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The handshake with AI innovator Rich Washburn · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  In this political coliseum, we slay the rising beast with the fateful sword of truth that transcends hypocrisy and censorship.
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  It's time to unleash yourself from the tyrants of media propaganda on the America Out Loud Talk Radio Network.
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  This is unleashed the political news hour.
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  Welcome to United, the political news seller.
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  And I'm your host, Gold Star Mother, Susan Price, and this is America Outload.
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  In these biblical days of good versus evil, we are entering a new passage of time when man's truths, once concealed from sight and sound, are now being illuminated and amplified through a series of disclosures and emerging patents and technology.
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  Some of these disclosures will speak on technologies that were coveted by the military industrial complex many decades ago.
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  America and the world will be transformed as these revelations will redefine the way we think, eat, sleep, and play, and live our lives, bringing a revolutionary concept to all of humanity.
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  Yet AI is on the verge of becoming even more powerful, as this tool will find a place in the homes and lifestyles of every human being.
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  Some fear its power may be mishandled and weaponized.
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  And some believe it will be the solution moving forward to progress into the aquarium age as we enter this year of 2026.
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  Yet these AI inventors are visionaries who find opportunity and many details of daily life, whether it be for business or personal.
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  Joining me in discussion is a unique AI innovator, Rich Washburn.
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  He is a patriotic mega American author, political blogger, ghostwriter, entrepreneur, and gifted photographer.
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  He is a true white hat, certified ethical hacker and digital forensic analysis, and holds four patents with possibly two more on the horizon.
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  Rich is known as the wizard and runs a consultation and advisory business focused on helping people master emerging AI technologies to elevate their work.
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  And every home had an Einstein.
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  If every home had an Einstein to answer any question, we would have the power to do anything.
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  Welcome, Rich.
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  Thank you, Susan.
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  How are you?
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  Oh, I'm good.
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  My voice is getting worn out through the holidays.
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  Well, it's a little early for Christmas Caroling, right?
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  Oh, that is, but you know, you have to talk at the dinner table on Thanksgiving and family and friends getting together.
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  And um, and with that, I am just so grateful to have you and given thanks for having you because um so Rich, how did you get here from there?
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  What inspired you?
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  And tell us about your background.
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  Wow, how long's the show?
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  Uh so um, well, I honestly I've been a nerd my whole life.
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  It I guess it started with Legos, believe it or not.
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  Um like any other uh creative kid or nerd, I uh I loved Legos, I love building stuff, I love breaking stuff.
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  Um you know, that turned into taking apart, you know, clocks and radios and then having tools taken away from me just in general, and uh, you know, then the computer age got here, and then you know it all got really interesting from there.
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  We um you know, I kind of grew up in the in the early computer modem days.
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  I had a 300 baud modem.
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  Um, I don't know if any of your listeners remember what what those were, but the old acoustic coupler type where you you hang up your phone as soon as you heard the tones onto another look like two little suction cup things, and uh, and you were you were on the internet as it were.
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  I remember that.
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  Oh my goodness.
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  I mean, that and learning uh to how to use a soldering iron from my grandfather.
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  Uh is kind of I would say that's pretty much my origin story.
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  I that's how I got here was becoming a nerd and uh getting access to the tools that enabled that.
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  Well, I want I want to read something, and you know, I I took it from one of your articles, and we're gonna get into that because you have a website and everything.
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  But um, you say there is a merging of two worlds, the old world runs on rails, linear, sequential, intentional.
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  You pick a track and write it until you reach the next station.
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  You build careers like tracks, one decision at a time.
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  The new world runs like current, it doesn't move in one direction, it radiates.
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  AI doesn't progress, it propagates, it grows outward from an epicenter, expanding like a living intelligence, touching everything at once.
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  And while the new world is faster, it's not necessarily better.
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  There are things I want slow.
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  Wine, woodworking, understanding, wisdom takes time, it has to breathe.
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  I love that.
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  And that, you know, that hits emotions.
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  Do you want to expand upon that?
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  And um, the group, the young and the old, excuse me, the network of people you work with.
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  Sure.
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  Um, um, so a lot of them, well, I work with both those groups.
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  Uh that's I mean, that's the funny part is I I on one side I have I have students, you know, uh college students.
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  I I have uh some younger students.
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  I've actually got um I've done some STEM classes um with kind of younger folks, like you know, 10, 12 uh age.
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  Um but the you know the college age group, so you know, these guys come to me and they're like, hey, we're we're gonna do an AI business.
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  Like they're they're not saying let's start a business.
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  They're they're very AI centric.
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  And the reason they're AI centric is because they can, as an individual or a very small group or team, can just cover a lot of ground, right?
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  They they don't need to wait for permission or you know, I I have this joke with the whole AI thing that that I help people solve problems that I don't understand.
