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Talks to Iain Martin & Dylan Rees about The TV Movie · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hi, Mark, This is Daphne Ashbrook from Doctor Who the
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  movie. Hello, Hello.
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  Hello. Glad to see ya.
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  Hope you're well. Hope everything's beautiful.
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  This is a message from Joe, who loves you very much, and he
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  wanted me to tell you that. And so I'm going to do that.
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  And I'm going to say that I hear you are a big fan of the Doctor
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  Who the film. I know I had a blast doing it.
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  And so it makes me very happy that that that brought you joy.
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  And I wish it had gotten picked up too.
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  It would have been so much fun. Really would have had a great
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  time doing that. But it was kind of, you know,
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  perfect in a way. There's a nice bridge between
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  the old and the new Doctor Who. And, and I was so thrilled to be
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  a part of it. And I'm so honored to be asked
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  to send you this message because, you know, love is
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  everything. And we need more of that around
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  this planet. And I'm thrilled and honored and
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  sending you my love as well as Joe's.
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  So there you go. And I hear that you are able to
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  quote Grace like crazy. And I would love to hear that
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  some way, somehow one day. So we're going to have to work
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  on that because I would love to hear you do me anyway, I'm I'm
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  crazy. I, I look, I tried to do all
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  kinds of different things with this.
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  I was thinking, how can I send this love message?
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  So I was looking at poetry, found some of my favorite love
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  poems, actually recorded one of them and also thought maybe I'd
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  send you a love song. So I tried that, but I don't
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  know if any of that was really happening.
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  So, so this is it, ma'am. This is the message of love from
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  me to you. You know, you finally meet the
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  right guy and he's from a different planet there.
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  I gave you one. Anyway, I'm loving you, Joe's
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  loving you. Huge amounts of love coming your
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  way. And I hope you have a beautiful
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  holiday. We're getting close and sending
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  you lots of love and happiness and hope you're well and
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  healthy. And here's to 2022 being a
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  better year. Thank you.
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  Bye now. Welcome back to Hudster with a
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  blood pen knife, the Doctor Who commentary podcast celebrating
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  may get oh, no, I feel dirty saying it.
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  So celebrating the 30th anniversary of Paul Mcgann's
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  time with the Doctor. And we're going to be doing the
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  TV movie today on the panel today.
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  Last scene facing the day of the Doctor.
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  I have Mr. Ian Martin. Hello, Ian.
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  Have you finished playing with your pussy?
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  No. As as she walks across the
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  screen. You couldn't have time that
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  better darling girl. Hello, I'm really good.
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  How's everyone? Are we good?
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  Spiffing excellent. We do end up pretending we
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  haven't been podcasting for two hours thing.
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  Yeah, absolutely. I was trying to keep it.
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  Good. Good, good, good.
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  And also there see it's not just me that talks pre introduction
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  Mr. Dylan Reece. Hello, it's so wonderful to be
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  here. And these shoes, they fit
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  perfectly. There'll be a fair amount of
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  quoting going on in this, right? I mean, how many times have you
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  seen this movie? He's taken the sofa.
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  Oh my God. I've seen this so many times.
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  I watched it about three times the day it came out on video, so
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  and probably once a day for about a year afterwards.
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  Ian. Yeah, I've probably seen this
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  somewhere between maybe 30 and 50 times in my life.
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  I mean, yeah, I was. I was there on on the VHS
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  release date. I was there on both VHS release
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  dates because it was due out and then they delayed it by a
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  fortnight. That pissed me off.
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  To give it a trim. Yeah.
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  Was the VHS out before it was even broadcast?
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  I thought. I imagined.
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  That. Yep, about about.
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  I mean, not ultimately by too much, like maybe a week or two.
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  Yeah, it was a couple of weeks, but it was supposed to be a
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  month. But then the dumb blind massacre
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  happened, so they cut out some of the shooting.
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  OK also they cut out the zoom in on the stereo system as McCoy
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  died for some reason. Yeah, it was going to be given a
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  15 rating by the BBFC, so they had to, they had to cut.
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  It I can actually, less so when it first came out, although I
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  did love it when it came out. I'll have a small personal story
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  to tell you folks and that is I can literally detail.
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  The first time that Mark and I fucked was directly after we was
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  in a hotel in Didcot and we did a read through of the entire TV
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  movie script right from beginning to end.
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  He brought 2 copies along and we were so caught up in the moment
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  of the TV movie we just ended up in bed together.
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  Was he the master and you were Changli?
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  No, he was definitely, definitely Ashbrook.
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  Jesus Christ. Yeah.
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  So it does mean quite a lot to me, this story, you know, as a
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  seduction technique, it works brilliantly.
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  But you do have to be a Doctor Who fan, all right?
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  Don't just try it on anyone. Don't try it on poo.
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  Yeah. All right, Ian, it won't work.
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  It does it. I've I tried it in the 90s.
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  I was turning it on anyone. No, we don't.
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  We don't want to watch this. We don't.
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  Start randomly going up to people saying the Asian child.
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  Yeah, that that gets you in trouble as well.
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  I I had more luck with people saying, all right, I'll sleep
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  with you if you don't make me watch it.
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  That just goes to show how wrong people were in the 90s.
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  Going to kick us into the story any second, but I just want to
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  ask you one question 1st and that is obviously when this came
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  out it was divisive, right? There's that maybe bullshit.
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  Maybe the true story of terrorist Dicks and Barry.
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  Let's leaving the screening appalled saying it's not Doctor
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  Who. I remember Matt Jones's fluid
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  links the next month after it came out where he was saying no,
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  that wasn't Doctor Who at all. Other people were just clinging
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  onto any scrap saying please do some more because we want more
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  Doctor Who. But do you think over time that
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  a lot of its detractors have sort of fallen away?
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  Because I only really see love for this now.
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  What do you think, Dylan? Yeah, I think absolutely.
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  I think again, everyone pinned their hopes on to this being a
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  bold new dawn, which it wasn't and I don't think it was ever
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  going to be, but maybe we'll come to that in a little bit.
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  I think it's, you know, it's some of the best looking, best
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  produced Doctor Who we've ever had to this day.
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  And at the time it was so exciting.
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  And also it's about what it's spawned now as well.
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  And because the show came back and became a massive success,
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  it's no longer a last gasp. It's, it's just, it's a midpoint
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  between old Doctor Who and new Doctor Who.
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  And it's this weird little blip in the middle where for one
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  night only, it was this brilliant mad American adventure
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  show. And yeah, Doctor Who fans are
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  always going to complain. And it was the main complaint
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  was the kissing. There'd be more of that and the
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  ending, but. There'd be more of that as well.
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  Yeah, exactly. Most, most new series stories
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  like that seem to end like that and actually like the memory
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  cheats in terms of classic Doctor Who, in terms of the way
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  a lot of those stories were resolved.
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  It's not like some incredibly complex affair.
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  It's usually an explosion. It's just this time it's some
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  wires being moved around and a bit of an explosion.
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  So the memory definitely cheats. But yeah, there were a bunch of
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  very vocal detractors. Also, I think that the Barry
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  let's Dick stories been overemphasized over time because
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  I saw them at a convention the year that it came out and they
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  were like, we thought it looked brilliant.
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  We thought he was brilliant. We loved the TARDIS, didn't get
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  all the stuff with under the console at the time.
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  So I think that's probably what what was said essentially.
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  We've all read The Eight Doctors.
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  You know that first page? It was some mad dream in San
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  Francisco. Let's make the TARDIS white
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  again, Right? Let's go on adventures.
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  Ian, what do you think? What was the question?
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  Do you think the reputation of the TV movie has softened over
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  time? I think it's more that it's,
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  it's not really in the conversation anymore.
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  So people who don't like it, you, you don't get to hear from
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  them about it, maybe. There's far more things for them
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  to hide other. Than this exactly.
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  They're, you know, if, if they're offside because of
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  kissing and timey whiminess, then they can, you know, be the
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  people who hate the Steven Moffett.
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  Here that really struggled. I love this though, what went
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  wrong? Nothing.
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  Nothing. It's nothing.
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  Yeah. Well, it's the ultimate
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  celebration we can do is to watch this thing.
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  Should we go ahead and watch this thing?
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  Please can we? But wait, hold the phone.
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  I've got one more question for Dylan before we go in.
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  Dylan Now initially this was a three-way podcast experience,
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  wasn't it? And we was going to read a book
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  for Ian's fabulous podcast. We were all stories in the end,
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  a little plugged area. We don't want to forget about
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  doing this. All right.
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  And you did read that book, didn't you?
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  Yes, I read The Crooked World. I feel like I'll get ahead of
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  things and get that read and out of the way and I finished it.
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  I was like Mum, mum, I've done my homework and mum says
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  school's cancelled. Oh boy.
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  Well, I just did you enjoy it? I did, actually.
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  I thought it was a lot of fun. I don't think it was perfect,
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  but throwing Doctor Who into this weird cartoon world for a
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  book is exactly this sort of thing.
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  I like my spin off media to do to just do some madcap idea, You
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  know, I think it could have done with a stronger villain, but
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  certainly getting all the very nearly popular culture
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  references within their of Tom and Jerry and scooby-doo and
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  things like that. What?
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  What a brilliant book. Someone should really do a
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  podcast on it one day talking about how fantastic it is.
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  Fitzcryner having it off with a Barbie, finding out she's got no
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  parts. Yeah, exactly.
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  Look, we've all been there. Oh no, wait, we haven't.
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  God. Well, thank you for doing the
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  homework anyway. And Ian, should you wish to just
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  take out that one minute and put.
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  Out a very. Small episode alongside.
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  This the thing. The thing is, the crooked world
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  starts with T, and I'm only as far as L at the.
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  Moment so just twatting. Yeah, I don't, I don't think
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  there's a Doctor Who book called Doctor Who Twat, but that.
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  Was twat man. It was the one that Tom Baker
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  and Ian Martyr. Yeah, that's right.
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  Yes, with Sophonis Bumo it. Well, should we go and wash this
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  thing? That's bloody.
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  A long time ago, on the planet of I forgot.
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  Now this starts now. Well, someone counts in Ian
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  counts. In.
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  In three 20. My God.
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  One play. I mean.
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  Do you remember seeing? Remember seeing those effects
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  for the first. Time God.
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  Doesn't Scaro look exactly like Gallifrey it?
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  Does it does Now who is this master?
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  It's Gordon Tipple, so I thought this opening sequence was all
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  CGI. But Gordon Tipple is a real
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  person. They built the set of the thing
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  that he's in. Where?
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  And they painted his face brown for.
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  Something they put They put a hat on him that made him look
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  like his own eye with all. Winter parties like this let's
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  like. A very aerodynamic cycling
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  helmet from the future. Now it has been said that
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  perhaps the film would have been better.
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  Without this stuff. And I don't know whether that's
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  true. I mean, it's the, the, the, the
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  sort of main thing people say is it's that moment where you see
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  the fish head chopped off. That's where it's just started.
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  I think that's true. But I think you could have taken
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  this and chucked it at the end and made the question, because I
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  mean, Doctor, Who am I? Essentially the doctor's lost
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  his memory was the pitch for the film.
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  And I just think but. I think then yes.
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  Now, no. I wouldn't be without the shitty
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  Daleks at the start there. Yeah, I would certainly wouldn't
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  be without Sylvester Mccoy's 15 Minutes.
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  It's the best actor he ever did in Doctor Room.
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  No nostalgia wise yeah I I completely agree but.
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  What do we think of what do we think of these opening credits?
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  Just quickly gorgeous. Oh they are lovely.
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  Duh, duh, duh duh duh duh. These never.
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  Sounded better. Is it?
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  Is it real? Is it a band?
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  Is it a? Orchestra.
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  It's an orchestra, yeah. This Tardis?
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  Is not. CGI.
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  It's a model shot incorporated in the CGI.
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  On a string. It's on.
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  It's on pivot. On a pivot.
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  Pivot so originally it opened this monologue was a a last
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  minute thing. You know, it was on the planet
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  Scaro that my old enemy, the. Masters.
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  It was originally Gordon Tipple doing the monologue being
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  executed so and that is out there on the Internet if you
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  want to hear it. This is either directly post
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  Lung Barrow or directly post the last day, depending on which
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  continuity you follow. All that comic strip that Ace
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  dies in with the giant spider. Can we just have a moment?
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  I've just saw his name there for John Debney's.
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  Scar. Oh yeah.
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  It's one of the best scores ever, I think.
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  Yeah, it's so memorable in a way that perhaps a lot of these
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  things often are not. We have a little sing with me
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  later. If you know the music, you know
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  the chase. Will have to.
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  Yeah, then yeah. There's a really out there if
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  you can get it. Or do you know what?
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  Drop me a line. There's a thing called the work
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  print, which is unfinished effects and attempt score.
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  And genuinely, the attempt score is just pulled from different
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  other TV programs and films and it changes the tone in these
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  early parts of it so much. Towards the end they're using
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  Indiana Jones music and actually the chase is sort of it's about
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  the same vibe, but the earlier stuff with the here and in the
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  TARDIS, it actually is slightly darker and scarier because
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  they're using like plinky, Plunky X-Files music and stuff
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  like that. How beautiful, gentlemen, is
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  this TARDIS? It's beautiful, but not at all
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  practical. Thank God, I thought you were
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  going to say, how beautiful does Sylvester McCoy look there?
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  I mean, it's a great look for Sylvester McCoy, isn't it?
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  It's. Mad hair he's got going on.
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  There, I mean, he weren't coming back in that jumper, was he?
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  That's no. And do you know what you don't
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  notice in here because of the grading is the colour of his
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  trousers. When you see his trousers on
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  like action figures and in pictures, they're so blue.
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  But you just don't quite get I. Tend not to look at Sylvester
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  Mccoy's trousers very often. Oh.
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  It's I look at nothing else. It was a beautiful song.
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  Sorry, yeah. Again, this wasn't the song that
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  there was a different song that they used but they couldn't get
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  the rights for. It was here where the cup jumped
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  in the air and then it cuts to the scratch and then slow motion
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  of it. I was like, oh, this is going to
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  be directed to the hill. And it is.
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  It's an odd choice. Jeffrey Sachs, he's somebody
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  that you wouldn't. I mean, you know, we'll get to
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  Jeffrey Saxon, this fucking the silver thing in the TARDIS and
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  an explode. This was the most exciting thing
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  I'd ever seen as a sort of 13 year old or whatever.
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  And look at McCoy, he looks so comfortable now around the
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  TARDIS. That console does look a little
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  bit crap though, doesn't it? Fuck you, Ian.
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  It's no, it's, it's I love. I love the word.
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  I just think there's not maybe enough controls I.
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  Like the the constant of the scanner that he pulls down on
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  the. Yeah.
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  That's great, Yeah. And what about the huge, What's
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  it called? The scanner in the ceiling,
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  Yeah. Planetarium, it's amazing, but I
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  just think the the console's just got about like 9 knobs on
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  one of the panels and you just think, where's the reticular
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  vector gorge? Where's the Where's the temple?
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  Oh, it's like, God's sake, there's come all over the tart.
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  That does that does look jizzy. I've not been Outback produced
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  that much for years. Good God.
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  Oh there's the fish. Sorry fella.
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  The most famous fish in Doctor Who fandom.
