know, are you gonna just get all new body panels made and completely
• 23:09
  go nuts and have to really start doing some serious, serious, you know, changes
• 23:15
  and modifications to the chassis.
• 23:17
  To accommodate everything that you have to do, you know, and as you know, I mean,
• 23:21
  proportionate is everything, you know, and you know, that those cards aren't huge.
• 23:25
  It's not like you, you know, you got these big long lines.
• 23:27
  It's not like some big massive Lincoln or some old caddy or something like that.
• 23:31
  I mean, it's a small, small, compact car.
• 23:33
  So, I mean, no, your lines going from front to back, you know, you don't
• 23:36
  have all that much distance to go.
• 23:38
  So, I mean, You start creating these big bulbous things on the thing.
• 23:43
  It just really throws all the look off.
• 23:45
  Okay.
• 23:46
  Okay.
• 23:46
  So I'm glad you brought that up because they brought that up too.
• 23:49
  And you know, the design masters at Ferrari and this and that, and if you
• 23:52
  look at a three 60, there's not a crease on the car, it does have a belt line.
• 23:56
  It's very subtle.
• 23:57
  And that actually was referenced later.
• 24:00
  There's a lot of care and thought and imagination that go into the passion of
• 24:04
  designing a Ferrari, and they're right.
• 24:06
  Everything was accounted for.
• 24:08
  Everything was purposely put on that car and shaped the way it
• 24:12
  was wind tunnel or otherwise.
• 24:14
  And you may not like.
• 24:15
  The 360 design, it is pretty smooth compared to a 458 or 488
• 24:20
  or even the cars that preceded it.
• 24:22
  So the 360 sort of a little marshmallow and that's okay.
• 24:25
  So I understand where he's coming from and that it's a blank canvas.
• 24:29
  Maybe we, we can work with this.
• 24:30
  Maybe we can modify it.
• 24:31
  And I'm sitting here going and the words are coming out of my wife's mouth.
• 24:36
  Saying, well, how do you mess with perfection?
• 24:38
  Because the Ferrari, when you look at it at that moment in
• 24:41
  time, the 360 was perfect.
• 24:43
  It pulled the inspiration from the older cars without being
• 24:47
  ostentatious, without being ridiculous.
• 24:49
  And one other comment that they brought up when they were
• 24:52
  talking about the heritage cars.
• 24:54
  Outside of the 330 P three, which was a race cars purpose built for Lamont to
• 24:59
  go against Ford, you know, in the late sixties and all that kind of thing.
• 25:02
  All the other cars they were taking inspiration from.
• 25:05
  They kept saying how unique and different they were.
• 25:07
  And I'm sitting here going, if you know anything about a two 50 outside of Yeah.
• 25:12
  You know, it's chassis long or short.
• 25:14
  They're basically all the same car, especially when you look at the arch
• 25:18
  fenders, even the pontoon fender.
• 25:20
  Testarossa shares design cues and design language with some
• 25:24
  of the other 2 50 base cars.
• 25:26
  So they're not that different.
• 25:27
  So I'm like, you're not pulling from a drastically different line of cars and
• 25:33
  we're going to pick out this 1 little feature and this other little feature.
• 25:35
  It's like they sort of focused on 2 families and tried to run with it.
• 25:39
  Mhm.
• 25:40
  Now, you know, we're discussing these classic Ferraris and we're
• 25:43
  talking about another one that was built in the mid 2000s.
• 25:47
  And I'm thinking to myself this entire time.
• 25:50
  Why didn't they go down the rabbit hole of doing some sort of wide body GTLM type
• 25:58
  of car, some sort of 575 homage, something to the F40, where the heritage would have
• 26:05
  been a lot closer, it would have been easier, turn it into like a Magnum PI 308
• 26:10
  inspired sort of thing, like if you're gonna go for it, but you go all the way
• 26:14
  back to the 60s, like, I don't know.
• 26:18
  Yeah, well, you know, another thing too is.
• 26:20
  Them, you know, I say using those references and, you know, making
• 26:24
  those kind of statements, you know, I, you look at, I guess you would say
• 26:28
  99 percent of the viewers, maybe 96 percent of the viewers have no clue
• 26:33
  about that type of history on Ferrari.
• 26:35
  What not?
• 26:35
  I mean, they'll know the Chevelles, they'll know those kinds of things,
• 26:38
  the hot rod and stuff like that.
• 26:39
  But, you know, it's, you know, the target audience isn't one that's going
• 26:43
  to be as nuanced into history and stuff, but as we are in regards to,
• 26:47
  especially, you know, racing cars, old Ferraris, you know, Porsches, everything.
• 26:50
  You know, um, you know, so I, I doubt that was high on their priority list
• 26:55
  to kind of really put thought into it saying, well, you know, some people are
• 26:58
  going to catch this and kind of probably say, that's not their thought process.
• 27:01
  Their thought process is, wow, these other people are going to think, oh,
• 27:04
  wow, they're going to refer, you know, look at these old Ferraris from the 60s.
• 27:06
  They're going for millions of dollars.
• 27:08
  You know, again, it's just, and that's, you know, they
• 27:12
  made that point about the show.
• 27:13
  Is it scripted bad to a point, you know, but.
• 27:17
  You know, it's what they had to do and how much, you know, him going to his garage
• 27:23
  and doing the drawings and going back.
• 27:25
  I mean, was that suggestion by producers?
• 27:27
  Hey, let's do this.
• 27:28
  You don't really instead of him just thinking.
• 27:30
  Hey, why don't we kind of go this route with it?
• 27:31
  I mean, who knows?
• 27:32
  You know, it's, um.
• 27:34
  It's unfortunate, but I agree with you.
• 27:36
  I mean, 'cause that was also a thought I had, you know, um, you know, taking a
• 27:40
  page out of, you know, like what Liberty Walk does with their, those wide body
• 27:44
  kits, you know, say mantry with the ones or, you know, uh, RWB does on the
• 27:47
  Porsches, you know, kinda like going something like that in regards to, you
• 27:51
  know, going wide body on it, you know, and just really kind of going, I don't
• 27:55
  wanna say extreme, but going extreme, but, you know, keeping that nuance there.
• 27:58
  I mean, just kicking out the fender flares, you know, getting
• 28:00
  it out there, making that stance.
• 28:02
  You know, lower and wider, you know, really just killing it that way.
• 28:06
  But, you know, keep it, just work with the lines that are there, but
• 28:10
  just, you know, take them out more.
• 28:12
  And when I thought about it more, it would have been really cool to do a
• 28:16
  Chinetti tribute and do like a NART design, like get rid of the headlights,
• 28:22
  give it those GTU, GTP blocks flares.
• 28:26
  Like you can see in the eighties that they did on the five 12 BB.
• 28:29
  And I'm like.
• 28:30
  That would have been really, really slick.
• 28:32
  And that would have been something somebody wouldn't like, man,
• 28:33
  that's a modern old NARC race car.
• 28:36
  That's really kind of cool.
• 28:37
  And so for me, reaching back to the sixties was a stretch and then some.
• 28:42
  So what did we end up with?
• 28:44
  Right.
• 28:45
  Nick Smith.
• 28:46
  Is buying new parts or finding parts.
• 28:48
  I don't know where, right.
• 28:50
  A new bumper cover for the rear, the rear grill, the tail lights, everything that
• 28:53
  was missing from the back of the car.
• 28:55
  And it seemed like we boiled the ocean to come up with
• 28:58
  three major changes to the car.
• 29:00
  Am I wrong?
• 29:01
  No, you're right.
• 29:02
  Yeah.
• 29:02
  I mean, front splitter, front hood, and then these we're going to
• 29:08
  talk about the flares in the bath.
• 29:10
  Yeah.
• 29:11
  Well, and yeah, front splitter.
• 29:13
  I don't know where the hell that came from or what it was.
• 29:16
  I mean, I'm like, I saw that thing.
• 29:18
  They put it up there even like touch, like put it up there.
• 29:20
  I'm like, where's that from?
• 29:23
  I mean, if you saw the bracket on the side and everything, and Then, especially
• 29:29
  when they mounted it and we're trying to mold it in, I'm like, Oh my God,
• 29:33
  that's going to look like, and oddly enough, the front end was the best part,
• 29:39
  wherever they got the splitter from, if it came off of a Mustang or they
• 29:42
  measured something, it might've been.
• 29:44
  An energy and RG branded front splitter kind of generic because the rear wing
• 29:50
  that they put on it definitely was right off the shelf at Amazon, right?
• 29:53
  So, but the, so they had to take that splitter that didn't really fit.
• 29:59
  And molded into the nose.
• 30:00
  So on first glance, when you saw it with its color, you know, with the
• 30:07
  discrepancy in the color between the red of the, you know, that tornado read
• 30:11
  the Ferrari red of the three 60 and the carbon fiber black, you're like, that's
• 30:15
  going to actually look pretty cool.
