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S7, Ep 66: Tales of a Fly Fishing Legend: Remembering Dave Whitlock - The Articulate Fly · The Long Haul with The Articulate Fly

• 0:04
  Hey
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  folks,
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  it's
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  Marvin
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  Cash,
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  the
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  host
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  of
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  the
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  Articulate
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  Fly.
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  On
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  this
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  episode,
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  I'm
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  joined
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  by
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  Henry
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  Cowen
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  and
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  Allen
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  Rupp
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  as
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  they
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  share
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  stories
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  of
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  their
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  friendship
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  with
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  Dave
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  Whitlock
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  and
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  his
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  impact
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  on
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  their
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  fly
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  fishing
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  careers.
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  Dave
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  and
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  Henry
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  shared
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  a
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  common
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  bond
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  over
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  sodium
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  free
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  stripers
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  And
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  Dave
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  wrote
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  the
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  forward
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  to
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  and
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  illustrated
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  Henry's
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  book.
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  And
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  before
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  he
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  passed,
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  Dave
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  selected
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  Allen
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  to
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  be
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  his
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  legacy
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  tire
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  and
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  spent
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  many
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  hours
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  teaching
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  Allen
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  his
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  techniques
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  and
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  flies.
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  Alan's
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  committed
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  to
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  preserving
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  Dave's
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  legacy
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  through
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  teaching
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  and
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  writing.
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  I
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  think
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  you're
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  really
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  going
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  to
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  enjoy
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  this
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  one,
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  but
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  before
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  we
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  get
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  to
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  the
• 0:36
  interview,
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  just
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  housekeeping
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  items.
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  you
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  like
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  the
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  podcast,
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  please
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  tell
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  a
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  friend
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  and
• 0:42
  please
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  subscribe
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  and
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  leave
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  choice.
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  It
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  really
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  helps
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  us
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  out
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  a
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  shout
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  out
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  to
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  our
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  at
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  almost
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  before
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  there
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  was
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  a
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  team
• 0:52
  at
• 0:52
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• 0:53
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  We
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  all
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  know
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  streams
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  are
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  getting
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  crowded
• 0:55
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• 0:55
  chances
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  not
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  the
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  only
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  one
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  at
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  your
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  local
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  access
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  point.
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  Get
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  away
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  from
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  the
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  crowds
• 1:00
  and
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  busy
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  across
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  50,000
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  trout
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  streams
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  and
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  more,
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  to
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  help
• 1:11
  you
• 1:11
  find
• 1:11
  angling
• 1:11
  opportunities
• 1:12
  that
• 1:12
  others
• 1:13
  will
• 1:13
  overlook.
• 1:14
  Up
• 1:14
  your
• 1:14
  game
• 1:14
  and
• 1:14
  download
• 1:15
  the
• 1:15
  app
• 1:15
  today.
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  Use
• 1:16
  code
• 1:16
  artfly20.
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  All
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  one
• 1:20
  word
• 1:21
  for
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  20%
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  off
• 1:22
  of
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  your
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  Trout
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  Routes
• 1:22
  Pro
• 1:23
  membership
• 1:23
  at
• 1:23
  Maps.
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  Now,
• 1:27
  on
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  to
• 1:28
  our
• 1:28
  interview.
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  Well,
• 1:29
  Henry
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  and
• 1:30
  Allen,
• 1:30
  welcome
• 1:30
  back
• 1:31
  to
• 1:31
  the
• 1:31
  Articulate
• 1:31
  Fly.
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  Thank
• 1:33
  you.
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  Thanks
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  for
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  having
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  us
• 1:35
  on,
• 1:36
  Mr.
• 1:37
  Cash.
• 1:37
  I'm
• 1:37
  looking
• 1:38
  forward
• 1:38
  to
• 1:38
  this
• 1:38
  evening.
• 1:39
  We're
• 1:39
  going
• 1:39
  to
• 1:39
  talk
• 1:39
  about
• 1:40
  one
• 1:40
  of
• 1:40
  our
• 1:40
  favorite
• 1:40
  subjects.
• 1:41
  Yeah,
• 1:42
  it's
• 1:42
  kind
• 1:42
  of
• 1:42
  funny
• 1:42
  you
• 1:42
  say
• 1:42
  that.
• 1:43
  We're
• 1:43
  going
• 1:43
  to
• 1:43
  talk
• 1:43
  about,
• 1:44
  about
• 1:44
  Dave
• 1:44
  Whitlock.
• 1:45
  You
• 1:45
  know,
• 1:45
  I
• 1:45
  went
• 1:45
  back
• 1:45
  and
• 1:45
  looked
• 1:46
  doing
• 1:46
  research
• 1:46
  for,
• 1:47
  for
• 1:47
  this
• 1:48
  interview
• 1:48
  and
• 1:48
  we
• 1:48
  actually
• 1:48
  did
• 1:49
  that
• 1:49
  interview
• 1:49
  five
• 1:49
  years
• 1:50
  ago.
• 1:51
  Really?
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  It's
• 1:52
  almost
• 1:53
  five
• 1:53
  years
• 1:53
  ago.
• 1:53
  It
• 1:53
  was
• 1:54
  October
• 1:54
  of
• 1:54
  2020.
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  Yeah,
• 1:57
  that
• 1:57
  was
• 1:58
  fine.
• 1:58
  I
• 1:58
  know
• 1:58
  Dave
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  really
• 1:59
  enjoyed
• 1:59
  that.
• 2:00
  Yeah,
• 2:01
  it
• 2:01
  was
• 2:01
  fun
• 2:02
  to
• 2:02
  do.
• 2:02
  And
• 2:02
  you
• 2:02
  know,
• 2:03
  Henry,
• 2:03
  before
• 2:03
  we
• 2:03
  get
• 2:03
  going,
• 2:04
  you
• 2:04
  know,
• 2:04
  you've
• 2:05
  been
• 2:05
  out
• 2:05
  on
• 2:05
  the
• 2:05
  water.
• 2:06
  Tell
• 2:06
  us
• 2:07
  a
• 2:07
  little
• 2:07
  bit
• 2:07
  about
• 2:07
  how
• 2:07
  the
• 2:07
  striper
• 2:08
  bites.
• 2:08
  Been
• 2:08
  going
• 2:08
  on
• 2:08
  Lake
• 2:08
  Lanier
• 2:09
  for
• 2:09
  you?
• 2:10
  Well,
• 2:10
  there
• 2:10
  is
• 2:10
  none
• 2:11
  right
• 2:11
  now.
• 2:11
  You
• 2:11
  know,
• 2:12
  it's
• 2:13
  the
• 2:13
  water
• 2:13
  temp
• 2:14
  on
• 2:14
  our
• 2:14
  lake
• 2:14
  is,
• 2:15
  is
• 2:15
  hovering
• 2:16
  around
• 2:16
  88
• 2:17
  degrees
• 2:18
  and
• 2:18
  the
• 2:18
  stripers
• 2:19
  are
• 2:19
  all
• 2:19
  deep.
• 2:20
  So
• 2:20
  we
• 2:20
  don't,
• 2:20
  you
• 2:21
  know,
• 2:21
  I
• 2:21
  don't
• 2:21
  fish
• 2:21
  for
• 2:22
  stripers
• 2:22
  this
• 2:23
  time
• 2:23
  of
• 2:23
  year.
• 2:23
  We're
• 2:24
  actually,
• 2:25
  Marvin,
• 2:25
  we're
• 2:25
  Actually
• 2:26
  starting
• 2:26
  to
• 2:26
  see
• 2:26
  fish
• 2:27
  floating
• 2:27
  from
• 2:28
  the,
• 2:28
  from
• 2:29
  the
• 2:29
  live
• 2:29
  bait
• 2:29
  guides
• 2:30
  that
• 2:31
  are
• 2:31
  catching
• 2:31
  fish,
• 2:32
  putting
• 2:32
  them
• 2:32
  on
• 2:32
  the
• 2:33
  bow
• 2:33
  of
• 2:33
  the
• 2:33
  boat,
• 2:33
  on
• 2:34
  the
• 2:34
  deck,
• 2:34
  taking
• 2:35
  pictures
• 2:35
  with
• 2:36
  their
• 2:36
  customers
• 2:36
  and
• 2:37
  then
• 2:37
  by
• 2:37
  the
• 2:37
  time
• 2:37
  they
• 2:37
  get
• 2:38
  them
• 2:38
  back
• 2:38
  in
• 2:38
  the
• 2:38
  water
• 2:39
  the
• 2:39
  fish
• 2:39
  are
• 2:40
  all
• 2:40
  stressed
• 2:40
  out
• 2:40
  and
• 2:40
  can't
• 2:41
  go
• 2:41
  back
• 2:41
  down
• 2:41
  to
• 2:42
  the
• 2:42
  thermocline
• 2:42
  and
• 2:43
  survive.
• 2:43
  So
• 2:44
  the
• 2:45
  other
• 2:45
  day
• 2:45
  a
• 2:45
  guy
• 2:45
  posted
• 2:46
  about
• 2:46
  a
• 2:46
  dozen
• 2:47
  fish
• 2:47
  floating
• 2:47
  on
• 2:48
  top.
• 2:48
  You
• 2:48
  just
• 2:49
  can't
• 2:49
  picture
• 2:50
  stripers
• 2:51
  this
• 2:51
  time
• 2:51
  of
• 2:51
  year.
• 2:51
  You
• 2:51
  gotta
• 2:52
  just
• 2:52
  hook
• 2:52
  em
• 2:53
  and
• 2:53
  let
• 2:53
  em
• 2:53
  go.
• 2:53
  And
• 2:53
  quite
• 2:54
  frankly
• 2:54
  I
• 2:54
  don't
• 2:54
  even
• 2:55
  fish
• 2:55
  for
• 2:55
  em
• 2:55
  right
• 2:56
  now.
• 2:57
  I
• 2:57
  fish
• 2:58
  for,
• 2:59
  I'm
• 2:59
  fishing
• 2:59
  spotted
• 3:00
  bass
• 3:00
  on
• 3:00
  top
• 3:01
  water
• 3:01
  right
• 3:01
  now.
• 3:02
  And
• 3:02
  carp.
• 3:03
  Yeah,
• 3:03
  I
• 3:03
  was
• 3:03
  just
• 3:03
  getting
• 3:03
  ready
• 3:04
  to
• 3:04
  say
• 3:04
  and
• 3:04
  a
• 3:04
  little
• 3:04
  bit
• 3:04
  of
• 3:04
  carp
• 3:05
  and
• 3:05
  you
• 3:05
  know
• 3:05
  Alan,
• 3:05
  I
• 3:05
  suspect
• 3:06
  if
• 3:06
  I
• 3:06
  know
• 3:06
  you,
• 3:08
  you've
• 3:08
  had
• 3:08
  some
• 3:08
  fishing
• 3:09
  adventures
• 3:09
  you
• 3:09
  probably
• 3:10
  want
• 3:10
  to
• 3:10
  share
• 3:10
  with
• 3:10
  our
• 3:10
  listeners.
• 3:12
  Yeah,
• 3:12
  I
• 3:12
  was
• 3:12
  recently
• 3:12
  down
• 3:13
  in
• 3:13
  Georgia
• 3:13
  fishing
• 3:13
  with
• 3:14
  Rob
• 3:14
  Rogers
• 3:15
  from
• 3:15
  Deep
• 3:15
  South
• 3:15
  Outfitters
• 3:16
  and
• 3:16
  Tim
• 3:17
  Bar
• 3:17
  from
• 3:18
  Coosa
• 3:18
  River
• 3:18
  Fishing
• 3:19
  Company.
• 3:20
  We
• 3:20
  caught
• 3:20
  a
• 3:20
  bunch
• 3:20
  of
• 3:20
  spots,
• 3:21
  largemouth,
• 3:22
  red
• 3:22
  eyes,
• 3:22
  gills.
• 3:24
  Had
• 3:24
  a
• 3:24
  really
• 3:25
  good
• 3:25
  time
• 3:25
  down
• 3:25
  there.
• 3:27
  Most
• 3:28
  of
• 3:28
  them
• 3:28
  came
• 3:28
  on
• 3:28
  Dave's
• 3:29
  Vortex
• 3:29
  Diver,
• 3:29
  but
• 3:30
  I
• 3:30
  did
• 3:30
  get
• 3:30
  it
• 3:31
  a
• 3:31
  couple
• 3:31
  and
• 3:32
  one
• 3:32
  of
• 3:32
  the
• 3:32
  big
• 3:32
  ones
• 3:32
  came
• 3:33
  on
• 3:33
  a
• 3:33
  top
• 3:33
  water
• 3:33
  Creole
• 3:34
  X.
• 3:34
  So
• 3:36
  one
• 3:36
  of
• 3:36
  my,
• 3:36
  those
• 3:37
  are
• 3:37
  two
• 3:37
  of
• 3:37
  my
• 3:37
  favorite
• 3:38
  top
• 3:38
  waterflies.
• 3:39
  Yeah,
• 3:39
  I
• 3:39
  actually
• 3:39
  had
• 3:40
  a
• 3:40
  really
• 3:40
  good
• 3:40
  day
• 3:41
  fishing
• 3:41
  a
• 3:41
  top
• 3:42
  water
• 3:42
  Crew
• 3:42
  X
• 3:42
  with
• 3:42
  Matt
• 3:43
  Riley
• 3:43
  probably
• 3:44
  about
• 3:44
  a
• 3:44
  year
• 3:44
  ago
• 3:44
  now
• 3:45
  and,
• 3:46
  and
• 3:46
  tore
• 3:47
  them
• 3:47
  up.
• 3:47
  Absolutely.
• 3:48
  And
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  know,
• 3:48
  so
• 3:49
  you
• 3:49
  know,
• 3:49
  it'd
• 3:49
  be
• 3:49
  interesting,
• 3:50
  I
• 3:50
  thought,
• 3:50
  you
• 3:50
  know,
• 3:51
  if
• 3:51
  each
• 3:51
  of
• 3:51
  you
• 3:51
  could
• 3:52
  share
• 3:52
  kind
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  like
• 3:52
  how
• 3:53
  you
• 3:53
  met
• 3:53
  Dave
• 3:53
  and
• 3:53
  a
• 3:54
  little
• 3:54
  bit
• 3:54
  about
• 3:54
  your
• 3:54
  relationship
• 3:55
  with
• 3:55
  him.
• 3:55
  And
• 3:55
  I
• 3:55
  thought
• 3:55
  Henry,
• 3:56
  you
• 3:56
  know,
• 3:56
  why
• 3:56
  don't
• 3:57
  you
• 3:57
  go
• 3:57
  first.
• 3:58
  Okay,
• 3:59
  well,
• 3:59
  you
• 3:59
  know,
• 4:00
  I
• 4:00
  met
• 4:00
  Dave.
• 4:01
  I
• 4:01
  don't
• 4:01
  remember
• 4:01
  even
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  exact
• 4:02
  date.
• 4:03
  It
• 4:03
  was
• 4:03
  something
• 4:03
  like
• 4:04
  1876
• 4:05
  or
• 4:06
  1877.
• 4:08
  No,
• 4:09
  I
• 4:10
  met
• 4:10
  Dave
• 4:11
  back
• 4:11
  at
• 4:12
  one
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  fly
• 4:13
  shows
• 4:14
  and
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  honestly
• 4:15
  can't
• 4:15
  remember
• 4:15
  if
• 4:16
  it
• 4:16
  was
• 4:16
  a,
• 4:17
  a
• 4:18
  Chuck
• 4:18
  Foreimski
• 4:19
  show
• 4:19
  prior
• 4:20
  to
• 4:20
  Ben
• 4:20
  taking
• 4:21
  over
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  fly
• 4:22
  fishing
• 4:22
  shows
• 4:23
  or
• 4:23
  whether
• 4:24
  it
• 4:24
  was
• 4:24
  a
• 4:24
  Mark
• 4:25
  Castello
• 4:26
  show
• 4:26
  down
• 4:27
  here
• 4:27
  in
• 4:27
  Atlanta
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  he
• 4:29
  used
• 4:29
  to
• 4:30
  do
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  Shallow
• 4:31
  water
• 4:31
  Fishing
• 4:32
  Expo.
• 4:32
  And
• 4:32
  I
• 4:33
  had
• 4:33
  met
• 4:33
  Dave
• 4:34
  at
• 4:34
  one
• 4:34
  of
• 4:34
  those
• 4:35
  shows,
• 4:35
  but
• 4:36
  it
• 4:36
  was
• 4:36
  definitely
• 4:37
  in
• 4:37
  the,
• 4:39
  in
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  early
• 4:39
  2000,
• 4:40
  early
• 4:40
  to
• 4:40
  mid,
• 4:41
  you
• 4:41
  know,
• 4:41
  2001
• 4:43
  through
• 4:43
  2006.
• 4:45
  And
• 4:45
  it
• 4:45
  was
• 4:46
  either
• 4:46
  in
• 4:46
  Edison,
• 4:47
  New
• 4:47
  Jersey
• 4:48
  or
• 4:49
  actually
• 4:49
  Somerset
• 4:50
  back
• 4:50
  then.
• 4:50
  It
• 4:51
  was
• 4:51
  either
• 4:51
  Somerset,
• 4:52
  New
• 4:52
  Jersey
• 4:52
  or
• 4:52
  it
• 4:53
  was,
• 4:53
  or
• 4:53
  it
• 4:53
  was
• 4:53
  here
• 4:54
  in
• 4:54
  Atlanta.
• 4:54
  I
• 4:54
  just
• 4:55
  can't
• 4:55
  remember.
• 4:55
  Him
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  Emily
• 4:56
  used
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  do
• 4:56
  the
• 4:56
  show
• 4:57
  circuit
• 4:57
  all
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  time
• 4:58
  and
• 4:58
  Dave
• 4:59
  would
• 4:59
  be
• 5:00
  selling
• 5:00
  his
• 5:00
  artwork
• 5:01
  and
• 5:01
  that,
• 5:01
  that's
• 5:01
  kind
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  how
• 5:02
  we,
• 5:03
  we
• 5:03
  met
• 5:03
  one
• 5:03
  another.
• 5:05
  Very,
• 5:05
  very
• 5:05
  neat.
• 5:06
  Alan,
• 5:06
  how
• 5:06
  about
• 5:06
  you?
• 5:08
  Well,
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  first,
• 5:10
  you
• 5:10
  know,
• 5:11
  met
• 5:11
  him.
• 5:12
  I
• 5:13
  don't
• 5:13
  know.
• 5:13
  It
• 5:13
  was
• 5:13
  at
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  Denver
• 5:14
  show
• 5:14
  when
• 5:14
  it
• 5:14
  was
• 5:14
  at
• 5:15
  the
• 5:15
  Denver
• 5:15
  Mart
• 5:17
  maybe
• 5:18
  nine
• 5:19
  or
• 5:19
  10
• 5:19
  years
• 5:19
  ago.
• 5:20
  And
• 5:22
  you
• 5:22
  know,
• 5:23
  my
• 5:23
  wife
• 5:23
  booked
• 5:25
  as
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  weekend
• 5:26
  fishing
• 5:26
  package.
• 5:27
  They
• 5:28
  would
• 5:28
  do
• 5:28
  these
• 5:28
  fly
• 5:28
  fishing
• 5:29
  schools
• 5:29
  at
• 5:29
  their
• 5:29
  house
• 5:30
  there
• 5:30
  in
• 5:30
  Oklahoma.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:32
  Lisa
• 5:33
  really
• 5:33
  took
• 5:34
  a
• 5:34
  liking
• 5:34
  to
• 5:34
  Emily
• 5:34
  in
• 5:35
  about.
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  think
• 5:37
  they
• 5:37
  made
• 5:38
  it
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  lunchtime
• 5:38
  on
• 5:38
  the
• 5:39
  first
• 5:39
  day,
• 5:39
  but
• 5:39
  they
• 5:40
  didn't
• 5:40
  bother
• 5:40
  to.
• 5:41
  Lisa
• 5:41
  stopped
• 5:42
  doing
• 5:42
  any
• 5:42
  of
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  classwork
• 5:43
  after
• 5:43
  lunch.
• 5:44
  The
• 5:44
  wine
• 5:44
  came
• 5:45
  out
• 5:45
  at
• 5:45
  lunch
• 5:45
  and
• 5:46
  her
• 5:47
  and
• 5:47
  Emily
• 5:47
  sat
• 5:47
  there
• 5:47
  and
• 5:48
  chatted
• 5:48
  for
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  rest
• 5:48
  of
• 5:48
  the
• 5:48
  day.
• 5:49
  And
• 5:49
  I
• 5:49
  had
• 5:49
  private
• 5:49
  lessons
• 5:50
  from
• 5:50
  Dave
• 5:50
  the
• 5:51
  rest
• 5:51
  of
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  time.
• 5:52
  So.
• 5:53
  That's
• 5:53
  a,
• 5:53
  that's
• 5:54
  a
• 5:54
  great
• 5:54
  story.
• 5:55
  That's
• 5:55
  a
• 5:55
  great
• 5:55
  story,
• 5:56
  Alan.
• 5:57
  Yeah,
• 5:57
  it
• 5:57
  was
• 5:58
  fun.
• 5:59
  He
• 6:00
  taught
• 6:00
  me
• 6:00
  a
• 6:00
  really
• 6:00
  cool
• 6:01
  cast
• 6:01
  that
• 6:01
  day
• 6:01
  about
• 6:01
  how
• 6:01
  to
• 6:02
  keep.
• 6:02
  Make
• 6:02
  sure
• 6:02
  your
• 6:02
  dry
• 6:02
  fly
• 6:03
  lands
• 6:03
  first.
• 6:04
  I
• 6:04
  just
• 6:04
  heard
• 6:05
  Chad
• 6:05
  Johnson
• 6:05
  talk
• 6:06
  about
• 6:06
  it
• 6:06
  on
• 6:06
  his
• 6:06
  podcast.
• 6:08
  Took.
• 6:08
  It
• 6:08
  took
• 6:09
  him
• 6:09
  about
• 6:09
  the
• 6:09
  same
• 6:09
  time
• 6:09
  it
• 6:10
  took
• 6:10
  you.
• 6:10
  Takes
• 6:11
  about
• 6:11
  an
• 6:11
  hour
• 6:11
  to
• 6:11
  learn
• 6:11
  it
• 6:11
  from
• 6:12
  Dave
• 6:12
  and
• 6:12
  he
• 6:12
  said
• 6:13
  it
• 6:13
  took
• 6:13
  him
• 6:13
  about
• 6:13
  an
• 6:13
  hour
• 6:14
  as
• 6:14
  well.
• 6:15
  Very,
• 6:16
  very
• 6:16
  neat.
• 6:16
  And
• 6:16
  you
• 6:16
  know,
• 6:17
  Alan,
• 6:17
  you,
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  met
• 6:18
  Dave
• 6:18
  kind
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  later
• 6:19
  in
• 6:19
  his
• 6:19
  life
• 6:19
  and
• 6:19
  it's
• 6:19
  kind
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  interesting
• 6:20
  because,
• 6:20
  you
• 6:20
  know,
• 6:20
  he's,
• 6:21
  he's
• 6:22
  kind
• 6:22
  of
• 6:22
  one
• 6:22
  of
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  OGs
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  you're
• 6:23
  a
• 6:23
  young
• 6:24
  guy,
• 6:24
  right?
• 6:24
  So
• 6:25
  I
• 6:26
  was
• 6:26
  just
• 6:26
  kind
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  curious,
• 6:26
  you
• 6:27
  know,
• 6:27
  as
• 6:27
  your.
• 6:27
  And
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  know
• 6:28
  you
• 6:28
  made
• 6:29
  of
• 6:29
  effort
• 6:29
  and
• 6:29
  we'll
• 6:30
  talk
• 6:30
  about
• 6:30
  this
• 6:30
  later,
• 6:31
  kind
• 6:31
  of
• 6:31
  about
• 6:31
  how
• 6:31
  he
• 6:32
  mentored
• 6:32
  you
• 6:32
  and
• 6:32
  kind
• 6:33
  of
• 6:33
  helped
• 6:33
  you
• 6:33
  launch
• 6:33
  your
• 6:33
  fly
• 6:34
  time
• 6:34
  business.
• 6:34
  But
• 6:34
  you
• 6:35
  know,
• 6:35
  tell
• 6:35
  me
• 6:35
  a
• 6:35
  little
• 6:35
  bit
• 6:35
  about
• 6:36
  what
• 6:36
  attracted
• 6:36
  you
• 6:36
  to
• 6:37
  Dave
• 6:37
  and
• 6:37
  his
• 6:37
  fly
• 6:37
  patterns.
• 6:39
  At
• 6:39
  first
• 6:39
  it
• 6:39
  was
• 6:40
  steer
• 6:41
  sheer
• 6:41
  fandom.
• 6:42
  You
• 6:42
  know,
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  was
• 6:42
  just,
• 6:43
  you
• 6:44
  know,
• 6:44
  it
• 6:44
  was
• 6:44
  Dave
• 6:44
  Whitlock.
• 6:45
  I,
• 6:45
  I
• 6:46
  have
• 6:46
  a,
• 6:46
  A
• 6:46
  book
• 6:47
  by
• 6:47
  Mark
• 6:47
  Sosin
• 6:48
  and
• 6:51
  you
• 6:51
  know,
• 6:51
  other,
• 6:51
  the.
• 6:52
  All
• 6:52
  these
• 6:52
  other
• 6:52
  old
• 6:53
  books
• 6:53
  that
• 6:53
  he
• 6:54
  illustrated,
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  know,
• 6:55
  that
• 6:55
  were
• 6:55
  like
• 6:56
  Basque,
• 6:56
  like
• 6:56
  true
• 6:57
  and
• 6:57
  true
• 6:57
  bass
• 6:57
  guys.
• 6:58
  He
• 6:58
  wrote
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  book
• 6:58
  with
• 6:58
  Bill
• 6:58
  Dance
• 6:59
  and
• 6:59
  he
• 6:59
  illustrated
• 7:00
  it,
• 7:00
  you
• 7:00
  know,
• 7:01
  and
• 7:01
  I,
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  know,
• 7:02
  and
• 7:03
  I
• 7:03
  just
• 7:03
  did
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  book,
• 7:03
  a
• 7:04
  post
• 7:04
  last
• 7:04
  week.
• 7:04
  He,
• 7:05
  I
• 7:05
  didn't
• 7:05
  even
• 7:05
  realize
• 7:05
  he
• 7:06
  illustrated
• 7:06
  Harry
• 7:07
  Murray's
• 7:07
  book
• 7:07
  on
• 7:07
  smallmouth
• 7:08
  bass.
• 7:10
  I
• 7:10
  had
• 7:10
  forgotten
• 7:10
  that.
• 7:12
  But
• 7:12
  you
• 7:12
  know,
• 7:13
  that's
• 7:13
  how
• 7:13
  it
• 7:13
  was.
• 7:14
  It
• 7:14
  was
• 7:14
  just
• 7:14
  fandom
• 7:14
  at
• 7:15
  start.
• 7:15
  At
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  start.
• 7:17
  But
• 7:17
  then
• 7:17
  what,
• 7:18
  what
• 7:18
  made
• 7:19
  me
• 7:19
  realize
• 7:19
  he
• 7:19
  was
• 7:20
  different
• 7:22
  besides
• 7:22
  just
• 7:22
  special,
• 7:23
  just
• 7:23
  different
• 7:25
  is
• 7:25
  he
• 7:25
  was
• 7:25
  never
• 7:26
  happy
• 7:26
  with
• 7:26
  his
• 7:27
  flies
• 7:27
  as
• 7:27
  they
• 7:28
  were.
• 7:28
  He
• 7:29
  was
• 7:29
  always
• 7:29
  trying
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  see
• 7:30
  if
• 7:30
  there
• 7:30
  was
• 7:30
  a
• 7:30
  way
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  make
• 7:31
  them
• 7:31
  better.
• 7:33
  One
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  last
• 7:33
  flies
• 7:34
  or
• 7:35
  one
• 7:35
  of
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  flies
• 7:35
  he
• 7:36
  taught
• 7:36
  me
• 7:36
  was
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  near
• 7:37
  enough
• 7:37
  crayfish.
• 7:38
  And
• 7:38
  he
• 7:38
  had
• 7:38
  talked
• 7:38
  to
• 7:38
  me
• 7:39
  about
• 7:39
  wanting
• 7:39
  to
• 7:40
  me
• 7:40
  to
• 7:40
  add
• 7:41
  rubber
• 7:41
  legs
• 7:42
  to
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  flanks
• 7:42
  of
• 7:42
  the
• 7:43
  fly
• 7:43
  on
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  sides
• 7:44
  to
• 7:44
  try
• 7:44
  to
• 7:45
  see
• 7:45
  if
• 7:45
  we
• 7:45
  could
• 7:45
  get
• 7:46
  more
• 7:46
  color
• 7:46
  into
• 7:47
  it,
• 7:47
  a
• 7:47
  different
• 7:47
  sonic
• 7:48
  footprint,
• 7:48
  better
• 7:49
  action,
• 7:49
  different
• 7:49
  act.
• 7:50
  He
• 7:50
  just
• 7:50
  wanted
• 7:50
  to
• 7:51
  see
• 7:51
  if
• 7:51
  it
• 7:51
  would
• 7:51
  make
• 7:51
  it
• 7:51
  better.
• 7:52
  He
• 7:53
  had
• 7:53
  seen
• 7:53
  somebody
• 7:53
  else
• 7:54
  do
• 7:54
  rubber
• 7:54
  legs
• 7:55
  coming
• 7:55
  out
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  sides.
• 7:56
  He's
• 7:57
  like,
• 7:57
  let's
• 7:57
  see
• 7:57
  if
• 7:57
  we,
• 7:57
  what
• 7:58
  we
• 7:58
  do
• 7:58
  it.
• 7:58
  I.
• 7:58
  He
• 7:59
  had
• 7:59
  done
• 7:59
  it,
• 7:59
  showed
• 8:00
  me
• 8:00
  some
• 8:00
  sample.
• 8:00
  He's
• 8:00
  like,
• 8:01
  I'm
• 8:01
  fishing
• 8:01
  them.
• 8:01
  I'm,
• 8:01
  I'm.
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  like
• 8:03
  them,
• 8:03
  but
• 8:03
  I'm
• 8:03
  not
• 8:03
  sure
• 8:03
  they're
• 8:03
  any
• 8:04
  better.
• 8:05
  So.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:06
  we
• 8:07
  didn't
• 8:07
  get
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  chance
• 8:08
  to
• 8:08
  come
• 8:08
  to
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  conclusion
• 8:09
  on
• 8:09
  that
• 8:09
  because,
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  know,
• 8:10
  he
• 8:10
  passed.
• 8:11
  But
• 8:11
  it
• 8:11
  was,
• 8:12
  it
• 8:12
  was
• 8:12
  so
• 8:12
  interesting
• 8:12
  that
• 8:13
  he
• 8:13
  was
• 8:13
  never.
• 8:15
  The
• 8:15
  fly's
• 8:16
  done.
• 8:16
  It
• 8:16
  was
• 8:16
  never
• 8:17
  done.
• 8:17
  He
• 8:17
  was
• 8:17
  always
• 8:18
  trying
• 8:18
  to
• 8:18
  see
• 8:18
  if
• 8:18
  there
• 8:18
  was
• 8:19
  a
• 8:19
  way
• 8:19
  to
• 8:19
  make
• 8:19
  it
• 8:19
  better.
• 8:20
  Yeah,
• 8:21
  it's
• 8:21
  interesting
• 8:21
  you
• 8:21
  say
• 8:22
  that
• 8:22
  because
• 8:22
  it's
• 8:22
  kind
• 8:22
  of
• 8:22
  funny,
• 8:23
  Henry.
• 8:23
  It
• 8:23
  reminds
• 8:23
  me
• 8:23
  of
• 8:23
  the
• 8:24
  conversation
• 8:24
  we
• 8:24
  had
• 8:24
  either
• 8:25
  today
• 8:25
  or
• 8:25
  yesterday,
• 8:26
  you
• 8:26
  know,
• 8:26
  about
• 8:27
  kind
• 8:27
  of
• 8:27
  that
• 8:28
  generation
• 8:28
  of
• 8:28
  angler
• 8:29
  and
• 8:29
  just
• 8:29
  in
• 8:29
  people
• 8:29
  like,
• 8:30
  whether
• 8:30
  it's
• 8:30
  Popovix
• 8:31
  or
• 8:31
  Lefty
• 8:31
  or
• 8:32
  Dave,
• 8:33
  that
• 8:33
  silent
• 8:33
  generation,
• 8:34
  they
• 8:35
  were
• 8:35
  always
• 8:35
  figuring
• 8:36
  stuff
• 8:36
  out.
• 8:36
  And
• 8:37
  you
• 8:37
  couldn't
• 8:37
  just
• 8:37
  go
• 8:37
  to
• 8:38
  Feathercraft
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  order
• 8:40
  stuff.
• 8:40
  You
• 8:40
  had
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  make
• 8:41
  it
• 8:41
  and
• 8:41
  figure
• 8:41
  it
• 8:41
  out.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:43
  it's
• 8:43
  just
• 8:43
  interesting
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  see
• 8:44
  that
• 8:44
  entire
• 8:45
  creative
• 8:45
  process.
• 8:47
  Yeah.
• 8:47
  No
• 8:47
  question
• 8:47
  about
• 8:48
  it.
• 8:50
  When
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  showed
• 8:51
  Dave
• 8:51
  the
• 8:52
  first
• 8:52
  time,
• 8:52
  when
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  tied
• 8:53
  him
• 8:53
  up
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  few
• 8:54
  sheep
• 8:54
  shed,
• 8:54
  because
• 8:55
  he
• 8:55
  had
• 8:55
  never
• 8:55
  seen
• 8:55
  that
• 8:56
  pattern
• 8:56
  before.
• 8:56
  No,
• 8:57
  I'm
• 8:57
  kidding,
• 8:58
  I'm
• 8:58
  kidding.
• 9:01
  Yeah.
• 9:04
  Oh,
• 9:04
  God.
• 9:05
  We'll
• 9:05
  be
• 9:05
  talking.
• 9:05
  This
• 9:06
  is
• 9:06
  going
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  be
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  comedy
• 9:07
  hour.
• 9:07
  Oh,
• 9:07
  well,
• 9:08
  yeah.
• 9:08
  No,
• 9:08
  it's
• 9:09
  always
• 9:09
  funny.
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  always
• 9:10
  look
• 9:10
  forward
• 9:10
  to,
• 9:10
  you
• 9:10
  know,
• 9:11
  whether
• 9:11
  you're
• 9:11
  singing
• 9:11
  me
• 9:11
  happy
• 9:12
  birthday
• 9:12
  or
• 9:12
  leaving
• 9:12
  me
• 9:12
  a
• 9:13
  voicemail.
• 9:13
  I
• 9:13
  called
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  back,
• 9:14
  so
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  didn't
• 9:14
  get
• 9:14
  to
• 9:14
  prank
• 9:15
  me
• 9:15
  today.
• 9:15
  But,
• 9:16
  you
• 9:16
  know,
• 9:16
  Henry,
• 9:16
  why
• 9:16
  don't
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  tell
• 9:17
  us
• 9:17
  a
• 9:17
  little
• 9:17
  bit
• 9:17
  about,
• 9:18
  you
• 9:19
  know,
• 9:19
  how
• 9:19
  Dave
• 9:20
  influenced
• 9:21
  your
• 9:21
  stripe
• 9:21
  wrangling.
• 9:23
  Well,
• 9:23
  you
• 9:23
  know,
• 9:23
  it's
• 9:24
  funny,
• 9:24
  I.
• 9:24
  When
• 9:25
  I
• 9:25
  met
• 9:25
  Dave
• 9:26
  back
• 9:26
  at
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  shows,
• 9:26
  he.
• 9:27
  The
• 9:27
  way
• 9:27
  I
• 9:28
  met
• 9:28
  him,
• 9:28
  actually,
• 9:29
  Marvin,
• 9:29
  was
• 9:30
  he
• 9:30
  actually
• 9:30
  sat
• 9:31
  in
• 9:31
  on
• 9:31
  a
• 9:31
  striper
• 9:32
  presentation
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  was
• 9:33
  doing
• 9:34
  at
• 9:34
  the
• 9:34
  show
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  he
• 9:35
  sat
• 9:35
  in
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  back
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  room
• 9:36
  and
• 9:37
  I
• 9:37
  didn't
• 9:37
  even
• 9:37
  know
• 9:37
  he
• 9:38
  was
• 9:38
  there,
• 9:38
  to
• 9:38
  be
• 9:38
  honest
• 9:39
  with
• 9:39
  you.
• 9:39
  I
• 9:39
  just
• 9:39
  went
• 9:40
  through
• 9:40
  my
• 9:40
  presentation
• 9:43
  that
• 9:43
  had
• 9:43
  been
• 9:44
  upgraded
• 9:45
  tenfold
• 9:46
  because
• 9:46
  of
• 9:47
  the
• 9:48
  stage
• 9:49
  advice
• 9:49
  given
• 9:49
  to
• 9:50
  me
• 9:50
  by
• 9:50
  Mr.
• 9:50
  Cray.
• 9:51
  And
• 9:52
  Dave
• 9:52
  sat
• 9:52
  through
• 9:53
  one
• 9:53
  of
• 9:53
  those
• 9:53
  first
• 9:54
  presentations
• 9:55
  when
• 9:55
  it
• 9:55
  was
• 9:55
  finally
• 9:56
  Updated.
• 9:56
  And
• 9:56
  then
• 9:58
  I
• 9:58
  had
• 9:58
  a
• 9:58
  featured
• 9:59
  fly
• 9:59
  tire
• 10:02
  seminar
• 10:03
  at
• 10:03
  one
• 10:03
  of
• 10:04
  the
• 10:04
  shows
• 10:04
  as
• 10:04
  well.
• 10:05
  And
• 10:05
  Dave
• 10:05
  sat
• 10:06
  in
• 10:06
  on
• 10:06
  that,
• 10:06
  watching
• 10:07
  me
• 10:07
  tie.
• 10:08
  And
• 10:08
  then
• 10:08
  he
• 10:09
  came
• 10:09
  over
• 10:09
  to
• 10:09
  me
• 10:10
  and
• 10:11
  we
• 10:11
  started
• 10:12
  chatting.
• 10:13
  And
• 10:13
  he
• 10:13
  said,
• 10:13
  you
• 10:13
  know,
• 10:13
  I'm
• 10:14
  a
• 10:14
  big
• 10:14
  striper
• 10:14
  guy.
• 10:15
  And
• 10:15
  I
• 10:15
  said,
• 10:15
  I
• 10:15
  know.
• 10:16
  I
• 10:16
  said,
• 10:16
  you're,
• 10:17
  you
• 10:17
  know,
• 10:18
  my
• 10:18
  two
• 10:18
  idols
• 10:19
  are
• 10:19
  Ewan
• 10:19
  Blanton,
• 10:20
  who
• 10:20
  pioneered
• 10:21
  these
• 10:21
  kinds
• 10:22
  of
• 10:22
  fishing
• 10:23
  back
• 10:24
  in
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  day
• 10:24
  for
• 10:25
  stripers
• 10:25
  and
• 10:25
  fresh
• 10:26
  water.
• 10:26
  I
• 10:26
  said,
• 10:26
  that's,
• 10:27
  you
• 10:27
  know,
• 10:27
  I'm
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  salt
• 10:28
  water
• 10:28
  guy,
• 10:28
  quite
• 10:29
  frankly.
