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Plans to Kidnap/Torture Estranged Wife FAIL to Win Her Back (Best of Crime Stories) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I've told the story many,
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Speaker 1: many times about how I went into really early labor
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Speaker 1: and gave birth to the twins over six weeks early,
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Speaker 1: and they would have died, specifically Lucy, he was born
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Speaker 1: at two pounds had it not been for the neo
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Speaker 1: natal doctors that truly saved their lives. So when I
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Speaker 1: think of a neo natal doctor, I think of the
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Speaker 1: women and men, the doctors, the nurses, the crew that
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Speaker 1: saved my children's life, many of whom I'm still in
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Speaker 1: touch with. I really don't think of a neonatal doctor
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Speaker 1: being taken down by the FBI after trying to find
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Speaker 1: someone on the dark web to kidnap and drug his
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Speaker 1: A strange wife Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. When I
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Speaker 1: think of a neonatal doctor, I don't think of a
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Speaker 1: neonatal doctor being taken down by the FBI because he's
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Speaker 1: been shopping on the dark web to have his wife kidnapped. Well,
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Speaker 1: apparently that's exactly what happened with me. An all star
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Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again.
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Speaker 1: James Daniels, Director Investigations, Blocktrace, dot Com expert and cryptocurrency
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Speaker 1: and the dark web. You know there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: crazy people on the dark web. Ashley Wilcot judge, trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: court TV anchor at Astley Wilcot dot com. Doctor Sherry Schwartz,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior and you can find
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Speaker 1: her at panther Mitigation dot com. Justice Scott Morgan, Professor forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, Author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon
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Speaker 1: and star of a hit series Pikedon Massacre on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: Dan Shilling, safety expert, former Lieutenant USAF, thirty year special
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Speaker 1: opts now author of the Power of Awareness The Power
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Speaker 1: of Awareness, and you can find him at Dan Shilling
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Speaker 1: books dot com. But first, let's go straight out to
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Helly Gunther. You can find her at k
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Speaker 1: h Q TV Hally what a story? First of all,
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Speaker 1: who is this guy? Doctor Ryn? You'll take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at crime online dot com. Urkda a
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Speaker 1: neonatologist specializes in pre term babies and newborns, the diagnosis
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Speaker 1: and treatment of conditions such as breathing disorders, infections, and
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Speaker 1: birth defects. That's why doctor Ronald craig Ill does and
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Speaker 1: he's successful The fifty five year old doctor came from
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Speaker 1: an Oregon town a fewer than four thousand people, then
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Speaker 1: moved to Portland for his training before settling in a
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Speaker 1: small community outside Spocan. During his seventeen year career, il
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Speaker 1: worked his way up to chief medical director of a
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Speaker 1: multi state neonatology management group. He gets married, but the
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Speaker 1: couple divorces. Not long after, ill Green marries an esthetician
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Speaker 1: fifteen years his junior. They have a three year old son,
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Speaker 1: so he's got the one wife. They divorce and he
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Speaker 1: gets his second wife, much younger wife. They have a
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Speaker 1: three year old son. But of course, why is it
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Speaker 1: with man no offense? Men? Why is it you've got everything?
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Speaker 1: Yeah have to chase a skirt? Why take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our France at crime online dot com cut be
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Speaker 1: Gilg's personal life and a professional life begin to falter.
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Speaker 1: Ilgs bosses ask him to step down as corporate medical director. Reportedly,
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Speaker 1: the medical group received two complaints, one alleging harassment against
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Speaker 1: a coworker and one about his scheduling practices, and hr
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Speaker 1: investigation is launched and the atmosphere in the office is tense. Eventually,
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Speaker 1: Ilg is asked to resign. He refuses, so the company
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Speaker 1: eliminates his position altogether. ILG files a lawsuit. Other legal
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Speaker 1: action is taking place as well. Gilg's wife files for divorce. Oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, HELLI gunther, I need a shrink
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Speaker 1: right now before I even get the facts. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: doctor Sherry Schwartz. Why is it that when the marriage
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Speaker 1: goes sideways, everything else seemingly falters. So many times everything
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Speaker 1: went straight down the crapper. Why would you cheat on
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Speaker 1: your spouse when you have this wonderful family, You've got
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Speaker 1: a great job, you've got a great wife, you've got
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Speaker 1: a three year old child. Why. Yeah, it doesn't seemed
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Speaker 1: like he had absolutely everything going for him. He was
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Speaker 1: a well respected doctor. We had heard glowing reviews from,
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Speaker 1: you know, some of the families he had worked with,
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Speaker 1: some of these babies that he had had saved, and
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Speaker 1: he really let everything that he had going for him,
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Speaker 1: everything in the world, just go. And you know, do you,
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Speaker 1: James Daniels. People always say, oh, Nancy Grace hates man.
