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Handsome Tech Star Staggers Begging for Help, STABBED DEAD · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A young tech visionary is stabbed dead brutally literally on
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  Speaker 2: Main Street.
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  Speaker 1: How did this happen? And why? I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 2: in Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, I want
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  Speaker 2: you to take a listen to our friends at NBC.
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  Speaker 3: Police say Lee was attacked not far from the Bay
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  Speaker 3: Bridge at two thirty five am Tuesday. The area, thought
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  Speaker 3: to be a safe part of the city, is dotted
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  Speaker 3: with surveillance cameras. Before collapsing on a sidewalk, Lee screamed
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  Speaker 3: for help on his phone, saying someone stabbed me. According
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  Speaker 3: to surveillance footage and records reviewed by the San Francisco Standard.
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  Speaker 4: These images, obtained by The Daily Mail, chouf tech exec
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  Speaker 4: Bobb Lee stumbling along Main Street in San Francisco's Rincon
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  Speaker 4: Hill neighborhood. You see him through the front glass doors
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  Speaker 4: of the port Side apartment building. He attempts to use
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  Speaker 4: the call box, then falls to the ground. Sources say
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  Speaker 4: he had two stab wounds in his upper left chest.
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  Speaker 4: He was on the ground for about ten seconds before
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  Speaker 4: standing up. We now know he was walking towards a
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  Speaker 4: police car. Minutes later, Lee died at the scene. We
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  Speaker 4: have some leads to follow up on.
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  Speaker 5: I can't disclose what those are now it's early on
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  Speaker 5: an investigation, but I'm hopeful and I'm very confident.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine what this guy is going through. We
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  Speaker 2: know he has two gorgeous little girls he's raising. He
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  Speaker 2: has had an incredible rise and meteoric rise in the
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  Speaker 2: tech industry, as I said.
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  Speaker 1: A visionary. And in those moments.
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  Speaker 2: After he stabbed multiple times, he's staggering up and down
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  Speaker 2: the streets trying to get help, but there is no help.
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  Speaker 2: As you heard, this is in the exclusive runcon area
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  Speaker 2: there the City by the Bay, and I've thought about
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  Speaker 2: this over and over because my memories of this area
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  Speaker 2: are all good. We've got an all star panel to
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  Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But first
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to chief investigative reporter for Dailymail
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  Speaker 2: dot Com, Jen Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Jen, thank you for being with us. See my memories,
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  Speaker 2: which are very recent, are all good of this area.
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  Speaker 2: I never miss a chance to get the twins and
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  Speaker 2: walk across all the way across and back the Golden
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  Speaker 2: Gate Bridge and sometimes Jen, you can't see eight feet
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  Speaker 2: in front of you because of the fog that rolls
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  Speaker 2: in over the city.
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  Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember before we had the twins, one time
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  Speaker 2: my husband and I stayed there and we were staying
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  Speaker 2: at the top of some hotel. I think it was
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  Speaker 2: the Mark I can't remember anymore.
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  Speaker 1: But David said Quicklyick, good, come out here.
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  Speaker 2: Look, And we went out on the balcony and you
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  Speaker 2: could see the city from up there looking down, and
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  Speaker 2: then the fog came in off the bay and it
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  Speaker 2: slowly covered the hole. You could watch it rolling over
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  Speaker 2: the city and you could see no more buildings, rooftops,
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  Speaker 2: nothing with that thick fog off the bay and the
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  Speaker 2: cool breeze coming in, and the twins and I have
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  Speaker 2: spent days going up and down the heels of Chinatown,
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  Speaker 2: going in every dim sun, every thing we could find,
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  Speaker 2: every tea company, every fortune cookie.
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  Speaker 1: Company, and just having the best time.
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  Speaker 2: This has brought so much higher in scrutiny on the
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  Speaker 2: city that someone could be stabbed literally.
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  Speaker 1: In playing view on Main Street. What happened?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, I mean everything you just said is right, Nancy,
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  Speaker 6: And it has brought so much added negative attention to
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  Speaker 6: San Francisco, and to this particular neighborhood in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the neighborhood, because I don't know that well.
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  Speaker 6: Mission you know, Main Street, near Mission Street, downtown exclusive,
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  Speaker 6: We're talking luxury apartment buildings, nice coffee shopped, restaurant stars.
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  Speaker 6: San Francisco we all know over the last few years
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  Speaker 6: has received a lot of bad press, but some of
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  Speaker 6: the not so night parts of the time, this isn't
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  Speaker 6: really one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now wait a minute, Jen, guys with me, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this case that we have learned is
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  Speaker 2: because of exclusive footage and photos obtained by dailymail dot com.
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  Speaker 1: See, I didn't see any of that.
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  Speaker 2: And I've been going there forever because my sister is
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  Speaker 2: a couge professor not very far from San Francisco, so
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  Speaker 2: we're always going out there to visit her.