• 30:16
  You know, they, they made some cuts, they slid it in, but then they, to your point,
• 30:20
  when they put in the turnbuckles and the reinforcement to, to accommodate the
• 30:25
  extra weight, they made these really boxy.
• 30:28
  Almost ski slopes on the side with these air ducts that I didn't understand.
• 30:33
  They're not canards.
• 30:34
  They're just like, it reminded me of the Audi S1 Pikes Peak that has
• 30:38
  those sort of like ramp flares in the front that come down to the spoiler.
• 30:43
  And I'm like, that's not a Ferrari thing.
• 30:44
  That's very German looking.
• 30:46
  It was really strange.
• 30:48
  Yeah.
• 30:48
  I just like, I'm like, that doesn't fit.
• 30:51
  Exactly.
• 30:51
  It doesn't fit.
• 30:53
  But the cringe, the cringe moment was when they took the hood off the car.
• 30:57
  And they're like, we're going to put in all the scoop.
• 31:00
  Yeah.
• 31:00
  The GT 40 hood scoop.
• 31:02
  And I'm like, Oh boy, they were referencing a lot of Ferrari.
• 31:06
  And I'm there thinking, well, it was, you know, they said it, but they're doing,
• 31:09
  I'm thinking like, you know, the Pista and the new, you know, F8 style like that.
• 31:13
  But then he started to reference a lot of Ferrari.
• 31:14
  I'm like, it's not going to go anywhere.
• 31:17
  Yeah.
• 31:17
  And my wife was asking me, she's like, how is that going to
• 31:20
  change the handling of the car?
• 31:22
  Yeah.
• 31:23
  Nothing.
• 31:24
  I was like, it's either going to handle like ass because it's
• 31:27
  changed the aerodynamics or it's going to do absolutely nothing.
• 31:30
  And it's just there for effect more than anything.
• 31:32
  It's a bucket.
• 31:33
  It's a bucket.
• 31:34
  Cause they didn't take it out into the front underneath the nose to
• 31:36
  where the air would come up and go to, they didn't do anything.
• 31:38
  They just dropped it in there and some rain catcher.
• 31:42
  I mean, that's all it is.
• 31:43
  And I don't know if you caught it, you know, and we haven't gotten to the color.
• 31:47
  They painted it yet.
• 31:48
  But if you didn't, I don't know if you caught it or not, is they didn't even
• 31:52
  paint all the way down into there.
• 31:54
  They left it black.
• 31:56
  Yeah.
• 31:56
  And, and it wasn't like it was a line or anything, and it wasn't
• 31:58
  even like a nice fade to it.
• 32:00
  It was just like, they were just doing a rattle can to it
• 32:02
  and just like, there you go.
• 32:03
  Bad overspray.
• 32:04
  It was, that was not well finished for sure.
• 32:07
  No.
• 32:07
  And it was just, that was another head scratch.
• 32:10
  And I'm like, seriously?
• 32:11
  I mean.
• 32:12
  But until, until they put.
• 32:15
  The final touches on the nose again with the uprights and all the
• 32:19
  stuff they needed to reinforce it.
• 32:20
  I was like, okay, this can work.
• 32:22
  I can see this happening like with the splitter and the, and the cutout
• 32:27
  nose and all that kind of stuff.
• 32:28
  It sort of had this now for GT.
• 32:31
  Thing going for it.
• 32:32
  And I'm like, we're not pulling from Ferrari's playbook.
• 32:35
  We're still thinking Le Mans.
• 32:37
  We're still thinking that era, but we're in the wrong paddock.
• 32:41
  Yeah, exactly.
• 32:42
  Yeah.
• 32:42
  Wrong manufacturer people.
• 32:46
  And then we moved to the back of the car.
• 32:48
  Oh, oh boy.
• 32:50
  You know, all they did, you know, I, obviously it was just all
• 32:55
  fiberglass work, you know, and that was the other thing too.
• 32:58
  I'm thinking, okay, they're going to pull off the existing panels and like buy
• 33:02
  new ones or build new ones or something.
• 33:04
  No, let's just slap more fiberglass on there and build them up and make
• 33:09
  them taller, fatter, and wider that blew everything out of proportion.
• 33:14
  I look so bad.
• 33:15
  Yeah.
• 33:16
  So wrong.
• 33:16
  I, and I'm watching this stuff going.
• 33:18
  These guys are not the best fiberglass people in the world.
• 33:21
  That's for sure.
• 33:22
  Well, and that was something my wife pointed out.
• 33:25
  If you notice everybody else has got latex up to their elbows and they're trying not
• 33:29
  to get any of the resin on them and Mark's doing it like bare handed and glass, and
• 33:34
  then they used fiberglass over the carbon Kevlar body or whatever, and then they
• 33:40
  use that as a mold to do carbon fiber.
• 33:43
  And then they grafted the carbon fiber fenders to the existing fender, as
• 33:47
  you were describing, and it's like, yeah, you couldn't tell where the
• 33:51
  seam lines were, but the big giveaway, which gets pointed out by the buyer
• 33:56
  later, and we're going to get to that too, is the air duct for the engine.
• 34:01
  I'm like, guys, you couldn't take the time to open that up and smooth it out
• 34:05
  to make the teardrop just look natural.
• 34:08
  It had this weird, what's that bad guy in the Marvel movies that has no nose?
• 34:12
  It looked like him, you know, the red skull or whatever.
• 34:14
  It just was like, if you chop somebody's nose off and you just
• 34:18
  get that diaphragm down the middle.
• 34:19
  That's what it looked like.
• 34:20
  It was weird.
• 34:21
  Well, you know, the other thing too is.
• 34:23
  I'm sitting there saying to myself, I go, all right, with everything
• 34:25
  they're doing and putting on there and doing stuff, they're adding
• 34:28
  all this weight to this car.
• 34:31
  They had added a good two, 300 pounds by the time they were done.
• 34:34
  Yeah.
• 34:35
  Yeah.
• 34:35
  Easily.
• 34:36
  And I'm like, Oh my God.
• 34:37
  Yo.
• 34:37
  And some people I think, Oh, I, it's like, you know, a person or
• 34:40
  something like that drastically changes the car itself immensely.
• 34:45
  The arrow, the handling, the performance.
• 34:47
  And to your point, you know, we, we skipped over doing the obvious.
• 34:51
  Let's put a six speed in it, do some other stuff, maybe a wide body.
• 34:54
  All the things we talked about, they did zero performance months to it.
• 34:57
  And let's, let's face it like nothing, nothing, right.
• 35:02
  But like any exotic, there's a tax.
• 35:05
  And I don't think they could afford to take it to that level and
• 35:09
  say, Oh, we're going to do this.
• 35:10
  We're going to do that.
• 35:10
  Plus they're out of their element.
• 35:12
  Right?
• 35:12
  They've got a Ferrari for the first time in the shop.
• 35:14
  And it's like, well, what do we really do with it?
• 35:16
  Let's just do some bodywork.
• 35:18
  Right?
• 35:18
  Yeah.
• 35:19
  And, you know, and you look at the car, there's another thing too, is it
• 35:22
  wasn't like it was absolutely necessary.
• 35:25
  I mean, to me, look at stop the bodywork look fine.
• 35:28
  Yeah.
• 35:28
  Hey, you know, take it to a good detail or get it all done up, get some
• 35:32
  paint correction done and whatnot.
• 35:34
  You'll be done with it for the day.
• 35:36
  Wash your hands, you know, they would have been better off Just doing a wide
• 35:39
  body can stuff doing some performance mods putting an exhaust on it conversion
• 35:43
  whatnot And for what they got for they would have probably gotten that
• 35:47
  for it justifiably, you know, because in the end The guy wasn't justified.
• 35:53
  We'll get there we get there, but it's just it was baffling the
• 35:58
  thought process and you know and the scary thought is because now Staged
• 36:05
  you're not Is there mine there?
• 36:08
  Oh, we can do this to some more Ferraris.
• 36:10
  Oh, we'll get there too.
• 36:12
  But we gotta, we gotta talk about the color.
• 36:15
  Yeah.
• 36:15
  Yeah.
• 36:16
  That's like, oh, this is a sacrilege.
• 36:19
  I mean, this is, you know, it's a factory color just from a different factory.
• 36:24
  Yeah.
• 36:25
  Jesus.
• 36:26
  Kia.
• 36:28
  Well, that's not, it's nine 11 GT three RS green, right?
• 36:31
  It's Carrera green.
• 36:32
  Yeah.
• 36:33
  And it looks horrible on that car.
• 36:36
  I don't know if it was the lighting.
• 36:38
  Yeah.
• 36:39
  I don't know.
