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Domonique Foxworth on Mike Tomlin's hot seat, Shedeur Sanders noise, Giannis trade rumors | 12.05 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, I got a new name. First Fridays with Foxworth.
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  Speaker 2: It works, I guess. Yeah, man, I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 3: You make me feel guilty when you say it like that.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't trying to make you feel guilty. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: what can I do? You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: I'm down to make it happen, but it's first Fridays,
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  Speaker 1: and that way, now people can look forward to the
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  Speaker 1: specific occasion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I miss it.
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  Speaker 4: I still get, like, randomly, or not randomly, more and
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  Speaker 4: more on the street, people, like, recognize me and say
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  Speaker 4: they listen to my show, but for a long time,
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  Speaker 4: or they see me on Get Up, but for a
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  Speaker 4: long time, the thing I would get the most was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I love you. And I'd be like, I get excited
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  Speaker 4: a little bit on Fox or Friday.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, I mean, that ain't really me though.
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  Speaker 2: But it is you though. But it is you though.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: But also first Fridays at Foxworth has a phrasing that
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  Speaker 1: is very important to African-Americans of certain bourgeoisness of our age.
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  Speaker 2: As there was a time.
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  Speaker 1: Where a first Friday, boy, let me tell you, Don't
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  Speaker 1: nothing a black person with a degree love to do
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  Speaker 1: more than go hang out with other black people who
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  Speaker 1: have degrees where everybody knows that we're all here because
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  Speaker 1: we have degrees. And so we pat each other on
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  Speaker 1: the back by having degrees. And first Friday was such
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  Speaker 1: an occasion.
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  Speaker 4: That specific strain, I guess it's different than Jack and Jill,
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  Speaker 4: but that's a whole nother conversation because- I don't know
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  Speaker 4: nothing about that world.
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  Speaker 3: That wasn't anything I was in.
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  Speaker 4: So when I first had kids and we had a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more money than I had as a kid,
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  Speaker 4: people were like, you should do Jack and Jill. My wife,
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  Speaker 4: who grew up more affluently than I did, was like, no. No,
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  Speaker 4: we're not putting our kids in that.
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  Speaker 1: See, this is why I love your wife.
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  Speaker 2: Because on paper, Jack and Jill seems on the board.
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  Speaker 2: But no, she actually a real one. This is important.
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  Speaker 2: I do look back on it, though, because I.
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  Speaker 1: There was always an emphasis, but my mother would try,
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  Speaker 1: and I understand it better now as an adult, to
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  Speaker 1: put me in situations to be around other middle to
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  Speaker 1: upper middle class black kids because they weren't so many
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  Speaker 1: of us, right? So we all need to get together.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, I went to school with rural
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  Speaker 1: working class people. So I did not meet these people
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  Speaker 1: and feel like I was meeting my peers, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, I was just like, oh, this isn't my room either.
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  Speaker 1: And I always wondered if I had gotten like a
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  Speaker 1: little taste of Jack and Jill, maybe it would have
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  Speaker 1: been good for me just so I wouldn't be so
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  Speaker 1: mean to those people now.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't like them at all.
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  Speaker 1: Like, anytime somebody invites me to anything that I feel
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  Speaker 1: like got a whiff.
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  Speaker 3: Of that, I'm like, oh, you're one of them, huh? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I would agree that....
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  Speaker 4: You have this aversion to that group, which is probably
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  Speaker 4: by all, most times it's you're better off not, but like, um,
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  Speaker 4: I mentioned at, uh, up in Martha's vineyard going to
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  Speaker 4: like the black Ivy league thing.
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  Speaker 3: And, I could feel the eye roll through the text. Like,
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  Speaker 3: some of them are cool, Bo. Like, some of them
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  Speaker 3: are cool.
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  Speaker 4: And my wife and I went to, like, Black Harvard
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  Speaker 4: Alumni Weekend. And I remember, like, it's kind of cool
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  Speaker 4: to me that both my wife and I are alumni
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  Speaker 4: from this fancy school and we're going to this weekend
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  Speaker 4: and it's going to be cool.
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  Speaker 3: And all my friends, like, oh, that's dope. And Bo
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  Speaker 3: is like... Oh, that's dope. Watch out. Don't, don't let,
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  Speaker 3: don't catch it.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think I realized that your
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  Speaker 1: wife was also a Harvard alum.
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  Speaker 2: I misunderstood that part. Okay. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a, it's a, and I mean, I imagine there's
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  Speaker 1: another Dominique Fosworth walking around this somewhere. I, I, I, well, my,
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  Speaker 1: my homeboy, um, I, he wrote his second book and he, um,
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  Speaker 1: we went to high school together and like, he has
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  Speaker 1: a much different background than even me where it's like his,
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  Speaker 1: his brothers and his dad and all them.
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  Speaker 3: They was, they was a pharmacist.
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  Speaker 4: And they did some time as a result of his
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  Speaker 4: mom was a teacher and he went on to like
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  Speaker 4: go to Harvard and, and now it's a professor there.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah you sound like we can kick it
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  Speaker 5: yeah absolutely can kick it and there are a few
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  Speaker 5: others like that but I get your point because when
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  Speaker 5: I the funny thing is like they had at that
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  Speaker 5: weekend they have so many like.
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  Speaker 4: Meetings and conferences and seminars and whatever about all these
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  Speaker 4: different things and then of course there are a few
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  Speaker 4: well attended ones about like how we can address inequality
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  Speaker 4: and it does have a feeling of how can we
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  Speaker 4: fix them next?
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  Speaker 3: It's like a little air of it. It's like a
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  Speaker 3: little air of it. And not everyone is in there.
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  Speaker 4: Cause you look around and other people roll in their
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  Speaker 4: eyes too, but it all like, it's like, damn, what
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  Speaker 4: are we going to do for them?
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  Speaker 1: And you know what it is? And this is whether
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  Speaker 1: it be Harvard, any of these other things, right? I
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  Speaker 1: am apprehensive of any room, no matter who you are,
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  Speaker 1: that you have to qualify to get into.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Any room where we tell people that you don't get
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  Speaker 1: in because you have not achieved whatever that thing is, she, man,
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  Speaker 1: they probably more fun than y'all.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, maybe that's what it is. I feel like you're
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  Speaker 1: leaving the fun out the road. But I will say this.
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  Speaker 1: There's one black man that I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: Is everybody's kind of guy, and his name is Mike Tomlin.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And National television, right?