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  Speaker 1: But this last time.
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  Speaker 2: We went spent so much time downtown, Jen, was during
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  Speaker 2: COVID and there was nobody anywhere. It was deserted, so
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see any of what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 6: Tell me, well, I think it's no secret that many
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  Speaker 6: major cities New York included San Francisco. Another one that
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  Speaker 6: has struggled with, you know, issues like homelessness and right,
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  Speaker 6: you know, rising crime, especially since COVID, a lot of
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  Speaker 6: things have changed. So this attack, a brutal attack in
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  Speaker 6: an area that was, like you described, beautiful, nice part
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  Speaker 6: of town. It really brought added fear to the community.
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  Speaker 6: You know, how could something like this happen seemingly at
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  Speaker 6: random to an innocent.
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  Speaker 7: Father of two.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about what Jen Smith or Daily
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  Speaker 2: Mail is saying.
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  Speaker 1: At first, I want to go to JAREDT.
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  Speaker 2: Fiarentino, homicide prosecutor out of Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: Jared, thank you so much for being with.
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  Speaker 8: Us, My pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: It's I can't state that.
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  Speaker 2: Why it's disturbing so many people that this tech juru
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  Speaker 2: is stabbed in on Main Street. But I think what's
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  Speaker 2: shocking everyone so much is it's out of the norm.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, we say, oh, that's a high crime area.
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  Speaker 2: My husband told me the other day he was going
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  Speaker 2: to have a business lunch on I'll think of it's
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  Speaker 2: a really funny krag KRG krog Street.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, don't cancel that, don't go there, you go
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  Speaker 1: what is wrong with you?
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  Speaker 7: Said?
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  Speaker 2: Prosecuted so many aggravated assaults and homicide rapes on Crog
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  Speaker 2: Street and the Krog Street area of Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go there. That's crazy talk. Who set that up?
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  Speaker 2: Well, since the time I prosecuted, it's been all gentrified.
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  Speaker 2: There's all these cool coffee shops and restaurants. The point
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  Speaker 2: is when we hear that a murder occurred in a
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  Speaker 2: low or no crime area, everybody shocked. But crime is everywhere,
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  Speaker 2: Jarrett Fiorentino. That's what people don't understand, including this fancy area,
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  Speaker 2: high floutine area of the city by the Bay.
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  Speaker 8: It is everywhere. There's a tolerance, nancy for regions where
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  Speaker 8: we call high crime areas, but it is always shocking
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  Speaker 8: when you see something so violent and it's stabbing. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 8: this is at a shooting. This is a very very
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  Speaker 8: close act, a very violent act, multiple stabbings. It's intentional,
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  Speaker 8: and the fear is that anyone in that community can
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  Speaker 8: now become a victim. And that's why it's so shocking.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I liked everything you just said. I cannot even
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  Speaker 2: argue with him. Okay, that part I don't like. But
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  Speaker 2: what you just said to Doctor John Delatory, joining US
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  Speaker 2: licensed psychologist and mediator. He specializes in forensic psychology. You
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  Speaker 2: can find him on TikTok at Doctor John, Doctor John.
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  Speaker 2: What he just said about stabbing, and we talked about
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  Speaker 2: this in depth with the slang of those four beautiful,
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  Speaker 2: vibrant University Idaho students stabbing, and I learned this as
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  Speaker 2: a prosecutor. It's a whole different animal than shooting somebody
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  Speaker 2: at a distance of even three feet five feet ten
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  Speaker 2: feet twenty feet sniper shot John By shooting that is impersonal,
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  Speaker 2: you're not up close and personal with your victim.
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  Speaker 1: Stabbing is a whole different psychopathy.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it absolutely is. It's one of those things where
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  Speaker 9: it's more intimate, right, You get up close with someone
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  Speaker 9: and you can feel the life draining out of them
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  Speaker 9: as you continue to stab them. So this is someone
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  Speaker 9: who has a very personal vendetta against the victim, that's
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  Speaker 9: willing to walk up to someone and.
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  Speaker 6: Do this kind of act.
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  Speaker 9: Because it's also physically exhausting, So you've got to be
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  Speaker 9: determined to do this act.
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  Speaker 2: And there were multiple stab wounds here, either two or three.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was no way this guy was going
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  Speaker 2: to walk away alive. IRV Brandt joining me, Senior Inspector
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  Speaker 2: What Jarrett Farantino just said that we quote tolerate crime
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  Speaker 2: and high crime areas.
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  Speaker 1: I don't tolerate crime anywhere. But we're not numb.
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  Speaker 2: But we're not what shocked when we hear about a murder,
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  Speaker 2: an agassault, a rape in a high crime area because
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  Speaker 2: we are conditioned to believe that. But in a let
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  Speaker 2: me just say, fancy, influential, prestigious area like this, we
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  Speaker 2: are shot because it never happens.