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Speaker 1: That's not true. I love man. I just don't like
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Speaker 1: men that commit felonies. That's my problem with men. So
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Speaker 1: James Daniels I'm just gonna go to you and just
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Speaker 1: got Morgan and Dan shilling what is wrong with men?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong. Well, there
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Speaker 1: is something wrong with this guy. He's got the first wife,
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Speaker 1: they get a divorce. Now, at the beginning, I'd say, well,
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Speaker 1: it was probably fifty fifty. But then you get the
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Speaker 1: second wife, and then they get a divorce, and they've
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Speaker 1: got a three year old son, and I'm starting to wonder, Wow,
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Speaker 1: what's the common connection between all this? It's him, you
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Speaker 1: know what? Hold on just a moment, Jackie playcutsy missus
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Speaker 1: ILG proceeds with the divorce, even as Ronald I begs
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Speaker 1: his wife to make their relationship work her him and
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend. According to the wife, stop right there. Did
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Speaker 1: you hear that, James Daniels. Now you just said there's
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong, but he wants to have his wife work
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Speaker 1: out the marriage, the relationship between him, her and his girlfriend. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's definitely something wrong with him. I was just saying
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Speaker 1: men in general. So yeah, clearly he's got some serious
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Speaker 1: issues going on. Look, I'm not saying women don't cheat,
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Speaker 1: but and of course this is anecdotal, but as she
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Speaker 1: Willcott I've got a very very strong suspicion, a strong
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Speaker 1: belief that more men cheat and break up the marriage.
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Speaker 1: I will tell you it sure us feel that way
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Speaker 1: and seem that way. And I feel like when men cheat,
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Speaker 1: they go big. They don't just I kiss someone, take
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Speaker 1: O big and they just take what they want. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: why can't you have a not that I approve of this.
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Speaker 1: I don't want you to a fleeting affair. Keep it
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Speaker 1: to yourself, don't consess to your wife and ruin the
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Speaker 1: relationship and end up in a divorce. Now, see that
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Speaker 1: goes against everything I believe about being completely honest. But
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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, doctor Shery Schwartz, this may help
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Speaker 1: you in your practice as a psychologist. Do you remember,
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Speaker 1: dear Abbey? Yes, because if you read, I remember it's
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Speaker 1: a little girl. When people still read the paper. We
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Speaker 1: would get the paper and I would always read to
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Speaker 1: your Abbey, and about once a week some spouse would
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Speaker 1: write in had a fling. I can't believe I did.
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Speaker 1: It was so stupid. I don't know what I was thinking.
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Speaker 1: I want to tell my wife, should I She's like, no,
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Speaker 1: just work on your marriage and don't do it again.
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Speaker 1: Don't drag her down, as I like to say, down
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Speaker 1: the crapper with you. Work on your marriage, make it better,
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Speaker 1: be the man she deserves, but don't burden her with
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Speaker 1: what you've done. You may not ever be able to
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Speaker 1: repair it. Now, you know, I don't know. I'm not
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Speaker 1: a shrike. I'm just a JD. But that makes sense
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Speaker 1: to me, you know, because if David jumped up and
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Speaker 1: told me I had an affair, well, he'd have to
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Speaker 1: go by and they would ruin the whole family. But
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Speaker 1: I would have to do it exactly. And the thing
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Speaker 1: is with cheating, Men and women, by the way, tend
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Speaker 1: to cheat for different reasons. Women tend and this is
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Speaker 1: a generalization, but women tend to cheat for you know,
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Speaker 1: emotional reasons, maybe because their husband isn't there. And that
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Speaker 1: doesn't make it okay, I'm not making excuses. Men tend
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Speaker 1: to cheat more because it's a drive for sex, new
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Speaker 1: sex with somebody different. So basically, it doesn't matter if
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Speaker 1: the person is prettier, smarter, more educated, funnier. It's just
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Speaker 1: something strange. It's just something different, right exactly, And very
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Speaker 1: often the other woman aspected that. And now I'm hearing
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Speaker 1: it from an official forensic psychologist. Okay, you know what, guys,
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Speaker 1: somehow I'm gonna blame it on you. Jackie. We've gotten
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Speaker 1: off the course about what is wrong with men? Okay,
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Speaker 1: and according to James Daniels, nothing is wrong with men. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's something wrong with this guy. Crime Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace here. He is a neo natal doc at the
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Speaker 1: top of his game. Didn't I just hear that he
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Speaker 1: had gotten promoted to the point he was running a
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Speaker 1: multi state neo natal management group. Good gravy. Danny jumps
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Speaker 1: up and tells his wife he wants second wife. He
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Speaker 1: wants to work out the relationship between him, her and
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend. Okay, wait a minute, I got to hear
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Speaker 1: that one more time. Could you play that again? Cutsy missus.
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Speaker 1: Ilk proceeds with the divorce, even as Ronald I begs
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Speaker 1: his wife to make their relationship work her him and
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend. According to the wife, Ilk has been having
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Speaker 1: an affair for more than two years. Ilk bombards his
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Speaker 1: wife with hundreds of text messages, offering to pay her
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Speaker 1: if she would drop the divorce. She doesn't. In fact,
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Speaker 1: she files for an order of protection. She claims Ilk
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Speaker 1: parks outside her workplace and threatens to show up at
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Speaker 1: her house at night to find out if she's stating
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Speaker 1: some one. He also placed tracking devices on her car
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Speaker 1: and cell phone on at least three separate occasions, according
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Speaker 1: to AffA David's, he told her they were for her
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Speaker 1: own protection. Okay, you know what, I've totally ignored. The
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Speaker 1: one person joining us today that knows all the facts
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Speaker 1: around this so I could rant about the husband, the
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Speaker 1: wife and the girlfriend being in a happy relationship. Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now is Haley Gunther, investigative reporter and anchor
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Speaker 1: at k HQTV. Haley, let me understand this. So he's
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Speaker 1: now on a second one. They've got eight three year
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Speaker 1: old child. So and he has had a girlfriend for
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Speaker 1: two years. So when the baby's one year old, he
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Speaker 1: launches an affair. That's basically what is laid out in
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Speaker 1: court documents. And you know it does appear that you know, Haley,
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Speaker 1: do you have children, Hilly, do you have I have
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Speaker 1: two little boys, and then you know exactly what's what's
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Speaker 1: going on when the child is much less with twins,
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Speaker 1: but the child is one year old, you're they're still
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Speaker 1: not sleeping, You're up all night long. I just happened
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Speaker 1: to walk by Amir and I went, oh, dear lord,
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Speaker 1: what isn't that when the twins are about sixteen months old?
