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The Kenny Report | 27 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report. Thanks, Ross.
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  Speaker 2: Sticking on the cricket analogies, it sure wasn't cricket in
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  Speaker 2: Canberra today. A new low as a one-time Labor senator
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  Speaker 2: uses the Helen Haynes tragedy to push for extra-political staff entitlements.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC under fire over a former freelancer it hired
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  Speaker 2: in Gaza identified as a military operative for the Hamas
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  Speaker 2: terrorist group. Small business fighting back against Anthony Albanese while
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  Speaker 2: he's on the back foot over that $ 6 million.
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  Speaker 1: Handout to his local golf club.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump now sparring with Barack Obama as the US
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  Speaker 2: midterm campaigning ramps up. Kristen Tate will join us from
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  Speaker 2: the US. All that plus Stephen Senatiempo and Michelle Stevenson
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  Speaker 2: on your taxes and breastfeeding men.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, boy, the political class is not getting any better,
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  Speaker 1: is it? Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: If you want to get some of our worst politicians
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  Speaker 2: really riled up and passionate, just mess with their entitlements
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  Speaker 2: or their perceived entitlements. Independent Senator Fatima Payman gets five
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  Speaker 2: full-time staff members. That's the standard allotment, can you believe?
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  Speaker 2: Five people working full-time to support one obscure senator from
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  Speaker 2: Western Australia.
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  Speaker 1: But Senator Payman wants more.
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Well, essentially because some other senators get extra staff, so.
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  Speaker 1: She wants more too.
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  Speaker 2: And frustrated at the lack of response from the Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 2: this senator made her case in the most appalling way.
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  Speaker 5: My staff are burning out. They can't take this any longer.
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  Speaker 5: And is the Prime Minister waiting for something like what
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  Speaker 5: happened to Dr Helen Haynes to occur to my office,
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  Speaker 5: to me, for him to take our request seriously?
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
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  Speaker 2: Look, it's been pretty sickening to see a range of
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  Speaker 2: politicians use the tragedy of the Helen Haynes attack to
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  Speaker 2: push their particular agenda.
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  Speaker 1: But this takes the cake, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Senator Payman is actually attempting to use a fellow parliamentarian's
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  Speaker 2: life-threatening and life-changing trauma to boost her personal staffing arrangements,
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  Speaker 2: as if staffing levels are even relevant, as if more
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  Speaker 2: staff would have prevented an alleged attack on Haynes in
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  Speaker 2: a public car park unpacking her boot. This is just
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  Speaker 2: a grotesque effort from Senator Payman, who was given an
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  Speaker 2: immediate opportunity to back down.
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  Speaker 5: My staff are burning out. They can't take this any longer.
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  Speaker 5: And is the Prime Minister waiting for something like what
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  Speaker 5: happened to Dr Helen Haynes to occur to my office,
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  Speaker 5: to me, for him to take our request seriously?
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  Speaker 6: Look, I.
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  Speaker 7: I personally think that's an outrageous suggestion, Senator Payman. Senator Payman,
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  Speaker 7: go further and withdraw that suggestion about the Prime Minister's
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  Speaker 7: motivation because it's absolutely not the case.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I would love to have a response from the
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  Speaker 5: Prime Minister and then I'll withdraw it.
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  Speaker 7: I've said, well, that's not what I'm requesting. I'm requesting
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  Speaker 7: that you.
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  Speaker 1: Withdraw it now.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not withdrawing anything.
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  Speaker 2: Look, a couple of points here. As terrible as Payman is...
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  Speaker 2: Labor only has itself to blame. They put her into
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  Speaker 2: Parliament four years ago when the 27-year-old activist was given
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  Speaker 2: the number three spot on their Senate ticket in Western
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  Speaker 2: Australia because they didn't expect to win it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she won.
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  Speaker 2: She became a senator. Then she broke ranks with Labor
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  Speaker 2: over Palestine and went.
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  Speaker 1: Her own way.
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  Speaker 2: And Labor has tried to curry favour with other independents
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  Speaker 2: now by throwing them an extra two or even an
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  Speaker 2: extra three staffers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why not?
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  Speaker 2: They're probably figuring the Labor ranks. It's only taxpayers' money.
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  Speaker 2: So Payman wants more too. Now, this is the worst
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  Speaker 2: of politics, what Paul Keating would have called the unrepresentative
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  Speaker 2: swill of the Senate. Independents up there with nothing useful
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  Speaker 2: to do or say, no need for the five staff
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  Speaker 2: they already have, and sticking their hands out for more.
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  Speaker 2: And if they're denied, well, then they show us their
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  Speaker 2: real class. Too many senators are elected under party banners too,
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  Speaker 2: and then when they break faith with voters, they're by
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  Speaker 2: going their own way and being independents or switching parties.
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  Speaker 2: How poorly we're served by so many of our elected representatives.
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  Speaker 1: But not all of them, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, the woman whose fate was misappropriated in this controversy,
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  Speaker 2: Helen Haynes, is one of those who agree or disagree
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  Speaker 2: with her on the issues we all know works hard
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  Speaker 2: for her community, as so many other MPs do too.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that politicians like Payman do a bit of
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  Speaker 2: brand damage to all of them. The ABC has admitted
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  Speaker 2: it's investigating whether it hired a Hamas terrorist in Gaza
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  Speaker 2: as part of its coverage of the Middle East. The
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  Speaker 2: national broadcaster hired Roshi Sarraj to file video from Gaza
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  Speaker 2: for reports after the October 7th atrocities in southern Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Sarraj was killed two weeks later when Israeli Defence Forces
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  Speaker 2: began their assault against Hamas. At the time, the ABC's
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  Speaker 2: 7.30 program host, Sarah Ferguson, commemorated Sarraj and ABC staff
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  Speaker 2: and unionists gathered for memorials and to criticise the ABC
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  Speaker 2: for not doing more to recognise him, as well as
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  Speaker 2: to protest about so-called journalists being killed by the IDF.
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  Speaker 2: But in recent weeks, the IDF has included Sarraj on
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  Speaker 2: a list of 170 people claiming to be media workers
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  Speaker 2: who have been killed in Gaza but were actually Hamas operatives.
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  Speaker 2: Sarraj is listed as a military operative of the Islamist
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  Speaker 2: terrorist outfit. The ABC was quizzed on this in Senate
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  Speaker 2: estimates today.
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  Speaker 9: It's incumbent on you to ensure that you're not hiring
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  Speaker 9: journalists who work for terrorist organisations. Mr Fang. This person
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  Speaker 9: has been identified as a fighter in the Hamas military wing,
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  Speaker 9: Mr Rushdie Al Sarraj.
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  Speaker 6: Have you.
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  Speaker 7: Investigated that at all?
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  Speaker 6: As I said, Senator, that is not the information that
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  Speaker 6: we have been able to ascertain. Until we hear otherwise,
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  Speaker 6: I think he remains a person listed as a journalist.
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  Speaker 6: We have attempted to get some clarification from the IDF
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  Speaker 6: about their position on this and as yet they have
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  Speaker 6: not provided us with any evidence to suggest otherwise that
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  Speaker 6: person was a legitimate journalist that was tragically killed.
