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Speaker 1: Wance de trop I'm a check.
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Speaker 2: The aud. Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm
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Speaker 2: your host Adam Todd Brown joining me as co host
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Speaker 2: this week. Ooh, my favorite co host of all no
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Speaker 2: co host Olivia.
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Speaker 1: Will be back next week.
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Speaker 2: As for this week, I'm going it alone to wrap
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Speaker 2: up our deep dive into the very complicated history and
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Speaker 2: legacy of the classic conspiracy theory book Behold a Pale
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Speaker 2: Horse and its author, Milton William Cooper. If you somehow
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Speaker 2: find yourself listening to this episode despite not having heard
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Speaker 2: the last free episode of the show, go fix that
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Speaker 2: and listen to part one first. This is part two.
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Speaker 2: It is the natural order of things. For all you
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Speaker 2: princes and princesses who subscribe to bonus episodes, you can
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Speaker 2: go even further back to the bonus episode before our
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Speaker 2: last free episode, that was called Milton William Cooper Revisited
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Speaker 2: and in that episode you'll get a lot more history
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Speaker 2: and background on the man who wrote Behold a Pale Horse.
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Speaker 2: And hey, if you've already listened to all of that,
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Speaker 2: damn it, you are in the right place.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
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Speaker 2: When we left off, we were talking about chapter nine
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Speaker 2: of Behold a Pale Horse, that chapter is called Anatomy
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Speaker 2: of an Alliance, And this is a really interesting chapter,
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Speaker 2: in large part because he is talking about things that
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Speaker 2: are real and really concerning, like Project m k Naomi
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Speaker 2: that is a government project obs given the name. The
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Speaker 2: short version of Bill Cooper's claims about MK Naomi is
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Speaker 2: that as part of this project, the US government developed
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Speaker 2: AIDS as a means of killing black people. And it's
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Speaker 2: suggested in Mark Jacobsen's Pale Horse Rider, which is a
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Speaker 2: profile of Bill Cooper, that this part of Behold a
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Speaker 2: Pale Horse especially resonated with black readers, And yeah, I
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Speaker 2: bet it did. As has been mentioned so many times
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Speaker 2: since COVID became a thing, it's really hard to fault
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Speaker 2: Black Americans for being skeptical of the government in relation
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Speaker 2: to anything medical experimentation related, especially, and the government has
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Speaker 2: no one to blame but themselves if people are still
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Speaker 2: skeptical about MK Naomi, because almost nothing about it has
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Speaker 2: been declassified or released or discussed in any significant way.
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Speaker 2: But it was a real thing. It was a sort
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Speaker 2: of successor to MK Ultra. But whereas that CIA project
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Speaker 2: dealt with mind control and hallucinogens and things of the like.
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Speaker 2: Mk NAOMI was focused on biological weapons.
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Speaker 1: Yay. This is the point in the book.
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Speaker 2: Where it's easy to get caught up in a classic
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Speaker 2: debunker trap, which is deciding that something like mk naomi
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Speaker 2: should be disregarded entirely because the person telling you about
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Speaker 2: it got one detail wrong. In this case, I'm not
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Speaker 2: all that convinced that mk naomi directly resulted in AIDS
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Speaker 2: being unleashed on black people as a biological weapon, and
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Speaker 2: I don't think he makes a great case for it
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Speaker 2: in the book. But that doesn't mean mk naomi isn't
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Speaker 2: worth talking about. It doesn't even mean that I find
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Speaker 2: the claim unbelievable. I just don't think he proves it
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Speaker 2: in this chapter of this book. But regardless of that,
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Speaker 2: one aid's claim, for lack of a better term, mk
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Speaker 2: NAOMI was some fuck shit. It came about as a
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Speaker 2: result of Operation paper Clip, which just a reminder, no
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Speaker 2: matter how people want to sugarcoat it, that was the
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Speaker 2: United States directly collaborating with the Nazis after World War Two,
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't reform Nazis or reluctant Nazis or low
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Speaker 2: level Nazis or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: We just embraced the Nazis after World War Two.
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Speaker 2: MK Ultra and mk Naomi are both products of that collaboration.
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Speaker 2: That's not conspiracy theory talk. That is just how history unfolded.
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Speaker 2: And case in point, one of the main figures behind
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Speaker 2: mk Ultra and eventually mk Naomi was a guy named
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Speaker 2: Kurt Bloom. And who was he? Just the deputy health
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Speaker 2: leader of the Third Reich, And the answer is yes,
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Speaker 2: that does mean he oversaw human experiments for the na Specifically,
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Speaker 2: he conducted human experiments involving biological weapons on concentration camp prisoners,
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Speaker 2: including infecting them with the plague so as to test
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Speaker 2: out plague vaccines. He experimented on prisoners at Dacau with
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Speaker 2: lice to cause typhus epidemics. In nineteen forty three, he
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Speaker 2: proposed dropping mosquitoes from planes to infect people with malaria.
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Speaker 2: He also worked closely with Japan's Unit seven to three
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Speaker 2: to one, who we did a bonus episode about back
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Speaker 2: when we were covering the Jonestown book, and those dudes
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Speaker 2: were getting up to some human centipede shit and this
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Speaker 2: fella was collaborating with him, so naturally he was tried
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Speaker 2: for war crimes after World War Two, but he was acquitted,
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Speaker 2: and it is widely believed that his acquittal happened as
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Speaker 2: a result of US intervention. Either way, all those years
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Speaker 2: spent helping the Nazis figure out how to more effectively
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Speaker 2: exterminate large populations of undesirables earned him a new life
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Speaker 2: working for the United States government on a project that
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Speaker 2: Bill Cooper suggests was meant to help identify ways to
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Speaker 2: exterminate large populations of undesirables. So it's really not as
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Speaker 2: huge of a leap as it seems. And again, the
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Speaker 2: government has no one to blame but themselves. If people
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Speaker 2: draw that conclusion, don't work with the Nazis, if you
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Speaker 2: don't want people thinking you're doing Nazi stuff. It's really
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Speaker 2: that simple, And that actually brings up one of my
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Speaker 2: problems with this chapter and this book in general. He
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Speaker 2: kicks off this chapter swearing up and down that no
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Speaker 2: one group is responsible for any of this.
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Speaker 1: It's not the Jews, it's not the Communists.
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Speaker 2: How many people listening right now are like, Oh, no,
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Speaker 2: Adam's going to say it's the Jews. No, I'm not
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Speaker 2: because everything he's talking about in this chapter, and for
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Speaker 2: most of this book is just the post World War
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Speaker 2: two Nazi team up American government. He'll call it the
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Speaker 2: Illuminati or the Builderberg Group or the secret Government. But
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Speaker 2: then at the end of the day, every allegation boils
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Speaker 2: down to the CIA, the NSA, all of these different
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Speaker 2: departments that are just part of the regular ass American government.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's an important distinction, because Nazis we
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Speaker 2: hired based on their human experimentation prowess. Continuing to do
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Speaker 2: human experiments on our behalf once they got here is
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Speaker 2: a way more plausible scenario than blaming it on the
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Speaker 2: Builderberg Group and the aliens that Eisenhower played golf with
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Speaker 2: that one time. It's also a way more manageable enemy
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Speaker 2: than the entire world. And weirdly, another of Bill Cooper's
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Speaker 2: wilder claims starts to sound a little less wild when
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Speaker 2: you dig into MK Naomi just a little bit. It's
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Speaker 2: a claim that came up on the bonus episode that
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Speaker 2: focused more on the life of Bill Cooper than the
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Speaker 2: book itself. That claim is his assertion that JFK was
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Speaker 2: killed by his limo driver using a shellfish toxin pellet gun.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I personally still like the accidental
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Speaker 2: Secret Service agent shooting angle, and none of us are
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Speaker 2: ever gonna know for sure, especially since Trump and Biden
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Speaker 2: both decided to keep the last few JFK files classified
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Speaker 2: on national security grounds. Again, when two opposing administrations agree,
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Speaker 2: buckle up. Something bad is happening anyway. Shellfish toxin sounds
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Speaker 2: like the tenfoil hattist of all possible theories, but not really.