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  Speaker 10: That's correct, Nancy. And just like the prosecutor said, And
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  Speaker 10: I live in Las Vegas, and if this sort of
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  Speaker 10: thing happens on the Las Vegas Strip, people are stunted.
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  Speaker 10: It's all over the news. And it happened on the
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  Speaker 10: west end of Las Vegas, where people buy drugs and
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  Speaker 10: things like that, not so much. The news coverage wouldn't
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  Speaker 10: be so much.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what about this you're talking about Vegas. Orr's correct.
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  Speaker 1: It's one thing if somebody dies.
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  Speaker 2: In the area where there's hookers and drugs, that life
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  Speaker 2: is no more or less important than if somebody stabbed
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  Speaker 2: in the lobby of the very expensive Wind hotel. That's correct,
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  Speaker 2: but we're more shocked because it is so rare in
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  Speaker 2: an area like the Wind lobby.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying.
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  Speaker 10: That's exactly what I'm saying. It's a wow factor if
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  Speaker 10: someone gets stabbed while they're watching the Fountain show in
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  Speaker 10: front of the Blagio.
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  Speaker 1: You mean like in Ocean's eleven.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, that could have been me.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's psychology.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because I believe doctor John
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  Speaker 2: Delatory and everybody jump in. Do I have to tell you?
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  Speaker 2: This is not high t at windsor Castle with King Charles.
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  Speaker 2: All right, jump in, let's brainstorm on this. It could
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  Speaker 2: have been me factor. I think that's why when people
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  Speaker 2: I noticed a lot during.
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  Speaker 1: The Eliza Fletcher case.
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  Speaker 2: The young teacher out of Memphis, she had two or
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  Speaker 2: three children, a little, preschool aged children and younger. He
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  Speaker 2: went jogging at four am and she was brutally attacked,
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  Speaker 2: raped and murdered by a repeat offender that had an
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  Speaker 2: outstanding rape He was out wandering free. Everyone said, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: why was she out jogging at four am?
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  Speaker 1: Why it's her fault? It was dark? Why was she out? Well,
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  Speaker 1: why shouldn't she be?
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  Speaker 2: And I think people say that not because they're ill
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  Speaker 2: spirited or mean hearted. I think that they like to think, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's never going to happen to me, and they continue
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  Speaker 2: to feel safe.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor delatory.
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  Speaker 2: It makes them feel they can go through life feeling
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  Speaker 2: safe with blinders on to the fact that they're not safe,
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  Speaker 2: just like this guy, Bobby was not safe because it's.
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  Speaker 9: The threat that you are never taken into account. So
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  Speaker 9: in some ways it's a threat that comes from someone
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  Speaker 9: in your inner circle, or sometimes the threat comes from
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  Speaker 9: a complete stranger because you're not prepared for something like that.
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  Speaker 9: There's a comfort nature when it comes to routine, and
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  Speaker 9: so the more often we're doing routines, the less likely
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  Speaker 9: we are to pay attention to our surroundings and to
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  Speaker 9: recognize when things might happen to us that are nefarious
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  Speaker 9: in nature. And so the more often we feel comfortable,
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  Speaker 9: the more we turn our blinders on, and that's we
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  Speaker 9: can find ourselves very vulnerable.
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  Speaker 2: Well, put, guys, let's move this forward. Take a listen
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  Speaker 2: to cheap Bill Scott San Francisco p D.
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  Speaker 5: At approximately two thirty am, San Francisco Police officers from
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  Speaker 5: Southern Station responded to the three hundred block of Main
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  Speaker 5: Street for report of a stabbing.
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  Speaker 1: Officers arrived on scene.
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  Speaker 5: And located the victim, later identified as forty three year
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  Speaker 5: old Robert Lee, suffering from an apparent stab wound. Officers
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  Speaker 5: rendered aid and Simon Meddicks to the scene.
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  Speaker 10: Mister Lee was.
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  Speaker 5: Transported to Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital with life threatening injuries.
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  Speaker 5: Despite efforts by first responders and medical personnel, mister Lee
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  Speaker 5: died from his injuries.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering to doctor Miniesha Pandy, renowned pathologists, the
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  Speaker 2: chief forensic Pathologists for Forensic Pathologists llc ohio and you
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  Speaker 2: can find doctor Pandy at the Forensicpathologists dot com. Doctor Pandy,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for taking time to be with us. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just imagining what Bob Lee. I mean, did he think
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  Speaker 2: about Dagne and Scout as two little girls.
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  Speaker 1: In his last moments? I know he had time to think.
