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Speaker 1: The Large Nerdrun Collider Podcast is a production of I
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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey everybody, welcome to the Large nerdron Collider Podcast,
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Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
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Speaker 1: the world around us and how very excited we are
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Speaker 1: about them. I'm Ariel casting, and with me as always
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Speaker 1: is old Timey, not old timer Jonathan Strickland. Hi, Harry,
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Speaker 1: I'm here for this here bird kiss. That's that's my
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Speaker 1: old timey voice. I guess Hi, Ariel, brilliant, Thank you.
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Speaker 1: I got a question for you. Why is your go
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Speaker 1: to carnival slash fairs, ash amusement park snack food? You're
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Speaker 1: at a you're at a fair or a carnival or
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Speaker 1: an amusement park. What's the sort of thing you you
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Speaker 1: gravitate towards when you start getting a hankering for a snack.
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Speaker 1: I can't eat the thing that I normally have a
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Speaker 1: hankering for, which is French fries dipped and ketchup and mayonnaise.
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Speaker 1: That's a double wamy no no for me. The tomatoes
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Speaker 1: and the potatoes are both bad for you. The tomatoes
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Speaker 1: or the potatoes. UM, I would say, if you're going
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Speaker 1: traditional carnival food a corn dog and a funnel cake,
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Speaker 1: you know, like the funnel cake is your side because
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Speaker 1: you can'ty fries, so so fried dough and a hot
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Speaker 1: dog in fried dough. It's hard because there are lots
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Speaker 1: of carnival foods that do contain things that I can't eat. Sure,
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Speaker 1: and also I'm not very picky about which carnival foods
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Speaker 1: I like. You know, so you put it in front
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Speaker 1: of me, I'll probably eat it, especially if it's fried
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Speaker 1: or includes ice cream. Um, what about you, Jonathan? I
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Speaker 1: think my go to typically is um uh, one of
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Speaker 1: the big pretzels with mustard. I like a big salty
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Speaker 1: pretzel with mustard. Um. Yeah. I jin generally stay away
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Speaker 1: from the sweet stuff at carnivals and amusement parks, largely
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Speaker 1: because I do like rides. But I find that if
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Speaker 1: I eat a lot of sweet stuff before I go
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Speaker 1: on rides, I might not have that sweet stuff in
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Speaker 1: my system for very long. So um, I go for.
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Speaker 1: I go for like the salty rather usually, And yeah,
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Speaker 1: the pretzels are kind of a go to. I will
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Speaker 1: say that if I'm ever at Disneyland, one thing that
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Speaker 1: I always want to grab before I leave is a
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Speaker 1: turo oh for me. If it's Disneyland, it's a doll whip,
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Speaker 1: a pineapple doll limp. I'll see I can get those
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Speaker 1: at disney World anytime. Sorry, sorry Disney World. I've never
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Speaker 1: been to Disneyland. Disney Listening aerial Disney World. Disney World
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Speaker 1: is also I'm also big on dull whips. My wife
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Speaker 1: and I will we pretty much will have at least
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Speaker 1: a dull whip a day if we're there, including like
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Speaker 1: I like the doll floats like I like it in
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Speaker 1: the Pineapple juice. So that's that's that's one of my favorites.
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Speaker 1: It used to be that I'd always get a Gara
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Speaker 1: Deli Uh Sunday with dark chocolate fudge when I went
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Speaker 1: to Disney World from um Pleasure Island slash Paradise Springs
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Speaker 1: slash whatever it's called, Disney Springs, Disney Springs. Yeah, Well,
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Speaker 1: we do want to have a big group trip some
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Speaker 1: point where I do. I want to have a big
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Speaker 1: group trip down there at some point, and I want
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Speaker 1: to finally order the kitchen and sink from Beaches and Cream.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've had the kitchen sink. I
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Speaker 1: have stayed at the Beech and Yacht Club Resort Um
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Speaker 1: and gotten a really massive Sunday from there, but it
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Speaker 1: may not have been the kitchen. The Kitchen Sink literally
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Speaker 1: has every ingredient in the store as part of it,
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Speaker 1: and it comes in a kitchen sink bowl you see,
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Speaker 1: just as good with flavors. But I have a feeling
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Speaker 1: that that might get really close to like when you
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Speaker 1: make a like when you go to the roller rink
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Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you take all the soda
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Speaker 1: drink flavors suicide the suicide, which is a horrible name,
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Speaker 1: but well, I mean, I have good news for your
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Speaker 1: arial because they have a chocolate lover's version of the
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Speaker 1: Kitchen Sink where it's just all the chocolate flavors. That
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Speaker 1: sounds amazing. That's the one I would go for, and
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Speaker 1: I probably would take like three bites and say, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I don't need any more of this, and I've just
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Speaker 1: spent forty bucks on some ice cream. Yeah, it's um.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you asked this question because I just
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Speaker 1: found out the other day there is a carnival themed
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Speaker 1: little Uh storefront that has opened next to my local
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Speaker 1: grocery store that sells funnel cakes and hot dogs and
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Speaker 1: ice cream and slushies and things. Wow. Yeah, so you
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Speaker 1: can't get any of the rides are the terrible games
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Speaker 1: that are all rigged against you, But you sure can't
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Speaker 1: get that greasy food. M boy hottie. Yeah. Well, you
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Speaker 1: know what, sometimes I'm gonna have to ask you your
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Speaker 1: favorite Southern snack because there's gonna be there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a boiled peanuts discussion here one way or another. Boiled
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Speaker 1: peanuts are one of the few Southern snacks I really like.
