Latest / Austin Signal / Latest on ICE shooting, Camp Mystic investigation, AC in state prisons

Transcript

Latest on ICE shooting, Camp Mystic investigation, AC in state prisons · Austin Signal

0:08
A judge has set a hearing for the
0:10
end of this month in the case of
0:11
Wilbur Garces Perez, the man who was
0:13
shot by an ICE officer in Austin on
0:15
Sunday, and Garces Peres
0:17
must be present for that hearing.
0:20
Austin police released a pair of
0:21
videos on Tuesday showing a before
0:23
and after perspective of the
0:24
incident, where they came from, and
0:26
what they show.
0:27
And Camp Mystic is under
0:28
investigation by the Texas Rangers,
0:30
who may be pursuing criminal charges
0:32
against the camp after 28 people
0:33
died during flooding last summer.
0:35
Plus, Texas must install air
0:37
conditioning at all of its state
0:39
prisons by the end of 2029.
0:41
More about the ruling from a federal
0:42
judge coming up on today's show.
0:44
The Austin Signal is a production
0:46
of KUT News, hosted by
0:48
Jerry Quijano.
0:49
And in case you didn't get enough
0:51
music after Ham Day, we've got the
0:52
best songs from September that you
0:54
absolutely need to know.
0:56
That's up next, right here on
0:58
Austin Signal.
1:09
Howdy out there, this is Austin
1:10
Signal. I'm your host, Jerry
1:12
Quijano. It is Wednesday, September
1:14
23rd. Thank you for tuning in
1:15
and making us part of your day.
1:18
The KUT Newsroom is working to bring
1:20
you the latest about the ICE
1:21
shooting that happened in North
1:22
Austin on Sunday.
1:23
Austin police are conducting their
1:25
own investigation into that
1:26
shooting. And they've shared with
1:27
the public video showing that the
1:29
man, Wilbur Garces Perez, was pulled
1:31
over earlier that afternoon.
1:33
As we hear from KUT's Gabriel
1:35
Velasquez-Neda, Police also
1:37
say there was a vehicle pursued
1:39
prior to the shooting.
1:41
Austin Police and Mayor Kirk Watson
1:42
held a news conference Tuesday
1:44
afternoon and
1:48
presented some information that
1:50
contradicts what Wilbur Garces
1:51
Perez, the man who was shot by ICE
1:53
and his lawyer, have been saying
1:54
about what happened.
1:55
Wilbur is a young man, he is
1:57
about to be 29, from Venezuela.
1:59
At the news conference, Police Chief
2:01
Lisa Davis showed dashcam video
2:02
recorded by an off-duty police
2:04
detective of a traffic stop about 10
2:06
to 15 minutes before the shooting.
2:08
The Department of Homeland Security
2:10
tells QUT the stop was targeted.
2:12
The video shows ICE agents and
2:13
vehicles surrounding Garces Perez's
2:15
car.
2:16
Davis says what followed was a
2:18
vehicle pursuit of about 15 minutes.
2:20
There is some video that we have and
2:21
again we're processing that video of
2:23
a pursuit that went through some of
2:24
the neighborhoods there.
2:25
That contradicts what Garcés Pérez's
2:26
lawyer told my KUT colleague earlier
2:28
that day.
2:29
What he has said is that he was
2:31
sideswiped by a big black vehicle.
2:33
He didn't know that it was a police
2:36
vehicle.
2:37
And when he realized that
2:39
he is being pulled over by the
2:41
police, he was trying to get his car
2:43
off of, out of the
2:45
middle of the road.
2:46
And they rammed him again
2:48
very hard. You can see the
2:50
side of the car is just completely
2:52
damaged.
2:53
And then before he could even get
2:55
out of his car, an agent came up on
2:56
the passenger side and shot through
2:58
the window.
2:59
The next video is shown by EPD with
3:00
cell phone and body cam footage of
3:02
the traffic stop.
3:03
Now, a warning to listeners, we're
3:05
about to hear the moment Garces
3:06
Perez was shot.
3:12
Chief Davis says not all the video
3:14
or audio is being revealed because
3:15
of the ongoing investigation.
3:17
So in the next video shown, we don't
3:19
actually hear what the APD officer
3:21
and the ICE agent say to each other.
3:23
What we do hear is Garza-Esperez
3:25
saying he was shot in the back
3:26
shoulder.
3:27
My shoulder, my shoulder, I lost my
3:29
shoulder Okay
3:31
and that he was unarmed.