• 36:39
  I mean, I don't, they changed the hue slightly or whatnot because that
• 36:44
  green on a nine 11 looks spectacular.
• 36:46
  I mean, it looks great.
• 36:47
  And that's because a nine 11 can wear almost every color.
• 36:51
  Like, I mean, if you look at the seventies, they came in the assortment
• 36:54
  of M and M colors from the factory and that orange, yellow, that
• 36:58
  Kelly green career green is one of those colors in the catalog, right?
• 37:02
  But Ferraris.
• 37:04
  If you're going to do green, you go back to the 308 catalog and you
• 37:08
  do that metallic green that really dark with the gold fleck in it.
• 37:12
  Like the, the Ferrari's where darker colors better if you, and as far
• 37:18
  out as you can go, is that kind of gangster yellow, you know, the, the,
• 37:22
  the job, low, whatever they call it, you know, that, that they have
• 37:25
  that, that bright mustard color.
• 37:27
  And, and that's about as, as outlandish as they get.
• 37:30
  And you kind of think about Ferrari.
• 37:33
  And you start painting it, these crazy colors like that.
• 37:35
  And it's like, well, who the hell do you think you are?
• 37:37
  Lamborghini, like Lamborghini does that, right?
• 37:39
  Paint it orange, paint it ink, purple, like all these Chrysler colors
• 37:43
  that came on the challenger, right?
• 37:45
  But a Ferrari, it's like red, black, Navy blue, dark gray.
• 37:49
  You know, all those, those wonderful colors that they come in.
• 37:51
  But Carrera green.
• 37:54
  That 360 does not wear that color well.
• 37:56
  And I tell you what, even if it was a race livery, it wouldn't
• 37:59
  look good in that color.
• 38:00
  No, it was horrendous.
• 38:02
  And, you know, like I said, once you see it, you're going
• 38:05
  to be like, you want to puke.
• 38:07
  Let's talk about the accents, shall we?
• 38:10
  Oh, you know, and I think that's, those are the only patterns they know
• 38:13
  is that fucking spiderweb pattern.
• 38:16
  And as you people, if you watch the preview ones or what I go through,
• 38:19
  you'll see it's a, it's a common theme on a lot of the cars they do is that
• 38:23
  they, they redo the grills and whatnot, but putting these spiderweb accents in
• 38:29
  the ducks in the front and then, you know, and either putting that little
• 38:32
  Gotham logo or putting, getting the name Gotham on it, you know, on the front.
• 38:37
  Oh my, and this was gold.
• 38:39
  No, not just gold, rose gold, rose gold, my bad, rose gold because and that was
• 38:45
  the color of the wheels to boot too, which sometimes, you know, the rose gold
• 38:49
  can look good in certain situations on certain cars if it's done correctly,
• 38:53
  you know, but on this situation, it just didn't work because it's rose gold
• 38:56
  on, on this just vomit green and but it was the tackiest, tackiest ugliest.
• 39:05
  Look at you, they, they pull off and you look at their front.
• 39:08
  You just gotta be, are you kidding me?
• 39:11
  So when they put the Gotham garage in rose gold inside of the bucket, right?
• 39:16
  The rain collector, as you like to call it, that was the flava flave
• 39:20
  with the big clock around his neck.
• 39:22
  Like it was so, Out of place.
• 39:25
  It was so wrong.
• 39:27
  Like, even if they had just put their big, you know, double G logo with the
• 39:31
  bat wings, it wouldn't look right either.
• 39:33
  It just.
• 39:34
  To your point, it needed to have a better gradient in the paint scheme.
• 39:38
  It needed to be subtle, needed to be shadowed, but putting that
• 39:41
  Gotham garage and the way they sat it, it was partially in the green,
• 39:44
  partially in the back, it just stood out like a gold tooth and you're
• 39:47
  just like, Oh God, this is terrible.
• 39:50
  Drawing attention to the worst.
• 39:51
  One of the worst things on that front end where they did a shit paint job.
• 39:54
  They didn't complete it.
• 39:55
  It's like.
• 39:55
  Let's put some accent on there that looks like crap and that
• 39:58
  draws attention to that as well.
• 39:59
  Well, and I'm glad you said shit paint job because we've watched them
• 40:03
  paint cars over the years and Mark is an extremely talented painter.
• 40:08
  I've said it before.
• 40:09
  I will stand by that.
• 40:10
  Some of the stuff he has done in the paint booth is amazing.
• 40:13
  I want to reference the Mako Shark inspired C3 Corvette that they did.
• 40:18
  He did this beautiful.
• 40:20
  Gradient from just like a shark's body from a deep dark blue all the way
• 40:24
  to a silver through these multiple.
• 40:26
  I mean, it was just gorgeous metallic, you know, and they're capable of
• 40:30
  doing some awesome paint jobs.
• 40:32
  I noticed with this car, we didn't see it in the paint booth.
• 40:36
  No, we saw them getting together.
• 40:39
  Afterwards and they're pulling Nick Smith in.
• 40:41
  Oh, you got to get dirty and put your overalls on and everybody gets
• 40:44
  involved in the big build and all this BS and I'm like, okay, fine.
• 40:48
  And you watch them and they're pulling the, you know, the painter,
• 40:50
  the frog tape off of the car.
• 40:52
  And at 1 point, my wife pointed out, she goes, look, you can still see the red.
• 40:55
  They didn't prime the car.
• 40:57
  So they did like a Mako spray over on this thing.
• 41:00
  And I'm sort of wondering, like, is this like a plastic dip?
• 41:03
  Like they're going to be able to peel this paint off later kind of thing.
• 41:06
  Because normally you would see the whole stage, them sanding down the
• 41:09
  car and doing all this stuff and doing the prep work and blah, blah, blah.
• 41:12
  And in this case, they kind of blasted through that.
• 41:15
  And I'm like, Oh boy, all that fiberglass work that they did on
• 41:19
  the tube on the ass end, you know.
• 41:21
  That's a shit load of prep work and getting everything.
• 41:24
  And then, you know, panel gaps, everything.
• 41:26
  I mean, again, yeah, they, uh, they hit a lot, I guess you could say in
• 41:31
  regards to process and steps that were taken to get to that end result,
• 41:36
  which just is just absolute blasphemy.
• 41:40
  I mean, just, I could not believe my eyes when I saw that thing, when it was done.
• 41:44
  But it gets worse.
• 41:45
  It gets worse.
• 41:46
  I was just about to say, and you think, oh my God, it can't get any worse than this.
• 41:49
  Oh, it gets worse.
• 41:50
  Because, you know, then it even gets more along the lines.
• 41:53
  You're thinking this is a stage or whatnot, and it kind of go referencing,
• 41:57
  you know, the two sales guys.
• 42:00
  I can see Nick having some contacts and whatnot, just because of his
• 42:04
  background, everything like that.
• 42:05
  What, you know, he came up through with, uh, you know, it's symbolic and uh, was
• 42:09
  it Sotheby's or one of the auction houses?
• 42:11
  Classic Avenue and all that.
• 42:12
  Yeah.
• 42:13
  So I could see him having, you know, some of the content stuff, but the other
• 42:16
  guy, you know, if you look at his resume and stuff like that, a guy, you know,
• 42:21
  he's been on a couple of the car shows, but he was mainly, the guy's an actor.
• 42:25
  You know, and I'm like, I don't think this guy knows anybody.
• 42:27
  So this was somebody getting pulling strings or something or someone they
• 42:31
  knew, but you know, making those calls and as you know, cause you saw it, but
• 42:36
  so everyone, you know, just kind of going over it, you know, they stage,
• 42:40
  they have an event, you know, they call around and try and find a place.
• 42:43
  They find out there's a winery, really nice winery, everything like that.
• 42:46
  And they, so they invite all these people that are prospective
• 42:49
  buyers and everything like that.
• 42:51
  At night, I want to point out.
• 42:52
  At night, yeah, which was a good, yeah, good move.
• 42:56
  Try to make it as dark as possible.
• 42:58
  Always sell a car at night if you don't want anybody to look at the mistakes.
• 43:02
  Just feed them that booze before you take the cover off.
• 43:04
  So, you know, they get the stage set, so obviously they corral
• 43:07
  all these people to come out.
• 43:08
  You know, and, you know, my understanding would be open bar and whatnot.
• 43:11
  So, you know, 80 percent of the people come and, hey, they're just coming for the
• 43:14
  free booze and snacks and stuff like that.
• 43:16
  But, you know, kind of given a ballpark is where they're thinking this thing
• 43:21
  might be at, you know, they were kind of given a definitive hard number, you
• 43:25
  know, to get people to go, but, you know, they're kind of getting out there because
• 43:28
  people, you know, would want to know that before traveling however far it may be.
• 43:33
  You know, and you know, the one guy comes out that traveled very far.