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Speaker 2: Turns out the CIA was way, way, way into shellfish toxin,
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Speaker 2: to the point that they kept a whole bunch of
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Speaker 2: it even after Nixon ordered our stockpiles of biological weapons
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Speaker 2: to be destroyed in nineteen seventy. I'll put a couple
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Speaker 2: links in the show notes about this. One of them
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Speaker 2: is a document from the US National Archives called Summary
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Speaker 2: Report of CIA Investigation of MK Naomi. And yeah, I
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Speaker 2: know it's the CIA investigating the CIA, but it's also
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Speaker 2: a pretty fascinating insight into how the CIA at least
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Speaker 2: worked back then. Specifically, it's known to be a very
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Speaker 2: compartmentalized place. People work on their projects and for the
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Speaker 2: most part don't really know what everyone else is working on.
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Speaker 2: And this report happened at a point in history when
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Speaker 2: the CIA was under really intense public scrutiny on account
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Speaker 2: of the Church Committee hearings, which are how we found
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Speaker 2: out about mk Ultra. Around that time, there was a
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Speaker 2: call within the CIA, apparently for employees with knowledge of
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Speaker 2: projects that might make the agency seem like morally bankrupt,
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Speaker 2: not to collaborators who conduct medical experiments on the public,
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Speaker 2: to come forward and tell what they knew. And someone
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Speaker 2: with knowledge of MKNAOMI alerted internal investigators to the existence
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Speaker 2: of this project, and in this report, those investigators note
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Speaker 2: that MKNAOMI was especially shrouded in secrecy. Only two or
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Speaker 2: three officers were cleared for access to MKNAOMI or Fort Dietrich,
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Speaker 2: which is the military base where this project happened. They
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Speaker 2: couldn't even find the name of the project at first,
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Speaker 2: and when they did, they still only found two files.
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Speaker 2: But what they did find in those files they clearly
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Speaker 2: found very alarming. They were able to identify the program
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Speaker 2: as having started in nineteen forty seven, and then the
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Speaker 2: CIA really gets interested in it around nineteen fifty two.
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Speaker 2: And here's the thing that doesn't not fit the timeline
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Speaker 2: as far as the mk NAOMI AIDS theory goes. When
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Speaker 2: you take into account that the first human cases of
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Speaker 2: AIDS start popping up in the late nineteen fifties. I'm
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Speaker 2: just saying now. I should point out here, though, that
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Speaker 2: while Bill Cooper's concern about mk NAOMI was that it
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Speaker 2: produced AIDS as a weapon to kill black people, the
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Speaker 2: concern in this memo seems to surround the suggestion that
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Speaker 2: mk NAOMI was, at least in part, an assassination program.
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Speaker 2: It was definitely a biological weapons program. There is no
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Speaker 2: doubt about that. It was meant to provide the CIA
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Speaker 2: with a stockpile of biological weapons that they could use
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Speaker 2: for CIA things. And in some cases, it was a
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Speaker 2: biological weapons program that was meant to kill lots and
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Speaker 2: lots of people. A CIA memo uncovered by the Church
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Speaker 2: Committee mentioned at least three covert methods for attacking and
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Speaker 2: poisoning crops and confirmed they had all been field tested.
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Speaker 1: So that's cool.
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Speaker 2: This was a long running program get started in the
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Speaker 2: late nineteen forties. Remember that, as I read this next quote,
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Speaker 2: by the late nineteen sixties, a stockpile of some fifteen
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Speaker 2: to twenty different biological weapons agents and toxins was maintained
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Speaker 2: on a regular basis by SOD for possible agency use.
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Speaker 2: The supply included such agents as food poisons, infectious viruses,
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Speaker 2: lethal botulinum toxin, paralytic shellfish toxin, snake venom, microsporium, gypsium
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Speaker 2: which produces severe skin disease, etc. And that's from the
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Speaker 2: CIA's own report about mk NAOMI and SOOD. There means
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Speaker 2: Special Operations Division, which is the name for the team
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Speaker 2: of scientists and researchers who worked with I don't know,
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Speaker 2: the fucking Nazis at Fort Dietrich. Also, did you hear it?
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Speaker 2: Shellfish toxin? Just like Bill Cooper claims that the same
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Speaker 2: people mk NAOMI used to kill JFK. And it gets
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Speaker 2: even weirder in that regard. Here's another quote from that report.
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Speaker 2: With the presidential order requiring the destruction of army biological
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Speaker 2: weapons and toxin stockpiles, the question was raised as to
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Speaker 2: the disposition of agency materials parentheses agency meaning CIA. Though
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Speaker 2: specific accounting for each agent on the list is not
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Speaker 2: on hand, the Department of Defense indicates that, with the
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Speaker 2: likely exception of the shellfish toxin, all of these materials
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Speaker 2: were in fact destroyed by SOD personnel. The shellfish toxin,
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Speaker 2: along with eight milligrams of cobra venom was found by
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Speaker 2: David Boston, currently chief of the Chemistry branch in Vault
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Speaker 2: B ten in the basement of South Building, which houses ots.
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Speaker 2: And that brings us to another fascinating document that I'll
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Speaker 2: link to in the show notes, which is a nineteen
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Speaker 2: seventy five Time magazine article about the Church Committee hearings
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Speaker 2: and specifically that mysterious batch of shellfish toxin that was
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Speaker 2: found after all of our bioweapons were supposed to have
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Speaker 2: been destroyed. The article talks about the revelation during the
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Speaker 2: Church Committee testimony that initially the CIA came up with
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Speaker 2: shellfish tocsin as an alternative to the cyanide pill that
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Speaker 2: military personnel would carry with them to take in the
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Speaker 2: event they were captured.
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Speaker 1: Turns out that.
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Speaker 2: Is a slow, agonizing death that involves about fifteen minutes
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Speaker 2: of asphyxiation. Shellfish toxin, on the other hand, is said
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Speaker 2: to cause a tingling sensation in the fingers and lips
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Speaker 2: and then death by way of painless paralysis about ten
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Speaker 2: seconds later. And listen, I know it's a bioweapon, but
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Speaker 2: that sounds pretty pleasant.
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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. But then, since.
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Speaker 2: Russia was reported to have killed some Dissonance and enemies
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Speaker 2: by way of poisoned darts. Naomi also worked on turning
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Speaker 2: that shellfish tocsin into a weapon that could be fired
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Speaker 2: like ammunition. And during the Church Committee hearings, and again
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Speaker 2: this is according to Time magazine, then CIA director William
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Speaker 2: Colby showed Frank Church a pistol, and here's a quote
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Speaker 2: from the article. Resembling a Colt forty five equipped with
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Speaker 2: a fat telescopic sight, the gun fires a toxin tipped
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Speaker 2: dart almost silently and accurately up to two hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty feet. Moreover, the dart is so tiny the width
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Speaker 2: of a human hair and a quarter of an inch
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Speaker 2: long as to be almost indetectable, and the poison leaves
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Speaker 2: no trace in a victim's body.
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Speaker 1: End quote.
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Speaker 2: Frank Church called it a murder instrument that's about as
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Speaker 2: efficient as.
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Speaker 1: You can get.
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Speaker 2: There's also this sentence in that Time article. The agency
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Speaker 2: has also developed two other dart launching pistols, as well
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Speaker 2: as a fountain pen that can fire deadly darts and
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Speaker 2: an automobile end head bolt that releases a toxic substance
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Speaker 2: when heated.
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Speaker 1: End quote. There's also mention of.
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Speaker 2: A light bulb that emits a toxic substance when turned
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Speaker 2: on and heated. All that said, I still have some
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Speaker 2: concerns about Bill Cooper's shellfish toxin assassination claim in that
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Speaker 2: the way he says the weapon would have been used
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Speaker 2: on Kennedy and the way the weapon is described as
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Speaker 2: working in the Church Committee testimony don't really match. Cooper
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Speaker 2: says it was a pellet dipped in shellfish toxin, and
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Speaker 2: that that was done as a backup measure in case
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Speaker 2: the impact from the pellet didn't kill him, in which.
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Speaker 1: Case you just shoot him.
