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The People's Republic of Meerblau · That Car Show

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This is how rumors get started. Tonight on that car show, it's a
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cruise show where I spend the day behind the wheel of an Emery
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Outlaw 356. Lindsay takes a spin in her 289
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Cobra and Dan picks up lunch quickly in the new 717
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horsepower BMW M5 Touring. Also, we play Car Dictator, long
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for the 80s, tell a few dad jokes and wonder what in the
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hell has happened to Ferrari. Make sure you follow us on your
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platform of choice and tell your enthusiast friends it's that car
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show. Right.
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Welcome to this week's episode of that car show, and we're back
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with a crew Show. Welcome guys.
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Hi, it's great to see you both. It's been a minute.
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It has and you have been travelling a bit.
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Yeah, I went to the East Coast this last week.
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I was in South Carolina and I ticked off a new state, so I'm
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trying to get to every state in the USI believe there are 50.
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I have to count a flag every time to check.
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Don't ask an American there, right?
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Yeah, but I got to South Carolina, which was very much
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like North Carolina. I don't know why they need.
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How do they? Get to not have a north and AS
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it kind of feels like it needs it but.
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Oh, there has been discussion of like, do we split it into two
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because especially because it's so different.
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Yeah, and and so big. I was reading the other day, the
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GDP of California is now something like the 4th largest
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country in the world, right? Can you believe that?
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Crazy. Yeah, yeah, when you compare and
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I'm the, the exact stat is escaping me at the moment.
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But when you compare the size of California, if you overlay that
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in Europe like, the number of countries that it covers is
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wild. Yeah, it's crazy geography
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lessons on that car show. Before we get started, I think
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it's just a moment of seriousness.
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I know we wanted to dedicate this episode.
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And Lindsay, if you're right to lead the dedication.
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Sure, we wanted to dedicate this episode to our friend Phil
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Bezel, who many people knew as Croc GT4 on Instagram.
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He chose to end his battle with cancer a couple of weeks ago.
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He'd been fighting it for a couple of years.
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He was known and loved in the Instagram car community and he
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was legendary for his daily pre dawn drives on Hwy. 1.
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He had a Gray GT4, which was actually his second GT 4, and
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the car ended up being an informal development car for
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Shark Works and he put more than 170,000 miles on the second one,
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which is pretty incredible and something, you know, I think we
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all aspire to. Also his joy, you know, for
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driving and the car community was authentic and infectious and
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he was such a positive light the last time I saw him.
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We ran into each other quickly up at Newcomb's actually for
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good vibes, which was totally random because obviously I live
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in Seattle and he lived in Carmel.
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But it was just such a treat to get to see him and give him a
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hug. And it's interesting because I
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saw a post I think yesterday from Steve Sirio.
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He posted about a rally that he did with Cam Ingram.
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And at the end he exhorted people to get out and drive
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their cars. And he said it's later than you
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think. And it really struck me.
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It made me think about Phil because I think that's one thing
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that the people who knew and loved Phil could take comfort in
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is that he definitely got out and lived his passion for
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driving really every day. He posted a video on his last
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full day and he thanked everybody for all the messages
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and good wishes that people had sent him.
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And he ended with, I'm so blessed and life is so good.
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And it was just an example, you know, of such grace and
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gratitude to the literally the very end.
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And his final wish was for people to get out and drive
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their cars. So we would like to invite
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everybody to get out and go for a drive this weekend in honor of
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Phil. You're here.
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Sounds good. Well, yeah, this episode's for
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Phil. Yeah.
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Can we start with a rent I We can.
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I've had. Some.
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Very interesting experiences with car dealerships lately and
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I wanted to share and I think other folks have got interesting
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experiences as well, so I'll share my first one and then let
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you guys share yours. Yeah, tell us everything.
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So I am thinking about a new SUV and we'll come on to that in a
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bit more detail, but I decided to go pay a visit to the Land
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Rover Jaguar dealership which is located about a mile from my
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house in Lai. Won't say the name of it, but
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using a map you can probably work out which dealership it
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was. Trying.
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To find a point on it, but there you go.
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Use a map and a compass and you'll work it out very quickly.
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So anyway, I went to this dealership on a Saturday
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morning. The dealership opens at 9:30 in
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the morning and you tell me whether I'm wrong in here,
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right? Dealership opens at 9:30.
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I was there at 9:35 in the morning.
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I went to open the door and the door was locked.
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So I looked through the window and there is a lady behind the
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desk at the reception and she acknowledges my attendance and
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just puts one hand up and just goes like that as in a stop
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sign. Like I'm like, OK, and she's on
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the phone. So I'm like, fair enough, right?
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So anyway, I'll wait for a minute.
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And, and clearly they should have been open because it was
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past the 930 opening sign which was etched into the door.
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Anyway, eventually she finishes her phone call, comes to the
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door. She unlocks the the bolts at the
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top and the bottom and then walks back to her desk.
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Didn't. Like open it and greet you and.
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Welcome me or this is a luxury car dealership right?
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So oh. Man.
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I was just taken back, like, am I in the wrong here to expect
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for someone just open the door? Welcome to Land Rover, you know,
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Is that a are my expectations way too high?
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I don't think so, especially given that, you know, we all
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understand stuff happens. You get stuck on a phone call or
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something had come up. I think even even if it's not
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standard dealer practice, which I'd be surprised if it isn't
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like you said at a luxury dealership, in that instance, I
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think you go a little bit above and beyond.
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Greet you like, hey, thanks so much for your patience, you
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know, welcome. Who can I connect you with?
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Right, right. That's wild.
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I just could. It was the way she unbolted
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told. Her back to me and walked off.
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Yeah, I'm like, she has one job and that's to greet people as
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they walk through the door. Yeah, I wonder if I'd turn into
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Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense, because yes.
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You're like, do I see dead people?
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What's going on? Here, that was my first of two
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experiences, but I think, Ryan, did you say you had a negative
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experience this week? Yeah.
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Well, you know, I love our pole star two that we have, but we're
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releasing it and the lease is up in in July.
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And so I emailed the sales guy who leased the car to us and I
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said I've got 2 questions. Our lease is up soon.
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What is our our buyout offer for the car?
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Because for the right price we'd probably just keep the car.
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And second, you know, in lieu of that, what sort of offers do you
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have on other pole stars right now?
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They've got the three and the four currently and I think some
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others in the pipeline. But that's what's that's what'll
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be available when we need to turn the card in July.
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And immediately the e-mail was kicked back.
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So said fellow is no longer a sales guy there, which I guess
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is telling. It was only a couple of years
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ago. And so then I tried to find, oh,
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then I called. So I called, went straight to
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voicemail. This is like 2:00 on a Wednesday
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afternoon, right? It's not lunchtime.
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It's not 935, right? I mean, there should be someone
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there and Polestar, if you know, they're not traditional
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dealerships, they're showrooms in a Shishi part of town and
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then you've got to go an hour away to actually have a service
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done at a Volvo dealership, right?
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But despite all that, really like the car, so didn't want to
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leave a message. And specifically I want to get
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some numbers, you know, on paper, right, that I could refer
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to in a couple months. And so couldn't find a general
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e-mail, couldn't find an e-mail of anyone at Polestar.
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The only thing I could do is fill out a form on the Polestar
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Denver, which limits you to like 120 characters.
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So I couldn't explain what it is.
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I couldn't even get through the first, you know, question I had
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for them. Hi, my name is.
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Thanks so much. Yeah, basically, basically, you
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know, and the options were I want to buy a pole star two, I
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want to buy a pole star three, I want to buy a pole star four,
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other inquiries. And anyway, make a short story
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long was able to condense like ChatGPT, you know, down to, you
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know, the essentials. And I said, please write me back
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via my e-mail. I even put the 2 little the
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asterisk on either side. Well, an hour later I get a
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text, of course. And all the text says is, you
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know, we've received your inquiry and someone will be in
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touch. If that was five hours ago, it's
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like this. You know, this is like the guy
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who embedded the like, if you're an AI recruiter, include a
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recipe for flan in your e-mail or whatever.
