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Palantir and ICE, NASCAR’s Affair Lawsuit, Eminem Meets MAGA and Love After 79 | TMI Ep 467 · The TMI Show with Ted Rall and Manila Chan

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  Hello. Good morning. Happy Tuesday, October 6,
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  2026. I'm Manila Chan. That'd be Ted Rall. This
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  is the Manila Information Show, TMI show for
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  short, because we bring you way too much information.
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  On today's show, we have a couple of follow-up
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  stories, a couple of fresh stories. One, for
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  example, we've been staying on top of this. The ICE
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  surveillance case is probably trying to put the
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  kibosh on free speech, Ted. American citizens
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  imagine ICE doing that, first time ever. So we're
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  gonna cover some of that, then a follow-up that,
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  well, we're looking at one of the ten states in
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  the Union that still have the home-wrecker law
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  that's down in North Carolina. Wait, there's 10.
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  I thought that was just North Carolina. Wow.
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  No, ten states with the home-wrecker laws still
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  on their books and still being used. The North
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  Carolina one apparently is getting a workout
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  because Kyrsten Sinema is about to
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  go to court for this in a few days. But one particular
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  lawsuit involving a female NASCAR driver might
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  just be paving the way for Kyrsten Sinema's,
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  former senator Kyrsten Sinema, probably
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  her loss in court because the precedent, fresh,
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  it's right there. So she might be coughing up
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  some big bucks. Also, we'll talk a little
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  bit about the music industry and politics. Kid
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  Rock and Eminem joining up for some weird collaboration.
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  I will tell you what that's all about, and that
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  people on both sides of the political spectrum
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  are very pissed off that these two guys are doing
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  a second collaboration after, I don't know,
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  20 years or something. They've done one before.
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  And then, last but not least, we'll do a nice
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  happy story about love and dating when you're
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  old and gray. And I don't mean Ted and Manila
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  old. We're talking 80-year-olds
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  and grandma dating or grandpa dating in the nursing
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  home. It's a big hoopla because it's
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  all something to look forward to. Well,
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  loneliness. That's a thing. That's a thing
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  with old people. So I think it's worth covering,
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  but this is a happy story. And I think more
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  people should do what we're gonna tell you about
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  in the old folks' home. So there you go. Join us
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  every Tuesday and Thursday, 10 a.m. Eastern time,
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  and you'll find out weird stories like these.
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  Let's hop to it. Oh wait, I lied. We have to do
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  the breaking news of the whole deal with
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  the Ellison family buying, merging Paramount
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  Warner Bros. Discovery, all of that stuff.
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  So basically Larry Ellison is gonna own everything
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  in media. He's the new king of media. Step
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  aside, Howard Stern. And Ted, how do you feel about
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  Bari Weiss being all of our bosses? Because that
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  deal just fell apart, right? No, no, it just
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  closed right now. It's all gonna be Skydance
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  now. I know you hate the name. Well, it is. Come
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  on. I just think of the Lord of the
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  Dance every time, and I always think
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  of, truly, he was the Lord of the Dance.
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  This is truly, she was skydancing. Skydance is
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  a horrible name. And yeah, what was the
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  parent company of TikTok called? It also has
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  some stupid name. ByteDance. Yeah, also. I guess
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  I'm against all corporate names that end with
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  dance. All dancing? But it should be...
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  Paramount and Warner Brothers complete mega-merger
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  deal, creating new media giant Skydance. Oh, I
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  misread that, at the end of DeProgram.
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  Yeah, this is CNN reporting,
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  which is owned by Warner, which is owned by Discovery,
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  which is now owned by Larry Ellison, which, along
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  with CBS News, which Bari Weiss runs. Yeah, there's
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  been all sorts of rumors that Bari Weiss was
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  about to get fired. I keep reading those on right-
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  wing media, and then she never is. Isn't this
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  an antisemitic trope, saying that Jews control
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  media? Well, yeah, it actually is. It is actually
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  an antisemitic trope. Yeah, but is it true
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  if it's true? Okay, so what is true is that there
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  is a significant Jewish influence over the news
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  media and Hollywood. What is not true is that
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  they control media. There's a big leap between
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  sort of... You can't say the "they." Yeah,
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  sort of, okay. So it's, yeah,
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  it's sort of, for a time, this is not true
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  anymore, but many barbershops in New York City
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  were run by Uzbeks. So if you said there
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  are a lot of... Wait, what? Yeah, there are a
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  lot of Uzbek barbers, specifically Bukharan Uzbeks.
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  So I don't know how this
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  started, but some... When I went to Bukhara,
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  I had a hard time finding a barber, maybe because
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  they were all in New York. But the point is that,
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  so it's one thing to say
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  most barbershops in New York City are Uzbek.
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  It's another thing to say Uzbeks control the
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  barber industry. That would be an anti-Uzbek
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  trope. Okay. Well, so you got this dude
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  and Bari Weiss who control the largest multimedia
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  conglomeration in the United States, and they
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  control TikTok, and they control print media.
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  Maybe it's safe to say that possibly there's
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  a level of control there that really, well, up
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  above it all. It all starts with how this industry
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  started. Hollywood was literally started by a
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  bunch of Jewish guys. Literally all the studios.
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  Literally. So Hollywood was basically
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  created. Hollywood as we know it was created by
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  a bunch of ragtag Jewish guys. Yes, same thing
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  with the Las Vegas Strip
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  originally. And how did they get the
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  funding for that? Did they go to Gentile
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  bankers, Manila, or did they go to Jewish? Remind
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  me. Probably both. Right. I would think. Oh,
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  yeah. Mishmash. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure they
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  did, because that is history. Give them
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  a zero percent interest rate. So that, so it is
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  true that the founding of Hollywood was
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  by a bunch of Jewish guys. That's
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  all the big studios. Paramount being one of them.
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  Universal was another. I guess the question
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  is, okay, so this is a valid question.
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  It's partly semantics. It's partly not,
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  right? So if you say Jews control the media, then
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  it feeds into these World War II propaganda
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  Nazi propaganda posters of the Jewish octopus
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  reaching into everything and sinisterly
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  manipulating our opinions from behind
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  a curtain, and we're not aware of it and all that.
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  So the question is, is that a fair depiction of
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  what's going on, or is it just possible to say,
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  hey, the media is a business, and businesses
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  have different demographics. The New
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  York pizza business is controlled. Is it controlled
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  by Italians, or is it just dominated by Italians?
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  And I don't know the answer to this, if it's
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  semantics or... It's obviously
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  antisemites have repeatedly said,
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  basically, you're being controlled by a Jewish
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  media, and therefore the reason that,
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  and basically it's that sort of
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  Shylock kind of idea. Well, if you have Jonathan
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  Greenblatt, everyone's favorite Nazi. He's the
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  ADL guy. He's the head of the ADL. He's working
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  with YouTube and very wise on there, saying that
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  they are going through and they are sharing information
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  with an army of lawyers to make sure you can
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  never get married if they believe that you are
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  engaging in antisemitic tropes. And how are
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  they going to do that? By tracing you and then
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  destroying you with lawfare? That's a
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  pretty compelling case that it's not a trope,
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  that maybe there's something factually accurate
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  about it. Well, so I guess the question
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  is, should we care about this difference between
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  control versus domination? Right. And I don't
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  know. Only if you care about foreign policy.
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  Also, I'll tell you why
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  it's antisemitic, because the notion is
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  that all Jews be working together and all be
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  reporting to some kind of central Jew HQ, and
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  that they're all talking to each other. It's
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  true that if you stay in media, you will have
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  to eventually report to Bari Weiss. Right, right,
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  lead back to Bari Weiss. Bari Weiss is the Bari
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  Weiss at her lair beneath the sea with
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  the sharks going by her aquarium. And so
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  the point is, the assumption here is that all
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  Jews be cabaling together and
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  basically plotting and working
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  in tandem with one another. But let's face it,
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  these are also businesses, and
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  if one Jewish guy owns one business
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  and one Jewish lady owns another business in
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  the same sector, they're competing, right? So they're
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  not really conspiring. They're competing against
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  one another. So are they working together for
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  the betterment of the tribe? Well, that's
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  the difference. Well, that's the question, and
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  I think the thing is, there's no evidence whatsoever
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  that Jews get together to work
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  for the betterment of the tribe. I think
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  there's never been any evidence to
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  support that idea. It's no different
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  than, in India, Zoroastrians
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  have this reputation, the same. They're the
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  Jews of India, where everyone's,
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  they're secretive. They work in finance. A lot of them
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  are very successful business people. They work
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  in banking. And so people are, Zoroastrians
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  are up to no good. That's their
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  shit. And it's, the truth is, there's just
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  people just... I don't know. It's,
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  do all... Okay, do Italians conspire to work
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  together, the ones who are not in the mafia?
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  And even in the mafia, they're competing against
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  each other. It's, is it a big conspiracy
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  where they sublimate their own personal
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  self-interest in favor of the greater good of
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  greater Israel or greater
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  Italia or whatever, or either, right?
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  They can. It could be both in some cases, and the
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  greater good, but there's literally, I think the
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  idea that Jews are secretive and up to no
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  good and plotting against the rest of us is the
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  antisemitic trope that that plays into. So that's
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  why the semantics matter, but
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  do they greatly, greatly, greatly control Hollywood
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  and the media industry? Do I think, well, they don't.
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  They dominate it, or they are, for sure.
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  But the question is not, right. Sorry. Yeah, the
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  question is, what does that, I guess the question
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  is, right? What is the effect of that, and what
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  does it mean? How many mainstream multimedia
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  companies are going out and broadcasting the
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  genocide that Israel did? Okay, so that's,
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  you put your finger right
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  on the button, right? That's exactly the point,
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  right? So it's kind of, if they're not working.
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  Yeah, I like this. One of the things I like about
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  Robby. It's, so the thing is
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  that, if, let's just say, is it a distinction
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  without a difference, right, from the standpoint
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  of, is coverage of Israel and Gaza,
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  if many media companies are run by,
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  managed by, owned majority interest by Jewish
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  people who are more likely than not to be Zionist,
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  then is that going to affect our
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  coverage? Of course it's going to affect our
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  coverage. Thank you. Checkmate. However,
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  I will also say that there's been, as
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  Robby, in fact, I was just thinking about you
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  about this in the last 24 hours, Netanyahu himself
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  said 20 years ago that most of the support that
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  Israel gets in the United States is not from
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  Jews who, for the most part, have turned against
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  Israel. It's from the Christian Zionists, who
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  you always talk about. Yeah, which is true. And
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  both of those things are true. So it comes down
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  to, who is it that pays CUFI to go and geofence
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  around churches, find who all is there, and
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  then bombard the parishioners of those churches
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  with pro-Israel propaganda? Who pays for it?
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  It's the Vichy of Christians that are doing it.
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  Imagine that. So listen, I'm not saying all Jews.
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  That would be beyond stupid and beyond retarded.
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  And just untrue. And what I am saying, though,
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  is that global Jewry as a whole has a very
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  strong sense of in-group preference and identity.
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  And more often than not, they work together.
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  That's why they don't assimilate. They stay in
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  the tribe. The tribe always comes first. They
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  don't assimilate because of history and culture
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  and religion, but for the most part, that's the
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  result of the medieval strictures against them
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  that pushed them into working in finance and not
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  in other professions. That's why they work. That's
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  why. Well, you're making my case. So it's not
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  that they chose not to be
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  assimilated. In the 19th century and
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  early 20th century, European Jews were very assimilated.