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  Speaker 1: Talk about this all the time, that if it's going
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  Speaker 1: to look bad for you, don't make it look bad
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  Speaker 1: for you on national television, because now this conversation goes
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  Speaker 1: from inside the house to outside the house. And it
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  Speaker 1: feels like everybody is in on it. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how much those things matter in Pittsburgh, where they
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  Speaker 1: seem to clearly move and operate at their own pace.
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  Speaker 1: But bottom line is this Steelers team is not good.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers currently only has one hand that is operable.
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  Speaker 1: And the other one is still 42 years old, right?
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  Speaker 2: Can't lose sight of that. I bet he can't even
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  Speaker 2: hold his hand steady.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like, you ask him to go like this and see
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  Speaker 2: what happens.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, now is the time that everybody is remembering
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  Speaker 1: that Mike Thomas stopped winning playoff games when he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a black man as president no more, right? Apparently that
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  Speaker 1: was a condition that was somewhat necessary to really, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, get to where he wanted to be.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, he won his first Super Bowl after
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  Speaker 1: Obama got inaugurated.
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  Speaker 2: Do you understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it is, right? I don't know. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: he ain't winning the playoff games.
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  Speaker 1: And in Pittsburgh, they don't give a damn about no
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  Speaker 1: goddamn Barack Obama or none of that. They kind of
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  Speaker 1: want to know what's going on with the playoff wins,
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  Speaker 1: where those haven't been.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fair point.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if the coach is the reason that
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  Speaker 1: this has been the case for those nine years, but
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  Speaker 1: it is also fair for people to say anybody else
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  Speaker 1: would have gotten fired to the maybe it ain't as
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  Speaker 1: much racism no more, people.
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  Speaker 2: If I were you and.
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  Speaker 1: I were trying to make that point, I would say
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  Speaker 1: the only two coaches that I could think of that
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  Speaker 1: have existed like this in modern times were him and
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  Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying.
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  Speaker 2: Forgive me, the devil don't need no advocate.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that before they can say it, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say it and make jokes about it.
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  Speaker 2: But the Steelers look bad against the Bills.
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  Speaker 1: This week they play against Baltimore, who also look bad
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  Speaker 1: and have a head coach who has been there just
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  Speaker 1: about as long that I would make the argument needs
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  Speaker 1: to be fired. But if I am making the argument
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  Speaker 1: that he needs to be fired, it then becomes very
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  Speaker 1: difficult for me to not make the argument that Mike
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  Speaker 1: Tomlin needs to be fired. The difference in their two cases, however,
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  Speaker 1: is very clear. One of them has had a quarterback
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  Speaker 1: since 2018, and one of them has not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I am biased in both cases. Yes. For different reasons.
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  Speaker 4: And so, like, I think we can start with the
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  Speaker 4: Harbaugh thing. It's like the one thing about Harbaugh that
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  Speaker 4: I respect and appreciate and I think would be I'd
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  Speaker 4: worry about losing is the ability to run a stable
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  Speaker 4: organization while changing parts is a hard thing to do
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  Speaker 4: and changing the way that they attack, like the transition from,
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  Speaker 4: from Joe to Lamar wasn't easy. And then the transition
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  Speaker 4: of the offense from what's his name?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: From Roman to Munkin hasn't been easy, but it worked.
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  Speaker 4: And then they had, multiple defensive coordinator transitions where they
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  Speaker 4: launched a career uh one guy and they are working
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  Speaker 4: on another guy and before that they were.
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  Speaker 3: Wink martin they were crazy blitz.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's just like unique things that i think some
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  Speaker 4: of those things aren't as obvious in there and they're
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  Speaker 4: tough to do i can understand though that the idea
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  Speaker 4: that you haven't gotten over a certain hump that's fine
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  Speaker 4: i think you and i are reasonable enough to know
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  Speaker 4: that it don't mean it's going to get better you
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  Speaker 4: can look at penn state like don't assume that it's
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  Speaker 4: going to get better So you have to understand that
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  Speaker 4: the risk that you're taking is like what you're saying
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  Speaker 4: by firing your coach, your good coach.
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  Speaker 3: So like if your coach stinks, then he's like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: can't be no worse. Get out of here. It's different.
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  Speaker 4: It's a different calculation when you have a coach who
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  Speaker 4: has made things stable. What you're doing is now, all right,
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  Speaker 4: we want a championship so bad that we're willing to
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  Speaker 4: entertain the idea of being trash. And people who are
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  Speaker 4: a part of good organizations, like fans of good organizations
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  Speaker 4: like the Ravens, And the Steelers don't acknowledge, they don't
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  Speaker 4: even imagine what it's like to be a Jets fan
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  Speaker 4: or a Giants fan or a Raiders fan or a
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  Speaker 4: Cardinals fan.
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  Speaker 3: Like, look around the league. Most of these teams stink
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  Speaker 3: for long periods of time. And you guys are mad, which, like,
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  Speaker 3: I get it. It's fine.
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  Speaker 4: You could want more and want better and expect more
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  Speaker 4: and expect better. But you guys are mad because you
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  Speaker 4: haven't won a Super Bowl. So that's all you just
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  Speaker 4: have to. That's the thing that I worry about is
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  Speaker 4: people who are saying this don't aren't doing the actual
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  Speaker 4: calculation that the probability is that you're going to get
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  Speaker 4: a bad coach, not that you're going to get an improvement.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, and for them, they feel like no, because the
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  Speaker 1: last three coaches that they have hired over this span
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  Speaker 1: of 60 something year or nearly 60 years have been
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  Speaker 1: coaches who have not simply won Super Bowls, but have
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  Speaker 1: been to multiple Super Bowls.
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  Speaker 2: This has happened. With both of them.
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  Speaker 1: The thing for me with the Steelers that I do
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  Speaker 1: think is worth pointing out, and this is perhaps a
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  Speaker 1: function of my age, the Tomlin lied that the standard
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  Speaker 1: is the standard. Well, what is, the standard is the standard,
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  Speaker 1: but you didn't answer my question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: What exactly is the standard when people talk about Pittsburgh?
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  Speaker 1: Because people say the standard is Super Bowls, and that
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  Speaker 1: is not true. They went to four Super Bowls in
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  Speaker 1: six years under Chuck Knowles. And that was an unreal
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  Speaker 1: run in a way that cannot be replicated in this
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  Speaker 1: day and age.
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  Speaker 2: But that was an unreal run.
