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Haunted Holidays: From Dickens to Hat Man · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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I'm sitting here looking at this thing and I'm like trying to figure out like what am I seeing?
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And so I remember trying to call down to my friend and wake her up and see her like she was seeing this too.
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I couldn't get her to wake up.
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Oh, which I feel like was kind of weird.
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Probably thankfully for her, I don't know. I don't know what would have happened.
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Yeah.
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If she did wake up.
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That's interesting.
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Oh, I love it.
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[CLAP] And scene.
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Oh, ho, ho.
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I'm out of Christmas clothes as we previously discussed.
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So I'm on to just whiskey, winter weather.
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Yeah, just winter weather.
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Yeah, it's winter vibes.
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Not everyone celebrates Christmas.
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It's fine.
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We don't have to be Christmasy every day in December.
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Right.
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Some people celebrate whiskey weather.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, I did not run out of Christmas clothes.
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As you can see, I have two Christmas sweaters.
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Yeah.
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One by me, one on me.
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I guess I should have asked to borrow one.
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Yeah.
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I do have a Santa hat.
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I guess I could have put that on.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello.
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We just kind of started talking.
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No, we did.
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That's now we're starting.
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Okay.
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And here we are.
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Cheers.
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And then we'll start.
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Okay.
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We're real.
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We're real.
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Happy holidays.
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If you didn't know who we were, we're PNW Haunts and Homicides, where me and Caitlyn chat about true crime,
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the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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That felt very pointed.
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I feel like she wants me to say something.
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It's PNW.
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If you're nasty.
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And you're nasty.
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And we know you are.
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And we also do a terror reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into what we're talking about that day.
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And have a little fun.
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Have a little palette cleanser.
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So we have some business before we start our business.
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Do we?
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We do actually.
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And this has kind of been old one.
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I don't know if you guys remember Lori from the Portland Ghost Tours episode.
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That was our Halloween episodes.
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If you haven't watched it yet or listened to it, go back.
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It's really fun.
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Yeah.
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Lori's a great storyteller and she gets so into it that she sometimes mistakes her words, which we do too.
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We say wrong words all the time.
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Don't even realize it, especially me.
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It's happened once or twice.
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So when she watched the episode, I got this text from Lori and she said, oh my God, the mirror from the Benson, the giant Benson.
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Yeah, the Benson.
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Yeah.
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Is from France and she mistakenly said Germany, which I didn't even.
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Oh, and she said Austria.
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Maybe.
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But she says it's from France.
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I can't believe I made that mistake.
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The building is the French Empire exterior.
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Yes.
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And the building was designed by a Portland architect that designed a mini iconic Portland buildings.
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I love it.
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So anyway, she wanted me to make that little correction for you guys, but got your storytelling was just so good that I don't think anyone would notice.
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And if you do and you're that nitpicky that someone just makes a little mistake, then.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Get out of here.
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Get over yourself.
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And I will say too, whether it was, you know, a mirror that came from France, Germany or Austria, it's like.
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Well, that's like saying something is from like Washington state.
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Oops, it's actually from Oregon.
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Right.
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It's like that's like our next door neighbor.
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It's, you know, not to say that it's like all the same or anything like that.
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I don't know geography.
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It could be anywhere.
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I don't know.
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No, no, I mean, those are all like neighboring countries in Europe.
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So I feel like there's influences from each of them.
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So.
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And there's been either there's like a plaque on it too.
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So if you go and actually visit it, you can read the plaque and you can, you know, do a little fact checking on everyone.
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Everyone you talk to if they give you a fact, which this did happen to me recently.
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And I repeated the fact on the show.
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And then I was like, wait, I'm going to Google that and I did.
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And it was totally wrong.
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So I cut it out.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Oh, we also have some Patreon shout outs.
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We do.
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Yeah, we have a few new Patreon members.
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Hi.
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Hello.
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Hello.
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First, we have Monica and Jan who subscribed for a year at the dollar tier.
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A whole year.
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A whole last year.
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A whole year of a year.
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A whole year of a year.
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Sorry about it.
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Yeah.
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A whole year of crazy ass.
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Here is a.
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Don't subscribe.
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Yeah.
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Didn't we have someone who recently like upgraded to.
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I created.
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Yes.
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Amy, right?
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Yes.
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I'm positive.
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It was Amy.
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Amy, if it wasn't you, then you don't even know what we're talking about.
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So it could be anybody that we're talking about.
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No, I think you're right because Amy also reached out because we sent a newsletter because
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we do that sometimes.
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Probably not enough to justify what we pay for the service that like helps us do that.
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But you would like to help us with newsletters.
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Please contact us.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And we did say like if there are people that are interested in, you know, becoming Facebook
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admins or, you know, just different things that like they want to be involved in reach out
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to us.
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And I was like, I actually, I didn't think that we got any responses right away.
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And then I went back and looked like a week later and I was like, Oh my god, I feel so bad.
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I don't know how I didn't see this, but people did respond.
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Oh, yeah.
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We had people that.
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We have someone that's setting up a discord for us.
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Yes.
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That's so exciting.
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Because I have no clue.
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I went on there a couple of times for some other stuff and I was like, this, I don't understand.
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This is too much for me.
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I can't do this.
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I feel like I get it in theory, but also it's just one of those things where we've talked
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about this so many times.
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It's just, it's so time consuming to do like initial setup and, yeah.
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And you know, the other thing is we can't be in all places at the same time.
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So we're not Santa.
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You guys.
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Yeah.
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Hardly.
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We're Ho Ho Ho's, but we are not Santa.
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Ho Ho Ho Ho.
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So.
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And our next feature on Shoutout is very exciting.
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Just particularly because YouTube is kind of new-ish for us, but we had somebody that actually
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found us through YouTube.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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Hi.
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And is now subscribing at the, what is she think and I love it?
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I love it.
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And I love it at $20 for a month.
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Think with two C's.
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Think with two C's.
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Because there's two C's here.
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Yeah.
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That's correct.
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I feel like I just did like the dog head tilt.
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Oh.
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Thank you, Lando.
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Thank you.
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I hope you enjoy all of the shenanigans.
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Yeah.
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That happens on Patreon.
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Oh.
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And I also saw when I was on Patreon that you can gift people Patreon memberships.
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Yes.
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So if you need to get someone a Christmas present, get them a Patreon membership to our, what's
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it called?
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Our page.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I actually, I did send that out to our, um, all of our newsletter subscribers.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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I'm sure, and I'm sure like if you listen to literally any other podcast on God's green
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earth, everybody has been talking about it because this is something that both creators
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and people that like support them have been asking for four years.
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Yeah.
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Like since before we ever started our own podcast.
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Yeah.
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I could see why it's a good, like, a little gift.
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Like a unique type of gift that's not just like, oh, here's a gift card or something.
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Like if you find out someone's favorite podcast.
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Yeah.
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I feel like that's something where, you know, people talk about different, I mean, whether
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it's a podcast or a different type of creator that like, oh, I really like this.
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That's such a thoughtful, like thing to be able to say.
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Oh, now you like get their, you know, whatever their bonus content is.
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I think it's cool.
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I think so too.
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Yeah.
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You are interested in gifting a Patreon membership to someone or I don't know, I think you could
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probably technically use it for yourself.
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Creepy person in your life that might be you.
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Yeah.
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I'm creepy as a cult coming from inside the house.
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It is.
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It almost always is.
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I will go ahead and get the link over to our show notes so that we can let people know
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how to use that, how to do it.
