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Unveiling Football's Past: The Significance of the First Touchdown Pass Caught Beyond the Goal Line · Sports History Network

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  You
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  know,
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  it's
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  been
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  said
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  if
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  you
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  don't
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  know
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  your
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  history,
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  you're
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  doomed
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  to
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  repeat
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  it.
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  And
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  so
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  studying
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  the
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  history
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  is
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  really
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  important.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  we'd
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  love
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  to
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  study
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  the
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  gridiron
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  history
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  not
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  only
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  to
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  try
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  to
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  prevent
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  mistakes,
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  but
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  just
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  fascinating
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  a
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  fun
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  even
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  the
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  current
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  modern
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  news
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  in
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  football.
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  we
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  have
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  a
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  gentleman
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  who
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  joins
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  each
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  Tuesday,
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  Timothy
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  of
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  footballarchaeology.com
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  deep
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  dusts
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  off
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  the
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  playbooks
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  find
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  these
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  exciting
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  pieces
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  of
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  history.
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  he's
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  joining
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  us
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  again
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  this
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  week.
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  Tim,
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  Pig
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  Pen.
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  Hey
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  there,
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  look.
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  Glad
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  to
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  be
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  here
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  and
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  hopefully
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  we
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  can
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  take
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  this
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  episode
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  over
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  the
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  line.
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  Over
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  the
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  line.
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  I
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  think
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  we
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  go
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  over
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  the
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  line
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  quite
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  a
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  bit
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  when
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  we
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  get
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  together,
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  that's
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  for
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  sure.
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  You
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  know,
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  you
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  have
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  a
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  great
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  story
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  that
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  I
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  guess
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  it's
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  one
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  of
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  those
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  things
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  that
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  probably
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  maybe
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  we
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  think
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  of
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  in
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  the
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  back
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  of
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  our
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  heads
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  but
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  never
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  really
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  comes
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  to,
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  the
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  front
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  our,
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  you
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  know,
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  thoughts.
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  And
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  that's
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  the
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  title
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  of
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  it
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  is
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  the
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  first
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  touchdown
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  pass
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  caught
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  in
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  the
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  End
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  Zone.
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  You
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  know,
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  this
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  is
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  a
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  pretty
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  big
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  moment
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  in
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  football
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  history.
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  And
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  what
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  can
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  you
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  tell
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  us
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  about
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  it?
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  Yeah,
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  so,
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  so
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  this
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  play
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  came
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  as
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  a
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  result
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  of
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  rule
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  changes
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  in
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  1912.
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  And
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  they,
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  they
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  made
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  a
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  number
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  of
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  changes
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  to
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  lessen
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  the
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  restrictions
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  on
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  the
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  forward
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  pass.
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  So
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  one
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  of
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  them
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  was
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  that
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  they
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  allowed
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  passes
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  to
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  be
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  thrown
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  more
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  than
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  20
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  yards
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  downfield.
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  That
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  had
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  been
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  a
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  rule
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  that
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  was
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  in
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  place
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  for
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  about
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  two
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  or
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  three
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  years.
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  They
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  also
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  created
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  end
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  zones
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  behind
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  the
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  goal
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  lines.
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  Those
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  didn't
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  exist
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  prior
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  to
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  1912.
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  And
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  in
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  creating
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  the
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  end
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  zones,
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  they
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  allowed
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  passes
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  to
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  be
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  thrown
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  and
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  caught
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  across
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  the
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  goal
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  line.
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  If
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  it,
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  if
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  a
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  pass
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  tumbled
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  over
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  the
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  goal
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  line
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  or
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  if
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  it
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  fell
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  incomplete
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  across
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  the
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  goal
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  line,
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  it
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  was
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  still
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  a
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  touchback,
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  just
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  as
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  any,
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  you
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  know,
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  any
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  pass
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  in
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  the
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  past
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  or
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  prior
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  to
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  1912,
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  any
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  pass
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  over
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  the
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  goal
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  line
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  had
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  been
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  a
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  touchback.
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  So,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  mean,
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  just
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  kind
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  of
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  the
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  way
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  I
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  think
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  I
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  sometimes
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  go,
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  okay,
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  well
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  they
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  created
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  this
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  thing
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  in
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  1912.
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  So
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  what
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  was
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  the
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  first
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  game
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  where
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  somebody
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  threw
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  forward
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  pass
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  and
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  caught
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  it
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  on
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  in
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  the
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  end
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  zone.
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  then
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  it's
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  like,
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  okay,
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  well
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  how
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  do
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  you
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  find
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  that?