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Speaker 1: I mean, and in the middle of all this, he
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Speaker 1: has an affair. Now I'm not asking for names, but
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Speaker 1: who's he having an affair with? It's unclear how how
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Speaker 1: exactly he met this woman that he ended up to
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Speaker 1: see for um gosh at least? But what is she? What?
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Speaker 1: Is she an anatsiologist? Is she another doctor? Is she
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Speaker 1: a nurse? Does she work at the Vitamin Street? A
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Speaker 1: whole lot about Hilly. I need to tell all the
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Speaker 1: details for a professional reason, of course, not because I
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Speaker 1: have a prurient interest. Okay, so he's having an affair,
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Speaker 1: but I can tell you this much. When you don't
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Speaker 1: know a horse. Look at his track record. He dumps
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Speaker 1: wife number one for a woman fifteen years younger. I
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Speaker 1: guarantee you the girlfriend is a newer model. Does anybody
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Speaker 1: you want to argue with me about that? Joe Scott Morgan? No, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to argue with you about it. But
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Speaker 1: I don't like your tone checking track records. I like
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Speaker 1: the way you say that. It seems like somebody should
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Speaker 1: have checked this doctor's track record before they got involved
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Speaker 1: with him. To be perfectly honest with I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out how this whole thing unfolds, So let's just
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Speaker 1: leave it right there with the wife not really too
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Speaker 1: happy about the scenario of a close knit relationship with
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Speaker 1: her husband and his lover. Take a listen right now
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Speaker 1: to our cut one. This is Morgan trou at k
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Speaker 1: r EM. The FBI describes it as a tale of jealousy,
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Speaker 1: bitcoin and the dark wet agent say doctor Ronald Ilg,
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Speaker 1: who is going through a messing divorce with his wife,
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Speaker 1: tried to solicit someone on the dark web to kidnap
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Speaker 1: her and assault her. Investigators say Ild tried to arrange
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Speaker 1: the crime to happen while he was in Mexico with
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend, but according to the FBI, his girlfriend found
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Speaker 1: out about the plot and a text exchange, she tells Ilg,
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Speaker 1: you hired someone to hurt your wife from the dark
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Speaker 1: web using bitcoin. Stop now leave me alone forever. I'm
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Speaker 1: scared of you. While in Mexico, agent say Ild's girlfriend
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Speaker 1: found his burner phone that he used to contact people
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Speaker 1: on the dark web. A fight ensues, an agent say
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Speaker 1: the victim was able to record audio of Ild assaulting
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Speaker 1: her as she struggled to breathe. This is the girlfriend
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Speaker 1: with doctor Ild in Mexico. As the husband, doctor ILG
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Speaker 1: tries to order a hitman to do harm to his wife.
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Speaker 1: But let me understand something, he only got her, didn't
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Speaker 1: He wasn't her cell phone and her car and all
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Speaker 1: of her devices, right. He had said it was for
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Speaker 1: her own safety, even writing to her when she confronted him,
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Speaker 1: Sorry for caring. But she did find tracking devices and
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Speaker 1: her vehicles. It appears that he also put some sort
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Speaker 1: of you know, software tracking on her cell phone. He
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Speaker 1: tabs on her that way. And when the girlfriend found
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Speaker 1: this burner phone in Mexico, her initial thought, you know,
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Speaker 1: according to records and recent reports, is that it was
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Speaker 1: a phone to talk to other women. So initially she didn't,
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Speaker 1: you know, suspect that it was tied to this dark web,
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Speaker 1: evil plot that he perhaps once again was, at least
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Speaker 1: in her mind, was trying to find someone else again.
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Speaker 1: So she thought the all the secretiveness and the burner
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Speaker 1: phones and side forth was because he was dating yet
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Speaker 1: another woman. That he had a wife, a mistress, and
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Speaker 1: another girlfriend and we're starting to look for someone else yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I feel that if I had to look
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Speaker 1: at my husband's emails and a cell phone activity and
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Speaker 1: figure out where he was, I just what a horrible
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Speaker 1: way to have to live, you know. To James Daniels,
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Speaker 1: director investigations at block trace dot com, expert on the
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Speaker 1: dark Web, how do you download that type of treker?
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Speaker 1: He had a treker on his wife's cell phone, her
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Speaker 1: car and more. How do you do that and get
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Speaker 1: away with it? Yeah? I mean, and all honesty, you
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Speaker 1: don't even need the dark Web to do that. Those
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Speaker 1: type of applications are available all over the book, depending
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Speaker 1: upon you know exactly what the person wants to do.
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Speaker 1: A lot of them are based around the concept of
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Speaker 1: parents keeping tracks of their kids. So these applications are
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Speaker 1: built of, Hey, I want to make sure my child safe.