3:33
Armless? Armless, here or no?
3:35
No.
3:36
The next video is from a bystander
3:37
at the scene asking Garces Perez why
3:39
he was shot and him saying it was
3:41
because he didn't stop.
3:42
Did he just shoot you for shooting
3:44
you? Well, don't stop me
3:46
His lawyer, Kate Lincoln Goldfinch,
3:48
says there needs to be more
3:49
transparency from DHS.
3:51
The public is trying to piece
3:52
together a narrative with incomplete
3:54
information.
3:55
So we have a bunch of bystander
3:57
video footage and the timeline and
3:59
the spacing of the event is really
4:01
unclear to us at this time.
4:03
And ultimately that's because DHS
4:05
has refused to turn over their
4:06
dash cam footage and their body
4:08
cam footage.
4:09
Gartez Perez is in an ice detention
4:11
facility in South Texas with the
4:13
bullet still in his back.
4:14
His lawyer says he's been giving a
4:16
morphine drip at a San Antonio
4:17
hospital and then Tylenol and
4:19
ibuprofen at the detention facility.
4:21
He also has a hearing before a judge
4:23
in San Antonio scheduled for
4:24
September 30th, which temporarily
4:26
halts his deportation order.
4:27
I'm Gabriel Velasquez-Neda in
4:29
Austin.
4:37
An Austin-based federal judge has
4:38
ordered Texas to install air
4:40
conditioning in all of its prisons
4:41
by the end of the decade.
4:43
Tuesday's ruling from district judge
4:45
Robert Pittman is the latest
4:46
development in a years-long battle
4:47
over hot temperatures in state
4:49
lockups, which advocacy
4:51
groups say have led to heat-related
4:53
illnesses and even deaths of some
4:55
inmates.
4:56
KUT's government accountability
4:57
reporter Andrew Weber has been
4:59
following the story.
4:59
He's with us now for more.
5:01
Welcome back to the show, Andrew.
5:02
Yes, sir. Thanks for having me,
5:03
Chair.
5:03
Okay, so first give us a little bit
5:04
of background here.
5:05
Who are the plaintiffs and what are
5:06
they alleging?
5:07
The plaintiffs are three groups
5:09
that have folks either
5:11
who are incarcerated or family
5:13
members or comprised of family
5:14
members who are incarcerated and
5:17
basically they're saying that the
5:18
conditions in state jails are
5:20
inhumane.
5:21
The temperatures there in the summer
5:22
because they're on air conditioned
5:23
regularly get into the triple
5:25
digits and that's led to
5:28
deaths and heat related illness.
5:30
TDCJ has said that it has
5:32
downplayed the sort of effect
5:34
of heat.
5:35
And they've said that we're trying
5:36
to do the best we can to
5:38
provide mitigation strategies,
5:41
fans and sort of cool
5:43
rags for an air conditioned
5:45
units, but they say that's not
5:47
enough and they say the
5:49
agency has kind of slow walked plans
5:51
after years and years and year of
5:52
litigation.
5:53
So tell us a little bit more about
5:54
this rule.
5:54
Ruling from Judge Pittman, what's in
5:56
it?
5:57
Yeah, it's 150 pages.
5:59
So a lot, and a lot of it isn't
6:02
super shocking if you've been
6:03
following this lawsuit.
6:05
Last year, Judge Pittman said that
6:06
this was basically unconstitutional.
6:09
The CDCJ didn't have
6:11
a plan that was,
6:13
you know, that they were basically
6:15
slow-walking it and because of that,
6:17
people were either succumbing
6:19
to heat-related illness or dying.
6:20
He said that
6:22
this was, they were basically
6:24
ignoring the problem and
6:26
that they This was cruel
6:28
and unusual punishment for the
6:30
two thirds of folks who are living
6:32
in these units that are on air
6:33
conditioned, which is about 90,000
6:34
inmates.
6:35
90,00 inmates, how many facilities
6:37
are we talking about here?
6:39
86, 86 prisons that TDCJ
6:41
runs.
6:43
And their argument has been,
6:45
okay, well, a lot of these buildings
6:46
are really old.
6:48
The oldest prison in Texas in
6:49
Huntsville was built in 1849.
6:52
Rusk was built 1883.
6:54
Uh, so these buildings are hard to
6:56
retrofit and, and it's, and it's
6:58
costly, they've said that it could
6:59
cost up to $1.4 billion.
