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Reaction: President’s Address on Iran War | ‘This Week in Space’ w/ Rod Pyle · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM
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  Speaker 1: six forty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's KFRI Handle here Thursday morning, April the second.
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  Speaker 2: As we start a new month, it's going quick, isn't
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  Speaker 2: it always does? H oh yeah? Start, Hey, it's January
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  Speaker 2: and before you know it, let's talk about Christmas shopping.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of big stories that we're following. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do the story now about the presidential speech last night.
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  Speaker 2: The Senate, though approved unanimously a bill to partially reopen
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  Speaker 2: the Department Homeland Security, which means TSA agents are going
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  Speaker 2: to get paid. And those horrific lines disappeared overnight as
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  Speaker 2: soon as that check was sent out, because the President
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  Speaker 2: ordered the check and was telling the department that find
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  Speaker 2: money somewhere, I don't care where it is, you have
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  Speaker 2: to pay the agents. So that's good news for both
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  Speaker 2: those TSA agents as well as the traveling public. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: last night the President spoke. He did not go off
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  Speaker 2: script very much at all. He followed what the prompter
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  Speaker 2: told him what to say, and or he followed the
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  Speaker 2: speech that was on the prompter, and it was exactly
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  Speaker 2: what most of us saw it. I certainly called it
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  Speaker 2: but that's not being prescient at all. I mean sort
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  Speaker 2: of everybody knew it. And the president this time around
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  Speaker 2: contradicted himself within a speech that I found was kind
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  Speaker 2: of interesting. Usually he contradicts himself in the next speech
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  Speaker 2: or the speech down a little further down the aisle.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know, it's just fascinating what happened. So we're
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  Speaker 2: a month into the war. And what he did, which
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  Speaker 2: he had to do, which I don't think he did,
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  Speaker 2: was make the case why the conflict is necessary. I
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  Speaker 2: do not think we bought it. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: oil spiking again, stocks are down after just screaming up
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  Speaker 2: were the last few days. A nineteen minute speech and
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  Speaker 2: he said that Iran's missiles and drone systems have been
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  Speaker 2: dramatically curtailed, and their weapons factories and rocket launchers are
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  Speaker 2: being blown to pieces, that is from it was obliterated
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  Speaker 2: and there's nothing left. And all of a sudden, they
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  Speaker 2: do have abilities to fire now. US and military have
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  Speaker 2: destroy us and the Israeli militaries have destroyed most of
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  Speaker 2: the ballistic missiles and launchers, but what guess what, Iran
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  Speaker 2: continues to fire them every day, and there are plenty
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  Speaker 2: that are going up, not as many, but plenty. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they had thousands and thousands of these drones and it
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  Speaker 2: costs nothing. They are thirty five thousand dollars apiece. And
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  Speaker 2: as I said earlier many times, as we know, you
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  Speaker 2: have these intercepts missiles that go up, Patriot missiles. That's
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  Speaker 2: four million dollars per missile. The cheapest missile that goes
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  Speaker 2: up is a million dollars per missile versus thirty five
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars for a drone. He described the military action
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  Speaker 2: as a major success. True called on Americans who were
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  Speaker 2: uneasy about the costs. First time he's talking about the
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  Speaker 2: cost of the war, and he said, keep it in perspective,
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  Speaker 2: because the war should wind down within three weeks. Oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we won the war the first day, two to four weeks.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to win the war. Four weeks is over.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's two to three more weeks, and we have
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  Speaker 2: obliterated their ability to fight back. Except we haven't obliterated
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  Speaker 2: their ability. We're still going forward and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: bomb them into the Stone Age. So that's what's going
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  Speaker 2: to happen. Oh. Also, they're coming to the table and
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  Speaker 2: they're negotiated a ceasefire. They're saying no, I mean they're
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  Speaker 2: open to it. I mean they're willing to talk, but
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  Speaker 2: no concessions at all. None. He didn't talk about or
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  Speaker 2: very much, if I remember correctly, he did not talk
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  Speaker 2: about money to the various groups. He did say the
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  Speaker 2: state sponsored terrorists, that Iran is the state of Iran,
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  Speaker 2: and the big deal last night was a straight oh Hormuz,
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  Speaker 2: that was the big deal. And if the price of
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  Speaker 2: oil has gone crazy and plussive gasoline, it's a small
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  Speaker 2: price to pay because in the end Iran we cannot
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  Speaker 2: have Iran have the ability to have an atomic bomb,
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  Speaker 2: which was just days away. But wait a minute, that
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  Speaker 2: was taken out completely in the twelve day war that
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  Speaker 2: happened last June. So either it was obliterated then, or
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  Speaker 2: it's not obliterated and we have to obliterate it now,
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  Speaker 2: or we have obliterated now, but we're still looking for
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  Speaker 2: it and still going after it because we can't let
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  Speaker 2: them have the bomb of which they're only days away
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  Speaker 2: or weeks away. Okay, that's the confusing part. And did
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  Speaker 2: anybody buy it? No? I don't think so. I think
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  Speaker 2: other than the MAGA base that no matter what the
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  Speaker 2: President says, buys it. It's basically the or Will Book
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. You wake up one morning and your
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  Speaker 2: ally is now your enemy, and everybody just buys it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. You're absolutely right, and that's I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how many people are buying it. I'll tell you if
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  Speaker 2: you look at the polls. Certainly the MAGA supporters are
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  Speaker 2: going to support them under any circumstances. The left wing,
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  Speaker 2: the Democrats, even the moderate Democrats, are totally against him.
