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As Cubs look for more pitching, 22 trade names for the deadline · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Obviously, the trade deadline is an active time, so we
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  Speaker 1: know you're you're hungry for information. We are going to
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  Speaker 1: do our best to give it to you in this episode. Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: it's a it's a trade deadline episode yet again.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the hot thing to talk about. We're
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  Speaker 2: not going to stop.
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  Speaker 1: It was a it was a difficult week. I'd say
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  Speaker 1: I liked the weekend. I thought the Cubs looked really
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  Speaker 1: good over the weekend. Uh this week against Kansas City,
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  Speaker 1: that was not their best you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it was their worst series.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, be hyperbolic. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a good series.
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  Speaker 2: They just didn't.
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  Speaker 1: The pitching is under the microscope now, we you know,
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about it for over a month. That
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  Speaker 1: is the number one goal of the trade deadline, and
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  Speaker 1: I think it was just emphasiz with the performance against
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  Speaker 1: a bad offensive team that put up the you know,
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Boyd, an absolute stud shut them out, and then
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  Speaker 1: the Royal still scored twenty runs in that series. That's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just like it just really puts a spotlight
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  Speaker 1: on what the main obvious need for this team is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was perfect timing too for our purposes
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  Speaker 3: to have seth Lugo on the mound on was it
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  Speaker 3: ninety two degrees at first pitch? It was just gross,
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  Speaker 3: great day to hit. And you know, Lugo well before
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  Speaker 3: this was on the Cubs radar as like an interesting
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  Speaker 3: guy to plug into rotation. I think stat cast lists
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  Speaker 3: him as having ten pitches. I think it's very impressive
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  Speaker 3: how he took control of his career and said I
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  Speaker 3: want to be a starter and kind of like did
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  Speaker 3: not just kind of settle for a role, Like how
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  Speaker 3: many guys in spring training, Oh, of course be a starter,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's like one of the oldest spring training stories.
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  Speaker 3: But this guy over the years just proved himself in
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  Speaker 3: New York, he went to San Diego, He's been a
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  Speaker 3: big part of things in Kansas City, and that was
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  Speaker 3: you know, he was getting asked about a Teammates are
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  Speaker 3: getting asked about it in the Wrigley Visiting clubhouse afterwards.
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  Speaker 3: And I think he's kind of a good name here
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  Speaker 3: as we get into I think we have twenty two names.
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  Speaker 3: You know that the cups are on every single player
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  Speaker 3: who may get moved in the next week here. But
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  Speaker 3: pitching just has to be the focus. It just there's
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  Speaker 3: been too many sort of bullpen games, you know, even
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  Speaker 3: that last series before the break, they won a series
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  Speaker 3: at Yankee Stadium, but just what was it like eleven nothing,
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  Speaker 3: eleven to one, And then you have Shoda, you have
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  Speaker 3: Boyd pitching the rest of the weekend, and all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, it looks a lot better and you need
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  Speaker 3: you just need to lugging at least one legit accomplished
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  Speaker 3: experience starter here to kind of get you through these
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  Speaker 3: next couple of months.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to be too hard on Colin Ray.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's a time. Yeah, he's done really well, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's like. But he has his limitations and a day
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  Speaker 1: like that at Wrigley is just not a good day
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  Speaker 1: for Colin Ray to be pitching.
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  Speaker 2: He is going like he has to be perfect.
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  Speaker 1: And he wasn't. He he made mistakes to the wrong players.
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  Speaker 1: There are just players on that Royals team that you
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  Speaker 1: kind of especially when Bobby Witt isn't playing, You can't
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  Speaker 1: make a mistake to Pascatino.
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  Speaker 2: He's will crush mistakes, and he did.
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  Speaker 1: But Colin Ray has, you know, really admirable what he's
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  Speaker 1: done so far this season. You know, he's kept the
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  Speaker 1: team in games, he's helped them win games often enough.
