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PODCAST: Episode 916 - Randy Bradbury and Cameron Webb (84 Days, Pennywise) Talk Their Debut Album and Punk Rock's Legacy · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  Cameron will tell me the truth. If these are not good, then he
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  will let me know. So I sent them all to Cameron
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  and he got back to me and said he thought they were great and
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  we should do an album. So that's that's the whole
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  genesis of everything. Well, to me, the genesis is
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  this, this, this whole thing was is Randy's solo record, 100%
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  solo, solo, solo, solo. And all of a sudden we finished
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  this darn thing. And then Randy's like, well,
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  looks like you're playing bass in this band.
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  I'm like, what? No, I'm not playing bass in this
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  band. He's like, yeah, you are.
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  I'm like, all right, let's do it.
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  And it's just slowly, like grown to like become more of a band
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  and less this solo project. And it's like whenever there's a
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  decision to make, Randy goes, hey, camera, what do you think?
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  And I'll be like, well, I think you should do this, this and
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  this and this. And Randy goes, that sounds good
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  to me. Let's go.
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  So it's become a big collaboration with us, which is
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  fun. What's up
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  everybodyitskefi@ghostcultmag.com I am super stoked today be
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  joined by Randy and Cameron of 84 Days.
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  You know their work from other bands, but how are you guys
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  doing today? We're doing awesome.
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  Great to be here. Yeah.
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  Thank you for having us. It's always like Bull Durham,
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  right? New clue.
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  She has to get the like the right answers right for the
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  press because starts out mad awkward and then after like
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  years of doing a million of these.
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  That's so funny because we talk about that like Cameron would be
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  like, what are you trying to say there?
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  I'm like, it's like trying to find your way home through a
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  field, you know, for the first time, you, you, you finally
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  navigate it. And because there's so many
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  different things that I want to say, like when we talk about
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  stuff, it's like, but what's really important and what do
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  people, what are people interested in so.
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  I always talk about how like, if you were to give me a script or
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  something to read, I would be like Ron Burgundy.
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  I'll read whatever you put on that damn piece of paper and I
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  don't even know what I'm saying. So I'm dangerous with that.
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  Same. With us, man, same with us.
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  That's I, I have sort of a script.
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  I write questions and I have notes and I listen to music and
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  then I do these things and I don't know if it goes out the
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  window or not, but I'm happy to be here with y'all today.
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  So this is a super interesting group, right?
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  You know, Randy, you're hella busy.
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  Cameron, you're hella busy. How do we get this 84 days ban
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  Randy? OK, Well, I had just, I had
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  written a bunch of songs. I, I got back to writing, I took
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  a few years off and I tried to just write some songs for myself
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  and I didn't, I didn't really, I wasn't writing for Pennywise and
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  wasn't writing for anything. I just wanted to get in the
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  studio and have some fun and just write things that I thought
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  were good. But also I tried to like, you
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  know, tap into some type of, you know, you hear about artists.
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  Like I saw this interview with Bob Dylan where he was like, he
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  didn't know how he he wrote some of his best songs.
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  And I was like, oh, I can relate to that because there's some
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  songs that I've done that I feel like were the best I did.
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  And I don't really know how I wrote them.
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  They just kind of came to me. So I got in the studio, I tried
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  to recreate that and I came up over like a year and a half
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  period of time or whatever. I came up with like 20 songs and
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  I didn't really plan on ever letting anyone hear them.
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  But then I was kind of thinking I, I liked, I thought they were
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  good. So, but I didn't know if it was
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  just me. So I'm like, Cameron will tell
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  me the truth. If these are not good, then he
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  will let me know. So I sent them all to Cameron
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  and he got back to me and said he thought they were great and
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  we should do an album. So that's that's the whole
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  genesis of everything. Well, to me, the genesis is
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  this, this, this, this whole one thing was is Randy's solo
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  record. 100% solo, solo, solo, solo.
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  And all of a sudden we finished this darn thing.
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  And then Randy's like, well, looks like you're playing bass
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  in this band. I'm like, what?