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  Speaker 2: You know, so many times we get a shooting wound
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  Speaker 2: gsw to the head or to the heart or the chest,
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  Speaker 2: and we know the person either dies immediately instantly or
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  Speaker 2: within you know, ten to fifteen seconds, the heart pumps
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  Speaker 2: out all the blood in their body.
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  Speaker 1: They bleed out.
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  Speaker 2: In this case, Bob Lee had time to suffer. He
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  Speaker 2: knew he was dying, and there's video of him staggering
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  Speaker 2: up and down the streets asking for help. What would
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  Speaker 2: he have physically and mentally experienced in those moments, doctor Handy.
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  Speaker 11: So, yes, you're right, he did have some time to think.
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  Speaker 11: If he was probably stabbed to the left chest or
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  Speaker 11: in that area, he's probably got instructing the lungs. As
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  Speaker 11: he's beating internally slowly, he's probably not thinking that he'll die,
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  Speaker 11: but he's not thinking that what's happening. But he's trying
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  Speaker 11: to save himself and trying to see that. You know
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  Speaker 11: what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: When your lungs begin to fill up with blood, Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Manisha Handy, What does the victim experience.
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  Speaker 11: This suffocate internally so.
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  Speaker 2: Moment by moment, it's harder and harder, more difficult for
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  Speaker 2: you to breathe, and this guy continues walking. Jens Smith,
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  Speaker 2: Chief investigator reporter deallymail dot com. The video, doesn't it
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  Speaker 2: show him walking up to trying to get to a
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  Speaker 2: building and the wall like a lobby of a hotel
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  Speaker 2: or an apartment, is glass, and he's going up there
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  Speaker 2: looking inside the glass, and he's staggering and bleeding in
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  Speaker 2: his lungs are filling up with blood. It is starting
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  Speaker 2: to come up in his mouth, in his nose when
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  Speaker 2: he takes a breath. Don't am I remembering correctly that
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  Speaker 2: there was a glass wall he staggered up to.
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  Speaker 6: There was, Yeah, he was staggering towards what we now
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  Speaker 6: know was apartment building lobby. We don't know whether or
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  Speaker 6: not he knew where he was going, if he was
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  Speaker 6: looking for anyone in particular. It seemed to me, and
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  Speaker 6: I think to everyone else who watches a video, that
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  Speaker 6: this was a man who was just utterly desperate for help.
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  Speaker 6: He would have taken it from anyone. And it's pretty
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  Speaker 6: disturbing footage. He is really struggling to walk, he's holding
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  Speaker 6: onto his wounds, he is it looks like he's quite disorientated,
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  Speaker 6: which anyone would be given the circumstances I'm in the
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  Speaker 6: final moments.
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  Speaker 1: Of his I'm just imagining that.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, as you know, Jarrett Fiorentino, high profile prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: the state, if this ever does go to a trial,
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  Speaker 2: is never allowed to put the jirrars in the shoes
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  Speaker 2: of the victim. But you can say things like one
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  Speaker 2: can only imagine what Lee was going through as he
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  Speaker 2: staggered bleeding, the blood by now going down his pants,
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  Speaker 2: coming out of his abdomen, and his lungs slowly backing
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  Speaker 2: up to.
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  Speaker 1: Where he can't take another breath. You can't say what
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  Speaker 1: if that was you, or what if that was your
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  Speaker 1: father or your brother or your son.
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  Speaker 2: You can't say that, but you can certainly strike a
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  Speaker 2: visual image in the hearts and minds of the jirrrs.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely? The imagination can't help but run wild. You know,
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  Speaker 8: the footage is grainy, and when you know what's actually
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  Speaker 8: happening there, you start to fill in the details. You
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  Speaker 8: start to fill in, like you described the blood filling
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  Speaker 8: into his mouth and his nose, and the desperation you
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  Speaker 8: see he's trying to use his phone. Some things you
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  Speaker 8: don't have to say to a JURI. They're going to
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  Speaker 8: go there themselves, and you're going to say, as a
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  Speaker 8: human being, how can't you put yourself in those shoes?
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  Speaker 8: How can't you think about a time you couldn't breathe
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  Speaker 8: or needed help and was desperately seeking someone's assistance. And
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  Speaker 8: that really is such a powerful piece of evidence that
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  Speaker 8: will ultimately and hopefully be presented in a trial for
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  Speaker 8: this case.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Manisha Pandy joining as chief forensic Pathologists for Forensic
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Pathologist LLC.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Doctor Pandy. I remember the.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: First time and I was into I guess this was
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: my third or fourth homicide trial. I went to the medical.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Examiner, I said, what is that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I don't understand this blood pattern at all, And she said,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I think she's the word aspirate. There was a fine
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: mist of blood on something and it's where the victim
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: was breathing in and it would.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Except with exhale a mist of blood.
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: That's correct.
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: That's what happens is you're getting stabbed in the lungs.