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  Speaker 1: Since then, as a franchise, and this is over a
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  Speaker 1: span of 40-something years, they have been to four Super Bowls, right?
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  Speaker 2: They've been during the 80s.
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  Speaker 1: I think they went to an AFC championship game in there,
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  Speaker 1: I think in 84 against Miami.
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  Speaker 2: But otherwise, eh, they was just kind of there.
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  Speaker 1: Coward got the thing back rolling, but Coward also had
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  Speaker 1: like a three-year dip where they did not make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's like win a playoff game here, win
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  Speaker 1: a playoff game there. He got that Super Bowl all
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  Speaker 1: the way toward the end. Tomlin, it was stronger in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning game, I think that with the talent that
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  Speaker 1: they've had in the last few years, getting to the
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  Speaker 1: playoffs or whatever it has been is fairly impressive.
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  Speaker 2: They have a quarterback problem.
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  Speaker 1: They've been had a quarterback problem and they haven't made
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  Speaker 1: a big move to get another quarterback because that's between Ben,
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  Speaker 1: outside of Ben Roethlisberger and Terry Bradshaw, they have had
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  Speaker 1: the mess quarterbacks over a span of decades. You can't
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  Speaker 1: do it with the, with Neil O'Donnell at this point
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  Speaker 1: in time, you can't do it with old Aaron Rogers.
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  Speaker 1: They tried with Kenny Pickett. I could have told you
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't going to work, right? So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what exactly is expected, but I do think it's fair
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  Speaker 1: to say, bro, Howie ain't won not one playoff game
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  Speaker 1: in this time period. But not one of them has
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  Speaker 1: been a playoff game I thought they were supposed to win.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, I think that's why, that's part of
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  Speaker 4: the reason why you criticize the coach is like, win
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  Speaker 4: the ones that you're not supposed to win. A coach who,
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  Speaker 4: I think most people would argue, wins a lot of
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  Speaker 4: regular season games that he's not supposed to win. That's
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  Speaker 4: why he's made the playoffs a lot more than... he
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  Speaker 4: was supposed to and been over 500 a lot more
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  Speaker 4: times than he was supposed to win. One of those
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  Speaker 4: playoff games that you're, that you're not supposed to win
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  Speaker 4: is a fair criticism over this amount of time because
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  Speaker 4: they've been like good this whole time. So like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's fair. The, the state to the point about the
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  Speaker 4: standard is the standard. The, the reason why that's such
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  Speaker 4: a masterful thing is you can make it mean whatever
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  Speaker 4: you want. It's about, it's about showing up on time
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  Speaker 4: and playing hard. It's not about actually winning championships. It's,
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  Speaker 4: It's about conducting yourself with dignity and respect. Like, he
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  Speaker 4: ain't say nothing. Like, the standard just means, like, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Or the standard could be, like, be happy, have a
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  Speaker 4: good time, be kind to people.
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  Speaker 3: Right. That's the standard. So, like, he ain't really said nothing.
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  Speaker 4: That's the master of those type of cliches or the
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  Speaker 4: genius of those type of cliches is you throw them
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  Speaker 4: out there and people, myself included, are like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you see the way he said that?
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  Speaker 3: And then you get home and you're like... He ain't
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  Speaker 3: saying shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, he's so good at keeping it simple and not
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  Speaker 1: giving you anything, but that should be feeling profound.
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  Speaker 3: Don't it?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like when that.
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  Speaker 1: Person, I think it was a woman, I can't remember,
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  Speaker 1: but asked him about cover three against the four verts,
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  Speaker 1: and he said he did not want to explain it,
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  Speaker 1: but he was impressed by the depth of the question
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  Speaker 1: because it ain't no explanation, Mike. And for people who
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  Speaker 1: need to understand what's going on here, cover three, there
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  Speaker 1: are three deep defensive backs, four verts. Those three got
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  Speaker 1: to guard four people.
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  Speaker 7: What?
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  Speaker 2: Answer, Mike Tomlin, is y'all fucked up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the answer to that is probably the
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  Speaker 4: hold defenders or the curl flat defenders will carry the verts,
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  Speaker 4: which then opens up the curl flat. Like, it's a
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  Speaker 4: much more complicated answer to that. There is no perfect
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  Speaker 4: answer for any of that. But yeah, giving.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody a compliment. And you're the head coach. You're Mike Tomlin.
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  Speaker 3: Well done. That's a move there.
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  Speaker 2: Well done. Well done. Well done.
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  Speaker 3: That's your question.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I will.
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  Speaker 1: Your point about you don't know who you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get is an important one. Because the thing about the
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  Speaker 1: Steelers is we can operate on the assumption that they'll
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  Speaker 1: go get a good head coach because they did 35
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: And then they did again 20 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: And they did previously 55 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Ugh!
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like that's a.
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  Speaker 1: there aren't that many of them around here and they
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  Speaker 1: have an infrastructure. We are assuming that we think can
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: support whatever it is, but you're right. And for people
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: who don't know what's going on at Penn state, they
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: can't give that job away right now for whatever reason,
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: signing day has come. And I think they had class
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: 125 because they only got like five people because they
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: still don't have a coach.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: They got mad that day.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: And decided they were sick of james franklin understandable if
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: you always say i can make an argument for firing
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: anybody right okay they did it but you're right who
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: were you gonna hire that should have been a little
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: bit more clearly explained i thought it was going to
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: be matt rule apparently they thought it was going to
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: be matt rule because it's not matt rule and they
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: still don't have a coach but if the steelers mess
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: around in this place where they're in because they're still
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: not going to have a high draft pick because they're
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: still going to be pretty good right What's it going
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: to be? And Steelers fans, y'all don't know nothing about
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: them hardscrabble mean streets.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're going to get to know it.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Or they might not. Maybe they'll figure it out again.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: And I think they've hired good coaches, but your point
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: is a good one. They don't have experience doing it.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: It could be luck. And I think no disrespect to
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Chuck Knoll, but I feel differently about pre-free agency dynasties
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: than I do about preseason. post free agency dynasties. And like,
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: it's a different situation. Like, yeah, things worked out. Y'all
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: had a hall of fame, had fucking 10 hall of
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: famers on defense.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: All right. And they couldn't go nowhere.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: No matter what they couldn't, they could not stress your
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: cap because it didn't exist. And like, it's a little
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: different situation. And yeah, there are some advancements and developments made.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Like I respect that. But then the coward situation was
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: more closer to reality. What you're dealing with now is
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: it ain't reality, man.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Like this is not. And so, I get it.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: My only point is not that he doesn't deserve to
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: get fired because, I mean, forget deserve.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: That's an irrelevant factor.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: That's an irrelevant factor.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: My point is not that it's unreasonable to fire Mike Tomlin.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: It's reasonable to fire Mike Tomlin. My only point is
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: understand that you quitting your job and the.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Market out there right now is not for employees. It
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: never is. So, yeah, go ahead and quit your job
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: if you want to.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're going to end up doing,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: but you may not like it nearly as much as
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: what you got now.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yo, and right now, this is not a time where
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm hearing that this is the next
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: head coach name, right?