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  No, I'm not playing bass in this band.
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  He's like, yeah, you are. I'm like, all right, let's do
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  it. And it's just slowly, like grown
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  to like become more of a band and less this solo project.
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  And it's like whenever there's a decision to make, Randy goes,
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  hey, Cameron, what do you think? And I'm be like, well, I think
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  you should do this, this and this and this.
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  And Randy goes, that sounds good to me.
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  Let's go. So it's become a big
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  collaboration with us. This is fun.
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  That's so. Awesome.
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  I feel like if Randy told me I'm playing bass on this next thing
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  I'd be do it. I'll do it.
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  I haven't. I haven't picked up the bass in
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  a minute, but I would do it if Randy said so because, you know,
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  I just feel like that compelling, my dude.
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  And then you got Adrian Young to come in and and do some drums.
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  That's pretty. Cool.
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  So Adrian is a friend of Randy. He's a friend of mine.
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  And Randy just called him up and said, hey, would you be
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  interested in playing on this record?
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  He says, yeah, I don't. I don't need to be in another
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  band, but I'd love to play on your album.
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  Send him over. So he sent songs over, he
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  learned, we rehearsed a little bit and he just he killed it and
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  he came in the studio and we like beat him up.
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  Hey, try this, try that, be free, do this and that.
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  So we like did a very like, we hope he had the experience that
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  we had him. He was him stoked when he walked
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  out the door and he's just a he's a great dude overall.
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  Yeah, he really played the he played the songs like the way
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  that I would hope that I didn't even know because he added so
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  many cool little things and him and Cameron really worked and
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  fleshed things out and it I'm just super happy with how how it
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  came out and how well he did. These original demos, Randy was
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  playing everything. He was playing drums, bass,
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  guitar, singing, doing absolutely everything.
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  So to me it was like just trying to interpret what Randy did, but
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  but taking a step a notch up with like a a more serious
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  drummer basically. Not that Randy's not a great
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  drummer. Right on.
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  I love that. And yeah, you know, sometimes
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  the demo work is so good that, you know, I still think pre
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  production is important, but you know, the demo work is so good.
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  It's just like, hey, we can't improve on this.
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  Sometimes you get there, the first take is sometimes the
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  best. We had that three strike rule in
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  my day where it was like, if you can't get it in three takes, you
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  can't get it right now, come back later, come back later.
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  Yeah, so killer and it's such a killer record, man.
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  I I feel like I've been a little I've I've tried to push this
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  narrative a little bit that I want to see more rebellion and
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  discourse and all the D words dissent from my music right now.
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  We're in such a fuck time politically doesn't matter about
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  party. We're just in a in one of the
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  most perilous times for just a human life, let alone America.
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  So I love, don't trust the government man.
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  I love the general kick ass vibe of this record.
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  Thank you. Yeah, I, I feel like, you know,
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  I was thinking about it and I, I love, I'm a sucker for a
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  rebellion or revolution or something.
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  I want to, I always want to feel like, or trying to make things
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  better and. And you look around and it's
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  like, well, it's easy to see how things aren't perfect.
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  And so I even feel like doing this just kind of mid tempo
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  rock. Like I look at that as as a
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  rebellion again, you know, it's like, what am I expected to do?
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  Well, I'm not doing that. And and, and I and I and I write
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  songs like that all the time. And it feels just kind of, you
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  know, not to keep repeating that, but it's, it feels like a
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  rebellion or something like that.
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  And, and also, yeah, like you said, like as far as don't trust
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  the government, I feel like we're just caught in this, this
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  continual trap, this cycle of like, Oh well, you know, we
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  don't like what's happening right now, but these next guys
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  will save us. And then they get in and, and
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  everyone's hopeful and then they don't, they don't save you.
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  It's still the same games running around and it's and it's
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  people with money and power making more money and power, you
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  know, and then telling more lies.
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  So yeah, it's basically the sentiment of a lot of it, but.
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  Right on Speak that truth. We need that.
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  We need that. We need to educate ourselves and
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  everybody else. A lot of change begins at the
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  local level with your community. Start there and we'll figure out
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  the rest. But take care.
