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Quincy Jones on Michael Jackson, Mase's Take On Dwight Howard & Compromising Your Art - #69 · The Grounded Show

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But yeah, man, we're back. Obviously y'all noticed by now that Quincy
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ain't here. He's been having a long couple of weeks. He traveled for
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some work stuff and he's just kind of playing catch up. So he's not
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here this week, but you know, shout out to Quincy all down the
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Spirit aka Winsy Little Winston Winston. I thought I thought Ronnie was doing that
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on accident, but I guess it's program that's Wincy in his phone or something.
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Yeah, I think he just says it just to add to the crazy
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names we call Quincy, you know what I mean? Like we always got
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like I just started, I don't know, bro, Like ever since we
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was kids, I always like added mad different things to his name and like
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you know, like Quincinator, Quincy Tropolis, like I just I don't know
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why his name. I always did that, and it's just always stuck,
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like it never never ended. When we was younger, I used to always
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hit him with the remember that one that Eminem song, the where he's like,
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I'm just Marshall Mather. Yeah, anytime I will call Quincy, it'll
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be like, because I'm just Quincy Quincy Jamal Mass my dog. Yeah,
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shout out to him. Man. But yeah, man, it's been been
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a fun week. Been real busy. You know, you got some people
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at your house. You know what I'm saying. You had some people at
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his house. It's been it's been a crazy time. The holidays coming up,
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you know, it always gets like that around this time. But yeah,
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everybody want to take vacations during this time of year, for sure.
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Facts Earlier in the week, I found this article that's like Matt Old,
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but for some reason, I've never seen it or read it or anything.
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It was a Vulture article on well actually it was an interview that they did
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with Quincy Jones and they're just talking to him about different stuff or whatever.
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It's from twenty eighteen the article, so it's like the old article, but
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I never read it. I went through it. I still haven't like read
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it ready, but I read most of it. It's a lot of a
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lot of interesting things on there. One of the one of the most interesting
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things that I saw was in the very beginning he kind of said, Michael
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Jackson stole a lot of ideas music. I heard. I was going to
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bring that up. I've heard that's what I was going to bring up and
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that he was really stingy as far as like giving people credit, Like he
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was saying that there was people that had like big hands in certain songs for
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Thriller, and he didn't want to give them credit or he wanted to give
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them little credit, you know what I mean. And that's something as well.
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That's something I hear a lot about artists period, and it's funny coming
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from me because I'm an artist as well, but like I feel like I
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don't really have an ego like that as far as like my artistry goes.
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Like I'm open to I'm open to suggestions, but I'm also aware that there's
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a line where it's like, to a certain point, that's my music,
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you know what I mean. Like if you don't like if you're trying to
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get me over that line, then you're just trying to change my music and
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you don't like my music, which is fine with me. But I'm not
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going to change my music. You know what I'm saying. I wouldn't mind
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making my music better, but I'm not going to change my music, if
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that makes sense, And no, I agree, and you can see why.
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It's also those are kind of decisions that make it successful. Too.
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And then that's one of the things where like it surprised me hearing that about
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Michael Jackson because it's like, I don't know, there's also that other side
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of being great where you're so great that you just don't feel like anybody's on
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your level. And then you kind of know it also, you know,
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because it's like if Michael Jackson was to tell you something's whack or you're not
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on his level technically, is he wrong? Like you know what I'm saying,
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Like even though it's subjective to a certain point, he can speak on
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it. Like that doesn't mean he has to, but he can, you
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know what I mean? Yep, I just and but that's that's that's the
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gift in the curse and artistry. And we kind of talked about it with
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the Vincent Man thing Jerry Jones, and it's when do you get to the
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point where you think like that but you're wrong? Yeah, But the thing
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was for Michael Jackson, he was never wrong, yep. And it's kind
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of like even when you talk about sports figures, when they be like,
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oh, there would be a great coach, and it's like ninety nine percent
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of the times those all time greats are not all time great coaches, you
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know what. A lot of times they don't understand why it's hard for somebody
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to do something that they figured out, you know what I mean. It's
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like it's that understanding of like everybody don't got your work ethic, everybody don't
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got your drive, so you got to meet him with a rat and that
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that's like the hard thing about like juggling different personalities and stuff, because you
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got to treat everybody different but the same, you know what I mean.
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It's a funny little line that you kind of dance on. Yeah, everybody
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different but the same for sure. And one of the things that he said
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in the article that really stuck out to me was what they were kind of
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asking him if he hears the spirit of jazz in the pop music today and
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this is twenty eighteen, so pretty recently, and he was like, no,
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there's there's no there's no spirit pretty much into music because they're going like
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this is the examples he gave, but it was basically saying, going after
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like marketing and commercial success. He's like, when you go after Sarah Vodka
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and fat Farm and all that shit, God walks out of the room.
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I have never in my life made music for money or fame, not even
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Thriller. No way, God walks out of the room where you're thinking about
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money. You could spend a million dollars on the piano part and it won't
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make you a million dollars back. That's just not how it works. And
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that's a great quote. Yeah, I thought it was super profound because it's
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like, that's that's exactly how I feel about music as well. It's like,
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obviously the music gives you a better chance for high quality output, like
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the money gives you that chance. You know, Like if you got a
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lot of money, you're gonna be in a better studio, You're gonna be
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able to get better musicians, you're gonna be able to take your time with
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it a little more. So that inherently makes the music better. But just
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having the money isn't gonna make good music, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, the intent the intent changes everything I think outside looking in, people
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realize the intent and it realize why you're doing. Certainly, we kind of
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just touched on this before we started the show. Some things aren't genuine,
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and so I think you could feel that in music, but probably some of
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the shit that Drake mean, I didn't see the intent. I didn't feel
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the reason for him to make a song like that, And there's still stuff
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I still don't like. And I digested everything well and I like what I
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like, but there's still stuff I really don't like. And I really have
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not dislike his stuff like that until now because I see the intents not there,
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no more the intend to make that songs totally different at this point,
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and I think I've said, look, any people notice that it's big?