• 43:38
  I mean, I felt bad for these people Yeah, because when they uncovered the
• 43:43
  car if you looked if you paused and sort of looked into the crowd The reaction
• 43:47
  wasn't all smiles with a big sign that says applause and they all go crazy.
• 43:51
  There were people are like What the heck is this thing, right?
• 43:55
  And so there was a lot of hype around the car and in the background the
• 43:58
  murmurs within the crew is like This is either going to make us or break
• 44:02
  us because to your point sure doing a ferrari in this color in this way It's
• 44:06
  sacrilege, especially in a community that knows those cars wants those cars
• 44:10
  in their collection with their other ferraris or their porsches Or whatever
• 44:13
  they have, you know, this is not a toy.
• 44:16
  This is not a corvette You can dress up like a hot wheels car, which as a matter
• 44:20
  of fact, they've done on this show before.
• 44:22
  And so for me, I'm, I'm on pins and needles going, man, this is going to
• 44:26
  go over like a lead balloon and they're going to be stuck with this car.
• 44:29
  And this is like three times that they're stuck with some bill
• 44:33
  that they just cannot unload.
• 44:37
  There comes a point, you know, they unveil the car, people are talking
• 44:40
  and you see people are walking away.
• 44:42
  You know, I got to get another drink before I look at this thing again.
• 44:45
  And they're trying to work the crowd.
• 44:47
  The whole team is trying to work the crowd.
• 44:50
  Every one of them is.
• 44:51
  And at one point, and I don't know if they meant to leave it in or not, but you hear
• 44:55
  Constance saying, this isn't going well.
• 44:58
  Nobody's interested in this car.
• 45:00
  And I was like, dang, that is savage.
• 45:03
  Well, you know, everyone that you'll walk up to is kind of thing.
• 45:06
  You go, ah, I'll have to think about it.
• 45:08
  You know, it's just a nice way to like, you're outta your mind.
• 45:10
  Oh, that guy talking about his wife, I gotta run it by my wife.
• 45:13
  I'm like, oh man.
• 45:14
  Yeah, exactly.
• 45:15
  It's like, yeah, again, it's the, the old car sales stuff,
• 45:18
  you know, on the purchaser side, you know, using the same excuse.
• 45:20
  But yeah, I mean, going up to everybody, eh, I don't think so, whatnot.
• 45:23
  And what we've left out, the big reveal is how much they wanted for the car, right?
• 45:27
  Oh, yeah.
• 45:28
  I mean, what was he at?
• 45:30
  2 25?
• 45:31
  Two and a quarter.
• 45:33
  For 360.
• 45:35
  Yeah.
• 45:35
  For 360.
• 45:36
  With no performance mods.
• 45:38
  Yeah, depth recovery, which, you know, you'll find on doing
• 45:42
  a VIN thing on stuff like that.
• 45:43
  And if they're worth their salt, they would have disclosed that too,
• 45:46
  that this was a depth recovery car.
• 45:48
  You know, which is a, you know, a big red flag for anybody, especially a Ferrari
• 45:51
  that, you know, is done by a shop that has no business working on a Ferrari.
• 45:56
  You know, it'd be one thing if you're going to an actual Ferrari shop, they
• 46:01
  got a theft recovery, went through a tooth and nail, everything like that.
• 46:05
  Every nut and bolt and you can trust the fact is, but then you got these guys.
• 46:09
  You know, they're they're even, you know, how, how many fires they worked on two,
• 46:13
  one, maybe a best, you know, zero, you know, so that was the, you know, uh, the
• 46:20
  other thing about it too is I, I want to say the balls on them to ask that.
• 46:26
  I mean, that is some balls, you know, to stand by that Jane.
• 46:32
  Okay.
• 46:32
  Let's see.
• 46:32
  Yeah.
• 46:32
  We want to 25 for it.
• 46:34
  You know, and if you, in other episodes I watch it, you know,
• 46:37
  and if you go back and watch other ones, you'll see, they kind of.
• 46:40
  You know, as a group or, you know, between Mark and Paul, you know,
• 46:44
  they kind of usually come up with the number, but then when they get
• 46:47
  in front of the client, potentially, Paul always jacks the price up more.
• 46:50
  Oh, Sean does.
• 46:51
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:52
  Sean does, you know, and get it down.
• 46:54
  So, you know, it's like, okay, they're starting high, but on the
• 46:58
  big builds on big builds like this, like the supercar, like the Tesla,
• 47:02
  the Ferrari, there's a couple others.
• 47:04
  He digs his heels in the sand and he doesn't want to budge on the number.
• 47:08
  And they mentioned that even during this, when it comes almost down to closing,
• 47:11
  because we get this dark horse rolling in at the last minute when everybody's pretty
• 47:15
  much like, nah, brah, you can, yeah.
• 47:17
  You can take that thing back on the trailer it came on, right?
• 47:20
  He's dig, you can tell he's digging his heels and he wants that 225.
• 47:24
  He wants 200.
• 47:25
  And then they're, they're screwing around with the numbers.
• 47:27
  And at one point, Sean's playing the same game.
• 47:29
  He always plays it.
• 47:30
  I'm like, here we go.
• 47:32
  And you don't look on Nick's face.
• 47:33
  And again, the editing this season is funny compared to previous ones
• 47:37
  where they left certain things in.
• 47:38
  And Nick is like, just rolling his eyes.
• 47:40
  Like, come on, man.
• 47:41
  This is not how we do business in the Ferrari world.
• 47:43
  Like, what are you doing?
• 47:45
  You know?
• 47:46
  Yeah, well, you know, and you have to start wondering because you watch
• 47:49
  is like him digging his heels in.
• 47:51
  Is it more ego, you know, and his mind thinking, you know, no, in
• 47:57
  my mind, it is worth this, you know, something's only worth what
• 48:00
  someone's willing to pay for it.
• 48:01
  Exactly.
• 48:03
  And unless you have, you know, all it takes is two people to
• 48:06
  create a bidding war, so to speak, and to drive a price up whatnot.
• 48:09
  But if you have one person that's dictating market value, it's going down.
• 48:14
  I mean, you got one buyer, you're going to have to bite the bullet.
• 48:16
  But yeah, I mean, digging his heels in, you know, them getting a little
• 48:20
  paranoid because, you know, I think those other ones, they, they were thinking
• 48:23
  too, is like, oh crap, we're going to be stuck with this car, you know, and
• 48:27
  then what are we going to do with it?
• 48:28
  How are we going to sell?
• 48:29
  Because if you go back, you know, to those.
• 48:32
  The Bugatti S car, you know, they made an attempt to sell that thing online.
• 48:35
  He dug his heels in and wouldn't let it go.
• 48:37
  And then, you know, luckily they, how legit it was or whatnot, because Nick was
• 48:43
  the one that brought in the supposed big high ball and roller deal, you know, buyer
• 48:47
  and Nick ends up being on in season five.
• 48:49
  So I was like, how much was that kind of plate?
• 48:50
  So who knows?
• 48:52
  But, you know, uh, it's just, you can see the kind of worry and
• 48:56
  everyone else that I saw, crap, we're going to be stuck with as well.
• 48:58
  But again, now we get something that seems a little too TV esque as well.
• 49:04
  This major collector from the East coast comes rolling in who supposedly
• 49:10
  is just, it happens to be a town.
• 49:12
  This was a two week window from them calling on this guy coming in, which
• 49:14
  is a little odd because something like that, you know, in that timeframe, unless
• 49:18
  you're talking something super special.
• 49:19
  And you know, that they were looking for this specific car.
• 49:22
  They're not going to kind of say, drop everything or be able to squeeze
• 49:25
  something in, you know, this guy's, you know, if he's a major collector,
• 49:28
  the kind of dealings this guy has.
• 49:30
  He's not gonna be like, well, yeah, yeah, you know, the auto show's
• 49:33
  going on, but I'll try and see if I can squeeze in and whatnot.
• 49:36
  Let's be real, William.
• 49:37
  If they had called you, you would have gone.
• 49:39
  You would have showed up.
• 49:40
  Yeah, yeah, why not?
• 49:41
  Well, God, I wanted to see what the hell this thing was.
• 49:43
  I mean, talk about a great YouTube video.
• 49:46
  That'd have been fantastic.
• 49:47
  Oh my God, that would have got, you know, went viral.
• 49:49
  Look at this thing, he's dropping this thing before the show aired.
• 49:52
  But, um, you know, so as you saw, and this guy comes rolling in,
• 49:57
  it was in a Rolls Royce or I'm trying to remember what it was in.
• 50:00
  Yeah.
• 50:00
  So when he's in the backseat, you know, I'll ask you, Hey, I'm a high ball or
• 50:03
  roller here and coming in and you know, he comes in, you know, gets out of the car,
• 50:09
  they greet him, guys, very kind of low key and the covers already off the car.
• 50:13
  So it wasn't like they did the reveal to him.
