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D4VD GOES RADIO SILENT AS CELESTE MURDER INVESTIGATION INTENSIFIES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: D four VD aka David Burt goes radio silent as
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Speaker 2: the Celest murder investigation boils over. This as a Celeste
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Speaker 2: body double rocks the investigation.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: There is a dead body in there, one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty feet away from his house. Her body was an
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Speaker 2: advanced state of decomposure.
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Speaker 1: It's not just a car.
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Speaker 2: This is a car containing his girlfriends allegedly dead dismembered body.
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Speaker 2: As we go to air tonight, David Burke aka the
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Speaker 2: artist known as David but spelled D four VD okay,
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Speaker 2: whatever remains radio silent as the murder investigation into the
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Speaker 2: little teen girl found in his Tesla trunk boils over.
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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we are learning tonight. But first, a new theory
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Speaker 2: rocking online salute and beyond.
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Speaker 1: The theory that there is a.
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Speaker 2: Body double being is let me explain the theory.
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Speaker 1: Melissa McCarty joining us.
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Speaker 2: Investigative reporter, host of Killer Jeans and author of a book,
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Speaker 2: The Making of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, The working theory
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Speaker 2: is that don't pooh pooh it Melissa McCarty joining us.
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Speaker 2: What is the body double theory? What's the story? Melissa Nancy?
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Speaker 2: Definitely plausible.
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Speaker 3: I've seen similar elaborate cover ups in other cases. Now
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Speaker 3: the sleuthing is they are pretty much stripping everything he's
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Speaker 3: ever done online.
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Speaker 4: And one of the.
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Speaker 3: Things, not only the two Celeste theory, but is he
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Speaker 3: using a body double? Are there images of her surfer
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Speaker 3: seen online to make it seem as though she was
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Speaker 3: alive and messing up the timeline? You know, these are
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Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, but they are plausible at the same time.
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Speaker 3: So it's something that the LAPD is going to have
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Speaker 3: to continue to, you know, investigate, but it's confusing for
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Speaker 3: the mass to follow with all the new tidbits coming
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Speaker 3: about from the sleuthing.
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Speaker 2: By joining me now is Steve Fisher, missing person's private investigator,
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Speaker 2: search and riscue specialist and owner of Search Investigations, Steve,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us Number one. A lot
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Speaker 2: happening in the case the case boiling over. I wonder
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Speaker 2: why D four v D aka David Anthony Burke has
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Speaker 2: remained totally silent. He's on social don't worry about that.
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Speaker 2: He's busy deleting negative comments. So I know he's alive
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Speaker 2: and well, but he's saying nothing about the disappearance and
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Speaker 2: death of this little girl, Celeste.
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Speaker 1: Found in his trunk.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what his father, the lawyer, has to do
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Speaker 2: with that, if anything, his decision to remain silent as
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Speaker 2: it relates to Celeste. But this new theory, it has
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Speaker 2: uh spreading like wildfire, that there is a body double Celeste.
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Speaker 2: These many of these are posted by him. These are
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Speaker 2: not the same girl, it's not her, but yet it's
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Speaker 2: posted all over his internet social postings. She has been
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Speaker 2: spotted at various functions. What do you make of it?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 6: Do they look remarkable?
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Speaker 2: You like?
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Speaker 7: And like you said, she has shown up, but you
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Speaker 7: know there's been backstage concert photos of her, and you know,
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Speaker 7: you just use being tagged as a Celeste. And I
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Speaker 7: believe that girl's twenty two years old. So whether it's
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Speaker 7: deliberate or not, I can't say, but it's definitely uh,
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Speaker 7: you know interesting that.
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Speaker 2: Place, Okay, Stave Fisher, I don't rely on crystal balls
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Speaker 2: to prove a case. I don't expect you to guess
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Speaker 2: or surmise read the tea leaves. What I'm saying, point blank,
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Speaker 2: is it's been done before, and before we discount anything,
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Speaker 2: it needs to be proven or disproven. The theory is
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Speaker 2: that knowing Celeste is God. She's dead and his tesla
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Speaker 2: she's not reported missing, the car is not reported stolen
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Speaker 2: or missing. Why and then a Celeste body double lookalike
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Speaker 2: starts appearing on his feed, on his social and even
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Speaker 2: at events. It's not Celeste, but it looks like Celeste
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Speaker 2: during this critical time period. It's not a leap of
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Speaker 2: faith to surmise it is intentional. Can you Can you
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Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: No, I agree with you, Although I will say that
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Speaker 7: that girl did show up in some es, even you know,
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Speaker 7: back in twenty twenty four, but they were a lot
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Speaker 7: more prominent in twenty twenty five. And so yeah, I
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Speaker 7: think that this could be a reason to explain, you know,
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Speaker 7: or for people not to be looking for the other
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Speaker 7: you know, ce last but they look remarkably alike.
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Speaker 1: Is that what's happening here? We don't know?
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Speaker 2: And recall, David Anthony Burke aka David aka D four
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Speaker 2: VD is presumed innocent under the law.
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Speaker 1: He will be innocent.
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Speaker 2: He is innocent, right now until the presumption of innocence
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Speaker 2: is pierced and overcome by evidence that proves beyond a reasonable.
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Speaker 1: Doubt that he is in fact guilty. Now I want
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Speaker 1: to move on to this.
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Speaker 2: Take a look at Celeste little middle school boyfriend.
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Speaker 8: She said how her mom didn't treat her well or whatever,
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Speaker 8: and she didn't like where she was at.
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Speaker 1: We were at pe and she told me.