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  And it's true.
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  Like these these kids are not waiting till they learn or understand something before trying to turn it into a business.
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  It's it's it's in there, they're born with this in their bones.
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  Well, think of it this way.
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  You know, like like we we we've always, you know, the the young and dumb, right?
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  Like you you lack the I mean it's there, I mean, there's so many jokes and anecdotes and memes throughout time of the the wise whatever cow bull, whatever, telling the younger, so hey, you know, wait, right?
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  Like all good things in time, right?
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  Like not everything you gotta rush into, right?
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  Take your time, stop and smell the flowers, you know, all those sayings, right?
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  Like they've never meant more than that than right now because you've got these kids or younger folk that are able, you know, they they think, hey, I can go just go do this, and the the typical limitations that are there aren't there, or the friction at least.
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  Turns out it's not there because they can just use AI to get over it, but they still are missing the wisdom from the you know what I call the old guard or the the veterans, right?
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  And that is just because you can go down a track, uh doesn't mean you should burn the resources to do it.
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  You know, the guys that have done that a few times are gonna say, yeah, you you're gonna find out when you get there that you you wasted your time, but you didn't ask one of us.
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  So I see a lot of that, and I I want to connect the two.
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  Like that's kind of where you know, I want to straddle that that nexus point is bring those two together.
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  They both need each other.
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  And it's it's an interesting moment where we don't.
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  normally have this kind of deep tribal knowledge coupled with very very capable fast moving you know you know tech centric crowd like it's a really good mix and and odd right like let's let's send a whole bunch of AI nerds into uh retirement homes and and get some deep knowledge and and start building awesome stuff like that's kind of what I want to do I love that and I'm like you I'm in the middle I want to connect I want to learn I you know I have to ask my grandsons you know how do you figure this out and today I asked a friend's son um to fix my cell phone and I I mean yeah I'm older and I have the knowledge of other things but these kids just pick that device up and it's like uh in two minutes it's done it's and we do I bet there's something that you that it works the other way around where you're you know your grandkids watch you do something and they're baffled watching you do it but it's something that you know just comes from your world and you do intuitively right exactly the two worlds do need each other but why are so many people afraid of oh AI is coming and and you know but isn't it's ancient we have ancient uh intelligence artificial intelligence and we have the new and uh can talk can you talk about that why are people afraid well I mean people are generally afraid of AI you know for the usual reasons right either you don't do you know we don't understand something our first reaction is to be afraid of it right like that's that's about as primal as it gets but you know moving outward from there you know you've got you know how how many Terminator movies have you seen right like how how how much has Hollywood influenced your what you believe is artificial intelligence and here's the thing don't get me wrong a AI absolutely has risks some very serious risks they're they're generally not what you see in the movies so much um like that uh some of them we're already starting to deal with but you know uh here's the thing I I would say we we gotta stop calling it artificial intelligence and you know obviously that's assumed and I'm not trying to say hey this is like some sort of real intelligence it is artificial intelligence but at the end of the day to get people to understand it better I tell people it's it's just intelligence right it's intelligence in a bottle and and you control the lid to to some degree right or to to a large degree you control the lid right you you determine how much you can pour out of that bottle for you know for the most part it's a tool no different than any other tool um once you kind of see it's like magic right like you go and you see you know a magician up on stage and they do some sort of really cool trick and and by the way I really dig magic I just got a thing for it so this is this is kind of insights to to the way I think about this uh you know you see you see a magic trick and you're wowed by it and you're like dude that's I mean that looks you know that it's not magic but you but you you're you've had to suspend normal like physics and stuff so that you can like get through that moment.
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  Say dude that's magic that's awesome.