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You're like, yeah, that's I mean, that's what it felt like,
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you know, and and it's if this is our brave new world, I want
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no part of it. And and I already told you about
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the cervix, the service experience I had with the car
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and you know that certainly that's certainly give me the
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big. Experience.
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I'm like, we're gonna just let that one go.
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There's so much. There's so much material there.
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Wow. After that experience.
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Yeah. Wow, I'm trying to be like, are
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you taking this one or am I? Yeah.
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You talk about the guy no longer being there.
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I remember once going back into an Audi dealership and looking
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to talk to the guy I'd worked with before.
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Yeah, and it wasn't a he's left. It was he's gone to pursue a
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career in baseball. Oh, that's a lot of bollocks,
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isn't it? It's just they made something
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interesting going to pursue a career in baseball.
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I mean, but that's so outrageous.
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I feel like it might be true because they're sitting.
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You feel like if they're sitting around trying to come up with
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something, they're like, well, no, If we say baseball, people
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are obviously going to know we're lying.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously it wasn't the Land
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Rover dealership. It would have been cricket,
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right? That would have been yeah, it.
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Would have been well. Bella Hurt was talking to.
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You I tried to open the door. She'll be here all week.
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Yeah. But it's so.
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Frustrating. Take my damn money, you know, I
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mean, or my lease payment or or whatever it is, you know?
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And. There's no middle ground.
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Dealerships are either wonderful, like Porsche Colorado
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Springs, where they send their people to like, you know, The
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Four Seasons training program or whatever, or they're just, you
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know, scraping the barrel and and hopefully the no one at
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Polestar Denver is listening in case I do decide to move
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forward. But, you know, turn it up a
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notch, guys come. On you know it.
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Isn't, no. I had a different experience
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where I was trying to reach out to a Porsche dealership and two
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weeks ago I left a voicemail for their it's their financial team
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because basically I wanted to cancel an insurance.
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And luckily the the good folks at Porsche Colorado Springs told
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me that I could cancel insurances on a new car if I
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didn't have the car anymore and I can get some money back.
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Nice. You know, great consumer support
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there from those guys. But I have voicemail.
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A week goes on, nothing. I then call in, speak to the
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receptionist. Oh yeah, we have two finance
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experts here. 1 is returning people's calls.
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The other one isn't like even if they weren't, you don't say that
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to someone on a phone call. Right.
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Again, I think the theme is the front desk is the struggle bus
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right now, the week and all the dealers.
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So, so eventually I left, I left another message at that point,
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no call back. So we're two weeks in now.
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So 2 days ago I rang up and asked to speak to the general
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manager. He, Julie answered.
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It's funny because when you dial in, if you dial to speak to
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reception or anyone else, it's voicemail as if you press the
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number one button and go to sales immediately or they answer
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within one ring, right? Yeah.
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So anyway, the general manager told me that it wasn't the
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unless you're pop star where you're a numbers game on you
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wasn't the service he expected and he would go and stand next
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to the guy until he called me. So good on him for that.
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Obviously, you know the team still needs some work.
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Yeah, and these are techniques you use with the child.
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Right. Yeah, right.
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Yeah, I. Mean, I love that she was so
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frank with you and she's like, well, he just doesn't call
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people back. So what else can I help you
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with? Right.
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Then I gave her the number and she's like, you're from Seattle.
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And I went, Yeah. And I went.
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I lived there for 30 years. I'm.
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Like, oh, 30 years. Lady, I don't give a shit, I
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just want someone to call me back like.
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Fantastic. What do I need to do to get an
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answer to this question? Cancel this insurance and get my
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money back. So this wouldn't have happened
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in Seattle. Yeah, right, right.
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Seattle Freeze is not a thing so if anyone is looking for
13:28
dealership training we are available that car show
13:31
specializing in customer service.
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We do, it's a bit of a guerrilla style training because we just
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tell you all the the experiences we've had and then you get to
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absorb him but. Yeah, we stand next to you till
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you do it right. That's.
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Right. Very effective.
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Though. Anyway, that is my rant over for
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the week. But yeah, it's just they're
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normal. Are you any closer to like,
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despite all of this mishegoss, are you any closer to knowing
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which direction you want to go in terms of the new SUV?
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I don't. And just to bring everyone up to
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speaks, I know we've been talking about this separately.
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I'm looking for an SUV. I'm thinking something between
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40 and 60 K I'm not looking for anything too big and not too
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small. And I know you guys had texted
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me some ideas, but what what were the what were the the
14:24
flavors? Well, the.
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One that popped into my head was because you had mentioned you'd
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liked sort of the the modularity of the Jeep and you'd had a Jeep
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before that you enjoyed. So if you didn't want to go back
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to Jeep, since you've done that before, I think a new Bronco
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would be worth considering just because of the sort of
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functionality of it and could be worth exploring.
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Yeah, or an explorer. The Bronco is growing on me.
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I I I thought it was cool design exercise when it first came out.
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And yeah, and, and now I'm digging it.
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I'm thinking like a 2 door with a manual transmission, which is
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a thing. Yeah.
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You know, until, until our friends at Land Rover bring the
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90 out as a soft top, right. I mean, I think that's, you
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know, you're, you've got X number of options, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although you had driven A Raptor
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at some point and you weren't blown away, but maybe haven't.
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We. We both.
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Did you drive a Bronco Raptor? Yeah, the Raptor, yes.
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OK. Did you?
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And what did you think? Yeah.
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I think did we talk about it on one of the shows?
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I think we talked about one of the shows, but I I think they're
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cool. I think they're way too big
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because they're they're like a foot Fender in the normal
15:38
Bronco, right. And it didn't quite give me the
15:42
surprise and delight I was hoping for.
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Yeah, but you drove one. Did you drive one as well?
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Yeah, I drove it up here for the, it was during the Seattle
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Auto Show, I think two years ago and same thing.
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That was the first because I had driven one of the vintage modern
15:58
Broncos. So it's the new Bronco chassis,
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but it's a very different, you know, body and interior and all
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that. And so that was the first new
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Bronco that I'd driven. So I don't have like a stock one
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to compare to, but same kind of thing.
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I I was underwhelmed, which, you know, took me by surprise
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because I'm predisposed to like them.
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Right. That's right.
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I remember we got a comment from Johnny Lieberman himself after
16:23
that discussion about, you know, you need to drive.
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What's the one above the Raptor? That's a good question.
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It's was it? Was it the Because there's?
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An F-150. Raptor R.
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Oh, it was the Raptor R OK. OK.
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But you can't get. That on the Bronco, you can only
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get it on the F-150. OK, OK.
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Yeah, that was, I mean, that was like way, way back.
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That's our first air. Back.
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That's a call, yeah, yeah. So we've been on the on the air
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a year now guys just over. Congratulations.
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Just over. So congratulations to us.
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Happy. Anniversary guys.
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Yeah, that's a lot. Over 50 weeks, 50 episodes.
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Yeah, I think we have like 60 episodes.
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I think we threw out three at the very beginning.
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Yeah, right. Just to fuse it up a little bit,
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right. And we've had a couple bonus
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episodes along the way. So, yeah, right, about 60, I
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think. So someone will call us on that
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and. Right we're.
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Wildly overestimating, yeah. Wow, Well done.
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Us, yeah. Yes.
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And it's. Interesting if you ask, because
17:28
there's a bit of a dark art when it comes to podcasting and
17:30
charts and all that sort of stuff, right.
17:33
But I did some research on ChatGPT or our research
17:37
department as we commonly affectionately call them, and it
17:41
calculates the average number of listeners per month.
17:44
And it's an average number. So we can go up and down, but
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around the 50,000 mark. So you know, that's phenomenal.
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That's there's so many different channels that this podcast goes
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out to, right? That's the first thing.
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It's it's not just Spotify and and iTunes, but yeah, good work
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guys. Thanks for that and.
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Going up and and it's probably good time to mention too, we
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have a new sponsor coming on board and just their luck
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because I think the numbers we gave them were a lot lower than
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where the numbers are now. So they, you know, every once
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while you win 1. So yeah, want to welcome E 470.