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And you know what, something that somebody told me kind of ties into the
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Drake thing and how I feel about Drake because and it's funny and ironic because
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the person that told me this was somebody that I did in jail with trying
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to work with musically. But they were like, whatever type of content you
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do, the type of music, whatever you're doing, period, it's like,
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you gotta be mindful of what you're doing because whatever takes off, that's
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what you gotta do now to continue to make it work. And that always
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stuck with me, and that's always also that's another reason why I also have
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this big thing where I'm like being very meticulous about the kind of content I
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put out because I don't want to make any content that I don't like.
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Slash I'm not comfortable with, because I don't want that to be the thing
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that catches on you know what I mean, Because I'm not going to go
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down that path. Then you're stuck to it exactly. You know. I
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think a lot of a lot of creators deal with similar situations where one of
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their off brand stuff becomes viral, and in order to get that recognition,
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they got to keep making that kind of content. They hate it, and
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it was never their intent to just make that kind of stuff. And then
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you stop making it, and then the crowd stops following you, and the
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people are like, why don't you making this no more? And it's a
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conflict. Bro. Then as an artist, you can't if you really want
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to make good shit, you can't live in that conflict. Damn. I
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got to keep making what they want. I mean, hating an artist and
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I get it. It's tough, man. That's kind of like I was
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saying that to tie it back into the Drake thing. That's how I feel
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about Drake. It's like I can like, I feel like I can tell
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that he is a great artist, and he has it in him to make
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great music because he's made it before, you know what I mean, Like
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in the eyes of the mainstream, he has, and even in my eyes
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that I'm not a fan of his, I still have music of his that
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I really like and that it's like classic for me, you know what I'm
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saying. Actually I did this the other day and I couldn't get like a
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whole screenshot of it, but I pulled up in my phone Drake's songs that
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I have in my library because I was even curious, you know what I
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mean. So like the Drakes songs that I have in my library. And
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when I say Drake songs, I mean a song that's Drake's song, you
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know what I mean, Like he's the main artist, not the feature,
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because I do have a few of his features on my own phone. But
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as far as a song that Drake made, I have the honestly never Mind
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album in my phone. I have from Nothing was the same, I have
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hold on We're Going Home, and the furthest thing from Take Care I got
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hell yeah fucking right, from So Far Gone I got November eighteenth, sooner
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than later, and Bria's interlude So basically like the only stuff I have on
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my phone of his is like the singing stuff, you know what I mean.
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But like the songs that I read to you, those to me are
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classics, bro, Like those are songs that whenever they But you know what,
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find Your Loving is just like hold on, We're going home you.
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I like, Find Your Love, but it's like it's a little too like
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in the moment sound, you know what I mean. Like I liked it
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a lot at the time and right there, and you mastered it bad on
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purpose. I uh nah, I know where you're talking about it. And
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it's funny because I just I felt like it was just if it was like
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a classic classic, Kanye wouldn't have given it to Drake, is what I'm
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saying. You know what I like? It was a fire song, don't
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get me wrong, but I it's not one of those, you know what
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I mean. If it was one of those, Kanye would have kept it.
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Bro. No, but the fact that he mastered that song, and
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that song has the lowest quality of all of the songs an entire album.
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Think about the sound of that song, It's like it was never even mastered.
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I feel like with Kanye was just painfully obvious that he just hated Drake
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as far as the point of view of I'm supposed to be the guy,
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who is this guy coming out of left field? You know what I mean?
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It's the same thing he did to Fifty, Bro, Which is the
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funny part. Kanye came out of left field and Fifty looked at him like,
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Bro, this guy, you know, fifty being shot nine times,
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he got muscles on top of muscles, Bro, he got his crew with
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him, nobody messing with him like he's running the like he's running the street
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stuff like the way the way Fifty was talking, and then the way he
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just skated through like you know, everything, like nobody even touched him.
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Bro. I feel like that's something that's not even talked about enough, because
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any any rapper that talks the way Fifty talks, Bro, not to sound
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crash, but they're dead, bro, like anybody that talks the greasy Like
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the only other one I could probably think of is Gucci Man, but even
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Gucci Man, Bro, Like he had situations, like people came at him,
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he went to jail like fifty, Bro, he didn't have situations like
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he had little things, but it was never him you know what I'm saying,
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there was always somebody around him will get shot or you know, somebody
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around He did take nine shots though, but that was That's what I'm saying
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before like once he got on and was still talking crazy and you already been
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shot nine times and you acting like you bulleted. That's what I'm saying.