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  Slop daddy he does. Conventions, you know.
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  I mean, who the fuck? Would think to do this as a
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  transition in this kitchen which means nothing to the story at
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  all. It's so great.
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  What is the semiotic significance of chopping off the
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  fish's head? Is it to say old Doctor Who is
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  dead? This is new?
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  Or is it just to say I hate fish?
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  The anti fish agenda was real in the 90s.
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  Look at this gang warfare on the streets of San Francisco. 3
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  Three children can you? Hear the music here.
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  Can't you Done, Done, Done, done, done, done?
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  Oh, oh, he's going to now he's got a good speed.
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  Is he going to jump? He's he's over the fence.
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  Look at. That it's also exciting.
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  But you could be in an episode of X-Files at this point,
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  couldn't you? There's certain points, you
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  know. Do you remember Leonard Betts
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  again? Yes, I do.
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  There's certain points with around the ambulance that are
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  shot. Yeah.
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  Just like Leonard Betts. It's that time though, isn't it?
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  It's it's, it's 96 I believe. 96 Oh my God, I don't even know
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  what year it is, no. We're watching the iPlayer
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  version. How much shooting do we get in
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  this version? I.
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  Wonder. Oh yeah.
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  Because there's a lot more shooting in the the version that
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  went out. Yeah, exciting.
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  Do the 2 little mates they both fur die?
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  Ohh yeah, we've yeah. It's so there's a scene gone.
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  They were both shot and they fall to the floor and then
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  they're about to shoot Chang Lee and the TARDIS materialising.
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  Oh, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're watching the cut version.
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  Oh, it's like a little mate. I'm as bad as Talis of Wenchai.
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  It's like that, that cutscene from RoboCop where you see Ed
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  209 really blasting the hell out of out of that guy on the desk.
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  It's like. I love just. 10 minutes of
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  writhing and. I love the fact that McCoy has
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  been making grand schemes around the universe for so long and he
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  just walked out of the TARDIS and got shot dead.
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  What? What do we What?
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  Yeah. What do we think of this as an
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  end? For a doctor, it's different.
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  It's quite visceral, isn't it? Like you feel the bullets.
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  Yeah, I mean, in the new series the Doctor just always gets
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  blasted by a laser of some sort, doesn't it?
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  Yeah, it's it's sort of it's lost some of the sophistication
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  it used to have. I mean, this is perhaps the most
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  unsophisticated have. You ever ejaculated into a
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  keyhole like that? Not like that, no.
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  I did once through the letterbox of an estate agent, but never
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  into a keyhole. It's quite a tight, narrow
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  target. See, these special effects are a
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  bit sort of Terminator 2 E, aren't they?
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  They're. Sort of very much so, very much
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  so. And, and I was just going to
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  say, when the the previous story that was aired was survival, you
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  feel like there's been this phenomenal quantum leap in, in
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  Doctor Who's fortunes to look this good suddenly.
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  I was going to say there's a bit of Terminator in Eric Roberts's
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  look a bit. Late.
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  There's a bit of Terminator in all of us, Do they?
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  Which? Bit.
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  I don't know. This is Eric Roberts before we
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  had his jaw wired sharp, isn't it?
• 21:03
  So we could say I actually say dialogue at this point.
• 21:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:06
  OK. Actually, I think he's great in
• 21:08
  this. He gets the tone of this person.
• 21:10
  I won't be having an anti Eric. Camp as Christmas.
• 21:14
  Fantastic. Oh my God.
• 21:16
  We're in ER. Now apparently Roberts did do in
• 21:20
  his first few takes a slightly more tone down performance and
• 21:24
  they were like no, amp it up. We want more, we want more from
• 21:27
  you, and I think it's the right choice.
• 21:29
  It's like it's like Anthony Ainley all over again.
• 21:32
  Oh God, we're about to be introduced to my favorite side
• 21:35
  character. You know, the woman who's always
• 21:36
  trying to give Grace the phone. It's Brian, that one.
• 21:43
  It's your dull preppy beard. Isn't she the one sister?
• 21:47
  The master? Oh, grey body snatching, it's
• 21:50
  that one. Do you think there's too many
• 21:53
  shots in the ambulance of the sort of snake slivering about?
• 21:57
  It seems to be stuck there for a good 10 minutes.
• 22:00
  Maybe he's thinking about stealing the ambulance and then
• 22:03
  do. You think there's too many shots
• 22:04
  of naked Sylvester McCoy? You could never have too many
• 22:08
  shots of naked Sylvester McCoy. Simon Brewer, if you're
• 22:12
  listening and you're still planning that film about
• 22:14
  Sylvester McCoy, take that note, OK?
• 22:16
  We don't want to see naked Sylvester.
• 22:19
  Or if you could do 2 cuts, one for Ian and one for me, where
• 22:23
  Sylve does the same interviews but just naked.
• 22:26
  Oh, she gets the line 2 hearts. Oh, she's the best, That woman.
• 22:30
  I think her name's Curtis. Hello, who's this smug looking
• 22:37
  doctor? He's a very interesting choice
• 22:39
  of actor to play a doctor in the US.
• 22:42
  He's not Indian. You know we need on the case,
• 22:46
  don't you, Amazing Grace. Amazing.
• 22:51
  Like I think we'll all get her hard on when she's going down
• 22:53
  that corridor. In the I'm already there mate,
• 22:57
  I'm. Already.
• 22:58
  There, it's not the best companion introduction ever.
• 23:02
  Yeah, I think it is. It's so iconic.
• 23:05
  How old was she when she did this?
• 23:07
  Oh. No.
• 23:09
  Because. She is old, 20s early 30s.
• 23:11
  I'd have had her about 30, yeah. Yeah, because for a Doctor Who
• 23:16
  companion, she is a bit like she's, most of them are sort of
• 23:20
  19 or whatever. So it, it, it felt to me at the
• 23:23
  time like they'd cast a woman rather than a girl.
• 23:26
  And I know that's sort of it. It feels more almost in the
• 23:30
  Catherine Tate mould, even though like 30 is impossible.
• 23:32
  Well, it's coming. It's coming while the new
• 23:35
  adventures are still being published.
• 23:36
  So it's like they've seen that Benny Sommerfield is a very
• 23:39
  successful companion and they, in my mind, they've cast someone
• 23:43
  of similar age. She's method, right?
• 23:45
  That single tear that she had when she pulled away the Opera
• 23:48
  glasses. Oh, look at that is.
• 23:51
  She. Barefoot.
• 23:52
  She. Is.
• 23:54
  Start running heels mate, I. Mean.
• 23:56
  What a fucker Brian is, man. She's gone off to save a life
• 23:59
  and he's like, oh, you're leaving the opera.
• 24:01
  Where I'd like a big finished story about what happened to
• 24:05
  Brian after this. He died.
• 24:08
  I was, I was thinking the other day, like if this had gone to a
• 24:13
  sort of seven series thing, then eventually they would have come
• 24:18
  back and done an episode. Maybe at the end of the final
• 24:20
  series of the Paul McGann years. Brian would have somehow been
• 24:24
  like the big bad because he was there at the start.
• 24:27
  Maybe he'd be coming back. Maybe a life without grace.
• 24:31
  Yeah. Driven him sort of into in cell
• 24:34
  territory. You know, everyone sort of rates
• 24:36
  the Smith and Jones, the start of that, where we learn so much
• 24:39
  about Martha. Everything was in there about
• 24:41
  Grace in that scene there. She's being dressed up, She's
• 24:44
  important. She's a highly skilled
• 24:46
  professional. She's got a shithead of a
• 24:48
  boyfriend at home who's given her hard time.
• 24:52
  Really quick, quick stuff. What?
• 24:55
  What do we think a series would have looked like?
• 24:57
  Oh, sexy. Like, it's interesting that
• 25:02
  every take that they have before this, when they're developing
• 25:06
  scripts is a reboot, and then at the last minute they decide to
• 25:09
  go for this version. But also, I don't think that
• 25:13
  we're ever really in danger of getting a series from this.
• 25:16
  I think from the Amblin version we were.
• 25:18
  But this just feels almost like a last desperate gasp from
• 25:22
  Seagull, who's been trying to get something made.
• 25:24
  He sees an opportunity, he takes it.
• 25:26
  I think the most we would have got is a couple more TV movies
• 25:28
  had the ratings been sky high. But as it was like, you know, I
• 25:33
  just don't think there was anything there perhaps.
• 25:35
  Unfortunately, or a Don machine is that even though that never
• 25:38
  came to be the amount of 8th Doctor material, whether that's
• 25:43
  books or audios or comics, I mean, he really found a
• 25:48
  following. People love the 8th Doctor,
• 25:50
  don't they? Is that because of this, or is
• 25:52
  that because of the wilderness years?
• 25:54
  I think it's a mix of the two, and I also think it helps that
• 25:58
  he was the lead doctor for a long time, so he's the lead in
• 26:02
  the books. He felt like the like the new
• 26:06
  and exciting doctrine, Big Finish.
• 26:07
  We were filling in gaps even from the start with Colin, Peter
• 26:11
  and Sylv, but he had the ongoing story arcs and the ongoing story
• 26:15
  and new companion. So I think he just felt like
• 26:18
  there was an infinite possibility of stories and we
• 26:20
  got them and then we got them again, and then we got them
• 26:23
  again and then we got them again.
• 26:25
  Ian, just because you know your money's being well spent, we're
• 26:29
  blasted with lasers. Oh, how exciting.
• 26:35
  I'm totally on board for that. I mean, we've never seen surgery
• 26:38
  like this, have we in Doctor Who?
• 26:40
  No, this, this is all completely new.
• 26:42
  Like it's a big mission statement to go, this is
• 26:45
  something completely different. This ain't your daddy's Doctor
• 26:48
  Who. It's like what What's popular at
• 26:51
  this point in the zeitgeist in the 90s, ER, Terminator X-Files.
• 26:56
  So let's put all of that on screen.
• 26:59
  Yeah, I mean, she basically is Scully, right?
• 27:02
  Even just the. Look, yeah.
• 27:04
  And. And that that can only ever be a
• 27:08
  good thing. But there's something very
• 27:10
  effervescent about Daphne Ashbrook.
• 27:13
  I don't know what it is. There's there's a, there's an
• 27:16
  energy about her and I just find infectious.
• 27:18
  It kind of transcends the script, doesn't it?
• 27:21
  You? You just know that that she can
• 27:23
  do the comedy episodes, she could do whatever you threw at
• 27:27
  her, and she manages to get that across in some fairly
• 27:30
  run-of-the-mill dialogue that she's actually given.
• 27:33
  Where precisely did she shove that probe?
• 27:36
  Well, you know how it is, someone sticks something in you,
• 27:39
  pushes it the wrong way, and you need to do a little twitch.
• 27:42
  Oh. I'd love to go that way,
• 27:44
  wouldn't you? I feel like she sort of put it
• 27:48
  into one heart and it worked its way through his other heart and
• 27:51
  out of the other side of his chest.
• 27:53
  But. I feel like JNT is still in
• 27:56
  charge here. Did you see that pad up her
• 27:57
  dress on? Her boobs were just sticking
• 27:59
  out. From that dress.
• 28:02
  Yeah, we're still, we're still in that era of TV army.
• 28:08
  No, I'm, I'm, I'm pretending to be above all that sort of thing.
• 28:11
  But really, I'm only here for the cleavage.
• 28:14
  What do we? What do we know about Harry von
• 28:18
  Gorkum? Is that a name that rings any
• 28:20
  bells to you? No.
• 28:22
  Harry von Gorkum was originally cast as the 8th Doctor.
• 28:26
  He flew through the auditions and was told there and then that
• 28:30
  he'd got the role. And they started negotiating
• 28:32
  with his agent. And then the BBC said no, he's
• 28:35
  not a big enough star. We don't, we don't want him.
• 28:38
  So for a brief time, this a man called Harry von Gorkum was
• 28:42
  going to be. The English.
• 28:45
  Not Paul McGann. He's an Englishman living in the
• 28:48
  States I believe. So look up and see what he's
• 28:53
  been in what? Has he been in?
• 28:55
  He's been in a bunch of American TV shows as a supporting actor,
• 28:58
  but nothing like. Any of the Star Treks I.
• 29:01
  Don't know whether he's been in Star Trek.
• 29:02
  He's been in 24 Oh. OK.
• 29:06
  Charmed, Will and Grace. Nash, Nash.
• 29:09
  Bridges. Seinfeld.
• 29:11
  He's a Batman. Yeah, NCIS but Batman and Robin,
• 29:17
  but like a path not trodden. We interrupt this podcast to
• 29:21
  bring you a message. If you're Nicholas Briggs and
• 29:24
  you're stuck for an idea for a box set, the Harry von Gorkin
• 29:27
  Dr. box sets one through 36 are out there waiting to be
• 29:32
  recorded. God grace wear that dress for
• 29:35
  out the entire story. She's just.
• 29:37
  Awful. Either of them.
• 29:39
  We just missed the Star Trek clock.
• 29:41
  It's the first time Star Trek has been mentioned in the Doctor
• 29:44
  Who universe on TV. Oh, now listen, I'm, I'm told
• 29:48
  Arsenal like this, but he's got a snake inside him, hasn't he?
• 29:53
  Oh, no, it's not in here, is it? Yeah.
• 29:55
  Usually. Yeah, it's he's right now.
• 29:58
  His snake is still in his trousers.
• 30:01
  Oh, it's sort of slivering around the room at the moment.
• 30:04
  Yeah, yeah. All these shots like the such
• 30:08
  smooth camera work he's using loads of cranes and chimps and
• 30:11
  stuff like that. Again, this isn't your BBC's
• 30:14
  Doctor Who, but Jeffrey Sachs was not an obvious choice.
• 30:17
  He started life working in current affairs before going to
• 30:23
  outside broadcast on the news 2 years before this.
• 30:26
  He was directing Birds of a Feather so to and and he said he
• 30:30
  was as shocked as anybody to come and do this and he was just
• 30:35
  like he did. He was doing more and more
• 30:37
  drama, but nothing to this scale and nothing of this budget.
• 30:39
  I mean, I first sort of knew him from The New Statesman, so I
• 30:43
  guess he'd been to, he'd been in in comedy for a while.
• 30:47
  I'm wondering if there is some prestige in British directors
• 30:51
  because the first Deep Space 9 episode was directed by an
• 30:55
  Englishman as well. They who they took over to
• 30:57
  America and that had a budget of 18,000,000.
• 31:01
  Like how? Yeah, they do put a lot of money
• 31:03
  into. British television was still
• 31:05
  sort of seen as the best in the world then, you know, then the
• 31:09
  the BBC, like American TV was seen as large quantities
• 31:13
  disposable, whereas Britain was making sort of your edge of
• 31:17
  darknesses and things like that. You get an 8 part series shot on
• 31:20
  film with some old Shakespearean actors in and things like that.
• 31:24
  And so I think it was, it was sort of a bit revered in the 90s
• 31:27
  in that respect. Do we like the Mortuary guy?
• 31:30
  You know his fucking brilliant, terrible joke.
• 31:33
  Party on. December 31st, 1999.
• 31:40
  He's an abrasive presence, isn't he?
• 31:42
  Now, what do we think of shots of Sylvester Mccoy's toes?