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday was not a good good day for him to
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  Speaker 1: be out there. I think Seth Lugo's probably if I
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  Speaker 1: were to rank the rental, and I know Lugo's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a weird situation because he has that player option.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, any team that's pursuing him is
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  Speaker 1: looking at him as anything but a rental. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: the Royals will try and market him as not a
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  Speaker 1: rental or try to get more value for him than
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  Speaker 1: a rental.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's realistic.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, he's at the top of my list if you're
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  Speaker 1: if you're talking about the rentals, it's not a great
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  Speaker 1: list when it comes to rentals. His teammate is not
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  Speaker 1: a rental. I'm not sure if he's available, but he'd
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  Speaker 1: be a huge ad in Chris Boobache. We didn't see
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  Speaker 1: him this week against the Cubs, but that's a guy
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  Speaker 1: that you add him, you're and there's a few names
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  Speaker 1: on this list that we're going to go through.
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  Speaker 2: You add him, you're getting impact now and then.
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  Speaker 1: You you save yourself for spending in the off season.
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  Speaker 2: I believe does he have one or two years after this?
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  Speaker 1: Who We've been doing research on so many names that
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  Speaker 1: I lose track of who has he has one year?
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  Speaker 2: He has one year after this twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Six, But that's obviously a really good season. He's you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's got the peripherals to back it.
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  Speaker 2: Up solid ground ball rate.
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  Speaker 1: It does everything that you kind of want, and then
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  Speaker 1: you put him in front of the Cubs defense and
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  Speaker 1: he's even better.
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  Speaker 2: I like, boo, bitch, I think you'd be great.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if he's if he can be pried away.
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  Speaker 1: And I also think the Royals are probably still on
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  Speaker 1: the fence. I don't like they're just they want to win,
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  Speaker 1: they want to compete, and this week probably helped them
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  Speaker 1: kind of go. I don't think they're full on in
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  Speaker 1: either direction just yet, but probably nudged them in the
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  Speaker 1: in the soft buy at least the direction. So not
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  Speaker 1: ideal for the Cubs. Who knows what happens this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I think this weekend is big for a lot of teams,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll get.
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  Speaker 2: To some of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of finished my thought there of just
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  Speaker 3: the Royals are not kind of the Royals you thought
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  Speaker 3: of maybe when I'm trying to think of what age
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  Speaker 3: range that would be. But obviously they won a World
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  Speaker 3: Series title ten years ago, went through a down period
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  Speaker 3: and they've built kind of this interesting sort of team.
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  Speaker 3: They don't just like concede. I mean, clearly they're not
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  Speaker 3: as good as like or consistent as the Brewers have been,
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  Speaker 3: but they're also not like the Pirates. And listening to
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  Speaker 3: some of the answers yesterday in that postgame clubhouse, you
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  Speaker 3: get the sense of, well, look what the Tigers did
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  Speaker 3: last year. I mean, the Royals were a playoff team
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  Speaker 3: last year. They have this spectacular player as a centerpiece
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  Speaker 3: in Bobby Wood Junior. They have a lot of good pitching.
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  Speaker 3: I believe Ken Rosenthal or colleague wrote that Lugo is
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  Speaker 3: someone who the Royals would like to have a good
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  Speaker 3: relationship with going forward. You know, they expect to compete
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  Speaker 3: next year. He acknowledged that he's had conversations with the
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  Speaker 3: front office. So if I'm the Cubs, I'm maybe circling
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  Speaker 3: another team and they've been doing it for a long
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  Speaker 3: time here in the Miami Marlins.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the Marlins could look in
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  Speaker 1: a different a bunch of different ways. That there's one
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  Speaker 1: name that's just been out there since the winter. Really,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't going to trade him in the winter because
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  Speaker 1: they needed him to get healthy. But Sandy al Contra
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  Speaker 1: is the name everyone talks about. You know, I think
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  Speaker 1: both of us have heard enough recently that it's I
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  Speaker 1: think he had a good start recently, there wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: lot of good swing and miss in that start. From
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  Speaker 1: my personal opinion and everything that I've heard around the league,
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  Speaker 1: he just isn't that attractive to team teams looking to
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  Speaker 1: win now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think people.