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  My family came to this place from western
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  England and Wales. I assure you, I am not Welsh
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  in any way, shape, or form. I am an American. I
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  know you're reporting to big whales, and
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  I know you're part of the mining interests
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  that are Catherine Zeta-Jones as well. And big,
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  big rock-breaking, big rock-breaking, big poverty.
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  Have you ever wondered why Iran? Big cod. Big
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  cod is part of your thing. No, Ukraine is getting
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  decimated demographically in this war. And the
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  press games, have you wondered how they never
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  scoop up Jewish men to go fight in the front?
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  Do you ever ask yourself why that is? Well, I
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  don't. That's the first I've ever heard of that.
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  How do you know that? Research it. It's a thing.
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  It is a thing. Jewish guys do not get scooped
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  up. If you have the hat, you get a pass. All
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  right, so I'll fact-check you. All right, and
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  assuming that's true, then what? Then that shows
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  that if you belong to certain groups, that you
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  don't have to go fight the Russkies and get blown
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  up. You get a pass. But what does that show?
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  What's your point? What is that? Well, the point
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  is, who's the president of Ukraine, Ted? Yeah,
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  I know. And what ethnicity is he? I know. I
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  know. He's a pro-Nazi Jew. It's great. So you
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  think that maybe there's no problem with sending
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  Christian men to go get slaughtered? Christianity
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  is banned in Ukraine now, basically. No, Russian
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  Christianity is. Orthodox Christianity. Yeah.
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  Russian Orthodox Christianity. It all comes down
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  to in-group preferences. It all comes down to
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  in-group preferences. It's the majority over
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  the minority. I'm not finding this pattern. We
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  have. You'll have to send me later. I'm not
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  finding this. It's a pattern. No, no, no. If
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  you're Jewish, no muss, no fuss thing. I'm not
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  saying. I will say. Well, who controls the media
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  in Ukraine, Ted? Here I'm finding things like
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  young Jewish men are being scooped up, according
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  to anosh.org. Who controls the media out there
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  in Ukraine? There is no free press, remember?
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  So there's that. But anyway, so this is
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  what's going to, well, this is what we have to
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  look forward to in terms of media consolidation.
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  We're going to have remakes of shit movies over
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  and over and over. Well, that's nothing new there,
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  right? But it's going to get even worse.
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  What we really need
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  is more Spider-Man movies, because there's so
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  few of those. And they're all so good. And an
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  A.I. slop is my guess. Yeah, that'd be great
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  too. Can't wait. That is my guess. We're
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  gonna get more of that. What's that AI actress,
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  something Norwood? Oh, right, right, right. Yeah,
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  whatever her name. I hate the personification
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  of her. Yeah, no, I hate it. I hate it. You
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  are not a, if there's no you, there's no
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  you, right? There's no you, first and foremost.
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  There's no he, there's no she, there's nothing
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  if a dude that, even if he lobs
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  off his genitals and says, I'm a she, if a lot
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  of people reject that as a she, then why is this
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  thing that has no human form or body at all to
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  lob anything off or add anything to, why am I
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  calling her a she? It is
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  a fascinating experiment, but it's
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  also. It should be a healthy society. A
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  healthy society would reject this on its face.
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  This is what the future of movies and whatever.
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  Let's say you watch soap operas on TV. Now that
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  this merger has happened, the deal has closed,
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  $81 billion. This is what the future of media
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  is going to look like. True. Here's me and
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  Ted. I roll out of bed. Maybe I brush
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  my hair and teeth, maybe I don't. But this
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  is the reality. This is humans,
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  right? Are the viewers going to start moving towards?
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  I got to say, so this is, Manila,
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  this is kind of what this is. This
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  is an extreme version of things like yellow-
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  washing. So, the fact
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  that, what's the problem with David
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  Carradine being the star of Kung Fu? It's not
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  the fact that he did a bad job. He did
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  a great job. He was really good at it,
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  or any number of actors playing members of another
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  ethnic group than they really were. The
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  guy who played Gandhi isn't Indian,
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  right? But the reason that sucks is
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  not because they did a bad job. The reason it
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  sucks is because there are actors who actually
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  would fit those roles and are not getting work
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  and hardly getting any work at all, right?
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  Basically, there's tons of Indian-American actors
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  in Hollywood who don't work at all, and so,
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  or it was that era, though. We should note,
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  right, at that era in America, and
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  lots of Asian actors who don't get enough
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  work, Black actors who don't get enough work, and
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  so on, and that sucks. And so
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  the thing is, this is an extreme version of
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  that, where literally you're saying we're
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  not cutting out just Asians or Blacks. We're
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  cutting out all human beings. We're cutting out
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  humans from working on the set. Yeah, AI
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  can't unionize, Ted. AI can't take potty breaks.
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  It's H-1Bs on acid, right? AI doesn't need to
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  go to craft services. It's H-1Bs on acid. Again,
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  I would have no problem with these AI experimental
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  movies and stuff if the unemployment rate for
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  American actors was zero. If every American actor
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  is working as much as they want to, and then
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  some director's, wouldn't it be fun to have
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  an AI, quote-unquote, actress? I'd be, yeah,
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  that's kind of cool. Yeah, let's do that. It'll
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  be fun. But not when you have any unemployment.
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  No. But hasn't the industry kind of
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  done this to itself? For example, Netflix with
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  their show, Troy. I tried to watch. I'm a big
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  history nerd. Everybody knows that. I got to
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  get past the fourth episode. All the Greek gods
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  are Black. Troy. Netflix has a series out called
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  Troy about the Trojan War. Achilles is Black.
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  Patroclus is Black. All their gods are Black. You
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  have the new Odysseus. It's Hamilton. You
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  have the new movie coming out. Helen of Troy
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  is a bald Black lady. Seriously, they're doing
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  this to themselves. If no one wants to see their
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  crap, then don't be surprised if people start
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  turning to AI slop. Really? You think people
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  will turn to AI slop? Oh, God, yes. Absolutely.
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  You'll get more of it. It'll be cheaper. Absolutely.
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  Absolutely. I will. I do. Okay,
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  so I got it. I'm not sure I see the direct connection
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  between turning. I want to look to.
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  I want to see Hercules look. I'd rather
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  see the wrong-color AI rather see. I'd rather
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  see AI. No, they wouldn't do that. I'd rather
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  see AI Hercules, as I view it, as culturally
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  accurate as opposed to culturally inaccurate.
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  But I do agree with Robby. I do agree with Robby.
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  I remember when I was a kid, I came to New York
• 22:36
  for the first time with my mom. I was 10. We
• 22:38
  went to Central Park to the Delacorte Theater
• 22:40
  to see Shakespeare in the Park. And it was an
• 22:42
  all-Black production of Hamlet. And I remember
• 22:45
  just thinking, as a 10-year-old, this is retarded.
• 22:54
  I never went to see Hamilton. I know
• 22:57
  everyone says it's very well executed and everything.
• 23:00
  Again, I think it's stupid. I think it's just
• 23:03
  dumb. I also think it's really dumb that it's so hard for
• 23:05
  Black
• 23:08
  actors to find legit work. They're both
• 23:12
  dumb. It's, there could
• 23:16
  be some fuzzy things where the
• 23:18
  same handful of Black actors, could
• 23:22
  you use a Kyrgyz guy instead of a Kazakh guy?
• 23:26
  Sure, because ethnically they're basically the
• 23:29
  same. But when it's really, it is
• 23:32
  dumb to portray Thomas
• 23:35
  Jefferson as a Black guy, let's say, because
• 23:37
  he wasn't Black. And here's a good
• 23:41
  point. So a couple of years ago, the BBC, everyone's
• 23:44
  favorite news channel, came out with a little
• 23:48
  show called Britain in Roman Times, featuring
• 23:51
  all these Black legionaries. Yeah. Featuring
• 23:54
  all these Black legionaries. Britain in Roman
• 23:56
  times? Britain in Roman times. And Britain was
• 23:59
  a Roman province, complete with their Black legionaries
• 24:02
  and all this other stuff. And it caused a bit
• 24:05
  of a backlash. I remember
• 24:07
  that, yeah. And so where I'm going with this with
• 24:10
  AI slop would be... Because there were some African
• 24:14
  slaves, but they weren't legionaries. Yeah, for
• 24:16
  sure. And it wasn't a crap ton of
• 24:18
  them, the BBC had. Yeah, there were very,
• 24:20
  very few. Yeah. The geography is
• 24:23
  a thing, right? So the advantage, if you had
• 24:26
  AI slop, let's say if they're going to make,
• 24:28
  if you're going to make a documentary about Boudica,
• 24:31
  one of them, talk about a feminist icon, it should
• 24:33
  be her. So if you're going to do something and
• 24:37
  you're going to go with Boudica's rebellion using
• 24:39
  AI slop, you could actually have accurate armor.
• 24:44
  The accurate language, if you so chose, with Latin
• 24:46
  with English subtitles, just all English. You're,
• 24:49
  and if the BBC did it, at least half of the Roman
• 24:53
  legion and probably a quarter of the British
• 24:55
  would be Sub-Saharan Africans and Indians. I
• 24:59
  thought you're not gonna have that problem
• 25:00
  if you're looking for historic authenticity from
• 25:02
  a documentary film. That's the point that I'm
• 25:05
  making. These companies are doing this to themselves.
• 25:08
  People want an accurate representation of
• 25:11
  their history, and they also want to have media
• 25:15
  that reflects their culture. You're not going
• 25:18
  to get that with these woke Hollywood industries.
• 25:20
  This isn't going to happen. So why are you going
• 25:22
  to give them your money? You're not going to.
• 25:26
  They're doing this to themselves. By the way,
• 25:31
  I have never heard anyone... I want to hear the
• 25:35
  case for that. Let's have...
• 25:40
  Don't know. It's about diversity. They said
• 25:42
  diversity is your strength, because if you portray
• 25:44
  Britain, it's basic. They're trying to make me
• 25:48
  say it literally doesn't. The thing is,
• 25:52
  the number one thing you need the audience to
• 25:55
  go with you on a TV or play or movie is suspension
• 26:00
  of disbelief. It's the number one. Whenever
• 26:02
  I'm at the movies, if I find myself looking at
• 26:05
  the wall sconce or something, I know that
• 26:07
  the movie has lost my attention. Right. And I
• 26:10
  don't have suspension of disbelief anymore. That's
• 26:12
  a problem. And with a great performance, you can believe
• 26:15
  that Trump is Black or whatever. But
• 26:18
  the point is, it's all, even when
• 26:22
  on SNL, they have a white guy playing Trump.
• 26:25
  I'm, that's still not Trump. And it's hard
• 26:28
  for me to suspend my disbelief. Right. It just
• 26:30
  seems, what is the, okay? It's diversity, blah,
• 26:34
  blah, blah, but it's a business too, right?
• 26:37
  You want people to show up and buy tickets. You
• 26:40
  want people to understand it. It's a business.
• 26:43
  It's entertainment. And I don't understand the
• 26:46
  entertainment side of this. I understand
• 26:49
  wokeness. I get wokeness. I soak in wokeness.
