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Ep. 820: Breaking Down My Alaskan Deer Hunt · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on
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  Speaker 2: the show, I'm breaking down my first deer hunt of
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season, and it was an Alaskan
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  Speaker 2: deer hunt. All right, Welcome back to the Wired to
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  Speaker 2: that came out this year. I hope you've heard all
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  Speaker 2: about it. I won't belabor the point, but you can
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  Speaker 2: today it's storytime. It's just you and me. I'm telling
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  Speaker 2: you a story. It's one of the most unique stories
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  Speaker 2: that I've been able to ever share here on the
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  Speaker 2: Wired Hunt podcast. And it is a deer hunt, which
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  Speaker 2: you've heard about plenty before. But this is a very
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  Speaker 2: different kind of deer hunt because this is a deer
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  Speaker 2: hunt that took place not in Michigan, not in Iowa
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  Speaker 2: or Ohio, or Nebraska, Pennsylvania, Texas, Nope, I went way
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  Speaker 2: up north to Alaska. So today I want to tell
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  Speaker 2: you about why I went to Alaska, how I went
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  Speaker 2: to Alaska, what I was chasing, how I was chasing it,
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  Speaker 2: and how that hunt went down, and a few things
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  Speaker 2: about that location and the species up there that I
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  Speaker 2: think are worth knowing. So that's the game plan today.
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  Speaker 2: The heck of an adventure up there, was up in
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  Speaker 2: Alaska for almost two weeks. Just got back the other day,
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  Speaker 2: and so so yeah, I want to share that story
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  Speaker 2: with you and what I learned along the way, hopefully
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  Speaker 2: maybe inspire a few of you to explore this part
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  Speaker 2: of the country someday, maybe arm you with a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of insight that can help you plan and execute
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  Speaker 2: a trip like that and entertaining the rest of you
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  Speaker 2: if nothing else. So that's the game plan for today's show.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of house cleaning items before we do that.
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  Speaker 2: The Whitetail Edu series, our educational whitetail series that Tony
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  Speaker 2: and I have been doing on YouTube. That's wrapped up,
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  Speaker 2: so the first season of white Tail Edu is done.
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  Speaker 2: There are ten episodes now over on the meet either
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  Speaker 2: Clips YouTube channel. So you can watch all ten now
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  Speaker 2: the most recent episodes of covered topics such as choosing
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  Speaker 2: euromounts or shoulder mounts, what's the right mount for you?
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  Speaker 2: Shot placement on deer. We did a deep dive on that.
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  Speaker 2: We did a video on callington sure bucks a few
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  Speaker 2: weeks earlier, we did one about how mature bucks uniquely travel.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to get some last minute deer
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  Speaker 2: hunting know how into your brain before the season kicks off,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe you're already hunting and you're just wanting some
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  Speaker 2: some refreshers before the next hunt, check those out. That's
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  Speaker 2: really the only thing other than I I guess this
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  Speaker 2: is just a general thing, but the rest of my
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  Speaker 2: hunting season is going to be kicking off here pretty
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  Speaker 2: soon across Michigan, Illinois, Kentucky, maybe some other spots. And
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  Speaker 2: if you want to follow along with what I've got
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  Speaker 2: going on personally, if you want to be able to
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  Speaker 2: see videos and photos and more frequent updates on these adventures, uh,
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  Speaker 2: ran across, and then links to all of our most
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  Speaker 2: recent whitetail articles, podcasts, and videos put out across Media
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  Speaker 2: and Wired Hunt. So lots and lots of stuff coming out.
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  Speaker 2: You know that We've got a whole stable of different
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  Speaker 2: writers who are sharing whitetail how to articles. You know.
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  Speaker 2: On the podcast side, of course you've got this show,
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  Speaker 2: but then of course Tony's Foundations podcast, the ret Fresh
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  Speaker 2: That's it, I guess as far as those quick little reminders.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk deer let's talk Alaska, talked this hunt. I
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  Speaker 2: just came back from why did I want to go
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  Speaker 2: to Alaska and why did I want to go to
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  Speaker 2: hunt deer there. That's a good question, and it's where
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  Speaker 2: we should start, and some of it I can explain
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  Speaker 2: to you. Some of it I'm going to hold back
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  Speaker 2: because part of what inspired me to go up to
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  Speaker 2: Alaska for a deer hunt was a very interesting wildlife
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  Speaker 2: ecology phenomena underway right now. There's some interesting stuff going
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  Speaker 2: on in Alaska that I was interested in, and I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to do some reporting on it, some learning about it,
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  Speaker 2: some research on it, and I want to share it
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  Speaker 2: with you folks and many others. But that's still kind
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  Speaker 2: of in the midst of happening right now. This trip
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  Speaker 2: was part of that research process. I'm still doing some now.
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  Speaker 2: I want to wait to start talking about that until
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  Speaker 2: I have a very clear, comprehensive handle on this situation.
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  Speaker 2: But rest assured. We did a film. We produced a
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  Speaker 2: film up there in Alaska about this hunt and about
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  Speaker 2: this interesting ecological situation, and I will be diving into
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  Speaker 2: all of that, you know, in the next six months
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  Speaker 2: to a year, once we finally put all that together
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  Speaker 2: and bring that out to the world. So that's like
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  Speaker 2: I realized, like a ridiculous teaser to tell you there's
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  Speaker 2: this interesting thing and I'm not going to tell you
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  Speaker 2: about it, but I guess forgive me, I'm doing it anyways.
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  Speaker 2: So there's some interesting stuff going on with wildlife up there.
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  Speaker 2: That was one thing, and then as I found out
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  Speaker 2: about this interesting stuff, it got me more and more
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  Speaker 2: interested in blacktail deer and what their situation is up there,
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  Speaker 2: and how healthy is that population, how healthy is their habitat,
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  Speaker 2: what's the future look like for blacktail deer, what's the
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  Speaker 2: future of the landscape they live in up there? What
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  Speaker 2: do they need to survive and to thrive? What's going
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  Speaker 2: on up in this part of the world. And this
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  Speaker 2: part of the world is southeast Alaska. So for those
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  Speaker 2: who aren't familiar, and if you're watching on video, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna see if I can do this the right way.
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  Speaker 2: If you're seeing on video, this is kind of what
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  Speaker 2: Alaska looks like. I'm holding out my hand, my thumb's down,
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  Speaker 2: my index fingers out a little bit, and then the
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  Speaker 2: rest of my hand is kind of three fingers together.
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  Speaker 2: You've got this peninsula that sticks out to the south.
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  Speaker 2: That's southeast Alaska that branches down off the main body
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  Speaker 2: of Alaska down along the edge of British Columbia. And
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  Speaker 2: this is where Juno is. This is where Ketchikan is.
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  Speaker 2: This is where Prince of Wales Island is. This is
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  Speaker 2: where Steve's fishshack is. This is where, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: largest tempered rainforest in North America is the Tongus National Force.
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  Speaker 2: Is this incredible seventeen million acre rainforest in North America.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's vast, it's home to some of the largest
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  Speaker 2: trees in the world, an incredible breadth of biodiversity. And this,
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  Speaker 2: you know, huge swath of wild country too. I mean
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  Speaker 2: there's there's obviously some towns like ketch can do you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know others I mentioned, but it is wild too,
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  Speaker 2: and so you know, I wanted to get up there
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  Speaker 2: and see this. You know, I've heard Steve telling stories
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  Speaker 2: about this area. My buddy is you know, Yannis and
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  Speaker 2: Brody and all these guys have been out there, have
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  Speaker 2: seen these places. If hunted deer there, have experienced the
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  Speaker 2: fishing there, have experienced this landscape. And I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: see that too, And so I thought man, I can
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  Speaker 2: learn about what's going on with black tailed deer up there.
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  Speaker 2: I can go see this place firsthand for myself and
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  Speaker 2: learn a little bit more about why this place is
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  Speaker 2: so important and worth protecting. Even though I'm a michigan Er,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a guy who lives thousands and thousands of miles away.