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Speaker 8: My friend that she was running away, and she said
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Speaker 8: it was kind of her parents, and she was like
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Speaker 8: joking about it, and she she was like happy, like
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Speaker 8: joking like she always was, and like it didn't seem
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Speaker 8: real because like she was like playing around, joking about it.
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Speaker 8: And the next day she wasn't at school, and like
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Speaker 8: that's the last time I saw her. My heart jobs.
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Speaker 8: I was like, I don't know. I just couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 8: I thought, I mean, I kind of had a feeling
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Speaker 8: when I saw, like the first thing, I was like,
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Speaker 8: what if it is her? I just like to brushed
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Speaker 8: it off. But when I saw it really was, I
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Speaker 8: was like, damn, I really knew that's right.
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Speaker 2: Friends of rich CMZ, that's Celeste three vas, little middle
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Speaker 2: school boyfriend, describing how years in the making she had
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Speaker 2: trouble at home, a very difficult home life. And it
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Speaker 2: brings to mind a beautiful little girl, Madeline Soto, Maddy Soto,
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Speaker 2: who had told friends as soon as she was thirteen,
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Speaker 2: she was running away from home and living in the woods.
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Speaker 2: And I couldn't help wonder why with a little girl
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Speaker 2: want to run away from home and live in the woods.
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Speaker 2: Then I found out mommy's boyfriend, Stefan Stearns, had been
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Speaker 2: molesting her and taking videos of the molestation for years
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Speaker 2: back as early as when she was nine years old,
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Speaker 2: and no wonder she wanted to.
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Speaker 1: Run away and live in the woods.
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Speaker 2: Why did Celeste Rivas continue to run away from home?
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Speaker 2: How did everybody know that there was trouble at home?
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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, on this occasion that she
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Speaker 2: ran away from home, her sister went looking for her,
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Speaker 2: even poking her head. The sister into a liquor store
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Speaker 2: asking if they could look at the surveillance video and
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Speaker 2: see if Celeste had walked by, And sure enough, Celeste
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Speaker 2: was caught on video cam on the incident when she ran.
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Speaker 1: Away from home.
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Speaker 2: To Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, what happened in
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Speaker 2: that instance, you know, in that.
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Speaker 9: Instance, Nancy, we actually can see that Celeste is kind
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Speaker 9: of doing a walk run.
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Speaker 1: Dave, look at your monitor.
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Speaker 2: We're showing the video the sister got from the store,
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Speaker 2: and there she is literally running away from home. Let
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Speaker 2: me be clear, Celeste was not in the liquor store.
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Speaker 2: The surveillance video showed her going by. This little girl
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Speaker 2: running away from home, And I got to ask why
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Speaker 2: in this video from our friend Harvey Levin at TMC. Now,
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Speaker 2: what were you saying, Dave, mac I just wanted you
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Speaker 2: to see the video.
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Speaker 9: I just wanted to point out that that video was
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Speaker 9: at seven am. That's when it was taken at a
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Speaker 9: time when he killed me, when darl was going to school.
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Speaker 9: But so instead, Celeste is clearly kind of in a
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Speaker 9: confused state. If you watch her stride, she's partially walking,
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Speaker 9: partially running. It's like she's not quite sure what she's
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Speaker 9: going to do. But that's the last they see ever.
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Speaker 9: She takes off, and it's a fascinating reading to the
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Speaker 9: thirteen year old that is trying to figure out what
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Speaker 9: to do. And as you just pointed out, Nancy, this
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Speaker 9: is a child who spoke about being unhappy at home,
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Speaker 9: not being treated well. At home and wanting.
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Speaker 1: To be away.
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Speaker 9: And when I see her walking and understopping kind of
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Speaker 9: and then running, it just breaks my heart to think
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Speaker 9: of that child not knowing where to go, who she is,
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Speaker 9: or what she should be doing.
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Speaker 1: She's been gone.
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Speaker 2: Over a year with him, she had been living with
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Speaker 2: this grown man, and now she's dead. Celeste is found
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Speaker 2: dead in the trunk of his tesla. We weren't just
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Speaker 2: showing you video obtained from a liquor store. Imagine this, Celeste,
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Speaker 2: a little girl sister, also a little girl goes looking
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Speaker 2: for her sister, king stores and homes along the way
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Speaker 2: if they had seen her sister, even a young girl
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Speaker 2: going in a liquor store asking if they had seen Celestia.
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Speaker 1: Because you look at the surveillance video.
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Speaker 2: This is from our friend Harvey leven Over at TMC,
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Speaker 2: and here is Celeste seven a m running away from home. Now,
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Speaker 2: I'm certainly not the church lady, but I can tell
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Speaker 2: you this. You need to know where your twelve year
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Speaker 2: old daughter is at seven am. I think we could
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Speaker 2: all agree with that. I'm very, very curious to Jeffrey
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Speaker 2: Gentry joining US crime scene analyst and death investigator.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey how many little.
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Speaker 2: Girls are snatched up once they become runaways. Every year
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Speaker 2: it's you know, thousands and thousands and thousands.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine parents.
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Speaker 2: Not knowing where their daughter is at seven am?
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Speaker 10: There is way too many and the stats on that
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Speaker 10: are very disturbing. But you know that doesn't happen in wellhomes.
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Speaker 10: So like, for example, I've got three teenagers at home
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Speaker 10: and I know exactly where they're at at all times.
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Speaker 11: I have apps in.