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure everything's okay. So you can
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Speaker 1: install software on their phones that track every text message,
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Speaker 1: every email, everything that happens. Again, it's a safety precaution,
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Speaker 1: but how do you How would I not that I'm
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Speaker 1: going to do it. Okay, I'm not going to do it.
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Speaker 1: But if I wanted to download that or track my
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Speaker 1: husband's cell phone movements, how would I do it. It's
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Speaker 1: just an app that you download and you have it
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Speaker 1: fall on the pot. So I would have to get
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Speaker 1: his phone and with his passcode and go online. I
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Speaker 1: guess to Google and type in track cell phone movements
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Speaker 1: or track cell phone key strokes to see what he's
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Speaker 1: looking up, and then you download it and then how
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Speaker 1: do you read it? Usually what will you do was
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Speaker 1: it'll output the information to an external source. Either it
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Speaker 1: can have an email sent to a designated email on
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Speaker 1: a daily basis, or they actually have dashboards that log
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Speaker 1: into that. And as far as going undetected these apps
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Speaker 1: or software, the user of the phone, like my husband
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Speaker 1: would not be able to look at his phone and
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Speaker 1: tell that there was this secret app. It's like a
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Speaker 1: phantom app. You can't see it when you look at
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Speaker 1: the phone. But how does that work on a car
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Speaker 1: which you just put a GPS tracker somewhere on the car?
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Speaker 1: Is that how he was figuring out where she was? James? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean we use that law enforcement all the time
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Speaker 1: to standard preppy all trackers on people's cars, but I
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Speaker 1: mean those can be purchased again online. It effectively uses
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Speaker 1: like a cell phone to ping, and then that cell
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Speaker 1: phone will just basically tell you where the person's at
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Speaker 1: and putting upon the type they use a lot of them.
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Speaker 1: Just have a magnet with a phone in a battery
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Speaker 1: and you just pick it underneath the car in a
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Speaker 1: little pain and tell you where anybody's at it at
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Speaker 1: any time, as long as there's And again I'm a JD,
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Speaker 1: not an MD with a degree in psychiatry. But if
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Speaker 1: you've got to track your spouse that way, just get
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Speaker 1: a new one. Just get out, because already there's no trust.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how that can ever be rebuilt. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about a
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Speaker 1: very well respected neonatal doctor who is taken down by
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Speaker 1: the FBI after he allegedly hires a guy on the
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Speaker 1: dark web to kidnap and drug he's estranged wife, he says,
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Speaker 1: in a bid to get her back. Okay, guys, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut two, our Francy k R
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Speaker 1: E M two. The FBI says the girlfriends told them
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Speaker 1: Ill forced her to sign a sex slave contract. In
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Speaker 1: a contract that looks similar to this, a slave signs
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Speaker 1: her rights away and unconditionally accepts anything her master chooses
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Speaker 1: to do with her agents say after the fight in Mexico,
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Speaker 1: Ill pricks her finger and makes her sign the contract
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Speaker 1: with her own blood. The document that was shown in
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Speaker 1: court shows Ill sign the contract in his blood as well.
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Speaker 1: Included in the contract an agreement that quote slaves agree
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Speaker 1: to any punishment, whether it was earned or not. The
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Speaker 1: FBI says one of the punishments was to put her
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Speaker 1: in one of two concrete holes in his Spokane yard.
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Speaker 1: Agents described the holes as storage tanks underground and that
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Speaker 1: a ladder was needed to get in and out of it.
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Speaker 1: The victim told investigators he would keep her down there
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Speaker 1: for hours. The defense argues that the so called contract
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Speaker 1: and the relationship were completely consensual. Okay, I'm just trying
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Speaker 1: to get my head wrapped around what I just heard.
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Speaker 1: A grown woman agrees to a sex slave contract that
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Speaker 1: includes her getting buried in a storage tank, a cement hole,
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Speaker 1: and doctor Yield's yard and staying down in a hole
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Speaker 1: for hours and hours on end. Okay, Halley Gunther, did
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Speaker 1: I just hear that? Yeah? It really is one of
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Speaker 1: those cases where you read it, you read it again,
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Speaker 1: and you're still just like it, did this really happen?
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Speaker 1: And she did? And what's blood? What's blood? Wow? It
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Speaker 1: takes me back to third grade and the blood system
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Speaker 1: agreements I have with so many people in my Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The last time I had a blood agreement was with
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Speaker 1: Joy Jones in the third grade. We would be friends forever,
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Speaker 1: which we are, by the way. Okay, describe the cement hole.
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Speaker 1: I have said that you certainly would have needed a
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Speaker 1: ladder to get in and out of it. So it
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Speaker 1: was there, It was in his yard. He um, his
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Speaker 1: home is in but it's called known here is Otis Orchards.
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Speaker 1: It's a really nice, beautiful area. He has some land.
