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#1720 From Selling Coke To Selling Hope - D'Andre Ricks · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another bloody installment of
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  Speaker 1: the YOU Project. It's Harps. Who else would it be?
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  Speaker 1: Same bloke that's been either last seven seventeen hundred or
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  Speaker 1: something and fifteen times or something like that. Anyway, I'm
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  Speaker 1: back again. It's a Friday in the thriving metropolis. It's
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  Speaker 1: just gone midday here. And the other day. Maybe a
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  Speaker 1: week ago, maybe two weeks ago, a friend of mine,
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  Speaker 1: Fergus Watt's the great man, the Big Ferg, sent me
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  Speaker 1: a message and said, there's this shifty, dodgy bloke that
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  Speaker 1: I know. No, he didn't say that, he didn't say
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  Speaker 1: kind of did No, he didn't. He said there's a
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  Speaker 1: maid of mine who's got a really interesting story. And
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  Speaker 1: he was not lying. And so I caught up with
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  Speaker 1: this interesting bloke with an interesting story last week. His
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  Speaker 1: name's DeAndre Rix. He's a good dude. And I went, mate,
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  Speaker 1: let's jump on and have a chat on the U project,
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  Speaker 1: because I think your story will resonate and your energy
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  Speaker 1: will resonate. And here is hi, mate. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks Greg? Thanks me, I'm great. I'm great.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks thanks for being Thanks for being had mate.
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  Speaker 1: I don't reckon, too many people would have had you
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  Speaker 1: over the years. I reckon, You're pretty fucking quick on
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  Speaker 1: your feet, weren't you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I would have been never convisioned
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  Speaker 3: myself on the podcast or anything that much.
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  Speaker 1: I'll look at you. Is this podcast one for you?
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  Speaker 2: This is podcast one?
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is this is your debut, mate, this is
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  Speaker 1: your day. This has got and you started at the top.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking hell, it's all, he says, humbly. So it's let's
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  Speaker 1: start with. How do you know ferg so ferg of
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  Speaker 1: course was He was the CEO of Reach and he's
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  Speaker 1: still i think involved on the board. Fergus Watts the
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  Speaker 1: great man and his dad was the boss. Did you
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  Speaker 1: know that his bat dad, Jim was the CEO of
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  Speaker 1: Sint Kilda Footy Club? Did you know that?
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea that's how he got into the footy.
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  Speaker 2: That's good to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day. And well he played footy
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  Speaker 1: of course for Adelaide and he had a few injury
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  Speaker 1: woes and he was he wasn't a superstar, but he
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  Speaker 1: was good enough to make the AFL. I think he
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  Speaker 1: would admit that he wasn't a superstar, but He was
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  Speaker 1: definitely a pretty solid player. Had a few injury problems,
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  Speaker 1: but he's been all over the world and done a
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  Speaker 1: lot of things alongside his brother Jack. How did you
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  Speaker 1: two meet?
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  Speaker 3: So he he'd messaged me from a Google lad that
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  Speaker 3: I'd put up maybe a year and a half ago.
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  Speaker 3: Now he actually thought that I was some other dude.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why, but with like bald hair and
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  Speaker 3: a mullet and tatoos all over his face, and for
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  Speaker 3: some reason he wanted that to be his trainer. And
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  Speaker 3: I think he came down and got a big surprise
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  Speaker 3: that it was me. I go, look, if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to stay with me, I waka tatoo or me if
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  Speaker 3: it makes you happy. But no, that's how I met him,
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  Speaker 3: and then I started training him and three other blokes.
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  Speaker 3: I trained them every Tuesday and Friday out of my
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  Speaker 3: carriage in the morning at five point thirty.
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  Speaker 1: What's your general democrat? Like we were talking the other day. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I've said this a lot over the years,
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  Speaker 1: Like people say to me things like, oh, the fitness
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  Speaker 1: industry is saturated, personal training saturated. You can't you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's too many trainers. There's not I'm like well, if
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  Speaker 1: you're fucking amazing, you're going to be busy. Right. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised the number of cafes that open up in
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  Speaker 1: Hampton Street, which definitely doesn't need another cafe. One literally
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  Speaker 1: opened across the road for me the other day, a
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  Speaker 1: new one, and at this point in time it's busy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, how the fuck are they busy? There's thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven other cafes, but they're doing all right. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that, you know, like any industry, there are good
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  Speaker 1: trainers and bad trainers. There are good doctors and bad doctors,
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  Speaker 1: good bricklayers and bad bricklayers, good taxi drivers and bad
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  Speaker 1: taxi drivers. You know. So, but I said to you
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  Speaker 1: the other day, so you work from your garage, which
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  Speaker 1: is cool, as do many people. But you know it's
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  Speaker 1: not exactly a fitness first with ten million dollars worth
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  Speaker 1: of equipment, right, yeah, no, no, And you and I
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  Speaker 1: mean that respectfully because my beginnings were in fitness were
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  Speaker 1: very humble as well. Right, I said, how many sessions.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about money, so don't panic,
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  Speaker 1: but how many sessions a day do you do? And
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  Speaker 1: I think you said to me about eleven.
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  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, sometimes a little bit more if I'm
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  Speaker 3: being cheeky, but yeah, just grind, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'd like to answer your first question.
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  Speaker 3: It's not about like how many fitness trainers there are,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not even when I started, I didn't
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  Speaker 3: even think about that at all. It's not it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't even on my head. It was like, this
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  Speaker 3: is what I'm going to do, this is what I
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  Speaker 3: like doing, and I'm going to do whatever it takes to.
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  Speaker 2: Be this person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that you know that obviously shows in
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  Speaker 3: the amount of sessions sometimes you have to do to
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  Speaker 3: stay ahead of everyone as well.
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  Speaker 1: So and it's like, I'm not going to tell anyone
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  Speaker 1: what you earned, but I know what you earn, and
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  Speaker 1: it's very good money. But you work very hard, lots
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  Speaker 1: of hours. Your your rate is up there. And what's
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  Speaker 1: a testament. And this ain't about money everyone, This is
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  Speaker 1: about what you can do with not much. This is
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  Speaker 1: what I love. So you work in your garage with
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  Speaker 1: minimal equipment, and you do on average, eleven or more
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  Speaker 1: sessions a day, five days a week, and you do
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  Speaker 1: bits and pieces on the weekend sometimes or no.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Saturday.