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Speaker 10: Them, I know about phones that I can contact them
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Speaker 10: on at all times. So that is very abnormal. And
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Speaker 10: you got to look into the home life as well
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Speaker 10: as the circumstances going around this case, just to figure
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Speaker 10: out why in the world is this girl out and
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Speaker 10: able to run away? How is this girl able to
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Speaker 10: establish a relationship with an older man. So those are
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Speaker 10: all very disturbing facts that need to be looked into.
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Speaker 2: Wilson McCarty joining us I investigative reporter and host Listen.
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Speaker 12: A friend of celestial mother, Mercedes Martinez, says the family
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Speaker 12: was aware of the relationship with Burke. She doesn't know
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Speaker 12: why they didn't ask where she had been staying. Celeste
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Speaker 12: left again and went back to him. Someone called Celeste's
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Speaker 12: mother and said stop looking for her. She's fine. Take
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Speaker 12: down social media post about Celeste being missing. She felt
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Speaker 12: scared and took down a social media post asking for
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Speaker 12: help finding Celest.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Melissa, somebody calls me and tells me, don't
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Speaker 2: look for Lucy, take down the social media post. The
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Speaker 2: first thing I would do would be star sixty nine
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Speaker 2: their bony rear end and find out who was calling
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Speaker 2: me threatening me to take down social postings about my missing.
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Speaker 1: Daughter number one.
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Speaker 2: But that person was never reported to police, and they
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Speaker 2: apparently took down the social media postings and quit looking.
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Speaker 1: What happened.
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Speaker 3: First of all, that's a very haunting culture receive, but
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Speaker 3: I think it really goes into the backstory of Celeste
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Speaker 3: in what was happening in her home. It's clear there
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Speaker 3: were a lot of issues either within the family dynamic
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Speaker 3: or even the environment where she was living for her
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Speaker 3: to come and go seemingly as she pleased at this point,
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Speaker 3: I think they were just used to her leaving. And
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Speaker 3: you know, they also do seem like a proactive family
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Speaker 3: trying to find her, where about her, But then they didn't.
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Speaker 2: Have any Lussa McCarney, I like you I really do.
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Speaker 1: Do you have children?
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Speaker 4: I do not.
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Speaker 1: Well you will one Daytunacy.
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Speaker 3: I will say this, those teen years twelve to fifteen,
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Speaker 3: they are rough. I think any parents and any teen
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Speaker 3: would admit to that. Those are rough years in the
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Speaker 3: home environment, the social environments.
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Speaker 2: What you're saying right now? And I don't care. Please
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Speaker 2: meet her. I don't care how rough they are. When
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Speaker 2: your daughter guy's missing, you find her.
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Speaker 1: You find her.
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Speaker 2: You do not allow your child to go as they please,
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Speaker 2: like you just said no, And oh well, I don't
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Speaker 2: even know what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned, are you?
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Speaker 3: Okay, here's the backstory of her leaving home for a
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Speaker 3: long year, a period of time work. At one point,
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Speaker 3: there's only so much a family can do. If they
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Speaker 3: made all of those calls to police and nothing came
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Speaker 3: of it, she would continue to run away.
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Speaker 2: All Okay, you know what, Melissa, I'm going to let
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Speaker 2: you rest for a few moments, and I'm going to
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Speaker 2: go to a specialist who finds missing people.
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Speaker 1: Okay, See Fisher, you.
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Speaker 2: Do not let a child go as they please. Now,
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Speaker 2: when they become eighteen or they move out of your
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Speaker 2: home as an adult, then you can't stop them they
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Speaker 2: will go and come as they please. And the same
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Speaker 2: reason that you have to watch over them is the
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Speaker 2: reason they can't buy liquor. They can't buy alcohol, They
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Speaker 2: can't enter into a contract. They can't go tell somebody, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I want to buy your car that miners cannot negotiate contracts.
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Speaker 2: Why because they don't have the wherewithal the maturity to
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Speaker 2: do that.
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Speaker 1: So even if I sell them mind my Lamborghini and then.
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Speaker 2: Guess what, they don't pay the car note and then
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Speaker 2: they wreck it, I can't sue them because I.
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Speaker 1: Entered a contract with a minor.
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Speaker 2: So when you hear Melissa McCarty state, well, you know
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Speaker 2: a lot of parents let their children come and go.
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Speaker 1: As they placed. No, they don't. And what mark could
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Speaker 1: they do?
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Speaker 2: Well, they could hire a PI, they could continue to
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Speaker 2: call police. They could put up the social media postings.
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Speaker 2: They could go out and look for her. The mom
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Speaker 2: knew she was dating a guy named David. She's all
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Speaker 2: over social media. I can see her, can't they can't
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Speaker 2: they see she is with d four VD aka Burke. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's what you do.
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Speaker 1: You don't give up play dead, roll over?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 2: I mean, could you school McCarty on what you do
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Speaker 2: when your child goes missing.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so this solictior's just failed on so many levels
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Speaker 7: when it comes to this. And I'll tell you I
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Speaker 7: have talked directly with people that in that neighborhood that
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Speaker 7: were helping to search for celest and we're told by
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Speaker 7: family members to lay off because she was with a
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Speaker 7: quote unquote family member in Los Angeles and everything was.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, this is bringing to mind other cases.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about R Kelly.
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Speaker 2: R Kelly, who would gift his victims and their families
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Speaker 2: expensive gifts money so he could basically keep these young
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Speaker 2: girls as sex slaves.
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Speaker 1: Then we've got Michael Jackson.
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Speaker 2: Family after family after family thought it was just perfectly
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Speaker 2: fine for their child to go sleep with Michael Jackson. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, I know a lot of people think
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Speaker 2: Jackson's innocent.
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Speaker 1: I get that.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to believe he was a child luster either,
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Speaker 2: because he was the one of the most incredible music talents.