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Do the things.
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Do it.
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Do it.
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Be like Lando.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And Monica and Jan and everyone else who's on our Patreon, we love you.
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Thank you so much.
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I don't know if we say it enough, but thank you so much.
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I know.
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It's really awesome.
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This is hard and we need your help.
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So thank you.
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I know.
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And you know what?
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I will try to stay on track and like actually do our show after this, but this is our
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show.
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But I do think that now we're kind of getting to a number of Patreons and people are sort
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of getting.
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Now people are finding us on YouTube and there's a lot of things that you can do to support
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creators through like the other platforms.
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But I think it's probably time to get our heads together and think about some Patreon
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goals and some different like rewards and things that we can do.
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Like when we reach certain numbers of members, I have some ideas.
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We've been done a giveaway and I wish to give away.
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While I was thinking that for sure.
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Yeah.
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Stay tuned.
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Always, stay tuned always.
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Just do it.
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Remember when we ask people, just play it constantly even if you're not listening to it.
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But well, speaking of Patreon and gifts and things that we send people for free because we love
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you and you're giving us money so you send you stuff for free.
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We had a story from one of my friends, Jessica, who is a Patreon member who told me something
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that happened with the spell jars.
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Oh, stop it!
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Yeah.
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Our spell jars!?
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So if you guys didn't know, if you're super new, we sometimes will send, we'll put together
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a little spell jars with a certain purpose.
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Like we've done a good luck one.
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A, what was the other one, self-love one?
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Yeah.
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I think those are the two we've done.
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Yeah, those are the two we've done so far.
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And then we send them to you guys just, you know, see how a little something, something
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fun and witchy and cool.
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Yeah.
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And this was one of the good luck spell jars.
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Okay.
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And I will read you.
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She sent me this little story in a text message.
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I did have to redact some information.
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Okay.
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That's fair.
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Just because, well, you'll see.
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I'm so excited.
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Yeah.
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Because I don't, I know I told you this at the time.
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I don't know if you remember.
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We had someone that was not a member of the Patreon yet, but has since become one, what
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up?
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Hey, I think, I think you'll know who I'm talking about.
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Okay.
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Hi, Sam.
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Hi, Sam.
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Hi, Sam.
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Um, he actually reached out to us when we started talking about the spell jars that we sent
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out and he said, can I buy one?
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Oh, yeah.
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He's like, I want to become a member of the Patreon, but I just, you know, I'm not ready yet.
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But like if it's a one time thing, can I do that?
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And we were like, I guess so.
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Like, I don't see why not.
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Yeah.
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So.
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Yeah.
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If you want a spell jar, I'll hit us up.
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Oh, I was thinking about starting a netsy shop.
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Yeah.
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I don't know how that works.
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So that seems like a lot of work.
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It really does.
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We'll figure it out.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So Jessica's driving in her car and she says, I had a close encounter due to my poor judgment
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of distance.
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It's happened to me a lot.
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Yeah.
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And I thought for sure the other car was going to slam into my rear.
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That's what she said.
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And somehow the car and I were safe.
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So this has happened to me before because I have like my little bat protector, my bat
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being in my car.
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That is just like my, I say it's my protector.
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Yeah.
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This has happened to me so many times where I think, like I'm for sure getting hit.
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Like it's in my car.
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I don't know.
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And then it doesn't hit me.
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Don't know how it happens.
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But we both have something that hangs from our rear view mirror.
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That is like our little like kind of protector thing.
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Maybe that should be our next Patreon gift.
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I was seeing like a protection jar.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if you necessarily want that hanging from your mirror.
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Maybe.
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I just feel like sometimes go ask and like if it swings and I don't know.
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Yeah.
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We're in a noodle on it.
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Stay tuned.
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Stay tuned.
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I'm going to stop saying that I swear.
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So she goes on to say my instant thought was that it must have been the good luck spell
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jar.
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Like well, dirt.
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So that's your first thought like if that's the first thing you think of then yes, that
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is it.
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Like that's your intuition talking to you, right?
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Yeah.
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I think you know, your first instinct is usually correct.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then so she had me make her another one.
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Oh.
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Because she was like, well, then I want to like keep one.
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I want one with me all the time.
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There's one in the car and one with me all the time.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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So she says, when you gave me the second one, I put it in the car's glove compartment
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and the other one is in my backpack.
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So it's always with me.
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Okay.
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So the back windshield got smashed at a trail head.
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Well, they were parked in the I think in the parking lot.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Like a trail head parking lot.
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So like that's not good.
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Obviously, that's not very good luck.
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But it could have been a lot worse because there were wallets in the redacted because I
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don't want you guys to know where they hide their wallet.
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I knew it.
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But they were left unfound and they only stole a cooler full of beer, a bike pump and some
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used deodorant.
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So like they don't really get like the beer sucks.
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You got to get your window fixed.
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But that's some of the insurance is for them assuming.
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Yeah.
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I mean, as someone who has been through the same thing, it's not great.
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But you can have that fixed for like, you know, depending on your car and where you live
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and all that.
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And maybe a couple hundred bucks tops.
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Yeah.
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Not great.
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Well, that would suck if they also found like the wallets and anything else you might have
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had in your car that was worth anything.
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Exactly.
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I think it did work.
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Uh huh.
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And it was just a little guy.
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So like, I don't know maybe I need to make her like a mason jar.
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Seriously.
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She needs like the big girl size.
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But you know, it's not all about size.
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It's about intention.
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It's true.
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You know, what you do with it.
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Coming for me, that's funny.
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You should not be ocean or something about that.
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I was like, cushion for the push and I was like, wait, that's not even that's not even what
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that means at all.
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That's not at all related.
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That's what I know.
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I got that cushion.
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But if anyone has any other stories with their spell jars, if you have some good luck
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with it, if you have more self love because of it, I love myself love spell jar.
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It's my favorite.
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It's by my bed and I just look at it.
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You have one too.
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I have like a teeny teeny winy one.
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Yeah.
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You have one of the bigger girl sizes.
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Yeah.
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And then I wrote, maybe we should do a straight up protections bell jar next time.
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That's so crazy.
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Because we're always telling people to be safe too.
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Yeah.
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So I think protection is probably coming.
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I have so much black salt in preparation for this.
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Do you?
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So much.
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I love it because you know, I love nothing more than a nice fire and we've been doing
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them nightly.
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Yeah.
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Nightly and ever so rightly.
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Yeah, I think it's fun to just like take the ashes and just mishmash minds usually like
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incense ashes.
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Oh, yeah.
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And then I add glitter to it because it's more fun with glitter.
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Adorable.
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Chris is like, can you do this outside?
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My husband would be like, this seems like an outdoor project.
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But it's glitter inside of black salt.
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So it's fine.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's not as glittery, you know?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I'll let you explain that to him.
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Well, should we get into some some holly jolliness?
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Why do I feel like is that a euphemism?
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No.
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Yeah.
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Also, I'm going to talk about a different song.
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So that was kind of stupid.
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So like the song, it's the most wonderful time of the year says it's time for scary ghost
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stories.
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What?
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No, scary ghost stories and something else in it.
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I only know the scary ghost story part.
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It doesn't know.
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It's in the song.
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Okay.
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But I don't think they mean it like.
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Oh, no, they mean it.
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They mean it.
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Because I'm like, but wait, why are we trying to scare people during the hollyous jollyous
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season?
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Yeah.
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I feel like it begs the question.
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Well, I'll tell you why.