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  Well,
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  I
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  had
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  previously
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  uncovered
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  what
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  I
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  believe
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  is
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  the
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  first
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  forward
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  pass
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  caught
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  in
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  a
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  regular
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  season
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  game.
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  So
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  it
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  wasn't
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  the
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  traditionally
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  the
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  story
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  was
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  it
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  was
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  St.
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  Louis,
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  you
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  and
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  Carol
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  in
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  Wisconsin
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  where
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  that
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  pass
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  occurred.
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  But
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  I
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  ended
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  up
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  finding
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  that
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  the
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  first
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  forward
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  Pass
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  actually
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  occurred
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  several
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  days
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  earlier
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  and
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  it
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  was
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  unh,
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  University
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  of
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  New
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  Hampshire
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  throwing
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  an
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  incomplete
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  pass
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  against
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  Maine,
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  you
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  know,
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  at
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  Maine.
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  So
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  so
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  basically
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  I
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  did
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  the
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  same
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  thing.
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  You
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  know,
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  I,
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  I
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  basically
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  went
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  to
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  like
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  late
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  August,
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  early
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  September
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  to
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  well
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  not
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  even
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  August
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  because
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  they
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  never
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  played
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  games
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  then.
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  But
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  I
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  looked
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  as
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  early
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  as
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  I
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  could
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  in
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  the
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  1912
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  season
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  to
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  try
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  to
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  find
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  the
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  first
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  games
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  and,
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  and
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  just
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  as
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  it
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  happened
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  in
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  1906
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  when
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  the
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  first
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  forward
• 4:10
  pass
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  was
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  thrown,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  the
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  earliest
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  games
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  were
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  Northeastern
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  games
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  and
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  especially
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  like
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  northern
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  New
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  England
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  because
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  I
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  guess
• 4:19
  it
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  snows
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  there,
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  you
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  know.
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  And
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  so
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  they
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  try
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  to,
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  they,
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  they
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  start
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  the
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  football
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  season
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  earlier
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  just
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  like
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  the
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  Canadians,
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  you
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  know,
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  just
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  to
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  avoid
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  some
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  bad
• 4:29
  weather
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  at
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  the
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  end
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  of
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  the
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  season
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  or
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  at
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  least.
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  Yeah,
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  my
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  assumption
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  they,
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  they
• 4:34
  did
• 4:34
  it
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  for
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  quite
• 4:34
  some
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  time.
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  So
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  anyways,
• 4:37
  I,
• 4:37
  you
• 4:37
  know,
• 4:37
  right
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  away
• 4:38
  when
• 4:38
  I
• 4:38
  was,
• 4:39
  was
• 4:39
  looking
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  found
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  this
• 4:40
  little
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  thing
• 4:40
  that
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  here's
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  five
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  games
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  this
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  weekend.
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  And
• 4:43
  so,
• 4:44
  and
• 4:44
  it,
• 4:45
  and
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  score,
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  results.
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  So
• 4:47
  Norwich
• 4:48
  played
• 4:49
  unh,
• 4:49
  scoreless
• 4:50
  tie.
• 4:50
  So
• 4:51
  no
• 4:52
  touchdown
• 4:53
  pass
• 4:53
  in
• 4:53
  that
• 4:53
  game.
• 4:54
  Bates
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  played
• 4:55
  Main
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  Central
• 4:56
  Institute.
• 4:57
  Bates
• 4:57
  blew
• 4:58
  him
• 4:58
  out.
• 4:58
  Main
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  Central
• 4:59
  Institute
• 4:59
  was
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  actually
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  like
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  a
• 5:00
  prep
• 5:00
  school
• 5:02
  but
• 5:02
  it
• 5:03
  said,
• 5:03
  you
• 5:03
  know,
• 5:03
  Bates
• 5:04
  played
• 5:04
  straight
• 5:05
  football,
• 5:05
  meaning
• 5:05
  they
• 5:05
  didn't
• 5:06
  throw
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  ball
• 5:07
  and
• 5:07
  you
• 5:07
  know,
• 5:07
  walloped
• 5:08
  them.
• 5:09
  Then
• 5:09
  Rhode
• 5:10
  Island
• 5:10
  UMass
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  only
• 5:12
  one
• 5:12
  score.
• 5:13
  Rhode
• 5:13
  island
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  scored
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  on
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  a
• 5:14
  running
• 5:14
  play.
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  Carlisle
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  Albright.