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Speaker 1: That ever lived. That said, he was a d lester there.
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Speaker 2: So how do families get hoodwinked into thinking it's okay
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Speaker 2: for their child to be with an adult male?
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Speaker 1: Nancy?
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Speaker 13: I think they get swayed by the celebrity. They're not protective.
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Speaker 13: They don't understand that.
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Speaker 6: They have a legal duty to their children.
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Speaker 13: Reminds me of a dad and my practice once got
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Speaker 13: into an argument with his sixteen year old.
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Speaker 6: Told the sixteen.
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Speaker 13: Year old in session, if you don't comply, I'm going
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Speaker 13: to kick you out of the house. And I said,
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Speaker 13: if you kicked him out of the house, I'm going
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Speaker 13: to call child protective Services.
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Speaker 6: Because you are his legal guardian.
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Speaker 13: You have a duty to put a roof over his head,
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Speaker 13: to nurture him, to make sure there's food.
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Speaker 6: In his belly, that he's going to school.
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Speaker 13: You do not let a sixteen year old, fifteen year old,
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Speaker 13: fourteen year old come and go as they please.
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Speaker 2: Always forgive him Melissa, but does fyi to the world
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Speaker 2: at large, No parenting advice from Melissa McCarty who thinks
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Speaker 2: children can come and go as they please.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Nancy, but too, we really don't know what
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Speaker 3: was happening in her home life inside the home.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I need you to tell me things I don't
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Speaker 2: already know. That's why I have you. Okay, I know
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Speaker 2: something was wrong, even the little middle school boyfriend you
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Speaker 2: want me to play that again, said something was wrong
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Speaker 2: in the home.
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Speaker 1: She was very upset, She was very sad.
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Speaker 2: She thought her mother was very mean to her, and
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Speaker 2: she wanted to run away. So far, neither of my
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Speaker 2: children have run away or even said the words run away.
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Speaker 1: Not yet.
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Speaker 2: Okay, now, I'm not giving myself a gold star, but
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Speaker 2: I can tell you this much.
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Speaker 1: If one of them disappeared.
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Speaker 2: All hal would break loose and I would not be
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Speaker 2: sitting on my rear end watching reruns on TV while my.
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Speaker 1: Son or daughter were unaccounted for. You dart right.
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Speaker 3: However, there were eleven calls to police. We don't know
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Speaker 3: the context of those calls or who were calling.
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Speaker 4: Was this Celeste? Was that the parents?
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Speaker 3: I think this is a family that was trying. They
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Speaker 3: were proactive at one point.
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Speaker 2: You don't know what the cuck calls were about, do you,
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Speaker 2: Because they took down the social media posts and they
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Speaker 2: quit looking.
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Speaker 1: According to neighbors.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I've looked up and researched what
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Speaker 2: you said, And yes, police were at the home multiple times.
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Speaker 1: Deputies were there several times. The day that the.
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Speaker 2: Little sister got the video of Celeste running down the
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Speaker 2: street at seven a m Do.
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Speaker 1: You even have a pet? McCarty?
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Speaker 2: Do you have a cat or a dog or a snake,
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Speaker 2: a frog in anything, a lizard anything?
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Speaker 1: Do you have a pet?
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Speaker 4: I do two rescue dogs. So far, so good? Put
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Speaker 4: hersonal life.
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Speaker 2: Do you know where your rescue dogs are right now?
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Speaker 1: I bet you do? Don't you? Where are they? I do?
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Speaker 4: At all times? I do.
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Speaker 2: So you think it's okay to know where your dog is?
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Speaker 2: But that children?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 2: So?
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Speaker 4: The human boy, the human Nancy?
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Speaker 1: I also coming as well.
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Speaker 3: No, no, however, I've worked with a lot of troubled teams,
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Speaker 3: not saying that she was. But there are some circumstances
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Speaker 3: where a family can try so hard to do everything
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Speaker 3: that they have the capacity and the tools to do,
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Speaker 3: and it's still not enough. There's overwriting factors such as
20:24
Speaker 3: this wealthy one of those people bring her it.
20:27
Speaker 1: They laid down, rolled over and played dead.
20:31
Speaker 2: And I could put that in a lot of different ways,
20:33
Speaker 2: but they wouldn't be fit for the air. You're seeing
20:35
Speaker 2: that video of her running down the street at seven am.
20:38
Speaker 2: I can tell you this much. I know where my
20:39
Speaker 2: children are at seven am. You ever heard of life
20:41
Speaker 2: three sixty? Even when I'm not with them. I know
20:45
Speaker 2: where they are because there's no way they're going to
20:47
Speaker 2: be separated from their cell phone.
20:48
Speaker 1: That video from our friends at TMZ Crime Stories with
20:57
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace.
21:03
Speaker 2: Very expensive items were saying on Celeste that her parents
21:08
Speaker 2: did not give her and she certainly did not buy herself,
21:10
Speaker 2: for instance, a very expensive purse and a diamond ring.
21:18
Speaker 2: Let's take a look now, what about it, doctor Bethney,
21:20
Speaker 2: where does she get those?
21:22
Speaker 13: Well, that's the Louis Vuitton purse that looks like a
21:25
Speaker 13: one one and a half carot diamond. She certainly didn't
21:27
Speaker 13: go get a job and buy them herself. What girl
21:31
Speaker 13: is given gifts like that? If not that somebody's trying
21:34
Speaker 13: to have power over her. And also we saw this
21:37
Speaker 13: with Cassie Ventura. The gifts were given, taken away, given
21:41
Speaker 13: taken away, so we don't know that those gifts were
21:43
Speaker 13: permanently under her possession either. I've had a women in
21:48
Speaker 13: my practice who are abused whose husband buys husbands buy
21:53
Speaker 13: them expensive purses but will not allow them access to cash.
