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Man Arrested for Kidnapping Named Person of Interest in Disappearances of Two Women · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a second and just picture
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a standard Sunday evening in a place like Saint Francisville, Louisiana.
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Speaker 2: Right, it's a very specific kind of environment exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a rural area, the population is relatively small,
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heavily wooded, lots of those long, dark, two lane highways.
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Speaker 2: And by Sunday night in a town like that, the
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weekend is effectively over.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are resetting for the work week. It's, you know,
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the kind of quiet that feels almost structural to the
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town itself.
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Speaker 2: A very predictable routine, right.
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Speaker 1: But on Sunday, July nineteenth, twenty twenty six, that structure
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just completely fractured.
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Speaker 2: It's really is.
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Speaker 1: Deputies from the West Feliciana Parish Sheriff's Office responded to
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a call and what they found wasn't just some localized
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crime scene.
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Speaker 2: No, it was essentially a thread.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thread, and when they pulled it, they started
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unraveling this multi year, multi county blind spot involving two
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missing women from the Baton Rouge.
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Speaker 2: Area, Which is fascinating because you know, we often consume
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these true crime stories as if they unfold linear.
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Speaker 1: Look, it's a TV show.
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Speaker 2: Right, exactly like someone goes missing, the police investigate, they
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find a clue, and then they make an arrest step one,
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two three.
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Speaker 1: But that's not how it actually works, is it not
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at all?
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Speaker 2: I mean, the reality of investigative work is far more chaotic.
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It relies a lot on horizontal friction.
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Speaker 1: Horizontal friction, what do you mean by that?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's when a completely separate, ostensibly isolated event just
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sort of bumps into a cold case and the resulting
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friction from that collision lights the whole board up.
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Speaker 1: And that is exactly the mission for our deep dive today.
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We are looking at breaking news out of West Feliciana.
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Speaker 2: Parish, some really complex developments.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a stack of primary sources, arrest reports,
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press conferences, all detailing how the single kidnapping arrest has
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effectively blown the dust off the disappearances of Madison Renee
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Allen and Stephanie.
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Speaker 2: Hevia, two cases that had gone very cold.
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Speaker 1: Right, And as you listen to us unpacked this, you'll
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see this isn't just some update on a local news story.
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Speaker 2: No, it's practically a masterclass.
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Speaker 1: It is. It's an incredibly clear look at the actual
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mechanics of a police investigation, like how timelines expose behavioral escalation,
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how the digital age complicates missing adults, and honestly, how
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the sheer exhausting will power of families keeps these cases alive.
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Speaker 2: But before we get into the tactical breakdown of those timelines,
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we do need to establish the baseline of the current
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legal reality here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a crucial point.
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Speaker 2: The individual we are discussing today who is arrested on
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that Sunday night, is legally presumed innocent of the uncharged
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defenses related to the missing women.
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Speaker 1: Right, He hasn't been charged with their disappearances exactly.
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Speaker 2: We are looking at this strictly through the lens of
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investigative strategy and behavioral patterns based on the public record.
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We're not here to issue a verdict.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So let's get right into the mechanics of that
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Sunday night, because the charges themselves tell a very specific story.
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Speaker 2: They really do the details matter here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So deputies arrive in the Saint francis Ville area, Right,
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they're responding to a report of a woman being held
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against her.
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Speaker 2: Will, a highly volatile situation.
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Speaker 1: And they secure the scene and they arrest forty three
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year old Thomas Morris. The specific charges are a second
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degree kidnapping and false imprisonment.
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Speaker 2: Serious felony charges right out of the gate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you read a charge like second degree kidnapping,
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I mean my mind immediately goes to the physical act
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of moving someone, like throwing someone in a van.
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Speaker 2: Right, the kinetic part of the crime.
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Speaker 1: But the source is not a detail that feels, I
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don't know, much more insidious to me. The victim who
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was rescued safely by the way without reported physical injuries.