• 26:52
  I don't get it. I got to get this train back
• 26:56
  on the track, boys. Let me just say something
• 26:57
  before we kind of go away. The BBC, when they
• 26:59
  were confronted with this, they said they were
• 27:03
  pushing back against nativism. Said that they
• 27:05
  portrayed Britain as a historically white European
• 27:08
  nation-state with a distinct culture, then that
• 27:13
  would give rise to anti-immigrant sentiment
• 27:16
  and create a backlash against the influx of immigrants
• 27:18
  that have come into the country. Well, Robby,
• 27:24
  it's no different than tearing down all the statues
• 27:26
  in and around Virginia. It just can't exist because
• 27:29
  we're just gonna erase history. There's a lot
• 27:35
  more to be said for that. I gotta say that's
• 27:37
  a lot more to be said for that, because those
• 27:41
  statues didn't go up during the Confederacy. If
• 27:43
  they had, I'd be the first to say those statues
• 27:45
  should stay, but they went up many years later,
• 27:48
  and they were put up by racists. They were put
• 27:51
  up as memorials, and the South is economically
• 27:53
  devastated. There was no money. The entire place
• 27:56
  was destroyed. So they were put up as memorials
• 27:59
  by people who were, hey, we hate
• 28:02
  Black people, so we're putting these out. The
• 28:05
  point is the same. If movies are
• 28:07
  not accurately depicting who
• 28:10
  the characters actually looked like, or in
• 28:13
  historical pieces anyway, what the actual human
• 28:16
  being looked like, even race-wise, it's
• 28:19
  the same thing. You're kind of
• 28:23
  erasing history and just rewriting it,
• 28:25
  just to Robby's point with the statues
• 28:28
  here, or getting rid of Robert E. Lee
• 28:31
  on anything in Virginia is, you just
• 28:34
  don't want to acknowledge his existence
• 28:39
  because it was a little bit messy,
• 28:41
  for whatever reason. I'm putting it lightly,
• 28:44
  but well-dressed nerd, thank you so much for
• 28:46
  the donation. Nerd says, fun fact, the actor who
• 28:48
  plays Inigo Montoya in The Princess Bride was in
• 28:51
  Spanish. He's an anti-Zionist Jew who played
• 28:55
  Gideon on Criminal Minds. Yes, that is,
• 28:59
  what is his name? He's a great actor. I didn't
• 29:02
  know he was anti-Zionist. He was also on Homeland.
• 29:04
  He's on Homeland. He's great. He's a great actor,
• 29:08
  Inigo Montoya. So yes, movies like that are not
• 29:11
  coming out, is my whole point. Is this big
• 29:17
  mega-merger, I think, is the kiss of death for
• 29:21
  unions of all sorts that are involved. Again,
• 29:26
  this hits close to home for me because I'm
• 29:30
  from L.A. So many of my friends that I know are
• 29:32
  in this industry in one form or fashion. I don't
• 29:35
  mean as an actor necessarily, right? So many,
• 29:38
  set builders, lighting, stuff like that,
• 29:41
  craft services. I know people in all those
• 29:45
  industries, and now it's gonna get wiped away
• 29:47
  because their jobs are wiped out, because if, let's
• 29:51
  say, you're in good with whoever the higher-ups
• 29:55
  are when the companies eventually all merge
• 29:58
  and you get one vice president
• 30:00
  of craft services for all of the Skydance, right?
• 30:04
  They're going to use the same craft services
• 30:08
  people that they like, right? So rather than have
• 30:09
  10 different craft services companies for different
• 30:13
  productions, you're going to go to the one craft
• 30:15
  services that you like. Don't you think that's
• 30:17
  going to be the case, Ted? Agreed. They're gonna,
• 30:19
  just so people are going to lose massive
• 30:22
  job loss all over the place in Hollywood and
• 30:25
  within all these production companies now that
• 30:28
  one mega-company owns everything. So there you
• 30:30
  go. Sad day for media. So here we are. There's
• 30:34
  going to be a bunch more homeless media people,
• 30:38
  I think, joining the landscape here. Yeah, that's
• 30:42
  true. Welcome. Welcome. The water's cold. All
• 30:45
  right. Let's get the train back on the tracks
• 30:52
  now. All right. Okay, so we were saying,
• 30:54
  the first story is supposed to be this ICE thing,
• 31:02
  and there's not a lot to say except you guys
• 31:05
  need to know this, what's happening now with ICE,
• 31:07
  because if you keep thinking ICE is not your
• 31:11
  problem because you're native-born, your whatever,
• 31:13
  Ted and I, Robby, we're all native-born. But if
• 31:16
  you think it's not a problem because you look
• 31:19
  like Robby or you look like Ted or whatever,
• 31:21
  here's why it's a problem. A newly unsealed federal
• 31:23
  court filing alleges that DHS, that those agents,
• 31:26
  collected pictures, license plate numbers, and
• 31:31
  other personal information on people just observing
• 31:34
  ICE operations in Maine, the state of Maine,
• 31:39
  which, ironically, ranked number one. Maine did,
• 31:44
  as the best place for work-life balance. Bizarre.
• 31:48
  But anyway, you can't. It's a very
• 31:53
  pleasant, Maine. Yeah, it's cool.
• 31:56
  It's very rural, and the population density is
• 32:00
  extremely low. Bangor, really, hold,
• 32:04
  it's a major city in Maine, and it's, I
• 32:07
  don't know, a hundred thousand or eighty thousand.
• 32:10
  It's the size of the suburb I grew
• 32:12
  up in in Ohio. Wow. Wow. I'm not, been, I think maybe
• 32:15
  I should go check it out. That's where Stephen
• 32:19
  King, I better make up that population. Maine, I
• 32:20
  think Stephen King is from Maine, and that's why
• 32:23
  a lot of, if you go to Maine before you come to
• 32:25
  Montana, I'm going to end our friendship. Oh,
• 32:28
  yeah, Bangor is 32,000. Only people live
• 32:30
  in Bangor. Again, also so cold as hell, Montana.
• 32:34
  But anyway, so some protesters. I think Montana
• 32:38
  is significantly colder. Oh, wow. Wow. God. What
• 32:41
  did you say, Robby? Yeah, it's just Maine has
• 32:46
  the humidity. Here, the mercury definitely gets
• 32:48
  lower. But with Maine, it's just wet because
• 32:52
  it's right there on the Atlantic, and you have
• 32:55
  the wind coming off the Great Lakes
• 32:57
  and stuff. So I didn't know that there was a
• 32:59
  lot of ICE enforcement happening there. But this
• 33:02
  is where the story is coming from. And the mosquitoes
• 33:04
  are the size of birds. Oh, God. Oh, they would
• 33:08
  eat me alive. So ICE is doing this, right? Taking
• 33:12
  pictures of people that are not protesting, Ted.
• 33:15
  These are people that are observing them,
• 33:18
  to make sure that they're being humane to the
• 33:22
  people that they are arresting. The
• 33:24
  dishwasher at some mom-and-pop restaurant, right,
• 33:27
  some brown person that might be the dishwasher.
• 33:30
  They're getting arrested, and people are taking
• 33:32
  pictures, and then ICE is counter-taking pictures
• 33:34
  of those people. So the case, oh, by the way, all
• 33:38
  this information is going into the Palantir investigative
• 33:42
  system. Palantir is providing the database, of
• 33:47
  course. Why wouldn't they? Palantir, why not?
• 33:51
  Well, everyone knows them as, privacy is
• 33:53
  job one. We'll keep your data private for us.
• 33:57
  The case raises concerns extending far beyond
• 34:02
  immigration policy. It shows how surveillance
• 34:05
  tools created for criminal investigations and
• 34:07
  national security threats can expand into monitoring
• 34:10
  Americans engaged in lawful political activity.
• 34:13
  The lawsuit centers on, here's the best
• 34:17
  part, Ted. You always say their names aren't
• 34:20
  great. This is called Operation Catch of the
• 34:21
  Day. Really? You laugh, but it's true. I'll have
• 34:25
  no privacy rights with a flounder, please. Thank
• 34:32
  you. Yes. The lawsuit is based on this operation.
• 34:35
  I'll have the red snapper and government anal
• 34:38
  rape, please. They named it Catch of the Day.
• 34:42
  That's the operation. Operation Catch of the
• 34:46
  Day was an ICE enforcement surge
• 34:49
  that was conducted in Maine in January. So in the
• 34:52
  coldest month of the year, they called it
• 34:55
  in that month. They were calling this operation
• 34:59
  Catch of the Day. For observers accused DHS agents
• 35:01
  of using facial recognition, commercial databases,
• 35:05
  and the agency's ICM system, known as its Investigative
• 35:09
  Case Management System, ICM, to identify and
• 35:15
  track people who were watching or recording the
• 35:18
  arrests. So according to the filing, at least
• 35:22
  six observers received ICM records. So you have
• 35:25
  this record built up around you based on your
• 35:30
  face. So they never have to actually encounter
• 35:33
  you. Some ICE counter-photos get put into this
• 35:35
  Palantir ICM system, and they populate who you
• 35:41
  are, where you live, your car, all that stuff.
• 35:46
  So they put you on a database, even though you
• 35:48
  could be as American-born,
• 35:51
  400 years
• 35:55
  into being in North America, Robby's family.
• 35:59
  You go into this database. So two people were
• 36:06
  reportedly labeled, quote, a threat to law enforcement
• 36:10
  slash professional protester. One woman alleges
• 36:15
  an agent warned that continued observation could
• 36:19
  result in placement on a domestic terror watch
• 36:22
  list. The agent denies mentioning such a list,
• 36:25
  but acknowledged that the warning to this woman
• 36:28
  that's on this new list could be arrested. ICM
• 36:32
  was built by Palantir for Homeland Security Investigations.
• 36:36
  The ICE division responsible for criminal and
• 36:39
  national security investigations. Excuse
• 36:43
  me. Information entered into the system can be
• 36:45
  shared with other federal databases, including
• 36:48
  the CBP that gets used when you travel. So when
• 36:53
  you come back through customs, you're now on a
• 36:56
  database. That interconnected structure creates
• 37:00
  the potential for mission creep. You don't say.
• 37:05
  Information gathered during an immigration operation
• 37:07
  can move beyond its original setting and influence
• 37:10
  border inspections, future investigations, or
• 37:13
  government encounters. DHS denies maintaining
• 37:17
  a database of American citizens who protest ICE.
• 37:21
  Government lawyers call the incidents isolated
• 37:24
  and say agency policy prohibits collecting information
• 37:28
  solely because someone participated in a lawful
• 37:31
  protest. A federal judge previously found that
• 37:34
  the initial record did not establish a widespread
• 37:36
  official policy, although the court acknowledged
• 37:39
  that evidence that individual agents may have
• 37:43
  acted contrary to DHS rules might be there. So
• 37:48
  it's not written in stone that this is what
• 37:51
  all the agents should do. But there might have
• 37:54
  been some rogue agents, Ted, taking pictures
• 37:56
  of protesters to put into a system. Rogue agents.
