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- 0:41The Ayah Welcome to this show, will continue to talk about the whether a
- 1:06Catholic can be loyal as a citizen of his nation while following the guidance of
- 1:11the Pope, which is obviously he can. We cannot agree to follow and
- 1:21help enforce or even fund immoral laws and policies. We have a duty.
- 1:29Like if the Nazi government tells you to come turn in your Jewish neighbor to
- 1:34have them killed, you can't do that as a Catholic. Or we cannot
- 1:40vote for abortion supporting American politicians, but we can certainly be Americans who are
- 1:51loyal to our country and will fight for our country in a war. Or
- 1:55English this person this question is English or Australians, or French or what have
- 1:59you? You know, as a person of at least one third French heritage,
- 2:08I would certainly say there have been times when I don't think a Catholic
- 2:13could have in any way supported, fought for, or even paid taxes to
- 2:17the government of France following the Revolution. But to the best we can,
- 2:23and to the ability we can, in so long as it does not violate
- 2:28our religious duties and morals, we have that obligation and duty you know,
- 2:36my favorite comedian of all time was Jackie Mason. Now Jackie Mason was hilarious,
- 2:43Jewish, very you know, heavy accent. He was actually his father
- 2:49was a rabbi, and he was supposed to be a rabbi and he ended
- 2:51up being a comedian. He talked so fast that I mean even Yankees have
- 2:54trouble understanding him, especially in the early years. He slowed down as he
- 2:59got a whole He was absolutely hilarious. But speaking of paying taxes, he
- 3:06said, the government didn't even seem to know who I was before I was
- 3:09successful. Now I made some money and they act like they're a partner.
- 3:13They want fifty percent. You did bupkus for me, Now you want fifty
- 3:15percent. This is like nineteen sixty eight, right. He's like, I'll
- 3:21tell you what. It's hard not to do the accent. You know,
- 3:24when you started thinking about him, he was so funny. He says,
- 3:28the budget in the United States is of one hundred billion dollars. This is
- 3:30like nineteen sixty eight, right. He's like, you're gonna spend a hundred
- 3:34bion dollars? Be a little short. Didn't come hit me up. Maybe
- 3:37I'll kick in twelve bucks or so. Yeah, it was just great.
- 3:40Have you ever had, like one of my favorite movies top five all time,
- 3:46The Jerk starring Steve Martin. Jackie Mason plays his boss at when he's
- 3:52working at the gas station, and it is such a good role. The
- 3:54man was just hilarious. He really was. He was a conservative, big
- 4:00Trump supporter, big Trump supporter before you know Trump was even popular. He
- 4:04was a big Trump supporter. And you know, May rest in peace.
- 4:09He's an American legend, just one of the funniest men of all time.
- 4:14And man that he hates Starbucks coffee. He said, why would she Why
- 4:17would you need coffee from Starbucks? It's point It's point coffee. You pay
- 4:21fifteen dollars for a couple of point coffee. You know, he was great.
- 4:28But of course I'll never forget that scene in The Jerk where the sniper's
- 4:32shooting at Steve Martin and he starts hitting the oil cans behind him, and
- 4:38Steve Martin turns to him and says, he hates these cans. And Steve
- 4:44Martin was funny. Literally one of my favorite movies of all time. I
- 4:47know I said that, but you know, okay, so I said,
- 4:51you know, my family's a third French. Well, they spent about that
- 4:56side of my family. He spent about one hundred years on the island of
- 4:58Guadaloupe. I am Creole at least, you know, one third, even
- 5:02though I was as white as a sheet rock wall. Okay, it's sort
- 5:05of a myth that Creoles are black. People think that outside of Southern Louisiana.
- 5:12Nobody in New Orleans and Southern Louisiana, et cetera, Shreveport. I
- 5:15don't care. Nobody in Louisiana thinks they're black. You have black Creoles,
- 5:18sure, but you also have white Creoles. And you have a lot of
- 5:23people in between that are called creole people of color or they just don't even
- 5:27bother to name themselves as a race. They're creole. That means people of
- 5:30partially French heritage usually mix you a little Spanish, maybe a little African,
- 5:35it depends, not always. Maybe a little of you know, the Native
- 5:40Caribbean peoples, not always. It depends. If your family comes from the
- 5:46creole culture, you are creole. In fact, Jelly Roll Morton, one
- 5:53of the well he claimed to have invented jazz. Okay, he was certainly
- 5:57one of the first three or four guys that played as he called himself creole.
- 6:02He was creole. He had dark skin, and he was actually very
- 6:06racially biased against black people. He hated black people. He wouldn't play music
- 6:11with black people. And for some reason, like you watch Ken Burns jazz
- 6:16or like anything on PBS and they call him black. He would have literally
- 6:21punched him in the face for that. I mean, I don't have any
- 6:24racial bias, but he did. He was creole. He was not black.