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: So, for example, old Big Brain Ben.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I got to stop calling him Big Brain Ben because
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: apparently some of that big-brainedness was actually Dan Campbell, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: it's actually Big Boy Ben who take his shirt off
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and is kind of swole and dance around with his players.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: But anyway.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: If the Steelers job is open last year, they are
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: probably the move that Ben Johnson makes, even if they
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: don't have the quarterback right now, because they're going to
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: give you the time and we're going to figure out
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: who is going.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: To be your best chance for success.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know who the name is if you decide
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: that Mike Tomlin is not going to be your coach anymore.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know who the guy is that you then say, okay,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: we're going to hire and make this happen. Now, to
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: be fair, we damn sure didn't know who the guy
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: was when they hired Mike Tomlin.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: That's the same point. The same with Harbaugh. Apparently, Mike
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Tomlin was... someone that the Roonies knew of and were
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: really impressed by.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Because Tomlin got the Rooney Rule interview with.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: It worked.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I forget which team.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: But, you know, Levitard always tells a story about how
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins were going to hire him, but they did
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: not because he was, and I.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Quote, too hip-hop, unquote.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: And then they hired Cam Cameron and went 1-15. What
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: an amazing tale. But I think that that's what the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Broodies heard about was that interview.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Would you feel any differently about the two hip-hop line
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: if they wrote, like, I don't think our fan base
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: would be comfortable with it?
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: No, there's really no way to be like, he too black.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: There's really no way.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: The thing about the two hip-hop part is, guys, we
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: have seen Mike Toblin.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Like, for a long time, he know how to act
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: on an interview, right?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Like, they act like Mike Toblin, they act like he
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: went in there like the Fresh Prince in jazz.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, how you doing?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Dabbed him up and then fell backwards. Like, he was
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: in there waiting on them, like....
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: My bad.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Who going first?
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: My name is Mike, and I'm here to.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It's like, who?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Who? What do you have to do? He come in
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: there and throw down some cardboard and start break dancing?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: And hold on.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Keep in mind, everything else about the interview was impressive
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: enough that from the way the story is told, they
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: thought that he was somebody that you.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Should hire except he was too hip-hop.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: So what was he doing that was so hip-hop or
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: how low was the hip-hop threshold such that you decided, nope.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Cam Cameron. He's our guy.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, it seems obvious that it's just like a euphemism. Like, yes,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: we don't want no black.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: We don't want nobody black.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: And then many years ago, and I think this is
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a different ownership group. They eventually did hire Brian Florence,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: who I think was a different kind of hip hop
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that they didn't like.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they wasn't down for mob deep hip hop. And like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: looking back on it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Reports did a pretty good damn job like maybe he's
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the guy that you should be looking at while he's
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: in the middle of suing the nfl.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I feel confident saying through a little knowledge and understanding
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and paying paying more attention to the situation he will
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: never be a head coach and i will never complain
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe you know more than i know yeah no.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: No he um He, I can understand why it is.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Because basically the Dolphins got him out of there because
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: they're like, hey, man, don't nobody like him, bro.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Like, he's a tough guy to be around.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: I won't push any further. But yeah, there's lots of
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: people who are tough to be around. The results matter
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: more than anything else. And I think that the, what
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: the Steelers do next would be interesting.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, hold on.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Sometimes how tough you are to be around has an
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: adverse effect on your results.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Fair point. Fair point.
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Some people are also built to be coordinators, and I
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: think you can look up in New England and say,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: all right, that man coordinated shit out that offense.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, Bill Belichick is built to be a coordinator.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: He just had Tom Brady.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I think he did a great job coaching those teams,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: but he's built to be a coordinator because of how
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: he act.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin, built to be a head coach. Yes, he is.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: He's a head coach.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: He's a head coach people.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: This is going to be something to see because they
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: got this game against the Ravens and Lamar Jackson is
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: playing like boo-boo. I'm not hearing much about it. I mean,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you live closer. So maybe there is hardball talk that
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not hearing. But if they don't make the playoffs,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I don't see how he can still be your coach.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, they chanted the same thing they did to Tomlin.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I don't remember which game it was. A few weeks ago,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: they were chanting fire hardball. And I think a lot
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: of that was tied to, obviously, it's tied to their
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: playoff disappointments. But a lot of it was also tied
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: to the decision to start Cooper Rush over Snoop. Fans
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: didn't like that because Snoop had had success in the past.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: But then Lamar came back. They reeled off a few wins,
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: even though they were ugly wins, and everybody got quiet.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: If they end up missing the playoffs and losing the
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: division to this not very good Steelers team, the conversations
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: will pop back up. But I don't see it actually
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: leading to anything unless— there's some conversation inside the locker room.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Let me be straight with you.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Unless Lamar is upset, I don't see them reacting to
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: the fans that way because I think that they have
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: a situation there between Ozzie still being around, DaCosta being
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: the general manager. I think they have an idea of
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: a future head coach at some point. I don't think
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: they think that point is now unless their hand gets
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: forced by just a terrible fall off.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting that people think this division is terrible.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think the NFC South is probably worse, but we
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: have seen this as a terrible division. And we walked
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: into this year thinking that this division was rock solid.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It just had the Browns in it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The Bengals. I don't know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: The Bengals need to, that one Superbowl run really got
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: us confused about who the Bengals always is.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Specifically Zach Taylor.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Like we thought we knew, we thought we knew. And
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: then they went to a Superbowl.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: And they keep reminding us every year.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: And I mean, I guess you forgive them because of
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: the burrow injuries and the slow starts. The defenses have
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: been bad, switching out coordinators. But I just had this
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: before I got on with you. I was talking to
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: my producers about the show that we're going to do.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: And they are trying to convince me to have a
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: conversation about taking the Bengals playoff run seriously.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: And I won't do it. I won't do it. I
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: won't do it. I didn't do it last year. I'm
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: not doing it this year. I won't do it. And
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: they were like, what if they beat the Bills?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: What if they beat the Ravens? So?