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  You know, I tell all my friends, like, just make sure you're OK.
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  Nobody is OK, but make sure you're OK.
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  And then we'll get through this. Yeah.
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  But yeah, what a good time for this kick ass record, was it?
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  You know, obviously you wrote this batch of songs, which
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  sounds very prolific from that process standpoint.
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  But did you get to a point where you were like, OK, these don't,
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  you know, like this is for me and none of these I would hold
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  back for Pennywise to bring to the band.
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  Or is just, you know, just not a thing for you.
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  Like when I write, when you got into this writing fit for
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  yourself and it was all for you? Or did you like?
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  OK, these sound like something. Different when he brought it to
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  me. And the Cameron, Yeah.
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  Yeah, and I was just like, OK, if this is a Pennywise song, I
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  don't want to touch it. Throw it out, throw it out,
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  throw it out. What are you talking about,
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  Cameron? They're good.
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  I'm like, I don't care if they're good.
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  Save them for your your band, your full time band that you
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  make a living on, that your career is on.
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  Like let's do stuff that's Randy, stuff that that they
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  wouldn't care about and they wouldn't want it for their band.
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  So I said, Randy, what what else do you have?
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  And he just kept sending it to me and we peel a couple away and
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  then say, OK, you have like 11 great song to you.
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  Let's just record these. Let's find someone to help us.
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  And then Randy reaches out to Jeff at Helix Record, Double
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  Helix. And Jeff's and Jeff and Emily
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  are awesome. They're like, we love this, we
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  want to release this. We want to give you money to
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  make a record. And we're like, let's do it now.
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  They want to promote it, they want to market it.
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  They want to make shirts, they want to do all this stuff.
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  And you're like, wait a second, is this for real?
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  And they're the nicest people in the world as well.
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  So we've had a great experience having someone because guess
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  what, we're like making the music, we're creating the music,
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  we're recording the music, but we're not good at marketing it
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  and promoting it and and getting on podcasts and stuff like that.
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  That's why these Double Helix has been so important to us.
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  Rad I'm such a big fan of that label.
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  People who watch their channel know we've interviewed several
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  of the artists over the times, including the East Bay Punk band
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  testing the details. Huge fan from when they first
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  started. Great label to be on that seemed
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  very artist forward, which is so rare these days.
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  And it is it you know, you guys know how to make a record and
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  you've had success in the business and you know what it
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  takes, which is helpful. A lot of people don't when
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  they're starting out. And the other problem is the the
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  old ways don't really the old music industry is kind of dead.
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  The music industry is not dead. It's still the music business,
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  but it's it's not what it was right?
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  It's a different animal. So if you're going to do
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  something, you want to take the range yourself and trust who
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  your partners are more than ever, right?
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  Yeah. And and that's the thing about
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  Double Helix was that we had talked and we were trying to
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  figure out how we were going to structure everything.
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  And I just, you know, we were talking about maybe having the
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  ability to make records later and I told them, I said, I have
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  no interest in making records. I have a passion for making
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  music. They have a, the, the thing
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  that's great about them is they have a passion for doing records
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  and for having, for having a label, for running a label.
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  And it's like they really love doing it.
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  So the, the match is so, so cool and so perfect.
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  And I feel so lucky to be involved with them because
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  they're just above and beyond and you know, and all this stuff
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  is happening just being involved with Cameron and being involved
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  with with Adrian. And now Adrian had was never
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  going to play live. But but but now we have Ericsson
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  and from no no effects. And so all these all these
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  serendipitous things, it's kind of seems like a big thing that's
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  or big theme that's happened around this whole thing is like
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  things have coincidentally come together.
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  So I try to go with that and and so, yeah, so I just feel like it
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  was meant to be that we're at double Helix and and nothing,
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  you know, knock on wood, nothing has proved that to be wrong, you
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  know? Killer.
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  It sounds like it's kind of more like a family thing and friends
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  thing, which is the best part. Cameron, I know that you are a
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  very collaborative person for the studio for albums.