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  Speaker 9: And what evidence do you have to support that given
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  Speaker 9: this person was on an IDF list? of people associated
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  Speaker 9: with Hamas.
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  Speaker 6: We have asked for further evidence from the IDF and
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  Speaker 6: until we are able to find something that goes to
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  Speaker 6: the veracity of that claim, I don't think it's incumbent
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  Speaker 6: on us to make a decision to declare that that
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  Speaker 6: person was a member of Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: Typical ABC, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: They parrot Hamas propaganda day in, day out for years,
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  Speaker 2: but now they don't even accept the findings, the verifiable findings.
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  Speaker 1: Of the Israeli Defence Forces.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC's coverage of the Middle East has been biased
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  Speaker 2: and deliberately misleading.
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  Speaker 1: It's attributed killings to.
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  Speaker 2: The IDF when the facts revealed they were carried out
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  Speaker 2: by terrorist groups in Gaza. It's demonised Israel and it's
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  Speaker 2: run false claims about famine, deliberate starvation and so-called genocide.
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  Speaker 2: It downplayed anti-Semitism here in the hateful lead-up.
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  Speaker 1: To the Bondi massacre.
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  Speaker 2: And its staff-elected board member, no less, even told viewers
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  Speaker 2: that that massacre had nothing to do with religion. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: should surprise us about the ABC's coverage of these issues
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  Speaker 2: and the way it foments hatred and division. Yet the
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  Speaker 2: ABC tells us that when it comes to rising threats
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  Speaker 2: and abuse in politics in Australia, the problem is One
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  Speaker 2: Nation cartoons.
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  Speaker 1: Please.
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  Speaker 2: Let's head down to Canberra now and catch up with
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  Speaker 2: Zoe McKenzie, who's the Shadow Cabinet Secretary.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Zoe.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start off on the Prime Minister and the $ 6
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  Speaker 2: million grant to his golf club. He seemed to be
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  Speaker 2: very much on the defensive today, telling us that having
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  Speaker 2: to revise, really, you forced him to revise.
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  Speaker 1: He said part of that was to pay for a
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  Speaker 1: sewerage upgrade. Not the case.
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  Speaker 8: Yep, to fix the lose or not to fix the lose,
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  Speaker 8: that is the question. So it's not really clear, is it?
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  Speaker 8: The Prime Minister's been running and hiding on this particular
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  Speaker 8: question in relation to a golf course that he says
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  Speaker 8: he knows nothing about, but then we've got photos of
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  Speaker 8: him being at various functions there. It's a bit of
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  Speaker 8: a doozy, this one. And, of course, Catherine King was
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  Speaker 8: asked about that grants program on the weekend and I
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  Speaker 8: think had a reasonably uncomfortable conversation about retrofitting Commonwealth grants
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  Speaker 8: systems to match promises made by Labor candidates and indeed
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  Speaker 8: that the lion's share of all that money went unsurprisingly
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  Speaker 8: into Labor seats, in fact more than their numbers in
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  Speaker 8: the chamber would represent. It is what it is. We're
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  Speaker 8: asking the questions as we should. The Prime Minister is
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  Speaker 8: refusing to answer them as he always does. We'll just
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  Speaker 8: call that Tuesday in Canberra, shall we?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's such an obvious and blatant case of
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  Speaker 2: electoral pork barrelling with taxpayers' money. Let's have a look
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  Speaker 2: at some of that exchange in Parliament today.
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  Speaker 10: Will the Prime Minister give Australians a straight answer amid
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  Speaker 10: he misled the House and correct the record?
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  Speaker 11: This is a local club owned by the council, past 62...
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  Speaker 11: The funding was going to be for sewerage. The New
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  Speaker 11: South Wales government have stepped in, which is appropriate given
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  Speaker 11: that New South Wales run water and sewerage.
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  Speaker 1: Why won't the Prime Minister admit that he was wrong?
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  Speaker 1: During election campaigns, people make commitments. I have said that
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  Speaker 1: was not correct. It was not correct.
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  Speaker 11: The state government have moved in and are funding the project.
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  Speaker 2: Chiefers, wouldn't you love to take him down there for
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  Speaker 2: a hit of golf now? He'll be regretting that $ 6 million.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they'll ever see him.
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  Speaker 2: Down there for a round of golf or a beer.
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  Speaker 2: It's very embarrassing for him. And, of course, the connection to.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I'd rather take him.
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  Speaker 6: Sorry?
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather take them to my footy clubs.
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  Speaker 8: And I'd rather take them to my footy clubs and
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  Speaker 8: to my loos that need to be replaced because we've
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  Speaker 8: got hundreds of them down on the peninsula. You know,
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  Speaker 8: we still have a great electorate where we run around
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  Speaker 8: and play footy and play netball and play cricket. And
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  Speaker 8: I've got stands and clubhouses falling into the dirt. So,
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  Speaker 8: Prime Minister, have I got a trip for you to
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  Speaker 8: include the loos.
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  Speaker 2: What about my local junior footy club, which is only
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  Speaker 2: a few Ks from Albanese's electorate? We don't even have
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  Speaker 2: change rooms for the young boys and girls to get
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  Speaker 2: dressed in, and they're tearing up the parklands and.
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  Speaker 1: Spending millions elsewhere. It's just disgraceful.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let me bring this back to the bigger picture,
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  Speaker 2: and that is while this is playing out, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the economic forecasts are disastrous. We're going to get new
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  Speaker 2: inflation figures tomorrow. Everyone's expecting them to be too high again,
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  Speaker 2: which means we're likely to be hit by another interest
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  Speaker 2: rate increase on Melbourne Cup Day.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed.
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  Speaker 8: So we would expect one on Cup Day and possibly
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  Speaker 8: even another one by the end of the year. I
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  Speaker 8: had a small-to-medium business roundtable on Friday afternoon with Tim
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  Speaker 8: Wilson in my electorate, put together by the Committee for
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  Speaker 8: Frankston and the Mornington Peninsula. People are doing it so hard.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment.
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  Speaker 8: Normally at this time of year, everyone's just holding on
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  Speaker 8: for summer, right? Because it's sort of an 80-20 economy.
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  Speaker 8: People make most of their money in the summertime. It's
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  Speaker 8: not this looking forward to.
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  Speaker 1: Summer and hoping to get through.
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  Speaker 8: It's really can I even get to summer for some
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  Speaker 8: of them at the moment? It's just so difficult, mostly
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  Speaker 8: in relation to red tape and regulation. but equally industrial
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  Speaker 8: relations laws that are almost impossible to navigate and changes
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  Speaker 8: to tax laws. Because right now they're all running to
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  Speaker 8: their accountants and lawyers saying, what do I do? What
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  Speaker 8: do I need to do? How do I restructure? And
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  Speaker 8: the answer is invariably, we can't tell you. We don't
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  Speaker 8: have all the data. We don't have all the delegated
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  Speaker 8: legislation that's going to sit under it, the codes that
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  Speaker 8: are going to sit under it. We can't really tell
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  Speaker 8: you what to do. So there's this terrible unknown in
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  Speaker 8: terms of cost. are terrible unknown in terms of future
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  Speaker 8: architecture of the business and that notion of just can
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  Speaker 8: I get to summer, let alone can I make enough
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  Speaker 8: money in summer to survive for the rest.