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  Speaker 2: I keep hearing about the Tongus National Forest. I keep
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  Speaker 2: hearing about why some people call this the salmon forest
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  Speaker 2: or the climate forest, because this forest has an unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: set of dependencies I guess on The forest sucks up
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  Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of carbon, so it's helping with that
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  Speaker 2: whole situation. It provides much of the habitat that vast
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  Speaker 2: swaths of the salmon in the world depend on. The
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  Speaker 2: forest itself is actually built in part by salmon because
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  Speaker 2: salmon run up all these thousands of streams across Southeast Alaska,
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  Speaker 2: and as many of you probably know, salmon when they spawn,
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  Speaker 2: so when they lay their eggs, they then die. So
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  Speaker 2: salmon lay their eggs in these streams, deep into these
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  Speaker 2: islands or deep inside the interior of Southeast Alaska. Little
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  Speaker 2: baby salmon are hatched. They eventually get larger and then
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  Speaker 2: swim out of the rivers and streams into the ocean.
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  Speaker 2: They spend some number of years in the ocean. They
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  Speaker 2: grow and grow and grow and collect all these ocean
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  Speaker 2: nutrients in their bodies. They then when they are going
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  Speaker 2: to spawn at the end of their life, they swim
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  Speaker 2: back up those streams to the very exact same place
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  Speaker 2: they were born, They lay their eggs, and then they
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  Speaker 2: die there, effectively bringing all of those ocean nutrients back
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  Speaker 2: into the interior into these four forests, where then they
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  Speaker 2: provide the best fertilizer in the world and essentially are
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  Speaker 2: the nutrient source for these massive trees and forests. So
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  Speaker 2: it's a very very interesting cycle that's going on there.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a long winded way of saying, there's some
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  Speaker 2: really cool shit in southeast Alaska that I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: learn about and that I wanted to see. So that's
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  Speaker 2: what kicked all this off. I became fascinated with this
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  Speaker 2: idea of learning about this deer species that lives there,
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  Speaker 2: Sikka black tail deer. They are a you know, one
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  Speaker 2: of the three ish main species of deer in North America.
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  Speaker 2: We've got white tailed deer of course, Then you've got
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  Speaker 2: mule deer, and then there's like a couple versions of
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  Speaker 2: black tail that you've got Colombian black tail deer, which
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  Speaker 2: are like a subspecies ish of mule deer. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even know enough about how they differentiate. I remember hearing
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  Speaker 2: at one point that there's basically just like a highway
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  Speaker 2: and they say, one side of the highways a mule deer,
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  Speaker 2: one side of the highways a black tail deer. But
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  Speaker 2: then if you go north, north north, you get to
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  Speaker 2: a very different blacktail, which is the Sikka blacktail deer.
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  Speaker 2: And these deer are stout and short and compact compared
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  Speaker 2: to their cousins down south. They have smaller antlers, darker.
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  Speaker 2: They live in these rainforest environments. They're native to southeast
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  Speaker 2: Alaska in that region, and they're super cool, these dark
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  Speaker 2: black foreheads a blacktail, as their name of course would
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  Speaker 2: clue you in on. And they live in wild places.
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  Speaker 2: Not only do they live in these rainforest environments, but
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  Speaker 2: they also can live up in the alpine kind of
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  Speaker 2: like you know, like the alpine mule deer habitat that
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  Speaker 2: some of us are used to seeing in Colorado or
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  Speaker 2: Nevada or something. Well, they're up high in these peaks
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  Speaker 2: in Alaska too, and so I got to thinking, how
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  Speaker 2: awesome would it be to go see this rainforest, climb
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  Speaker 2: through it, get to the top of the mountains, and
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  Speaker 2: find black tailed deer up there. So that's what I
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  Speaker 2: started exploring and researching and thinking about, which led me
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  Speaker 2: to reaching out to someone who has written about these
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  Speaker 2: topics in the past, written about a bunch of interesting
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  Speaker 2: things around Alaska and blacktail deer and bears a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a guy named Bjorn Dila. Bjorn is a
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  Speaker 2: resident of southeast Alaska, there in Juno and one of
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  Speaker 2: the wildest, most wilderness savvy mountain men I've ever met.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy is a legend as far as
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  Speaker 2: I'm concerned. And we started chatting. I started asking him
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  Speaker 2: questions about his experience his hunting blacktails in this area
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  Speaker 2: and this habitat, and the guy was kind enough to say, Man,
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  Speaker 2: why don't we just spend some time together. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: just hunt together. I can show you around, teach you
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  Speaker 2: a thing or two, and so that's what we decided
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  Speaker 2: to do. So Bjorn and I were going to meet
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  Speaker 2: up and we're going to do a black tailed deer
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  Speaker 2: hunt together in a place called Admiral t Island, which
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  Speaker 2: is an island just off the coast of southeast Alaska.
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  Speaker 2: It's a sixteen hundred square mile island that is mostly
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  Speaker 2: designated wilderness, mostly public land, a super super wild place,
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  Speaker 2: and home to approximately sixteen hundred brown bears, So sixteen
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  Speaker 2: hundred square miles sixteen hundred brown bears. Brown bears, you know,
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  Speaker 2: those are grizzlies, coastal grizzlies, very very big grizzlies that
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  Speaker 2: live on the coast. Subsist in a large way by
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  Speaker 2: way of fish and salmon. So there's about a brown
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  Speaker 2: bear per square mile on this island. There's a whole
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  Speaker 2: pile of them. So I also had some bear questions
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  Speaker 2: for Bjorn leading into the strip, and fortunately he's a
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  Speaker 2: guy who has a lot of experience with that, which
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  Speaker 2: gave me some peace of mind because not only is
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  Speaker 2: he an outdoor writer and an experienced hunter, but he's
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  Speaker 2: also been a bear viewing guy, which led to some
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  Speaker 2: very interesting stories. We're like, you know, he was part
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  Speaker 2: of a company where he would take people out to
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  Speaker 2: go experience brown bears relatively close. And then he's also
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  Speaker 2: a guy who natural history documentarians. So the people who
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  Speaker 2: make shows like you know, like Planet Earth or One Planet,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, all the Netflix, BBC National Geographic animal
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  Speaker 2: documentary films and shows, they hire Bjorn to be the
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  Speaker 2: guy who goes sets up all the logistics and who
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  Speaker 2: guides them safely to film bears and that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So the guy knows how to handle himself in big
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  Speaker 2: bear country and made it so I felt, you know,
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  Speaker 2: comfortable exploring a new place in a density of bears
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  Speaker 2: that I'm not used to. I've spent a lot of
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  Speaker 2: time in grizzly country down the lower forty eight, but
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  Speaker 2: this was just like another level. So so Bjorn was
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  Speaker 2: great to make sure I was on the right program,
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  Speaker 2: and then just the stories he has, I'm gonna I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't get him on the show this week, but he
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  Speaker 2: is going to come on the show sometime this fall
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  Speaker 2: or this winter, and we're going to talk about some
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  Speaker 2: of the stuf more detail with him, because he's fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: He is, lack of a better term, just legit, Like
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  Speaker 2: he is one of the most legit wilderness I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to subscribe wilderness savvy. The dude has done
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  Speaker 2: some wild stuff and I want you guys to hear
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  Speaker 2: about it at some point. He's also a phenomenal writer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna plug one of his books right here while
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  Speaker 2: we're talking. The beginning this book, A Shape in the Dark,
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  Speaker 2: Living and Dying with Brown Bears. I don't care if
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  Speaker 2: you never plan on going to Alaska, if you have
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  Speaker 2: any interest in grizzly bears and brown bears, if they
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  Speaker 2: fascinate you or they terrify you, or you just think
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  Speaker 2: they're really cool, or you want to hunt him someday,
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  Speaker 2: or you just want to see him. I just want
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  Speaker 2: to learn about him. This is an excellent book about
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  Speaker 2: brown bears and the history of brown bears in America
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  Speaker 2: and his many, many crazy stories with them. It's just
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  Speaker 2: really well done. So go buy that book right now.