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  Speaker 3: I just started opening up, so started doing Sundays as well,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, but.
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  Speaker 1: You know I love that. And you know, so with minimal,
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  Speaker 1: minimal resources, but lots of effort and lots of energy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're building this amazing business and you're and
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  Speaker 1: you're about to open up a proper placematee like a
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  Speaker 1: grown up place out of the.
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  Speaker 2: Garage, big boys stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Man, how do you feel about because I did that.
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  Speaker 1: When I did that was fuck nine ninety dude, So
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  Speaker 1: you weren't you were just oh you weren't even born.
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  Speaker 1: When were you born?
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  Speaker 2: Ninety one ninety one?
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  Speaker 1: Got me fucking that's annoying.
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  Speaker 2: I was in I was in the somewhere. I was
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  Speaker 2: watching you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably just hanging out weight and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: he's the first, but I will be the best. That's
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  Speaker 1: what you were thinking. Yeah. So when I opened up
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  Speaker 1: my first studio, I knew fucking nothing, Like I knew
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  Speaker 1: nothing about you've at least you've got a running start
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  Speaker 1: because you've been running a business. But I knew very
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  Speaker 1: little about business, about marketing, about branding. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: meant I had in innate sense, I guess of customer
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  Speaker 1: service and meeting people's needs and communication. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, coming for We'll talk about where you came
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  Speaker 1: from a few years ago, but it's fair to say
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  Speaker 1: you stepped out of a pretty tough environment into doing
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  Speaker 1: what you did in the garage. What have been the
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  Speaker 1: what have been the lessons for you building a business,
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  Speaker 1: like building a brand literally starting from scratch with I
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  Speaker 1: think you told me you had like a fucking chin
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  Speaker 1: up frame and a boxing bag or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yes, So the lessons are, you can always
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  Speaker 3: get to where you want as long as you're ready
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  Speaker 3: to put that work in. I think you can outwork
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  Speaker 3: everything no matter how many mistakes you make. If you
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  Speaker 3: can just keep showing up every single day, every hour.
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  Speaker 3: If you have to work ten, twelve, thirteen hours, so
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  Speaker 3: be it, so be it. If you want to do
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  Speaker 3: it and you do that on repeat, it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: You just got to be put that working. I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, these days it's pretty hard for people, which
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  Speaker 3: I was a bit surprised coming from where I came
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  Speaker 3: from and come out and I was like, what the heck?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it was that that's the lesson.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of trainers around that are cheaper
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  Speaker 1: than you. This is not a loaded question, right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: interested in I've always been like even with what I do,
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  Speaker 1: which my main job in inverted Commas is corporate speaking,
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  Speaker 1: and the range for a corporate speaker for an hour
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  Speaker 1: is crazy from well, if you're actual in the industry
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  Speaker 1: doing it, probably the rock bottom is a couple of grand,
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  Speaker 1: but through to twenty or thirty grand and now, believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not, which is obviously very high profile people.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, it's a very very big range. But
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  Speaker 1: what you charge is about it's probably puts you in
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  Speaker 1: the top half or the top third of what people
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  Speaker 1: would charge for PT these days. What is it that
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  Speaker 1: you do that makes people like, especially wealthy people like
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  Speaker 1: come to your garage and pay quite a bit of
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  Speaker 1: dough to do a workout? What is it that makes
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  Speaker 1: that valuable to them?
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  Speaker 3: I think experience education. I've always up my education. I'll
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  Speaker 3: wake up every morning four point thirty, read a book,
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  Speaker 3: do something to improve myself every single day. Starting out,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I said, I astrain people with water
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  Speaker 3: bottles in COVID and you know, a rusty old frame,
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  Speaker 3: and I was doing that for free.
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  Speaker 2: I was doing that for free, getting the getting there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I moved on doing fifty bucks a
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  Speaker 3: session for an hour, and I was doing that for
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  Speaker 3: two people at once.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was doing ten dollar group.
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  Speaker 3: Classes out in the park over COVID and I was
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  Speaker 3: just on repeat, you know, And I just did that
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  Speaker 3: so many hours, and just over time, I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I think I am worthy enough to
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  Speaker 3: put my prices up. And over time I learned more,
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  Speaker 3: I got more experience, so I thought it was pretty
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  Speaker 3: easy for me to just put my prices up now
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  Speaker 3: because I've done it.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I finished my bachelor, I was like, well, now.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a hextat, so I've obviously got to put
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  Speaker 3: my prices up there.
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  Speaker 2: I've got this education background.
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  Speaker 3: I did, you know, not to blow my own tires,
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  Speaker 3: but I got, you know, a Student of the Year awards.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, maybe I am okay what I do.
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  Speaker 3: So then I kept my prices up again, and then
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  Speaker 3: again I just keep on backing myself and I just
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  Speaker 3: keep on learning and growing, and I'm finding out the
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  Speaker 3: more you know in this field and you yourself, the
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  Speaker 3: more you know, the less you know, and you start
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  Speaker 3: to kind of things that you used to say and do,
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  Speaker 3: and you kind of like it all kind of folds
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  Speaker 3: back to pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Basic stuff, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's how I set myself apart from everyone.
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  Speaker 2: It's that it's my experience, it's my results.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've done this in different environments and I've
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  Speaker 3: seen the same results. I've been in environments where you
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  Speaker 3: didn't have any you know, there wasn't stresses outside, there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't anything like that. So I could actually just put
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  Speaker 3: in the work with someone, you know, put them on
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  Speaker 3: an eating plan, train them this way, look at how
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  Speaker 3: they recover, and you could actually see the results come
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  Speaker 3: from each one. And you can't do that in this environment,
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  Speaker 3: especially in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of variables and a lot of potential
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  Speaker 1: answers to the next question. So I don't want an
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  Speaker 1: absolute answer, but just your thoughts. How come some people.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say two people come to you and they've both
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  Speaker 1: got the same potential, genetic potential, same resources, same same you,
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  Speaker 1: same same energy from you. Let's say it's a level
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  Speaker 1: playing field. One of them gets results, one of them doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: And I know it's not a thing, it's different things.
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  Speaker 1: What are some of the variables that make the difference
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  Speaker 1: between now before anyone's gone, Oh yeah, but one what
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  Speaker 1: if one's got four screaming kids and no, we're taking
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  Speaker 1: out all that in this in this thought experiment, everything's
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  Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, but one gets results and one doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: What are some of those factors?