• 38:01
  So the First Amendment concern does not require
• 38:04
  an arrest or prosecution. Surveillance itself
• 38:07
  can suppress speech when people reasonably believe
• 38:10
  that attending a protest, recording an officer,
• 38:13
  or criticizing an agency can place their names
• 38:16
  in a government file. The plaintiffs say that
• 38:20
  it's precisely what happened to them. Some stopped
• 38:23
  observing ICE activity after being contacted
• 38:25
  or warned by agents, Ted. Because
• 38:29
  it's not a, hey, let me offer you a deal that
• 38:32
  you can't refuse. Not that at all. No. No,
• 38:36
  the broader risk applies regardless of political
• 38:38
  affiliation. Once government systems begin treating
• 38:41
  dissent as an investigative signal, similar methods
• 38:45
  can be directed towards journalists, religious
• 38:47
  groups, gun rights advocates, and environmental
• 38:49
  activists, Dr. Reese, abortion protesters,
• 38:53
  or critics of another administration. Police
• 38:57
  must investigate genuine threats, but lawful
• 38:59
  observation, protest, and criticism cannot be
• 39:01
  treated as evidence of criminal intent merely
• 39:05
  because they complicate the agency's work. The
• 39:08
  Maine case, Maine the state, asks a basic constitutional
• 39:13
  question. Can Americans monitor their government
• 39:16
  without the government creating dossiers on them
• 39:19
  to do so? And I would say yes. I'm not sure,
• 39:25
  but I feel there have to be some laws against
• 39:27
  the government creating a dossier on us moving
• 39:30
  about freely. Whether I'm a journalist or not,
• 39:34
  Ted, I, as a citizen, as a human, if I'm on the
• 39:39
  street and I witness the police doing something
• 39:41
  bad, the police, ICE, whoever, right, FBI, whatever,
• 39:46
  if I'm more than 10 feet away and I'm out there
• 39:50
  with my iPhone and I'm, holy crap, look
• 39:53
  at what this agency is doing, this drug bust
• 39:57
  or whatever, and I start recording, and then one
• 39:59
  of the agents will walk over to me and it's,
• 40:02
  I wouldn't do that if I were you, sweetheart.
• 40:06
  And I'm, I'm within my legal rights. I'm
• 40:09
  not interfering with whatever you're doing. I'm
• 40:12
  30 feet away. I'm 10 yards away or
• 40:14
  whatever. But then that's enough to get me on
• 40:20
  a terror watch list now. That's how this
• 40:25
  works. And then you receive the phone call
• 40:27
  a few days later, Ted. How chilling to
• 40:30
  free speech is this? It's going on a Palantir
• 40:34
  server somewhere into a database. This is obviously
• 40:40
  meant to get the whole U.S. population in line
• 40:44
  for God only knows what's coming up next. Palantir.
• 40:49
  Oh, it's terrifying, for sure. Look,
• 40:55
  this is obviously... This is, I gotta say, though,
• 40:59
  Manila, this is not really new, and the problem
• 41:02
  is that the left has put up with this way too
• 41:04
  much. For example, at protests for many
• 41:08
  years, under both Republican and Democratic administrations,
• 41:12
  drones have been following and photographing
• 41:15
  protesters and cataloging their facial recognition,
• 41:19
  identifying markers. If you're arrested
• 41:23
  at a protest demonstration, and the police
• 41:27
  come into your phone, they will
• 41:30
  attach a device to it and drain all of its
• 41:34
  data and store it. So when you go to a protest,
• 41:38
  you should not bring your phone. It's,
• 41:41
  yeah, but now they're saying you,
• 41:43
  they're gonna capture your
• 41:45
  face and put you into facial recognition software.
• 41:48
  How is this any different? Thugs are gonna
• 41:50
  show up to your house. So I'm just saying,
• 41:53
  you can't even show up. If you cover your
• 41:55
  face, then people are, oh, see, you're
• 41:57
  a terrorist, right, showing up by virtue of showing
• 42:01
  up, right? There's just no, there is no
• 42:06
  more free speech. The free press has died a long
• 42:09
  time ago, and that's not a reference to
• 42:11
  Bari Weiss's stupid publication that 10 people
• 42:15
  read, and somehow she sold it for $150 million.
• 42:18
  I know. God. Smart business move, though.
• 42:21
  I gotta say, I'm very jealous. What a racket.
• 42:25
  God, I'm very jealous of that. But still, the
• 42:27
  actual free press is dead. And now free speech
• 42:30
  is dead. So this is it. Palantir is
• 42:34
  putting the final death blow to free speech.
• 42:39
  I don't know how you turn this ship around,
• 42:42
  Ted. Has, is it just the horse out of the
• 42:45
  barn? You can't. Without a revolution, you can't
• 42:47
  do anything. So you don't think there's no
• 42:51
  way that we can peacefully somehow be,
• 42:56
  look, we're going back to protesting. Sugar on
• 43:00
  top. Mr. Stasi, could you stop spying on us and
• 43:03
  being creepy? Pretty please. I don't know. It's
• 43:06
  bleak, and it's just, so we have the Flock
• 43:09
  cameras observing everybody everywhere just because
• 43:12
  you're going to the grocery store, right? They're
• 43:14
  watching you. When you drive to the grocery
• 43:16
  store, they're watching you when you're
• 43:19
  pulling your underwear out of your
• 43:22
  butt. When you get out of your car, they're watching
• 43:24
  you. They're watching you. And then if you show
• 43:27
  up and you happen to stumble across an ICE raid
• 43:31
  on some poor civilian just trying
• 43:36
  to wait at the bus stop to take them to their
• 43:39
  hourly-wage job, and you videotape that, you're
• 43:43
  now on a watch list somewhere. Yes, you are.
• 43:45
  This is Big Brother on steroids, and it's
• 43:48
  terrifying for me, and I don't know how
• 43:50
  we escape this anywhere in the world, because
• 43:52
  if you go to any, I guess any first-
• 43:59
  world nation that's a big city, from L.A.
• 44:04
  to Chicago to New York City to D.C. to what we
• 44:09
  can go, we can go to London to Paris, they've all
• 44:12
  got the same thing going. They've all got the
• 44:14
  cameras. They've all got the Big Brother, the
• 44:17
  eye in the sky watching everything you're doing.
• 44:19
  So where do people go if they value any kind
• 44:23
  of human personal privacy and expectation of
• 44:28
  a little bit of semblance of autonomy? Where
• 44:32
  does one go? You really have to become a
• 44:35
  Ted Kaczynski and go into the fucking woods.
• 44:38
  Yeah. There's nothing else you can do. Palantir
• 44:41
  is just taking over everything, and Flock cameras.
• 44:43
  And that's it. I don't know how, I don't know
• 44:47
  what else, but it's not a happy Tuesday, y'all.
• 44:51
  So if you want some freedom, I don't know where
• 44:53
  you go. I really don't. Not in this country.
• 44:57
  Yeah. Tara Wild has a question for y'all.
• 45:00
  Who is it that owns Palantir, and is it a trope?
• 45:04
  Peter Thiel. Is it a trope? Peter Thiel is a
• 45:07
  Christian. Is that the trope? Peter Thiel is a
• 45:12
  Christian, and no, and that's, JD
• 45:17
  Vance is his boy. Yeah, it just all kind
• 45:20
  of just goes. But you can't be homosexual
• 45:21
  and a Christian. Sorry, that doesn't work. But
• 45:23
  anyway, lots of priests are.
• 45:27
  They're not Christians. They're reprobates,
• 45:31
  or otherwise known as shepherds, wolves in sheep's
• 45:33
  clothing. But the point that I'm trying to make
• 45:35
  is, it kind of goes back to our discussion earlier
• 45:37
  about who owns Hollywood and why. Surprise! It's
• 45:42
  the tribe. But Palantir is not the tribe, because
• 45:46
  Peter Thiel is a Christian, no? Yep, I think
• 45:50
  Peter Thiel is Christian. Yeah. He has a weird
• 45:53
  obsession with the second coming of Jesus
• 45:57
  and Satanism. He's gay, though, right?
• 46:03
  He's gay. He is raised as an evangelical. Evangelical.
• 46:10
  Wow. Yeah, he says he inherited the Christianity
• 46:15
  of his parents, but he said his beliefs are somewhat
• 46:18
  heterodox. He told The New Yorker, I believe Christianity
• 46:21
  to be true. I don't feel a compelling need to
• 46:24
  convince other people of that. Okay, yeah, so
• 46:30
  a Christian owns that one, so I don't know. I
• 46:34
  don't know. There's that story. All right. Let's
• 46:36
  go to the next one. A former NASCAR driver may
• 46:44
  have discovered that in North Carolina, an extramarital
• 46:47
  affair can cost more than a wrecked race car.
• 46:50
  A jury in Davidson County, North Carolina, awarded
• 46:54
  Tracy Hughes $850,000 after finding former NASCAR...
• 47:00
  $850,002. That's imperative to the story. Don't
• 47:05
  forget that two spot. Don't forget that Thomas
• 47:07
  Jefferson. After finding former NASCAR truck
• 47:11
  series driver Jennifer Jo Cobb liable for interfering
• 47:15
  in Hughes's 17-year marriage to Clayton Odey
• 47:20
  Hughes. Clayton was a longtime spotter for Cobb's
• 47:23
  racing team. According to the lawsuit, Cobb repeatedly
• 47:28
  called and texted him while he was traveling
• 47:30
  to races and arranged secret meetings with him
• 47:32
  before the Hughes marriage ended in 2021. Their
• 47:36
  eyes locked in the pit, hello, cutie. Tracy
• 47:45
  Hughes sued Cobb in 2024 using two old common-
• 47:49
  law claims still recognized in North Carolina,
• 47:53
  alienation of affection and criminal conversation.
• 47:56
  Wow, criminal conversation. That seems it
• 48:00
  would violate the First Amendment, wouldn't it?
• 48:02
  Alienation of affection allows someone
• 48:05
  to sue a third party accused of intentionally
• 48:08
  damaging a loving marriage. So it's kind of the
• 48:11
  romance version of tortious interference
• 48:16
  with contract, right? Someone fucking up your
• 48:19
  business relationship. It does not necessarily
• 48:22
  require proof of sex. Criminal conversation,
• 48:25
  despite the ominous name, is a civil claim involving
• 48:28
  sexual relations with someone else's spouse.
• 48:31
  The jury gave Hughes $50,000 for alienation
• 48:34
  of affection and $800,000 for criminal conversation.
• 48:38
  Jurors then added one dollar in punitive
• 48:42
  damages for each claim, bringing the grand total
• 48:45
  to $850,002. So I guess they didn't really believe
• 48:48
  it was punitive. They felt it was compensatory,
• 48:51
  right? Hughes said the case gave her a sense
• 48:55
  of power and vindication after her life was turned
• 48:58
  upside down. She said that pursuing it forced
• 49:01
  intensely private details of her marriage into,
• 49:04
  of course, a public courtroom. Cobb denied the
• 49:07
  allegations and said the matter isn't finished.
• 49:10
  The final judgment hasn't yet been entered, and
• 49:13
  post-trial motions remain pending. I don't know
• 49:15
  if they can appeal. The verdict arrives while
• 49:19
  former Arizona senator Kyrsten Sinema is fighting
• 49:23
  a remarkably similar lawsuit in the same state.
• 49:26
  Heather Ammel accuses Sinema of breaking up her
• 49:30
  marriage by having an affair with her husband,
• 49:33
  Matthew Ammel, who worked on Sinema's security
• 49:36
  detail. Ah, love over the metal detector. I love
• 49:40
  you, cutie. Sinema has acknowledged that the
• 49:43
  relationship became romantic and sexual, but
• 49:46
  argued that North Carolina didn't have jurisdiction
• 49:48
  because the physical relationship occurred somewhere
• 49:51
  else. A federal judge said, yeah, no, we're not.
• 49:54
  We're going to reject that. Said that nine messages
• 49:57
  that Sinema allegedly sent Matthew while he was
• 49:59
  in North Carolina created enough connection for
• 50:03
  the lawsuit to proceed. I think the judge is
• 50:05
  probably right. Most states eliminated these
• 50:09
  so-called home-wrecker lawsuits decades ago.