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  Speaker 2: Highly recommend it, A Shape in the Dark. Okay, So
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  Speaker 2: Jorden's the guy who I spent time with. That's why
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  Speaker 2: I spent time with him. Admiralty Island is the place
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  Speaker 2: that I went to at the beginning of the trip.
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  Speaker 2: I went and spent some time with a biologist with
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  Speaker 2: Alaska fishing game talking about this ecological phenomena that I'll
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  Speaker 2: be sharing with you guys. At a later date I
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  Speaker 2: went and hiked and checked out a massive glacier from
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  Speaker 2: the Juno ice field to see some stuff going on
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  Speaker 2: with that glacier, which was really interesting and eye opening
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  Speaker 2: to see that was cool. But all that was kind
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  Speaker 2: of the preamble to the actual hunt. The plan for
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  Speaker 2: the hunt was that we were going to fly in
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  Speaker 2: a beaver I think it was super beaver. This one
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  Speaker 2: was called from Juno to Admiralty Island and get dropped
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  Speaker 2: off at a lake there, and then from there we
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  Speaker 2: would load up our backpacks and spike out make a
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  Speaker 2: spike camp up in the alpine on top of a mountain.
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  Speaker 2: The problem was that the day we're supposed to fly
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  Speaker 2: out it was rainy, foggy, cloudy and nasty mess and
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  Speaker 2: it pushed back our flight. So we went to a diner.
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  Speaker 2: Pushed back another hour, so we had a second cup
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  Speaker 2: of coffee. Pushed back another hour, so we ate lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Pushed back another two hours. So we went to Bjorn's
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  Speaker 2: house and hung out for a while and worked, and
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  Speaker 2: long story short, they eventually at like four four thirty
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  Speaker 2: something like that, they called and just said, hey, we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to fly today. We're gonna try again tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: So that was a bummer. But my camera operator Colin,
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  Speaker 2: and I went and went fishing, went for a hike,
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  Speaker 2: so it was cool. Made the best of our off day.
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  Speaker 2: Saw some beautiful stuff. So hundreds and hundreds of hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of eagles, all these bald eagles congregating around this river
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  Speaker 2: where all these salmon were coming in. If you've never
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  Speaker 2: been to the Pacific Northwest, especially to Alaska or British
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  Speaker 2: Columbia where we still have salmon runs, just this incredible
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  Speaker 2: flow of life in and out of these river systems
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  Speaker 2: is just unbelievable. You have to see it and experience it.
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  Speaker 2: The the fecundity of it. I guess, it's just so alive,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much going on. You're like seeing the world,
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  Speaker 2: like mother Nature, playing out right in front of you
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  Speaker 2: in a very tangible way. It was just very very powerful,
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  Speaker 2: I guess to see that that's neither here nor there,
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  Speaker 2: not related to the deer, but that's something I kept
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  Speaker 2: seeing over and over again. That just kind of took
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  Speaker 2: my breathway. Anyways, the flight got delayed twenty four hours,
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  Speaker 2: but luckily the next day, even though it's pouring rain,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: they said Hey, we can do it. We're gonna give
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: a shot. So we kind of race to the plane.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: It's a float plane. We load everything up in the rain,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: hop in the plane. I'm in the front seat, takes off.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I was a little bit sketched out
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: because it was still pretty darn cloudy and windy and rainy.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, how's this guy gonna get us there? Because
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: these planes, these guys fly by sight mostly maybe entirely
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: with these guys, and we were at times like to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: flying blind and then you'd come in and out of
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: clouds and he's weaving his way across like gaps in
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the mountains and overwater bodies where there's a little bit
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: more visibility. But it was also really cool, beautiful, and
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: we did make it to the lake. Dropped us down
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: at the lake and there was a four service cabin
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: there that we'd rented as like a as like a
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: backup base of operations. If we couldn't be in the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: alpine or if we needed to have someone to keep
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: stuff dry, we'd have this little one room cabin. So
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: we had that and we got dropped off, but the
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: weather got worse and it got socked in and based
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: on the forecast it looked like the rest of the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: day it was going to be like that. So we
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: decided to kind of unload, reorganize, chill at the cabin.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: That first day do some fishing. There was a lake
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: like I mentioned, and then a really cool creek coming
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: out of it, so we fished and caught a pile
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: a coastal cutthroat trout, which was a lot of fun.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: And then the next morning the weather was supposed to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: clear and we would be able to hike up the mountain,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: up into the alpine and actually start the deer hunt.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: So we did that. The next they got up, loaded
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: everything in the backpacks for like three or four days
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: up there in the mountains. Had to take a boat.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: We had like a little John boat in a pack
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: craft that we had to take across the lake to
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: the side where this mountain was that We're gonna hunt. Unloaded,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: and then started hiking. And you know, the crazy thing
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: about this place is the terrain and the actual vegetation
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: is just so different than anything that I'm used to
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: deer hunting. Of course, the vegetation is the biggest thing.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, this is a rainforest, This is an
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: absolute jungle. And so you'll go through some stretches where
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: it's just open timber, like big old growth timber, and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: that's beautiful and not so bad to get through, except
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: for the fact that there's dead trees everywhere, and so
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you're constantly going over dead falls and you're constantly falling
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: into holes. Because if you can imagine like a thousand
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: year old forest with all these dead trees falling down
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and slowly rotting away from all the moisture, you get
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: just like a spongy floor of and you'll fall through
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that floor sometimes because it's rotten wood. So sometimes there
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: would just be like a little bit of moss covering
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a hole or a thin veneer of rotten wood, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: then as soon as you step on it with a
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: heavy backpack on, you fall through. So you'd be hiking
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and walking and then all of a sudden, it's like
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you're post hauling in deep snow, but you're just falling.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So that was interesting. And then you'd get to other
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: spots where you didn't have the old trees, you had
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: like younger growth spots where sunlight came in. Then you
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: had like the low underbrush, just absolute nightmare. Jungle kind
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: of situation that you're bushwhacking through it. There's no trials here,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: so we're just bushwhacking finding our way through this stuff.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And the worst stuff was something called Devil's Club, which
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: is like a I don't I gotta, I gotta go
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: look and find like something I can compare it to.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But it's like a long, tall, stocky plant with a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: big leaf at the end and then just spines all
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the way up and down it, and there's some kind
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of toxin in it because it causes you to blister
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: different than like the regular thorns and stuff we have
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: in the Midwest. These thorns would create these nasty, big
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: red and then eventually white pussy blisters everywhere you got poked.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And I got them all over my hands, and if
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you're watching the video, you can still see, like, I've
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: got these blood blisters all over my hands that are
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: just kind of the remnants of them. There's one right there,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: but it was like white pussy blisters all over my
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: hand and parts of my shoulders and back and stuff.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So just made it, you know, an adventure. And then
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you'd get to spots where it would just be so
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: steep that you were basically, you know, using your hands
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to climb up the mountain side. It wasn't even like walkable.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: You were just like hands and feet and knees and everything,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: pulling your way up with a you know, fifty to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: sixty pound pack with your rifle, with all this stuff.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So it was an adventure getting up there. It was
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: obviously all wet still and muddy, so you're slipping and
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: sliding to and this was an easy approach according to Bjorn,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: So you know, what I thought was kind of a
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: death march. He's like, oh, this isn't that bad. So
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: these guys, these guys are used to some tough stuff,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: and I definitely admire them for that. I thought I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: was pretty mountain you know, experienced in mountain savvy, and
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you know, I did fine. But it definitely was you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: it worked me, I guess, is what I'm saying. So
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: we did that for how many hours and then punched
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: out finally into the alpine a tree line, and then
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you're going up big like rock faces and shale slides
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: and avalanche shoots and different stuff. So now we're like
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: up in the mountains and we come finally up this
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: steep cliffy side and get over top, and we'd get
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: into this finally alpine plateau and right away, stay deer.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: There's like two little does and a spike buck and
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: my first black tail deer of the trip. So really
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: cool to finally see them, this beautiful deer. And I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: don't think they saw us, or if they did, they
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: just weren't too terribly concerned. And that was one thing
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: we found was that, you know, this is one of
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: those kinds of places and one of those kinds of
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: honey that you know, because of how hard it is
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to get there, they just don't see many people. So
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I do think that the deer were a little bit
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: forgiving of our presence, definitely forgiving of our of our
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: presence compared to like whitetail deer down here where if