• 10:29
  You
• 10:30
  know,
• 10:30
  I
• 10:30
  moved
• 10:30
  to
• 10:30
  Atlanta
• 10:31
  in
• 10:31
  97.
• 10:32
  So
• 10:32
  when
• 10:33
  I,
• 10:33
  you
• 10:33
  know,
• 10:33
  by
• 10:33
  the
• 10:34
  time
• 10:34
  I
• 10:34
  met
• 10:34
  Dave
• 10:34
  and
• 10:35
  whatnot,
• 10:35
  it
• 10:35
  was
• 10:35
  probably
• 10:36
  seven
• 10:36
  or
• 10:36
  eight
• 10:36
  years
• 10:37
  in,
• 10:37
  and
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  had
• 10:38
  been
• 10:38
  figuring
• 10:39
  it
• 10:39
  out.
• 10:39
  But
• 10:39
  Dave
• 10:40
  and
• 10:40
  I,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:43
  know,
• 10:43
  we
• 10:43
  used
• 10:43
  to
• 10:43
  discuss
• 10:44
  the
• 10:45
  big
• 10:45
  difference.
• 10:45
  You
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:46
  Dave,
• 10:46
  I
• 10:47
  don't
• 10:47
  know
• 10:47
  if
• 10:47
  our
• 10:47
  audience
• 10:48
  even
• 10:49
  knows
• 10:49
  this,
• 10:49
  but
• 10:49
  Dave
• 10:50
  found
• 10:50
  stripers
• 10:52
  by.
• 10:52
  He
• 10:53
  was
• 10:53
  doing
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  fly
• 10:54
  fishing
• 10:54
  school
• 10:54
  for
• 10:55
  L.L.
• 10:55
  bean
• 10:56
  back,
• 10:57
  I
• 10:57
  want
• 10:57
  to
• 10:57
  say
• 10:58
  it
• 10:58
  was
• 10:58
  in
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  late
• 10:59
  80s,
• 10:59
  maybe
• 11:00
  the
• 11:00
  early
• 11:00
  90s,
• 11:01
  and
• 11:01
  he
• 11:01
  was
• 11:01
  going
• 11:02
  up
• 11:02
  to
• 11:02
  Maine
• 11:02
  doing
• 11:02
  their
• 11:03
  fly
• 11:03
  fishing
• 11:03
  school.
• 11:04
  And
• 11:04
  when
• 11:05
  he
• 11:05
  was
• 11:05
  up
• 11:05
  there,
• 11:05
  he
• 11:05
  got
• 11:06
  turned
• 11:06
  on
• 11:06
  to
• 11:06
  striped
• 11:07
  bass
• 11:07
  in
• 11:07
  salt
• 11:08
  water.
• 11:09
  And
• 11:09
  then
• 11:09
  he
• 11:09
  came
• 11:10
  back
• 11:11
  after
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  school
• 11:12
  ended,
• 11:12
  and
• 11:12
  he
• 11:13
  happened
• 11:13
  to
• 11:13
  have
• 11:14
  seen
• 11:16
  stripers
• 11:17
  in
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  back
• 11:18
  of
• 11:18
  a
• 11:18
  pickup
• 11:18
  truck
• 11:19
  in
• 11:20
  his
• 11:20
  hometown
• 11:21
  by
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  guy,
• 11:21
  and
• 11:21
  there
• 11:21
  were
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  bunch
• 11:22
  of
• 11:22
  guys
• 11:22
  hanging
• 11:23
  around.
• 11:23
  He
• 11:23
  thought
• 11:23
  there
• 11:24
  was
• 11:24
  actually.
• 11:25
  He
• 11:25
  thought
• 11:25
  somebody
• 11:26
  had
• 11:26
  harvested
• 11:27
  a
• 11:27
  deer.
• 11:27
  And
• 11:28
  he
• 11:28
  gets
• 11:28
  back
• 11:28
  there
• 11:28
  and
• 11:28
  he
• 11:29
  sees
• 11:29
  these
• 11:29
  giant
• 11:30
  stripers,
• 11:30
  and
• 11:30
  that's
• 11:31
  kind
• 11:31
  of
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  light
• 11:31
  bulb
• 11:32
  went
• 11:32
  off.
• 11:33
  And
• 11:34
  he
• 11:34
  and
• 11:34
  I
• 11:34
  then
• 11:35
  talked
• 11:35
  about
• 11:36
  what
• 11:36
  he
• 11:36
  had
• 11:37
  learned
• 11:37
  over
• 11:38
  the
• 11:38
  years
• 11:38
  and
• 11:38
  what
• 11:38
  I
• 11:39
  was
• 11:39
  trying
• 11:39
  to
• 11:39
  figure
• 11:39
  out
• 11:40
  over
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  years
• 11:40
  and
• 11:41
  had
• 11:41
  started
• 11:41
  learning
• 11:42
  myself.
• 11:42
  And
• 11:43
  what's
• 11:43
  so
• 11:43
  interesting
• 11:44
  is
• 11:44
  that
• 11:46
  striped
• 11:47
  bass
• 11:47
  don't
• 11:47
  know
• 11:48
  where
• 11:48
  they
• 11:48
  live.
• 11:49
  So
• 11:49
  a
• 11:49
  striper
• 11:50
  in
• 11:50
  Virginia
• 11:52
  on
• 11:52
  Blaine
• 11:53
  Chocolate's
• 11:53
  Smith
• 11:54
  Mountain
• 11:54
  Lake
• 11:54
  is
• 11:55
  no
• 11:55
  different
• 11:56
  than
• 11:56
  a
• 11:56
  striper
• 11:57
  on
• 11:57
  Lanier
• 11:57
  in
• 11:57
  my
• 11:58
  lake
• 11:58
  or
• 11:58
  a
• 11:58
  striper
• 11:59
  down
• 12:00
  in
• 12:00
  Oklahoma
• 12:01
  or
• 12:01
  Texoma
• 12:02
  down,
• 12:02
  you
• 12:03
  know,
• 12:03
  in.
• 12:03
  In
• 12:03
  either
• 12:04
  Texas,
• 12:04
  Arkansas,
• 12:06
  or
• 12:06
  even
• 12:06
  Oklahoma,
• 12:07
  they
• 12:07
  don't
• 12:08
  know
• 12:08
  where
• 12:08
  they
• 12:08
  live.
• 12:08
  The
• 12:09
  patterns
• 12:09
  are
• 12:10
  exactly
• 12:11
  the
• 12:12
  same.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:12
  that's
• 12:12
  what
• 12:12
  Dave
• 12:13
  and
• 12:13
  I
• 12:13
  used
• 12:13
  to
• 12:13
  discuss.
• 12:14
  And,
• 12:15
  you
• 12:15
  know,
• 12:15
  he'd
• 12:15
  say
• 12:15
  to
• 12:15
  me,
• 12:16
  man,
• 12:16
  when
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  winter
• 12:17
  comes,
• 12:17
  those
• 12:17
  fish
• 12:18
  are
• 12:18
  on.
• 12:19
  Are
• 12:19
  so
• 12:19
  hard
• 12:19
  to
• 12:20
  feed.
• 12:20
  And
• 12:20
  I
• 12:20
  said,
• 12:21
  yeah,
• 12:21
  they're
• 12:21
  on
• 12:21
  that
• 12:21
  itty
• 12:22
  bitty
• 12:22
  bait,
• 12:22
  you
• 12:23
  know,
• 12:23
  David
• 12:23
  goes,
• 12:23
  yeah,
• 12:24
  they're
• 12:24
  like
• 12:24
  2
• 12:24
  inches.
• 12:25
  What
• 12:25
  happened
• 12:26
  to
• 12:26
  the
• 12:26
  4
• 12:26
  and
• 12:26
  5
• 12:27
  inch
• 12:27
  shed
• 12:27
  that
• 12:28
  we
• 12:28
  used
• 12:28
  to
• 12:28
  get
• 12:28
  them
• 12:28
  on?
• 12:29
  So
• 12:29
  it
• 12:29
  was
• 12:29
  so
• 12:30
  interesting
• 12:30
  that
• 12:30
  we
• 12:31
  both
• 12:32
  kind
• 12:32
  of
• 12:32
  found
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  same
• 12:34
  ongoing
• 12:35
  problems
• 12:36
  and
• 12:36
  we
• 12:36
  had
• 12:37
  solved
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  same
• 12:38
  problems.
• 12:38
  Obviously,
• 12:39
  we
• 12:39
  Had
• 12:39
  a
• 12:39
  lot
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  success,
• 12:40
  but
• 12:40
  we
• 12:41
  all
• 12:41
  had
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  same
• 12:42
  kinds
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  problems.
• 12:42
  And
• 12:43
  that's
• 12:43
  where
• 12:43
  Dave
• 12:43
  and
• 12:44
  I
• 12:44
  used
• 12:44
  to
• 12:44
  have
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  lot
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  discussions
• 12:46
  about
• 12:47
  fly
• 12:47
  design
• 12:48
  and
• 12:48
  about.
• 12:48
  Mostly
• 12:49
  about
• 12:49
  the
• 12:49
  patterns
• 12:50
  of.
• 12:51
  Everything
• 12:51
  is
• 12:51
  dictated
• 12:52
  by
• 12:52
  water
• 12:52
  temperature
• 12:53
  and
• 12:53
  where
• 12:53
  is
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  bait
• 12:54
  going
• 12:54
  to
• 12:54
  be.
• 12:55
  You
• 12:55
  know,
• 12:55
  in
• 12:55
  fresh
• 12:55
  water,
• 12:56
  Marvin,
• 12:57
  you
• 12:57
  don't
• 12:57
  have
• 12:57
  tides,
• 12:58
  so
• 12:59
  it's
• 12:59
  really
• 12:59
  hard.
• 13:00
  It's
• 13:00
  probably
• 13:00
  the
• 13:01
  hardest
• 13:01
  fishing
• 13:02
  I've
• 13:02
  ever
• 13:02
  done.
• 13:02
  It's
• 13:03
  next
• 13:03
  to
• 13:04
  carp.
• 13:04
  It's
• 13:04
  right
• 13:05
  up
• 13:05
  there
• 13:05
  with
• 13:05
  carp.
• 13:06
  And
• 13:06
  permit
• 13:06
  is
• 13:07
  catching
• 13:07
  freshwater
• 13:08
  stripers
• 13:08
  in
• 13:08
  a
• 13:09
  lake,
• 13:09
  so.
• 13:10
  Or
• 13:10
  in
• 13:10
  a
• 13:10
  river
• 13:11
  system
• 13:11
  for
• 13:11
  that
• 13:11
  matter.
• 13:12
  So
• 13:12
  that
• 13:13
  was
• 13:13
  kind
• 13:13
  of
• 13:14
  how
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  two
• 13:14
  of
• 13:14
  us,
• 13:16
  you
• 13:16
  know,
• 13:16
  he'd
• 13:17
  get
• 13:17
  my,
• 13:17
  he'd
• 13:18
  get
• 13:18
  my,
• 13:18
  my,
• 13:19
  you
• 13:19
  know,
• 13:19
  the
• 13:20
  hair
• 13:20
  on
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  back
• 13:20
  of
• 13:20
  my
• 13:21
  neck
• 13:21
  standing
• 13:21
  up
• 13:22
  when
• 13:22
  he,
• 13:22
  he'd
• 13:23
  write
• 13:23
  me
• 13:23
  a
• 13:23
  letter
• 13:23
  and
• 13:23
  ask
• 13:24
  me
• 13:24
  if
• 13:24
  I'd
• 13:24
  ever
• 13:25
  experienced
• 13:25
  this
• 13:26
  or
• 13:26
  that
• 13:26
  or
• 13:26
  whatever.
• 13:27
  And
• 13:27
  so
• 13:27
  that
• 13:28
  was.
• 13:28
  That's
• 13:29
  kind
• 13:29
  of
• 13:29
  how
• 13:30
  he
• 13:31
  influenced
• 13:31
  a
• 13:31
  lot
• 13:31
  of
• 13:32
  what
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  was
• 13:32
  trying
• 13:32
  to
• 13:32
  figure
• 13:33
  out
• 13:33
  myself.
• 13:34
  Yeah,
• 13:34
  it's
• 13:34
  funny
• 13:35
  you
• 13:35
  say
• 13:35
  that
• 13:35
  because
• 13:35
  I'm.
• 13:35
  While
• 13:36
  you're
• 13:36
  telling
• 13:36
  that
• 13:36
  story,
• 13:36
  I'm
• 13:37
  thinking
• 13:37
  about
• 13:37
  like
• 13:37
  fishing
• 13:38
  with
• 13:38
  Blaine
• 13:38
  and
• 13:38
  having
• 13:39
  him
• 13:39
  tell
• 13:39
  me
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  exact
• 13:39
  same
• 13:40
  stories
• 13:40
  about
• 13:40
  learning
• 13:41
  striper
• 13:41
  and
• 13:41
  Smith
• 13:41
  Mountain
• 13:41
  Lake
• 13:42
  and
• 13:42
  calling
• 13:42
  you
• 13:42
  and
• 13:42
  be
• 13:42
  like,
• 13:42
  henry,
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  just
• 13:43
  can't
• 13:44
  find
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  fish.
• 13:44
  Where
• 13:44
  are
• 13:45
  they?
• 13:45
  Right?
• 13:45
  Or
• 13:46
  something
• 13:46
  like
• 13:46
  that.
• 13:46
  Right?
• 13:47
  Yeah.
• 13:48
  I
• 13:48
  mean
• 13:48
  Blaine,
• 13:49
  Blaine
• 13:49
  would
• 13:49
  be
• 13:49
  calling
• 13:50
  me
• 13:50
  four
• 13:50
  days
• 13:50
  a
• 13:51
  week,
• 13:52
  you
• 13:52
  know,
• 13:52
  when
• 13:52
  he
• 13:53
  started
• 13:53
  getting
• 13:53
  into
• 13:53
  the
• 13:54
  striper
• 13:54
  gig
• 13:54
  and
• 13:55
  just
• 13:55
  asking
• 13:56
  really
• 13:57
  pertinent
• 13:57
  questions.
• 13:59
  And
• 13:59
  he
• 14:00
  figured
• 14:00
  it
• 14:00
  out
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  his
• 14:01
  fishery
• 14:01
  is
• 14:01
  great
• 14:01
  up,
• 14:02
  up
• 14:02
  in
• 14:02
  Virginia,
• 14:03
  but
• 14:03
  we
• 14:04
  all
• 14:04
  suffer
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  same
• 14:06
  problems
• 14:07
  or
• 14:07
  go
• 14:07
  through
• 14:07
  the
• 14:08
  same
• 14:08
  problems
• 14:08
  that
• 14:09
  we
• 14:09
  have
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  figure
• 14:10
  out.
• 14:11
  So
• 14:11
  that,
• 14:12
  that's
• 14:12
  kind
• 14:12
  of
• 14:12
  how
• 14:13
  Dave
• 14:13
  influenced
• 14:14
  a
• 14:14
  lot
• 14:14
  of
• 14:14
  my
• 14:14
  striper
• 14:15
  fishing
• 14:16
  and
• 14:16
  so
• 14:16
  forth.
• 14:18
  Very,
• 14:18
  very
• 14:18
  neat.
• 14:18
  And
• 14:18
  Alan,
• 14:19
  I
• 14:19
  know
• 14:19
  you,
• 14:19
  your
• 14:20
  time
• 14:20
  since
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  were
• 14:21
  kind
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  knee
• 14:21
  high
• 14:21
  to
• 14:21
  a
• 14:21
  grasshopper
• 14:22
  from
• 14:23
  doing
• 14:23
  my
• 14:24
  research
• 14:24
  for
• 14:24
  the
• 14:25
  interview.
• 14:25
  But,
• 14:25
  but
• 14:26
  I
• 14:26
  also
• 14:26
  know
• 14:26
  that,
• 14:27
  you
• 14:27
  know,
• 14:27
  Dave
• 14:27
  had
• 14:28
  some
• 14:28
  very
• 14:28
  concrete
• 14:29
  impacts
• 14:29
  on
• 14:29
  your
• 14:29
  development
• 14:30
  as
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  tire.
• 14:30
  You
• 14:30
  want
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  share
• 14:31
  that
• 14:31
  with
• 14:31
  folks?
• 14:32
  Yeah.
• 14:35
  So
• 14:36
  it
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  a,
• 14:37
  it
• 14:37
  was
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  day
• 14:37
  we
• 14:38
  were
• 14:38
  tying
• 14:38
  the
• 14:39
  Dave's
• 14:39
  hopper
• 14:40
  and
• 14:40
  he
• 14:40
  was
• 14:40
  showing
• 14:40
  me
• 14:40
  how
• 14:41
  to
• 14:41
  tie
• 14:41
  it
• 14:42
  and
• 14:44
  I
• 14:44
  said,
• 14:45
  oh
• 14:45
  well
• 14:45
  Dave,
• 14:45
  you
• 14:45
  know,
• 14:46
  we
• 14:46
  got
• 14:46
  these
• 14:46
  legs
• 14:47
  tied
• 14:47
  onto
• 14:47
  the
• 14:47
  body
• 14:47
  and
• 14:48
  it's
• 14:49
  a,
• 14:49
  it's
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  two
• 14:49
  stage
• 14:50
  fly.
• 14:50
  You,
• 14:50
  you
• 14:51
  basically
• 14:51
  do
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  back
• 14:52
  half
• 14:52
  and
• 14:52
  then
• 14:52
  let
• 14:52
  all
• 14:52
  the
• 14:52
  glue
• 14:53
  cure
• 14:53
  and
• 14:54
  set
• 14:54
  up
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  then
• 14:54
  you
• 14:54
  do
• 14:55
  the,
• 14:55
  the
• 14:55
  deer
• 14:55
  hair
• 14:56
  head
• 14:56
  separately.
• 14:57
  So
• 14:57
  what
• 14:57
  happens
• 14:58
  if
• 14:58
  one
• 14:58
  of
• 14:58
  those
• 14:58
  legs
• 14:59
  is,
• 14:59
  you
• 14:59
  know,
• 14:59
  askew?
• 15:00
  He
• 15:00
  goes
• 15:01
  out.
• 15:01
  They,
• 15:02
  they
• 15:02
  never
• 15:02
  are.
• 15:03
  I'm
• 15:03
  like,
• 15:03
  okay,
• 15:03
  I
• 15:04
  didn't
• 15:04
  think
• 15:04
  anything
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  it.
• 15:05
  I
• 15:05
  was
• 15:05
  like,
• 15:05
  okay,
• 15:05
  well
• 15:06
  he's
• 15:06
  just
• 15:06
  a
• 15:06
  really
• 15:07
  good
• 15:07
  fly
• 15:07
  tire.
• 15:08
  And
• 15:08
  then
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  next
• 15:10
  day,
• 15:10
  for
• 15:10
  whatever
• 15:11
  reason
• 15:11
  we
• 15:11
  chose,
• 15:11
  he
• 15:12
  taught
• 15:12
  me
• 15:12
  the
• 15:12
  wit
• 15:12
  hair
• 15:12
  bug.
• 15:13
  And
• 15:13
  I
• 15:14
  was
• 15:14
  like,
• 15:14
  oh,
• 15:14
  what
• 15:14
  happens
• 15:14
  when,
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  know,
• 15:15
  when
• 15:15
  we're
• 15:16
  doing
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  spread
• 15:16
  hackle
• 15:17
  feathers
• 15:17
  for
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  legs?
• 15:18
  I'm
• 15:18
  like,
• 15:18
  what
• 15:18
  happens
• 15:18
  when
• 15:19
  one
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  those
• 15:19
  rolls,
• 15:20
  they
• 15:21
  don't
• 15:21
  roll.
• 15:22
  If
• 15:22
  there's
• 15:22
  a
• 15:23
  problem
• 15:23
  with
• 15:23
  the
• 15:23
  fly,
• 15:23
  stop
• 15:23
  and
• 15:24
  fix
• 15:24
  it.
• 15:25
  And
• 15:25
  I,
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  didn't
• 15:26
  understand
• 15:27
  what
• 15:27
  he
• 15:27
  meant
• 15:27
  kind
• 15:27
  of
• 15:28
  at
• 15:28
  the
• 15:28
  time,
• 15:28
  but
• 15:29
  I
• 15:29
  do
• 15:29
  now
• 15:30
  in
• 15:30
  that
• 15:30
  it's,
• 15:31
  there's.
• 15:32
  Because
• 15:32
  I
• 15:32
  was
• 15:32
  like,
• 15:33
  oh,
• 15:33
  so
• 15:33
  when
• 15:33
  you
• 15:33
  have
• 15:33
  this
• 15:34
  bad
• 15:34
  fly,
• 15:34
  is
• 15:34
  that
• 15:34
  what
• 15:34
  you
• 15:35
  put
• 15:35
  in
• 15:35
  your
• 15:35
  box
• 15:35
  and
• 15:35
  you
• 15:35
  go
• 15:36
  fish
• 15:36
  with.
• 15:37
  And
• 15:37
  he
• 15:37
  got
• 15:38
  up
• 15:38
  from
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  table,
• 15:39
  went
• 15:39
  downstairs,
• 15:40
  came
• 15:40
  back
• 15:40
  three
• 15:41
  minutes
• 15:41
  later
• 15:41
  and
• 15:41
  gave
• 15:41
  me
• 15:41
  his
• 15:42
  fly
• 15:42
  box.
• 15:42
  And
• 15:42
  every
• 15:43
  fly
• 15:43
  in
• 15:43
  it
• 15:43
  was
• 15:43
  perfect.
• 15:44
  Like
• 15:44
  they
• 15:44
  were
• 15:45
  presentation
• 15:46
  quality
• 15:47
  flies.
• 15:47
  I
• 15:47
  was
• 15:47
  like,
• 15:48
  wow.
• 15:50
  And
• 15:50
  his
• 15:50
  point
• 15:50
  is,
• 15:51
  if
• 15:51
  you
• 15:51
  know
• 15:52
  it's
• 15:52
  wrong,
• 15:52
  just
• 15:52
  stop
• 15:52
  it
• 15:52
  and
• 15:53
  fix
• 15:53
  it.
• 15:53
  Undo
• 15:53
  it.
• 15:54
  Take,
• 15:54
  undo
• 15:55
  the
• 15:55
  three
• 15:55
  turns
• 15:55
  that
• 15:55
  just
• 15:55
  put
• 15:55
  it
• 15:56
  on
• 15:56
  there
• 15:56
  and
• 15:56
  fix
• 15:57
  it.
• 15:57
  There's
• 15:58
  no
• 15:58
  reason
• 15:58
  to,
• 15:58
  if
• 15:59
  you
• 15:59
  know
• 15:59
  that
• 15:59
  it's
• 15:59
  wrong,
• 16:00
  there's
• 16:00
  no
• 16:00
  reason
• 16:00
  to
• 16:00
  continue
• 16:01
  moving
• 16:01
  forward
• 16:01
  with
• 16:02
  the
• 16:02
  fly.
• 16:03
  And
• 16:03
  I,
• 16:03
  it's,
• 16:05
  it
• 16:05
  is
• 16:05
  one
• 16:06
  of
• 16:06
  the
• 16:06
  things
• 16:06
  that
• 16:06
  takes
• 16:07
  your
• 16:07
  fly
• 16:07
  tying
• 16:07
  to
• 16:08
  the
• 16:08
  next
• 16:08
  level
• 16:08
  is
• 16:09
  when
• 16:09
  you,
• 16:09
  when
• 16:09
  you
• 16:10
  get
• 16:10
  to
• 16:10
  that
• 16:10
  point
• 16:10
  and
• 16:11
  you
• 16:11
  start
• 16:12
  or,
• 16:12
  and
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  stop
• 16:13
  accepting
• 16:14
  good
• 16:14
  enough
• 16:15
  like
• 16:15
  you,
• 16:15
  you
• 16:16
  can,
• 16:17
  I'm
• 16:17
  not
• 16:17
  saying
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  can
• 16:18
  get
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  perfection,
• 16:19
  but
• 16:19
  you
• 16:19
  can
• 16:19
  get
• 16:19
  to
• 16:20
  really
• 16:21
  consistent
• 16:22
  good
• 16:22
  looking
• 16:23
  flies.
• 16:24
  Yeah.
• 16:25
  It's
• 16:25
  funny
• 16:25
  you
• 16:25
  say
• 16:25
  that
• 16:25
  because
• 16:26
  I've
• 16:26
  taken
• 16:26
  that
• 16:26
  advice
• 16:27
  and
• 16:27
  bought
• 16:27
  razor
• 16:27
  blades
• 16:28
  and
• 16:28
  reclaimed
• 16:28
  a
• 16:28
  bunch
• 16:29
  of
• 16:29
  hooks
• 16:29
  that
• 16:29
  I'm
• 16:29
  now
• 16:30
  trying
• 16:30
  to
• 16:30
  figure
• 16:30
  out
• 16:31
  what
• 16:31
  they
• 16:31
  are.
• 16:31
  And
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  have
• 16:31
  a
• 16:32
  drug
• 16:32
  scale
• 16:33
  so
• 16:33
  that
• 16:33
  I'm
• 16:33
  like,
• 16:34
  you
• 16:34
  know,
• 16:34
  weighing,
• 16:34
  you
• 16:35
  know,
• 16:35
  size
• 16:35
  14
• 16:36
  TMCO,
• 16:37
  you
• 16:37
  know,
• 16:37
  5263s.
• 16:38
  I'm
• 16:38
  like,
• 16:38
  I
• 16:39
  think
• 16:39
  that's
• 16:39
  what
• 16:39
  these
• 16:39
  are.
• 16:39
  So
• 16:41
  yeah,
• 16:42
  here's
• 16:43
  what
• 16:43
  I'll
• 16:43
  tell
• 16:43
  you.
• 16:44
  Hooks
• 16:44
  are
• 16:45
  pennies.
• 16:45
  They're
• 16:45
  10,
• 16:46
  20
• 16:46
  cents
• 16:46
  a
• 16:46
  piece.
• 16:47
  Just
• 16:47
  throw
• 16:47
  them
• 16:47
  out.
• 16:48
  Yeah.
• 16:48
  If
• 16:48
  the,
• 16:48
  if
• 16:48
  you
• 16:49
  go,
• 16:49
  if
• 16:49
  you
• 16:49
  realize
• 16:49
  that
• 16:50
  the
• 16:50
  fly
• 16:50
  is
• 16:50
  bad
• 16:50
  and
• 16:50
  you've
• 16:51
  already
• 16:51
  completed
• 16:51
  it
• 16:51
  and
• 16:52
  it's
• 16:52
  not
• 16:52
  a
• 16:52
  fishable,
• 16:53
  like
• 16:53
  a
• 16:53
  truly
• 16:53
  fishable
• 16:54
  fly,
• 16:54
  just
• 16:54
  throw
• 16:55
  it
• 16:55
  out.
• 16:56
  But
• 16:56
  I
• 16:56
  would
• 16:56
  say
• 16:56
  going
• 16:57
  back
• 16:57
  to
• 16:57
  kind
• 16:57
  of
• 16:57
  that
• 16:57
  frugality
• 16:58
  of
• 16:58
  people
• 16:58
  that
• 16:59
  came
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  age
• 16:59
  during
• 16:59
  the
• 17:00
  Great
• 17:00
  Depression
• 17:00
  like
• 17:01
  you,
• 17:01
  you
• 17:01
  know,
• 17:01
  I've
• 17:01
  heard
• 17:01
  these
• 17:02
  stories
• 17:02
  from
• 17:02
  guys
• 17:02
  that
• 17:02
  fished
• 17:03
  in
• 17:03
  the
• 17:03
  Smokies.
• 17:03
  They
• 17:04
  were
• 17:04
  like,
• 17:04
  it
• 17:04
  wasn't
• 17:05
  that
• 17:05
  they
• 17:06
  were
• 17:06
  cheap,
• 17:06
  right.
• 17:06
  So
• 17:06
  it
• 17:06
  was
• 17:06
  like
• 17:07
  there
• 17:07
  was
• 17:07
  A
• 17:07
  reason
• 17:07
  to
• 17:07
  be
• 17:08
  perfect
• 17:09
  about
• 17:09
  it
• 17:09
  because
• 17:09
  you
• 17:10
  couldn't
• 17:10
  just
• 17:10
  go,
• 17:11
  you
• 17:11
  know,
• 17:11
  get
• 17:11
  50
• 17:12
  more
• 17:12
  hooks.
• 17:12
  Right,
• 17:13
  right.
• 17:13
  And
• 17:13
  that's
• 17:14
  where,
• 17:14
  you
• 17:15
  know,
• 17:15
  I
• 17:15
  was.
• 17:15
  I,
• 17:16
  I
• 17:16
  live
• 17:16
  up
• 17:16
  here
• 17:17
  near
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  Catskills,
• 17:17
  and
• 17:17
  it's,
• 17:18
  it's
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  very
• 17:18
  similar
• 17:19
  thing.
• 17:19
  Everybody
• 17:20
  thinks
• 17:20
  that
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  reason
• 17:20
  why,
• 17:22
  you
• 17:22
  know,
• 17:23
  urine
• 17:23
  stain
• 17:23
  vixen
• 17:24
  fox
• 17:24
  was
• 17:24
  used
• 17:24
  for
• 17:25
  this
• 17:25
  particular
• 17:25
  pattern
• 17:26
  was
• 17:27
  because
• 17:27
  it's
• 17:27
  the
• 17:28
  right
• 17:28
  color
• 17:28
  and
• 17:28
  that's
• 17:29
  part
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  it.
• 17:29
  But
• 17:30
  what
• 17:30
  it
• 17:30
  was
• 17:30
  is
• 17:30
  it
• 17:30
  was
• 17:31
  an
• 17:31
  animal
• 17:31
  that
• 17:31
  was
• 17:32
  available
• 17:32
  locally
• 17:33
  and
• 17:33
  it
• 17:34
  was
• 17:34
  basically
• 17:34
  free
• 17:35
  if
• 17:35
  you
• 17:35
  shot
• 17:35
  it
• 17:36
  or
• 17:36
  trapped
• 17:37
  it
• 17:37
  or.
• 17:37
  Right.
• 17:38
  It
• 17:38
  wasn't
• 17:38
  that
• 17:38
  it
• 17:39
  was
• 17:39
  this
• 17:39
  super
• 17:40
  unique,
• 17:40
  rare
• 17:41
  hair
• 17:41
  that
• 17:41
  we
• 17:41
  think
• 17:41
  of
• 17:41
  it
• 17:42
  as
• 17:42
  it
• 17:42
  is
• 17:42
  now.
• 17:43
  No,
• 17:43
  it
• 17:44
  was
• 17:44
  readily
• 17:44
  available
• 17:45
  to
• 17:45
  them.
• 17:47
  It
• 17:47
  was
• 17:47
  frugality.
• 17:48
  Yeah,
• 17:49
  it's
• 17:49
  really
• 17:49
  neat.
• 17:50
  And
• 17:50
  you
• 17:50
  know,
• 17:50
  the
• 17:50
  interesting
• 17:50
  thing
• 17:51
  too
• 17:51
  about
• 17:51
  Dave
• 17:51
  is
• 17:51
  my
• 17:52
  understanding
• 17:52
  is
• 17:52
  he
• 17:52
  never
• 17:53
  succumbed
• 17:53
  to
• 17:53
  email.
• 17:54
  Right.
• 17:55
  So
• 17:55
  both
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  you
• 17:56
  guys
• 17:56
  have
• 17:57
  extensive
• 17:57
  correspondences
• 17:58
  with
• 17:58
  him.
• 17:59
  And
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  was
• 17:59
  wondering
• 18:00
  if
• 18:00
  you
• 18:00
  could,
• 18:01
  you
• 18:01
  know,
• 18:01
  maybe
• 18:01
  share
• 18:01
  a
• 18:02
  little
• 18:02
  bit
• 18:02
  about
• 18:03
  his
• 18:03
  letters
• 18:04
  with
• 18:04
  you.
• 18:04
  And
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  guess,
• 18:04
  you
• 18:05
  know,
• 18:05
  I'll
• 18:05
  traffic
• 18:06
  cop
• 18:06
  this
• 18:06
  a
• 18:06
  little
• 18:06
  bit.
• 18:06
  Henry,
• 18:07
  why
• 18:07
  don't
• 18:07
  you
• 18:07
  go
• 18:07
  first
• 18:08
  and
• 18:08
  then
• 18:08
  we'll
• 18:08
  let
• 18:08
  Alan
• 18:08
  go.
• 18:10
  Well,
• 18:10
  you
• 18:10
  know,
• 18:10
  I've
• 18:11
  got.
• 18:11
  I
• 18:12
  don't
• 18:12
  know
• 18:12
  how
• 18:12
  many
• 18:12
  letters
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  had
• 18:14
  gotten
• 18:14
  from
• 18:14
  Dave.
• 18:14
  He
• 18:15
  used
• 18:15
  to,
• 18:16
  I
• 18:16
  would
• 18:16
  call
• 18:16
  him
• 18:17
  and
• 18:17
  talk
• 18:17
  to
• 18:17
  him
• 18:17
  on
• 18:17
  the
• 18:17
  phone
• 18:18
  and
• 18:18
  he
• 18:18
  would
• 18:18
  answer
• 18:19
  by
• 18:19
  writing
• 18:19
  a
• 18:19
  letter
• 18:20
  back.
• 18:20
  And
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  letter
• 18:21
  was
• 18:21
  always
• 18:22
  double
• 18:22
  sided.
• 18:23
  You
• 18:23
  know,
• 18:23
  he
• 18:23
  wrote
• 18:23
  on
• 18:24
  both
• 18:24
  sides.
• 18:24
  He'd
• 18:24
  number
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  pages,
• 18:26
  and
• 18:27
  I'd
• 18:27
  never
• 18:27
  get
• 18:27
  a
• 18:28
  letter
• 18:28
  with
• 18:28
  less
• 18:28
  than
• 18:29
  if
• 18:29
  the.
• 18:29
  If,
• 18:30
  if
• 18:30
  one
• 18:30
  page
• 18:31
  would
• 18:32
  have
• 18:32
  two
• 18:32
  numbers,
• 18:32
  would
• 18:33
  have
• 18:33
  one
• 18:33
  on
• 18:34
  the
• 18:34
  front
• 18:34
  side,
• 18:34
  two
• 18:35
  on
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  back
• 18:35
  side.
• 18:36
  I
• 18:36
  never
• 18:36
  got
• 18:36
  a
• 18:37
  letter
• 18:37
  from
• 18:37
  Dave
• 18:37
  with
• 18:38
  less
• 18:38
  than
• 18:38
  eight
• 18:39
  quote
• 18:39
  unquote
• 18:40
  pages
• 18:40
  in
• 18:41
  it.
• 18:41
  He
• 18:41
  just
• 18:41
  loved
• 18:42
  to
• 18:42
  write.
• 18:42
  It
• 18:42
  was
• 18:43
  all
• 18:43
  handwritten,
• 18:43
  not
• 18:44
  typed
• 18:44
  out.
• 18:46
  And
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  lot
• 18:47
  of
• 18:47
  what
• 18:48
  he
• 18:48
  did
• 18:48
  was
• 18:48
  he
• 18:48
  would
• 18:48
  actually
• 18:50
  talk
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  you
• 18:51
  in
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  letter
• 18:51
  where
• 18:52
  you'd
• 18:52
  think
• 18:52
  you
• 18:52
  were
• 18:52
  sitting
• 18:53
  right
• 18:53
  across
• 18:53
  from
• 18:54
  the
• 18:54
  guy.
• 18:54
  I
• 18:54
  mean,
• 18:55
  he'd
• 18:55
  draw
• 18:55
  a
• 18:55
  diagram
• 18:56
  and
• 18:56
  say,
• 18:56
  this
• 18:57
  is
• 18:57
  what
• 18:57
  I'm
• 18:57
  talking
• 18:57
  about
• 18:58
  when
• 18:58
  I
• 18:58
  noticed
• 18:58
  blah,
• 18:59
  blah,
• 18:59
  blah,
• 18:59
  blah,
• 18:59
  blah.
• 19:00
  And
• 19:00
  he'd
• 19:01
  actually
• 19:01
  diagram
• 19:02
  it.
• 19:02
  And
• 19:03
  we
• 19:04
  once
• 19:04
  had
• 19:04
  a
• 19:05
  long
• 19:05
  conversation
• 19:06
  in
• 19:07
  letters
• 19:07
  that
• 19:07
  probably
• 19:07
  went
• 19:08
  on
• 19:08
  for
• 19:08
  over
• 19:08
  a
• 19:08
  month
• 19:09
  about
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  use
• 19:10
  of
• 19:11
  how
• 19:11
  important
• 19:12
  it
• 19:12
  is
• 19:12
  to
• 19:12
  Dave
• 19:14
  when
• 19:14
  you're
• 19:15
  fishing
• 19:15
  for
• 19:15
  freshwater
• 19:16
  striped
• 19:16
  bass
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  make
• 19:17
  sure
• 19:17
  that
• 19:17
  you
• 19:17
  have
• 19:18
  a
• 19:18
  clear
• 19:18
  tip
• 19:19
  intermediate
• 19:20
  line.
• 19:21
  And
• 19:21
  I
• 19:21
  always
• 19:22
  said,
• 19:22
  I
• 19:23
  don't
• 19:23
  think
• 19:23
  my,
• 19:23
  my
• 19:23
  fish
• 19:24
  give
• 19:25
  a,
• 19:25
  give
• 19:25
  a
• 19:25
  hoot
• 19:26
  whether
• 19:26
  it's
• 19:26
  a
• 19:27
  clear
• 19:27
  tip
• 19:27
  or,
• 19:28
  you
• 19:28
  know,
• 19:28
  whatever
• 19:29
  colored
• 19:29
  tip.
• 19:29
  And
• 19:29
  he's,
• 19:30
  oh,
• 19:30
  no,
• 19:30
  no,
• 19:30
  no.
• 19:30
  And
• 19:30
  it
• 19:31
  Was
• 19:31
  all
• 19:31
  in.
• 19:31
  There
• 19:32
  was
• 19:32
  no
• 19:32
  arguing
• 19:33
  because
• 19:33
  it
• 19:33
  was
• 19:33
  all
• 19:33
  in
• 19:34
  letters
• 19:34
  back
• 19:34
  and
• 19:34
  forth
• 19:35
  to
• 19:35
  one
• 19:35
  another.
• 19:36
  You
• 19:36
  know,
• 19:36
  I
• 19:37
  would,
• 19:37
  I
• 19:37
  would
• 19:38
  write
• 19:38
  back
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  him
• 19:39
  and
• 19:39
  say,
• 19:39
  you
• 19:39
  know,
• 19:39
  Dave,
• 19:40
  I
• 19:40
  understand
• 19:41
  everything
• 19:41
  you're
• 19:41
  saying,
• 19:41
  but
• 19:42
  I
• 19:42
  think
• 19:42
  you're
• 19:42
  wrong
• 19:42
  here.
• 19:43
  No,
• 19:43
  Henry,
• 19:43
  I'm
• 19:43
  not
• 19:44
  wrong.
• 19:44
  And
• 19:44
  I'll
• 19:44
  tell
• 19:44
  you,
• 19:45
  it
• 19:45
  was
• 19:45
  just
• 19:45
  great.
• 19:46
  So
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  had
• 19:47
  conversations
• 19:48
  the
• 19:49
  old
• 19:49
  fashioned
• 19:50
  way,
• 19:50
  if
• 19:50
  you
• 19:50
  will.
• 19:51
  Yeah,
• 19:52
  it's
• 19:52
  funny
• 19:52
  you
• 19:52
  say
• 19:52
  that.