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That just he really felt bulletproof, you know. And that's kind of like
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what happened with Kanye, Like Kanye knocked him off his pedestal, and he
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felt the same way fifty did. Like I came on the scene, you
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know, a backpack and a polo, and I ended up being the hottest
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ship. Nobody could tell me nothing. And then Drake comes along and then
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takes you whole shit as far as like all your motion basically, like because
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it's funny, man, Like it goes back to like that mainstream thing that
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we talk about. It is like Drake didn't take anything from Kanye, except
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like the popularity, you know what I'm saying, Like Kanye still has his
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diehards that will buy his music. He still can sell out concerts, he
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still has. Yeah, he was still doing shows that you Yeah, he
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still has on what's it called the the mainstream fans. Also, you know
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what I mean, he just didn't have the impact that Drake had, you
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know what I'm saying. And I felt like it just fucked with him from
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the very beginning, Like he just he probably felt like, Yo, it
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took me so long to get this position, and now this guy from Canada's
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coming here with this like whole manufactured thing, and now you're just gonna knock
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me off. Like I know that had to rub him, you know,
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a certain kind of way. But you know what, we got to get
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to into it. But I do want to say, because we talked less
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about that Drake is, but Kanye it's the same too. No, he
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definitely is, Bro, That's what I'm saying. Like the way he reacted
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to Drake and all the stories that, like the stories that Drake tells about
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Kanye, it tells you how simple he said he gave him to be.
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And the next day he dropped the track scooping deep boop. That's what I'm
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saying, Bro, It's like you're blatantly just as petty, you know what
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I mean. It's just you're you're the thing. I think the thing that
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Kanye don't like bro is like his petty. He don't get looked at as
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cool when he does it, Drake does you know what I mean. It's
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like I said, it's that mainstream appeal that he lost, Like I think
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that's why he went so the other way with it, you know what I'm
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saying. It's like, Okay, people don't fuck with me. I'm gonna
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give you a lot of reasons not to fuck with me, you know what
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I mean. It was like kind of like his rebel against it, you
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know. Yeah, but yeah, man, but those are those are good
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songs on your phone though. Yeah. And it's like and like I said,
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Bro, I don't I don't got again, I don't got nothing.
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I feel like every t I'm i to talk about Drake, I feel like
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Steven A. Smith when he talks about Lebron, you know what I mean,
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it's like just because I don't got him as one of my greates,
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Like people come at me about it and it's like, bro, it just
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it ain't. Just don't hit me, you know what I'm saying, Like,
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it's just it is what it is. I'm not trying to not like
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him, you know what I mean. I don't go out of there are
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people who do that. That's the word. The bad part. There's too
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many people, that's the thing, people that, like you said, you
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go out of your own way to not enjoy something. Bro, It's funny
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because I debded that, and it's funny funny that this was like the thing,
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but Napoleon Dynamite dropped and I refuse, Like I just judged it off
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the trailer, and I judged it off the type of people I felt like
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fucked with it. And I'm like, I'm not even I'm never gonna watch
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that movie. You know what I'm saying. I just made that decision,
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like, nah, Bro, that's corny. I'm never gonna watch it.
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Like a year and some change passes. It wasn't too long, but it
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was a while, you know what I'm saying, Like for how big the
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movie was, you know, maybe like a year and a half, Like
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a year and a half or something passes. It passes, and I don't
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know why, but I watched the movie like even though, like I'm I'm
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pretty stubborn like at that time. You know what I'm saying, I'm the
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type of person if I said I'm not gonna watch it, Bro, I'm
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not gonna watch it, but I ended up watching it, bro, and
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it was fucking hilarious and right I don't know why, like I said,
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but right then I was like, you know what, man, I'm not
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gonna just not say I don't like something just a fake for that, Like
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I gotta give it a shake, you know what I'm saying. So ever
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since then, like I always give everything a fair shake, Like I try
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to listen to it, as you know, I go into it trying to
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find something like something new to like, you know what I'm saying. So
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it's like why would I and I understand what you're saying, because I know
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people like that too, bro, like that they'll pretend they don't like something,
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and it's like, bro, like why are you just gonna deprive yourself
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of something that you can enjoy that it doesn't even matter if you enjoy it,
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you know what I'm saying. It happens a lot with like old music,
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Like I'll play something and like the tell is always when they ask you,
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like, yo, what is this? You know what I mean?
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Because like you can play music all the time and if it sounds like background
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music, people would just let us slide you know what I mean. But
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then like there's certain songs that people will be like, yo, what is
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this? And you know me, I got like an obscure taste with music,
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you know what I'm saying, Like I like all types of different stuff,
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Like it don't even match nothing, you know, I just like what
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I like. And some certain songs you tell somebody, oh, this is
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just from the name of the artist or the genre of music, they'll be
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like, oh, like it's like, bro, but you liked it though,
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you know what I'm saying now, because I tell you who it is,
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all of a sudden, you don't like it. You know. Like
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now, if something's good, something's good, I will not enjoy it because
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of who the artist is. Something's good, it's good. You can't deny
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that. And that's why people who go out of the way just to bash
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on everything not even listen to it. Just crazy. And it kind of
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goes into what we were talking about earlier that we were gonna mention on the
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show too, is like for me, I could just like the music and
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that's it. Like I don't have to like the person, like Drake being
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corny doesn't matter to me in real life. The corniness translated in the music.
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That's the part that bothers me. You know what I'm saying, Like
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when you're you could be petty and do all this, you know what I'm
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saying. Like it's the same with Kanye, like the stupid like comedy petty
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dumb raps that he does, you know what I mean, Like I don't
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like that stuff, Like you know, the what was the song I just
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want to feel liberated? What was that song called? I don't even know
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what it's called, because it was it's a stupid verse, you know what
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I mean, Like the way the song drops, you know, if if
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this model and you know what I'm saying, Like when I heard that,
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I was like, Bro, that's corny skip. You know what I'm saying.