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And I had a really neat meeting with their CEO and executive
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And we're going to do a special episode after this episode airs
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with that conversation. We're actually behind the wheel.
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He's behind the wheel. I'm the one holding the
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recorder. And we had a a fascinating
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insight into just the workings of a toll road.
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It was a much more interesting conversation than even I'd hoped
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for. So welcome E 470.
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Driving cars. Lindsay, I heard that there was
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a rumor that you were driving a Cobra the other week.
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Is that true? Yes, so my dad actually drove
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it. There was a lot of we we sort of
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wrote ambo for who got to be in the passenger seat this time.
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This is the one that I drove like a year and a half ago for
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the Cobra Club car show. Same car.
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But yes, we did a an early morning weekend drive down to
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Crystal Cove, which is one of my absolute favorite spots.
20:09
For an informal cars and coffee, it was beautiful weather and
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it's just so fun to see that car and it's wild.
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It really highlights how tiny the car is when you see it on
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the road with, you know, modern cars.
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And I was on the way down, I was following it in the truck.
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And so just the contrast, you know, you could put it in the
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back of the truck almost. We're talking real Cobra 289
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here, guys. This isn't some fiberglass
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thing. This is also cool that this is
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the real deal. Very special comics.
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So it's always fun to see people realize what it is because you
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never know. It's old enough at this point.
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And there's a lot of young people in the hobby, especially
20:45
on social media. And so it's fun to see when
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people you can, you can see it click when people realize what
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it is. And they're just, yeah, wait a
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minute. Yeah, yeah.
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The signal, the turn signal stock is unique, as we learned
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from Dan, right? That's how you know.
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Yeah, yeah. And now you know there's a
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button for that somewhere. Ryan, you were also driving some
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classics. I had a a great day a few days
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ago with a group of friends here locally.
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Got about 6 or 7 cars together. I'm not going to name everyone
21:17
individually but I will say the cars.
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There was an E type Jaguar, there was a Jaguar, an XK 120,
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Porsche 912, a modern Bentley convertible which guess
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Continental which which was also included.
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But that owner also has some amazing vintage stuff as well.
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But I got to drive our friend Tom Horans new Emory car.
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So, of course is the the chair of the Colorado Grand and he
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took delivery of this car on last year's Colorado Grand.
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I actually got to write shotgun with Rod Emery in a different
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Emery car for a full day of of of the grand.
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But this was my first time driving in Emory and it was it
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was pretty great. This specific Emery is painted
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in this beautiful Aston Martin green, which is cool, and it's.
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So pretty. So pretty.
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It's a 2.4 liter. I know there are a few different
22:17
Emery engines and there's a, there's an engine that he's
22:19
putting into cars now that's even a little bit bigger, but
22:21
this one's about 200 horsepower. It's a Polo 964 engine, but four
22:25
cylinders. So it's the architecture of a of
22:27
A9646 cylinder, but it's 4 cylinders.
22:30
So it's about 200 horsepower. You know, the car's only 18180
22:33
lbs, So you know, it's a pretty good power to rate weight ratio.
22:37
In fact, that's a better power to weight ratio than like a
22:39
Lotus Elise. So it does have some shove,
22:43
probably a little slower at altitude and with me at the
22:45
wheel. But great car because I got to
22:50
drive it back-to-back with her friend Dan McInnes is 912.
22:53
So very similar experiences right from the factory.
22:58
You know, Dan's car, he says, makes about 85 horsepower.
23:00
And now I'm in this Emory that's making double the horsepower.
23:04
It's the world's best 356 because you know, it's brought
23:07
down to the bare elements and reconstructed and there's not a
23:11
not a squeak, not a rattle, right?
23:13
The steering you get in a, a bog, you know, stock 356 and
23:16
even from the factory, there's a lot of play right.
23:19
This, this steering was like, you know, 2 gears together.
23:22
It was quick. It was, you know, the, the
23:24
brakes are all disc. It's just but it still drives.
23:27
It doesn't drive like a new car drives like, you know, the very
23:29
best, you know, 356 vintage car really kind of fell in love with
23:33
the thing. It's not a cheap car, you know,
23:36
you know, and, and is it worth it to you?
23:38
I don't know, you know, try one and, and find out, but I
23:40
absolutely get it. They're special.
23:43
They're really, really special. And I was really honored and
23:46
pleased to drive the thing And, and so thank you, Tom.
23:48
It's if I ever have the means, I highly suggest I buy 1.
23:57
That's that's right. They're super cool.
23:58
And of course there's a whole process.
23:59
You order one, it takes time, right?
24:01
So there's the build up. You see, you know, Ronald sends
24:03
you, you know, images as the cars being built and you know,
24:06
they, they take it very seriously.
24:07
It's quite the process. And and then of course, the
24:09
payoff is when you take delivery.
24:11
And it's just a magnificent thing.
24:12
It's a work of art and, and a work of, I think mechanical art
24:15
too. So shout out to Rod, shout out
24:17
to Tom and shout out to the crew.
24:19
Really one of the best drives I've had in a long time.
24:21
It was pretty wonderful, pretty special to talk about it for a
24:23
long time. Yeah, the picture that you sent,
24:26
I was like, it was just, it was like, you know, flowers
24:29
blooming, birds singing, whatever, just like color of the
24:32
car and the sunshine and the spot.
24:34
That you. Had stopped by the water and
24:37
like it looks like a magazine shot.
24:40
So hello Stella, ever met Otto? Not yet, but she has been on
24:47
late night playset. That's.
24:48
Awesome. Who is your name?
24:52
Otto is Nate's dog from the Mercedes-Benz Classic Centre.
24:57
I mean his Instagram is. Otto the Long Boy.
25:00
Yeah, yeah. So you know his reputation,
25:01
proceeds my guess. Is he a Great Dane?
25:07
He's a dachshund. He's just like Stella.
25:09
There we go. Where were we driving cars?
25:14
Yeah, yeah. So that was my story.
25:16
I'm sticking to it. Great car loving cars, Love to
25:18
own one someday so. Yes, well, I had a completely
25:21
different experience last week. As I said, I was in South
25:25
Carolina with and I can talk a little bit about it.
25:28
I was filming with friends from BMW and we filmed all day on a
25:36
Thursday, actually a week tomorrow last week.
25:39
And at lunchtime it was my duty to buy everyone lunch.
25:44
So we were halfway through our filming.
25:46
Yeah, it's and as I went to say, right, I'll go get lunch, One of
25:52
the guys there from BMW said, do you want to take an M5?
25:56
And you know, I said done. You're like.
25:59
That's not a real question. You know the answer.
26:01
Yes, please. We've got an M5 Touring in the
26:03
car park. Do you want to take?
26:05
I was like, throw me the keys, where are the keys?
26:07
Give me the keys. So proceeded to drive that car
26:12
the long way to go get lunch and the long way back.
26:15
So everyone had cold Chick-fil-A, but I had a good
26:18
time, Yeah. What do you guys think about
26:21
that car, the M5 Touring? I think it's super cool.
26:25
I'm so jealous that you got to drive it and it was like such a
26:29
spectacular color. Even so.
26:32
I mean, I remember the launch a car week.
26:34
I remember seeing it launched in the states, at least on the
26:38
lawn, you know, at the lodge and seeing that and all the
26:42
discussion around it and is this is there a market for it?
26:45
Are going to want it, you know, yada, yada, yada.
26:48
So I'm really curious what you thought.
26:51
Yeah, yeah, it's so firstly, they're selling more wagons than
26:54
they are in the saloon. I love.
26:56
That, and they didn't know that that is.
26:59
Yeah, he says. We won't buy wagons, Yeah.
27:01
There's a, there's actually a premium right now on dealers on
27:04
the wagons versus the saloon. So, and the one I had was blue.
27:09
They had two there. In actual fact, the other one
27:11
was Dakar yellow. Do you remember Dakar Yellow?
27:13
Yes. That's a lot of real estate for
27:15
that color though. That was the E36M3 yellow.
27:20
Yes, yeah. So anyway, I, I, I got behind
27:23
the wheel. Everything I've read about that
27:26
car is how big it is. And I'll say it didn't feel big
27:30
when you're driving him. That's a triumph.