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you know, if they see you walking across an opening,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: like they're gone. These deer, like if they saw a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: walk across an opening, some of them, at least the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: doughs would just stare at you for a while and
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: think like, what's that about. So that was an interesting
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: difference there, just you know, a totally different set of
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: you know, just just they've learned different things over the years,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: right they have not been exposed to humans over and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: over and had negative interactions with them. So we get
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: up there, these deer eventually move away. We go find
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a place it's got water and kind of hidden from
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the rest of the cliffs and mountain side that we
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: can get hidden away and set up tents, set up
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: our camp, and then after that we kind of regroup,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: talk about strategy, and headed out for the first hunt.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: The name of the game for this kind of hunt
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was that we would get high. It kind of approached
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: like a like a mule or hunt, I think, in
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that we would get up high in glass and check
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: different bulls like we would actually were going to the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: very summit of this mountain, and there's all these different
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: like hanging valleys, like these different glacial cirques, I guess,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: these bowls coming off of the different three or four
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: different sides of the mountain. And then you can get
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to the summit and then walk one direction, peer down
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to that bowl for a while, and then walk another
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: fifty yards to one hundred yards to the other side
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: and peer down there, and walk fifty yards another direction
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: and peer down that side. And so you could see
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: all these different little valleys that were still all above
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: tree line, and there was different groups of deer in
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: every one of those. So the first one we went to,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: we saw what was in there. We saw I spotted
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a bed of buck and a couple of beded does
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and a few other dos up and feeding, and that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: was exciting just to kind of see some deer doing
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: deer things. In that first buck, you know, looked like
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a decent one, you know. I spent some time talking
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to Bjorn about what I should expect as far as
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the deer heard up there, you know, as far as
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: like what's the deer you should take. And Bjorn was
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: very much like, if you see antlers, shoot because you're
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: not guaranteed anything up in these places. And he traditionally
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: has been you know, hunting up here just you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: just for meat and getting as much meat as he
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: can get, and you know, not much for passing up
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: bucks and waiting to see what else was out there.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So he was very much all about, like, man, take
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: a crack if you can get one, which I respect him,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: was not opposed to. At the same time, though, like
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: this is my first time seeing blacktail deer, this is
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: my first time in this place. I didn't really want
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to just like rush to get over with. I wanted
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to kind of savor it a little bit and see
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: some of these critters and learn about some of these
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: critters before I, you know, hunted and killed one. So
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that first valley we explored and glassed. You know, we said,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: all right, that's cool, let's let's keep looking, let's keep exploring.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So then we hiked up this other big ridge line
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: heading to the summit and peeled over and looked on
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: this other side and on this other side the orange
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: spotted dough. And then I started glassing. And as I'm glassing,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I finally spot antlers. Here's a buck, a beded buck,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: and it looks like a pretty nice one. It looks
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: like a pretty nice one to me, but I don't
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: really know what a nice one is. I mean, I
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: think it's a nice one, but yeah, I don't have
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: that context. So I'm like Bjorn, what do you think
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: about this deer? And he's like, oh man, that's a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: that's a really good buck. That's top shelf. And you
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: got to you gotta know, like siic of black tailed
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: deer much smaller antlers than mule deer or white tailed
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: deer or even black tailed deer down on the west coast,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: these are smaller antler deer. And then even as far
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: as Sika black tail deer's deer go, the ones on
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: this island are small, antlerd than the ones on somewhere
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: like Kodiak Island. So yeah, we're just not dealing with
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: big racks here. But they're like stout body, super cool deer. Still.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So what I was looking for, and what I eventually
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: explained to Bjorn was, you know, I'm looking for a
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: good representative of the species. So Biorn's like, gay, man,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: that's a good one. But let me just peek over
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: this last little bowl and see what else is there.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So I sit there with the digits scope. I start
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: filming this buck. He's I think in Michigan we would
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: call him an eight pointer or a nine pointer. These
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: guys were calling him like a three by three because
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: they subtract the brow times and make it all confusing.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: But it was, it was, It was a cool buck.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Biorn comes back eventually, after I watched this deer for
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: a while, he says, man, there's like four or five
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: bucks on the other side within two hundred and fifty
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: yards so maybe you should go take one of those.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well what about this one. He's like, well, yeah,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: they're probably smaller than that one. I said, well, I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: kind of falling in love with this dear. I've been
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: watching him and like really cool, wide, big brow times
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: obviously a big body. So we kind of think about
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: it a little bit and then decide, hey, you know what,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: they're separate, like they're in different bowls. I could stalk
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and try to hunt this deer, and if I blow it,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I could always go back to the summit and go
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to this other group and hopefully they would still be there.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: So that's what we end up deciding to do. To
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: get around on this deer, we had to drop down
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: off the summit and do a big, wide stalk, like
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: a big loop to get down wind and behind him,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: and then to try to be able to creep in
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: and get an angle and come over the crest of
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the mountain to be able to see him because he
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: was bedded down next to a patch of pine trees,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: and so I kind of, you know, looked at stuff
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: as best I could, took some pictures to try to identify,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: like to have like reference points visually so I could remember, Okay,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: that's what this bush looks like, that's where he was.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I used ONYX to try to look at the aerial
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: view and try to match up the aerial view with
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: what I thought I was seeing in front of me,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and then I tried to mark where I thought he
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: was on the map. So I tried to have all
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: these different reference points so that when I re you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: when I circled around and relocated, I hope I could
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: find him again. So we get over there after that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: big hike around to get there, and as I'm creeping
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: into where I think I should be able to see him,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I spot other deer. And what ended up happening was
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: that there was a whole bunch of deer in between
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: me and him that I never saw earlier. I think
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: there was I don't know, five dos, two or three
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: little forks, a bigger like six point buck, a bunch
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: of deer in there, and basically one of them had
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: me kind of pegged, and the others, you know, I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: was worried that they're going to see me if I
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: moved any more. And I could never get an angle
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to see this big buck. So for a while it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: laid on my belly until it's seen that those deer
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: will calm again. And then I realized, all right, I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: gotta reposition do something different here to try to you know,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: get closer or get an angle on the big buck
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: without those deer seeing me. So the new plan was
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: to belly crawl backwards out of sight and then do
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: another loop back behind this set of pine trees and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: then try to come in like right above where that
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: big one was. So we try to do that and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: make the move, me and Bjorn, and then we're followed
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: by Colin, who is our camera operator, who is also
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: awesome guy. He's produced some really good films. This isn't
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a side again, I'm going off another one of my tangents,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: but I want to plug him because he's produced some
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: great work. He just had a tremendous film called House
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: of School of Fish that is exploring the salmon situation
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: up in Bristol Bay. Would highly recommend checking that one
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: out if you want to learn more about the Tongus
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: National Forest. He had a great film called The Understory.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I'd recommend that one. Those are two pieces of work
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: that would definitely suggest you check out from Colin so
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: great dude, great camera operator, cinematographer, photographer, whatever you want
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: to call him. So he's with this too. So we
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: do this second loop, get into these trees, trying to
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: edge our way out to try to see something, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: again I get into a spot where I can't get
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: around them enough to see down to him without this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: other group of deer seeing So I've kind of stuck there,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: edging forward a little bit every time that these other
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: deer look away. But it just it wasn't a good situation,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and I just kept thinking to myself, like I want
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to push forward to see this buck, but I just
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: don't see how I'm possibly gonna be able to pull
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: that off without him seeing us or without them seeing us.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: And then as I'm kind of debating that in my