- 6:27Okay, so you have to understand that creole does not necessarily mean any
- 6:36shade of the color of your skin. It really has more to do with
- 6:41just your heritage and how you cook. Well. But you can understand me
- 6:45being as white as Steve Martin essentially and playing the banjo. Okay, I
- 6:49don't have he I mean, he had like white gray hair from his twenties
- 6:54on. I mean, my hair is brown, but you know I'm not
- 6:57quite as colorless as he is. If you've ever seen The Jerk, you
- 7:01can understand why I love this movie. Okay, So he was like in
- 7:05an orphan He's raised by a black family in Mississippi, right, he for
- 7:12all intents and purposes, thinks he's black even though he's as white as can
- 7:15be. And it's totally politically incorrect, and in the year tween twenty four.
- 7:18But I mean, this was the movie down in the seventies and it's
- 7:20hilarious and if you haven't seen it, you got to watch it. It's
- 7:25an absolute classic. He starts out like he's you start the movie at the
- 7:30end, right, He's gonna start telling you his story. He's born in
- 7:32humble beginnings on a little farm in rural Mississippi, raised in a black family
- 7:39of sharecroppers, you know, and becomes a millionaire and then loses everything.
- 7:43And so he's on the streets and he's drinking, you know, cheap wine,
- 7:46and he says, oh, hello, you want to hear my story?
- 7:54I was born a poor black child in rural Mississippi, you know.
- 7:58I mean, it's just it's so absurd because he's like the non blackish person
- 8:03there is on the phase of the earth. I mean, the only thing
- 8:07more absurd than that, would, of course, be Joe Biden saying,
- 8:11if you don't blow and vote for me, you ain't black. Right.
- 8:13I am amazed a black person did not do him severe physical harm for that
- 8:22about the I mean, wow, you talk about a racist statement, but
- 8:28if you can handle a little non PC you know, slightly racial humor,
- 8:31like you know, Red Fox used to doing San frum Son, the funniest
- 8:35show ever on television. And you haven't seen the jerk, Shame on you.
- 8:39You got to watch jerk. Bernadette Peters was hilarious. What was her
- 8:46name, Jamie Lee Curtis is in there never have been a fan of hers.
- 8:50Actually didn't like her father at all. Man, I could not stand
- 8:54Tony Curtis. I hated the odd couple. I mean there's there's a phrase
- 8:58like you say someone's a bad actor. That's one thing, and then you
- 9:01say they're not believable as a human being. That's kind of where I put
- 9:05him. But no, she was. She was really cute, but not
- 9:09a very good not a person I ever liked as a character. I mean,
- 9:13she made me a very nice person the characters she played I never I
- 9:18never liked her movies. I'll just put it that way. I don't know
- 9:20anything about her personally. Whether she's you know, a good person, a
- 9:24bad person, moral or whatever. I don't know. So I'm not making
- 9:28a value judgment. But Jackie Mason and Steve Martin absolutely hilarious. I mean,
- 9:39what would I say the best comedy movies of the seventies and eighties,
- 9:41that's gonna be when I'm you know, absolutely blazing Saddles, Caddy Shack,
- 9:46Naked Gun. Airplane, Oh, you can't beat Airplane. Now, you
- 9:50talked about some good non PC humor Airplane, Young Frankenstein, Young Frankenstein.
- 9:56You know, however you want to pronounce it, love that stuff. That's
- 10:00and Steve Martin did so many good ones. Oh wow, Mamma two Brains.
- 10:05That was so good him and Lily Tomlin and you actually get him to
- 10:11see him play jazz guitar one of the I mean, he's a great musician.
- 10:15He's really a fantastic musician. And you know, he did some really
- 10:20funny movies. No, that was all of me. I'm sorry, that
- 10:22wasn't Mamma two brains. Mamma two brains. Wasn't that funny? All of
- 10:26me? Yeah, with Lily tom When that was fantastic. Definitely one of
- 10:30my favorites. The National Lampoon movies with Chevy Chase and Beverly Dangelo. There's
- 10:35so many just really funny movies. The Blues Brothers. You know, The
- 10:41Blues Brothers has actually been named by the Vatican his official Catholic movie. You
- 10:46know, the Pope's got a sense of humor. I'll at least poke John
- 10:50on the second. Did Pope Francis Maybe? Who knows? I have no
- 10:54idea, but yeah, I can't see Pope Benedict cracking up over The Blues
- 11:00Brothers. I don't think he would have understood any of it. But John
- 11:01Paul Second loved American music and would have I'm sure really did enjoy that movie,
- 11:09even though it is a little off color in some places. But uh
- 11:11yeah, amazing that that's an actual, like official Catholic movie. I love
- 11:18it, love it. Love the Blues Brothers. Of course, I grew
- 11:20up on that music. You know. My mom was in Motown. My
- 11:22uncle was an early rock and roll and soul DJ. He was actually friends
- 11:28with James Brown and Isaac Hayes and people like that, you know. So,
- 11:33I mean I grew up on on soul music, on Stack's Vault,
- 11:37on muscle shoals, on Oh Chess and Checker. I mean I got I
- 11:43got a stack of Muddy Waters and Holland Wolf Records, and I mean,
- 11:46you know, Otis Redding was like my hero as a kid. I'm not
- 11:50kidding. And of course, you know, I grew up watching Eddie Murphy
- 11:54on TV, you know, early year Sarah Live, and I learned to
- 11:58do the James Brown shuffle and all that kind of a mess he used to
- 12:01do. So I was a kid, Yeah, I wanted to play guitar
- 12:03at very well. I was in my teens. I mean a lot of
- 12:07people are instruments a lot earlier than I did. But I really got heavy
- 12:11the blues a lot younger than most people do it. I learned thanks to
- 12:13Doc Watson, a legendary bluegrass musician. He had friends, He loved blues,
- 12:18and he had friends among you know, all genres of blues players,
- 12:24mostly old black folk. Edda Baker was a big influence Lightning wells oh.