• 31:45
  Though I could have done without that.
• 31:47
  Yeah, what do we think of the the fundamental idea that the
• 31:50
  Ainley Master swallowed something that's turned him into
• 31:53
  a sort of jizz snake? I think Anthony Ailey swallowed
• 31:58
  a lot of strange things in this term.
• 32:01
  Eric, Eric Roberts just did on the screen.
• 32:04
  I've never had one that big, but oh God he was gagging.
• 32:10
  He was. He was almost dislocating his
• 32:12
  bottom jaw. That's when you know you've got
• 32:14
  grips with something quite special.
• 32:16
  This is a version of the master that's ripe for hamster, isn't
• 32:19
  it? And that's, of course, Eric
• 32:22
  Roberts, real wife. Yeah.
• 32:25
  Now, if you ever get a chance to watch the Eric Roberts Myth
• 32:28
  Makers, I highly recommend it because he's being interviewed
• 32:32
  by his wife who's doing a lot of the heavy lifting with the
• 32:34
  answers. Oh, really?
• 32:37
  This whole sequence with the intercuts to Frankenstein are
• 32:41
  chef's kiss. And I remember seeing this in my
• 32:45
  mouth just like, Oh my God, this is how they do regeneration now.
• 32:49
  Do we like that? Regeneration used to change all
• 32:51
  the time and now it's the same. I wish it kept changing,
• 32:55
  although then it changed to by Generation and I hated it.
• 33:00
  Now I do like how Sylvester McCoy is well in for the gurn in
• 33:04
  and Paul McGann is highly embarrassed by it.
• 33:06
  Look how it look. Look at McCoy.
• 33:11
  Oh, they're playing to Mccoy's strengths here.
• 33:13
  Wait, look at McGann. Now he's just sort of like, oh.
• 33:17
  Yeah, McGann just looked like looks like he's eating a lemon.
• 33:20
  Yeah. Like he's trying to let out a
• 33:21
  fart, you know, like very subtle.
• 33:25
  Paul McGann would never do that. No, he's perfect.
• 33:28
  They would. They would smell like honey.
• 33:30
  There's not many Doctor Who stories you can say the
• 33:32
  direction is artistic, though, is that?
• 33:35
  But this really is stuff like Heaven's saying, you know, there
• 33:38
  are a few moments where you can. Do you know what always ignores
• 33:42
  me? It annoys me ever since the time
• 33:45
  when he opens his mouth and the air comes out, it's just not
• 33:48
  quite synced up. So it's just a little bit above
• 33:51
  his mouth, a lot of it. And I noticed it at the time and
• 33:54
  I've it's been with me forever. What a loser.
• 33:59
  Yeah, you've ruined a. Curious assistant that watches
• 34:01
  horror movies eating popcorn while he's sitting there with
• 34:04
  the bodies. Yeah, he's in my car presence.
• 34:08
  Everyone sort of turns up at the end.
• 34:10
  Did you notice they're all at the party at the end, all of
• 34:12
  these side? Characters, Yeah, on on $40,000
• 34:18
  a year. But sure, they're all invited to
• 34:19
  this incredibly prestigious party.
• 34:22
  This thing about the superhuman strength, I remember people go
• 34:25
  mad about this. The Doctor can't, you know, bash
• 34:27
  down doors with his hands. Yeah, I was.
• 34:30
  I hand waved that as being like sort of post regeneration.
• 34:34
  All his cells are on fire. He's got 10 minutes of super
• 34:37
  strength. I didn't realise Craig Hinton
• 34:39
  was on this coal Wien. Yeah, but only a decade later
• 34:44
  they'd see the Doctor grow a new hand 24 hours after
• 34:47
  regenerating. Yeah, so.
• 34:49
  Oh, and the Marigold music now so far.
• 34:55
  Love that guy. Yeah.
• 34:56
  Does he ever done a convention? Get him down to Chiswick
• 34:59
  Phantom. You know the fellow who went on
• 35:01
  to flight for entirety? What's his name?
• 35:03
  Brian. You know who's in it later?
• 35:05
  The Doctor Toll's future. Who plays Gareth?
• 35:08
  Yeah. Oh, Gareth, that's it.
• 35:09
  Sorry, not Brian. Yeah.
• 35:11
  Oh, look at that shot there. I mean, that could have been
• 35:13
  Rachel Tolele tilt in his love camera there.
• 35:17
  You understand the correct or the corridor wrapped in a sheet.
• 35:20
  I always love it when you can see rain pattering in the
• 35:25
  reflection like that, just like in Blink.
• 35:28
  I thought you were going to say I always love it when you can
• 35:30
  sort of see through the shroud and look at his little peachy
• 35:33
  bottom. That doesn't hurt either.
• 35:37
  Lots of clocks on display. This this whole Christ analogy.
• 35:41
  Are we are we buying into this? Do we?
• 35:43
  I thought, hey, Davis did. Yeah.
• 35:46
  I don't think it's that Christy really.
• 35:48
  He's. In a fucking shroud.
• 35:51
  Who did Jesus, not Christ? No, specifically after Sylvester
• 36:00
  McCoy regenerated into Jesus in Galilee, he went on, he went to
• 36:06
  a temple and he couldn't remember who he was.
• 36:08
  So he just, he just kicked the shit out of the money lenders.
• 36:12
  There is a line right about this wing of the hospital that is,
• 36:16
  you know, the storm sort of caved it in and all of that.
• 36:19
  But it's sort of just in passing.
• 36:21
  I was watching this the first time going well.
• 36:23
  Where is he with all these dollies and smash mirrors?
• 36:25
  Yeah, what sort of hospital has got dollies, smash mirrors and
• 36:30
  old TV's in a scary old room? I mean, that shot of his, his
• 36:35
  face in all of those smashed bits of mirror, that's
• 36:37
  beautiful. This for me, this may be the one
• 36:40
  misstep of the whole thing. That thing where he's bellowing,
• 36:43
  who am I? It's.
• 36:45
  Because he doesn't go, who am I? He goes, who am I?
• 36:48
  Yeah, that's true. Well.
• 36:49
  Because he's a bit embarrassed, isn't it?
• 36:51
  He can't quite commit. Oh, look at all that come round
• 36:54
  Eric Roberts's face. It's dribbling out of his mouth,
• 36:58
  isn't it? I was going to suggest my daddy
• 37:04
  should listen to this. I don't think I will mention it.
• 37:07
  To him. So shot of the bridge in San
• 37:09
  Francisco there to tell us we're in San Francisco a very hilly up
• 37:13
  and down kind of place as opposed to the rather flat
• 37:16
  topography that we we get to see in this story.
• 37:19
  So never mind. Just to prove we're not in TV
• 37:23
  anymore, I think we get 2 minutes now or so without any
• 37:26
  dialogue whatsoever. It's all told through pictures.
• 37:28
  We go through three different characters and where they are at
• 37:31
  this point. Tom Baker's scarf in a hospital
• 37:33
  for some reason. The music here is fabulous,
• 37:36
  isn't it? Very 90s though.
• 37:40
  And it's the first time as well. Russell stole it so many times.
• 37:43
  It's the first time we did that sort of overhead shot for TARDIS
• 37:46
  and someone going around it as well in a minute.
• 37:50
  What? About.
• 37:50
  Yuji so because I hear that Yuji so was contracted but Daphne
• 37:57
  Ashbrook wasn't for further stories.
• 38:00
  Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know how true that is.
• 38:03
  It's the, it's the sort of thing where I reckon that there was
• 38:07
  probably an option, but I don't know.
• 38:11
  It's, it's bizarre that she wasn't, if she wasn't.
• 38:13
  But then, but then there was also at one point Philip Siegel
• 38:16
  was saying in an interview that he was like, oh, we might
• 38:19
  consider having a different companion every week, which is
• 38:21
  bizarre. There's a lot that's a lot of
• 38:24
  money spending on the companions.
• 38:28
  Still doing the old style costumes, aren't we?
• 38:31
  Like, you know, when Russell brought it back and it was like
• 38:33
  leather jackets and things like that.
• 38:35
  You know why Russell did that? He said he after this aired, he
• 38:39
  went he saw like the head of ITV or something, who knew he was a
• 38:42
  Doctor Who fan. And the guy goes, oh, what did
• 38:44
  you think? And Russell was like, oh, yeah,
• 38:46
  I really liked it. And the gut.
• 38:47
  The head of ITV said it would have worked if they were if they
• 38:49
  weren't in fancy dress. And he was just like noted.
• 38:54
  I mean, it's not a bad point, but he's on so many of those
• 38:56
  covers now. I've sort of got used to it.
• 38:58
  Yeah, Roberts has been working out.
• 39:01
  He's been to the gym, hasn't he? Incredible God he's got going on
• 39:06
  there. He needs the duck doctor's body.
• 39:13
  BMR used to quote this to each other all the time over bloody
• 39:16
  zooms. Come back to bed.
• 39:19
  Master. So.
• 39:21
  Terrible. So he's killed his own wife.
• 39:25
  Yeah. A lot, a lot of men have that
• 39:29
  fantasy. Eric Roberts has managed to live
• 39:32
  it out. We better warn her you're about
• 39:34
  to get married. I'm not going to kill my wife.
• 39:39
  She would kill me. So Alfay, soon I will have all
• 39:44
  your lives. He says mourn Dr. Doesn't he so
• 39:48
  mourn Dr. Soon? It's like mourn as in like mourn
• 39:51
  for it. Or is the mourning?
• 39:54
  I don't think the second coming happens.
• 39:56
  It's it's great. You think he's going to go to a
• 39:58
  better hospital? Oh dear.
• 40:01
  Hey stop by psychiatrist. Where you could.
• 40:03
  Pick up some more mind altering drugs.
• 40:06
  It's. Funny though, isn't it?
• 40:07
  It's a funny like. Is it?
• 40:09
  No. The later on when they're back
• 40:11
  and forth in the dialogue is fab.
• 40:16
  Yeah, there you go. Look, can't you see Scully going
• 40:19
  off to do her latest on top? Absolutely, Absolutely.
• 40:22
  And there's Wild Bill Hickok with no shoes, so.
• 40:27
  What was his hair actually like? He was.
• 40:30
  Short he was, he had like #4 I think and, and the, the wig,
• 40:37
  there's more than one wig, right?
• 40:38
  Because you've got like a straight haired wig in a few
• 40:41
  shots time. You've got this curly thing
• 40:42
  going on. Sometimes it's, it's just some
• 40:45
  kind of like a horse. I don't know.
• 40:48
  It's there should be a box set about the wig to be honest.
• 40:52
  Oh my God, these close-ups of people.
• 40:55
  It's designed to make you feel disorientated and slightly
• 40:58
  nauseous. Or may I say they were very
• 41:01
  successful. Yes, the colour of that hospital
• 41:04
  wall. I wonder if this is about time
• 41:06
  travel. He's just going time, time,
• 41:08
  time. Time.
• 41:10
  I know something about time. Time.
• 41:12
  Many, many clocks. Yeah.
• 41:14
  Nah. Who's this man?
• 41:17
  He's only in one scene, isn't he?
• 41:19
  No. Isn't he not in?
• 41:19
  He doesn't he watch from a bus. Yeah.
• 41:22
  Surgery. He's a laser man.
• 41:23
  He's some kind of director. I think he's one of the money
• 41:26
  men the Penny Pinchers encounters.
• 41:28
  She must be on 6 figures. There's no way she's walking out
• 41:31
  of this hospital, right? Well she's probably walking out
• 41:35
  with a pretty good pay off. They don't.
• 41:38
  They don't mention it but I imagine she's getting probably
• 41:41
  100 large upfront. She's probably had a lot of
• 41:43
  offers from other hospitals. As well.
• 41:45
  Yeah, Oh yeah, it. Must stink in that room now that
• 41:48
  he's burnt that plastic X-ray. Indeed.
• 41:51
  Yeah, and those 12 film canisters of some old 60s BBC
• 41:55
  show he had in a desk burnt them as well.
• 41:58
  I mean. Are them?
• 42:00
  Can you think of many other first stories for a companion
• 42:05
  where they are as well formed as this?
• 42:08
  I'm ready for the adventure. I can think of a handful, but
• 42:11
  not many. I think you know because of
• 42:16
  this. After this it became the
• 42:19
  convention. But before this, no.
• 42:21
  It was like random person walks in the TARDIS.
• 42:24
  Do you have a name? Yes, I do.
• 42:26
  Great. Let's have an adventure.
• 42:28
  There was not a lot of fleshing out.
• 42:29
  What do we know about Dodo? She has an interchangeable
• 42:33
  accent. Yeah, she has an aunt who
• 42:36
  doesn't care about her, and that's about it.
• 42:38
  Yeah, it's not, It's not what you call a 360° portrait, is it?
• 42:44
  She's definitely the first person to say you come with me
• 42:47
  at the end of the story, isn't she?
• 42:50
  Also, but even like, what do you actually know about Ian and
• 42:54
  Barbara? They're great, but like, I all I
• 42:59
  know about them is they had a job in a school and they get
• 43:02
  the, the, the mystery's good. That gets them in there.
• 43:04
  And then these. But like, what do their parents
• 43:07
  do? Are they still alive?
• 43:08
  Do they have brothers and sisters?
• 43:09
  How did they get into teaching? Those wilderness books before?
• 43:13
  Are they are they going to be ofsteaded out of the profession
• 43:16
  or are they quite good teachers? Is Ian going for head of head of
• 43:20
  year? Maybe are they shagging that
• 43:22
  kind of thing? You.
• 43:23
  Know do they love asbestos poisoning?
• 43:25
  Yeah. I think it was a really savvy
• 43:28
  move as well to have her be such a strong character.
• 43:31
  And he's quite gentle. Like, I know he has to shower a
• 43:33
  bit and things like that, but in terms of who's dominating in
• 43:37
  that relationship, it's not him. Well, that's very different from
• 43:41
  classic Who, right? It's always the Doctor and then
• 43:44
  just the companion. This is more Grace's story than
• 43:46
  the Doctors. Well, I feel like maybe this is
• 43:49
  an extension of where the 7th Doctor and Ace were going, you
• 43:53
  know, because Ace was very much the kind of testosterone figure.
• 43:57
  Yeah. But, you know, Sylvester was
• 44:00
  very much, you know, standing elegantly in the background
• 44:03
  doing something devious and clever, but very gentle and
• 44:06
  Placid. And Ace was running around
• 44:08
  blowing things up and shooting people.
• 44:10
  Meanwhile, we've got we've got him pulling out the the pro
• 44:13
  camera. Yeah.
• 44:15
  I don't like that, yeah, but it's really gross.
• 44:18
  I don't like. It it's done to my wig, it's a
• 44:21
  little different drive. Get out of here and then a car
• 44:25
  just comes out and goes hey for no reason.
• 44:28
  I wonder, I wonder how many times they had to film that and
• 44:32
  how many how because that, you know, turning around in a car
• 44:35
  park at that speed, that's quite impressive.
• 44:38
  I wouldn't want to be having to do that and delivering dialogue
• 44:41
  as well. Seeing Eric Roberts like that, I
• 44:44
  ever want to sing Terminator music or Guns and Roses from
• 44:49
  Terminator 20. Yes, please.