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She was from out of state. Yes, the authority specifically
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stated she was quote a very very long way from home.
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Speaker 2: And that phrase right there, that is the load bearing
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pillar of this specific crime scene.
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Speaker 1: How so, like, why is the geography so important?
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Speaker 2: Well, in cases of false imprisonment, the offender's primary objective
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is total control, right, And you know you can achieve
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control through a weapon or through physical restraints like zip
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ties or whatever, or you can achieve it through geography.
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Speaker 1: Wow, So the location itself is the restraint.
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Speaker 2: Exactly by securing a victim who is a very long
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way from home, the offender doesn't necessarily need a firearm
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to keep them compliant. The isolation does the work for them.
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Speaker 1: So geography literally becomes the weapon.
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Speaker 2: Think about the psychological architecture of being held in an
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unfamiliar rural parish. You don't know the county lines, you
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don't know the layout of the highways.
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Speaker 1: You don't even know which way is north right.
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Speaker 2: You don't know if the local sheriff's department is five
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miles away or fifty, and more importantly, your personal safety net.
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Like the people who would notice you didn't show up
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for coffee or didn't log into work, they're hundreds of
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miles away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they might be in a totally different time zone exactly.
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Speaker 2: They are operating in a different state, completely unaware that
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your routine has been severed. The offender relies on that
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geographical lag to make dominance, which would.
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Speaker 1: Explain why she was recovered safely without physical injuries. He
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didn't need to hurt her to keep her trapped.
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Speaker 2: Right, The isolation was doing the heavy lifting. But logistically,
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that out of state detail fundamentally changes the math for
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the West Feliciana Parish sheriff's.
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Speaker 1: Office because it's not just a local issue anymore.
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Speaker 2: Right, they aren't just dealing with a local domestic dispute.
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They suddenly have an interstate incident on their hands.
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Speaker 1: It just balloons the whole investigation.
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Speaker 2: And immediately forces cross jurisdictional communication. The deputies have to
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verify her identity, contact her home state, and you know,
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potentially look at how she crossed those state lines.
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Speaker 1: Which flirts with federal jurisdiction, doesn't.
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Speaker 2: It It absolutely does, depending on the method of transport,
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you're looking at potential federal kidnapping statutes. It broadens the
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investigative footprint instantly.
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Speaker 1: And we actually see the court recognizing the severity of
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that footprint. By Wednesday, a judge sets Morris's bond at
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five hundred thousand dollars, placing him securely in the West
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Feliciana parish detention center.
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Speaker 2: That is not a standard bond for that area.
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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, half a million dollars in a rural
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parish is a massive number. It feels like they aren't
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just trying to ensure he shows up for a court date.
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It feels like they are freezing the board.
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Speaker 2: Freezing the board is a great way to put it.
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Speaker 1: Like they are locking him down so they can safely
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look at his entire orbit without him.
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Speaker 2: Interfering a bond of that magnitude certainly reflects the court's
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assessment of his threat to the community and of course
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flight risk. But tactically, for investigators, it buys them time.
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Speaker 1: Takes the pressure off the clock exactly.
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Speaker 2: It removes the immediate variable of the suspect's mobility. They
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know exactly where.
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Speaker 1: He is, which leads us directly to this incredibly strategic
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move that happened on Monday. And this is where honestly
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I struggle to understand the police playbook.
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Speaker 2: The press conference.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so the Sunday arrest happens, Morris is locked up.
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Then on Monday, Sheriff Brian Stillman steps up to a
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podium and publicly announces that Morris is a quote person
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of interest in the disappearances of Madison, Rene Allen and
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Stephanie Heavia.
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Speaker 2: It was a very bold, very public statement.
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Speaker 1: Spilman even says Morris had previously been viewed as a
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person of interest in the Allen case, but this new
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arrest generated fresh leads.
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Speaker 2: He was already on their radar.