• 50:16
  So he comes walking up and see this car.
• 50:17
  Now, again, this guy is supposedly, uh, A major collector.
• 50:22
  So you have to assume he's probably got some Ferraris in his collection and
• 50:25
  supposedly an expert in three sixties.
• 50:27
  They said, yes.
• 50:29
  And yeah, and I'm sitting and thinking to myself, if this guy's a major collector
• 50:33
  and he's got anything he could give two shits about a three 60, there's nothing
• 50:37
  special about it unless it's like a three 60 challenge or something like that.
• 50:40
  You know, um, yeah, it's just some standard three 60 channel.
• 50:43
  I mean, three 60 is like.
• 50:45
  What would he care?
• 50:45
  I mean, it's a, I would say entry level, but it is like buying a three Oh eight.
• 50:49
  You're like, whatever.
• 50:50
  Yeah, exactly.
• 50:51
  Yeah.
• 50:51
  So him getting is all worked up about it, but no, so he comes
• 50:55
  walking up and starts looking at it.
• 50:57
  And again, as we described this card, and as if you watch the episodes, you
• 51:01
  will see how horrific this car is.
• 51:05
  And this guy like actually showing some kind of interest in the car, which was
• 51:09
  absolutely shocking to me that I'm saying, okay, this is just kind of set up now.
• 51:12
  This is, is not making sense.
• 51:14
  I.
• 51:15
  There's just no way.
• 51:16
  So as we guys out, we knew where they were starting at at the 225.
• 51:21
  You know, so they get down to brass tacks and start, you
• 51:24
  know, kind of discussing that.
• 51:25
  I know he's going over the car He's talking about violence stuff.
• 51:28
  I mean, he's really kind of, you know, scrutinizing the car
• 51:30
  kind of going again Go back.
• 51:32
  We don't see the interior at all.
• 51:34
  I don't see him open a car door and look inside at all You know, he doesn't
• 51:40
  you don't see him start the car, you know, nothing, you know I'm, sorry, but
• 51:45
  you're gonna buy something like that.
• 51:46
  You're gonna start it.
• 51:47
  I want to hear it run all right, let's drive because I want to see how the
• 51:50
  transmissions I think is If the F1 trade shot on that, that's 20 grand right there.
• 51:54
  You know, it's like all these things, if you're going to be
• 51:56
  spending that kind of money, you know, you're north of six figures.
• 52:00
  You're going to want to scrutinize the hell out of this car.
• 52:03
  And you're probably, you know, get a PPI done and do all this stuff.
• 52:06
  And hey, I want to see records on, on, on, on, you know, I just come
• 52:08
  strolling in to see this gaudy ass green snot thing sitting there with
• 52:13
  these rose gold accents, spiderweb accents, saying Gotham garage on it.
• 52:17
  Going.
• 52:19
  Yeah.
• 52:19
  I'm going to put that in my collection.
• 52:20
  And offering up 165 grand.
• 52:23
  And my wife was like, what did he just say?
• 52:26
  165.
• 52:28
  I was like, I'm sitting and go, okay, this guy is not legit.
• 52:31
  I go, there is no way this guy would even start there.
• 52:36
  I was, I was waiting for like one 20 or one 10 to come out of his mind.
• 52:39
  Even then I've been like, yeah, you guys should probably take that, you know?
• 52:43
  And, but no, and him started once he did, I was like, Oh God, you know?
• 52:47
  And so then they came back at the 200.
• 52:52
  So then he's kind of scary.
• 52:53
  He goes, well, you know, and then I think he came to one 70.
• 52:56
  They came down to one 90.
• 52:58
  And then he just says, I can't go any higher than 175 like, uh, yeah.
• 53:02
  And so, and that's, again, when Mark's kind of digging his heels and they're kind
• 53:06
  of like looking at Mark going, oh, crap, we're going to be stuck with this car.
• 53:09
  And, you know, they do that dramatic effect, looking at
• 53:12
  Mark, everything like that.
• 53:12
  So then he starts, you know, going into the spill about, you know, you're
• 53:16
  thinking, okay, he's not going to sell.
• 53:17
  Then he's like, well, but.
• 53:18
  You know, this gets us in the door or dah, dah, dah for this market.
• 53:22
  Did it in a snap?
• 53:23
  So yeah, we can do one saying, fine.
• 53:24
  I'm thinking, Oh my God, if this guy's, if that guy bought that car, he's
• 53:29
  legit and that car is sitting in a collection of five or 10 cars or whatnot.
• 53:32
  That thing's like sitting up front or something like that.
• 53:35
  I mean, people are going to walk in and go, this guy's got absolute.
• 53:39
  Stupid taste.
• 53:40
  I mean, why would you buy that car?
• 53:43
  The money it would take to convert it back to a just plain jane 360.
• 53:48
  You're completely upside down I mean the hood alone.
• 53:50
  I can't imagine after they sacrificed it is cheap, you know In my opinion
• 53:55
  if you're gonna mod a ferrari to your point Pull the fenders off, pull the
• 53:59
  hood off, keep the original parts so you can convert it back to what it was in
• 54:03
  case it just goes totally pear shaped.
• 54:06
  But to mod the car like it was an old Chevelle or an Impala or something
• 54:09
  and say, well, here it is, you know, we shaved the door handles.
• 54:12
  You're like, ah, that's, that's, it's hard to come back from that.
• 54:16
  You go out into the market, you know, and again, we'll refer and
• 54:19
  referencing like, you know, Liberty Walk, Banstree, RWB and whatnot.
• 54:23
  They really do not with any of those kits really basically fiddle with.
• 54:29
  The look of it, they just kind of enhance it and, and just
• 54:32
  give it a meaner looking stance.
• 54:34
  You know, they're gonna get into a fiberglass work here and there.
• 54:36
  Yeah.
• 54:36
  I mean, you got some extreme ones where it's complete new bolt-on kit for, you
• 54:40
  know, quarters and fenders and whatnot.
• 54:42
  But, you know, those ones are, you can tell that that's what
• 54:45
  they are, but you look at, you know, what those other ones are.
• 54:48
  It's like, it enhances it.
• 54:49
  They, they work with the car, you know, and what those guys did is
• 54:53
  just, it's horrendous and it just, I.
• 54:57
  And it's like, is that, that's why I just really think, okay, when he got to
• 54:59
  that point, okay, that guy's not legit.
• 55:01
  It ain't real.
• 55:02
  It's like And I've been kind of looking around online trying to find any anything
• 55:06
  else on this car, you know where did it end up whatnot because you know Either
• 55:12
  a the guy did buy it and he fucking put it in a dumpster and just like lit it on
• 55:16
  fire And says, oh, hey, I got some good pr on that or whatnot God only knows,
• 55:21
  you know, or put it in a you know, smash up dirt car derby or something I mean, I
• 55:25
  don't know what you would do that because I would be embarrassed to take that thing
• 55:28
  to any type of Even to a cars and coffee I mean, because people are going to be
• 55:32
  like, they know how much you paid for it.
• 55:34
  They're going to be looking at you going, you're the fricking
• 55:37
  idiot that bought this car.
• 55:39
  You know, it's, you know, and if that guy is legit, the people that
• 55:45
  know him in the industry as, and whoever's like, they dealt with
• 55:50
  them or sold them cars or whatnot.
• 55:51
  I mean, his phone would have been ringing off the hook saying, how
• 55:54
  in the hell did you pay that?
• 55:55
  Why would you pay that for that car?
• 55:57
  But I mean.
• 55:57
  You talk about getting ridiculed, and you know, he's probably like,
• 56:00
  I actually didn't buy the car, I just threw it out there and whatnot
• 56:03
  to kind of let them save face.
• 56:05
  So, and that's exactly what we were thinking.
• 56:07
  I think who ended up with that car is the young guy with the flat brim hat that
• 56:12
  they brought in at the beginning of the season, who has all that collection of
• 56:16
  the Lamborghinis and Bugattis and all that kind of stuff, and he bought, Custom
• 56:22
  Dodge Charger that they built for him.
• 56:24
  It's the first car they did in the season.
• 56:26
  And I was scratching my head going like, why the hell does somebody want
• 56:29
  like a hooptie charger from 2006?
• 56:31
  And, you know, and they built him this car that he could kind of take
• 56:34
  and go hoon around it and whatever.
• 56:35
  And I'm like.
• 56:36
  This Ferrari sort of leans in that direction, and he was there
• 56:40
  that night, and they didn't pay him a ton of attention.
• 56:43
  They started the yo, bro.
• 56:44
  What's up?
• 56:45
  You know, you're here.
• 56:45
  Thanks for coming to the party.
• 56:46
  And he was in the background.
• 56:48
  And even when they negotiated with Poindexter, you know, from the East
• 56:51
  Coast, if you notice, there was no crowd.