• 19:53
  Cause
• 19:53
  it
• 19:53
  makes
• 19:53
  me
• 19:53
  think
• 19:53
  about
• 19:53
  when
• 19:54
  I
• 19:54
  was
• 19:54
  a
• 19:54
  kid
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  we
• 19:54
  would
• 19:54
  like
• 19:55
  come
• 19:55
  home
• 19:55
  from
• 19:55
  my
• 19:55
  grandmother's
• 19:56
  and
• 19:56
  we
• 19:56
  would,
• 19:56
  person
• 19:56
  to
• 19:57
  person,
• 19:57
  call
• 19:57
  ourselves
• 19:57
  back
• 19:58
  and
• 19:58
  we
• 19:58
  weren't
• 19:58
  there.
• 19:58
  And
• 19:59
  that
• 19:59
  was
• 19:59
  how
• 19:59
  we
• 19:59
  let
• 19:59
  people,
• 20:00
  you
• 20:00
  know,
• 20:00
  know
• 20:00
  that
• 20:01
  we
• 20:01
  were
• 20:01
  home.
• 20:01
  Because
• 20:01
  phone
• 20:01
  calls
• 20:02
  were
• 20:02
  really
• 20:02
  expensive
• 20:03
  until
• 20:03
  they
• 20:03
  broke
• 20:04
  up
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  bells.
• 20:05
  But
• 20:05
  you
• 20:05
  know
• 20:05
  what?
• 20:06
  I'll
• 20:06
  tell
• 20:06
  you
• 20:06
  one
• 20:06
  thing,
• 20:07
  Marvin,
• 20:07
  is
• 20:07
  that
• 20:08
  he
• 20:08
  was
• 20:10
  unbelievably
• 20:11
  kind,
• 20:12
  complimentary,
• 20:14
  transparent
• 20:15
  and
• 20:16
  incredibly
• 20:16
  respectful
• 20:17
  of
• 20:18
  your
• 20:18
  opinion.
• 20:18
  Whether
• 20:18
  he
• 20:19
  agreed
• 20:19
  or
• 20:19
  he
• 20:20
  didn't
• 20:20
  agree.
• 20:21
  There
• 20:21
  was
• 20:21
  no
• 20:22
  meanness
• 20:23
  to
• 20:23
  it.
• 20:23
  It
• 20:23
  was
• 20:23
  just
• 20:24
  like,
• 20:24
  you
• 20:25
  know,
• 20:25
  Henry,
• 20:26
  I
• 20:26
  mean,
• 20:26
  if
• 20:26
  it
• 20:26
  works,
• 20:27
  that's
• 20:27
  fine.
• 20:27
  But
• 20:27
  I,
• 20:28
  I
• 20:28
  wouldn't,
• 20:28
  you
• 20:28
  wouldn't
• 20:29
  catch
• 20:29
  me
• 20:29
  out
• 20:29
  there
• 20:29
  without
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  clear
• 20:30
  tip
• 20:30
  intermediate
• 20:31
  and
• 20:32
  you
• 20:32
  know,
• 20:32
  of
• 20:33
  that
• 20:33
  extent.
• 20:34
  But,
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:35
  it
• 20:35
  wasn't
• 20:35
  like,
• 20:35
  are
• 20:35
  you
• 20:35
  crazy?
• 20:36
  You're
• 20:36
  not
• 20:36
  going
• 20:36
  to,
• 20:37
  you
• 20:37
  know,
• 20:37
  he's
• 20:37
  not
• 20:37
  like
• 20:38
  Allan
• 20:38
  from
• 20:39
  New
• 20:39
  York
• 20:39
  State
• 20:39
  where
• 20:40
  he
• 20:41
  tell
• 20:41
  me
• 20:41
  to
• 20:41
  go,
• 20:41
  forget
• 20:42
  about
• 20:42
  it,
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  know.
• 20:44
  Yeah.
• 20:45
  So,
• 20:45
  so
• 20:45
  Alan,
• 20:45
  how
• 20:46
  about
• 20:46
  you?
• 20:47
  You
• 20:47
  know,
• 20:47
  I'm
• 20:47
  going
• 20:48
  to
• 20:48
  add
• 20:48
  to
• 20:48
  it
• 20:49
  just
• 20:49
  a
• 20:49
  little
• 20:49
  bit
• 20:49
  because
• 20:50
  it's
• 20:50
  the
• 20:51
  letter
• 20:51
  I
• 20:51
  was
• 20:51
  thinking
• 20:51
  about
• 20:52
  is
• 20:53
  when
• 20:53
  I
• 20:53
  was,
• 20:53
  when
• 20:53
  he
• 20:53
  was
• 20:54
  teaching
• 20:54
  me
• 20:54
  the
• 20:54
  sheep
• 20:54
  shad,
• 20:55
  both
• 20:55
  the,
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  swimmer,
• 20:56
  the
• 20:56
  deep
• 20:57
  and
• 20:57
  the,
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  waker,
• 20:59
  I
• 20:59
  was
• 20:59
  tying
• 21:00
  it
• 21:00
  and
• 21:00
  I
• 21:00
  was,
• 21:01
  I
• 21:01
  kept
• 21:02
  placing
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  eye
• 21:02
  in
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  wrong
• 21:03
  place,
• 21:04
  right.
• 21:05
  And,
• 21:06
  and,
• 21:06
  and
• 21:06
  I
• 21:07
  was
• 21:07
  putting
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  dot
• 21:07
  in
• 21:07
  the
• 21:07
  wrong
• 21:08
  place
• 21:08
  as
• 21:08
  well,
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  operculum
• 21:09
  spot.
• 21:09
  So
• 21:10
  I,
• 21:11
  you
• 21:11
  know,
• 21:11
  he
• 21:12
  had
• 21:12
  sent
• 21:12
  me
• 21:12
  a
• 21:12
  bunch
• 21:12
  of,
• 21:12
  you
• 21:13
  know,
• 21:13
  he
• 21:13
  showed
• 21:13
  me
• 21:13
  it,
• 21:13
  he'd
• 21:14
  sent
• 21:14
  me
• 21:14
  a
• 21:14
  bunch
• 21:14
  of
• 21:14
  samples
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  every
• 21:15
  size,
• 21:16
  of
• 21:16
  every,
• 21:16
  you
• 21:17
  know,
• 21:17
  version
• 21:19
  for
• 21:19
  me
• 21:19
  to
• 21:19
  have
• 21:19
  as,
• 21:20
  you
• 21:20
  know,
• 21:20
  t
• 21:20
  to
• 21:21
  tie
• 21:21
  to.
• 21:22
  And
• 21:22
  I
• 21:22
  wasn't
• 21:23
  seeing
• 21:23
  the
• 21:23
  fly.
• 21:24
  Right.
• 21:24
  So
• 21:25
  all
• 21:25
  of
• 21:25
  a
• 21:25
  sudden
• 21:25
  what
• 21:26
  I
• 21:26
  get
• 21:26
  back
• 21:27
  is
• 21:28
  about
• 21:28
  a
• 21:28
  five
• 21:28
  or
• 21:29
  six
• 21:29
  page
• 21:29
  letter
• 21:30
  that
• 21:31
  hit
• 21:31
  eight
• 21:31
  topics
• 21:32
  that
• 21:32
  we
• 21:32
  were
• 21:32
  talking
• 21:32
  about.
• 21:33
  But
• 21:33
  in
• 21:33
  it,
• 21:34
  it
• 21:34
  was
• 21:34
  like
• 21:34
  Henry
• 21:35
  just
• 21:35
  said,
• 21:35
  he
• 21:35
  had
• 21:35
  drawn
• 21:36
  a
• 21:36
  picture
• 21:36
  of
• 21:36
  the
• 21:37
  fit
• 21:37
  of
• 21:37
  a
• 21:37
  shad
• 21:38
  with
• 21:38
  an
• 21:38
  eyeball
• 21:39
  and
• 21:39
  an
• 21:39
  operculum
• 21:40
  spot
• 21:40
  on
• 21:40
  there
• 21:41
  in
• 21:41
  the
• 21:41
  right
• 21:41
  place.
• 21:41
  He
• 21:41
  goes,
• 21:42
  alan,
• 21:42
  pay
• 21:43
  attention.
• 21:43
  And
• 21:43
  he
• 21:43
  goes.
• 21:43
  And
• 21:44
  I
• 21:44
  drew
• 21:44
  a
• 21:44
  halfway
• 21:45
  line
• 21:45
  through
• 21:45
  it.
• 21:46
  Look
• 21:46
  at
• 21:46
  where
• 21:46
  the
• 21:47
  eye
• 21:47
  is
• 21:47
  compared
• 21:47
  to
• 21:47
  that
• 21:48
  halfway
• 21:48
  line.
• 21:48
  And
• 21:48
  look
• 21:48
  where
• 21:49
  the
• 21:49
  operculum
• 21:49
  spot
• 21:49
  is
• 21:50
  compared
• 21:50
  to
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  halfway
• 21:50
  line.
• 21:51
  You
• 21:51
  know,
• 21:51
  they
• 21:52
  need
• 21:52
  to
• 21:52
  be
• 21:52
  a.
• 21:52
  Above
• 21:53
  that.
• 21:53
  Like
• 21:53
  he
• 21:53
  had.
• 21:54
  He
• 21:54
  was
• 21:54
  so
• 21:54
  meticulous
• 21:55
  about
• 21:55
  where
• 21:55
  that
• 21:55
  needed
• 21:55
  to
• 21:56
  be
• 21:57
  and
• 21:57
  where
• 21:57
  he
• 21:58
  wanted
• 21:58
  it
• 21:58
  on
• 21:58
  his
• 21:58
  fly.
• 21:59
  You
• 21:59
  know,
• 21:59
  Alan,
• 22:00
  that
• 22:00
  goes
• 22:00
  back
• 22:01
  to
• 22:01
  what
• 22:01
  you
• 22:01
  were
• 22:01
  talking
• 22:01
  about
• 22:02
  before
• 22:02
  about
• 22:02
  tying
• 22:03
  a
• 22:03
  fly,
• 22:03
  Right?
• 22:03
  He
• 22:04
  was
• 22:04
  a
• 22:04
  perfectionist,
• 22:05
  obviously.
• 22:06
  Yeah,
• 22:07
  absolutely.
• 22:09
  Yeah.
• 22:10
  Yes.
• 22:11
  And.
• 22:11
  And
• 22:12
  that
• 22:12
  was.
• 22:12
  That
• 22:12
  was
• 22:13
  one
• 22:13
  of
• 22:13
  my
• 22:13
  favorite
• 22:13
  letters
• 22:13
  I
• 22:14
  got
• 22:14
  from
• 22:14
  him
• 22:14
  because
• 22:15
  it
• 22:15
  was.
• 22:16
  It
• 22:16
  was
• 22:16
  one
• 22:16
  of
• 22:16
  those
• 22:16
  eight
• 22:17
  pagers.
• 22:17
  And
• 22:17
  it's
• 22:17
  also
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  only
• 22:18
  one
• 22:18
  that
• 22:18
  he
• 22:19
  ever
• 22:19
  did
• 22:19
  for
• 22:19
  me
• 22:20
  where
• 22:20
  on
• 22:21
  the
• 22:22
  outside
• 22:22
  of
• 22:22
  the
• 22:22
  letter
• 22:23
  on
• 22:23
  the
• 22:23
  envelope,
• 22:24
  he.
• 22:25
  He
• 22:25
  would
• 22:26
  sometimes
• 22:26
  give
• 22:26
  somebody
• 22:27
  a
• 22:27
  colored
• 22:27
  pencil
• 22:27
  drawing.
• 22:29
  And
• 22:29
  then
• 22:29
  he'd
• 22:29
  put.
• 22:30
  He
• 22:30
  had
• 22:30
  a
• 22:30
  clear
• 22:31
  spray
• 22:31
  that
• 22:31
  he
• 22:31
  would
• 22:31
  put
• 22:31
  over
• 22:32
  it
• 22:32
  that
• 22:32
  would
• 22:32
  protect
• 22:32
  it.
• 22:33
  That
• 22:33
  was
• 22:33
  the
• 22:33
  only
• 22:33
  letter
• 22:34
  I
• 22:34
  ever
• 22:34
  had
• 22:34
  that
• 22:35
  had
• 22:35
  the
• 22:35
  drawing
• 22:36
  on
• 22:36
  the.
• 22:36
  On
• 22:36
  the
• 22:36
  letter
• 22:37
  on
• 22:37
  the
• 22:37
  envelope.
• 22:37
  So
• 22:38
  that
• 22:38
  was.
• 22:38
  That
• 22:39
  was
• 22:39
  a
• 22:39
  cool
• 22:39
  one
• 22:39
  to
• 22:40
  get.
• 22:40
  It
• 22:40
  was
• 22:40
  a
• 22:40
  rainbow
• 22:41
  trout
• 22:41
  leaping
• 22:41
  out
• 22:41
  of.
• 22:42
  I
• 22:42
  don't
• 22:42
  remember
• 22:42
  if
• 22:43
  it's
• 22:43
  eating
• 22:43
  an
• 22:43
  insect
• 22:43
  or
• 22:44
  not.
• 22:44
  But
• 22:44
  he.
• 22:46
  I
• 22:47
  later
• 22:47
  asked
• 22:47
  him.
• 22:47
  He.
• 22:48
  The
• 22:48
  trout
• 22:49
  had
• 22:49
  scales
• 22:49
  on
• 22:50
  it.
• 22:50
  I'm
• 22:50
  like,
• 22:50
  this
• 22:50
  is
• 22:51
  colored
• 22:51
  pencil.
• 22:51
  How
• 22:51
  did
• 22:52
  you.
• 22:52
  And
• 22:52
  he
• 22:52
  showed
• 22:53
  me.
• 22:53
  He
• 22:53
  would
• 22:53
  take
• 22:53
  his
• 22:53
  bodkin
• 22:54
  and
• 22:55
  scratch
• 22:55
  the
• 22:55
  paper.
• 22:56
  So
• 22:56
  it
• 22:56
  was
• 22:56
  like
• 22:56
  an
• 22:57
  embossing
• 22:58
  to
• 22:58
  get.
• 22:59
  Incredible.
• 22:59
  Yeah.
• 23:00
  And
• 23:01
  every
• 23:01
  letter
• 23:02
  he
• 23:02
  signed
• 23:03
  would
• 23:04
  say.
• 23:04
  When
• 23:05
  he
• 23:05
  was
• 23:05
  ending,
• 23:05
  he'd
• 23:06
  just
• 23:06
  say,
• 23:06
  henry,
• 23:07
  I
• 23:07
  love
• 23:07
  you.
• 23:08
  And
• 23:08
  then
• 23:08
  he'd
• 23:08
  say,
• 23:09
  Dave
• 23:09
  Whitlock,
• 23:10
  and
• 23:10
  he'd
• 23:10
  draw
• 23:10
  a
• 23:10
  little
• 23:10
  fish
• 23:11
  under
• 23:11
  his
• 23:11
  name
• 23:11
  and
• 23:12
  blah,
• 23:12
  blah,
• 23:12
  blah,
• 23:12
  blah.
• 23:13
  But
• 23:13
  every.
• 23:14
  No,
• 23:14
  not
• 23:15
  most
• 23:15
  of
• 23:15
  them.
• 23:16
  Every
• 23:16
  single
• 23:17
  one
• 23:17
  was
• 23:17
  I
• 23:18
  love
• 23:18
  you.
• 23:18
  I
• 23:18
  mean,
• 23:18
  he
• 23:19
  was
• 23:19
  so
• 23:19
  appreciative
• 23:20
  of
• 23:21
  his
• 23:21
  friends.
• 23:22
  And
• 23:22
  he
• 23:23
  meant
• 23:23
  it.
• 23:23
  You
• 23:23
  know,
• 23:23
  he
• 23:24
  really
• 23:24
  meant
• 23:24
  it.
• 23:25
  That
• 23:25
  was
• 23:25
  Dave.
• 23:25
  He's,
• 23:26
  you
• 23:26
  know,
• 23:27
  of
• 23:27
  all
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  icons
• 23:28
  out
• 23:28
  there,
• 23:28
  Marvin.
• 23:29
  And,
• 23:29
  you
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:30
  I
• 23:30
  was
• 23:30
  very
• 23:31
  close
• 23:31
  with
• 23:31
  Lefty.
• 23:32
  I'm
• 23:32
  just
• 23:33
  telling
• 23:33
  you,
• 23:35
  Dave
• 23:35
  was
• 23:35
  the
• 23:36
  sweetest
• 23:36
  of
• 23:37
  them
• 23:37
  all.
• 23:37
  There
• 23:37
  was
• 23:38
  no
• 23:39
  nicer,
• 23:39
  kinder
• 23:40
  human
• 23:41
  being
• 23:41
  that.
• 23:41
  That
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  had
• 23:42
  met
• 23:42
  in
• 23:42
  the
• 23:43
  fishing
• 23:43
  world
• 23:45
  than.
• 23:46
  Than
• 23:47
  Dave
• 23:47
  Whitlock.
• 23:47
  Maybe
• 23:48
  Joe
• 23:48
  Maz.
• 23:48
  But
• 23:49
  outside
• 23:49
  of
• 23:50
  Joe
• 23:50
  Maz,
• 23:50
  definitely
• 23:51
  Dave
• 23:51
  Whitlock.
• 23:52
  I'll
• 23:53
  throw
• 23:53
  Emily
• 23:53
  Whitlock
• 23:54
  in
• 23:54
  there.
• 23:54
  Yes.
• 23:56
  He
• 23:56
  chose
• 23:56
  the
• 23:56
  right
• 23:57
  lady
• 23:57
  there.
• 23:57
  She's
• 23:57
  super
• 23:58
  sweet.
• 23:58
  So
• 23:59
  I.
• 23:59
  I
• 24:00
  agree.
• 24:01
  The
• 24:01
  other
• 24:01
  thing
• 24:01
  I'll
• 24:02
  say
• 24:02
  is
• 24:02
  he
• 24:02
  was.
• 24:04
  He
• 24:04
  was
• 24:04
  genuine
• 24:05
  in
• 24:05
  his
• 24:05
  desire
• 24:06
  to
• 24:08
  get
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  the
• 24:10
  point
• 24:10
  where
• 24:10
  he
• 24:10
  wanted
• 24:11
  you
• 24:11
  to
• 24:11
  understand
• 24:11
  what
• 24:11
  it
• 24:11
  is
• 24:12
  he
• 24:12
  was
• 24:12
  teaching
• 24:12
  you.
• 24:13
  He
• 24:13
  realized
• 24:13
  that
• 24:13
  sometimes
• 24:14
  it's
• 24:14
  going
• 24:14
  to
• 24:14
  take
• 24:14
  four
• 24:15
  conversations,
• 24:16
  it's
• 24:16
  going
• 24:16
  to
• 24:16
  take
• 24:16
  five
• 24:17
  months,
• 24:17
  and
• 24:18
  he
• 24:18
  didn't
• 24:18
  push
• 24:18
  it.
• 24:19
  Like,
• 24:19
  he
• 24:19
  let
• 24:20
  it
• 24:20
  happen
• 24:20
  on
• 24:20
  its
• 24:21
  own.
• 24:23
  He.
• 24:24
  At
• 24:24
  one
• 24:24
  point,
• 24:24
  he
• 24:25
  was
• 24:25
  talking
• 24:25
  to
• 24:26
  me
• 24:26
  and
• 24:27
  he
• 24:27
  was
• 24:27
  telling
• 24:27
  me
• 24:27
  how
• 24:28
  I
• 24:29
  was
• 24:29
  at,
• 24:29
  you
• 24:29
  know,
• 24:29
  we
• 24:29
  were
• 24:29
  talking
• 24:30
  about
• 24:30
  his
• 24:30
  drawing
• 24:31
  and
• 24:31
  his
• 24:31
  painting
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  all
• 24:32
  of
• 24:32
  that
• 24:33
  in
• 24:33
  the
• 24:33
  art
• 24:33
  side
• 24:33
  of
• 24:34
  his
• 24:34
  business
• 24:35
  and
• 24:35
  his
• 24:35
  passion.
• 24:36
  And
• 24:37
  then
• 24:37
  I
• 24:37
  was
• 24:37
  talking
• 24:37
  about
• 24:37
  fly
• 24:38
  tying
• 24:38
  and
• 24:38
  how
• 24:39
  it's,
• 24:39
  you
• 24:39
  know,
• 24:40
  for
• 24:40
  me,
• 24:41
  our
• 24:41
  fly
• 24:42
  tying
• 24:43
  at
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  time
• 24:44
  was
• 24:44
  very
• 24:44
  much
• 24:44
  a
• 24:45
  copycat
• 24:45
  thing.
• 24:46
  I
• 24:46
  copy
• 24:47
  Lefty's
• 24:48
  Deceiver
• 24:49
  very
• 24:49
  well.
• 24:49
  I
• 24:50
  do
• 24:50
  the
• 24:50
  Half
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  Half
• 24:50
  very
• 24:51
  well.
• 24:51
  I
• 24:51
  do
• 24:51
  the
• 24:51
  Clouser
• 24:52
  Minnow
• 24:52
  well.
• 24:52
  Right.
• 24:52
  I
• 24:53
  can
• 24:53
  copy
• 24:53
  things.
• 24:54
  At
• 24:54
  the
• 24:54
  time,
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  wasn't
• 24:55
  very.
• 24:56
  I
• 24:56
  didn't
• 24:56
  have
• 24:56
  a
• 24:56
  lot
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  good
• 24:57
  own.
• 24:57
  Of
• 24:57
  good
• 24:58
  ideas
• 24:58
  of
• 24:58
  my
• 24:58
  own.
• 24:59
  Even
• 24:59
  though
• 24:59
  I've
• 24:59
  been
• 24:59
  tying
• 25:00
  at
• 25:00
  this
• 25:00
  point,
• 25:00
  I'm
• 25:01
  think
• 25:01
  this
• 25:01
  is
• 25:01
  my
• 25:02
  37th
• 25:02
  year
• 25:02
  or
• 25:03
  36th
• 25:03
  year
• 25:03
  tying.
• 25:05
  But
• 25:05
  it,
• 25:05
  like,
• 25:06
  I
• 25:06
  just.
• 25:06
  I've
• 25:06
  never
• 25:06
  been,
• 25:08
  you
• 25:08
  know,
• 25:08
  creative
• 25:09
  like
• 25:09
  that.
• 25:10
  And
• 25:10
  he
• 25:10
  goes,
• 25:11
  no,
• 25:11
  Alan,
• 25:11
  you're
• 25:11
  fly
• 25:12
  tying
• 25:12
  is
• 25:12
  an
• 25:12
  art.
• 25:12
  And
• 25:12
  I
• 25:13
  was
• 25:13
  like,
• 25:14
  I.
• 25:14
  I
• 25:14
  said
• 25:14
  I
• 25:15
  didn't
• 25:15
  think
• 25:15
  it
• 25:15
  was.
• 25:16
  And
• 25:16
  he
• 25:17
  mentioned
• 25:17
  it
• 25:17
  to
• 25:17
  me
• 25:17
  again
• 25:18
  a
• 25:18
  month
• 25:18
  or
• 25:18
  two
• 25:18
  later.
• 25:18
  And
• 25:19
  then
• 25:19
  like
• 25:19
  three
• 25:19
  months
• 25:20
  into
• 25:20
  this,
• 25:20
  all
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  a
• 25:20
  sudden,
• 25:21
  when.
• 25:21
  When
• 25:22
  I'm
• 25:22
  doing
• 25:23
  a
• 25:23
  deer
• 25:23
  hair
• 25:23
  fly
• 25:24
  of
• 25:24
  his,
• 25:24
  one
• 25:25
  of
• 25:25
  his
• 25:25
  waking
• 25:26
  bluegills,
• 25:26
  and
• 25:27
  I'm.
• 25:27
  I'm
• 25:28
  seeing
• 25:28
  how
• 25:28
  I
• 25:28
  can
• 25:28
  add
• 25:29
  blue
• 25:29
  to
• 25:29
  get
• 25:30
  stripes
• 25:30
  to
• 25:30
  go
• 25:30
  down
• 25:30
  the
• 25:31
  cheek
• 25:31
  like
• 25:31
  a
• 25:31
  bluegill
• 25:32
  has.
• 25:32
  He's
• 25:33
  like,
• 25:33
  you
• 25:33
  can
• 25:33
  make
• 25:33
  stripes
• 25:33
  if
• 25:33
  you
• 25:33
  want,
• 25:34
  Alan.
• 25:34
  This
• 25:34
  is
• 25:34
  how.
• 25:34
  And
• 25:34
  he
• 25:34
  showed
• 25:35
  me
• 25:35
  how
• 25:35
  to
• 25:35
  make
• 25:35
  stripes.
• 25:35
  He
• 25:36
  goes,
• 25:36
  you
• 25:36
  don't
• 25:36
  need
• 25:37
  to
• 25:37
  very
• 25:37
  often,
• 25:37
  but
• 25:37
  it
• 25:37
  does
• 25:38
  make
• 25:38
  the
• 25:38
  fly
• 25:38
  look
• 25:38
  pretty.
• 25:38
  And
• 25:39
  sometimes
• 25:39
  we
• 25:39
  like
• 25:39
  to
• 25:39
  fish
• 25:40
  pretty
• 25:40
  flies.
• 25:42
  But
• 25:42
  I
• 25:43
  realized
• 25:43
  then
• 25:43
  that
• 25:44
  fly
• 25:44
  tying
• 25:45
  is
• 25:45
  art.
• 25:46
  It's
• 25:46
  just
• 25:46
  a
• 25:46
  different
• 25:47
  form
• 25:47
  than
• 25:47
  the
• 25:48
  colored
• 25:48
  pencils
• 25:48
  or
• 25:49
  the
• 25:49
  acrylics
• 25:49
  that
• 25:49
  he
• 25:49
  worked
• 25:50
  with.
• 25:50
  It
• 25:50
  was
• 25:50
  just
• 25:50
  a
• 25:50
  different
• 25:51
  medium.
• 25:51
  I
• 25:52
  agree.
• 25:53
  I
• 25:53
  totally
• 25:53
  agree.
• 25:54
  Yeah,
• 25:55
  it's
• 25:55
  really
• 25:56
  neat.
• 25:56
  And,
• 25:56
  you
• 25:56
  know.
• 25:57
  Alan,
• 25:57
  do
• 25:58
  you
• 25:58
  have
• 25:58
  a
• 25:58
  favorite
• 25:58
  memory
• 25:59
  of
• 25:59
  Dave?
• 26:01
  Oh,
• 26:02
  goodness.
• 26:04
  It's
• 26:05
  really
• 26:05
  difficult
• 26:05
  to
• 26:06
  choose.
• 26:08
  It
• 26:08
  really
• 26:08
  is.
• 26:09
  But
• 26:11
  my.
• 26:11
  My
• 26:11
  favorite
• 26:11
  memory
• 26:12
  is
• 26:12
  one
• 26:12
  time
• 26:13
  we
• 26:13
  got
• 26:13
  to
• 26:13
  go
• 26:13
  fishing
• 26:14
  together,
• 26:15
  and
• 26:16
  he
• 26:17
  paddled
• 26:18
  me
• 26:18
  around
• 26:18
  the.
• 26:19
  He
• 26:19
  had
• 26:19
  a
• 26:19
  private
• 26:20
  pond
• 26:20
  there
• 26:20
  on
• 26:20
  the
• 26:21
  property
• 26:21
  that
• 26:21
  he
• 26:21
  lived
• 26:21
  ON
• 26:22
  that
• 26:23
  was
• 26:23
  Mr.
• 26:23
  Nichols
• 26:23
  Pond.
• 26:24
  And
• 26:24
  we
• 26:24
  went
• 26:25
  over
• 26:25
  there
• 26:25
  and,
• 26:28
  I
• 26:28
  mean,
• 26:28
  I
• 26:28
  caught
• 26:30
  15
• 26:30
  bass
• 26:31
  over
• 26:31
  five
• 26:31
  pounds
• 26:31
  all
• 26:32
  on
• 26:32
  top.
• 26:32
  Water
• 26:32
  flies
• 26:33
  in
• 26:34
  two
• 26:34
  hours.
• 26:35
  It
• 26:36
  was.
• 26:36
  It's
• 26:37
  just
• 26:37
  one
• 26:37
  heck
• 26:37
  of
• 26:38
  a
• 26:38
  little
• 26:38
  pond,
• 26:38
  right?
• 26:39
  I
• 26:39
  mean,
• 26:39
  wasn't
• 26:40
  very
• 26:40
  big.
• 26:40
  We're
• 26:40
  sitting
• 26:40
  in
• 26:41
  a
• 26:41
  canoe
• 26:41
  and
• 26:42
  like
• 26:42
  four
• 26:43
  or
• 26:43
  five,
• 26:43
  six
• 26:43
  times
• 26:44
  I
• 26:44
  turn,
• 26:44
  turn
• 26:44
  to
• 26:45
  him
• 26:45
  and
• 26:45
  go,
• 26:45
  Dave,
• 26:46
  let's
• 26:46
  go
• 26:46
  to
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  shore.
• 26:46
  Let's
• 26:47
  switch.
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  want
• 26:47
  you
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  fish.
• 26:48
  It's
• 26:48
  like,
• 26:48
  no,
• 26:49
  Alan,
• 26:49
  I.
• 26:49
  I'd
• 26:49
  rather
• 26:50
  watch
• 26:50
  you
• 26:50
  fish
• 26:50
  right
• 26:50
  now.
• 26:52
  And,
• 26:52
  and
• 26:52
  it
• 26:52
  was
• 26:53
  my
• 26:53
  first
• 26:53
  time
• 26:53
  fishing
• 26:54
  around
• 26:54
  Dave.
• 26:55
  It
• 26:55
  was
• 26:55
  quite
• 26:56
  stressful
• 26:56
  because
• 26:57
  I'm.
• 26:57
  I'm
• 26:58
  not
• 26:58
  the
• 26:58
  best
• 26:58
  canoe
• 26:58
  angler.
• 26:59
  I'm
• 26:59
  not
• 27:00
  gonna
• 27:00
  lie.
• 27:00
  I'm
• 27:01
  okay.
• 27:02
  And
• 27:02
  if
• 27:02
  this
• 27:02
  wasn't
• 27:02
  the
• 27:03
  world's
• 27:03
  most
• 27:03
  stable
• 27:03
  canoe.
• 27:05
  And
• 27:06
  I
• 27:06
  got
• 27:06
  out
• 27:06
  at
• 27:07
  the
• 27:07
  end
• 27:07
  and
• 27:07
  he
• 27:07
  goes,
• 27:07
  alan,
• 27:07
  I
• 27:07
  was
• 27:08
  impressed.
• 27:08
  Your.
• 27:08
  Your
• 27:09
  casting
• 27:09
  wasn't
• 27:09
  too
• 27:09
  bad.
• 27:10
  You,
• 27:10
  you
• 27:10
  didn't
• 27:10
  rock
• 27:10
  the
• 27:11
  boat
• 27:11
  much.
• 27:11
  I
• 27:11
  said,
• 27:11
  well,
• 27:11
  yeah,
• 27:12
  in
• 27:12
  a
• 27:12
  canoe
• 27:12
  I
• 27:12
  know
• 27:12
  you
• 27:12
  can
• 27:12
  only
• 27:13
  cast
• 27:13
  with
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  army.
• 27:13
  You
• 27:13
  can't
• 27:14
  use
• 27:14
  any
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  your
• 27:14
  body.
• 27:15
  It
• 27:15
  was
• 27:15
  correct.
• 27:16
  You
• 27:16
  can't.
• 27:17
  Was.
• 27:17
  But.
• 27:18
  So
• 27:18
  that
• 27:19
  was,
• 27:19
  that
• 27:19
  was
• 27:19
  one
• 27:20
  of
• 27:20
  my
• 27:20
  favorite
• 27:20
  memories
• 27:20
  of
• 27:21
  him
• 27:21
  is
• 27:21
  he
• 27:21
  just,
• 27:22
  he
• 27:23
  wouldn't.
• 27:24
  He
• 27:24
  wanted
• 27:24
  to
• 27:24
  see
• 27:24
  me
• 27:25
  succeed.
• 27:25
  He
• 27:25
  wanted
• 27:25
  to
• 27:26
  share
• 27:26
  those
• 27:26
  fish
• 27:26
  with
• 27:26
  me,
• 27:27
  which
• 27:27
  was
• 27:27
  cool.
• 27:28
  And
• 27:28
  I
• 27:29
  caught
• 27:29
  all
• 27:29
  the
• 27:29
  flies
• 27:30
  or
• 27:30
  all
• 27:30
  the
• 27:30
  fish
• 27:30
  were
• 27:31
  caught
• 27:31
  on
• 27:31
  flies
• 27:31
  that
• 27:31
  he
• 27:32
  tied
• 27:32
  because
• 27:33
  I
• 27:33
  showed
• 27:33
  up
• 27:33
  that
• 27:33
  for
• 27:34
  that
• 27:34
  trip
• 27:34
  I
• 27:34
  didn't
• 27:34
  bring
• 27:35
  any
• 27:35
  of
• 27:35
  my
• 27:35
  own
• 27:35
  fishing
• 27:35
  gear.
• 27:36
  And
• 27:36
  I
• 27:37
  was
• 27:37
  sitting
• 27:37
  there
• 27:37
  in
• 27:37
  jeans
• 27:37
  and
• 27:38
  a
• 27:38
  button
• 27:38
  down
• 27:38
  shirt,
• 27:39
  you
• 27:40
  know,
• 27:40
  looking
• 27:40
  to
• 27:40
  tie
• 27:40
  flies
• 27:41
  all
• 27:41
  day.
• 27:41
  He
• 27:42
  goes,
• 27:42
  and
• 27:43
  let's
• 27:43
  go
• 27:43
  fish
• 27:44
  instead.
• 27:44
  Like,
• 27:45
  okay,
• 27:46
  very
• 27:46
  neat.
• 27:47
  Henry,
• 27:47
  how
• 27:47
  about
• 27:47
  you?
• 27:49
  Well,
• 27:50
  it's
• 27:50
  hard
• 27:50
  to
• 27:51
  pick
• 27:51
  one
• 27:51
  story
• 27:52
  with
• 27:52
  Dave.
• 27:54
  I've
• 27:54
  had
• 27:54
  some
• 27:54
  really
• 27:55
  good
• 27:55
  times
• 27:56
  with
• 27:56
  him,
• 27:56
  especially
• 27:57
  around
• 27:57
  the
• 27:57
  dinner
• 27:58
  table.
• 27:59
  But
• 28:00
  my,
• 28:01
  probably
• 28:02
  my
• 28:02
  favorite
• 28:03
  story,
• 28:03
  Dave
• 28:04
  wasn't
• 28:04
  even
• 28:04
  with
• 28:05
  me.
• 28:05
  And
• 28:05
  it's
• 28:05
  my
• 28:06
  best
• 28:06
  Dave
• 28:06
  Whitlock
• 28:07
  story.
• 28:08
  I
• 28:08
  was
• 28:08
  out
• 28:08
  pre
• 28:09
  fishing.
• 28:09
  I
• 28:09
  had
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  guide
• 28:10
  trip.
• 28:10
  The
• 28:11
  next
• 28:11
  day
• 28:12
  I
• 28:12
  had
• 28:13
  a
• 28:13
  guide
• 28:13
  trip
• 28:13
  like
• 28:13
  on
• 28:14
  a
• 28:14
  Monday.
• 28:14
  And
• 28:15
  so
• 28:15
  I
• 28:15
  went
• 28:15
  out
• 28:15
  and
• 28:15
  pre
• 28:16
  fished
• 28:16
  on
• 28:16
  Sunday
• 28:17
  by
• 28:17
  myself
• 28:18
  to
• 28:18
  just
• 28:19
  get
• 28:19
  an
• 28:19
  idea,
• 28:20
  make
• 28:20
  sure
• 28:20
  the
• 28:20
  patterns
• 28:21
  were
• 28:21
  still
• 28:21
  holding
• 28:21
  up
• 28:22
  and
• 28:22
  when
• 28:22
  the
• 28:22
  fish
• 28:22
  are
• 28:23
  still
• 28:23
  doing
• 28:23
  what
• 28:23
  they're
• 28:23
  supposed
• 28:24
  to
• 28:24
  be
• 28:24
  doing
• 28:25
  at
• 28:25
  that
• 28:25
  time
• 28:26
  of
• 28:26
  year.
• 28:27
  And
• 28:27
  I
• 28:27
  had
• 28:27
  probably
• 28:28
  fished
• 28:28
  the
• 28:29
  better
• 28:29
  part
• 28:29
  of
• 28:30
  three
• 28:31
  hours.
• 28:32
  And
• 28:33
  it
• 28:34
  turns
• 28:34
  out
• 28:35
  that
• 28:36
  I
• 28:36
  had
• 28:37
  not
• 28:37
  caught
• 28:37
  a
• 28:37
  fish
• 28:39
  the
• 28:39
  entire
• 28:40
  morning.
• 28:41
  I
• 28:41
  got
• 28:42
  skunked.
• 28:43
  And
• 28:44
  I
• 28:44
  get
• 28:44
  to
• 28:44
  a
• 28:45
  point
• 28:45
  where
• 28:46
  I'm
• 28:46
  in
• 28:46
  the
• 28:46
  upper
• 28:47
  part
• 28:47
  of
• 28:47
  the
• 28:48
  Chattahoochee
• 28:48
  river
• 28:49
  on
• 28:49
  Lanier,
• 28:50
  and
• 28:50
  I
• 28:50
  make
• 28:51
  a
• 28:51
  cast.
• 28:51
  And
• 28:51
  as
• 28:52
  soon
• 28:52
  as
• 28:52
  the
• 28:52
  fly
• 28:52
  hits
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  water,
• 28:53
  the
• 28:53
  phone
• 28:54
  rings
• 28:55
  and
• 28:55
  I
• 28:55
  look
• 28:55
  and
• 28:55
  it's
• 28:56
  Dave
• 28:56
  Whitlock.
• 28:57
  And
• 28:57
  I
• 28:57
  put
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  phone
• 28:59
  under
• 28:59
  my,
• 28:59
  you
• 28:59
  know,
• 29:00
  resting
• 29:00
  the
• 29:00
  phone
• 29:01
  on
• 29:01
  my
• 29:01
  shoulder,
• 29:03
  cocking
• 29:03
  my
• 29:04
  neck
• 29:04
  against
• 29:04
  the
• 29:04
  foot,
• 29:05
  you
• 29:05
  know,
• 29:05
  my
• 29:05
  head
• 29:05
  against
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  side
• 29:06
  of
• 29:07
  my
• 29:07
  shoulder
• 29:07
  while
• 29:08
  I'm
• 29:08
  stripping
• 29:08
  the
• 29:09
  line
• 29:09
  in.
• 29:09
  And
• 29:10
  immediately
• 29:11
  I
• 29:11
  hook
• 29:11
  a
• 29:11
  fish.
• 29:12
  I'm
• 29:12
  like,
• 29:12
  Dave,
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  did
• 29:13
  it.
• 29:14
  You
• 29:14
  know
• 29:14
  you
• 29:14
  did
• 29:14
  it.
• 29:15
  You
• 29:15
  gave
• 29:15
  me
• 29:15
  the
• 29:16
  luck
• 29:16
  I
• 29:16
  needed.