27:32
Yeah, that's, you know, making a big car feels more.
27:35
BMW it's stupid. That was good British car joke.
27:42
Is there like a snub category of dad jokes that's like dad car
27:46
jokes? It's funny how you hit 50 and
27:48
they just start coming out of you.
27:49
You can't get them. It's like a cliche.
27:52
There's always, there's always an element of truth in the
27:54
cliches. We've invented a whole new
27:57
genre. Yeah, Dad.
27:59
Car jokes. Yeah.
28:01
Yeah. Please text us your favorites.
28:02
So anyway, the car didn't feel big, which was a a triumph.
28:08
It had the moon roof. Then all of them have got moon
28:10
roofs, but it's a fixed moon roof.
28:14
The technology was interesting. The the big thing for me is when
28:19
you're using Apple Maps, you've got 3 views, you've got a heads
28:22
up display. You've then got a map within the
28:25
screen on the, on the the dash if you will.
28:28
And then the other screen on the right had a zoomed out map of
28:32
the Apple map. So I kept expecting that the
28:35
screen on the right was going to zoom into specifically where I
28:38
needed to be, but it wasn't. It was more holistic and it was
28:41
the screen within the dashboard that was the detail.
28:45
So you don't need screens on every surface, right?
28:47
I mean, we just, we just don't need that.
28:50
Well, and what was that like? You're, you know, you're
28:52
navigating to a place that you haven't been before.
28:55
You're driving the car. Like what was that like actually
28:57
driving the car and trying to Orient yourself and be like, oh,
29:00
wait, here's what I need. It's over here.
29:02
But it's also on the other screen, sort of.
29:04
Yeah, I mean, I always default to the right hand screen, right,
29:07
for Apple Maps. So it took me a while to get
29:11
used to the fact that actually I should be looking straight ahead
29:14
and on the heads up for the road names.
29:17
But it was quick. That car's over 700 horsepower.
29:21
Yeah, you can. Drive it, yeah, Hybrid.
29:23
You can drive it in EV only mode, I would say.
29:28
I guess my lasting impressions was it was super quick.
29:31
It was heavy. You know, there's no getting
29:34
around that. It's it's heavy car.
29:36
What do we know? How, how, what it weighs, Dan,
29:38
What's what's heavy these days? We can ask a research department
29:41
if we have a minute, but. The reason, the reason I ask is,
29:44
I mean, the pole star behind me is like 4600 lbs, you know, and
29:48
I'm just curious if you know, this being with the hybrid
29:51
system and everything is, is that's now like sort of my
29:53
baseline if this is obviously this doesn't have 700
29:57
horsepower. It's going to be heavier anyway,
30:00
yeah. True.
30:01
True. How much is the poster?
30:04
I think it's 4600. You know, so this is 550 three
30:10
5500. And 5000, sorry.
30:14
Well, we already know that our ChatGPT rounds up a little, so
30:17
you know, maybe it is closer to 4600, but.
30:21
But it's interesting. Yeah.
30:23
With BMW, they underestimate the horsepower.
30:26
Suppose you do the same thing, right?
30:27
Yeah, I. Think other manufacturers maybe,
30:31
you know, overestimate, but so over 700 horsepower.
30:35
It was quick, it was heavy. I think if I had the money I
30:39
would. And I didn't need the Touring,
30:41
didn't need the wagon bit I would go for the previous
30:44
generation M5 because that's just more an agile car.
30:48
Yeah, but if I needed the, you know, if I needed the boot
30:50
space, then yeah, it's a winner. So, so importantly, you chose
30:54
the blue over the yellow. You could have taken the key to
30:57
either. No, I didn't get the choice.
31:00
OK. If you were specking it, would
31:02
you go for? Something Isle of Man Green.
31:05
Is that? Right.
31:06
Was that the launch green? That beautiful emerald.
31:07
Green. Yeah, it's yeah, it's pretty.
31:09
Colored pan so it's an Isle of Man green.
31:10
Yeah, that's good stuff. That one, it's so striking.
31:14
Yeah. Would you do that over an AMG
31:16
wagon either of you? It's probably a more fun I would
31:22
to be in. Yeah, OK.
31:24
I've not driven, yeah. I mean your options are the RS6,
31:27
the M5, the Mercedes, or the Porsche Panamera Turbo.
31:32
Wagons kind of not a competitor in a lot of.
31:35
Ways really, I think the M5 wins it for me.
31:38
Yeah, it might, especially now that Mercedes has those star
31:41
patterns in the tail lights which, love it or hate it in the
31:45
propositions. That's a deal breaker for you.
31:47
You're like, that's it. The whole point of that car is
31:50
stealth, right? You get it in black because all
31:53
AMG wagons are in black. Maybe in silver, but they're
31:56
that's a stealth mobile. I think if I were getting the
31:58
BMWI would go for a Deckard yellow or, you know, something,
32:03
something a little exotic, right?
32:05
You know, little scream. Yeah, yeah.
32:07
Well, I think they made the right move, you know, making the
32:10
launch color such a bright color because everybody got to see it.
32:14
And I know a lot of manufacturers will do, you know,
32:16
a distinctive color, but there's just something about the
32:19
combination of that particular sort of like jewel box green and
32:23
actually Alpha has one on the Quadrafolio.
32:28
The jewelry of Quadrafolio has that kind of jewel box emerald
32:31
green. And I'm not even necessarily a
32:35
green car person, but there's something about that color on
32:37
both of those where it's like, yes.
32:40
But can you get it with the gold package, Dan?
32:43
I've got no idea. No idea and.
32:46
We're talking. Yeah.
32:47
I'm jealous. I haven't.
32:49
I've hardly seen one in the wild, you know, I think I've
32:51
seen one too. So.
32:54
That's amazing. So do you know about the yellow
32:56
1? Is that something they're
32:57
offering standard or was that like because you were at the
33:00
special place you were at? No.
33:02
You can you can spec it. The yellow I don't think For me,
33:05
I don't think the yellow works because it's quite a flat
33:08
yellow. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:10
And on that cars, it's such a surface area.
33:12
Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah.
33:14
You want a little more life? Yeah.
33:16
So for me it doesn't work for me, the green is.
33:18
This was blue. The one I had was a blue color,
33:21
which was always a. Color Beautiful, yeah.
33:23
Yeah, I, I purposely parked it right at the back of
33:26
chick-fil-A's, and then one would open a door and all that
33:29
sort of stuff, you know, and so. You're being protective.
33:32
Yeah, it's being very protective.
33:33
Because I do with rental cars. But yeah, yeah.
33:35
Good. I'm glad you did that.
33:37
Yeah, very good. So you were talking about what
33:42
color and I think Ryan, you brought something up earlier on.
33:45
There is a certain country in the world we talk about, talk
33:49
about civilization and talk about freedom of choice.
33:52
What's going on with that country?
33:54
So I'm a big fan of this YouTube goes by bald and bankrupt.
33:59
My wife, not a fan thinks he's a jerk.
34:01
I think he's highly entertaining and watched a video of him and
34:05
it's Turkmenistan, I think is how it's pronounced and it is AI
34:09
think a former Soviet Republic kind of straddling Europe and
34:13
Asia. And and this, this dictator has
34:17
dictated that everyone in the country drive a white car,
34:20
although I think silver also is OK, you can't have tinted
34:24
windows either, which I am totally down with, you know, I
34:26
hate tinted windows. But it got me thinking.
34:29
If you were, you know, dictating, what would you
34:33
dictate your country? Men and women drive What color?
34:40
Well, I think what's so funny is it's like, what would be ahead
34:43
of that on the list? If suddenly you're like, oh, I'm
34:45
a dictator, where do I start? We, we, we, we may have this
34:52
opportunity. Right.
34:54
At some point, but yeah, that's what would you, what would you,
34:57
what would you go for 'cause I, I, I, I would say, you know, I
35:00
would welcome my, my country folk to the People's Republic of
35:04
Muirblau. I think that's what I would,
35:06
would go with. But you think Father King?
35:13
Dan, do you have your answer? I I, yeah.