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Speaker 1: So if she did scream, it's very unlikely, you know,
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Speaker 1: anybody would have would have heard her. But this, this
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Speaker 1: hole was there on his property, a cement dark hole
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Speaker 1: that she she truly would have had, you know, no
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Speaker 1: means to get out of on her own. Okay, now
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Speaker 1: I need to shrink again. Doctor Sherry Schwartz joining US
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist. What is the point of forcing your love
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Speaker 1: object into a cement hole for hours on end that
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Speaker 1: they can't get out of they can die down there. Well,
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Speaker 1: it seems that for this individual there's a sexual charge
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Speaker 1: that he gets out of this. You know, this is
23:06
Speaker 1: about power and manipulation and control, and it seems to
23:11
Speaker 1: revolve around sex and how he gets aroused. And imagine
23:18
Speaker 1: how terrifying that is to most of the rest of
23:21
Speaker 1: us that are reading this and hearing that to Dan's Shilling,
23:24
Speaker 1: personal safety export, former special opts veteran and author of
23:29
Speaker 1: the Power of Awareness. You can find him at Dan
23:33
Speaker 1: Shilling books dot com. What about this girlfriend that would
23:37
Speaker 1: consent to this? Well, you know it's funny this sex
23:42
Speaker 1: live contract. Clearly it's not you're the JD. But it's
23:45
Speaker 1: not meant to be legally binding. It's meant to be
23:47
Speaker 1: psychologically binding. And this is how you subordinate people and
23:51
Speaker 1: you know, get them to do what you want. But
23:54
Speaker 1: you know, in this case, bondage or bunkers, I mean
23:56
Speaker 1: those are private life things. I think what really matters
24:00
Speaker 1: from a safety standpoint, and what we all have to ask,
24:02
Speaker 1: especially if you're the girlfriend, to your point is do
24:06
Speaker 1: I have a problem? Listen, getting into a bunker isn't
24:10
Speaker 1: really a sex game? That is a life threatening giveaway
24:16
Speaker 1: power over my body to somebody else. And she had
24:21
Speaker 1: to know intuitively, and you know me, I go back
24:23
Speaker 1: to the intuition all the time. It's the foundation for
24:25
Speaker 1: personal safety. She intuitively knew there were problems with him,
24:30
Speaker 1: which is why she suspected his burner phone, which is
24:32
Speaker 1: a junior varsity sort of clandestine attempt to mask things,
24:36
Speaker 1: was meant for other women, not for contacting somebody on
24:39
Speaker 1: the dark web, and she didn't take the action early
24:43
Speaker 1: enough that she could have. But fortunately she's coming forward
24:47
Speaker 1: to help with the case against this guy because he's
24:50
Speaker 1: doctor dirtbeg Oh, I like that name, Thank you, Dan Shelling.
24:53
Speaker 1: Astually Wilkin, I can tell you this, when we are
24:55
Speaker 1: talking about a burner phone, what that really is. It's
24:58
Speaker 1: just a disposable phone that you can get at gas stations.
25:03
Speaker 1: You can get them all over the place. You use
25:06
Speaker 1: it until you use up the minutes that are on it.
25:08
Speaker 1: It's like plastic, then you throw it away. It sounds
25:12
Speaker 1: so secretive and spylight, but you can get them. You
25:17
Speaker 1: know that's at the gas station, right absolutely. And not
25:20
Speaker 1: only that, you know secretive and spylight. Let me tell
25:23
Speaker 1: you my experience working in child's welfare. You know, unfortunately
25:27
Speaker 1: people that I know enjoy calling me with lots of
25:29
Speaker 1: questions about custody and issues they're having with their spouse.
25:33
Speaker 1: And let me just suggest that these burner phones, nine
25:36
Speaker 1: times out of ten are one of the very first
25:38
Speaker 1: things that spouse had find, whether it's the female or
25:40
Speaker 1: the male spouse, to give them a clue that something's amiss,
25:43
Speaker 1: that something's up, that's something secretive. And so A they're
25:48
Speaker 1: easy to be found, and I find people tend to
25:51
Speaker 1: put them somewhere that they are found by their spouse.
25:53
Speaker 1: And B it still has a data, it still has
25:57
Speaker 1: the information about what you've been doing on that phone,
26:00
Speaker 1: whether you're taking pictures, texting, or call it. You know,
26:02
Speaker 1: if I found a burner phone, I would immediately suspect
26:06
Speaker 1: wrongdoing because why would you need a burner phone? But
26:11
Speaker 1: it goes on. I want you to take a listen
26:14
Speaker 1: to our cut four. This is Felicia Bolton News Nation Now.
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Speaker 1: Photos inside of this core document revealed messages from the
26:22
Speaker 1: dark web from an anonymous person called Scar two one five.
26:26
Speaker 1: The post include targeting two victims. One message reads I
26:31
Speaker 1: need a rush job for next week. I need the
26:33
Speaker 1: target kidnap for five to seven days. While being held,
26:37
Speaker 1: she is given at least daily doses of heroin. The
26:41
Speaker 1: target should be given a significant beating that is obvious.
26:44
Speaker 1: It should injure both hands significantly or break the hands.