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: And they're like, the last three games after that are
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: definitely easy and winnable. I guarantee you they lose. Between
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: now and the end of the season, they'll lose one
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: or two of these five games. Whether it's to the
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: teams that are better than them or to the teams
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: that are worse than them, I don't know, but not.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: A serious outfit.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: There is nothing better than when a Sam-I-Am moment just
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: jumps up out of nowhere. We did not, not in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a boat, not on a goat. No, sirree, Bob. Coming
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: up next, I'm going to ask Dominique what he thinks
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: about what Shador has looked like so far.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: And also, Giannis might want to trade.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: We are back with Dominique Foxworth.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I have talked about your door a couple of times
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: without you in your expertise as a defensive back.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And it's just a generally reasonable person. What we got here.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, we got a lot of noise around a
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: situation that does not deserve to be that noisy. I mean,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: that's the best way I could put it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: It's funny because you can't help but react to something
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: that everyone else is reacting to.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: You don't have to like publicly react, but like you
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: have a reaction.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: So like, I think I've swung back and forth based
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: on the, like the, what I felt was the predominant,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: like a story around him or the predominant feeling around
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: him through the draft and through his college career until now,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: it's like the pendulum swings. And I always feel like
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: my reaction or my feeling about it is like, I
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: don't really care about this.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Everybody cares about this, but they're not seeing that this
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: is different.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: And so the most latest thing is like when he
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: got his first playing time in the Ravens game, it
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: felt like, oh, he's terrible. And I watched those those
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: games and I was like, hey, guys, they didn't protect them.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: The two times they protected him, he went down field. Well,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: the interception was a panicked, terrible throw. But generally, like
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I think there's there's nothing to really pull from this
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: particular game. Then he goes and wins the next game,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: has that incredible throw. And then it feels like the
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: narrative around him, I shouldn't use that word anymore, it's dead.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: It feels like the push behind him is like, see.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: He did it. He did it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: He got to talk about his teammates more after he win,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: but he did it. And then I rewatched that game
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, that play was incredible. But he didn't
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: really do much in that game. It feels like we're
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: still in a situation where we're trying to really assess
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: this guy. And to be fair, if he were a
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: first round pick, he would be giving us enough right now.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I think for us to be like, all right, there's
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: something there we can build around it, but he's not a.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: First round pick.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: And I don't think he's done nearly enough for us
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: to be talking about like what they going to do.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe they going to build around it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Which it feels like some people are arguing that that's a,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: A real thing.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: They're going to draft some more quarterbacks, guys. It's going
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: to happen.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: As soon as they can.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Of course. Which is next year. They got two first-round picks.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, as soon in that draft as they can.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't know if you'd seen this,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: but apparently I saw a report that said, oh, here
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: we go. Browns open 21-day practice window, but Deshaun Watson
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: on nasty ass.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: They are trying to make.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Sure that one of these many quarterbacks they have, right?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: all of whom are kind of like the jack of hearts. Well,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: not even all, to be honest. Some of them are
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: like eights. But they are going to see if at
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: all they have somebody there and they are still entertaining
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the possibility that Deshaun Watson off.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: An Achilles tear, was it? That maybe he still got
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: something left.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: This is one of those situations where I would be, which...
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: I guess the fact that he's shown that he can
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: be an elite quarterback is enough that you would want
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: to give it a shot.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, five years ago.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would be scared that he actually played well.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Which I never want to be in a situation where
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I'm rooting against my own guys.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: And so like, if he played well for a short stretch,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: we talking about extending him?
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: That's what we talking about doing, guys.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Which like, Would lead to some cap relief in the
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: short term, but not in the long term.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man. Let's see what this draft's talking about.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Hey, and by the way, for the Browns, as I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: look at this, their draft seems to have been okay.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: They've had a lot of good drafts. Like, the roster
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: ain't terrible, man. Yeah, and they have.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I will just, to stop this from becoming, go to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: a place that's too far, perhaps, one of the best
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: defensive linemen of all time.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, it won't go too far with me.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just, I would say it for myself.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Like, we are approaching Lawrence Taylor territory in what we're seeing.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Like, Reggie White territory in what we're seeing.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: If they had ever made any good runs in the playoffs,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: the way that we talk about him would be entirely
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: different right now. Like, we would be, the like we
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: talk about aaron donald like he's one of the best
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: detect like he is the best detect whoever i think
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: that that argument could be made in part because he
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: has some memorable playoff runs but i could think of
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: other guys who were as effective and as important nobody
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: and maybe i'm gonna get myself in trouble i watched
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: a lot of football Ain't nobody been like this, man.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it's Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White in
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the pass rusher category.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Pass rusher outright destroyed.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: He's both, though.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. That's what I was about to say.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: The thing about Lawrence Taylor is those other two guys
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: are so much bigger than him. There's a difference between,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: now we just call them all edge rushers, but there's
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: a difference between being a 4-3 defensive end.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And Reggie White can also play defensively.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: And five technique also, but being a handout defensive end
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and being Lawrence Taylor outside linebacker at a time with
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the position didn't even really exist in the way it
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: is now. But yes, Miles Garrett is a little bit
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of both with not as, would he be better?
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: What do you think would help him more?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Some of Reggie White's Jesus or a little bit of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor's cocaine.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go ahead and say that on the
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: football field. Yes. I'm always leaning towards L.T. Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, so a little of the cocaine, because the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: thing was Reggie White would be out there talking about
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: an Old Testament guy with them. Like he was telling
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: them that God was going to strike them down when
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: he was coming.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: But I think, um, what is implied, obviously he don't
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: need to actually have the cocaine.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: That's a different situation.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: But at least the way you asked the question, I
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: was thinking like the way that he plays, he is, uh, level-headed. Like,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: you never see him out there doing John Randall things.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I know he swung a helmet at somebody, but generally,
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: which I know it sounds ridiculous, generally, he just out
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: there whooping your ass and dapping you up.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Lawrence Taylor is a different variety of crazy person.