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  Speaker 1: Of the year. Yeah, it's shocking in small business at
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  Speaker 1: the moment.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a small business rep joining us in the
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  Speaker 2: program later on to go into detail about some of
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  Speaker 2: those pressure factors that you've mentioned. The other side of
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  Speaker 2: this too is what the government's doing with its spending
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  Speaker 2: and we've highlighted on this program for a long while
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  Speaker 2: the blowout in government spending and the incredible increase, more
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  Speaker 2: than 45,000 additional federal public servants have since Labor came
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  Speaker 2: to power just four years ago. And John Howard, no less,
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  Speaker 2: has called this out today. I mean, it's just killing
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  Speaker 2: the economy because there's more of us having to pay
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  Speaker 2: more tax to fund more public servants who don't seem
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  Speaker 2: to be adding to the efficiency of government services at all.
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  Speaker 1: Mm.
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  Speaker 8: Sorry, indeed, that is the case. So Mr Howard hasn't
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  Speaker 8: indeed been out today. And we've been lucky in the
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  Speaker 8: last few weeks. We had Matthias Korman, I think he
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  Speaker 8: was in Australia last weekend, with a great set of
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  Speaker 8: recommendations for how we get productivity moving. Productivity is the key.
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  Speaker 8: And more public servants? Newsflash for the Labor Party. More
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  Speaker 8: public servants productivity does not make. So we need to
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  Speaker 8: reinvest back into the private sector. We need to restart businesses.
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  Speaker 8: We need to give people confidence. Negative equity in the
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  Speaker 8: mortgages that sit behind small businesses, let me tell you,
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  Speaker 8: that does not give you confidence. So good to have
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  Speaker 8: Mr Howard out there calling a spade a spade. I
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  Speaker 8: know you had Peter Dutton on your show last night.
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  Speaker 8: talking about the Coalition's leadership in online safety when we
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  Speaker 8: actually did that right, fit for purpose, and it achieved
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  Speaker 8: its results. I've just been speaking on the Digital Duty
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  Speaker 8: of Care Bill, which, of course, follows up a social
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  Speaker 8: media ban that hasn't worked at all. And they expect
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  Speaker 8: us to trust them on a digital duty of care
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  Speaker 8: that equally won't work. It's an incompetent government. It's a
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  Speaker 8: fat government. It's a bloated government. It's a wasteful government.
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  Speaker 8: And the Australian people are looking forward to first changing
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  Speaker 8: the government in Victoria on the 28th of November and
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  Speaker 8: then bring on May 2028.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Peter Dutton, if there's anything he's remembered for
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  Speaker 2: in politics, it's for his time as a minister being
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  Speaker 2: strong on borders and strong on crime in this country.
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  Speaker 2: And there was an issue raised today in Parliament that
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  Speaker 2: would be alarming to so many Australians and having them
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  Speaker 2: scratching their heads with a refugee who's come to this country,
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  Speaker 2: a convicted serial rapist, including of a 13-year-old girl, yet
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  Speaker 2: they can't get rid of him from the country.
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  Speaker 1: What's going on there?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I listened to Tony Burke today and he
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  Speaker 8: was basically saying there's a process we have to go through. Well,
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  Speaker 8: of course, the process we go through reflects the laws
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  Speaker 8: that are in place. And I'm sure if they need
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  Speaker 8: to change those laws, that this side of the chamber
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  Speaker 8: will be willing to have a conversation about it. It's
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  Speaker 8: a terrible excuse to say, sorry, sorry, sorry, the public
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  Speaker 8: needs to stay at risk because we've got process A,
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  Speaker 8: then B, then C, all the way down through to Z.
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  Speaker 8: So if you need help to make tougher laws, you know,
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  Speaker 8: we've been on the front foot since... since October 7, 2023,
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  Speaker 8: saying more needs.
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  Speaker 7: To be done.
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  Speaker 8: And, in fact, since that time, all they've done is
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  Speaker 8: bring in more migrants, in fact, in many cases, without
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  Speaker 8: doing the appropriate checks.
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  Speaker 1: So Tony Burke's got a lot.
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  Speaker 8: To answer for in this space, as we've rightfully highlighted
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  Speaker 8: in the chamber today.
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  Speaker 1: Spot on.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Zoe. Appreciate it. Zoe McKenzie there,
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  Speaker 2: the member for Flinders.
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  Speaker 1: In Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Western Victoria now and catch up with
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  Speaker 2: Tim Blair from The Daily Telegraph.
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  Speaker 1: And, Tim, speaking of Tony Burke, you've lined him up in.
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  Speaker 2: Your column this week because a lot of people like
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  Speaker 2: to pick on the One Nation candidates and slip-ups from
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  Speaker 2: One Nation, and you make the point that on.
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  Speaker 1: The government ranks, even on their front bench, there are
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  Speaker 1: plenty of doofers.
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  Speaker 12: It's absolutely the case with Burke, though, that he doesn't
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  Speaker 12: so much slip up as deliberately walk into things.
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  Speaker 13: Like, he.
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  Speaker 12: his errors, if you want to call them errors, they're deliberate.
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  Speaker 12: He honestly gets up there and says the dumbest things,
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  Speaker 12: all for an electoral purpose, I suppose, but then expects
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  Speaker 12: to just wander away as though he's done nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 12: He's the sleeper liability in this government. A lot of
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  Speaker 12: people have Chris Bowen ahead of him. Tony Burke's given
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  Speaker 12: him a pretty good run.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're very similar.
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  Speaker 2: Both of them appear very confident and even arrogant in
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  Speaker 2: front of the cameras, but what they actually say is
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  Speaker 2: disastrous for the government. And there's a couple of points
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  Speaker 2: that you've highlighted.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the clips here. Here's Tony Burke.
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  Speaker 14: I've never accepted the word assimilation. I don't want people
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  Speaker 14: to lose who they are. We want people for who
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  Speaker 14: they are. I've never subscribed to that sort of melting
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  Speaker 14: pot concept that your whole identity is meant to be dissolved.
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  Speaker 2: So he doesn't want us all sort of being Australian.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to keep us as separate as possible. Is
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: that what he's saying?
• 18:16
  Speaker 12: He's literally saying this. He doesn't believe in a multi-body.
• 18:19
  Speaker 12: He doesn't believe in assimilation. He doesn't believe, in other words...