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  That's that was what a cool trick right and then you see the trick how it's done right and then as many you can see that trick done for the rest of your life and it's not magic anymore right it's just the trick that's AI right AI we've all used our cell phones or computers in some cases or tablets or or whatever to type a message even going back as early as the the old blackberry days right you're typing a message or an email or a text and the next like three or four words pop up that you could just select like and they're it's one of their they're the three most likely words in that sentence right to to help speed up the typing experience remember this so it's that's it it's the handshake of the connection of two systems engaged and networking together the decoding the bridge between analog wisdom and digital instinct the two worlds merging together yeah definitely yeah it's uh it's fascinating and uh and talking about AI and all kinds of technologies and um we know that in the next well the days and weeks ahead and moving into the new year um we're expecting the med beds to come out and uh we're also expecting a lot of the other healing devices and you know there's so much technology and patents out there that have been confiscated through the military industrial complex 50 60 70 years ago um and that's really gonna be something when all that information uh I'm actually not familiar like when you say medbeds when you're um I mean I've seen like the Matt was it like I think one of them was a magnetic resonance bed and I and I demoed it I think it was like uh six eight months ago or so no there's different types but this is the one that really heals the DNA it's uh yeah those will be out because I am a part of the program they'll be out to the public in January of 2026 come January 2026 is going to change a lot of things because um you know there's a lot of disclosures and things that have been going on in the in the background uh for decades will be revealed and I'm looking forward to it and we'll get into that uh when we return after a message from our sponsors tired of harsh chemical toothpaste that do more harm than good upgrade your oral health with smile the doctor formulated toothpaste from the wellness company smile uses powerful peptides remineralizers and probiotics to rebuild gum tissue strengthen enamel and keep harmful bacteria away and also leaves your mouth feeling fresh with a clean mint flavor no fluoride no toxins just real science backed results go to twc dot health forward slash out loud and use code out loud for 20% off your first order you wouldn't go a day without brushing your teeth or washing your hands what about washing your nose I mean your nose does filter the air you breathe air loaded with bacteria viruses and irritants make nasal hygiene part of your routine with clear no messy bottles to fill no drowning sensation clear is a natural drug-free saline with the added benefit of xylitol which blocks bacterial and viral adhesion available in stores and online at clear.com that is xl e ar dot com well to just see Google quietly updated its AI principles removing its pledge not to use AI for weapons or surveillance a promise they agree to in 2018 where the American people have seen Google's track record prompt in question is Google an untrustworthy player in the AI race now is our time my fellow America out loud.news liberty and justice for all and welcome back to America out loud I'm your host gold star mother Susan Price and with me today is my special guest Richburn welcome back so Rich if you would um tell us about all your little you know gifts that you have and uh the photographs and that with the trunk well uh I I've I've been lucky uh I I've gotten so I it actually started with a local candidate here I live in Fort Lauderdale a uh a local candidate ran for uh state rep and I actually went just as a photographer hobby photographer um it was during COVID um and you know I I you know I hadn't posted a lot on Instagram and everyone was kind of locked down and I was working from home and a buddy of mine saying dude you should get out and take some pictures of going to this it was a gun event like a like a two way event and um I believe it was Anthony Sabatini which at the time was a I think he was in Congress or or state rep here uh from Florida so he uh I said I went to go take pictures just you know get something do something new get out ended up meeting a candidate um we a
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  Essentially coalesced into a campaign team ad hoc and uh thus started my my foray into politics.
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  Honestly, I couldn't have cared at all about politics prior to that moment.
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  Um, I was just there for the for the photos, but they uh they dragged me into it, and every event had had some sort of interesting scene to take pictures of and and a bar, so it became like this fun hobby, and I just ended up finding myself at you know, I've I've obviously you know, people are familiar with Mar-a-Lago, I've probably done about a dozen events there.
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  Um you know, all over the place.
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  I've been to um Tennessee, a couple other states.
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  I did an event for uh with Tucker Carlson recently, Tulsi Gabbart, uh the uh DNI before before she was DNI.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Well, so yeah, I I've been invited to a couple little events here and there too.
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  And in fact, you and I know a few people and uh that are that travel in those circles, and it's a fun group of people.
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  Um honestly, that's the big allure.
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  So, you know, one of the most recent events were the the big Trump boat event with the Trump family.
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  Um, and I got listen, when I say I got some some awesome shots, I'm not I'm not bragging about my pictures.
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  I'm bragging because I I'm just I just really it was lucky to get those shots, right?
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  Like it's it's more about like the I mean when when photography location is very important, obviously.
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  So uh it I was very lucky to get where I was when I was uh to get those kinds of photos.
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  Yeah, I've seen your photos, they're beautiful.
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  Um you're really talented because you know, not not every photographer is that talented and can capture capture the emotion.
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  And it looks like you did that.
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  Now, Rich, you are involved with ghostwriting too.
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  I know you're a political blogger, and I've you have some awesome articles.
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  Um, and you do ghostwriting, and is that part of your business?
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  And we'll get into your whip website toward the end of our uh broadcast.
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  Sure.
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  Um what are um how many books have you written with with people?
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  Uh I am all I have just finished the number five for others.
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  I have written two for myself, which I'll be honest, never go far because I kind of don't really do them with the intention to go anywhere.
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  It's usually like something I'm gonna I'll get like 10 chapters into it and and listen to it to go to sleep to, and then I don't care the next morning I can move on, which you know uh is I guess a byproduct of having intelligence on tap for very cheap, is that you can do these things like with you know, and not worry about it.
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  But yeah, I've I've done five for others, uh two of them political.
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  Uh one of them uh one of them was interesting.
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  This this is someone I should actually you guys should connect.
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  Um he he also has a podcast.