- 12:31He was a great friends with Mississippi John Hurt and Saint Terry and Brinnie McGee.
- 12:35Miss sipp John Hurt's probably my biggest influence actually, But yeah, I
- 12:39mean I played Delda blues, I played jump blues, I played Chicago blues.
- 12:43I played every kind of blues you can imagine. To the point that
- 12:46was known as that funky white boy, you know. And I was like
- 12:48fifteen sixteen, eighteen years old. I had long hair and I played guitar,
- 12:52and they called me that funky white boy. So I wasn't trust me.
- 12:58I have fewer racial is then, Jilly row Morton. That's that's for
- 13:05sure, all right. So let's get into this, all right. So
- 13:07the English stir the Englisher, as we say in North Carolina, the Englishman,
- 13:13and that is North Carolina slang. It comes from Andy Griffith, shop
- 13:18does not believe a Catholic can be a loyal English citizen, right, So
- 13:22he says, if you are not satisfied with the king, why do you
- 13:28accept him as your protector? Why not get out? Why continue to accept
- 13:35his hospitality? Isn't that amazing? I mean they actually think that people live
- 13:39in England or in English territories due to the hospitality of the King. I
- 13:46mean, Dad, just you know that blows my mind. I mean,
- 13:52trust me, my ancestors did not think that. When they fought in the
- 13:56American Revolution in the War of eighteen twelve, they wanted to get them the
- 13:58heck out of the country. They didn't think they were here due to his
- 14:01hospitality, you know, being predominantly Irish, we don't really go in for
- 14:09that very much. So he says, the priest answers, I am quite
- 14:13satisfied with the King and wish to hear nothing to his discredit. I do
- 14:18not accept his hospitality. A child does not accept the hospitality of his own
- 14:22parents. I was born a British subject. I do my duty, the
- 14:26king does his. I admit that he is the head of the Anglican Church,
- 14:30although I deny that he is the head of the True Church of Christ.
- 14:33The question of the relative merits of the Anglican and the Catholic Church has
- 14:37nothing to do with national status and loyalty. Very well, said person says,
- 14:41you could not say these things in other countries. The answer, in
- 14:46other countries, I would not have to deny that the temporal ruler was the
- 14:50head of the church. That anominally seems peculiar to the peculiar to the British
- 14:54Empire. Of course, it is no fault to our present in good king.
- 15:00They did have a pretty good king in the nineteen thirties. You know,
- 15:03the royal family. I don't really recognize the House of Windsor my ancestors
- 15:11having come from the House of Wessex. My ancestors were the Catholic Kings of
- 15:16England. These are the Protestant Kings of England, which I don't believe are
- 15:20legitimate at all. But as far as the integrity of say, you know,
- 15:26Queen Elizabeth and her mother and her father, I mean, they were
- 15:30pretty dark good I mean as monarchs got I mean, not perfect by any
- 15:33means, and they're still anti Catholic and treated the Irish horribly. But as
- 15:39far as doing I think what they thought was in the best interest for their
- 15:41country, I think they did. Okay. Now her children, King Charles
- 15:48and what Andrew, I mean the yep, hey, their documents coming out
- 15:52from Epstein's Island. I don't think it's going to look real good for them,
- 15:56let's just put it that way. Wow. Absolutely Anyway, the priests
- 16:04of course had just said that it was no fault of the king, and
- 16:08he actually said I think he must feel very uncomfortable about it at times.
- 16:12So he was being very charitable for the king, and like I said,
- 16:17among the kings of England, he was not a bad one in modern times.
- 16:21The guy goes on tell us. Plainly do you put church first in
- 16:25country second? And I'm going to tell you, as a loyal American citizen,
- 16:27you better sure as hell put the church first and country second. God
- 16:32does not need America, American needs God. Anything the United States does that
- 16:37is in contra is in violation of the moral teachings and the doctrine of Christ
- 16:45and his Holy Catholic Church is by definition evil, and we have every duty
- 16:52to fight it. Not just the right under our constitution that my ancestors helped
- 16:56write. Okay, yeah, we put God first in country second. We
- 17:00actually put God first, family second, in country third. Third, Why
- 17:07did my ancestors fight in the Civil War. Well, they didn't have slaves.