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Speaker 1: Um that We'll get into Southern food on another day,
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Speaker 1: because it's not that I hate Southern food, but I'm
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Speaker 1: very particular because I'm I'm a Northern girl. Uh So,
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Speaker 1: speaking of particular, our first news item, thank you, our
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Speaker 1: first news item. You've got to have a particular affinity
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Speaker 1: to animation too, I think really enjoyed. There's a show
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Speaker 1: coming out on March one on Netflix called Guardians of Justice,
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Speaker 1: and much like Chippendale Rescue Rangers the new movie. When
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Speaker 1: I watched this trailer, I was not sure what was
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Speaker 1: going on. It's every kind of animation you could put
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Speaker 1: together with some love action for some sort of superheroes,
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Speaker 1: Space story, Jonathan, you said, you might know a little
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Speaker 1: bit more about this. Yeah, So it's definitely a mixed
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Speaker 1: media kind of thing. And it comes from the filmmaker
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Speaker 1: Audi Shankar, who was very very successful early in his career,
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Speaker 1: but turns out he was dealing with clinical depression and
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Speaker 1: he was under the impression that being successful would kind
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Speaker 1: of bring him out of it. And it turns out
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Speaker 1: that success and your you know, mental health don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: correlate one to one, and so, uh, he started getting
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Speaker 1: treatment for his depression, he said. Once he got that,
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Speaker 1: then he started getting this idea for this satire. So
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Speaker 1: it is a satire on superheroes. Looks like it's going
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Speaker 1: to be very dark, Like I don't think it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be the kind of satire where you're laughing out loud
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Speaker 1: and rolling on the floor, but rather it's using the
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Speaker 1: superhero uh milieu to deal with stuff that he was
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Speaker 1: dealing with. And he also ended up casting people he
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Speaker 1: knows like that he's friends with into the project. For example,
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Speaker 1: one of the two leads is played by former w
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Speaker 1: c W and w w E wrestler Diamond Dallas Page,
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Speaker 1: who plays He plays one of the superheroes, one of
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Speaker 1: the two main superheroes, and DDP, for those who don't know,
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Speaker 1: is not just famous for being a wrestler. He's also
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Speaker 1: really well known here in Atlanta as running a yoga
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Speaker 1: studio where he's turned people's lives around. In particular other
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Speaker 1: like wrestlers, he's helped them deal with things like addiction
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Speaker 1: to substances is a depression. And so I get a
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Speaker 1: feeling like this is it's almost like a type of
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Speaker 1: therapy for Audi Shankar, and that we're going to see
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Speaker 1: maybe not even something that could easily be described as
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Speaker 1: a linear story, but more like bits that kind of
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Speaker 1: explore different elements of his psyche in the form of
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Speaker 1: this multimedia superhero presentation. That's the best I can do
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Speaker 1: to describe it. You have to kind of watch the
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Speaker 1: teaser to even get a hint of what we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the animation styles range from claymation to classic
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Speaker 1: two D hand drawn animation to eight bit video game animation.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it runs the entire gamut to live action,
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Speaker 1: and I knowing that it deals with different aspects of
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Speaker 1: his psyche makes it much more interesting. When I first
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Speaker 1: watched the trailer, I actually thought it might be a
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Speaker 1: Monty Python project because it had some similar Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: and I was getting a little bit of a Captive
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Speaker 1: or a Invincible vibe from it, right, Like Invincible is
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Speaker 1: also a series that is kind of a satire on superheroes.
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Speaker 1: So it's so good and so violent. It's it is.
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Speaker 1: It is good, it's violent. It does kind of explore,
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Speaker 1: like it goes a little deeper than your average superhero
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Speaker 1: stories do. It would be like I would group that
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Speaker 1: in with things like Watchmen, you know, they on more series,
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Speaker 1: where again it's kind of deconstructing superheroes. I don't know
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Speaker 1: how much deconstruction this the Guardians of Justice will do,
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Speaker 1: but um, I feel like it is definitely going to
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Speaker 1: be unusual. My I don't know if it's going to
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Speaker 1: be the unusual kind of thing that sticks with people
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Speaker 1: or if it's going to be like through a scanner darkly.
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Speaker 1: When those trailers came out, everyone's like, oh, this is
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Speaker 1: really interesting, and I don't think I've ever heard anyone
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Speaker 1: talk about it since Yeah. Yeah, I guess we'll have
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Speaker 1: to see real quick side note, Jonathan, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I told you this or if you know because
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Speaker 1: you talked about d DP having a yoga studio in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Did you know that one of the stunt women from
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Speaker 1: Buffy has a coffee shop in Atlanta. I did not
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Speaker 1: know that Ground and Pound coffee. That's a great name
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Speaker 1: for a coffee shop by a former stunt performer. It is, uh,
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Speaker 1: speaking of stunts. Uh, the NBA pulled a stunt recently. Yep,
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Speaker 1: that's a that's fantastic. My head is off to you,
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Speaker 1: thank you. I'm mugging into the camera that only Jonathan
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Speaker 1: can see. Yeah. So, uh, the Batman released a trailer
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Speaker 1: for NBA audiences and they did a very viral marketing
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Speaker 1: thing where they started off the trailer like it was
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Speaker 1: just their normal going into commercial, and then the kiosks
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Speaker 1: on the front of the building that the game was
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Speaker 1: being held in, uh turned into like the Riddler sort
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Speaker 1: of messaging, and then you could see Batman in the
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Speaker 1: bat signal above the building. And then it went into
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Speaker 1: the trailer, which, honestly, and that trailer made me the
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Speaker 1: most interested into the Batman thus far. Yeah, you got
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Speaker 1: to see a little bit more than just sort of
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Speaker 1: the seven kind of feel we've been getting from the
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Speaker 1: Riddler centric trailers, and uh, I thought it was neat.
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Speaker 1: I thought the I thought the lead into the trailer
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Speaker 1: was very cringe e for me personally, like the the
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Speaker 1: very obviously staged something strange is happening here is that
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Speaker 1: the Batman? And I'm like, oh, I wonder how much
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Speaker 1: money they had to give that announcer for him to
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Speaker 1: do that. I mean, it felt very much like being
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Speaker 1: at a Disney show. So I'll forgive it. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: just like, but it's all about context, right, Like, how
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Speaker 1: do you know? How do you know this person who
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Speaker 1: is telling you this thing? And if it's like someone
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Speaker 1: that you know as a sports commentator suddenly leading into
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Speaker 1: being part of this commercial, it gets a little I
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Speaker 1: don't know, it's a little much for me. But the
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Speaker 1: trailer was a good one. And you also put on
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Speaker 1: our lineup here the fact that Jordan's Peel orchestrated a
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Speaker 1: mass natural disaster by killing a whole bunch of birds
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Speaker 1: to promote Nope, he didn't create it, I believe he.
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Speaker 1: I like, I had to look this up. I thought
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Speaker 1: that maybe it was another piece of viral marketing where
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Speaker 1: he said, hey, this natural disaster happened. Nope, is coming
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Speaker 1: Um We've talked about how how movies tend to do
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Speaker 1: that and how sometimes that's some of the best marketing
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Speaker 1: you can get. But it turns out this was an actual,
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Speaker 1: like bizarre natural phenomenon that happened, uh, where a flock
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Speaker 1: of birds all dove to the ground and not of
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Speaker 1: them made it out. And I'm not going to go
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Speaker 1: into it deeper than that, because it is a little sad,
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Speaker 1: especially if you're an animal lover. But then he posted
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Speaker 1: that video with like a hashtag and little blurb about
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Speaker 1: his movie is coming, and I don't know. That's on
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Speaker 1: the one hand, it's clever and and kind of serendipitous timing,
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Speaker 1: but on the other hand, like, I don't know that
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Speaker 1: I want to watch something real that's mildly upsetting in
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Speaker 1: preparation for a pretend movie. Yeah, it would be like
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Speaker 1: if you know, let's say that The Batman has uh,
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Speaker 1: like it's the next Batman film, has Batman going up
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Speaker 1: against domestic terrorists, and then a month before the movie
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Speaker 1: comes out, Uh, there's a domestic terrorist incident in the
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Speaker 1: United States. Maybe it's not super serious, but it happens,
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Speaker 1: And then the next trailers for The Batman incorporate elements
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Speaker 1: of that into them. It would be like, that's not cool.
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Speaker 1: That's taking marketing in a direction I am not comfortable
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Speaker 1: in this one. Obviously not nearly as extreme as the
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Speaker 1: example I just gave. You could argue it's more borderline. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, And of course he's feel is free to
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Speaker 1: to promote his film however he likes. But yeah, this
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Speaker 1: one kind of hit a sour note for me. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see if anything else ties in.