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: Your lungs now start filling up with blood and then
• 21:26
  Speaker 11: you're inhaling a failing You'll start asperating and then you
• 21:30
  Speaker 11: aspirate the blood and then you can just you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 11: when you are eggs failing the fineness of blood and
• 21:39
  Speaker 11: fluids come out along with your breath and you're really struggling.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I understand with this stabbing first occurred, there's so much
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: media surrounding it, and I thought, what is this about?
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Is because it's an expensive area?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Why because stabbings happen every day and seemingly nobody cares well.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut too. This is Miguel
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Almgure with NBC.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: The father of two who had recently moved to Miami
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: was more than a tech icon, his wife saying Bob
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Lee was the most incredible and beautiful human being. He
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: was everyone's best friend. Police still have no suspects or
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: motive for the murder.
• 22:19
  Speaker 12: It's gonna be hard to imagine a world where you
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: can't call Bob and say, hey, I had this problem
• 22:25
  Speaker 12: I'm thinking through can you help me through it? He
• 22:26
  Speaker 12: was an absolutely instrumental person in the tech industry.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: This morning, the high profile murder of a tech pioneer
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: killed while walking the streets in a city under increased
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: scrutiny for its safety.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: A visionary, a tech guru, and there's more tech. A
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: listener our friends at crime Online.
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: He's been described as that person that everyone wants to
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: be around. Bob Lee's gregarious personality drew people in Friends
• 22:53
  Speaker 13: described Lee as happy, go lucky and an enthusiastic ball
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: of energy. Lee had been a water polo star at
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: Lindbergh School outside of Saint Louis, but in college his
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: passion's turn to technology. In fact, in the early two thousands,
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: while in college, Lee developed a solution to the codebred virus,
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: which played computers worldwide. He wrote and released a program
• 23:14
  Speaker 13: that users could implement to deflect the virus. Lee's muscle
• 23:18
  Speaker 13: in the tech world grew. He published an influential manual
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: on the code language Java, then worked with Google's AdWords.
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: In twenty ten, Square recruited Lee to become at CTO
• 23:29
  Speaker 13: chief technical Officer, where he helped build cash app. When
• 23:32
  Speaker 13: Square went public in twenty fifteen, Lee, the extrovert, social
• 23:37
  Speaker 13: technical genius and father of two, became a millionaire overnight.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: So this is the guy that created cash app. It's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: a P to P person to person transferring app on
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: your phone. This is the guy that created that kind
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of like Venmo, and there's more. I want you to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: take a listen hour cut four, Rob Nesbit Kron.
• 23:59
  Speaker 14: Lee had a successful career in tech as a founder
• 24:01
  Speaker 14: of cash app, former chief technology officer of Square, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 14: chief product officer at mobile Coin. His death caused a
• 24:08
  Speaker 14: firestorm of posts on social media about violent crimes.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: In San Francisco.
• 24:12
  Speaker 14: District Attorney Brooke Jenkins posted on Twitter Wednesday saying, quote
• 24:15
  Speaker 14: protecting public safety and holding violent repeat offenders accountable is
• 24:19
  Speaker 14: a top priority for my administration. The DA extended her
• 24:22
  Speaker 14: condolences to Lee's friends and family who are trying to
• 24:25
  Speaker 14: figure out the tough question of why.
• 24:27
  Speaker 15: I can't imagine anyone targeting Bob. He was not a
• 24:32
  Speaker 15: person who garnered any sort of animosity towards people. If anything,
• 24:37
  Speaker 15: he garnered respect and love, and people really enjoyed hanging
• 24:40
  Speaker 15: out with him.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Joining right now is our own tech guru, Ben Levitan,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: telecommunications expert, joining us out of Raleigh. You can find
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: him at Benlevetan dot com. You know, Ben, I've admired
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you for so long because the way you think tech
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: experts think differently than Shakespeare, literature.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Majors, or lawyers. It's a whole different mindset.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: You see the world in code like a seer, a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: page fall in numbers, and that makes sense to you,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to everybody else.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Is it a different mindset?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And how did somebody like Bob Lee rise to the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: very top of his industry.
• 25:24
  Speaker 16: It's really thanks for that intro. That's the best intro
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: I've ever had, Nancy, thank you. The fact is, you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 16: I've been an engineer for thirty years focused on the
• 25:35
  Speaker 16: cell phone network. We think very black and white. Things
• 25:38
  Speaker 16: either work or do not work. There's no gray area
• 25:41
  Speaker 16: with the engineers. But Bob Lee's magic or what made
• 25:47
  Speaker 16: him so successful, is He's able to understand what people want,
• 25:53
  Speaker 16: what non engineers understand. The best engineer is going to
• 25:57
  Speaker 16: be someone who understands what a non engineer wants to see.
• 26:02
  Speaker 16: That's why Apple's been so successful. It's very very simple.