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  And
• 5:19
  again
• 5:19
  not
• 5:19
  a
• 5:19
  lot
• 5:19
  of
• 5:20
  information
• 5:20
  but
• 5:20
  the,
• 5:20
  you
• 5:21
  know,
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  game
• 5:22
  description
• 5:23
  said
• 5:23
  that
• 5:23
  Carla
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  played
• 5:24
  straight
• 5:25
  or
• 5:25
  did
• 5:25
  not
• 5:25
  resort
• 5:26
  to
• 5:26
  trick
• 5:26
  plays.
• 5:27
  You
• 5:27
  know,
• 5:27
  back
• 5:27
  then
• 5:28
  passing,
• 5:29
  you
• 5:29
  know,
• 5:29
  might
• 5:29
  have
• 5:29
  been
• 5:29
  considered
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  trick
• 5:30
  play.
• 5:31
  So
• 5:32
  then
• 5:32
  we're
• 5:32
  left
• 5:32
  with
• 5:32
  Maine
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  versus
• 5:33
  Fort
• 5:34
  McKinley.
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  And
• 5:36
  the
• 5:37
  story,
• 5:38
  the
• 5:39
  newspaper
• 5:39
  story
• 5:39
  said
• 5:40
  one
• 5:40
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• 5:41
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• 8:25
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  issues,
• 10:13
  stadiums
• 10:13
  in
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  fields,
• 10:14
  how
• 10:14
  those
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  all,
• 10:15
  how
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  equipment
• 10:15
  evolved,
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:17
  so,
• 10:17
  and
• 10:18
  just
• 10:18
  kind
• 10:18
  of
• 10:18
  marry
• 10:19
  up
• 10:19
  the.
• 10:19
  What
• 10:19
  was
• 10:20
  happening
• 10:20
  in
• 10:20
  each
• 10:20
  era,
• 10:21
  you
• 10:22
  know,
• 10:22
  on
• 10:22
  each
• 10:22
  of
• 10:22
  those
• 10:22
  different,
• 10:24
  you
• 10:24
  know,
• 10:24
  those
• 10:25
  different
• 10:25
  aspects
• 10:26
  of
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  game.
• 10:26
  So
• 10:26
  anyways,
• 10:27
  it's
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  fun
• 10:27
  read,
• 10:28
  you
• 10:28
  know,
• 10:28
  fairly
• 10:28
  light
• 10:29
  hearted,
• 10:29
  but
• 10:29
  there,
• 10:29
  there
• 10:29
  is
• 10:30
  a
• 10:30
  lot
• 10:30
  of
• 10:30
  information
• 10:30
  in
• 10:31
  there.
• 10:31
  Yeah,
• 10:32
  it
• 10:32
  definitely,
• 10:33
  it's
• 10:33
  a,
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  mean
• 10:33
  if
• 10:33
  you
• 10:34
  really
• 10:34
  want
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  get
• 10:34
  the
• 10:34
  basics
• 10:35
  of
• 10:35
  how
• 10:36
  football
• 10:36
  evolved
• 10:37
  to
• 10:37
  what
• 10:37
  it
• 10:37
  is
• 10:37
  today,
• 10:38
  I,
• 10:38
  it's
• 10:39
  what
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  would
• 10:39
  recommend
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  do.
• 10:40
  You
• 10:40
  get
• 10:40
  the,
• 10:40
  the
• 10:41
  full
• 10:41
  gamut
• 10:41
  and,
• 10:42
  and
• 10:42
  you
• 10:42
  know,
• 10:42
  you
• 10:43
  are,
• 10:43
  you're,
• 10:44
  you're
• 10:44
  not
• 10:44
  too
• 10:45
  conceited
• 10:46
  or
• 10:46
  too
• 10:46
  proud
• 10:47
  to,
• 10:47
  to
• 10:47
  know
• 10:47
  when,
• 10:48
  you
• 10:48
  know,
• 10:48
  you
• 10:48
  wrote
• 10:48
  that
• 10:49
  book
• 10:49
  but
• 10:49
  10,
• 10:50
  15
• 10:50
  years
• 10:50
  ago,
• 10:51
  probably
• 10:51
  now,
• 10:52
  I
• 10:52
  don't
• 10:53
  remember,
• 10:53
  I
• 10:53
  don't
• 10:53
  know
• 10:53
  Exactly.
• 10:54
  It
• 10:54
  was
• 10:54
  2000,
• 10:54
  I
• 10:55
  published
• 10:55
  it.
• 10:55
  So
• 10:55
  yeah,
• 10:56
  25
• 10:56
  years
• 10:57
  ago.