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Okay.
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Because I did a little research on Wax.
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So it's very curious.
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So thought that during the Victorian era, which is from 1837 to 1901.
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And I googled that when Queen Victoria ruled Great Britain and Ireland, which I'm not going
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to know, I've heard the term like Victorian era before.
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I did not relate it to like that was the person literally ruling.
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Cassie.
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This bitch is iconic.
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She's the reason people wear white wedding dresses.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Wasn't really a thing before her.
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Oh, well, thanks for nothing.
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I mean, people just loved it so much.
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It just like she is like the original influencer.
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That's so cool.
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Yeah.
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That's so funny.
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You said that because I just watched the Martha Stewart documentary and she is like the
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original influencer.
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Yes.
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I haven't finished it yet, but I was literally thinking about it as I tied our Christmasy
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bow on the wine bottle because I was like, show it.
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So it's like such a Martha Stewart.
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It's such a Martha Stewart moment.
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What really is?
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I mean, it's not probably the most Martha Stewart effort with the bow.
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I'm sure she would ridicule you for that.
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The thing I learned about Martha is a bitch.
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It's like fine for like dudes to be rude and stuff, but it's like automatically a woman
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is a bitch.
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But like to me, it's not okay to be rude and like demeaning and demoralizing to people.
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Yeah.
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So like I have respect for her, but she's not the nice person.
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No, I mean, she really is just like objectively like kind of not a nice person.
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Yeah.
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And yeah, I do think we definitely give more of a pass to a man for sure, you know?
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So it's like it's frustrating on like that side of the token, but also like, okay, just
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don't be a dick.
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Yeah.
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But it's hard because she was like raised the way she was raised.
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It was like not great.
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And yeah.
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So anyway, lots of struggles, but yeah, but she is who she is.
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Everybody got problems.
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I don't think she deserved what she got.
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Some people got 99 of them in a bitch ain't one.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Just saying.
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Anyway, watch the documentary.
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It was good.
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Yeah.
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I want to finish it.
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You should finish it.
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You have to finish it.
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I have to know what happens.
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Obviously.
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Okay.
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So Victoria, she was the queen.
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She was the it girl.
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She was literally it.
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I wrote history.
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Am I right?
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Her story.
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Her story.
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Her story.
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Any who's all as Caitlin was saying.
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During this time, there wasn't electricity, I guess.
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I mean, certainly not widespread.
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That's what the research told me.
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Yeah.
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So during the winter, people were obviously going to be hanging around the fireplace.
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It's dark.
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It's a naturally spooky environment that kind of lends well to telling scary stories.
21:36
Ooh.
21:37
And what, you know, get a cozy up to your lover.
21:41
Whatever and get spooky.
21:44
A lot of people were also not able to read at this point in time.
21:47
So these are mostly like oral stories and local stories too, that people were telling.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
21:55
That makes sense.
21:56
As time went on, more and more people were learning to read and things like the steam-powered
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printing press were allowing for cheaper, faster printing.
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Also Christmas was starting to be more widely celebrated in general.
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So people decided to put their oral traditions into print for Christmas.
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So people could read.
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So people could read.
22:15
What a bunch of nerds.
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But they're reading scary stories.
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So that makes them like unnerdy immediately.
22:22
Like cool nerds.
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Cool nerds, yeah.
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Which to be honest, all nerds are cool.
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Yeah.
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Who are we getting?
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Nerds are cool.
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We love you guys, because we are you.
22:31
We are you.
22:32
We are you.
22:33
You ever heard of one, uh, Charles Dickens?
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Charles.
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Charles.
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Charlie's gonna bust in here, thinking we're calling him.
22:41
Well, he's laying on his bed right now.
22:42
Oh, he's in here?
22:43
Oh, yeah.
22:44
Charlie.
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He looks like, uh, like an English author right now, because he has on his little kind of,
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uh, it's like a plaid jacket.
22:54
He kind of looks like he's, um, about to make tenure.
22:58
You should take a picture of him so we can insert it.
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Okay.
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So in case you didn't know who Charles, this, this Charles Dickens guy is, he wrote, and
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I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying the most popular holiday season ghost story,
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a Christmas Carol.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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That's probably fair.
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Where Ebeneez is Scrooge.
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Ebeneez.
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Ebeneez.
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Ebeneez.
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Get on your knees.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, where Ebeneez or Scrooge gets visited by three ghosts on Christmas Eve.
23:32
And obviously it's not strictly a spooky tale.
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It does incorporate the heartfelt life lessons and warm fuzzies.
23:39
I grab my boobs and I say, yeah, my, they are warm.
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They are fuzzy.
23:45
Mine are fuzzy.
23:46
Oh, well, you got a fuzzy.
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Yeah.
23:49
That makes so sweaty right now.
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Are you, are you too warm?
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I'm like moist.
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Oh.
23:54
Yeah, because that's like a polyester blend.
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So I bet you're real.
23:58
Yeah.
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It's holding all of your juices in.
24:00
I'm just trying to sweat out the toxins, you guys.
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Yeah.
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So much toxins.
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I got to be pure for Santa, okay?
24:08
Like the driven snow.
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Yeah, that's me.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so warm fuzzies, which is how the US largely likes their holiday stories.
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True.
24:23
Like super hallmark.
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I just watched the funniest fucking movie.
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It's on Netflix.
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I don't know if it's hallmark or not, but it's called Hot Frosty.
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Hot.
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Oh boy.
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It's kind of like Frosty, the snowman, where a very sexy snowman comes to life.
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I don't remember that being part of it.
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It's, yeah, well, it's a new version of Frosty, the snowman.
24:48
Okay.
24:49
Hot Frosty, it's like trash holiday, but it's like so good, you know?
24:53
Yeah, very kids.
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Very kids.
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And is that the one?
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There was one that, you know, that girl that was in mean girls.
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Like in all the hallmark movies.
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Regina.
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Oh, she's got the brown hair.
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I forget which one she plays.
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Hmm.
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Okay.
25:11
I might have to investigate this.
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I do not partake in a lot of like the hallmark Christmas movies.
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It's like historically not been one of like my guilty pleasures.
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Yeah.
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I generally don't either if it's on Netflix though.
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Yeah.
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I'll probably watch it.
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Yeah.
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It just depends.
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Yeah.
25:31
So however believe that it should be a Christmas tradition for my family, hopefully
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they're watching and listening to watch the Shark Nito where Santa is involved.
25:45
Yeah.
25:46
I've never seen any of those movies.
25:47
Yeah.
25:48
I hadn't either.
25:50
But also in that movie, one of the main characters is named Cody.
25:55
And I was going to say does your brother make you watch this during?
25:59
No.
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I don't really care for this.
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Okay.
26:04
So if you're not familiar with the lore, at some point we just asked my brother is, I don't
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think currently, but as a child, he was very like adamant that sharks were like our
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friends.
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That's the long and the short of it.
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Yeah.
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This was during lockdown and it didn't take much to entertain us at that point, but I could
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have pissed my pants laughing.
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Look at a light, you know.
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I'm going to have to watch that now.
26:29
You have to let me know which one it is.
26:31
So anyway, this chick was in Mean Girls.
26:33
She is in a lot of Hallmark movies now.
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And so is Lindsay Lohan is in like these Netflix, like cheesy movies.
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Oh, I thought Hallmark.
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Okay.
26:42
Okay.
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Like Hallmark, I don't know.
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Okay.
26:45
It's like Hallmark-esque, but not Hallmark channel.
