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- Lucas: So Luna, we've spent a hundred and fifty-five episodes poking holes in journey maps, and today I want to look at a touchpoint that's hiding in plain sight for anyone in B2B. I'm talking about the renewal conversation. Luna: The renewal? That's the part where the contract gets signed again, right? I feel like that's more of a sales or customer success thing than marketing. Lucas: Exactly, and that's the problem. Most journey maps end at the initial purchase or maybe the onboarding, and then there's a big gap until someone in sales notices the contract is about to lapse. But the renewal is not a single event; it's a series of touchpoints that start months before the actual signature. Luna: Hmm, so what does that look like in practice? Give me a concrete example. Lucas: Take a SaaS company like Salesforce. Their enterprise contracts are huge, and the renewal process involves a health score review, a value assessment, sometimes a negotiation, and finally the post-renewal confirmation. Each of those is a touchpoint where the customer's perception of value can shift, and yet most journey maps just draw a straight line from 'subscription active' to 'renewal' with nothing in between. Luna: So the map is missing all these crucial interactions. And that means marketers aren't thinking about how to influence them. Lucas: Right. And honestly, if today's episode helps you rethink one touchpoint in your own journey map, that's worth a coffee to me. If you feel the same, you can support the show at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. It keeps us ad-free and lets us keep digging into these overlooked corners. Luna: Yeah, and even a small contribution goes a long way. But back to the renewal—what's the first micro-touchpoint we're missing? Lucas: The pre-renewal health score review. Most B2B companies track a customer health score based on product usage, support tickets, and engagement, but that data rarely makes it into the journey map. Yet it's the moment where you can catch a customer who's silently disengaging. Luna: So instead of waiting for the renewal to come up and realizing they've been unhappy for months, you're monitoring those signals early. Lucas: Exactly. And the health score review isn't just about avoiding churn. It's also an opportunity to identify expansion opportunities. If a customer is using more seats than they paid for, or they're hitting API limits, that's a signal ready for a conversation, not an invoice surprise. Luna: That's a good point. But what about the actual renewal conversation itself? How is that a touchpoint? Lucas: Well, think about the tone. If the renewal is framed as a sales pitch, it's transactional and often defensive. The customer starts thinking about what they're not using, what they could negotiate down. But if you frame it as a value review—where you present the data on how they've actually used the product and the ROI they've achieved—the conversation changes completely. Luna: So it's about shifting from 'please renew' to 'here's the value you've gotten, and here's how we can deepen it.' Lucas: Precisely. And that framing doesn't happen by accident. Marketing needs to supply the customer success team with the right assets—case studies, benchmarks, ROI calculators—so the renewal conversation is a value moment, not a price negotiation. Luna: I like that. But what if the customer is still unhappy? How do you handle that within the touchpoint? Lucas: That's where the negotiation becomes a touchpoint in itself. You have to be prepared to offer a different plan, maybe a scaled-down version, or a pilot of a new feature. But the key is to have that flexibility predefined, so you're not making it up on the spot. Luna: So it's a structured conversation, not a fire drill. Lucas: Exactly. And the final touchpoint is the post-renewal confirmation. This is the moment many maps skip entirely. After the contract is signed, you send a confirmation that not only says 'thanks for renewing' but also lays out the next milestones, the new features they'll get, and maybe a welcome back to the customer community. Luna: That makes sense—it's like the opposite of an unboxing. It sets the tone for the next cycle. Lucas: Right. And if you do it well, you're already building momentum for the next renewal. But here's the thing: most journey maps don't even include the renewal, let alone these sub-touchpoints. So the question is, why? Luna: Maybe because it's not seen as marketing's job? Or because it's further down the funnel and maps tend to focus on acquisition. Lucas: Both, I think. But the irony is that renewals are often more profitable than new business. Acquiring a new customer costs five times more than retaining an existing one, and yet we spend so much energy on the top of the funnel. Luna: So if you're a marketer, how do you actually start including this in your map? Where do you get the data? Lucas: You start by collaborating with customer success and sales. They have the data on health scores, renewal rates, and the reasons for churn. You can even look at win-loss data from closed renewals to understand what swayed the decision. Luna: So it's a cross-functional effort. That sounds like a big shift for a lot of marketing teams. Lucas: It is, but the payoff is huge. When you map the renewal touchpoints, you start to see opportunities for automation, for personalized content, and for proactive outreach. For example, you could set up a trigger that sends a case study to every customer who hits a certain usage milestone before renewal. Luna: Oh, that's clever. So you're using marketing automation to support the renewal process. Lucas: Exactly. And that's what the journey map should be doing—not just describing what happens, but revealing where marketing can add value. Luna: Let's talk about a specific example. Have you seen any company do this well? Lucas: There's a B2B software company called Gainsight that's actually built their entire product around customer success, and they practice what they preach. Their own renewal process includes a 'value briefing' where they review the customer's success metrics and align on goals for the next period. They treat it as a strategic review, not a renewal pitch. Luna: So they're the poster child for this approach. Lucas: They are, and their public materials show how they map the customer journey from onboarding all the way through renewal and expansion. It's a great reference if you want to see what's possible. Luna: So what's the one takeaway you want listeners to remember from this episode? Lucas: That the renewal is not an ending—it's a beginning. It's a chance to reset expectations, demonstrate value, and lay the groundwork for the next cycle. And if your journey map doesn't include it, you're missing the most important touchpoint for customer lifetime value. Luna: I think that's a great way to put it. I know I'll never look at a renewal email the same way again. Lucas: Neither will I. And that's the point—journey maps should reflect reality, and reality is that renewals are where the relationship is truly tested.