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: head and thinking like, is there any third option, I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: hear b you hear kind of like leaping away, and
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I look over a Bjorn he like points down beneath
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: us and like mouths that, like there's a deer running
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: with So in that moment, I was hopeful that that
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: wasn't the end of our hunt and the end of
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: our stock. But what I found later over the course
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: like the next hours I continue to try to slowly
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: squeeze or slip my way up. There was that I
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: had ended up stalking him because of having to take
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this second like two different loops to try to get
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: different angles, and ended up getting much closer to his
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: bed location than I realized. And I think what ended
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: up happening is that we end up getting within like
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: seventy yards maybe of where he was betted. And I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: think that our wind dropped or swirled enough that it
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: spooked him because we hear this deer run off, one solitary,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: big sounding deer, and then all the other deer look
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: over in that direction, and then they just stayed latched
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: on that area for like half an hour, and they
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: didn't spook off, but they just kept staring over there.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: And then finally after thirty minutes or whatever it was,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: they finally started like moving off. There's like one bigger
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: buck in that group, which maybe I mean, he had
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: a much bigger buye than the other year, so he
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: might have been mature compared to the others. I was
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: still like trying to figure that out. He moved off,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and then the two or three other little four kis
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: moved off, and then the dos slowly over the course,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: like ten fifteen minutes, all kind of followed him away,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and then I got up and moved and tried to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: look where it was, but there was no deal there,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: so blew that first stalk, which was disappointing, but at
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the same time, it was really cool to see a
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: bunch of deer. It was fun to have my first
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: attempt at one of these deer, and it was you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: especially nice to know that there was a backup option,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: there was a fallback plan. So we regrouped, talked about
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: what happened, and then you know, decided, hey, let's try
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: to go back to the sum of the mountain, hike
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: back up there and get over to that other bowl
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: and see if those other bucks are there. So that's
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: what we start doing. But up to this point, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: should point out, you know, it was cloudy and rainy
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: all the day prior, and then as we were hiking
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: up the mountain in the morning, it started to clear up.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: So everything was still muddy and wet, but at least
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: it wasn't pouring rain anymore. And then by the time
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: we got out to the alpine, it had cleared up
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: enough that we were starting to see the mountains around us,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: and we could see sunshine and ended up getting really nice.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: So it was very pretty and open and visible for
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: that first and for you know, when we first went
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to the summit. But now we're hiking back to the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: summit and now clouds rolling and it's like you're completely
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: socked in, like you're in a cloud. So my worry
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: as I was hiking up there was did I just
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: blow my only opportunity to be able sea deer? Even?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Like are we going to be stuck in this stuff
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the day and the rest of tomorrow,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: you know, because we missed a day of the hunt
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: because of the flight. You know, our hunt time was
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: now significantly shortened because not only did we get our
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: our day a flying was pushed back twenty four hours,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: but then when we finally did get here, we had
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to wait another day because the weather was too bad
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: to get up into the mountains. So, you know, I
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: was working with much less time than I originally thought
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it was going to So we're hiking up, we're in
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the clouds. I'm worrying a little bit about you know,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: what's going to happen now? And we hike up up up, up, up,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: get to the top of this mountain. It's like a
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: knife edge ridge, very thin ridge that we're climbing at
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: this point, and we get to the spot where I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: see these big, deeply imprinted round tracks on this ridge.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And the ridge, like the tops of the mountains, is
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: like like tundra, which you would imagine thunder like lichen
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: and moss almost on the surface of the soil. And
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I asked the Armley, so what's this and he explains
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: something that is one of the absolute coolest things I
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: have ever seen out in the natural world, one of
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the coolest things I've ever seen. This was something that
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: he called in what is known as a grandfather trail,
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and a grandfather trail is a spot on these knife
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: edged ridges throughout Alaska and maybe other brown bear territory
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: where grizzly bears, where brown bears will step into these footprints,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: the same footprints year after year after year. So imagine
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: like seeing bear tracks, right, you were to imagine the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: path of a bear, and you would see each bear
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: track in the dirt or the mud, but instead of
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: it being in the dirt or the mud, it is
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: pressed like twelve inches deep into the moss into the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: mountain's surface, into the soil, but like a foot deep,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: and just like perfectly laid out tracks, so it's not
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: like it's a trail. It's just like track track, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: twelve inches deep, pressed into the surface. And what these
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: bear do is they step into those prints every year
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and they push their paws down there and they leave
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: scent deposits. I'm imagining it's kind of like a buck
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: making a scrape. They're leaving a chemical signature, a message
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of sorts, to communicate their presence, their dominance, anything else
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: like that. And so all sorts of different bears come
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: up and they walk these trails, and when they walk
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: these trails, they carefully press their feet exactly into those
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: steps as they walk across the ridge to leave this message.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And what Biorna explained was that in these places is
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: these same trails have been used since the glaciers melted away,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: so thousands of years, these trails, these prints have been
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: pressed into by different brown bears over the course of
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of generations of different bears. So I
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: was standing there on top of a mountain looking at
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the tracks that thousands of different brown bears over the
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: course of thousands of years, had pressed their paws into
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just a wild thing to consider
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: and to see. I mean, as far as I'm concerned,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: grizzly bears are the epitome of wildness. And here was
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a place to see and touch something that had been
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: created by and touched by that emblem of wildness for
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: thousands of years. It was like one of the most
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: direct connections I've ever had to something that happened so
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: so so long ago. It connected me back to I
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't have the words yet. I have
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: not had the time yet to think about exactly how
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: to explain this, except to say that it was a
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: powerful experience and something to see and something to be
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: near and to imagine all the wild stuff that happened
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: right there where I was standing. So very cool moment,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and I kind of was talking to Biorn about this.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: I went, manly, this is one of the coolest things
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen. And then he says to me, well,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: what's also really cool is that there's probably still some
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: bucks on the other side of this cliff, so maybe
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: we should go check that out before it gets dark,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: which was a good point, and so We kind of
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: sneak our way over to the edge and then eventually
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: have to lay down and belly crawl up to this
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: cliff because there's a sheer cliff drop down into one
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: of these bowls, and just as we're getting there, the
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: clouds parked and the sun setting just this beautiful light
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: is kind of shining in now from the side, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: we creep over the edge and look down to this
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: bowl and here is like, I don't know, like an
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Alaskan Eden, this perfect landscape, bright green, open meadows with
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: scattered trees and boulders and deer everywhere. There's does feeding
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: over here. There's bucks feeding over there, there's does better there,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: there's a buck better over there, there's two bucks fighting here.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: There's just every different place you looked there was deer
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: doing their thing, and you're viewing it all from like
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: a bird's eye view. I'm way at the top of
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: the mountain looking down at the deer. I don't know.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: It was like being a drone looking over all top
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: of her beat. Like I said, a bird's I view
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: an eagle flying over top of this scene. It was
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: really kind of bizarre to experience and see deer from
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: this perspective and just absolutely beautiful. So we're up there
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and I'm just watching. Bijorn's like, well, you're gonna shoot one,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: and I know, I was kind of like, I don't
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: know if I want to shoot one. I don't know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I want to do in this situation.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I just kind of want to watch right now. So
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I just pulled up my binoculars and just watched for
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: a while and looked at all the different deer and
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: started wrestling with, you know, whether or not I wanted
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: to shoot one. And I'm trying to also figure out, like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: you know, are these young bucks, are these mature bucks?
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Or these big bucks? Are these small bucks? Is this
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: you know, is this the right situation to shoot one?