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There are Hallmark movies on Netflix though.
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And I can't, I don't know if who's making them.
26:52
If it's Hallmark or Netflix, I don't know.
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But it's, you know, that type of like cheesy vibe Christmas movie.
26:58
And Lindsay Lohan is in a few of those now.
27:00
Oh, okay.
27:01
Well, they showed a clip from one of the Lindsay Lohan.
27:03
It was like a commercial inside of this movie.
27:07
And she's, they're flipping through the channels and she's like in, in one of these movies
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on the TV in this hot, frosty movie.
27:15
Oh, boy.
27:16
And the girl was like, oh, she looks like someone I went to high school with and I was like,
27:20
Mean Girl reference.
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I know her.
27:23
Oh my God.
27:24
It was so cute.
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But it was like so like inception.
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It was like so many different things inside this one scene.
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Yeah, a little bit of an Easter egg.
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Yeah, it was so cute.
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I love that.
27:36
That's totally, you know, we're talking about Christmas.
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I had to tell that.
27:39
I was going to say speaking of the birth of Christ.
27:41
Lindsay Lohan, the resurrection.
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Yeah.
27:46
You get, you know, anyways.
27:47
Yes, I don't.
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I don't.
27:49
Well, because, okay.
27:50
So Christmas in theory is, you know, about the birth of Christ.
27:54
Right.
27:55
Easter is related to Easter eggs.
27:58
I didn't even did not even put together that Easter egg.
28:02
It says the word Easter because I'm so used to using.
28:06
Easter egg means something totally different.
28:08
It's like something Taylor Swiftie to me now.
28:10
Right.
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Right.
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Or like, you know, like a streamer or a gamer term.
28:16
It's not at all religious.
28:18
No.
28:19
Typically, that's so funny.
28:20
Well, I mean, either our Easter eggs, if you think about it, like, what?
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It comes out of a bunny's butt.
28:26
So like, what?
28:27
I'm sorry.
28:28
I don't know that we ever established that, but...
28:32
The bunny poofs a metal decorated.
28:33
Isn't that how that works?
28:36
I think we probably need to move on, but we're going to circle back to that.
28:41
Let's talk about the city's time.
28:43
Okay.
28:44
Okay.
28:45
That's fair.
28:47
So we talked about how the US likes their hallmark holiday type movies where it's all
28:51
just warm, fuzzy and...
28:53
Yeah.
28:54
So it's just a little bit more predictable and easy.
28:56
Imagine this.
28:57
Well, the British had tons of different ghost stories.
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But the only one that really stuck in America was a Christmas Carol.
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Okay.
29:05
Mainly because it was such...
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It was just such a popular story.
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Yeah.
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It was basically a staple.
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So it kind of just like, we can't stay up here as well.
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But not all of the other ghost stories.
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Just this one.
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Well, I mean, it's classic.
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It's got like a very timeless message, I think.
29:23
Yeah.
29:24
And I don't know.
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I didn't look into the history of Charles Dickens.
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I don't know if he was already pretty famous or not, but he became obviously a well-known
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writer.
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Yeah.
29:33
Not sure.
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I will point in his trajectory.
29:36
I didn't pull at that ugly Christmas sweater thread.
29:43
So Americans weren't really interested in having the paranormal invade their sickeningly
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sweet holidays.
29:50
Very sacri-
29:51
And plus we already had this little holiday for ghosts called Halloween Halloween that we
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already started celebrating apparently.
29:59
Anyone.
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So basically we did what Americans do and we kind of categorize everything and we said,
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okay, ghosts belong to Halloween and they can't be in Christmas.
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Bid, bid, bid, bid.
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Only Halloween.
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Because we like to put things in little boxes and people can't go outside the boxes.
30:17
I think that's a very human nature thing.
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I think some cultures maybe more or less, but just go eat, put it on Americans, okay?
30:27
Yeah.
30:28
I mean, you're not wrong.
30:30
I'm one of them, so I'm pooping on myself with fun.
30:33
Wow.
30:34
I try not to put things in boxes though.
30:37
Yeah.
30:38
Unless it's a dick.
30:39
That's right.
30:40
Classic.
30:41
That's like a Christmas song, dick and a ball?
30:43
It is.
30:44
Because it's like a box.
30:45
It's like a present.
30:46
Yeah.
30:47
We're so themy.
30:48
I can't.
30:49
Very themy.
30:50
Speaking of like, fuck Americans, right?
30:53
Let's change this sickeningly sweet storytelling and let's tell some fucking scary ghost stories
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for Christmas.
31:02
All right.
31:03
First of all, I'd like to issue a correction because I feel like maybe it's a little bit more
31:07
fuck capitalism than Americans, but like, you know.
31:11
Yeah, that's true.
31:12
Everyone knows what I mean.
31:13
I just mean I literally want to fuck everyone.
31:16
Ooh.
31:17
Oh.
31:18
Oh.
31:19
Oh.
31:20
Oh.
31:21
Oh.
31:22
So my gift to all of you this year.
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Well, she said I didn't wrap it.
31:28
But I have a scary ghost story of my own that I've never told.
31:32
Woo.
31:33
And this is my gift to you guys.
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I love it.
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Because you know, I don't really have ghost experiences.
31:39
I have like one or two.
31:40
No, because you want it too badly.
31:42
Yeah.
31:43
And then I had all that, you know, the sleep paralysis stuff.
31:46
When I was little, if you haven't listened to our sleep paralysis episode, it's way back.
31:52
But I tell kind of my spooky experiences, but they're not really like ghost stories.
31:57
Yeah.
31:58
I pretty much only have like one ghost story.
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And this is it.
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I'm so excited.
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I know me too.
32:05
And I was thinking I was like, wait, I didn't tell this, right?
32:08
I don't remember.
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If I did, just forget.
32:10
And then I'll tell you again.
32:12
Yeah.
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But I'm pretty sure I haven't because I was like saving it.
32:15
Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like I'd remember this.
32:18
Yeah.
32:19
I think I've mentioned it once or twice too.
32:21
Like I have a story.
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I'm like, waiting for the right time.
32:25
The buildup.
32:26
Okay.
32:27
And I didn't want to do any research.
32:28
So, you know, this is the right time.
32:30
Yeah, there you go.
32:32
I needed an easy, an easy A.
32:34
Yeah.
32:35
So I had this experience and I was pretty young, I think eight or nine.
32:42
Okay.
32:43
It's a great set of stories.
32:44
Yeah.
32:45
So since I had so much sleep paralysis as a kid, I kind of, I think I always just assumed this
32:51
was that.
32:52
This was just like a sleep paralysis thing.
32:55
But it's different.
32:56
So different from any other of the experiences I've ever had.
33:00
Okay.
33:01
So yeah, I was like eight or nine and I was staying with my family at a friend's.
33:07
It was like a cabin type house.
33:09
Like kind of in the woods, like in the woods, you know?
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Yeah.
33:13
It was in like the city woods.
33:15
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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And me and my friend, she was like two years younger than me.
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We were sleeping in bunk beds and naturally I was on the top bunk.
33:23
So much room for activities.
33:25
We did so many activities.
33:26
I don't remember any of them, but I'm sure we did so many.
33:29
They were incredible.
33:30
No doubt.
33:31
Because we were always together.
33:32
She was like my sister growing up.
33:34
Oh, the door.
33:35
No.
33:36
Lovey Chrissy.
33:37
I don't know if I ever told her about this.
33:40
And she was in the room.