• 44:53
  Yeah, that was the worst Axel Rose impression.
• 44:55
  I've ever heard you're welcome. Oh, he just peeled off his.
• 45:01
  Nail. So he was supposed to decompose.
• 45:04
  More over the course of the film, but apparently Eric
• 45:06
  Roberts had an allergic reaction to the makeup that they were
• 45:09
  putting on. Oh, they did.
• 45:10
  Yeah. So.
• 45:11
  He was going to look. He wasn't.
• 45:12
  Quite the deadly assassin master, But he was.
• 45:15
  He was going to rot, kind of. Thing.
• 45:17
  Yeah, exactly. That would have been.
• 45:18
  Brilliant do. You.
• 45:19
  Imagine it's Eric Roberts just. Didn't want to not look pretty.
• 45:23
  I mean, possibly, yeah. Do do we think it's right not to
• 45:26
  have a monster in this? Oh, that the.
• 45:29
  Snake. I think it would have been.
• 45:31
  More impactful if it had had something like the Daleks in it
• 45:36
  or some kind of new alien menace.
• 45:40
  Just having another human humanoid villain maybe isn't
• 45:44
  going to get you 10 million viewers every week.
• 45:48
  I don't know. This is a nice house, isn't it?
• 45:50
  She's earning a good, good money.
• 45:52
  Mind you, it could be Is it? Brian's house or?
• 45:55
  Is Brian sleeping around hers? He's taking the sofa so.
• 46:00
  This. Is is this the first time we've
• 46:01
  ever been in her companion's house as well You're.
• 46:05
  Getting a bit obsessed. With this, Dylan, are you going
• 46:07
  to be heading up to a knicker drawer in a minute?
• 46:11
  I think it is. We did go to the.
• 46:13
  Star liner. So technically we've been in
• 46:15
  Adric's house. Yeah, Fair, fair.
• 46:17
  So. As they came in just now, there
• 46:19
  was a little line of dialogue cut, the doctor says in the
• 46:23
  slightly longer version. I've never seen San Francisco
• 46:26
  when it was inhabited. There we go.
• 46:30
  And. We're going to, we're going to
• 46:32
  have a bit of. Dubbed things here because they
• 46:34
  got it wrong, he says. His math says I have.
• 46:38
  I have 12 lives, but he says 13. The way he moves her hand.
• 46:42
  Across so she can get the double heartbeat mad.
• 46:45
  The chemistry between them is just there, isn't it and I don't
• 46:49
  know why, but he just looks so sexy in that wig.
• 46:52
  I don't know it's it's that sort of Jane Austen Mr. Darcy thing,
• 46:55
  isn't it? He's just beautiful.
• 46:59
  Like, no offense to the. Other doctors, but they, they
• 47:03
  made a choice with this. That's like, if we're trying to
• 47:05
  sell it to America, it needs to be a suave, handsome English
• 47:08
  gent. It can't be, no offence,
• 47:11
  Sylvester Mcoy, but it can't be Sylvester Mcoy or even Tom
• 47:13
  Baker. You know, it's, it's so funny.
• 47:16
  It's wasn't it that RTD saw? This loved this and then put the
• 47:19
  romance in series 1 and 2 like immediately.
• 47:24
  Maybe, maybe we needed this stepping stone to get from
• 47:26
  Classic, you say immediately. It was.
• 47:29
  Almost 10 years, but I. Think it's there's not romance?
• 47:33
  Romance here there's oh, she's. Squatting.
• 47:38
  I remember when I was a kid, I was like, oh.
• 47:39
  My God, someone said crap in Doctor Who.
• 47:42
  Whatever next? I am a.
• 47:47
  Doctor. Oh yes, you.
• 47:49
  Are Oh, we love you, Grace. What?
• 47:53
  The fuck is going on with the riots?
• 47:56
  Yeah, it's bizarre. Like.
• 47:59
  We need like. The that's the only.
• 48:00
  Thing left to do with the 8th Doctor a big finish is do a box
• 48:04
  set with Grace and Chang Lee. They've been forced to bring her
• 48:08
  back as. Somebody else again to have had
• 48:10
  something out this year, haven't they?
• 48:13
  Oh, that. Line Don't be sad, Grace.
• 48:14
  You do amazing things. This is something that appears.
• 48:18
  In the early books, comics and audios.
• 48:22
  But is lost that thing that the 8th Doctor knows a bit about
• 48:26
  certain people's futures. I really like it.
• 48:28
  I think it's quite an interesting an interesting take.
• 48:31
  Well, it's funny as well when she.
• 48:32
  Says, oh, I don't want to know. Brian comes back.
• 48:35
  Don't tell me. I don't.
• 48:40
  Understand why she's. Going out, I mean, I I do, but
• 48:43
  she shouldn't be going out with someone as dismal as Brian,
• 48:46
  Matt, Michael. When we talked about this
• 48:48
  Donkeys years ago said that should have been the first we
• 48:52
  saw inside the TARDIS, that it would have such an impact if
• 48:56
  that was the first time I saw it.
• 48:57
  Yeah, totally. And it looks so.
• 48:59
  Good, I know. And I can't believe I'm going to
• 49:01
  say this, but I. Wouldn't lose McCoy painting
• 49:04
  malfunction the. Master.
• 49:06
  You put it towards the end as a. Flashback.
• 49:09
  Wouldn't that be? Odd.
• 49:11
  No, because the the whole. Thing is, the mystery is who is
• 49:14
  the Doctor? How did the Master end up here?
• 49:16
  It actually makes more sense if you have it as a reveal at the
• 49:19
  end rather than the beginning. You go, Oh well, he's one of my
• 49:22
  people and some complete lunatic.
• 49:25
  Has made this console room you know he's got a Instagram
• 49:28
  account beautiful pictures of it and there's and there's a guy
• 49:32
  in. America who owns the original
• 49:33
  console literally was got a tip off that they were emptying the
• 49:37
  skip out and he managed to get the original in America did you
• 49:43
  say? Yeah, and he takes it around
• 49:44
  conventions. Ian, are you available to give?
• 49:47
  Me a suck job or something to get that console?
• 49:50
  I mean, I could offer him £50. I don't know that I'd go much
• 49:53
  better than that, but yeah, leave it with me.
• 49:55
  Leave it with this. This is.
• 49:57
  Suggestive, right? Changley and the master.
• 50:00
  I'm not it's I know it's me, but it's there.
• 50:04
  Look, it's a. It's not.
• 50:05
  Just a sexy time for the Doctor. The way he uses the leather
• 50:10
  glove he sort. Of patched his face, you know,
• 50:12
  he seduces him with wealth and power, Yeah.
• 50:17
  And then there's a deleted scene.
• 50:19
  Where they're just rimming for half an hour.
• 50:22
  Oh, please have. You got it.
• 50:23
  I told you to watch the. Worker, dammit.
• 50:27
  Is it in? I'm not sure even I.
• 50:31
  Want to see? Eric.
• 50:31
  Roberts rimming the tongue work. Yeah.
• 50:36
  But like I feel with Doctor Who. Villas, you either get actors
• 50:39
  are willing to just go there and others are on and Eric Roberts
• 50:42
  just he just gives into it, doesn't he?
• 50:46
  Yeah, I've not really listened. To any of his.
• 50:48
  Return at Big Finish. How does he fare there, Joe?
• 50:51
  So funny. I mean he.
• 50:53
  Reminds me of Angela Bruce, every line that comes out of his
• 50:56
  mouth is so badly acted it's just heaven to listen to.
• 51:02
  Except for that dark Gallifrey. While I couldn't understand a
• 51:05
  fucking thing that was going on in that 10 God.
• 51:09
  We're about to have the scene, aren't?
• 51:10
  We these shoes, they fit perfectly.
• 51:14
  A meteor storm. This sky above us was dancing
• 51:17
  with lights. Oh my God.
• 51:19
  We're in love. How much did we love?
• 51:21
  The 8th Doctor watching this film back in the 90s absolutely.
• 51:25
  Now there was a. Thing at the time where
• 51:27
  everybody goes, oh, he's like an updated Tom Baker, but I don't
• 51:30
  think that's true. It's just because Tom was seen
• 51:33
  as the ultimate doctor. But like he's not he's not like
• 51:36
  any of them. He's he's the first of like a
• 51:39
  new breed. There's more.
• 51:41
  He's got more in common with 10 and to Matt Smith than he and
• 51:43
  Jodie than he has with Tom Baker and John Perkley.
• 51:47
  There is a reason why. They did the Charlie's in love
• 51:50
  with the 8th Doctor stuff. There's a reason why in the
• 51:53
  books they kept going to the romance angle because no Doctor
• 51:56
  had captured that sort of romantic spirit before.
• 51:58
  He's he's the first person they. Cast who is like objectively,
• 52:02
  visually attractive, maybe Peter Davis and certainly, certainly
• 52:07
  the the earlier Doctors were cast for being good actors of
• 52:10
  being household names rather than like John Pertwee.
• 52:13
  You wouldn't, would you? But but David.
• 52:16
  Davison's not a romantic character, and he's not great
• 52:19
  sexily. He's not a sexy show, however.
• 52:22
  You know there's a brilliant moment.
• 52:24
  In Vampire Science, the second novel from the 8th Doctor range,
• 52:28
  where the the character in it, Kramer goes, do you know how
• 52:32
  dangerous you are now? And she's taught, and it's not
• 52:35
  about about the allure of him being this attractive person
• 52:39
  talking to young women and offering them all of time and
• 52:42
  space she has to explain to. Him that he used to look like
• 52:46
  Sylvester McCoy. You have a different impact on
• 52:51
  people now, yeah. I love this speaking.
• 52:56
  Through the roundels. Yeah, I didn't forget the
• 52:58
  roundels. Did you see the bit as well
• 53:00
  where Daphne Ashbrook looks straight out the camera like the
• 53:03
  bloody Looney Tunes when the dogs were running off?
• 53:06
  Yeah. It shouldn't work.
• 53:09
  But it works none. Of it should.
• 53:10
  I mean, it's so. Different from everything we've
• 53:12
  had before. I just think it's so
• 53:14
  entertaining. 1,000,000 bucks only a million.
• 53:19
  OK 2 million think bigger. OK, I'll.
• 53:23
  Stop. Where does this master?
• 53:27
  Rank for you. That's a good one.
• 53:31
  He's. Fairly low, but only because
• 53:33
  he's only got 1 proper appearance.
• 53:36
  I think had he done more he'd probably be higher up.
• 53:39
  But I think Missy's my number one.
• 53:45
  I think it's Missy, Sasha, Dewan.
• 53:47
  Oh, he's better. Than Missy Missy.
• 53:50
  Doesn't go. I always dread it's let.
• 53:56
  Me think. It's it's Missy, then it's
• 53:59
  Ainley, then it's Eric for me Madness it's.
• 54:03
  Sasha. And then it's Delgado.
• 54:08
  And then it's Eric, probably for.
• 54:09
  Me nobody mentions. Anthony Ainley, did anyone?
• 54:14
  Mention Ainley. I did.
• 54:15
  Oh, he's in. My top three.
• 54:19
  All of this. Now you pulled the.
• 54:21
  Sword from the Stone Boom and this is another.
• 54:24
  Thing. Doctor Who fans got mad about
• 54:26
  wasn't it that well, I mean of Harmony was in the.
• 54:28
  Tardis. So this is a link to.
• 54:31
  The Eye of Harmony, which is on Gallifrey, and this is where the
• 54:34
  TARDIS gets his power from. So in RTD's first stab at Doctor
• 54:40
  Who, where Gallifrey's been destroyed in the Time War, the
• 54:43
  TARDIS wouldn't have any energy unless the Doctor's like filling
• 54:46
  it up on four-star we see the Eye of Harmony.
• 54:49
  In Journey to the centre of the TARDIS as well.
• 54:52
  Oh, and Boomtown, do you remember she tore open.
• 54:54
  The Tardis console and the light all came out, but it's I'm sure
• 54:57
  it's called the. Eye of Harmony in Journey to the
• 55:00
  Centre of the Tardis, but I just haven't seen that.
• 55:02
  For 4000. Years because life is too short
• 55:04
  I. Yeah, there's something about
• 55:06
  that series that just doesn't invite repeated viewing, but
• 55:11
  it's like. It's this is the problem with
• 55:13
  Doctor. Who fans, right, is they feel
• 55:15
  like once it's in one story, that's it.
• 55:17
  It's a fact. It's in the program guide and it
• 55:19
  can't be changed, altered or anything like that.
• 55:21
  I like it when they just go well, actually this part of the
• 55:25
  TARDIS, it's got its own. I have harmony in it, yeah, and
• 55:28
  why not? And.
• 55:29
  It looks fucking cool, you know, Looks like a giant Easter egg.
• 55:32
  Opening up to reveal the twigs, there's a very funny.
• 55:36
  Scene in the very last EDA where the AF Doctor goes into this
• 55:41
  room. It turns out he's been having
• 55:43
  chats with the Master in that ball entire book run.
• 55:48
  Which is basically the same idea.
• 55:50
  As the vault from season 10, right?
• 55:53
  That sort of thing, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:54
  Oh. Grace.
• 55:55
  Chris Chris is as a seduction technique.
• 55:58
  I know who I am. I'm a Time Lord from Gallifrey.
• 56:01
  We've all used that. Yeah, that's true.
• 56:02
  Yeah. OK.
• 56:04
  That's great, Ian, do it again. Flashbacks.
• 56:09
  God, you can hear. Look.
• 56:10
  You can hear the rage, the collective rage of fandom, the
• 56:14
  twitching, the. Twitching virginal fan going no,
• 56:18
  I want nothing to do with women. I want Doctor Who.
• 56:22
  Now we see McCoy. Here at one point there was a
• 56:26
  conversation about throwing in some of the other doctors as
• 56:28
  well, but it did not materialise for whatever reason they really
• 56:33
  didn't want. McCoy in this the BBC did they?
• 56:35
  I saw those memos where they were going.
• 56:38
  He is the reason it was cancelled and we don't want him
• 56:43
  associated with this. And was it Siegel?
• 56:45
  Someone insisted. Yeah, Siegel pushed for it.
• 56:48
  But. They, they were like, if we've
• 56:49
  got to have anyone, we should have Tom Baker, which
• 56:52
  essentially would have tried to work your way out of that one.
• 56:55
  Well, no, I think that what it would have.
• 56:57
  Done is almost decanonised this film because they it would have
• 57:02
  gone. Oh well, nothing in the 80s
• 57:03
  counted and I don't think people would have stood for it.
• 57:05
  And remember there was there was this conversation after this
• 57:10
  movie for years and years and years about whether the TV movie
• 57:13
  and Paul Mcgahn counted. It wasn't until human nature
• 57:16
  was. It when he was in the book where
• 57:17
  he was properly canonised in Queer as Folk.
• 57:21
  Written by Russell T Davis, the there's a Doctor Who fan and he
• 57:24
  says Paul Mcgahn doesn't count. Like I'm not saying that's
• 57:27
  Russell's view or was, it's just he's just building a character.
• 57:30
  But talking of Cannon. Guys.
• 57:34
  Ian, I'm going to ask you this question.
• 57:36
  The Doctor is half human. What do you think?