• 18:23
  Speaker 12: that people watching that interview with him should understand what
• 18:26
  Speaker 12: he's talking about, who don't get what assimilation means, let
• 18:30
  Speaker 12: alone practice it. It's an extraordinary thing to say, especially
• 18:33
  Speaker 12: given that he's saying these things after Bondi, after the
• 18:38
  Speaker 12: growth of anti-Semitism in Australia over the past four or
• 18:40
  Speaker 12: five years. It's extraordinary that he smiles through it because
• 18:45
  Speaker 12: he's got to realise really at the core of what
• 18:47
  Speaker 12: he's saying is he doesn't believe in a bonded nation
• 18:51
  Speaker 12: state that has core values below all of our superficial
• 18:55
  Speaker 12: differences that there are values upon which we can all subscribe. Yep.
• 18:59
  Speaker 12: And no, no, no, just bring whatever attitude you've got
• 19:02
  Speaker 12: and we're all, it's all Jake, we're sweet.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I love the melting pot and I love the song
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: about it. What, late 60s, early 70s? Was it blue
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: pink or shocking blue? Anyway, the melting pot, we'll dig
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: it out at some time, although we're not allowed to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: play music apparently. But just to show that, yeah, this
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: was no accident from Tony Burke.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: This is really what he thinks. Here's another clip of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: along similar lines?
• 19:24
  Speaker 14: Some countries describe themselves as a melting pot. It's not
• 19:27
  Speaker 14: a term I ever use of Australia. In a melting pot,
• 19:31
  Speaker 14: anything you throw into it loses its shape and dissolves.
• 19:34
  Speaker 14: I view our nation very much through the shape of
• 19:37
  Speaker 14: an orchestra. It's a pretty bad orchestra when everything's the
• 19:41
  Speaker 14: same instrument.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Just a shocker.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And I've just checked on my phone, Tim, it's Blue Mink,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Blue Mink, Melting Pot.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: It's a great song.
• 19:49
  Speaker 12: What's the YouTube numbers on that one, Spike, in the
• 19:52
  Speaker 12: next quarter.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Of an hour? You'll like the sentiment as well. But
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it is a problem.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I love your hook for this column today because you're
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: talking about everybody focusing on One Nation slip-ups and One
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Nation candidate choices. And I agree this will be a
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: problem for them. It will continue to be a problem.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: For One Nation.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: But I put this to Pauline Hanson earlier in the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: year and I thought she gave one of her best
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: answers to a pointed question with her response to me
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to find a hell of a
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: lot of candidates around the country, and I predict you'll
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: end up with some doozies that will embarrass you.
• 20:32
  Speaker 15: Chris, we haven't done that in the last couple of elections.
• 20:34
  Speaker 15: You know, we've run the candidates beforehand, but the process
• 20:37
  Speaker 15: that we have now is very good. We've got Barnaby
• 20:40
  Speaker 15: that's there at the moment. I tell you what, all
• 20:42
  Speaker 15: of us, or the whole lot of them, the political
• 20:45
  Speaker 15: party's going to answer for some of the doozies they've
• 20:47
  Speaker 15: had over the years, I can tell you. And the
• 20:49
  Speaker 15: biggest doozy the Labor Party has at the moment is
• 20:51
  Speaker 15: Chris Bowen. So don't tell me that about my candidates.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Spot on.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You're right, they've all had some doozies before. Yeah, it
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: almost pre-empted your column.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah. She's dead right, isn't she?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, sure, we can criticise One Nation when they
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: staff up or have bad candidates, but by God, the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: major parties have got a lot to be desired.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: It really does.
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: I mean, it shows that, you know, the value of journalism,
• 21:15
  Speaker 12: tough questions give you good, tough answers. Just on questions
• 21:18
  Speaker 12: and answers, by the way, just to address what you
• 21:20
  Speaker 12: were talking before about the ABC, I think everyone should
• 21:23
  Speaker 12: reflect on the fact that the ABC is far more critical...
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: of members of Australia's military than they are of the
• 21:29
  Speaker 12: Palestinian military. Just consider that for a while. They're far
• 21:32
  Speaker 12: more critical of people who have served under the Australian
• 21:35
  Speaker 12: flag than they are of people who have served for Hamas.
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: That's where the ABC is at the moment.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way of framing it. It's just
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: disgusting what they're doing. And they still won't admit that
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: they've been paying a Hamas terrorist to supply... Media footage
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and information back here to Australia, just extraordinary. Now, another
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: one who is constantly in your sights, as he should be,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: is Chris Bowen. Remember, here's what he told us it
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: would cost us as taxpayers to host his cop talks
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: in the Pacific.
• 22:09
  Speaker 16: Well, certainly it is a good spread of Australia's taxpayers' money.
• 22:11
  Speaker 16: This is our most important diplomatic engagement in the Pacific,
• 22:14
  Speaker 16: certainly this term, probably for longer than this term. It's
• 22:18
  Speaker 16: out of the $ 147 million allocation in the budget for
• 22:21
  Speaker 16: increased Pacific engagement on climate issues. That's a good thing.
• 22:26
  Speaker 16: The reports of around $ 20 million are in the ballpark.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Now, he must have known it was more than that then, Tim.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It was $ 34 million.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So what is it, a $ 14 million difference? That's around
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the ballpark?
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: Eh, you know, whatever, you know. Just a few more
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: extra dozen million dollars here or there. I'm no body
• 22:47
  Speaker 12: language expert. In fact, probably nobody is, really, but... But
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: I did like the fact that he was trying to
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: tell us that something was a positive while he's doing this.
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: You know, he's like, oh, and this is really good
• 22:58
  Speaker 12: value for the Australian people. This is the best. Oh,
• 23:01
  Speaker 12: you can bet that the money was well spent. It's
• 23:05
  Speaker 12: a bit of a tell. You'd love to play poker
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: against this bloke, wouldn't you?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: You sure would.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: And that's breaking news from you that even the body
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: language experts.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: are not body language experts, I think you might be right.
• 23:16
  Speaker 12: It's a bit of a bogus thing, yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of a bogus film. They pop up
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: every now and then when we need them. Have a
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: look at this, though.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Our good friend Kamala Harris has been out campaigning, and
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: as we've noticed before, she tends to adopt the accent
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: of whatever part of America she's in.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: We've been sitting back feeling like, I can't do anything
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: about this.
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: I'm feeling powerless.
• 23:37
  Speaker 17: I'm feeling hopeless.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling alone.
• 23:39
  Speaker 13: Don't feel that way anymore. Hey, guys, that phase is over.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for her to come to Australia. So, g'day, mate.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: How are you going? How are they hanging?
• 24:02
  Speaker 12: Well, that's the thing. She already did. She spoke in
• 24:04
  Speaker 12: Brisbane a little while ago at a real estate conference.