26:49
Speaker 1: I tried to attach a pick but it wouldn't load. Also,
26:53
Speaker 1: the team should plant heroin and use needles with her
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Speaker 1: DNA inside. After about seven days, she is returned to
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Speaker 1: her home. Special agents with the FBI say, the anonymous
27:03
Speaker 1: post came from doctor Ronald Craig, aim a spokeane neo
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Speaker 1: natal doctor. This is what is found on the dark web.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace to James Daniels with blocktrace
27:31
Speaker 1: dot com, explain what is the dark web? It's certainly
27:35
Speaker 1: not immune to the FBI know. The dark web is
27:38
Speaker 1: basically just a subset of the Internet, an area that
27:43
Speaker 1: requires specialized boftware to go and get to it, and
27:50
Speaker 1: it was designed to keep people in auneaments. Take a
27:54
Speaker 1: listen to news Nation now. According to the FBI to journalists,
27:58
Speaker 1: we're doing an investigation on the dark Web. When they
28:01
Speaker 1: came across a post, then they tipped off one of
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Speaker 1: the victims and law enforcement. Scott Agenbound is a former
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Speaker 1: special agent with the FBI and author of the Secret
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Speaker 1: to Cybersecurity, A simple plan to protect your family and
28:16
Speaker 1: business from cybercrime. Once you get on the dark web,
28:19
Speaker 1: it is the wild West and completely unregulated. Because as
28:23
Speaker 1: the dark web is primarily used for criminal activity, and
28:26
Speaker 1: without tips from the public, post on the dark web
28:29
Speaker 1: are hard for law enforcement to trace. The dark web
28:33
Speaker 1: is kind of like an open air bazaar where all
28:35
Speaker 1: the bad guys gravitate get together and they sell, they
28:40
Speaker 1: buy information, and also they'll sell anything. They'll sell services,
28:45
Speaker 1: they'll sell drugs, and it's a closed community. So the
28:49
Speaker 1: only way you can get in there is if you
28:51
Speaker 1: know someone who will vouch for you. Well, it certainly
28:54
Speaker 1: did not stop the FBI from finding very incriminating email
28:58
Speaker 1: solicitations by doctor Ild trying to get a quote rush
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Speaker 1: job and he needed two hits to Haley Gunter joining
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Speaker 1: us k HQTV. Yeah, two hits, two hits. One on
29:10
Speaker 1: a former employee, a former colleague. He wanted their hands
29:15
Speaker 1: to be broken. And then his wife and his ultimate goal,
29:19
Speaker 1: of course, he did want her, you know, pumped full
29:22
Speaker 1: of drugs, taught how to use the drugs herself, and
29:26
Speaker 1: then he wanted that all photographed so he could you know,
29:29
Speaker 1: blackmail her down the road. But you know, his ultimate
29:32
Speaker 1: goal with everything, with his wife was to get her
29:35
Speaker 1: to come back to him, even offering bonuses if she
29:39
Speaker 1: would sleep with him at least three times the first
29:43
Speaker 1: you know, couple of weeks that she returned to their
29:46
Speaker 1: to their marriage. So he was detailed and the details
29:50
Speaker 1: are are disturbing, to put it mildly, well, you're right
29:54
Speaker 1: about that. Take a listen to our cut six. The
29:57
Speaker 1: FBI says Ailed used coin based doc home to transfer
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Speaker 1: approximately fifty six thousand, three hundred eight dollars and twelve
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Speaker 1: cents and two escrow to pay for the assault of
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Speaker 1: victim one and for the plan to kidnap, assault, extort,
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Speaker 1: and drug victim two. One post reads he would also
30:16
Speaker 1: offer multiple bonuses, including one of up to ten thousand dollars,
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Speaker 1: if his kidnappers could get one of the victims to
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Speaker 1: return to your husband by asking to move back home
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Speaker 1: and sleep with him at least three times within the
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Speaker 1: two week time frame. When it comes to money, money
30:32
Speaker 1: is really easy to trace. That's why the bad guys
30:36
Speaker 1: make you pay that the ransom in bitcoins because bitcoins
30:40
Speaker 1: are untraceable wallets that are making a mainstream appearance today.
30:45
Speaker 1: And that's just part of it. Take listen to KRMT
30:49
Speaker 1: and newly unearthed documents. A user by the name of
30:52
Speaker 1: Scar two one five messaged a group on the Dark
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Speaker 1: Web to pay fifty thousand dollars in bitcoin to kidnap, assault,
30:59
Speaker 1: drug and extore a Spokane woman. I need the target
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Speaker 1: kidnap for five to seven days. While being held, she
31:05
Speaker 1: has given at least daily doses of heroin. She's also
31:09
Speaker 1: strongly persuaded to do a few things within two weeks.
31:12
Speaker 1: One stop all court proceedings. Two return to her husband
31:17
Speaker 1: in the chaos you created. Three tell absolutely no one
31:21
Speaker 1: about this. Federal prosecutors believe her estranged husband, Ronald Ilg,
31:27
Speaker 1: was that user and he didn't want to continue their divorce.
31:30
Speaker 1: Ilg is charged with attempted kidnapping after the FBI was
31:33
Speaker 1: tipped off about the plot by the woman. FBI special
31:37
Speaker 1: agent and key witness Ryan Butler testified today in the
31:40
Speaker 1: Suspects Preliminary and Attention Hearing that the wife was informed
31:44
Speaker 1: of the plot by the crew of an unnamed international
31:46
Speaker 1: news organization investigating the Dark West. Shout out to Joseph
31:50
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Jess Scott he
31:55
Speaker 1: was wanting her pumped full of heroin over and and over,
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Speaker 1: during which time she would be photographed using drugs, high
32:06
Speaker 1: on drugs, lying there pasted out on drugs. Hey, I
32:10
Speaker 1: wonder where the three year old sun was during all
32:14
Speaker 1: of this was supposed to be. But what does that
32:17
Speaker 1: do to a person to be kidnapped for seven to
32:20
Speaker 1: fourteen days and being popped full of heroin every day? Yeah,
32:24
Speaker 1: this makes it even more insidious, Nancy, because he is
32:27
Speaker 1: a physician. Remember he had to take a Hippocratic oath
32:30
Speaker 1: at some point in tom where he said that he
32:32
Speaker 1: would do no harm, Nancy, and this is the ultimate harm.