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  Um but this he he basically fell out of a plane, lost a leg, lost an eye, found God a bunch of years later.
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  He he's always been wanting to write a book, called me a couple years back, and I'm like, dude, why don't you use AI?
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  And uh, you know, one thing or another, he's he's a book, right?
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  And and and here's the thing we didn't write his book with AI, but in his case, he used AI to basically organize and sus he was very adamant that he did not want to write his book with AI, or he or he didn't want AI to write his book.
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  Uh in down to the like his audiobook, his his family, his his you know, his kids who play piano, they did the intro music, like he does the voiceovers.
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  Uh, I think his wife does the intros and stuff like so.
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  It's very like an organic thing, but it didn't, it's like one of those things they just wanted to get done his whole life, but AI is what greased the skid, so to speak.
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  But the other than that, the other four a hundred percent one of them when I say a hundred percent whole cloth, the I was sitting at the table with the the people that wanted to write the book, and they were supposed to be like giving me input to steer the book, and they were kind of just talking amongst themselves, and I literally was just pulling pieces from the conversation and dropping it in.
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  And that I mean, that's it.
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  It was I called it an accidental book.
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  I mean, it kind of really's a shocking that it happened at all.
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  So what I mean, you do so many things.
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  Um, and you have four patents with the possibility of two more.
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  Yeah.
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  All right, can you talk about that a little bit or sure?
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  Sure.
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  Uh yeah, so um the among the four, I have a uh a wearable piece of tech that um is more just utility, but um has to do with uh with health.
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  Um it's honestly it it started off as a joke before COVID, a few years before COVID.
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  A buddy of mine and I, like I've I have this thing for fireworks, so we do fire work shows.
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  Um like kind of you know, like the backyard firework show that's gone ridiculous.
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  Um so we you know, part of that process, we we you know, with wiring up the show.
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  We you know, we so basically, long story short, we needed little lights that weren't blinding each other when we looked up with the lights clamped to our hats.
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  I was like, dude, it'd be really great if I had one just attached to my Apple Watch, because it was I at the time is like the first gen Apple watch.
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  And I'm it became a joke.
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  Like, how did Apple miss that opportunity?
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  Like what a simple way to or place to put the flashlight that we all use on the phones.
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  So I made one, like basically just kind of rigged one up, and uh somebody saw me in a restaurant and and literally said, Hey, where do you get that?
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  And I I said, You can't.
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  I I kind of just made it, and they offered me a hundred bucks for it, and I couldn't believe it.
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  And the the dude that I was having lunch with is a coworker was like, dude, that's a product, man.
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  If somebody so we we started pursuing it, and then COVID happened.
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  Um and it kind of took a different track, but that's that's where that's what that is.
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  Um and then the other ones, the two that are coming up, those have to do with a um uh basically a wireless marketing device that you'd be uh you'd get a kick out of the way it started was with actually a Trump gorilla marketing style uh political toy.
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  So it just comes into your head at that moment.
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  It's like well, it was a friend of mine that kind of egged it on, but but yeah, so you know the I'll I'll tell you this much is the um remember the the 34 counts that they hit Trump with the you know the BS you know things, yeah.
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  So uh a buddy of mine sent me a like a meme picture of Trump on the golf course wearing a uh an ankle bracelet, like a DOJ like ankle monitor.
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  And I kind of laughed and I was like, dude, I could make that.
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  So I literally 3D printed an enclosure that looked like a you know, like this, or like one of these devices, and I built a wireless transmitter that just broadcast a web or a Trump signal, like 600 foot range kind of you know, deal.
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  And uh basically made it to prove the point to send them this guy, ended up selling like 150 of them, and you know, we just after we stopped laughing, we realized that maybe this was something we could do for with the more business-centric thing.
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  So that's kind of that's where the other two are heading.
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  Wow.
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  So are you gonna be working with young kids?
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  Uh these young college kids helping them to create patents.
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  Is that something that you may do?
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  Yeah, I I am actually doing that currently.
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  There's uh there's two teams.
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  Um it's funny.
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  So uh the person that introduced us, our mutual friend.
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  Yeah, uh turns out I I don't know what we were doing.
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  I I met her through another mutual friend, and we were working on something, and they she started talking about these kids from Liberty University.
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  Is it are their names this that I and she says, yeah.
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  How do you know?
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  I said, Yeah, I'm working with them too.
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  And it's just funny that we were both working with them.
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  Her mentoring on one side, me doing it on a technology side work with AI.
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  Yeah, that that's a
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  Hysterical.
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  She told me about that.
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  It's you know, it's it's the plan is just so detailed in God's world, you know.
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  Small world, right?
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  Yeah, so I wanted to ask you, Rich, because I I found this to be interesting.
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  You were a certified ethical hacker and digital forensic analysts.