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Speaker 1: But I don't think that he orchestrated an event that
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Speaker 1: made it onto CNN unless CNN is really playing the
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Speaker 1: long game with him. Um. We have one other story
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Speaker 1: that we're going to touch on really quick that kind
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Speaker 1: of leads into our discussion today, and that's what we
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Speaker 1: got a trailer for the Showtime show The Man Who
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Speaker 1: Fell to Earth And uh, the original there was originally
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Speaker 1: a book in the sixties and then a movie in
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Speaker 1: the seventies that start David Bowie, and now there's this
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Speaker 1: television show about it about an alien who comes to
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Speaker 1: Earth because his planet is dying and he's trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to get water back to the planet.
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Speaker 1: Like that the original story, Um, and Jonathan was super
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Speaker 1: smart and noticed that this story is a continuation it
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Speaker 1: seems of the first David Bowie movie. Yeah. I didn't
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Speaker 1: know that at first, Like I thought this was going
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Speaker 1: to be a retelling of that story. But no, Bill
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Speaker 1: ni is in the film and he's playing the character
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Speaker 1: that David Bowie played in the nineties era movie, which
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Speaker 1: raises a lot of interesting questions, one of which is
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Speaker 1: when did the aliens start aging? Because in the original
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Speaker 1: movie that's one of the plot points is that he
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Speaker 1: doesn't appear to age. Um and Bill NII does not
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Speaker 1: look like David Bowie. But uh, yeah, it's it's interesting
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Speaker 1: that it seems to be a continuation of it. Um.
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Speaker 1: I I think the trailer looks compelling. Uh, it's definitely not.
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Speaker 1: This is not like a a raw liking space adventure
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Speaker 1: style science fiction. This is more of a using science
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Speaker 1: fiction and to explore things about us as human beings
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Speaker 1: and things that we think are important or things we
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Speaker 1: might ignore to our own peril, and so on and
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Speaker 1: so forth. Yeah. I mean a lot of science fiction
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Speaker 1: novels and I guess movies and television, but more so
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Speaker 1: when you actually read books, um, do focus on that
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Speaker 1: especially as you go back in time to earlier and
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Speaker 1: earlier science fiction novels. Um So, I think it's interesting.
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Speaker 1: It looks absolutely wonderful to me. I don't currently subscribe
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Speaker 1: to Showtime, but I may just have to again. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's definitely. I think it's something that's definitely worth checking out.
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Speaker 1: And I mean the star power in the series is phenomenal.
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Speaker 1: It's you know, if you're going to make a science
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Speaker 1: fiction series, it's good to have stars in it. It's
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Speaker 1: got Kate mulgrew in it, which if you don't know,
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Speaker 1: she was Captain Jane Way. And Voyager's got Bill Nigh
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Speaker 1: in it. He was in Shaun of the Dead. Um.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's got four who is is in Doctor
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Speaker 1: Strange and absolutely brilliant, a brilliant actor. So so we'll
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Speaker 1: definitely have to keep our eyes on that. And when
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Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to have a discussion about
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Speaker 1: some older films that we feel either our geeking themselves
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Speaker 1: or are very important to the geko sphere. And that
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Speaker 1: will come right after these messages. All right, before we
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Speaker 1: get started, we before we even started making up our lists,
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Speaker 1: Ariel and I had off the air discussion to kind
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Speaker 1: of kind of like define things because originally the idea
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Speaker 1: was just classic geegee films, But then you have to
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Speaker 1: define what is classic, like are you talking about specific era?
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Speaker 1: Are you talking about a level of quality? Which is subjective?
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Speaker 1: And we decided that, um, anything before nine we're calling
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Speaker 1: the classic erab because Ariel and I are of a
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Speaker 1: certain age and we don't want to think about the
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Speaker 1: eighties as being classic yet. Yeah. I mean, now, like,
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Speaker 1: there are some films in the seventies that could maybe
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Speaker 1: eake in if you're thinking Star Wars or Star Trek
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Speaker 1: or Monty Python and the Holy Grail. But even that's
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Speaker 1: kind of pushing it. All of mine are earlier than that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: most most of mine are. Um, I think I've just
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Speaker 1: named all of them that weren't. Well, maybe Young Frankenstein.
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Speaker 1: I think Young Frankenstein was. Yeah. But it is interesting
18:42
Speaker 1: because there are lots of movies that we think of
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Speaker 1: as geeky and and special, and so many of them
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Speaker 1: get remade. There are lots of movies that either helped
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Speaker 1: develop our current loves and genres or we're for runners
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Speaker 1: in it, that kind of get forgotten. I've and I
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Speaker 1: hate that, and I feel the same way about like
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Speaker 1: children's books. But then it also gets hard because the
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Speaker 1: further back you go into movies, the less they line
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Speaker 1: up with our current social sensibilities. Yes, yes, that's a
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Speaker 1: that's a kind way of saying that sometimes old movies
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Speaker 1: can be really sexist and racist and homophobic. Yes, that
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Speaker 1: is true. That is true. Um, and and some of
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Speaker 1: them I can forgive. So, Like I always talk about
19:28
Speaker 1: how I love The Court Jester, which is an old musical.
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Speaker 1: It's Robin Hood. So to me, that's geeky, it's you know,
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Speaker 1: medievally fantasy. Um. And I mean there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: like traditional gender roles, I guess, I would say, but
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Speaker 1: in relation to the medieval period and so um, stuff
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Speaker 1: like that I can kind of overlook sometimes. Um, but
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Speaker 1: that's Court Jester is. Yeah, it's a musical about Robin
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Speaker 1: Hood stealing a baby with a birthmark on its booty. Um,
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Speaker 1: and the princess falling in love with him, and him
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Speaker 1: causing a mess in court, trying to pretend to be
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Speaker 1: someone he's not. It's hilarious. Um. But you know it's
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Speaker 1: set place, set place, and it's set place in medieval time. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go with that. So you know it there,
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Speaker 1: So their social system is not super progressive in that movie. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: well it wasn't. It wasn't the time it was made
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Speaker 1: and was not a progressive time, and the time it
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Speaker 1: was about was even less. So um yeah. Well, Like like,
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Speaker 1: I've got a whole list of different movies that I
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Speaker 1: put down, and a lot of these are ones again
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Speaker 1: that I think of as being foundational for a geek culture,
20:44
Speaker 1: not necessarily, like I don't know if I would call
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Speaker 1: it a geeky movie. For example, Metropolis a Night, Like
20:53
Speaker 1: we're talking about a black and white silent film, a
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Speaker 1: German expressionist film. Metropolis one of the earliest spectacle films
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Speaker 1: that was ever made. There is science fiction elements throughout it,
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Speaker 1: but it's really more of a story about kind of classism,
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Speaker 1: you know, high high high, the haves and the have nots,
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Speaker 1: really is what it boils down to. A lot of
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Speaker 1: sci five focuses on that, Yeah, and a lot of
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Speaker 1: the imagery from the Tropolis kind of you can see
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Speaker 1: reflected in other science fiction throughout the history of films
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Speaker 1: really and television. So I think of that as being
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Speaker 1: one of those kind of cornerstones of geek culture now
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Speaker 1: not all of my films that I chose are in there.