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Speaker 1: And the direct quote from our sources, Spilman says, we
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are even right now actively running down leads and talking
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to people and interviewing people that might have some information
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we can use.
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Speaker 2: That statement is a highly calculated deployment of pressure.
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Speaker 1: But why show your cards? I mean, if I'm a
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detective and I finally have my primary person of interests
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locked in a cell on a massive unrelated charge, my
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instinct would be to quietly build the case for the
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disappearances in the background.
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Speaker 2: Keep it close to the vest.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Why broadcast to Morris and to his defense attorneys
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that you are actively hunting for evidence tying him to
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these cold cases? Doesn't that just give his side time
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to prepare or tell his associates to clam up.
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Speaker 2: Well, the assumption there is that his associates are loyal
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to him out of affection rather than fear.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, right.
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Speaker 2: When investigators use a high profile, unrelated arrest to blast
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a suspect's name across the media in connection to cold cases,
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they are executing a specific maneuver to do what to
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exploit the sudden vulnerability of the suspect. You have to remember,
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because person of interest carries absolutely no legal weight. The
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sheriff couldn't touch him before, right, It's just a label exactly.
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They couldn't compel him to speak they couldn't arrest him.
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He was insulated.
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Speaker 1: He's walking around free, which means anyone who knew anything
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was probably walking on terrified.
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Speaker 2: Of him, precisely. But now the power dynamic has completely inverted.
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Spilman is using that podium to send a very specific
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message to a very specific invisible.
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Speaker 1: Audience, the people in his orbit.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he is telling anyone in Morris's orbit, maybe an
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ex girlfriend, an old roommate, someone who maybe helped clean
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a car or dispose of property years ago. He's telling
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them that Morris is caged.
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Speaker 1: He cannot get to you.
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Speaker 2: Right. The threat of immediate retaliation is neutralized by that
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five hundred thousand dollars bond, And.
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Speaker 1: By adding that line about actively talking to people, Spilman
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is basically triggering the prisoner's dilemma.
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Speaker 2: He is creating artificial scarcity.
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Speaker 1: Scarcity for what like a deal.
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Speaker 2: Scarcity for immunity or at least favorable treatment. If you
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are sitting on information, the sheriff is letting you know
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that the line to confess is forming right now. Oh wow, Yeah,
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you want to be the first person through the door
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offering information. You do not want to be the last
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person they visit with a warrant because someone else sold
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you out to save themselves.
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Speaker 1: That is brilliant. It forces the whole ecosystem around the
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suspect to just turn on itself.
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Speaker 2: It's a classic tree shaking maneuver.
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Speaker 1: So to understand what kind of information they are trying
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to shake lose, we have to look at the massive,
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devastating void left by these two missing women.
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Speaker 2: We really do the human element here is staggering.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the first fracture in this timeline, which
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is the disappearance of Madison Renee Allen. Now, the sources
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refer to her with a few various spellings, sometimes Madison
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Rene or Rhanea, but the core data points are identical
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across the board.
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Speaker 2: Specifics of who she is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she vanished in late November of twenty twenty three.
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She was thirty two years old, five foot two, one
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hundred and fifteen pounds, with light brown hair and blue eyes.
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Speaker 2: And she had some very distinct identifiers.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the family and missing persons organizations have aggressively circulated
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photos of her highly distinctive tattoos.
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Speaker 2: And you know, the reliance on tattoo photography and long
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term missing persons cases is just It's a grim, pragmatic reality.
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Speaker 1: Because all these fade right or change exactly.
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Speaker 2: You might dye your hair, you might lose or game
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thirty pounds. But ink is a static identifier. It doesn't change.
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Speaker 1: It's permanent.
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Speaker 2: It's the fastest way for a patrol officer running a
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routine check, or tragically a corner examining a Jane dough
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to make a definitive match against the national database.
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Speaker 1: The human element of this is just devastating. And left
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behind three children.