21:58
Speaker 13: And when I say to the husbands, you know she
22:00
Speaker 13: she needs to go to the grocery store. She needs
22:01
Speaker 13: the shop, he goes, well, he gave her purses. So
22:03
Speaker 13: persons here in southern California are a very common thing
22:08
Speaker 13: for men to give to women to have control over them.
22:12
Speaker 2: The conspiracy theorists online saluting has exploded, literally dozens and
22:20
Speaker 2: dozens of theories.
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Speaker 1: How do you know that this is in somebody's setting
22:24
Speaker 1: up David?
22:25
Speaker 2: Why?
22:25
Speaker 1: Why would anyone want to frame him? That's crazy talking.
22:31
Speaker 12: This model sends a notification to cell phone whenever the
22:34
Speaker 12: fronk the front trunk is open for more than ten minutes.
22:38
Speaker 12: If someone was loading Celeste's body into the car and
22:42
Speaker 12: it took more than ten minutes, Burke could have received
22:45
Speaker 12: a notification and this notification could be found on his
22:50
Speaker 12: phone by law enforcement.
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Speaker 2: The tesla model y belonging to Burke, David Anthony Burke,
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Speaker 2: the artist known as David. It looks like d Join
23:01
Speaker 2: me now, Scott Iiker, who has actually performed experiments with
23:06
Speaker 2: a tesla. Founding member FBI Cellular Analysis SERVE a team,
23:12
Speaker 2: former police officer, homicide detective with Norfolk, Virginia, currently Precision
23:19
Speaker 2: Cellular Analysis.
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Speaker 1: Scott, thank you for being with us.
23:24
Speaker 2: Explain what you learned about this tesla other than the
23:27
Speaker 2: fact that the trunk is open over ten minutes, an
23:30
Speaker 2: alert is sent by text or email to the owner.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, and the tesla, as we have talked Abora before,
23:37
Speaker 14: has numerous cameras on it so that you get these
23:40
Speaker 14: alerts when the trunk is open, or the front trunk
23:46
Speaker 14: trunk they call it the fronk. And there's a small
23:50
Speaker 14: area in front of in the front of the car
23:53
Speaker 14: there in the front that you can put baggages or groceries.
23:57
Speaker 14: That's what I use it for. But in this in
24:01
Speaker 14: this case, you know, her body was found inside the
24:05
Speaker 14: front of this of the tesla. It's a very small
24:08
Speaker 14: area and you can see some of the pictures. Is
24:12
Speaker 14: my daughter here?
24:13
Speaker 1: Is that's your re enact?
24:16
Speaker 14: Okay, yes, yes, ma'am, that's my daughter. She's about one
24:21
Speaker 14: hundred pounds, so it's pretty tight in there for her.
24:26
Speaker 14: But as if you know, if the victim in this case,
24:30
Speaker 14: with Celeste, you know she's already deceased, they're more foldable
24:35
Speaker 14: and bendable at that point in time.
24:38
Speaker 1: Scott Iiker, how tall was your daughter?
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Speaker 14: Five pounds?
24:42
Speaker 2: Okay, that's generally the same size as Celeste, generally speaking.
24:48
Speaker 2: Let's see that shot again.
24:49
Speaker 1: We also know.
24:51
Speaker 2: That Celest's body was in a bag, which that's a
24:56
Speaker 2: whole another can of worms for Jeffrey Gentry, our blood
25:00
Speaker 2: pattern analyst.
25:01
Speaker 1: But back to Scott.
25:02
Speaker 2: Iiker regarding the Tesla, Celeste was dismembered, okay, which means
25:12
Speaker 2: that although we don't know the specifics of the dismemberment yet,
25:17
Speaker 2: that could have made it much easy, made it much
25:20
Speaker 2: easier to put her body in the trunk since she
25:24
Speaker 2: was dismembered. What were you saying about the degree of
25:29
Speaker 2: rigor or life or mortis?
25:31
Speaker 1: What were you saying about that?
25:33
Speaker 14: Yeah, as I said, she's as she's if she's dead,
25:37
Speaker 14: she's more foldable or manipulable in our body, so could
25:41
Speaker 14: fit into that small area of the trunk of the Tesla.
25:46
Speaker 14: And there's numerous cameras all around that.
25:48
Speaker 2: Also, I'm curious about that on USB that goes into
25:53
Speaker 2: the Tesla that does all the recording, and the recordings
25:56
Speaker 2: are stored on the USB. Would the car star art
26:00
Speaker 2: if someone had removed the USB.
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Speaker 14: Yes, it will, it will start, and it's just not
26:05
Speaker 14: going to save any data the recordings from the cameras.
26:09
Speaker 14: The USB is really just there to save the pictures
26:13
Speaker 14: and the recordings.
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Speaker 2: Also, Scott is almost a three hundred and sixty degree
26:19
Speaker 2: video of the surroundings of the car.
26:21
Speaker 1: What all would the cameras catch?
26:23
Speaker 14: They catch numerous aspects the front, back, inside of views
26:28
Speaker 14: of the camera. And this is me reenacting bringing a
26:32
Speaker 14: bag to the front of the car, opening the hood,
26:36
Speaker 14: placing that bag into that front area, that little space
26:39
Speaker 14: that we saw earlier, and then showing as you can see,
26:42
Speaker 14: that's the dash camera in front of the car and
26:47
Speaker 14: right by the mirror, and it's facing right down the
26:50
Speaker 14: front of the car, so anybody coming to the front
26:52
Speaker 14: of that car will get viewed pretty clearly as you
26:57
Speaker 14: can see. And then there's cameras on each side of
27:00
Speaker 14: the car and the rear of the car too.