- 17:12They were minding their own business, and suddenly Union troops came in started
- 17:15burning their field, shooting their family members and burning their houses and raping their
- 17:19daughters. We put God first, then family, and then country. And
- 17:30that's why I'm sorry. I don't need slavery aside. Slavery was not an
- 17:34issue that started the Civil War. It was a sub issue. Okay,
- 17:40we'll get into that another day. But Abraham Lincoln was not a fan of
- 17:42black folk, Okay, not until much later in his life when he started
- 17:48justifying his actions. Then he started you know, yeah, he opposed slavery.
- 17:53I'm not saying he didn't oppose slavery, but he said he would absolutely
- 17:57preserve slavery if it meant he could save the Union. By his own words,
- 18:03slavery was not the primary issue. Okay, I am opposed to slavery.
- 18:07My ancestors were opposed to slavery, except for, of course, Charles
- 18:10Carroll, the signer of the Decoration of Independence, one of our founding fathers,
- 18:15the largest slaveholder owner in the entire United States, and the richest man
- 18:18in America, was the Catholic who funded the American Revolution. Trust me,
- 18:25he was not have appreciated Abraham Lincoln, my ancestor who founded this country,
- 18:30would have had a Abraham Lincoln hanged. Okay, I got major qualms against
- 18:37any president who will not sit down at the negotiating table and work out a
- 18:41deal and instead will send his army to go slaughter American citizens didn't appreciate it
- 18:45when Clinton did it with you know, Ruby Ridge or the branch Davidiants.
- 18:52Sure there are a bunch of coultest nuts. Still they had the right to
- 18:55be coultest nuts. You can't go knock your house down with tanks and send
- 18:59them on fire. That's not what my ancestors intended. That is what Abraham
- 19:04Lincoln did. Okay. He was a horrible evil man, not a hero.
- 19:11Sure he had his good points and bad but he led to the slaughter
- 19:15of over two hundred thousand American citizens, and a lot of them A lot
- 19:22of those American citizens were free blacks, free black people in the South who
- 19:26fought for the Confederacy. We have whole divisions of the sons of Confederate veterans
- 19:30that were black. The first slave of the first man in America to sell
- 19:37an African slave was a black man. He was a black free man who
- 19:41owned slaves and he sold them to another person. I can't remember his name
- 19:45right now, but the bill of sale is in the you know, the
- 19:48archives of the Library of Congress. You could see it. It's not the
- 19:53South and the Civil War is not a racial issue. It's a state's right
- 20:00issue. It really came down to a lot, a big, big part
- 20:03of it. And if you had to do with territory and had to do
- 20:07with gold, it had to do with a lot of things. But if
- 20:11I'm not mistaken, I may have the date wrong. I know there was
- 20:14a system of canals being built. I believe it was the Erie Canal.
- 20:18And basically the North England states that were going to benefit from the Erie Canal
- 20:23wanted the federal government to pay for it, and the federal government went essentially
- 20:26wanted the South to pay for it, and this owl said we're not paying
- 20:30for a new England canal. That was a start. I mean, it's
- 20:33a little obscure now, but and of course it also had to do with
- 20:37territories as things expanded west, and there were abolitionists. There were abolitionists on
- 20:41both sides. Robert E. Lee was an abolitionist. He was far more
- 20:47opposed to slavery than Ulysses s Grant. Okay, Sherman was a demon possessed
- 20:52man. He was just his own troops thought he was demon possessed. He
- 20:57slaughtered innocent men, women in shore for fun. Yeah. Anyway, the
- 21:07South was right in the Civil War. And if that offends you, I'm
- 21:10sorry, go read your history and don't read a history written by the victors.
- 21:15As they say, the victors always write the history. Read contemporary authors
- 21:18at the time actually read what Abraham Lincoln wrote when he said things like the
- 21:23negro and the white man can never live together in peace unless the negro is
- 21:27subject to the white man. Is that what you learned in high school?
- 21:33I didn't. I didn't, and I grew up in the South. He
- 21:38was really he thought black people were inferior. You know, James Monroe wanted
- 21:45to ship them all back to Africa. There were it's not this like this,
- 21:52this this idea that like, oh, you know, the North was
- 22:00anti slavery, in the South was pro slavery. Not true. There were
- 22:03people on both sides that felt different ways. Tons of Quakers and such in
- 22:07the South were very much against slavery. New York City actually sided with the
- 22:11Confederacy and rioted. Did people in New York City wanted to keep their slaves.