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Speaker 2: Then, if you're counting on the pellet to kill him,
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Speaker 2: that kind of sounds like it's going to go in
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Speaker 2: his head and lodge in his brain, and in which
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Speaker 2: case just shoot him. Why dip it in shellfish toxin
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Speaker 2: and the shellfish toxin gun mentioned by William Colby in
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Speaker 2: the Church Committee hearings, It's not a pellet that lodges
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Speaker 2: in the brain. It's just a tiny little dart that
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Speaker 2: we're with a pinprick. So Cooper's right when he claims
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Speaker 2: the government had figured out a means of assassination by
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Speaker 2: way of shell fish tocsin apparently, I just don't buy
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Speaker 2: his claim that it's how Kennedy was killed. Same thing
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Speaker 2: with most of his thoughts on mk Naomi. Cooper's claim
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Speaker 2: in Behold a Pale Horse Again is that mk Naomi
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Speaker 2: was carried out on orders from our real government, the
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Speaker 2: Builderberg Group aka the Illuminati, and that it was done
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Speaker 2: in the name of population control. He then asserts that
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Speaker 2: everything from access to abortions to homosexuality was created by
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Speaker 2: the government to keep birth rates low, and when that failed,
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Speaker 2: AIDS was invented to increase death rates. Confusingly, he says
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Speaker 2: homosexuals were both encouraged to exist in the name of
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Speaker 2: keeping birth rates low, but also targeted for extermination via
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Speaker 2: AIDS on account of being undesirables. Makes perfect sense whatever
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Speaker 2: the case. The big problem with his theory here is
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Speaker 2: that it's been rendered completely pointless by history on account
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Speaker 2: of a bunch of wild predictions he makes that never
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Speaker 2: came true, like how he says the plan is for
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Speaker 2: lots of people to die between the time the book
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Speaker 2: was published, which was around nineteen ninety one, and the
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Speaker 2: year two thousand and that if that doesn't happen, the
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Speaker 2: human race is going to go extinct. Well, the global
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Speaker 2: population back then was around five billion, and now it's
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Speaker 2: around seven point seven billion, and we're not doing great,
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Speaker 2: But it does seem like we've got a few years
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Speaker 2: left in US as a species. We at least made
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Speaker 2: it past the year two thousand. I mean, in the
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Speaker 2: big scheme of things, were barely past the year two thousand.
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Speaker 2: But in the big scheme of things, what's the year
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Speaker 2: two thousand? Planet's old as shit. Here's a quote from
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Speaker 2: Behold a Pale Horse. Can you imagine what will happen
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Speaker 2: if Los Angeles has hit with a nine point zero quake,
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Speaker 2: New York City is destroyed by a terrorist planet atomic bomb,
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Speaker 2: World War three breaks out in the Middle East, the
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Speaker 2: banks in the stock markets collapse, extraterrestrials land on the
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Speaker 2: White House lawn, food disappears from the markets, some people disappear,
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Speaker 2: and the Messiah presents himself to the world, all in
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Speaker 2: a very short period of time. Can you imagine the
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Speaker 2: world power structure can and will, if necessary, make some
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Speaker 2: or all of those things happen to bring about the
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Speaker 2: new world order?
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Speaker 1: End quote.
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Speaker 2: We'll do it then, Like some very lesser versions of
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Speaker 2: those things have happened, like nine to eleven was a
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Speaker 2: big deal, but it certainly wasn't New York City being
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Speaker 2: completely destroyed. There was no nine point zero earthquake in
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Speaker 2: La someday, sure, but those two things haven't happened yet.
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Speaker 2: They didn't happen in close proximity. And again, all of
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Speaker 2: this was gonna happen in response to reports that said,
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Speaker 2: if we didn't take these steps by the year two thousand,
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Speaker 2: we're done. And he drives this chapter home in my
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Speaker 2: readers to straighten up and act right and quit having
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Speaker 2: so many kids and like die more. I guess, because
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Speaker 2: if we don't, the Illuminati will do it for us.
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Speaker 2: And he also keeps reiterating how important it is for
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Speaker 2: us to establish some colonies in space to keep humankind going,
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Speaker 2: but he keeps referring to it as star seed and
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Speaker 2: God that sounds gross.
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Speaker 1: Stop it. I'm sure that's a.
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Speaker 2: Technical science term that people use, but don't say something else.
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Speaker 2: He then directs readers to a couple of examples of
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Speaker 2: the kind of reports he's referring to, so you can,
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Speaker 2: you know, do your own research, and if you're going
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Speaker 2: to take this book on, it is kind of important
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Speaker 2: to do your own research. Here because the first thing
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Speaker 2: he mentions is the Hague Kissinger depopulation policy, which is
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Speaker 2: interesting because what searching for that mostly revealed to me
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Speaker 2: is that Bill Cooper kind of stole this entire chapter
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Speaker 2: from an article in the March tenth, nineteen eighty one
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Speaker 2: issue of Executive and Intelligence Review, which is a weekly
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Speaker 2: magazine founded by conspiracy theory pioneer Lyndon LaRouche. It's still
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Speaker 2: published to this day. I'll link to their website in
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Speaker 2: the show notes solely because it hardcore supports my theory
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Speaker 2: that right wing websites all look like they were designed
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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six, because they are the only sites
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Speaker 2: that function properly on shitty rural Wi Fi, which is
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Speaker 2: cap shitty solely for the purpose of making information a
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Speaker 2: little harder to access in those areas. No proof, wild
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Speaker 2: speculation on my part, but god, it's fun. It's a
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Speaker 2: fun thing to do anyway. The title of the article
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Speaker 2: is exactly what Bill Cooper says you should search for,
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Speaker 2: the Hague Kissinger Depopulation Policy, and it is essentially reprinted,
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Speaker 2: albeit with some slight rewording, in Behold a Pale Horse.
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Speaker 2: Another document is called the Global two thousand Report, to
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Speaker 2: the President. These two are directly related. The Global two
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Speaker 2: thousand Report to the President was a deeply flawed but
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Speaker 2: at the time very highly alarming study commissioned by the
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Speaker 2: Carter administration about what kind of calamities the world would
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Speaker 2: face by the year two thousand if we didn't do
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Speaker 2: something to get population growth under control in developing countries.
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Speaker 2: In response to this report, Henry Kissinger authored National Security
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Speaker 2: Study Memorandum two hundred, Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for
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Speaker 2: US security and overseas Interests. It very mercifully offers up
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Speaker 2: the less unwieldy alternate title the Kissinger Report in parentheses.
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Speaker 1: Now, let me state right up top.
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Speaker 2: I do not dispute that Henry Kissinger is a straight
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Speaker 2: up war criminal, and that this country's policies in developing
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Speaker 2: nations in general, but especially Latin America directly led to
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Speaker 2: the deaths of untold numbers of people, and especially if
23:02
Speaker 2: we're talking Central America, created problems this country is still
23:07
Speaker 2: dealing with to this day, and still dealing with in
23:11
Speaker 2: the wrong way. But also, that's not the kind of
23:13
Speaker 2: stuff you just put in a report to the President.
23:16
Speaker 2: I think what you're seeing in both the LaRouche publication
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Speaker 2: article and the reprinting of it in Behold a Pale Horse.
23:23
Speaker 2: Is something way more common and still unfortunately relevant today,
23:27
Speaker 2: which is the demonization of birth control and abortion. Yes,
23:32
Speaker 2: the Kissinger Report and the Global two thousand Report both
23:36
Speaker 2: talk about the dangers of population growth and population control
23:41
Speaker 2: as a necessity going forward. But in the case of
23:44
Speaker 2: the Global two thousand Report, what it's really saying is
23:47
Speaker 2: that we're just going to have to figure out how
23:49
Speaker 2: to live with population growth, not that we need to
23:52
Speaker 2: start slaughtering Central Americans to stop population growth. And again,
23:57
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not saying that no one in the US
23:59
Speaker 2: government ever advocated for the slaughter of Central Americans.
24:03
Speaker 1: Of course they did.
24:04
Speaker 2: They still do all the time, even if not in
24:07
Speaker 2: those exact words. But that's not what the Kissinger Report
24:10
Speaker 2: is about either. If you're wondering what kind of evil
24:13
Speaker 2: it discusses, here's a quote from a section that I
24:16
Speaker 2: admit doesn't have the least alarming title. It's called functional
24:20
Speaker 2: assistance Programs to create conditions for fertility decline. I know
24:26
Speaker 2: that sounds creepy, but here's a quote from that section.