27:02
Speaker 2: Melissa, how many days passed from let's just go with
27:08
Speaker 2: the last time she was cited in August to the
27:11
Speaker 2: day that her body was discovered.
27:13
Speaker 4: I believe it was about eleven days.
27:16
Speaker 1: Eleven days, Okay.
27:18
Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's are joining me, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance County.
27:22
Speaker 1: That's fort Worth.
27:26
Speaker 2: He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
27:28
Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU, and he is now the star of
27:32
Speaker 2: a hit podcast Mayhem in the morgue, Doctor Crowns, how
27:38
Speaker 2: would rigor mortis or lever mortis affect the foldability of
27:44
Speaker 2: Celeste's body? And how can we tell by looking at
27:48
Speaker 2: the body what instrument was used to dismember her?
27:53
Speaker 11: All right, so let's start with rigamortis. Rigamortis is basically
27:57
Speaker 11: the stiffening of the body after death that you sets
28:00
Speaker 11: in within a couple of hours up to six hours
28:04
Speaker 11: after death, lasts about a day or two before it disappears.
28:09
Speaker 11: So when it initially sets in, the body is very
28:12
Speaker 11: stiff and it can make it very hard to bend
28:15
Speaker 11: the body. But if you force enough, you can still
28:18
Speaker 11: bend the arms and the legs and even fold the
28:21
Speaker 11: person in half. Then once you break the riggor, it
28:24
Speaker 11: can't set back in. So we'll make it difficult.
28:29
Speaker 2: Sloot down, slow down, doctor Kennel, Crowns, you're speaking to
28:33
Speaker 2: mere mortals like myself. We're not all medical geniuses. You
28:39
Speaker 2: just said something about I can't even repeat what you said,
28:43
Speaker 2: but I can ask a question. Isn't it true that
28:46
Speaker 2: after a period of hours rigor where you stiffen like
28:50
Speaker 2: a boor's like cracking it? Two by four and a
28:52
Speaker 2: half to fold a body like the legs or the
28:55
Speaker 2: arms that are in rigor. After a period of hours,
28:58
Speaker 2: rigors and the body again becomes malleable, isn't it true?
29:03
Speaker 11: Yeah, after about a day or two, the rigor will
29:07
Speaker 11: actually disappear. Starts in the small muscles first and goes
29:11
Speaker 11: to a larger one, So it only lasts about a
29:14
Speaker 11: day or two before it's gone. But you can break
29:17
Speaker 11: the rigor by pushing on the arms or the extremities
29:21
Speaker 11: and folding them along the joint spaces. You're able to
29:24
Speaker 11: still break the rigor, and you can fold the person
29:26
Speaker 11: into a suitcase or a trunk or whatever if you
29:30
Speaker 11: need to.
29:31
Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, how long does it take, what's the body,
29:34
Speaker 2: what's the person's kill for riger to set in?
29:37
Speaker 11: About two to six hours. It starts in these smaller
29:40
Speaker 11: muscles first, like your jaw muscles, and then spreads to
29:44
Speaker 11: the larger muscles at the end.
29:46
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know what that says to me, Doctor
29:48
Speaker 2: Kendll Crowns. I think that who ever dismembered her did
29:50
Speaker 2: it very quickly after she was killed, before rigor had
29:56
Speaker 2: set in. And again, doctor Kendall Crowns, how can we
30:01
Speaker 2: look at her body? Of course it will be microscopic
30:04
Speaker 2: and a microscopic investigation to look at the actual tissue.
30:10
Speaker 2: Let's just pretend that the body was severed at the knee.
30:15
Speaker 2: Let's just pretend you take the severed limb and you
30:20
Speaker 2: put it under a microscope at the point of severance,
30:24
Speaker 2: and you look at those microscopic cells of the leg.
30:31
Speaker 1: Then you look at the bone.
30:34
Speaker 2: How can you determine what type of tool was used
30:37
Speaker 2: to sever this child's body?
30:41
Speaker 11: So what you can do is if be used as
30:44
Speaker 11: saw or something along those lines. This song has the
30:48
Speaker 11: little teeth in it, they will actually leave kind of
30:51
Speaker 11: hash marks in the bone as they're sawing through the
30:54
Speaker 11: bone that can be looked at and then be used
30:57
Speaker 11: as a comparison back to what is the alleged instrument
31:02
Speaker 11: used to dismember the body. So you can do a
31:05
Speaker 11: basically a comparison analysis of the marks on the bones
31:10
Speaker 11: compared back to the instrument that was used to do
31:13
Speaker 11: the dismembering. A tissue itself, the tissue tearing all that,
31:17
Speaker 11: there is no way to really look at that and
31:19
Speaker 11: know if it was a saw or not, but you
31:22
Speaker 11: can kind of get an idea of how rough the
31:24
Speaker 11: tissue looks is did they use a knife, because the
31:27
Speaker 11: wounds will be cleaner than if they used a saw,
31:29
Speaker 11: which will be more ragged. But it is actually the
31:32
Speaker 11: bones themselves. When you look at those, you can kind
31:34
Speaker 11: of get an idea of the tool and actually do
31:37
Speaker 11: a tool mark comparison with the bones to the actual tool.