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  Speaker 3: I think there's metabolic factors. There's massive metabolic factors. There's
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  Speaker 3: genetic factors. You know my cousin who won't trained for
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  Speaker 3: like a week and then you'll train once and just
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  Speaker 3: be absolutely machine. There's massive genetic factors. There's also yeah,
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  Speaker 3: meta but I know some people that have to lose weight,
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  Speaker 3: they can only drop down to like two thousand calories
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  Speaker 3: and they're like one hundred kilos and that's the only
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  Speaker 3: way they're ever going to lose anybody fat. And some
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  Speaker 3: people can drop down to three thousand calories and they
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  Speaker 3: can be shredded as So there's, like I said, it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to answer question because there are heaps of factors
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  Speaker 3: within that person. But if everything was the same, then
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  Speaker 3: it's probably that person's not working hard enough or is lying.
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  Speaker 1: So you know that person's not working hard enough or
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  Speaker 1: they're lying. You know what people get people get mad
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  Speaker 1: at me, but fuck it, I don't care. Like the
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  Speaker 1: amount of my clients, and I don't think my clients
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  Speaker 1: were particularly good or bad clients, just typical. The amount
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  Speaker 1: of my clients who used to fucking lie to me
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  Speaker 1: about what they would eat, and I would catch them out.
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  Speaker 1: And I knew because I went through a stage of
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  Speaker 1: my life where I lied, mate, because I unlike, were
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  Speaker 1: you a big kid when you were young?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was fucking growing up, mate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, right, So, and I remember there were
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  Speaker 1: times when I was I was not doing what I
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  Speaker 1: was telling people to do, right, So I was a
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  Speaker 1: fucking fake anyway. But I could tell when people were
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  Speaker 1: bullshitting and they'd give me their food diary or would
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  Speaker 1: have a com or whatever it was.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I used to back in the days before apps, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with fucking you know, stone tablets and a chisel, I
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  Speaker 1: used to get people to record their food, their sleep,
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  Speaker 1: their excise, you know, coffee, tea, booze, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the kind of stuff, so that every time they would
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  Speaker 1: rock up to me, we actually had physical, variable physical diaries.
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  Speaker 1: I should say that I had printed that my clients
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  Speaker 1: would use and they'd turn up and they'd hand me
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  Speaker 1: their diary, right, and it's a Thursday afternoon. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen them since Monday afternoon, so there should be seventy
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  Speaker 1: two hours of information. And I look at it and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this isn't what happened. And they're like,
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: I go, I didn't eat.
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  Speaker 1: This, and they look at me this I did. I go, yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you ate this, but this isn't all you ate.
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  Speaker 1: And then almost nine out of ten times they'd go, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well we had drinks after work or oh we saw that.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I just say to people, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to throw you under the bus. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 1: to make your life hard. I'm trying to be your coach,
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  Speaker 1: and you need to tell me what you are doing,
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  Speaker 1: good or bad, so that we can kind of create
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  Speaker 1: a strategy that's going to work for you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because people get this like immediate kind of
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  Speaker 3: resistance as soon as they get around their coach, like
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  Speaker 3: where their dad or their mum, and they just straight
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  Speaker 3: away have to lie to us or you know, sugarcoat
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  Speaker 3: things to try and make us feel happy, which is annoying,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, you've got to establish that at the start.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, I always say, you know, this
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  Speaker 3: is about respecting yourself first.
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  Speaker 2: This is always this process. Now, as soon as we start,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to learn how to respect our word again.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as you can start respecting your word again,
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  Speaker 3: everything will good. But we start to you know, we say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that'll be right, Oh she'll be right mate, you know,
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  Speaker 3: real Aussie famous ossie saying you know, she'll be right mate,
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  Speaker 3: Oh that'll be right, this will be sweet.
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  Speaker 2: And over time that adds up.
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  Speaker 3: You know, a little bit of oil here, extra sauce here,
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  Speaker 3: an extra cheeseburger here, It adds up. And it's just
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  Speaker 3: a learning how to just say no and respectfully bring
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  Speaker 3: your word back to one hundred percent for yourself.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so you walk and you talk, so you're
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  Speaker 1: doing what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Interestingly, only about four years before you started your
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  Speaker 1: PT career, or officially you were oh no, from about
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  Speaker 1: was it about four years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Now? Yeah? Just just over four years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now, so just over four years ago. People might know
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  Speaker 1: this already because it's probably in the copy that I
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  Speaker 1: wrote for the show notes that people have looked at
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  Speaker 1: but four and a bit years ago, you were in prison. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm so interested in this story. Could you give
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  Speaker 1: us like like, we're in no hurry, but how did
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  Speaker 1: you end up there? Now? I know that you could
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  Speaker 1: talk about that for a day, but what because when
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  Speaker 1: I meet you, like, you're such a fucking nice person.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not pissing in your pocket. You're just a good dude.
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  Speaker 1: You're gentle, your kind, You're fucking smart, You've got a
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: great awareness. I'm like, wow, And I've worked in prisons,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: I've spoken in prisons. You're not the typical inmate. So
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: tell us about how you ended up there.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: I'm blushing, all right, short version, Okay, So I grew
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: up single, mum. You know, I was, you know, drinking
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: and fighting from you know, twelve years old, down the streets.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: It's me, my mom and my brother were kind of
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: one unit.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Finally got out of that, went to six different schools,
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: got out of that, started carpentry at sixteen. After I
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: dropped out after going to six different schools, met Demi
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: had a kid.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Then I was going to.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Hang on, hang on, champ. You've got to tell everyone
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: who Demi is, Like we don't all know.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: The storyt Demi, my my fiance.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I haven't married her yet. She's going to kill me.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Getting your shit together? Can you marry that woman? Please?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: And that was a nervous That was a nervous laugh,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't it everyone?