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Right? Like, when you hear him talk about.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Playing, when you just, like, the NFL films clips of him, like,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: he's a terrifying person as opposed to simply being a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: terrifying opponent.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: As I go through my mind of the best defensive
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: lineman or edge rushers that in the history, the, the
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: archetype mentally is not the Jesus guy. Like we talking
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Charles Haley, we talking Lawrence Taylor, we talking John Randall.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess maybe Derek Thomas.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Is a little bit more like on the mellow side,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I go with what I know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Reggie white is just, the strongest man on like strong
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: in a way that you don't get from the gym.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: The clips. Well, there's two of them. One that time.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure Brian Billick was the offensive coordinator
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: when this happened. And I just don't understand how he
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: drew up a play that involved Chris Carter being the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: guy that had to block Reggie white. And all Reggie
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: white did was pick Chris Carter up and throw him
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: into Warren moon. There were three hall of famers in
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: this play that, One of them picked the other up
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and threw him at the third. And when you hear
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: me say that, you're like, he.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Didn't throw Chris Carter at him. Go look it up.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: He picked up a grown man and threw him into
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: another one like it was a bowling alley.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I remember that play. I remember it being the hump move.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to draw it up so I can
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: see it. And also like before him, did anyone like,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: that's a movie that Reggie White created.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Howie Long.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Howie Long is the hump move OG. However, I've never
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: seen the Howie Long hump move clips. I've only seen
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Reggie White, including the greatest, which is on Thanksgiving Day.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: He repeatedly threw Larry Allen around. It's like the hip
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: tossing wrestling is what the hump move is. This is
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: before we knew Larry Allen was Larry Allen, but we
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: weren't blind. We knew he weighed 350 pounds or whatever
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Did you get Chris Carter being thrown?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: No, no. It was worse than I remember.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Because you're right.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I remember thinking that he was going upfield and hit
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: him with a hump move. Reggie White stopped his feet
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: because he was like, oh, Chris Carter, what you doing here?
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, you trying to block me? And then took one
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: arm and bashed him.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: That's a great point. You're like, hey, what are you
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: doing on this side of the tag?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he stopped like... This ain't your neighborhood. Yeah. Bastard.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: But Miles Garrett has a lot of plays that are
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: shocking strength-wise like that also.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: And then he has that thing that he.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Calls the Eurostep that he did it to Trent Williams
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: this weekend. I'm sure you can find that tape where
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: he starts outside and George Kittle, two of the best
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: blockers in football, George Kittle and Trent Williams, are trying
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: to block him. This man gives George Kittle a shake,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: gets past him, and then plants off his outside foot
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: and throws his own body all the way to the inside.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: If you haven't seen it yet, you need to find it.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: And jumps all the way to the inside so much
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: so that Trent Williams, the most athletic big man you've
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: ever seen, can't get a hand on him.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: It's absurd.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: He plays for bums.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: And then he has the strength on top of it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: He's got all the attributes except for the crazy.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And he can hoop.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: He like playing with dinosaurs and shit. So it's interesting
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: because he doesn't have the crazy, but he had a
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: brother named Sean Williams who played basketball at Boston College who.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Appeared to have the crazy.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: If Sean Williams had his brother's temperament and Miles Garrett
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: had his brother's temperament, both of them would probably be
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: a little bit better.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Miles Garrett, there's another series of clips. I'm going to
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: send them to you at some point where you can
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: see what he does at his size and strength. He
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: turns his lower body. So like he'll sell upfield with
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: his upper body and then he'll turn his lower body
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: in order to make the cut to break inside on people.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: That's why his inside move is so ridiculous because the
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: O-linemen don't see it coming because somehow he has the flexibility.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: He just... He just got it all, man.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Man, speaking of having it all, we're going to switch
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: entire sports. It sounds like Giannis and the Bucs are
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: talking again about whether or not it's best for him
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to play for them, it's best for them to play
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: with him, so forth and so on.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: They don't really know what to do. I've said it. Oh, okay.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: It's worth noting that the last time I looked at
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the numbers, they were like fourth in the East, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: now they are 10 and 13. They have lost eight
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: of their last 10 games. That's why they're having.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: These conversations again. My bad. Like stay or go.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I just, I just don't know if it doesn't feel
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: that easy anymore. The trade me to a contender. The
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: word contender is a little more vague and trades are
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: a little harder.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Didn't he like grab something last night? Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: A calf.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on. In a way.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: That if it wasn't Giannis, we would raise the question
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: of shenanigans.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Remember when he hyperextended his knee?
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Yes. And we thought it was over? That he scored 60?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Like, what a championship, as I recall. I believe that
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: might have all been the same season.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: But no, after all these reports come out, and then
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: he hits the ground and say, my foot hurt.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: For many other NBA players, we'd be like, yeah, your
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: foot hurts. In his case.
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: i believe that he is actually hurt which by the
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: way y'all can talk all you want if he got
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: a calf injury i'm gonna need to see them mris
• 37:30
  Speaker 7: and everything else like y'all gonna need to hit the
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: zoom lens as tight as you can before you send
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: them over we start talking about a trade.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: For sure yeah now that that i mean the way
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: it happened was kind of scary it was one of
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: those like It wasn't even in course of play. He
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: just made a great play, great pass. And then he just,
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: it gets a little scary. I get your point. My
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: first thing when I saw that news this morning was
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: to think that there was shenanigans. Then I watched it
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: and I got real nervous and was like, I hope
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: the MRI is all right. That is, I mean, normally
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: you just, you heard it in practice if it's shenanigans.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: you ask it a lot of yourself as a performer.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: It's unnecessary. And I mean, in this day and age,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: you only got to hurt yourself. You just tell like
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: an NBA, tell them I ain't playing.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Well, also, also you can't do it like that in, in,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: on the court, in the NBA, no more in these
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: days and times. Cause quite honestly, they might, you might
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: be under FBI investigation.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I forgot about that.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: They about to go check the lines.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I believe y'all, this is, y'all, this is a believable guy.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: He even did, uh, The modern-day nonsense, which I guess
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: isn't nonsense.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: It's a thing now.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: It's the first step in the process is changing social media.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, he did that?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Whose job is that? Do you hire a company to
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: do that?