• 24:07
  Speaker 12: And I've never seen any footage of it, but you're
• 24:09
  Speaker 12: exactly right. She's more like, you know, who's up for
• 24:12
  Speaker 12: a bit of flake and chips? She might be a
• 24:15
  Speaker 12: One Nation candidate when she shows up again in Brisbane,
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: for sure. But the absolute pandering of this sort of thing,
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: and the Democrats in the US have a real tradition
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: of it. Hillary Clinton, too, was capable of vocal differences,
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: I suppose, when she moved to between different regions in
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: the South and the North and the US. So, yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: it's a bit of... It never works as well. It
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: always gets exposed and you look like more of an idiot.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: That's for sure. Well, see you later, mate. See you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: later in the week. Tim Blair, you're reading stuff in
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the Daily Telegraph. We've got to get to a break.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to catch up on
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: small business. As I mentioned earlier, we've got a small
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: business representative to talk to us about the problems they're
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: going through and what sort of a hearing they're getting
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: from the government. Small businesses fighting back against Labor's budget
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and its tax changes that came down in the budget.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: A delegation of business owners has travelled to Canberra and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: yesterday they met with Angus Taylor and they're looking to
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: meet with Jim Chalmers as well. One of those in
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the delegation was guest, my next guest, he's a mortgage
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: broker and he's part of the Stop the Ambition tax.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: He's the spokesperson, Joseph Dowd. Joseph, thanks for joining us.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I know you got to speak.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: With the Coalition.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: We've caught up with other members of your group before.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: How did you go catching up with the government? Did
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: they give you a hearing?
• 25:41
  Speaker 18: Mate, we actually got a meeting with Jim Chalmers yesterday,
• 25:45
  Speaker 18: Treasurer Chalmers, and Small Business Minister Anne Arleigh.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Terrific.
• 25:49
  Speaker 18: And I have to tell you, I have to tell you,
• 25:51
  Speaker 18: after meeting with the Liberals, the Nationals, One Nation, the
• 25:55
  Speaker 18: Independents and Treasurer Chalmers... It seems like all of them
• 25:59
  Speaker 18: really understand small business. The only person that's really not
• 26:01
  Speaker 18: getting it is the Prime Minister. So when I met
• 26:04
  Speaker 18: with him earlier in the year, he tried to deflect
• 26:07
  Speaker 18: as much as possible. But Treasurer Chalmers, he actually seemed
• 26:10
  Speaker 18: like a good guy and he actually looked like he
• 26:12
  Speaker 18: was listening.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's one thing if he's listening and he's
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a good guy. Does he understand the pressures on small business, though?
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And has he undertaken to do anything.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: To help you? I'm going to be honest with you.
• 26:26
  Speaker 18: When I walked in there, it seemed like he was
• 26:29
  Speaker 18: just taking orders and he was like, yep, let's have
• 26:31
  Speaker 18: the meeting.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 26:32
  Speaker 18: But I kind of noticed something about Jim. He's a
• 26:35
  Speaker 18: family person first. And when I explained to him where
• 26:37
  Speaker 18: I was coming from, who I was leaving behind back
• 26:39
  Speaker 18: in Sydney, and I actually looked him in the eye
• 26:41
  Speaker 18: and I said, mate, I don't want to be here,
• 26:44
  Speaker 18: but I'm here for my small business owners, the ones
• 26:46
  Speaker 18: that I take care of and the clients I take
• 26:48
  Speaker 18: care of. He kind of looked over and he understood
• 26:51
  Speaker 18: that we're genuine people. We're not here to agitate. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 18: then when we were proposing some of the ideas, you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 18: an exemption on one of the trust tax laws, perhaps
• 27:00
  Speaker 18: an idea over here for the construction industry. He seemed
• 27:04
  Speaker 18: very receptive to it. And I actually messaged him and
• 27:07
  Speaker 18: thanked him afterwards. It is the complete opposite of what
• 27:10
  Speaker 18: I met with the prime minister, who, when I was
• 27:12
  Speaker 18: trying to connect with him, he looked up at the
• 27:14
  Speaker 18: sky and goes, yeah, nice weather in Canberra today. And
• 27:16
  Speaker 18: then took a 15 minute tickle break afterwards.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Well, Albo's not really a details man.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: The Treasurer is the one you need to convince if
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: you want change anyway. Has he undertaken to consider more
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: changes to his trust taxation laws so that fewer small
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: businesses are caught up in it?
• 27:35
  Speaker 18: We will wait and see. At the end of the day,
• 27:38
  Speaker 18: he still has policy that he has to write. But
• 27:41
  Speaker 18: the fact that we got the consultation, he was willing
• 27:44
  Speaker 18: to listen, he was willing to spend some time with
• 27:46
  Speaker 18: us is really good. And I am going to go
• 27:49
  Speaker 18: back to the Prime Minister for a second because you
• 27:50
  Speaker 18: keep trying to get me to switch back and forth.
• 27:52
  Speaker 18: I'm going to let you know stark contrast to when
• 27:55
  Speaker 18: I met with him. That guy just wanted me out
• 27:57
  Speaker 18: of the lodge as soon as possible.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Alright, you got into the lodge. That's a fair effort. Now,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the point is, getting a meeting is like a low bar.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: That's what you should get as proper representatives of a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: small business campaign. But the question is whether there's going
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: to be meaningful change. Now, the budget's a long while
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: ago now, yet there still seems to be a lot
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: of confusion and uncertainty for small business people. about how
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: badly this will affect them and indeed what sort of
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: accounting or legal changes they need to bring about to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: comply with the new laws. Are you any closer to
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: giving people that sort of clarity?
• 28:34
  Speaker 18: Well, he did introduce some carve-outs today. Perhaps he'll introduce
• 28:37
  Speaker 18: some more carve-outs tomorrow. Because with this government, we actually
• 28:41
  Speaker 18: have no idea what they're going to do at any
• 28:42
  Speaker 18: point in time, and that's the reason why we're here.
• 28:45
  Speaker 18: We're here to back small business and give consumers confidence again,
• 28:49
  Speaker 18: give the battler confidence again, because that is what Australia
• 28:53
  Speaker 18: is all about. It is all about having a go
• 28:55
  Speaker 18: and putting the hard yakka in.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Well, keep us informed.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Obviously, there have been some changes.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: If.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: You can convince Jim Chalmers to deliver more changes, more carve-outs,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: as you say.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: That'll be a good thing. Let us know.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: In the meantime, I want to bring you to a
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: state issue, and other states around the country should be
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: looking at this with alarm, and these are the new
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: laws in New South Wales where they're going to mandate
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: keep cups at cafes and sort of try and get
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: rid of takeaway coffee cups. I mean, if you're trying
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to simplify small business and take the burden off them,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: how on earth is this going to help anyone?
• 29:32
  Speaker 18: Mate, this is just pandering to a certain crowd. This
• 29:35
  Speaker 18: is pandering to a very loud minority of individuals out
• 29:38
  Speaker 18: there that are like... everyone should have keep cups. It's
• 29:41
  Speaker 18: the greedy that own businesses. Do you know who owns
• 29:43
  Speaker 18: small business cafes? It is the migrants that come to
• 29:47
  Speaker 18: this country. It is the battler that starts up a business.
• 29:50
  Speaker 18: It's the people that just want to have a go.
• 29:53
  Speaker 18: And by adding another cost to the hospitality industry, that no-one.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Asked for, that absolutely no-one has asked for, is barbaric.
• 30:01
  Speaker 18: We're not allowed to have plastic straws in this country.
• 30:04
  Speaker 18: We already use paper cups. Everything's already recyclable.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Now we need to.