7:01
And they said that, you know, in the
7:03
interim, we're trying to get as many
7:05
beds as we can online with air
7:06
conditioning, uh, 53,000
7:08
at last count, uh, at the beginning
7:10
of the month.
7:11
Um, but you know that this could
7:12
take until at least 2020 or
7:14
2033.
7:15
Excuse me. What has been the
7:16
response so far from TDCJ?
7:19
They have said that they, they
7:21
disagree with this ruling, um, that
7:23
there and that they're going to
7:25
appeal it.
7:26
And, you know, keep in mind, this
7:27
is, you know, Texas has been sued
7:29
over its lack of AC in
7:31
prisons for 13 years.
7:33
This has been a lengthy process.
7:36
And I talked to one of the one of
7:37
the plaintiffs from this case
7:39
and the previous case that in
7:41
2018 that that forced the
7:43
the agency to air condition
7:45
its facility at the PAC unit
7:48
in Navasota.
7:49
His name is Charlie Maluf.
7:50
And he said that, you know, he's
7:51
disappointed that they want to
7:53
appeal this and when they could
7:54
just, basically install air
7:56
conditioning units.
7:58
To sit there and file an appeal
8:00
is an absolute
8:02
waste of taxpayers'
8:04
dollars.
8:06
Okay, as you said, this has been a
8:07
years-long battle, and I'm guessing
8:09
this probably won't be the last
8:11
word on this. What are you keeping
8:12
an eye on going forward?
8:14
I'm keeping an-
8:15
what this appeal will look like from
8:17
the state, because this is
8:19
gonna go to the Fifth Circuit Court
8:20
of Appeals, and they've ruled
8:22
on this issue before,
8:24
heat and incarceration,
8:26
specifically in Angola and
8:27
Louisiana, and
8:29
there was this sort of distinction
8:30
of, okay, the state agency
8:32
in Louisiana was able
8:34
to do something,
8:36
but even if it wasn't
8:39
addressing the overall problem of
8:41
solving heat mitigation,
8:44
that the state could argue that, you
8:45
know, we're doing something and, you
8:47
know, we're not doing nothing.
8:49
All right, that is Andrew Weber.
8:50
He is KUT's government
8:51
accountability reporter.
8:53
We're gonna have a link to his
8:53
reporting in today's show notes.
8:55
Andrew, thanks for coming back on
8:56
the show. Yes sir, thank you, Jerry.
9:05
It has been more than a year since
9:07
28 people died at Camp Mystic during
9:09
torrential flooding of the Hill
9:10
Country, and as folks continue to
9:12
look for answers, the staff at the
9:14
Girl Summer Camp in Kerr County is
9:16
being investigated for manslaughter
9:17
and other criminal offenses.
9:19
This new information comes from 14
9:21
search warrants filed last week by
9:23
the Texas Rangers.
9:24
And for more about that, we're
9:25
talking with Kaylee Hunt, she is
9:27
KUT's Williamson County reporter.
9:29
Kaylee, thanks for being here.
9:30
Thanks, Jerry. Okay, so first of
9:32
all, how long have the Texas Rangers
9:33
been investigating this?
9:35
Yeah, so the Rangers began
9:37
investigating Camp Mystic
9:39
and this criminal inquiry
9:41
back in March
9:43
of this year.
9:45
And that came after it was revealed
9:47
that hundreds of complaints
9:49
had been made against
9:51
camp in the wake
9:53
of the July 4th.
9:54
So there's the hundreds of
9:56
complaints in it. We mentioned those
9:57
14 search warrants.
9:58
What is in those search warants?
10:01
Yeah, so first
10:02
of all, these search warrants
10:04
basically allow the Texas Rangers
10:06
to investigate electronic
10:08
data from the
10:10
camp's leadership.
10:11
There was, as you mentioned, 14 of
10:13
them. Those included members
10:16
of the Eastland family,
10:18
which owns and runs the
10:20
camp, as well as different
10:22
staff members of camp,
10:24
including some senior counselors.
10:26
And these
10:28
warrants are really significant
10:30
because They've essentially
10:32
given us the clearest picture yet
10:34
of what kinds of possible criminal
10:35
charges the Rangers are
10:37
investigating.
10:38
So in the documents, the Rangers say
10:40
that they have probable cause to
10:41
believe the camp's leaders committed
10:43
manslaughter, criminally negligent
10:46
homicide, injury to a child,
10:48
abandoning or endangering a child
10:50
and deadly conduct.
10:51
Yeah, and you started reporting on
10:53
this story yesterday.