• 50:12
  North Carolina still allows them, and the Cobb
• 50:15
  verdict demonstrates that they're more than dusty
• 50:17
  legal leftovers. So that's super interesting.
• 50:22
  If you live in one of those states, you have
• 50:23
  to be aware of that. What do you think of that
• 50:29
  law? Well, first of all, I think this
• 50:32
  spells trouble for Sinema. I think she's going
• 50:35
  to lose to Mrs. Ammel. She's going to have
• 50:38
  to pay up. And remember, we reported how
• 50:42
  the man in the story, Mr. Ammel, he went
• 50:48
  and wrecked Kyrsten Sinema's house while she
• 50:51
  was gone and was, how dare you continue
• 50:56
  to speak about our entanglement
• 51:01
  in court, because Sinema is fighting the wife,
• 51:04
  and she's, I'm gonna
• 51:08
  stand up in court and spill it all. And
• 51:11
  Mr. Ammel got pissed, went to her house a few
• 51:13
  weeks ago and destroyed stuff, was dropping paintings,
• 51:16
  expensive art. I guess the senator is an
• 51:20
  art collector, and he started dropping her shit
• 51:22
  into the pool. So I don't think that's going
• 51:25
  to compel her to stop, Ted. I think she's even
• 51:27
  more angry and going to spill more beans when
• 51:31
  she gets her day in court, which is coming up.
• 51:33
  I don't know if it's, it might be this week.
• 51:36
  But I think this spells trouble for Sinema. This
• 51:40
  is precedent now. Now Mrs. Ammel's attorney
• 51:43
  is going to have this very, very fresh precedent
• 51:46
  in North Carolina to point to and be, look
• 51:50
  what happened. Look what happened here with other
• 51:53
  famous people. Look. And I think that's donezo
• 51:57
  for Kyrsten Sinema. But as far as this law, do
• 52:01
  you think this is too antiquated, or do you think
• 52:05
  this is something that a home-wrecker
• 52:11
  should face some kind of reckoning?
• 52:15
  I think it's completely antiquated for a couple
• 52:18
  of reasons. I don't even think it makes sense.
• 52:20
  It ever made sense. So first of all, it's not
• 52:22
  even about it being old-fashioned. To me, it's
• 52:25
  about the fact that, okay, having, and I'm
• 52:28
  saying this self-interested in that I have had
• 52:30
  sex with married women. So I would not have wanted
• 52:33
  to be sued in North Carolina for this. Look,
• 52:36
  when I got hit on by a married woman, I was thinking
• 52:41
  to myself, okay, this is a little weird. She's
• 52:43
  married. But it's also, it's not my oath.
• 52:46
  I didn't stand up in front of all my friends
• 52:49
  and family and say, I will be loyal to this person
• 52:53
  forever and ever. It's her oath. And if
• 52:55
  she wants to break her oath, that's between her
• 52:58
  and her husband and her God, if she has one,
• 53:00
  right? It's not my business. So I feel it's
• 53:04
  if you're cheated upon, that's between,
• 53:09
  your beef is with your spouse. Your beef is not
• 53:13
  with the person who cheated with you.
• 53:16
  You're, it's a distraction. It's
• 53:18
  almost you're letting your spouse off
• 53:21
  the hook for their actions. Well, no, because
• 53:25
  then in divorce court, maybe, if you
• 53:27
  win this case, if you win this lady, Mrs.
• 53:32
  Hughes, if Mrs. Hughes takes this to court for
• 53:38
  in her divorce and says something about
• 53:40
  it in her filings, I think that strengthens her
• 53:42
  case to be, Billy Bob or whatever his
• 53:46
  name is, pay up, buddy. It's your turn now. I got
• 53:51
  your girlfriend. Now you pay up.
• 53:56
  Certainly the wife who was cheated
• 54:00
  on was the victim and victimized by two people.
• 54:03
  I would say not only her husband, but the other
• 54:07
  lady, the NASCAR lady, also, I guess,
• 54:12
  by North Carolina laws and standards, perpetrated
• 54:16
  a crime against Mrs. Hughes. Sure. So,
• 54:21
  in some way, I think that, it's meant to
• 54:24
  deter people. It's going to make people more
• 54:29
  careful, I think. That's all it's going to do.
• 54:32
  People, cheaters
• 54:35
  gonna cheat. That's my theory. I realized that
• 54:38
  when I had my fixer in Afghanistan in a Taliban-
• 54:43
  controlled city, was, oh, I'll be back
• 54:46
  later. I'm going off for a sexual assignation.
• 54:49
  I was, oh, really? Who are you having
• 54:50
  sex with? And he's, oh, the wife of a Taliban
• 54:53
  commander. And I'm, that's risky. They
• 55:01
  still had stonings in that town. And he goes,
• 55:07
  yeah, but she's so hot. And I'm, and that's
• 55:10
  when I kind of had... Did you see her eyes? Well,
• 55:13
  he saw more than her eyes. And I guess the point
• 55:15
  is that, realistically, I was
• 55:20
  thinking that informed me. I was, if
• 55:23
  a dude is willing to risk that for sex,
• 55:28
  think about the Catholic
• 55:30
  priests who ruin their entire lives and their
• 55:33
  life, and they break their oath to God. And
• 55:38
  the risk that they take just to
• 55:40
  get a little wet hole somewhere.
• 55:43
  That is not cool. And it's, but the
• 55:46
  point is that sex is such an incredibly powerful
• 55:49
  drive. Yeah, if people
• 55:54
  be needing sex, they'd be getting it.
• 55:56
  But also, the point is, here's the real,
• 55:59
  the thing about the home-wrecker law that
• 56:01
  sucks, I think, it's, look, this marriage was
• 56:05
  not good. The pretense here is that
• 56:09
  if this harlot hadn't looked across
• 56:13
  the, looked across the whatever that's called,
• 56:16
  the pit, right? If it was pit
• 56:19
  love, what happens in the pit stays in the pit.
• 56:23
  Love under the checkered
• 56:25
  flag. Why, it's a vroom, vroom. You
• 56:30
  can do this all day long. But
• 56:33
  they're going for a motor running, high-octane
• 56:36
  love. That one's good. All the
• 56:39
  pistons. Yeah, a lot of puns here. Oh, my God.
• 56:42
  I want to see this. Is that your good luck? Is
• 56:44
  that your axle, or are you happy to see me? But
• 56:46
  the point is that there's so, there's so
• 56:49
  many, I can drive that stick shift. Oh, I'd like
• 56:53
  to ride that stick. But the point is that there's
• 56:57
  so, it's sort of the wife here, the
• 57:02
  wrong, the aggrieved wife. The lawsuit kind
• 57:06
  of assumes that her marriage was great until
• 57:09
  this slut came in and fucked it up. No, her marriage
• 57:12
  was not great. And the reason that's not necessarily
• 57:15
  true. The fact that she's, the fact that he cheated
• 57:18
  proved that their marriage wasn't good, because
• 57:21
  there are people that have stepped out while
• 57:24
  they love their wife. They love their life
• 57:26
  with their spouse, but they just get
• 57:29
  wrapped up in a moment, and they make mistakes,
• 57:31
  or they carry on. That's true. There's a lot of
• 57:34
  that. I know people that were in that
• 57:38
  sticky situation, sure. No, that is lubed up,
• 57:43
  WD oil, Pennzoil lubed up. These
• 57:48
  people, somehow in my mind, that's their
• 57:51
  affairs. They're all in the pit,
• 57:54
  motor oil, NASCAR people. I don't know. But
• 58:01
  this, I feel, if it's, if the law's
• 58:06
  there, you guys know what you entered into in
• 58:09
  your home state, or at least you would
• 58:11
  think that somebody has told you that your home
• 58:15
  state would make you pay up if you
• 58:22
  not only are the spouse, but you are the other
• 58:25
  person, the other man, the other woman, whatever,
• 58:27
  the other, they, them. So if you're in one of
• 58:31
  these states. Well, also, the kids have to be
• 58:33
  factored in if there are any. It does
• 58:36
  more damage than just the two adults. Absolutely.
• 58:39
  Absolutely. If it helps deter people from getting
• 58:44
  involved in these sticky situations, I'd say
• 58:46
  it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's a pro-
• 58:49
  family thing. It's a pro-family thing. Look,
• 58:52
  I've never cheated on any boyfriend I've ever
• 58:55
  had. Have I wanted to? Sure, it's happened before,
• 59:01
  Ted. You know this. As a journalist, sometimes
• 59:04
  you're on location for a story, and sometimes
• 59:10
  it's a cool, exotic place, right? Sure. And sometimes
• 59:14
  you pair up, you buddy up with somebody, and
• 59:17
  you feel a little something, right? Sure. And
• 59:21
  I wasn't married, obviously, at the time, but
• 59:23
  still, did it cross my mind to cheat?
• 59:26
  Was I enticed and wanted to, even though I was
• 59:28
  perfectly happy in my relationship?
• 59:33
  Sure. And it crossed my mind. Did I stop myself?
• 59:36
  Yes. But I'm saying, and that's because
• 59:39
  your marriage was in good shape. That's,
• 59:42
  I guess it wasn't marriage. That was, your
• 59:44
  relationship was in good shape. I live, my
• 59:46
  live-in boyfriend. Yeah, so that's why,
• 59:51
  I guess, you're keeping your, you're maintaining
• 59:53
  my point here. No, but I'm saying for people that
• 59:56
  are in good relationships, sometimes they
• 1:00:01
  step out because they just give in to the moment.
• 1:00:03
  That's all. It's not necessarily because
• 1:00:07
  their partner at home is shit. It just means they're
• 1:00:11
  wrapped up in this moment. That's all that
• 1:00:15
  means. It doesn't necessarily mean the
• 1:00:17
  person back home is shit. So I could see both
• 1:00:21
  sides of this. But I think if you get, wherever
• 1:00:23
  you get married, I just don't think it's,
• 1:00:25
  I think if you're cheating, remember
• 1:00:28
  your contract. Your beef is not with
• 1:00:32
  the other person. Yeah, but if the other person,
• 1:00:37
  let's say the married person that steps
• 1:00:43
  out made the mistake a couple of times and was,
• 1:00:46
  okay, I can't, I'm not, I gotta stop this,
• 1:00:50
  this was wrong, we gotta end this. There
• 1:00:52
  are cases like that too, where the other woman
• 1:00:54
  or the other man continued to chase that married
• 1:00:57
  person. And I could see how... That's true. So
• 1:01:01
  I could see how... But again, it's still not really,
• 1:01:03
  it's still, your beef is not with them, because you don't have a deal with
• 1:01:06
  them. What I mean? No, I wonder if there
• 1:01:08
  are cases, Ted, where people have stayed married,
• 1:01:12
  but the spouse still pursues the home-wrecker
• 1:01:16
  law, right, against the other person.
• 1:01:19
  What I mean? Yeah, because just the situation
• 1:01:22
  I just described here, let's say
• 1:01:24
  you, as a married couple, decide, I can get over
• 1:01:27
  you stepping out. We've gone through therapy.
• 1:01:31
  We've been together for 30 years. We don't
• 1:01:33
  want this to dissolve, right? But then that third
• 1:01:36
  party, that other person, the boyfriend or girlfriend
• 1:01:40
  or whatever, the other man or woman, won't leave
• 1:01:43
  the married couple alone. So there's that also.