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: And then yeah, I was a carpenter, finished my apprenticeship,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: started my own business.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Life was going good.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Then I broke my leg in twenty fifteen, right fractured
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: my tibia, completely ruptured playing basketball. And then Demi was
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: pregnant with the second kid, and Lyric and he and
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: she was vomiting, couldn't work, couldn't do anything. And then
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, being this provider for you know,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: a good six seven years, I just obviously just stopped
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: being able to do that. Then going forwards, I just
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: started getting exposed to all these drugs. Like I grew
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: up in a pretty rough area back in the day,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you know, the older generations from where I came from,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: well doing drugs, doing ice, heroin, all that stuff. And
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: you know, me and my group we kind of stayed
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: away from that stuff. We still drank fot and stuff
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: like that, but we saw them fuck up so much
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: that if I swear here saw them fuck up so
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: much that we kind of gave us like, oh, don't
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden, I was.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Exposed to all of these you know, end domes oxis,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: all that stuff.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck it, why not.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: I was sitting there, depressed, leg up, started smoking weed
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: and started doing cocaine. I just started just abusing drugs
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit because I was bored, didn't have anything
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: to do.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, fuck, what am I going
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to do? I've got no money.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: The next option for me was I have to sell
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: some drugs. All of a sudden, start selling drugs. Selling
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: a bag turned into announce. Announce turned into a quarter ounce,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: a quarter quillo, quarter killa turned into a quilo. And
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I just started getting good at what I was doing.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, I was investigated for
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: a year, got.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Pulled away hang on champ all right, what hit the
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: pause button? Selling a quilo of what cokaine?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I got done with selling killer coke.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I have no idea about drugs. I'm the most boring
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: motherfucker on the planet. How much like I don't know
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: if you've made but in two thousand and like now
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: what would a quilo of cocaine be worse?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Now? About two hundred grand?
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Fu?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Could he fuck? Batman? All right? So you had a
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: wholesale business going for sure.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at a safe house, pills and guns and all
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: the you name it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I did it, I had it, I was doing it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And what's a safe house? What does that mean? Like
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: for what where you had everything there? Or you?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to make it short for you of that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: No, this is interesting. This is interesting and also skip
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: over anything you don't want to talk about. And like
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I said to earlier, but I mean, like, I sorry,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I'll let you go in a minute, But I just
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: find how is this dude that I know? Obviously I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: don't know you well, but I'm pretty good judge of character,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, you can't fake you, Like when I
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: met you the other day at the cafe and we
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: spoke for over Now, I'm like, yeah, nobody is that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: good an actor? Like he's actually a good dude. I'm
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: sure you've done dumb shit and bad shit, and I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: sure you wish you didn't and you could undo history,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: but you can't.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: It.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, all right, So so you had a safe house,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: sh had a gun, you had drugs. You were selling
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: kire loads of or a kilo of cokeine done with.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: A kilo of coke. So I saw the killer of coke.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: And yeah, so at a safe house is where you
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: kind of store drugs. And then I was sending other
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: people to pick up the drugs and take them.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Somewhere else and stuff like that. I got investigated for
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: a year, And what does.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: That mean practically? What's happening? Like, how do you know?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Do they go, hey, mate, we're investigating you or what
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: does that look like?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: It comes up in my brief right when I get arrested,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: But it looks like you're paranoid because you're looking like
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: this at everything and you're like, is this guy following me?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: When they were?
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: But do you think you know, it's pretty it's pretty
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: PTSD right because you think they are following you, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: But is it you're tripping? Are you like, is it
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: the cocaine that you're snorting that you're tripping I on?
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Or is it you actually people following you? And yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: so people follow me. They bugged my house, they bugged
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: my car.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: What else?
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: They bugged the safe house around that, so they could
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: see who was coming in. They had cameras cars set
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: up with cameras facing at the car. They've just leave
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: these cars there.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I was.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: I was on all all views so and I was
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: just continue doing what I'm doing. I kind of had
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: a pretty good awareness that I was being followed at
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: the time, and I just, I don't know. I thought
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I was being safer than I was. We had en
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: cryptid phones back then called blackberries. They've they've done now,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: but were just you could say whatever you wanted on
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: them and never get caught. But yeah, you know those,
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I was using those, and I wasn't going to the
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: safe house myself, and I thought I was doing everything safe,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: but obviously not safe enough. It just takes one person
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: to say one thing and then the whole world comes down.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: So yeah, twenty sixteen November, I was two dudes in
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: high VI's uniforms came to my front door. I saw
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: them drive up the driveway. I was kicking back playing PlayStation.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I opened the door and his guys in HIVIS uniforms
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: with the battering round.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Behind them, freeze, you're an arrest.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: And I kind of saw the battering ram so I
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: kind of knew I was being arrested already, and I
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: turned around already and they just grabbed me, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: went through my house. I thought I was sweet because
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't have anything at my house. And then they
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: started talking about the safe house.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And I was like, fuck, I'm done.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I knew I was fucked, you know, and
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, I went into jail.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I went to the map.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Tell people what that is.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Tell people that's an assessment prison.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: So they go there and they assess you whether you've
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: got mental health issues or you know, you know, you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: don't fit in with the other crowds, and then they
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: send you to where you think you should go.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: So they assessed me.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: They thought it was a great idea to send me
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to Port Phillip prisons. That's the worst where you want
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to go, but that's where I went.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: So, hey, I'm sorry, this is all interesting to us, right,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: So tell us just thirty sixty seconds on Port Philip prison.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: What is that like and why is that the worst
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: place to go?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: A rated A rating, a security rating.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: So it means that you know, you've everything's really segregated,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: all right, So because there's you can't you know, this
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: unit can't contact with this unit because someone will get stabbed.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Not to mention that people are getting stabbed almost every
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: second day in jail anyway, in their little unit because
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: you know, someone's fought over drugs or whatever. But yeah,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: that's that's Port Philip Prison. It's really segregated. It's where
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: all the murderers and stuff go that don't want to conform,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: they don't want to get better.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: But I was on remand here two years. I was
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: awaiting my case to happen.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So because it was conceived to be a big case,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: they just left me in Port Philip Prison. So I
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: go and I didn't get sentenced for about nine months.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I was on remand for nine months to gauge, which
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: was slucked because you're always thinking what's going on. But yeah,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I kind of was the day I got arrested. Man,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: to be honest, when I got to jail, I was
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: kind of like I was a bit relieved, right because
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: at that time, like I said, I was like looking
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: over my shoulder.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I was paranoid. You know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I was always on the phone, just like messaging, sending
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: people everywhere. Like I was hustling, like I was, I
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: was grinding every second just like I am now, I
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: was actually grinding right, it just wasn't in the right
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: field unfortunately.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: And you know that relief was gave me.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: A chance to reflect on my life like I'd never
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: had a time to like sit down and reflect. Like
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I said, from twelve years old, I was punching on
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: and again in the fights and drinking and like I
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: was just everything was just like a big snowball all
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: the time. And that moment for me was finally like, oh, heymnd,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: let's chat, let's think of so.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Wow and you you, I mean, it seems to me