- 22:17Actually, Lincoln declared that all Union officers could keep their slaves. He
- 22:23never made that much of a pretense that the war had anything to do with
- 22:27slavery, except that the lead up to it to get some moral support behind
- 22:33it from the Quakers and such. And then when he signed the Emancipation Proclamation,
- 22:37and he did that in hopes that the slaves in the South and the
- 22:41free blacks in the South would turn against the South. They didn't. Some
- 22:47of them walked off and left. Yeah, but a lot of them just
- 22:51wanted to go back to their normal lives. And like I said, a
- 22:55whole lot of them actually fought for the Confederacy. So what you've been taught
- 22:59in school is like the most ridiculous, actually bigoted myth because it's bigoting against
- 23:04Southern people, the people who stood up and fought for the independence and what
- 23:10the Declaration of Independence actually said that the federal government should be limited and the
- 23:17states should make their own rules. And they, you know, the South
- 23:21didn't want the North taking all its wealth. The money was in the South
- 23:25and the people in the in the North. And you know, I'm sorry,
- 23:27I know you're gonna hate me for saying this. A lot of you
- 23:30will, because I mean, I know, even really good people like Rush
- 23:33Limbaugh and Steve Bannon just like thought Abraham Lincoln was fantastic. Mark Levin thinks
- 23:37he's on the moon. I'm telling you he was a mentally unstable and he
- 23:42admitted that he suffered from manic depression. He was a mentally unstable, very
- 23:48likely homosexual. Yeah, that's a little controversial, isn't it. But let's
- 23:52actually look at his life. Who did he marry an older woman? How
- 23:57many children did he have? Okay, I'm just saying, very likely homosexual,
- 24:03bloodthirsty, genocidal dictator. I mean he was eloquent, he was like
- 24:08Barack Obama and his eloquence. But he was a horrible man who used the
- 24:14words of God to justify murder. I mean not. No, I do
- 24:21not celebrate anything having to do with Abraham Lincoln, not saying everybody in the
- 24:25South was great. I mean, you know, what was his name,
- 24:29John C. Calhoun, great orator? Not a good man, No,
- 24:33I mean, you know he was right over there in Clemson, South Carolina.
- 24:37I mean he was. He literally believed in the cause of slavery.
- 24:41I don't. My ancestors didn't. Not. By the time they were in
- 24:44North Carolina, you know, they were not on that side. They fought
- 24:51for the Confederacy, like I said, because they were being invaded and killed
- 24:56by the North. In fact, my great great great great grandfather was captured
- 25:03at Fort Fisher. You know, when the South seceded from the from the
- 25:06Union, a not a shot was fired. It was a peaceful transfer of
- 25:11power that was in South Carolina, and suddenly the army started marching. So
- 25:18my great great great grandfather goes to fight at Fort Fisher. He was captured
- 25:22and contracted dysentery on board ship to a prison camp in Elmira. And this
- 25:29is you know how much the North followed the laws of war. He contracted
- 25:37dysentery and they threw him overboard to drowned alive. We know that because his
- 25:41cousin was taken to Elmira and forced to stand naked in four feet of snow
- 25:45until his limbs froze and he died of gangreen. This is the moral good
- 25:52on the side of the people North. They were not. They were not,
- 25:59and the North would not have won without hiring mercenaries, many a lot
- 26:04of Germans, the Hessians and such. And there's a famous line this German
- 26:11officer has captured one of the grandson of one of the signers a Declaration of
- 26:17Independence, and he said, why are you rebels fighting the good noble United
- 26:22States of America. And he looks at and says, because y'all are down
- 26:25here. My ancestors signed the Declaration of Independence under the understanding that if they
- 26:33no longer wanted to be part of America, they could leave it, just
- 26:36as they had just seceded from England. If Lincoln had just let people follow
- 26:41the Decoration of Independence and leave when they found it was you know, when
- 26:45in the course of human events, you know, you know how the decoration
- 26:48begins, you have to dissolve the bands that tie you together. Two hundred
- 26:53thousand lives could be saved. Slavery would have ended within fifty years because of
- 26:59technology, the steam Ini Injine was being built, et cetera. Nothing he
- 27:04did can be justified. And he slaughtered a lot of Cherokee and sue and
- 27:11I mean he he hated Indians, Okay, I mean he he may have
- 27:18once he got God, became friends with Douglas. He may have found some
- 27:22respect for some black men, but he hated Indians. Okay, he was
- 27:27not who you think he is if you were taught in the American public school.
- 27:33Anyway, back to the book, Well, Randa wandered off a tangent,
- 27:38there, didn't I But anyway, there were a lot of Catholics that
- 27:41fought for the Confederacy, a lot, and probably say many of them were
- 27:47my ancestors. They were wiped out afterwards pretty much by the Klan, which
- 27:52was a part of the Masonic Order of which Abraham Lincoln was an officer.
- 27:57He was a very high ranking Mason, and he hated Catholics. By the
- 28:02way. He especially wanted to punish Louisiana because it was a Catholic state.