33:41
So I can't remember.
33:42
Yeah.
33:43
I can't remember if I told her about it or not.
33:45
So if she is listening, this might be new information for her.
33:48
Like God, I tell you about everything spooky that happens to me whether or not you're in
33:52
the room.
33:53
Yeah.
33:54
Now I would.
33:55
But then because I didn't tell anyone about my sleep paralysis stuff ever.
33:59
Yeah.
34:00
So I just don't think I would have told her.
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I'm not really sure.
34:04
Yeah.
34:05
It was so long ago.
34:07
So we were sleeping in this room.
34:09
And I remember waking up and I think it was the middle of the night.
34:14
Not really sure.
34:15
There wasn't a clock.
34:16
I was a kid who knows.
34:17
It was dark from what it felt like.
34:19
It felt like the middle of the night.
34:22
But I wake up and I kind of like see this like bright orange like flickering light.
34:30
And I think that's why I woke up and it was like coming from the window.
34:33
So there was like a window I could see from the bunk bed.
34:36
I think it was just I was like laying like this.
34:38
I could see the window straight.
34:42
And it was like flickering orange.
34:43
So I opened my eyes.
34:46
And this is like the first thing that's wrong because I never opened my eyes when I'm having
34:51
sleep paralysis.
34:52
I don't know why.
34:53
I see things.
34:54
I like see crazy shit.
34:56
But it's like I can feel my eyes are closed.
34:58
So like I still know.
34:59
Yeah.
35:00
I know I'm kind of sleeping.
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Yeah.
35:03
Because I feel like most people explain.
35:04
There's like a certain amount of like awareness of your own body.
35:09
You like yeah, I feel like most people report that they're very aware like oh no.
35:15
I mean this in between.
35:17
I'm not in control of my body.
35:19
But I'm yes.
35:20
Yes.
35:21
But you can't wear it.
35:22
Some people do open their eyes and they do see stuff like.
35:25
No.
35:26
Like actually hallucinate.
35:27
We've talked we if you need to go back and learn more about it.
35:30
There is a whole episode on it.
35:32
I think I'm good.
35:33
But yeah, one of my things with mine is I was either I couldn't open my eyes and I was like
35:37
half dreaming half awake or I was like fully awake, but I was just too scared to open my
35:43
eyes.
35:44
But this was just like waking up in the middle of the night and I see a flickering light
35:47
and I open my eyes and then I I'm looking at the window.
35:52
I like sit up and I again, I'm sitting up.
35:55
So I move.
35:56
I'm not.
35:57
Okay.
35:58
So you're very much awake.
35:59
Yeah.
36:00
And even like in a sleep paralysis dream.
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I still can't move in the dream.
36:04
So like this is just like not I never realized it's just like completely different from any
36:08
sleep paralysis I've ever had.
36:11
And I'm looking at the window where the light is coming from and it looks like fire.
36:15
Like it's like flickering and moving like that orange light.
36:19
Like it just looks like fire.
36:22
And there's a silhouette of a man or I feel I don't know how to describe it, but I just
36:29
feel like it was like a younger male, like not a man.
36:33
Okay.
36:34
It was either like a adolescent like a teenage boy, maybe young adult.
36:40
I don't really know why I felt like that because it was just like the silhouette, like
36:46
a black shadow.
36:47
Like I couldn't see the face or make out really anything else other than I could see
36:54
like the shape of his hat.
36:56
And it was just like he had like a square on his head.
37:01
Like not a tall, not like a top, not like a Lincoln.
37:05
No.
37:06
A Lincoln, like a car.
37:08
No, not a car on his head.
37:11
Listen, I understood fully how little I should trust this person as soon as they were.
37:17
Okay.
37:18
I mean, number one, this situation is already bonks, but then they're wearing a hat.
37:23
And I'm like, I'm out.
37:24
I'm out.
37:25
Okay.
37:26
Right?
37:27
I just, I don't, I see hat man and I didn't even know what my whole life.
37:31
I don't trust a hat.
37:33
Like I didn't even know about hat man then.
37:35
You know?
37:36
Yeah.
37:37
Like I did.
37:38
I was watching ghost stuff.
37:39
I'm sure at the time, but I don't know if I knew about it.
37:41
I think you knew about hat man though.
37:42
And also like this hat didn't seem like any, it doesn't really seem like anything I'd
37:48
really heard about hat man wearing.
37:49
Usually like it's like a different type of hat I feel like.
37:52
Okay.
37:53
There are different stories of different hats.
37:55
But this just wasn't, it wasn't when I really associated with hat man.
37:58
So I don't, I still don't know.
38:00
Obviously, don't know what happened.
38:02
Yeah.
38:03
Hashtag never trust a hat.
38:05
But so when I started trying to like figure out what this hat, what like, why is he just,
38:11
it kind of just look like a box on his head, right?
38:14
Oh, that's so bizarre.
38:15
It was interesting.
38:16
So I started, I think I was listening to another episode about hat man and they mentioned
38:21
like a civil war hat and I was like, well, what does civil war hat look like?
38:29
And so I Google it.
38:31
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
38:34
and there's kind of like cowboy hat type things.
38:39
There's kind of stuff with like a bill, but there's also these like other hats called
38:44
Kepis.
38:51
Kind of like if you're wearing that, you can't really see the bill.
38:55
Yeah.
38:56
It's this hat that like, we'll post pictures obviously and like add pictures to the video,
39:02
but it does look like kind of just like a square on your head.
39:06
Like there's a bill, but you wouldn't be able to really see that if it's a silhouette.
39:11
It would literally just look like a square.
39:13
Yeah.
39:14
And that's, I didn't really think about because I, my whole life, I've been like, well, what
39:21
that was like a weird hat and it wasn't like a failure hat.
39:24
It wasn't like anything I was really thinking of, but obviously I never, when you're thinking
39:29
about that kind of thing, you're probably not like on your computer ready to Google it.
39:32
Yeah.
39:33
Yeah.
39:34
Well, it's different from even just like a baseball cap.
39:38
You know what I mean?
39:39
It's, I don't know, it's strange.
39:41
And it wasn't like, I was thinking like page boy hats or kind of, but they're also kind
39:46
of like lumpy and like clop.
39:49
This was like really like, I felt like really straight.
39:52
Yeah.
39:53
I don't know.
39:55
So I feel like that was the kind of hat.
39:57
Like I can't think of any other hat.
39:59
And like, I'd never heard of another story that was specifically said like a Civil War type
40:07
hat.
40:08
Yeah.
40:09
And I think like both sides were them.
40:10
I don't know like which side it would have been.
40:13
But I think that was just of the time.
40:15
Yeah.
40:16
But I don't think people wore like normal people didn't wear hats like this.
40:21
Really?
40:23
I think so.
40:24
Like I said, I think that was just of the time.
40:28
Okay.
40:29
So just quick like AI overview.
40:34
No.
40:35
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War.
40:42
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War type.
40:47
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War type.
40:51
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War type.
40:55
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War type.
40:59
I think that was just like the time when I was in the Civil War type.
41:03
It was like a military hat.
41:05
And they did come from like I think like the Russian military or something.
41:10
There are like taller hats that were like more formally.
41:14
Yeah.
41:15
Yeah.
41:16
Yeah.
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They're kepties were like a little bit more different.
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It wasn't like that.
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So it was definitely like one of these Civil War era.
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Interesting.
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I just assumed that was like kind of the style of hats at that point in history.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I guess not.