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Is it not? Is it too soon? Is it just right?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Is it? You know? Am I running out of time?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: All of these things started, you know, rushing through my head.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: After I first was taken aback by the whole thing
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: and took it in, that next phase was like, okay,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: now what I had all these different things I had
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to think about, And so I'm looking at deer and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Biora was kind of joking about how he never watched
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: deer so much in his life as he does when
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: it's with me. Because again, I'm taking my time with this.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: And as I'm sitting there thinking about stuff and debating
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: about whether or not I want to take one, clouds
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: rolled back in and we're just completely and everything's invisible again,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, like, ah, geez, I guess like mother
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Nature might just made the decision for me, because this
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: looked like a big cloud. It looked like everything was cloudy.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And it's funny how when you're in it, it feels
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: like everything is cloudy and socked in. It kind of
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: looks like, okay, this is everywhere. But somehow, every time
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I ever got to thinking that, relatively quickly it would
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: open up and then you realized you were just in
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: this little world that felt that way, but there's a
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: much larger world around you that was open. And so
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: as we're all stocked in it's cloudy, I start to,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you know, chat with Beorn about kind of how you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: just started verbalizing what was inside my mind, how I
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: didn't want to end it too soon, but at the
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: same time I want I knew that we were running
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: out of time, and really what I wanted was ah
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: as I said earlier, like a good representative of the species,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: a mature buck. I didn't really care about the antlers.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I wanted a deer that was relatively mature, that would
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: you know, have, you know, a good bit of meat
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: and you know, be a good average illustration of what
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: blacktail deer are all about. That was kind of my
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: realistic goal for this trip. And so he says, well,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: you know there's probably at least one, if not two
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: down there that would be at least four. I was like, oh, really,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: like a four year old. That's you know, in my
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: world of white tails, like a four year old is
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: a pretty damn good deer. So he kind of explained it, like,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: you got to remember these are different, obviously different than
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: white tails, even different from black tail deer and Prince
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: of Wales Island or kodiak. These are smaller antler deer
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: up here because of the habitat and the elevation and everything.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: So you know, you gotta don't assess too much by
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: the antlers, which is a good reminder for us down
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: here in the lower forty eight two. So lucky, luck luckily,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm trying to say. Luckily, the clouds part
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: again and we can see everything again, and Jorn's like, yeah,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: like that one right down there, I bet you he's
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: a four year old. I have all this deer and
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: he is what I would call this, Well, they were
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: calling a fork. I would call a six pointer, almost
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: a seven pointer, because you kind of hang a ring.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: You know, in Michigan we say if you can hang
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: a ring on it, you can count as a point.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna call him a seven pointer. But like
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: you could tell, the antlers were heavier and darker than
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the other deer. His g twos were kind of thick
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: and bladed, which I thought was pretty cool. And then
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: he's got this pudgy belly and these deer, like I mentioned,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: they're short and stocky, and they're like they've got pot bellies.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So that kind of ended up being the way you
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: could tell if it was a mature deer because the
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: fat ones were those older bucks. So there ends up
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: being one of these pot belly deer that is relatively
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: close to me broadside and feeding, and two bucks are
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: like sparring right in front of him. It was like
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: very cool taking it all in. So when I see that,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and Beorna explained that was a mature bouck. Guy just said, okay,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you know what, that's that's the deer I want. Then,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: so got lined up, got comfortable. It was, you know,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: a perfect shooting position. Again, this is a rifle hunt,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: which is something I don't do a lot of, but enough.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: But was nice that I could be laying down. I
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: was like in a prone position, elbows on the ground,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I had a little bipod in the front of my rifles.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I had like great support and yeah, got a shot
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: in broadside, dropped him in his tracks. Absolutely gorgeous. You know,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: the whole thing was just gorgeous, and it was pretty wild.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was just like a marathon of a day.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Shot this blacktail got a really good, quick ethical kill.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: We hiked down off the mountain down into that bowl.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: We're able to recover the deer, do some work, and
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: then we kind of got to realize and like, oh, well,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: it's gonna get dark really quickly here and this is
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: super thick bear country. We're gonna have to either figure
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: we're going to figure out how to get this deer
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: out here quick and ideally not after dark. So we
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: just got to work skinning, quartering, packing, you know, gutting
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: ahead of all that, and you know, from Bjorn's perspective,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: the best thing would be to just get the deer
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: back to camp and then just do it fast and
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: you know, make some noise, have your gun close to you,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: have a bullet chambered while you're doing all this because
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: you don't want all this smell and blood and gust
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: to be around you, and then have your back to
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: a bear approaching. So you know, he chambered around and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of kept an eye on things while we
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: got to work. And fortunately, no bear problems, no issues.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: We got that deer all packed away. After dark. We
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: ended up having to hike in the dark, but that
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: was fine. Traversed around this mountain, got back to camp,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: and you know, there's no big trees up high in
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the alpine. There's that kind of scrubby stuff. So we
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: basically just had to hang the meat on these little
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: scrub pines like three feet off the ground, which was
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: not gonna help with bears at all, but it would
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: hopefully help with Martin's American Martins, which I guess can
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: be kind of aggressive and get into your food. So
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: we did that. Turns out that didn't help. We did
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: not have bear problems, but we did have a martin
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: get into my meat and eat some of the meat,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and he actually stole my knife. I had a Montana knife,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: like one of their ultra lights that has the handle
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: wrapped in para cord, and I'd use that to gut
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: my deer. So that paracord had soaked up a lot
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: of you know, just blood and bile and who knows
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: whatever else's liquids and stuff. So I'm sure it smelled
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: really bad and there's some dangling cord off of it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: So instead of putting that in my tent or something,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I just left it there with the meat on the
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: ground because I didn't want that in my tent and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: attract bears. So the next morning that when I go
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: over there to check the meat, not only was the
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: meat bag chewed up, but my knife gone. So my
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: assumption is that that martin took it, dragged it off somewhere,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: and it's hidden underneath some bush or in a hole
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: or something. But we actually follow the martin up in
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: the tree over top of us, just hanging out there watching,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: which was interesting. Cute little critter, but that was a hunt.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: That was the hunt well, the next morning we actually
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: hiked back up to the summit because we had a
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: little more time that day. Hiked up there and just
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: glassed that bowl and watched to see if a bear
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: would come on the gut pile. Nothing did, but we
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: saw a bunch of deer still in there, so I
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: got to watch some more deer, have some good chats,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: got to check out that Grandfather trail again. And then
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: that afternoon did the hike down the mountain back to
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the cabin. And that was a death march because now
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I've got a full deer in my back. Bjorn actually
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: shot a deer that morning too, so Bjorn had a
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: deer in his back and all of his backpacking and
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: hunting gear. I had a deer in my back and
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: all my backpacking and hunting gear, so heavy packs. Going
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: down this super steep, wet jungle mountain. Every step you're
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: like falling down and something or tripping on one of
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: these bushes. Your gun stuff, Your gun's getting caught up
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: in the Devil's club and hanging up on things. It
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: was just kind of a It was a trip, but
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: made it down and survived it. Just find grilled up
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: some backstrap and heart on the open fire that night.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Back of the cabin told a lot of good stories.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Colin and Bjorn had a lot of fun stuff to
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: share from their previous adventures, and it was just a
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: hell of a trip, a great experience. I learned that,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: you know, there's some things about deer that like deer deer, right,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: like white tails, black tails, mule deer, that there's some
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: things they share in common, you know, like they lived
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: by their noses. That was a big one, right, That
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: was something that kicked me in the butt on this
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: first stock. But at the same time, it's so interesting
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: to hunt these different versions of deer in these different
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: kinds of places, to see how they operate differently. You know,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: in this case, you know, these deer felt very comfortable
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: on the open because they're not used to humans messing
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: with them. So basically, if you could get to this place,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: you could find you know, virgin territory where deer were
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: being deer hanging out in these wide open meadows because
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: they weren't threatened by us, And that was cool to see.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I think one special thing about traveling to these still
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: wild places is that you get to see deer operating
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: as they did before they learned to associate, you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: humans with danger, and so I found that to be
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: really special and valuable and worthwhile to see. So I
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: just came await from this trip with a new found
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: respect for sick of blacktail deer, a new found respect