10:54
You're telling us a little bit about
10:55
the search warrants.
10:56
What else can we glean?
10:57
What other information can we take
10:58
from these warrants that were filed
10:59
by the Texas Rangers?
11:01
Yeah. And so, you know, it is
11:02
important to note that these
11:03
warrants do not mean that
11:05
any official charges have been
11:07
filed against the camp.
11:09
They've not been, the cases, there's
11:11
no case yet, hasn't been presented
11:12
to a grand jury.
11:13
But it does signal
11:15
that the Texas Rangers are
11:19
still investigating the
11:21
camp despite it not
11:23
opening.
11:24
This summer is it originally
11:26
intended to when they began
11:27
investigating back in March of last
11:29
year.
11:30
March of this year, sorry,
11:32
and yeah, it gives us
11:34
a clear look to be on the lookout
11:35
for possible charges here in the
11:37
future.
11:38
Is this the only investigation that
11:40
is looking into finding out more
11:41
about what happened or are there
11:43
other legal proceedings that are
11:44
going on in the mix as well?
11:45
No, there's definitely a lot
11:48
going on with this event.
11:50
If you remember earlier this
11:52
summer, you had a
11:54
joint legislative committee.
11:56
They had an independent investigator
11:58
look at the flooding event, focusing
12:00
primarily on Camp Mystic.
12:02
That investigator released their
12:03
report earlier this year, in
12:05
fact, it's actually mentioned in
12:06
these search warrant affidavits
12:08
as evidence.
12:09
And then also remember that
12:11
more than a dozen families are also
12:13
suing the camp.
12:14
And its leaders for negligent
12:16
behavior leading up to the flood.
12:18
And so those cases
12:19
are still ongoing, however, they've
12:21
kind of been put in limbo since the
12:23
camp declared bankruptcy earlier
12:24
this year.
12:25
Okay, we have been speaking with
12:27
Kaylee Hunt. She is KUT's Williamson
12:29
County reporter. She's been doing a
12:30
lot of reporting on the
12:32
flooding aftermath for us, including
12:34
a podcast for the Texas newsroom.
12:35
After the flood, make sure and
12:37
listen to that.
12:38
Kaylee, thank you for your time
12:39
today.
12:49
Alright, we got a whole lot more
12:51
coming up your way and got this
12:53
little blurb here from the KUT
12:54
Art Beat.
12:56
Austin Opera is unveiling a new
12:57
art center this week ahead of the
12:59
premiere of its bilingual opera
13:01
Ofrenda.
13:02
Named after some longtime
13:03
supporters, the Sarah and Ernest
13:05
Butler Performance Center in
13:06
southeast Austin is Austin Opera's
13:09
new permanent home.
13:10
Stephanie Federico, the Art Beat
13:12
editor here at KUT News
13:14
has more on our website.
13:16
And we have plenty more for
13:18
you to catch up on.
13:19
It has been a very busy week.
13:21
If you have been following the show,
13:23
you can keep up with all that we're
13:25
doing at kut.org
13:27
slash Signal.
13:28
And on the KUT app,
13:29
this is Austin Signal.
13:31
Thank you for tuning in.
13:39
This is Austin Signal.
13:41
Thank you for tuning in.
13:42
We're coming up on the end of
13:43
September. That means it's time to
13:45
share with you the best songs from
13:47
this month. And here with more about
13:48
that is our buddy Ryan Wen.
13:50
He's a producer and host over at
13:51
KUTX. Great to see you again, Ryan.
13:53
Hey Jerry, thanks for having me
13:54
again.
13:54
Of course, we're ready to hear what
13:56
you got to tell us about so let's
13:58
just start right off the bat and
13:59
tell us What's the new one from
14:00
rickshaw Billy's burger patrol?
14:01
Ah yes, Rickshaw Billy's Burger
14:03
Control.
14:04
They are Austin's resident doom
14:06
metal gods of mischief and
14:08
they are
14:10
a self-described doom-wop band,
14:12
but it's kind of like, they have
14:14
this hilarious self-awareness to
14:16
their naming conventions.
14:18
On their new single, Cash Grab,
14:21
this silly naming convention might
14:22
actually be kind of a mask
14:24
to hide some pretty personal
14:26
introspective lyrics.
14:28
And also, this is their most
14:29
pop-forward.
14:30
Single to date and I actually think
14:32
that's like a really good
14:34
addition to the doom metal
14:36
doomgaze Sounds that can
14:38
sometimes need a little levity.