• 57:41
  I think it's like. You said a few moments ago that
• 57:44
  once some things presented once some people choose to assume
• 57:50
  that believe it's like law and it's a fact, and other people
• 57:54
  can just be like, yeah, no, not even that.
• 57:55
  That's nonsense. That's what the.
• 57:59
  Fear is, though, Bell. And Vinda, Layla and whoever
• 58:04
  it's. It's.
• 58:05
  It is. Law, it's law from the Leakley
• 58:07
  Bible and from the other drafts of this, like the other
• 58:11
  versions, the other pilots, they wrote that this reboot where the
• 58:15
  Doctor was on the quest for looking for his father Ulysses,
• 58:19
  who married an Earth woman and sent the Doctor back to
• 58:21
  Gallifrey. So it's it's a law that they're
• 58:24
  obviously because I think they thought, OK, we're not going to
• 58:26
  tell that story first, but we'll tell it at some point during a
• 58:30
  series. So it's just it's.
• 58:31
  Setting up. Something we never get.
• 58:33
  There's a Now we're trying to reconcile he's.
• 58:35
  Half human, but he's a timeless child.
• 58:38
  He's not even from Gallifrey, Kate Orman and John Blumrath.
• 58:42
  They write an amazing A Doctor Called Unnatural History where
• 58:46
  his timeline is rewritten throughout the entire book and
• 58:49
  at one point it's half human and another point he's like the
• 58:52
  Timeless child. And it's like.
• 58:54
  Well, it's whatever we've done to him today.
• 58:56
  They're all true and just go with it.
• 58:59
  It's got to contradict itself, this stuff, and who cares?
• 59:03
  Yeah, You can't have something that's been going for. 65 years
• 59:06
  with a million writers behind it, different producers and
• 59:09
  expect it to be the next 20 minutes of.
• 59:12
  This movie. Are just heaven.
• 59:14
  It's the two of them off having adventures now.
• 59:17
  Indie Institute in a minute. It's just so funny.
• 59:20
  This is a sort of peek into what we could have had going forward,
• 59:23
  I think. The wigs doing something else
• 59:29
  now it's. Oh yeah, it looks like it's been
• 59:31
  raining. He's gone a bit, Liam.
• 59:32
  Gallagher in in. 90. Seven, we can sit down, have a
• 59:35
  cup of tea, we can talk about it.
• 59:37
  Reasonably sure a time not to Earthling.
• 59:41
  Sit down, have a. Cup of tea we can talk about.
• 59:43
  It take your trousers off. Why does he walk through the
• 59:46
  window now? Because he can.
• 59:48
  Because the the like. Everything's being.
• 59:50
  Disrupted by the Eye of harmony being Yeah sucks so being sucked
• 59:54
  the. World out molecularly.
• 59:56
  Breaking down, he says. By by midnight tonight.
• 59:59
  Tonight, this planet didn't. Side out that was.
• 1:00:03
  Part of the trailer, wasn't it? Yeah.
• 1:00:05
  Probably hang on midnight tonight.
• 1:00:07
  This. If you could walk through
• 1:00:09
  windows. Can't you walk through people?
• 1:00:11
  And brick walls. And it's not all molecules, it's
• 1:00:14
  just some. And he's noticed that this
• 1:00:16
  window is looking at this one window.
• 1:00:18
  He's like, oh, that's. That's useful.
• 1:00:21
  Unfortunately, I've got to make. This point and that windows.
• 1:00:24
  Wibbling OK, Doctor. Doctor, doctor, come.
• 1:00:30
  On she needs an ambulance. And Ian, yeah.
• 1:00:38
  You know. Regenerating and.
• 1:00:40
  Sucking the earth inside out. Yeah, that's a great way to lose
• 1:00:44
  weight, you know? Is it?
• 1:00:46
  That's what I'm hearing. Hang on man, Get sucking.
• 1:00:50
  All right. Oh dear.
• 1:00:56
  Mark love these two. You know the two newsreaders in
• 1:00:58
  Hawaii. It has actually started snowing,
• 1:01:02
  she goes. That's West.
• 1:01:04
  Trinity Wells at this. Point is, she still maybe a
• 1:01:07
  junior production assistant or something.
• 1:01:09
  You don't know this because it wasn't made in the 90s.
• 1:01:11
  But she actually turned up in every Doctor Who 90s story that
• 1:01:14
  news reader commenting on, on the bizarre things that were
• 1:01:18
  happening. It started.
• 1:01:21
  Snowing on the. Scarrow.
• 1:01:26
  Oh, this is some torrid invasion.
• 1:01:28
  Fleet heading to the Mutter spiral.
• 1:01:31
  That's right. And after the break I found.
• 1:01:33
  A new way to do with fish Cut his head off.
• 1:01:38
  Yeah. Chop his head off.
• 1:01:40
  Oh. Beginning of San Francisco mean
• 1:01:42
  time the most accurate atomic. Clock in the world, apparently.
• 1:01:49
  So that means we've got a scientific institute.
• 1:01:51
  We've got a head too, right? Definitely got to go there.
• 1:01:54
  Going all Perkway now. Yeah.
• 1:01:57
  Excellent. I bet there's a mad scientist.
• 1:01:59
  Doing something naughty? Oh boy, look who's at the door.
• 1:02:03
  It's Robert Patrick. Oh my God.
• 1:02:08
  Oh no, I can't reel off all the lines.
• 1:02:11
  In the ambulance in a minute. But God does she kiss as good as
• 1:02:14
  you as well as you. Freud had a name for that.
• 1:02:20
  Transfer. Oh, you know.
• 1:02:22
  Him. Oh, I know it all, yeah.
• 1:02:27
  Would we, would we like to see Matthew?
• 1:02:28
  Jacobs have another. Star but a Doctor Who episode?
• 1:02:32
  Well, you've done it for a previous.
• 1:02:33
  Episode of two Opera. TV.
• 1:02:35
  No, absolutely. But would would you like to?
• 1:02:37
  See him do something for telly. I'd love to see him do a Doctor
• 1:02:41
  Who. Story that's just coming from
• 1:02:45
  him. He's not been given a shopping
• 1:02:46
  list. He's not being told he's got to
• 1:02:48
  incorporate this or justify that or wreck on this.
• 1:02:52
  Just do whatever you want because the way he writes the
• 1:02:55
  dialogue and the characters is so they're so attractive.
• 1:02:59
  They're so they're so much fun to spend time with that I think
• 1:03:03
  he could do a really wonderful Doctor Who.
• 1:03:06
  It's the key to this, right? Is that the?
• 1:03:09
  It is funny and the characters are enjoyable to be with so many
• 1:03:12
  Doctor Who's have died on the fact that they're, you know,
• 1:03:15
  worthy and dull. Exactly.
• 1:03:19
  Planet of Evil, for example, those chickens, my God, they're
• 1:03:24
  all off to the chlorine factory. It's also.
• 1:03:28
  Little touches like. You wouldn't have got that in
• 1:03:31
  classic Doctor Who necessarily. That sung.
• 1:03:33
  OK, there's what is the crash, the roads blocked.
• 1:03:36
  You'd be stuck inside the vehicle the whole time.
• 1:03:38
  And they go, no, it's a bunch of chickens all over the road.
• 1:03:40
  Yeah, yeah. Right, let's skip sequence with
• 1:03:45
  the copper. Now I'll shoot myself.
• 1:03:47
  It's just heaven. This for me is is the, you know,
• 1:03:50
  this is. The best bit of 8th Doctor we
• 1:03:52
  got and this is the best bit of the best bit.
• 1:03:55
  That sequence blooming, although are you pleased?
• 1:03:58
  Have you ever seen the? Outtakes the bit where everyone
• 1:04:01
  here around the crash goes give him the gun.
• 1:04:04
  They cut that bit out, thank God.
• 1:04:11
  Stop. He's British.
• 1:04:13
  He's. British.
• 1:04:15
  It's true. I'm.
• 1:04:16
  Always. I'm always about to get shot.
• 1:04:18
  And someone has to do the same for me.
• 1:04:20
  Fucking Jelly babies for God's. Sakes, they've been in that.
• 1:04:25
  Pocket for at least 4. Regenerations.
• 1:04:27
  They're not going to be fresh Jelly babies.
• 1:04:29
  They're going to be quite. They aren't even his.
• 1:04:32
  They've got to be the. Jelly babies of the guy who was
• 1:04:35
  going to dress up as Wild Bill Hickok because he hasn't seen
• 1:04:37
  anywhere to get him. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:04:39
  He's not wearing like a A. Time Nord coat from space that
• 1:04:42
  has dimensionally transcendental pockets.
• 1:04:45
  The slight hysteria in. Daphne's voice when she goes.
• 1:04:48
  All right, give him the keys. Yeah.
• 1:04:52
  Yeah. She would have been great for a
• 1:04:55
  run, wouldn't? She.
• 1:04:56
  Absolutely, I could see these. Guys, probably with Chang Lee as
• 1:05:00
  well. Yeah, yeah, totally getting 20.
• 1:05:02
  4 episodes on Fox. I mean, I imagine a historical.
• 1:05:06
  With this sort of. Budget.
• 1:05:07
  It would be incredible. The thing is, a series wouldn't
• 1:05:10
  have had this sort of budget. Would it?
• 1:05:12
  This is the pilot episode for 90 minutes.
• 1:05:15
  Yeah, you. Remember that £18 million dig
• 1:05:20
  space? Nine episode I was telling you
• 1:05:21
  about to recoup costs for the rest of the season.
• 1:05:24
  They never left the station. It was so expensive.
• 1:05:29
  Oh fuck this chase sequence. I.
• 1:05:39
  Didn't think I was ever going to see anything.
• 1:05:41
  More exciting than this in Doctor Who and I'm not sure I
• 1:05:43
  have What about the episode 3 Planet of the?
• 1:05:46
  Spiders. The Tramp.
• 1:05:49
  Being run over by the hover crowd.
• 1:05:52
  It's the. Editing when you know when the
• 1:05:54
  bike. Goes between the two, yeah, but
• 1:05:57
  they're there. Woo fucking hell.
• 1:06:00
  Imagine trying to be the. Stuntman and Keep.
• 1:06:02
  That absolutely straight, knowing that you've got very
• 1:06:05
  little wiggle room. Chang Lee is not a bad driver,
• 1:06:08
  is he? No.
• 1:06:10
  He's a gang member, he's quite. Good, he's.
• 1:06:12
  Had a few escapes from the police I.
• 1:06:14
  Imagine. He probably went on to working
• 1:06:16
  maybe. As a driver in IndyCar, who
• 1:06:19
  knows, there are many ways you could say the words this.
• 1:06:22
  Is an ambulance. But Eric Roberts, man, this is
• 1:06:27
  an ambulance. Cry.
• 1:06:32
  Do we remember the build? Up to.
• 1:06:34
  This whole thing happening and the excitement or lack of,
• 1:06:38
  perhaps yes, because Doctor Who Magazine had nothing to.
• 1:06:40
  Talk about for 10 years. And so they just said anything,
• 1:06:44
  anything. I would say they.
• 1:06:45
  Doubled down on it if anything. But I remember all the TV
• 1:06:48
  trailers, there was one that was like the Eurovision and it ended
• 1:06:52
  with Gina G and then it was. And then at 9:00, he's back and
• 1:06:55
  it's about time. And just those, you know, the
• 1:06:59
  like, like Joe was sort of picking out shots that he
• 1:07:02
  remembered from the trailers, from the adverts.
• 1:07:04
  It was so exciting for me. But you know, I can't imagine.
• 1:07:08
  Anyone. Not wanting to watch it, I'm
• 1:07:11
  aware that there are people out there who you know, sadly are
• 1:07:14
  not of most of America. Unfortunately, doesn't.
• 1:07:17
  Sure. Yeah, well, they were watching.
• 1:07:19
  Roseanne on the other side, isn't it?
• 1:07:21
  UK It was. Every bit a hit as.
• 1:07:24
  Rose was. Right, yeah, 99.96 or something.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, they wanted more I. Think bank holiday.
• 1:07:31
  Monday. BBC wanted more.
• 1:07:33
  Didn't they? They just didn't pay.
• 1:07:34
  For it, yeah, yeah. Echoes.
• 1:07:38
  Of echoes of for. Now, oh, there's another.
• 1:07:42
  One from the trailer I finally. Meet the right guy and he's from
• 1:07:45
  another planet. They do look very.
• 1:07:48
  Mulder and Scully. Don't they?
• 1:07:50
  I know he's got longer hair, but it's Mulder and Scully.
• 1:07:53
  They thought, all right, let's, let's key into the the zeitgeist
• 1:07:56
  of the 90s. We want a dark haired man who's
• 1:07:59
  quite nice to look at and a red haired lady who's a Doctor Who's
• 1:08:03
  quite nice to look at. And he's the he's the eternal
• 1:08:06
  sort. Of believer and she's so
• 1:08:09
  sceptical of everything. I think it's got potential.
• 1:08:14
  Yeah, they are at the Institute of.
• 1:08:15
  Scientific research. I believe that is where the most
• 1:08:19
  accurate timepiece of all time is situated.
• 1:08:24
  This is quite a. Posh well attended.
• 1:08:27
  Gathering to see a clock getting turned on isn't it?
• 1:08:30
  It's also so many extras like. You don't.
• 1:08:32
  You didn't see extras like this in Doctor Who back then or or
• 1:08:35
  now, really. We did it earlier.
• 1:08:37
  Do you remember that crowd cheering in the pirate planet
• 1:08:39
  of? Fire people, Yeah.
• 1:08:46
  Yeah, they're flaunting. Actually, that looks like a.
• 1:08:48
  Nice dude, doesn't it? That does, I imagine.
• 1:08:51
  Probably this. Was like the last night of
• 1:08:53
  shooting and then they had the wrap party in here straight away
• 1:08:56
  and probably catering I imagine Probably the balloon budget must
• 1:09:00
  have gone through the roof. Oh, now let here we go behind
• 1:09:04
  the scenes. Oh, it's the.
• 1:09:05
  Clock There it is, the world's most.
• 1:09:09
  Rubbish looking clock. Where's the thing for this with
• 1:09:14
  with the bit that? Tells the.
• 1:09:15
  Time. Why is that not this?
• 1:09:19
  I couldn't believe this Dick. Joke about little things?
• 1:09:22
  Yeah, they say that on my planet, too.
• 1:09:25
  Yeah, fortunately I'm packing. Serious.
• 1:09:28
  Meat. Oh no, he's talking in Doctor
• 1:09:33
  Who. Programme guide again.
• 1:09:37
  Oh I love. Professor Wag, he's coming.
• 1:09:39
  Up now, yeah. Hello little cheeky man Grace.
• 1:09:42
  Says that you have a big. Secret.
• 1:09:45
  What is it? My penis.
• 1:09:48
  It's. Half human.
• 1:09:54
  Oh, I've watched Grace now when she's offered the wine of the.
• 1:09:57
  Champagne. And she goes, oh, it's so.
• 1:10:01
  Great. I love, I love the.
• 1:10:05
  The Doctor's. Little.
• 1:10:07
  Hoobie Doobie here and he takes off the the ID from Professor
• 1:10:11
  Wag. I'm half human on my mother
• 1:10:14
  side. I feel like this was sort.