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  And you know, I know you take a little bit of ownership on
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  things you work on, but did it feel like a little more of a
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  stake in this project because you've been working so closely
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  with Randy? I mean, I put so much ownership
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  into every project to do everything, whether there's
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  money or no money. I put my all my efforts in and I
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  want them all to be successful. And like, this is, I mean,
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  here's the thing, Randy came to me and I said, well, guess what?
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  How are we going to practice this without a bass player?
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  So I learned every single song. And I said, Randy, let's let's
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  play this as a team, not just you and Adrian.
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  And Randy was super excited and was like, yeah, let's go to my
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  place, let's rehearse. So yes, like from the beginning
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  I was like, I want to be involved and I want to make this
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  thing as great as possible. And then just throughout the
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  whole process, like we all have a lot at stake here.
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  And let's just let's just keep it going.
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  And then Randy says, hey, you're in the band.
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  I'm like, all right, let's do it.
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  And it's just, it just keeps growing and growing and, and,
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  and the relationships and friendships like we're we're
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  doing positive. Randy is a positive person.
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  I'm positive. And then Smelly comes in and and
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  he's like, yeah, this sounds like fun.
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  Let's do this too. And so you just, you just throw
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  it all out there. You just got to try and you
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  never know what's going to happen.
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  It kind of just made sense that when first of all, it, it didn't
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  ever feel right that I was going to be a solo artist like Randy
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  Bradbury. And also I found that I really
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  need someone that I trust their opinion to be able to throw my
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  ideas against because that's why I was sitting all the on all
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  these songs. I'm like, I don't know if
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  they're good or if they're not so.
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  So Cameron is really good for that for, for positive feedback
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  or constructive criticism and things like that.
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  So, and he can play bass. He's, he's good and he's, and
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  he's quick, quick learn or like, you know, he caught up really
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  quick and he sounds great. So I knew that was going to work
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  out. And so it just seemed like when,
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  when you combine everyone together and you take everyone's
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  special talents and all that stuff, now you have something
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  that's just, it's, it's not just 1 + 1 = 2.
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  It's like 1 + 1 equals, you know, 25.
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  And then you throw Eric in there and it's so it's just better
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  having be in a collaboration and having it be a band and it.
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  It's fun too with Randy, because Randy's now playing guitar and
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  you'd be like, oh man, Randy's playing guitar.
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  It's like, no, Randy's been playing guitar for years.
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  He just wasn't playing it on stage.
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  And so when we go to rehearsal, he knows all his parts.
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  He's got him down. Like it's just I, I often think
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  like, wait, is he going to screw up this part?
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  It's like, Nope, he knows what song we're on and he just goes
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  for it. I'm like, that's good.
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  Every bass player's secret. Yeah, every bass player secretly
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  plays guitar. Nobody knows that's our secret.
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  Like that's that's the Superman. We had the S under our under our
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  our shirt, our treasure. Is there a significance, Randy?
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  About 84 days. The name because I thought it
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  was so interesting and you know, kind of out-of-the-box a little
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  well it. Actually it, it stemmed from
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  like an inside joke from way back in high school that, that
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  just always stuck around. But it seemed relevant now
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  because I, the book 1984 really made an impression on me when,
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  when I read it when I was younger and I, and I look back
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  and I'm like, I, I never looked at the world the same after I
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  read that book. So a lot of times things are
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  framed in that, that kind of Orwellian dystopian kind of
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  framework. But it's, it's easy and then it
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  makes it easy to, to see what's going on.
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  So it just kind of made sense, like some of the themes of the
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  songs fit into that. And so when we talked about
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  names, that just was like, it just seemed like would work.
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  And you know, what's in a name anyways?
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  It's I think about names forever.
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  It's hard to to know to take a name without the band and go,
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  oh, that's a good name. Like what makes Aerosmith a good
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  name? What makes The Who a good name?
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  Led Zeppelin, you know, So I mean, I think Metallica sounds
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  cool. I said that to my friend the
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  other day and he goes, I used to hate that, the name of that
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  band. So, you know, I really think.