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Speaker 2: The desire for large Families diminishes as income rises. Developed
24:33
Speaker 2: countries and the more developed areas in less developed countries
24:37
Speaker 2: have lower fertility than less developed areas. Similarly, family planning
24:43
Speaker 2: programs produce more acceptors and have a greater impact on
24:46
Speaker 2: fertility in developed areas than.
24:48
Speaker 1: They do in less developed areas.
24:50
Speaker 2: Thus, investments in development are important in lowering fertility rates.
24:56
Speaker 1: End quote.
24:56
Speaker 2: And Ooh, isn't that scary investments in developm I mean again,
25:01
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong the United States government saying investments
25:05
Speaker 2: in development can very much be scary. It's just in
25:08
Speaker 2: this case not what Bill Cooper is making it out
25:11
Speaker 2: to be. Here's another quote. Assistance programs have less chance
25:14
Speaker 2: of success as long as the numbers to be fed, educated,
25:19
Speaker 2: and employed are increasing rapidly.
25:22
Speaker 1: Thus, to assist in achieving LDC.
25:25
Speaker 2: That means less developed countries fertility reduction. Not only should
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Speaker 2: family planning be high up on the priority list for
25:33
Speaker 2: US foreign assistance, but high priority in allocation of funds
25:38
Speaker 2: should be given to programs in other sectors that contribute
25:41
Speaker 2: in a cost effective manner in reduction in population growth.
25:46
Speaker 1: End quote.
25:47
Speaker 2: And I mean, I guess you could interpret that to
25:49
Speaker 2: mean we need to murder Salvadorans if you wanted to.
25:53
Speaker 2: But it's clearly not what the Kissinger Report is getting
25:57
Speaker 2: at the first of those programs in other sectors that
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Speaker 2: they bring up is providing minimal levels of education comma,
26:05
Speaker 2: especially for women. And again, fuck Henry Kissinger.
26:08
Speaker 1: I get it.
26:09
Speaker 2: He's as much of a problem on the world stage
26:11
Speaker 2: as anyone else. And the things this country and it's
26:14
Speaker 2: military did under his watch and under his suggestion horrible.
26:18
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean this report is proof positive of
26:21
Speaker 2: an Illuminati plot to enslave the world and install a
26:25
Speaker 2: one world government. It's not even sort of that. If anything,
26:28
Speaker 2: this reads like a very strong endorsement for American businesses
26:33
Speaker 2: to be allowed to set up shop in these countries,
26:36
Speaker 2: like as the end of the day, that's what's gonna
26:39
Speaker 2: help them develop. Like not really, but that's what we
26:42
Speaker 2: will say will help them develop. You just need enough
26:45
Speaker 2: Starbucks and that will stave off a civil war.
26:49
Speaker 1: It's more that the reaction.
26:51
Speaker 2: To this report is just more evidence that right wingers
26:54
Speaker 2: hate abortion and birth control, as if we needed any
26:57
Speaker 2: more evidence of that even by the point history when
27:00
Speaker 2: this book came out, this section of Behold a Pale
27:03
Speaker 2: Horse and the article that inspired it are the reason
27:06
Speaker 2: why things like the Global Gag Rule exist. That's a
27:09
Speaker 2: thing that was first put in place by the Reagan
27:11
Speaker 2: administration in nineteen eighty four. It prevents foreign organizations receiving
27:16
Speaker 2: US global health assistance from providing information, referrals, or services
27:21
Speaker 2: for legal abortion or advocating for access to abortion services
27:26
Speaker 2: in their country, even with their own money. And that
27:29
Speaker 2: is a quote from the Planned Parenthood website in an
27:32
Speaker 2: article about the Global Gag Rule.
27:34
Speaker 1: A link to it.
27:35
Speaker 2: It's a law that exists solely along party lines. When
27:38
Speaker 2: a Republican as president, the Global Gag Rule is in effect.
27:42
Speaker 2: Trump reinstated it and expanded it almost immediately upon taking office.
27:47
Speaker 2: Biden rescinded it upon taking office. That's always how it works.
27:52
Speaker 2: That's what this section of Behold a Pale Horse is about.
27:54
Speaker 2: It is anti abortion propaganda and not much else.
27:58
Speaker 1: Go figure.
28:00
Speaker 2: So, as mentioned on the last episode, a whole lot
28:03
Speaker 2: of this book is just Bill Cooper reprinting various reports
28:07
Speaker 2: and documents and articles and transcripts of varying credibility that
28:13
Speaker 2: he feels support his assertion that the Builderberg Group is
28:16
Speaker 2: out to get you. Like how Chapter ten is just
28:19
Speaker 2: an article written by a guy named Neil Knox that's
28:22
Speaker 2: all about how Gorbachev sees guns in Lithuania and asking
28:26
Speaker 2: what the difference is between that and some gun law
28:30
Speaker 2: in New Jersey called the Graves Act, which was apparently
28:33
Speaker 2: still being debated at the time but wasn't law yet.
28:36
Speaker 2: And at the time I would have said, the difference
28:38
Speaker 2: is that Lithuania has a population of a couple million,
28:42
Speaker 2: where the United States is hundreds of millions, and we
28:45
Speaker 2: all have guns, every single one of us, so that
28:48
Speaker 2: operation probably wouldn't go as well here. Now, I'd say
28:52
Speaker 2: the difference is there are still a shit ton of
28:55
Speaker 2: guns in New Jersey and everywhere else in the United States,
28:59
Speaker 2: even if you get in an extra trouble if your
29:01
Speaker 2: gun is a sowd off shotgun in New Jersey. That's
29:05
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff the Graves Act does. The chapter
29:07
Speaker 2: ends with a note from Cooper about how obviously the
29:10
Speaker 2: Second Amendment is the only reason the New World Order
29:14
Speaker 2: hasn't happened yet. So Chapter nine was anti abortion propaganda.
29:18
Speaker 2: Chapter ten is an NRA commercial for some reason. In
29:22
Speaker 2: the middle of all this is chapter eleven, which is
29:25
Speaker 2: just a conversation between Bill Cooper, and a guy named
29:28
Speaker 2: Randy who agrees with Cooper's hunch that Nixon was actually
29:33
Speaker 2: deposed in a coup as opposed to being forced to resign,
29:37
Speaker 2: to which I say, what's the fucking difference, dude, who cares? Also,
29:41
Speaker 2: this isn't really a transcript of his conversation. It's his
29:45
Speaker 2: attempt to recreate the conversation which happened a long time ago,
29:50
Speaker 2: based on his memory of said conversation, which is based
29:54
Speaker 2: on Randy's memory of the thing he's talking about, which
29:57
Speaker 2: happened even longer ago before that. It is a meaningless chapter.
30:02
Speaker 2: It should have been cut. It serves no purpose. But
30:05
Speaker 2: chapter twelve, now, that's where everything comes together, which is
30:10
Speaker 2: appropriate because, despite this book claiming to have seventeen chapters
30:14
Speaker 2: or eighteen depending on what copy you get.
30:17
Speaker 1: More on that.
30:17
Speaker 2: Later, chapter twelve is actually the last proper chapter of
30:21
Speaker 2: the book. The rest is more articles and documents and
30:24
Speaker 2: appendices that you can go read for yourself if you're interested.
30:28
Speaker 2: But it's chapter twelve that serves as the culmination of
30:33
Speaker 2: all of the information presented up to this point in
30:36
Speaker 2: the book. Chapter is called The Secret Government, and it's
30:39
Speaker 2: a reworked version of a research paper he first delivered
30:44
Speaker 2: at a UFO conference in Las Vegas in nineteen eighty nine.
30:48
Speaker 2: There are a few reasons be skeptical of the theory
30:51
Speaker 2: Bill Cooper presents here. For one thing, as mentioned on
30:55
Speaker 2: the Milton William Cooper Revisited episode and in the Pale
30:59
Speaker 2: Horse Writer book by Mark Jacobson, one of the tenets
31:03
Speaker 2: of Cooper's claim the Majestic twelve theory was called into
31:07
Speaker 2: serious question the day before he delivered this speech at
31:13
Speaker 2: that UFO conference, and it was called into question at
31:16
Speaker 2: the exact same UFO conference. It was there that a
31:19
Speaker 2: guy named William Moore, who co authored a seminal book
31:23
Speaker 2: about the Roswell incident that will come up again in
31:27
Speaker 2: a little bit. William Moore, he's one of the originators
31:30
Speaker 2: of the MJ twelve theory, Majestic twelve. He got up
31:33
Speaker 2: in front of a crowd of UFO enthusiasts and tearfully
31:37
Speaker 2: admitted that he collaborated with notorious government misinformation creep Richard Dody,
31:43
Speaker 2: who we talk about all the time on this podcast
31:46
Speaker 2: is the subject of the.