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: for the terrain they live in. I felt like when
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I had seen previous blacktail deer hunts, like on you know,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: people in Kodiak or Steve's hunts on Prince of Wales,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: it never looked that rugged. Maybe I just hadn't been
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: paying attention enough, but it always kind of seemed like
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: there's some kind of like nice easy hills and it
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: didn't seem like tough country. But at least this hunt,
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I felt like we were in some you know, we're
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: in some stuff. We're up there, you know, we're traversing
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: ridgeline that if I took one wrong step, I'd be
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: sliding down along ways. We are steep stuff with heavy packs.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: That you just had to respect the territory and respect
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: the deer that lived there, And that was eye opening
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: and impressive. So I took that away from this hunt too.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And I think if I were to, you know, provide
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: any kind of guidance for somebody who wanted to do
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: a black tail deer hunt themselves, you know, still having
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: relatively little experience myself, I would tell you a couple
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: of things. Number One, if you can find a way
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: to get to one of these places away from people,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: I think you're going to have a really special experience.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: That's first and foremost. So I talked to, you know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the people I talked to mentionally, Hey, it's different when
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: you're on a road system, and there is there are
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: places you can hunt black tails on the road system
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: in southeast Alaska and you can have success, but they're
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: they're going to be more like your white tails. They're
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: much more edgy, they're much more cover dependent, they're pressured,
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: and so you would have to hunt them like you
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: hunt pressure deer down here. But if you can find
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: a way to get a floatplane trip or a bush
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: plane and get dropped off into one of these places,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: and yet that does take some extra money and resources
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: in time, so that's not realistic in every situation. But
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: if you can get some bodies together and pull some
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: money to get that and go into one of these
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: places that's really off the beaten path. Even if it's
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: once in your lifetime to see these deer in their
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: natural environment doing the things they were doing three hundred,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: four hundred, five hundred years ago. It's, as far as
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I'm concerned, worth seeing once. And maybe it's not blacktail.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you are going to do one hunt like
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: this in Alaska or Canada or somewhere. Maybe it's caribal,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: maybe it's moose, maybe it's black bear. Whatever it is,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I would say that every hunter an angler, it would
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: be worse while if you could somehow save up the
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: money to go up to one of these places and
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: experience it just once, at least once in your life,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: just to see how it used to be. I think
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: that was one of the biggest epiphanies. I had. One
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: of the greatest things that kept coming up over and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: over and over again during my couple weeks up there.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: It was that we used to have this, We used
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: to have some version of this down in the lower
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: forty eight, whether it be millions and millions and millions
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: of salmon running up our rivers every year, or whether
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: it was great, big herds of deer that were relatively
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: comfortable in the open and feeding and not constantly on
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: edge and not constantly threatened. We used to have places
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: you could hike out and hunt in where there was
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: the most impressive predator in the world present all over
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the place. We used to have grizzlies and brown bears
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: all over the lower forty eight states. This was a
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: wild country and you had to respect that. And when
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: you walked across North Dakota, you were in grizzly country
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: and you were respecting the land and the wild critters
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: out there, and your senses were turned up to eleven
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: because you weren't at the top of the food chain.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't care what you think about that. It
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: changes the dynamic. It makes it more electric. And if
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: you've never spent time in brown bear or grizzly country,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that it changes your relationship with it.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: And I personally believe it changes it in a positive way,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: in a way that you are humbled by the landscape
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: and the animals around you, and because of that, you
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: appreciate it more. I don't know how to describe this
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: in any other kind of way, but imagine that kind
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: of feeling, like where you're driving down the highway and
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, like you witness a car
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: accident right in front of you, or someone swerves in
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: front of you and you almost hit them and you
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: just narrowly escape, or whatever. You get this massive adrenaline
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: dumb right, or some other thing almost happens to you,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: like a bad thing almost happens. You have this huge
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: rush of adrenaline, hyperventilating. Your whole body is on fire
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: for a second, right, for many of us, In those moments,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: your memory goes into hyperdriver, or you almost go into
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: a slow motion where like everything is clearer and crisper,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: and you remember it all. It like imprints into your
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: brain so perfectly. You can remember those moments as if
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: they were yesterday, as if it was a movie playing
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: out in your mind. Right, that's what happens in these
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: intense moments. Well, that same kind of thing, to a degree,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: occurs when you are in such a wild landscape that
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: you are no longer top of the pole, not top
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: of the totem pole. Right, Everything is more vivid, the
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: colors are richer, the sounds matter more, the smell are
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: more pungent. And that was like every day in Alaska
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: you felt like that. And so this is a long
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: winded way of saying that we used to have these
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: incredible wildlife populations and these wild, wild wild places and
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: these infinitely dark skies. This was everywhere down here, and
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: we've lost much of it. We still have pockets, We
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: still got our things. We still have white tailed deer,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: we still have elk, and it's incredible that we don't
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: bring these animals back. But it used to be so
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: much more and you can still experience it in British
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Columbia or Alaska or the Yukon, different places like this,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and I think it's worth seeing and worth remembering, worth
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: remembering that there's still stuff like that worth fighting for,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: and that we have so far to go still down
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: here in the lower forty eight. Like there's this risk
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: of shifting baseline syndrome, which we've talked about before, But
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: basically this idea is that every one of us, when
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: we're born and we're kids and we experienced the natural world,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: we kind of set our baseline of what wild is
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: from what we experience as young people. So what my
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: wild was is what I experienced in the nineties and
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: early two thousands that felt wild to me, those levels
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: of wildlife that felt good to me, right that was
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: my baseline, And if I didn't know anything else other
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: than that, I might think, well, that's how it used
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: to be, that was those of the good old days.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't know that. Fifty years prior to that,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: or eighty years prior to that, or one hundred and
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: fifty years prior to that, things were so much different,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: maybe so much wilder, maybe so much more undeveloped, so
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: many more animals. That baseline keeps changing, and we keep
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: accepting this new baseline because all we've personally ever known,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: so our new normal, though, might be god awful compared
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: to what the normal baseline was for someone twenty years before,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: and twenty years before and twenty years before. And so
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: by going up north to this place that was still
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: relative untouched, it was kind of a resetting of the
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: baseline for me, and I realized, and I was reminded
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: of the fact that, man, maybe if I had been
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: born two hundred years earlier, I would have seen this
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: down in northern Michigan or Montana. But we we lost
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of it. I'm very thankful we haven't lost
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: all of it, and I'm gonna fight hard to make
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: sure we don't lose the rest of it, but let's
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: make sure we don't screw up these last best places too,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: And I think it'd be worth, like I said, everyone
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: having that experience at least once. So that's one thought.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Second thought, Southeast Alaska's wet. That's no surprise. That's not
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: news to anyone's ears. That's been said many times before.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: But it's one thing to hear, it's another thing to
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: experience it. Make sure you've got really good rain gear.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Make sure you've got rain proof boots. I brought waterproof
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: leather boots, but I also brought knee high rubber boots
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: based on Berange recommendation, and I ended up wearing those
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: a lot, just like in day to day life around
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: the camp. Around Juno fishing, like was almost always in
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: the high rubber boots, and a lot of guys do
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: that there they're wearing their extra toughs and now I
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: understand why. So definitely bring rubber boots. Definitely bring the
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: best waterproof stuff you can bring. I had waterproof stuff, sacks,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: waterproof backpack liner for my big backpack, waterproof everything, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: it was needed. So recommend that, you know, definitely come
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: prepared for bears. That's again, that's nothing no surprise I
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: think for anybody. But I do think like you just
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: have to be really respectful of that fact in these
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: places that they're there. You don't need to fear them,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: you don't need to let them stop you from going
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: and experience in these places. You just have to respect
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: it and be properly prepared. And if I learned anything
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: from Bejorn, it was that it was that you need
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: to be prepared for all circumstances, but also understand that
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: they don't want to mess with you. Nine point nine
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: times out of ten, read their body language, talk to them,
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: avoid if need be, don't escalate the situation, and most
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: of the time they're gonna go on their way. So
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: so that was that was a good reminder. And I
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: brought bear spray. I had my rifle, of course, and
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: I also brought a ten milimeters pistol. And the key