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I don't like it because of that, Like I don't care that he's
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like he does that kind of corny stuff like to me, like if do
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you do it that? Whatever? But it's like I don't want to hear
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it in the music, you know what I mean? And like kind of
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like we were saying earlier, like as well, if the music's dope,
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I could rock with it. I don't need to rock with the person I
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don't need to feel like a connection to the artist, you know what I'm
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saying, Like the only difference, like the only time that I draw a
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line there is like for me, like people like r Kelly, you know
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what I'm saying, People like Bill Cosby, like as far as like watching
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like hearing his comedy anymore or watching his shows anymore. Like when I know
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there's just such a big, blatant, like lack of judgment on your part,
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Like I don't want to support what you're doing, you know what I
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mean. Now, if I just disagree with you stylistically or whatever, I
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don't care. But when it's something that big, bro, like, I
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just can't rock with it. And it's kind of like I was talking to
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Freddy about like just kind of trying to make a connection with like my content
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is like He's like, okay, so, but what about you? What
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do you look for? It's like, bro, I don't look for anything.
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And the people that that I rock with musically, I just look for
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the music to be something that I enjoy. You know what I'm saying.
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One of my one of my brothers, because me and my brother don't got
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the same dad. So like one of my brother's cousins. He makes music,
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and it's a like I didn't even know what the what the genre was.
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I had to ask him, like, yo, your music is fire,
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bro, what kind of music is it? You know what I mean?
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It was like I think he said it was like dream pop or bedroom
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pop something like that, but like the vibe was super dope, and shout
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out to him. His name is d'Artagnan. I wanted to name my son
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that. And his band is called Empty Vice like the letters M and T,
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so empty Vice if y'all want to it's some real adult music, real
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dope music. But yeah, like I don't, I don't care, like
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you know what I'm saying, Like I don't have to connect the artists to
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the music. For me, it's just if the music is dope, that's
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all I care about, you know. Yeah, But you know what,
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that's why Like with Takashi, I don't like him because I don't like the
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way his voice sounds mad annoying to me. It's not because whatever that shit
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happened with his legal ship, but it's like people think I hate on him
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because they think he's a snitch. I'm like, bro, no, I
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just don't I don't enjoy his voice, his side of his voice feel yes,
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And it's and it's so funny, man, because like when he came
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out, people was rocking with it. Like it's like it's not like you
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knew that he was a snitch then, but it's like, Bro, you
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see this dude and you see what he's on, like you know he ain't
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no tough guy gangster like you know, it had it had a turn into
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the the oh he's a snitch thing for people to be like, oh,
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I don't listen, like bro, Like so what before you thought he was
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like a super thug or something like you know what I'm saying, Like what
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the logic is so stupid? Bro. It's even like the Rick rosstuff like
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when he became when they came out that he was a CEO and stuff,
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and they had the pictures of him shaking hands with the chargeon and stuff.
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It's like, did you think that he was Pablo Escobar? You know what
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I'm saying, Like, did you think that he was just about it?
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Yeah, he's just moving a million bricks and nobody knows you know what I'm
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saying. He's just so slick that he raps about it, but he ain't
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getting caught like people. Some people just believe that ship. Yeah, it's
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like the the frame of thinking be so funny sometimes with people because it's like
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it's I always bring it back to like wrestling, you know what I mean,
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Like people have such a hard take rocking with wrestling or being like yo,
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that's Matt fake. It's like dog, everything that you like is fake
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everything? What about this? Yeah, it's like, what about this thing
22:29
being fake? Rubs you the wrong way. I can understand if you don't,
22:33
you know, like, if you have a real reason of why you
22:34
don't rock with it, okay, cool, But just because it's fake is
22:37
not a real reason because everything is fake. Bro, every like you said,
22:41
Bro, every song, every movie, every every TV even reality TV
22:45
is fake. So it's like, bro, what what are you talking about
22:48
right now? I didn't realize you realized, like when there's nobody exactly like
22:57
that. That, like I said, the Rick Rock thing is so funny
23:00
to me because it's like people were so heartbroken, like, Bro, who
23:03
did you think this guy was? Like you know what I'm saying, it's
23:07
just so stupid. Bro. It's just like that didn't determin me from Rick
23:12
Ross. I kept listening, so of course not who gives a fuck?
23:15
You know what I mean. It's like a Lil Wayne too, Like when
23:18
he started doing the blood thing a lot, Like I remember, there would
23:22
be like a whole bunch of arguments and wentworth like like, oh is he
23:25
a real blood? Like oh does he have the bloods behind him? And
23:27
it's like, bro, we're talking about if Lil Wayne has bloods? Like
23:32
this is like a comical topic like why why is this even a debate that's
23:36
coming up? You know what I mean? Yeah, man, that's funny.