• 30:08
  Speaker 18: Introduce this reusable cup thing and make the business pay
• 30:11
  Speaker 18: for it as well? You might as well say, no
• 30:13
  Speaker 18: more coffee.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Spot on. Oh, I've lost my earpiece. That's all right.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: We're done, Joseph.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Joseph, down there, sharing some of
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the frustrations of small business. I mean, really, you can't
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: have paper cups to get a coffee in, but we
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: keep employing more and more federal public servants. The country
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: has gone nuts. We'd better take a break. On the
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: other side, we'll cross to the US. Donald Trump's out
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: campaigning in the midterms, but Barack Obama is on the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: hustings for the Democrats as well. In the US, the
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: midterms are just a week away now. We'll be all
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: over them live on the day here on News 24.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And the debate's getting even more and more bizarre in
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the US. President Donald Trump has now offered a cash incentive,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: a sizeable cash incentive, for anyone uncovering voter fraud.
• 31:07
  Speaker 19: I'm also going to be issuing a million dollar bonus
• 31:11
  Speaker 19: or reward or whatever you want to call it for
• 31:14
  Speaker 19: anybody that reports voter fraud leading to the arrest and
• 31:19
  Speaker 19: conviction of somebody. We're giving that person a million dollars.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: As I said to our US analyst, Kristen Tate, the
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: campaign has now seen both sides accusing each other of
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: electoral fraud.
• 31:32
  Speaker 17: There is voter fraud.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: It happens.
• 31:34
  Speaker 17: It's a problem. It's good that it's being called out. However,
• 31:38
  Speaker 17: I will say this, Chris.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I think the president needs to be using all his
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: time and energy right now trying to mobilize Republican voters.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: It's a mobilization game in the midterms. Here in America,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: we are very interested politically in the presidential elections. But
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: during those midterm years, a lot of voters kind of
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: tune out. They're not as likely to go to the polls.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: So we need our politicians, even the president at the
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: very top, telling people, don't get complacent.
• 32:05
  Speaker 17: Just get out there and vote.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: You know, this could all go very badly if Democrats
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: take both chambers, and we're going to have another, you know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: woke America again, like we had under Joe Biden.
• 32:16
  Speaker 17: So, Yeah, there's voter fraud.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I'm glad he's calling it out. The cash incentive is great.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: But in the big scheme of things, it's not really
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: about voter fraud. It's about mobilising the base.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: And that's for both sides, right? A lot of people
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: are expecting the Democrats to pick up the House. But,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, they have to mobilise Democrats to get out
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and vote.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And they don't have any.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Huge figures who have the charisma to bring them out,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: although there is one old stager that we'll get to
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: later on. But, of course, you're expecting the Republicans to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: lose ground around the country, but you're also suggesting that
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: in other parts of the country, traditionally Democrat parts, you
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: might see some surprise results.
• 32:58
  Speaker 19: Right.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: So, yes, I don't want to sugarcoat anything for Republicans.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: It's probably going to be a pretty bad week for us.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: We could lose the.
• 33:05
  Speaker 17: House and the Senate.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: When people who don't live in America think of Republicanism,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: you think of Texas, right?
• 33:12
  Speaker 17: Deep red Texas.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: However, there's a Senate seat there that is very likely
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: to go to a Democrat, James Tallarico, a radical Democrat,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: a terrible Democrat. But I want to stress this to voters.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Polls in the past have always been distorted in favor
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: of Democrats.
• 33:28
  Speaker 17: And I think that's on purpose.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I think the.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Media highlights that to kind of make Republicans feel like
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: there's no hope.
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: I'm not going to go vote anyway. Don't listen to
• 33:38
  Speaker 17: the polls. If you're a Republican listening to this in
• 33:41
  Speaker 17: the United States, just go out and vote.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: All right, meanwhile, there's this incredible sideshow around the Democrat,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: prominent Democrat, Ilhan Omar, and what she says about whether
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: or not she was married in the past to her
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: brother or some other relative.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Have a look. You were not related to him at all.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Not that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: There's not some weird kernel of truth that shoots something
• 34:04
  Speaker 12: in the telephone.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Not to my knowledge.
• 34:06
  Speaker 18: You would think you'd know if you were related to
• 34:08
  Speaker 18: the person you're married, but she said, not to my knowledge.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Christian, it was an extraordinarily soft interview, but even then,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: a huge drama.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Not to her knowledge was her former husband her brother.
• 34:22
  Speaker 17: It certainly seems that way.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, there is enough evidence to convince a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: federal judge to authorize a raid on Ilhan Omar's home. So, yeah,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: this needs to be looked into. For the last few years,
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the Democrats have been telling.
• 34:35
  Speaker 17: Us nobody's above the law. They took Donald Trump's mugshot.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Hey, guess what?
• 34:40
  Speaker 17: Yeah, nobody's above the law.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: And we need to find out if Ilhan Omar committed
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: immigration fraud. It looks like she may have. by marrying
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: her brother in 2008 so that he could migrate here.
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: So this is looking very suspicious. They will get to
• 34:55
  Speaker 17: the bottom of it. And yeah, nobody's above the law.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: It's extraordinary. And the president didn't miss either. A lawyer
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: told her, say that.
• 35:07
  Speaker 19: When a lawyer knows you're guilty, a question like that,
• 35:10
  Speaker 19: the lawyer always says, pretend you don't know.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: That was not a good answer.
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 35:15
  Speaker 19: I don't know what she could have answered.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Not to my knowledge, she said.
• 35:20
  Speaker 19: Therefore, because she used a fake name to be sworn in,
• 35:24
  Speaker 19: I assume that we must immediately resign her from Congress.
• 35:29
  Speaker 19: Let's get her the hell out of there.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump on Ilhan Omar there. But meanwhile, we.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Talked about getting the Democrats out to vote. They've got
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: former President Barack Obama on the hustings.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: I don't know if you've noticed, but he seems very
• 35:46
  Speaker 10: focused on home renovations.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Guy's building a ballroom that's bigger than the White House.
• 35:53
  Speaker 12: It's paved over the Rose Garden, put a helicopter pad
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: on the south lawn, and there's gold everywhere.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: What's up with the gold?
• 36:02
  Speaker 12: Everything, more gold. He's got the White House looking like
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: Saddam Hussein opened a cheesecake factory.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Gee, they'd like to have someone like him around again, Kristen.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: But my point.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: About that is, gee, for almost two decades now, the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Democrats have done nothing but mock Trump.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And guess what? It tends not to work. But I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: guess this gets back to your point as well, though.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It's useful to have Obama out there doing that because
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: it will just mobilise their base.
• 36:30
  Speaker 17: Yeah, of course. Obama is just so likable. You got
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: to hand it to him. And he's, you know, that
• 36:34
  Speaker 17: was a good line.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: It's true. Trump has never met a surface that he
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: didn't think couldn't use another coat of gold paint. His
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: aesthetic is like, you know, Versailles meets a Las Vegas casino.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: But no, Obama is all they've got. He's all they've got.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Who else do they have?