• 56:54
  Yeah, they're everyone's gone almost exactly.
• 56:57
  And there was continuity issues that my wife and I picked up on in the filming
• 57:01
  where Mark was wearing different hats and you had to pay close attention
• 57:05
  and they didn't, they didn't even take the time to like brush off his blazer.
• 57:08
  Like it was, it was a mess, right?
• 57:10
  And we're like, what the hell?
• 57:12
  And we really think that that other guy, and I can't remember his name right now.
• 57:16
  Probably ended up with a car because it sort of falls more in line with his
• 57:20
  style, you know new money You know fancy car just kind of you know fast and the
• 57:25
  furious type of look at me Look at me look at me and I'm cool with that man
• 57:29
  If you like if you like cars and that's your thing, I'm good with it, right?
• 57:33
  But this other dude, yeah I didn't believe it for a second.
• 57:36
  But yeah where we go from here Is what really got my attention and remember
• 57:42
  they're talking about this saying we're gonna do high end cars We want to do
• 57:47
  jaguars and porsches and ferraris and mercedes benz and all this kind of stuff
• 57:50
  And i'm like, I keep thinking to myself.
• 57:52
  This is a weird marriage between nick's team And mark's team nick keeps talking
• 57:57
  about having how he wants to elevate them and i'm like You got to get them to pack
• 58:01
  up the custom the custom american cars and the hot rods because hot rods and
• 58:05
  exotics I hate to say they don't mix.
• 58:08
  No, they don't.
• 58:09
  They don't, right?
• 58:11
  So when you look at a shop on the east coast or on the west coast, like a
• 58:15
  Forza or Prancing Skunk or any of those people that are doing restorations
• 58:19
  that are working on those cars, or if they are doing modifications
• 58:22
  to them, they're within reason.
• 58:25
  They're within the right mentality of how you would modify a Ferrari or a Maserati
• 58:29
  or a Lamborghini or whatever it is.
• 58:31
  But I just don't see this working, right?
• 58:33
  And we're kind of, I felt like my wife and I, as we were watching this, We breathe
• 58:38
  the sigh of relief as did the past and everybody else sort of when it was over
• 58:43
  like, Oh my God, we're going to put this Ferrari thing to bed and we're going
• 58:46
  to move on and hope that season six is better because this is just a train wreck.
• 58:51
  And then we get this sort of after the credits at the Marvel movie,
• 58:56
  you just sat through, you know, the Hulk and Iron Man doing their thing.
• 59:01
  And there's this extra five minutes of Nick, Sean and Mark.
• 59:06
  In a private collection.
• 59:08
  And so why don't you describe it for everybody?
• 59:09
  What plays out next?
• 59:11
  That's a dealer.
• 59:12
  Okay.
• 59:13
  DDD has been in that shop a few times.
• 59:16
  I don't know if anyone watches DDE, the daily driven exotic YouTube
• 59:19
  channel, but they actually were in there recently and they've been
• 59:21
  in there before, and I'm trying to remember the name of that dealership.
• 59:25
  But anyways, yeah, so they show them the next day going to, because they think
• 59:29
  they're stepping up and I meet Leo when they're kind of going around, even before
• 59:33
  they said it, I'm like, okay, the six 12 Scalietti, okay, that's a cheap car,
• 59:39
  you know, while I'm speaking, I go, and, but Hey, if it's got a six speed in it,
• 59:43
  you know, Hey, you could do some cool stuff with that very subtle whatnot and
• 59:47
  get it, you know, but as we saw, it was a package deal for the six 12 F1 tranny.
• 59:55
  I want to assume because that would have been because price wise where
• 1:00:00
  they're at and a four or five eight.
• 1:00:02
  So four or five eight, you know, just a basic Italian.
• 1:00:06
  So what names you want a special one, but those are going up in value because that's
• 1:00:09
  the last naturally aspirated Ferrari eight cylinder they're making they made.
• 1:00:15
  And they sound beautiful.
• 1:00:18
  Oh, and it's a fabulous car.
• 1:00:20
  And people rant and rant and say, Hey, that's like the last pure
• 1:00:23
  Ferrari, because then you start getting into turbocharged stuff in
• 1:00:26
  the four eights and stuff like that.
• 1:00:28
  Now the six 12 is kind of one of those ones is a love.
• 1:00:30
  Hey, you know, I like them.
• 1:00:33
  I think they're not, it's a great touring car, you know, a big front end
• 1:00:36
  is V12 whatnot, 600 some horsepower.
• 1:00:39
  It's like the new four or five, six, basically.
• 1:00:42
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:43
  It's all it was is the upgrade from the four or five, six.
• 1:00:45
  It's a great car, you know?
• 1:00:46
  And then they say it's a package deal and you got to buy them both.
• 1:00:51
  Cause they're like, well, we'll just buy this one.
• 1:00:53
  So now you got to buy them both.
• 1:00:54
  290, 000.
• 1:00:57
  Yeah.
• 1:00:57
  Joy and I for both.
• 1:00:58
  And I'm like, I started thinking in my head, I'm like, if, you know, and then the
• 1:01:02
  guy kind of says, oh, there's some room there or whatnot, I go, if you can get
• 1:01:04
  those for two 50 to 65 for both of them, I go, that's a pretty, not a bad deal.
• 1:01:12
  You know, because, you know, you break out that 458, depending on mileage options,
• 1:01:18
  what not, how is it done again, because you have no idea, but, you know, that's
• 1:01:21
  150, 000, 170, 000, right there, that 612, again, you're in that, you know,
• 1:01:28
  120, 130 range, you know, again, depending on miles, what not, so, and, that's a
• 1:01:34
  retail number, not wholesaling them, but if you can get around there, that's
• 1:01:37
  not a bad deal on those two cars, right?
• 1:01:40
  But the scary part is, is what in God's name are they
• 1:01:44
  going to do to these two cars?
• 1:01:46
  That's where they leave you.
• 1:01:48
  Yeah.
• 1:01:49
  Cause you know, they're, you know, they, they set that up to for
• 1:01:51
  them to, they're buying the cars.
• 1:01:53
  I mean, it's.
• 1:01:54
  If they start season six episode one and they come in and say, wow,
• 1:01:58
  we didn't buy those two cars, I'd be like, I'd be a little surprised.
• 1:02:01
  There's a moment of tension as they close it out, leaving us with a
• 1:02:04
  cliffhanger, going into season six.
• 1:02:05
  And to your point, it's going to be one of these make or break situations.
• 1:02:09
  Either they're going to buy the cars and they're going to go both feet into
• 1:02:12
  this custom Ferrari spiderweb world, or They're going to part ways with Nick Smith
• 1:02:19
  and, and both my wife and I were kind of like, those are the only options here.
• 1:02:22
  And because season five was so rocky with the way they do business so differently.
• 1:02:29
  I'm like, I don't know that I want to watch a season six where
• 1:02:33
  we perpetuate this behavior.
• 1:02:35
  I can't, I've been saying for a while now, since the show sort of
• 1:02:39
  changed in season three, how do we get back to seasons one and two?
• 1:02:43
  How do we get back to the red paper clip?
• 1:02:45
  How do we get back to that?
• 1:02:47
  Classic upgrade and trade mentality where they were scratching at, you
• 1:02:52
  know, 1, 500 cars and this and that.
• 1:02:54
  And, you know, jokingly, my wife says, that's when you change over and you
• 1:02:57
  just keep watching Tex Mex motors because that's what they're doing.
• 1:03:01
  So, you know, and that's a whole nother story for another day.
• 1:03:04
  And that, that show also ends with a Ferrari in their stable, a 275 Daytona.
• 1:03:10
  But we'll talk about that another, another point.
• 1:03:12
  There's this hardball moment between sort of almost come to Jesus between
• 1:03:17
  Nick and Mark, and they're staring each other down like it's the Alamo.
• 1:03:21
  And Nick's like, this is the game you wanted to play.
• 1:03:24
  And this is a direct quote.
• 1:03:26
  If you don't dare, you don't win.
• 1:03:28
  And I'm like, come on, man.
• 1:03:30
  And then it just roll credits.
• 1:03:32
  See y'all next year, right?
• 1:03:34
  Well, you know, here's the thing too.
• 1:03:35
  And as you hit it, you know, in regards to the business model, you know, I'm
• 1:03:41
  bit surprised, especially, you know, if you're going like that high dollar
• 1:03:45
  opening just out of the gate, you know, acquiring what cards you're going
• 1:03:48
  to work on, you know, supposedly the business model is, it seemed like they
• 1:03:54
  all have an ownership stake in this because they split all the profits.
• 1:03:58
  If that's the case, then it seems to me that he's not paying these guys
• 1:04:02
  an hourly labor rate or anything.
• 1:04:06
  Hey, it's all based on what we make on the car.