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Speaker 2: Three kids.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were sixteen, nine and three years old at
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the time she vanished. Her mother, Lynn Rawlins from Liberty, Mississippi.
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She has been adamant from day one that abandoning her
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kids is entirely out of character from Madison.
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Speaker 2: The family knows their baseline behavior, right.
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Speaker 1: The family's position is that she simply would not walk
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away from those children. But when you look at the
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official reports, the actual timeline of her vanishing is an
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absolute mess.
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Speaker 2: It is a mess, but it perfectly illustrates the systemic
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hurdles of investigating an adult who goes missing under ambiguous circumstances.
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Speaker 1: It really does. So let's lay out the data we
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have for you. Madison was living with a boyfriend on
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the thirty three hundred block of Ash Street in Zachary, Louisiana. Okay,
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she had just started a new job, she was actively
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discussing returning to school with her mother. Things seemed to
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be looking up, and then she's just gone vanished. The
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boyfriend tells investigators she left the residence in a quote
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unidentified vehicle and took her belongings with her.
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Speaker 2: A very convenient narrative.
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Speaker 1: Highly convenient, and the official reports have this catastrophic margin
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of error regarding the date. Different reports list her disappearance
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anywhere from November eleventh to early December twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: That is a massive window.
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Speaker 1: With the last confirmed family contact happening around November twenty ninth. So,
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as an investigator, I have to ask, how does someone
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vanish in twenty twenty three with a three week margin
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of air.
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Speaker 2: It seems impossible in the modern age.
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Speaker 1: It does. We all carry tracking devices in our pockets,
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We walk past dozens of ring cameras a day. How
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does the digital footprint just evaporate like that?
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Speaker 2: Well, the evaporation isn't spontaneous, right, It's actually a byproduct
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of the legal threshold required to access that digital data.
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What do you mean As an adult citizen in the
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United States, you have the fundamental right to just cut
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ties with your life.
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Speaker 1: Right. It's not illegal to go off the grid exactly.
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Speaker 2: You can pack a bag, get into an unidentified vehicle,
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and leave. You don't have to tell your mom, you
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don't have to tell your job.
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Speaker 1: So because of that legal right to wakalk away.
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Speaker 2: Because of that legal right, law enforcement cannot simply subpoena
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Apple for your location data or force Verizon to dump
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your cell tower pings just because your mother hasn't hurt
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from you in a week.
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Speaker 1: Wow, even if the family is begging them to.
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Speaker 2: Even then, they need probable cause that a crime has
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been committed, and.
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Speaker 1: The boyfriend's narrative that she packed her things and left
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voluntarily provides the perfect cover story to deny investigators that
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probable cause.
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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate legal shield in the early days
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of investigation. It creates a complete bureaucratic.
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Speaker 1: Paralysis, so the police are just stuck.
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Speaker 2: Basically, yes, the police have a report of a woman
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leaving voluntarily. The family insists that's out of character, but
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that's just an opinion in the eyes of the law.
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Speaker 1: Right, it's not hard evidence.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, And while the police are waiting for a clear
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sign of foul play to justify search warrants, the digital
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evidence is literally destroying itself.
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Speaker 1: Destroying itself, you mean like data being overridden.
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Speaker 2: Yes, think about residential secure cameras. Depending on the subscription tier,
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a ring camera or a nestcam overwrites its cloud storage
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every seven to thirty days.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, So the clock is ticking immediately.
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Speaker 2: Faster than anyone realizes. By the time investigators finally determined
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that the three week window between November eleventh and early
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December is actually a crime scene, it's too eight, it's gone.
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The footage of that unidentified vehicle driving down Ash Street
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has already been recorded over by footage of the mailman
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dropping off packages a month later.
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Speaker 1: That is terrifying, just the sheer fragility of our digital memory.
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But I also want to look at the environmental factors
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of her living situation too, because Zachary, Louisiana was a
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new town.
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Speaker 2: For her, a new environment entirely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. She had a new job, she was in a
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new relationship, she.
