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WHY RAT BIG? Rat King, Baba & the New Deadlock Meta · Dadlock — A Deadlock Podcast for the Rest of Us

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  Welcome to Deadlock! It's me, Omnistar! And I'm
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  joined by the extremely verbose Yarn. And apparently
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  I'm ascending to a new level of Super Saiyan.
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  But a new patch has come. Technically, I think
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  that's what they're called right when they release
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  a character. But we're stewing in the major update.
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  There's Red King and Baba. And a lot has happened.
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  So let's jump into it! Get in the van! Today's
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  date is the 7th of October, 2026, and there's
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  a lot to talk about. I think you have some thoughts
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  about one Rat King. Rat King? He's the king of
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  the rats. Should he have been voiced by Theo
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  Von? We're not sure. I think that... You mentioned
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  this the other day, we were talking. He feels
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  maybe like he almost is not a character from
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  this game, which is interesting. How do you feel
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  about that? Do you feel like that I'm... Because
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  I still feel that way when I play him and see
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  him. He feels like he's from a different game.
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  I feel like and I said this to you at the time,
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  but I feel like he feels to me like an easier
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  warden in some ways less CC, but just that kind
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  of like gun tank archetype. Yeah. What about
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  the way he looks? Let's let's I fucking love
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  the way if we're talking about yeah, if it's
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  character design, I feel like he's like one of
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  the most interesting characters. And you mentioned
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  that you thought he's too big. I feel like that
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  I wonder if maybe the model was smaller when
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  they started making him and now it's bigger because
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  they were like, he has to be huge or else he's
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  too tanky. You know what I mean? Dude, he's so
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  big. He takes up like a whole like third of the
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  screen, it feels like. And he towers over even
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  like Abrams, which is insane. Like I and then
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  his cape like obscures so much. I think if they
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  like there's almost a part of me that's like
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  I want a mod that just gets rid of the cape.
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  And then I'd be okay. You know what I mean? The
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  capes fucking huge. Yeah, in the screen. I think
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  a lot of people would like the field of view
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  on the game to be a little wider than 90. You
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  can put it in with like, command, whatever, but
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  I have not gone that deep. So I mean, I like
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  in terms of I think to be clear, I think he looks
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  cool. And I think his abilities are cool. I like
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  him as a character. I just there's something
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  about the way he looks that doesn't It breaks
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  convention with some of the other animalistic
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  characters in the game. But also, like, who knows?
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  They might change those characters later on.
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  But he feels like from he feels like I'm watching
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  like a character ripped out of like a old school,
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  like animated, you know, 90s movie or something
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  about like the rats control New York or something,
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  which is both fun and at the same time feels
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  very different. You know, I mean, I just. fucking
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  love how much they're leaning into the like New
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  York aspect of all of it. Lore wise, I think
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  it's very, very cool. You know, they just make
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  up words Ratania and all of a sudden this is
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  like a new part of the lore, right? It is interesting,
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  though, in terms of what sort of anthropomorphized
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  characters actually live in this world, because
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  up till now, I thought it was mostly just like.
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  Billy seems to have changed his head into a goat
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  magically, so he's not a goat person. Yeah, something
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  like that. And I don't even know what Rem is.
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  Like, I haven't looked into it too deeply. But
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  now it's like there are anthropomorphized rats.
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  And I mean, we're getting into the goofy sort
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  of Pluto situation. If you guys aren't aware,
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  you know, the goofy Pluto thing. So Goofy is
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  a dog and Pluto is also a dog. Is that what you're
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  talking about? Yes, and one of them is anthropomorphized
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  So now we're getting into like there's regular
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  rats and there's a rat king who's like a guy,
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  right? So it's yeah, we haven't I haven't we
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  try not to look at the lore So we save it for
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  the lore section when we like we're surprised
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  by it or whatever But I'm sure there's a reason
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  why he's bigger than most other rats Just the
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  same reason with like Moe from Moe and Krill,
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  right? He's a giant man Yeah, I guess he's anthropomorphized
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  too. Yeah. Yeah, but he might be from like a
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  race of mole men. Who knows? The more I'm thinking
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  about it, the more I'm realizing that there's
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  actually a ton of because there's also Viper.
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  And there's also like, who else? Anyway, so maybe
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  being anthropomorphized, but like, are there
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  regular snakes, too? Or is it all just like snake
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  people? I mean, I have a feeling that all the
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  characters in this game are explicitly exceptional.