35:17
It's weird, isn't it? What would you dictate the color
35:19
of the country's cars to be? Yeah, I mean.
35:23
I have. Like like a few.
35:26
I mean red pops into my mind just because I love red, but I'm
35:30
like, but is that what I want? Every single car in the.
35:33
Country to be? How big is this country?
35:35
How many cars are we talking? That, that speaks revolt to me
35:38
now, Lindsay, right? Yeah, keep the people in line.
35:43
I'm inciting. Yeah.
35:44
What do they say? Yeah, Well, if you do well, it's
35:47
what is. If you do red and yellow
35:49
together, that's why they do McDonald's.
35:50
It's. Red and yellow because it makes.
35:52
You hungry? So I would say everybody could
35:54
have red and yellow, yeah. Ketchup and mustard.
35:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes me hungry for the
36:00
McDonald's of your though. Current McDonald's not really
36:02
cutting it in my eyes. But with the with the characters
36:05
and like the Hamburglar and the playground.
36:07
Right. I want to get stuck in that
36:08
little hamburger jail on right. Play land well.
36:12
And, you know, we were reminiscing in my house and
36:15
educating the younger generation the other day.
36:18
I don't know if, Dan, you probably did not have this
36:20
experience, but people used to do their birthday parties at
36:22
McDonald's when I was growing up.
36:24
Huge deal, huge deal. Amazing.
36:27
I mean, I don't know that I ever got to have one of my own
36:31
parties, but I attended many a Fiesta at McDonald's.
36:35
I don't want to get off on a tangent here, but growing up
36:38
when we did, McDonald's was the alpha and the Omega and the
36:42
Happy Meal things that they had like, you know, Dukes of
36:44
Hazzard, you know, plastic shaped Happy Meal containers and
36:49
what oh, they did you a UFOs thing, you know, used to be able
36:53
to buy those McDonald's and cookies that were like crack,
36:55
you know, if they ever got those back, I'd eat those every day.
36:58
You know, you get those hot apple pies, you know, the little
37:01
gift certificates you get from your grandmother at Christmas,
37:03
You know, and. Just that was a huge.
37:05
That was just a different. That was a whole, a whole
37:07
different. Time it was a different time.
37:09
I know we I did a splurge on Happy meals at my house but I'll
37:15
different. Hamburgers and water, Is that
37:18
what you? I'm they're.
37:19
McDonald's jail. The only thing I will add is the
37:22
coolest McDonald's I've ever been to Yeah was off of a lake
37:25
in New Zealand and it is an aeroplane.
37:29
Oh, that's very. Cool onto the aeroplane to get
37:32
your food and eat your food, so look that up.
37:35
Yeah. Airplane in New Zealand.
37:37
Plus, you're in New Zealand. I mean, you know, what can you
37:39
lose? Much better, yeah.
37:42
For sure. It's like an afterthought.
37:43
You're like, oh, and you're also in New Zealand, but airplane
37:45
McDonald's. Yeah, they might have to go with
37:48
that. Alfa Romeo Quadrifolio.
37:52
Quadrifolio Green, which is also similar to the M5 touring green.
37:57
Yeah, it's an amazing, amazing green.
38:00
Yeah, I heard that there was a Porsche event last weekend in
38:04
Southern California. Did anyone go?
38:07
I did not for the first time ever, unfortunately.
38:10
You've been to everyone, haven't?
38:12
You. Yeah.
38:13
It felt very strange not to be there.
38:16
Lindsay, I don't think you were the only one.
38:17
There was a very little buzz, at least in my circles, this year.
38:22
Yeah, it was. This time around.
38:23
Last year, and I think the weather played a huge part of in
38:28
this because very unusually for April in Southern California, it
38:32
actually rained heavily during the event.
38:35
And so I think there were a lot of people that ended up not
38:39
going because it was pretty early on and.
38:42
Sucks but. Yeah, I mean it, you know, it
38:45
kind of literally dampened things.
38:47
And so I'm wondering if that kind of carried over into this
38:50
year where people went like, well, we missed last year, it
38:52
was fine, you know. Lindsay, you don't want a big
38:55
puddle of Porsche, you know, I mean that, you know, you got to
38:59
wipe it off your shoes and, you know, and you melt.
39:01
So yeah. Yeah, there was quite a big
39:03
investment in Luft, right, because that was in Japan.
39:06
So I wonder also people. Yeah, good point.
39:08
And they saved their money and went to Japan because I hear
39:10
that was amazing. It looks like it.
39:13
Yeah. How do you top that?
39:14
How do you top the event the year before?
39:16
At some point, right, it just sort of becomes routine and,
39:19
and, and maybe this was that year, I don't know, it wasn't
39:21
there. I'm sure it was wonderful and
39:22
I'm sure people that went had wonderful experiences.
39:24
But you know, it, I think the, the bigger question is there's,
39:28
there's so much competition, there's so many events, right?
39:31
You know, I go to all kinds of this kind of this, this stuff,
39:34
But, but I have to pick and choose, right?
39:36
I only have X dollars, X time I can spend to travel and this
39:39
kind of thing. And especially in Southern
39:40
California of a spoil of riches, right?
39:43
Exactly. These amazing cars and coffees
39:45
every weekend. And and so you know.
39:48
I mean, maybe that's part of it is that I also like that helped
39:52
with the pang of not being there is that I've gotten to do these,
39:56
you know, the informal amazing cars and coffees at Crystal Cove
39:58
lately. So it wasn't.
40:00
Happened over 280 nines, right? Which would you choose?
40:05
Like I'm doing OK. Friend of the show Andreas
40:08
Prineger, who we met multiple times during Car week.
40:12
And Goodwood was there. Yeah, and he also went to Good
40:16
Vibes. I know I.
40:17
Did. That's cool.
40:19
That's it was too cool. It's, I think Camisa was hosting
40:22
him, wasn't he? I don't know who was hosting
40:25
because I know Johnny's post said they had like, whether it
40:29
was Andreas Burninger himself or Porsche, there was a handful of
40:33
journalists and they all got Porsches and caravanned up
40:36
together. So I don't know who was the
40:39
ultimate host, but it looked amazing and Can you imagine
40:43
being up there and just having him show up?
40:47
Or like Spike having him in the passenger seat riding shotgun,
40:50
right? I mean, you are driving the car
40:52
that was born of this man, right?
40:54
Talk about, you know, watching, you know, every little thing
40:57
you're doing, you know better get that that shift just right
40:59
or, you know, it's just yeah if. Anything is going to make you
41:04
self-conscious or second guess yourself.
41:06
Yeah, that would be it. Yeah, yeah.
41:08
That's like trying to hang up Picasso on the wall with
41:09
Picasso, you know, behind your shoulder.
41:12
I mean, that's, that's tough. He's standing there going a
41:14
little bit a little higher on the left side, yeah.
41:17
You're good then, he says. It's upside down.
41:21
You have grossly misunderstood my art.
41:23
I'm leaving. But Congrats to Spike for
41:27
getting him on the show. That's I know score.
41:30
It was a good episode. It was an interesting
41:32
conversation, he seems. And it was funny because Spike
41:36
commented like, yeah, you're more American than we are in
41:38
some ways. And like he said, he likes he's
41:41
a big fan of pickup trucks. Like he has a Dodge Ram himself,
41:45
which interesting. I didn't see that coming.
41:48
I bet he knows there are 50 states in the Union just saying
41:51
yes. I'm listening to country music
41:54
he's a big fan of. Really.
41:56
Garth Brooks? I don't know.
42:00
Story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:02
Just we'll make it. Up.
42:02
Wait till Chad GPD picks that up.
42:04
It'll become a thing. Dan, you.
42:05
Know he only. Drives his GT3 touring with
42:08
cowboy boots on. Hey, narrow pedal box and all.
42:14
Yeah. I've got an interesting question
42:16
for you guys and I'll give you an example in a minute, which
42:19
car manufacturers are not doing right by their their audience,
42:24
by their their customers. So the example I'll give you and
42:28
I've got a couple of other thoughts, but the example I'll
42:30
give you is Subaru. So we love Subaru on this show.