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So we kind of figured out I guess what kind of hat, which was like really...
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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It was crazy to me when I actually found it.
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So I was like, oh, like that's probably what I was seeing.
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Yeah.
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It was just weird because I never really looked into it.
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So yeah, again, all I was seeing was like this black shadow silhouette couldn't make out
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anything except for it did look like the longer I looked it.
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It looked like there was fire behind him.
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It's crazy.
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Yeah.
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It was so creepy.
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He was facing me.
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It looked like he was just staring like straight in the window.
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Ooh.
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And I think it was like a...
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It was like a floor level window.
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I don't know.
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Ooh.
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I don't know how far up the window was.
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It just...
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It seemed like he could have maybe just been standing outside and like all I could see was
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like torso up, you know?
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Oh God.
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So I don't think it was like a situation where it was like floating or...
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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That gives you a little bit of contact.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that could just be like a straight up in cell these days.
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Who knows?
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It was where the fire come from.
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I...
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There was a forest fire and an in cell.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I guess it's...
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I could have been a person.
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I don't know.
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No.
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No, that doesn't sound like way.
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I was also a kid though.
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So obviously they didn't like go out and measure like how far the window was from the
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ground to like see how tall this person was.
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It would be helpful data that I understand why you didn't.
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And I'm kind of glad you'd...
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Eight or nine year old me.
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And I wish I did.
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Because that would have been a better story like me doing all this investigating after.
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Do it for science, Cassie.
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And also like wasn't it.
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It was like my friend's friend's house, you know?
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It wasn't like any place I would ever go again or have been to since this.
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And we were surrounded by trees and like forests.
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I don't think there was a neighbor that was like right that could have been like right
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there.
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Yeah.
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That I was seeing.
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That makes sense.
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And there wasn't a forest fire that you guys all just let through?
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Well, not that night.
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Okay.
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Uh, yeah, we'll talk about that in a minute.
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Oh.
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So I'm sitting here looking at this thing and I'm like trying to figure out like what
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am I seeing?
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And so I remember trying to call down to my friend and wake her up and see her like she
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was seeing this too.
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I couldn't get her to wake up.
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Oh, which I feel like was kind of weird.
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I also didn't want to get down.
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So I wasn't like shaking her anything.
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I was just like calling down like Chrissy.
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Chrissy.
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Chrissy.
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Chrissy.
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Wake up.
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Do you see the flight man?
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The shadow man.
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The planey hat man.
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But yeah, I couldn't get her to wake up and witness this with me.
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So probably thankfully for her, I don't know, I don't know what would have happened.
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Yeah.
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If she did wake up.
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That's interesting.
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And I remember it being, I don't know if I just am putting this on the story, thinking back
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on it, but I feel like I remember it being really quiet, like too quiet.
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Oh, like quieter than you would think the nighttime would be.
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Right.
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Like when you're out somewhere and it's kind of burrow or.
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You hear the e-stiff, like crickets.
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Right.
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I feel like that's a very common theme in certain types of like paranormal stories.
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And I don't know if it's something where you're just so focused on these other senses that
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you're not super focused.
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But also if I'm like seeing fire, what I think is fire, you think you would also be hearing
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crackling.
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Yes.
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The crackling of flames or something.
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But I don't know if I'm hearing anything.
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Like I barely remember hearing my own self to try to wake my friend up.
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That's so weird.
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Yeah.
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You would, I feel like if the fire is significant enough, you're going to be hearing it's
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like almost like brace crispy.
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Like yeah.
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Snap crackle hiss.
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Yeah.
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Like.
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And I did ask my mom too.
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I was like, do you guys remember having like a fire night or something?
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Like maybe it was only like 11 p.m.
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Like a bonfire outside.
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She doesn't know.
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And I'm pretty sure I was eight or nine.
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This is a long time ago.
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I'm pretty sure this window was like pointed at the, at like the driveway area.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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So yeah, probably would be weird to have like a fire pit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But she said no, we didn't have like a fire that night or anything.
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Huh.
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I'm glad I have like sort of like a cooperation a little bit.
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Yeah.
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So at this point, I'm like, well, my friends are waking up.
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All this, this is due.
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It's not moving or anything.
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I just can see the silhouettes like staring into the window and or maybe how does back to
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the window.
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I don't know.
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My thought was that it was looking into the window.
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Yeah.
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But I was like, well, worse things have happened to mislead.
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At least it's not on top of me trying to suffocate me like my sleep paralysis streams.
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And I'm not getting like, like, there's a creep like a weird vibe and not like a, it's
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kind of like the flannel man thing we talked about.
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Like not, not a bad vibe, but like a like fully malevolent.
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Yeah.
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But like, yeah, someone's there.
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It shouldn't be there.
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So it's kind of weird.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's like well, it's not seeming to do anything.
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So I guess I'll just go back to sleep.
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So I close my eyes.
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And I just went back to sleep.
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I think I'm stuck.
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What else would I do?
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Like, what are you doing?
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I'm a child.
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So I don't know.
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I like the slightest thing wakes me up and I cannot go back to sleep for the life of me.
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Like it could be my own goddamn urine.
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It's like summoning me from the deep.
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And I'm like, I can't go back to sleep now.
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See, I can always go back to sleep.
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No, it's a real challenge.
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I think it took me a minute.
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I do remember like closing my eyes and then like opening them back up to like kept making
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sure.
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But it was still there and it didn't move.
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So but eventually I did go back to sleep.
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I didn't, I don't think it took that long or anything.
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I don't remember like trying.
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I forever couldn't be me.
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I wrote silent night, unholy night because it was so quiet.
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Yeah.
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I love saying that.
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Oh boy.
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But one very interesting thing happened in the morning.
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So this is something I very distinctly remember.
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I don't remember a lot about this trip.
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I remember like going for a wheeling.
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This creepy thing happened in the morning.
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This is like what I remember from this trip.
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Okay.
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In the morning, I overheard the adults talking about how there was a property fire.
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There was a fire on the property and they had to rebuild some of the house.
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So like they didn't say anything about anyone dying.
48:57
I don't think it was like a like a long time ago.
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It was like a recent ish.
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Like okay.
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They had rebuilt the house and so I don't think it was like way in the past, but I don't
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think it had just happened.
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Okay.
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I mean, I don't know.
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But I feel like maybe that could explain sort of a disturbance on the land.
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You know what I mean?
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It's like it awakened something or something like remembers or they didn't say about anything
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about anyone dying or anyone getting hurt or anything.
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I feel like that was something that they would have mentioned before already talking about
49:36
it.
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Yeah.
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So I don't know if that was like maybe just a spirit that was already on the land or
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interest.
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Maybe the fire and the shadow person were like two separate things, like two separate hallucinations
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or whatever.
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I mean, could be very advanced of you just having like multi-leveled, like the fire was
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like a residual haunting and like the shadow person was able to come through because of
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that energy.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's sort of like, you know, if you were, I really, I really want to make a comparison
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to like multi-level marketing.
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Like if you were doing like Lula Roe and I don't know, it's another MLM like the those
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send it oils or something like essential oil or sent me.
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So yeah, so there's a fire on the property, which is like I had no idea about that prior
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to like seeing this fire thing.
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So it was like no way.
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That is so weird.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if this is like where I started trusting like having intuition and like thinking
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like maybe I'm more powerful than I know.
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Like how would I know?
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I'm like, you're like Spider-Man origins or maybe.
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I always knew I was a witch.
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I just had him post or syndrome.
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Yeah.