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: All right. I can't imagine that Giannis is scrolling through
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: deleting stuff.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: You get somebody to do that. We'll talk about that
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: a little bit more. But, yeah, you get somebody else
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: to go through and make those moves. There are companies
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: who do this, or whoever it is that you trust
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: with the passwords to put all the inane stuff nonsensical
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: posts that you put up to make the people feel
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: like you engage with them.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: But he's he got a lot of that can't go
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: back in him. And so that's why I don't think
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: he would do that.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Like, I think he always afraid he's going to get deported.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: And like the move into a contender thing is, I
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: guess this season kind of disproves that. But like, don't
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: you automatically become a contender when Giannis shows up?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, kinda.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Of, but it appears that you need to have a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: deep bag of players rather than one with a really
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: heavy thing in it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: First of all, everybody playing.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: For a second. They lost one game.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Everybody.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And the craziest part is everybody's playing for second. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you know what team is actually in a position to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: add Giannis without having to give up that much relative
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: to what they have them.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: They're the ones who could do that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: They could make a decision if they wanted to, to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: just be like, nah, we'd rather our run be like
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: seven years instead of 12. So how about we give you,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Jalen Williams, huh? We give you Jalen
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Williams and maybe a number one pick. Like they, like
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: they could make the trade and then be like, nothing
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: here is different than it was before.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: My gosh.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: Could you imagine if that he started playing the role
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: that we expect Chet to play? And it's like, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: they got having both on the court at the same time.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Like, Well, what if they call Milwaukee and it's like, well,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: y'all can have Chet. Houston had always been the team
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: that I had looked at. And, you know, the Houston
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: thing is we will not trade our man Thompson, and
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous. As good as I think that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: he could possibly be, I had him, Shingun, all of
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: y'all can go if we get in yards.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's positioning. I mean, come on. Y'all
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: are crazy.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I mean, look....
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: To get Paul George, the Clippers had to give up
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: now the second best player in the NBA.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: And look, none of us thought the shape was going
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: to be this good.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: But that was the one Presti's like, I ain't leaving
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: without that one.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Sorry for the detour. Do you have TikTok?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: If you send me something, I can look at it.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Okay. I mean, it's just a little.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: You didn't make the face that I was expecting when
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: I told you about the Miles Garrett move so I
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: assumed that maybe which is reasonable you didn't see it
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: give me a look you weren't watching this nonsense the
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: 49ers game.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: No I tried I did but yeah I am now
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: very curious to see what it is okay and the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: answer to your question am I on TikTok no but
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: if on your laptop you could watch it on oh
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: my god.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: How did what This motherfucker teleporting.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Yo, that is, I've never seen any player make, like
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: that's Barry Sanders.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: This 6'5, 300 pound, muscle bound man out here teleporting.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody on a football field make a
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: jump cut.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Like this is Marshall Falk caliber jump cut.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: That man jumping 10-yard jump.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yo, that's the kind of thing that makes a man
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Trent Williams age retire.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Like, yo, I guess I ain't got it no more.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Except then you go back and watch it on film
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, couldn't nobody else do that either.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: In fact, why doesn't he just do that every time?
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Because he could just go through you or go around you.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: That's the thing is the man got one of the
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: best speed rushes and can drop that shoulder and get
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: around the edge. He got it all, man. And his
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: defense is always really good, in large part because he
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: always out there.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: And yet they, as a collective, stink. Mm-hmm.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: He just driving people back to his power move is stupid. Ugh.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I can't stop watching this.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: That's why you could tell. I've been distracted. We did
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: the Giannis conversation. We can get back to it. But
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: I've been distracted the whole time because I was like,
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: Bomani really ain't react the way that I expected.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I didn't.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: And after you said that and I put it on,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, maybe... I'll need to watch it
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: a second time to fully understand.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Now that I'm watching it for the
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: 12th time.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And by the way, number 68 on the other side
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: was over there getting worked by the other defensive end.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: This was going to be a sack even if he
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: didn't get it done. He made that move and somebody
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: actually pushed Purdy into it, which had to make it
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: worse for Purdy.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Purdy had to be like, hey, what are you doing here?
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: You're supposed to be outside. I'm into Miles Garrett rabbit hole.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Do you remember when he was dribbling a basketball on
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: the field? Like fake dribbling a basketball over the center
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: for the Bengals?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Right before the snap. He was doing like the low crosses.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And then went for the rush. Yo, I just realized
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: what he did here. He did a stunt by himself.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: He was the outside and the inside.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: He was the one-man stunt. How is this possible?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, sorry for those of you who are not watching.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I imagine that Ryan can put this in what they
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: call a show notes.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Or something like that.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But you need to see what it is that I
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: just saw.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's so many of them. There's so many
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Hey, hey.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: That was against Tripp Williams. I'm looking at other stuff
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: against guys who ain't Tripp Williams.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Guys that aren't going to the Hall of Fame.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: That aren't a one-man offense.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: You show up, your offense get 10 points better immediately
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: when Tripp Williams shows up.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: It mattered not. Nothing that he had mattered. Right fast
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: before we get out of here. It feels like either
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs or the Texans It feels like one of
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: their seasons is going to end this week, but it
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: feels a little dramatic to say.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But I feel like if it's the Chiefs, it's over.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Is that fair?
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Chiefs have had a number of big
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: games already in this season, and I feel like they've
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: lost them all, which may be.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Well, they beat Indianapolis, right?
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they did beat Indianapolis. That was a big game win.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: You're right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: But this one, so maybe I was going to say
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: that maybe my best faith for the Chiefs is that
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: they do, but maybe they not do because they got
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: one big game win. But, I mean, I don't. I
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: don't feel confident for the Chiefs. Of course, Patrick Mahomes,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: we all respect him and we know it's possible. But
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: the O-line injuries combined with, I don't care if your
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: O-line is injured or not, that Texas defensive front is insane.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: And there are really no holes out there because it's
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: like we don't have to blitz. We also don't have
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: to sit back in coverage because we got cover guys.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Like they could blitz if they wanted to, but they
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: don't need to. And they could sit back and like
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: double team everybody if they wanted to, but they don't
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: need to because both of their corners are pretty good.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: You could attack the linebackers, I guess, in pass coverage,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: but that ain't a long– now you're going to have
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: to dink and dunk it all the way down the field,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: which I don't know. I don't feel great about this.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Of course, it's Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, all that stuff.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I have respect that they could get it done. But
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: the question is, will the Texans' offense be able to
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: score enough points? Because I don't think that the Chiefs'
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: offense is going to have much for this Texas defense.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: But if the Chiefs win this, it is totally possible
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: that they.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Could win out.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And if they get in the playoffs, then I mean,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's on the board. The big thing is
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: they need to catch the Chargers. Chargers are two games
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: up on them. I don't know what the tiebreaker is
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: if the Chiefs split because the Chiefs lost the first
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: game of the year of the Chargers.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: So I don't know exactly how it plays out.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: And I hope that Buffalo starts falling off, you know,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: which is, you know, which is 100 percent on the board.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Buffalo got the Bengals this weekend, so they might beat them.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to say this about the Texans.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And I've said this, people have been reluctant to get
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: back hip with this, but.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: We got to be real.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: The Will Anderson trade worked out.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Right, because it looked ridiculous.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: At the time because we thought they were going to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: be back in the top five the next year.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: No, they weren't, right?