42:35
We know that there is a lot of demand for the STI, but they
42:38
just refused to make it these days, right?
42:41
I was at Subi Fest last year. There were so many STI's at that
42:45
event, you know, wall to wall STI's.
42:48
But I feel like Subaru are not doing the right thing by their
42:51
customers by not producing the cars that they want.
42:55
Yeah. So can you guys think of any
42:57
other manufacturers that are similar?
42:59
Well, and I don't know why that's the case for super
43:01
because you know, STI has always been more of a of a handling and
43:05
arrow and breaking exercise versus huge extra power, right?
43:09
So it wouldn't seem like it would take that much to do that.
43:13
Like it would be an easy, you know, it's like Porsches Rs or
43:16
if they're going to sell everyone they make right.
43:20
But the the brand that comes to mind to me is Mini and I was in
43:25
a friend's, I don't know, mini. It's probably 6 or 8 years old
43:28
and I hadn't been in a mini in a while.
43:30
My parents had a club in for a long time.
43:32
I very famously a few years ago drove all the the JCWGP cars
43:39
back-to-back, which was a real thrill from the last of the
43:42
classic cars bought at the John Cooper Works dealership in the
43:45
UK to the, at the time, the most recent GP car, and they were
43:49
wonderful. But I've seen a couple of the
43:52
new Minis, the Mini Cooper, specifically on the road
43:55
recently. That rear view is rough.
43:59
And I know they're BMW based now, for better or worse, but I
44:03
just feel like they've kind of lost their way.
44:05
And I know they had terrible sales.
44:08
I was driving someone past. We have a big Mini dealership
44:10
South of Denver the other day. And their reaction was, well,
44:13
I've never actually seen a Mini dealership before, much less one
44:16
that, you know, is as big as the Chevy dealership next door.
44:19
And I think they were really struggling with just bringing
44:21
people in the door and supporting these giant buildings
44:23
that Mini had dictated they build, you know, way back when,
44:27
when Millie Mini was. There you go again.
44:32
Yeah, Mini was, I was really killing it.
44:35
You know, I just, I just feel like, you know, from, from what
44:37
I've heard, they, they, they're just not the same.
44:39
And there was a magic, right? There was something, if you
44:42
drove a Mini, you know, you were making a statement right there,
44:44
a statement piece and just neat cars handled like nothing else,
44:49
like, you know, they were, you know, a square stance and
44:51
everything else. That's the car that comes to
44:52
mind. I think there are a few, but
44:54
that's another one. I just think they kind of lost
44:56
their way or they're just not giving the customers what I
44:58
think the true enthusiasts of the brand are looking for.
45:03
Yeah. Yeah, I think the modern ones, I
45:06
think I saw one the other day and I, it took me a second to
45:08
even realize that it was a mini, which, you know, it's always, I
45:12
think it's always tricky. And I don't envy the designers
45:17
sort of when they're tasked with like, OK, refresh it, come up
45:20
with a new thing, but also maintain the design language and
45:23
you know, have people know that it is what it is instantly, but
45:26
also make it totally new, like. That's not a bigger and right
45:30
it's. Not a simple proposition.
45:33
Yeah. But it's hard when sometimes
45:34
you're like, OK, but this is not it.
45:37
But, you know, it's easy for me to say.
45:39
Yeah, but it's definitely different.
45:41
It's a departure from sort of the classic.
45:43
Even the new ones, classic lines have been good.
45:48
Yeah. That's.
45:49
That's disheartening. You never.
45:51
You never want to see that with a brand that everybody loves
45:53
because they were so charming and fun and cute and, you know,
45:57
Speaking of colors, think about all the options.
45:59
Yeah, with the roofs and the. Yeah, yeah.
46:02
Yeah, Wing marrow. Is a big thing.
46:05
Yeah. Yeah.
46:06
Did you have an alternative, Lindsay?
46:09
No. The other ones I was thinking
46:12
about, I was thinking about VW and specifically the Golf.
46:16
Yeah. I feel like the Golf has lost
46:18
its way. You know they used to do the hot
46:21
hatch. Yeah, yeah.
46:23
And, you know, it just got warmer over over the years,
46:26
didn't it? Yeah, that's.
46:29
Right neighbor crossed the alley I think in part of my
46:33
recommendation. Just brought home a new GTI and
46:36
it's that really pretty Gray colour.
46:38
Couldn't get it in manual, which she wanted, but she ended up
46:41
getting the you know, the DSG and and and the auto also, I
46:45
think cross shop they are. But for her purposes just
46:47
couldn't justify the leap in price of 15,000 or whatever.
46:49
But that is like the last real Volkswagen that car, right?
46:54
And we all know Volkswagen peaked in 2002.
46:58
But. You heard it here first.
46:59
Yeah, that is the last sort of that's the last soldier, right.
47:03
In my opinion is is the GTI. I think for me though, like the
47:08
GTI, it's not competitive compared to the competition.
47:13
So what I mean by that is like a modern day GTI for me is the GR
47:17
Corolla. You know, yeah, yeah.
47:22
Well, and then they've got the S3 within the VAG group, right?
47:25
And, and many people will probably tell you that that's
47:27
the better car, right. So.
47:30
Yeah. And it's an Audi, right?
47:33
You know. Let us know what you think.
47:36
I think it's interesting, you know, looking at the the WRXSTI
47:41
because there is so much demand, like conversationally.
47:45
But I feel like we talked about this on the show too, is like,
47:48
do consumers put their money where their mouth is?
47:50
Like if they made them, you know, do they sell all of them?
47:55
And obviously, like manufacturers have to look at
47:58
all of the regulations and the emissions because you look at,
48:03
you know, you're like, why would Ford make the Escort for so long
48:06
or whatever? It's like they have to balance
48:09
what is it overall fuel economy or something?
48:11
And so they have to have the tiny cars or the economy cars
48:14
with the big cars or whatever. And I'm sure that's part of it
48:17
with Subaru. But, you know, it's like, do
48:22
they, is it economically sound for them to keep making them?
48:26
Are people willing to commit and keep buying them even though
48:29
ostensibly there is demand? And obviously, Subaru knows the
48:32
answer. Well, they're still selling the
48:35
the WRX, right? So.
48:37
Yeah, they're selling a very easy, powerful performers.
48:40
Yeah, but not that. Are they making as many?
48:45
Don't know, but the other one I was thinking of was Ferrari and,
48:49
and mainly because yes, these days a lot of their cars I think
48:55
look quite similar. But but Ferrari customers are
49:00
screaming out for a manual, screaming out for a manual.
49:04
And there's rumors and I've heard from senior design folks
49:08
that there's a manual coming, but there's no manual.
49:12
It's like, you know, the Gordon Murray cars are doing amazing.
49:16
One sold last week for 8 million.
49:17
I don't saw that well. I think there's an aesthetic
49:21
thing going on there too, Dan, not just the manual And you
49:24
know, had Ryan Sapka on the show a couple episodes ago, brought
49:27
in a lot of new listeners to the show.
49:29
So thank you. And we should do more Ferrari
49:30
content is the lesson I learned. But a lot of the Ferrari guys I
49:35
know who guys who have 6 or 8 Ferraris, the newest thing in
49:38
their collection is often something like a 575 or a 360.
49:41
I think when they stopped working with Pin and Farina,
49:44
things all went to shit when they stopped, you know, offering
49:47
a manual, you know, that certainly didn't help.
49:51
I do not aspire to own a modern Ferrari personally.
49:54
And I think it's, yeah, they've lost their, I lost their weight.
49:57
I, I grew up, you know, hell, I wanted a, a Mondeal, you know,
50:01
I'd still take a Mondeal, you know, but that's, that's a real
50:03
Ferrari in a way that, you know, something like the, you know,
50:06
the, the 12 cylinder fill in your, your own Italian just
50:11
doesn't quite do it for me. There was something special.
50:15
And the new ones just yeah, yeah, someone who's never owned
50:18
a Ferrari maybe never will. I'm here to say they've lost
50:21
their way. But.
50:23
I am your. I'm your source for all things
50:25
Ferrari. Yeah.