23:41
That's just funny man. Like I said, that's always been something funny
23:44
to me with the music, kind of making a little pivot, but it
23:48
kind of is the same as far as like talking about like what you do
23:52
in real life and if it matters. So I don't know if people have
23:56
seen like a video of Mace going around talking about Dwight Howard and the whole
24:03
situation that's going on with him. I'm not going to talk about the Dwight
24:07
Howard situation itself. If you want to go look it up and read on,
24:11
that be my guest. But Mace reacted to it and it was a
24:17
funny reaction, but at the same time what he said was so valid because
24:22
he's like, you know, people always want to say what you do behind
24:26
closed doors doesn't matter, and you know what, somebody's business is their business
24:30
or whatever. But at the same time, Dwight Howard is not on an
24:36
NBA roster for like and for a while, you know, even though he
24:41
definitely has the talent and still in the shape and definitely could help a team,
24:45
Like it's not even a question obviously, as much as they want to
24:51
say this doesn't matter, it matters because it's affecting his real life stuff,
24:55
is affecting the way people look at him. It's affecting his ability to get
24:59
a job as far as being an NBA player and how great he was at
25:03
his height, you know what I mean. So it kind of like validates
25:07
what a lot of you know, people that are you know, gay by
25:14
like any anybody that's in that in that sphere, Like it validates that as
25:18
far as like people say that it don't matter, but it does matter to
25:22
them. They pretend, oh, I don't care whatever, as long as
25:26
you don't do it around me, Like Okay, people say that and stuff,
25:29
But at the at the end of the day in a large like when
25:32
you when it comes to a big group of people, it matters to the
25:36
group, you know what I mean. And that's not fair, bro,
25:38
you know, like regardless of like putting aside the legal aspect of what Dwight
25:44
Howard is going through. This story that came out like bru, we shouldn't
25:48
even know it's sash. It shouldn't matter, which goes back to Mace's point.
25:51
It's like people say that whatever he does behind closed doors don't matter,
25:55
but the fact that this is even like a public thing is showing you that
25:57
it does matter. Funny does Yeah, and yeah he I think the last
26:03
contract he had he won the Bubble Championship with the Lakers, so he got
26:06
a ring and surprisingly he didn't go up from there. Yeah. I think
26:11
I want to say that he went to the Sixers after or something like that.
26:15
Maybe they had him as like a backup for Joelle and beiid I know
26:18
he was on another team, but it was very short lived. And he's
26:21
and he didn't even bounce around Like there's so many players that are way worse
26:25
than Dwight Howard that bounce around the league. You know what I'm saying,
26:27
he's you know, it's definitely something and this could all be all and void
26:32
if it's just an attitude or character thing, because at the end of the
26:34
day that you know that that is what it is. But it's like it
26:37
definitely, you know, some of the antics is definitely playing the part.
26:42
Yeah, the locker room is different. If people don't get along, man,
26:47
the cohesiveness of the team that's to happen. Yeah, that's a fact,
26:49
man, That's a fact. And it also kind of goes into like
26:53
this little key and Peel sketch that's kind of been making this way around social
26:59
media where it's like a joke where they're doing a very extreme like there's a
27:03
person that's gay in the sketch and he's being very extreme slash a caricature of
27:11
what I gotta I gotta tell a story. I know exactly what you're talking
27:14
about, and it's like a caricature of what a gay person is. But
27:18
he's being very extreme and very vulgar. And when the person that's straight is
27:22
not comfortable with the guy saying he's like, oh, you're homophobic, you
27:26
know, kind of just playing on the thing of you know, people aren't
27:30
a lot of people aren't homophobic. They just don't want certain things in their
27:34
face. But it goes back to what we're talking about with this Dwight Howard
27:38
thing. Even if it's not in your face, people care about it and
27:42
they bring it to light, so people look at you a different way,
27:45
and that's where the judgment comes in. And that's where, like I said,
27:49
these people have a point. From that point of view, it's like
27:53
these things are still taboo and people are still you know, people are still
27:59
bringing it up to downplay you or to degrade you when it shouldn't be that
28:03
type of thing. You know what I'm saying, Like if he was having
28:07
a threesome with five chicks. I mean, obviously a three some can't be
28:11
with five chicks. But if Dwight Howard was caught with five chicks, nobody
28:15
would have even blinked an eye, you know what I'm saying, Like they
28:18
would have been I was thinking the same thing. But you get caught with
28:22
two dudes and it becomes this whole thing, and all of a sudden,
28:26
you have a narrative and a stigma around you and you can't get a job.
28:30
But man, matter of fact, Dwight Howard himself in the beginning of
28:34
his career, it was a thing that he had mad baby mamas and he
28:38
was impregnating girls like left and right in the beginning of his career. Bro,
28:42
and that never remember that, And remember bro, that never hindered him.
28:47
He was money, he was doing his thing, nobody cared. But
28:51
then when it flipped the other way, and it's like, oh, this
28:52
dude might be bisexual or gay whatever, Now all of a sudden it's an
28:57
issue, you know what I mean in the locker room, and it's like
29:00
a literal like even just the same Bro. I forgot about that with him.
29:06
It's literally the same person, two different situations, and they're being handled
29:10
two completely different ways. So I remember that when they had those out of
29:15
town games, that he would go any of those shotis and Asian shoddies.
29:18
Yeah, bro, And he had mad baby mama's. You know, he
29:21
had a few that were like magic cheerleaders or something. It was crazy,
29:25
bro like. But like it goes to prove the point, like people look
29:29
at it a different way. You could pretend like you don't or whatever.