31:47
Speaker 1: Mirage Men documentary.
31:48
Speaker 2: William Moore at this same UFO conference where Bill Cooper
31:53
Speaker 2: first delivered the secret government report to a crowd of onlookers.
31:58
Speaker 2: William Moore admitted at that conference that he and Richard
32:03
Speaker 2: Dody collaborated to make up this story in an effort
32:07
Speaker 2: to preemptively discredit a guy in New Mexico who built
32:11
Speaker 2: an antenna on the roof of his house that was
32:14
Speaker 2: capable of picking up things that he shouldn't be able
32:17
Speaker 2: to hear. And Bill Cooper was super angry at first,
32:20
Speaker 2: but then he immediately decided William Moore is a liar
32:24
Speaker 2: and delivered his secret government speech the next day. Anyway,
32:27
Speaker 2: the other reason to be skeptical comes in the form
32:30
Speaker 2: of this quote from Cooper himself in Behold a Pale
32:33
Speaker 2: Horse here Goes. Most of this knowledge comes directly from,
32:37
Speaker 2: or is a result of my own research into the
32:40
Speaker 2: top secret material that I saw and read between the
32:43
Speaker 2: years nineteen seventy and nineteen seventy three as a member
32:48
Speaker 2: of the intelligence briefing team of the Commander in.
32:51
Speaker 1: Chief of the Pacific Fleet. Since some of this.
32:54
Speaker 2: Information was derived from sources that I cannot divulge for
32:57
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, and from published sources that I cannot vouch for,
33:02
Speaker 2: this chapter must be termed a hypothesis end quote. But
33:05
Speaker 2: if it puts your mind at ease, He does mention
33:07
Speaker 2: that his hypothesis is the only one that makes the
33:11
Speaker 2: world make sense, So take comfort in that, and I
33:15
Speaker 2: will try to keep my rundown of this theory as
33:19
Speaker 2: brief as possible. But this really is the crux of
33:23
Speaker 2: Behold a Pale Horse. What he talks about in this
33:26
Speaker 2: chapter is him round and third heading for home, tying
33:31
Speaker 2: it all together just like they do in the movies.
33:34
Speaker 2: It starts with Roswell and at least sixteen other incidents
33:40
Speaker 2: like it that happened between January nineteen forty seven and
33:43
Speaker 2: December nineteen fifty two. Along with those sixteen or so
33:47
Speaker 2: crashed alien vehicles, we also found sixty five alien bodies
33:51
Speaker 2: in one live alien And honestly, this is one of
33:55
Speaker 2: my first problems with this theory.
33:57
Speaker 1: Would we really be this.
33:58
Speaker 2: Thirsty for technology that crashed this much over New Mexico?
34:02
Speaker 2: No less Like I'm no authority, but I have spent
34:05
Speaker 2: some time in New Mexico, and while the police are
34:07
Speaker 2: certainly crazy, the weather is not. It's the desert, man.
34:11
Speaker 2: How rad can this technology really be if it can't
34:14
Speaker 2: stay afloat above New Mexico.
34:16
Speaker 1: It is the hot air balloon capital of the world.
34:20
Speaker 2: And it's that for a reason. It's because there's nothing
34:22
Speaker 2: up there. There is nothing up there but hot air
34:25
Speaker 2: balloons in UFOs, and we're this interested in the ones
34:28
Speaker 2: that crash all the time. Okay, whatever, whatever, This part
34:32
Speaker 2: of the story lots of people know and led UFO
34:35
Speaker 2: crash subsequent government cover up.
34:38
Speaker 1: That's the roswell story.
34:40
Speaker 2: Cooper's contribution to this story is the allegation that human
34:44
Speaker 2: body parts were found on some of the UFOs, which
34:47
Speaker 2: seems like a huge thing for all the other people
34:51
Speaker 2: who had claimed to have seen this wreckage or evidence
34:54
Speaker 2: of this wreckage up to this point to have overlooked.
34:58
Speaker 1: But let's keep going.
35:00
Speaker 2: Group of America's top scientists quickly convened to look into
35:03
Speaker 2: this matter, working under the name Project Sign, which evolved
35:07
Speaker 2: into Project Grudge, which formed an offshoot disinformation project called
35:12
Speaker 2: Blue Book. The CIA was formed specifically to deal with
35:16
Speaker 2: the UFO threat. Again, this is all coming directly from
35:20
Speaker 2: Behold a pale horse. If you dispute any of the facts,
35:23
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to seance it up with Bill Cooper.
35:26
Speaker 2: He then runs down a series of executive orders and
35:29
Speaker 2: national security memos and things of the like that gave
35:32
Speaker 2: our various intelligence agencies varying levels of authority to investigate
35:37
Speaker 2: and deal with UFOs, and he mentions that these actions
35:41
Speaker 2: put a buffer between the president and the actions of
35:44
Speaker 2: the CIA, just in case he needed to disavow any
35:47
Speaker 2: of their actions that might accidentally come to light in
35:50
Speaker 2: the future.
35:51
Speaker 1: And that's all true, But whether it was.
35:52
Speaker 2: Done because of aliens or just because we knew the
35:56
Speaker 2: CIA was going to wreck shit on the world stage
35:59
Speaker 2: is the only real sticking point.
36:00
Speaker 1: But that same thing.
36:01
Speaker 2: Kind of comes up in The CIA and the Cult
36:04
Speaker 2: of Intelligence, which is a way more credible book and
36:08
Speaker 2: probably explains why it's so much harder to find. Eventually,
36:11
Speaker 2: all of these memos and meetings lead to the creation
36:14
Speaker 2: of the Majestic twelve group. He talks about a guy
36:17
Speaker 2: named James Forestall, who will probably do a whole episode
36:21
Speaker 2: about at some point. He's a pretty interesting figure in
36:24
Speaker 2: the UFO story. According to Cooper's claim, Forestall was an
36:29
Speaker 2: early alien abductee who also worked for the government closely
36:33
Speaker 2: with the MJ twelve group, but he rejected all the
36:36
Speaker 2: secrecy and wanted the public to know what was going on,
36:39
Speaker 2: and he eventually killed himself after being admitted to a
36:42
Speaker 2: mental hospital. Either that or the CIA killed him to
36:45
Speaker 2: keep him from talking. If you've seen the documentary Wormwood,
36:49
Speaker 2: you know that at that point in history, that could
36:52
Speaker 2: totally go either direction, and probably today. Bill Cooper claims
36:56
Speaker 2: Forestall's diaries were confiscated and kept hidden for years and
37:00
Speaker 2: then finally published in a highly censored version. That is true,
37:04
Speaker 2: but he also claims the CIA gave the real diaries
37:07
Speaker 2: to a guy named Whitley Streiber, who published them as
37:11
Speaker 2: a fiction book called Majestic, and that's also true. At
37:15
Speaker 2: least the part where Whitley Streber wrote a book called
37:18
Speaker 2: Majestic is true. If it's true that he was given
37:20
Speaker 2: the actual forest All diaries and told to make them
37:23
Speaker 2: fiction by the CIA, that is a pretty bulletproof way
37:27
Speaker 2: to make sure no one believes the actual truth should
37:30
Speaker 2: it ever surface. Just make it into a book or
37:33
Speaker 2: a movie first. And it's worth noting that after the
37:35
Speaker 2: initial hubbub, people didn't really start caring about the Roswell
37:39
Speaker 2: incident again until someone published a book about it in
37:43
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. That someone being William Moore, the same guy
37:48
Speaker 2: who admitted to making up the Majestic twelve story with
37:51
Speaker 2: Richard Dody. That nineteen eighty book was followed up by
37:55
Speaker 2: a really important Roswell book in nineteen ninety one called
37:58
Speaker 2: UFO Crash at Roswell that included interviews with more than
38:02
Speaker 2: one hundred alleged witnesses. In between those two points in
38:06
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine is when Whitley Streiber publishes that fiction
38:10
Speaker 2: book called Majestic that Bill Cooper and a lot of
38:14
Speaker 2: other people suspect is actually the real forest All Diaries.