• 1:04:09
  So it's like, you would think if I was in that position, I would have, want to have
• 1:04:14
  a big say in what cars we're doing, how we're doing it, because I want to be sure
• 1:04:17
  we're going to get, you know, You know, I don't want to bust my ass on something and
• 1:04:21
  make nothing or only make a couple grand.
• 1:04:23
  I kill myself for a month.
• 1:04:25
  Exactly.
• 1:04:25
  And that's part of the way this show is structured.
• 1:04:28
  Everybody else seems to have a day job.
• 1:04:31
  Like, let's take Tony, the master fabricator at Gotham.
• 1:04:34
  So, Tony.
• 1:04:36
  Has his own gig.
• 1:04:37
  Like I feel like car masters as a side hustle, they get together for your point
• 1:04:41
  for a couple of months or six months or whatever it is, shoot the show, get
• 1:04:44
  these cars done as fast as they can.
• 1:04:46
  And that was the other thing that Nick kept stressing.
• 1:04:48
  You got to get these high quality done as fast as possible.
• 1:04:51
  And I'm like, those two things don't go together.
• 1:04:53
  If you've ever spent any time with a rest.
• 1:04:55
  restoration shop, you know, doing these types of things.
• 1:04:58
  It takes forever to get these kinds of cars done to the level
• 1:05:01
  of like, not even SEMA quality, but even pebble beach quality.
• 1:05:05
  You don't do that in two weeks and then flip it for, you know, six figures.
• 1:05:08
  But the point is these guys seem to have, let's say regular jobs.
• 1:05:12
  They're taking time off to do this.
• 1:05:14
  So they're getting paid on commission, which is totally fine.
• 1:05:18
  But when it came down to it at the end of season five, my wife and I
• 1:05:21
  kind of looked at each other and said, we're still fans of the show.
• 1:05:23
  We will still be fans of the show.
• 1:05:25
  But I think what we really want at this point is a show with Tony, Caveman
• 1:05:30
  and Constance, just We're Those three.
• 1:05:33
  And then maybe those two other guys from Nick shop, the fabricators,
• 1:05:36
  cause they they're pretty mild mannered and doing their thing.
• 1:05:39
  And they're very good at what they do.
• 1:05:41
  Right.
• 1:05:41
  These other people, the front end, the front of house where I'm
• 1:05:45
  sort of over it at this point.
• 1:05:47
  But that's not to say I'm not going to watch season six when it comes out.
• 1:05:50
  Oh, well, no, I got it now.
• 1:05:52
  I mean, You know, it's like, I think, you know, they, them talk
• 1:05:55
  about getting into the, you know, restoration and stuff like that.
• 1:05:58
  It's like, you know, I think you have 2 choices in regards to if you're going to
• 1:06:03
  get into high end exotic collectible cars into, I guess you'd say foreign ones,
• 1:06:09
  you know, you could either go into your cars that are basically late 80s, 90s
• 1:06:13
  and up, but that basically more entails.
• 1:06:17
  You know, engine modifications, slight, you know, exterior mods to it.
• 1:06:22
  Nothing, you know, I mean, you could get a little extreme, but it has more to
• 1:06:25
  do with making them loud and fast twin turbo, dah, dah, dah, that kind of stuff.
• 1:06:30
  You see, you know, and go for it now.
• 1:06:32
  Then if you go prior to that, you're talking your, you know, fifties,
• 1:06:36
  sixties, early seventies stuff.
• 1:06:38
  You know, that that's going to say concourse driver, whatever,
• 1:06:41
  whatever level of person has got.
• 1:06:42
  But I mean, you're talking such a different set of skills
• 1:06:45
  between those 2 type of ventures.
• 1:06:48
  The only engine person that got his Constance and I, I mean, I don't, you
• 1:06:52
  know, her dad was a drag racer or whatnot.
• 1:06:54
  So she's working on, she probably got the knowledge, ability to slap turbos
• 1:06:57
  on and do all that kind of crap.
• 1:06:58
  But I mean, you don't know, but they definitely don't have the
• 1:07:02
  skillset to go into the early stuff.
• 1:07:05
  I mean, cause then you're talking English wheels, stuff like that crap, you know,
• 1:07:08
  I mean, but that that's an art and you know, so you definitely won't see that.
• 1:07:13
  So it's, it's really going to be curious to see what they do.
• 1:07:20
  You know, I think they only could, you know, and I say they got
• 1:07:24
  away with this one in season five painting the green and whatnot.
• 1:07:28
  But I think, you know, it would be a make or break in regards to if they,
• 1:07:33
  they acquired those 2 to 6, 12, You know, I think that'd be a make or
• 1:07:37
  break in regards to how they handle it.
• 1:07:39
  Because if they do something as gaudy and tacky as that with both of those,
• 1:07:44
  and then they sell them for some stupid number, you know, I think it's going to
• 1:07:48
  turn off a lot of people because they're gonna be like, okay, this is staged.
• 1:07:50
  A hundred, a hundred percent.
• 1:07:52
  And they're going to lose their audience and they're going to lose
• 1:07:54
  their credibility because the cars they've been doing up until this point.
• 1:07:58
  Cater to not just a certain demographic, but they cater
• 1:08:02
  to a type of collector, right?
• 1:08:03
  The people that are interested in that SEMA kind of car or that cars
• 1:08:07
  and coffee car, or, you know, some of the other ones that we talked
• 1:08:10
  about, even on what should I buy?
• 1:08:11
  So there's a buyer in their current market.
• 1:08:14
  And by them jumping out of that, and, you know, if we're going to do
• 1:08:18
  Ferraris and Jaguars and all this other custom stuff, now the show.
• 1:08:23
  What does it become?
• 1:08:24
  Does it become counting cars?
• 1:08:25
  Like I'm not trying to put a knock on Danny Coker, but you know, he's got his
• 1:08:28
  own stuff going on and he's been doing it for years and he'll mod anything.
• 1:08:32
  And he doesn't seem to really care.
• 1:08:34
  So is, and so we are wondering, is that the direction the show is taking?
• 1:08:37
  Is that the direction the shop should be taking?
• 1:08:39
  Like, and it's not questions that I need to answer or that maybe
• 1:08:42
  we will ever get the answer to.
• 1:08:45
  But it has lost its way.
• 1:08:48
  Right.
• 1:08:49
  And when jokingly we talked about in season.
• 1:08:53
  Three, four, when they built that, that shark of a Corvette, which
• 1:08:57
  I enjoyed the paint scheme on the show, jumped the shark at that point.
• 1:09:02
  If you go back and watch, you'll understand what I'm talking
• 1:09:04
  about or listen to my review.
• 1:09:06
  It makes sense, but it has turned a page.
• 1:09:09
  I'm willing to hang in there.
• 1:09:10
  I hope that Tony Constance and caveman get more airtime.
• 1:09:14
  Maybe they get their own spinoff.
• 1:09:15
  It goes back to kind of classic Gotham garage types up because the three of
• 1:09:19
  them are, they have great personalities.
• 1:09:21
  They have great chemistry on camera.
• 1:09:23
  They're, they're all smart and they get stuff done and they do good work.
• 1:09:27
  And they're the ones doing the majority of the work at the end of the day.
• 1:09:30
  So I want to know more about that.
• 1:09:32
  I want to see more about that.
• 1:09:33
  But what I think we need to wrap this episode up with William is as.
• 1:09:37
  You're an expert in this space.
• 1:09:40
  The moral to the story here is When you take all these layers off, is there
• 1:09:46
  a room in the Ferrari marketplace, pun intended, for custom Ferraris?
• 1:09:53
  Not this one specifically, but custom Ferraris in the collector space.
• 1:09:58
  The one moral is don't send your Ferrari to Gotham Garage.
• 1:10:01
  I, you know, again, you know, it's all personal preference, you know,
• 1:10:10
  and like I, I was saying just before is, you know, you got this.
• 1:10:14
  You know, I guess you would say demographic where, you know, at a certain
• 1:10:19
  point, and I guess it has to do with coming up, you know, playing for that
• 1:10:22
  kind of stuff and having that on there.
• 1:10:25
  Where these guys are just, you know, taking these cars, you know,
• 1:10:27
  they're, I'd say 40 and under, maybe even earlier, forties and down, you
• 1:10:31
  know, as twin to drivers like that.
• 1:10:33
  It's all about power and sound and the crackle, you know,
• 1:10:35
  backfire and all that kinda crap.
• 1:10:37
  I mean, a lot, some of those cars look good, you know, some of those cars are,
• 1:10:40
  are, you know, they're a bit, I mean, I'm 53, so I, I'm gonna go on inside.
• 1:10:45
  You know, it's, that would just draw me, you know, I, I'm a, I'm
• 1:10:48
  a person that says, look, hey, I don't mind a decent exhaust.