31:42
Speaker 12: Law enforcement saying it's very likely her body was in
31:45
Speaker 12: Bert's tesla for several weeks. The remains were severely decomposed, dismembered,
31:49
Speaker 12: and found wrapped in a bag. There has been no
31:52
Speaker 12: comment about how the body was dismembered, no indication if
31:55
Speaker 12: a knife, saw, ax, or anything else was used, but
31:58
Speaker 12: whatever was used to remember the team, there will be
32:01
Speaker 12: tool marks left behind to provide a way to identify
32:04
Speaker 12: what was used and possibly link them back to the killer.
32:13
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace as we go to air tonight.
32:21
Speaker 2: David Anthony Burke aka David aka D four VD, who
32:26
Speaker 2: by the way, his music is.
32:29
Speaker 1: Through the Roof on Spotify.
32:32
Speaker 2: Amazing the irony that said he is radio silent, although
32:39
Speaker 2: we are learning he's going on social media and monitoring
32:43
Speaker 2: Reddit users everybody posting about Celeste's murder, and.
32:49
Speaker 1: He is trying to control the narrative as it relates
32:52
Speaker 1: to him, So he's not totally quiet.
32:55
Speaker 2: He can go online and do that, but not mention
32:58
Speaker 2: a word of condolence. Speaking of remaining silent, did he
33:02
Speaker 2: not notice the list wasn't there? Did nobody say hey,
33:06
Speaker 2: we're the list? Apparently not because she was never reported
33:11
Speaker 2: missing by either him or her parents. Yeah, digest that
33:17
Speaker 2: for a minute.
33:18
Speaker 1: Nor was his car reported stolen?
33:22
Speaker 2: Interesting, right, That's called circumstantial evidence. And again Burke is innocent.
33:28
Speaker 2: As we go to air tonight, but still no word
33:30
Speaker 2: from Burke again, Radio silent. I want to circle back
33:33
Speaker 2: to Scott Aiker joining US a forensics expert. Iiker, I
33:38
Speaker 2: want to see the video of you again carrying the
33:42
Speaker 2: bag to the tesla in which you performed multiple experiments
33:48
Speaker 2: the bag, the bag. I want to go to Jeffrey Gentry,
33:53
Speaker 2: joining US Forensics. Certified bloodstained pattern Analysts, senior crime scene
33:59
Speaker 2: analysts and death investigator.
34:02
Speaker 1: Author of forensic science.
34:04
Speaker 2: Applications to death and crime scene investigations, author of bloodstain
34:08
Speaker 2: pattern analysis, author of death investigations. Information to obtain during
34:14
Speaker 2: a forensic death investigation. Can we talk one moment gentry
34:19
Speaker 2: about my beloved trash bags. Oh, how I love them?
34:24
Speaker 2: Why because they're so easy to lift prints from.
34:29
Speaker 10: Explain they are very easy to lift prints if you
34:33
Speaker 10: know what you're doing. You can use superglue techniques where
34:36
Speaker 10: you can put the bag in a controlled environment. There
34:39
Speaker 10: are multiple different enhancement techniques where you can actually get
34:42
Speaker 10: usable fingerprints from plastic bags. And you might even want
34:46
Speaker 10: to consider obtaining DNA from these bags as well, so
34:50
Speaker 10: you might be able to figure out who was handling
34:52
Speaker 10: the bags either before they were filled with body parts
34:56
Speaker 10: or during the process, or when they're being put inside
34:59
Speaker 10: of the vehicle.
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Speaker 2: Veteran defense attorney Joanna and he of us joining us
35:02
Speaker 2: from this jurisdiction. Joanna, I guess you would argue with
35:08
Speaker 2: a straight face that, hey, if his fingerprints are on
35:11
Speaker 2: that bag, that means nothing.
35:13
Speaker 1: This bag was probably from his home.
35:15
Speaker 4: Oh, it would be with.
35:16
Speaker 5: A straight face, because I think we need a lot
35:18
Speaker 5: more before we can tie him to this app First
35:21
Speaker 5: of all, we haven't even established the manner of death
35:24
Speaker 5: or the time of death, and so we.
35:26
Speaker 6: Don't know if an actual murder was committed.
35:29
Speaker 5: This could this be a situation where there's this alternate
35:31
Speaker 5: theory where maybe she's engaged in some drug activity.
35:36
Speaker 6: Od's passes, you.
35:38
Speaker 5: Know, fall dead in front of someone, maybe not even David,
35:42
Speaker 5: and they panic, and of course and maybe they're stupor
35:45
Speaker 5: they with lacking judgment decide to get rid of the
35:49
Speaker 5: body and dismember it.
35:52
Speaker 6: Not the best decision, but it could have been a
35:55
Speaker 6: panic state.
35:55
Speaker 5: And I think that's why right now nobody hasn't been
35:58
Speaker 5: named yet as the primary suspect in this, because we
36:02
Speaker 5: have to establish what actually happened to her first.
36:06
Speaker 6: And then we can get to not whose fingerprints were.
36:09
Speaker 1: On the back We don't. I don't know why you're
36:11
Speaker 1: saying that put her up.
36:13
Speaker 2: Let me jog your memory, refresh your recollection, as we
36:18
Speaker 2: say in court, with a little photo. Do you recognize
36:23
Speaker 2: this person? Do you recognize her? Joe Ananievis. That's Lacy Peterson.
36:28
Speaker 2: Her body, along with the body of her little boy,
36:30
Speaker 2: her unborn child, Connor, washed up on the shore of
36:35
Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay near the marina where her husband was
36:38
Speaker 2: fishing on Christmas Eve. We never got a cod on her,
36:43
Speaker 2: did we, But yet there was a murder conviction. Let's
36:47
Speaker 2: try another photo. Look at this person. Do you recognize her?