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  Yes.
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  Are you still doing that too?
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  Or uh on occasion, um, I kind of cherry pick those sort of things.
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  So it's not where my heart's at, uh, to be perfectly honest.
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  Um, you know, that it's interesting work.
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  It used to be much more interesting work.
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  Uh, I used to love the forensic stuff.
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  Um, you know, intellectual property disputes, things like that.
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  Um, those were fun.
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  Uh, then it got into human trafficking, uh, you know, child abuse, things like that.
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  And it's just not that much fun any after.
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  I mean, nobody wants to do.
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  I mean, you want to be able to say, yeah, I'm I'm helping, but I'll be honest, that's just not something you want to do every day.
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  No, it's depressing.
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  That's yeah, listen, I have a kid, you know, like I don't want to, I don't want to deal with that.
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  Yeah, but you know, so these are the the truths that are going to be disclosed here.
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  So for all those people who've been sleeping uh for their whole life, um a lot of people are gonna be misplaced uh emotionally when all these things happen, and they are they're going to.
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  When we have changes in our financial world, and the foods we eat and the just every little thing that makes us who we are and the world around us is going to change, but it's going to change for the better because we have to rip the band-aid off and heal that wound, heal these cancers, and we have to wake and shake people up, you know.
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  No more just being a couch potato.
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  Yeah, everyone has how about that Campbell Soups announcement.
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  Oh, I didn't hear that one.
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  What's what was that?
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  Well, apparently one of their execs, their I think it was their um their CISO, their their network security guy.
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  Uh-huh.
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  Their the quality of their of their product, even the source of the like the chicken is like 3D printed meat, fake meat, um, that it's food for poor people.
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  Um pretty pretty pretty damning stuff, but it was just ironic that it was uh like two days before everyone makes their green bean casserole with with the mushroom, the Campbell's mushroom soup or cream of mushroom soup, I guess.
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  Wow.
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  So you you mentioned food, like yeah, like so a lot of things are coming out already.
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  I mean, with that that being one of them, I I'd say that heck, I mean, since Trump took office, I I would say at least once a week, there is some sort of relevant or you know, relevation or was it what's the word revelation level uh thing that that we see in the news, whether it was with Doge and all the money there and USAID and you know, you we you you um you know I know we we mentioned we spoke at some point about chevron deference.
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  Oh yeah.
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  I mean these are these are pivotal things happening.
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  I mean Chevron Deference, I I don't know if I mean once I kind of got my head and I don't fully understand it.
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  I mean, my I I have a I have a understanding of it and what it means, you know, in a legal sense, but you know, that's a massive thing.
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  That that should be talked about on the news every day that should be discussed.
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  People should understand that.
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  In fact, all the companies that made you know some sort of uh firearms accessory or attachment that got Chevron deference ruling out of existence and and you know their business model, you know, essentially put out of business by the federal government under the the ruling of Chevron Deference should definitely be hearing about it because those are lawsuits, those are um you know, that's the I mean it was ruled unconstitutional, not just hey, we're changing this, right?
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  Well, I I've written about it and I listed all the companies, but I also listed the three-letter organizations that weaponized this over 40-year-old ruling, and and then today when we see what happened with President Trump uh with the judicial coup, no wonder because these things gave those people uh the lawbreakers who think they're the lawmakers, gave them a license to weaponize against us, the people that believe in a constitutional republic, and we keep getting it crammed down our throat that it's a democracy, and it's not and so these the Chevron deference has empowered the three-letter agencies, and I have friends that are attorneys, and they even said how corrupt a lot of these judges were, and you know, it's well, everything's we're gonna get into that.
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• 37:00
  And welcome back.
• 37:01
  I'm Gold Star Mother Susan Price, and this is America Out Loud.
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  And with me today, my special guest, Rich Washburn.
• 37:11
  Welcome, Rich.
• 37:12
  Thank you.
• 37:14
  And so, yes, getting back to the um Chevron Deference.
• 37:19
  Uh I'll have to send you that article.
• 37:21
  And it's on America Out Loud for our listeners out there, uh, to go and and check up on stuff.
• 37:29
  But you know, and I've I've written about a lot of these companies and food and uh, you know, the weather and and just you know, the chemtrails, and I started writing about all this stuff like 16 years ago.
• 37:45
  I went down that rabbit hole.
• 37:48
  But when I first woke up, uh it was with 9-11, and I knew things were not right, you know, and uh then I saw it the leadership fail in our country, and it's funny because my son, who was an intelligence marine killed in Afghanistan 16 years ago, but he had mentioned to me oh about nine months before the resident Obama took office.
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  He said, Mama, talk to your friends because tell them uh not to vote for this guy, you know.
• 38:26
  This guy's a junior senator, he come out of nowhere, nobody knows anything about him.