38:18
Speaker 2: So the timing works out, but who knows. Man Whitley
38:22
Speaker 2: Streiber is both a fiction writer and the guy who
38:24
Speaker 2: wrote Communion, which he alleges is a nonfiction account of
38:29
Speaker 2: his own experiences being abducted by aliens. Also fun side note,
38:34
Speaker 2: the exact date Majestic was published September eleventh, nineteen eighty nine. Because,
38:39
Speaker 2: of course, so back to those crashes in Bill Cooper's theory.
38:43
Speaker 2: At one of them, an alien was found wandering around
38:46
Speaker 2: the desert and taken into custody.
38:48
Speaker 1: It was initially named EBE.
38:50
Speaker 2: Extraterrestrial Biological Entity, and dang it if this little Rascal
38:56
Speaker 2: didn't have a tendency to lie when asked questions, how
38:59
Speaker 2: did they commune with it? No clue, he doesn't say,
39:02
Speaker 2: I guess it just speaks all the languages. Whatever the case.
39:06
Speaker 2: Eb starts to get sick in nineteen fifty one, and
39:09
Speaker 2: no one knew why or what to do, because they
39:11
Speaker 2: didn't have any background on its medical history. Obviously, and
39:15
Speaker 2: this little lion son of a bitch certainly isn't going
39:17
Speaker 2: to tell anyone anything other than that he processed food
39:21
Speaker 2: kind of the same way plants do. So doctors and
39:25
Speaker 2: botanists both worked to save Ebe, and they failed. He
39:29
Speaker 2: died June second, nineteen fifty two.
39:32
Speaker 1: Oh.
39:32
Speaker 2: Also, the movie Et is secretly a thinly veiled retelling
39:36
Speaker 2: of Eve's story. The government kept trying to save eb
39:40
Speaker 2: right up to the last minute, and even kept sending
39:42
Speaker 2: distress calls into the void after he died, hoping to
39:46
Speaker 2: gain favor with this clearly technologically superior race of beings
39:51
Speaker 2: that can't keep a fucking aircraft afloat over the notoriously
39:55
Speaker 2: friendly skies of New Mexico or figure out how to
39:59
Speaker 2: breathe oxygen. Sure so, around this time, Harry Truman set
40:03
Speaker 2: up the NSSA, which is somehow only like number three
40:06
Speaker 2: or four on the list of truly shitty things Harry
40:09
Speaker 2: Truman did to the world while he was president. Sound
40:12
Speaker 2: off in the comments about what you think was first anyway,
40:15
Speaker 2: Cooper says, the NSSA maintains contact with our secret bases
40:19
Speaker 2: on the Moon, and their main job is alien communications,
40:23
Speaker 2: but also reading your text messages obviously, so this is
40:27
Speaker 2: where that unholy alliance of all the secret societies of
40:31
Speaker 2: the world happens. Truman was keeping Russia informed about the
40:34
Speaker 2: aliens in case they proved a threat to the human
40:38
Speaker 2: race with their inoperable spacecraft and absent lungs.
40:42
Speaker 1: They worked on a.
40:42
Speaker 2: Plan to defend the world if need be, and that's
40:46
Speaker 2: when the Builderberg group formed. Like a voltron that runs
40:51
Speaker 2: on trauma harvested from children. So cut to Eisenhower getting elected.
40:55
Speaker 2: It was an alleged memo from Truman to Eisenhower informing
40:59
Speaker 2: him of the existence of the Majestic twelve group that
41:02
Speaker 2: kicked off that entire theory. In case you missed it
41:05
Speaker 2: on the Bill Cooper Bonus episode, that memo was found
41:09
Speaker 2: on a roll of film randomly mailed to a Hollywood
41:12
Speaker 2: filmmaker that seems legit. So during Eisenhower's first year in office,
41:16
Speaker 2: there's ten more crash discs, twenty six more dead aliens,
41:21
Speaker 2: and four live aliens that are recovered. So now we're
41:24
Speaker 2: absolutely salivating at the thought of getting our hands on
41:28
Speaker 2: these rickety death traps that I'm starting to suspect we're
41:32
Speaker 2: never flying in the first place. It seems like they
41:35
Speaker 2: just fell off whatever planet they're from and landed on Earth.
41:38
Speaker 2: I bet the lie eb told the government was that
41:41
Speaker 2: his craft was really just a car, and I bet
41:43
Speaker 2: he wasn't lying. Also, Cooper says Majestic twelve was Eisenhower's idea,
41:48
Speaker 2: which I promise is just his attempt to deflect those
41:51
Speaker 2: claims from that nineteen eighty nine UFO conference that the
41:55
Speaker 2: Majestic twelve story was made up. So shortly into Eisenhower's presidency,
42:01
Speaker 2: a bunch of large objects were detected traveling toward Earth
42:04
Speaker 2: and uh oh, turns out they were spaceships that showed
42:08
Speaker 2: up and just kind of hovered around the equator for
42:10
Speaker 2: a bit. And of course, the United States, being the
42:13
Speaker 2: United States, we take this as a sign that they
42:16
Speaker 2: want to talk to us, because you know how close
42:18
Speaker 2: we are to the equator. So Eisenhower sets up a
42:21
Speaker 2: meeting and we talk things out by way of binary code.
42:24
Speaker 2: He finally lets us in on that mystery, and they
42:26
Speaker 2: left us a hostage as a show of good faith
42:29
Speaker 2: that they'd return later to sign a formal treaty. If
42:32
Speaker 2: this sounds like the plot of Close Encounters of the
42:34
Speaker 2: Third kind, that's because it is. They did return and
42:37
Speaker 2: sign that treaty, and that hostage became our first alien ambassador,
42:41
Speaker 2: His Omnipotent Highness Krill.
42:45
Speaker 1: Fuck.
42:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bill Cooper names our first alien ambassador in this theory,
42:50
Speaker 2: and yes, his name is His Omnipotent Highness Krill. They
42:55
Speaker 2: just call him Krill in the book for short, and
42:58
Speaker 2: it seems like Krill was fine with that.
43:00
Speaker 1: Also, Krill very chill.
43:02
Speaker 2: And according to Cooper, four witnesses were allowed access to
43:06
Speaker 2: all this information and they were allowed to meet Krill,
43:10
Speaker 2: and this was done sort of as a focus group
43:13
Speaker 2: to determine if the public should know about this, and
43:16
Speaker 2: based on the reaction of these four people, it was
43:18
Speaker 2: decided the public should definitely not know about this. But
43:22
Speaker 2: all of this was filmed, and all those films still
43:24
Speaker 2: exists today. With today, meaning like nineteen ninety one when this.
43:28
Speaker 1: Book was published.
43:30
Speaker 2: So this treaty we signed stipulated that we would stay
43:34
Speaker 2: out of the alien's way and let them abduct the
43:37
Speaker 2: occasional person or farm animal to experiment with.
43:41
Speaker 1: But no killing.
43:42
Speaker 2: Okay, they had to give the people back In exchange,
43:46
Speaker 2: they would provide us with technology that would finally show
43:50
Speaker 2: us how to fall out of the sky and crash
43:52
Speaker 2: in the fucking desert. So we agreed to build some
43:55
Speaker 2: joint underground bases so they could probe buttholes with some privacy,
44:00
Speaker 2: and we could practice crashing their craft.
44:03
Speaker 1: Into the ground.
44:04
Speaker 2: We did a lot of that at a place that
44:05
Speaker 2: came to be known as Area fifty one.
44:08
Speaker 1: Ever heard of it. Well, if you go there, you
44:10
Speaker 1: need a cue.