14:40
It's a little too do me for even the
14:41
doomiest of us
14:51
You know it feels so good
15:00
Need for that beverage
15:02
that will fill my...
15:04
But nonetheless, it's an incredible
15:06
single, really pulling from some
15:07
interesting places.
15:09
In particular, hearing a little bit
15:10
of Built to Spill in it as well.
15:12
So there's like an indie rock
15:13
sensibility happening while still
15:15
having their like, you know,
15:17
trademark kudgeling
15:18
doom metal riffs and, you
15:20
now, all the expectations
15:22
you'd have from Rick Shaw Billy's
15:24
Burger and Patrol.
15:25
But this metamorphosis is like
15:26
really cool, I think, from them and
15:28
I am really excited to hear more
15:29
from them in this direction.
15:31
Very cool, it sounds like Built to
15:33
Spills, they're kind of a theme a
15:34
little bit of the songs featured
15:36
this month, so we're gonna touch on
15:37
that in a little.
15:38
Tell us, the next song is called
15:40
Pretty Boy Floyd, who's that from?
15:42
So, Pretty Boy Floyd is originally
15:44
done by Woody Guthrie,
15:46
but famously covered by The
15:47
Birds in their classic record, The
15:49
Sweet Heart of the Rodeo, which
15:50
sometimes considered like the first
15:52
classic rock album.
15:54
And Israel Nash is releasing this
15:55
Friday, a reimagination of
15:58
Sweet Heart Of The Rodeio, which may
15:59
or may not ruffle a few feathers
16:00
because it is a beloved
16:02
album.
16:03
And you know, when people cover
16:05
albums that some consider to
16:07
be perfect, it's like, You know,
16:09
people get upset sometimes.
16:10
Of course, people have feelings.
16:11
Mm-hmm, and you know I've been there
16:13
myself, but you know in hindsight
16:14
especially with this album You
16:16
know in 1968 when the birds released
16:19
sweetheart of the rodeo which by the
16:20
way only has two original songs on
16:22
it It upset a lot of people
16:24
they went to the grand old Opry and
16:25
they got booed off the stage They
16:27
were messing with country music in a
16:28
way that people did not appreciate
16:30
so you know Israel
16:32
Nash if there's anyone that should
16:33
be reimagining this record it
16:35
should be him because he's been
16:37
you know, pushing the boundaries of
16:39
Americana for like 10 plus
16:41
years now, bringing this like really
16:43
cool, expansive, ambient
16:45
tint to it.
16:51
You
17:10
He really brings that out in this
17:12
reimagination of it in a way that
17:13
kind of reminds me of Gene Clark
17:14
that wasn't with the birds in 1968,
17:17
but nonetheless, he seems to be
17:18
carrying the spirit of Gene Clarke
17:20
in this one, and I really, really
17:21
dig it.
17:21
Very cool, okay, the next artist
17:23
on your list is named Bruce,
17:26
all caps, who is Bruce?
17:27
Bruce, you may know as
17:29
Carrie Fussell, who was once the
17:31
front human of Calliope musicals.
17:33
She was kind of like Austin's, you
17:35
know, Technicolor fairy that
17:37
spread mischief and whimsy around
17:39
town. If you ever saw Callipe
17:41
musical live, they were so
17:43
much fun.
17:44
But Bruce is her new project,
17:46
began a couple years ago with
17:48
actually the encouragement of
17:50
the late great John D.
17:51
Graham, who invited her to be on the
17:53
stage with him at his Wednesday
17:54
residencies at the Consonel's Club.
17:56
And it's much more like personal
17:58
vehicle for Carry Fussel.
18:18
I believe I'm a man
18:21
and it is mostly a solo project
18:23
and the new single is her first
18:24
since her debut, Must Love Teeth.
18:26
It's like this under
18:28
toe of like harsh electronic
18:30
sounds and then Carrie Fussell's
18:32
operatic voice soaring
18:35
above these like electronic tones.
18:37
And it reminds me at least that
18:39
Carrie Fustle is a classically
18:40
trained vocalist and her
18:42
chops are incredible and highly
18:44
recommend checking out this one.
18:45
It's a really cool direction for
18:46
her.
18:47
Okay, I mentioned there was a bit of
18:49
a theme of Bill to Spill, and that
18:51
comes up with this next artist,
18:52
Stalefish.
18:53
Who are they and what's the song?
18:54
So, Stalefish, they just released
18:56
the song Big Fan.
18:57
I only recently heard of them,
18:59
and they are a six-piece
19:01
band from Austin.