• 38:32
  It's a mystery wrapped up in a riddle, and um, it's not looking good.
• 38:38
  And he told me that, but you know, we we've seen it, and it's people like uh Obamas and the Bushes and the Clintons and the Bidens who have abused and and created their own uh executive orders and laws and mandates and rulings, and you know, Trump's using it against them, and I I just love it because Trump is doing an amazing job, and uh America is gonna be healed, but the world around us will be healed too, because we are the beacon and of light and hope for these other countries, and uh but you know, we didn't do some good things in in the past when with the bad poor leadership, and all that is getting ready to come out, and uh I can't wait, Rich.
• 39:37
  I'm looking forward to it.
• 39:40
  Yeah, I'm uh I'm I'm a big uh big believer in transparency.
• 39:46
  I mean uh uh just from what I've seen in my career, I would say um yeah, there are some there are some very very difficult truths uh that
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  You know, here's the thing.
• 40:02
  There, there are some things that would come out.
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  Like let's take the Epstein thing, for example, right?
• 40:07
  So I back early, back in the early part of my forensic training, there was this exercise.
• 40:16
  There's that there's a um there's a certification that you gotta get, and it's a it's a real, it's hard to get.
• 40:23
  It's called the NC.
• 40:24
  Uh it's not that great now, but it's it's or it's not that meaningful now, but back then it was you know the kind of the you know the Cadillac of these certs.
• 40:32
  So you always wanted to pass the test with a high score, it looked good, you know, the resume, blah, blah, blah.
• 40:38
  So I did practice sessions.
• 40:41
  Well, everyone said, hey, don't make forensic images of your own computer to do this thing, because you know what's there, you gotta do it in an environment that you don't know anything, do someone else's computer or do something else.
• 40:58
  I did the wiki leaks zip files of the Hillary email server.
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  Uh-huh.
• 41:08
  Um that was kind of my big wake-up moment.
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  I mean, I knew listen, there was no point in my life that I thought government was was not corrupt, right?
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  Like to me, right government by its nature becomes corrupt because you know, what else is it gonna do?
• 41:26
  It's just the natural progressive progression.
• 41:28
  It's that's why our founding fathers said you need to be vigilant, right?
• 41:32
  Like you, you I've given you a republic if you can keep it, right?
• 41:36
  That's it wasn't just you have republic, it's if the the we are tasked with with with stewardship every day, right?
• 41:44
  Like we we have to keep this republic, and that's you know, where that kind of journey for me started, and it was like a kick in the head, like holy crap, like this is way worse than I could have ever imagined.
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  And that was about two years before I got into some of the you know, human trafficking and and child abuse cases.
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  A lot of it, uh pretty much everything up to that point was you know info tech and you know, cybersecurity level stuff, red teaming, um, pen testing stuff.
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  But that was when you know, I was seeing that on one side, and then reading what was being talked about by what was supposed to be political leaders.
• 42:32
  By the way, the same the same political leaders that were basically demanding Trump disavow any kind of racial blah blah blah.
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  Like they're talking about they're using the N-word very, very easily in their conversations with each other, like very comfortably, right?
• 42:55
  In terms of talking about the vote and and stuff like that.
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  So, you know, it's things like it's just the insights like that.
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  Like, here's the thing, and and and maybe it's just my particular place on the spectrum that I think I learn more in the contrast of things than in the subtleties, right?
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  Like when something kind of shouts out at you, and you're like, wow, so this is I'm hearing the the politicians that are all claiming that they're the you know, on one side, like they're they're claiming to be righteous, right?
• 43:31
  Like they're the holier than thou, Trump's the racist, blah blah blah.
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  But here they are basically talking like they're what they're accusing him of.
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  And and then, you know, there's obviously there's the irony that you know, I don't think there's any other human being, single human being on planet earth that has as many black awards, like from black organizations as Trump, like the dude that they say is racist, right?
• 43:59
  Like I've been to Mar-Lago, like there's there's awards all over the place, like like you can see like he's been awarded black like awards from black organizations and and and and you know, black people, like why they're not if he was racist, they wouldn't be doing that, right?
• 44:14
  It doesn't make sense.
• 44:15
  Yeah, well, I've written about that too, and and I know there's a long list of not just blacks, but um, you know, Jewish and and other groups, yeah, any anything, yeah.
• 44:29
  Just being treating people, human beings like human beings.
• 44:33
  That that's what it is, and uh, but you know, yes, under the the past leadership that most people remember um, you know, from let's say the bushes, both the Bushes, the Clintons, and and Obama and uh and Biden, that's the Fox Garden of Hun House.
• 44:58
  Talk about um moving into the Republic because that's what we are.
• 45:03
  We're taking back our republic.