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  I think that time makes a name, good or bad, and the music that
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  backs it, and that's what it is. Like, some of these names are
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  silly if you really break them down.
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  But like the Red Hot Chili Peppers, man, they're a great
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  band. Like, what?
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  Wait, if you just brought that to someone, like, hey, that's
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  her name. It'll be like, what?
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  What's going on here? Like just time.
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  Cameron would want to sort it. It's shortening.
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  If I brought in the Red Hot Chili Peppers, he'd say let's
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  just be called the Red Hots. I would.
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  Or the OR. Now we just shorten everything.
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  Chili Peppers. It's just the Chili Peppers.
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  All the chilies. Everybody knows if it's the
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  chilies. You know who it is.
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  It's that exactly. A restaurant with decent
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  mozzarella sticks. Oh, yeah.
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  You know. And super nachos, those are good
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  too. That's about what they've got
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  going for them. I'm so, I'm so cool.
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  So glad to hear that. Skinnies involved too.
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  We need, you know, anybody that's in a band that's hanging
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  it up. We need to find jobs, like a job
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  market pool for everybody that's now, you know, chilling at home
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  or working on other stuff and not out on the road.
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  So that's super fun. That's so fun.
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  Cameron, when's the last time you played on stage, if ever?
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  Come on, that's not fair. That's not fair.
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  I know last time I played was on stage was with Urethane, a band
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  that I work with, with Steve Cavallaro.
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  And we did this Vans event a year ago and they're like, hey,
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  do you guys, do you know anything?
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  Anything by Dorama Rama? I'm like, yeah, I'll learn it
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  right now. And I went on stage and The
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  funny thing is the promoter of the whole event looked on stage.
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  He goes, what's Cameron do? They're supposed to be running
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  sound. And he goes, oh wow, look at him
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  and he's playing the bass behind his back.
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  And then he came up after me after he goes Cameron, I didn't
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  know you could play bass. This is such an amazing thing.
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  So like, you know what, I've always been involved.
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  I've always been taking instruments from people.
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  I've always, I mean, I grew up all through high school and
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  college and like just playing in bands, playing in shows and like
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  I've been involved so much. I've been on stage 5000 times.
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  Like I get it and, and I see other people play and I go,
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  listen, my standards are really, really high.
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  So I want to play great. I want to do great.
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  So I'm, I rehearse, I, I practice and it's just like, it
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  doesn't just like, hey, I pick up this thing and we're good.
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  It's like, no, it just takes time and lots of effort.
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  And luckily, Randy's patient and Smelly's patient and we just, we
• 17:18
  work together as a team to become this like ball of energy.
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  But Cameron also, he played some, he played on the song
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  Don't Trust the Government on the record.
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  Yeah, base on that. And then also there was a few
• 17:30
  parts on like never find the righteous.
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  He had a the way I was doing something.
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  He was like, do it like this, it'll sound cooler.
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  And I'm like, I don't, I can't do it the way you're doing it.
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  So he, he, he did some parts and we're passing the guitar back
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  and forth and we're, you know, doing things so, so that he, he
• 17:47
  can play definitely so. It's fun.
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  We have this process where like, if he's playing something and
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  I've got the idea, I'll be like, give me the guitar, bass.
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  And I would literally take it. And then Andy would turn around
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  behind me and go over here to the computer and say, OK, I'm
• 18:00
  going to hit record. I'm like, wait, no, no, I'm just
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  teaching you the part. You'd be like, too bad.
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  Now we're rolling. And that's how.
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  We do it. And it was OK to hand it over.
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  Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter. We're getting, we're getting,
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  it's a collaboration, it's a project.
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  We're getting that like the overall vision out.
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  But I would say when he would do that, that he's steamrolling
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  because he goes into steamroller mode where it's like you better
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  come up, you better come up with something now or else I will.
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  Because he got a million ideas and he's, you know, constantly
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  he's a pro. So you you really have to be on
• 18:31
  your toes when you're working with Cameron, but in a good way.
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  Yeah, yeah, right on. He he, he went into Ken mode and
• 18:36
  he hooked you. That's how he hooked you.