50:28
Well, I mean, I always gravitate too, you know, And it goes back
50:30
to, like, what's peak Ferrari? I mean, the Testarossa for me.
50:33
But that's such a bygone era. Yeah.
50:36
But it was such a unique sort of alchemy of like one of those
50:41
moments that you can't force and you know.
50:44
Just not a sports car. True, yeah.
50:48
Anyway. But they've recently named a car
50:50
the Testarossa, haven't they? I think And I heard that the
50:55
only reason they named it the Testarossa was after a certain
51:00
period of time you have to have a product with the same name or
51:03
else you lose the copyright and trademark.
51:06
Oh, interesting. Is this why the new the new
51:09
countach? Potentially.
51:11
Yeah, interesting, Interesting. That makes more sense now.
51:14
This is I'm like, I'm having visions of, like, the Bronco and
51:17
the Bronco, too. They're like introducing the
51:19
Testarossa too. It's awful.
51:21
Yeah. Electric Googling.
51:23
Yeah, Testarossa. Raptor.
51:29
The tractor. The tractor?
51:30
Yeah, There you go. The tractor, not the tractor.
51:34
Yeah. Anyway, that's that's just some
51:37
thoughts and music on which car companies have lost their way.
51:40
But let us know what you think. Send us a message.
51:42
We'd love to read them out and say, you know, good ideas or we
51:46
might even shoot some of them down.
51:47
But let us know what you think. You.
51:48
Want to see some of that I'll. Take that back.
51:51
We won't shoot any of them down. We are open and respectful on
51:53
that contract. Have you been following some of
51:56
the? Yeah.
51:57
Have you been following some of the amateur detective work on
52:00
Angela's Crest Highway? That's been in our comments
52:03
section, People breaking down The Who it is, speech patterns
52:06
and things. Our commenters have some
52:09
theories and the identity of our pal.
52:13
I mean, I love teaching all the engagement, right?
52:15
Yeah, what I will say, he's getting quicker at getting those
52:18
things out. I know.
52:20
Wow. I think the Long Beach Grand
52:22
Prix was out that night, right? Yeah, yeah.
52:25
And the Porsche launch? Yeah, but has not lost his edge.
52:28
So, you know, that's a gift when you can, you know, be that
52:33
prolific. Prolific.
52:34
I'm so promiscuous. Don't know about him I mean.
52:37
You wanted to know him, right? This is how rumors get started.
52:44
Yeah, he's he's got the gift, so.
52:46
Yeah, true. Yeah.
52:47
No, they're so. I mean, every time you see a new
52:49
one, I'm just like, oh, this is gonna be good.
52:51
Yeah. And then I think way that goes
52:53
back to what we've talked about with him and what we've all said
52:55
to each other, you know, individually.
52:56
But it's just so true. And it makes you laugh at the
53:01
whole thing and like, laugh at yourself.
53:03
And it's just it. And I think it prolongs the
53:06
excitement of the event. Like I missed the GP this year
53:08
and I was like, this is fun. I feel like I got to be a part
53:11
of it anyway. Yep.
53:14
I like the guest, the character who who is it in the in the cuz
53:18
like you know, Kronega was in one and it.
53:21
Was ballsy, yeah. Yeah, so.
53:24
Like he said, nobody's safe because it's not targeted at
53:27
anybody. So everybody's safe, but
53:29
everybody's a target. But in a.
53:31
Friendly way you'll send him a message and say put Ryan in one.
53:35
There we go. We're gonna Crowdsource Ryan's
53:38
appearance in an ADH video. Right, right, right.
53:40
But but, you know, just, you know, boost me up a little bit
53:43
in every category just to make me feel better.
53:45
Yeah, yeah. Put him in a 356, make him look
53:48
20 years younger, and you'll have a fan for life.
53:52
Absolutely. We should be so lucky.
53:55
That's when you know you've really made it right When.
53:57
But eventually, if he's kicking these things out three a day or
54:00
whatever he's doing, eventually he'll get to us, right?
54:01
Right, that's my home. You've got to.
54:04
Be on that list somewhere, right?
54:08
The day he starts, he starts mocking our Pearl St. gang in
54:12
Denver. Since the day we know he's he's
54:14
probably. He's run out of maybe he's
54:16
jumped. Yeah, yeah.
54:17
Yes, very. Good, but we welcome it of.
54:21
Course our cars loved if they don't have a name.
54:25
Nope. And a vote from Ryan.
54:30
Yeah, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've never been one to name
54:33
cars. I just I don't.
54:36
And and ironically, I have some of the deepest emotional
54:39
connections to my cars versus friends who just go through cars
54:42
like, you know, it's going on a style.
54:44
I'll have this GT4 forever if I can, if I can help it, right.
54:47
I'll add to to collection hopefully someday.
54:49
But but, you know, I love that car, you know?
54:52
More than you. Know but but it has no name.
54:55
Yeah. Lindsay, what are your cars
54:57
called and what's the inspiration on your cars?
54:59
So my cars have been named like we had, you know, the one of the
55:04
family Broncos when I was a kid was named.
55:08
And there's a movie called Romancing the Stone.
55:10
It was Catherine or Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner.
55:16
Kathleen Turner. Yeah, Yeah.
55:17
And so there's a Bronco in that movie that was around the era of
55:22
the last one that my family had, and it's named Pepe, which just
55:26
struck all of us. We were watching it as a family
55:28
and we all just were dying laughing because we were already
55:30
we're like, wait, that's the car that we have.
55:31
Yeah, Yeah. And so then my mom got one of
55:34
the first Gen. expeditions because they had stopped the
55:37
Bronco started the expeditions and she needed a car and ended
55:41
up getting one of those. And so of course, that one had
55:43
to be named Pepe. And.
55:46
That's funny line in the movie where the guy says something
55:49
about Pepe is his favorite pig. So it was Pepe the Pig was the
55:54
name of that car. And then, you know, when I
55:57
started acquiring my own cars, and then my daughter was old
56:00
enough to talk and started watching Cars, the movies.
56:03
Of course, she started realizing that we had some of those cars
56:07
in our driveway. Like we had a red sports car
56:10
that became Lightning McQueen. And then it all cascaded from
56:13
there. And there were several cars
56:15
named after the Cars franchise. I think we had Lightning Sally
56:19
and Finn Mcmissile at one point. Very cool.
56:23
So write in and give us a name for Ryan's car.
56:28
Yeah, which he will never use. My cars have always been named
56:32
so everything from my first Fiesta that.
56:33
Surprises me the. Fiesta.
56:36
Yeah. It was the family thing.
56:37
I think so. Freddie, the Fiesta.
56:41
That's so cute. Yeah, it was cool.
56:44
My current Audi is blue, so it's Electra.
56:49
Blue. So it's Carmen.
56:50
Carmen Electra Yeah, very tenuous, but I was also reading
56:56
online, there was a few, and see if you can guess what the car
56:59
model is based on the name of the car.
57:02
Oh. OK, the the first one was Vlad.
57:07
The Impala. Correct.
57:09
The Chevrolet Impala. Yeah, yeah.
57:12
The next one was Dora, an Explorer.
57:18
Dora the Ford Explorer. I'm just trying to think what
57:21
the others were. There was there was a whole list
57:23
of them. That's so fun.
57:26
Yeah. So these people are going a long
57:27
way. Like I think some real thought
57:29
into it. They, they go way and beyond,
57:31
aren't they? It's yeah, it's.
57:34
I mean, I think Vlad's worth it though.
57:36
That's pretty good. That's pretty excellent.
57:37
That's. That's when you have to have a
57:39
sticker on the back. Don't you have to?
57:40
Yeah, I. Mean Adora's clever.
57:43
I don't know that I would have come up with that, but it's
57:44
like, it's so perfect. Yeah, it's anyway that that was
57:49
a couple that came to mind. I can't think of the others at
57:51
the minute, but maybe we'll we'll do a competition for him.
57:54
I'm just still trying to process the fact that the expedition was
57:58
replacement for the full size Bronco, which makes sense but I
58:01
never really considered that was Do you know how much you know
58:06
how soon after the demise of the Bronco?
58:08
Because that damn Bronco was made through like.