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  Speaker 1: Believe that he's a bad pitcher or that he can't
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  Speaker 1: get back on track. I think what we're hearing is,
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  Speaker 1: if you're competing now, adding Sandy al Contra to the mix,
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  Speaker 1: isn't something that is an obvious upgrade to your rotation
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  Speaker 1: that maybe maybe it's not like a uh. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to call it a project because he's he's had success,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a there's work to be done to get
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  Speaker 1: him back on track.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think it's a quick fix.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a I think project. You back, you
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  Speaker 3: probably could use that with all due respect. Once you
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  Speaker 3: say with all due respect, you can say whatever you want.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Madden likes to quote, well, was that Will Ferrell movie?
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  Speaker 3: Whatever it was? But yeah, I just think if if
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  Speaker 3: you're a contending team, you only have so many trade chips,
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  Speaker 3: your budget only goes so far. There's only so many
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  Speaker 3: roster spots or rotation spots available, and I think to
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  Speaker 3: place that heavy of a bet on a guy who
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  Speaker 3: did not throw a pitch all the last year, and
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  Speaker 3: who has struggled for most of this year and is
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  Speaker 3: coming from a very unstable organization, it doesn't line up
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  Speaker 3: in my mind. I think there's another name though, in
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  Speaker 3: that rotation, and you can go all the way back
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  Speaker 3: to Lazardo talks this past winner. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: familiarity there, and I think there's a kind of underclub
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  Speaker 3: controlled pitcher who may make the most sense. What do
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  Speaker 3: you think, Sota?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Edward Cabrera has been really good lately.
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  Speaker 1: Just I think he's striking guys out. He's not walking
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  Speaker 1: as many guys of late. He's got the type of
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  Speaker 1: stuff that's kind of tantalizing. I think you talk about
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  Speaker 1: under control pitchers who haven't fully reached their potential. This
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  Speaker 1: is the type of guy I think the Cubs would
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  Speaker 1: love to get their hands on. I think a few
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  Speaker 1: teams would love to get their hands on Frankly, but
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we're talking about the Cubs here, and
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  Speaker 1: I think we kind of know that they they want.
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  Speaker 1: They've been talking about him along with Lozardo and other
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  Speaker 1: Marlins pictures. Since since November, they've been digging in on
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  Speaker 1: this guy. I think they like him. I think they
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  Speaker 1: like them a lot. I think if there's an under
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  Speaker 1: control picture that's realistically available, this may be or not
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  Speaker 1: only realistically available, but like eminently like very available. Right Like,
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  Speaker 1: the Marlins are trading guys and they're willing to move
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  Speaker 1: pretty much anyone. I think this may be the guy
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  Speaker 1: that's at the top of the list for the Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: I think they really would like to get him. There's
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  Speaker 1: I think he's trending in the right direction. I think
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  Speaker 1: there are little tweaks that the Cubs can make or
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  Speaker 1: adjustments that the Cubs could make. They could, you know,
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  Speaker 1: get him to an even higher level.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's got the type of stuff that makes you think,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, this is a top three in a rotation.
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  Speaker 1: It hasn't fully all clicked yet, but I think that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly the kind of guy you want to get. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's how they're thinking, is they you know, they they
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  Speaker 1: want to they want to acquire the guy before he
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  Speaker 1: becomes a stud U. But it's not going to be cheap.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a steal, but you get him
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  Speaker 1: for nothing. But that's the type of deal you could
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  Speaker 1: see some big prospects being moved and then it almost
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  Speaker 1: immediately paying off and saying, Wow, I didn't know how
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  Speaker 1: good this guy was.