• 36:52
  Speaker 17: Kamala Harris? I mean, she's so off-putting. Hillary Clinton?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: It's just a parade of horribles, so they just have
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: to keep going back to Barack Obama.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Talk about a basket of deplorables. That's all they've got
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: when it comes to candidates. Exactly. Thanks for joining us, Kristen.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week.
• 37:10
  Speaker 17: Thank you, Chris.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Now, back in Oz with businesses doing it tough under Labor,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: facing rising costs, increased regulation and higher taxes. it's never
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: been more important to support local Aussie-owned businesses. News Corp
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Australia has relaunched its National Back Australia campaign, encouraging all
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: of us to buy Australian-made stuff. Let's bring in John
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Rolfe from The Daily Telegraph. He's scooted downstairs for us, John.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Tell us about the program, rather than your story at
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the moment, just this program. I mean, I think we
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: all understand the concept and it just needs encouraging all
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the time that we should be looking for Australian produce
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and products and buying it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Chris. We have a choice.
• 37:51
  Speaker 20: We have the power in choosing how we spend our money.
• 37:54
  Speaker 20: And we know that 85% of Aussies think that we
• 37:57
  Speaker 20: need to do more manufacturing here. Well, we can only
• 38:00
  Speaker 20: do that if we're spending on Australian-made goods. And 73%
• 38:04
  Speaker 20: of people are concerned that we're too reliant on foreign imports.
• 38:08
  Speaker 20: And we know that the supply lines can be disrupted.
• 38:12
  Speaker 20: We saw it during COVID. We've seen it more recently
• 38:14
  Speaker 20: with the Strait of Hormuz debacle. So we do need
• 38:17
  Speaker 20: to be more self-reliant in the modern world, and one
• 38:21
  Speaker 20: way to do that is to support local manufacturers and retailers,
• 38:25
  Speaker 20: businesses in your high street and in the industrial park,
• 38:29
  Speaker 20: so that Australia does have a future beyond just having hair...
• 38:34
  Speaker 20: I guess, hair salons and nail shops in your main street.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Part of that is labelling and branding.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: If I see two products that are similar and I
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: know one's Aussie made and I might be prepared to pay,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: you know, a few percent more to back.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: The Aussie industries.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: But the other question is when it comes straight down
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: to price points, sometimes people are being tricked. And you've
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: uncovered a classic example of that with cheap honey from Aldi.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Explain that to us. Well, look, Families, I.
• 39:03
  Speaker 20: Write about the cost of living. People are under massive pressure.
• 39:07
  Speaker 20: I understand why people look for the least expensive option
• 39:10
  Speaker 20: to feed their children.
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: Of course.
• 39:12
  Speaker 20: But you want it to be what it is that
• 39:14
  Speaker 20: you think that you're buying, and that is the problem
• 39:16
  Speaker 20: here with the cheapest honey on the market from Aldi.
• 39:19
  Speaker 20: It says on the back that it's only 10% or 20% Australian.
• 39:23
  Speaker 20: Aldi won't say which country the rest of it comes from,
• 39:26
  Speaker 20: but the problem is that testing that I've obtained suggests
• 39:29
  Speaker 20: that it's not even all honey, that it's been watered
• 39:32
  Speaker 20: down with sugar syrup, which is even cheaper than imported honey. Now,
• 39:36
  Speaker 20: imported honey from India or China, it retails for maybe
• 39:41
  Speaker 20: a third or 40% less than Australian honey, even at Aldi.
• 39:45
  Speaker 20: So we can see how much cheaper it is. However,
• 39:48
  Speaker 20: that doesn't seem like it's enough. Aldi is saying that
• 39:51
  Speaker 20: this is pure honey. They are disputing the claims. But
• 39:54
  Speaker 20: these are two sets of tests from reputable overseas labs.
• 39:58
  Speaker 20: And also the government's been doing its own testing in
• 40:00
  Speaker 20: the background and found concerns about imported honey.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a fascinating issue. No doubt you'll follow up
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: on that. But there are stories under this Back Australia
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: campaign right around the country looking at local businesses. And
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the pricing of Australian products, the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: honey's a classic example. We can all understand they'll produce
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: it cheaper... in India or other countries where the labour
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: costs are lower or whatever, but it seems incongruous that
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: they can pack.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It, ship it, get it here and shift it around
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: at a lower cost.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: One of the problems here is that we add to
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the cost of everything domestically, especially by the way we've
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: destroyed our cheap energy advantage. Our high electricity prices are
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: driving everything up, not just manufacturing goods.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: But everything, right?
• 40:45
  Speaker 20: Well, we certainly know that we need electricity for everything
• 40:49
  Speaker 20: and our prices have exploded. The other area that I
• 40:52
  Speaker 20: do write about a lot is energy and it is
• 40:55
  Speaker 20: out of control. Many consumers have chosen just to simply
• 40:58
  Speaker 20: withdraw themselves from the market. That's why people buy batteries.
• 41:01
  Speaker 20: They may not agree with the agenda of the Labor government.
• 41:04
  Speaker 20: They decided to take control of it because they don't
• 41:06
  Speaker 20: trust where prices are going.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: And you can understand that.
• 41:10
  Speaker 20: If we could get on top of these energy prices,
• 41:12
  Speaker 20: you would think we'd get inflation back under control. and
• 41:16
  Speaker 20: start to give our local manufacturers a chance.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Spot on. Thanks for joining us, John. Appreciate it. John
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Robb from The Daily Telegraph there, looking out for your.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: News Corp papers right around the country, buying into this
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Back Australia campaign. A lot of corporate partners too. If
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you can, buy Australian. Obviously, there are cost pressures, but...
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: If you can and it's a little bit.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: More, buy Australian. That's the way I always try to go.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: We'll take a break.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: On the other side, Stephen Senatiempo and Michelle Stevenson join
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: me on the panel.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: And can you believe it?
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Someone's spending your tax dollars trying to protect the rights
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: of breastfeeding men.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Let's get on to our Tuesday panel.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: And our regular is the breakfast host of Radio 2CC
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: in Canberra, Stephen Senatiempo.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: And joining us this week is Michelle.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Stevenson, also on radio, and a Liberal councillor with Waverley Council.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I got a good message about you this week, Waverley.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: A mate of mine, Michelle, was trying to get some
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: action out of the Waverley Council. He said, do you
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: know this Michelle Stevenson?
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: She gets stuff done. It's what I do.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: I'm just doing the Lord's work on the ground, making
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: sure stuff happens.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Can we get you to Canberra then? Get to Canberra.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: We don't need someone sorting out Waverley Council, as important
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: as that is.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: We need action in Canberra. Stephen, you must be feeling
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: it on the radio at the moment.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: So many people doing it tough, especially small businesses doing
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: it tough. And with another rate increase and all these
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: tax changes and trusts confusion in the lead-up.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: To Christmas, it must be just shocking.