32:35
Speaker 1: And go back to what had earlier been stated. He
32:39
Speaker 1: had told these individuals she needed to be taught how
32:43
Speaker 1: to use this. What does that mean? Well, he's creating
32:46
Speaker 1: an addiction in her. Heroin is highly, highly addictive, So
32:51
Speaker 1: once she's blasted with that first dose, she's going to
32:54
Speaker 1: get really sick. But then this craving sets in where
32:57
Speaker 1: she has to have this fed constantly. He's a physician, Nancy,
33:02
Speaker 1: he understands that. And this is another thing. Heroin is
33:05
Speaker 1: not something that you're just going to be bought down
33:07
Speaker 1: to the pharmacy. And you know, and fill a script
33:11
Speaker 1: for it. This is something that's synthesized off of morphine,
33:13
Speaker 1: which is naturally occurring. Heroin is something that is at
33:17
Speaker 1: a street level. It's a very very dangerous drug. So
33:20
Speaker 1: that means that whoever these kidnappers that he was looking
33:23
Speaker 1: for would have gotten this dirty drug off of the street.
33:27
Speaker 1: He's a physician, keep that in mind, and he wants
33:29
Speaker 1: to have this injected into this poor woman's body. He
33:33
Speaker 1: lost show Scott, But I'm going to follow up with
33:35
Speaker 1: James Daniels, director of investigations at blocktrace dot com, expert
33:40
Speaker 1: on the dark web and cryptocurrency. You know, hold it, Ashley.
33:45
Speaker 1: First to you talking about what you may do one day,
33:49
Speaker 1: Oh I'm going to kill you. That's not a crime.
33:52
Speaker 1: But when you follow it up with an overt act.
33:57
Speaker 1: I use that phraseology because that is what is required
34:00
Speaker 1: by the law and overt act that makes it a
34:05
Speaker 1: real conspiracy, even if you're playing fails. And in this
34:10
Speaker 1: case we've gotten transferring fifty six thousand dollars absolutely, Nancy,
34:15
Speaker 1: And so a couple of things. Number one, the overt
34:17
Speaker 1: act that's transferring the money. Number two, that shows intent. Right,
34:21
Speaker 1: there's intent because you're committing that act to show that
34:25
Speaker 1: you are attempting to do it. And remember, even if
34:29
Speaker 1: a crime such as murder doesn't occur, but you plan it,
34:33
Speaker 1: there's still attempted murder, right, there's still attempted crimes. Those
34:37
Speaker 1: are crimes even if it doesn't come to fruition. So
34:39
Speaker 1: how does that happen? James Daniels with blocktrace dot com,
34:42
Speaker 1: how do you transfer nearly sixty thousand dollars on the
34:46
Speaker 1: dark web? Yeah, it's it's it's fairly easy to do.
34:50
Speaker 1: One of the clips that you had had talked about,
34:52
Speaker 1: you know, untraceable wallets and you know, one of the
34:55
Speaker 1: things that you know law enforcement and now in a
34:58
Speaker 1: private sector with blocktrace dot com, we are getting very
35:01
Speaker 1: good at doing that tracing. So criminals think that bitcoin
35:06
Speaker 1: is anonymous, they think the other knocked and you know,
35:10
Speaker 1: we've got the skill set to go through and trace
35:12
Speaker 1: that stuff, which is how and why the FBI was
35:15
Speaker 1: able to find who this was. Can you trace bitcoin
35:18
Speaker 1: as easily as you can trace money transfer three banks? Yes,
35:22
Speaker 1: yes you can, and it's you know, it's more difficult
35:27
Speaker 1: to trace cash. You know, back when I was working
35:30
Speaker 1: drug cases and people would conduct transactions in cash, it
35:33
Speaker 1: was much more difficult to trace that than it is
35:36
Speaker 1: to trace cryptocurrency. Well, cryptocurrency does have a footprint on
35:42
Speaker 1: the Internet, and so we use that along with other
35:46
Speaker 1: techniques to follow where it came from and where it
35:48
Speaker 1: went to. Why as if there is motivation to Healey
35:51
Speaker 1: Guther joining us KHQTV, why was he doing all of this?
35:57
Speaker 1: He wanted our backs, Nancy. It seems crazy, but his
36:01
Speaker 1: whole goal here was to get her to return to him,
36:05
Speaker 1: to make their marriage work. And he made it clear
36:08
Speaker 1: he had no intentions of giving up the girlfriend, but
36:12
Speaker 1: that's what he wanted. He wanted his wife home, He
36:14
Speaker 1: wanted their family back intact, and even made comments about
36:20
Speaker 1: his wife and girlfriend going shopping together at Costco. So
36:23
Speaker 1: he had this fantasy world that she obviously wanted no pardon,
36:30
Speaker 1: but he didn't want her dead. He didn't want her murdered.
36:32
Speaker 1: He just wanted her back to doctor Sherry Schwartz. I
36:37
Speaker 1: have not seen it, but I have seen snippets of it.
36:41
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of the reality show called Sister Wives?
36:45
Speaker 1: I have. I've never seen it either, but I know
36:47
Speaker 1: the concept, yes, where all these women are married to
36:50
Speaker 1: the same guy and they're all okay with that. Yes,
36:54
Speaker 1: So this was doctor Ilg's fantasy that the wife and
36:57
Speaker 1: the girlfriend would go shopping at Costco, and I guess
37:00
Speaker 1: be's own private harem. What is he thinking. Well, I
37:04
Speaker 1: think in the context of sister wives, there's a religious
37:07
Speaker 1: component to that, and this is what they believe religiously.