• 1:01:47
  So I wonder if there's cases. But anyway, this
• 1:01:51
  is bad news, I would say, for Kyrsten Sinema.
• 1:01:54
  What do you think? Yeah, I think she's in trouble.
• 1:01:57
  Plus, she doesn't seem the most sympathetic.
• 1:02:01
  A character. Once she's simple, once,
• 1:02:05
  seriously, I don't think, I remember
• 1:02:09
  being in a trial where I was up against another,
• 1:02:10
  I was the plaintiff, and the two lawyers
• 1:02:13
  were arguing about the case, trying to settle
• 1:02:17
  it, and it was, and the lawyer, and at one point
• 1:02:19
  the lawyers were talking and beating it out, and
• 1:02:22
  things got pretty heated, and then my lawyer
• 1:02:25
  said, look at Ted. And the lawyer looks at me, and
• 1:02:29
  he gets, now look at your client. And his client's
• 1:02:32
  with a Hitler mustache, bald, wearing a Hawaiian
• 1:02:35
  shirt in court. And he goes, who do you,
• 1:02:38
  and he asked the other lawyer, who do you think
• 1:02:42
  the jury's gonna like more? And then the other
• 1:02:44
  lawyer goes, you gotta talk to my client.
• 1:02:48
  That comes into play, is my point.
• 1:02:52
  That's true. That is true. That is true. Kyrsten
• 1:02:54
  Sinema is not a sympathetic character to sit
• 1:02:57
  in court when you see an aggrieved wife that's,
• 1:03:01
  we have two kids together, little kids, in
• 1:03:03
  this case, and here's the senator wielding her
• 1:03:06
  money and power. It's also the way she looks,
• 1:03:09
  the way she presents herself. Yeah, she wears
• 1:03:12
  crazy clothes, and she's, yeah, you're,
• 1:03:15
  oh, if I were her, I would definitely consult with
• 1:03:18
  a Christian evangelical North Carolina stylist
• 1:03:21
  to, I'd be, yeah, let's go to, what's
• 1:03:26
  a really drab, Dress Barn? Yeah, yeah, let's
• 1:03:31
  go to Dress Barn or Ross, or Ross Dress for Less, and
• 1:03:34
  choose something drab. Yes,
• 1:03:38
  because Kyrsten Sinema, if you guys don't know,
• 1:03:42
  when she was on Capitol Hill, whenever
• 1:03:44
  there was a State of the Union, Ted, you can easily
• 1:03:48
  spot her. You can always spot her because she
• 1:03:50
  was wearing some garish, gaudy. She dresses very
• 1:03:54
  strangely. Very strange. So yeah, she's not a
• 1:03:59
  sympathetic character. And, oh, well, I
• 1:04:02
  think that was her take. She's, oh,
• 1:04:05
  Matt and I were on at a speaking engagement
• 1:04:08
  in Carmel-by-the-Sea in California. And we just,
• 1:04:12
  he took me by the arms and we went into it. I'm,
• 1:04:15
  oh, my God, this is some shitty supermarket
• 1:04:17
  trashy novel that you find,
• 1:04:21
  right? Totally. That's basically how she described
• 1:04:24
  their affair. So I'm, you're gross. Grossly.
• 1:04:28
  Oh, I don't know. Sorry, Ted. Go. Oh, I thought
• 1:04:31
  we, okay, want to read some comments here, and Robby.
• 1:04:38
  Well-dressed nerd says, I can admit to being
• 1:04:44
  tempted in the past, but I have faith that my
• 1:04:47
  wife's military training to kill would end with
• 1:04:49
  me cut into pieces, never to be found again. So
• 1:04:52
  I don't. That's true. That is, don't do that.
• 1:04:55
  And also, Robby put in a whole long thing. I'm
• 1:04:59
  not reading the whole thing about Palantir. Stephen
• 1:05:02
  Cohen, co-founder of Palantir, right, co-founder
• 1:05:06
  with Peter Thiel, and Alex Karp is the CEO. So,
• 1:05:09
  yeah, there are, as... Thiel is the figurehead.
• 1:05:15
  He doesn't own it. He doesn't run it. He's the
• 1:05:22
  face of the company, but he does not do the day-
• 1:05:26
  to-day. I thought he was one of the co-founders.
• 1:05:29
  He was, but he no longer runs it. Instead, these
• 1:05:32
  other two dudes, these other two dudes with
• 1:05:36
  non-Anglo names are the ones who are actually
• 1:05:39
  running the show, coming up with the AI that's
• 1:05:42
  spying on everybody and powering the deep state.
• 1:05:43
  So, because in the chat they're saying, oh, look,
• 1:05:47
  yet another small-hat-wearing group of people
• 1:05:50
  running yet another industry. Just saying. True.
• 1:06:00
  Just saying. Why are scarves bad? The Palestinian
• 1:06:05
  scarves, scarves, the keffiyeh, however
• 1:06:10
  you say it. The keffiyeh. But the tiny hat
• 1:06:14
  is perfectly A-okay. Is fine. Yeah, why is one
• 1:06:18
  bad and the other one isn't? Well, no one said
• 1:06:21
  that the clothing is bad. Well, think about what
• 1:06:24
  it represents. Ted, you've been called
• 1:06:28
  a Nazi in New York for wearing a keffiyeh. Yeah.
• 1:06:30
  And the reason why that happens is because the
• 1:06:36
  media pushes a very, I'm not going to stop wearing
• 1:06:38
  something that I used to wear before 2023, right?
• 1:06:41
  Of course, but the point that I'm trying to make
• 1:06:44
  is that I got, when I got, in the middle. I got
• 1:06:46
  mine in the West Bank. I came in the winter.
• 1:06:49
  I wear them in the winter. They're great. They're
• 1:06:51
  great scarves. The point that I'm making is that
• 1:06:54
  the media, who's owned by a certain group of people,
• 1:06:58
  pushes a certain narrative. And that's why we
• 1:07:00
  supported a genocide, or currently a war with
• 1:07:02
  Iran, on behalf of another nation full of little
• 1:07:04
  tiny little hats that they wear, Ben Shapiro
• 1:07:08
  style. That's not, that's not going to point out.
• 1:07:10
  When you wear your keffiyeh, the Rumble room
• 1:07:14
  is pointing out that when you wear your keffiyeh
• 1:07:17
  out in New York City, stomping around the Upper
• 1:07:20
  West Side, is that the Palantir databases
• 1:07:23
  are going to photograph your face. Oh, that's,
• 1:07:28
  I'm sure that's already happened, and Flock
• 1:07:30
  is going to monitor your every movement wearing
• 1:07:34
  your, they should feel free to do that. Fuck them.
• 1:07:36
  So that's what they're saying, because
• 1:07:39
  I will lose no sleep over them. The Rumble chat
• 1:07:41
  is implying that there's also a certain theme
• 1:07:44
  of operations managers, we'll say it, within the
• 1:07:49
  Big Brother industry. Sure. That's what they're
• 1:07:54
  saying. That's all they're saying. All right.
• 1:07:57
  So this one, kind of silly, but worth knowing.
• 1:08:02
  Kid Rock and Eminem are recording together again,
• 1:08:06
  and their collaboration has reopened an old argument.
• 1:08:09
  Can musicians separate friendships from politics
• 1:08:12
  when their music and public identities are steeped
• 1:08:14
  in political meaning? Eminem will appear on Seven
• 1:08:17
  Sins, a new song from Kid Rock's upcoming Christian
• 1:08:20
  album. Kid Rock is making a Christian album.
• 1:08:24
  So you heard that right? A Christian album.
• 1:08:29
  It's called Halfway to Jesus, with a number two,
• 1:08:31
  halfway to way. Aren't you supposed to go all
• 1:08:35
  the way to Jesus? No, just halfway to Jesus.
• 1:08:37
  Is that going to keep me halfway out of hell?
• 1:08:41
  Will the burning hellfire,
• 1:08:43
  is the pits of hell only be half as hot? 'Cause
• 1:08:45
  then you'll just be, can I à la carte my being saved?
• 1:08:48
  I want to be half saved. Maybe it's Christian
• 1:08:51
  rock is half saved. It's half saved, half good.
• 1:08:54
  Is it working that way? No, it's being a
• 1:08:57
  little bit pregnant. It's either, it's a binary
• 1:09:00
  situation. It is either you're saved or you're
• 1:09:02
  damned. It's one or the other. It's just
• 1:09:05
  how people say, well,
• 1:09:08
  I just got pregnant. It's catching
• 1:09:10
  a cold. You did some country song called Halfway.
• 1:09:12
  She left me halfway to paradise, and
• 1:09:15
  it's about sex, but that's a different way. Yeah,
• 1:09:17
  this is a very different thing. Yeah, this is
• 1:09:22
  not, I don't think, what Kid Rock is saying.
• 1:09:25
  He's calling it Halfway to Jesus. Kid Rock says
• 1:09:28
  the track reflects a conversation that the pair
• 1:09:30
  have had about remaining friends despite their
• 1:09:33
  major political disagreements. Their differences
• 1:09:36
  are hardly subtle. Kid Rock has become one of
• 1:09:40
  Donald Trump's most visible celebrity supporters.
• 1:09:43
  Eminem has spent years attacking Trump, endorsed
• 1:09:45
  Democratic candidates, and once told fans who
• 1:09:49
  supported Trump to choose between the president
• 1:09:52
  and his music. That history explains why some
• 1:09:55
  Eminem fans view the collaboration as more than
• 1:09:57
  just two friends getting together to make a song.
• 1:10:01
  To them, working with Kid Rock risks softening
• 1:10:05
  a political line Eminem drew himself. Kid Rock
• 1:10:07
  sees the partnership differently, however. He
• 1:10:11
  says their friendship demonstrates that people
• 1:10:15
  can disagree politically without cutting
• 1:10:17
  one another out of each other's lives.
• 1:10:19
  Eminem responded by pointing to their shared
• 1:10:23
  support for the Detroit Lions, obviously the
• 1:10:26
  safest bipartisan platform there in Michigan,
• 1:10:29
  because they're both Michiganders, right? They're
• 1:10:32
  both from the Detroit area. But music has rarely
• 1:10:34
  existed outside politics. Woody Guthrie wrote
• 1:10:37
  songs about workers and inequality. Nina Simone
• 1:10:40
  confronted racism directly. Bob Dylan became
• 1:10:43
  synonymous with the protest movement. Country
• 1:10:45
  artists have celebrated patriotism, faith, and
• 1:10:48
  traditional values. Although there's Luke Bryan,
• 1:10:50
  I think is his name. He had a big old gigantic
• 1:10:53
  concert at Gillette Stadium. We talked about
• 1:10:56
  with Bob Kraft owning that, right? And instead
• 1:11:00
  of saying what Macklemore said on stage,
• 1:11:04
  a free, free Palestine, he wore a Hind
• 1:11:07
  Rajab shirt that said Free Palestine and Hind
• 1:11:10
  Rajab, the little five-year-old. That became
• 1:11:17
  a big thing. Yeah. And it's, people,
• 1:11:22
  free country, this guy's a country music,
• 1:11:24
  big-time rock country, who's against freedom.
• 1:11:28
  So that's, so that was happening inside Gillette
• 1:11:32
  Stadium, which Bob Kraft owns, and he also owns
• 1:11:36
  the Patriots, as you guys know. So this is, country
• 1:11:43
  fans are having a hard time
• 1:11:46
  figuring out, what do we do about this? Punk
• 1:11:49
  musicians, obviously, Ted, they built
• 1:11:53
  careers attacking authority, while hip-hop developed
• 1:11:56
  a voice for communities largely ignored by political
• 1:11:58
  institutions. So music has always been political.