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Speaker 2: Was existing in a vacuum of routine.
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Speaker 1: That's a great phrase. Yeah, explain how that vacuum impacts
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the timeline.
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Speaker 2: Well, think about your own life. If you work the
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same corporate job for five years and you live in
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the same neighborhood, your.
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Speaker 1: Routine is yeah, totally.
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Speaker 2: If you deviate from it by even three hours, an
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alarm goes off, your boss calls, your neighbor notices your
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car hasn't moved from the driveway.
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Speaker 1: People notice the anomaly.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, But when you are in a state of transition,
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new job, new town, nobody is calibrated to your absence.
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Speaker 1: Yet because they don't know your baseline right.
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Speaker 2: Your new coworkers don't think you're missing. They just assume
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you flaked and quit. Wow, your new neighbors don't know
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you well enough to realize you weren't coming home. The
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only people who actually notice are your family, and.
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Speaker 1: If they live in another state, like Madison's mother in Mississippi.
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Speaker 2: Then they are relying entirely on phone calls. And you know,
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a missed phone call is easy to rationalize for the
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first few days.
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Speaker 1: Oh, she's busy, she lost your chargers, she's dealing with
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a new job.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. By the time the family realizes the silence is permanent,
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that catastrophic three week margin of error has already formed.
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Speaker 1: And because the system is paralyzed by that lack of
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immediate probable cause, the machinery of the investigation just stalls out.
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But the burden of generating momentum doesn't vanish. It just
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it transfers directly to the family.
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Speaker 2: It does. It falls entirely on them.
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Speaker 1: For two and a half years, Lynn Rollins and her
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family essentially operated as an independent search agency.
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Speaker 2: The phenomenon of ambiguous loss requires families to take on
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this horrifying dual role.
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Speaker 1: Due role.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are grieving a loss that they cannot prove
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even happened, while simultaneously acting as media strategists to keep
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the public engaged.
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Speaker 1: And you look at the milestones they forced into existence
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to do that. In early twenty twenty six, they crowdfunded
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a five thousand dollars cash reward. They literally bought physical billboard.
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Speaker 2: Space, paying one of their own pockets, right.
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Speaker 1: And in late twenty twenty five, to mark the two
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year anniversary, they organized this Walk of Hope. They were
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out there physically handing out flyers. You have to imagine
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the sheer endurance required to maintain that output.
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Speaker 2: It is exhausting just to think about.
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Speaker 1: The financial drain of printing materials, the emotional toll of
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answer in questions from a teenager and a toddler about
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where their mother is, and on top of all that,
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the constant gnawing friction of fighting a media cycle that
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always wants to move on to the next tragedy.
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Speaker 2: It is a profound failure of the safety net, really is.
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I mean, a mother in Mississippi should not have to
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buy a billboard in Louisiana just to get a local
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department to maintain focus on a missing woman. No, she shouldn't,
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But functionally, in heavily burdened jurisdictions, cases without new evidence
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just slipped to the bottom of the pile. The family's
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pr campaign is quite often the only mechanism preventing the
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file from being thrown in an archive box.
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Speaker 1: Which makes Lynn Rollins's reaction to Morris's kidnapping arrest incredibly complex.
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The sources describe her response as this mix of surprise, relief,
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and renewed determination.
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Speaker 2: Which makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's treating the arrest as a significant step, but
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she is highly aware it doesn't offer immediate closure.
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Speaker 2: It just opens a new door and it's a door
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that reveals what was happening while she was spending two
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and a half years hen no out.
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Speaker 1: Flyers exactly, and this is where we need to overlay
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the timelines because it gets incredibly dark.
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Speaker 2: Here the patterns start to emerge.
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Speaker 1: Right, while Madison's family is fighting this public battle of
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attrition throughout twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five, there
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is a secondary timeline developing in the background. It involves
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our second missing woman, Stephanie Hevia, and a documented legal
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trail that shows a terrifying behavioral escalation.