37:10
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying that it's okay. It would
37:12
Speaker 1: not be okay with me, but I'm not a member
37:15
Speaker 1: of that particular religious practice. In this case, it doesn't
37:19
Speaker 1: seem that this is uh, you know, something that God
37:24
Speaker 1: told him to do, but rather a remarkable lack of
37:28
Speaker 1: empathy for these women. He can't put himself in their
37:32
Speaker 1: shoes to sort out that that's not going to be
37:37
Speaker 1: okay with them that they are having. You know, in
37:40
Speaker 1: the wife's case, she's married to him. That implies that
37:44
Speaker 1: nobody's going outside of the relationship for sex or love
37:49
Speaker 1: or or anything, you know, romantic love or anything like that. So,
37:54
Speaker 1: you know, the behavior here is very sinister. You know
37:58
Speaker 1: what Joe Scott was saying before about shooting her up
38:01
Speaker 1: with heroin. In my mind, as a forensic psychologist and
38:04
Speaker 1: reviewing so many of these cases, I immediately thought. He's
38:08
Speaker 1: planning ahead to get evidence on her in case there's
38:10
Speaker 1: a custody battle, and so he can say to her,
38:14
Speaker 1: you can't leave me. You won't get your son, you
38:17
Speaker 1: won't get a penny from me. You have to stay
38:19
Speaker 1: with me and do what I want because I have
38:23
Speaker 1: this evidence that you used drug. You know, it's interesting,
38:26
Speaker 1: Hilly Gunther joining US investigative reporter k QTV that he
38:31
Speaker 1: says the point of it all was to get her
38:34
Speaker 1: to return to him. I don't know that I totally
38:37
Speaker 1: agree with that, even though that's what he is saying.
38:40
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut ten k HQ. The
38:45
Speaker 1: directions Ronald Ilg allegedly provided to a dark web hitman
38:49
Speaker 1: to kidnap his estranged wife is about the only thing
38:52
Speaker 1: that is clear and this stranger than fiction story. As
38:55
Speaker 1: outlining court dox il tried to hire a professional criminal
38:58
Speaker 1: to kidnap his wife. In part, the target destroyed two
39:02
Speaker 1: families and walked away as if she did nothing. I
39:04
Speaker 1: want the target kidnapped for seven days. While being held,
39:08
Speaker 1: she will be given injections of heroin at least two
39:10
Speaker 1: times per day. Exaccused of also encouraging the kidnapper. To quote,
39:14
Speaker 1: he use all means necessary to convince his wife to
39:17
Speaker 1: drop the divorce and come back to him. Doc state
39:20
Speaker 1: he wanted the kidnapping to occur while he and his
39:22
Speaker 1: girlfriend were in Mexico, so he was to put the
39:24
Speaker 1: marriage back together again. And he's plotting all this off
39:28
Speaker 1: on a vacation to Mexico with his girlfriend. To jump in,
39:34
Speaker 1: I have to this is Ashley. All I have to
39:36
Speaker 1: say is I don't believe he wanted her back either.
39:38
Speaker 1: He wanted to control the circumstances. He didn't like the
39:41
Speaker 1: way it was going. What's the best way to control it?
39:45
Speaker 1: Do this? And I absolutely don't think he wanted her back.
39:48
Speaker 1: He just have a control yeah, because he wanted her
39:50
Speaker 1: kidnapped and tortured. I don't care what he's saying now.
39:56
Speaker 1: I don't have to prove the motive in court. The
39:58
Speaker 1: state is not required to prove that the reality is
40:02
Speaker 1: that there is a trail a mile y between burner phones,
40:07
Speaker 1: his dark Web activity, and statements he has made to
40:11
Speaker 1: the girlfriend and to police. Hailey Gut Where does the
40:15
Speaker 1: case stand right now? You know he's still he's still
40:18
Speaker 1: in jail. Um here here we have this doctor, the
40:21
Speaker 1: successful doctor who had a remarkable career, and he has
40:25
Speaker 1: not been able to bail out of jail. He is
40:29
Speaker 1: awaiting trial. It was supposed to be um coming up
40:32
Speaker 1: this month, but it has been pushed to October. Of course,
40:35
Speaker 1: we anticipate it will likely get pushed back again, but
40:39
Speaker 1: he remains a spoken County jail inmates, and the investigation
40:44
Speaker 1: is just is continuing. I do know that his um
40:48
Speaker 1: and one of the court hearings, his first wife was
40:51
Speaker 1: there to kind of vouch for him and even was
40:54
Speaker 1: willing to provide, you know, a place for him to
40:56
Speaker 1: go while this whole thing continues to play out in
40:59
Speaker 1: the and the court system. But it's my understanding he
41:04
Speaker 1: was believed to be too much of a fight. There
41:06
Speaker 1: is no way this guy should get out on bond,
41:09
Speaker 1: flight risk plus a risk to the second wife and
41:14
Speaker 1: girl signed the two witnesses against him. We wait as
41:18
Speaker 1: justice unfolds. A neonatal doctor taken down by the FBI
41:23
Speaker 1: and his foiled plot to kidnap and torture his wife,
41:28
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace comes story, signing off goodbye friend,