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  Speaker 2: It's the middle. It's those independents that are moving very
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  Speaker 2: quickly against Trump. And if the election were to be
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  Speaker 2: held today, it would not be pretty as far as
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  Speaker 2: the Republicans are going to concerned. And it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: tough one and the only way at this point the
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  Speaker 2: straight up Hormonvez is going to open up is going
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  Speaker 2: to be an attack of some kind. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: Iron's going to give up the straight because that is
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  Speaker 2: their leverage. That's what they're negotiating with. He also talked
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  Speaker 2: about how our allies are a bunch of pantywtes and
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of hoosses, and let them have the oil,
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  Speaker 2: let them put the oil through We don't need the oil,
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  Speaker 2: and we don't get the oil through the Strait by
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  Speaker 2: the way. The problem is is we don't need the
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  Speaker 2: oil there, therefore let them do it. The problem is
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  Speaker 2: oil is a commodity. It's the world price. So when
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  Speaker 2: oil costs one hundred and forty dollars barrel over there,
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  Speaker 2: it costs one hundred and forty dollars a barrel over here,
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  Speaker 2: and that is the problem. Now it's worse for Europe
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  Speaker 2: because they need the oil. We don't need their oil.
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  Speaker 2: But when you go to the pump and all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden gas is six seven dollars a gallon, just
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  Speaker 2: remember we don't need the oil. Okay, it's tough. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how he's going to get out of this one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, at least in the near future unless a
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  Speaker 2: ceasefire takes place. The straight up the Hormuz is opened
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  Speaker 2: and you've got no longer the state sponsored terrorists support
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  Speaker 2: the nuclear facility. I mean, they still haven't nine hundred
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  Speaker 2: They have nine hundred pounds of purely enriched uranium. That
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  Speaker 2: seems to be what the experts are telling us, and
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  Speaker 2: we don't know where it is. And that's enough to
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  Speaker 2: make three or four bombs, and that is a big one.
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  Speaker 2: Is Iran going to give that up? You know, come on,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where it's go. So anyway, the speech
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  Speaker 2: didn't do much of anything. It was a nothing burger
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  Speaker 2: last night, just as anticipated. And the credibility of the
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  Speaker 2: president I don't think was enhanced one bit. That's my take,
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  Speaker 2: all right. Another thing that happened yesterday, the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 2: took up the birthright citizenship case. And this is the
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  Speaker 2: argument that the President is making that if a child
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  Speaker 2: is born in the United States of parents who are
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  Speaker 2: not legally here, that child is not a citizen. The
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  Speaker 2: child has to have at least one parent who is
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  Speaker 2: here legally. Well, I mean that went up to the
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court. I'm surprised the court even took it, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, because of the fourteenth Amendment that says specifically,
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  Speaker 2: there are anybody born in the United States is a
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  Speaker 2: citizen in the United States. But there's five words there,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what is sort of kind of you can
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  Speaker 2: argue born in any child born United States or the
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  Speaker 2: United States under the jurisdiction of or thereof. And Trump's
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  Speaker 2: argument saying that if a child is born here and
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  Speaker 2: is illegal of illegal parents that is not under the
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  Speaker 2: jurisdiction of the United States, much like a child born
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  Speaker 2: of diplomats or not citizens, child born of anybody at
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  Speaker 2: war with the United States is not a citizen. Used
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  Speaker 2: to be that Indians were not citizens because they were
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  Speaker 2: it was a sovereign nation, although that changed. And so
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  Speaker 2: the argument the administration was making is that the fourteenth
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  Speaker 2: Amendment should be interpreted differently. Now, it was not the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two statute that upheld the fourteenth Amendment in
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  Speaker 2: exact words of the amendment. It was a case of
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  Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight in which the word domicile was used,
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  Speaker 2: and that was a big one. For some reason, the
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  Speaker 2: court spent a lot of time talking about domicile. Bottom
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  Speaker 2: line was that and here's an argument that was made
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  Speaker 2: which the Justice agreed, Kavanaugh agreed, and that is sour
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  Speaker 2: the Attorney General arguing, notts Attorneys General Ontaria, but the
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  Speaker 2: Solicitor General of the United States, who represents the US
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  Speaker 2: in front of the court, arguing, there are eight billion
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  Speaker 2: people out there who would die to come here. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about tourism, birth tourism, which is true. It absolutely
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  Speaker 2: does happen, and most of the world does not allow
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  Speaker 2: birthrights citizenship, which is true. And what the Justice said,
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  Speaker 2: Kavanaugh said, that's a good argument argument on a policy matter.