• 29:16
  And
• 29:18
  Marvin,
• 29:18
  to
• 29:19
  this
• 29:19
  day,
• 29:19
  I
• 29:20
  kid
• 29:20
  you
• 29:20
  not,
• 29:20
  and
• 29:21
  you
• 29:21
  can
• 29:21
  talk
• 29:21
  to
• 29:22
  how
• 29:22
  many
• 29:23
  people
• 29:23
  I've
• 29:24
  taken
• 29:24
  on
• 29:24
  linear
• 29:25
  and
• 29:25
  the
• 29:25
  guides
• 29:25
  that
• 29:25
  are
• 29:25
  on
• 29:26
  linear.
• 29:26
  When
• 29:26
  we
• 29:27
  passed
• 29:27
  this
• 29:27
  point,
• 29:28
  it
• 29:28
  is
• 29:29
  called
• 29:29
  Whitlock's
• 29:30
  Point.
• 29:31
  We
• 29:31
  aptly
• 29:31
  named
• 29:32
  it
• 29:32
  after
• 29:32
  Dave
• 29:33
  because
• 29:34
  that's.
• 29:35
  And
• 29:35
  it
• 29:35
  was
• 29:35
  a
• 29:35
  great.
• 29:35
  And
• 29:36
  Dave
• 29:36
  was
• 29:36
  just
• 29:37
  laughing.
• 29:37
  How
• 29:38
  big
• 29:38
  is
• 29:38
  it,
• 29:38
  Henry?
• 29:39
  What's
• 29:39
  it.
• 29:39
  Is
• 29:39
  it
• 29:39
  running
• 29:40
  hard?
• 29:40
  You
• 29:40
  know,
• 29:40
  it
• 29:40
  was
• 29:41
  just
• 29:41
  unbelievable.
• 29:42
  So
• 29:43
  that's
• 29:43
  probably
• 29:43
  one
• 29:43
  of
• 29:43
  my
• 29:44
  most
• 29:44
  fun
• 29:44
  stories
• 29:45
  I
• 29:45
  tell
• 29:45
  with
• 29:45
  Dave.
• 29:46
  Yeah,
• 29:47
  that's
• 29:47
  pretty
• 29:47
  neat.
• 29:48
  And
• 29:48
  so,
• 29:48
  you
• 29:48
  know,
• 29:48
  Henry,
• 29:49
  for,
• 29:49
  you
• 29:50
  know,
• 29:50
  what
• 29:50
  should
• 29:50
  folks
• 29:51
  know
• 29:51
  about
• 29:51
  Dave
• 29:51
  that
• 29:52
  they
• 29:52
  wouldn't
• 29:52
  be
• 29:52
  able
• 29:52
  to
• 29:53
  pick
• 29:53
  up
• 29:53
  from
• 29:53
  spending
• 29:54
  time
• 29:54
  with
• 29:54
  him
• 29:54
  at
• 29:54
  his
• 29:54
  show?
• 29:55
  For
• 29:55
  example?
• 29:58
  You
• 29:58
  know,
• 30:01
  I,
• 30:01
  I
• 30:02
  would
• 30:02
  have
• 30:02
  to
• 30:02
  say
• 30:03
  that
• 30:04
  he
• 30:04
  was
• 30:04
  all.
• 30:05
  He
• 30:05
  was
• 30:06
  always
• 30:07
  trying
• 30:07
  to
• 30:08
  learn
• 30:08
  for
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  guy
• 30:10
  that,
• 30:12
  you
• 30:12
  know,
• 30:12
  he'd.
• 30:14
  He'd
• 30:14
  forget
• 30:15
  more
• 30:16
  than
• 30:16
  you
• 30:16
  would
• 30:16
  ever
• 30:17
  know
• 30:19
  because
• 30:19
  he
• 30:19
  studied
• 30:20
  the
• 30:20
  craft
• 30:21
  so
• 30:21
  well.
• 30:22
  But
• 30:23
  Dave
• 30:23
  would
• 30:24
  always
• 30:24
  want
• 30:24
  to
• 30:25
  learn
• 30:25
  whether
• 30:25
  he
• 30:26
  was
• 30:26
  picking
• 30:27
  your
• 30:27
  brain
• 30:27
  on
• 30:29
  leaders
• 30:29
  and
• 30:30
  set
• 30:30
  up
• 30:30
  or
• 30:31
  whether,
• 30:31
  you
• 30:31
  know,
• 30:31
  I
• 30:31
  can't
• 30:32
  tell
• 30:32
  you
• 30:32
  how
• 30:32
  many
• 30:32
  times
• 30:33
  at
• 30:34
  the
• 30:34
  shows
• 30:36
  in
• 30:36
  New
• 30:36
  Jersey
• 30:37
  and
• 30:37
  in
• 30:37
  Atlanta,
• 30:37
  Dave
• 30:38
  would.
• 30:38
  I
• 30:38
  was
• 30:39
  tying
• 30:39
  at
• 30:39
  a
• 30:39
  booth,
• 30:40
  you
• 30:40
  know,
• 30:40
  one
• 30:40
  of
• 30:41
  the
• 30:41
  tables,
• 30:41
  and
• 30:41
  Dave
• 30:42
  would
• 30:42
  come
• 30:42
  up
• 30:42
  behind
• 30:42
  me.
• 30:43
  I
• 30:43
  didn't
• 30:43
  even
• 30:43
  see
• 30:43
  him.
• 30:44
  And
• 30:44
  then
• 30:44
  he'd
• 30:45
  lean
• 30:45
  in
• 30:45
  and
• 30:46
  go,
• 30:46
  you
• 30:46
  know,
• 30:47
  I
• 30:47
  really
• 30:47
  like
• 30:47
  the
• 30:47
  way
• 30:48
  those
• 30:48
  colors
• 30:48
  look
• 30:49
  on
• 30:49
  the.
• 30:49
  And
• 30:49
  that
• 30:49
  was
• 30:50
  Dave.
• 30:50
  He
• 30:50
  was
• 30:50
  studying
• 30:51
  your
• 30:51
  technique.
• 30:52
  Technique
• 30:53
  to
• 30:53
  see
• 30:53
  if
• 30:53
  he
• 30:54
  could
• 30:54
  pick
• 30:54
  something
• 30:54
  up.
• 30:55
  And
• 30:56
  that
• 30:56
  was,
• 30:57
  you
• 30:57
  know,
• 30:58
  that
• 30:59
  was
• 30:59
  one
• 30:59
  of
• 30:59
  the
• 30:59
  great
• 31:00
  things,
• 31:02
  you
• 31:02
  know,
• 31:02
  he
• 31:02
  was
• 31:03
  a
• 31:03
  student
• 31:03
  at
• 31:03
  heart.
• 31:04
  Even
• 31:04
  though
• 31:05
  this
• 31:05
  guy
• 31:05
  knew
• 31:06
  it,
• 31:06
  knew
• 31:07
  more
• 31:07
  than,
• 31:07
  and
• 31:08
  could
• 31:08
  teach
• 31:09
  everybody
• 31:09
  so
• 31:10
  many
• 31:10
  different
• 31:10
  things,
• 31:11
  he
• 31:11
  was
• 31:11
  truly
• 31:12
  a
• 31:12
  student
• 31:12
  at
• 31:12
  heart,
• 31:13
  always
• 31:13
  looking
• 31:14
  to
• 31:14
  learn,
• 31:14
  always
• 31:15
  had
• 31:15
  an
• 31:15
  open
• 31:15
  mind.
• 31:18
  We'd
• 31:18
  go
• 31:19
  out
• 31:19
  to
• 31:19
  dinner
• 31:19
  at
• 31:19
  the
• 31:20
  shows.
• 31:21
  You
• 31:21
  know,
• 31:22
  Brad
• 31:22
  Beefus
• 31:22
  and
• 31:23
  scientific
• 31:23
  anglers
• 31:24
  would
• 31:24
  take
• 31:24
  a
• 31:24
  group
• 31:25
  of
• 31:25
  us
• 31:25
  out
• 31:26
  every
• 31:26
  year
• 31:26
  at
• 31:27
  the
• 31:27
  show
• 31:27
  for
• 31:27
  dinner.
• 31:28
  Whether
• 31:28
  it
• 31:28
  was
• 31:28
  George
• 31:29
  Daniel
• 31:29
  or
• 31:30
  Landon
• 31:30
  Mayer
• 31:32
  and
• 31:32
  myself
• 31:32
  and
• 31:33
  Emily
• 31:33
  and
• 31:33
  the
• 31:34
  cyangler
• 31:34
  guys,
• 31:35
  we'd
• 31:35
  all
• 31:35
  go
• 31:35
  out
• 31:37
  and
• 31:38
  Dave
• 31:40
  was
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  one
• 31:40
  guy
• 31:41
  at
• 31:41
  the
• 31:41
  table
• 31:42
  listening
• 31:42
  to
• 31:43
  everything.
• 31:44
  He
• 31:44
  always
• 31:45
  was
• 31:45
  trying
• 31:45
  to
• 31:46
  pick
• 31:46
  something
• 31:46
  up,
• 31:47
  whatever
• 31:47
  it
• 31:47
  was,
• 31:48
  whether
• 31:48
  you
• 31:48
  were
• 31:48
  talking
• 31:49
  about
• 31:49
  bone
• 31:49
  fishing
• 31:50
  or
• 31:50
  you
• 31:51
  were
• 31:51
  bluegill
• 31:51
  fishing,
• 31:52
  it
• 31:52
  didn't
• 31:52
  make
• 31:53
  a
• 31:53
  difference.
• 31:54
  And,
• 31:54
  you
• 31:54
  know,
• 31:54
  that's,
• 31:55
  that's
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  part
• 31:56
  of
• 31:56
  Dave
• 31:58
  that
• 31:58
  most
• 31:58
  people,
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  know,
• 31:59
  this
• 32:00
  is
• 32:00
  not
• 32:00
  a
• 32:00
  guy
• 32:00
  who's
• 32:01
  going
• 32:01
  to
• 32:01
  tell
• 32:01
  you,
• 32:03
  but
• 32:03
  he
• 32:03
  also
• 32:03
  wants
• 32:04
  to
• 32:04
  pick
• 32:04
  up
• 32:04
  what,
• 32:05
  you
• 32:06
  know,
• 32:06
  that
• 32:06
  maybe
• 32:06
  he
• 32:06
  didn't
• 32:07
  realize.
• 32:07
  And,
• 32:08
  and,
• 32:08
  and
• 32:08
  he'd
• 32:08
  be
• 32:09
  the
• 32:09
  first
• 32:09
  one
• 32:09
  to
• 32:09
  say,
• 32:09
  you
• 32:09
  know,
• 32:10
  I
• 32:10
  never
• 32:10
  thought
• 32:10
  about
• 32:10
  it.
• 32:10
  That
• 32:11
  way.
• 32:11
  That's
• 32:11
  a
• 32:11
  great
• 32:11
  idea.
• 32:13
  And
• 32:13
  that
• 32:13
  was
• 32:13
  Dave.
• 32:14
  That's
• 32:14
  what
• 32:14
  I
• 32:14
  would
• 32:14
  tell
• 32:15
  you
• 32:15
  about
• 32:15
  Dave.
• 32:16
  And
• 32:17
  he
• 32:17
  was
• 32:17
  so
• 32:18
  comfortable
• 32:18
  in
• 32:18
  his
• 32:19
  shoes.
• 32:20
  Yeah.
• 32:21
  Very
• 32:21
  neat.
• 32:21
  And
• 32:21
  Alan,
• 32:22
  how
• 32:22
  about
• 32:22
  you?
• 32:26
  Oh,
• 32:26
  yeah,
• 32:28
  I
• 32:28
  would,
• 32:29
  you
• 32:29
  know,
• 32:29
  if
• 32:29
  there
• 32:29
  was
• 32:30
  something
• 32:30
  that
• 32:30
  people
• 32:30
  don't
• 32:31
  realize
• 32:31
  about
• 32:31
  Dave,
• 32:32
  and
• 32:32
  Henry
• 32:32
  already
• 32:32
  said
• 32:33
  it.
• 32:33
  He,
• 32:34
  he
• 32:34
  truly
• 32:34
  was
• 32:34
  a
• 32:34
  kind
• 32:35
  man.
• 32:36
  Like,
• 32:36
  and
• 32:37
  I
• 32:37
  don't
• 32:37
  think
• 32:37
  people
• 32:39
  realize
• 32:40
  how
• 32:40
  giving
• 32:41
  he
• 32:41
  was
• 32:42
  to,
• 32:43
  if,
• 32:44
  if
• 32:44
  you
• 32:44
  made
• 32:44
  it
• 32:45
  into
• 32:45
  his
• 32:45
  inner
• 32:46
  circle.
• 32:47
  He
• 32:47
  was
• 32:48
  giving
• 32:48
  with
• 32:48
  his
• 32:48
  time
• 32:50
  and
• 32:50
  he
• 32:50
  didn't
• 32:50
  have
• 32:51
  a
• 32:51
  lot.
• 32:51
  Like,
• 32:51
  he
• 32:52
  was
• 32:52
  super
• 32:52
  busy
• 32:52
  between
• 32:54
  taking
• 32:54
  care
• 32:54
  of
• 32:54
  the
• 32:54
  trout
• 32:55
  stream
• 32:55
  and
• 32:55
  the
• 32:55
  ponds
• 32:56
  and,
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  know,
• 32:57
  doing
• 32:57
  the
• 32:57
  fly
• 32:58
  tying
• 32:58
  orders
• 32:58
  that
• 32:59
  he
• 32:59
  had
• 32:59
  and
• 32:59
  the
• 32:59
  art.
• 33:00
  And
• 33:00
  like,
• 33:01
  he
• 33:01
  was
• 33:01
  always
• 33:01
  busy
• 33:02
  working.
• 33:02
  He,
• 33:03
  he
• 33:03
  didn't
• 33:03
  take
• 33:04
  very
• 33:04
  many
• 33:04
  days
• 33:04
  off.
• 33:05
  Right.
• 33:06
  But
• 33:07
  if
• 33:07
  you
• 33:07
  need,
• 33:07
  if
• 33:08
  you
• 33:08
  were
• 33:08
  inside
• 33:08
  that
• 33:08
  circle
• 33:09
  and
• 33:09
  you
• 33:09
  called
• 33:09
  him
• 33:09
  up
• 33:09
  and
• 33:09
  had
• 33:09
  a
• 33:10
  question,
• 33:10
  you
• 33:11
  had
• 33:11
  him.
• 33:11
  He,
• 33:11
  you
• 33:12
  had
• 33:12
  his
• 33:12
  undivided
• 33:12
  attention.
• 33:14
  And
• 33:14
  he.
• 33:14
  And
• 33:15
  if
• 33:15
  it
• 33:16
  was
• 33:16
  a
• 33:16
  question
• 33:16
  that
• 33:16
  warranted
• 33:17
  a
• 33:17
  letter
• 33:18
  within,
• 33:19
  you
• 33:19
  know,
• 33:19
  by
• 33:20
  the
• 33:20
  end
• 33:20
  of
• 33:20
  the
• 33:20
  week,
• 33:21
  boom,
• 33:21
  there's
• 33:21
  a
• 33:21
  letter
• 33:22
  in
• 33:22
  your
• 33:22
  mailbox
• 33:22
  with
• 33:23
  the
• 33:23
  explanation
• 33:23
  that
• 33:24
  you
• 33:24
  were,
• 33:24
  you
• 33:24
  know,
• 33:26
  you
• 33:26
  know,
• 33:26
  with
• 33:26
  the
• 33:27
  further
• 33:27
  explanation
• 33:27
  after
• 33:28
  the
• 33:28
  phone
• 33:28
  call
• 33:28
  or
• 33:28
  after
• 33:29
  the
• 33:29
  text
• 33:29
  or
• 33:29
  whatever
• 33:30
  it
• 33:30
  was,
• 33:32
  he
• 33:32
  was
• 33:33
  just,
• 33:33
  he
• 33:33
  was
• 33:34
  so
• 33:34
  kind
• 33:34
  in
• 33:34
  that
• 33:35
  way.
• 33:36
  You
• 33:36
  know,
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  other
• 33:37
  thing
• 33:37
  I
• 33:37
  remember
• 33:37
  too
• 33:38
  is
• 33:38
  he
• 33:38
  was
• 33:39
  a
• 33:39
  jokester.
• 33:39
  You
• 33:40
  want
• 33:40
  to
• 33:40
  talk
• 33:40
  about
• 33:40
  somebody
• 33:41
  who
• 33:41
  was
• 33:41
  a
• 33:41
  jokester?
• 33:42
  He
• 33:43
  had
• 33:43
  a
• 33:43
  great
• 33:43
  sense
• 33:44
  of
• 33:44
  humor.
• 33:45
  I'd
• 33:45
  get
• 33:45
  on
• 33:46
  the
• 33:46
  phone
• 33:46
  and,
• 33:46
  you
• 33:47
  know,
• 33:47
  Emily
• 33:47
  would
• 33:48
  pick
• 33:48
  up
• 33:48
  and
• 33:49
  say,
• 33:49
  we'd
• 33:50
  be
• 33:50
  on
• 33:50
  the
• 33:50
  phone
• 33:50
  for
• 33:50
  10
• 33:50
  minutes
• 33:51
  and
• 33:51
  then
• 33:51
  he'd,
• 33:52
  you
• 33:52
  know,
• 33:52
  she'd
• 33:53
  give
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  phone
• 33:53
  to
• 33:53
  Dave,
• 33:54
  call
• 33:54
  Dave,
• 33:54
  and
• 33:55
  Dave
• 33:55
  would
• 33:55
  pick
• 33:56
  up
• 33:56
  the
• 33:56
  phone
• 33:56
  and,
• 33:57
  and
• 33:57
  he'd
• 33:57
  say,
• 33:57
  you
• 33:58
  flirting
• 33:58
  with
• 33:58
  my
• 33:58
  wife
• 33:59
  again?
• 33:59
  I
• 34:00
  mean,
• 34:00
  that
• 34:01
  was
• 34:01
  typical
• 34:01
  Dave
• 34:02
  Whitlock.
• 34:02
  You
• 34:02
  know,
• 34:04
  he
• 34:05
  had
• 34:05
  a
• 34:05
  great
• 34:05
  sense
• 34:06
  of
• 34:06
  humor.
• 34:07
  Agreed.
• 34:08
  Yeah.
• 34:08
  And
• 34:08
  Alan,
• 34:09
  you
• 34:09
  know,
• 34:09
  what,
• 34:09
  what
• 34:10
  do
• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  think
• 34:10
  in
• 34:10
  terms
• 34:10
  of,
• 34:11
  you
• 34:11
  know,
• 34:11
  Dave's
• 34:12
  influence?
• 34:12
  And
• 34:12
  I
• 34:12
  know
• 34:13
  because
• 34:13
  both
• 34:13
  of
• 34:13
  you
• 34:13
  kind
• 34:13
  of,
• 34:14
  you
• 34:14
  know,
• 34:14
  had
• 34:14
  different
• 34:14
  relationships
• 34:15
  with
• 34:15
  Dave,
• 34:16
  but,
• 34:16
  you
• 34:16
  know,
• 34:16
  what
• 34:16
  do
• 34:16
  you
• 34:16
  think
• 34:17
  is
• 34:17
  his
• 34:18
  influence
• 34:18
  on
• 34:18
  current
• 34:19
  and
• 34:19
  future
• 34:19
  generations
• 34:20
  of
• 34:20
  Flaglers?
• 34:22
  Well,
• 34:24
  I'm,
• 34:25
  I
• 34:25
  have,
• 34:25
  I
• 34:25
  don't
• 34:26
  have
• 34:26
  a
• 34:26
  rosy
• 34:26
  opinion
• 34:26
  of
• 34:27
  that.
• 34:27
  I
• 34:27
  think
• 34:27
  he's
• 34:27
  being
• 34:28
  forgotten.
• 34:30
  It's
• 34:31
  partially
• 34:31
  because
• 34:31
  the
• 34:31
  decision
• 34:32
  he
• 34:32
  made
• 34:32
  for
• 34:33
  the
• 34:33
  last
• 34:33
  10
• 34:33
  or
• 34:34
  12
• 34:34
  years
• 34:34
  of
• 34:34
  his
• 34:34
  life,
• 34:34
  he
• 34:35
  wanted
• 34:35
  to
• 34:35
  focus
• 34:35
  more
• 34:36
  on
• 34:36
  his
• 34:36
  art.
• 34:37
  So
• 34:38
  he
• 34:38
  stopped
• 34:38
  going
• 34:38
  to
• 34:38
  a
• 34:39
  lot
• 34:39
  of
• 34:39
  trade
• 34:39
  shows.
• 34:40
  You
• 34:40
  know,
• 34:40
  he
• 34:40
  kind
• 34:40
  of
• 34:40
  did
• 34:41
  only
• 34:41
  the
• 34:41
  local
• 34:41
  ones
• 34:41
  or
• 34:41
  maybe
• 34:42
  did
• 34:42
  the,
• 34:42
  did
• 34:42
  the
• 34:43
  Denver
• 34:43
  one
• 34:43
  a
• 34:43
  couple
• 34:43
  of
• 34:44
  times.
• 34:45
  But
• 34:45
  he
• 34:45
  stopped
• 34:46
  doing
• 34:46
  all
• 34:46
  of
• 34:46
  the
• 34:46
  fly
• 34:46
  fishing
• 34:47
  shows
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  Ben
• 34:47
  and
• 34:47
  Chuck
• 34:48
  did,
• 34:48
  you
• 34:48
  know,
• 34:49
  and,
• 34:50
  and
• 34:50
  that's
• 34:51
  unfortunately,
• 34:52
  with
• 34:52
  our
• 34:52
  industry,
• 34:52
  if
• 34:53
  you're
• 34:53
  not
• 34:53
  in
• 34:53
  the
• 34:53
  people's
• 34:54
  face,
• 34:54
  then
• 34:54
  you,
• 34:55
  you
• 34:55
  do
• 34:55
  kind
• 34:55
  of
• 34:56
  get
• 34:56
  lost.
• 34:58
  You
• 34:58
  know,
• 34:58
  people
• 34:58
  don't
• 34:58
  realize
• 34:59
  that
• 34:59
  the
• 34:59
  first
• 35:00
  strike
• 35:00
  indicator
• 35:00
  ever
• 35:01
  put
• 35:01
  on
• 35:01
  a
• 35:01
  fly
• 35:01
  line
• 35:02
  was
• 35:02
  Dave
• 35:02
  trying
• 35:03
  to
• 35:03
  figure
• 35:03
  out
• 35:03
  a
• 35:03
  way
• 35:03
  to
• 35:03
  nymph
• 35:04
  better.
• 35:05
  He
• 35:05
  wrote
• 35:05
  about
• 35:06
  that
• 35:06
  in
• 35:06
  one
• 35:06
  of
• 35:06
  his
• 35:06
  last
• 35:06
  articles
• 35:07
  for
• 35:07
  Trout
• 35:07
  magazine.
• 35:10
  In
• 35:10
  that
• 35:10
  same
• 35:10
  one,
• 35:10
  he
• 35:10
  talked
• 35:11
  about
• 35:11
  the
• 35:11
  knotless
• 35:11
  leader
• 35:12
  connection
• 35:13
  that
• 35:14
  I
• 35:14
  know
• 35:14
  that
• 35:14
  Al
• 35:14
  Coochie
• 35:15
  and
• 35:15
  Bob
• 35:15
  Nastazi
• 35:16
  wrote
• 35:17
  about
• 35:17
  numerous
• 35:18
  times
• 35:18
  in
• 35:18
  their
• 35:19
  writings
• 35:19
  between,
• 35:20
  you
• 35:20
  know,
• 35:20
  the
• 35:20
  different
• 35:20
  magazines
• 35:21
  that
• 35:21
  they
• 35:21
  would
• 35:21
  write
• 35:21
  for.
• 35:22
  But
• 35:22
  they
• 35:23
  said
• 35:23
  it
• 35:23
  was
• 35:23
  an
• 35:23
  absolute
• 35:24
  must
• 35:24
  for
• 35:24
  the
• 35:24
  upper
• 35:25
  Delaware
• 35:25
  River.
• 35:26
  And
• 35:27
  I,
• 35:27
  I
• 35:27
  completely
• 35:28
  agree.
• 35:28
  I,
• 35:28
  I
• 35:29
  use
• 35:29
  it
• 35:31
  almost
• 35:31
  exclusively.
• 35:33
  And
• 35:34
  then,
• 35:34
  you
• 35:34
  know,
• 35:35
  even
• 35:35
  somebody
• 35:35
  that's
• 35:35
  more
• 35:36
  modern,
• 35:36
  you
• 35:36
  know,
• 35:37
  with
• 35:37
  today's,
• 35:38
  you
• 35:38
  know,
• 35:38
  hip
• 35:38
  crowd,
• 35:39
  quote
• 35:39
  unquote,
• 35:39
  is,
• 35:39
  you
• 35:40
  know,
• 35:40
  Kelly
• 35:40
  Gallup.
• 35:40
  And
• 35:41
  one
• 35:41
  of,
• 35:41
  and
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  think
• 35:41
  it
• 35:41
  was
• 35:41
  in
• 35:42
  his
• 35:42
  first
• 35:42
  book,
• 35:44
  Modern
• 35:44
  the
• 35:44
  Trophy
• 35:45
  Streamers
• 35:45
  book,
• 35:46
  he
• 35:46
  said
• 35:46
  that
• 35:46
  when
• 35:47
  he
• 35:47
  was
• 35:47
  trying
• 35:47
  to
• 35:47
  create
• 35:48
  the,
• 35:48
  the
• 35:48
  matuka
• 35:49
  or
• 35:49
  the
• 35:49
  woolly
• 35:50
  sculpin
• 35:50
  and
• 35:50
  the
• 35:50
  zookuber,
• 35:51
  he
• 35:52
  was
• 35:52
  just
• 35:52
  trying
• 35:52
  to
• 35:52
  make
• 35:52
  a
• 35:53
  sculpin
• 35:53
  fly
• 35:54
  that
• 35:54
  fished
• 35:54
  as
• 35:55
  good
• 35:55
  as
• 35:55
  the
• 35:55
  matua
• 35:55
  sculptum.
• 35:56
  That
• 35:56
  didn't
• 35:56
  take
• 35:56
  45
• 35:57
  minutes
• 35:57
  to.
• 35:57
  To
• 35:58
  tie
• 35:58
  because
• 35:58
  the
• 35:58
  matuka
• 35:59
  sculpting
• 35:59
  takes
• 36:00
  forever.
• 36:00
  It's
• 36:00
  a
• 36:01
  slow,
• 36:01
  laborious
• 36:02
  tie,
• 36:02
  but
• 36:03
  it's
• 36:03
  a
• 36:03
  fabulous
• 36:03
  sculpin
• 36:04
  fly.
• 36:04
  So
• 36:05
  even
• 36:05
  he
• 36:05
  realized
• 36:06
  the
• 36:06
  genius
• 36:06
  of,
• 36:07
  of
• 36:07
  Dave.
• 36:07
  He
• 36:07
  just
• 36:08
  was
• 36:08
  trying
• 36:08
  to
• 36:08
  do
• 36:08
  it
• 36:08
  quicker.
• 36:10
  So
• 36:11
  there's,
• 36:11
  there's
• 36:11
  so
• 36:12
  many
• 36:12
  things
• 36:14
  I,
• 36:14
  I
• 36:15
  was,
• 36:15
  I'm.
• 36:15
  I'm
• 36:16
  doing
• 36:16
  an
• 36:16
  order
• 36:17
  or
• 36:17
  a
• 36:17
  donation
• 36:18
  for
• 36:18
  the
• 36:18
  American
• 36:18
  Museum
• 36:19
  of
• 36:19
  Fly
• 36:19
  Fishing.
• 36:19
  We've
• 36:20
  got
• 36:20
  a
• 36:20
  gala
• 36:20
  coming
• 36:20
  up
• 36:21
  in
• 36:21
  early
• 36:21
  August,
• 36:23
  and
• 36:24
  a
• 36:24
  bunch
• 36:24
  of
• 36:25
  the
• 36:25
  people
• 36:25
  in
• 36:25
  there
• 36:25
  are
• 36:26
  always
• 36:26
  like
• 36:27
  bonefish
• 36:27
  and
• 36:27
  permit
• 36:28
  guys.
• 36:28
  Well,
• 36:29
  Dave
• 36:29
  in
• 36:30
  one,
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  forget
• 36:30
  which
• 36:30
  Dick
• 36:31
  Brown
• 36:31
  book,
• 36:31
  whether
• 36:31
  it
• 36:31
  was
• 36:32
  bonefish
• 36:32
  or
• 36:32
  bonefish
• 36:33
  flies,
• 36:33
  I
• 36:34
  forget
• 36:34
  which
• 36:34
  one.
• 36:34
  But
• 36:34
  Dick,
• 36:35
  Dave
• 36:36
  has
• 36:36
  flies
• 36:36
  in
• 36:36
  there.
• 36:37
  And
• 36:37
  one
• 36:37
  of
• 36:37
  them
• 36:37
  he
• 36:37
  called
• 36:38
  the
• 36:38
  Near
• 36:38
  Enough.
• 36:39
  The
• 36:40
  Near
• 36:40
  Enough
• 36:40
  shrimp.
• 36:41
  And
• 36:42
  when
• 36:42
  you
• 36:42
  look
• 36:42
  at
• 36:42
  it,
• 36:42
  it
• 36:42
  looks
• 36:43
  like
• 36:43
  a
• 36:43
  Near
• 36:43
  Enough
• 36:43
  crayfish
• 36:44
  with
• 36:44
  short,
• 36:44
  stubby
• 36:44
  claws.
• 36:45
  And
• 36:46
  when
• 36:46
  I
• 36:46
  asked
• 36:46
  him
• 36:46
  about
• 36:46
  it,
• 36:47
  he
• 36:47
  goes,
• 36:47
  oh,
• 36:47
  yeah,
• 36:47
  I
• 36:47
  remember
• 36:47
  that
• 36:48
  fly.
• 36:48
  Now,
• 36:48
  he
• 36:49
  had
• 36:49
  forgotten
• 36:49
  that
• 36:49
  he
• 36:49
  had
• 36:49
  done
• 36:50
  it.
• 36:50
  He
• 36:50
  had
• 36:50
  forgotten
• 36:50
  that
• 36:50
  he
• 36:51
  had
• 36:51
  a
• 36:51
  published
• 36:51
  fly
• 36:52
  for
• 36:52
  bonefish
• 36:53
  and
• 36:53
  permit
• 36:54
  in
• 36:55
  Dick
• 36:55
  Brown's
• 36:55
  books.
• 36:56
  So
• 36:57
  there's
• 36:58
  so
• 36:58
  many
• 36:58
  things
• 36:58
  that
• 36:59
  he's
• 36:59
  had
• 36:59
  an
• 36:59
  impact
• 36:59
  on,
• 37:00
  and
• 37:01
  there's
• 37:02
  a
• 37:02
  lot
• 37:02
  of
• 37:02
  people
• 37:02
  that
• 37:04
  don't
• 37:05
  know
• 37:05
  that
• 37:05
  that
• 37:05
  was
• 37:06
  the
• 37:06
  case.
• 37:07
  So
• 37:08
  I'm
• 37:09
  hopefully,
• 37:09
  you
• 37:09
  know,
• 37:10
  by
• 37:11
  these
• 37:11
  podcasts
• 37:11
  that
• 37:12
  we're
• 37:12
  doing
• 37:12
  here
• 37:13
  and
• 37:13
  the
• 37:13
  trade
• 37:13
  shows
• 37:14
  that
• 37:14
  we
• 37:14
  do.
• 37:14
  And,
• 37:14
  you
• 37:14
  know,
• 37:14
  I
• 37:14
  know
• 37:15
  Henry
• 37:15
  talks
• 37:15
  about
• 37:15
  them
• 37:16
  too,
• 37:16
  like
• 37:17
  we're
• 37:17
  just
• 37:17
  trying
• 37:17
  to
• 37:17
  make
• 37:17
  sure
• 37:17
  he
• 37:18
  doesn't
• 37:18
  get
• 37:18
  forgotten.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:20
  Henry,
• 37:21
  what
• 37:21
  are
• 37:21
  your
• 37:21
  thoughts?
• 37:23
  Well,
• 37:24
  you
• 37:24
  know,
• 37:25
  I
• 37:26
  agree
• 37:26
  with,
• 37:27
  I
• 37:27
  agree
• 37:27
  with
• 37:27
  what
• 37:27
  Alan
• 37:28
  said.
• 37:29
  You
• 37:29
  know,
• 37:29
  how
• 37:29
  do
• 37:29
  you
• 37:30
  keep
• 37:30
  that
• 37:30
  legacy
• 37:30
  alive?
• 37:31
  You
• 37:31
  know,
• 37:33
  I
• 37:34
  did
• 37:34
  a
• 37:34
  piece
• 37:34
  for
• 37:34
  fly
• 37:35
  fishermen
• 37:36
  a
• 37:36
  few
• 37:36
  years
• 37:37
  back
• 37:37
  about
• 37:37
  our
• 37:38
  Mount
• 37:38
  Rushmore
• 37:39
  of
• 37:39
  fly
• 37:39
  fishing.
• 37:40
  And,
• 37:40
  you
• 37:41
  know,
• 37:41
  who
• 37:41
  are
• 37:41
  the
• 37:41
  four
• 37:42
  guys
• 37:42
  that
• 37:42
  deserve
• 37:43
  to
• 37:43
  be
• 37:43
  on
• 37:43
  Mount
• 37:43
  Rushmore?
• 37:44
  And
• 37:44
  it
• 37:44
  was
• 37:44
  such
• 37:45
  an
• 37:45
  easy.
• 37:46
  It
• 37:46
  was
• 37:46
  such
• 37:46
  an
• 37:47
  easy
• 37:48
  selection.
• 37:48
  You
• 37:48
  know,
• 37:49
  I
• 37:49
  had
• 37:50
  Lee
• 37:50
  Wolf
• 37:50
  and
• 37:51
  I
• 37:51
  had
• 37:53
  Lefty
• 37:54
  Cray,
• 37:55
  and
• 37:55
  I
• 37:56
  had
• 37:57
  what's
• 37:57
  his
• 37:57
  name,
• 37:58
  who
• 37:59
  taught
• 37:59
  Lefty
• 38:01
  Joe
• 38:01
  Brooks,
• 38:02
  and
• 38:02
  then
• 38:02
  I
• 38:02
  had
• 38:03
  Dave,
• 38:03
  and
• 38:03
  it
• 38:03
  was
• 38:04
  such
• 38:04
  an
• 38:04
  easy
• 38:04
  selection.
• 38:05
  Those
• 38:05
  were
• 38:05
  the
• 38:06
  four.
• 38:06
  So,
• 38:07
  you
• 38:07
  know,
• 38:07
  he
• 38:08
  deserves
• 38:08
  to
• 38:08
  have
• 38:09
  a
• 38:09
  legacy.
• 38:09
  Go
• 38:09
  on.
• 38:10
  And,
• 38:10
  and
• 38:11
  if
• 38:11
  there's
• 38:11
  anything
• 38:12
  I
• 38:12
  remember,
• 38:13
  you
• 38:13
  know,
• 38:13
  about
• 38:14
  Dave
• 38:15
  as
• 38:15
  far
• 38:15
  as
• 38:15
  his
• 38:16
  legacy
• 38:16
  and
• 38:17
  what
• 38:17
  people
• 38:17
  should
• 38:18
  remember
• 38:18
  is,
• 38:20
  you
• 38:20
  know,
• 38:20
  in
• 38:20
  today's
• 38:21
  world
• 38:22
  of,
• 38:23
  in
• 38:23
  today's
• 38:24
  world
• 38:24
  of,
• 38:26
  of
• 38:28
  social
• 38:28
  media,
• 38:29
  whether
• 38:29
  it's
• 38:29
  TikTok
• 38:30
  or
• 38:32
  Facebook
• 38:33
  or,
• 38:33
  or
• 38:33
  any
• 38:34
  of
• 38:34
  the,
• 38:34
  you
• 38:35
  know,
• 38:35
  Instagram,
• 38:37
  you
• 38:37
  have
• 38:37
  all
• 38:37
  these
• 38:38
  influencers
• 38:39
  or
• 38:39
  these
• 38:39
  people
• 38:39
  trying
• 38:40
  to
• 38:40
  be
• 38:40
  big
• 38:40
  influencers.
• 38:42
  Dave
• 38:43
  was
• 38:44
  an
• 38:44
  influencer
• 38:45
  in
• 38:45
  the
• 38:45
  fly
• 38:45
  fishing
• 38:46
  market
• 38:46
  before
• 38:47
  there
• 38:47
  was
• 38:47
  ever
• 38:48
  social
• 38:49
  media.
• 38:50
  And
• 38:50
  you
• 38:51
  look
• 38:51
  at
• 38:51
  what
• 38:52
  he
• 38:52
  made
• 38:52
  cool
• 38:53
  and
• 38:53
  popular.
• 38:54
  He
• 38:54
  didn't
• 38:55
  just
• 38:55
  fish
• 38:55
  for
• 38:55
  trout,
• 38:56
  which
• 38:56
  he
• 38:56
  did
• 38:56
  in
• 38:56
  his
• 38:57
  early
• 38:57
  years.
• 38:58
  He
• 38:58
  made
• 38:58
  bluegill
• 38:59
  fishing
• 38:59
  cool.
• 39:00
  He
• 39:00
  made
• 39:01
  temperate
• 39:01
  bass,
• 39:02
  like
• 39:02
  hybrids
• 39:03
  and
• 39:03
  stripers
• 39:04
  and
• 39:04
  whatnot,
• 39:05
  white
• 39:05
  bass.
• 39:06
  He
• 39:06
  made
• 39:06
  that
• 39:06
  cool.
• 39:07
  He
• 39:08
  made
• 39:08
  carp
• 39:08
  fishing
• 39:09
  cool
• 39:09
  when
• 39:09
  people
• 39:10
  thought
• 39:10
  carp
• 39:10
  were
• 39:11
  just
• 39:11
  a
• 39:11
  trash
• 39:12
  fish.
• 39:13
  And
• 39:14
  if
• 39:14
  you
• 39:14
  carry
• 39:15
  that
• 39:16
  forward
• 39:17
  today,
• 39:17
  and
• 39:18
  you
• 39:18
  talk
• 39:18
  to
• 39:18
  guys
• 39:19
  like
• 39:19
  Blaine
• 39:19
  Chocolate,
• 39:20
  for
• 39:20
  instance,
• 39:20
  who
• 39:21
  is
• 39:21
  one
• 39:21
  of
• 39:22
  the
• 39:22
  big
• 39:22
  influencers
• 39:23
  in
• 39:23
  our,
• 39:23
  in
• 39:24
  our
• 39:24
  sport
• 39:25
  today.
• 39:26
  Blaine
• 39:26
  is
• 39:26
  all
• 39:26
  about
• 39:27
  muskie.
• 39:27
  Blaine
• 39:28
  is
• 39:28
  all
• 39:28
  about
• 39:28
  snakeheads
• 39:29
  and
• 39:30
  all
• 39:30
  these
• 39:30
  prehistoric
• 39:31
  paddlefish
• 39:32
  and
• 39:33
  stuff.
• 39:33
  I
• 39:33
  mean,
• 39:33
  this
• 39:34
  all
• 39:34
  comes
• 39:34
  from
• 39:34
  the
• 39:35
  roots
• 39:35
  of
• 39:35
  Dave
• 39:36
  Whitlock
• 39:37
  influencing
• 39:37
  the
• 39:38
  younger
• 39:38
  generation
• 39:39
  and
• 39:39
  saying,
• 39:40
  hey,
• 39:40
  it's
• 39:40
  not
• 39:41
  just
• 39:41
  about
• 39:41
  trout
• 39:42
  and
• 39:42
  striped
• 39:43
  bass.