• 1:10:16
  Of heavy in Russells mind. You know when he did RTD one,
• 1:10:19
  why didn't he watch it again before we did RTD 2 to entertain
• 1:10:25
  us? Yeah, it was.
• 1:10:27
  Too busy doing copious. Amounts of cocaine.
• 1:10:29
  I imagine. Oh, fair enough.
• 1:10:30
  I mean, I don't really care. About the story here.
• 1:10:33
  They're running around having a great time, being witty and
• 1:10:35
  sexy. It's perfect.
• 1:10:37
  Doctor Who. You can.
• 1:10:38
  You can. Turn the sound down for 10
• 1:10:39
  minutes to talk to your wife or whatever and still follow it
• 1:10:43
  perfectly. Which is just the sound on then
• 1:10:45
  I haven't at all. No, I'm I'm soundless.
• 1:10:48
  But a beryllium atomic clock? Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:10:53
  What is that? That he's taken out.
• 1:10:54
  Of it, it's a, it's a Mac Guffin, yeah.
• 1:10:58
  One of those is. It is it as ridiculously
• 1:11:01
  implausible as like the? TARDIS has run out of Zytan 7.
• 1:11:04
  However, we have landed on the one planet that makes Zytan 7.
• 1:11:09
  What are they fits with? Classic.
• 1:11:10
  Code then oh this. Fella Gareth, right, he also did
• 1:11:13
  one of Toby's. He did the inferno happy times
• 1:11:17
  and places and you know, you sort of send in videos of your
• 1:11:20
  favorite things from each episode.
• 1:11:21
  You dressed up as the Brigadier with the scar.
• 1:11:24
  You dressed up as a prime odds. He's a Doctor Who geek, you
• 1:11:28
  know. Oh bless.
• 1:11:31
  Answer the second. Question the first.
• 1:11:33
  Me look easier, but answer the second question now I'm going to
• 1:11:37
  ask you fellows about. Bakaki now, because in a moment
• 1:11:41
  we're going to see a load of people covered in slime and
• 1:11:46
  stuff. Is that the sort of thing?
• 1:11:48
  Is that what it is? Well, if you Google it, you'll.
• 1:11:52
  Find out. You're right, I'd rather you
• 1:11:55
  just. Explained.
• 1:11:57
  It's. It's not.
• 1:11:58
  Too dissimilar. No.
• 1:12:00
  So there is a cut scene. Oh, these men are literally
• 1:12:03
  covered in it. Where?
• 1:12:04
  You see the master and Changli. Encounter those guys, but you
• 1:12:08
  don't actually see him shoot the cum all over them, so it's a bit
• 1:12:12
  confusing, isn't it? It's like they're down there,
• 1:12:15
  we're up here and I think it was simply cut for timing reasons.
• 1:12:19
  Which is a bit unfortunate. I don't.
• 1:12:21
  Yeah, but that's a timing malfunction.
• 1:12:23
  Was it Dylan? No.
• 1:12:24
  It might have been, Yeah. Oh, we're.
• 1:12:26
  Going full on. Indiana Jones now.
• 1:12:30
  Well, sorry, we're in different places, you and me.
• 1:12:32
  No. It's the same.
• 1:12:34
  It's. The same thing.
• 1:12:36
  Down on the the. The fire.
• 1:12:38
  Hose onto the motorbike? Oh no, it's onto a car.
• 1:12:43
  It's onto a police car, isn't? It, yeah, but it's.
• 1:12:45
  Very Hollywood. There's music.
• 1:12:46
  It's like. That's the slowest descent I've
• 1:12:53
  ever seen. Yeah, it should have just gone
• 1:12:56
  broke. Their legs, I can't believe
• 1:12:58
  they've gone to the effort in that scene where they're.
• 1:13:00
  Inside to see that man Hoover in and they've hired someone to
• 1:13:03
  Hoover. They've had a special.
• 1:13:06
  Hoover Wrangler, who was. Working with the Hoover in the
• 1:13:09
  green room before the film the scene.
• 1:13:11
  Do you work well with props? Good with Henry?
• 1:13:16
  Now they're doctor and companion now, aren't they?
• 1:13:18
  It's. There, back on the bike.
• 1:13:21
  Would you guys? Want to know what the future
• 1:13:23
  holds? Yeah, I think I'm, I'm, I'm.
• 1:13:27
  Curious, I think I would. You're assuming Oscars are
• 1:13:30
  ahead. For you, Dylan and Ian, you're
• 1:13:33
  going to release a fabulous series of tones.
• 1:13:37
  Witty. Most you know, the best read
• 1:13:41
  writer since JK Rowling. Oops.
• 1:13:43
  Well, that was I did. I did Winter Hill maybe 10 years
• 1:13:47
  ago, so my my life's work is over.
• 1:13:50
  I'm just on borrowed time now and I kind of don't want to know
• 1:13:53
  how little I've got left. So I ain't going to die next
• 1:13:56
  week with a podcast mic. In my hand, you know.
• 1:13:59
  Well, you. You will.
• 1:14:00
  Try and shove it in places where it's not supposed to go.
• 1:14:03
  Joe, I've told you about this. We've all tried to wipe it.
• 1:14:07
  Good God. This microphone.
• 1:14:10
  It fits perfectly. This visual gag of the.
• 1:14:14
  Policemen going into the Tardis. It's brilliant, it's lovely,
• 1:14:17
  it's long. Overdue.
• 1:14:19
  And we've had it, you know not. Quite this gag.
• 1:14:21
  But we've had motorbikes and various things shoot in and out
• 1:14:24
  of the TARDIS since since then. Yeah.
• 1:14:27
  Well, tell you what though, you couldn't get a car through.
• 1:14:28
  It. You.
• 1:14:30
  Well, there's some EDA writers, yes.
• 1:14:34
  That's that's a Michael Collier. Joke.
• 1:14:37
  Do you know Moffy have Clara Oswald?
• 1:14:39
  Drive a motorbike into the target the last time the three
• 1:14:42
  of us met up. We we basically specialized,
• 1:14:46
  don't we in. Covering episodes where people
• 1:14:48
  drive motorbikes into the charges.
• 1:14:51
  There's only two though, right? If.
• 1:14:52
  It happens again, the batch signal will go up.
• 1:14:55
  We need to do the Adidas Lantern then we've done all three.
• 1:14:58
  That's one coming out, yeah. Oh, now this I don't.
• 1:15:02
  Like this is. Very Clara Oswald What?
• 1:15:04
  She walks into the TARDIS and knows all of the spatial
• 1:15:08
  discrepancy. But isn't that because that's
• 1:15:11
  because the? Masters like.
• 1:15:15
  Venom is. Overtaking her?
• 1:15:16
  I thought she was just being sarcastic.
• 1:15:18
  And going along with her and and.
• 1:15:20
  But didn't really believe a word of it.
• 1:15:22
  I did think her black contacts were very.
• 1:15:24
  Scary when I was younger. She does a good evil smile.
• 1:15:31
  OK, so could somebody please sort of explain the?
• 1:15:33
  End of the film to me then. So the the TARDIS eye is open,
• 1:15:38
  so it's sucking off the world. Yeah.
• 1:15:40
  And the Master has taken the Doctor's lives.
• 1:15:43
  Yeah, and she. Reverses it.
• 1:15:46
  She reverses the polarity. Of the neutron flow essentially
• 1:15:49
  presses a big red button. Big, big.
• 1:15:51
  Big big red reset button. OK.
• 1:15:54
  OK, at least I don't try and. Pretend it's clever.
• 1:15:59
  Is there a little like? Thermos.
• 1:16:01
  Yeah. Is that, Oh, a little little
• 1:16:03
  blue glass flask. I wonder what was in that.
• 1:16:08
  Oh, this is great. Look, they're already in.
• 1:16:09
  The arguing married couple phase.
• 1:16:12
  You must have to go back. You must.
• 1:16:15
  What about Gareth? Me.
• 1:16:16
  The city. So for God's sweet, shut up.
• 1:16:20
  Sweet, sweet, sweet. Greece.
• 1:16:22
  Greece. Greece.
• 1:16:22
  Greece. Greece.
• 1:16:25
  Is he Welsh? Yeah.
• 1:16:27
  Do you know who I think he the the biggest parallel to?
• 1:16:29
  Classic who Directors Jeffrey Sachs is Michael Ferguson.
• 1:16:32
  He's always shooting through things, isn't he?
• 1:16:35
  He's always trying to make it look as interesting as possible
• 1:16:39
  and he does a great. Job.
• 1:16:41
  There's so much. Energy in the direction of this?
• 1:16:44
  Is there anyone in the new series that's?
• 1:16:46
  Come as good as this direction. Maybe Rachel Talley?
• 1:16:51
  I think Jamie Magda. Stone as well as a fantastic
• 1:16:55
  director, you know, they asked him to do Rose.
• 1:16:58
  Jeffrey Sachs and he said no. He he was busy.
• 1:17:02
  Or something like that, but. They asked Edgar Wright, they
• 1:17:04
  asked Joe Cornish, they asked Jeffrey Sachs, and they ended up
• 1:17:07
  with Keith MO Well at. Least he was fourth choice.
• 1:17:15
  I'm sure there are. Others, yeah.
• 1:17:17
  They asked. They asked.
• 1:17:18
  Me. I hadn't even Yeah directed.
• 1:17:21
  I would have loved to have seen that, Ian.
• 1:17:23
  Oh, isn't the rest of the story Paul McGowan in Manacles?
• 1:17:27
  Yeah, it's it's a bit Clockwork Orange.
• 1:17:29
  And those things when you go to the optician, they.
• 1:17:31
  Force your eyes open when you read out the letters.
• 1:17:34
  He has to wear a big pair of those.
• 1:17:36
  We've got to watch Clockwork Orange because it's on Mark's
• 1:17:38
  poster. Of 100 films you've got to
• 1:17:40
  watch. It's so scary, that movie.
• 1:17:42
  It's a great film, though. Oh boy, it's not it's.
• 1:17:44
  Not scary. It frightened the life out of
• 1:17:46
  me. I've not done.
• 1:17:47
  Drugs. Since, Oh no, I'm thinking of
• 1:17:50
  another movie, what am I thinking of?
• 1:17:51
  Ghostbusters 2, I imagine. Thinking Requiem for a dream for
• 1:17:55
  fuck. Oh no, that was that was.
• 1:17:57
  Upsetting. That's a very depressing film,
• 1:18:00
  yeah. How did I get from there to?
• 1:18:02
  There, it's a tough. Wank, but it can be done.
• 1:18:05
  Look, always. Dress.
• 1:18:08
  For the occasion, he looks so fucking gorgeous in that he
• 1:18:12
  does. I like the redesigned time.
• 1:18:14
  Lord collars as well. Look, yeah.
• 1:18:16
  Do you like it a bit smaller in that respect?
• 1:18:18
  Do you think it? I know it's ridiculous, but it
• 1:18:21
  looks more natural. Weirdly, yeah.
• 1:18:26
  Dylan, can you wear? That for your wedding please.
• 1:18:30
  Come down the stairs. Like.
• 1:18:31
  That oh. God, oh, I'll be your.
• 1:18:34
  Racing Child. All right, and.
• 1:18:39
  Then I'll be cut. Bakaki the crowd.
• 1:18:41
  Oh wonderful. What a night.
• 1:18:46
  Yeah, I have no. Idea what's happening now he's.
• 1:18:49
  Planning to steal the gang Suddenly looks ginger.
• 1:18:51
  Yeah. And Daphne Ashbrook.
• 1:18:53
  Looks demonic. Look at how I've never really
• 1:18:56
  noticed that harmony, but if you're more coming towards.
• 1:18:59
  You with that equipment looking like that I would assume?
• 1:19:04
  I was having that. That dream again, what the hell
• 1:19:08
  what's happening here? We've.
• 1:19:09
  Suddenly gone into a. Costume party we were talking
• 1:19:11
  about earlier, Elvis. Dancing with the.
• 1:19:13
  The Prince Regent from Blackadder 3 shot of the moon
• 1:19:17
  woman looking straight out. The cameras How does a tie dye a
• 1:19:21
  balloon? Because it doesn't have to be
• 1:19:23
  this stylistic. But they they've just gone to
• 1:19:27
  everything has been thought about and considered and just
• 1:19:29
  made it the best version of it can possibly be.
• 1:19:32
  So that guy we just saw in the sheet.
• 1:19:34
  He was going to be dressed as Wild Bill Hickok, but his
• 1:19:37
  costume got stolen. I think that was a detail from
• 1:19:39
  the novelisation maybe, but I think they've realised.
• 1:19:44
  As well as as called witty and enjoyable as this is, the part
• 1:19:47
  is a bit of a dog. And so they've just said direct
• 1:19:52
  the hell out of it. People will love it.
• 1:19:54
  And we do. Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Just make it fun, make it fast. Moving and and the plot is just
• 1:19:59
  something that you got to have. But really it's all about the
• 1:20:02
  the charisma of the leads. There was too many execs from
• 1:20:06
  my. Understanding in terms of not
• 1:20:08
  just the casting, but in terms of the plot that they just could
• 1:20:10
  not agree on anything. Talking of RTD two, yeah.
• 1:20:15
  Oh yeah, quite. Oh, this is.
• 1:20:17
  Great. What do you mean it doesn't work
• 1:20:19
  about the? Clock and the scientist goes
• 1:20:23
  it's fucked mate. Oh God, we've only got 2 minutes
• 1:20:26
  and the world is doomed. Oh no.
• 1:20:29
  Oh shit fellas, this has been. On for an hour, it's flown by.
• 1:20:33
  It really. Has it always did It always does
• 1:20:36
  it? Always will.
• 1:20:38
  Oh, she let you really take a breath, does it?
• 1:20:40
  I. Really fancy her with the black
• 1:20:42
  contact lenses. I don't.
• 1:20:43
  Fancy Eric Roberts actually looking like a snake?
• 1:20:49
  Yeah. Oh, we're all just, we're all
• 1:20:50
  just looking. We're all just sitting there
• 1:20:52
  thinking where? Can I get someone to make me
• 1:20:54
  that? Costume that Eric Roberts is
• 1:20:55
  wearing. I'm on that.
• 1:20:57
  I'm on that in my In My Love play wardrobe.
• 1:21:00
  Did you did you see this this. Sorry.
• 1:21:03
  The Eye of Harmony room it was. They released a photo of it in
• 1:21:07
  the Radio Times beforehand. And I just remember thinking,
• 1:21:10
  that's the TARDIS, This is going to be the best thing ever
• 1:21:14
  because it was just, your instincts are always so right,
• 1:21:16
  Dylan. You know, good grief.
• 1:21:21
  I mean, I would have come back and said we're not.
• 1:21:22
  Doing it, we're not doing rows unless we recreate this console.
• 1:21:26
  I do wonder if the reason so. Much of it is set.
• 1:21:29
  In the TARDIS is because it was a very expensive set, I would
• 1:21:34
  assume so, yeah, it's like we've really got to.
• 1:21:37
  Amortize the shit out of this. Probably 24 episodes would have
• 1:21:40
  all been set in the TARDIS. It does make those new.
• 1:21:45
  Series Tardises look very small. Though, doesn't it?
• 1:21:48
  Even now and then we do get a big.
• 1:21:50
  TARDIS, There's no, there's no, that's it.