- 28:07He sent down there generally called spoons because he stole everybody silverware. I mean,
- 28:11he was a really bad guy, a really really bad guy, and
- 28:18as anti Catholic as they come anyway, to the best of my knowledge,
- 28:22I don't want to say something it's not true, but that's to the best
- 28:25of my knowledge. Ah. The person says, tell us plainly, do
- 28:32you put church first? In country second? And they said, if there
- 28:36be a conflict between the two interests, I put church first. God comes
- 28:40before Caesar. The Church, as the kingdom of God, is more important
- 28:45than any earthly kingdom. No country has rights against God. And in our
- 28:51own case, if there be a question of soul and body, the soul
- 28:55was more important, and the body must give way to its interests. It
- 28:59is better to die keeping God's law than too live breaking them. If a
- 29:03man is faithful to God and to his conscience, and there is some hope
- 29:07of his being faithful to If a man is faithful to God into his conscious,
- 29:11there's some hope of his being faithful to lesser duties. But if a
- 29:15man will not be faithful to God, how can a thing so much less
- 29:19than God, as one's country expect him to be faithful to it? Think
- 29:23it over and let's see, oh, two more short questions. The guy
- 29:32says, I see the Catholic viewpoint, but a far greater difficulty. The
- 29:34difficulty arises from me concerning your church in so far she claims within her spiritual
- 29:41fears to be infallible, and they have to just answer. She makes that
- 29:47claim under certain conditions, and the person says, this is their most remarkable
- 29:51claim, and they answer it is. But then the Catholic Church is very
- 29:55remarkable. She was not founded on Martin Luther, or by Henry the or
- 30:00John Knox, but by Jesus Christ, who guaranteed her as his official representative
- 30:06in this world. Yet, although the Catholic Church is a remarkable church,
- 30:10it is not really remarkable that Christ should have kept his promise to her.
- 30:14All right, we will wrap it up there with radio replies and we'll get
- 30:18on too, the exhaustive Catechism of the Catholic Church, and we're going to
- 30:22talk about the veneration of images of the Saints and Father. Sprago tells us
- 30:30the veneration of sacred pictures and images is as old as Christianity itself, and
- 30:34the Catacomb's representations are found of Christ, the Mother of God with the Divine
- 30:38Child, and of biblical scenes from the Old or New Testament, calculated to
- 30:44strengthen the Christians in times of persecution by reminding them of God's omnipotence and a
- 30:48future resurrection, of a future resurrection. With the spread of Christianity, the
- 30:53veneration paid to images increased. Pictures, statues, and crosses were not seen
- 30:59in the churches alone, but in the marketplace and highways. In the eighth
- 31:03century, the Emperor of the East prohibited the veneration of images. This is
- 31:08the Orthodox is when this split began. Now, the Orthodox are the biggest
- 31:12proponents of images of the saints. They do more iconography than ever anybody.
- 31:18Really. The figures of saints were broken to pieces or burned, and paintings
- 31:22on the walls of churches were whitewashed over and any persons who persisted in venerating
- 31:26images were punished. This was called the iconoclastic movement, and that comes from
- 31:32the Orthodox Church. I mean, people don't know that the veneration of images
- 31:37answers our need, a need of our human nature. We respect the portraits
- 31:42of those whom we love or esteem. Moreover, it is the will of
- 31:45God that man who lost true happiness for the sake of material things should regain
- 31:51it by means of material things. That's an interesting concept, huh. The
- 31:55Jews were strictly forbidden to make images or to bow down to them Exodus twenty
- 32:00verse four, because they had a strong propensity toward idolatry, and the Son
- 32:05of God had not then become man. In spite of this prohibition, there
- 32:08were two golden cherub him, one on each side of the propitiatory of the
- 32:14Holy of Holies. We basically talk of the art of the Covenant right Exodus
- 32:19twenty five eighteen, and we read of the brazen serpent in the wilderness,
- 32:22the brass serpent, whereupon the Israelites were commanded to look that they might be
- 32:27healed Numbers twenty one eight by aid of sacred pictures or statues. In other
- 32:31words, God actually commanded them to make images, okay, and to iterate
- 32:37them by Sacred pictures or statues are meant representations of Christ, or the saints,
- 32:44or the truths of religion. The manner in which our Lord has ordinarily
- 32:47depicted is familiar to us all the expression of his countenance. His grave is
- 32:53grave and benign. His eyes are blues. Here is a ruddy brown curling
- 32:57and parted in the middle. His beard is short. Of course, we
- 33:00have many other images. Now they're a little different, depending on your culture,
- 33:02doesn't really matter, and a burning heart is often placed upon his breast.
- 33:08The Mother of God is represented in various ways as the help of Christians.
- 33:12She holds the Divine Child in her arms, as mother of dolars or
- 33:16sorrows. The dead Christ has laid across her knees, as our Lady of
- 33:21the Immaculate Conception. She is as she appeared at Lords in a white robe
- 33:24without her infant son, as Queen of Heaven, as noted in Revelations twelve
- 33:30to one, with her head encircled with twelve stars in the moon beneath her
- 33:35feet. The most celebrated and well known pictures of the Mother of God are
- 33:38one. The painting of the Church of Santa Maria magic I can't pronounce it
- 33:45m a gg io r e in rum, supposed to be the work of
- 33:50Saint Luke. Yes, Saint Luke actually probably painted the first picture of the
- 33:53Blessed very Virgin Mary that early Christians venerated to the Madonna of d Sansisto,
- 34:01painted by Raphael three. The Miraculous Picture of Our Lady a Perpetual Sucker,
- 34:06painted on wood and dating to the thirteenth century in the Church of Sa Alfonsis
- 34:10and Rome. The representation of the saints are easily recognized. They have a
- 34:15nimbus around their head sly, a halo right, and are accompanied by emblems
- 34:20either of their office or their special virtue that distinguished them, or by the
- 34:24instruments wherewith they suffered martyrdom. The four Evangelists are known by their symbols.