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  And um, I know that um I'm trying to think, what was the name of that group?
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  Um that you had talked about in one of your articles.
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  Uh the 917 society.
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  I know they're great.
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  Joni uh Brian is the most constitutional person you're ever gonna meet.
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  You if if you want to talk constitution, she's your one.
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  So uh the 917 society is basically all they do is give pocket constitutions to eighth graders.
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  Like that's it.
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  Like with obviously on Constitution Day, like I didn't know this because you know, obviously I'm stupid.
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  Um, but we have a constitution day, which is 917, which is why you know that's their name.
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  But uh yeah, and you would never know this in public school, but there's a mandate, there's a congressional mandate to to teach about the constitution on Constitution Day, and nobody does it.
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  So that's her that's her torch and her mission, and I think it's great.
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  Uh I work with them, I urge people to go to 917 Society.org and and help them out.
• 46:32
  All they're trying to do is put put the constitution in students' hands and say, this is your birthright, like this is how you understand how to deal with the system.
• 46:44
  Oh, yeah.
• 46:45
  Well, uh, you know, I've taught my grandchildren, the youngest is 13, and the oldest is 23.
• 46:54
  And since they were old enough to understand, of course, first, second, third grade, um, they know they know more than grown men and women, uh what's going on.
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  And they even look things up themselves, even like during COVID, you know, they said we need to take these pages and put them on our front window.
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  And I said, that's funny.
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  That's a conversation.
• 47:21
  I had with some of my friends, and because you know, my family lives up in uh the state of New York, and uh New York got hit hard with their uh governors and their uh leaders, lawbreakers, I should say, um, with uh just all these rogue activities that had taken place in this past century, and uh, but there is going to be military justice and accountability, and I'm looking forward to that.
• 47:58
  And so, Rich, tell us about your website and where people can find you.
• 48:05
  Uh well, nice and easy, just my name.com, Rich Washburn.com, uh spelled like the guitar or the university, W-A-S-H-B-U-R-N.
• 48:19
  And okay, so I'm looking at it, and you have a lot of good resources and articles.
• 48:28
  Thank you.
• 48:29
  And uh, so do you okay?
• 48:33
  So you don't get into politics, but politics is a part of everything that we do, of everything that's been taking place against President Trump since his first and second term in office.
• 48:48
  Personally, I wanted to ask you what burns you the most.
• 48:54
  Yeah.
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  The law fair, the the law fair, excuse me, the the law fair really does it for me.
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  It's um, you know, it's it's the same thing, it's the reason why I I was so you know, we're passionate about uh the chevron deference is it you're basically saying, okay, so your government has God mode access to every part of your life, no matter what is reasonable, ethical, legal, everything at the end of the day, even though you may follow that and win, at the end of the day, they can just magically wand whatever the outcome is in their favor.
• 49:37
  And you know, that was Chevron deference, and then the law fair was just more of that.
• 49:44
  It was it was a continuation of that.
• 49:47
  So it in my head, I'm thinking essentially the entire government.
• 49:52
  If you you look at, I mean, Trump is still trying to get rid of rogue, you know, people within the FBI and you know, within other agents.
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  So I mean the same thing that brings you the idea that it's okay to have Chevron deference or that it's okay that you know the the government or an agency or whatever can just magic wand the the truth into not truth or the not truth into truth you know that to me is just a I'm I'm an information guy and you know like so I grew up on log files and that there's probably I I'm sorry but there's probably only one person in your in your listeners that that may have gotten that and and that is everything that happens in a system is typically written down somewhere in a log, whether it's you know just time and date stamps or some other kind of information errors, whatever.
• 50:52
  And from my early days of just being uh, you know, the the kind of hacker that wasn't like the you know, the the doing that kind of cool stuff hacking, it was more just like taking stuff apart and breaking it and figuring out how it works and put it back together, that kind of hacking, to actually, you know, hacking and cybersecurity and the system administrations and stuff like that, like everything lives in the logs, right?
• 51:17
  The logs are true, and for someone to go in and monkey with the logs or to delete logs, and that's basically what's going on in our law in our legal system and in, you know, the the difference between the the governed and the people doing the governing is is essentially based on a stack of lies.
• 51:41
  Yeah, I agree with him.
• 51:43
  And that's to me, that's what's coming out.
• 51:45
  That's that's what Trump is unveiling.
• 51:48
  I think that's happening almost daily.
• 51:51
  Um, whether it be, you know, when you look at the LA riots and the and you know, uh ice in LA and that whole you know insanity, you know, the art that nobody was discussing, and I and I think I did an article on this.
• 52:05
  I I don't know which platform I did it on, but it was so nobody was covering the fact that there were Romanian, like big mansion style homes uh in LA that people just assumed were just big, you know, moguls, you know, super wealthy, whatever, who knows, and that was it.