• 1:21:53
  There's no personality to it. Not like this.
• 1:21:56
  But then the other side of it is like, you know, when the TARDIS?
• 1:21:59
  Does all wobbly action and is flying through space and is hit
• 1:22:03
  by something. Those books on the shelves in
• 1:22:05
  here would be flying around all the time in an armchair.
• 1:22:09
  I don't think Grace just gave consent then to have all that.
• 1:22:12
  Slime sucked out of her mouth. No, but sometimes when it takes
• 1:22:16
  you in the moment, you're just going to go with us.
• 1:22:18
  Oh, remember that, Dylan. All right.
• 1:22:22
  He's that costume. He's.
• 1:22:24
  Sort of. Unconsciously kind of making me
• 1:22:27
  think of the Francis Ford Coppola Dracula.
• 1:22:31
  You know, there is a there is a sort of coded villainy.
• 1:22:35
  It's the Reds, isn't it? It's Reds.
• 1:22:36
  It's blacks. It's the flappy.
• 1:22:38
  Diaphanous. Flow of the thing.
• 1:22:40
  I mean, he does look a bit more cadaverous now, doesn't?
• 1:22:43
  He he does, he does. And he also looks a lot, a lot
• 1:22:47
  more the. Master and a lot less Bruce.
• 1:22:49
  And it's not it's, it's a facial thing.
• 1:22:51
  It's an acting thing. He's sort of more alive the more
• 1:22:55
  dead his body becomes. It's it's quite a subtle,
• 1:22:59
  nuanced performance from Eric Roberts.
• 1:23:01
  I've never said that before. Well, he's too, for a given.
• 1:23:06
  Value of subtle, you know we get.
• 1:23:08
  Like, I mean, it's edited to hell in a minute, right?
• 1:23:10
  This whole sequence now, TARDIS, electric, going everywhere, back
• 1:23:14
  to the party, the Doctor's lives being taken.
• 1:23:17
  Yes, it's very confusing, but I will forgive it.
• 1:23:20
  Anything for the jokes that are in there.
• 1:23:22
  The bit when Grace rips out all the wires and goes, oh God, what
• 1:23:26
  have I done? Like she doesn't know what she's
• 1:23:29
  doing. That's great.
• 1:23:31
  It is lovely. Doctor No, he's not really a bit
• 1:23:37
  like a tenant finale. It doesn't really get much to
• 1:23:39
  do, does he? No and Grace saves today and
• 1:23:42
  this was another reason. Why people had an issue with?
• 1:23:44
  It she thought surgery was difficult, but there we go.
• 1:23:48
  I like all the stuff of the masters, sort of.
• 1:23:50
  Phasing. Like face phasing in and out of
• 1:23:54
  morphing and reality it's. Very cool and.
• 1:23:57
  Explosions all over the console. Yeah, those sparks, man.
• 1:24:00
  I mean, that's given me classic. Who that?
• 1:24:02
  Little sparks coming off. Oh come on, Grace, this cat's
• 1:24:06
  cradle. But you can do.
• 1:24:07
  It 30 seconds. Who doesn't love a good
• 1:24:11
  countdown and. We sort of know all these
• 1:24:15
  people. Now we sort of care about them a
• 1:24:17
  little. Bit right.
• 1:24:17
  We were laughing with him earlier, the CGI for Eric
• 1:24:22
  Roberts sort of taking the Doctor's lives.
• 1:24:24
  That has not aged too well though.
• 1:24:25
  I said no, but it's a cool idea. Yeah, I mean, I'm enjoying it
• 1:24:31
  and it's visually striking. Still in a way that me is that
• 1:24:35
  we hit the deadline. And the world does get ripped
• 1:24:38
  apart, and then it gets unripped apart.
• 1:24:41
  Yeah, they reverse it. They reverse the polarity of the
• 1:24:43
  neutron floja. Oh God, my head's spinning.
• 1:24:48
  Just but. I don't really.
• 1:24:52
  Understand it because if the planet was destroyed, it would
• 1:24:54
  always be destroyed. So there'd be no Doctor Who
• 1:24:57
  stories after the Millennium. It's undestroyed.
• 1:25:02
  Undestroyed. Probably something to do with
• 1:25:04
  the Millennium. Bug right?
• 1:25:06
  I have seen many new series episodes with worse.
• 1:25:09
  Climaxes than this exactly. Oh God, I'm alive.
• 1:25:16
  Did you say subtle, William? I did say for.
• 1:25:20
  A given value of subtle. That's Eric Roberts.
• 1:25:22
  Subtle. By God.
• 1:25:24
  Man, there's so many clocks on the screen.
• 1:25:29
  I like. That Tardis thinking Oh.
• 1:25:31
  I know what to do, but you know what you get now?
• 1:25:35
  You get a. Really.
• 1:25:37
  Violent fight between the Doctor and the Master.
• 1:25:39
  And I don't think we've ever seen that.
• 1:25:41
  Or maybe the end of getting there at the end of survival.
• 1:25:44
  Yeah. But this is like, you know.
• 1:25:46
  They're younger, they're they've both lost a bit of timber.
• 1:25:49
  They can really grapple like men.
• 1:25:51
  It's not like the Sea Devils, you know, when they were just
• 1:25:53
  having that sword fight and he was eating a.
• 1:25:54
  Sandwich. Sandwich.
• 1:25:56
  Yeah, it really feels like he. Wants to murder the fucker,
• 1:25:59
  yeah. It's a fight for the death,
• 1:26:01
  isn't it, He? Grabs that big pole and it
• 1:26:04
  smashes everywhere. Yeah, right.
• 1:26:07
  Stonehenge gone. Moscow.
• 1:26:09
  Gone the Houses of Parliament. Gone Statue of Liberty our.
• 1:26:11
  Favorite characters from murder in the film Gone?
• 1:26:14
  Gareth gone, Professor. Wag No Oh.
• 1:26:18
  Oh dear, Oh dear. Oh.
• 1:26:20
  Straight into the title. Sequence.
• 1:26:21
  Yeah, normally there's more of a.
• 1:26:25
  An uplifting ending. They've decided to go with a
• 1:26:28
  dark Your life force is dying. OK, they're just making this.
• 1:26:32
  Shit up now. The plan didn't work because I
• 1:26:36
  blinked and my eyes. Were upside.
• 1:26:37
  Down. Can you do the no Ian, which one
• 1:26:41
  I. I can't remember if Eric Roberts
• 1:26:43
  just. Going no.
• 1:26:46
  I I can't do it because I'm so. Hungover.
• 1:26:50
  I can't guarantee what would happen if I if I gave that
• 1:26:53
  deeply. I do.
• 1:26:55
  What's the Temple orbit? We don't know.
• 1:26:57
  I do. Like the masters line in a
• 1:26:58
  minute where he goes like life. Is wasted on the living.
• 1:27:02
  Yeah, it's the sort of thing I'm.
• 1:27:05
  Pretty sure Judge Death used to say that quite a lot.
• 1:27:09
  Oh Grace. Oh you bugger.
• 1:27:13
  I'm I'm. Gonna have you fella.
• 1:27:15
  Hair you. Apart making me wear this metal
• 1:27:19
  waist coat from Cyber Woman you've left me.
• 1:27:23
  Out on the climax of the. Movie, OH.
• 1:27:25
  Look at that shot now of him. Woo fuck, that's proper nasty.
• 1:27:30
  Yeah, you are my. Life he's tried being.
• 1:27:32
  Clever, He's tried to steal his. Lives.
• 1:27:35
  Now it's just about bludgeoning him to death.
• 1:27:38
  Mcgahn's line is very camp, though.
• 1:27:40
  He goes. You want dominion.
• 1:27:41
  Over the living all you do is kill.
• 1:27:44
  If I could have one prop from. This.
• 1:27:47
  It'd be one of those Staffs, I think, with Raxel on, on.
• 1:27:51
  Oh no, I'd have Eric Roberts costume, Yeah.
• 1:27:54
  For sure. I'd love to wear that down the
• 1:27:56
  High Street. I bet it's still.
• 1:27:59
  Smell of success? Oh my, what's going on now?
• 1:28:04
  It's all done with mirrors. You know it.
• 1:28:06
  It turns out the master can be defeated if you shine a.
• 1:28:09
  Torch in his face. Oh, he's being sucked right off
• 1:28:15
  now. I like I.
• 1:28:16
  Like the doctor sort of extended her hand, but it was.
• 1:28:19
  Very clear. How does, Yeah.
• 1:28:21
  It's like if you could just get a little bit closer, yeah.
• 1:28:27
  We've got to get him chlorine at the.
• 1:28:28
  Air. No.
• 1:28:32
  God, I had an option. Oh my, there's a reason.
• 1:28:38
  We keep coming back to the master.
• 1:28:39
  Though, right? Because.
• 1:28:40
  He's so much fun, he really is. He can be just looking.
• 1:28:45
  At Mcgann's wig now, because you can kind.
• 1:28:47
  Of see the. It's a temporal orbit, chaps.
• 1:28:51
  It's. It's the time.
• 1:28:52
  It's the time. You're orbiting in, so like just
• 1:28:57
  the now, yeah. Yeah, how does that work?
• 1:29:01
  In plot terms here, then it's. Like they pause the TARDIS and
• 1:29:05
  the Earth. Just at the moment of its
• 1:29:07
  destruction, yeah. Is that right?
• 1:29:13
  Tie me why? Me.
• 1:29:14
  Look, I'm not Matthew Jacobs asking.
• 1:29:16
  Yeah, No. Do you know?
• 1:29:17
  What did you watch that Doctor Who?
• 1:29:19
  Am I? You see those fucking American
• 1:29:23
  fans? Patronising the hell out of him.
• 1:29:25
  On that side of those guys, they should be ashamed of themselves,
• 1:29:28
  though. That was shameful.
• 1:29:29
  To watch that. And then I loved it though when
• 1:29:32
  he went into the actual. Convention and they put.
• 1:29:34
  Up gunfires so he could see his dad on the on the screen.
• 1:29:38
  But yeah, those American fans were just cunts to him.
• 1:29:42
  But then that was kind of the story you wanted to tell.
• 1:29:44
  I'm sure he had lots of. Interviews with nice fans that
• 1:29:47
  he decided not to Nan the magic regeneration dust comes and
• 1:29:51
  brings everybody back to life. People hated this at the time.
• 1:29:53
  Regenergy all the fucking time now doesn't it?
• 1:29:56
  Yeah. So do we blame Matthew Jacobs
• 1:29:59
  for it? Happening once.
• 1:30:00
  Or R2D for it happening multiple times.
• 1:30:02
  I don't blame anybody. I think Doctor Who in general is
• 1:30:05
  quite a. Positive show and you can't have
• 1:30:07
  people like these dying all the time.
• 1:30:10
  Don't you give me those, Moffett.
• 1:30:12
  Excuses about not killing off. Companions.
• 1:30:15
  I don't know. I'm not sure I'm.
• 1:30:17
  I don't fucking. I'd kill off any of the most
• 1:30:19
  recent companions. I was about to say something so.
• 1:30:23
  Inappropriate. I'm glad I.
• 1:30:25
  Kept it in my mouth. That's what she said before,
• 1:30:29
  yeah. So.
• 1:30:31
  I. Feel.
• 1:30:32
  I feel like we've. We've kind of.
• 1:30:34
  Earned Daphne Ashbrook as a companion, but as a viewer at
• 1:30:38
  this point, I'm thinking Chan Lee's.
• 1:30:40
  Chen Lee's story's done. I don't need him to be an
• 1:30:43
  ongoing companion. No, I yeah, I agree.
• 1:30:47
  Oh, we don't really. Know much about him apart?
• 1:30:49
  From me filling with a bad lot, Yeah.
• 1:30:51
  No, I think, I think he'd be a bit of a like.
• 1:30:54
  Adric or a Turlo. Not in the sense that he's a
• 1:30:56
  cunt, but in the sense that you get into all sorts of mischief
• 1:31:00
  wherever they went. He could be the The Artful
• 1:31:02
  Dodger in Space character. That ADRIC was supposed to be,
• 1:31:05
  but genuinely streetwise as well, yeah.
• 1:31:08
  So quite not afraid to like get into a bit of a.
• 1:31:11
  Scrape. Yeah, and I would really want if
• 1:31:14
  they were going on. I would want.
• 1:31:16
  This to be a will they won't they romance which were the
• 1:31:20
  height of popularity in the 90s Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:31:23
  Yeah. And when they finally do?
• 1:31:25
  Fuck, we're about right. Cancel the show.
• 1:31:27
  This whenever they get together is terrible.
• 1:31:31
  Well, what could happen is he could buy.
• 1:31:33
  Generate and. The 8th Doctor's weird split off
• 1:31:37
  version could go live with them. Although I will say.
• 1:31:41
  That like the end. Of Last of the Time Lords when
• 1:31:44
  Martha makes this choice, Grace deciding to no, I don't need to
• 1:31:49
  be with you to live my best life because I'm amazing.
• 1:31:53
  You come and live my life. I mean, to be fair all the time
• 1:31:56
  in space or working in a hospital, but I think that's a
• 1:31:59
  great message. You know it's I'm my own person.
• 1:32:02
  I don't need this. She she's a doctor.
• 1:32:06
  She saves lives. There's nothing more important.
• 1:32:09
  He's a doctor. He saves lives.
• 1:32:11
  There's nothing more important. They're both right, Tingles.
• 1:32:14
  Look at this ambassion. Yeah.
• 1:32:16
  Yeah. That's the kind of real.
• 1:32:18
  Ownership moment. He's like, yeah, I am the
• 1:32:20
  fucking doctor. You can argue about me are like
• 1:32:24
  what the hell is that all? About who knows, It turns out
• 1:32:27
  this this spaceship's a bit shit.
• 1:32:30
  Do you notice no matter how many times they do that shot?
• 1:32:33
  Of the man doing the power blower in the fat guy's face.
• 1:32:36
  He still missed times throwing the food no matter how many
• 1:32:39
  times they do it. So the guy in the sheet is
• 1:32:43
  cosplaying. Sylvester McCoy, right?
• 1:32:46
  Obviously, yeah. Can anyone remember where they
• 1:32:51
  were at the actual? Millennium.
• 1:32:54
  Yes. I was at my friend Christopher
• 1:32:56
  Wagstaff's house party. OK.
• 1:32:58
  I was in Gdansk at a. Party in a villa with a bunch of
• 1:33:03
  Polish people? That sounds better than being in
• 1:33:06
  a house party. In Halesowen, just outside of
• 1:33:09
  Birmingham, I was at a nightclub in France.
• 1:33:14
  In the very quaint town of Alby in a swimming pool, 2000.
• 1:33:21
  It was a great club. It was a great night.
• 1:33:26
  Yeah, all the clubs. Everywhere but England are the
• 1:33:28
  best all. The English clubs are terrible,
• 1:33:33
  so here we are the. Doctor's got his paper bag back.
• 1:33:35
  So he's, you know, he's got his Sonic, probably some more Jelly
• 1:33:40
  dust. I don't.
• 1:33:41
  Think we'll be seeing Cyberman then?
• 1:33:42
  It's on. So yeah, that's never going to
• 1:33:44
  happen. They weren't called Cybermen,
• 1:33:46
  were there they? Were called cybes.