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: It turned out to be a mid to late first
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: round pick that they sent to Arizona in order to
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: get Will Anderson.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: So they got C.J.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Stroud and Will Anderson in the same year. They got
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the two things you want to build around right there.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: And they got a great coach, and we just thought
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: that it was going to be smooth sailing for them.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: For some reason, they refused to address the offensive line issues.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: And their quarterback keeps getting hurt. And their receivers, they
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: losing receivers.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: It's rough. But this team was like expected.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Will you remember when they both brought in both those
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: rookies and they were great off the bat?
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: And we're like, all right. Long runway.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: They're getting towards the time where it's time to start
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: signing them people.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: And the runway gets a little bit more precarious.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're another one, though. They have a winning
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: out is on the board.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Chiefs, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers and the not as good as
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: they used to be Colts.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean, is this do you find this
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: year like more fun or less fun? I guess it's
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: not a fair question, but.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: It's a great question.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: I like there to be a great team.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Me too.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: And that, and that ain't here. Yeah.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, unless you think the 11 and two Patriots
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: are great and I've just can't, I can't get myself
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: there yet.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, the 11 and two Patriots have some issues.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: And of course they, the funny thing about that is they, they,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: their schedule hasn't been super tough, but then you look
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: around and like, ain't nobody out here.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: That's really that good. Yeah.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: It just, it feels like we are in a little
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: bit of a transition stage, but yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: But it also looks like all the good quarterbacks are
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: not going to make the playoffs. Like that's the part
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: that I don't know how.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Anybody actually feels about that.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Like if we look at who makes the playoffs right now,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: let me pull this up. So it gives me, uh
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: just who's gonna be in the playoffs right now okay
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: so the playoffs from the afc if they started today
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: drake may who is good but like not the guys
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: we're used to i guess it's a better way yeah
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: drake may bo nicks trevor lawrence i guess oh lamar
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: jackson i've heard of him Justin Herbert.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: He ain't playing well, though.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Right, he's not playing well. He's not healthy right now either.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: And then Daniel Jones.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: In the NFC, we are looking at Caleb Williams, Matthew Stafford,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: who gave you a Matthew, one of the other kinds
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: of Matthew Stafford games last week. Jalen Hurts, Baker Mayfield,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Don't believe it. And Jordan Love.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: This isn't, you know, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, like the guy,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Like the guys, they're not there.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Matt Prescott.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Who is playing lights out football guys. Like there will
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: be a football game played between this recording and and
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: uh you hearing this so it's possible that statement could
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: be laughable nah.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Nah it's not possible he's gonna play a game a
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: game in the dark because he's continuing he will continue
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: to play lights out football y'all can you can laugh
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: at me if you want to but i think i
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: feel pretty safe especially seeing what jordan love did to
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: that defense last week i don't want to talk about
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: it oh yeah i'm sorry i forgot oh man.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Look man here's the thing and this is the They're
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: hurt up and down again, and this happens with the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: 49ers too, the most physical team in the league. The
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: physics of it is such that you're going to take
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: some of those blows too. I still think this has
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: been a good team. The weakness we saw in week
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: one is the one that got them. The interior offensive
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: line has been a big problem. They're down on defense
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: like guys, so that's its own thing. But what do
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: you make of this? For people who don't know this story,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Frank Ragnow played center for the Lions for many, many years.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: He retired recently. after last season, he wanted to come
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: back this season. The Lions signed him.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: They gave him a physical and he failed the physical,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: not because it was like something wrong with his kidney
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: or something deep down in there. He had a grade
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: three hamstring strain and was trying to come play football.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Does he love the Lions that much?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I have so many questions.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: What was he doing, by the way, as a non-football player?
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Like, how do you get that level of, Maybe he's
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: still training, but also like I've never, like I've pulled
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: a quad before, but I've never.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Like had any hamstring issues, but like it hurts.
• 51:41
  Speaker 6: Grade three grade three mean his white leg was black
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: in that spot and his muscle was not functioning without
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: pain but he offensive lineman i i have no idea
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: what he thought when he showed up and knocked on
• 51:57
  Speaker 6: their door and was like hey ready to play.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: What he thought was wrong imagine the look on their
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: faces when they took that.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Mri and they held that bitch up to the light
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: and they were like look come come look come come
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: look at this is this you see what i see right.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: When he limped up to that to the facility and
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: knocked on the door what were all that what were
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: they thinking oh you just it's early in the morning
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: you still gotta warm up get some blood down i
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: feel you creaky it's creaky i feel you god i
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: don't get it at all and so that they just
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: like all right hi bye now see ya but.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: The fact that the lions entertained this at all tells
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you everything that you needed to know about where they stood.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: I assume they called him i assume they called him
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: right it's like they were having issues they probably called
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: his agent like hey what'd you think and he was
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: like yeah cool i mean my hammy hurt a little
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: bit but it's no big deal i.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Mean but who else did they call did they call
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: bruce matthews did they call john hannah Like, who else
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: got a ring?
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Kevin Glover.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: That's what I said. Lopez Brown.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Did you give these other guys a ring? I just
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: got the grade three.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: And I saw, without knowing the context, like NFL players
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: on Twitter being like, brother, grade three?
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you mean? What are you talking about?
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: And then it was like, I don't know the grading system,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: but I don't think I've ever heard grade three. Most
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: times you got strain or tear.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Because once it comes to grade three, the details don't matter.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: We never got there because normally like a strain is
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: a tear or it's like a small tear. So that's what,
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: that's like, I'm assuming like grade one. And then they
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: say it's a tear. I'm like, oh, that's bad. That's
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: grade two probably.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that you could do more than that.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: That's like a category five hurricane. Yeah. I've heard of it,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: but you didn't even need to tell me that. Just
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: tell me to leave.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Go home now. That's it. Don't need to go home.
• 54:01
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• 54:12
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• 54:13
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• 54:15
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