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No, that's fair.
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That's fair.
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So when I was talking to my mom, I was asking her all these questions.
51:13
She did say she was like, you know, your brother mentioned having a nightmare about that
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house.
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What?
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Like way later in life, so he was only like two or three at the time we stayed there.
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Oh shit.
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Yeah.
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He was little and I don't know how he even like would remember this house, right?
51:34
Yeah, I mean, depending on the kid, like two to four, that's kind of the earliest that
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most people have like an actual cognitive memory.
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Yeah.
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You have like random like random core memories, I feel like, but this was apparently one
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of his random core memories.
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This house we went to one time.
51:54
That's insane.
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Yeah, which is, I guess that sort of makes sense because I remember having memories of
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like cool houses you go to because you're not there all the time.
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So it's like, that does make sense.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's a unique experience.
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Yeah.
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So two or three, but then he had a nightmare about this house.
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I don't know how old he was.
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I asked him about it too.
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And he was like, yeah, I do remember that.
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I don't think we know how old he was when he had the nightmare, but it was like later on.
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Wait, so he didn't have it the night you guys were in the house.
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He had it later about the house.
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That's way weird.
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Isn't that weird?
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That's way weirder.
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So weird.
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He didn't really give me any details.
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He said he couldn't really remember.
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It was just really a really weird creepy dream about that cabin in the woods that we stayed
52:48
up.
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Okay.
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Well, I for one would like to petition to have him hypnotize because I need more information.
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Do we let's hypnotize you?
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I know.
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I want to know what the dream was too.
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He says, I think he said he remembered like his only memory from the house is like sitting
53:10
on the counter, which is like kind of funny.
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Yeah, but I don't know what.
53:14
Yeah, I don't know what his nightmare was.
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He just said it was like weird and creepy.
53:18
I don't think he actually remembers.
53:19
So yeah, we get hypnotized and I'm just saying, I think we should give it the old college
53:25
dream.
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And he didn't I never told him about this.
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So like he didn't really know that I had a weird experience.
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Well, I mean, of course, it's a seven year difference, right?
53:35
Yeah.
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I mean, that's kind of all I had about this weird hat man and the fire experience that was
53:42
is my only super spooky ghost story.
53:45
But I don't have any answers.
53:47
Yeah.
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That's that's very unsatisfying, but very intriguing.
53:52
I know.
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I want to know more.
53:56
I want to like try to figure out where this place isn't go back.
53:59
Yeah.
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Did you see me already being like, okay, who can we ask?
54:03
Where?
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Yeah, unfortunately, every photos, maybe we can geolocate it.
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Yeah, I don't know if we have photos.
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Unfortunately, my friend's mom who we went with has passed.
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Well, so we can't ask her.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I have so many follow up questions.
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I can't even begin to explain how many questions.
54:29
Do we feel like maybe some of them can be answered by a little Tara?
54:35
Maybe.
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I don't know.
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Tara?
54:38
I want to get my answer to hat man.
54:40
I want to know who this was.
54:42
Was he cute?
54:43
Because he was a young man looking at me.
54:46
Oh, I did write in here.
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I did something super Christmasy.
54:49
We'll mention it right before we go to the tarot.
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Give it to me.
54:52
I went to the Transybarian Orchestra.
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That's right.
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It was really cool.
54:58
I was like, okay, they do, they put the Christ in Christmas or whatever, but it's fine.
55:03
It's not a religious thing though.
55:05
It's kind of an orchestra.
55:07
It was like Christmast.
55:08
Well, because it's Christmas, they sing a lot of Christmast songs.
55:14
Christmast.
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Yeah, I feel like it was like a religious vibe.
55:18
Christmast.
55:19
Yeah.
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It wasn't obviously like going to a church or something, you know?
55:23
It wasn't like that in your face.
55:26
It was tolerable for me.
55:27
And it was pretty good.
55:28
They're so talented and they've got flames on stage.
55:33
Fanned, tired, laser lights.
55:36
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
55:38
Sharks with lasers on their head.
55:41
There was no sharks.
55:42
Oh, I mean, there could be.
55:45
They did have a woman singing in a snow globe.
55:48
Mm-hmm.
55:49
That's pretty cool.
55:50
That's interesting.
55:51
The dudes, fucking patriarchy.
55:53
They were so muscularly and they had such long hair that they were flipping around with their
55:58
tutors and shoes.
55:59
They were so muscularly.
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They had men who were all muscularly.
56:05
I don't know if that's how I said it.
56:08
That is how you said it.
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They had a lot of muskals and muskals.
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And muskals.
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A lot of hair.
56:13
Okay.
56:14
I didn't hate it.
56:15
No, I can understand that.
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I think you blacked out because you saw some muskals.
56:20
I saw some muskals.
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She started talking nonsense.
56:23
Yeah.
56:24
Where are we?
56:25
What are we doing?
56:27
The oxygen to her brain was cut off.
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She's got a major lady boner.
56:32
There were a lot of hot girls too, just FYI.
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They were pretty hot.
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They put it up there.
56:36
They also had hair.
56:38
All right.
56:39
All right.
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All right.
56:41
Let's go to tarot.
56:42
Okay.
56:43
Cassie has been shuffling.
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She is currently getting the vibe.
56:56
She's also doing kind of a weird thing with her mouth.
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Really wish she was in the camp right now.
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But here we are.
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Picking the card.
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In a reading about love, this card indicates giving up on a relationship.
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You feel worn down by problems and don't know how to settle your differences.
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Counseling could help you gain clarity.
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Oh, I mean, I needed counseling as a child.
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Oh, no.
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I mean, don't we all?
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Didn't we all and don't we all?
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It just made me think of like all the other, the other sleep paralysis experience.
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Perinus experiences.
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That was a lot.
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That's a mouthful sleep paralysis experiences I was having and like, and how this one was so
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different.
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Yeah.
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I don't know why you thought statement reminded me of it because I already forgot what you
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had said, but.
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Okay.
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Well, I do have an extra excerpt.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.
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Oh.
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Which anything with rope and hanging definitely harkens back to the Civil War and the South
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for me.
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Reverse seven of candles and or wants has yourself confidence taken a hit recently?
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Are you feeling overwhelmed or exasperated or like you have to speed read?
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Is this just it feels like one of the like an infomercial?
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Yeah, it does.
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Look at so bogged down on the details that you lose sight of the larger picture.
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Remember how far you've come, you're more than capable of making your dreams come true.
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This was the reverse interpretation.
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Interesting.
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Huh.
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Hmm.
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Making your dreams come true and all this time I kind of thought it was like a dream.
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
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I don't want to make my dreams come true.
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Yeah, I'm not sure.
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But that's not maybe not that one's to dream.
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Okay.
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King of ones are key words are leadership, self confidence, success, good fortune.
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Okay.
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Which I feel like just ties back to Jessica's story.
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If nothing else.
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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The good luck.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And loyalty.
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Uh, the king was upright, right?
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Yeah.
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I mean, I didn't.
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Yeah, it was upright.
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I didn't really like officially pull it out.
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I just kind of pulled it and set it upright.
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I don't remember.
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I feel like it was upright when I.
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When you're looking on it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that was such a weird thing because I just from like, it just happens to.
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I saw it on the underside of the deck, but.
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Okay.
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The king upright is a fortunate card, regardless of the situation.
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If he represents a real person, it's someone you can trust and rely on to do the right thing.
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He's a loyal friend, a fair-minded employer, a wise advisor, a competent and honest leader.