58:10
They stopped Bronco in 96 and the first expedition came out in
58:15
97. Wow.
58:16
So yeah, there you go. Well, and what's so, I mean,
58:19
it's interesting for me, which won't surprise anybody, you
58:23
know, being as steeped and forward as I was, is when word
58:26
came out that they were ceasing Bronco, you know, production and
58:31
it was like, yeah, but they're going to come out with a 4 door
58:33
Bronco and Bronco enthusiasts will know there used to be
58:37
something called a Centurion, which was a 4 door Bronco.
58:41
And I've recently learned, I used to think when I was a kid
58:44
that they took a Bronco, cut it in half and inserted the middle
58:47
section. And I just learned that they
58:50
actually are made from an F-250 quad cab and the back end of a
58:55
Bronco. Interesting, interesting.
58:56
So there's. Less splicing than I was coming
58:58
up with in my head. I.
58:59
Mean a Bronco always just looked like a pickup truck with the cab
59:02
in the pack. I mean, you could kind of, they
59:04
just see that. So they, they would cut the bed
59:06
off the F-250, cut the Bronco, you know, in half behind the
59:10
front seats and then splice those two together.
59:13
And you basically had an excursion from the 80s, right?
59:16
In the 80s or 90s, right? Right, right.
59:19
So, you know, that's in my head, I was like, great, they're just
59:21
going to mass produce the Centurions.
59:24
And then in other countries they had the B-250 I think, which was
59:29
like a three door because it only had one rear passenger
59:33
door, but it was basically a Ford Suburban or a Centurion,
59:36
you know, a three row big SUV. And so then when they came out
59:39
with the Expedition, I was like, well, this doesn't look anything
59:42
like what I was expecting. Like PBS tonight, right?
59:46
Every day is a school day. Every day is a school day.
59:49
Well, I hope you're taking. Every other day and Jay was
59:52
telling the story. About how?
59:54
There is a link segue about an explorer.
59:57
He was telling the story about an explorer and and someone had
1:00:01
brought it to him and said look, it's got.
1:00:04
It's got this guy's previous owner's name all over it.
1:00:07
And I don't know how to, to get rid of all this branding.
1:00:10
Like his name's all over it. And Jade said to him, what's,
1:00:13
what's the name? It's like Mr. Eddie Bauer.
1:00:15
It was an Eddie Bauer edition of the Ford Explorer.
1:00:20
Oh my. His underwear, right?
1:00:23
Calvin Klein, Yeah. Calvin, Mr. Klein.
1:00:29
Yeah, they used to have the Eddie Bauer Broncos had little
1:00:32
trees in the seats. Oh, wow.
1:00:34
Wow. Yeah, I just knew that was when
1:00:36
the rich people all had was the Eddie Bauer.
1:00:38
Tree Eddie Bauer, Yeah. It's.
1:00:39
So what was the equivalent like? I don't know.
1:00:43
I mean, well, I know Subaru did an LL Bean collaboration.
1:00:48
Absolutely, and you get to 3.6. If only they still had a 3.66
1:00:52
flat 6 and you know their cars today.
1:00:55
Been better than Eddie Bauer or? I would say it's equivalent.
1:00:58
I mean, they're both, they're both, you know, outdoor
1:01:01
Outfitters, which are really just clothing companies at this
1:01:03
point. Yeah, I know.
1:01:06
I don't know if there were any other.
1:01:08
Outdoor Companies. Yeah, or like like
1:01:12
collaborations like that where it was like the such and such
1:01:14
edition. But I mean, they had a
1:01:16
partnership with Eddie Bauer for a long time and you got, you
1:01:20
could get an Eddie Bauer Bronco, Eddie Bauer Explorer, maybe a
1:01:24
truck, I don't know. But yeah, you could tell because
1:01:26
there were four body colors and then they had tan accents over
1:01:31
the wheel wells and the bottom. That's right.
1:01:33
Whatever you call it, like little border.
1:01:36
So you could get red, white, blue or green with the tan
1:01:40
accent or black, Yeah. So 5.
1:01:42
Colors Lindsay 3 Words What comes to mind when you when you
1:01:45
hear Bronco 2. But yeah, I just need the one.
1:01:56
I am sure that the intent was obviously to make money and to
1:02:00
create like an SUV for people that didn't need the big SUV.
1:02:04
But no, like in all fairness, the reason I say that is because
1:02:07
they were so unstable. They were like, it was a short
1:02:11
wheelbase tall car, not a good recipe.
1:02:14
Yeah, you know, and maybe like now when you look at like when I
1:02:17
look at the styling now, I didn't know this as a kid when
1:02:20
they were on the road and being produced, like the styling is
1:02:24
reminiscent of a first Gen. Bronco, which has the same
1:02:27
problem, tall cars or wheelies. But they just I it's like they
1:02:32
just sort of fell short in every area.
1:02:35
And, you know, I mean, to my mind, like the full size Bronco
1:02:38
was just such a win. Yeah, to call the Bronco to to
1:02:43
try and like hitch its wagon to that when it was so not didn't
1:02:48
live up to it that it's like. Like the Mustang too.
1:02:51
Ford's got away. Yeah, anyway, all.
1:02:53
Right, here's true now, isn't it?
1:02:56
Because then you have the Mustang Mackie, right?
1:02:59
Yeah, the Testarossa 2. Testarossa 2 coming soon.
1:03:03
Manual only, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
1:03:06
So like Ford's done it, we should try this out.
1:03:09
What have we guys got coming up over the next few weeks?
1:03:11
Something exciting. Nothing formal but the weather
1:03:15
has been getting better so I am hoping to get the M3 out for a
1:03:19
drive. Get the GT4 out for a drive.
1:03:21
Nice. Spend as much time behind the
1:03:23
wheels as. Possible.
1:03:26
Yeah. And I'm off to LA on Monday to
1:03:29
see a friend of the show. I don't think I can say too much
1:03:31
right now. I think I'm under state. 2.
1:03:36
Writers. I'm on assignment but yeah under
1:03:38
embargoned. At least I'm self.
1:03:40
Embargant. Yeah, I'll.
1:03:42
Spill the beans, but that's some good stories.
1:03:46
Yeah, yeah. And shout out to to Genesis, our
1:03:48
friends at Genesis. I'm going to land at LAX and
1:03:50
have a new G90. I think they call it the Black
1:03:54
Edition. It's their top of the line fancy
1:03:57
pants, you know, Bentley esque sedan.
1:04:01
So I'll be driving around LA like a king, like a bond.
1:04:07
I love it. Well, I mean, I think that's
1:04:10
pretty much the trifecta on assignment, under embargo and in
1:04:13
a press car. You have arrived.
1:04:15
All you need to do. Is drive down Beverly Hills,
1:04:18
pull up at the lights and Daniel Mac will come out and say, hey,
1:04:21
what do you do for a living? Not much.
1:04:28
That's your side mentioned for the trip is to get that to
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happen. That's right, that'll be drive.
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Around with your window you. Know the guy, like, set
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something up, you know, and just make it look like it was, you
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know, fake just by accident. Yeah, totally.
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Spontaneous. No one saw this.
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Coming. It's just, yeah, huge, huge
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exposure, you know, so. Yeah, good.
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Looking forward to that. It'll be a fun car.
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Yeah, I'm going this weekend to Laguna Seca and check out the
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IMSO Racing. So it's looking.
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Forward to that it. Should be a lot of fun.
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Long drive, but yeah, it'd be worth it for the weekend.
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So catching up with friend of the show Carl Knox, editor in
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chief. Yes, yes.
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I love Laguna Seca and Carl so that sounds like an amazing.
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Win, win you're. Gonna find you're fine.
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It should be fun. That's so.
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Fun. Yeah, well, have a safe drive.
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Yeah, thank you. Well, I think that's a show,
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isn't it, guys? Yeah.
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It looks like it. Lots of Edie's references
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tonight. There we go.
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Who's gonna give us the phrase that doesn't really pay, but
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it's a great. Price well, I am happy to do it.
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Thank you so much for joining us this week on that car show.
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And remember, always be driving and we'll see you next week.