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Speaker 2: Right, this is where the progression of events moves from
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abstract suspicion into documented systemic criminology.
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Speaker 1: Now, the public data on Stephanie Hevia is sparse compared
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to Madison, but the central data point is essentially the
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anchor of this entire investigation. Stephanie has been missing since
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August of twenty twenty five, and her family has stated
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publicly that she was last seen with Thomas Morris in
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Saint Francis.
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Speaker 2: Fille, which places Morris at the absolute epicenter of two
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separate disappearances involving women in the exact same regional orbit.
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Speaker 1: But the space between Madison vanishing in November twenty twenty three,
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and Stephanie vanishing in August twenty twenty five. It isn't empty,
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not at all. Let's look at the legal paper trail.
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In October of twenty twenty four, nearly a year after
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Madison disappears, Morris is arrested in East Baton Rouge Parish.
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Speaker 2: This is a critical pivot point.
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Speaker 1: To charge his domestic abuse battery by strangulation. The victim
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was a woman he was living with at the time.
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A protective order is put in place. Then court records
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indicate that protective order was dissolved in June of twenty
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twenty five. Two months later, Stephanie Hevia goes missing wow,
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and then eleven months after that the kidnamping arrest on
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the Sunday night in San Francisville.
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Speaker 2: The compression of that timeline is just alarming.
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Speaker 1: It's like watching a pressure valve fail, isn't it. You
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have this baseline of suspicion in twenty twenty three, then
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the system vents the pressure with an arrest in twenty
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twenty four. The protective order acts as a cap on
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the valve.
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Speaker 2: Then the cap comes off right.
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Speaker 1: When that cap is removed in June twenty twenty five,
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the pressure doesn't dissipate. It finds a new, more catastrophic
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exit point almost immediately with Stephanie's disappearance, and then violently
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ruptures a year later with the kidnapping.
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Speaker 2: It's a textbook escalation.
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Speaker 1: So how do behavioral analysts view that specific October twenty
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twenty four charge Because the authorities are very careful not
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to legally conflate the twenty twenty four arrest with the
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missing person's cases.
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Speaker 2: Of course they have to be careful legally. But from
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the perspective of risk assessment, a charge of domestic abuse
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battery by strangulation is the blaring siren.
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Speaker 1: Why strangulation, specifically.
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Speaker 2: In the literature of intimate partner violence, non fatal strangulation
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is widely recognized as one of the single highest predictors
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of future lethality, really.
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Speaker 1: More so than like a striker a.
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Speaker 2: Blow, considerably more Why is that? Well, A strait can
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be an impulse right, an immediate physical reaction born of
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sudden rage. But strangulation is different. It is a sustained,
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deliberate application.
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Speaker 1: Of lethal force because it takes time.
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Speaker 2: Exactly it takes time you are looking the victim in
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the eyes, you are physically restricting the flow of oxygen
20:58
and blood to the brain, and you are maintaining physical
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dominance while deciding second by second whether to let them
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live or die.
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Speaker 1: God, that is chilling.
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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate assertion of omnipotence over another human being.
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And statistically, when an offender crosses the threshold of utilizing strangulation,
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their likelihood of eventually murdering that partner or a subsequent
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partner styrocket.
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Speaker 1: It changes their whole profile.
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Speaker 2: It fundamentally alters their risk profile. It moves them into
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an entirely different category of danger.
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Speaker 1: Knowing that the dissolution of the protective order in June
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twenty twenty five just feels like a massive systemic.
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Speaker 2: Failure, it's incredibly frustrating.
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Speaker 1: If the data shows this individual has crossed a lethality threshold,
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how does the legal mechanism design to separate him from
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potential victims simply evaporate two months before another woman vanishes.