- 34:29Saint Matthew has an angel in human shape beside him because the Gospel begins with
- 34:32the general genealogy of Our Lord. Saint Mark is a lion because he speaks
- 34:37in the opening chapter of a voice crying in the wilderness. Saint Luke is
- 34:43accompanied by an ox because he begins with Zacharia's sacrifice, Saint John by an
- 34:47eagle, because his Gospel begins with sublime and lofty truths. We also call
- 34:52those sacred pictures which portray some great truths, such as the doctrine of the
- 34:57Holy Trinity, or purgatory, or some event recorded in Holy Scripture. The
- 35:01three divine persons are presented in the form they have assumed when appearing to men.
- 35:07But all delineations of the Godhead do no more than give an idea of
- 35:10certain attributes or actions of the Deity, for it is not within the power
- 35:15of man to make an image of God. Pictures or statues of saints by
- 35:20means of which or before which miracles have been worked are called miraculous images.
- 35:23There are a great many places of pilgrimage on the continent of Europe where an
- 35:28image of Our Lady is to be seen by means of extraordinary favors and graces
- 35:32have been or are obtained. Among these is Einsildine in Switzerland, Alotting and
- 35:38Bavaria, Kevalier and Rhineland, and others may be mentioned. It is also
- 35:45well known that many cures have been affected through devotion to the Infant Jesus of
- 35:49Prague. A wax statue in the Church of the Carmelites is in that city.
- 35:52Especially at the time of the pestilence. In seventeen thirteen, the Empress
- 35:57Maria Teresa had a great veneration for that image. She worked a rogue for
- 36:01it with her own hands, richly embroidered with gold. Many of the miraculous
- 36:07images have been preserved from destruction in a marvelous manner. They have, for
- 36:10instance, been in the fire without being burned. Many signal cures have been
- 36:15wrought in a moment in answer to prayers offered before them. Such miracles are
- 36:20permitted by God as an attestation to the truth of the Catholic Church, and
- 36:24it would be a sin on the part of any Catholic to deny their authenticity.
- 36:29A strict investigation is made of these miracles by the Holy See, and
- 36:31then the statue of the Saint is crowned above all representations of saints or holy
- 36:37things. We venerate the cross of our Redeemer. There ought not to be
- 36:42a single church, or altar or cemetery without a crucifix. Such is the
- 36:46honor in which the Church holds the Christ. The Cross of Christ. That
- 36:51she allows no sacrament to be administered, no Master to be celebrated, no
- 36:55act of divine worship to be performed, unless in the present of a crucifix.
- 37:00That's Christ on the cross. That's not just an empty cross. By
- 37:05the way, the cross is in the hands of the dying Christian when he
- 37:07draws his last breath, and it accompanies him to the Great The sacred symbol
- 37:14ought to be found in every Christian household. It does not speak well for
- 37:17the inhabitants of a house if none but secular pictures adorn its walls. We
- 37:22honor the image of the saints by giving them a place in our dwellings.
- 37:25We say prayers before then we salute them respectfully. We adorn them with offerings,
- 37:30We make pilgrimage pilgrimages to their shrines. The reverence we pay to the
- 37:36image of a saint is not paid to the picture of the image itself,
- 37:38but to the individual it represents, that is, to Christ or to one
- 37:43of the saints. When we adore the cross, we adore him who died
- 37:46thereon. By showing respect to the portrait of a king, we testify our
- 37:51respect to the monarch and disrespect manifested to his portrait is a personal affront to
- 37:55him. When the book of the Gospels is kissed, is the word of
- 37:59God therein contained that is venerated. When we kiss our parents or our children,
- 38:05we express love and fondness of our hearts, And in venerating images we
- 38:09express our love for the person they represent. And when instances burned or tapers
- 38:15lighted before images, it is a symbol of the light of the Holy Ghost
- 38:19and the virtues wherewith the saints were in doubt. It is not from the
- 38:22images themselves that we ask help. It is from God through the intercession of
- 38:27the saints. But none, none but the heathen imagine that there is any
- 38:31virtue or supernatural power in an image itself. Moses did not think that his
- 38:37staff work miracles, but God, who powerfully assisted him. Through venerating the
- 38:42images of the saints, efficacious and oftentimes supernatural graces are obtained. They are
- 38:46also useful as a means of avoiding distraction in prayer and affording us a silent
- 38:52admonition. Saint John Demassin says that the Holy Spirit surrounds the images of saints
- 38:59with a certain halo grace. Wherever the cross has erected, the malicious designs
- 39:02of the evil one are defeated. How often a soul sunk con sin has
- 39:07been touched and comforted by the sight of an image. How often have pictures
- 39:10comforted and encouraged devout persons, especially at the moment of their death, While
- 39:15gazing upon an image, we pray with greater recollection. Images are steps whereby
- 39:20we ascend more easily in spirit to heaven, And as one's prayers when offered
- 39:24at the shrine of some saint or more fervent, so they are more readily
- 39:29granted. The ex votos hung beside the image testified to the efficacy of the
- 39:35saint's intercession. They are also a constant admonition to us, either by placing
- 39:40vividly before us one of the truths of the religion, or exhorting us to
- 39:45imitate the example of the saint. The work of the artist does, indeed
- 39:47often prove more influential than the words of the preacher, For the impressions we
- 39:52receive through the ear have less effective on the mind than those which we receive
- 39:57through the eye. Saint Gregory the Great caused pictures the books of the unlearned
- 40:01in the Middle Ages, before there were any printed books, pictures were widely
- 40:06disseminated among people from the time we date the crib. From those times,
- 40:13we date the crib, the sepulture, the stations of the Cross, etc.