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  Speaker 2: That's policy, that's not the law. We're here to interpret
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  Speaker 2: the law the Constitution, not talk about policy. And probably
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  Speaker 2: the most significant line that came out of that is
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  Speaker 2: when sour said, it's a different world and we can't
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  Speaker 2: look at it the same way because originally the fourteenth
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  Speaker 2: Amendment was passed to enable previous enslaved people the right
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  Speaker 2: to citizenship, just as they slavery is illegal. Certainly, that
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  Speaker 2: was the thirteenth Amendment. However, that didn't mean that formally
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  Speaker 2: enslaved people African Americans were citizens, and the fourteenth Amendment
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  Speaker 2: set up the fact they were citizens. So that is
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  Speaker 2: the historical part of it. And Sower argued saying, it's
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  Speaker 2: a new world and we have to look at it
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  Speaker 2: in a different way, and Kavanaugh said, it's a new world,
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  Speaker 2: but it's the same Constitution. And you know what, there
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  Speaker 2: was very little argument against their bottom line, of course,
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  Speaker 2: is the Court is going to deny the art argument
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  Speaker 2: birthright citizenship or against birthright citizenship. There may be a
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  Speaker 2: couple that go the other way. Elito may go the
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  Speaker 2: other way. Clarence Thomas goes against any civil rights. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he is in favor of taking away any rights at all.
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  Speaker 2: But that's Clarence Thomas. And you're going to see either
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  Speaker 2: eight to one, seven to two decision and may even
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  Speaker 2: be an honor. It may even be unanimous because fourteenth
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  Speaker 2: Amendment is pretty clear and the nineteen fifty two case
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  Speaker 2: basically parrotied the exact language of the Fourteenth Amendment upholding
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  Speaker 2: birthright citizenship. All right, it's time for Rod Pile. Rod's
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  Speaker 2: our Space guy, and I'm looking at this one sheet
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  Speaker 2: dot com, Author, journalist, editor in chief at Astroma Magazine, Author,
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  Speaker 2: Space two point zero, author, Technology Highlights for NASA JPL,
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  Speaker 2: author Apollo Executive Education Program for NASA, slash JSC recipient
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Space Pioneer Award, co host This Week
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  Speaker 2: in Space, named Top one hundred men in the Aerospace
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  Speaker 2: and Aviation. To follow on LinkedIn. Good looking guy and
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  Speaker 2: well hung okay, why thank you? Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: My favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you were there.
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  Speaker 1: Yesterday, right, No, So actually I'm heading out there in
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  Speaker 1: about an hour. I was here, but I had a
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  Speaker 1: live hookup with an Apollo era flight director who was
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  Speaker 1: on the floor of Michigan Control because I'm writing his biography.