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  Speaker 3: No doubt. And when you look at the landscape. We've
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  Speaker 3: talked about this before, but people in the industry are
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  Speaker 3: talking about it as well, like there's no cc Sabathia
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  Speaker 3: walking through that door, Randy Johnson, uh, that type of
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  Speaker 3: like no doubt slam dunk Ace. It's sort of this
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  Speaker 3: appearing from the game anyway, but it's not really an
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  Speaker 3: available option for any team at this point. So I
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  Speaker 3: think you have to sort of be open minded here.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, Santa Guitar is a much better headline,
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  Speaker 3: no doubt. And I get why people are really interested
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  Speaker 3: in him, like we just wrote about him, like we're
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  Speaker 3: going to keep writing about him, But Edward Cabrera might
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  Speaker 3: be better positioned to deliver the real impact you're looking
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he slots into the playoff rotation immediately
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  Speaker 1: if you acquire, and then there's a chance that he
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  Speaker 1: could be even better than what you think. Let's take
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  Speaker 1: a quick break and talk about another team that's kind
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  Speaker 1: You know this this time of year, Patrick is fascinating
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  Speaker 1: swept them.
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  Speaker 2: then they were swept by Houston.
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  Speaker 1: It completely changes the thinking, like, this is this is
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  Speaker 1: the team. I believe they're five and a half out
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  Speaker 1: now of a wild card.
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  Speaker 3: They're three under five and a half back playing Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 3: this weekend, so theoretically it could could again, but they're really,
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  Speaker 3: you know, given themselves, like almost no margin.
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  Speaker 2: For air here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is this is a team that I
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  Speaker 1: think you kind of have to assume.
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  Speaker 2: The way they're set up. They're there.
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  Speaker 1: It's a smart front office, it's an opportunistic front office.
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  Speaker 1: It's a front office that wants to compete. Absolutely, an
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  Speaker 1: ownership group that wants to compete compete. But I think
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  Speaker 1: they're also realistic and they're not going to They're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be aggressive buyers, but also if they have
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  Speaker 1: three obvious players they could sell who are on expiring
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  Speaker 1: deals to them or pictures. I you know, Zach Gallon
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  Speaker 1: is the type of guy that I would you could
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  Speaker 1: compare him to Sandy el Contra in the sense like
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy people were talking about as an
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  Speaker 1: ace in the past and he's just not there right now.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a different situation though there's not
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  Speaker 1: the you're not talking about like an innings limit because
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  Speaker 1: he's coming off a major injury. Uh, it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: as off, although the stuff may be slightly deteriorating, there
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  Speaker 1: are questions, but still an intriguing guy to pursue, and
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  Speaker 1: certainly a guy that is as competitive as anyone and
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  Speaker 1: would be really nice to add to a layoff rotation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Zach Gallen, Merrill Kelly. I'm sure teams
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  Speaker 3: have preferences. There are pros and cons for each one.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, beggars also can't be choosers sometimes,
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  Speaker 3: like there's I think either one of those guys you
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  Speaker 3: could plug in. You know, Gallen has that like game
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  Speaker 3: one starter potential, he's had, you know, that profile or
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  Speaker 3: pedigree to an extent earlier in his career. I'm not
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: sure he's there right now. But again, this is a
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: guy you maybe he just shows up. He's a guy
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: who goes off of feel something clicks, and he just
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: like gets in a groove at the right time. I
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: don't think that's unreasonable. I get that, you know, some
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: of these rental pitchers the cups might not be super
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: high on, but also what they're doing is not super
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: sustainable and you kind of have to, you know, make
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: compromises here or there. And I think we talked about
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: this in the context of a Uhenno Suarez becomes in Diamondbacks,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: have you know, long standing connections, they're going to be
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: in that mix whatever the Diamondbacks ultimately decide to do.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: And I'm with you, like they're kind of an unusual
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: operation and that they don't tank, but they've tried to
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: legitimately compete with the Dodgers, which is very admirable. But
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: also sometimes the season tells you what to do and
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: that you can't keep clinging to that. You have to
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: salvage something even if you still you know, leave a
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: little narrow room to try and get back in the race,
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: so you don't totally. You creater your team, but that
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: point is is very much fast approaching for them.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I like Kelly is he's kind of like a metronome
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: picture like, he's not like a going to dominate it
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: look like an ace or anything like that, but he
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: could make a playoff start for you, and you feel
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: comfortable with him doing that. These guys are the aces
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Patrick that we're going to talk about. I don't I
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: don't foresee any of them being moved, but there's a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: chance there's that small possibility, some more than others. For me,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the best one is Mackenzie Gore. If somehow you can
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: pride Mackenzie Gore, you you pay the price because now
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: you've added an ace to your rotation. He's under control
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: through twenty twenty seven. It just I mean, he's he's
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: taking that step forward to go from good picture to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the like he's pitching like a
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: top ten pitcher in the game. Now you have, I
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: mean to be able to push down Boyd and showed
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: him anaga. If you're capable of doing that by acquiring
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: someone that can do that, that that's now you're just
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: like the debate, it's not just they have the best
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: record in the league.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: It's like, let's talk about them as the best team
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: in baseball? How do that there?