• 10:57
  So
• 10:57
  you're
• 10:58
  constantly
• 10:59
  finding
• 10:59
  information,
• 11:00
  you
• 11:00
  know,
• 11:00
  just
• 11:00
  like
• 11:01
  you,
• 11:01
  you
• 11:01
  talked
• 11:01
  about
• 11:01
  earlier
• 11:02
  here
• 11:02
  about,
• 11:02
  you
• 11:03
  know,
• 11:03
  the
• 11:03
  forward
• 11:03
  pass.
• 11:04
  You,
• 11:04
  you,
• 11:04
  you
• 11:04
  corrected
• 11:05
  that
• 11:05
  a
• 11:05
  couple
• 11:05
  times
• 11:06
  through
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  first
• 11:07
  world
• 11:07
  pass.
• 11:07
  And
• 11:08
  you
• 11:08
  talk
• 11:08
  about
• 11:09
  that
• 11:09
  not
• 11:09
  only
• 11:09
  in
• 11:10
  your
• 11:10
  tidbits,
• 11:10
  you
• 11:10
  talk
• 11:10
  about
• 11:11
  it
• 11:11
  here
• 11:11
  on
• 11:11
  this
• 11:11
  program.
• 11:12
  And
• 11:12
  I've
• 11:12
  heard
• 11:12
  you
• 11:13
  on
• 11:13
  other
• 11:13
  talks
• 11:14
  too
• 11:15
  of,
• 11:15
  you
• 11:15
  know,
• 11:15
  telling
• 11:16
  things
• 11:16
  because
• 11:17
  history
• 11:17
  is
• 11:18
  a
• 11:18
  dynamic
• 11:18
  thing.
• 11:19
  As
• 11:19
  we
• 11:20
  learn
• 11:20
  more
• 11:20
  about
• 11:20
  it
• 11:21
  and
• 11:21
  you
• 11:21
  know,
• 11:21
  have
• 11:22
  more
• 11:22
  information
• 11:22
  out
• 11:23
  there
• 11:23
  in
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  computer
• 11:24
  age,
• 11:24
  we're
• 11:25
  learning
• 11:25
  new
• 11:25
  things
• 11:25
  and
• 11:26
  it's
• 11:26
  a
• 11:26
  great
• 11:26
  thing
• 11:26
  to
• 11:27
  always
• 11:27
  try
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  get
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  history
• 11:28
  right.
• 11:29
  Yep.
• 11:29
  Well,
• 11:29
  our
• 11:29
  episode
• 11:30
  two
• 11:30
  weeks
• 11:30
  from
• 11:31
  now
• 11:31
  will
• 11:32
  cover
• 11:32
  a
• 11:33
  similar
• 11:33
  issue.
• 11:34
  I
• 11:35
  don't
• 11:35
  know
• 11:35
  if
• 11:35
  I
• 11:35
  need
• 11:35
  to
• 11:35
  update
• 11:36
  it
• 11:36
  or
• 11:36
  not,
• 11:36
  but
• 11:37
  we'll
• 11:37
  talk
• 11:37
  about
• 11:37
  it.
• 11:38
  All
• 11:38
  right.
• 11:39
  Well,
• 11:39
  there's
• 11:39
  our
• 11:39
  tease.
• 11:40
  And
• 11:40
  you
• 11:41
  know,
• 11:41
  but
• 11:41
  we
• 11:41
  have
• 11:41
  an
• 11:41
  episode
• 11:42
  next
• 11:42
  Tuesday,
• 11:42
  too.
• 11:43
  And
• 11:43
  stay
• 11:44
  tuned
• 11:44
  for
• 11:44
  two
• 11:44
  weeks
• 11:44
  from
• 11:45
  now
• 11:45
  when
• 11:45
  Tim
• 11:45
  will
• 11:46
  have
• 11:46
  this
• 11:46
  big
• 11:46
  reveal.
• 11:46
  Tim,
• 11:47
  we
• 11:47
  appreciate
• 11:47
  you
• 11:47
  joining
• 11:48
  us
• 11:48
  today
• 11:48
  and
• 11:49
  we'll
• 11:49
  talk
• 11:49
  to
• 11:49
  you
• 11:49
  again
• 11:49
  next
• 11:50
  week.
• 11:50
  Very
• 11:50
  good.
• 11:50
  Thanks
• 11:51
  there.
• 11:52
  That's
• 11:53
  all
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  football
• 11:53
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• 11:53
  we
• 11:54
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• 11:54
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• 11:54
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• 11:54
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• 11:55
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• 11:55
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• 11:55
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• 11:56
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• 11:56
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• 11:56
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• 11:56
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• 11:57
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• 11:57
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• 11:59
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• 11:59
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