• 26:07
  Speaker 16: Bob understood that people wanted a quick, easy way to
• 26:13
  Speaker 16: pay each other exchange money. The big thing that he
• 26:17
  Speaker 16: understood it was not everybody has a bank account. The
• 26:20
  Speaker 16: other big thing he understood is it had to be simple,
• 26:23
  Speaker 16: an instant, and that they wouldn't mind paying a small
• 26:27
  Speaker 16: percentage of that for him to facilitate the services. Ironically, Nancy,
• 26:34
  Speaker 16: in this case, the best evidence is going to come
• 26:36
  Speaker 16: off the cash app. Every time you make a transaction,
• 26:41
  Speaker 16: the cash app is going to record your location. It's
• 26:45
  Speaker 16: going to record the two parties who were doing the transaction.
• 26:50
  Speaker 16: It's going to have their mobile phone numbers. There's going
• 26:54
  Speaker 16: to be so much evidence right there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So you just put that in a way it even
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: a literature major can understand. Okay, So who would do
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: this thing to attack Guru, a visionary node around the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: world and a father of two, I might add, take
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: a listen to our cutd.
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: Just after two am Tuesday morning, Bob Lee called police.
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: He was near San Francisco's Bay Bridge. He reportedly yelled
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: into his phone, help someone stabbed me. Surveillance footage showed
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: Lee struggling to walk up a city street. He tried
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: to wave down a white cameray with its hazard lights on.
• 27:33
  Speaker 13: The camera drives away and Lee collapses on the ground.
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: Six minutes later, the police arrive and Lee is unconscious
• 27:40
  Speaker 13: and bleeding uncontrollably. Lee has been stabbed three times, once
• 27:44
  Speaker 13: in the hip and twice in the chest.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So now a mystery car emerges, a car that speeds
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: away when Lee circles back to it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Why uh. Here's more from our friends.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: At NBC Doherty's calling it a planned and deliberate attack.
• 28:01
  Speaker 17: There is evidence regarding motive that has been located in
• 28:05
  Speaker 17: this case, but certainly we have to make sure that
• 28:08
  Speaker 17: we look at every avenue.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: This video, obtained by the Dailymail dot Com shows Lee
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: staggering away after the attack. Police later found a text
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: message from Kazar Momenty on Lee's phone. Just wanted to
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: make sure you're doing okay because I know Nima came
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: way down hard on you, and thank you for being
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: such a classy man handling it with class. Love you.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it looks like yet again, ben Levitan is right.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: The cops are combing through Lee's cell phone, his pings,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: following him through the evening.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Let me understand, Jens Smith Daily Dailymail dot Com investigative reporter.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: He was now.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: He had moved to Miami. His two children, his two
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: little girls were there. His ex wife's there. They're raising
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the children together, his father, very very close relationship with
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the father who also moves to Miami to be with
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Bobb Lee.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: He comes back to San Francisco for a tech conference. Right, Yeah,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: all of.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: That is exactly right. He lived in the Bay Area,
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: a suburb Actulega, north of San Francisco for some time,
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: and then late last year, I think it was the
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: fall of twenty twenty two, Bobbly moved his whole family
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: to Miami. That's including his ex wife and his father, Ben.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Levitan, telecommunications expert, joining us out of Raleigh. Ben, we
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: learned that in this very ritzy area there are cams everywhere,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: surveillance cameras, rings, all sorts of surveillance, and that is
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: how we get some of the video we see of
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: him staggering around for help as he's bleeding out. But
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: you say, texts and pinging and following the trail of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: where he was that night, went out on the town
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day after the conference let
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: out can give us so much more information. Now, I
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: want to ask you about surveillance video cams. Do they
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: still tape over themselves like at the end of seventy
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: two hours like they did in the Chandra Levy case.
• 30:41
  Speaker 16: It depends on how much you're spending on this technology.
• 30:45
  Speaker 16: A lot of them do overright, But memory is so
• 30:48
  Speaker 16: cheap nowadays, and if you're just recording low resolution like
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: what we saw in the Daily Mail video that's very
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: low resolution. You could keep that for years. But you
• 30:59
  Speaker 16: know what's critical was the twenty four hours prior and
• 31:03
  Speaker 16: everybody's going to happen. There's so much more than video.
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: Every time you walk around with your phone, you're leaving
• 31:09
  Speaker 16: digital footprints all over the place. So certainly in that
• 31:14
  Speaker 16: office lobby, they know everybody who came near that building.