19:03
They have been coming up for a
19:04
couple years now, and they're
19:06
bringing an indie rock
19:08
sound that obviously,
19:10
as mentioned, is a little influenced
19:12
by Bilt to Spill, the Doug Marsh
19:13
school of guitar fuzz
19:15
and winding guitar
19:17
riffs, but they're also bringing in
19:19
some really, a lot of different
19:21
kinds of indie rock sounds, switch.
19:23
You know, at this point, there's a
19:24
lot of bands that be called indie
19:25
rock from bands like, you know,
19:27
Sebado to the Feelies.
19:29
It's like those bands couldn't be
19:30
more different.
19:31
But nonetheless, this band has kind
19:33
of like a compassed all of these
19:34
sounds in a way that's really
19:36
interesting.
19:36
And the new single Big Fan,
19:39
it's like this, you know, snide
19:41
social commentary on like the
19:43
sycophantic kind of things that can
19:44
happen in music scenes.
20:08
But it's done in this, like,
20:10
vaguely pop-punk,
20:12
fun, incredibly catchy way.
20:14
I think they've, like reached indie
20:16
rock self-actualization with this
20:18
single. It's, it's like a really
20:19
great combination of sounds.
20:20
They're the best that do it in
20:21
Austin a long time.
20:22
Alright, so tell us what's the final
20:24
song on your list this month.
20:24
The final song in the list
20:26
is Stalefish, or not Stale Fish,
20:28
it's Star Flake, sorry, there's a
20:30
lot of, you know, repetition,
20:32
but nonetheless, Star Flakes.
20:34
So Star Flaked is a
20:36
new project from someone you may
20:37
recognize, Jackie O'Brien.
20:39
He's one of the co-founders of the
20:40
Bright Light Social Hour.
20:41
And this is a project for him, they
20:43
just released their debut LP
20:45
earlier this month.
20:47
But it's like this
20:49
genre agnostic,
20:51
creatively liberated project.
20:53
It goes between so many different
20:54
sounds,
20:57
kumbia, psychedelic rock,
21:00
afrobeats sometimes.
21:02
But it was a project that in a
21:04
recent Austin Chronicle interview,
21:05
he revealed that it was inspired by
21:07
grief, actually. His brother had
21:09
passed away, but something his
21:10
brother had always told him was to
21:12
stop caring about what other people
21:13
thought about his art.
21:15
And you know That led
21:16
him to kind of pursue this
21:18
project, which is very open-minded.
21:21
He found a lot of other open- minded
21:22
musicians, like musicians from Como
21:24
Las Movies, some experimental
21:26
electronic musicians from Austin,
21:27
and it really shows in this album.
21:29
It's like coming from all these
21:30
different directions.
21:31
Take it away.
21:44
Don't, don't,don't,Don't,
21:47
Don't let go
21:48
And more than anything, even though
21:50
it has a lot of different sounds,
21:52
the common theme in it is just joy.
21:54
It's a really fun,
21:56
danceable album, and you wouldn't
21:58
expect where it's coming from, but
21:59
he's really transmuted this part
22:01
of his life into something that's
22:02
very beautiful and
22:04
freeing and community-oriented.
22:07
And the single, Don't Let
22:09
Go, that I wrote about is
22:11
like this callback to early
22:13
aughts Electro Clash, like LCD Sound
22:15
System. But then there's like this
22:17
Kraftwerkian like
22:19
tropicalia thing going on.
22:21
It's like, it's really interesting.
22:23
And like, it's also
22:25
like really fun and danceable.
22:27
It's a weird combination of sounds
22:28
that just works and Starflake has
22:30
really achieved something really
22:31
cool here.
22:33
Krafverkian tropicalia.
22:34
That's just why I like talking to
22:35
you, Ryan. You say sentences that
22:36
have never been said on the radio
22:38
before.
22:39
We'll have more about the best songs
22:40
from this month in today's show
22:42
notes, and thanks to our buddy Ryan
22:43
Wen from KUTX for keeping us in
22:45
the groove. Ryan, thank you very
22:46
much. Thanks, Gary.
22:51
And thank you out there for spending
22:53
the day with us.
22:54
We have more news at kut.org
22:56
slash signal.
22:57
Our team is Caroline Fial, Alexandra
22:59
Hart and Kristin Cabrera.
23:01
I'm your host, Jerry Kikano.
23:02
We'll be back at the same time
23:03
tomorrow. Talk to you then.