44:11
Speaker 2: Security clearance to get in, and I think you know
44:13
Speaker 2: what that means. Means the president doesn't have security clearance
44:16
Speaker 2: to visit the base. Again, tweet at Bill Cooper if
44:19
Speaker 2: any of this doesn't add up. So eventually we had
44:22
Speaker 2: dozens of these bases all around the country, like seventy
44:25
Speaker 2: five or so, and the money for all this is
44:28
Speaker 2: funneled through the White House, which is weird because it's
44:30
Speaker 2: a project of the secret government that our real government
44:33
Speaker 2: doesn't know about. But whatever the case, By nineteen fifty five,
44:37
Speaker 2: it became obvious that the Aliens were not abiding by
44:40
Speaker 2: the details of the treaty. Instead of abducting people, giving
44:44
Speaker 2: them the proverbial poke, and then returning them safely to
44:48
Speaker 2: bed like they promised, humans and animals alike were turning
44:52
Speaker 2: up dead and mutilated all over the damn place. Also,
44:57
Speaker 2: we learned the Aliens, we're using humans in animals for
45:00
Speaker 2: the source of glandular secretions, enzymes, hormonal secretions, blood plasma,
45:06
Speaker 2: and genetic experiments. They explained they needed to do this
45:09
Speaker 2: to maintain their own survival. Apparently aliens run on adrenachrome.
45:13
Speaker 2: The problem is, we'd realized by this point that the
45:16
Speaker 2: Aliens had superior war technology, even if it couldn't fly
45:20
Speaker 2: that good, and so we just kind of had to
45:23
Speaker 2: go along with whatever they wanted to do until we
45:26
Speaker 2: could develop a weapon of some sort that might introduce
45:30
Speaker 2: some parody to the situation.
45:32
Speaker 1: And we didn't.
45:33
Speaker 2: We developed some weapons, one called Joshua, one called Excalibur,
45:38
Speaker 2: but apparently neither one helped. And also this was the
45:41
Speaker 2: point where the Aliens informed us that uh, oh, they
45:45
Speaker 2: actually created us, and they've been manipulating us through religion
45:48
Speaker 2: and Satanism, in witchcraft and magic and the occult.
45:52
Speaker 1: And also they used time travel to prove.
45:54
Speaker 2: To us that the events depicted in the Book of
45:57
Speaker 2: Revelation will come to pass for real if we don't
46:00
Speaker 2: do what they tell us to do.
46:02
Speaker 1: I would just like to pause.
46:04
Speaker 2: And remind everyone that I am relaying another man's theory
46:10
Speaker 2: about our secret government to you, because I feel like
46:13
Speaker 2: a crazy person just saying all of this and this
46:18
Speaker 2: next part, which is that they also showed us a
46:20
Speaker 2: hologram that depicted the actual crucifixion of Christ. The government
46:24
Speaker 2: filmed it, the secret government or the real government.
46:27
Speaker 1: Yes.
46:29
Speaker 2: From there, he gets into how in nineteen fifty seven,
46:32
Speaker 2: we found out the world was going to self destruct
46:34
Speaker 2: with or without the help of God or aliens by
46:37
Speaker 2: the year two thousand if we didn't do something about
46:40
Speaker 2: all the pollution humans were creating on Earth, and a
46:44
Speaker 2: team of scientists came up with three options. One blast
46:47
Speaker 2: a hole in the stratosphere and let all the pollution
46:49
Speaker 2: escape into space. Not sure why we never tried that one,
46:52
Speaker 2: but apparently we didn't. Second alternative involved building underground cities,
46:56
Speaker 2: and we obviously did that. There's one at the Denver Airport.
47:00
Speaker 2: Third alternative was to exploit alien technology that struggles to
47:04
Speaker 2: stay afloat on Earth to build colonies on the Moon,
47:08
Speaker 2: which for some reason he calls Adam in this book,
47:11
Speaker 2: and Mars, which he calls Eve in this book. And
47:14
Speaker 2: we did that too. Bill Cooper says he has the pictures,
47:16
Speaker 2: but that was going to take a while to put
47:18
Speaker 2: into action. Remember this is late nineteen fifties when this
47:21
Speaker 2: is all happening. So the elites enacted all those population
47:25
Speaker 2: control measures to kill people and stop them from having babies,
47:30
Speaker 2: and seems like that didn't work because global population increased
47:34
Speaker 2: by about three billion between when that decision was made
47:38
Speaker 2: and when this book was published. It's my own contribution.
47:42
Speaker 2: Bill Cooper doesn't bring it up anyway. To finance all this,
47:45
Speaker 2: the CIA and George hw Bush teamed up to start
47:48
Speaker 2: selling drugs. Not the fund the contras, mind you, but
47:51
Speaker 2: the fun population control efforts on behalf of the Builderberg group.
47:55
Speaker 2: He does mention that at some point JFK learned about
47:59
Speaker 2: all this and demand did the CIA stop selling drugs
48:02
Speaker 2: and working with aliens, and that he was going to
48:04
Speaker 2: tell people about the existence of the aliens. So that's
48:07
Speaker 2: when the CIA had to kill Kennedy with a shellfish
48:11
Speaker 2: tocsin pellet gun. Watch the driver and not Kennedy when
48:15
Speaker 2: you view the film. He says that in all caps
48:18
Speaker 2: in the book twice. He then delivers this line with
48:21
Speaker 2: all of the certainty and confidence in the entire world.
48:25
Speaker 1: Here goes all of.
48:26
Speaker 2: The witnesses who were close enough to the car to
48:28
Speaker 2: see William Grier shoot Kennedy, where themselves all murdered within
48:32
Speaker 2: two years of the event.
48:34
Speaker 1: End quote.
48:35
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, man, the woman sitting in the
48:37
Speaker 2: car next to JFK lived until nineteen ninety four, says wife,
48:42
Speaker 2: you outlived her. She was alive when you wrote this
48:44
Speaker 2: silly book. He says he spent sixteen years looking for
48:48
Speaker 2: a version of the Supruder film that actually showed JFK
48:51
Speaker 2: getting shellfish tocsin gunned by his limo driver, but wasn't
48:55
Speaker 2: able to until a guy named John Lear, who used
48:58
Speaker 2: to fly for the CIA, showed up and gave him one.
49:01
Speaker 2: And he said he got it from another CIA acquaintance,
49:04
Speaker 2: and man, nothing suspicious about that bill. Also, this is
49:09
Speaker 2: the point where somehow this chapter that is supposed to
49:12
Speaker 2: be giving us all the low down about our secret
49:15
Speaker 2: government overlords, devolves into like five or six pages about
49:19
Speaker 2: a dispute over who owned the copyright to that version
49:23
Speaker 2: of the Subpruder film and thus had the right to
49:26
Speaker 2: sell it at their lectures on the UFO circuit. This
49:30
Speaker 2: information is vital to understanding why the world works the
49:35
Speaker 2: way it does. Apparently, my favorite part of this extended
49:38
Speaker 2: rant section of his secret Government theory is how, despite
49:42
Speaker 2: this chapter relaying a hypothesis based on his crystal clear
49:47
Speaker 2: memories of a treasure trove of documents he'd read twenty
49:51
Speaker 2: years earlier in the Navy, he somehow manages to conveniently
49:55
Speaker 2: forget things like the name of the producer from Insided. Addition,
50:00
Speaker 2: who lost their job after trying to get that version
50:04
Speaker 2: of the Supruder film that Bill Cooper did or did
50:07
Speaker 2: not own aired on the show.
50:09
Speaker 1: Nor can he remember the name of.
50:10
Speaker 2: A newsletter that criticized his use of the video. All
50:14
Speaker 2: of this would have happened within the last five years
50:16
Speaker 2: or so prior to him writing that book that, again
50:20
Speaker 2: is based on memories of documents he claims to have
50:22
Speaker 2: seen in the seventies. From there, he talks more about
50:26
Speaker 2: how the moon has bases and plants and seasons and cities,
50:30
Speaker 2: and people can walk around there with just an oxygen
50:33
Speaker 2: tank like you can in the ocean. And he says
50:35
Speaker 2: once again that he has pictures of all of this.