• 42:51
  Speaker 10: Chris, when I'm not on air, most of what I
• 42:53
  Speaker 10: do during the day is I go out and talk
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: to small business people here around Canberra. And, look, on
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: top of everything that I've got to deal with, that
• 43:00
  Speaker 10: businesses around the country have got to deal with, we've
• 43:02
  Speaker 10: got the Canberra tax here too. It's even harder to
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: do business here than it is anywhere else. But, look,
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: I had one small business owner tell me if interest
• 43:09
  Speaker 10: rates go up on Melbourne Cup Day, that could be
• 43:11
  Speaker 10: the end of his business. because his customers are just
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: at the end of their tether. And I guess the
• 43:15
  Speaker 10: reality is that whatever the inflation figures say tomorrow, whatever
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: happens on Melbourne Cup Day, it doesn't matter because people
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: are already at breaking point. Now, all of this is
• 43:25
  Speaker 10: going to do... It will make it worse, but we
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: need a government that's going to make things better. And
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: small businesses just want government to get out of their way. And,
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: you know, I mean, I know you talked about the
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: Keep Cup thing earlier this morning and... You know, we've
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: got changes to trust, we've got changes to credit card surcharges,
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: we've got the ATO.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Hammering them now.
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's just getting to the point where there
• 43:45
  Speaker 10: is nowhere left for small business to go, particularly when
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: it comes to retail, hospitality and businesses like that.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, every business is struggling, but it's those.
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: Frontline businesses that are hurting the most because people just
• 43:57
  Speaker 10: haven't got money to spend in their businesses. And on
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: top of that, the government's trying to make it harder
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: for them to do business.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got the big-ticket items with tax increases,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: interest rates going up, electricity charges going up. But beyond that,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: governments just get out of the way.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And, Michelle, this is the classic one with these keep-cup things.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: As if it's not complicated enough running your cafe, now
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: you add this minefield that's going to cost you and
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: make it more difficult to do business.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: I guess what I can say, what really shows is
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: that no one in Labor has ever worked or held
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: a position outside of being a politician. Because honestly, these
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: businesses are just getting hammered with woke ideology, with credit
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: card surcharges. I was talking to someone the other day
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: who has a small business in Bondi in my electorate.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: And what he was telling me is the credit card surcharge, Ben,
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: he now has to cover $ 37, 000 a year. On top
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: of that, the minimum wage has risen as well. Now
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: we've got payroll tax. We've got all the taxes. We've
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: got rents going up. We've got power bills. He had
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: to then go and through every item, raise it by
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: a dollar. So the people who are benefiting, I don't
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: know who that is. I don't know what Labor thinks
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: is happening, but they're getting rid of aspiration income. They're
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: making sure that innovation isn't in this country anymore.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: It's leaving.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: People are going overseas. And it is really, really short-sighted.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: We need to get this government out.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I even see in Sydney now some of the
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: top private schools are saying you can no longer pay
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: your fees. with a credit card because we won't absorb
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that cost. They don't want to jack up their prices anymore,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: so they leave credit cards out of it. And meanwhile,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the consoling thing is that the federal government continues to
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: spend our money ever so wisely, such that they're funding
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: a sex discrimination commissioner who's looking after the interests of
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: breastfeeding men.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 45:48
  Speaker 21: Section 7AA of the Sex Discrimination Act specifically refers to
• 45:54
  Speaker 21: discrimination against a woman on the grounds of breastfeeding. The
• 45:58
  Speaker 21: explanatory memorandum introducing those protections stated they were intended to
• 46:04
  Speaker 21: apply to women who breastfeed. Does the Commission interpret Section
• 46:08
  Speaker 21: 7AA as providing breastfeeding discrimination protections to a biological male
• 46:14
  Speaker 21: who identifies as a woman and induces lactation?
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Yes, Senator.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: There you go, Stephen.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: If you ever feel the need to lactate, knock yourself out.
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: Chris, look, I've got man boobs and I'm pretty sure
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: I can't lactate and do I need to bring a
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: keep cup?
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just fair dinkum. Where do these people
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: come from?
• 46:37
  Speaker 10: How do you have sex in the name of your
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: job title and not understand biological sex?
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: But more importantly, what is.
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: Our government up to here thinking that this is a
• 46:47
  Speaker 10: first-order issue determining that blokes who identify as women should
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: be allowed to breastfeed? Well, I mean, you know, I
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: should be allowed to be an Olympic high.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Jumper, but I can't. Yeah, there are two aspects to this,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I think, Michelle.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: One is that aspect, the senseless waste of our money
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: and time with this nonsense, but also the aspect that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the opposition leader in New South Wales, Kelly Sloan, spoke
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: about eloquently last week when she railed against some of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: this language in the New South Wales Parliament, and that
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: is that they're stealing the very essence of womanhood. They're
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: demeaning something that is especially the prevail of women.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and she's spot on with this. As a female,
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: I want to protect my female spaces, and that shouldn't
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: be a hard ask. We worked really hard to make
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: sure that we have safe spaces and that they're not
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: intruded on by men. And I'm sorry, we need to
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: put an end to this madness. This has policy gone
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: absolutely wild, and I don't understand what the end result is,
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: because we know men can't lactate. I mean, I'd like
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: to see them try. I can tell you it's pretty hard.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I've done it myself. But, you know, at the end
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: of the day, you're welcome to have all that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want to discriminate against anyone, but I don't
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: want to see that. I tell you what, Stephen, just
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: in a similar vein, if you're ever worried that the
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Sydney University was going to continue to be a leftist
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: cabal where they just try and virtue-seek on every woke issue,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: don't worry, because Mark Scott, who heads the university, has
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: now employed Jacinda Ardern.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: She's going to be a guest lecturer there. It's just
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: more of the same.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, our universities are so woke, so hard-left, green-left,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And they just keep heading down that path. When will
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: they get some sense and rationality into the mix?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Well, any surprise here that your old mate from the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: ABC is running the joint there.
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: But is there going to be, are we getting to
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: the point, and I'm being serious about this, are we
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: going to get to a point where there will be
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: a bachelor's degree in woke ideology? Because if you look
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: at a lot of the lecturers that we have at
• 48:50
  Speaker 10: these universities now, and I'll rule out, the University of
• 48:52
  Speaker 10: Canberra is the.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Exception to the rule.
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: Bill Shorten has come in and try to turn it
• 48:56
  Speaker 10: into something that actually makes sense but every other university
• 49:00
  Speaker 10: has now become well and probably has been for quite
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: some time an institution of indoctrination rather than one that
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: teaches you how to think it's about teaching you what
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: to think and when you bring somebody like Jacinda Ardern
• 49:12
  Speaker 10: in who was so bad at her job when she
• 49:14
  Speaker 10: was prime minister of New Zealand what is it that
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: she is going to teach our young people Sorry, it's
• 49:19
  Speaker 10: University of Sydney.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: What is it that she's.
• 49:21
  Speaker 10: Going to teach the 50% of foreign students that occupy
• 49:24
  Speaker 10: the joint?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, indeed, indeed. Well, welcome to Australia, Jacinda Ardern.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Michelle and Stephen. We'll catch you
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: next time. We're out of time.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Credlin.