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  He's like, let's trade this, this, let's trade back and
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  forth. And that's how he got.
• 18:42
  Right. He sucked in.
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  It was his his master plan. Into the vortex Let's talk for a
• 18:49
  quick second about the Mockingbird Brains video.
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  I got like definite Vince Gilligan Breaking Bad vibes.
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  I It's the desert. I love that vibe but also like
• 18:57
  what a killer song to kick off the record and also for a real
• 19:01
  one of the better songs for a video I think you got here.
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  I think that that video was fun because like I've said before,
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  it's like I didn't want a performance video.
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  I think those are kind of boring.
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  And it's like, so let's tell a story, let's have some sort of
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  storyline and you don't have to be obvious and point everything
• 19:16
  directly. But like what if it's kind of
• 19:18
  like a trailer of something to come?
• 19:20
  Like what if there's more videos that follow this storyline or
• 19:23
  maybe it becomes a wider thing. So like I bringing back
• 19:26
  references, that's insane. Like that's one of the greatest
• 19:29
  shows ever. So it's like, but but there's
• 19:31
  these characters that we built and the girl in the cage and
• 19:34
  like there's like interesting things about it that I think
• 19:37
  could be used like later on. So I think the ultimate goal is
• 19:39
  like, hey, here's this like storyline or this thing and and
• 19:43
  you can interpret how you feel, but then maybe we elaborate
• 19:46
  along. Maybe there's another video that
• 19:47
  takes it somewhere else, or you never know what's going to
• 19:50
  happen. Right on.
• 19:51
  I love that so much. I know we have these big shows
• 19:53
  at the end of the year. Is this a band that can never do
• 19:56
  a tour or you think you could jump on with a bigger band and
• 19:58
  do a run of dates? Or do you think this is just
• 20:01
  going to be little special 1 offs and and weekends?
• 20:03
  Well, I think we'd like to do as much as we can around the
• 20:07
  commitments that we already have.
• 20:09
  And we, we, we seem to have like if we, if we schedule things
• 20:12
  right, there's plenty of time to do plenty of stuff.
• 20:15
  So I don't think that I want to put any limitations on anything.
• 20:19
  I'm down for whatever makes sense and sounds sounds like a a
• 20:25
  good thing to do. And it was great because like, I
• 20:27
  mean, we're calling her our first show, but we were hanging
• 20:30
  out with the Vandals and they're like, why don't you open up
• 20:32
  these Christmas shows? And we're like, OK, let's do it.
• 20:35
  So it was like it basically launched us in the all right,
• 20:37
  let's be ready for shows. And when more opportunities
• 20:41
  present themselves, we're going to grab those things.
• 20:43
  And yeah, we're busy, but you know what I mean?
• 20:45
  We love it. This is fun.
• 20:46
  We're having a good time. And we're lucky that the Vandals
• 20:50
  have had these relationships with Randy forever, more so than
• 20:53
  me. But then I've been watching this
• 20:55
  band forever as well, and I support support them and they
• 20:58
  support us. And it's just, it's a cool
• 20:59
  community of people. So we're just, if we get good
• 21:03
  opportunities, we're going to take them.
• 21:04
  We'll run with it. I love that so much.
• 21:06
  What? Let's just reflect for a second
• 21:08
  on what a great year this has been for punk rock.
• 21:10
  We have like, new bands carrying that torch forward.
• 21:13
  Vandals are still playing shows. You know we had Keith's 70th
• 21:17
  birthday, right? Like, circle jokes are still
• 21:19
  around Penny wise, you know, all the punk in the parks.
• 21:22
  Like such a good year for punk rock and I and I feel like this
• 21:26
  is such a good record and a good band to come along at this time.
• 21:29
  Like just one more thing. We need one more smoke.
• 21:32
  We need, you know, holding the fence up.
• 21:33
  Yeah, thank you very much. It does feel good.
• 21:36
  You know, I've always, I never saw it lasting this long, but
• 21:41
  there's so much genuine, you know, genuineness in people.