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Speaker 1: There's some others like The Cabinet of Dr Calgary and
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Speaker 1: nos Ferat are also in that list. Those are also
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Speaker 1: silent films, also instrumental in the way we view like
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Speaker 1: monster movies and the Mad Scientists character, as well as
21:56
Speaker 1: establishing certain film language that kind of conveys like dread
22:02
Speaker 1: and terror and that kind of thing. Um. But then
22:06
Speaker 1: I've got other ones like for goofy, I've got The
22:09
Speaker 1: Little Shop of Horrors, not the musical, but the original
22:12
Speaker 1: Roger Corman film that is that which is very very different. Um,
22:18
Speaker 1: the basic story is the same. That as much fun,
22:22
Speaker 1: It's not as much fun, Jonathan. I mean, you've got
22:24
Speaker 1: you've got Jack Nicholson playing the the the massochistic dental patient,
22:30
Speaker 1: the Bill Murray character from the musical version. That is true.
22:34
Speaker 1: I mean I like it. It's good. Yeah, it's interesting
22:37
Speaker 1: because when I was looking back through like a lot
22:39
Speaker 1: of the older movies that that I like, uh, the
22:42
Speaker 1: Incredible Shrinking Man, um, the Fly, which I think also
22:45
Speaker 1: is the seventies, So no the original original, but yeah,
22:51
Speaker 1: or any of the black and white monster movies or
22:53
Speaker 1: for a Bidden Planet, Forbidden Planet was one of my
22:55
Speaker 1: favorites growing up. Of course it is because your name
22:58
Speaker 1: is Ariel and Forbidden Planet is based off The Tempest. Yes,
23:05
Speaker 1: but I would not have been able to tell you
23:07
Speaker 1: that because I didn't realize that where I forgot it. Um,
23:11
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a dudent his daughter gets stranded
23:13
Speaker 1: on a planet and crazy things happen, and there's a
23:16
Speaker 1: robot and um scientists. I used to getting confused with
23:21
Speaker 1: Lost in Space. I could see why. But yeah, that's
23:25
Speaker 1: Forbidden Planet. It's not it's not in a direct adaptation
23:28
Speaker 1: of the Tempest, but it is clearly heavily inspired by
23:32
Speaker 1: Shakespeare's The tempest Um. And if you didn't get the
23:35
Speaker 1: joke I was making at arials expense earlier, there is
23:38
Speaker 1: a character named Ariel in The tempest Um. Yeah, but
23:42
Speaker 1: a lot of those movies, because I realized I'm on
23:43
Speaker 1: a long bunny trail. They are sci fi, but they're
23:45
Speaker 1: also kind of scary. Yeah. I put down Frankenstein, The
23:51
Speaker 1: Boris Karla Frankenstein, and then just beside that, I put
23:55
Speaker 1: in Birtheses and the Universal Monster. Movies like like those
23:59
Speaker 1: are also obviously they're foundational to the point where Universal
24:03
Speaker 1: continuously tries to reinvent a dark universe like mythology that
24:09
Speaker 1: connects all those movies together so they can continue to
24:12
Speaker 1: make like a Marvel Cinemaic universe type thing, but with
24:16
Speaker 1: Universal monsters instead of superheroes. It has not worked out
24:19
Speaker 1: for them, but those original movies are still really worth
24:23
Speaker 1: the seeing. And I will echo what countless other people
24:27
Speaker 1: have said, Frankenstein is good, Bright of Frankenstein even better.
24:32
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree um along those lines. I also
24:37
Speaker 1: like the time Machine h G. Wells. H G. Wells.
24:42
Speaker 1: The original movie used to it was sci fi youth
24:46
Speaker 1: time Machine and fifty leagues under the Sea. Well used
24:49
Speaker 1: to scare the snot out of well Well, but it's
24:54
Speaker 1: most leagues under the sea, but leagues and of the sea.
25:00
Speaker 1: I was so scared I added a whole bunch of
25:02
Speaker 1: extra lead where you went you went too deep, You're
25:05
Speaker 1: in too deep aial one of the ones I listed
25:09
Speaker 1: neither Living Dead very important film in the horror genre
25:15
Speaker 1: and in drama. I mean, like think of how they're
25:19
Speaker 1: countless movies and TV series where the George Romero style
25:24
Speaker 1: zombies are your go to threat, and whether it's Walking
25:29
Speaker 1: Dead or Shaun of the Dead, which has direct references
25:33
Speaker 1: to the Neither Living Dead. Like, what my favorite line
25:35
Speaker 1: in that movie is They're coming to get you, Barbara,
25:38
Speaker 1: which is in the very beginning of the movie. And
25:40
Speaker 1: then in Shaun of the Dead you have a bit
25:42
Speaker 1: where they're calling Sean's mom and they say, Barbara, We're
25:46
Speaker 1: coming to get you, and I'm just like, oh cute.
25:48
Speaker 1: It's a direct reference to the to the to the
25:52
Speaker 1: the film. And that's also fun fact in the public
25:56
Speaker 1: domain because famously the story is very famous now that
26:00
Speaker 1: the the when they were making the film and when
26:02
Speaker 1: they were filing it, they failed to file for a copyright,
26:06
Speaker 1: so the film was never copyrighted, which means anyone can
26:11
Speaker 1: make any as many copies of Nither Living Dad to
26:13
Speaker 1: distributed however they like, with no penalty. I heard that
26:18
Speaker 1: Steamboat Willie might be close to getting into the public domain.
26:21
Speaker 1: That Steamboat Willie, I believe is this year. I think
26:23
Speaker 1: that version of Mickey is in public domain this year.
26:28
Speaker 1: Uh the That's an interesting case because every Mickey Mouse
26:34
Speaker 1: cartoon is under its own copyright, so it's kind of
26:37
Speaker 1: a rolling public domain. So Steamboat Willie version of Mickey
26:41
Speaker 1: is public domain, but that doesn't mean modern Mickey is. Yeah.
26:46
Speaker 1: So when I was looking into this, because again I
26:48
Speaker 1: I there were so many movies that I loved growing
26:51
Speaker 1: up that I'm like, I want people to look at
26:53
Speaker 1: these and remember these because they were before my time
26:55
Speaker 1: and I enjoyed them, and I don't want that knowledge
26:58
Speaker 1: or that art to get lost. Um. But I was like,
27:01
Speaker 1: I wonder what like the first sci fi movie made was,
27:05
Speaker 1: and and what one of the earliest like superhero movies
27:08
Speaker 1: was not not necessarily like King Arthur or or Robin
27:13
Speaker 1: Hood but or something more like that. And um, as
27:16
Speaker 1: far as sci fi, it's Tripped to the Moon La
27:20
Speaker 1: Voyage don Leloon. Yeah. So if you've ever seen like
27:24
Speaker 1: the picture of the man in the moon with like
27:26
Speaker 1: a spaceship sticking out of his eye, yeah, that's that's that,
27:32
Speaker 1: which is is pretty much that they went to the
27:34
Speaker 1: moon and they found things. Um. But as far as
27:37
Speaker 1: superhero it's a great submarine, thank you. Uh. Some of
27:42
Speaker 1: the first superhero movies were Zoro, Flash Gordon, and Buck Rogers.