• 39:44
  There's
• 39:44
  a
• 39:44
  lot
• 39:44
  of
• 39:45
  the
• 39:45
  species
• 39:45
  out
• 39:46
  there
• 39:46
  that
• 39:46
  are
• 39:46
  really
• 39:47
  cool
• 39:47
  animals
• 39:48
  to
• 39:48
  fish
• 39:48
  for
• 39:49
  and
• 39:49
  admire.
• 39:50
  And
• 39:50
  I
• 39:50
  think,
• 39:51
  I
• 39:52
  really
• 39:52
  think
• 39:52
  that's.
• 39:53
  That's
• 39:54
  what
• 39:54
  I'm
• 39:54
  going
• 39:54
  to
• 39:55
  know.
• 39:55
  What
• 39:55
  I
• 39:55
  feel
• 39:56
  is
• 39:56
  most
• 39:56
  important
• 39:57
  about
• 39:57
  Dave
• 39:57
  and
• 39:59
  how
• 39:59
  I
• 39:59
  feel
• 39:59
  about
• 39:59
  him
• 40:00
  and
• 40:00
  what
• 40:00
  he's
• 40:01
  done
• 40:01
  for
• 40:01
  the
• 40:01
  sport
• 40:01
  and
• 40:02
  what
• 40:02
  people,
• 40:03
  50
• 40:03
  years
• 40:03
  from
• 40:04
  now
• 40:04
  when
• 40:04
  they
• 40:04
  start
• 40:05
  fishing
• 40:05
  for
• 40:06
  mummichogs
• 40:07
  with
• 40:07
  a
• 40:07
  fly,
• 40:08
  you
• 40:08
  know,
• 40:09
  that
• 40:10
  all
• 40:10
  goes
• 40:10
  back
• 40:10
  to
• 40:11
  the
• 40:11
  roots
• 40:11
  of
• 40:12
  taking
• 40:12
  unpopular
• 40:14
  species
• 40:15
  and
• 40:15
  making
• 40:16
  them
• 40:16
  popular.
• 40:17
  And
• 40:17
  that's,
• 40:18
  to
• 40:18
  me,
• 40:18
  Marvin,
• 40:19
  that's
• 40:19
  what
• 40:20
  I
• 40:20
  think.
• 40:22
  I
• 40:22
  really
• 40:22
  like
• 40:22
  that,
• 40:22
  Henry.
• 40:23
  That's
• 40:23
  a,
• 40:23
  that's
• 40:24
  a
• 40:24
  really
• 40:24
  valid
• 40:24
  point.
• 40:26
  It's
• 40:26
  interesting,
• 40:26
  Henry,
• 40:27
  because
• 40:27
  I
• 40:27
  think
• 40:27
  I
• 40:27
  told
• 40:27
  you
• 40:28
  this
• 40:28
  yesterday
• 40:28
  when
• 40:29
  we
• 40:29
  were
• 40:29
  talking
• 40:29
  that,
• 40:29
  you
• 40:29
  know,
• 40:30
  like
• 40:30
  if
• 40:30
  you
• 40:30
  were
• 40:30
  to
• 40:30
  say
• 40:30
  Dave
• 40:31
  Whitlock,
• 40:31
  the
• 40:31
  picture
• 40:32
  that
• 40:32
  instantly
• 40:32
  comes
• 40:33
  to
• 40:33
  my
• 40:33
  mind
• 40:33
  is
• 40:34
  he's
• 40:34
  wearing
• 40:34
  a
• 40:34
  red
• 40:35
  long
• 40:35
  sleeve
• 40:35
  shirt
• 40:36
  and
• 40:36
  he's
• 40:37
  kneeling
• 40:37
  down
• 40:37
  and
• 40:38
  he's
• 40:38
  lipping
• 40:38
  a
• 40:38
  bass
• 40:39
  with
• 40:39
  a
• 40:39
  fly
• 40:39
  rod.
• 40:40
  And
• 40:40
  I
• 40:41
  don't
• 40:41
  know
• 40:41
  where
• 40:41
  that
• 40:41
  picture
• 40:42
  is,
• 40:42
  but
• 40:42
  it's
• 40:43
  somewhere
• 40:43
  that
• 40:43
  we've
• 40:43
  seen
• 40:44
  it
• 40:44
  a
• 40:44
  lot.
• 40:44
  And
• 40:45
  I
• 40:45
  think
• 40:45
  it's
• 40:45
  actually,
• 40:45
  honestly,
• 40:46
  I
• 40:46
  think
• 40:46
  it
• 40:46
  might
• 40:46
  be
• 40:46
  on
• 40:46
  the
• 40:46
  COVID
• 40:47
  an
• 40:47
  old
• 40:47
  fly
• 40:47
  fisherman
• 40:48
  pamphlet
• 40:48
  that
• 40:48
  I
• 40:48
  have
• 40:48
  here
• 40:49
  in
• 40:49
  my
• 40:49
  office.
• 40:50
  But
• 40:50
  to
• 40:50
  me
• 40:51
  that's
• 40:51
  kind
• 40:51
  of
• 40:51
  the,
• 40:52
  the
• 40:52
  quintessential
• 40:53
  picture.
• 40:54
  If
• 40:54
  you're
• 40:54
  not
• 40:54
  like,
• 40:54
  you
• 40:55
  know,
• 40:55
  watching
• 40:55
  Dave
• 40:55
  like
• 40:56
  interact
• 40:56
  with,
• 40:57
  you
• 40:57
  know,
• 40:57
  people
• 40:57
  that
• 40:57
  are
• 40:58
  buying
• 40:58
  his
• 40:58
  art
• 40:58
  and
• 40:58
  his
• 40:58
  coffee
• 40:59
  mugs
• 40:59
  and
• 40:59
  talking
• 40:59
  to
• 41:00
  him
• 41:00
  about
• 41:00
  stuff,
• 41:00
  that
• 41:00
  to
• 41:00
  me
• 41:01
  is
• 41:01
  the
• 41:02
  kind
• 41:02
  of
• 41:02
  quintessential
• 41:03
  picture
• 41:03
  of
• 41:03
  Dave
• 41:04
  Whitlock.
• 41:06
  Yeah,
• 41:06
  there's
• 41:07
  no
• 41:07
  question,
• 41:08
  no
• 41:08
  question.
• 41:08
  He
• 41:08
  was
• 41:09
  just,
• 41:10
  he
• 41:10
  was
• 41:10
  just
• 41:10
  a
• 41:11
  good
• 41:11
  old
• 41:11
  country
• 41:11
  boy
• 41:12
  who
• 41:12
  knew
• 41:12
  how
• 41:12
  to
• 41:12
  cast
• 41:13
  a
• 41:13
  rod
• 41:13
  and
• 41:13
  put
• 41:14
  fish
• 41:15
  in
• 41:15
  a,
• 41:15
  you
• 41:15
  know,
• 41:16
  on
• 41:16
  the
• 41:16
  beach
• 41:16
  or,
• 41:17
  you
• 41:17
  know,
• 41:18
  on
• 41:18
  the
• 41:18
  lake
• 41:18
  front
• 41:19
  or
• 41:19
  in
• 41:19
  a
• 41:20
  boat.
• 41:20
  And
• 41:20
  he
• 41:20
  just,
• 41:21
  he
• 41:21
  was
• 41:21
  a
• 41:21
  really
• 41:22
  fishy
• 41:23
  guy.
• 41:23
  Markman,
• 41:24
  I'm
• 41:24
  going
• 41:24
  to
• 41:24
  tell
• 41:24
  you,
• 41:25
  Dave
• 41:26
  had,
• 41:28
  did
• 41:28
  not
• 41:28
  have
• 41:28
  super
• 41:29
  short
• 41:29
  hair.
• 41:30
  And
• 41:31
  if
• 41:31
  you
• 41:31
  look
• 41:31
  behind
• 41:32
  his
• 41:32
  ear
• 41:33
  and
• 41:34
  just
• 41:34
  down,
• 41:35
  he
• 41:35
  had
• 41:35
  some
• 41:35
  gills
• 41:36
  in
• 41:36
  there,
• 41:36
  pal,
• 41:36
  let
• 41:37
  me
• 41:37
  tell
• 41:37
  you,
• 41:38
  there
• 41:38
  were
• 41:38
  gills
• 41:38
  under
• 41:39
  his
• 41:39
  ear.
• 41:40
  So
• 41:40
  just
• 41:40
  so
• 41:40
  you
• 41:41
  know.
• 41:43
  You
• 41:43
  know,
• 41:43
  one
• 41:43
  of
• 41:44
  the
• 41:44
  interesting
• 41:44
  things
• 41:44
  is,
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  know,
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  guys
• 41:45
  kind
• 41:45
  of
• 41:46
  bumped
• 41:46
  into
• 41:46
  each
• 41:46
  other
• 41:47
  because
• 41:48
  of
• 41:48
  your
• 41:48
  relationship
• 41:49
  with
• 41:49
  Dave,
• 41:49
  but
• 41:49
  you
• 41:49
  haven't
• 41:50
  really
• 41:50
  spent
• 41:50
  a
• 41:50
  lot
• 41:50
  of
• 41:50
  time
• 41:50
  together.
• 41:51
  So
• 41:51
  I
• 41:51
  thought
• 41:51
  it'd
• 41:51
  be
• 41:51
  really
• 41:52
  interesting
• 41:52
  this
• 41:52
  evening
• 41:53
  to
• 41:53
  let
• 41:53
  you
• 41:54
  each
• 41:54
  ask
• 41:54
  the
• 41:55
  other
• 41:55
  a
• 41:55
  question
• 41:56
  about
• 41:56
  Dave.
• 41:57
  So
• 41:57
  I
• 41:57
  don't
• 41:57
  know
• 41:58
  if
• 41:58
  you
• 41:58
  want
• 41:58
  a
• 41:58
  paper,
• 41:58
  rock,
• 41:58
  scissors
• 41:59
  for
• 41:59
  it,
• 41:59
  about
• 41:59
  who
• 41:59
  wants
• 42:00
  to
• 42:00
  go
• 42:00
  first
• 42:01
  or,
• 42:01
  you
• 42:01
  know,
• 42:01
  I'll
• 42:02
  just
• 42:02
  pick
• 42:02
  Alan
• 42:02
  and
• 42:02
  Alan,
• 42:03
  why
• 42:03
  don't
• 42:03
  you
• 42:03
  ask
• 42:03
  Henry
• 42:03
  a
• 42:04
  question
• 42:04
  then,
• 42:04
  Henry,
• 42:04
  you
• 42:04
  can
• 42:05
  return
• 42:05
  the
• 42:05
  favor.
• 42:06
  Well,
• 42:06
  I
• 42:07
  wanted
• 42:07
  to
• 42:08
  know
• 42:08
  if
• 42:09
  he
• 42:09
  ever
• 42:11
  worked
• 42:11
  with
• 42:11
  you
• 42:12
  on
• 42:12
  fly
• 42:13
  design
• 42:13
  and,
• 42:14
  and
• 42:15
  refining
• 42:15
  any
• 42:15
  flies
• 42:16
  or
• 42:16
  working
• 42:16
  with
• 42:16
  you
• 42:16
  on
• 42:17
  any
• 42:17
  of
• 42:17
  the
• 42:17
  ones
• 42:17
  that
• 42:17
  you
• 42:17
  had
• 42:19
  created.
• 42:20
  You
• 42:20
  know,
• 42:20
  that's
• 42:20
  a
• 42:20
  great
• 42:21
  question.
• 42:21
  Dave
• 42:21
  was
• 42:22
  too
• 42:22
  kind
• 42:22
  to
• 42:22
  want
• 42:23
  to
• 42:23
  refine
• 42:24
  my
• 42:24
  flies,
• 42:26
  you
• 42:27
  know,
• 42:27
  but
• 42:27
  he
• 42:28
  would
• 42:29
  always
• 42:29
  land
• 42:30
  an
• 42:30
  ear
• 42:30
  and
• 42:31
  say,
• 42:31
  you
• 42:31
  know,
• 42:31
  I'd
• 42:32
  send
• 42:32
  him
• 42:32
  something
• 42:32
  and
• 42:32
  say,
• 42:32
  hey
• 42:33
  Dave,
• 42:33
  you
• 42:34
  know,
• 42:34
  I've
• 42:34
  got
• 42:34
  this
• 42:35
  little
• 42:35
  fly
• 42:35
  called
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  something
• 42:36
  else.
• 42:37
  And
• 42:38
  you
• 42:38
  know,
• 42:39
  it's
• 42:39
  nothing
• 42:40
  more
• 42:40
  than
• 42:41
  a
• 42:41
  polar
• 42:41
  fiber
• 42:42
  minnow
• 42:42
  that's
• 42:43
  all.
• 42:43
  It's
• 42:43
  a
• 42:43
  polar
• 42:44
  fiber
• 42:45
  Clauser
• 42:45
  Minnow
• 42:46
  is
• 42:46
  what
• 42:46
  it
• 42:46
  is.
• 42:47
  You
• 42:47
  just
• 42:47
  take
• 42:47
  a
• 42:47
  Clauser,
• 42:48
  tie
• 42:48
  it
• 42:48
  on
• 42:48
  a
• 42:48
  size
• 42:49
  6
• 42:49
  hook
• 42:50
  with
• 42:50
  polar
• 42:51
  fiber,
• 42:51
  gray
• 42:51
  on
• 42:52
  top,
• 42:52
  white
• 42:52
  on
• 42:52
  the
• 42:53
  bottom,
• 42:53
  the
• 42:53
  ticket
• 42:54
  with
• 42:54
  a
• 42:54
  little
• 42:54
  silver
• 42:55
  flash
• 42:56
  and
• 42:56
  we
• 42:56
  put
• 42:57
  a
• 42:57
  little
• 42:57
  hot
• 42:58
  pink
• 42:58
  fluorofiber
• 42:59
  in
• 42:59
  at
• 42:59
  the
• 42:59
  throat
• 43:00
  as
• 43:01
  a
• 43:01
  trigger.
• 43:02
  And
• 43:02
  you
• 43:03
  know,
• 43:04
  Dave
• 43:04
  would
• 43:05
  look
• 43:05
  at
• 43:05
  that
• 43:05
  and
• 43:05
  he
• 43:06
  goes,
• 43:06
  you
• 43:06
  know,
• 43:06
  that
• 43:06
  is
• 43:07
  going
• 43:07
  to
• 43:07
  crush.
• 43:07
  He
• 43:08
  went
• 43:08
  before
• 43:08
  I
• 43:08
  even
• 43:08
  started
• 43:09
  really
• 43:11
  passing
• 43:11
  it
• 43:11
  around
• 43:11
  and
• 43:12
  whatnot.
• 43:12
  Dave
• 43:12
  said
• 43:13
  to
• 43:13
  me,
• 43:13
  that
• 43:13
  is
• 43:13
  going
• 43:14
  to
• 43:14
  crush
• 43:14
  him
• 43:15
  because
• 43:15
  those
• 43:16
  silly
• 43:16
  stripers
• 43:17
  are
• 43:17
  so
• 43:18
  hard
• 43:18
  to,
• 43:19
  to
• 43:19
  feed
• 43:20
  a
• 43:20
  fly
• 43:21
  to
• 43:21
  when
• 43:21
  they're
• 43:22
  on
• 43:22
  that
• 43:22
  ultra
• 43:23
  small
• 43:23
  bait.
• 43:23
  It's
• 43:24
  just
• 43:24
  incredible.
• 43:25
  And,
• 43:26
  but
• 43:26
  so,
• 43:27
  you
• 43:28
  know,
• 43:28
  you
• 43:28
  know,
• 43:28
  Dave
• 43:29
  knew
• 43:29
  what
• 43:29
  was
• 43:30
  going
• 43:30
  to
• 43:30
  work
• 43:30
  and
• 43:30
  what
• 43:31
  wasn't
• 43:31
  going
• 43:31
  to
• 43:31
  work.
• 43:32
  You
• 43:32
  know,
• 43:33
  he
• 43:33
  tied
• 43:33
  a
• 43:33
  lot
• 43:34
  better
• 43:34
  than
• 43:34
  olive
• 43:34
  a
• 43:35
  tie.
• 43:35
  But,
• 43:35
  but
• 43:35
  you
• 43:36
  know,
• 43:36
  I'm
• 43:36
  not
• 43:36
  the
• 43:36
  perfectionist.
• 43:37
  I
• 43:37
  tie
• 43:38
  guide
• 43:38
  flies,
• 43:38
  Alan.
• 43:39
  So
• 43:39
  I
• 43:39
  got
• 43:40
  to
• 43:40
  bang
• 43:40
  my
• 43:40
  flies
• 43:41
  out
• 43:41
  in
• 43:41
  five
• 43:41
  minutes
• 43:42
  because
• 43:43
  I
• 43:43
  lose
• 43:43
  so
• 43:43
  many
• 43:44
  to
• 43:44
  customers.
• 43:44
  Hitting
• 43:45
  them
• 43:45
  off
• 43:45
  the
• 43:45
  back
• 43:46
  of
• 43:46
  the
• 43:46
  motor
• 43:47
  or
• 43:47
  wrapping
• 43:47
  it
• 43:48
  around
• 43:48
  the
• 43:48
  antenna
• 43:49
  on
• 43:49
  the,
• 43:49
  you
• 43:49
  know,
• 43:49
  at
• 43:49
  the
• 43:50
  center
• 43:50
  console.
• 43:51
  And
• 43:51
  we
• 43:51
  just
• 43:52
  lose
• 43:52
  a
• 43:52
  lot
• 43:52
  of
• 43:52
  flies,
• 43:53
  you
• 43:53
  know,
• 43:53
  so
• 43:54
  I,
• 43:54
  I,
• 43:54
  when
• 43:55
  I
• 43:55
  was
• 43:55
  laughing
• 43:56
  when
• 43:56
  you
• 43:56
  were
• 43:56
  telling
• 43:56
  the
• 43:57
  story,
• 43:58
  you
• 43:58
  know,
• 43:58
  about,
• 44:00
  you
• 44:00
  know,
• 44:00
  about
• 44:01
  the,
• 44:02
  how
• 44:02
  he
• 44:02
  made
• 44:02
  that
• 44:03
  fly
• 44:03
  so
• 44:04
  much
• 44:04
  easier
• 44:05
  to
• 44:05
  tie.
• 44:05
  The
• 44:06
  other
• 44:06
  fly
• 44:06
  you
• 44:06
  were
• 44:06
  discussing
• 44:07
  earlier,
• 44:07
  what
• 44:08
  was
• 44:08
  that?
• 44:08
  The
• 44:08
  sex
• 44:09
  dungeon
• 44:09
  or
• 44:09
  one
• 44:10
  of
• 44:10
  those
• 44:10
  flies
• 44:10
  you
• 44:11
  had
• 44:11
  mentioned.
• 44:12
  Yeah,
• 44:12
  Kelly
• 44:12
  gallop
• 44:13
  was
• 44:13
  looking
• 44:13
  for
• 44:13
  Kelly.
• 44:14
  Gallop
• 44:14
  fly
• 44:14
  right
• 44:15
  the
• 44:15
  sculpt.
• 44:16
  And,
• 44:16
  and
• 44:16
  you
• 44:17
  know,
• 44:17
  that's
• 44:18
  my
• 44:18
  fly
• 44:19
  tie
• 44:19
  comes
• 44:19
  right
• 44:20
  out
• 44:20
  of
• 44:20
  that,
• 44:22
  that,
• 44:23
  that
• 44:24
  attitude
• 44:24
  of,
• 44:25
  you
• 44:25
  know,
• 44:25
  short
• 44:26
  and
• 44:26
  sweet,
• 44:27
  that
• 44:27
  catches
• 44:27
  fish
• 44:28
  is
• 44:28
  good
• 44:28
  enough.
• 44:29
  But
• 44:29
  I
• 44:29
  did
• 44:29
  not
• 44:30
  have
• 44:30
  Dave
• 44:30
  perfectionist
• 44:31
  eye
• 44:32
  like
• 44:32
  he
• 44:32
  has.
• 44:34
  So,
• 44:34
  but,
• 44:35
  so
• 44:36
  that
• 44:36
  was,
• 44:36
  you
• 44:36
  know,
• 44:36
  a
• 44:37
  little
• 44:37
  bit
• 44:37
  of
• 44:37
  influence.
• 44:38
  But
• 44:39
  like
• 44:39
  I
• 44:39
  said,
• 44:40
  he
• 44:40
  was
• 44:40
  always,
• 44:40
  I'll
• 44:41
  tell
• 44:41
  you
• 44:41
  one
• 44:41
  thing,
• 44:41
  here's
• 44:42
  something
• 44:43
  back,
• 44:44
  back
• 44:44
  in
• 44:45
  the
• 44:46
  early,
• 44:46
  about
• 44:47
  2000,
• 44:48
  2002,
• 44:49
  Dave
• 44:49
  saw
• 44:50
  my
• 44:50
  coyote
• 44:51
  fly,
• 44:51
  which
• 44:51
  had
• 44:51
  the
• 44:52
  little
• 44:52
  spinner
• 44:52
  blade
• 44:53
  in
• 44:53
  the
• 44:53
  front
• 44:54
  and
• 44:54
  it's
• 44:54
  a
• 44:55
  rabbit
• 44:55
  clauser
• 44:56
  with
• 44:56
  a
• 44:56
  spinner
• 44:56
  blade.
• 44:57
  And
• 44:57
  the
• 44:58
  spinner
• 44:58
  blade
• 44:58
  was
• 44:58
  there
• 44:59
  to
• 45:00
  pulsate
• 45:00
  and
• 45:00
  make
• 45:01
  noise
• 45:01
  in,
• 45:01
  in
• 45:02
  less
• 45:03
  clear
• 45:03
  water
• 45:04
  to
• 45:04
  get
• 45:04
  them
• 45:04
  to
• 45:05
  feel
• 45:05
  it.
• 45:05
  And
• 45:06
  back
• 45:06
  in
• 45:06
  those
• 45:06
  days,
• 45:07
  Alan
• 45:08
  tying
• 45:09
  flies
• 45:09
  with
• 45:10
  hardware
• 45:11
  was
• 45:11
  poo
• 45:11
  pooed.
• 45:12
  You
• 45:13
  know,
• 45:13
  everybody
• 45:14
  gave
• 45:14
  you
• 45:15
  a
• 45:15
  really
• 45:15
  hard
• 45:16
  time
• 45:16
  about
• 45:16
  that.
• 45:17
  And
• 45:18
  Dave
• 45:18
  was
• 45:18
  one
• 45:19
  of
• 45:19
  the
• 45:19
  first
• 45:19
  people
• 45:19
  to
• 45:20
  say,
• 45:20
  I
• 45:20
  love
• 45:20
  that.
• 45:21
  That's
• 45:21
  a
• 45:21
  great
• 45:22
  idea.
• 45:23
  He
• 45:23
  was
• 45:23
  so
• 45:24
  encouraging,
• 45:25
  you
• 45:25
  know,
• 45:25
  about
• 45:26
  stuff
• 45:26
  like
• 45:27
  that.
• 45:27
  That,
• 45:27
  that
• 45:28
  was
• 45:28
  the
• 45:28
  gentleman
• 45:28
  in
• 45:29
  Dave
• 45:29
  Whitlock.
• 45:30
  So
• 45:31
  that
• 45:32
  as,
• 45:32
  as,
• 45:34
  as
• 45:36
  Tom
• 45:37
  Hanks
• 45:37
  would
• 45:37
  say,
• 45:37
  that's
• 45:38
  all
• 45:38
  I'm
• 45:38
  going
• 45:38
  to
• 45:38
  say
• 45:39
  about
• 45:39
  that.
• 45:44
  So.
• 45:44
  Good
• 45:44
  old
• 45:45
  Ford
• 45:46
  scump.
• 45:47
  But
• 45:47
  I
• 45:48
  do
• 45:48
  have
• 45:48
  a
• 45:48
  question
• 45:48
  for
• 45:49
  you.
• 45:50
  I
• 45:50
  wanted
• 45:51
  to
• 45:51
  know,
• 45:51
  and
• 45:52
  this
• 45:52
  is
• 45:52
  just
• 45:52
  a
• 45:53
  personal
• 45:53
  question
• 45:53
  because
• 45:54
  you
• 45:54
  were
• 45:54
  close
• 45:54
  with
• 45:55
  Dave.
• 45:55
  You
• 45:55
  know
• 45:55
  Dave
• 45:56
  really
• 45:56
  well.
• 45:57
  If
• 45:57
  you
• 45:58
  had
• 45:58
  one
• 45:58
  day
• 45:59
  left
• 45:59
  to
• 45:59
  fish
• 46:01
  and
• 46:01
  you
• 46:01
  could
• 46:01
  take
• 46:02
  Dave
• 46:02
  fishing
• 46:03
  with
• 46:03
  you,
• 46:04
  where
• 46:05
  would
• 46:05
  you
• 46:05
  want
• 46:05
  to
• 46:05
  go
• 46:06
  and
• 46:06
  what
• 46:07
  species
• 46:07
  would
• 46:07
  you
• 46:08
  want
• 46:08
  to
• 46:08
  catch
• 46:08
  with
• 46:08
  him?
• 46:09
  What
• 46:09
  would
• 46:09
  be
• 46:09
  your
• 46:10
  ideal
• 46:11
  fishing
• 46:12
  day
• 46:12
  with
• 46:12
  Dave?
• 46:16
  That's
• 46:16
  actually
• 46:16
  a
• 46:16
  pretty
• 46:17
  easy
• 46:17
  one
• 46:17
  for
• 46:17
  me.
• 46:18
  I'm
• 46:19
  currently
• 46:21
  in
• 46:21
  love
• 46:21
  with
• 46:22
  Birmingham,
• 46:22
  Alabama
• 46:23
  right
• 46:23
  now.
• 46:24
  The
• 46:24
  fishing
• 46:25
  down
• 46:25
  there
• 46:25
  with
• 46:25
  Rob
• 46:25
  Rogers.
• 46:26
  He's
• 46:27
  just
• 46:27
  got
• 46:27
  some
• 46:27
  really
• 46:28
  cool
• 46:28
  canoe
• 46:28
  fishing.
• 46:30
  You
• 46:30
  can
• 46:30
  wait
• 46:30
  it
• 46:30
  a
• 46:31
  little
• 46:31
  bit.
• 46:32
  Virtually
• 46:32
  no
• 46:33
  other
• 46:33
  boat
• 46:33
  will
• 46:33
  do
• 46:33
  it.
• 46:35
  And
• 46:38
  it's,
• 46:39
  it's
• 46:39
  mostly
• 46:40
  spotted
• 46:40
  bass.
• 46:41
  There's
• 46:41
  a
• 46:41
  few
• 46:41
  red
• 46:41
  eyes
• 46:42
  mixed
• 46:42
  in,
• 46:42
  some
• 46:42
  nice
• 46:43
  sized
• 46:43
  gills
• 46:43
  here
• 46:43
  and
• 46:43
  there
• 46:45
  and
• 46:46
  it's,
• 46:47
  it's
• 46:47
  just
• 46:48
  intimate
• 46:48
  fishing.
• 46:50
  And
• 46:50
  he's
• 46:50
  got
• 46:51
  some
• 46:51
  good
• 46:51
  quality
• 46:51
  spots.
• 46:52
  He's
• 46:52
  getting
• 46:52
  some
• 46:52
  three
• 46:53
  and
• 46:53
  fours
• 46:53
  and
• 46:54
  you
• 46:54
  know,
• 46:55
  I
• 46:55
  haven't
• 46:55
  gotten
• 46:55
  a
• 46:56
  five
• 46:56
  there
• 46:56
  yet,
• 46:56
  but
• 46:56
  I've
• 46:56
  seen
• 46:57
  them
• 46:57
  and
• 46:57
  he's,
• 46:57
  he's
• 46:57
  shown
• 46:58
  me
• 46:58
  tons
• 46:58
  of
• 46:58
  pictures
• 46:58
  of
• 46:59
  them
• 46:59
  and
• 46:59
  I
• 46:59
  know
• 47:00
  Dave
• 47:00
  liked
• 47:00
  that
• 47:01
  area
• 47:01
  as
• 47:01
  well.
• 47:03
  And
• 47:03
  in
• 47:03
  fact
• 47:03
  the
• 47:04
  reason
• 47:04
  I
• 47:04
  go
• 47:04
  down
• 47:04
  there
• 47:04
  is
• 47:04
  because
• 47:05
  of
• 47:05
  Dave.
• 47:06
  So
• 47:06
  I'd
• 47:07
  like
• 47:07
  to
• 47:07
  go
• 47:07
  down
• 47:07
  there
• 47:07
  and
• 47:07
  fish
• 47:08
  with
• 47:08
  him
• 47:09
  and
• 47:10
  because
• 47:10
  we'd
• 47:10
  also
• 47:11
  get
• 47:11
  to
• 47:11
  fish
• 47:11
  those
• 47:11
  air
• 47:11
  jet
• 47:12
  minnows
• 47:12
  that
• 47:12
  I
• 47:12
  like
• 47:12
  to
• 47:13
  fish.
• 47:13
  They're.
• 47:14
  That
• 47:14
  little
• 47:15
  air
• 47:16
  jet
• 47:16
  minnow
• 47:16
  that
• 47:16
  he
• 47:17
  tied
• 47:17
  is
• 47:17
  a
• 47:18
  super
• 47:18
  effective
• 47:19
  little
• 47:19
  popping
• 47:19
  bug.
• 47:21
  It's
• 47:21
  so
• 47:21
  much
• 47:21
  more
• 47:21
  than
• 47:22
  a
• 47:22
  popping
• 47:22
  bug.
• 47:23
  He
• 47:23
  used
• 47:23
  to
• 47:23
  yell
• 47:23
  at
• 47:23
  me.
• 47:24
  He
• 47:24
  used
• 47:24
  to
• 47:25
  actually
• 47:25
  get
• 47:25
  upset
• 47:25
  when
• 47:26
  I
• 47:26
  would
• 47:26
  call
• 47:26
  it
• 47:26
  a
• 47:26
  popping
• 47:26
  bug
• 47:27
  because
• 47:27
  it
• 47:28
  is
• 47:28
  so
• 47:28
  much
• 47:28
  more
• 47:28
  than
• 47:29
  that.
• 47:30
  But
• 47:31
  the
• 47:31
  name
• 47:31
  that
• 47:31
  he
• 47:31
  chose
• 47:32
  was
• 47:33
  too
• 47:33
  much
• 47:33
  of
• 47:33
  a
• 47:33
  sentence
• 47:34
  to
• 47:34
  try
• 47:34
  to
• 47:34
  say
• 47:34
  every
• 47:34
  time
• 47:35
  you're
• 47:35
  talking
• 47:35
  about.
• 47:35
  It's
• 47:36
  the
• 47:36
  extra
• 47:36
  ultralight
• 47:37
  air
• 47:37
  jet
• 47:37
  minnow.
• 47:39
  It's.
• 47:40
  But
• 47:40
  it
• 47:40
  was
• 47:40
  a,
• 47:40
  it's
• 47:41
  a
• 47:41
  fabulous
• 47:41
  fly,
• 47:43
  so.
• 47:43
  And
• 47:43
  I'd
• 47:44
  love
• 47:44
  to
• 47:44
  do
• 47:44
  that
• 47:44
  with
• 47:44
  him.
• 47:45
  Yeah,
• 47:45
  he,
• 47:46
  he
• 47:46
  loved
• 47:46
  his,
• 47:47
  he
• 47:47
  loved
• 47:47
  his
• 47:47
  bass,
• 47:48
  didn't
• 47:48
  he?
• 47:49
  You
• 47:50
  know,
• 47:50
  he
• 47:50
  did.
• 47:51
  But
• 47:51
  I,
• 47:51
  what
• 47:52
  it,
• 47:52
  what
• 47:52
  I
• 47:53
  realized
• 47:53
  at
• 47:53
  the
• 47:54
  last
• 47:54
  two
• 47:54
  or
• 47:54
  three
• 47:55
  years
• 47:55
  with
• 47:55
  him
• 47:56
  is
• 47:57
  he
• 47:58
  wanted
• 47:58
  to
• 47:58
  catch
• 47:58
  fish
• 47:58
  the
• 47:59
  way
• 47:59
  he
• 47:59
  wanted
• 47:59
  to
• 47:59
  catch
• 47:59
  them.
• 48:00
  So
• 48:00
  if
• 48:01
  the
• 48:01
  conditions
• 48:01
  didn't
• 48:01
  allow
• 48:02
  that,
• 48:03
  he
• 48:03
  wasn't
• 48:03
  bothered
• 48:04
  to
• 48:04
  go.
• 48:04
  He
• 48:04
  didn't
• 48:04
  have
• 48:05
  to
• 48:05
  go
• 48:05
  fishing
• 48:06
  just
• 48:06
  to
• 48:06
  catch
• 48:07
  a
• 48:07
  fish.
• 48:07
  Like
• 48:07
  if
• 48:08
  we
• 48:08
  went
• 48:08
  to
• 48:08
  that
• 48:08
  pond
• 48:09
  and,
• 48:09
  and
• 48:09
  the
• 48:09
  top
• 48:09
  water's
• 48:10
  bite
• 48:10
  was
• 48:11
  off,
• 48:11
  I'd
• 48:11
  pick
• 48:11
  up
• 48:12
  a
• 48:12
  Clouser
• 48:13
  or
• 48:13
  a
• 48:13
  half
• 48:13
  and
• 48:13
  half
• 48:14
  or
• 48:14
  you
• 48:14
  know,
• 48:14
  I
• 48:15
  would
• 48:15
  pick
• 48:15
  up
• 48:15
  other
• 48:15
  streamers
• 48:16
  and
• 48:16
  start
• 48:16
  going
• 48:16
  to
• 48:17
  town
• 48:17
  on
• 48:17
  him.
• 48:17
  Still,
• 48:18
  he
• 48:18
  wouldn't.
• 48:19
  If
• 48:20
  they
• 48:20
  weren't
• 48:20
  gonna
• 48:20
  eat
• 48:20
  a
• 48:20
  top
• 48:21
  water,
• 48:21
  if
• 48:21
  they
• 48:21
  weren't
• 48:21
  gonna
• 48:21
  eat
• 48:22
  the
• 48:22
  air
• 48:22
  jet
• 48:22
  minnow
• 48:22
  or
• 48:22
  one
• 48:23
  of
• 48:23
  his
• 48:23
  deer
• 48:23
  hair
• 48:23
  divers
• 48:24
  or
• 48:24
  a
• 48:25
  whit
• 48:25
  hair
• 48:25
  bug,
• 48:25
  like
• 48:26
  he
• 48:26
  didn't
• 48:26
  want
• 48:26
  to
• 48:26
  fish
• 48:27
  anything
• 48:27
  else
• 48:27
  for
• 48:28
  those.
• 48:29
  Right.
• 48:30
  And
• 48:30
  I
• 48:30
  kind
• 48:30
  of,
• 48:33
  at
• 48:33
  the
• 48:33
  time,
• 48:33
  I
• 48:33
  was
• 48:33
  like,
• 48:34
  wow,
• 48:34
  man.
• 48:34
  Like
• 48:34
  I.
• 48:35
  Because
• 48:35
  I
• 48:36
  don't
• 48:36
  get
• 48:36
  to,
• 48:36
  you
• 48:36
  know,
• 48:37
  I
• 48:37
  haven't
• 48:37
  had
• 48:38
  60
• 48:38
  years
• 48:38
  of
• 48:38
  fishing
• 48:39
  like
• 48:39
  you
• 48:39
  did
• 48:39
  or
• 48:39
  70
• 48:40
  years
• 48:40
  of
• 48:40
  fishing.
• 48:41
  I
• 48:41
  just
• 48:41
  want
• 48:41
  to
• 48:41
  catch
• 48:42
  fish
• 48:42
  anytime
• 48:42
  I
• 48:43
  can.
• 48:43
  I,
• 48:43
  I'm
• 48:44
  starting
• 48:44
  to
• 48:44
  understand
• 48:44
  why.
• 48:44
  He
• 48:45
  was
• 48:45
  like,
• 48:45
  no,
• 48:46
  when
• 48:46
  you
• 48:46
  go
• 48:46
  fishing,
• 48:46
  you
• 48:46
  want
• 48:47
  to
• 48:47
  catch
• 48:47
  them
• 48:47
  the
• 48:47
  way
• 48:47
  you
• 48:47
  want
• 48:48
  to
• 48:48
  catch
• 48:48
  them.
• 48:49
  And
• 48:49
  if
• 48:49
  that
• 48:49
  means
• 48:50
  you
• 48:50
  only
• 48:50
  get
• 48:50
  15
• 48:51
  in
• 48:51
  the
• 48:51
  day
• 48:51
  instead
• 48:52
  of
• 48:52
  45,
• 48:52
  well,
• 48:53
  that's
• 48:53
  okay
• 48:53
  too,
• 48:54
  as
• 48:54
  long
• 48:54
  as
• 48:55
  you
• 48:55
  know
• 48:55
  that
• 48:55
  you've
• 48:55
  made
• 48:56
  that
• 48:56
  choice.
• 48:57
  Right.
• 48:58
  Right.
• 48:58
  I
• 48:58
  know
• 48:58
  that.
• 48:59
  You
• 49:00
  know,
• 49:00
  before
• 49:00
  he
• 49:00
  passed,
• 49:01
  for
• 49:01
  last
• 49:01
  few
• 49:01
  years,
• 49:02
  couple
• 49:02
  of
• 49:02
  years
• 49:03
  before
• 49:03
  he
• 49:03
  passed,
• 49:05
  we'd
• 49:05
  been
• 49:05
  trying
• 49:05
  to
• 49:06
  set
• 49:06
  up
• 49:06
  a
• 49:06
  north
• 49:06
  Georgia
• 49:07
  float
• 49:07
  trip
• 49:08
  for
• 49:08
  him
• 49:08
  to
• 49:08
  catch
• 49:08
  shoal
• 49:09
  bass.
• 49:09
  He
• 49:09
  loved.
• 49:10
  He
• 49:10
  wanted
• 49:11
  to
• 49:11
  catch
• 49:11
  shoal
• 49:11
  bass
• 49:12
  in
• 49:12
  the
• 49:12
  worst
• 49:12
  way.
• 49:13
  Yeah.
• 49:13
  And
• 49:14
  those
• 49:14
  are
• 49:14
  native
• 49:14
  as,
• 49:15
  you
• 49:15
  know,
• 49:15
  to
• 49:15
  Georgia.
• 49:16
  Yeah.
• 49:16
  And
• 49:17
  every
• 49:17
  time
• 49:18
  he
• 49:18
  came
• 49:18
  up
• 49:18
  and
• 49:19
  around
• 49:19
  these
• 49:19
  parts,
• 49:20
  the
• 49:20
  weather
• 49:20
  just,
• 49:21
  you
• 49:22
  know,
• 49:22
  when
• 49:22
  he
• 49:22
  planned
• 49:22
  a
• 49:23
  week
• 49:23
  and
• 49:23
  go,
• 49:23
  this
• 49:23
  is
• 49:23
  when
• 49:24
  I
• 49:24
  can
• 49:24
  come
• 49:24
  for
• 49:24
  these
• 49:25
  two
• 49:25
  or
• 49:25
  three
• 49:25
  days.