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: thing is to always make sure you have stuff with
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: you like a gun or bear spray is never going
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: to do any good if it's in your backpack, on
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: your back, or if it's ten feet away while you're
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: taking a piss. Always have your thing. That was a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: key thing that Bjorn mentioned, like you know, don't even
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: go to the outhouse without spray or your pistol or
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: something like, always be prepared just in case. So that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: would be something else I would note for anyone planning
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: a trip like this for the first time. And I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: guess the last thing I would say, and again, this
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: is not like a thorough how to of this trip.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: These are just more some overarching thoughts. But the last
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: thing I would say is that this trip also I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: realized like an aft like looking back on it, and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Alaska in general is more accessible than maybe I realized.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I kind of always looked at Alaska as out of reach.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I kind of looked as like prohibitively expensive, like out
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: of my league. And by doing this trip, this is
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: my second time to Alaska and the most I've been
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: involved in like planning logistics and doing stuff myself, I
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: kind of realized that it's not that much different than
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: planning any other kind of big trip like this, like
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: whether it be going to the Rocky Mountains for the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: first time or going on a camping trip to the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Grand Canyon, whatever. Like there's planning, there's logistics, there's definitely
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: things you need to have, you know, in order and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: it definitely is an investment in some travel costs, but
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: not disproportionately more those other things, Like a plane ticket
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: up to Juno was no different than if I wanted
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: to take a plane ticket to California or something. So
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: I definitely came out of this trip realizing that I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: could do this more often, and I could take my
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: family there more often, Like this is not out of
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: my league, nor is it out of yours. And as
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: I said a few minutes ago, I think my big
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: thing is see it at least once, experience it at
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: least once. It's your country just as much as anybody else's,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: and it is an unbelievable gift that we still have
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: places like this. If we're going to keep places like this,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: we need to experience them so we can care about
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: them and know them enough to continue that fight. So
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: that is kind of where I end on this whole thing.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to getting back up there get I'm
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: looking forward to continue to follow what's going on in
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Alaska and caring about the issues up there in Alaska,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: just like I care about things down in here in
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Michigan or Idaho or Montana. You know, a couple things
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: worth noting if you are ever interested in going on
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: a black bear hunt in the Tongas National Forest, or
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: a deer hunt like this, or if you want to
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: go salmon fishing or do any of these things that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: are down there, we're just incredible opportunities for this stuff.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Pay close attention what's going on with the Tongus National Forest.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, this is an incredible place, seventeen million
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: acres I believe, but it has been in to varying
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: degrees at risk. A handful of years ago, the previous
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: presidential administration had removed the roadless rule protections from nine
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: million acres of this forest, So more than half of
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: the forest lost protections that had been placed on it
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: several decades prior. That kept this place from getting clear cut,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: That kept this place from getting new roads punched into
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: the last few places that don't have roads. This is
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: one of our last best wild places. And so they
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: had placed these roadless rule protections on it in the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: early two thousands that would protect those areas that had
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: not yet been carved up in clearcut, because a lot
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: of it had. And in those places there's all sorts
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: of like ecological ramifications and downsides, for example, in the
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: places that were clearcut, which again were big chunks. What
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: happens is that you clearcut a forest, and you know,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: down in the whitetail world, when we think about cutting trees,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: we think about benefits to wildlife, and there are some
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: immediate benefits when you cut trees in that you're getting
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: sunlight to the ground and new growth. Right. But clear cutting,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: especially in forested ecosystems up here up north especially has
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: you know, trickle down effects that are not so good.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: So in the immediate couple of years after that you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: would see better food available for blacktail deer. But blacktail
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: deer need old growth forests because they need protection from snows.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: They need to survive these gnarly, gnarly winters up there,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: and old growth high canopy forest is the habitat that
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: they need to survive that. Now, what happens is that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: when you get these clearcuts, they lose a bunch of
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: their wintering habitats. So that's bad, but they do some food.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: But then you have these clear cut areas that do
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: start growing back, and they start growing back very thick
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: and all the same level. So what you eventually have
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: is something called canopy exclusion, where these second growth forests
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: get to a point at I don't know, fifteen twenty five,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: thirty five years old, where they are forests. Again, they're
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: very thick forests, and they are completely dark forests on
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: the top, and so there's no sunlight that gets to
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: the bottom, and there's no diversity in the age structure
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: of the forest, and so there's no understory. And what
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: you have then is a deer desert. What deer need
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: there is old growth in which you have naturally occurring
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: diversity and aige structure of forests because you've got the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: big old trees that provide your winter cover and your canopy.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: But then there's dead and dying trees scattered throughout. So
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: you get these different pockets and openings where sunlight does
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: come in, and so you get understory and you get
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: over story, and so what you want is a balance
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: of both of those things. There are examples where there's
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: been like wildlife thinnings coming into these second growth force
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: and trying to recreate that. So trying to create some
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: pockets and open up things a little bit, and that's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: a good thing, but the big thing is we can't
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: have these clear cuts happening again that are not only
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: bad for blacktail deer, but they're also bad for salmon.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: They're bad for the streams, they're bad for the trout,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: all the different fish species in these rivers. When you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: clearcut these rivers, you remove the habitat that's preserving the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: banks of the streams. You get siltation and dirt and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: erosion and all stuff rushes into the rivers. It covers
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: up the gravel beds that spawn that salmon need to spawn.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: All sorts of different kind of trickled on effects from it.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: So this is my rambling way of saying that the
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: roadless Rule has been something that has been very good
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: for fish and wildlife in that area. We had it
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: for a while. It was taken away in like two
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: thousand and I can't remember eighteen or nineteen or something
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: like that. But then again they were put back in
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: place recently a year or two ago, so we have
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: those roless rule protections on the tongus. Again, there are
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: work that's work being done to have better habitat for
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: deer and for fish. They're doing some of this wildlife
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: fitting work. They're trying to find ways to have some
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: level of timber harvest because hey, we need some logging,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: we need jobs, we need that, we need managed habitat
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: for wildlife. That's a good thing, but we need to
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: do it in such a way that it's not going
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: to destroy the habitat, that's not going to level these things,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: that's going to still preserve the wild spots that we
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: have left. So I'm very much in supportive of the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: roleless rule. I would suggest you learn about it because
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: you know the political pendulum swings, and I would not
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: be surprised if we see a debate come up about
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: these things again in the future. And if you want
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: to chase blacktail deer someday or go see this place someday,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: you won't experience the same thing I did if we
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: lose those protections. And I hope if you've listened to
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: this you can see the value in protecting these places
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: and hopefully being able to see them someday self too.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: So that is the story of my Alaskan deer hunt.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: I actually got to stay around for about another just
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: a little less than another week, and got to go
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: in a whole nother excursion learning about salmon and the
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: issues impacting salmon. I got to do some saltwater fishing
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: in the ocean. I caught caught coho salmon. I saw
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: humpback whales. I went to Bristol Bay. I caught massive
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: rainbow trout, the biggest grailing I've ever seen in my life,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: pink salmon. Just all sorts of really, really fascinating things.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I learned about, some incredible places, some incredible animals, and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: once again I'm just more fired up than ever to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: do whatever i can to keep these places wild, to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: keep these wild animals out there, and to make sure
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: that all of us and our kids can experience these
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: things someday in the future as well. So that's my story.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sticking to it. Hope you enjoyed this one, and
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: if you have any questions, you know, hit me up
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram or social media. I'll try to answer some
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  Speaker 2: questions here in the coming days and weeks about this
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: hunt and about this experience, if there's any of you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: that want to try something similar in the future. But
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's it for today. Starting next week, we'll
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: be right back into our usual Whitetail content. The season's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: kicking off here in Michigan in just a handful of days,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm about to get real serious about white tails.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you are too, so until then, best of luck.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: If you are out there hunting already, you know, dot
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  Speaker 2: your eyes, cross your t's. If you're getting ready for
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the season to start here in a couple of days,
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  Speaker 2: shoot your bow. And until next time, my friends, stay
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: wired to hunt.