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  Speaker 1: His name's Jerry Griffin. He was the only guy from
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  Speaker 1: the Apollo era that was there, and of course they
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  Speaker 1: treated him like royalty. But he was just you know,
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  Speaker 1: these engineers are pretty tightly wrapped, but he was just
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  Speaker 1: losing it. He was so excited because everything worked the
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  Speaker 1: first time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was what was it the last time
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  Speaker 2: there was a failure. I mean, it just this is
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  Speaker 2: the first go round. I mean, this never happens. There's
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  Speaker 2: never much testing. If I'm not mistaken, hey, the first
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  Speaker 2: go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So they did test the Iran capsule in Earth orbit
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen and it was okay, but they had
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  Speaker 1: heat shield problems. Then they did the uncrewed test in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, flying a similar trajectory out towards the
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  Speaker 1: Moon and back, and still had some heat shield issues.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is the first time with a crew
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  Speaker 1: in that spacecraft ever for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. The first question, of course everybody asks, of course
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  Speaker 2: we go to that bathroom issue and the toilet was
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  Speaker 2: not working, then it was working. So let me give
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  Speaker 2: you a scenario toilet on the spacecraft. Obviously they don't
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  Speaker 2: have rooms in there, so there has to be some
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  Speaker 2: kind of a curtain that goes around while you do
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  Speaker 2: your toilet.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually like like like a toilet on an airplane.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little room with the door you can close.
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  Speaker 2: Oh there is a room.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I was surprised. It's in the floor actually,
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  Speaker 1: and in zero G. Of course, the capsule seems much
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  Speaker 1: bigger than it is, you know, if you're standing in
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  Speaker 1: there in regular gravity. But yeah, you can go in there,
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  Speaker 1: and that's good because about half the astronauts that go
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  Speaker 1: into orbit and become weightless get sick for a while.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're going to be hurling, you really want
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  Speaker 1: a nice private place to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what about the sound effects when you're in no
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  Speaker 2: never mind.
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  Speaker 1: That spacecraft are kind of noisy, so it probably they are.
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  Speaker 2: Well wait a second, they can't be noisy while they're
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  Speaker 2: out in space because unless all kinds of mechanisms are
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  Speaker 2: moving inside the spacecraft.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they got pumps and fans.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, I never talked about it. There is
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  Speaker 2: there is always in there that makes sense, all right,
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  Speaker 2: So it's yesterday. I want to talk about the import
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  Speaker 2: of this because I was watching this live and every
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  Speaker 2: expert that they brought on, and they were all former astronauts,
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  Speaker 2: like virtually everyone to comment on this. You had the
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  Speaker 2: Kelly brothers who were there, you had people who were
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  Speaker 2: but on the ISAs people had flown before. The excitement
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  Speaker 2: level of every one of them I've never seen. Why
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  Speaker 2: were they so damn excited.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because we're really stretching again. We haven't left low
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  Speaker 1: earth orbit with people since nineteen seventy two, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is a big deal going out to the moon
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  Speaker 1: and back. I mean, we perfected this in the nineteen sixties,
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  Speaker 1: early nineteen seventies, but all those people are gone, so
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  Speaker 1: this is a whole new Michigan Control. In fact, Jerry
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  Speaker 1: Griffin told me when the flight directors, that the current
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  Speaker 1: flight directors came out to meet him in Misig Control.
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  Speaker 1: They introduced themselves by number, like I'm flight director number
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  Speaker 1: eighty seven. I'm flight director number one oh one, meaning
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  Speaker 1: that's how many NASAs had He said, Ha, I'm flight
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  Speaker 1: director number six, So you know, this is a whole
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  Speaker 1: new crew oo and it's just a huge command of
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  Speaker 1: control problem on top of all the stuff that has
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  Speaker 1: to go right on the spacecraft itself.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was reading that when people on the
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  Speaker 2: ISS would meet the Apollo astronauts who had been on
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  Speaker 2: the Moon, the reverence was unbelievable. I would say, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this guy's been on the Moon. He has walked on
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  Speaker 2: the Moon, and it was almost like they were deities. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and are are we going to get back to that
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  Speaker 2: same place with our newer astronauts are going to be moonwalkers?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully by twenty twenty eight. And you know this
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  Speaker 1: is one of the big drivers here, and you probably
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  Speaker 1: heard this on the news yesterday. You know, this whole
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  Speaker 1: competition with China. In my opinion, the United States only
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  Speaker 1: really does well when it's a competition with somebody, Otherwise
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  Speaker 1: we'd get kind of lackadaisical. So we're concerned that China's
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  Speaker 1: get to the Moon before us, that they're going to
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  Speaker 1: start building stuff up there. You can't claim territory, but
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  Speaker 1: you can occupy and declare an exclusion zone. And nobody
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  Speaker 1: at NASA or elsewhere in the government wants that to happen,
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's a big driver of the excitement here,
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  Speaker 1: is just getting people back there as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, from my perspective, I bowed the knee
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  Speaker 1: to every astronaut I've ever met, but the moonwalkers are
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  Speaker 1: special and there's only a couple left.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Rod is our space expert and has been
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  Speaker 2: for many years. Yesterday Artemis two took off. It seemed
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  Speaker 2: to have worked just flawlessly. And big rocket. Was it
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  Speaker 2: as big as the Atlas rocket? I know it had
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  Speaker 2: more power by two million pounds of thrust, but was
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  Speaker 2: it as big.