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: like it was just ongoing chaos. And you never really
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: as you said to me when we had a chat
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: at the cafe, it's like you said the same thing
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: you said when I got to jail. It was like
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you could take a big breath. And because you never
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: were not busy or it was never not chaotic or
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: especially in the years leading up to JAU, you were
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: never not worried or looking over your shoulder or thinking
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: about who can I trust, who should I, who can't I,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Who's going to come through? Like that is not you know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: as you now know for ones, because you're an exercise scientists,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: that's not great for a person's nervous system or mental
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: health or emotional health. And I mean, well, you deserved it.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You're a fucking drug dealers. I don't feel.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Sorry for you.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, yeah, that's that's going to happen.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So was it. I mean it sounds silly, but it's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: almost like it was a relief to get busted.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was a massive relief.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Like I didn't want to I didn't want to sell drugs,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Like I actually didn't want to do that completely. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: was stuck in the game. I had so much supply
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: it and I was like, this has to go and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: people owe you money and you just it's a constance
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: like people owe your money, they haven't paid you enough back,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: so I have to get a little bit of supply
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: to support them. Then you end up with a little
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: bit more supply and it just builds, just like this
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: constant thing. And I was like, fuck, this is ever
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: going to end it up. I was trying, but it
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: just wasn't vast enough.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I find interesting, And we'll learn
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit more about your time in prison in
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: a minute, but like not in a good way. In
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a bad way, but also on a level, you were
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: learning about business and transactions and people, and you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: like I wish you had chosen a better field initially,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: but I mean, if you can do that under that pressure,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like you clearly all bit misplaced, but you had a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: good work ethic, right, and now you've kind of just
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: transferred that to something legit. I mean it's more than that,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: but on a level, you've kind of used that same
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: hustle and tenacity and energy for good not evil grasshopper.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guess so, I guess so I guess
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: you get a little bit better at speaking to people
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: as well. Like I've been held at gunpoint before that
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: to talk my way out of it, you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Know what I mean?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Like wow, So like wow, being in that.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Position and just being how to have like the power
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: of the tongue somehow, which I never thought I did
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: have any sort of skill like that, it definitely transfers
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: into what I'm doing.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Now, how Like?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And then how long did you spend in prison?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: So?
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: I did four years in jail and then I got
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: sent So I got sentenced to six years and three
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: months in prison. I wanted to get out three years,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: nine months that kept me over a month or two,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: and then I was released just a month after my
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: daughter's birthday.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: She was annoying because I wanted to get up on
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: her birthday and I didn't.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And So tell us about adjusting. Tell us about the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: first week months, a few months being in prison, understanding
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: what to do, what not to do, the culture, the language,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: fucking safety danger. Tell us about that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the first day I got into prison,
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the first day I got into a poor philip. Let's say,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: I go up there. I go up to my cell.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: It's a three cell. I walk up there and three
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: blokes in there. They go, hey, it's going on, brother,
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: shake my hand, we're going to go run up on
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: this guy. And I'm like okay, and I put my
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: bag down and there's a group of plagues and they
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: all open up this.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Part in the shower. It's like this little plastic and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: they all pull out shifts.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So tell people, I'm sure half no, that's.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: A made up night, right. They give me one, they
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: give everyone else one, And I'm not going to say no.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I don't want to look like a bitch. We're on,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: you know, because I think that's a key point to
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: like show yourself.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I was. I was like, fuck, I don't want to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: do this. I don't want to do this. I don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: want to do this.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: And I was like walking down the steps with this
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: shift down my pants, ready to go and get this guy.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: For the reason I have no idea, right, but the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: group is and I don't want to be left out.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get pulled on. I don't want
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you know, bad.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Things happen if you pull out of situations like that
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: in jail, and I'm like I walk in there, I'm like, sure,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: you want to do this, like we're ready, Like what
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: did you do?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to ask questions and.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like, is there another way? Fellas?
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: And I get down to the to the cell and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: these boys are right in front. I'm right at the back, man,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I'm right at the back. So these guys run in
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: there and just start attacking this dude. This dude's eyes
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: falling out of his head like they've absolutely bad at him.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: It's pretty bad. I kind of walk really slowly. I
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: didn't make it in there in times by coincidence, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: this guy comes flying out, you know, all these screws
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: come out. Screws are just like prison officers. It's like
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: they've got doggies as well, which are like they're like
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: heavy duty.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Prison officers will.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Call them special Operations group, like.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever you want to call them.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: And they they come in and they start grabbing everyone,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: pulling everyone to their cells.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I've launched this ship.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I've launched it outside in this time, and I'm getting
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: put into my cell and I'm like, fuck, if there's
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: any more ships in there. I'm in the slot for
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: three months. I'm not getting visits from my kids, Like
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: this is my first day.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: You fucked up? What's wrong with you? You know? Like I'm
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: talking to myself by this.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I go up there, I look in the flask and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: there's no more ships, so the boys are taking them
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: all and I'm in there by myself, and I'm like,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: thank fucking God, Like that would have been a turning point.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: For me in jail.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: If I'd been caught with that, where I would have
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: ended up in the slot, I would have met around.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I would have been around more heavier people that are,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: you know, interested in that stuff. I would have kind
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: of been around those type of people as well, doing
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the stuff that they're doing.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: But instead I was saved. I guess we'll call it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And from that moment on, I know definitely treaded a
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: lot more lightly in jail.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Ah. So do you feel like if in that moment
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: because you've just got in jail, like proper jail, grown up,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: big boy, fucking terrifying jail, and these blokes go all right,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: here's a ship. You're with us, We're going to do this.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: So you're like, on the one hand, you don't want
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: to go do that because you don't want to stab
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: someone anyway and you don't know who they are and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: you've got no reason to. But also you in your words,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: you don't want to be a bitch. Right, this is
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: this is a fucking this is a psychological dilemma? Yeah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: how many how many of those did you have to
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: deal with? Like where you kind of want to you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: need to kind of fit in, but you don't want
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: to be doing bad shit but you're in prison.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where I kind of like, because not
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: done man, to be honest, Like when I got locked up,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: that was rock bottom for me for me getting locked
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: up like away from my kids. I've done all that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Like like I said, I was when I was twelve
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: years old. I was punching on rubbing ceiling, Like I've
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: been through that already, Like I've grown up. I've grown
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: up from that era already, Like I was done with it,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Like I became a carp and I dropped out of
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: school and became a carp and I met Demi and
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: all that, Like I was already on the way up
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: until I breacked my leg.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: So I had this. I was already finished with that
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: life right And I was put back.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: In here from obviously the dealing, and I was then
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: exposed to it again and a new people. And when
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: I was in jail, like I started reading my first
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I read my first book in there, I started reading
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: you know, men's health magazines and applying it and then
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: you know, using it and training people in there. So