- 40:16In other words, let me spell this out for all the Protestants that
- 40:22are freaking out right now. Okay, we do not worship statues, We
- 40:29do not worship pictures. We venerate the saints, as we talked about yesterday.
- 40:34We give them honor. We do not adore them as we do God
- 40:37alone. We honor them, and when we look at a picture or a
- 40:42statue of a saint, we remember who they are, their virtues, their
- 40:45admonitions, and we ask them to pray for us. And that's it.
- 40:49That's it. They are actually very good things that have been used at the
- 40:53very beginning of Christianity by the earliest Christians, at least one of whom was
- 40:58one of the Apostles. More than likely they were used from even before the
- 41:06Resurrection, because we know that Jesus taught to his apostles a respect for Saint
- 41:12Joseph, who had passed on the earliest prayer to the saints is a prayer
- 41:16to Saint Joseph. The second earliest is a prayer to the blessed Virgin Mary.
- 41:22We don't worship statues. Statues and pictures are actually really good for us
- 41:29for our religious devotion for a variety of reasons. And before about two hundred
- 41:35years ago three at the most, most Christians were illiterate, whether in England,
- 41:40in America, in Italy or Germany, or China, or you name
- 41:45it right, Turkey, Northern Africa, just keep going to the list,
- 41:50they were illiterate. Universal literacy is a very new thing, okay, even
- 41:57you know, protests say that Martin Luther said everyone should read the Bible.
- 42:00That's fine, everyone should read the Bible. Everyone couldn't read the Bible.
- 42:05He deluded a lot of people because he said there was a lot of stuff
- 42:07the Bible said that it didn't okay, he changed the words of Jesus.
- 42:12He can only do that because he was preaching to an illiterate audience. What
- 42:15they could understand was the Bible, stories portrayed and stained glass windows, paintings,
- 42:23statues. It's literally just the physical representation of the Word of God in
- 42:30that case, or it's a picture of a saint whose great virtues we should
- 42:36imitate, okay, and Christians have been doing it since you know, trust
- 42:43me, long before any Protestant ever had any i clue of coming up to
- 42:50a conclusion that one shouldn't. Or the head of the Orthodox Church in Greece
- 42:57who soon gave way to a Muslim kalib who ran the Orthodox Church for quite
- 43:02a while, and they lost quite a bit in terms of their original depositive
- 43:08faith. So we'll take it from there. We pray for the reunification of
- 43:15the Orthodox Church. A lot of it has to do with politics, especially
- 43:20the Russian Orthodox Church, which is essentially a state church. But really they
- 43:28were kind of off and on in communion until the Muslims kind of took him
- 43:30over for a while, and then we really haven't been able to agree in
- 43:35a lot since then. But we sure agree on iconography. I mean,
- 43:39they totally turned against their belief of destroying images. They make more statues and
- 43:45paintings and wood carvings, beautiful stuff. It's one of the best things they
- 43:50do. And as Catholics, I mean I'm a wood carver, I think
- 43:52we should really get into making icons without a doubt, we should imitate the
- 43:59Orthodox in that on that one. These days now they have it right.
- 44:02A few centuries ago they were really really, really wrong and destroyed a lot
- 44:07of the most beautiful historical artifacts of our faith. But they came around.
- 44:15So there's hope for everybody. And you know, I'm sure there are gonna
- 44:17be people that listen to show and think I am just absolutely wrong. I
- 44:22mean, just just an absolute against you know, the Ten Commandments for saying
- 44:27it's good to venerate statues and to honor our saints and our Lord through them.
- 44:34And there's gonna be a lot of you got really mad about me about
- 44:36what I said about Abraham Lincoln. So you know, it's it's gonna be
- 44:39fourth of July next week, and you know, maybe you go up to
- 44:43DC and you go to the Lincoln Monument and you're gonna stand before this big
- 44:49statue of Abraham Lincoln and in your mind you're gonna think about what a great
- 44:53man he was. Hey, guess what you just did. You just venerated
- 44:59a staff And in the words of Saint Padre Pierre, pray, hope and
- 45:05don't worry. I'll talk to you next time.