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  Speaker 1: Way, bigger way, bigger? Yeah, this is in the Saturn
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  Speaker 1: five class pretty much, and more powerful than the Saturn five,
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  Speaker 1: at least on the first stage. The numbers are tricky
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  Speaker 1: because the Saturn five had a more powerful upper stage
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  Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, but basically the SOLS is the
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  Speaker 1: most powerful rocket we've used for NASA.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now let's talk about out what this is going
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  Speaker 2: to do. And as a result of this, the next
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  Speaker 2: step and then the step after that, and the step
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  Speaker 2: after that, and of course the end all be all
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  Speaker 2: of the program right now is having an astronaut walk
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  Speaker 2: on Mars. So take us through the steps that is
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  Speaker 2: going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so right now they're in what's called a high
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  Speaker 1: elliptical orbit, about fourteen hundred miles high around Earth. It's
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  Speaker 1: a big twenty four hour orbit. This takes them through
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  Speaker 1: the Van Allen Belts and lets them check out all
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  Speaker 1: hardware through certain amount of radiation dosing and make sure
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  Speaker 1: life supports working and all that. Then they're going to
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  Speaker 1: fire up their engine this afternoon, the onboard engine on
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  Speaker 1: the Orion capsule. That'll send them finally into their translunar trajectory.
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  Speaker 1: They'll go loop behind the Moon about three days later.
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  Speaker 1: They're not orbiting, they're just doing a single pass behind
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  Speaker 1: it at about forty six hundred miles. Then they come
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  Speaker 1: home and then they re enter, which is the critical part,
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  Speaker 1: at twenty five thousand per hour, just like the Apollo ships.
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  Speaker 1: Did a little bit of worry about that heat shield,
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  Speaker 1: but they think they've got it figured out and they
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  Speaker 1: splash down just off the coast of San Diego actually
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: then Artemis three. So recently Isaacman, Jared Isaacman, the new
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  Speaker 1: NAS administrator, announced this big shake up of the program
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Artemis three was supposed to land in two years. Now,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Artemist three is going to launch next year because they
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: want to keep the cadence up, keep people in practice.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: It'll go into an orbital mission and we'll dock with
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: one or both of the lunar landers that Blue Origin
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and SpaceX are building to test them. Then Artemis four,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: hopefully in twenty twenty eight, actually makes the first crude
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: landing and takes a couple of astronauts down to the
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: lunar surface. And you know, that's the big one for us,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: because of course, China has really developed something very parallel
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to the Apollo program. It's a little simpler, it's kind
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: of a dash and grab for the first mission. They've
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: said they're going to land Chinese astronauts there by twenty thirty,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: but you can bet it's going to be twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine because that's the eightieth anniversary of the People's Republic
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of China and they're not going to miss that. Then
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: finally Artemis for at Artemis five go up in the
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: succeeding few years, and eventually we start building our moon base.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what I'm going to ask you. The
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Moon base because that's obviously going to be a big
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: deal prior to the attempt at Mars, when are we
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: looking at a moon base? It seems to me that
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: it's farther out than I thought what it was.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll both live long enough, I think somewhere in
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four to twenty twenty six time window.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, they may get some elements of it down earlier.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: In fact, the Blue Origin Lander can support a crew
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: for thirty days just by itself. It's like a big
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: oversized lunar module on steroids. So between that and building
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: a couple of components that they can land to work
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: in conjunction with that, maybe even a starship a spaces
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: can work that out. It could happen a little sooner,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: but as you know, these things move slower than we
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: plan on.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the numbers you gave is was twenty twenty four,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: That us sorry, twenty thirty four, thirty five.
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  Speaker 2: Well we should be around by then, hopefully, you know,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I hope. So yeah, okay, Rod, thank you, and we'll
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: look you sir. Yeah, and once again, let me pitch
• 22:13
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• 22:28
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• 22:35
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• 22:50
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• 22:56
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