• 52:27
  Big fancy cars, lots of them, you know, exotic pets from time to time, whatever, right?
• 52:32
  Everyone's in flashy clothes, you know.
• 52:34
  What's the difference between somebody dressed like uh uh an amped up Kardishan and a and a gangster, right?
• 52:42
  Like what's uh I can't, I don't know.
• 52:44
  I wouldn't be able to tell the difference, right?
• 52:46
  I mean, it's still gonna be something I wouldn't be wearing myself.
• 52:49
  That's that's how so I'm not assuming everyone's a international criminal or arms dealer.
• 52:54
  But turns out that's what they were doing, you know.
• 52:57
  Like we of course we want to get the illegal aliens out of here, and that is absolutely an issue, especially when you see all the crime that's going on that's not even being prosecuted, but you know, that of course that double standard as well.
• 53:10
  But then you've got the you know the the parts of the illegal immigration that are like international arms dealership and big time, dude.
• 53:20
  These Mexican drug cartels, those are those are not, those are like middle management.
• 53:26
  They were going after much bigger fish, but that was not widely covered.
• 53:32
  In fact, that was I would say barely covered.
• 53:36
  But everyone's protesting, hey, stop going after the you know, the poor Mexican, you know, illegals or you know, immigrants or migrants or whatever you want to call them.
• 53:46
  But nobody was saying, okay, listen, so obviously we we needed this because they're they're taking arms dealers out like three blocks from here.
• 53:56
  There's they're they're literally rolling tanks up to their gates and pushing the gates down and and march frog marching these dudes out, chained and blindfolded and bagged and like that wasn't covered.
• 54:10
  Like, but that's what we're after.
• 54:12
  That's the element we got those are the ones we got to get rid of, man.
• 54:14
  Because once you get rid of those, middle management starts collapsing.
• 54:18
  They like the ghetto, you know, level criminal stuff gets a lot of funding from that level.
• 54:29
  And if you get rid of that level, you you dry up the funds, and it makes it a lot easier to go and clean that up out of communities.
• 54:36
  Well, I'm hoping that all that will come out when they show who all these criminals were and when they're tried uh by uh military tribunals, and that is coming up over the winter time.
• 54:50
  Now, Rich, we're at our last few minutes.
• 54:53
  Uh a few words, remaining words to our listeners.
• 54:58
  Uh sure.
• 54:59
  Um, you know, obviously uh my my big thing is AI.
• 55:03
  I would urge everyone uh to to learn about this technology.
• 55:09
  Um at the end of the day, it's just a mirror of ourselves.
• 55:14
  You're you it's just a really good word predictor that is trained on every single thing that that mankind has ever produced, and it's never been trained on anything other than that because we don't have anything else to train it with.
• 55:28
  So it's literally a big, big, big stack of everything humanity's ever written, said, carved, shouted into the void, whatever printed.
• 55:40
  Which is why people think AI is woke, by the way, is because it you we trained it on a lot of left-leaning media, so it kind of slanted it that way.
• 55:48
  It's easy to fix.
• 55:50
  Um, but I use it for some some fairly hard right publications all the time, some of which I think you're familiar with.
• 55:58
  Um but yeah, so it's you know, learn it.
• 56:02
  It's it's a tool, it's it's um it's the greatest tool you're ever gonna find.
• 56:06
  Um, you can learn faster with it.
• 56:08
  I'm not saying, you know, join the AI cult.
• 56:11
  In fact, I be very, very wary of that.
• 56:14
  AI is is designed to you know be encouraging, so it sounds like it's a sycophantic kind of relationship.
• 56:22
  Avoid that.
• 56:23
  Um don't buy into it.
• 56:25
  Just make it it's an intern.
• 56:26
  It's just drop the A and treat it like I.
• 56:29
  It's intelligence, man.
• 56:30
  Just use it like a wrench that happens to be intelligent.
• 56:34
  Just use just do things like that.
• 56:36
  I I train people how to use this tool in their lives.
• 56:41
  Um call it a coach, call it a you know, but a training, a mentor, whatever, but I can tell you that uh every single person that I have uh a course with uh leaves it with the same impression that is you change my life.
• 57:01
  And I don't say that out of that's not a flex at all.
• 57:03
  I'm I'm extremely humbled by that.
• 57:06
  You know, we're gonna have you back again, my friend.
• 57:09
  And uh I want to thank you for coming on the show.
• 57:12
  My pleasure.
• 57:14
  And introducing yourself and and what you're about, and I want to thank our listeners too for uh joining us here at our family of America out loud.
• 57:26
  God bless you, God bless our military, our president Trump.
• 57:32
  Stay vigilant, my friends, my family.