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: So those would be perpetrators, those would be suspects, and
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: those would be with potential witnesses. Digital evidence gives us
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: three things. Who was at this, who is at the scene,
• 31:31
  Speaker 16: and those are potential suspects. Yes, those are potential witnesses,
• 31:37
  Speaker 16: and that's the most important thing. People may have walked
• 31:39
  Speaker 16: by and didn't even know what was going on. Someone
• 31:43
  Speaker 16: may have seen someone running away from Bob Lee and
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: thought nothing of it. And when the police pull up
• 31:52
  Speaker 16: their footprint.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: Tho say yes.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: And you know what, Bean Leavittain, we really see this
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: kind of evidence come to the Forefront and the Idaho
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: students because the prime suspect, Bryan Coburger's phone shows him
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: in the area repeatedly, and then the night of the murders,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: he conveniently turns off or puts into airplane motors phone
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: and then it picks up right after the murders around
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: four thirty AM, leaving the crime scene, and you can
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: follow his trail. So Beilevitan telecommunications expert is right now
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: looking at the victim, Bob Lee's texts and messages. A
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: name emerges and boy does it take a listen hour
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: cut eight CBS.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: These haunting security camera images posted by London's Daily Mail
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: show the final moments of Bobly's life, and tonight police
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: say that brutal stabbing was not a random attack.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: We can confirm that mister Lee and Missimomenti knew each other.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: San Francisco's police chief says thirty eight year old Nima Momeni,
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: who owns a tech company, was arrested this morning in
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: the suburb of Emeryville and booked on one charge of murder.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: Officers can rented him with bullhorns. Law enforcement did not
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: give details or a motive for the killing.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Hold on Nima Momeni, a tech company owner, Well, that's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a bunch of bes, you know, a bunch of bs.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Jarrett Fiorentino, homicide prosecutor. That's a technical legal term, but
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: there's really no other way to put it. I mean,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think they have a Latin phrase for that.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Lawyers could throw around in the courtroom. But Jen Smith,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: he's not a successful tech owner. Didn't he lie about
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: graduating from Berkeley?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about MOMIENI he sure did.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: He would love the world to think, or at one stag,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: he would have loved the world to think that he
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: was as high flying tech executive. We're not talking about
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: the kind of success that Bobbly enjoyed though. That's not
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: had a small shop.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: He worked out of his apartment.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: He worked out of his apartment. That's correct. He has
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: an IT domain name. I would say it best. That's
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: about as far as it goes at the moment. That's
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: what we know. Anyway, he had lied about his college education.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: He said he went to Berkeley. Berkeley says he did not.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: And really the rest of his life is somewhat of
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: a mystery. But like you say, he was working out
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: of his apartment in Emeryville, which is but five miles
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: from where the attack took place.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with working out of your apartment
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: or home. Many people do it, especially since COVID. But
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to lie about it? Doctor John Delatory, joining US psychologists
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: and mediator specializing in forensic psychology. Why do people have
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: to lie about it? Who cares if you work out
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of your place, you're loft, Nobody cares? But why lie
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: about it? Nobody cares where you went to college. Great,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: they may care for a minute when you're trying to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: get your first job, but.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Then after that, why lie about it? Doctor Delatory?
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, because you have a high impression manager. Just because
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: the world doesn't look at you as being somewhat important,
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: that doesn't mean that you don't view the world as
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: needing you to be important. So of course you're gonna lie,
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: and in course you're gonna embellish if you believe that
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: the world is going to judge you in ways you
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: don't want to be judged.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I came off of red dirt road, drinking
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: well water. I don't know how somebody like me managed
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: to worm my way into Valdosta College and then Mercy
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: University and then NYU.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: It's a miracle.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I've always been amazed at people that lie about everything
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: to do with their background. But there's more at play here.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Take a listen now, our cut seven. This is Brooke Jenkins.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And remember the DA has endeared a real hail storm
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: because of the crime in this area. This wants wonderful,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: beautiful area. It's now home. It's drenched in crime. And
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know why the mayor is brading and crowing. Hey,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: this wasn't a homeless person that committed the crime, lady.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: They committed a crime on Main Street and nobody would
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: help this guy.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: It's crime ridden. Listen to this.
• 36:14
  Speaker 17: While in some cases we do immediately have a suspect
• 36:18
  Speaker 17: that was not the situation here, as a result of
• 36:22
  Speaker 17: their hard work, mister Lee's killer has been identified, arrested,
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: and now will be brought to justice. I am here
• 36:29
  Speaker 17: today to formally announce the charges against mister Nima Momeni
• 36:34
  Speaker 17: for the murder.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Of Bob Lee.