27:47
Speaker 1: And yeah, Zoro is an awesome superhero who is still
27:51
Speaker 1: relevant today. So I mean he's a hero, well antihero, no,
27:55
Speaker 1: he's a he's a hero. I was just I don't
27:57
Speaker 1: know that he's a superhero because he doesn't have supers.
28:02
Speaker 1: He's I you know, look, if Hawkeye can have a
28:06
Speaker 1: dude whose superpower is the Swordsman Zero can be a superhero,
28:12
Speaker 1: but Batman is a superhero. Batman doesn't have superpowers. Batman's vigilante. Okay, okay,
28:20
Speaker 1: I'll behave But I mean it's one of those things that,
28:24
Speaker 1: like a lot of superheroes were based, you know, based
28:27
Speaker 1: off of similar tropes. Well, and you had these these
28:31
Speaker 1: sort of pulp films that would come out where they
28:33
Speaker 1: were shorter, they weren't like, they were done in chapters typically, uh,
28:37
Speaker 1: and they were usually paired with other stuff. You would
28:40
Speaker 1: go to a movie theater and you would watch a
28:42
Speaker 1: reel of different things, and some of them would include
28:46
Speaker 1: chapters of these stories and that's you know, some of
28:49
Speaker 1: these would also end up being radio shows and later
28:53
Speaker 1: on television series, and again they really did kind of
28:57
Speaker 1: create the the found ation for mainstream pulp entertainment, which
29:05
Speaker 1: you could argue as like the great grandfather to current
29:08
Speaker 1: geek culture. Yeah, there there's one more movie I want
29:13
Speaker 1: to mention um and it's a little more recent. It's
29:17
Speaker 1: based off a book. Again, it's a nineteen it's a
29:19
Speaker 1: movie from nineteen seventy, and the animation is not great,
29:24
Speaker 1: but it's the Phantom Told Booth. I'm in the duldrums now. Yes,
29:29
Speaker 1: the Phantom Told Booth story is all about math and
29:32
Speaker 1: language and a fantastical advantage venture in a land that
29:35
Speaker 1: is based all upon that. Um and they made a
29:39
Speaker 1: movie about it, and it's some of my favorite sort
29:42
Speaker 1: of child fantasy, child focused fantasy that's been made, and
29:48
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff has been built off of it,
29:50
Speaker 1: like a series of unfortunate events. I would say is
29:54
Speaker 1: very inspired by Phantom Toldbooth because they play with language
29:58
Speaker 1: and knowledge of communication the same sort of way. But
30:02
Speaker 1: so few people know about Phantom Told Booth anymore well,
30:04
Speaker 1: and I feel like that that Phantom Toldbooth owed a
30:06
Speaker 1: lot to like Alice in Wonderland and through the Looking
30:09
Speaker 1: Glass because Lewis Carroll also had a lot of fun
30:11
Speaker 1: with language. I mean, the whole Humpty Dumpty chapter is
30:15
Speaker 1: just a being playful with language and being snarky about it. Um.
30:20
Speaker 1: I got a few others. I just want to give
30:22
Speaker 1: shout outs to some of which are like like a
30:25
Speaker 1: little Shop of Hers is not a good movie. It
30:28
Speaker 1: is an entertaining movie. But I mean, that's also supposedly
30:32
Speaker 1: was a movie that was made after Roger Corman made
30:34
Speaker 1: a bet with someone that he could make a movie
30:36
Speaker 1: on like four hundred dollars in two days, and that's
30:40
Speaker 1: that was the result. That's the that's a version of
30:44
Speaker 1: the rumor. I don't know what the actual rumor is
30:46
Speaker 1: at this point. I'm just going off memory. But how
30:49
Speaker 1: about how about the most uh, what's often referred to
30:52
Speaker 1: as the worst movie ever made, Plan nine from Outer Space.
30:55
Speaker 1: The Room is worse. I would argue that the room
30:58
Speaker 1: is also well, I don't know if I would argue
31:00
Speaker 1: that is a geek movie. Yeah, I don't know that
31:03
Speaker 1: I would call the room worse either. Plan nine from
31:06
Speaker 1: Matter Space is really bad. I would say that. I said,
31:09
Speaker 1: they're both really bad in different ways. Is it worse
31:11
Speaker 1: than Manhos Hands of Fate? Okay? See, these are all
31:14
Speaker 1: like different movies that are bad in different ways. Like
31:17
Speaker 1: Manos has some real bad problematic stuff in it, like
31:23
Speaker 1: like really bad, and so does the Room. Plan nine
31:26
Speaker 1: is just dumb um then like the Tingler William Castle's
31:32
Speaker 1: The Tingler, which was I would say the whole William
31:35
Speaker 1: Castle's whole thing was that he made very gimmicky types
31:39
Speaker 1: of movies, including gimmicks in the theater itself, to try
31:43
Speaker 1: and enhance the movie experience. But that I would say
31:46
Speaker 1: would feed into things like, you know, there's some movie
31:49
Speaker 1: theaters that have seats that are on like motors, and
31:52
Speaker 1: they'll blow smoke in your face and water in your
31:54
Speaker 1: face and all that kind of stuff. All that, I
31:56
Speaker 1: would argue dates back to the William Castle days. Uh.
32:00
Speaker 1: Invasion of the Body Snatcher is very important science fiction
32:02
Speaker 1: film that I think needs to be mentioned. Wizard of Oz.
32:05
Speaker 1: I don't think you can talk about, you know, the
32:09
Speaker 1: geek culture without mentioning Wizard of Oz or Psycho. It's
32:13
Speaker 1: weird to pair those two together, but I think of
32:15
Speaker 1: those as both being fundamentally important in certain aspects of
32:19
Speaker 1: geek culture. I agree. Um. One of one of the
32:24
Speaker 1: movies that nobody remembers but me that is a fun,
32:27
Speaker 1: old old sci fi, also problematic but still fun, is
32:31
Speaker 1: Queen of Outer Space. Um. It's about Amazon women who
32:35
Speaker 1: live on the moon. Ja Ja gaboris o leader and
32:37
Speaker 1: she's got a horribly scarred face. She wears a mask,
32:40
Speaker 1: obviously an inspiration for the actual gonzo comedy sci fi
32:45
Speaker 1: film Amazon Women on the Moon, Yes, which really isn't
32:48
Speaker 1: a sci fi film. It's more of a sketch film. Yeah,
32:53
Speaker 1: well it's not even It's like, it's like, what if
32:56
Speaker 1: you had a whole bunch of different ideas for weird
33:00
Speaker 1: juvenile sketches and you wanted to link them together somehow.
33:04
Speaker 1: That's kind of what that movie is. Um, there is
33:08
Speaker 1: one other movie we should mention that I it would
33:10
Speaker 1: not be considered a geek movie. Yeah, but I think
33:15
Speaker 1: has a lot of a lot of ties into geek culture,
33:18
Speaker 1: and that's Harvey. Yes, and we will be talking about
33:22
Speaker 1: Harvey more when we come back. Okay, so before we
33:42
Speaker 1: get into this, this the mashup we're doing today comes
33:46
Speaker 1: courtesy of our friend Shay, who asked if we could
33:49
Speaker 1: do a mashup of Harvey and who framed Roger Rabbit. Uh.