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I started to build my identity in there that I
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: am going to now help people.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to now be I was.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Already put in my head that I was going to
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: train people when I was getting out. This was when
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: I first got in because I finally found a love
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: and a passion for fitness whilst I was in there,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: got myself fit. You know, I was always a FACTI
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: growing up and got my self fit, got others fit,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: and I became. I made that identity for myself, right,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: I wasn't, but I made it. I created it, And
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: it was the identity for me that allowed me to
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: escape those situations because I had people knew me as
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I was like training double murderers and stuff like that,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: yelling at them, tell them to get on the floor
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So and they came to me
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: for help and advice, so they knew that thought I
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: was about. They saw me walk to my cell with
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: a stack of books and a pen and a paper,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: and I was going to sit in my cell all
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: day and read and write and do all that stuff.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: So for me, as my time in jail went on,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: people didn't expect that from me anymore, So it was
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it was pretty yeah all in that sense?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Was there A that's great, mate? I love that. I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: love that in the middle of an environment that's completely
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: not conducive to learning and studying and self improvement, it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like the fucking opposite, right, and in the middle of
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the shitfest. So to my listeners, you know, I love you,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: but also you can do amazing shit in the middle
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of the worst, you know, obviously, So was there, Like,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: what's the term was there?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Was there a tipping point? Like did something happen? I
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: mean other than you got put inside right?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Was that it? Or did you go one day fuck this,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be this anymore? Or did you
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: have a picture of yourself being a thirty five year
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: old fucking loser? Like what did something? Like for a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: lot of people, the turning point is some kind of
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: internal switch.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I said it was probably being locked up
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: to be honest, Like the day I was like, fuck,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I have two kids, you know, a missus crying. My
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: kids are gonna I'm going to miss my kids birthdays
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: from you know, I missed the lyrics birthday.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: From one till five. I got out and went to
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: his first birthday when he was five years old. Like
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that was that was enough for me? That was your
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: fuck up? You know?
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: So I owed everything every day in jail to be
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: a little bit better every single day. I had to
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: make use this time so I could come out and
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: be a better person, better human.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: And that was it.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Like from day one, I was down on the ground
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: doing push ups, reading books, calling you know, reading books,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: not just on exercise sise but like how to build
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: better relationships like like that, just so that I could
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: be a better dad, how I could be a better
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: person in general, so that I could give back when
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: I got out.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Did you have anyone that supported you or encouraged you
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: or mentored you anyone?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Nah?
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Not really not whilst I was in jail. The people
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: that were obviously Demi and the kids and my family,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and I've got good friends in there as well. But yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: when you're in there, it's kind of like the people
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: that I knew in there were just a rating motherfuckers,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So they wanted to do
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: bad shit.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a whole lot of people in jail
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: who don't have an agenda of some sort, right.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, that's exactly right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So and I know that, well,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: since you came out of prison, you've been rolled in
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: university and you've finished a degree in exercise science, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I know you've been I think you've been accepted to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: do a master's that you're putting on hold. By the way,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Its fucking well done, so amazing. But you also started
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a business degree when you're in jail as well.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I started a construction management degree. You get
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: two options in jail, right, your option to either study
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: or work, and there was no way I was working
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: in jail, but I have the option to do. There
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: was a business diploma I did. It's very small, but
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: you know, it was something to get your mind rolling.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: And then I did a construction management degree. I got
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: into year three and then I realized, like, this is
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: kind of I'm kind of wasting my time here because
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: this is not what I want to be. I was
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: just studying for the sake of studying at one because
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to work for the jail. Really good
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: studying skills, but it wasn't I didn't want to come
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: out and be chippy anymore. I didn't want to.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Come out and be a builder anymore. I didn't. I
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: didn't want that, and I knew what I wanted to do.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: So it was cool.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Teach me how to study, teach me how to get resources.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Not that we could access Google or anything like that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: while you're in jail, but it taught me how, you know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: to read textbooks and not get brain dead.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Just out This is quite a disparate kind of direction.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: But do you have like I'm always telling people to study, right,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I'm always you know, not necessarily formal study, but what's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: your study protocol? Like how do you learn best? Do
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you write? Do you highlight shit in books because you
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: didn't have the internet, as you said, and then take
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: notes off that, or like how do you you just
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: finished excise science degree a while ago, how do you
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: learn in progressive?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: For me, it's been a progressive like that start as
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: when I started, I used to literally like we couldn't
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: get Google in there, like I said, We'd just get
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: all these textbooks and all these papers that our officer
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: would send it for us, and I would sit there
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: and write every single.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Page of it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: It would take me hours, and it was just it
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: was almost psychotic, the shit I was doing in there,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Like you'd come in and mysell the screws would come
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: into my cell in the morning, and I'd be sitting
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: there at five to thirty am and from five thirty
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: am scribbling on a piece of paper. I don't know
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: if any of that sticked, because I don't remember it anymore.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: But that's where I start.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: And then as you start to get a little bit better,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: I think it was kind of when I got out
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: of jail, to be honest, where I started getting a
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: little bit better.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: I started playing video games to study.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: There's a purpose made games on anatomy where I'd have
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: to like name the bones.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: And the muscles and stuff like that, and that was
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: really cool. That was awesome.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: And then I would watch YouTube videos and I would
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: write down what was good. I would do mind map,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I'll teach my kids, I'll teach my clients for me.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: When I got out of jail, it was really easy
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: to take my UNI stuff and then teach it to
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: my clients in a small like it obviously in a
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: bite sized version, and.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: That me was like learning.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Doing teaching was probably the most kind of like cemented.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Learning skill that I could do. Was just like, right, let's.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Learn this from UNI. Let's do it, and let's teach
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: you to our clients who we're doing it. And that
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: was kind of like on repeat. You know, someone would
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: ask me about, you know, how do we break down glucos,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I'll take take them in a small version.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: If someone teach me how.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Do we build muscle, and I've taken through a small version,
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: you know, and I'll just keep doing that. Then I'll
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: be passionate about it, Like I'm really passionate about so
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: that helps as well. Now my studying skills is I'll
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: actually watch a YouTube video, I'll copy and paste the
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: text from the YouTube video. I will put it into
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: chat ept and I'll say quiz me, although quiz me
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: thirty questions on this video interactive style, one question at
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: a time, and that makes me cement stuff like no other.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So how that that is such a that's such a
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: clever idea, and it's like so purpose built for you.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, it's great. It really works.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: And I do the same with text if I have
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: to read a research paper or I'm like, I'll read
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the research paper once.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Then I'll just bank it in and I'll be like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: quiz me thirty times. So it really helps. It really works.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: If anyone's listening out there that's in any sort of education,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: definitely works.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Give it a shot.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: This is a weird question, but what was the upside
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: of prison for you?