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This intelligent man has high ideals.
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He's an active, energetic, independent individual with a passion for life and an adventurous nature.
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This is so wild because immediately I was like, okay, I know that the Civil War is on my
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brain clearly, but I'm like, honest, leader, high ideals are his ideals as high as his hat.
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Well, it's interesting.
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Talking about you.
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I, but that was like the, like the infantry people wore those hats.
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I wasn't like like the higher up people did not.
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Yeah.
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No, I was making an Abe Lincoln joke.
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Oh, okay.
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Him and his 10-gallon hat.
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Oh, I see.
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Yeah.
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I see, I see.
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He was in the Civil War.
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He was in the Civil War.
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Yeah.
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No, he was literally the president.
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That's why he was killed.
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Oh.
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Because racism.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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I think I knew that rattling around in my brain, but.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I was thinking because like hat, because we're talking about.
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You mentioned Abe Lincoln earlier.
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Did you mention that before you even knew about the Civil War hat?
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I mentioned Abe Lincoln.
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Yeah, because you're like, it's not a Lincoln.
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Because I was talking about the hat.
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There's not that interest.
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Yeah.
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In a reading about money, you can expect good things to come your way when the king appears.
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Sometimes the king means getting a race that a venture will pay off or that you have financial
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support.
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If the reading is about your job, success is assured.
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The king may indicate a promotion or recognition for your efforts.
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It can also show you moving into a position of a thirut.
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Now is a good time to take a chance for victory is yours.
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Okay.
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In a question about love, the king of one says the relationship is a strong one with plenty
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of affection and passion.
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Perhaps between two lively, creative, outgoing people.
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Maybe the shadow man was supposed to be my lover.
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Come back to me.
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I'm old enough now.
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Oh boy.
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I'm old age.
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I feel like that's problematic because you guys met when you were a child.
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Yeah, he was grooming me my whole life.
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I'm saying.
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I don't know.
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So we actually have two extra exerbs here.
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It says which way does the king face?
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Oh, north or south.
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Oh, yeah.
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I don't know either.
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I can make connections to a lot of that.
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That's my brain.
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Also this king is just facing forward.
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Yeah.
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The pattern recognition, that might be the tism.
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He is pointing upward up and down.
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Oh, interesting.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Oh, north and south.
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In some decks, the king faces sideways and whether he is looking forward or excuse me,
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and whether he is looking toward or away from other cards in his spread, we'll have a
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bearing on the reading.
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Oh, he's just forward.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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Bully card.
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Oh.
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In the extreme, the reversed king of wands can be the bully card.
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As Mary K. Greer writes in the complete book of tarot reversals, we might need that.
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We need new books, I think.
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I think we need that book because I feel like the reverse interpretations, that's something
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we always want more insight on.
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You might oppose others simply as a display of one upmanship.
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You can be aggressive and abuse others like a bully or a common dawn with no humanity.
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Jesus, okay.
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Shut the fuck up.
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What?
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Okay.
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I was right.
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I had to look.
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Okay.
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Is a military term, an officer in charge of a particular force or institution.
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The example is the West Point common dawn of cadets.
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Weird.
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I never come across a word in everyday life.
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Yeah.
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I don't mean either.
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Deal.
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Interest.
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I've got the spooky news now.
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So I feel like we definitely got an answer.
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I feel like all of the military related things we got, I feel like that was a silver war hat.
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Pretty affirmative.
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What if it was an actual person who just shot that the Salvation Mary?
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Salvation Mary?
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Oh yeah.
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Well, that's why I was like, "Oh God, that could be real bad."
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Remember I was saying I was like, "Oh God, that could be a modern day in Selvibe."
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I don't know.
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I feel like if it was a real human person though, there's a difference.
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I feel like.
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Yeah.
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Also, there wasn't a fire that night.
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Yeah.
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We've established.
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So I was like, "Listen, I will always like grasp its draws."
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But then eventually you have to just see that there's not something that explains every
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point.
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Yeah.
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I kind of went off the deep end and I was like, "Well, was it like the sunrise?"
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And I was seeing through the trees, but it was...
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I could see that, but I just distinctly remember it flickering a fire.
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Right.
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Like fire.
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Suns are different.
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It's going to be more of a study.
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You might fit coming through the trees.
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If it's windy, maybe?
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Absolutely.
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I don't know.
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Maybe it was windy and it was a sunrise coming through the trees.
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Stop gaslighting my friends.
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Just trying to think of anything.
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And then I also thought of like Hocus Pocus where they put the car lights coming through
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the window and I'm like, "Oh, was it like a car?"
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I thought of that too when you mentioned the driveway, but those are just very different
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elements.
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I just feel like the way those types of light present, they're very different.
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And the amount of times, I've spent a good amount of time trying to think about it.
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Just look at this and figure out what it was and keep closing my eyes and opening them again.
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The only thing was it didn't move.
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So I'm like that.
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I don't know.
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What stands that still?
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I mean, and otherworldly presents.
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Just pah-pah.
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I mean, it had to...it had to have been.
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It was ghost, you guys.
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I saw ghosts.
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It's fine.
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Yeah.
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It feels like it ghost.
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I got to put my feet back up.
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I think the main reason we pulled that second card was just like the imagery alone.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For sure.
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I mean, that's why I flagged it.
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For sure.
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We're greekey.
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We're greekey on it.
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That's weird.
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All right.
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Well, we hope you guys have a great holiday, whatever you're doing, whatever you celebrate,
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or if you don't celebrate at all.
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Yeah.
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Just have a great day.
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Yeah.
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Just have a great day in general.
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Be safe, as always.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I forgot to tell you I'm going to zoo lights tomorrow.
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Tomorrow?
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Oh, we were supposed to do that.
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My mom invited me.
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Oh, I don't want to intrude on mom and dad.
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She hadn't even listened to the episode yet.
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I mean, if there's still tickets, I forgot to tell you.
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She just asked me.
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I don't know.
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Maybe.
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If there's still tickets, maybe we'll have to ask her what time.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Ask her what time.
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Okay.
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She really wants to go.
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I feel like we'd be down if the time works.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Zoo lights.
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Remind me after this one week.
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Cut.
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Okay.
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Have a creepy day.
1:13:54
Have a creepy day.
1:13:55
Have a creepy day.
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I almost said Halloween.
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And that's not even the right holiday.
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Have a creepy ass holiday.
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Yeah.
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Let's do that.
1:14:03
Have a creepy ass holiday.
1:14:04
Have a creepy ass holiday.
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Or not.
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I mean, just do your thing.
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Whatever that is.
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Just make it creepy.
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Right.
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Have a creepy story that you experience over the holidays or anytime or anywhere.
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I don't just talk about myself every single time we read people's stories.
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Yeah.
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Like what is she a Leo?
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Wow.
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That was like something.
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I was like, I don't know.
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I want to like tell a scary ghost story, but we didn't have any.
1:14:39
And I was like, well, I have one.
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Do I just want to talk about myself for Christmas?
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I mean, yeah.
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That's my gift to you guys.
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Santa's story.
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There's a Santa skirt.
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Also doesn't really translate for, you know, you could just stand on your chair the whole
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time and we could just get skirt to view.
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Oh, yeah.
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But not an up skirt.
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That's correct.
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Yeah.
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No, thank you for that.
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Well, to be careful when we get the pod cam.
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Wait, the pod dog cam.
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Oh, the pop cam.
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Pop cam.
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Pod dog cam.
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Pop cam.
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