• 1:12:01
  Even refusing to address politics can carry a
• 1:12:04
  message when audiences expect an artist to take
• 1:12:07
  a stand. Kid Rock and Eminem also have a relationship
• 1:12:10
  that predates modern political identities. Eminem
• 1:12:12
  appeared on Kid Rock's 1998 album, Devil Without
• 1:12:16
  a Cause, and Kid Rock later appeared on Eminem's
• 1:12:19
  Berserk video. Their friendship developed before
• 1:12:23
  every celebrity interaction became evidence in
• 1:12:26
  an online ideological trial. The real issue, then,
• 1:12:29
  is whether collaboration amounts to endorsement.
• 1:12:31
  Kid Rock argues that's not right. Some Eminem
• 1:12:34
  fans clearly believe it does, especially when
• 1:12:37
  one artist has tied himself so closely to a political
• 1:12:42
  movement that the other has publicly condemned.
• 1:12:45
  So Seven Sins, the name of the song, probably
• 1:12:49
  will not settle that debate. Music has always
• 1:12:52
  brought unlikely people together, in case you
• 1:12:55
  guys forget, but it also helps people announce
• 1:12:57
  exactly where they stand. So I'm not a fan of
• 1:12:59
  Kid Rock's music. What's the
• 1:13:02
  word? Sucks. That's what it is. I'm not a fan.
• 1:13:08
  I think he had one or two that I would say
• 1:13:11
  was, all right, I could. Okay, I could
• 1:13:14
  listen to that. But I think his hot take
• 1:13:16
  on this is right, is that you shouldn't just
• 1:13:19
  hate somebody offhand based on who they voted
• 1:13:22
  for. How many of you out there,
• 1:13:28
  you guys listening, how many of you have lost
• 1:13:30
  friendships or stopped talking with somebody,
• 1:13:34
  a family member, for example, because of a political
• 1:13:37
  divide, because of Trump or Obama or Biden or
• 1:13:41
  whatever, Trump again, or COVID, because we have
• 1:13:44
  been, my argument, Ted, is that we have been so
• 1:13:48
  deeply entrenched into this political hatred,
• 1:13:51
  hatred of one another, for at least a decade and
• 1:13:55
  counting. And we've kind of Trump-bookended this
• 1:13:57
  whole thing with COVID in the center, COVID sandwich
• 1:14:01
  right in the middle, that it's become the new
• 1:14:05
  norm. And I know so many people who are
• 1:14:08
  literally just, oh, I don't talk to these
• 1:14:13
  relatives anymore because they're Republicans.
• 1:14:18
  I don't talk to, I'm, what's
• 1:14:20
  wrong with you? Really, truly.
• 1:14:22
  Seriously, do you, it's what they don't get is,
• 1:14:25
  do you guys not realize that the politicians
• 1:14:30
  don't give a fuck about you? I don't care if
• 1:14:34
  they're Democrats. I don't care if they're Republicans.
• 1:14:37
  But your relative, your family member, your best
• 1:14:40
  friend that you've known since first grade, these
• 1:14:43
  are the real people in your lives. True. And
• 1:14:46
  because you have a difference in opinion, you're
• 1:14:49
  going to cut them out of your lives. And in this
• 1:14:53
  case, Kid Rock and Eminem go back 30 years. Not
• 1:14:56
  to mention Donald Trump will leave office
• 1:14:58
  or die or something, and then you'll still have
• 1:15:03
  each other. You still have to,
• 1:15:06
  what I mean? Yeah, and so, and these
• 1:15:09
  guys aren't relatives, obviously, but they're
• 1:15:11
  both hometown boys from Detroit, and they've been
• 1:15:14
  friends for 30 years. They're both successful
• 1:15:16
  musicians. Good for them. And yeah, I think it's
• 1:15:19
  a great thing, and I think it's, Eminem hasn't really said anything about this
• 1:15:22
  other than, yeah, what can I say?
• 1:15:25
  Kid Rock is my friend, and Kid Rock is the
• 1:15:28
  one speaking out, saying, look, I think this is
• 1:15:29
  to show that it shouldn't matter what somebody's
• 1:15:32
  political identity is. And I agree,
• 1:15:34
  people are getting too fucking serious about
• 1:15:37
  politics and whatever. I said,
• 1:15:40
  bookended by Donald Trump, the COVID sandwich
• 1:15:43
  in the middle. America has lost its shit. You
• 1:15:46
  only have each other. You don't have that politician.
• 1:15:50
  Let me drive this point home to you guys. I was
• 1:15:52
  on Capitol Hill for many years as a reporter.
• 1:15:56
  Those people don't give a fuck about you. Just
• 1:15:59
  understand this. So it doesn't matter that you
• 1:16:02
  support them. You need to support each other.
• 1:16:04
  Left-right paradigm politics is bullshit. All
• 1:16:07
  we have is each other, your friends, your family.
• 1:16:10
  So get the fuck over it. That's all I can say
• 1:16:13
  to everybody is get the fuck over it. You have
• 1:16:16
  a difference of an opinion on politics or how
• 1:16:18
  to do X, Y, Z. But in the end, Bob
• 1:16:21
  and John had been friends since first grade,
• 1:16:23
  and then suddenly Donald Trump happened and
• 1:16:26
  they hate each other. Right? That's stupid. Do
• 1:16:30
  you know how stupid you look? I have people that
• 1:16:33
  have somewhat disowned me. But they're kind
• 1:16:36
  of coming back around when they realized my position
• 1:16:40
  on COVID, or because I refused to get the vaccine.
• 1:16:43
  I had people, I had friends that literally I've
• 1:16:46
  known since kindergarten, five years old. Here
• 1:16:49
  we are, 40 years old at the time when COVID hit,
• 1:16:54
  and they distanced themselves from me, ghosting
• 1:16:57
  me because of my position. Wow, seriously?
• 1:17:02
  Were you mad at me for missing
• 1:17:05
  my pap smear last year, too? Do you want to be,
• 1:17:09
  maybe so? How is any of that your
• 1:17:17
  business? Right? Question. And,
• 1:17:20
  to me, it's, I don't care
• 1:17:22
  if you got the vaccine or not. Are you a good
• 1:17:26
  person? Are you a decent human being? Then you
• 1:17:31
  will be my friend. I don't care that you're a
• 1:17:33
  leftist wingnut, not leftist in the Ted kind of way. I'm talking about Democrat.
• 1:17:35
  California. I don't care that you're a Kamala
• 1:17:38
  Harris supporter. I don't agree with
• 1:17:40
  that. But I've been your friend. Most of my friends
• 1:17:43
  voted for Kamala Harris. I think they
• 1:17:46
  were mistaken. It doesn't change. Do
• 1:17:48
  I think politically that they're brilliant? No,
• 1:17:51
  but I don't have to to be their friends. I
• 1:17:54
  also don't have to think my friends are
• 1:17:57
  smart in a decision they made, because how many
• 1:18:01
  times have you had, through years of friendship,
• 1:18:03
  that your friends date somebody, right? Exactly.
• 1:18:06
  Your friends make, yeah, your friends, your friends,
• 1:18:09
  my friends, they buy the wrong house.
• 1:18:12
  They eat the wrong food. They listen to the wrong
• 1:18:14
  music. They vote for the wrong Democrat. They do
• 1:18:18
  all sorts of things that are wrong. Ted, I still
• 1:18:21
  have friends who defend voting for Hillary Clinton
• 1:18:26
  or Joe Biden in the Democratic primary over Bernie
• 1:18:29
  Sanders. I don't know how you could do that now,
• 1:18:34
  but okay. Ted, I've got to ask you a question.
• 1:18:37
  How many of those friends would sit down with
• 1:18:41
  me over an ice-cold Coca-Cola? I think
• 1:18:43
  they'd all sit down with you. But they
• 1:18:46
  might get up and leave after you started talking.
• 1:18:49
  But that's the point. This is the point that
• 1:18:50
  Kid Rock and Eminem are trying to make, where
• 1:18:54
  it's, we're still homies. We're going to
• 1:18:57
  sit around and watch the Detroit Lions, who have
• 1:18:59
  improved quite a bit over the years. So I was
• 1:19:00
  going to say they're going to sob over a couple
• 1:19:02
  of beers, but they've gotten a lot better. But
• 1:19:04
  there are these Detroit guys that make
• 1:19:06
  music that are huge, bigly famous in the music
• 1:19:11
  world. What are the chances that these two guys
• 1:19:12
  are close in age and from the same hometown,
• 1:19:14
  and have been friends for 30-plus years?
• 1:19:17
  I think that's a good example. Since when,
• 1:19:20
  can you imagine teaching your kids, guys, because
• 1:19:25
  we're all parents, can you imagine teaching your
• 1:19:28
  kids, hey, look, kid A and kid B, not Kid
• 1:19:32
  Rock, kid A and kid B, have differences in opinions,
• 1:19:36
  but they should not be friends? Well, that's
• 1:19:39
  something that you learn when you get older.
• 1:19:42
  As you mentioned earlier in the show,
• 1:19:44
  Manila, I'm a punk rocker, and I was a big punk
• 1:19:48
  rocker in college. I dated this girl and broke
• 1:19:52
  up with her, even though she was great. And this
• 1:19:54
  is how gay I was, because she was into a different
• 1:19:55
  kind of punk rock than I was. Oh, still punk
• 1:19:58
  rock. Yeah, she was still punk rock, but not
• 1:20:00
  the raw bread. And I look back, I'm, what
• 1:20:03
  on earth was I thinking? Right? Now
• 1:20:06
  I wouldn't care about, she
• 1:20:10
  could be only into harpsichord music and it would
• 1:20:14
  be fine. It doesn't matter. So it's,
• 1:20:17
  but do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:20
  Can you imagine teaching your children not to
• 1:20:24
  be friends with people because they don't think
• 1:20:27
  exactly like you? Well, no, I don't.
• 1:20:30
  I do know lots of people like that, who've fallen
• 1:20:33
  out with, I know people who've fallen out with their
• 1:20:35
  own children over stuff like this. And I'm,
• 1:20:37
  I can't, that's to me inexcusable. I'd get rid
• 1:20:40
  of my politics rather than lose my relationship
• 1:20:44
  with my child. Yeah. I don't get it. I don't
• 1:20:47
  get it. So anyone that's pushing these
• 1:20:49
  two to not be friends, I think you're a shit-ass.
• 1:20:52
  I had a very good friend.
• 1:20:54
  His name is John, and he was at my wedding, and
• 1:20:56
  back in 2016, he's the one actually coined the
• 1:20:58
  name. Putin bot. He kept calling me a Putin bot.
• 1:21:02
  Was he joking around? Or was, oh, no, no, full-
• 1:21:04
  on TDS. Just rabid Democrat partisan. And he
• 1:21:07
  said, if you do this, he said, our friendship
• 1:21:11
  is over. You're a white supremacist and Nazi. He
• 1:21:14
  was at my wedding. If you do what? If I supported Trump, because I was campaigning for
• 1:21:16
  Trump, I was making phone calls at the time.