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: That's very easy discussion to have, and it's a good
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: debate to have you add someone like that. It's gonna
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: cost a ton. I just don't think the Nationals are
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: going to give him up right now. They're so in flux.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're blown away. Maybe they do it,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: but it's hard to envision. That's a guy that I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: don't see being pried away. The Twins sound like they're selling.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Joe.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Ryan would be a hell of a get also maybe
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: hard to get, but I do believe the Cubs have
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: talked about him. There's been discussions about him. He'd also
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: fit in the front of their rotation like that. That's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a guy that I would just keep an eye on
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: because if the Twins decide, like, hey, it's time to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: really be aggressive with this, so I think it'd be
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: more would make more sense to move him than it
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: would move Gore, just because it just seems like Gore
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: is like right there at the top of the pitching
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: list as far as best pitchers in baseball. Ryan doesn't
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: get that much love, get that type of love. But
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he's pretty damn good as well.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Either of those guys I.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Think just changes the dynamic of the team. I think
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Ryan's probably more gettable. I'm not sure if either our moving.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked the phraseiuse there in flux because that
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: kind of describes this whole grouping we have here. In
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: our pre show notes, it was ace ish question Mark
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: was kind of this tier of picture of Mackenzie Gore, Joe, Ryan,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: and Dylan Cees. You know, I think having an interim
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: GM in Washington really makes me doubt the Nationals would
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: actually go through with that. The Twins are up for sale.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: They're kind of a hard team to read. Like they're from,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: you know, their president there, Derek Falvey's from like that
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Cleveland tree of sort of just you know, opportunistic, like
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: not really you know, fully in or fully out going
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: to try and extract absolute, you know, maximum value. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: then I mean, if I'll say Dylan Ceese didn't play
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: for a team run by AJ Preller, like I don't
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: think we'd hear his name out there like that. I
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: just don't get that. I know a J. Preller is
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: working twenty four to seven and he's got you know
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: the huge whiteboard, I'm sure, and it's constantly watching video
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: sending text messages. But like I realized Dylan Cees is
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: free agent at the end of the year, I realized
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the Padres have had some ownership questions as well some
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: various payroll concerns. But I just don't if you're trying
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: to make the playoffs this year, I have a hard
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: time seeing the snare in which you subtract Dylan Cease
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: and get a lot better, particularly because he is a rental, Like,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: what are you going to get for that? That's kind
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: of where I'm at with that group. Don't see them,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: not only don't see them coming to Chicago, don't see
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: them getting traded period.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a team that is going to be trading players.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates. They have a trio of names that are
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that are interesting, and I think one starter is more
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: interesting than the other. Mitch Keller always been tantalizing talent,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: really good pitcher, also under control. Andrew Heaney isn't It
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't move the needle for me.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: They need pitching, so if he's available, and that's what
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you can get. But he of the pitchers that we've
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: named that that are playing decently well, Like he's probably
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: lower on the list for me. I get it, you
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: need pitching to go after him, but is he Is
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he that much better than Colin Ray? Right now you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: need someone that just fills the spot because of Tyne's injury.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: But Mitch Keller is interesting because I think he's solid,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: but also the type of guy you get him into
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the Cub system, maybe he takes it another level. David
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Bednar has always been on the radar. I feel like
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: every like whenever when when he broke out that year
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: he broke out and it seemed like he saved his
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: best for the Cubs. Uh, there was a stretch there
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: where when he came in it was like, Okay, the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: game's over. I think he's a little older and the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: stuff is in you know, quote unquote decline, but he's
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: still he's still a great reliever. And if he's not
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: your obvious closer, he's he is a co closer, probably