• 49:26
  And
• 49:26
  the
• 49:26
  weather
• 49:26
  just
• 49:26
  looked
• 49:27
  awful.
• 49:28
  And
• 49:28
  I
• 49:29
  regret
• 49:29
  that
• 49:29
  we
• 49:29
  never
• 49:30
  got
• 49:30
  the
• 49:31
  boys
• 49:31
  at
• 49:31
  Unicoi
• 49:32
  Outfitters
• 49:33
  up
• 49:33
  in
• 49:33
  Helen
• 49:34
  have
• 49:35
  some
• 49:35
  of
• 49:35
  the,
• 49:35
  you
• 49:35
  know,
• 49:36
  I
• 49:36
  know
• 49:36
  everybody
• 49:36
  talks
• 49:37
  about
• 49:37
  the
• 49:37
  Flint
• 49:37
  river
• 49:38
  and
• 49:38
  shoal
• 49:38
  bass.
• 49:39
  I
• 49:39
  am
• 49:39
  telling
• 49:39
  you,
• 49:40
  the
• 49:40
  boys
• 49:41
  up
• 49:41
  at
• 49:41
  unicoi
• 49:42
  have
• 49:42
  it
• 49:43
  dialed
• 49:43
  in
• 49:44
  and
• 49:45
  it's
• 49:45
  just
• 49:45
  a
• 49:46
  great
• 49:46
  fishery.
• 49:47
  And
• 49:47
  he
• 49:47
  really
• 49:47
  wanted
• 49:48
  to
• 49:48
  do
• 49:48
  that.
• 49:50
  Yeah,
• 49:51
  yeah.
• 49:51
  You
• 49:51
  talked
• 49:51
  to
• 49:52
  me
• 49:52
  about
• 49:52
  that
• 49:52
  in
• 49:52
  the
• 49:52
  red
• 49:52
  eye
• 49:53
  as
• 49:53
  well.
• 49:54
  Yes,
• 49:54
  I'm
• 49:55
  trying
• 49:55
  to
• 49:55
  get
• 49:55
  all
• 49:55
  of
• 49:55
  the
• 49:55
  red
• 49:55
  eyes
• 49:56
  now
• 49:56
  I've
• 49:56
  got
• 49:56
  two
• 49:56
  of
• 49:56
  the
• 49:57
  species
• 49:57
  done.
• 49:58
  Well,
• 49:58
  listen,
• 49:59
  if
• 49:59
  you
• 49:59
  come
• 49:59
  down
• 50:00
  to
• 50:00
  Georgia,
• 50:01
  we'll
• 50:01
  hook
• 50:01
  up
• 50:01
  and
• 50:02
  get
• 50:02
  a
• 50:02
  trip.
• 50:02
  The
• 50:02
  heck
• 50:03
  with
• 50:03
  Marvin.
• 50:03
  You
• 50:04
  and
• 50:04
  I'll
• 50:04
  get
• 50:04
  a
• 50:05
  trip
• 50:05
  and
• 50:05
  we'll,
• 50:06
  we'll
• 50:06
  go
• 50:06
  show
• 50:06
  that
• 50:07
  we'll
• 50:07
  get
• 50:07
  the
• 50:07
  boys
• 50:07
  from
• 50:08
  unicoida
• 50:09
  to
• 50:09
  row
• 50:09
  us
• 50:10
  down
• 50:10
  the
• 50:10
  river.
• 50:10
  We'll,
• 50:11
  we'll,
• 50:11
  we'll
• 50:11
  fish
• 50:12
  for
• 50:12
  show
• 50:12
  bass.
• 50:12
  And
• 50:13
  just
• 50:13
  so
• 50:13
  you
• 50:13
  know,
• 50:14
  you
• 50:14
  know,
• 50:14
  I'll
• 50:14
  fish
• 50:14
  anybody's
• 50:15
  fly.
• 50:15
  I
• 50:16
  don't
• 50:16
  care
• 50:16
  what,
• 50:16
  what
• 50:17
  I'm
• 50:17
  fishing.
• 50:17
  You
• 50:18
  know,
• 50:18
  I'm
• 50:18
  good,
• 50:19
  whatever.
• 50:20
  I'll
• 50:20
  show
• 50:20
  up
• 50:21
  with
• 50:21
  a
• 50:21
  bunch
• 50:21
  of
• 50:21
  air
• 50:21
  jets
• 50:21
  and
• 50:21
  deer
• 50:22
  hair
• 50:22
  divers.
• 50:23
  That
• 50:23
  sounds
• 50:24
  perfect.
• 50:25
  Yeah.
• 50:25
  And
• 50:25
  then
• 50:25
  I
• 50:26
  always
• 50:26
  have
• 50:26
  clousers
• 50:27
  too,
• 50:27
  because
• 50:28
  they
• 50:28
  Just
• 50:28
  work.
• 50:29
  Yeah,
• 50:30
  the.
• 50:30
  The
• 50:30
  American
• 50:31
  express
• 50:31
  of
• 50:32
  fly
• 50:32
  fishing.
• 50:32
  You
• 50:33
  don't
• 50:33
  leave
• 50:33
  home
• 50:33
  without
• 50:33
  it.
• 50:34
  You
• 50:34
  know
• 50:34
  what?
• 50:35
  That's
• 50:35
  going
• 50:36
  to
• 50:36
  be
• 50:36
  the
• 50:36
  new
• 50:36
  tagline
• 50:36
  for
• 50:37
  that
• 50:37
  fly.
• 50:38
  Yeah,
• 50:38
  there's
• 50:39
  a.
• 50:39
  There's
• 50:39
  a
• 50:39
  sticker
• 50:39
  for
• 50:40
  you.
• 50:40
  But,
• 50:40
  you
• 50:40
  know,
• 50:40
  it's
• 50:40
  interesting,
• 50:41
  Alan,
• 50:41
  because,
• 50:41
  you
• 50:42
  know,
• 50:42
  people,
• 50:43
  you
• 50:43
  know,
• 50:43
  see
• 50:44
  you
• 50:44
  on
• 50:44
  the
• 50:44
  show
• 50:44
  circuit,
• 50:45
  but
• 50:45
  I
• 50:45
  don't
• 50:45
  know
• 50:45
  that
• 50:45
  they
• 50:46
  know
• 50:47
  that
• 50:47
  Dave
• 50:47
  selected
• 50:48
  you
• 50:48
  to
• 50:48
  be
• 50:48
  kind
• 50:48
  of
• 50:49
  his
• 50:49
  legacy
• 50:49
  tire
• 50:50
  and
• 50:50
  one
• 50:50
  of
• 50:50
  the
• 50:50
  keepers
• 50:50
  of
• 50:50
  the
• 50:51
  flame.
• 50:51
  And
• 50:51
  one
• 50:51
  of
• 50:51
  the
• 50:52
  ways
• 50:52
  that
• 50:52
  you
• 50:52
  do
• 50:52
  that.
• 50:54
  Again,
• 50:54
  people
• 50:55
  see
• 50:55
  on
• 50:55
  tires
• 50:55
  row,
• 50:56
  you
• 50:56
  teach
• 50:56
  at
• 50:56
  the
• 50:56
  fly
• 50:57
  fishing
• 50:57
  shows,
• 50:57
  but
• 50:57
  you
• 50:58
  have
• 50:58
  a
• 50:58
  specialized
• 50:59
  Dave
• 50:59
  Whitlock
• 51:00
  school.
• 51:01
  They're
• 51:01
  near
• 51:01
  enough
• 51:01
  schools
• 51:02
  to
• 51:03
  really
• 51:03
  help
• 51:03
  people
• 51:04
  that
• 51:04
  are
• 51:04
  interested
• 51:05
  in
• 51:05
  understanding
• 51:07
  1.
• 51:07
  To
• 51:07
  participate
• 51:08
  in
• 51:08
  all
• 51:08
  these
• 51:08
  great
• 51:08
  stories
• 51:09
  like
• 51:09
  we've
• 51:09
  shared
• 51:09
  tonight,
• 51:10
  but
• 51:10
  also
• 51:10
  to
• 51:10
  understand
• 51:11
  the
• 51:11
  way
• 51:11
  Dave
• 51:11
  thought
• 51:12
  about
• 51:12
  things
• 51:12
  and
• 51:12
  the
• 51:12
  way
• 51:13
  he
• 51:13
  tied
• 51:13
  flies.
• 51:13
  You
• 51:13
  want
• 51:14
  to
• 51:14
  talk
• 51:14
  a
• 51:14
  little
• 51:14
  bit
• 51:14
  about
• 51:14
  that?
• 51:15
  Yeah,
• 51:16
  thank
• 51:16
  you.
• 51:17
  Yeah,
• 51:17
  I
• 51:17
  do.
• 51:18
  Near
• 51:18
  enough
• 51:18
  crayfish
• 51:19
  and
• 51:19
  near
• 51:19
  enough
• 51:19
  sculpin
• 51:20
  schools,
• 51:20
  and
• 51:20
  then
• 51:21
  I
• 51:21
  combine
• 51:21
  them
• 51:21
  and
• 51:21
  I
• 51:22
  call
• 51:22
  it
• 51:22
  the
• 51:22
  complete
• 51:22
  near
• 51:22
  enough
• 51:23
  school.
• 51:23
  But
• 51:23
  that's
• 51:24
  a.
• 51:24
  That's
• 51:24
  a
• 51:24
  full
• 51:25
  day
• 51:25
  class.
• 51:25
  It's
• 51:25
  about
• 51:25
  eight
• 51:26
  hours,
• 51:26
  six,
• 51:27
  six
• 51:27
  and
• 51:27
  a
• 51:27
  half
• 51:27
  to
• 51:28
  seven
• 51:28
  hours
• 51:28
  when
• 51:28
  you
• 51:29
  break
• 51:29
  for
• 51:29
  lunch
• 51:29
  at
• 51:30
  eight.
• 51:32
  And
• 51:32
  it's,
• 51:32
  you
• 51:33
  know,
• 51:33
  we
• 51:33
  go
• 51:33
  through.
• 51:33
  I
• 51:34
  teach
• 51:34
  you
• 51:34
  how
• 51:34
  to
• 51:34
  tie
• 51:34
  the
• 51:35
  flies.
• 51:35
  I
• 51:36
  teach
• 51:36
  you
• 51:36
  how
• 51:36
  to
• 51:36
  fish
• 51:36
  the
• 51:36
  flies.
• 51:37
  And
• 51:38
  more
• 51:38
  importantly,
• 51:39
  I
• 51:39
  spend
• 51:39
  time
• 51:40
  going
• 51:40
  through,
• 51:41
  you
• 51:41
  know,
• 51:41
  depending
• 51:42
  upon
• 51:42
  whether
• 51:42
  it's
• 51:43
  the
• 51:43
  crayfish
• 51:43
  or
• 51:43
  the
• 51:43
  sculpin,
• 51:44
  we
• 51:44
  go
• 51:44
  through
• 51:45
  probably
• 51:46
  60
• 51:46
  slides
• 51:48
  of
• 51:48
  different
• 51:48
  types
• 51:48
  of
• 51:49
  bait
• 51:49
  fish
• 51:49
  or
• 51:49
  crayfish
• 51:51
  so
• 51:51
  that
• 51:51
  people
• 51:52
  can
• 51:52
  understand
• 51:53
  why
• 51:53
  these
• 51:53
  flies
• 51:54
  are
• 51:54
  so
• 51:54
  important
• 51:54
  and
• 51:55
  so
• 51:55
  effective.
• 51:56
  There's
• 51:56
  over.
• 51:57
  There's
• 51:58
  over
• 51:58
  380
• 51:58
  species
• 51:59
  of
• 51:59
  crayfish
• 51:59
  in
• 51:59
  North
• 52:00
  America.
• 52:02
  And
• 52:03
  I.
• 52:03
  I
• 52:03
  forget
• 52:03
  the
• 52:03
  number
• 52:04
  of
• 52:04
  sculpins
• 52:04
  right
• 52:04
  now.
• 52:05
  Cause
• 52:05
  I
• 52:05
  haven't
• 52:05
  looked
• 52:05
  at
• 52:05
  that.
• 52:06
  That
• 52:06
  class
• 52:06
  in
• 52:07
  a
• 52:07
  couple
• 52:07
  of
• 52:07
  weeks
• 52:07
  or
• 52:07
  a
• 52:08
  month.
• 52:08
  A
• 52:08
  couple
• 52:08
  of
• 52:08
  months
• 52:08
  now,
• 52:09
  actually.
• 52:10
  But
• 52:10
  that
• 52:10
  same
• 52:11
  sculpin
• 52:11
  fly,
• 52:11
  it
• 52:11
  imitates
• 52:12
  the
• 52:12
  following
• 52:13
  species,
• 52:14
  which
• 52:14
  all
• 52:14
  live
• 52:14
  on
• 52:15
  the
• 52:15
  bottom.
• 52:15
  Whether
• 52:15
  it's
• 52:15
  darters,
• 52:16
  mad
• 52:17
  tom
• 52:17
  sculpin,
• 52:18
  stone
• 52:18
  cats
• 52:19
  and
• 52:19
  suckers,
• 52:20
  and
• 52:20
  hog
• 52:21
  roll.
• 52:21
  Hog
• 52:22
  hop,
• 52:22
  was
• 52:22
  it.
• 52:23
  Stone
• 52:23
  rollers,
• 52:23
  that's
• 52:24
  the
• 52:24
  other
• 52:24
  one.
• 52:25
  So
• 52:25
  all
• 52:25
  of
• 52:25
  those
• 52:26
  fish
• 52:26
  get
• 52:26
  imitated
• 52:26
  by
• 52:27
  the
• 52:27
  same
• 52:27
  pattern.
• 52:28
  Whether,
• 52:28
  you
• 52:29
  know,
• 52:29
  if
• 52:29
  it's
• 52:29
  under.
• 52:30
  Dave's
• 52:30
  rule
• 52:30
  is
• 52:31
  basically
• 52:32
  if
• 52:32
  it's
• 52:32
  under
• 52:32
  3
• 52:33
  inches,
• 52:33
  it's
• 52:33
  the
• 52:33
  near
• 52:34
  enough.
• 52:34
  If
• 52:34
  it's
• 52:34
  larger
• 52:35
  than
• 52:35
  3
• 52:35
  inches,
• 52:35
  we
• 52:35
  go
• 52:35
  to
• 52:35
  the
• 52:36
  matuga
• 52:36
  sculpin.
• 52:38
  And
• 52:38
  you
• 52:38
  just
• 52:38
  change
• 52:38
  the
• 52:39
  colors
• 52:39
  to.
• 52:39
  To
• 52:40
  match
• 52:40
  what's
• 52:40
  there
• 52:41
  naturally.
• 52:43
  But
• 52:43
  yeah,
• 52:43
  I
• 52:43
  go
• 52:44
  through
• 52:45
  presentation
• 52:45
  methods
• 52:47
  you
• 52:47
  know,
• 52:48
  and
• 52:48
  I
• 52:48
  bring
• 52:48
  in
• 52:48
  other
• 52:49
  people
• 52:49
  that
• 52:49
  have
• 52:49
  influenced
• 52:49
  me.
• 52:50
  I
• 52:50
  grew
• 52:50
  up
• 52:50
  in
• 52:50
  Northern
• 52:50
  Virginia,
• 52:51
  so
• 52:51
  Harry
• 52:52
  Murray.
• 52:52
  I
• 52:53
  grew
• 52:53
  up
• 52:53
  in
• 52:53
  Frederick,
• 52:53
  Maryland.
• 52:54
  Lefty
• 52:55
  lived
• 52:55
  in
• 52:56
  Frederick.
• 52:56
  I
• 52:56
  mean,
• 52:57
  I
• 52:57
  know,
• 52:57
  I
• 52:57
  know
• 52:58
  where
• 52:58
  they
• 52:58
  put
• 52:58
  the
• 52:58
  monument.
• 52:59
  I
• 52:59
  used
• 52:59
  to
• 52:59
  go
• 52:59
  fish
• 52:59
  in
• 52:59
  that
• 53:00
  pond
• 53:00
  as
• 53:00
  a
• 53:00
  kid.
• 53:02
  So
• 53:04
  the,
• 53:04
  these
• 53:05
  people
• 53:05
  all
• 53:05
  were
• 53:06
  part
• 53:06
  of
• 53:06
  my
• 53:06
  life
• 53:06
  in
• 53:06
  my
• 53:07
  growing
• 53:07
  up.
• 53:07
  But
• 53:07
  the.
• 53:08
  I
• 53:08
  have
• 53:08
  Harry
• 53:09
  Murray's
• 53:10
  talks
• 53:11
  about
• 53:11
  a
• 53:11
  fly
• 53:11
  tying
• 53:12
  or
• 53:12
  a
• 53:12
  fly
• 53:12
  fishing
• 53:12
  technique
• 53:13
  called
• 53:13
  swing
• 53:13
  nymphing,
• 53:14
  which
• 53:14
  he
• 53:14
  learned
• 53:15
  from
• 53:15
  Charlie
• 53:15
  Brooks.
• 53:16
  If
• 53:17
  you're
• 53:17
  on
• 53:17
  a
• 53:17
  small
• 53:18
  to
• 53:18
  medium
• 53:18
  sized
• 53:18
  river,
• 53:19
  I
• 53:19
  don't
• 53:19
  care
• 53:19
  if
• 53:19
  it's
• 53:19
  got
• 53:20
  any
• 53:20
  species
• 53:21
  of
• 53:21
  fish
• 53:21
  in
• 53:21
  it,
• 53:21
  whether
• 53:21
  it's
• 53:22
  channel
• 53:22
  catfish,
• 53:23
  walleye,
• 53:24
  smallmouth,
• 53:25
  largemouth,
• 53:25
  spotted
• 53:26
  bass,
• 53:26
  trout.
• 53:27
  If
• 53:27
  you
• 53:27
  swing
• 53:28
  them
• 53:28
  flies,
• 53:28
  you
• 53:29
  are
• 53:29
  going
• 53:29
  to
• 53:29
  crush
• 53:29
  fish.
• 53:30
  It's
• 53:30
  just
• 53:31
  incredibly
• 53:31
  effective.
• 53:33
  And
• 53:33
  you
• 53:33
  can
• 53:33
  do
• 53:34
  it
• 53:34
  with
• 53:34
  streamers
• 53:35
  like
• 53:35
  the
• 53:35
  Near
• 53:35
  Enough
• 53:36
  sculpin,
• 53:36
  the
• 53:37
  Near
• 53:37
  Enough
• 53:37
  crayfish,
• 53:38
  or
• 53:38
  you
• 53:39
  know,
• 53:39
  Harry
• 53:39
  Murray
• 53:39
  like
• 53:40
  to
• 53:40
  do
• 53:40
  it
• 53:40
  with
• 53:40
  his
• 53:40
  Murray
• 53:40
  strength
• 53:41
  or
• 53:41
  a
• 53:41
  Charlie
• 53:42
  Brook
• 53:42
  stonefly
• 53:42
  or,
• 53:43
  you
• 53:43
  know,
• 53:43
  you
• 53:43
  have
• 53:44
  lots
• 53:44
  of
• 53:44
  options.
• 53:45
  I
• 53:46
  used
• 53:46
  to
• 53:46
  do
• 53:46
  it
• 53:46
  a
• 53:46
  lot
• 53:47
  with
• 53:47
  a
• 53:48
  Clouser
• 53:48
  Foxy
• 53:49
  red
• 53:49
  minnow.
• 53:50
  That's
• 53:50
  going
• 53:50
  back
• 53:51
  like
• 53:51
  15
• 53:51
  or
• 53:51
  20
• 53:51
  years
• 53:52
  when
• 53:52
  I
• 53:52
  used
• 53:52
  to
• 53:52
  fish
• 53:52
  that
• 53:52
  fly
• 53:53
  a
• 53:53
  ton.
• 53:55
  So.
• 53:55
  But
• 53:55
  I
• 53:56
  go
• 53:56
  through
• 53:56
  all
• 53:56
  of
• 53:56
  these
• 53:56
  things,
• 53:57
  the
• 53:57
  different
• 53:57
  techniques,
• 53:58
  you
• 53:58
  know,
• 53:58
  Kelly
• 53:59
  Gallup's
• 53:59
  techniques
• 53:59
  work
• 54:00
  with
• 54:00
  some
• 54:00
  of
• 54:00
  these
• 54:00
  flies.
• 54:02
  But
• 54:02
  yeah,
• 54:03
  I
• 54:03
  do
• 54:03
  that.
• 54:03
  And
• 54:03
  then
• 54:04
  I
• 54:04
  do
• 54:05
  these
• 54:05
  same
• 54:05
  classes
• 54:06
  in
• 54:06
  person
• 54:06
  and
• 54:06
  then
• 54:06
  I
• 54:06
  do
• 54:06
  them
• 54:07
  on
• 54:07
  zoom
• 54:07
  calls
• 54:07
  as
• 54:07
  well.
• 54:08
  When
• 54:08
  I
• 54:08
  do
• 54:09
  a
• 54:09
  zoom
• 54:09
  call,
• 54:10
  I
• 54:10
  push
• 54:10
  out
• 54:10
  two
• 54:11
  images.
• 54:12
  One
• 54:12
  is
• 54:12
  480,
• 54:13
  which
• 54:13
  means
• 54:13
  it's
• 54:13
  not
• 54:14
  very
• 54:14
  good.
• 54:14
  And
• 54:15
  that's
• 54:15
  when
• 54:15
  you
• 54:15
  get
• 54:16
  to
• 54:16
  see
• 54:16
  my
• 54:16
  wonderful
• 54:17
  face.
• 54:17
  And
• 54:17
  you
• 54:18
  know,
• 54:18
  so
• 54:18
  I
• 54:18
  can
• 54:18
  hold
• 54:18
  up
• 54:19
  a
• 54:19
  whole
• 54:19
  skin
• 54:19
  and
• 54:20
  say
• 54:20
  this
• 54:20
  is
• 54:20
  where
• 54:20
  we're
• 54:20
  going
• 54:20
  to
• 54:20
  get
• 54:21
  our
• 54:21
  feathers
• 54:21
  from
• 54:21
  or
• 54:21
  something
• 54:22
  like
• 54:22
  that.
• 54:23
  And
• 54:23
  then
• 54:23
  I
• 54:23
  have
• 54:24
  another
• 54:24
  camera
• 54:25
  that's
• 54:25
  focused
• 54:26
  just
• 54:26
  on
• 54:26
  my,
• 54:27
  the,
• 54:27
  my
• 54:27
  vice
• 54:28
  and
• 54:28
  that's
• 54:28
  pushing
• 54:28
  out
• 54:29
  at
• 54:29
  1080p.
• 54:30
  That's
• 54:30
  pretty
• 54:31
  high
• 54:31
  res.
• 54:33
  And
• 54:33
  you
• 54:33
  can,
• 54:34
  you
• 54:34
  can
• 54:34
  see
• 54:35
  the,
• 54:35
  you
• 54:35
  know,
• 54:36
  you
• 54:36
  can
• 54:36
  count
• 54:36
  the
• 54:36
  Henkel
• 54:37
  barbs
• 54:37
  on
• 54:37
  a
• 54:37
  near
• 54:38
  enough
• 54:38
  crayfish
• 54:38
  pretty
• 54:39
  easily.
• 54:40
  You
• 54:40
  know,
• 54:40
  Marvin,
• 54:41
  I
• 54:41
  can,
• 54:42
  I
• 54:42
  can
• 54:42
  just
• 54:42
  tell
• 54:42
  you
• 54:42
  when
• 54:43
  it
• 54:43
  comes
• 54:43
  to
• 54:43
  Alan,
• 54:44
  and
• 54:44
  I
• 54:44
  mean
• 54:44
  this
• 54:45
  with
• 54:45
  the
• 54:45
  utmost
• 54:46
  respect
• 54:46
  and
• 54:46
  sincerity,
• 54:48
  I
• 54:48
  can't
• 54:48
  see
• 54:48
  Jerry
• 54:49
  Garcia
• 54:49
  and
• 54:50
  the
• 54:50
  Grateful
• 54:50
  Dead,
• 54:50
  but
• 54:51
  I
• 54:51
  can
• 54:51
  go
• 54:51
  to
• 54:51
  a
• 54:51
  Grateful
• 54:52
  Dead
• 54:52
  tribute
• 54:53
  band
• 54:53
  and
• 54:53
  have
• 54:53
  a
• 54:54
  wonderful
• 54:54
  time.
• 54:55
  This
• 54:55
  is
• 54:55
  our
• 54:56
  Dave
• 54:56
  Whitlock
• 54:57
  tribute
• 54:57
  tire.
• 54:58
  And
• 54:59
  you
• 54:59
  can
• 54:59
  get
• 54:59
  a
• 54:59
  lot
• 55:00
  of,
• 55:00
  you
• 55:00
  know,
• 55:01
  you
• 55:01
  can
• 55:01
  get
• 55:01
  a
• 55:01
  lot
• 55:02
  of
• 55:02
  good
• 55:02
  stuff
• 55:03
  out
• 55:03
  of
• 55:03
  that
• 55:03
  kind
• 55:03
  of
• 55:04
  a,
• 55:04
  out
• 55:04
  of
• 55:05
  that
• 55:05
  kind
• 55:05
  of
• 55:05
  a
• 55:05
  show
• 55:05
  and
• 55:06
  enjoy
• 55:06
  it
• 55:07
  just
• 55:07
  as
• 55:07
  much
• 55:08
  you
• 55:08
  know,
• 55:09
  and.
• 55:09
  And
• 55:09
  people
• 55:09
  will
• 55:10
  crave
• 55:10
  that,
• 55:10
  in
• 55:11
  my
• 55:11
  opinion.
• 55:11
  10,
• 55:12
  15,
• 55:12
  20
• 55:13
  years
• 55:13
  from
• 55:13
  now,
• 55:13
  for
• 55:13
  sure,
• 55:14
  as
• 55:14
  long
• 55:14
  as
• 55:15
  Alan's
• 55:15
  hands
• 55:15
  are
• 55:16
  still
• 55:16
  steady.
• 55:17
  Yeah,
• 55:17
  well,
• 55:17
  that's
• 55:18
  kind
• 55:18
  of
• 55:18
  you
• 55:18
  to
• 55:18
  say,
• 55:18
  Henry.
• 55:19
  I
• 55:19
  hope
• 55:19
  they're
• 55:19
  steady
• 55:20
  in
• 55:20
  15
• 55:20
  years.
• 55:21
  That
• 55:21
  was
• 55:21
  another
• 55:21
  thing.
• 55:21
  Dave
• 55:22
  had
• 55:22
  very
• 55:22
  steady
• 55:22
  hands
• 55:23
  all
• 55:23
  the
• 55:23
  way.
• 55:24
  That
• 55:24
  was
• 55:25
  impressive.
• 55:27
  Yeah.
• 55:28
  Yeah.
• 55:29
  And
• 55:29
  so
• 55:30
  before
• 55:30
  I
• 55:30
  let
• 55:30
  you
• 55:30
  gentlemen
• 55:31
  go
• 55:31
  this
• 55:31
  evening
• 55:31
  and
• 55:32
  watch
• 55:32
  Jeopardy.
• 55:33
  Or
• 55:33
  Murder
• 55:34
  she
• 55:34
  Wrote,
• 55:35
  do
• 55:36
  you
• 55:36
  have
• 55:36
  anything
• 55:36
  else
• 55:36
  you
• 55:36
  want
• 55:37
  to
• 55:37
  share
• 55:37
  with
• 55:37
  our
• 55:37
  listeners?
• 55:39
  Henry,
• 55:39
  you
• 55:39
  can
• 55:39
  go.
• 55:41
  No,
• 55:42
  I'm
• 55:42
  just.
• 55:42
  Listen,
• 55:42
  Are
• 55:43
  you
• 55:43
  kidding
• 55:43
  me?
• 55:43
  It's.
• 55:45
  It's
• 55:45
  always
• 55:45
  a
• 55:46
  delight
• 55:47
  to
• 55:47
  be
• 55:47
  able
• 55:47
  to
• 55:48
  talk
• 55:48
  about
• 55:49
  somebody
• 55:50
  who
• 55:50
  you
• 55:50
  cared
• 55:51
  for
• 55:51
  and
• 55:51
  loved
• 55:51
  and
• 55:52
  want
• 55:52
  to
• 55:52
  pay
• 55:52
  respect
• 55:53
  to.
• 55:55
  You
• 55:55
  know,
• 55:55
  guys
• 55:56
  like
• 55:56
  Alan
• 55:56
  and
• 55:57
  I,
• 55:57
  we
• 55:57
  were,
• 55:58
  quite
• 55:58
  frankly,
• 55:59
  really
• 55:59
  fortunate
• 56:01
  to
• 56:01
  know
• 56:01
  someone
• 56:02
  like
• 56:02
  Dave
• 56:02
  and
• 56:03
  get
• 56:03
  close
• 56:03
  to
• 56:03
  him.
• 56:04
  It's.
• 56:05
  It
• 56:05
  was
• 56:06
  an
• 56:06
  honor
• 56:06
  to
• 56:07
  have
• 56:07
  had
• 56:08
  that
• 56:08
  privilege.
• 56:10
  And
• 56:10
  I
• 56:10
  felt
• 56:11
  the
• 56:11
  same
• 56:11
  way
• 56:11
  with
• 56:12
  Lefty
• 56:12
  and
• 56:13
  not
• 56:14
  quite
• 56:14
  as
• 56:14
  close,
• 56:15
  but
• 56:15
  I
• 56:15
  felt
• 56:15
  the
• 56:15
  same
• 56:16
  way
• 56:16
  with
• 56:16
  Popovic
• 56:17
  and,
• 56:18
  you
• 56:18
  know,
• 56:18
  all
• 56:18
  these
• 56:19
  great
• 56:19
  fly
• 56:19
  fishermen.
• 56:20
  And,
• 56:21
  you
• 56:21
  know,
• 56:22
  we're
• 56:22
  very
• 56:23
  fortunate
• 56:23
  to
• 56:23
  live
• 56:24
  in
• 56:24
  the
• 56:24
  time
• 56:24
  we
• 56:24
  lived
• 56:25
  in
• 56:25
  history
• 56:25
  and
• 56:26
  be
• 56:26
  able
• 56:26
  to
• 56:27
  pass
• 56:27
  this
• 56:28
  forward
• 56:28
  because
• 56:29
  the
• 56:29
  history
• 56:30
  of
• 56:30
  the
• 56:30
  sport
• 56:31
  is
• 56:31
  so
• 56:31
  important.
• 56:32
  Especially,
• 56:33
  Alan,
• 56:34
  when
• 56:34
  you
• 56:34
  were
• 56:34
  getting
• 56:35
  involved
• 56:35
  with
• 56:35
  like,
• 56:36
  the.
• 56:37
  The
• 56:37
  museum
• 56:37
  of,
• 56:38
  you
• 56:38
  know,
• 56:38
  the
• 56:38
  fly
• 56:38
  fishing
• 56:39
  Museum
• 56:39
  up
• 56:39
  in
• 56:39
  Manchester
• 56:40
  and
• 56:40
  stuff,
• 56:43
  that's
• 56:43
  where
• 56:43
  it
• 56:44
  all
• 56:44
  started.
• 56:44
  I
• 56:45
  mean,
• 56:45
  I
• 56:45
  know
• 56:45
  they've
• 56:45
  been
• 56:46
  fly
• 56:46
  fishing
• 56:47
  for
• 56:47
  hundreds
• 56:47
  of
• 56:47
  years,
• 56:47
  but
• 56:48
  let's
• 56:48
  face
• 56:48
  it,
• 56:48
  it's
• 56:49
  really
• 56:49
  the,
• 56:50
  you
• 56:50
  know,
• 56:51
  the
• 56:51
  20th
• 56:52
  century
• 56:53
  was
• 56:53
  a
• 56:54
  big
• 56:54
  part
• 56:54
  of
• 56:55
  fly
• 56:55
  fishing
• 56:56
  coming
• 56:56
  out
• 56:56
  of
• 56:56
  it,
• 56:57
  out
• 56:57
  of
• 56:57
  its
• 56:57
  shells,
• 56:58
  so
• 56:58
  to
• 56:58
  speak,
• 56:58
  especially
• 56:59
  late
• 56:59
  20th
• 57:00
  century.
• 57:00
  And
• 57:01
  these
• 57:01
  guys,
• 57:02
  especially
• 57:03
  guys
• 57:03
  like
• 57:03
  Whitlock,
• 57:04
  we
• 57:04
  were
• 57:04
  just,
• 57:05
  as
• 57:05
  I
• 57:06
  said,
• 57:06
  privileged
• 57:06
  to
• 57:07
  be
• 57:07
  able
• 57:07
  to
• 57:08
  know
• 57:08
  them
• 57:09
  and
• 57:09
  spend
• 57:09
  time
• 57:09
  with
• 57:10
  them.
• 57:11
  I.
• 57:12
  I
• 57:12
  feel.
• 57:13
  I
• 57:13
  wholeheartedly
• 57:14
  agree.
• 57:14
  It's
• 57:15
  why
• 57:16
  I
• 57:16
  have
• 57:17
  chosen
• 57:17
  to
• 57:17
  volunteer
• 57:18
  with
• 57:18
  the
• 57:18
  American
• 57:18
  Museum
• 57:19
  of
• 57:19
  Fly
• 57:19
  Fishing
• 57:19
  so
• 57:19
  much.
• 57:20
  It's.
• 57:21
  They
• 57:21
  have
• 57:22
  a
• 57:22
  good
• 57:22
  cause.
• 57:23
  You
• 57:23
  know,
• 57:24
  we
• 57:24
  got
• 57:24
  Dave's
• 57:25
  fly
• 57:25
  tying
• 57:25
  desk
• 57:26
  in
• 57:26
  there.
• 57:26
  Yeah,
• 57:27
  right.
• 57:28
  Yeah.
• 57:29
  Did
• 57:29
  I.
• 57:29
  Did
• 57:29
  I
• 57:29
  have
• 57:30
  a.
• 57:30
  You
• 57:30
  guys
• 57:30
  want
• 57:31
  to
• 57:31
  hear
• 57:31
  a
• 57:31
  real.
• 57:31
  You.
• 57:31
  You
• 57:32
  may
• 57:32
  not
• 57:32
  want
• 57:32
  to
• 57:33
  tell
• 57:34
  about
• 57:34
  this
• 57:34
  in
• 57:34
  the,
• 57:35
  you
• 57:35
  know,
• 57:35
  when
• 57:35
  you
• 57:35
  do
• 57:36
  the
• 57:36
  broadcast,
• 57:36
  but
• 57:37
  this
• 57:37
  is
• 57:37
  a
• 57:37
  great
• 57:38
  story
• 57:38
  about
• 57:38
  the
• 57:38
  American
• 57:39
  Museum
• 57:39
  of
• 57:39
  Fly
• 57:40
  Fish.
• 57:40
  When
• 57:41
  Lefty
• 57:41
  passed
• 57:42
  away,
• 57:43
  he
• 57:44
  needed
• 57:44
  to.
• 57:45
  We
• 57:45
  needed
• 57:46
  to
• 57:47
  try
• 57:47
  and
• 57:47
  preserve
• 57:48
  his
• 57:48
  legacy.
• 57:49
  So
• 57:50
  Lefty's
• 57:51
  words,
• 57:52
  I'm
• 57:52
  very
• 57:52
  close
• 57:53
  with
• 57:53
  his.
• 57:54
  The
• 57:54
  executor
• 57:55
  of
• 57:55
  his
• 57:55
  estate,
• 57:56
  which
• 57:56
  was
• 57:56
  his
• 57:57
  doctor,
• 57:58
  and
• 57:59
  he
• 58:00
  was.
• 58:00
  I'm
• 58:00
  still
• 58:01
  very
• 58:01
  close
• 58:01
  with.
• 58:02
  With
• 58:02
  him.
• 58:03
  And
• 58:04
  in
• 58:04
  order
• 58:04
  to
• 58:04
  preserve
• 58:05
  the
• 58:05
  legacy,
• 58:06
  we
• 58:06
  decided
• 58:07
  that
• 58:07
  we
• 58:07
  needed
• 58:08
  to
• 58:08
  take
• 58:08
  the
• 58:08
  Tarpon
• 58:09
  off
• 58:09
  of
• 58:09
  his.
• 58:10
  Off
• 58:10
  of
• 58:10
  his
• 58:11
  wall
• 58:11
  and
• 58:12
  send
• 58:12
  it
• 58:12
  to
• 58:12
  the
• 58:12
  Bonefish
• 58:13
  Tarpon
• 58:13
  Trust.
• 58:14
  And
• 58:14
  we
• 58:14
  wanted
• 58:15
  to
• 58:15
  get
• 58:15
  Lefty's
• 58:16
  desk
• 58:17
  and
• 58:17
  chair
• 58:18
  to
• 58:19
  the
• 58:19
  museum
• 58:20
  of,
• 58:20
  you
• 58:21
  know,
• 58:21
  to
• 58:21
  the
• 58:21
  Museum
• 58:21
  of
• 58:22
  American
• 58:22
  Fly
• 58:22
  Fishing.
• 58:23
  And
• 58:23
  so
• 58:24
  we
• 58:25
  saved
• 58:25
  up
• 58:25
  enough
• 58:26
  money
• 58:26
  to
• 58:26
  get
• 58:26
  as
• 58:26
  much
• 58:27
  as
• 58:27
  we
• 58:27
  could
• 58:27
  and
• 58:27
  we
• 58:28
  did.
• 58:28
  We
• 58:28
  got
• 58:28
  the
• 58:28
  chair,
• 58:29
  we
• 58:29
  got
• 58:29
  the
• 58:29
  desk,
• 58:30
  we
• 58:31
  got
• 58:31
  the
• 58:31
  tarpon.
• 58:32
  And
• 58:32
  now
• 58:33
  everything
• 58:33
  is
• 58:33
  being
• 58:33
  auctioned.
• 58:35
  And
• 58:35
  the
• 58:36
  day
• 58:36
  of
• 58:36
  the
• 58:36
  auction
• 58:37
  was
• 58:37
  in
• 58:37
  New
• 58:37
  York.
• 58:37
  And
• 58:38
  I
• 58:38
  said
• 58:38
  to
• 58:40
  my
• 58:40
  buddy
• 58:40
  the
• 58:40
  doctor,
• 58:41
  Dr.
• 58:41
  Mark
• 58:41
  Lamos.
• 58:42
  And
• 58:43
  I
• 58:43
  said,
• 58:43
  mark,
• 58:44
  we
• 58:44
  gotta
• 58:45
  get
• 58:45
  that
• 58:45
  vice.
• 58:45
  We've
• 58:46
  got
• 58:46
  to
• 58:47
  win
• 58:47
  Lefty's
• 58:48
  vice
• 58:48
  and
• 58:48
  send
• 58:48
  it
• 58:49
  up
• 58:49
  to
• 58:49
  the
• 58:49
  museum
• 58:50
  so
• 58:51
  that
• 58:51
  they
• 58:51
  have
• 58:51
  the
• 58:51
  table,
• 58:52
  the
• 58:52
  chair
• 58:52
  and
• 58:52
  his
• 58:53
  vice.
• 58:53
  And
• 58:54
  he's.
• 58:54
  That's
• 58:54
  a
• 58:54
  great
• 58:55
  idea.
• 58:55
  So
• 58:56
  the
• 58:56
  bidding
• 58:57
  starts.
• 58:57
  I
• 58:57
  bid
• 58:58
  $100
• 58:59
  and
• 59:00
  it's,
• 59:00
  you
• 59:00
  know,
• 59:00
  it's
• 59:00
  an
• 59:00
  auction
• 59:01
  online.