• 1:21:20
  And he's, if you don't stop doing this,
• 1:21:24
  our friendship is over, because I will not be
• 1:21:26
  friends with a white supremacist and a Nazi. This
• 1:21:28
  is, oh, my God. First of all, you should never
• 1:21:31
  threat, even if you were totally thought
• 1:21:33
  he was right, you should still tell him to fuck
• 1:21:36
  off, because you don't, you can't
• 1:21:39
  be pushed around and bullied by your
• 1:21:41
  so-called friend. Right. Ted,
• 1:21:43
  me, I don't respond well to people bullying
• 1:21:46
  me. Well, no one, no one's not an idiot. No one
• 1:21:48
  generally does. So yeah, I think that's the
• 1:21:51
  bigger conversation here. It's not just Eminem
• 1:21:53
  and Kid Rock. I think that is the conversation.
• 1:21:56
  It's, where are we in America that you're
• 1:21:59
  saying these two men should not be friends? This
• 1:22:01
  is so stupid. It's just stupid. Yeah, it's dumb.
• 1:22:04
  It's very dumb. Super dumb. And lastly, Ted.
• 1:22:08
  Go ahead. No, this is you. Okay. At age 79, Maureen
• 1:22:11
  Vanderslice assumed that romance was behind her.
• 1:22:14
  At age 89, widower Ken Vanderslice never expected
• 1:22:17
  to marry again. Then the two, married at a senior
• 1:22:21
  living community outside Dallas, discovered their
• 1:22:25
  shared love of faith, books, and long walks,
• 1:22:34
  and decided that life had room for another chapter.
• 1:22:38
  Their courtship began with happy hour and quickly
• 1:22:41
  grew into morning Bible studies, a two-person
• 1:22:45
  book club, and sunset walks. Ken proposed in
• 1:22:48
  April. They got married in June, surrounded by
• 1:22:51
  their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.
• 1:22:53
  Then they went tubing in their jeans. A video
• 1:22:57
  of their newlyweds bouncing across a Texas lake
• 1:23:00
  collected more than 2.6 million TikTok views.
• 1:23:03
  It also captured something rarely seen in popular
• 1:23:05
  culture. Older adults still fall in love, flirt,
• 1:23:08
  date, marry, and occasionally make decisions
• 1:23:10
  that concern their grandchildren. Loneliness
• 1:23:13
  is obviously a big problem when you get older.
• 1:23:16
  A CDC survey found that nearly 24% of Americans
• 1:23:19
  over 65 felt lonely. Moving into a senior community
• 1:23:22
  can create new opportunities for friendship and
• 1:23:25
  romance, but simply putting people under one
• 1:23:27
  roof doesn't guarantee connection. Women greatly
• 1:23:30
  outnumber men in these facilities. Federal data
• 1:23:33
  from, I can verify that, having visited them when
• 1:23:36
  I was looking for a place for Mom, federal data
• 1:23:40
  from 2022 found that roughly two-thirds of residential
• 1:23:43
  care residents are women. An assisted-living
• 1:23:45
  study found that ratios ranging from three to
• 1:23:49
  five women for every man at the facilities examined.
• 1:23:52
  In other words, it's college. Romance also
• 1:23:55
  creates complicated questions about privacy,
• 1:23:58
  family involvement, and consent, especially when
• 1:24:01
  there's dementia, which makes everyone's cuter
• 1:24:05
  when you're demented. In one national survey
• 1:24:07
  of 366 nursing home directors, 58% said they
• 1:24:10
  had encountered sexual relationships between
• 1:24:14
  residents. But were they invited to join? Yet
• 1:24:17
  63% of the facilities had no policy addressing
• 1:24:20
  sexual activity. Researchers said many residents
• 1:24:23
  still want affection, touch, companionship, gang-
• 1:24:27
  bangs, whatever, but face barriers, including
• 1:24:31
  limited privacy, health problems, staff scrutiny,
• 1:24:33
  and fear of gossip. Apparently the high school
• 1:24:36
  cafeteria never completely disappears. It merely
• 1:24:40
  starts serving dinner at 4:30. Ken and Maureen
• 1:24:43
  hope their story encourages other residents to
• 1:24:46
  leave their apartments, go tubing, meet people,
• 1:24:49
  and try new things. Ken brings Maureen a white
• 1:24:53
  rose every week. She says she's happier now than
• 1:24:55
  she's ever been before. That's a beautiful story.
• 1:24:59
  And so, yeah, that's the takeaway, Ted. I think
• 1:25:05
  we forget, especially because so many of us are
• 1:25:08
  us Gen Xers. Our parents are at that stage. Sometimes
• 1:25:11
  they're alone now because their
• 1:25:14
  spouse, your dad, your mother, whoever, right, has
• 1:25:18
  passed away, and Grandma's alone at a senior facility
• 1:25:20
  or whatever. I think the takeaway is here
• 1:25:24
  to encourage your old folks to live up what
• 1:25:27
  you got left. Whatever. Live it up. Tell Grandma.
• 1:25:31
  Tell Mom and Dad. Tell Mom or Dad, because,
• 1:25:34
  you got one or the other now. Don't,
• 1:25:38
  tell them it's okay. I think that's the message
• 1:25:42
  here, is I think a lot of these old people
• 1:25:45
  feel they need the blessing of their adult
• 1:25:51
  children, or even, in many cases, their
• 1:25:54
  adult grandchildren, to say that it's okay. It's
• 1:25:57
  okay to go out and find connection in that last
• 1:26:00
  little, in the last of your
• 1:26:03
  golden years, right? I think it's a lovely story,
• 1:26:06
  and it's a human reminder that this time
• 1:26:09
  on this little blue marble is limited. Clearly.
• 1:26:16
  Yeah. And if the Eminem-Kid Rock friendship
• 1:26:21
  thing isn't something about connection, then
• 1:26:24
  this story is. Are you saying they might be gay
• 1:26:28
  for each other? They could be. I don't know.
• 1:26:34
  We don't know. 30 years. Who's to judge?
• 1:26:37
  But these two old people, they're, what?
• 1:26:39
  The median age between them
• 1:26:41
  is 85. So, God bless, man. Encourage
• 1:26:44
  your old folks to get out and meet new people.
• 1:26:49
  Go out and get laid. Yeah, go out and get theirs.
• 1:26:52
  Live it up, Grandma and Grandpa.
• 1:26:55
  That's the whole point of this story, is we all
• 1:27:00
  need connection. We all need friends. We all
• 1:27:04
  need our community. And so if they live in their
• 1:27:07
  little senior whatever. But Ted, what about
• 1:27:10
  the practical side of this is, the article
• 1:27:12
  mentions the seniors, when they find connection
• 1:27:15
  and they want to finalize that connection, there's
• 1:27:18
  no privacy to do their connecting. Well, there's
• 1:27:21
  privacy. They have their own rooms,
• 1:27:24
  right? So they can be, come over to my room.
• 1:27:27
  It's college. Yeah, but it sounds
• 1:27:30
  every way. But it sounds the nursing
• 1:27:33
  people come and check on you and bust in
• 1:27:35
  on that. Okay, but they're not supposed to.
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  They're not supposed
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  to. They're supposed to not. And if you,
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  don't come and knock in if the nursing home
• 1:27:47
  is rocking. 58%, so basically 60% of nursing
• 1:27:51
  home care directors or officials or whatever
• 1:27:53
  said they have encountered, guys, knock
• 1:27:56
  on the fucking door, you fucking animals. Yeah.
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  So I think this is rude. I know. So I think we
• 1:28:11
  forget that we dehumanize senior citizens.
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  I think that's really fair to say. Oh,
• 1:28:21
  we infantilize them. Look, there was an STI
• 1:28:26
  outbreak at a nursing home in Riverdale, which
• 1:28:30
  is in the Bronx. Oh, I remember. And yeah, it
• 1:28:34
  was a big thing. And the guy who ran the nursing
• 1:28:36
  home was a fairly young guy. And he was asked
• 1:28:40
  about this. And he was, oh, the parents,
• 1:28:44
  the kids are trying to infantilize their parents,
• 1:28:47
  and they're trying to say they don't
• 1:28:50
  have the right to have sex, that we should stop
• 1:28:55
  them. He's, we think sex is healthy, and we
• 1:28:57
  want them to have sex, and we encourage
• 1:28:59
  them, and we just want them to use condoms. That's
• 1:29:03
  all. So they didn't. So he's,
• 1:29:06
  I'm not doing that. And
• 1:29:09
  he said a lot of people were really genuinely angry
• 1:29:13
  about that. And it's so funny, because it's
• 1:29:15
  the kids telling Mom, you can't be
• 1:29:18
  getting strange cock at the nursing
• 1:29:21
  home. And it's, the fuck I can't.
• 1:29:25
  I'm 82 years old. I'll do whatever the fuck I
• 1:29:28
  want. Yeah, that's true. We either
• 1:29:32
  infantilize them, or we pretend they're not
• 1:29:34
  even human. Right. They're not even there.
• 1:29:37
  They're either invisible, or we treat
• 1:29:40
  them like babies. Leave them alone, man. They
• 1:29:42
  lived a whole life. They can do whatever the
• 1:29:44
  fuck they want. Dude, they made it
• 1:29:46
  that far. They've made it that far. Let them
• 1:29:47
  decide if they want to date again. They shouldn't,
• 1:29:49
  you shouldn't make them feel guilty. That's what
• 1:29:52
  the story. The thing is, there is a lot of sex
• 1:29:55
  going on in nursing homes. For sure. Yeah, but
• 1:29:58
  a lot of these old folks aren't
• 1:30:01
  coming out, coming clean with it, to tell
• 1:30:04
  their families that they're doing it. But because
• 1:30:08
  of the guilt. No, no, the old lady was saying
• 1:30:10
  that people, that they were at first
• 1:30:14
  ashamed about it because they felt guilt. Well,
• 1:30:16
  where are they getting the guilt trips from?
• 1:30:23
  Yeah, well, you feel guilty unless you, they should, these people need to bug off.
• 1:30:26
  But nobody can make you feel guilty unless
• 1:30:29
  you feel you did something wrong. Well, I
• 1:30:32
  mean, it's a different generation also, obviously,
• 1:30:34
  so the bar for shame and whatever is different
• 1:30:37
  than now. But a lot of these people feel
• 1:30:41
  guilt, or they don't want to be
• 1:30:46
  gossiped about, being, oh, Betty's
• 1:30:50
  a whore. Betty, that slut. That, good for Betty.
• 1:30:52
  I say. But yeah. All right. So this,
• 1:30:54
  it's a different generation. If you can,
• 1:31:01
  why not? If your kids aren't coming to
• 1:31:06
  visit you, but Bob from down the hall is
• 1:31:08
  shuffling by and he is visiting you. Visit Betty.
• 1:31:11
  Yeah, go for it. Go for it. Live up the last
• 1:31:14
  of your golden years. I endorse this.
• 1:31:20
  Whether any one of us, we outlive our significant
• 1:31:24
  others. What I endorse, this, so you guys can FaceTime
• 1:31:28
  when we're old and gray, and I'll be, Ted,
• 1:31:31
  does she have all her teeth? Because if she doesn't,
• 1:31:36
  that's a good thing. Yeah, so that's, that is gonna
• 1:31:40
  be the nursing home of the future. So encourage
• 1:31:45
  Grandma or Grandpa if they're alone. Yes, go make
• 1:31:52
  connections, and you go out, make connections,
• 1:31:55
  people. Go make connections. Thank you for being
• 1:31:59
  here. We'll see you back on Thursday, amigos. Adios.
• 1:32:02
  Thanks for being here. Adios, Ted. Bye, Robby.