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: with Polentia if you can pry him away.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like Keller is kind of illustrative of
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: just this market at large, of you know, he was
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: an all start out that long ago. He's having a
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: good season on a bad team. But you know, the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Pirates are under pressure here. This front office has been
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: on the hot seat for a long time. They're gonna
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: try and just ring every last bit of prospect value
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: out of this deal. And you have to take on
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: a significant amount of contract in terms of years and dollars,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: and like, if you're the Cubs, is that overall cost
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: gonna be worth it for a guy who you know
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: probably isn't jumping the line in front of shoulder or
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: boy to start a playoff game, you're gonna be getting
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: tie own back as a nice piece. I think maybe
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: you aim a little higher or think a little shorter
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: term here. Like we always say the cupsould spend more money.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: We're not like worried about that. But as a baseball operation,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to like maneuver this here, if you're
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: not going to be spending like the Dodgers, like, is
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Mitch Keller the guy you want to build around at
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: this moment, Because once you do that, you're taking away
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: from the future in a way that's not as obvious
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: as just trading a prospect, And when you combine them both,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: it's a lot. Maybe that one comes down close to
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: the deadline and it starts to make more sense. But
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: that was kind of our read at this moment.
• 27:28
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  Speaker 1: A team that probably wasn't expected to be among the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: sellers at the start of the season, but very clearly
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: sellers now, the Baltimore Orioals. I believe they've already made
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: at least one move and they're likely to make more.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Charlie Morton is someone that has had a lot of experience,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of postseason experience.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: He's pitched in big games.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: He's pitched really well in big games that can't be overlooked.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: He's he's got a five fifty eight e R.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: That's not good.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a really bad, but over his like
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a nine ish last nine ish starts. I believe he
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: may have even been moved out of the rotation. I
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: can't maybe I may be wrong on that, but.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe it was like late April they moved
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: him out and then you know, not long after they
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: fire brand and hide Morton works his way back. But
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I believe, well, first start out of the Altar break
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: was just bad.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the first start out of the Altar break was
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: really bad for him. Other than that, he's like for
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: i'd say for a few like outside of that awful April,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he's been pretty good. I mean since like even counting
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the bullpen like he has like an under four e
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: r a uh since since the very end of April.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Not dominant, not bad, like the type of veteran presence
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: that you could you could put in a rotation that
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: desperately needs a starter. He's he's pitching better, and it
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: would be like, you know, bet on, bet on the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: back of the baseball card, bet on the experience.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Uh, he's not completely done.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Uh so you know, is it is it the exciting move?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but it's it feels like
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: one that when Jed Hoyer talks about trusting what a
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: guy's done, Uh that you know, Charlie Morton could fit
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that mold.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're also in this period here where every
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: start is is magnified. You're looking not just that the
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: mattress was just simply is a guy walking off the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: mound like, you know, shaking his arm or holding his shoulder.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: And Orioles starter, Zach Efflyn just came off the injury list,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: looked pretty good. It was a back injury that you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: seemed to be more manageable than say a troubling our issue.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Guy's got some nice postseason experience. I just seems like
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: one of those kind of Cubs infrastructure guys. And I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: believe he's rental, you know, not gonna you know, kind
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: of have to break the bank there. So definitely Orioles
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: a team on the radar here.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would look at I mean, Zach Eflin
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: looks like a pretty good picture to me. Like a
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: nice addition. How about the White Sox Patrick brad Keller,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Chris Flexen, now Adrian Houser.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Why not started Versus showed him ANAGA like, let's see