29:32
You know, it's kind of it's the same people that be like, oh,
29:33
I don't see color. It's like you might not see color, but
29:37
in the grand spectrum of things, people are seeing it, so you know,
29:41
And that kind of goes back to something mean and you have talked about
29:45
and we see how the eye with Joe is like dog like people as a
29:49
group, You're never gonna change him, you know what I'm saying. Like,
29:52
when you get a big group of people, bro, they're gonna revert
29:56
to this primal thing for whatever reason. And it's like this, you know,
30:00
racism, sexism, all that different stuff. Bro, It's it might
30:07
it might reduce, you know, people might become more tolerant, but none
30:11
of that stuff is going away, you know what I mean. Like people
30:14
a way, they hold strong to their beliefs for sure, unless some life,
30:19
life changing shit happens. Even then, some people still don't change their
30:23
beliefs. They're still gonna feel the way they feel. And that, Bro,
30:26
that's that's a big thing in uh in Watchmen, Bro, Like if
30:30
anybody hasn't watched Watchmen, like that's a big theme that they tap on,
30:33
Like just the idea that like a lot of times with people unless there's like
30:37
like a like a big like you said, a big life changing thing,
30:41
an imminent threat, a common enemy. People are just always going to be
30:45
at each other's throats. Sucks. I don't need to watch that that.
30:51
I've been looking for a show to start on the on the on the side,
30:52
I gotta put the watch for me, dog. I love Watchmen because
30:56
it hits all the march for me, Like I like superhero shit, I
31:00
like deep shit. I like things that are visually stunning, you know what
31:03
I mean. And Watchman takes all about it and you watch the movie both
31:07
the movie the show. I read one of the series of the comics.
31:11
I gotta actually like dig into it a little more, like get more into
31:15
the story because I've been like fiending for more Watchmen content, you know what
31:18
I mean, Because I just love that comic. I'm a peeping yeah that
31:25
that and Batman, to me, is the only thing that came out of
31:29
you that's worth the damn you know. I would love to see a Batman
31:33
and Watchman crossover. That would be fucking far. D Yeah, they're both
31:37
DCT, but Watchman is just more like the DC graphic novel side, you
31:42
know what I mean. But yeah, man, you had you had a
31:49
topic that you have brought up just as far as like higher as grossing tours,
31:55
just like the impact of tours and kind of how it translates to like
31:59
the level all of the artists, how great the artist is and stuff like.
32:01
Oh, yeah, it was definitely something that that was intriguing and you
32:07
want to elaborate to my friend, I was in my saving it for Quincy
32:10
so we can share our contra. Yeah, yeah, but it's pretty much
32:15
like a little teasing team. Yeah, it stems from the reaction to bad
32:19
Bunny ticket prices and the reaction to Drake and twenty one Savage ticket prices.
32:23
That's funny because you didn't specify those things, but it definitely makes sense with
32:28
that topic. Yeah, so we're gonna talk about who actually made the most
32:32
funny on their tours and if it's any of these artists at all that are
32:37
trying to charge just crazy as funny. But I want to talk show experience
32:40
and yeah, so we'll wait for Quincy on that one dope dope. Yeah,
32:45
definitely need him here for that because he's definitely been to a lot of
32:47
concerts just like you. I haven't. I've been to a few dope ones,
32:51
but I got into going to concerts way later, like I was always
32:54
broke, you feel me? But so yeah, we'll get into that next
33:00
time. Yeah, I think that's it as far as like the topics go,
33:07
we gonna hit the Billboard game. I'm ready a little different spin.
33:10
You know, it's gonna be more like a like a scrimmage type thing,
33:13
you know what I'm saying. But we're trying to get you back on track,
33:16
you know what I mean. I think I think Quincey got two weeks
33:20
in a row. Man, Yeah, i think I'm down three and one
33:22
in the finals right now. Yeah, bro this about it. Be here
33:24
Lebron with the beats wired moment, you know what I'm saying, and do
33:30
it again. But we are going to just just just for for shits and
33:36
giggles. Guess a year. Guess a year. Let's see if you get
33:38
kind of close. Twenty thirteen, be pretty far. Twenty two thousand and
33:44
five, that's where we got. June two thousand and five, So this
33:47
is the fourteen ooh before my birthday? All right? You ready ready?
33:52
So this Neptune's produced hip hop infused pop single was a solo smash for this
34:01
female vocalist let me read the question again, because it is very twist,
34:06
Attorney, This Neptune's produced hip hop infused pop single was a solo smash for
34:15
this female vocalist. The options are whence the Fani Pink and Beyonce two thousand
34:24
and five, he said, thousand and five Neptunes produced hip hop infused pop
34:31
single. So it's a pop song, but obviously with that Neptune's production,
34:36
it has that you know, that kind of bounds to it, you know,
34:43
whence the funniest correct? What is the song? My friend? Uh,
34:51
I know that's the name. Give me a second, Yes, sir,
34:57
there you go, ding ding ding exactly it. And man, we
35:01
I don't think we've talked about it before, but we gotta go through this
35:05
run that the Neptunes had in the two thousands, and they were on so
35:08
much they literally have the like a world record of the most hits like in
35:15
a decade for real and yep, from the two for the two thousands,
35:20
bro. Like, like I said, we we gotta do a deep dive
35:22
episode just on that run, bro, because that ship is legendary and like
35:25
a lot of people don't even know about that. With that all right,
35:29
So the second one is one of the last male R and B groups to
35:34
make real noise. This suggestive hit set the tone for this Southern based group.
35:40
The options are Easy Yet, B two K and Pretty Ricky. One
35:46
of the last male R and B groups to make real noise. This suggestive
35:52
hit set the tone for this Southern based group. Be Pretty Riaky, Pretty
35:59
Riaky's correct? And what was the song line? Nope, no grind with
36:06
me? Oh no, but got grind with me this first. That was
36:12
a little tricky one because they had them both kind of around the same time.