• 1:10:51
  So it sounds good.
• 1:10:52
  'cause you know, especially with the flat, flat plate crank V eight.
• 1:10:55
  You know, I mean, you know, uh, Fox or eight, whatever, you know, sounds
• 1:10:59
  phenomenal, you know, put it to be exhaust on it, you know, put something
• 1:11:04
  else on there just sounds good, but you don't get to really extreme with
• 1:11:07
  some of the stuff and twin turns.
• 1:11:08
  That's just not my cup of tea.
• 1:11:09
  I'm more, you know, I like to have more stock aesthetic look, but you know,
• 1:11:14
  you're definitely not going to do with anything early ain't going to happen.
• 1:11:17
  You know, I could, you know, it'll be interesting regards to say, you know, I
• 1:11:23
  could see it going from three sixties.
• 1:11:26
  You know, maybe a 328 308 still doing some really kind of weird stuff and kind
• 1:11:31
  of like, hey, what can we get away with?
• 1:11:32
  Because they're just an abundance.
• 1:11:33
  Kind of like that case swap 308 that we saw in the last couple of years.
• 1:11:37
  Exactly.
• 1:11:38
  You know, um.
• 1:11:39
  You know, I, and I seen like some guys, you know, doing their, you know, trying
• 1:11:42
  to, you know, do a carbon fiber buyout to kind of, you know, retro tribute to
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  a two, eight, eight, that kind of stuff.
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  And, um, yeah, I, I think there's a window there for that, but I mean, I
• 1:11:53
  think you have to, you can't just be, I want to say, I don't want to say subtle.
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  So, cause that would mean like, Oh, Hey, paint the thing green and
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  get these gaudy things on there.
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  You know, it's more along the lines is, and not going to a complete like
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  singer type level of a, of a build.
• 1:12:08
  You know, but almost to a point, you know, it's like, all right, you really need to
• 1:12:13
  improve on what came out of the factory to make it worth it, you know, so it's like,
• 1:12:19
  you know, brand new interior, but take it to the 10th level, you know, and, you
• 1:12:23
  know, carbon fiber, everything like that.
• 1:12:25
  It's like, I mean, if you're going to do it, you're going to have to take
• 1:12:27
  it to a level that's justifiable, especially for cost or price.
• 1:12:31
  You know, if you're going to do it, but not what they did, there's just no way,
• 1:12:35
  not, there's just no way, you know, um, you know, and I just don't see it, you
• 1:12:42
  know, it's, you know, um, like I said, you know, then, you know, then take a new
• 1:12:46
  like four or five, eight, you know, four days, that kind of stuff and doing it.
• 1:12:49
  I mean, you really don't see it all that much.
• 1:12:52
  Ferraris you see with the Lamborghinis and Porsches, yeah and Porsches and you
• 1:12:56
  see a lot of stuff But you really don't see that much and you know I don't know
• 1:12:59
  how much so much is just who the buyer is the demographic of people that buy
• 1:13:03
  them um I don't know if they're afraid to get cease and desist from Ferrari
• 1:13:07
  because Ferrari is Extremely particular about what you do with your car.
• 1:13:11
  I mean they they could give to you know, what's It's hey,
• 1:13:15
  I bought it with my money.
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  I own it.
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  They don't care.
• 1:13:17
  That's their intellectual property in their mind And they're going to dictate
• 1:13:20
  what you can and can't do and you get too nuts You're going to get a letter
• 1:13:23
  from you know, um, you know, so you don't really know too much um, you
• 1:13:29
  know, I know I'm going to reference these dde guys because you know, um,
• 1:13:33
  I don't the main guy and the other guy, you know, um, Dave and damon, you
• 1:13:39
  know, they're kind of leading the show.
• 1:13:42
  I mean, they're all right they're a little kind of honestly obnoxious, but Mike
• 1:13:45
  Essa, who they brought in, who's the fab guy, drifting guy, everything like that.
• 1:13:50
  I watch it for him because I like watching his mind work in regard to
• 1:13:54
  how he builds the cars and what he comes up with and you know, modding
• 1:13:56
  these cars and that because I mean, he knows his you know, and he really
• 1:14:01
  knows how to build these things, right?
• 1:14:03
  So, I really enjoy watching his aspect of it and take it.
• 1:14:06
  Now, you know, they did that 550.
• 1:14:08
  Now, you know, they're going to do up that 599 and what he's doing,
• 1:14:11
  what they're doing to it, you know, they're going to that race car look.
• 1:14:15
  You know, obviously and it's a drifting car, but you know,
• 1:14:17
  it's it's going more race cars.
• 1:14:19
  Look, it's not this gaudy You know all these appendages anything each each
• 1:14:24
  thing serves a purpose on the car.
• 1:14:27
  That's the one key thing It's not just for aesthetics, you
• 1:14:30
  know, it's not to be obnoxious.
• 1:14:31
  It's serving a purpose for airflow air for whatever You know downforce
• 1:14:35
  and what have you so it's all serving a purpose now, you know They're doing
• 1:14:39
  or I should say he's doing because he's the one doing it all You know, a
• 1:14:43
  great job on what they're doing there.
• 1:14:45
  But again, I think that's the correct way to do it.
• 1:14:47
  And I think you can see that where people say, well, that's
• 1:14:50
  not something obnoxious and crazy.
• 1:14:52
  It's like taking it race car ish for the street.
• 1:14:56
  You know, that one's going to be a complete drift car, but you know, I
• 1:14:59
  think it's going to turn out great.
• 1:15:01
  Like I know the one I just watched, like he just, he wants
• 1:15:04
  to fabricate up in the hood, just putting in the vents in the hood.
• 1:15:06
  Man, it changed, you want to talk a thousand percent better look to the
• 1:15:10
  car with the vents on it, it looked phenomenal, you know, and just, that was
• 1:15:13
  a simple thing, they show them cutting out and doing everything like that, and
• 1:15:16
  again, it was cool to see it because, you know, they're cutting into a, you
• 1:15:20
  know, 170, 000 car, 106, 000 car, you know, and just having to add what, like
• 1:15:25
  it's nothing, you know, it's just, it's neat to watch, you know, and that was
• 1:15:28
  what they did at six B conversion on, you know, so that's the other thing.
• 1:15:32
  So it's, um.
• 1:15:34
  You know, I think it's going to go a certain route, but it's not
• 1:15:37
  going to be something obnoxious.
• 1:15:38
  I just don't, I don't see it.
• 1:15:40
  I don't see people want, I don't see a market for it.
• 1:15:42
  I don't see, I think people buy it.
• 1:15:44
  It's just, it's just a different type of buyer that buys Ferraris.
• 1:15:47
  Well, I think that kind of wraps up our rant on season five of car
• 1:15:52
  masters, but you know, William, I got to thank you for inviting me to come
• 1:15:56
  on the Ferrari marketplace podcast.
• 1:15:58
  I'm looking forward to being back on here, talking about other things and the
• 1:16:02
  new direction that the show has taken and you becoming part of the family
• 1:16:05
  here at the motoring podcast network.
• 1:16:06
  So this has been good.
• 1:16:07
  I hope the audience enjoyed it.
• 1:16:09
  Yeah, guys.
• 1:16:09
  Hey, I appreciate you listening.
• 1:16:11
  And yes, hey, definitely take a listen to the other, uh, uh, uh,
• 1:16:14
  podcast that we got here on MPN.
• 1:16:16
  Uh, there's some great stuff on there.
• 1:16:18
  Definitely.
• 1:16:18
  Let's, you know, give those guys a listen.
• 1:16:20
  Uh, next episode.
• 1:16:22
  We got crew chief.
• 1:16:23
  Eric will be on that one as well because we're doing a
• 1:16:26
  thing on the million million.
• 1:16:27
  We're going to have also Jonathan Summers on here.
• 1:16:29
  Who's a great historian.
• 1:16:31
  Uh, very, very knowledgeable gentlemen on it.
• 1:16:33
  All things meal Amelia and a lot of other races and target floor and
• 1:16:36
  that stuff But we're going to focus on the meal meal because of the
• 1:16:39
  ferrari movie that came out which if you haven't seen it yet Go see it.
• 1:16:43
  It's really really good.
• 1:16:44
  But remember it's entertainment.
• 1:16:46
  It's not a documentary I feel like there's another episode in there too.
• 1:16:49
  William.
• 1:16:49
  You got to do a review There will be another one in there as well with that
• 1:16:52
  So we got lots of stuff to discuss and chew on so but again, I appreciate
• 1:16:57
  everybody listening And you know take a listen to the other Podcast on the
• 1:17:00
  network and hey, we'll be back for more.
• 1:17:03
  And we have this set up now.
• 1:17:04
  We should have a lot more of these rolling on a more continuous basis.
• 1:17:07
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• 1:17:08
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• 1:17:08
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