33:54
Speaker 1: And she is a near and dear friend to us.
33:56
Speaker 1: We love you, Sha, and so here we're going to
33:59
Speaker 1: do that. But first let's talk about Harvey, which started
34:02
Speaker 1: off as a stage play but then was adapted into
34:05
Speaker 1: a film. Um, and Ariel, do you want to talk
34:09
Speaker 1: about Harvey at all? Or do you want me to
34:10
Speaker 1: take that one? Um, I can talk about Harvey. So
34:13
Speaker 1: Harvey is a story about Elwood P. Dowd who one
34:17
Speaker 1: day met a giant pouka giant rabbit who's invisible to
34:21
Speaker 1: everybody else. And he just loves taking Harvey to bars
34:26
Speaker 1: and listening to people's life stories and aspirations. And most
34:29
Speaker 1: of his friends accept him, but Ellwood P. Dowds sister
34:34
Speaker 1: and cousin, I think don't. And they tried to have him. Um,
34:41
Speaker 1: they tried to have him, uh, committed to a sanitarium
34:45
Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's all about him convincing people that
34:50
Speaker 1: Harvey exists. The entire movie plays with with the concept
34:53
Speaker 1: of his Harvey reel or a part of Elwood P.
34:57
Speaker 1: Dowd's imagination. Is it dangerous? Is it? You know? Fine? Um?
35:02
Speaker 1: And And it's really interesting and there's lots of little
35:05
Speaker 1: stuff that just hints that Harvey is very real and
35:08
Speaker 1: it's a heartwarming story. It stars Jimmy Stewart and Uh, yeah,
35:12
Speaker 1: that's Harvey. You missed anything, It's no, No, I think
35:16
Speaker 1: I think you pretty much nailed it. It is sweet
35:18
Speaker 1: and like for most of it. The stage plays a
35:21
Speaker 1: little different, but for most of the movie it's kind
35:24
Speaker 1: of left up to the audience to decide is Harvey
35:27
Speaker 1: real or is Ellwood doubt crazy and or just imagining
35:33
Speaker 1: things due to his apparent alcoholism because he does drink
35:38
Speaker 1: a lot in that pretty much he's pretty much always
35:43
Speaker 1: on his way to get a drink or just coming
35:46
Speaker 1: back from getting a drink in that film. The other
35:49
Speaker 1: one we're putting in here is a Who Framed Roger Rabbit,
35:53
Speaker 1: which came out in It was a truly, uh transfer
36:00
Speaker 1: national movie at the time because it brought together entities
36:05
Speaker 1: that had never appeared together before, like Warner Brothers cartoons
36:10
Speaker 1: and Disney cartoons appearing in the same movie. It was unthinkable.
36:16
Speaker 1: Like if you you know, if you were a fan
36:19
Speaker 1: of Disney back then or heck Disney now, you wouldn't
36:22
Speaker 1: expect to see other cartoons. It would be like seeing
36:24
Speaker 1: mc scat cat in the background of Chippendale Rescue Rangers. Yeah, yeah,
36:31
Speaker 1: that's happening. They actually I love that. That also comes
36:34
Speaker 1: in the scene where they make a reference to Roger
36:36
Speaker 1: Rabbit doing the Roger Rabbit. Yeah, I mean, it's it's
36:40
Speaker 1: it's a modern day Roger Rabbit is what Chipendale is
36:43
Speaker 1: going to be? Yeah? So, so it's based off a
36:48
Speaker 1: a novel called Who Censored Roger Rabbit? But Who Friend?
36:52
Speaker 1: Roger Rabbit follows the story of Eddie Valiant, who is
36:56
Speaker 1: down on his luck, alcoholic private eye who gets pulled
37:00
Speaker 1: in to investigate uh what first appears to be a
37:05
Speaker 1: cheating scandal h between a movie producer and a cartoon character,
37:12
Speaker 1: and then quickly it evolves to being something much more sinister,
37:18
Speaker 1: and Eddie ends up inadvertently getting teamed up with Roger Rabbit,
37:22
Speaker 1: the the title character, who is a very animated in
37:29
Speaker 1: more than one sense rabbit with lots of goofy comedy
37:35
Speaker 1: to his name. And so we're mashing up this sweet
37:40
Speaker 1: sentimental film and this sort of Zaney detective noir story
37:48
Speaker 1: and who knows what's going to come out of the
37:50
Speaker 1: other side? All right, So I'm gonna start and for
37:56
Speaker 1: this this title has nothing to do with my story,
37:59
Speaker 1: but um, it's all he could come up with, which
38:01
Speaker 1: is who framed Harvey Rabbit? Sorry if that's the same
38:04
Speaker 1: as yours, No, you're good, okay. So Elwood P. Dowd
38:09
Speaker 1: was known as a man with the invisible rabbit friend Harvey.
38:12
Speaker 1: It had caused him issues in the past, but nowadays
38:14
Speaker 1: everyone believed and loved the big old Puka, and everyone
38:17
Speaker 1: was happy until one day when Harvey went missing. Now
38:21
Speaker 1: it's not that Harvey didn't sometimes go away for a while,
38:24
Speaker 1: it's that this time when Elwood p. Dowd woke up
38:27
Speaker 1: one morning, instead of Harvey, there was a new rabbit,
38:30
Speaker 1: a shorter, more animated, and much louder rabbit who introduced
38:35
Speaker 1: himself as Roger. At first, Ellwood doubted his own sanity,
38:38
Speaker 1: but Roger seemed really real, and Elwood's like, well, if
38:42
Speaker 1: I can believe in one Puka, or I can't believe
38:43
Speaker 1: in another giant rabbit. He asked Roger why he was there,
38:47
Speaker 1: and Roger said that he was on a bunny exchange program.
38:50
Speaker 1: Elwood said he wasn't interested in participating in the bunny
38:53
Speaker 1: exchange program and to please go home and send Harvey back.
38:56
Speaker 1: But Roger begged, please, Mr gimme a chance, please, so
39:02
Speaker 1: Ellwood did. Roger tried to be helpful around Mr. Dowd's house,
39:07
Speaker 1: but always attempts to help Elwood resulted in disaster and destruction,
39:11
Speaker 1: So Ellwood took Roger to the local bar bar, Charlie's,
39:14
Speaker 1: and began to introduce Roger to his friends and strangers there,
39:18
Speaker 1: expecting the usual larger than life rabbit to charm them
39:21
Speaker 1: by listening to their stories and dreams, and he was
39:24
Speaker 1: surprised that the patrons of Charlie's could see Roger, but
39:27
Speaker 1: instead of listening to the patrons stories, Roger began trying
39:30
Speaker 1: to make the patrons laugh, and his stand up routines
39:33
Speaker 1: were falling flat, so he resorted to slapstick on the patrons,
39:38
Speaker 1: also known as pranks, which didn't go very well, and
39:40
Speaker 1: Ellwood and Roger were both kicked out of Charlie's. Elwood,
39:44
Speaker 1: frustrated and missing Harvey, went to bed the next morning.