• 36:36
  Speaker 17: The specific charges that we are filing today include murder
• 36:40
  Speaker 17: in violation of Penal Code Section one eighty seven, as
• 36:44
  Speaker 17: well as a special allegation also known as an enhancement,
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: alleging that this murder was committed with a knife.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I wonder why it's an enhancement if anybody on the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: panel knows, unless they're trying to curb knife violence. And
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: speaking of knives. Jan Smith, investigative reporter, dailymail dot Com.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: This guy MoManI has a history with knives. Explain that
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: little matter regarding a switch blade.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he sure does.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: We know know that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: In two thousand and eleven, Nima MoManI was charged with
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: attacking a woman with a switch blade. Obviously this came
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: to light after his arrest in the ball Blee case.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: I know, speaking of the knife in this case, fancy,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: we're not talking about a switchblade. We're talking about kitchen knife,
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: a large one. That is what police say he used
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: to attack ball.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Bleade kitchen knife.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: But he before that had a history of trying to
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: sell an illegal switchblade.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Is that correct?
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's absolutely right. This guy has a long history
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: with violence, clearly specifically associated with knife.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Well, the evidence is largely electronic, and Bean Leavitan is
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: right about that. And I know, Jarrett Farantino, you love
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: electronic evidence, digital evidence, because it doesn't lie like an
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: eyewitness may have had bad vision and left their glasses
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: at home, not so a digital information. Take listen, how
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: we're cutting nine from our friends at NBC.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: The moments before, during, and after the murder of Bob
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Lee were recorded on surveillance cameras and help detectives track
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: down their suspect. According to court documents, the tech Titans
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: relationship with this woman, Kauzar Momenti, may have been the
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: reason her brother Nima Momeni killed the forty three year old.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Is mister Lee's.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Relationship with the suspect's sister a major part of this case.
• 38:35
  Speaker 17: His relationship with the suspects sister is certainly the connection
• 38:39
  Speaker 17: it appears between the two and so that is something
• 38:42
  Speaker 17: that's very important to this investigation.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: In a Nutsheale Gentsmith for forty run out of time?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Why would Mamini kill Bob Lee over Mamini's sister. She's
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: married to a very successful, well known plastic surgeon in
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: that area.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: Well, it's all now emerging that friends who were close
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: to Bob Ley and Kazarmamenny, the glamorous sister, they believed
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: that the pair were having a romantic relationship. And it
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: gets darker than that. There is a suggestion that Kauzarmahmeni
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: was using drugs. She had a drug problem that she
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: was hiding.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: You mean the sister, the sister.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Kauzarmuhmeny, Yes, the sister. There is a suggestion that she
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: had a drug problem, she was hiding from her husband,
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: and that she was perhaps artying with Lee. On the
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: day before the murder, Her brother, Nina, older than her,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: didn't like obviously that she was engaging in this type
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: of behavior. He, we know, questioned Bob Lee about it
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: hours before the stabbing. He wanted to know the extent
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: of their relationship, and he wanted to know from Lee
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: whether or not his sister had been getting into anything
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: that wasn't exactly proper, should we say. Bobly assures Nima
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: Muhmeni that his sister Kazar, this woman that he is
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: apparently having affair with, was not using drugs, that everything
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: was fine. That speaks to the text message that was
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: discovered on Bobby's phone from the sister.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: What happens after.
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: That, Nanci, We're not exactly sure, but clearly it set
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: Nima Momani's brother into a very violent rage.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Jared Fiorentino, homicide Prosecutor of Pennsylvania Number one. The state
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: never ever has to prove the motive under the law.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: It's a practical matter. The jury wants to hear what
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: the motive would be, and I'm very curious about this
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: whole the way this whole thing went down, because Jarrett Ferentino,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: it doesn't wash with me that these two had been
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: going to restaurants and bars or whatever since the tech
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: conference got out that day, you know, hitting the town
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, Momonia gets mad and
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: stabs him dead.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: That doesn't quite ring true to me.
• 40:56
  Speaker 8: Well, if you were shaping up here, is that it's
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: looking like MOMENTI was playing the role of the protective
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: big brother. The speculation is that Lee may have been
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: involved in procuring some kind of narcotics for Tina is
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: her nickname, Nima's sister, and that may be what triggered
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: him When he discovered that Lee had been involved in
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: procuring narcotics for Tina and he's playing the big brother.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: They get into an argument, they being Nima and Bob,
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: and the stabbing ensues. But like you said, the fact
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: that they're out on the town having dinner, traveling in
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: the same social circles over the course of that evening
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: doesn't necessarily jive with it exploding into a violent conflict.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: You know the old phrase, Jerif Farantina, Sticks and stones
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: can break my bones, but words can never hurt me.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: The reality is, I don't care what they argued about.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I don't care what Mamini thought. He stabbed the guy,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: an unarmed victim, dead, and left him to stagger around
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  Speaker 2: this exclusive area to die, begging for help from a
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: car and passers by.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Nobody would help him. He knew he was dying, he
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: was spinning up blood. I don't care what they talked about.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: This is murder, and it's murder one.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: In the last hours, we know that a continuance has
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: been granted to the defense for an arrayment, and the
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: defendant remains behind bars.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: As he should. We wait as just as some poles.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,