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Speaker 2: Because protective orders are civil or criminal court mechanisms that
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require maintenance enance, yeah, they are not self sustaining. In
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many jurisdictions, an order might be issued on a temporary basis,
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requiring the victim to physically return to court at a
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later date to make it permanent.
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Speaker 1: And if they don't show up.
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Speaker 2: If the victim does not show up, the order simply dissolves.
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Speaker 1: But why wouldn't a victim show up to finalize a
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protective order against someone who strangled them.
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Speaker 2: Often it's not because they suddenly feel safe. It's because
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the offender has utilized intimidation or economic coercion, or even
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threats against family members to force the victim into dropping
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the pursuit.
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Speaker 1: So the system essentially relies on the victim to be
22:27
braver than the person terrorizing them.
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Speaker 2: Right, or the victim simply runs out of the financial
22:32
and emotional capital required to navigate this byzantine court system,
22:37
taking time off work, finding childcare, facing their abuser in
22:40
a courtroom. It's overwhelming. The dissolution of an order rarely
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indicates a reduction in threat. It usually just indicates a
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successful campaign of coercion by the abuser.
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Speaker 1: So the legal leache comes off in June, Stephanie Hevia
22:55
vanishes in August, and now the fallout from this entire
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timeline is to ding On West Feliciana Parish.
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Speaker 2: A parish that is suddenly under a massive spotlight.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to look at the environment where this
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investigation is actually playing out. It's a rural parish, relatively quiet,
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suddenly thrust into the center of an interstate kidnapping, two
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complex cold cases, and a swarm of outside attention.
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Speaker 2: And that outside attention is a major variable in modern investigations.
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The modern true crime ecosystem operates parallel to and sometimes
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in direct conflict with official law enforcement channels.
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Speaker 1: The sources actually highlight this dynamic perfectly. They bring up
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a podcaster named Woody Overton.
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Speaker 2: Yes, very prominent voice in this case.
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Speaker 1: He's a former Louisiana State Police employee who runs a
23:37
true crime show, and he has been very vocal about
23:41
looking into Morris for years. Based on listener tips.
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Speaker 2: He's been building his own case essentially right.
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Speaker 1: Overton believes the evidence against Morris is significant, and he's
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publicly hypothesized about the potential for even more additional.
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Speaker 2: Victims, which stirs the pot significantly.
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Speaker 1: Exactly when you have an internet sleuth, one with a
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state police background like Overton, broadcasting theories and collecting tips,
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how does a local sheriff's office incorporate that it seems
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like it would create a massive signal to noise ratio problem.
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For the actual detectives.
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Speaker 2: It creates immense operational friction. But you know it is
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a double edged sword.
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Speaker 1: Awso well.
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Speaker 2: The benefit of a figure like Overton is that he
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provides a shadow network for information.
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Speaker 1: A shadow network like an alternative to the police.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, people who harbor deep mistrust of the police, or
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who are legitimately terrified of walking into a precinct and
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having their name written down on a visitor log might
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feel perfectly comfortable sending an encrypted email or a DM
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to a podcaster.
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Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense, right.
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Speaker 2: That bypasses the intimidation factor entirely, and it can unearth
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highly localized, actionable intelligence that formal detectives could never access
24:50
through official doors.
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Speaker 1: So he acts as an unofficial clearing house for the
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community's whispers.
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Speaker 2: He does. But the cost of that shadow network is
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the total loss of investigat of control for the primary agency, because.
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Speaker 1: The police can't control what he broadcasts.
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Speaker 2: Precisely, when a podcaster broadcasts theories about additional victims or
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specific unverified evidence, it pollutes the jury pool.
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Speaker 1: Right, the defense could use that later.
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Speaker 2: Oh, they absolutely will. It also forces the local sheriff's
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office to divert precious resources away from, say, forensic analysis,
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just to manage public relations flare ups caused by a
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podcast episode.
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Speaker 1: Just putting out fires on Facebook exactly.
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Speaker 2: Furthermore, when you activate an audience of thousands of amateur salutes,
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the department's tip lines.