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: that'll be a classic, you know, showcase type of event
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: for mister Houser.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: We got a guy with a seventeen point seven percent
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: strikeout rate but a one eighty nine era.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Solid ground ball rate.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: You know, like he's he's pitched for Craig Council before.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: H you know, are you betting on that's that's the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: guy that maybe the opposite of Charlie Morton. It's like,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, do we just see his best of
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the season as far as results, it's a risk.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: It is also a depth move.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: It would be it would be like similar to just
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: adding another Colin Ray to get you through a couple
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: of games, get you through the season.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: This is not someone you'd say he's starting in the playoffs.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: But you know what, like we said a lot that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: they need arms, they need depth, they need they need pitchers,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and and he if he continues to pitch, well, if
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: they're seeing something that they're like, hey, I don't care
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: about the strike out right, this guy is getting weak
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: contact and in front of our defense it'll continue. Maybe
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: maybe it's enough to keep it to Adam and you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: use him as a depth piece.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you know, the White Socks are
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: a team we don't expect the Cubs to make deals with. Like,
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: let's be honest, there are teams like the Orioles or
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: the Marlins that makes sense, or there's a dialogue or
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: you know, in the case of the Dimexs, their relationships
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: the athletics kind of do their own thing. These are
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: two names that are going to be out there. Just
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: there's no metric for this. But this does not seem
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: very Cub like. That would be kind of what I'm
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: looking for here. I'm talking about Luis Severino and Mason Miller.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Just don't think the Cubs are the type to go
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: all in at this moment for a closer, given what
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: it take, and you know, seven sevenos, there's a lot
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: of money left on that deal. I know he's been
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: a lot better on the road than at home, but
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: just does not seem like, Okay, that's like our move
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: is going to be like a disgruntled pitcher in Sacramento. Yea,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: and the guy who's been really good at times in
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: his career but has not have that steady long track
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: record that maybe'd be looking for. If you're gonna have
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to give up a lot of prospects and commit a
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: lot of future dollars at this particular juncture of this
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Cub's build.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean Mason Miller would be a great ad.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely is someone who probably hasn't had his best first
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: half the first few months of the season, and maybe
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: maybe the value isn't as high as it was a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: year ago. So yes, great, it would be a great
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: ads still going to be an astronomical price, would be
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: my guess. And then Severino is I agree too much money?
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I think to to like bet on that right now,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Like if you're if you're just betting on a guy
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: in an expiring contract thinking he has a better second
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: half or better final two months, Sure that's a lot
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: of money on that deal for someone that doesn't miss
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: bats anymore or misbats at a high rate. Uh, there's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a there's a group of bullpen arms that are really interesting.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: There's a couple that you know are are on expiring deals.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And then some impact dudes that that would be under control. Finnegan,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: We've talked about him, Kyle Finnigan, I think kind of
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: fits the Cubs system in a sense. Uh Uh, he
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: can play up in front of the Cubs defense.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Uh. Rys ill Iglesias is someone that.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: May I don't want to say, but fits that mold
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: that we were talking about with Charlie Morton.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Right. Maybe he's not having his best season. Maybe this
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: stuff's not exactly where it was. Do they see something
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that Okay? Projecting forward for the final two months, we
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: think he can be his best self.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Those are two expiring deals I think would make sense,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: are gettable, maybe not immediate. Insert them into Daniel Palencia's
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: role though, I maybe Iglesias because he's done that before,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: but he's not pitching at that level right now.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the other I think we can kind
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: of circle a division here, and that's kind of where
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: we started of what is the al Central gonna do?