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: The upside of prison was time, the ability learning to reflect, meditate,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: and helping people in jail. I think I helped a
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: lot of people in jail come off methadone, all sorts
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: of drugs that you know, jail just feeds them. I
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: helped them with training and nutrition and purpose. You know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like I did. Anyway, I've seen people one
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: hundred and forty kilos on one hundred miles of methadone
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: or so, and I've seen them wean right off and
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: be six percent body fat, And that to me was
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: fucking amazing, Right, that was awesome.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have made you a reasonably sought after
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: resource in the prison system like that, did you? You
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: would have been recently plot pillar, wouldn't you.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Eventually I had Like when I got to C rating,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I just lodge as a four man lodge, four people
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: in the one joint.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? What does it say?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Man? Open jail, It's.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Less segregated, you get more activities to do, you can
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: go out to society and work. There's less restrictions. There's
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: knives and stuff in there, you know, so it's pretty open.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Visits are a lot longer. So I worked my way
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: up the SEA rating and when I got there as
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: a four man, so a four man lodge, and I
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: used to I've gotten to this.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Lodge and I would just like really pick and choose
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: who came.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Into my lodge, right, because you can get all sorts
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: of human beings in jail, unfortunately, and I would really
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: nail down who went into my lodge, so I used
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: to cut it. I used to get veggies because we
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: usually get ida spend there. I'd get all my veggies
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: and I'd cut all my veggies up into small pieces
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: and I'd put them into a crisper. So with ever,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: whenever I had chicken, i'd do veggies and chicken. Handful
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: of edges. Chicken had all be in my crisper and
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: the fridge. And I would always try to pick people
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: who weren't going to fucking be pigs. And people would
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: come to me and ask me, can I come your lodge.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: I want to lose weight coming to your lodge. I
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: want to build muscle. Can I coming to your lodge?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I want to do this?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: And I'd get some people that would come in and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: they just couldn't handle it, and it'd be a bit
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: of a because you know, you're trying to build something
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: here and some people were.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Just fucking pissing your pocket a little bit.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, how many how many not necessarily stabbing people, thankfully,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: but how many or how often did you get into
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: some kind of heated exchange in prison once a week,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: once a day, once a year, like where it could
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: have You know, there was a minor altercation, maybe.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Like once every couple of months. At the starter was
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: pretty close like I was in there four years. You
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: get pretty good at removing yourself from confrontation over time.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it was probably once every couple of months,
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Like I said, at the start, was probably once every
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: couple of weeks.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: And then I got better at it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: But again, it all boils down to like who you
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: hang around, Like obviously when you get to see you writing,
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: you a lesser round fuck it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, do you reckon that? Not that we'd
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: recommend anyone follow your path or go to prison, but
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: do you think that being in prison made like you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: have a big work ethic. You work a lot, and
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you work, you work a lot of hours, but also
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: what you do is intense because you are with you know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a bunch of clients all day and that is a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: very psychologically and emotionally and physically demanding job. It's not
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: like you're doing a job that doesn't require a lot
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: of intention or focus or commitment like to I as
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: much as anyone in the world. I understand how hard
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it is to train people all day, back to back,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: because with every person you've got to build connection and rapport,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and you've got to have great energy, and you've got
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: to make them feel like they're the only fucking client
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: you train today and all that stuff, right, I get it.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Did Like, because prison is hard, did that make what
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you do how easier?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I think so? I think so.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I think learning how to this all comes down to
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: speaking to people and being around people and getting people
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: to do what you want. Like, people in prison are
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: really good at getting what they want.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: They come into your like if they want a slice
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: of bread, right, they will come with what's going on, bray,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: how are your brother? Love your shoes?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Bro?