50:39
Speaker 2: Why he chose not to put those pictures in the
50:42
Speaker 2: book anyone's guess. But at this point he just starts
50:45
Speaker 2: piling on details about all the nefarious things the secret
50:49
Speaker 2: government is doing in the name of selling drugs to
50:53
Speaker 2: fund their dirty operations. And yeah, man, the CIA sells drugs,
50:57
Speaker 2: no disputing that. But speaking of drugs, he said as
51:00
Speaker 2: the CIA was using a combination of prozac and hypnosis
51:04
Speaker 2: to cause school shootings so as to compel Americans to
51:07
Speaker 2: give up their guns, which again are the only thing
51:10
Speaker 2: protecting us from the New World Order. He predicts that
51:13
Speaker 2: the wave of crime that would happen over the course
51:16
Speaker 2: of the nineties would force the citizenry to demand that
51:21
Speaker 2: all guns be confiscated, and that once that happens, the
51:24
Speaker 2: CIA will round up a bunch of Illuminati slaves, put
51:27
Speaker 2: them in concentration camps, and then use them for slave
51:30
Speaker 2: labor to colonize the moon that he says has already
51:33
Speaker 2: been colonized because he has pictures. And then the rest
51:38
Speaker 2: of the chapter is just him accusing various people who've
51:42
Speaker 2: criticized him over the years of being government agents.
51:46
Speaker 1: Who are part of the plot.
51:47
Speaker 2: He says that thing where someone came forward and said
51:50
Speaker 2: they made up the Majestic twelve story was actually a
51:53
Speaker 2: contingency plan launched by the government in the event someone
51:58
Speaker 2: like Cooper ever, got too close to the truth about
52:01
Speaker 2: Majestic twelve, which reminder his version of the truth in
52:05
Speaker 2: everyone else's version of the truth is exactly the same,
52:08
Speaker 2: except his is that they found human bodies on the
52:11
Speaker 2: craft also, and then the real kicker comes right at
52:15
Speaker 2: the end of the chapter. Please recall again a whole
52:18
Speaker 2: out of this theory that he presents in this chapter
52:21
Speaker 2: comes from his recollection of a bunch of documents that
52:24
Speaker 2: he claims he saw in his commanding officer's office while
52:27
Speaker 2: he was in the Navy in the early seventies. Well,
52:30
Speaker 2: at the end of this chapter, he takes a break
52:32
Speaker 2: from shit talking fellow UFO investigators to praise some who
52:36
Speaker 2: he views as allies, and one of them is a
52:38
Speaker 2: journalist named Linda Moulton Howe, who especially impressed him by
52:42
Speaker 2: confiding that she'd seen the exact same documents he saw
52:47
Speaker 2: back when he was in the navy. And how did
52:49
Speaker 2: she see him? She was shown them by Richard Dody,
52:52
Speaker 2: the guy from the Mirage Men documentary, the guy whose
52:56
Speaker 2: sole job with the government was to spread fake information
53:00
Speaker 2: to UFO investigator types to discredit them. So not exactly
53:05
Speaker 2: the best endorsement for the validity of Bill Cooper's theory.
53:09
Speaker 1: I guess.
53:10
Speaker 2: So there's only one more chapter I want to talk
53:12
Speaker 2: about in Behold a Pale Horse. I know I said
53:15
Speaker 2: chapter twelve is technically the end of the book in
53:17
Speaker 2: terms of things Bill Cooper actually wrote, and that is true.
53:20
Speaker 2: But there's a weird quirk about this book that I've
53:23
Speaker 2: just barely touched on so far. Earlier, I very briefly
53:27
Speaker 2: mentioned that the number of chapters in this book varies
53:30
Speaker 2: depending on what copy you have. Since initially reading it
53:34
Speaker 2: back in the mid nineties, I'd read some complaints online,
53:37
Speaker 2: especially in Amazon reviews and things of the like, about
53:40
Speaker 2: how more recent versions of Behold a Pale Horse are
53:43
Speaker 2: missing a chapter, and I'd always heard that it was
53:46
Speaker 2: a chapter about how the military was going to use
53:48
Speaker 2: drugs to stage school shootings, and no, as I just mentioned,
53:52
Speaker 2: that's still in the book, and it's not an entire chapter.
53:55
Speaker 2: And I didn't think much of it until a few
53:58
Speaker 2: months into the first wave of COVID lockdowns. At the
54:02
Speaker 2: apartment complex I was living in at the time, people
54:05
Speaker 2: would do that thing where if you had some shit
54:07
Speaker 2: you wanted to get rid of that wasn't worth selling,
54:09
Speaker 2: but not exactly junk, they'd put it in like the
54:13
Speaker 2: communal laundry room for whoever.
54:15
Speaker 1: Wanted to take it.
54:16
Speaker 2: And people did this a whole lot, with books especially,
54:18
Speaker 2: and so imagine my surprise when I go to do
54:21
Speaker 2: laundry one day and someone had left a for real
54:25
Speaker 2: print copy of Behold a Pale Horse for someone to
54:29
Speaker 2: get red pilled by. When I saw it, my first
54:32
Speaker 2: thought was that the only responsible thing to do would
54:34
Speaker 2: be for me to take it, as opposed to letting
54:36
Speaker 2: some impressionable young buck have at it during COVID. But
54:40
Speaker 2: then my second thought was, oh, I wonder if that's
54:42
Speaker 2: the real one, with all the chapters, the.
54:44
Speaker 1: One that wasn't watered down by the man.
54:47
Speaker 2: So when I got home, I bought a kindle copy
54:50
Speaker 2: of Behold a Pale Horse and compared the table of contents,
54:53
Speaker 2: and sure enough, mine had an extra chapter. And I
54:56
Speaker 2: started comparing the two table contents, and that's when I noticed.
55:00
Speaker 1: So what that missing chapter is.
55:02
Speaker 2: It's an entire, word for word reprinting of the Protocols
55:06
Speaker 2: of the Elders of Zion. Ew if you're unfamiliar, that
55:10
Speaker 2: is one of the most notoriously anti semitic texts of
55:14
Speaker 2: all time. It's all about how Jews control the entire
55:17
Speaker 2: world and are behind all of the bad things that
55:20
Speaker 2: happen all the time.
55:22
Speaker 1: Always.
55:22
Speaker 2: It's often mentioned that auto manufacturing legend Henry Ford was
55:27
Speaker 2: an early proponent of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
55:31
Speaker 2: What's mentioned less is that a few short years after
55:33
Speaker 2: he embraced those teachings, he backed away from that opinion
55:37
Speaker 2: and apologized vehemently. Even Joseph Gerbels, one of the Nazist
55:42
Speaker 2: of all Nazis, rejected the Protocols of the Elders of
55:46
Speaker 2: Zion as a worthless forgery. But Bill Cooper says the
55:51
Speaker 2: text was just written that way to deceive you. It's
55:54
Speaker 2: not anti semitic. When you read it, you just have
55:57
Speaker 2: to replace the word Jews with a loomine and then
56:01
Speaker 2: it all makes sense.
56:02
Speaker 1: And here's the thing.
56:03
Speaker 2: No, No Protocols of the Elders of Zion is some
56:06
Speaker 2: anti Semitic fiction nonsense, and including it in this book
56:11
Speaker 2: was stupid and highly suspicious, just like the book itself.
56:16
Speaker 2: And you know what, I think that brings us to
56:18
Speaker 2: the end of our exploration into the depths of Behold
56:22
Speaker 2: a Pale Horse. If you've read it and you disagree
56:25
Speaker 2: with my assessment of the book, by all means, tweet
56:28
Speaker 2: at me at Adam Todd Brown, or sound off in
56:31
Speaker 2: the comments on Patreon or something. I'll tell you right
56:34
Speaker 2: now that I probably disagree with you, and I most
56:37
Speaker 2: likely won't even respond, but hey, sound off anyway. On
56:40
Speaker 2: our next free episode, we're diving into the complicated and
56:45
Speaker 2: tragic story of journalist Gary Webb, who, in a I
56:49
Speaker 2: would argue more credible manner, first told the world about
56:53
Speaker 2: actual connections between the CIA and cocaine trafficking and got
56:58
Speaker 2: annihilate by his fellow mainstream media types for it. So
57:05
Speaker 2: be on the lookout for that. Until then, I don't
57:08
Speaker 2: have anything to plug. If you want to hear that
57:10
Speaker 2: bonus episode that I keep mentioning. Subscribe on Patreon or supercast,
57:16
Speaker 2: or write in your Spotify app, and you know, I
57:20
Speaker 2: think that's it. Let's get out of here. Adam say goodbye,
57:23
Speaker 2: goodbye everybody, We love you.