36:15
I think, yeah they did. Yeah, I might have. I
36:16
might have caught on late for one. Yeah, but yeah, it was
36:22
a grind with me and bro. I can't even think of like a male
36:25
R and B group that did anything since then. And uh, b K
36:31
he was after that. B two K was like coming. They came out
36:37
before then, and they were like kind of like on their their downswing around
36:40
that time. But yeah, last one, This often made fun of hip
36:47
hop song, was a surprising single from this semi retired rapper turned actor.
36:53
The options are Will Smith, Mark Wahlberg, and t I. This often
37:00
made fun of hip hop song was a surprising single from the semi retired rapper
37:05
turned actor Will Smith. Mark Wahlberg t I said, Will Smith. Will
37:12
Smith is the one. What's the song Wiggy Wiggy wild? Nah? Bro?
37:19
That was way earlier. It was switch. Oh, I forgot about
37:24
that song, Bro. That song was terrible. That that song got made
37:29
fun of, like almost instantly when it dropped. Yeah, and I remember
37:32
like he was like dancing with a big group of people. Yeah, yeah,
37:36
he was Yo. That song was terrible. Bro. You know it's
37:38
funny because I rocket Will Smith's music even though it's like mad bubblegum. I
37:43
was a big fan of like that first album that had like the extended version
37:46
of the Fresh Prince song on it. Yeah, big like Big Willi style
37:52
was dope but dog like anything like after Big Willie style like he was.
37:58
It was whack. Bro. I'm sorry, it was just terribly wid Yeah.
38:01
But I like those soundtrack like wild West Bad Boys, the Bend in
38:06
Black track. Yeah, I like those. I always liked those two because
38:09
it was kind of like we were talking about, like he was. He
38:12
was doing those songs like from the point of view of the character. So
38:15
like even with like Wow, Wild West one, he was able to get
38:19
like little slick, like like killer type vibes, you know what I mean,
38:22
even though he was never on that and they let me like Bro though
38:25
the wa Wah West song low key let me know, like Bro Will Smith
38:29
wanted to get on some ignorant stupid ship. He could he could have been
38:32
one of them like rappers, you know what I'm saying. Like he could
38:35
have did his thing and he could have been on it because like he had
38:37
a couple of lines in that joint that it was like he you could tell
38:40
he was like, all right, now I cannot say some tough ship,
38:43
let me do it. You know, I think that was I think he
38:46
had to hold that back a lot exactly exactly, and Bro like kind of
38:52
like to tie it in with the content thing is like that, that's like
38:54
that that uh that struggle, Bro, Like how do you do your content
38:59
and do your but still staying true to what you're about, you know what
39:01
I mean? Not selling out. It's real easy to sell. If you
39:07
pick one side you and you want to stay consistent, You're gonna have to
39:09
stay on that side, Bro, keep doing that same kind of person you
39:13
don't want to be. But exactly, it's too late. We'll run through
39:16
this top ten real quick. This was still a pretty good year, man,
39:22
so we got I'm gonna just throw this in there as a honorable mention
39:27
just because I love this song. But number twelve was slowed down Bobby Valentino.
39:31
Man, it was in the in the top ten the week before.
39:37
That was a joint right there, Tim and Bob bro Their production was crazy.
39:43
But anyway, we're talking about the top ten for the Billboard Top ten
39:49
for June two thousand, celebrating my birthday. So you were celebrating your birthday
39:54
to these joints two thousand and five, this birthday, this which was on
39:59
the radio. So number ten was hater love it fifty game, number nine,
40:06
since You've been gone, Kelly Clarkson, Number eight, grind with me,
40:10
pretty Ricky, Number seven, switch Will Smith. Number six, Behind
40:17
these Hazel Eyes Kelly Clarkson, I don't know what that is and I don't
40:22
want to know. Number five. I remember this song. This song was
40:25
funny and that in a good way. Number five, don't funk with my
40:29
heart The Black Eyed Peas, Bro. The Black Eyed Peas is like if
40:32
they would have dropped that music now, it would have seemed like it was
40:36
parody music, right, Yeah, that's crazy all right. And then number
40:39
four was Oh Sierra and Ludacris. That was one of the songs that,
40:45
like, yeah, exactly, bro. It was like it was one of
40:47
those that it was like clear what they were trying to do with it,
40:50
but it was actually dope for what it was. It's not and I always
40:52
wanted to know Lutis park Yep. Yeah, that was when Ludacris was like
40:58
the verse killer man. Remember when it was like the Little Wayne before Little
41:00
Wayne is c oh yeah, big time. He was crushing everything facts number
41:06
three just a little bit, fifty, number two Hall the Back Girl,
41:10
Gressa Fani, and number one We Belonged Together Mariah Carry Yeah, I heard
41:15
you say that, epic, bro. Yeah, that's why I didn't throw
41:19
it in because I noticed that I was saying it out loud to myself.
41:22
You know, I can't say that one that that she she came through with,
41:29
that one that she still his city today, timeless music. That was
41:32
after like a little layoff, if I remember correctly, that was like when
41:36
she kind of like transitioned into like the grown Mariah, like she was still
41:40
like the girl next door. Mariah before that music, you know what I
41:44
mean, that was a that was I mean, she was already solidified,
41:50
but at the time she was relatively still young because it was the nineties,
41:54
you know, that was the ear she just got started so early. Yeah,
41:58
it was like, you know, she was in her maybe like twelveth
42:00
or tenth year like really being out, so it was still relatively young.