• 59:02
  Somebody
• 59:02
  bids
• 59:03
  two,
• 59:03
  so
• 59:03
  I
• 59:03
  bid
• 59:04
  three.
• 59:04
  Somebody
• 59:05
  bids
• 59:05
  four,
• 59:05
  so
• 59:06
  I
• 59:06
  bid
• 59:06
  five.
• 59:07
  Somebody
• 59:08
  bids
• 59:08
  six,
• 59:09
  so
• 59:09
  I
• 59:09
  bid
• 59:10
  seven.
• 59:11
  Goes
• 59:11
  up.
• 59:12
  I
• 59:13
  got
• 59:13
  up
• 59:13
  to
• 59:13
  $900.
• 59:14
  Somebody
• 59:15
  bid
• 59:15
  a
• 59:15
  thousand
• 59:17
  and
• 59:17
  I
• 59:17
  just
• 59:17
  said
• 59:18
  I'm
• 59:18
  done.
• 59:19
  And
• 59:19
  I
• 59:19
  was
• 59:19
  going
• 59:19
  to
• 59:19
  just
• 59:20
  donate
• 59:20
  it.
• 59:21
  So
• 59:22
  they
• 59:22
  go
• 59:22
  on
• 59:22
  to
• 59:22
  the
• 59:23
  next
• 59:23
  item.
• 59:23
  Somebody
• 59:24
  won
• 59:24
  the.
• 59:25
  Won
• 59:25
  the
• 59:25
  vice.
• 59:26
  Five
• 59:27
  minutes
• 59:27
  later,
• 59:27
  the
• 59:27
  phone
• 59:28
  rings.
• 59:28
  It's
• 59:29
  Mark
• 59:29
  Lamos.
• 59:30
  I
• 59:30
  won
• 59:30
  the
• 59:31
  vice.
• 59:31
  I
• 59:32
  got
• 59:32
  it.
• 59:33
  We
• 59:33
  were
• 59:33
  bidding
• 59:34
  against
• 59:34
  one
• 59:34
  another.
• 59:34
  We
• 59:35
  had
• 59:35
  no
• 59:36
  idea.
• 59:38
  But
• 59:38
  the
• 59:38
  vice
• 59:39
  ended
• 59:39
  up
• 59:39
  making
• 59:39
  it
• 59:39
  up
• 59:40
  to
• 59:40
  the
• 59:40
  American
• 59:40
  Museum
• 59:41
  of
• 59:41
  Fly
• 59:41
  Fishing.
• 59:42
  And
• 59:42
  Allen,
• 59:42
  if
• 59:42
  you
• 59:43
  see
• 59:43
  behind
• 59:43
  me
• 59:44
  that
• 59:44
  print
• 59:46
  of
• 59:47
  the
• 59:47
  stripers
• 59:47
  in
• 59:47
  New
• 59:48
  York
• 59:48
  City,
• 59:48
  that
• 59:49
  was
• 59:49
  from
• 59:49
  9
• 59:49
  11.
• 59:51
  And
• 59:52
  I
• 59:52
  don't
• 59:52
  know
• 59:52
  if
• 59:52
  you
• 59:52
  can
• 59:53
  see
• 59:53
  there's
• 59:53
  a
• 59:54
  little
• 59:54
  yellow
• 59:54
  piece
• 59:54
  of
• 59:55
  paper
• 59:55
  right
• 59:55
  here
• 59:56
  and
• 59:56
  in
• 59:56
  the
• 59:56
  corner
• 59:57
  it
• 59:57
  says
• 59:58
  to
• 59:58
  be
• 59:58
  donated
• 59:59
  to
• 59:59
  the
• 59:59
  American
• 59:59
  Museum
• 1:00:00
  of
• 1:00:00
  Fly
• 1:00:00
  Fishing.
• 1:00:01
  It's,
• 1:00:02
  it's,
• 1:00:03
  it's,
• 1:00:04
  it's
• 1:00:04
  num.
• 1:00:04
  It's
• 1:00:05
  one
• 1:00:05
  of
• 1:00:05
  100
• 1:00:06
  a
• 1:00:07
  litho
• 1:00:07
  that
• 1:00:08
  Alan
• 1:00:08
  James
• 1:00:08
  Robinson
• 1:00:09
  did
• 1:00:09
  after
• 1:00:10
  9
• 1:00:10
  11.
• 1:00:10
  And
• 1:00:11
  I've
• 1:00:11
  got
• 1:00:11
  Lefty
• 1:00:12
  and
• 1:00:12
  Popovics
• 1:00:13
  and
• 1:00:13
  Clausers
• 1:00:14
  flies
• 1:00:15
  all
• 1:00:15
  shadow
• 1:00:15
  boxed
• 1:00:16
  in
• 1:00:16
  and
• 1:00:16
  tied
• 1:00:16
  by
• 1:00:17
  them
• 1:00:17
  with
• 1:00:17
  their
• 1:00:17
  signatures
• 1:00:18
  under
• 1:00:18
  the
• 1:00:18
  flies.
• 1:00:20
  And
• 1:00:20
  that
• 1:00:20
  is
• 1:00:20
  destined.
• 1:00:21
  I
• 1:00:21
  told
• 1:00:21
  my
• 1:00:21
  wife,
• 1:00:22
  you
• 1:00:22
  do
• 1:00:22
  not
• 1:00:22
  sell
• 1:00:22
  that.
• 1:00:23
  That
• 1:00:23
  goes
• 1:00:23
  to
• 1:00:23
  the
• 1:00:23
  American
• 1:00:23
  Museum
• 1:00:24
  of
• 1:00:24
  Fly
• 1:00:24
  Fishing
• 1:00:25
  when
• 1:00:25
  I'm
• 1:00:25
  gone.
• 1:00:26
  So
• 1:00:26
  it's
• 1:00:27
  a
• 1:00:27
  great
• 1:00:27
  organization.
• 1:00:28
  That's
• 1:00:28
  what
• 1:00:28
  I
• 1:00:28
  mean
• 1:00:28
  when
• 1:00:29
  I
• 1:00:29
  say
• 1:00:29
  the
• 1:00:29
  history
• 1:00:29
  is
• 1:00:30
  so
• 1:00:30
  important.
• 1:00:31
  Agreed?
• 1:00:32
  Agreed.
• 1:00:33
  Yeah,
• 1:00:34
  I,
• 1:00:35
  I
• 1:00:35
  have
• 1:00:36
  Emily
• 1:00:36
  and
• 1:00:37
  I,
• 1:00:37
  I
• 1:00:37
  think
• 1:00:37
  we've
• 1:00:37
  come
• 1:00:37
  to
• 1:00:38
  an
• 1:00:38
  agreement.
• 1:00:38
  I'm
• 1:00:38
  going
• 1:00:38
  to
• 1:00:38
  be
• 1:00:38
  buying
• 1:00:39
  all
• 1:00:39
  of
• 1:00:39
  the
• 1:00:39
  fly
• 1:00:39
  she
• 1:00:40
  has
• 1:00:40
  from
• 1:00:40
  Dave.
• 1:00:42
  I
• 1:00:43
  want
• 1:00:43
  them
• 1:00:44
  for
• 1:00:45
  selfish
• 1:00:45
  reasons
• 1:00:45
  because
• 1:00:46
  he
• 1:00:46
  taught
• 1:00:47
  me
• 1:00:47
  about
• 1:00:47
  130
• 1:00:47
  of
• 1:00:48
  his
• 1:00:48
  400
• 1:00:48
  and
• 1:00:48
  something
• 1:00:49
  flies.
• 1:00:50
  But
• 1:00:52
  you
• 1:00:52
  know,
• 1:00:52
  if
• 1:00:52
  I
• 1:00:52
  look
• 1:00:53
  at
• 1:00:53
  the
• 1:00:54
  going
• 1:00:54
  Back
• 1:00:55
  in
• 1:00:55
  time,
• 1:00:55
  he
• 1:00:55
  had
• 1:00:55
  those,
• 1:00:56
  you
• 1:00:56
  know,
• 1:00:56
  back
• 1:00:56
  in
• 1:00:57
  the
• 1:00:57
  90s
• 1:00:57
  with.
• 1:00:58
  He
• 1:00:58
  had
• 1:00:58
  those
• 1:00:58
  bass
• 1:00:58
  flies
• 1:00:59
  that
• 1:00:59
  Umpka
• 1:00:59
  was.
• 1:00:59
  Was
• 1:01:00
  doing,
• 1:01:00
  like
• 1:01:00
  the
• 1:01:00
  Dave's
• 1:01:00
  Wit
• 1:01:01
  hair
• 1:01:01
  jig
• 1:01:01
  and
• 1:01:01
  the.
• 1:01:02
  The,
• 1:01:04
  you
• 1:01:04
  know,
• 1:01:04
  just
• 1:01:05
  other
• 1:01:05
  different,
• 1:01:06
  like,
• 1:01:06
  bass
• 1:01:06
  type
• 1:01:06
  flies.
• 1:01:07
  He
• 1:01:07
  had
• 1:01:07
  one
• 1:01:07
  with
• 1:01:07
  a
• 1:01:07
  deer
• 1:01:08
  hair
• 1:01:08
  head,
• 1:01:08
  one
• 1:01:08
  with
• 1:01:08
  a
• 1:01:08
  rabbit
• 1:01:09
  fur
• 1:01:09
  head,
• 1:01:09
  and
• 1:01:10
  one
• 1:01:10
  called
• 1:01:10
  the.
• 1:01:10
  I
• 1:01:11
  think
• 1:01:11
  it
• 1:01:11
  was
• 1:01:11
  called
• 1:01:11
  the
• 1:01:11
  Enticer,
• 1:01:12
  which
• 1:01:12
  was
• 1:01:12
  kind
• 1:01:13
  of
• 1:01:13
  a.
• 1:01:14
  Like
• 1:01:14
  a
• 1:01:14
  rubber
• 1:01:15
  worm
• 1:01:15
  imitation,
• 1:01:15
  but
• 1:01:16
  it
• 1:01:16
  was
• 1:01:16
  just
• 1:01:16
  long,
• 1:01:17
  thin
• 1:01:17
  saddles
• 1:01:19
  tied
• 1:01:19
  in
• 1:01:19
  a
• 1:01:19
  different
• 1:01:20
  length.
• 1:01:20
  So
• 1:01:20
  with
• 1:01:20
  some
• 1:01:20
  flat.
• 1:01:21
  Anyways,
• 1:01:21
  all
• 1:01:22
  of
• 1:01:22
  those.
• 1:01:22
  The
• 1:01:22
  electric
• 1:01:23
  leech,
• 1:01:23
  there
• 1:01:23
  are
• 1:01:24
  samples
• 1:01:24
  of
• 1:01:24
  those
• 1:01:24
  there
• 1:01:25
  that
• 1:01:26
  I'll
• 1:01:26
  be
• 1:01:26
  able
• 1:01:26
  to.
• 1:01:29
  Knowing
• 1:01:29
  his
• 1:01:29
  tying
• 1:01:30
  style,
• 1:01:30
  I
• 1:01:30
  can
• 1:01:30
  already
• 1:01:31
  look
• 1:01:31
  at,
• 1:01:31
  like,
• 1:01:31
  the
• 1:01:31
  Enticer
• 1:01:32
  Go.
• 1:01:32
  All
• 1:01:32
  right.
• 1:01:32
  I
• 1:01:32
  can
• 1:01:32
  see
• 1:01:32
  he
• 1:01:33
  put
• 1:01:33
  bead
• 1:01:33
  chains
• 1:01:33
  there.
• 1:01:33
  He
• 1:01:34
  wrapped
• 1:01:34
  lead
• 1:01:34
  around
• 1:01:34
  that.
• 1:01:35
  There's
• 1:01:35
  a
• 1:01:35
  hard
• 1:01:35
  mono
• 1:01:36
  foundation
• 1:01:36
  underneath
• 1:01:37
  it.
• 1:01:37
  Right.
• 1:01:38
  I
• 1:01:38
  can.
• 1:01:38
  I
• 1:01:38
  can
• 1:01:38
  see
• 1:01:39
  2/3
• 1:01:40
  of
• 1:01:40
  the
• 1:01:40
  fly
• 1:01:40
  already,
• 1:01:42
  and
• 1:01:42
  there's
• 1:01:42
  three
• 1:01:42
  or
• 1:01:43
  four
• 1:01:43
  of
• 1:01:43
  them
• 1:01:43
  in,
• 1:01:44
  you
• 1:01:44
  know,
• 1:01:44
  three
• 1:01:44
  or
• 1:01:44
  four
• 1:01:44
  colors.
• 1:01:45
  So
• 1:01:45
  if
• 1:01:46
  I
• 1:01:46
  have
• 1:01:46
  to
• 1:01:46
  dissect
• 1:01:47
  one
• 1:01:48
  to
• 1:01:49
  see
• 1:01:49
  something,
• 1:01:50
  I.
• 1:01:50
  I
• 1:01:50
  don't
• 1:01:50
  feel
• 1:01:51
  too
• 1:01:51
  bad.
• 1:01:52
  Yeah.
• 1:01:52
  If
• 1:01:52
  you've
• 1:01:52
  got
• 1:01:52
  two
• 1:01:53
  or
• 1:01:53
  three
• 1:01:53
  others
• 1:01:53
  there.
• 1:01:54
  Yeah.
• 1:01:54
  But
• 1:01:54
  then
• 1:01:55
  that
• 1:01:55
  way
• 1:01:55
  I
• 1:01:56
  can.
• 1:01:56
  I
• 1:01:56
  can
• 1:01:57
  write
• 1:01:57
  it
• 1:01:57
  because
• 1:01:58
  I'm
• 1:01:59
  working
• 1:01:59
  on
• 1:01:59
  a
• 1:01:59
  couple
• 1:02:00
  of
• 1:02:00
  books
• 1:02:00
  on
• 1:02:00
  his
• 1:02:01
  patterns.
• 1:02:02
  I'm.
• 1:02:03
  I'm
• 1:02:04
  done.
• 1:02:04
  I'm
• 1:02:04
  done
• 1:02:04
  writing
• 1:02:05
  one.
• 1:02:06
  And
• 1:02:06
  now
• 1:02:06
  it's
• 1:02:06
  the
• 1:02:07
  photography
• 1:02:07
  board.
• 1:02:07
  I
• 1:02:08
  went
• 1:02:08
  through
• 1:02:08
  and
• 1:02:08
  put
• 1:02:08
  placeholders.
• 1:02:09
  I
• 1:02:09
  need
• 1:02:09
  a
• 1:02:09
  photo
• 1:02:09
  that
• 1:02:10
  does
• 1:02:10
  this,
• 1:02:10
  a
• 1:02:10
  photo
• 1:02:10
  that
• 1:02:10
  does
• 1:02:11
  this.
• 1:02:11
  You
• 1:02:12
  know,
• 1:02:12
  the
• 1:02:12
  different
• 1:02:12
  techniques
• 1:02:13
  and
• 1:02:13
  stuff.
• 1:02:13
  So
• 1:02:13
  that's.
• 1:02:14
  That's
• 1:02:14
  the
• 1:02:14
  summer's
• 1:02:15
  project
• 1:02:15
  is
• 1:02:15
  photography.
• 1:02:16
  You
• 1:02:17
  know,
• 1:02:17
  that's
• 1:02:17
  how.
• 1:02:17
  That's
• 1:02:18
  how
• 1:02:18
  people
• 1:02:18
  restore
• 1:02:19
  old
• 1:02:20
  stuff
• 1:02:20
  is
• 1:02:21
  as
• 1:02:21
  they're
• 1:02:21
  taking
• 1:02:22
  it
• 1:02:22
  apart
• 1:02:22
  to
• 1:02:23
  restore
• 1:02:23
  it.
• 1:02:23
  They're
• 1:02:23
  taking
• 1:02:24
  pictures
• 1:02:24
  of
• 1:02:24
  things
• 1:02:25
  so
• 1:02:25
  that
• 1:02:25
  they
• 1:02:25
  can
• 1:02:26
  rebuild
• 1:02:26
  it
• 1:02:26
  the
• 1:02:26
  exact
• 1:02:27
  way
• 1:02:27
  it
• 1:02:27
  was
• 1:02:28
  originally.
• 1:02:29
  So
• 1:02:30
  that's
• 1:02:30
  really
• 1:02:30
  cool.
• 1:02:31
  After
• 1:02:31
  his
• 1:02:32
  passing,
• 1:02:32
  I
• 1:02:32
  went
• 1:02:33
  to
• 1:02:34
  their
• 1:02:34
  place
• 1:02:34
  in
• 1:02:34
  Oklahoma.
• 1:02:35
  I
• 1:02:35
  think
• 1:02:35
  three
• 1:02:36
  or
• 1:02:36
  four
• 1:02:36
  times.
• 1:02:36
  I'd
• 1:02:37
  have
• 1:02:37
  to
• 1:02:37
  go
• 1:02:37
  back
• 1:02:37
  and
• 1:02:37
  check
• 1:02:38
  the
• 1:02:38
  photography,
• 1:02:39
  but
• 1:02:39
  I.
• 1:02:39
  I
• 1:02:40
  went
• 1:02:40
  through.
• 1:02:41
  I
• 1:02:41
  even
• 1:02:41
  pulled
• 1:02:41
  flies
• 1:02:42
  out
• 1:02:42
  of
• 1:02:42
  his
• 1:02:42
  vest.
• 1:02:43
  I
• 1:02:44
  took
• 1:02:44
  over
• 1:02:44
  3,000
• 1:02:45
  photos
• 1:02:45
  of
• 1:02:45
  flies
• 1:02:46
  and
• 1:02:47
  videos.
• 1:02:47
  Every
• 1:02:48
  fly
• 1:02:48
  of
• 1:02:48
  his
• 1:02:48
  that
• 1:02:49
  I
• 1:02:49
  could
• 1:02:49
  find,
• 1:02:50
  there
• 1:02:50
  is
• 1:02:50
  a.
• 1:02:51
  A
• 1:02:51
  photo
• 1:02:51
  of
• 1:02:51
  it
• 1:02:52
  sideways,
• 1:02:53
  the
• 1:02:53
  belly,
• 1:02:54
  the
• 1:02:54
  top.
• 1:02:55
  If
• 1:02:55
  it's
• 1:02:55
  something
• 1:02:55
  that
• 1:02:56
  needed
• 1:02:56
  to
• 1:02:56
  be
• 1:02:56
  from
• 1:02:57
  Head
• 1:02:57
  on,
• 1:02:57
  it's
• 1:02:57
  from
• 1:02:57
  Head
• 1:02:57
  On.
• 1:02:58
  If
• 1:02:58
  it's
• 1:02:58
  something
• 1:02:59
  that
• 1:02:59
  I
• 1:02:59
  need,
• 1:02:59
  you
• 1:02:59
  know,
• 1:02:59
  if
• 1:02:59
  there
• 1:03:00
  was
• 1:03:00
  multiple
• 1:03:00
  colors
• 1:03:01
  of
• 1:03:01
  flash,
• 1:03:01
  I
• 1:03:01
  have
• 1:03:02
  it
• 1:03:02
  sitting
• 1:03:02
  in
• 1:03:02
  a
• 1:03:02
  real
• 1:03:02
  slow
• 1:03:03
  motion
• 1:03:03
  video
• 1:03:03
  of
• 1:03:03
  me
• 1:03:04
  rotating
• 1:03:04
  it.
• 1:03:05
  I
• 1:03:05
  bought
• 1:03:05
  a
• 1:03:05
  light
• 1:03:05
  box
• 1:03:06
  for
• 1:03:06
  there
• 1:03:06
  to
• 1:03:06
  do
• 1:03:07
  it
• 1:03:07
  all.
• 1:03:08
  It
• 1:03:08
  was.
• 1:03:10
  Emily
• 1:03:10
  was
• 1:03:11
  nice
• 1:03:11
  enough
• 1:03:11
  to
• 1:03:11
  let
• 1:03:11
  me
• 1:03:11
  come
• 1:03:11
  and
• 1:03:12
  do
• 1:03:12
  all
• 1:03:12
  of
• 1:03:12
  that,
• 1:03:12
  but
• 1:03:12
  it,
• 1:03:13
  like,
• 1:03:13
  I
• 1:03:13
  have
• 1:03:14
  a
• 1:03:14
  lot
• 1:03:14
  of
• 1:03:15
  his
• 1:03:15
  history
• 1:03:16
  there
• 1:03:16
  to
• 1:03:16
  try
• 1:03:17
  to
• 1:03:17
  just.
• 1:03:18
  I
• 1:03:18
  want
• 1:03:18
  to
• 1:03:18
  learn
• 1:03:18
  these
• 1:03:19
  flies
• 1:03:19
  and
• 1:03:19
  make
• 1:03:19
  sure
• 1:03:19
  that
• 1:03:19
  they're
• 1:03:20
  not
• 1:03:20
  forgotten.
• 1:03:21
  Marvin.
• 1:03:22
  This
• 1:03:22
  is
• 1:03:22
  where
• 1:03:22
  history
• 1:03:23
  is
• 1:03:23
  so
• 1:03:23
  important
• 1:03:24
  to,
• 1:03:24
  to
• 1:03:25
  our
• 1:03:25
  sport
• 1:03:25
  and
• 1:03:27
  you
• 1:03:27
  know,
• 1:03:28
  like
• 1:03:28
  what
• 1:03:28
  Alan's
• 1:03:29
  doing
• 1:03:29
  and
• 1:03:30
  people
• 1:03:30
  like
• 1:03:30
  Jay
• 1:03:31
  Nichols
• 1:03:31
  have
• 1:03:32
  preserved
• 1:03:32
  a
• 1:03:32
  lot
• 1:03:32
  of
• 1:03:33
  history
• 1:03:33
  in
• 1:03:33
  our
• 1:03:33
  sport
• 1:03:34
  and
• 1:03:35
  it's
• 1:03:35
  really
• 1:03:35
  important
• 1:03:36
  that
• 1:03:36
  they
• 1:03:36
  continue
• 1:03:37
  to
• 1:03:37
  do
• 1:03:37
  things
• 1:03:38
  like
• 1:03:39
  that
• 1:03:39
  and
• 1:03:39
  where
• 1:03:40
  whatever
• 1:03:40
  we
• 1:03:40
  can
• 1:03:40
  do
• 1:03:41
  to
• 1:03:41
  help
• 1:03:41
  will
• 1:03:42
  do,
• 1:03:42
  you
• 1:03:42
  know,
• 1:03:42
  but
• 1:03:43
  it's.
• 1:03:43
  It's
• 1:03:44
  a
• 1:03:44
  wonderful
• 1:03:44
  thing.
• 1:03:45
  Anyway,
• 1:03:45
  that's
• 1:03:46
  all
• 1:03:46
  I'm
• 1:03:46
  going
• 1:03:46
  to
• 1:03:46
  say.
• 1:03:48
  Well,
• 1:03:48
  you
• 1:03:49
  know,
• 1:03:49
  Alan,
• 1:03:49
  I'm
• 1:03:49
  so
• 1:03:50
  glad
• 1:03:50
  you
• 1:03:50
  mentioned
• 1:03:50
  the
• 1:03:51
  book
• 1:03:51
  project
• 1:03:51
  because
• 1:03:51
  I
• 1:03:52
  was
• 1:03:52
  afraid
• 1:03:52
  we
• 1:03:52
  were.
• 1:03:52
  You
• 1:03:52
  were
• 1:03:52
  going
• 1:03:52
  to
• 1:03:53
  escape
• 1:03:53
  tonight
• 1:03:53
  and
• 1:03:53
  we
• 1:03:53
  weren't
• 1:03:54
  going
• 1:03:54
  to
• 1:03:54
  be
• 1:03:54
  able
• 1:03:54
  to
• 1:03:54
  share
• 1:03:54
  that
• 1:03:54
  with
• 1:03:55
  folks.
• 1:03:55
  But
• 1:03:55
  is
• 1:03:55
  there
• 1:03:55
  anything
• 1:03:55
  else
• 1:03:56
  you'd
• 1:03:56
  like
• 1:03:56
  to
• 1:03:56
  share
• 1:03:56
  with
• 1:03:56
  folks
• 1:03:57
  before
• 1:03:57
  we
• 1:03:57
  go?
• 1:03:58
  You
• 1:03:59
  know,
• 1:03:59
  I,
• 1:03:59
  I
• 1:03:59
  can't
• 1:03:59
  think
• 1:03:59
  of
• 1:04:00
  much
• 1:04:00
  else
• 1:04:00
  I'm
• 1:04:00
  looking
• 1:04:00
  forward.
• 1:04:01
  I
• 1:04:01
  got
• 1:04:01
  a
• 1:04:01
  small
• 1:04:01
  amount
• 1:04:02
  trip
• 1:04:02
  coming
• 1:04:02
  up
• 1:04:03
  in
• 1:04:03
  first
• 1:04:03
  week
• 1:04:04
  of
• 1:04:04
  August
• 1:04:04
  on
• 1:04:04
  the
• 1:04:04
  upper
• 1:04:05
  Potomac.
• 1:04:05
  It's
• 1:04:05
  one
• 1:04:06
  of
• 1:04:06
  my
• 1:04:06
  favorite
• 1:04:06
  things
• 1:04:06
  I
• 1:04:06
  do
• 1:04:07
  every
• 1:04:07
  year
• 1:04:07
  with
• 1:04:07
  William.
• 1:04:10
  William
• 1:04:10
  Hnik
• 1:04:11
  from
• 1:04:11
  Eastern
• 1:04:11
  Trophies.
• 1:04:12
  He's.
• 1:04:13
  I
• 1:04:13
  mean,
• 1:04:13
  how
• 1:04:13
  about
• 1:04:14
  this?
• 1:04:14
  We
• 1:04:15
  got
• 1:04:15
  rained
• 1:04:15
  out
• 1:04:15
  in
• 1:04:16
  April
• 1:04:16
  for
• 1:04:16
  our
• 1:04:16
  dates.
• 1:04:17
  We
• 1:04:18
  got.
• 1:04:18
  We
• 1:04:18
  got
• 1:04:18
  a.
• 1:04:19
  Another
• 1:04:19
  set
• 1:04:19
  of
• 1:04:19
  dates
• 1:04:20
  in
• 1:04:20
  August
• 1:04:20
  and
• 1:04:20
  he
• 1:04:20
  didn't
• 1:04:21
  have
• 1:04:21
  anything
• 1:04:21
  else
• 1:04:21
  left.
• 1:04:22
  And
• 1:04:23
  this
• 1:04:23
  was
• 1:04:23
  in
• 1:04:23
  April.
• 1:04:23
  He
• 1:04:23
  was
• 1:04:23
  already
• 1:04:24
  sold
• 1:04:24
  out
• 1:04:24
  for
• 1:04:24
  the
• 1:04:24
  year.
• 1:04:25
  Amazing.
• 1:04:27
  It's
• 1:04:27
  great.
• 1:04:27
  It's
• 1:04:27
  a
• 1:04:28
  great
• 1:04:28
  problem
• 1:04:28
  for
• 1:04:28
  him
• 1:04:28
  to
• 1:04:28
  have.
• 1:04:29
  It's
• 1:04:29
  really
• 1:04:29
  hard
• 1:04:30
  as
• 1:04:30
  the
• 1:04:30
  customer
• 1:04:32
  and
• 1:04:32
  I,
• 1:04:32
  I
• 1:04:32
  don't
• 1:04:33
  care.
• 1:04:33
  Like
• 1:04:33
  I.
• 1:04:34
  Every
• 1:04:34
  year
• 1:04:35
  I
• 1:04:35
  book
• 1:04:35
  four
• 1:04:35
  to
• 1:04:35
  six
• 1:04:36
  days
• 1:04:36
  with
• 1:04:36
  him
• 1:04:36
  and
• 1:04:36
  hope
• 1:04:36
  I
• 1:04:37
  can
• 1:04:37
  get
• 1:04:37
  out
• 1:04:37
  on
• 1:04:37
  the
• 1:04:37
  water.
• 1:04:37
  They're.
• 1:04:38
  They're
• 1:04:38
  just.
• 1:04:39
  He's.
• 1:04:40
  He's
• 1:04:40
  got
• 1:04:41
  his
• 1:04:41
  fishery
• 1:04:41
  so
• 1:04:41
  dialed
• 1:04:42
  in.
• 1:04:42
  I'm
• 1:04:42
  really
• 1:04:43
  looking
• 1:04:43
  forward
• 1:04:43
  to
• 1:04:43
  it.
• 1:04:44
  Plus
• 1:04:44
  it's
• 1:04:44
  all
• 1:04:44
  top
• 1:04:45
  water.
• 1:04:45
  Like
• 1:04:45
  top
• 1:04:45
  water
• 1:04:46
  smallmouth.
• 1:04:46
  It's
• 1:04:47
  fabulous.
• 1:04:47
  Best.
• 1:04:48
  Yeah,
• 1:04:48
  I'm
• 1:04:49
  a
• 1:04:49
  little
• 1:04:49
  bit
• 1:04:49
  softer.
• 1:04:49
  I
• 1:04:50
  wait
• 1:04:50
  until
• 1:04:50
  the
• 1:04:50
  heat
• 1:04:50
  breaks
• 1:04:51
  to
• 1:04:51
  get
• 1:04:51
  out
• 1:04:51
  there
• 1:04:51
  because
• 1:04:51
  I
• 1:04:52
  figured
• 1:04:52
  out
• 1:04:52
  that
• 1:04:53
  the
• 1:04:53
  fish
• 1:04:53
  are
• 1:04:54
  in
• 1:04:54
  the
• 1:04:54
  shade
• 1:04:54
  and
• 1:04:54
  I'm
• 1:04:54
  not.
• 1:04:55
  And
• 1:04:56
  that's.
• 1:04:57
  I
• 1:04:57
  grew
• 1:04:57
  up
• 1:04:57
  in
• 1:04:58
  that
• 1:04:58
  part
• 1:04:58
  of
• 1:04:58
  the
• 1:04:58
  world
• 1:04:58
  so
• 1:04:58
  I
• 1:04:58
  always
• 1:04:59
  joke
• 1:04:59
  with
• 1:04:59
  Blaine
• 1:04:59
  about
• 1:05:00
  like
• 1:05:00
  that,
• 1:05:01
  that
• 1:05:01
  blue,
• 1:05:01
  green
• 1:05:02
  aqua
• 1:05:02
  haze
• 1:05:02
  that's
• 1:05:03
  on
• 1:05:03
  the
• 1:05:03
  water
• 1:05:03
  where
• 1:05:03
  you
• 1:05:04
  like
• 1:05:04
  look.
• 1:05:04
  And
• 1:05:04
  it's
• 1:05:04
  just,
• 1:05:05
  that's
• 1:05:05
  just
• 1:05:05
  how
• 1:05:05
  it
• 1:05:05
  is
• 1:05:05
  all
• 1:05:06
  day
• 1:05:06
  long.
• 1:05:06
  And
• 1:05:06
  it's,
• 1:05:07
  you
• 1:05:07
  know,
• 1:05:08
  it's,
• 1:05:08
  it's
• 1:05:08
  a
• 1:05:08
  90
• 1:05:08
  plus,
• 1:05:09
  90
• 1:05:09
  plus
• 1:05:09
  day.
• 1:05:09
  It's
• 1:05:10
  usually
• 1:05:10
  super
• 1:05:10
  high
• 1:05:10
  humidity
• 1:05:11
  and
• 1:05:11
  it's
• 1:05:11
  super
• 1:05:11
  hot
• 1:05:13
  out
• 1:05:13
  there
• 1:05:13
  with
• 1:05:13
  your
• 1:05:14
  straw
• 1:05:14
  cowboy
• 1:05:14
  hat
• 1:05:15
  on.
• 1:05:16
  That's
• 1:05:16
  what
• 1:05:16
  the
• 1:05:16
  midday
• 1:05:17
  dip
• 1:05:17
  in
• 1:05:17
  the
• 1:05:17
  river
• 1:05:18
  is
• 1:05:18
  for.
• 1:05:19
  Yeah,
• 1:05:19
  but
• 1:05:19
  that's
• 1:05:20
  not
• 1:05:20
  enough.
• 1:05:20
  Um,
• 1:05:21
  I
• 1:05:21
  figure
• 1:05:21
  if
• 1:05:21
  you
• 1:05:21
  wait
• 1:05:22
  until
• 1:05:22
  the
• 1:05:22
  Heat
• 1:05:22
  breaks.
• 1:05:22
  You've
• 1:05:23
  probably
• 1:05:23
  got,
• 1:05:23
  you
• 1:05:24
  know,
• 1:05:24
  two
• 1:05:24
  to
• 1:05:24
  three
• 1:05:24
  weeks
• 1:05:25
  of
• 1:05:25
  good
• 1:05:25
  top
• 1:05:25
  water
• 1:05:25
  fishing
• 1:05:26
  left.
• 1:05:26
  Oh,
• 1:05:27
  you
• 1:05:28
  know
• 1:05:28
  what,
• 1:05:28
  that's
• 1:05:28
  what
• 1:05:29
  I
• 1:05:29
  always
• 1:05:29
  thought.
• 1:05:29
  He
• 1:05:30
  catches
• 1:05:30
  fish
• 1:05:30
  all
• 1:05:30
  the
• 1:05:31
  way
• 1:05:31
  through
• 1:05:31
  until
• 1:05:31
  the
• 1:05:32
  first
• 1:05:32
  or
• 1:05:32
  the
• 1:05:33
  second
• 1:05:33
  really
• 1:05:33
  hard
• 1:05:33
  frost.
• 1:05:34
  He
• 1:05:34
  gets
• 1:05:34
  them
• 1:05:34
  all
• 1:05:34
  the
• 1:05:34
  way
• 1:05:34
  normally
• 1:05:35
  all
• 1:05:35
  the
• 1:05:36
  way
• 1:05:36
  through
• 1:05:36
  October
• 1:05:36
  and
• 1:05:36
  sometimes
• 1:05:37
  into
• 1:05:37
  November
• 1:05:38
  still.
• 1:05:38
  Yeah,
• 1:05:38
  he's
• 1:05:39
  like
• 1:05:39
  20
• 1:05:39
  fish
• 1:05:39
  days
• 1:05:40
  on
• 1:05:40
  top
• 1:05:40
  water
• 1:05:40
  that
• 1:05:41
  late
• 1:05:41
  season.
• 1:05:42
  Yeah,
• 1:05:42
  it's
• 1:05:42
  neat.
• 1:05:43
  And
• 1:05:43
  so,
• 1:05:43
  you
• 1:05:43
  know,
• 1:05:43
  it's
• 1:05:43
  kind
• 1:05:44
  of
• 1:05:44
  funny,
• 1:05:44
  right,
• 1:05:44
  because
• 1:05:44
  you
• 1:05:45
  know,
• 1:05:45
  the
• 1:05:45
  kind
• 1:05:45
  of
• 1:05:45
  the
• 1:05:46
  industry
• 1:05:46
  folks
• 1:05:46
  we're
• 1:05:47
  all
• 1:05:47
  starting
• 1:05:47
  to
• 1:05:47
  think
• 1:05:47
  about,
• 1:05:47
  like
• 1:05:48
  I'm
• 1:05:48
  thinking
• 1:05:48
  about,
• 1:05:49
  you
• 1:05:49
  know,
• 1:05:49
  advertising
• 1:05:50
  budgets
• 1:05:50
  that
• 1:05:50
  people
• 1:05:51
  start
• 1:05:51
  looking
• 1:05:51
  at
• 1:05:51
  in
• 1:05:52
  the
• 1:05:52
  third
• 1:05:52
  quarter.
• 1:05:52
  And
• 1:05:52
  so
• 1:05:52
  all
• 1:05:52
  of
• 1:05:53
  us
• 1:05:53
  now
• 1:05:53
  are
• 1:05:53
  starting
• 1:05:53
  to
• 1:05:53
  think
• 1:05:54
  about
• 1:05:54
  show
• 1:05:54
  season.
• 1:05:55
  So
• 1:05:56
  before
• 1:05:56
  I
• 1:05:56
  let
• 1:05:56
  you
• 1:05:57
  go,
• 1:05:57
  you
• 1:05:57
  know,
• 1:05:57
  do
• 1:05:57
  you
• 1:05:57
  guys
• 1:05:58
  know
• 1:05:58
  kind
• 1:05:58
  of
• 1:05:58
  where
• 1:05:59
  you'll
• 1:05:59
  be?
• 1:06:00
  You
• 1:06:00
  know,
• 1:06:00
  I
• 1:06:00
  guess
• 1:06:00
  the
• 1:06:00
  first
• 1:06:00
  one
• 1:06:01
  that
• 1:06:01
  might
• 1:06:01
  come
• 1:06:01
  up
• 1:06:01
  would
• 1:06:01
  be
• 1:06:01
  the
• 1:06:02
  fly
• 1:06:02
  tying
• 1:06:02
  symposium
• 1:06:03
  up
• 1:06:03
  in
• 1:06:04
  New
• 1:06:04
  Jersey
• 1:06:04
  in
• 1:06:04
  November
• 1:06:05
  before
• 1:06:05
  we
• 1:06:05
  kind
• 1:06:05
  of
• 1:06:05
  get
• 1:06:05
  into
• 1:06:05
  the
• 1:06:06
  thick
• 1:06:06
  of
• 1:06:06
  it.
• 1:06:06
  But
• 1:06:07
  if
• 1:06:07
  you
• 1:06:07
  have
• 1:06:07
  places
• 1:06:08
  where
• 1:06:08
  people
• 1:06:08
  know
• 1:06:08
  they
• 1:06:09
  can
• 1:06:09
  find
• 1:06:09
  you
• 1:06:09
  to
• 1:06:09
  talk
• 1:06:09
  about
• 1:06:10
  Dave,
• 1:06:11
  learn
• 1:06:11
  how
• 1:06:11
  to
• 1:06:11
  tie
• 1:06:11
  patterns,
• 1:06:12
  talk
• 1:06:12
  about
• 1:06:12
  sodium
• 1:06:13
  free
• 1:06:13
  striper.
• 1:06:14
  You
• 1:06:14
  guys
• 1:06:14
  want
• 1:06:15
  to
• 1:06:15
  share
• 1:06:15
  your,
• 1:06:15
  your
• 1:06:16
  show
• 1:06:16
  plans?
• 1:06:17
  Henry,
• 1:06:17
  you
• 1:06:17
  can
• 1:06:18
  go
• 1:06:18
  first.
• 1:06:19
  You
• 1:06:19
  know,
• 1:06:19
  it's
• 1:06:20
  really
• 1:06:20
  easy
• 1:06:20
  for
• 1:06:20
  me
• 1:06:21
  if
• 1:06:21
  I'm
• 1:06:21
  going
• 1:06:21
  to
• 1:06:21
  do
• 1:06:21
  any
• 1:06:22
  show
• 1:06:22
  this
• 1:06:22
  year,
• 1:06:22
  it's
• 1:06:23
  going
• 1:06:23
  to
• 1:06:23
  be
• 1:06:23
  if
• 1:06:23
  they
• 1:06:24
  have
• 1:06:24
  if
• 1:06:24
  Atlanta
• 1:06:25
  happens.