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: They do all the right communication things to get what
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: they want right, really good at it, right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I think learning how to be around people.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: And how to connect with people in jail and how
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: to you know, it's I think you do some medicognition
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: stuff as well, Is that right?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: I think kind of a little bit of that as
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: well goes a long way, and I think it has
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: definitely transferred into my personal training.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Tell us about your new place, so you're opening a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and this is a blatant plug everybody, So that down
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the hatches. So you're opening a commercial, you're getting out
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: of the garage. When are the doors opening on the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: new place?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Doors will be open on the sixteenth of December, that's right,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: just gonna soft open. Then. Yeah, I've opened, like I've
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: obviously started putting stuff in there. I've started training a
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: couple of clients out of there. I've got some squad
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: racks there. Obviously, just flash rain the other day, so
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: there was a massive waterfall happening, which was interesting. The
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: whole place got flooded, which really a lot different to
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: what I kind of what happens in the garage. There's
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of problems that I wasn't really ready for.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: So it's definitely been pulling me in all sorts of directions.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Just being good.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: It's a journey, right, So I'm just trying to embrace
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: the mountain, as you said to me once. I try
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: to just keep running up that mountain and see what
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: happens on the way. So it's been, it's been. It's
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: been fun.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Would you ever think about going back as a visitor
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to prison to I don't know every now and then
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: do some work with the guys.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, Yeah, I would.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: I would definitely do that. I think I think there's
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: a lot, a lot to be that can be done
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: in prison. I think people can get really really good
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: in prison whatever it is they want to do, if
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: they have the right mind. Like I said, like you
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: can either work or you can study. And you'll be
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: surprised how many people just want to work for six
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: dollars a day.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: It's just it's crazy.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: No one's studying in jail, and it's like it is
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: the perfect environment, besides not having the internet, to just
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: be able to like stop, apply yourself, get really fucking
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  Speaker 3: good at something for fucking as many hours as you want,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: as many days of the week, and just come out
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: of jail a fucking beast. But people choose not to
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: do that for now. Obviously, you know, three kids working,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: you know, eleven hours. It's like for me to sit
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: down and do my study in.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: The morning's fucking hard, you know, But I.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Could do that all day, Like you could imagine the
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: compound effect of that if you could do that every
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: single day for X.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Amount of years. I'm not saying go to jail and
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: stuff I can study.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying, if you are in jail or you
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: are facing jail, I think it's a definitely good time
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: to grab yourself some textbooks and what you want to
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: do and start getting to work.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Tell us about so apart from the you know, when
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I said to you before what stops people, and you
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: spoke about physiology and genetics and hormones, tell us about
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: the psychology from your perspective of like how you deal
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: with people, how you coach people, the way that you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: communicate with them, and you know, I was talking to
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: somebody yesterday about this and I basically said, you know,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: like most people who think they're training at a nine
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: out of ten are training at a four or five. Right,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Most people don't really And that's generalized, I know, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that's my experience, but most people don't train very hard,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: but they think they train very hard. And a lot
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of people want to train with you until they train
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: with you and then they're like, oh, this is too hard.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: You know, how do you how do you navigate the
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: psychological and emotional component of helping people change?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said before, it's definitely different with everyone,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: but it definitely starts with that building up that word
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: for yourself again and working with the client to try
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: and respect their word again, and then taking that one
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: step at a time and building that up to the training.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: As much as they like.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: People come in and they see a couple of videos
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, I want to fucking be.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: As ripped as that guy. I want to train six
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: days a week, and you see it.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: You see it heaps, and then out of nowhere, they're
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: training six days a week, but the last two weeks
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: and then they're back down in the gutters again and
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: they're thinking, fuck, this is too hard. I don't want
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: to do it. It's like because you just started at
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: the wrong capacity. So I definitely I'm a big, big,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: big believer in starting in starting small and slow, getting
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: yourself some sort of accountability, whether it's coach or friend
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: or whatever, and just slowly.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Working your way up.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: And I always do with everyone. I start them off
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: with you know, one two days a week. I get
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: results from one two days a week. You can get
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: results from two days a week. You've seen it, and.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Then work into three.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: You don't have to go straight out of nowhere and
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: never trained before, and then work trained five days a week.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: Most of people, it doesn't work in this not in
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: this stone age.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: And as you said, you know, most people who go
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: from zero to sixty don't maintain it. You know, it's like,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: not only do you not need to do five days
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: a week, the chances of you doing a whole lot
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: of training and maintaining that different if you build up
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: over time. But it's it's almost like you know those
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you know, those body transformation programs MATE where people start
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: on day one and they fucking they change fifty things. Now,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not drinking any booze. I'm not doing this. I'm running,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: I'm lifting, I'm taking all these supplements. I've had my food,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I've steamed this and roasted that and buck that. And
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: the whole time they're waiting for it to be over
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: because it's a finite period of time. And then they firstly,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: most people don't last the duration, but the ones that do,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like a long one is a twelve week
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: one and eighty four day one, and then on day
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: eighty five they're eating shit and sitting on the couch.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Gun I did that.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: So common it becomes more of a like, oh look
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: at me, look at your dad when he was, you know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: when he was thirty five.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I used to be that rip. I used to do this.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: You know, you're a mad example of staying in good
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: shape for your whole life. It's a it's a journey.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Everything is a journey. You just got to keep rolling.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Like so many people I know that have been on
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: these crazy they see these people online, they go, they
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: chuck them on sixteen fifteen hundred calories and they're you know,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: they're their maintenance is like two five hundred twenty eight hundred,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: and they're like over one thousand calories deficit, and they
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: do it for like eight months, and then they're so
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: depleted that they don't want to train. They don't want
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: to be in a deficit anymore. I get so many
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: clients coming from these online dudes that are putting people
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: on such load calories and they're just hormonally fucked.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're hormonally fucked. They're emotionally and mentally fucked because
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: they hate their life. And also their brain doesn't work
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: because they're not getting enough glucose and your brain runs
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: on glucose, and they're dehydrated and your brain and your
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: blood's ninety percent water or water.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like the thing about doing something
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: that's not maintainable is that it's not maintainable exactly. So
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: why the fuck?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I did this thing? Mate? It was about two or
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: three years ago at I had six hundred and seventy
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: people at Deacon University for an event, and I said,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: don't overthink this. The room holds six seventy. That's why
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I know how many people. I said, don't overthink this,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: but how many of you would like to be fitter, leaner, lighter,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: like indifferent shape? And nearly every handwinner, maybe six hundred
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: out of six seventy. And I said, now, what if
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: there was a program and I designed a program for
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you and it was ten weeks and it was one
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks, so it's ten dollars a week. And what
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: you got from me was, in this hypothetical you got
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: a multitude of different fitness programs, stretching programs, strength programs,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: you know, all graduated for different levels of fitness and
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: different ages, and you've got great recipes and some every
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: day there was a new inspirational video from me, and
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and so I kind of virtually coached
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: you for ten weeks and it's you know, it's one
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks. How many of you would be in? And
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: nearly every hand went up again? Right, And I said, okay,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: now here's option two. Option two, and you have to
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: be honest with me. Option two is the same as
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: option one, except it's free. But you can't stop once
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you start, but you have to keep doing it forever.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: How many of you are in? Hi fucking three people?
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Because everyone wants to be able to stop. Everyone wants
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: to get out of jail card.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: That's the problem.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: That's literally the problem. That's the problem. That's why I
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: say it slow something that you can sustain for the
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: rest of your life and find the energy in training.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Don't remove the energy from in training.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: You know, hey mate, I love chatting to you. You're
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: a ripper. We're going to stay in touch. We might
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: do another chat down the track. How do people find
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: you and connect with you? And yeah, let people know
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: how they can contact you if they want to be
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: if not now one day in the future connected with
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: you or get some advice or coaching. How does that happen?
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, so.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Iron Monk Fitness on Instagram or you can search me
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: up on Google, or you can just come down to
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: the new gym at nine to six Tunipean Highway and.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I'll be there.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be anywhere for a long time, so.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: He'll be there twenty six hours a day.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Everyone.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: He'll be the exhausted looking bloke in the corner. We'll
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: say goodbye, Affair, but well done. Nice debut, nice podcast debut,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk again soon.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Craig