• 1:33:48
  In their version. Sipes.
• 1:33:52
  God. You know what?
• 1:33:53
  Look at their. Hair, it's so wet.
• 1:33:55
  Isn't. It they remember Ian, we're in
• 1:33:57
  Vancouver. Yeah.
• 1:33:58
  Yeah, yeah. Just saying Ian, if we'd have
• 1:34:04
  gone on to our series, we could have been in.
• 1:34:05
  Those woots, if we have a story, I'd love that.
• 1:34:09
  They could have. They could.
• 1:34:10
  Have accidentally met Malta and Pascali coming out of the
• 1:34:12
  bushes. It's perfect.
• 1:34:14
  Well, you remember that shitty old story.
• 1:34:16
  About classic Who, where they were both in the same quarry.
• 1:34:18
  Doctor Who and Blake 7. You could have the same story
• 1:34:21
  with Doctor Who and The X-Files. Yeah, the Sentient.
• 1:34:25
  Fungus Grace. It's.
• 1:34:27
  Being. Investigated by those FBI agents
• 1:34:29
  over there. Let's listen to it the TV.
• 1:34:32
  Movie. And X-Files was.
• 1:34:34
  Both fox so in they could have been on the same lot at the same
• 1:34:37
  time in theatre right yeah, let's say that happened and
• 1:34:41
  they. Met in the canteen, yeah.
• 1:34:44
  Oh my God. You know that thing in Coupling
• 1:34:47
  where you you have a fantasy about two really attractive
• 1:34:50
  celebrities getting it on and it's like, wow, So you see, you
• 1:34:55
  got McGann and you got Anderson. Wow.
• 1:34:59
  Imagine the children. Mcganderson.
• 1:35:02
  Mcganderson. Oh my.
• 1:35:04
  God, do any of you? Remember the end of the One
• 1:35:06
  Doctor audio play? So it's the comedy one that's
• 1:35:10
  quite early, Colin. And Bonnie.
• 1:35:12
  And Roberts and Hick Hickson, well they wanted to do a piss
• 1:35:16
  take of the TV movie at the end, so it ends with the Doctor
• 1:35:19
  snogging Sally Ann whilst fireworks are going off all
• 1:35:24
  around them. It's incredible.
• 1:35:26
  Perfect. I mean, I just think that scene
• 1:35:27
  is. Just.
• 1:35:28
  Blissful. The way it's shot, the way it's
• 1:35:30
  acted, the way it's written. That's beautiful.
• 1:35:33
  And it does leave you alone in. For more it.
• 1:35:36
  Does. Oh, he's off he goes.
• 1:35:39
  Off a vertical take off. He's flying.
• 1:35:41
  On what is? It Samson and Samson.
• 1:35:44
  And. Gemma, Yeah, or Sam?
• 1:35:47
  Jones, if you there we was thinking that.
• 1:35:49
  He was going off to meet Charlie Pollard until.
• 1:35:51
  We listened to Terra Foma. You think he's seconds away from
• 1:35:55
  meeting a Vortis? Or, but no, you thought only
• 1:36:00
  Moffett could jam. An ear her in out of.
• 1:36:01
  Nowhere but Joe Lister got there first.
• 1:36:04
  Yeah, but whatever happened to? Gemma.
• 1:36:08
  Gemma is. Oh yeah, they died.
• 1:36:11
  Horribly, that's the wilderness she is for you.
• 1:36:15
  Yep, and now he's thinking I'm. Just going to have nine years
• 1:36:18
  reading this book. Before I regenerate again, is he
• 1:36:21
  trying to read Millennium rights like I am?
• 1:36:23
  I think that's going to take me. Nine years.
• 1:36:26
  I literally could. Spend the rest of my life in
• 1:36:29
  that tallest. Console room quite happily.
• 1:36:32
  What a wonderful bit of Docky. Who?
• 1:36:35
  I mean, it's sort of it's like a mad back alley.
• 1:36:38
  Now. Isn't it but just a heavenly 1?
• 1:36:41
  Now, obviously this airs and it doesn't go.
• 1:36:44
  To series, but it doesn't not. Go to series straight away for
• 1:36:47
  about a year. Universal extend their rights by
• 1:36:51
  their option for another six months.
• 1:36:53
  So there is a possibility it's going to carry on and they're
• 1:36:56
  looking at various ways to happen.
• 1:36:59
  What about ways for it to happen?
• 1:37:00
  It doesn't. And at one point, even up to
• 1:37:02
  1998, Philip Siegel's looking at the possibility of using the
• 1:37:06
  rights for the Peter Cushing movies to remake them.
• 1:37:10
  Wow, as as said in the. Paul Hayes's.
• 1:37:14
  Brilliant book. The long game.
• 1:37:16
  There are so many maybes in this.
• 1:37:19
  Era aren't there of what it could have been.
• 1:37:21
  That's why honestly, that's why you've got such a good podcast
• 1:37:24
  like you're too kind. I don't know why.
• 1:37:27
  Why? IPlayer is very.
• 1:37:28
  Eccentric. It's taken.
• 1:37:29
  Me from the end of the TV movie and skipped straight to the
• 1:37:32
  middle of the animated Abominable Snowman episode 1.
• 1:37:36
  Mine went into apparently a moment into a poetry.
• 1:37:39
  Very strange. I.
• 1:37:41
  Didn't hang around long enough to find.
• 1:37:43
  Out. Well, let's see.
• 1:37:46
  Indeed. We're all going to poach the
• 1:37:48
  same things now as we do our three fabulous things to
• 1:37:53
  recommend the TV movie. We could do 100 each.
• 1:37:55
  We've only got 3. We'll go Ian, Dylan, me, Ian.
• 1:38:00
  OK. First and foremost, primarily
• 1:38:02
  centre front. And centre Eric Roberts, this is
• 1:38:05
  his finest hour as a as a performer, as an actor.
• 1:38:11
  He looks amazing. He embraces the character, he
• 1:38:14
  embraces the atmosphere of the thing.
• 1:38:16
  He could have been a difficult Hollywood prick and dragged the
• 1:38:20
  production down, but he really leapt into it with both feet.
• 1:38:24
  And I think he's one of the the one of the many very best things
• 1:38:29
  in it. Secondly, I would have John
• 1:38:32
  Debney. I think it was hang on, hang on.
• 1:38:35
  It's Dylan. 'S turn.
• 1:38:36
  Oh, I'm sorry, I've forgotten the format.
• 1:38:38
  Yeah, it was a bit of a while you.
• 1:38:39
  Know I would like. To shout out.
• 1:38:42
  Yiji Yiji so AKA Changley because he doesn't get enough
• 1:38:47
  props, but I think he's a like, he's a good companion for the
• 1:38:52
  master to have and like. The interplay between them is
• 1:38:55
  fun and I think he would have made an interesting addition to
• 1:38:59
  an ongoing series. I want to shout out John
• 1:39:03
  Debney's. Score for this because I think,
• 1:39:06
  I think he just manages to touch practically every genre he does.
• 1:39:09
  A bit of horror, a bit of suspense, a bit of hospital
• 1:39:13
  drama, a bit of sitcom, a bit of comedy, a bit of action
• 1:39:18
  adventure. It's all in there, but it is
• 1:39:22
  some of the most beautiful. I do listen to this score quite
• 1:39:25
  a lot. And that chase, Dun, Dun, Dun.
• 1:39:30
  It's just so propulsive. Yeah.
• 1:39:32
  Fantastic score Ian so rapidly. Changing.
• 1:39:37
  My second choice, I would shine a light on director Geoffrey
• 1:39:43
  Sachs, who, you know, has been doing sitcom for a while.
• 1:39:47
  He's made, you know, sort of news and current affairs stuff,
• 1:39:53
  but my God, he can do drama and he can do pacing and he can
• 1:39:57
  carry you along even though what you're watching doesn't
• 1:40:00
  necessarily add up to a very tall hill of beans.
• 1:40:04
  It's a really fun time watching it, as I think we've we've all
• 1:40:08
  just demonstrated, and that's largely down to Mr. Jeff.
• 1:40:14
  On a similar note, I want to shout out.
• 1:40:17
  Patrick Lucier who was the editor who does a great amount
• 1:40:22
  with the footage is given and I'm sure he worked very closely
• 1:40:25
  with Jeffrey Sachs. But they really, like, make the
• 1:40:29
  best of their coverage and make for an interesting, fast-paced,
• 1:40:32
  exciting Doctor Who story. And I, we don't talk about the
• 1:40:37
  editors enough. And I think this is the first
• 1:40:39
  time you can really talk about the editors properly.
• 1:40:41
  And Doctor Who of like that, that editor helped shape the
• 1:40:45
  pace and the feel and the tone of this film.
• 1:40:47
  He salvages the climax, doesn't he?
• 1:40:50
  Because it doesn't make. Any sense?
• 1:40:51
  And yet you're just so swept away with what's going on.
• 1:40:54
  You're just like, who cares? It's like, it's great stuff.
• 1:40:57
  Well, neither one of you have gone for it yet, so I am
• 1:41:00
  definitely going for R Daphne primarily for the reason that I
• 1:41:06
  utilized her on cameo both to tell Mark I loved him the first
• 1:41:10
  time and secondly asked him to marry me.
• 1:41:14
  Daphne Ashbrook did both of those tasks for me, and they
• 1:41:18
  both worked out rather well. I'm really pleased.
• 1:41:20
  Good old Daphne. But also, it is a funny,
• 1:41:24
  charismatic, genuinely endearing turn.
• 1:41:27
  She's great from her first scene to her last.
• 1:41:29
  We've all been wanting more for the last 30 fucking years, and
• 1:41:33
  we've gone through bloody persuasion in the next life and
• 1:41:36
  what other bullshit Big Finish are bringing out next month just
• 1:41:39
  to spend a bit more time with Daphne.
• 1:41:42
  She's great. She's absolutely wonderful.
• 1:41:44
  Yeah, one of the best one shot companions we ever had.
• 1:41:48
  Absolutely. Oh, it's you again, Ian.
• 1:41:52
  Oh, is it? Oh, sorry, you have to cut that.
• 1:41:54
  Awkward pause. Out he won't well I would like
• 1:41:59
  and I I don't know who's in charge of it if I'd done more
• 1:42:02
  homework and research I'd be better placed to do this but I
• 1:42:05
  think the the VFX for the time for what we'd been used to in
• 1:42:10
  the 80s Doctor Who this was visually such a quantum leap
• 1:42:15
  away from it's it's NW imaging and.
• 1:42:20
  Effects NW imaging and effects we salute.
• 1:42:24
  You indeed and. Philip Siegel.
• 1:42:28
  For trying and trying and trying and getting the thing made.
• 1:42:32
  And, you know, maybe him getting this made may have hindered
• 1:42:35
  other versions of the show from getting off the ground in the
• 1:42:38
  90s, but this gave us Paul McGann, and I don't think I'd
• 1:42:41
  want to change that. I wouldn't no Philip Seagull.
• 1:42:45
  Is directly responsible for giving me.
• 1:42:48
  The 8th Doctor books all right, so I can't possibly criticize
• 1:42:52
  him. My last thing is going to go to
• 1:42:54
  you're all going to think I'm mad.
• 1:42:55
  It's all those subsidiary side comic characters that we meet
• 1:42:59
  throughout this. Curtis, the Mortuary guy, the
• 1:43:02
  fella hoovering and that's a little note for him.
• 1:43:04
  You know, Professor Wag, the scientists, the chickens, the
• 1:43:09
  sign of the policeman, you know, the crowd that didn't get their
• 1:43:13
  line. Give him the gun.
• 1:43:15
  I think if you can feel a story that is kind of got a naff plot
• 1:43:21
  with lots of really funny moments and they've got it.
• 1:43:24
  They've absolutely got it here, and all of them, none of them
• 1:43:28
  have, you know, like characters I'd want to see much more of.
• 1:43:31
  But for their function in this and the fact that they've all
• 1:43:35
  made me laugh means that the tension at the end of the story
• 1:43:38
  where they're all being torn apart actually impacts comedy
• 1:43:43
  side characters. Thumbs up.
• 1:43:44
  World building. All over, isn't it?
• 1:43:47
  It's just. Just makes it a more exciting,
• 1:43:49
  more believable world. Well chaps, thank you very much
• 1:43:53
  for. This trip to San Francisco.
• 1:43:56
  But dare I ask you all? What on earth?
• 1:43:58
  Where are we going next? Do we even know?
• 1:44:00
  Am I just going to make this up now?
• 1:44:02
  We don't know, do we? Haven't got a clue.
• 1:44:06
  Could be anywhere. Into dinner I'll tell you what,
• 1:44:10
  let's just. Assume we're.
• 1:44:11
  Going to have a freeway. Again.
• 1:44:12
  In the future, with our book that's read by all three of us,
• 1:44:16
  yes. And we will reconvene for
• 1:44:21
  another. It's got.
• 1:44:21
  To be another biggie though, like Day of the Doctor, the TV
• 1:44:24
  movie. What?
• 1:44:24
  Why don't we figure out a book to read and then what we can?
• 1:44:27
  Tie in for a commentary. Oh, you know, I've just fought.
• 1:44:31
  Well, that's something like the good.
• 1:44:32
  Doctor and Power of the Doctor. That's the next biggie, right?
• 1:44:36
  Yes, let's do it. I love Power of The.
• 1:44:39
  Doctor. But what 13th Doctor material
• 1:44:41
  was there for your podcast? Oh, there's a.
• 1:44:44
  There's a a. Lady called Jenny Hauser who
• 1:44:48
  writes some comics. Jodie Jodie Hauser.
• 1:44:52
  We will. Have Doogie Hauser.
• 1:44:54
  Doogie Hauser's doctor. There's loads.
• 1:44:56
  Of 13th Doctor. Audios now we're fucking, of
• 1:44:59
  course, and they are so. Good.
• 1:45:01
  Let me just. Say Fabulous as podcasting's
• 1:45:04
  biggest. Big Finish.
• 1:45:06
  Agnostic, they are amazing. Excellent.
• 1:45:10
  Thank you very much for your time.
• 1:45:12
  It has been a. Pleasure.
• 1:45:14
  It's been a hoot. It's been lovely to see you.
• 1:45:17
  Again, Hi, Mark, it's Daphne. Again, Joe wanted me to send you
• 1:45:30
  a very, very, very, very Merry Christmas.
• 1:45:33
  I hope your Christmas was fabulous.
• 1:45:36
  Mine was wonderful. As you can see, we actually had
• 1:45:39
  a white Christmas up here, so it was beautiful and I hope yours
• 1:45:44
  was as well. And so Merry Christmas from Joe.
• 1:45:49
  And there's one last little thing I almost forgot this
• 1:45:53
  little message. Joe loves you so much and your
• 1:46:00
  wonderful. Little life, would you do him
• 1:46:03
  the great honor of being his husband?
• 1:46:07
  Because he can't imagine his life without you?
• 1:46:12
  And now I'm going to cry. So congratulations.
• 1:46:17
  I love you guys, happy. Christmas and have a wonderful
• 1:46:22
  little life together and I'm so honored.
• 1:46:25
  Thank you so much. I love you guys.
• 1:46:28
  Merry Christmas. Congrats.