• 1:06:26
  And
• 1:06:26
  right
• 1:06:26
  now
• 1:06:26
  it's
• 1:06:27
  not
• 1:06:27
  a
• 1:06:27
  guarantee
• 1:06:27
  that
• 1:06:28
  Atlanta
• 1:06:28
  is
• 1:06:28
  going
• 1:06:28
  to
• 1:06:29
  happen
• 1:06:29
  because
• 1:06:31
  the
• 1:06:33
  venue
• 1:06:33
  where
• 1:06:33
  we've
• 1:06:34
  had
• 1:06:34
  it
• 1:06:34
  for
• 1:06:34
  the
• 1:06:35
  last
• 1:06:35
  several
• 1:06:35
  years
• 1:06:36
  is
• 1:06:36
  not
• 1:06:36
  renewing
• 1:06:37
  the
• 1:06:37
  fly
• 1:06:37
  fishing
• 1:06:38
  shows
• 1:06:38
  contract.
• 1:06:40
  They
• 1:06:40
  just
• 1:06:40
  never
• 1:06:41
  felt
• 1:06:41
  we
• 1:06:41
  were
• 1:06:41
  a
• 1:06:41
  good
• 1:06:42
  fit,
• 1:06:42
  which
• 1:06:42
  is
• 1:06:42
  ridiculous,
• 1:06:43
  but
• 1:06:44
  such
• 1:06:45
  a
• 1:06:45
  nice.
• 1:06:46
  Yeah,
• 1:06:47
  it
• 1:06:47
  was
• 1:06:47
  a
• 1:06:47
  great
• 1:06:47
  venue,
• 1:06:48
  but.
• 1:06:49
  And
• 1:06:49
  all
• 1:06:49
  the
• 1:06:50
  other
• 1:06:50
  venues
• 1:06:50
  that
• 1:06:50
  are
• 1:06:50
  local
• 1:06:51
  that
• 1:06:51
  time
• 1:06:51
  of
• 1:06:52
  year,
• 1:06:52
  they're
• 1:06:52
  already
• 1:06:53
  booked.
• 1:06:54
  So
• 1:06:54
  Ben
• 1:06:55
  may
• 1:06:55
  have
• 1:06:55
  to
• 1:06:56
  pass
• 1:06:57
  on
• 1:06:57
  26
• 1:06:58
  and
• 1:06:58
  then
• 1:06:58
  come
• 1:06:58
  back
• 1:06:59
  better
• 1:06:59
  than
• 1:06:59
  ever
• 1:06:59
  in
• 1:07:00
  27.
• 1:07:00
  We
• 1:07:00
  have
• 1:07:01
  a
• 1:07:01
  wonderful
• 1:07:01
  place
• 1:07:02
  that
• 1:07:02
  he's
• 1:07:03
  looking
• 1:07:03
  into
• 1:07:03
  now
• 1:07:03
  that
• 1:07:04
  would
• 1:07:04
  actually
• 1:07:04
  be
• 1:07:05
  better
• 1:07:05
  than
• 1:07:05
  the,
• 1:07:06
  the
• 1:07:06
  venue
• 1:07:06
  where
• 1:07:06
  it's
• 1:07:07
  been
• 1:07:07
  at.
• 1:07:08
  So
• 1:07:08
  he's
• 1:07:09
  looking
• 1:07:09
  at
• 1:07:09
  the
• 1:07:09
  Cobb
• 1:07:10
  Galleria
• 1:07:10
  going
• 1:07:10
  forward
• 1:07:11
  and
• 1:07:11
  we're
• 1:07:11
  going
• 1:07:11
  to
• 1:07:11
  keep
• 1:07:12
  our
• 1:07:12
  fingers
• 1:07:12
  crossed.
• 1:07:13
  And
• 1:07:14
  then,
• 1:07:14
  you
• 1:07:14
  know,
• 1:07:14
  if
• 1:07:14
  I'm
• 1:07:15
  feeling
• 1:07:15
  up
• 1:07:15
  to
• 1:07:15
  it,
• 1:07:16
  I,
• 1:07:16
  you
• 1:07:16
  know,
• 1:07:16
  I
• 1:07:16
  haven't
• 1:07:17
  been
• 1:07:17
  up
• 1:07:17
  to
• 1:07:18
  Edison,
• 1:07:18
  New
• 1:07:19
  Jersey
• 1:07:19
  in
• 1:07:19
  a
• 1:07:19
  long
• 1:07:20
  time.
• 1:07:21
  So
• 1:07:21
  I
• 1:07:21
  may
• 1:07:21
  show
• 1:07:22
  up,
• 1:07:22
  I
• 1:07:22
  may
• 1:07:22
  show
• 1:07:22
  my
• 1:07:23
  face
• 1:07:23
  there
• 1:07:23
  and,
• 1:07:25
  and,
• 1:07:25
  and
• 1:07:25
  walk
• 1:07:26
  around
• 1:07:26
  Edison
• 1:07:27
  a
• 1:07:27
  little
• 1:07:27
  bit.
• 1:07:27
  And
• 1:07:28
  if
• 1:07:28
  that
• 1:07:28
  those
• 1:07:28
  are
• 1:07:29
  the
• 1:07:29
  two
• 1:07:29
  shows,
• 1:07:29
  you
• 1:07:30
  know,
• 1:07:30
  that
• 1:07:30
  those
• 1:07:30
  are
• 1:07:31
  the
• 1:07:31
  two
• 1:07:31
  shows
• 1:07:31
  because
• 1:07:32
  of
• 1:07:32
  my
• 1:07:32
  health
• 1:07:32
  that
• 1:07:33
  I
• 1:07:33
  could
• 1:07:33
  really
• 1:07:33
  afford
• 1:07:34
  to
• 1:07:34
  do
• 1:07:34
  if
• 1:07:34
  I
• 1:07:34
  was
• 1:07:34
  going
• 1:07:35
  to
• 1:07:35
  do
• 1:07:35
  other
• 1:07:35
  shows.
• 1:07:36
  What
• 1:07:36
  I
• 1:07:37
  would
• 1:07:37
  consider
• 1:07:37
  doing
• 1:07:38
  is
• 1:07:38
  I'd
• 1:07:38
  love
• 1:07:39
  to
• 1:07:39
  do
• 1:07:39
  Denver
• 1:07:39
  Because
• 1:07:40
  I
• 1:07:40
  hear
• 1:07:40
  it's
• 1:07:40
  a
• 1:07:40
  great
• 1:07:41
  show.
• 1:07:41
  And
• 1:07:42
  you
• 1:07:42
  know,
• 1:07:42
  my,
• 1:07:43
  my,
• 1:07:44
  you
• 1:07:44
  know,
• 1:07:44
  my
• 1:07:45
  audience
• 1:07:45
  would
• 1:07:46
  be
• 1:07:46
  in
• 1:07:47
  San
• 1:07:47
  Francisco
• 1:07:48
  at
• 1:07:48
  that.
• 1:07:48
  At,
• 1:07:49
  you
• 1:07:49
  know,
• 1:07:49
  at
• 1:07:49
  the
• 1:07:50
  west
• 1:07:50
  coast
• 1:07:50
  show
• 1:07:51
  that
• 1:07:51
  would.
• 1:07:51
  There's
• 1:07:52
  a
• 1:07:52
  lot
• 1:07:52
  of
• 1:07:52
  freshwater
• 1:07:53
  striper
• 1:07:53
  fishing
• 1:07:53
  up
• 1:07:54
  there
• 1:07:54
  for
• 1:07:55
  those
• 1:07:55
  guys.
• 1:07:55
  And
• 1:07:56
  so
• 1:07:56
  I
• 1:07:56
  would
• 1:07:56
  consider
• 1:07:57
  doing
• 1:07:57
  that
• 1:07:57
  too.
• 1:07:59
  But
• 1:08:00
  for
• 1:08:00
  sure,
• 1:08:01
  right
• 1:08:01
  now,
• 1:08:01
  Atlanta,
• 1:08:02
  if
• 1:08:02
  it's
• 1:08:02
  on,
• 1:08:02
  I'll
• 1:08:03
  be
• 1:08:03
  there.
• 1:08:03
  And
• 1:08:04
  good
• 1:08:04
  chance
• 1:08:05
  I'm
• 1:08:05
  going
• 1:08:05
  to
• 1:08:06
  try
• 1:08:06
  and
• 1:08:06
  get
• 1:08:06
  up
• 1:08:06
  to
• 1:08:06
  the
• 1:08:07
  January
• 1:08:07
  show
• 1:08:07
  in
• 1:08:08
  Somerset.
• 1:08:10
  We'll
• 1:08:10
  have
• 1:08:10
  to
• 1:08:10
  go
• 1:08:10
  to
• 1:08:10
  Harold's
• 1:08:11
  together
• 1:08:11
  if
• 1:08:11
  that
• 1:08:11
  happens.
• 1:08:12
  Oh,
• 1:08:13
  now
• 1:08:13
  we're
• 1:08:14
  talking.
• 1:08:16
  Yeah.
• 1:08:17
  How
• 1:08:17
  was
• 1:08:17
  you?
• 1:08:17
  Have
• 1:08:17
  you
• 1:08:17
  been
• 1:08:17
  to
• 1:08:18
  Harold?
• 1:08:18
  Have
• 1:08:18
  you
• 1:08:18
  been
• 1:08:18
  to
• 1:08:19
  Harold?
• 1:08:19
  Is
• 1:08:20
  that
• 1:08:20
  the
• 1:08:20
  place
• 1:08:20
  for
• 1:08:20
  the
• 1:08:20
  pastrami
• 1:08:21
  sandwich?
• 1:08:22
  Yeah,
• 1:08:22
  the
• 1:08:22
  one.
• 1:08:23
  The
• 1:08:23
  one
• 1:08:23
  where
• 1:08:23
  if
• 1:08:24
  you
• 1:08:24
  spread
• 1:08:24
  your
• 1:08:24
  forefinger
• 1:08:25
  and
• 1:08:25
  your
• 1:08:25
  thumb
• 1:08:26
  as
• 1:08:26
  far
• 1:08:26
  apart
• 1:08:26
  as
• 1:08:27
  you
• 1:08:27
  can,
• 1:08:27
  that's
• 1:08:27
  what
• 1:08:27
  one
• 1:08:28
  sandwich
• 1:08:28
  looks
• 1:08:28
  like.
• 1:08:29
  Of
• 1:08:29
  pastrami.
• 1:08:30
  Yeah,
• 1:08:30
  it's
• 1:08:31
  great.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah.
• 1:08:32
  And
• 1:08:32
  the
• 1:08:32
  matzas
• 1:08:32
  are
• 1:08:32
  the
• 1:08:33
  size
• 1:08:33
  of
• 1:08:33
  a
• 1:08:33
  coconut.
• 1:08:34
  Yeah,
• 1:08:34
  it's
• 1:08:35
  true.
• 1:08:36
  Nice.
• 1:08:36
  Nice.
• 1:08:38
  Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  All
• 1:08:39
  right,
• 1:08:39
  well,
• 1:08:39
  I'm.
• 1:08:40
  I'll
• 1:08:40
  be
• 1:08:41
  at
• 1:08:41
  the
• 1:08:41
  fly
• 1:08:42
  tying
• 1:08:42
  symposium.
• 1:08:43
  I
• 1:08:43
  just
• 1:08:43
  mailed
• 1:08:43
  my
• 1:08:43
  check
• 1:08:43
  in
• 1:08:43
  yesterday
• 1:08:44
  to
• 1:08:44
  Chuck
• 1:08:44
  there.
• 1:08:45
  November,
• 1:08:45
  was
• 1:08:46
  it
• 1:08:46
  November
• 1:08:46
  15th?
• 1:08:47
  I
• 1:08:47
  think
• 1:08:47
  it
• 1:08:47
  is.
• 1:08:47
  And
• 1:08:47
  16th,
• 1:08:48
  but
• 1:08:49
  you'll
• 1:08:49
  have
• 1:08:49
  to
• 1:08:49
  check
• 1:08:50
  his
• 1:08:50
  website
• 1:08:50
  for
• 1:08:50
  that.
• 1:08:52
  Then
• 1:08:52
  I'll
• 1:08:52
  be
• 1:08:52
  doing
• 1:08:52
  the
• 1:08:52
  Virginia
• 1:08:53
  fly
• 1:08:53
  fishing
• 1:08:53
  and
• 1:08:53
  Wine
• 1:08:54
  Festival.
• 1:08:56
  Typically
• 1:08:56
  do
• 1:08:57
  the
• 1:08:57
  Jersey
• 1:08:57
  show.
• 1:08:59
  I'll
• 1:08:59
  do
• 1:08:59
  the
• 1:08:59
  Lancaster
• 1:09:00
  show
• 1:09:00
  again
• 1:09:01
  if
• 1:09:02
  Atlanta
• 1:09:02
  happens.
• 1:09:02
  I
• 1:09:02
  normally
• 1:09:03
  do
• 1:09:03
  the
• 1:09:03
  Atlanta
• 1:09:03
  show.
• 1:09:05
  I
• 1:09:05
  do
• 1:09:05
  the
• 1:09:05
  show
• 1:09:05
  in
• 1:09:06
  Maryland.
• 1:09:06
  It's
• 1:09:07
  a
• 1:09:07
  one
• 1:09:07
  day
• 1:09:07
  event
• 1:09:09
  towards
• 1:09:09
  the
• 1:09:09
  end
• 1:09:09
  of
• 1:09:09
  March.
• 1:09:10
  I
• 1:09:10
  do
• 1:09:10
  the
• 1:09:10
  Saalbug
• 1:09:10
  Roundup
• 1:09:11
  every
• 1:09:11
  year
• 1:09:12
  out
• 1:09:12
  in
• 1:09:12
  Mountain
• 1:09:13
  Home.
• 1:09:16
  What's
• 1:09:17
  the
• 1:09:17
  other
• 1:09:17
  one?
• 1:09:17
  I
• 1:09:17
  did
• 1:09:17
  Denver
• 1:09:17
  last
• 1:09:18
  year.
• 1:09:18
  I'm
• 1:09:18
  not.
• 1:09:18
  Denver
• 1:09:19
  was
• 1:09:19
  a
• 1:09:20
  weird
• 1:09:20
  show.
• 1:09:21
  It
• 1:09:21
  was
• 1:09:21
  very
• 1:09:21
  busy,
• 1:09:22
  but
• 1:09:22
  it,
• 1:09:22
  it
• 1:09:22
  seemed
• 1:09:22
  like
• 1:09:23
  there
• 1:09:23
  were
• 1:09:23
  a.
• 1:09:24
  There
• 1:09:24
  were
• 1:09:24
  a
• 1:09:24
  lot
• 1:09:24
  of
• 1:09:25
  non
• 1:09:26
  fly
• 1:09:26
  fishing
• 1:09:26
  anglers
• 1:09:27
  that
• 1:09:27
  came
• 1:09:27
  because
• 1:09:28
  it
• 1:09:28
  was
• 1:09:28
  a
• 1:09:28
  family.
• 1:09:29
  A
• 1:09:29
  family
• 1:09:29
  day
• 1:09:29
  out
• 1:09:30
  kind
• 1:09:30
  of
• 1:09:30
  thing.
• 1:09:31
  So
• 1:09:32
  that
• 1:09:32
  was.
• 1:09:32
  I'm
• 1:09:32
  not
• 1:09:33
  sure
• 1:09:33
  about
• 1:09:33
  that
• 1:09:33
  one
• 1:09:33
  because
• 1:09:34
  it's.
• 1:09:34
  It's
• 1:09:34
  a
• 1:09:35
  rather
• 1:09:35
  expensive
• 1:09:35
  show
• 1:09:36
  to
• 1:09:36
  begin
• 1:09:36
  with,
• 1:09:38
  so
• 1:09:38
  that
• 1:09:39
  one
• 1:09:39
  might.
• 1:09:39
  May
• 1:09:39
  or
• 1:09:39
  may
• 1:09:39
  not
• 1:09:40
  happen.
• 1:09:41
  There's
• 1:09:41
  one
• 1:09:41
  other
• 1:09:42
  show
• 1:09:42
  that.
• 1:09:42
  Oh,
• 1:09:42
  I
• 1:09:42
  do
• 1:09:43
  the.
• 1:09:43
  You
• 1:09:43
  do
• 1:09:44
  Texas.
• 1:09:46
  I,
• 1:09:46
  I
• 1:09:47
  haven't
• 1:09:47
  done
• 1:09:48
  both.
• 1:09:48
  Stopped
• 1:09:48
  doing
• 1:09:49
  the
• 1:09:49
  Texas
• 1:09:49
  one.
• 1:09:49
  I
• 1:09:49
  haven't
• 1:09:50
  been
• 1:09:50
  invited
• 1:09:50
  to
• 1:09:51
  the.
• 1:09:52
  The
• 1:09:52
  Trout
• 1:09:52
  Fest.
• 1:09:54
  Oh,
• 1:09:54
  yeah,
• 1:09:55
  the
• 1:09:55
  one
• 1:09:55
  in
• 1:09:55
  Florida
• 1:09:57
  that
• 1:09:57
  they
• 1:09:57
  had
• 1:09:57
  this
• 1:09:58
  year.
• 1:09:58
  Oh,
• 1:09:59
  the
• 1:09:59
  lefty.
• 1:09:59
  The
• 1:09:59
  tie
• 1:10:00
  Fest.
• 1:10:00
  I
• 1:10:00
  wasn't.
• 1:10:01
  But
• 1:10:01
  I,
• 1:10:02
  I
• 1:10:02
  have
• 1:10:02
  since
• 1:10:03
  spoken
• 1:10:03
  to
• 1:10:03
  Jackie
• 1:10:04
  and
• 1:10:05
  Bob
• 1:10:06
  about
• 1:10:06
  that
• 1:10:06
  and
• 1:10:07
  they're
• 1:10:07
  working
• 1:10:07
  on
• 1:10:08
  getting
• 1:10:08
  me
• 1:10:08
  an
• 1:10:08
  invitation
• 1:10:08
  for
• 1:10:09
  next
• 1:10:09
  year.
• 1:10:09
  Oh,
• 1:10:10
  we'll
• 1:10:10
  get
• 1:10:10
  you
• 1:10:10
  in
• 1:10:10
  that.
• 1:10:10
  No,
• 1:10:11
  Blaine
• 1:10:11
  is
• 1:10:11
  very.
• 1:10:12
  A
• 1:10:12
  big
• 1:10:12
  part
• 1:10:13
  of
• 1:10:13
  that.
• 1:10:13
  We'll
• 1:10:13
  get
• 1:10:14
  you
• 1:10:14
  in.
• 1:10:14
  Blaine
• 1:10:14
  was
• 1:10:14
  always
• 1:10:15
  Looking
• 1:10:15
  for.
• 1:10:16
  For
• 1:10:16
  good
• 1:10:16
  tires.
• 1:10:17
  So
• 1:10:18
  if
• 1:10:18
  you
• 1:10:18
  want
• 1:10:18
  to
• 1:10:18
  tie
• 1:10:19
  there,
• 1:10:19
  just
• 1:10:19
  let
• 1:10:19
  me
• 1:10:19
  know.
• 1:10:20
  We'll
• 1:10:20
  get
• 1:10:20
  you
• 1:10:20
  signed
• 1:10:21
  up
• 1:10:21
  immediately.
• 1:10:22
  Yeah,
• 1:10:22
  no,
• 1:10:23
  I
• 1:10:23
  want
• 1:10:24
  to
• 1:10:24
  do
• 1:10:24
  that.
• 1:10:24
  And
• 1:10:24
  then
• 1:10:24
  I
• 1:10:24
  also
• 1:10:25
  do
• 1:10:25
  the.
• 1:10:26
  My.
• 1:10:26
  My
• 1:10:26
  second
• 1:10:27
  favorite
• 1:10:27
  or
• 1:10:27
  even
• 1:10:28
  my
• 1:10:28
  favorite
• 1:10:28
  show
• 1:10:29
  depending
• 1:10:29
  upon
• 1:10:29
  the
• 1:10:30
  mood.
• 1:10:30
  I'm
• 1:10:30
  in
• 1:10:30
  the
• 1:10:31
  Gulf
• 1:10:31
  Coast
• 1:10:31
  Classic
• 1:10:32
  down
• 1:10:32
  in
• 1:10:32
  Gulf
• 1:10:32
  Shores,
• 1:10:33
  Alabama.
• 1:10:33
  It's
• 1:10:33
  a
• 1:10:34
  very
• 1:10:34
  small
• 1:10:34
  FFI
• 1:10:35
  show.
• 1:10:35
  It's
• 1:10:35
  a
• 1:10:35
  Friday,
• 1:10:36
  Saturday
• 1:10:36
  show.
• 1:10:39
  It's
• 1:10:39
  a.
• 1:10:39
  They
• 1:10:40
  got.
• 1:10:40
  I
• 1:10:40
  think
• 1:10:40
  they
• 1:10:40
  got
• 1:10:41
  400
• 1:10:41
  people
• 1:10:41
  this
• 1:10:42
  year
• 1:10:42
  between
• 1:10:42
  the
• 1:10:42
  two
• 1:10:43
  days
• 1:10:43
  to
• 1:10:43
  walk
• 1:10:43
  through.
• 1:10:44
  It's
• 1:10:44
  really
• 1:10:45
  small.
• 1:10:45
  It's
• 1:10:45
  like
• 1:10:45
  a.
• 1:10:46
  Smaller
• 1:10:47
  than
• 1:10:47
  like
• 1:10:47
  a.
• 1:10:47
  A
• 1:10:48
  high
• 1:10:48
  school
• 1:10:48
  basketball,
• 1:10:49
  you
• 1:10:49
  know,
• 1:10:50
  thing.
• 1:10:50
  But
• 1:10:50
  it's.
• 1:10:51
  They're
• 1:10:52
  really
• 1:10:52
  good
• 1:10:52
  about.
• 1:10:52
  They
• 1:10:53
  have
• 1:10:53
  free
• 1:10:53
  fly
• 1:10:53
  casting
• 1:10:54
  lessons.
• 1:10:54
  They
• 1:10:54
  have
• 1:10:54
  a
• 1:10:54
  bunch
• 1:10:55
  of
• 1:10:55
  free
• 1:10:55
  stuff
• 1:10:55
  for
• 1:10:55
  beginners.
• 1:10:56
  They
• 1:10:57
  had
• 1:10:57
  advanced
• 1:10:58
  people.
• 1:10:58
  You
• 1:10:58
  know
• 1:10:58
  they
• 1:10:59
  have
• 1:10:59
  two.
• 1:11:00
  They
• 1:11:01
  had
• 1:11:01
  one
• 1:11:01
  mass
• 1:11:01
  certified
• 1:11:02
  master
• 1:11:02
  casting
• 1:11:03
  instructor
• 1:11:03
  there
• 1:11:03
  and
• 1:11:03
  three
• 1:11:04
  certified
• 1:11:04
  casting
• 1:11:05
  instructors
• 1:11:06
  doing
• 1:11:06
  this.
• 1:11:07
  We
• 1:11:08
  got
• 1:11:08
  a.
• 1:11:08
  A
• 1:11:08
  good
• 1:11:08
  group
• 1:11:09
  of
• 1:11:09
  tires
• 1:11:09
  that
• 1:11:09
  came
• 1:11:10
  down.
• 1:11:10
  We
• 1:11:11
  had
• 1:11:11
  somebody
• 1:11:11
  from
• 1:11:12
  South
• 1:11:12
  Dakota,
• 1:11:12
  Texas,
• 1:11:14
  Mac
• 1:11:14
  Bryson
• 1:11:15
  from
• 1:11:15
  Georgia
• 1:11:16
  came
• 1:11:16
  over.
• 1:11:18
  I'm
• 1:11:18
  sure
• 1:11:18
  sp.
• 1:11:19
  I'm
• 1:11:19
  sure
• 1:11:19
  Space
• 1:11:19
  Coast
• 1:11:20
  Flies
• 1:11:20
  was
• 1:11:21
  probably
• 1:11:21
  there.
• 1:11:22
  They
• 1:11:22
  were,
• 1:11:23
  you
• 1:11:24
  know,
• 1:11:24
  just.
• 1:11:24
  There's
• 1:11:25
  so
• 1:11:25
  many
• 1:11:25
  people
• 1:11:25
  there
• 1:11:26
  that.
• 1:11:27
  And
• 1:11:27
  it's
• 1:11:29
  the
• 1:11:29
  only
• 1:11:29
  desire
• 1:11:30
  there
• 1:11:30
  is
• 1:11:30
  to
• 1:11:30
  just
• 1:11:31
  teach
• 1:11:31
  fly
• 1:11:32
  tying
• 1:11:32
  and
• 1:11:32
  fly
• 1:11:32
  fishing.
• 1:11:34
  If
• 1:11:34
  commerce
• 1:11:35
  happens,
• 1:11:36
  that's
• 1:11:36
  great.
• 1:11:37
  There's
• 1:11:37
  something
• 1:11:37
  nice
• 1:11:38
  about.
• 1:11:38
  It's
• 1:11:38
  kind
• 1:11:38
  of
• 1:11:38
  how
• 1:11:38
  I
• 1:11:39
  feel
• 1:11:39
  about
• 1:11:39
  the
• 1:11:39
  Sabug
• 1:11:39
  Roundup,
• 1:11:40
  which
• 1:11:40
  is
• 1:11:40
  my
• 1:11:40
  other
• 1:11:40
  favorite
• 1:11:41
  show.
• 1:11:41
  Commerce
• 1:11:42
  isn't
• 1:11:42
  the,
• 1:11:42
  the
• 1:11:43
  main
• 1:11:43
  reason.
• 1:11:44
  Fly
• 1:11:44
  fishing
• 1:11:45
  is
• 1:11:45
  the
• 1:11:45
  reason.
• 1:11:45
  Teaching
• 1:11:45
  is
• 1:11:46
  the
• 1:11:46
  reason.
• 1:11:47
  You
• 1:11:47
  know,
• 1:11:47
  the
• 1:11:47
  sal
• 1:11:48
  bug
• 1:11:48
  for
• 1:11:48
  me
• 1:11:48
  to
• 1:11:48
  go
• 1:11:49
  outside
• 1:11:50
  of.
• 1:11:50
  Once
• 1:11:50
  I'm
• 1:11:51
  there,
• 1:11:51
  it's
• 1:11:51
  free.
• 1:11:52
  I
• 1:11:52
  get
• 1:11:52
  to
• 1:11:52
  walk
• 1:11:52
  in
• 1:11:53
  every
• 1:11:53
  day.
• 1:11:53
  It's
• 1:11:53
  free.
• 1:11:53
  I
• 1:11:53
  don't
• 1:11:54
  get,
• 1:11:54
  I
• 1:11:54
  don't
• 1:11:54
  get
• 1:11:54
  charged.
• 1:11:56
  But
• 1:11:56
  the,
• 1:11:56
  the,
• 1:11:56
  the.
• 1:11:57
  The
• 1:11:57
  deal
• 1:11:57
  I
• 1:11:58
  have
• 1:11:58
  where
• 1:11:58
  they
• 1:11:58
  have
• 1:11:58
  with
• 1:11:58
  all
• 1:11:59
  of
• 1:11:59
  the
• 1:11:59
  tires
• 1:11:59
  is
• 1:12:00
  there's
• 1:12:00
  two
• 1:12:01
  seats
• 1:12:01
  on
• 1:12:01
  the
• 1:12:01
  other
• 1:12:01
  side
• 1:12:01
  of
• 1:12:02
  the.
• 1:12:02
  Where
• 1:12:02
  you're
• 1:12:02
  tying.
• 1:12:03
  Somebody
• 1:12:03
  walks
• 1:12:03
  up
• 1:12:03
  and
• 1:12:04
  wants
• 1:12:04
  to
• 1:12:04
  learn
• 1:12:04
  how
• 1:12:04
  to
• 1:12:04
  tie
• 1:12:05
  that
• 1:12:05
  fly
• 1:12:05
  that
• 1:12:05
  you're
• 1:12:06
  doing.
• 1:12:06
  Teach
• 1:12:07
  them.
• 1:12:07
  That's
• 1:12:07
  the
• 1:12:08
  only
• 1:12:08
  rule.
• 1:12:09
  And
• 1:12:09
  great
• 1:12:10
  seafood
• 1:12:10
  to
• 1:12:11
  boot
• 1:12:12
  for
• 1:12:12
  dinner.
• 1:12:13
  Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  The
• 1:12:14
  Gulf
• 1:12:14
  Coast
• 1:12:14
  Classic
• 1:12:14
  has.
• 1:12:15
  We
• 1:12:15
  have
• 1:12:15
  found
• 1:12:16
  a
• 1:12:16
  couple
• 1:12:16
  of
• 1:12:16
  good
• 1:12:16
  places.
• 1:12:17
  I
• 1:12:17
  can
• 1:12:17
  only
• 1:12:18
  imagine
• 1:12:18
  you're
• 1:12:19
  not
• 1:12:19
  going
• 1:12:19
  to
• 1:12:19
  get
• 1:12:19
  any
• 1:12:20
  better.
• 1:12:20
  Any
• 1:12:21
  fresher
• 1:12:21
  grouper
• 1:12:22
  than
• 1:12:22
  down
• 1:12:22
  there.
• 1:12:23
  Yeah.
• 1:12:24
  I
• 1:12:24
  will
• 1:12:24
  say
• 1:12:25
  that
• 1:12:25
  the,
• 1:12:25
  the
• 1:12:25
  Dave's,
• 1:12:26
  the.
• 1:12:26
  The
• 1:12:27
  air
• 1:12:27
  jet
• 1:12:27
  Minnow
• 1:12:27
  hooked
• 1:12:28
  its
• 1:12:28
  first
• 1:12:28
  alligator
• 1:12:29
  down
• 1:12:29
  there
• 1:12:29
  this
• 1:12:29
  year.
• 1:12:30
  Nice.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Jeff
• 1:12:32
  Riley
• 1:12:32
  hooked
• 1:12:32
  an
• 1:12:32
  alligator
• 1:12:33
  with.
• 1:12:35
  Was
• 1:12:35
  small.
• 1:12:35
  It
• 1:12:35
  was
• 1:12:35
  only
• 1:12:36
  like
• 1:12:36
  six
• 1:12:36
  or
• 1:12:36
  seven
• 1:12:36
  feet,
• 1:12:37
  he
• 1:12:37
  said.
• 1:12:37
  And
• 1:12:37
  I
• 1:12:37
  was
• 1:12:37
  like
• 1:12:39
  glad
• 1:12:39
  we
• 1:12:39
  didn't
• 1:12:39
  play
• 1:12:40
  around
• 1:12:40
  with
• 1:12:40
  that
• 1:12:40
  thing
• 1:12:40
  too
• 1:12:41
  much.
• 1:12:41
  So
• 1:12:43
  very
• 1:12:43
  neat.
• 1:12:43
  So
• 1:12:44
  Alan,
• 1:12:44
  if
• 1:12:44
  folks
• 1:12:44
  wanted
• 1:12:45
  to
• 1:12:45
  follow
• 1:12:45
  your
• 1:12:45
  adventures
• 1:12:46
  at
• 1:12:46
  the
• 1:12:46
  Vice
• 1:12:46
  on
• 1:12:46
  the
• 1:12:47
  water
• 1:12:47
  or
• 1:12:47
  reach
• 1:12:47
  out
• 1:12:47
  about
• 1:12:47
  flies
• 1:12:48
  or
• 1:12:48
  classes.
• 1:12:48
  Where
• 1:12:49
  should
• 1:12:49
  they
• 1:12:49
  go?
• 1:12:51
  Website's
• 1:12:51
  pretty
• 1:12:51
  easy.
• 1:12:52
  It's
• 1:12:52
  flyonthewater.com
• 1:12:53
  social
• 1:12:54
  media,
• 1:12:54
  Instagram,
• 1:12:55
  it's
• 1:12:55
  fly
• 1:12:55
  on
• 1:12:55
  the
• 1:12:55
  underscore
• 1:12:56
  water.
• 1:12:57
  And
• 1:12:57
  then
• 1:12:57
  on
• 1:12:57
  Facebook,
• 1:12:58
  it's
• 1:12:58
  bespoke
• 1:12:59
  flies.
• 1:13:00
  But
• 1:13:00
  you
• 1:13:00
  can
• 1:13:00
  also
• 1:13:00
  type
• 1:13:01
  in
• 1:13:01
  fly
• 1:13:01
  on
• 1:13:01
  the
• 1:13:01
  water
• 1:13:01
  there
• 1:13:02
  and
• 1:13:02
  it'll
• 1:13:02
  come
• 1:13:02
  up.
• 1:13:03
  Well,
• 1:13:03
  there
• 1:13:03
  you
• 1:13:04
  go.
• 1:13:04
  How
• 1:13:04
  about
• 1:13:04
  you,
• 1:13:04
  Henry?
• 1:13:04
  If
• 1:13:05
  folks
• 1:13:05
  want
• 1:13:05
  to,
• 1:13:05
  you
• 1:13:05
  know,
• 1:13:06
  know
• 1:13:06
  about
• 1:13:06
  all
• 1:13:06
  things
• 1:13:06
  sodium
• 1:13:07
  free
• 1:13:07
  striper,
• 1:13:07
  where
• 1:13:07
  should
• 1:13:08
  they
• 1:13:08
  go?
• 1:13:09
  Well,
• 1:13:09
  they
• 1:13:09
  can
• 1:13:09
  go
• 1:13:10
  to
• 1:13:10
  the
• 1:13:10
  website
• 1:13:10
  at
• 1:13:10
  Henry
• 1:13:11
  Cowan.
• 1:13:11
  Fly
• 1:13:12
  fishing.
• 1:13:12
  C
• 1:13:12
  O
• 1:13:12
  w
• 1:13:13
  e
• 1:13:13
  n
• 1:13:13
  fly
• 1:13:14
  fishing.com
• 1:13:16
  if
• 1:13:16
  they
• 1:13:16
  want
• 1:13:17
  to
• 1:13:17
  book
• 1:13:17
  a
• 1:13:17
  trip
• 1:13:17
  or
• 1:13:18
  learn
• 1:13:18
  about
• 1:13:18
  it.
• 1:13:18
  If
• 1:13:19
  they
• 1:13:19
  really
• 1:13:19
  want
• 1:13:19
  to
• 1:13:19
  learn
• 1:13:19
  about
• 1:13:20
  it,
• 1:13:20
  just
• 1:13:20
  go
• 1:13:20
  buy
• 1:13:21
  the
• 1:13:21
  book.
• 1:13:21
  You
• 1:13:21
  know,
• 1:13:22
  fly
• 1:13:22
  fishing
• 1:13:22
  for
• 1:13:23
  freshwater
• 1:13:23
  stripers.
• 1:13:24
  That's
• 1:13:25
  all
• 1:13:25
  encompassing
• 1:13:26
  about
• 1:13:27
  how
• 1:13:27
  to
• 1:13:27
  find
• 1:13:27
  fish
• 1:13:28
  on
• 1:13:28
  a
• 1:13:28
  lake
• 1:13:28
  or
• 1:13:29
  a
• 1:13:29
  river.
• 1:13:29
  In
• 1:13:29
  general,
• 1:13:30
  it's
• 1:13:31
  geared
• 1:13:31
  to
• 1:13:31
  stripers,
• 1:13:32
  but
• 1:13:32
  it
• 1:13:32
  works
• 1:13:32
  for
• 1:13:33
  bass
• 1:13:33
  as
• 1:13:33
  well.
• 1:13:33
  And
• 1:13:34
  you
• 1:13:34
  know,
• 1:13:34
  Dave
• 1:13:35
  Whitlock
• 1:13:36
  wrote
• 1:13:36
  the
• 1:13:37
  forward
• 1:13:37
  to
• 1:13:37
  that
• 1:13:37
  thing,
• 1:13:38
  so
• 1:13:38
  that,
• 1:13:39
  that's.
• 1:13:39
  That's
• 1:13:39
  the.
• 1:13:40
  The
• 1:13:40
  easiest,
• 1:13:40
  least
• 1:13:41
  expensive
• 1:13:41
  way
• 1:13:42
  to
• 1:13:42
  learn.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah,
• 1:13:43
  there
• 1:13:43
  you
• 1:13:44
  go.
• 1:13:44
  You'll
• 1:13:44
  help
• 1:13:45
  you
• 1:13:45
  with
• 1:13:45
  your
• 1:13:45
  skyhorse
• 1:13:46
  royalties,
• 1:13:46
  right?
• 1:13:47
  Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  I'm
• 1:13:48
  trying
• 1:13:48
  to
• 1:13:49
  sell
• 1:13:49
  you.
• 1:13:50
  Five
• 1:13:50
  years
• 1:13:50
  later,
• 1:13:51
  I'm
• 1:13:51
  still
• 1:13:51
  in
• 1:13:51
  arrears
• 1:13:52
  of
• 1:13:52
  $800,
• 1:13:53
  you
• 1:13:54
  know,
• 1:13:55
  so
• 1:13:55
  I
• 1:13:56
  will.
• 1:13:56
  Drop
• 1:13:56
  all
• 1:13:56
  that
• 1:13:56
  stuff
• 1:13:57
  in
• 1:13:57
  the
• 1:13:57
  show
• 1:13:57
  notes.
• 1:13:57
  And
• 1:13:58
  guys,
• 1:13:58
  I
• 1:13:58
  really
• 1:13:58
  appreciate
• 1:13:59
  you
• 1:13:59
  spending
• 1:13:59
  the
• 1:13:59
  time
• 1:14:00
  with
• 1:14:00
  me,
• 1:14:00
  but
• 1:14:00
  also,
• 1:14:01
  you
• 1:14:01
  know,
• 1:14:01
  sharing
• 1:14:02
  your
• 1:14:02
  memories
• 1:14:02
  about
• 1:14:02
  a
• 1:14:02
  very,
• 1:14:03
  very
• 1:14:03
  special
• 1:14:03
  person
• 1:14:03
  in
• 1:14:04
  the
• 1:14:04
  sport.
• 1:14:05
  Well,
• 1:14:05
  thanks
• 1:14:06
  for
• 1:14:06
  having
• 1:14:06
  us,
• 1:14:06
  Marvin.
• 1:14:07
  Appreciate
• 1:14:07
  it.
• 1:14:08
  Alan,
• 1:14:08
  it's
• 1:14:08
  always
• 1:14:09
  good
• 1:14:09
  seeing
• 1:14:09
  you.
• 1:14:10
  You
• 1:14:10
  too,
• 1:14:10
  my
• 1:14:10
  friend.
• 1:14:11
  Take
• 1:14:12
  care,
• 1:14:12
  fellas.
• 1:14:13
  Thank
• 1:14:13
  you.
• 1:14:13
  Bye.
• 1:14:13
  Bye.
• 1:14:14
  Well,
• 1:14:15
  folks,
• 1:14:15
  we
• 1:14:15
  hope
• 1:14:16
  you
• 1:14:16
  enjoyed
• 1:14:16
  the
• 1:14:16
  interview
• 1:14:17
  as
• 1:14:17
  much
• 1:14:17
  as
• 1:14:17
  we
• 1:14:17
  enjoyed
• 1:14:17
  bringing
• 1:14:18
  it
• 1:14:18
  to
• 1:14:18
  you.
• 1:14:18
  Don't
• 1:14:19
  forget
• 1:14:19
  to
• 1:14:19
  check
• 1:14:19
  out
• 1:14:19
  the
• 1:14:20
  links
• 1:14:20
  to
• 1:14:20
  all
• 1:14:20
  of
• 1:14:20
  this
• 1:14:20
  episode's
• 1:14:21
  sponsors
• 1:14:21
  in
• 1:14:22
  the
• 1:14:22
  show
• 1:14:22
  notes.
• 1:14:23
  Tight
• 1:14:23
  lines,
• 1:14:24
  everybody.