39:47
Speaker 1: When he awoke, Harvey was still not there. Roger still was,
39:51
Speaker 1: and so was a voluptuous cartoon woman who Roger introduced
39:55
Speaker 1: as his wife, Jessica. Sure that his sister Vetta would
39:58
Speaker 1: cry scandal if she found the woman in Elwood's bedroom,
40:01
Speaker 1: he quickly ushered them out of the house. But you see,
40:03
Speaker 1: they couldn't go to Charlie's because they had been kicked out,
40:05
Speaker 1: and Roger said that he knew just the place, so
40:07
Speaker 1: he took them to a club called the Income Paid Club.
40:10
Speaker 1: And at this InCom paid club there are tons of
40:14
Speaker 1: animated characters everywhere and like maybe two real people. Ellwood
40:19
Speaker 1: had had it. He must be losing his mind, so
40:21
Speaker 1: he decided to check himself into the sanitarium. One bunny,
40:25
Speaker 1: maybe a gal was believable, but he felt he was
40:27
Speaker 1: falling further and further into madness. Unfortunately, the animated characters
40:32
Speaker 1: followed him all the way to the sanitarium, and the
40:34
Speaker 1: sanitarium people able to see the cartoons wouldn't admit Elwood,
40:38
Speaker 1: and Elwood couldn't go home. Vetta and Myrtle May would
40:41
Speaker 1: not accept this kind of nonsense, and he couldn't shake
40:44
Speaker 1: the tunes. So he found a cheap motel and locked
40:46
Speaker 1: himself away. When he awoke in the morning, his motel
40:50
Speaker 1: room was filled with all of the animated tunes feed
40:53
Speaker 1: in his face, people hanging from ceilings making a ton
40:56
Speaker 1: of noise, and Goud had had it. He figured the
40:59
Speaker 1: only thing of to do was to leave town. He
41:01
Speaker 1: distracted the tunes with a banana peel on the floor
41:03
Speaker 1: and headed for the bus station. He was just about
41:06
Speaker 1: to board the bus and leave home forever. When he
41:08
Speaker 1: saw a familiar fuzzy face Harvey standing across the street
41:12
Speaker 1: waving at him, Dowd was so relieved. Harvey explained that
41:16
Speaker 1: he had had to go to Tunetown to help solve
41:18
Speaker 1: some problems there for his dear cousin Roger, but it
41:20
Speaker 1: caused a rift and sent all the tunes to Dowdstown too.
41:24
Speaker 1: Elwood was thrilled to see Harvey, and Harvey helps shoot
41:27
Speaker 1: all the tunes out of Dowd's motel, home and town
41:30
Speaker 1: and vowed never to leave doubt again. The end. No,
41:34
Speaker 1: I like your Roger Abbot impression, thank you, it was not.
41:41
Speaker 1: I can't like. I can't actually do it. I can't
41:44
Speaker 1: like the I tried. I tried for like an hour
41:47
Speaker 1: to do the Yeah, I can't do it either. It's
41:51
Speaker 1: that weird cheek thing. All right. Well, here's mine called
41:55
Speaker 1: Dowd in tune Town. Elwood p. Dowd has a problem.
42:00
Speaker 1: His old partner, Eddie Valiant, was killed by a tune
42:04
Speaker 1: dropped a piano on his head. Or at least that's
42:06
Speaker 1: what Ellwood tells everyone. See. Elwood is a private eye,
42:10
Speaker 1: but it's been ages since he's taken on a case. Well,
42:13
Speaker 1: he's taken on quite a few cases, actually cases of booze.
42:18
Speaker 1: Elwood lives on the edge of Tune Town, a part
42:20
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles populated entirely by cartoons. Except here's the thing,
42:26
Speaker 1: no one else sees them, No one, Nope, for everyone else,
42:30
Speaker 1: this is just a shabby part of Los Angeles with
42:33
Speaker 1: a few stores still trying to cash in on the
42:35
Speaker 1: glitz of Hollywood, peppered between bars and empty storefronts. It's
42:39
Speaker 1: a bad part of town. But to Elwood, it's Tuned Town,
42:43
Speaker 1: populated by cartoon characters of all sorts. There's Popeye, the
42:47
Speaker 1: Sailor Man. There's Mickey Mouse, there's Bugs Bunny, there's Chip
42:51
Speaker 1: and Dale. The Dale seems not quite right these days.
42:55
Speaker 1: There's all fly shirt cartoon characters mixing with text avery
42:59
Speaker 1: characters and more. Besides, there's cartoons from all different eras,
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Speaker 1: including future ones. My Little Ponies Can Turn next to Transformers,
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Speaker 1: Hannah Barbara cartoons tried to get into the finer establishments,
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Speaker 1: which regularly turned them away because they are bad cartoons.
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Speaker 1: It's a rich tapestry of cartoonish adventure, except only Ellwood
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Speaker 1: sees it. This doesn't bother Ellwood really. In fact, he
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Speaker 1: seems like a pretty jovial guy, kind hearted, generous, friendly.
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Speaker 1: He does get sad on occasion thinking back to his
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Speaker 1: old buddy Eddie, but he knows Eddie wouldn't what would
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Speaker 1: want him to to carry on. Of course, the outside
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Speaker 1: world views Elwood as more than a little odd. Some
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Speaker 1: folks think of him as simply being eccentric, always two
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Speaker 1: drinks in further than he should be. Others think he's
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Speaker 1: just downright crazy, but a harmless kind of crazy, and besides,
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Speaker 1: he's a nice fellow. One day, Ellwood stumbles into his
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Speaker 1: regular bar, his left arm hanging oddly from his shoulder,
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Speaker 1: and Mr Cracker, the bartender, says you all right there, Ellwood?
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Speaker 1: Oh sure I am. Mr Cracker says Ellwood. It's just
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Speaker 1: my exuberant friend here accidentally managed to cuff himself to me,
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Speaker 1: and I seem to have misplaced my keys, so I
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Speaker 1: suggest we retire here while I remember where I put them.
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Speaker 1: And Ellwood then holds up his left hand, and dangling
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Speaker 1: from his left hand is a pair of handcuffs, one
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Speaker 1: cuff cuffed around nothing. He lowers his hand quickly and says, oh,
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Speaker 1: sorry about that, Roger, Where where are my manners? Mr Cracker?
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Speaker 1: I'd like you to meet Roger Rabbit and Mr Cracker
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Speaker 1: gives a slightly puzzled, sad smile. He knows Ellwood well
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Speaker 1: enough by now, pleasure to meet you. Roger. Well, it'll
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Speaker 1: be Ellwood. I think Scotch would suit me just swell
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Speaker 1: Mr Cracker, how about you, Roger? Nothing, but come on,
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Speaker 1: it's not fair to leave a man drinking alone. While
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Speaker 1: Mr Cracker sets down a glass of Scotch and a
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Speaker 1: glass of water just till he makes up his mind,
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Speaker 1: he says, Ellwood. Well, thanks very much. Mr Cracker says
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Speaker 1: Ellwood well. Just then the bar door opens and a
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Speaker 1: very tall, very thin man dressed all in black walks in.