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: We looked at the Royals starting pitching. There are two clubs,
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: in particular, the Twins and the Guardians that have those
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: back end relievers that are interesting. What do you got
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: on them? Yeah?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I mean Johann Duran is a stud just I mean,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: one of the best relievers in baseball. If he's available,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: you pay up the price and go get him. What
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: is it like he throws one hundred and two and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: has an upper nineties like splitter or something like that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: The guy's a freak so good. I think gripping jacks,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: you know like that. He's kind of interesting in the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: sense that I don't think the era is great. Yeah,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: he's got an above for R but he strikes guys
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: out like crazy, doesn't walk guys. I do wonder, like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: is that something that if he's playing with the Cubs,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: plays up.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I don't watch him enough to feel one hundred percent
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: comfortable in saying that, But certainly two names that I
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  Speaker 1: know are on the Cubs radar. Jacks is someone that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people in that front office like a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't, you know, can they prime away? Neither
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  Speaker 1: of those guys are unexpiring deals. They're gonna cost a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was noticeable being in Minnesota before the All
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  Speaker 3: Star break and just how the Cubs kind of talked
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  Speaker 3: about the back end of their bullpen that are just
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  Speaker 3: kind of like, well, if the Twins get a lead
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  Speaker 3: and like kind of don't mess things up, like they've
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  Speaker 3: just got like absolute, shut down, lockdown bullpen and that's
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  Speaker 3: how that's how they win their games. But if they
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  Speaker 3: don't get that early lead, if they don't catch the ball,
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  Speaker 3: like they're they're in trouble. They're not that good. But
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  Speaker 3: they have those like they have that October tipe A bullpen. Again,
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  Speaker 3: everything we said earlier about Joe. Ryan generally applies to
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  Speaker 3: that group.
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  Speaker 5: And then.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, we're going back to Cleveland again, Emmanuel Class.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know Guardians what they always sort of listen. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: they're very they're sort of hard to deal with, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not gonna give them away for nothing. They're
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: not giving them away for nothing. But but they listen
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  Speaker 1: on everyone. That's their philosophy. It doesn't matter what's going on,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll listen on anyone, and especially when they're not
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  Speaker 1: obviously in it. I don't know what their record is
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  Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but I think they're
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  Speaker 1: below five hundred or hovering around five hundred's that's the exactly.
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  Speaker 2: When they'll listen on anyone. They'll they'll go any direction.
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  Speaker 1: They they will trade guys with a ton of years left,
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  Speaker 1: guys on expiring deals, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: If you can give them value, they'll do it.
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  Speaker 1: All, right, Patrick, Those are twenty two names of pictures
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  Speaker 1: that you know, the Cubs are looking at everyone. We
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: could we could have made that list forty. Probably the
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Cubs are looking at pitching. You know, there's there's plenty
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  Speaker 1: of names to to consider. Over this next week. We
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  Speaker 1: got a week left. There will be moves there. There
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: will be moves made. The Cubs will add pitching for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the only question is who it is, how
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  Speaker 1: big of an impact. I think this this week has
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  Speaker 1: shown us how important it is to add some more pitching,
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  Speaker 1: both in the bullpen and in the in the rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Really solidify that you have an opportunity to do something
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  Speaker 1: fun this season. I don't think they. I think they
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it the same way. I think the front office, I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: think counsel, all those guys. I think they see it
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  Speaker 1: the same way. And we're gonna hear some things this
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: week and see some see some stuff that hopefully the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: fans enjoy. All Right, Patrick, thanks so much for listening
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  Speaker 1: to everyone. This is Northside Territory. We'll we'll be back
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  Speaker 1: with one more episode to wrap up this week and
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  Speaker 1: then it's three the White Sox of that huge series
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  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee right before the deadline. Thanks so much for
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  Speaker 2: Thanks everyone, Take