• 21:46
  People most, you know, the whole scene is just filled with people
• 21:50
  that want to just be part of it and want to play music and want
• 21:53
  to create. And so there's a lot of, you
• 21:56
  know, just good positive energy. And I think, you know, that's
• 21:59
  why people are attracted to him. And and so that's why it's had
• 22:04
  such longevity and it's still. I think what's amazing too is
• 22:07
  you bring up the Warp Tour, Punk in the Park Punk and Drub Lick
• 22:10
  and they're punk oriented festivals that have helped
• 22:14
  support bands. So bands aren't having to play a
• 22:16
  show for 500 people. They play it for 10,000 people
• 22:19
  because we've piled in all these punk bands together and said,
• 22:21
  Hey, here's this tour of, of all these rad bands.
• 22:24
  And I mean, starting with the Warp tour, it's like they've,
• 22:27
  they've helped punk rock so much.
• 22:30
  And it's like we appreciate those, those, those festivals
• 22:32
  and those concerts. And it's like for them to, to
• 22:34
  pay their artists and also just have an Ave. for people that
• 22:37
  aren't just small clubs. We're we're lucky to have that.
• 22:41
  You're on. You're on mute.
• 22:42
  I muted myself because I don't know what I'm doing.
• 22:45
  Only only a sip of coffee today and I don't know what I'm doing.
• 22:49
  I was going to say just an extra plug for brouhaha.
• 22:52
  We're doing Punk Christmas in Arizona also, so with MXPX also
• 22:56
  still around and always killer. So what a fun time.
• 22:59
  I'd love to catch up with both you guys down the road, Randy,
• 23:02
  to talk about anything. Cameron, of course, I'd love to
• 23:04
  pick your brain about production and stuff like that down the
• 23:07
  road and records you worked on. But I always like to end these
• 23:09
  with a wild card question. So the wild card question I have
• 23:12
  for you, which is a unique one in this case, which is what is
• 23:14
  the favorite thing record or anything you've ever worked on?
• 23:19
  I'll start, Randy. Oh well, I mean, I would have to
• 23:21
  say that that the Pennywise Full Circle album that was we were
• 23:26
  firing on all cylinders. We there was a lot of emotion
• 23:31
  happening. We were we were at a peak for
• 23:34
  sure, and and a physical peak like a playability and and just
• 23:38
  man that that whole album came together and just, you know,
• 23:43
  it's just on fire. So, so that, that's probably
• 23:46
  would that be it full circle. Right on.
• 23:49
  What about you? I mean, I've, I've been involved
• 23:51
  in a lot of cool records. I love the Social Distortion
• 23:54
  record. I got the Purdue.
• 23:56
  Am I muted? Am I good?
• 23:57
  OK. Social Distortion, Sex Love and
• 23:59
  Rock'n'roll was an amazing record to do with Mike Ness.
• 24:02
  But all the Motörhead records I did, we're all very special.
• 24:05
  And I was lucky to be a part of something and I was lucky for
• 24:08
  them to listen to me like Randy does.
• 24:09
  I would have Lemmy doing exactly what I do with Lemmy.
• 24:12
  Like we'd known each other forever.
• 24:13
  So like those kind of opportunities are a pretty rare
• 24:17
  and they're they're amazing. And I always worked hard just
• 24:19
  like Randy. I'm not scared of Randy.
• 24:21
  He's not scared of me and that's how you have to treat every
• 24:23
  artist you work with. Right on Mikey had great things
• 24:26
  to say about you when I interviewed him and I brought up
• 24:28
  the cut the relationship there. So yeah, man, like we're losing
• 24:32
  some of our heroes. But I'm super glad to talk to
• 24:34
  the two of you today and thank you so much for this 84 days
• 24:37
  record coming out on double Helix record sometime.
• 24:41
  This interview will run sometime after, but thanks so much for
• 24:43
  hanging out with me today. It was.
• 24:44
  Thank you so much, Keith. It was awesome.
• 24:45
  Great. Thank you very much.
• 24:46
  Meet you, we'll see you again.