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Speaker 1: He wears a black hat, black sunglasses, almost like goggles
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Speaker 1: over his eyes. Your honor, what brings you in tonight?
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Speaker 1: Asks Mr Cracker. The tall, thin man walks slowly over
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Speaker 1: to it Ellwood and looks at him in almost clinical way,
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Speaker 1: and then slowly takes a seat at Elwood's right hand business.
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Speaker 1: Mr Cracker, if I could have a seltzer please right away, judge,
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Speaker 1: says Mr Cracker. Elwood looks up and smiles judge. Well,
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Speaker 1: pleased to meet a fellow lover of justice. I'm Elwood P.
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Speaker 1: Dow Judge. The man smiles a mirthless smile. Doom, Mr Dowd,
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Speaker 1: I'm quite pleased to make your acquaintance as well. Your
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Speaker 1: sister sends her best wishes. Elwood grints that well, she
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Speaker 1: that sure is sweet of her Yours sister is concerned
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Speaker 1: for your welfare, Mr Dwald, and she was hoping I
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Speaker 1: might be of some assistance, says Judge Doom. Oh well,
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Speaker 1: there's no need to go into any trouble. I'm right
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Speaker 1: as rain. In fact, as soon as I get uncuffed
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Speaker 1: from Roger, I'll be just about perfect, says Ellwood. Judge
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Speaker 1: Doom's eyes dart over to Elwood's left cuffed hand, with
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Speaker 1: the cuff just left there dangling. Yes, I see well,
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Speaker 1: Mr Dowd, I was hoping you might accompany me to
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Speaker 1: meet with a friend of mine, a Dr Chumley. He
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Speaker 1: runs a sanatorium not far from here. Perfect place to
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Speaker 1: get a little bit of rest, says the judge. Well
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Speaker 1: that sounds very nice, your honor. If I should ever
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Speaker 1: find myself an exhaustion, I'll know just who to look up.
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Speaker 1: Says Ellwood, without an ounce of guile. Indeed, says the judge. Well,
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Speaker 1: time for me to dip out. Lots to do and
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Speaker 1: with that that's all. Then Judge leaves. Ellwood spends a
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Speaker 1: good couple of hours in the bar, drinking, chatting amiably
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Speaker 1: with other customers, plus the bartender, occasionally chatting with Roger.
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Speaker 1: But eventually it's time for him to head home and
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Speaker 1: find those darn keys. So he pays his tab and
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Speaker 1: heads out the door. But he's only walked a step
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Speaker 1: or two before a huge net descends upon him and
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Speaker 1: a group of Weasley guys usher him into the back
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Speaker 1: of a pattiwagon. Next thing he knows, he's whisked off
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Speaker 1: to the sanatorium, where he's admitted. Immediately he sees a man,
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Speaker 1: presumably Dr. Chumley, meeting with Judge Doom. The orderlies get
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Speaker 1: into a bit of a disagreement with each other, and Elwood,
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Speaker 1: doing his best to be polite and stay out of
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Speaker 1: the way, has a little chat with Roger. Well, apparently
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Speaker 1: Roger needs to go back to his home and grab
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Speaker 1: his toothbrush if he's gonna stay over, and Elwood agrees
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Speaker 1: that's reasonable, So the to just walk right out, and
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Speaker 1: they hail a cab and they head back to town.
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Speaker 1: Well inside, Doom and Chumley quickly realized that Elwood has
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Speaker 1: quote unquote escaped, so they leave to track him down,
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Speaker 1: and we get a montage of Ellwood going around different
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Speaker 1: parts of shabby Los Angeles, presumably to get belongings so
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Speaker 1: that they can stay over at the sanatorium, and all
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Speaker 1: along the way Ellwood has conversations with the various famous cartoons,
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Speaker 1: so we can't see any of them. We just hear
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Speaker 1: his side of the conversations, which are always pleasant and amiable. Eventually,
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Speaker 1: Ellwood bumps into Dr Chumley, and Chumley says, there you are. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm here, says Ellwood, cheerfully. I think we have just
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Speaker 1: about everything we need to stay in your lovely facility.
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Speaker 1: Dr Chumley, at a loss for words, sees that Elwood
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Speaker 1: has a bar of soap, a toothbrush, and some other
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Speaker 1: odds and ends, oh, very well, I suppose we we
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Speaker 1: should get you back then, happy to oblige, says Ellwood.
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Speaker 1: Say you wouldn't happen to have any spare handcuff keys,
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Speaker 1: would you? This poor fellow has been stuck to me
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Speaker 1: for ages, and he holds up his left arm and
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Speaker 1: Dr Chumley turns to look, and he stops dead in
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Speaker 1: his tracks, staring at the handcuff up. That I think
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Speaker 1: we we might just have some Mr Dowld, that that
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Speaker 1: would be wonder full. Doctor. I I sure do think
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be fair for Roger to have to stay
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Speaker 1: there if I'm the one who needs to rest, says Ellwood.
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Speaker 1: Dr Chimbley says, I think I need to sit down. Well,
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Speaker 1: I know just the place, says Ellwood, and with that
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Speaker 1: he takes Dr Chumbley back to the bar, where the
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Speaker 1: two Well three sit and chat with Dr Chimley, also
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Speaker 1: occasionally appearing to speak to Roger. You know the imaginary
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Speaker 1: cartoon cuff to Elwood? Are we the only ones who
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Speaker 1: can see him? Asks Dr Chimley. You know I hadn't
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Speaker 1: given it much thought, says Ellwood. He looks over to
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Speaker 1: his left hand. Well if you're sure, and with that,
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Speaker 1: the cuffs on Elwood's left hand jump up for a
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Speaker 1: second then falls slack. Uh what do you know he
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Speaker 1: could take them off the whole time, says Dr Chimley. No,
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Speaker 1: not at any time. The only one It was funny
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Speaker 1: says Ellwood, and the two laugh outside. Lurking beyond the
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Speaker 1: bar door, a man in black stands, clenching his ists
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Speaker 1: behind his dark glasses, red lights glow and we hear
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Speaker 1: him let out a high pitched laugh. Cut to credits.
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Speaker 1: I love that, Jonathan. It was so heartwarming and wonderful. Uh.
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Speaker 1: If they do a Jimmy Stewart biopic or another one,
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Speaker 1: if they've already done one, you are my choice, Jimmy Stewart.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful that Dana Carvey can can definitely take that role
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Speaker 1: from me. It's fine. Uh, that was a lot of
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Speaker 1: fun to do. And then, you know, I don't know
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Speaker 1: about you, Ariel, but sometimes I have an idea of
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Speaker 1: how things are going to turn out when I start,
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Speaker 1: and it turns into something totally different by the time
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Speaker 1: I finish. Because when I started this, I thought I
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Speaker 1: was gonna go like really dark, psychological, kind of grim stuff.
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Speaker 1: But as I was writing and I was like, no,
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Speaker 1: I can't, because Harvey is such a sincere, earnest, sweet
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Speaker 1: movie that it just doesn't work. If you do that, well,
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Speaker 1: that's just the sign of being a good writer. I do.
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Speaker 1: that's the sign of a good writer. And you know,
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