42:05
But she smashed it out the park, bro like that. She just bro.
42:09
Mariah's Mariah broh. And I watched she performed We've Been On Together on
42:15
some holiday some holiday concert just last year, and the back rubber was fucked
42:19
up, so she's saying the whole part by herself where she breaks she goes
42:22
off at the end. Yeah, Bro, it still sounds like the track
42:25
the actual song crazy Bro crazy, and it's like Mariah like and not just
42:30
Mariah, but it was like the Gateway but like the Honey song, and
42:36
specifically the beat for Honey was like one of the first times I really like
42:42
remember being like, Yo, this beat is crazy. Like that melody of
42:47
that piano in that beat drove me nuts for years. That Yo, that
42:55
that little jingle, that melody right there, bro to me is like the
43:00
best, like the best little run of yeah fast. Something about it is
43:07
so different to me, you know what I'm saying, Like it's just so
43:09
like dog whoever came like whoever first did that little riff or whatever on the
43:15
piano. I don't know what the term for what that is is, dog,
43:19
but that is to me is like the goaded melody of all time.
43:22
Bro. And then and how the locks and may slid on that beat too
43:28
like that, and that was it. That is like what you're saying.
43:30
You hear her vocalizing in the beginning, you hear the beat like the beat
43:36
is already fire. Then you hear that piano. Then you hear that bass,
43:42
you know, and then the beat drops and then dog jadakiss and stolespeed
43:49
back and forth. Then she comes in with the singing and the strong singing.
43:53
Oh Bro, that song, like I said, dog, bro the
43:58
in like all the way that song starts and just the song itself, but
44:02
that whole song, bro is like to me, is like a fucking masterpiece
44:07
on another level. Bro. Yeah, there's nothing that was repeated in that
44:10
song. Dog. I feel like that is that is like low key like
44:15
and they might not even know, but that's part of the reason why the
44:17
Locks hated Diddy so much. It's like, bro, how are we such
44:21
a part of this? Like, how are we so instrumental to this fucking
44:24
masterpiece? And we're not getting paid? Broy Like even though they leave,
44:30
she got was like, yeah, we're gonna leave. She got this way,
44:34
We're just gonna have y'all. I think I might have been dreaming this,
44:37
or it might have just been a thing where I just feel like,
44:39
this is what happened. But I think they said, like even she was
44:43
like, bro, like I don't got nothing for this, Like this ship
44:45
is a fucking you know what I'm saying. This is crazy. But I
44:49
don't think it would have hit the same with him, Honey, I think
44:51
like that it definitely would have. That's a good choice. It's like the
44:54
off the what's it called rest in Peace? Takeoff? Take Off not on
44:59
batter bougie, you know what I mean? Like take off is a slider,
45:01
bro, and he's fired, you know what I'm saying. And but
45:06
for whatever reason, he just wasn't on that song. Supposedly that was a
45:08
solo joint that Offset did with Uzi on it, and then they ended up
45:14
wanting to turn it into a Migos record because they needed a single, and
45:16
then they threw Quavo on it. Yep. But yeah, man, I'm
45:23
excited to get into that concert. Talk man, but is there anything else
45:28
you want to talk about? My friend? I know you in the last
45:30
stretch of the move three we slept. It's gonna get better now we just
45:36
keep talking about it. Man, It's gonna be. It's gonna be a
45:38
lot of a lot of things we're gonna work on when I'm back in Orlando.
45:42
I'm just just looking forward to that time. Slying by. Yes,
45:45
sir, I'm I'm in like a like a transitional phase with the music and
45:52
just like what what I'm working on. I don't like, I don't even
45:55
really know what's coming next for me, but I'm in vigorated by the talk
46:00
that I had with Freddie earlier Slash, the talk that continued with you,
46:06
and I'm just I'm ready to hit the ground running. I don't know what
46:08
that is yet. Hopefully I'll have something to talk about the next episode,
46:14
So just stay butter shout out yes sir. The cashiers cash yo, my
46:20
bad. I don't know. I already said to stay butter. But I
46:22
gotta say this little part. I think I said it in the Unk episode,
46:25
but it was so long ago when I first met Unk and heard his
46:30
tag, his tag and shout out to click clak because he's the one that
46:32
did the tag. His tag says cash me out, Unk, which you
46:37
know they're the cashiers. His name is Unk. It's a dope, you
46:42
know, it's super dope. It's a dope idea. But I don't know
46:45
if it was because he's white, bro, But I thought the thing said
46:51
cats me out, you know what I mean. Like I thought it was
46:55
like, yeah, Unk, Uh thought it was you that's that that was
47:01
saying that too. Yeah that's funny, bro. And for mad long,
47:07
I thought it was saying cats me out, which was dope to me.
47:10
You know what I'm saying. I'm like, oh, that's dope, like
47:13
he has some yeah, like because it's like an old little phrase, you
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know what I mean. That's kind of right, you know what I'm saying,
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like cats me out? And I really thought that's what it said.
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Bro says cash me out and then it has the cash registers sounding it to
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him. Oh yeah that's fire too. But I was I really thought it
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was cats me out bro oh mansus a captain apt not not append, not
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not contut, not not count up, not being not doing count up,
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not being nothing after a