36:52
Speaker 2: Her name is Suzanne Morphew Joe Annievius.
36:56
Speaker 1: We don't have her cood either.
36:58
Speaker 2: Her bones were buried my and miles and miles away
37:01
Speaker 2: from home, but her bike was found not too far
37:06
Speaker 2: from her home.
37:07
Speaker 1: Her helmet in another area.
37:08
Speaker 2: Her husband suggested a wild animal did at a mountain lion. Okay,
37:14
Speaker 2: here's another photo. Do you recognize this woman? Her name
37:19
Speaker 2: is Anna Walsh.
37:21
Speaker 1: Her body's never been found, But all of those cases
37:23
Speaker 1: are going forward. Joan, any of us just because you
37:25
Speaker 1: can get rid of a cod cause of death. That's
37:28
Speaker 1: not me. You're walking free.
37:30
Speaker 2: Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter, host of Killer Jeans
37:35
Speaker 2: and author of the Making of a Crime reporter who
37:39
Speaker 2: I can assure you knows where her dogs are at
37:41
Speaker 2: this hour. Melissa, tell me about the search of D
37:46
Speaker 2: fourvd's mansion.
37:48
Speaker 4: Right, so, the house in the Hollywood Hills.
37:50
Speaker 3: It was least under his manager's name, but we know
37:53
Speaker 3: that LAPD during the investigation, they issued a search war
37:57
Speaker 3: and they were taking out electronics in looking for blood traces,
38:01
Speaker 3: anything that could piece together some kind of forensic connection
38:05
Speaker 3: between the two of those.
38:06
Speaker 4: Did a homicide take place? In the house.
38:09
Speaker 3: Was it a location number one, location number two? But
38:12
Speaker 3: they did go search the house. What they found, it's
38:15
Speaker 3: not been revealed yet.
38:17
Speaker 2: This is from our friend Harvey Levin at TMZEE. Jeffrey
38:20
Speaker 2: Gentry following up on what Melissa McCarty just stated.
38:25
Speaker 1: She said they were looking for blood evidence.
38:27
Speaker 2: What specifically were they looking for and how would luminol
38:30
Speaker 2: play into that.
38:31
Speaker 10: Lumino is a chemical that can be used to detect
38:34
Speaker 10: blood that's not visible with the naked eye. So I've
38:37
Speaker 10: used in many cases, and it's on areas that are
38:39
Speaker 10: either dark or areas that have been cleaned up. So
38:43
Speaker 10: if I were in that home looking, I would search
38:45
Speaker 10: in areas where I think a body has been dismembered.
38:47
Speaker 10: And keep in mind that when you're dismembering a body,
38:50
Speaker 10: if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to
38:51
Speaker 10: make a mess for sure. So I would be looking
38:54
Speaker 10: in areas like bathrooms. I would be looking outside like
38:57
Speaker 10: on patios. I'd be looking in garages. You spray this
39:00
Speaker 10: chemical and under dark conditions, it will light up, so
39:04
Speaker 10: it's going to tell you where that dismemberment occurred, if
39:07
Speaker 10: it was inside the house or on the back patio.
39:09
Speaker 10: It's a very useful technique. And then after you've sprayed
39:12
Speaker 10: this chemical, if you're using the right one, you can
39:14
Speaker 10: actually swab it for DNA to confirm that there was
39:17
Speaker 10: blood there at one point. Because keep in mind, after
39:21
Speaker 10: several days weeks, that stuff is going to get cleaned up,
39:23
Speaker 10: and this somebody does a good job. It's not going
39:25
Speaker 10: to be really visible with the naked eye. But this
39:27
Speaker 10: chemical is perfect for enhancing bloodstains so that you can
39:30
Speaker 10: see them, document them, and.
39:32
Speaker 1: Then collect DNA gentry.
39:34
Speaker 2: You know what I love cast off And when I
39:37
Speaker 2: say cast off, I mean, for instance, if you stab
39:43
Speaker 2: someone and sling back blood minute particles are tasked off
39:49
Speaker 2: of your weapon and we'll hit the wall or the ceiling,
39:53
Speaker 2: or we don't know where. And when looking for blood
39:57
Speaker 2: at a crime saying, not only do you use alumino,
40:00
Speaker 2: as Jeffrey Jesuy accurately described, you look for blood in
40:03
Speaker 2: very odd places, like on the ceiling, at the tops
40:06
Speaker 2: of the walls, places where you would not find Celeste
40:10
Speaker 2: blood normally, like if she cut her legs shaving in
40:15
Speaker 2: the tub, you would expect to find blood there, but
40:18
Speaker 2: not on the ceiling and not at.
40:20
Speaker 1: The tops of the walls, not on.
40:23
Speaker 2: The curtains, and the type of blood matters.
40:27
Speaker 1: Is it a dot?
40:29
Speaker 2: You look at the way it runs, is it running large?
40:34
Speaker 1: Here?
40:35
Speaker 2: The trails off here, which will tell you the direction
40:38
Speaker 2: in which it was cast off. It's an art, It's
40:42
Speaker 2: a science and an art. And I just pray they
40:45
Speaker 2: get all that evidence, if there is any, before the
40:48
Speaker 2: home is professionally cleaned or repainted. If you know or
40:54
Speaker 2: you think you know anything about this case, have you
40:58
Speaker 2: been called in as a professional clean Have you been
41:01
Speaker 2: called into David Burke's mansion to repaint, to strip up carpet,
41:08
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