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Speaker 1: Get flooded with good tips, though no with.
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Speaker 2: Well meaning civilians submitting totally useless Google Earth screenshots or
25:43
analyzing the body language of the suspect from a ten
25:45
year old Facebook photo.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, So it just clogs the system.
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Speaker 2: It clogs it completely. The actual viable tips get buried
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under an absolute avalanche of Internet noise.
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Speaker 1: Which explains why the official channels are pushing their specific
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avenue so hard right now. They are desperately trying to
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recenter the flow of information.
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Speaker 2: Can you control the intake?
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Speaker 1: Right the West, Feliciana Paar of Sheriff's Office is actively
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utilizing their direct lines two two five seven eighty four
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three one three six and two two five six three
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five three two four one, and they are leaning heavily
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on the Capitol Region crime stoppers at two two five
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three four four s Staty P. And the P three
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tips app, which guarantees anonymity.
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Speaker 2: Because they don't want theories.
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Speaker 1: No, they want people who had physical contact with Madison
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in late twenty twenty three or Stephanie in the summer
26:31
of twenty twenty five, or people who can map Morris's
26:34
movements during those specific blind spots.
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Speaker 2: They are attempting to capture the specific hard data points
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that will convert a quote unquote person of interest designation
26:43
into an actual grand jury indictment.
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Speaker 1: It brings us to the stark duality of this entire situation.
26:48
You have the Sunday Night kidnapping, which was an acute,
26:50
terrifying crisis that ended in a measurable victory.
26:54
Speaker 2: Right law enforcement intervened successfully.
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Speaker 1: The victim was recovered safely, the threat was neutralized, he
27:00
was incarcerated.
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Speaker 2: A clean operational resolution.
27:03
Speaker 1: But that clean resolution sits right next to the sprawling,
27:07
unresolved void of Madison and Stephanie.
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Speaker 2: The contrast is heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: For their families. The Sunday arrest isn't an ending, It
27:15
is a violent shove forward. The investigation is currently in
27:18
a highly active state. Detectives are working through the fresh
27:22
leads generated by shaking the tree.
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Speaker 2: They are evaluating whatever physical and digital evidence they managed
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to recover during the Saint francis Ville arrest.
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Speaker 1: Right, and Thomas Morris remains in a cell legally presumed
27:34
innocent of the disappearances, while the machinery of justice tries
27:37
to close the gap between what the community suspects and
27:40
what the district attorney can actually prove in court.
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Speaker 2: And we have to remember the burden of proof remains
27:45
entirely on the state. Bridging a two and a half
27:48
year gap in physical evidence requires relentless methodical police work.
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There are no shortcuts here.
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Speaker 1: It forces you to rethink the foundational ideas we have
27:57
about safety in disappearing. I mean, when an adult vanishes
28:02
from a new town or walks away from a new routine,
28:04
the systemic assumption is almost always voluntary absence.
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Speaker 2: The default setting of the machinery is just to wait
28:11
and see.
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Speaker 1: But when you look at Lynn Rawlins fighting for two
28:14
and a half years buying billboards, refusing to let the
28:17
media cycle swallow her daughter's name, it leaves you with
28:22
a deeply unsettling realization.
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Speaker 2: What's that?
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Speaker 1: You start to wonder how much of our societal safety net,
28:28
like the actual mechanism that keeps us from slipping permanently
28:31
through the cracks isn't structural at all.
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Speaker 2: It's personal.
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Speaker 1: It's just the sheer, stubborn refusal of the people who
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love us to let the world move on without us.
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Speaker 2: That is a powerful way to look at it. The
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system has protocols, but it lacks endurance. The endurance is
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almost entirely supplied by the families.
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Speaker 1: That is the reality driving the search in West Feliciana
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Parish today. Thank you for taking this deep dive with us.
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Keep paying attention to those quiet, isolated details, and we'll
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see you next time.