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  It's more just that I like I think that there's
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  something about the way that the level of detail
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  he has and stuff like that just feels a little
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  bit. But I also think it's mostly the size. I
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  think that there's something about the size of
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  him that feels Gargantuan right like yeah, just
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  so unbelievably big The The other thing I was
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  gonna say is that you know, obviously we have
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  The and what I think is a complete different
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  feeling as Baba is out and Baba to me could not
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  feel more Like she fits in the game, right? It's
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  like you're talking about New York stuff and
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  all that but she's like it feels like such a
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  Classic Deadline character already even after
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  coming up for one day Yeah, and one question
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  I had for you because I didn't play much Dota
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  or League was that is Baba similar to any Dota
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  or League characters in terms of like her stealing
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  spirit power and kind of leading people back
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  into little like melee traps? There's definitely
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  a combination of characters that are similar
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  here. Like I think that there's definitely it's
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  I would say I think her I think it all plays
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  very differently in a third person or like, you
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  know, like kind of over the shoulder feeling
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  because her spirit steal, her one is very unique.
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  It shoots out in the line. It runs across the
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  floor and anyone that touches it like that's
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  totally unique, I think, to this game. I don't
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  think I can think of another character that does
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  that. There are characters that passively or
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  actively steal spirit power, you know, mystic
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  or whatever you want to call it. the depending
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  what game you're in, but the I mean she gets
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  spirit sap for free and like more powerful right
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  and and I don't know about you if I'm in lane
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  and I'm Mina I'm you know any of these like maybe
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  Calico Apollo if somebody has spirit sap on you
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  you're like you just god damn it like great and
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  by the way like the the long legs thing with
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  the melee like that's that all feels very unique
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  and different like there might be characters
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  that have like ground pounds and things like
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  that. But like it just playing it in deadlock
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  and in this type of like viewpoint and you know,
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  is just so different than it. To me, this feels
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  like a very original character in a lot of ways.
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  Yeah, sure. I'm also I'm kind of wondering for
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  the listeners to like, if they would want us
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  to go through Yeah, the kids, the kids, they
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  want us to go through all of the abilities because
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  like we're talking about long legs right now.
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  It's like, for somebody who hasn't played in
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  like a week or whatever, that probably just sounds
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  insane. But like, she looks on her bed, Baba
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  rides around on a bench and the wrought iron
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  legs actually grow to like twice their size and
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  you get a big speed boost, you get a jump boost.
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  You can kind of do that Baptiste thing from Overwatch
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  where you hold crouch and then like, boy, boying
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  like bounce into the air and then you get like
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  a big ground pound a la Mario. I mean, her heavy
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  melee is just changed into literally you automatically
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  fly up into the air and smash on the ground just
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  by holding heavy melee, which is sick. And then
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  the movement tech that I've already seen people
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  doing with her is insane. Like she's on that
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  character. Melee build right away. Get it done.
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  Stat. Get it. Get me pictures of Baba with a
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  melee build right now. Get Peter Parker in here.
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  Parker. But I was just blown away that Baba made
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  it in as the second character. Like everyone
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  knew Rat King was coming. And I'm almost like,
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  I almost wonder what streamers or like what affiliation
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  of streamers like number of streamers were pulling
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  for Baba because I'm like, it's just interesting.
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  She's an interesting character design for sure.
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  And you mentioned this before, like, she's more
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  interesting than like most of the other characters.
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  But I still thought people would be like, No,
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  dude, I want a cool guy. That's why I thought
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  for sure dead man Danny or Solomon was next.
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  My favorite, my favorite meme that came out after
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  she was picked was like, of course, the goon
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  slop character one. Yeah. I mean, like Rat King
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  was inevitable, but like I said, I the other
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  day I called out, I was like, I called you and
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  I was like, like, is Baba out yet or whatever?
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  And you're like, well, they haven't announced
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  what character it was. And then it ended up being
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  Baba. But I think I might have I was just subconsciously
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  going off of the voting badges that you see at
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  the end, where I was like, there's a lot of Baba
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  here and my own, you know, bias of being pro
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  Baba. have voted for no one but Solomon and that's
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  also because I've gotten into chess recently
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  and I just am interested and I'm curious what
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  his whole thing is gonna be somebody was making
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  the joke that his alt will just be a game of
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  bullet chess which would be fucking great but
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  that's very unlikely my real -life son has recently
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  gotten the chess he's a single digits age and
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  he they have a chess club at their school and
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  he calls it chest So he says, Dad, I'm into chests.
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  And I'm like, yeah, me too, son. Me too. Hell
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  yeah, brother. High five, kid. Get in here. Black,
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  white, doesn't matter. I like them all. Yeah.
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  The I also would say I told you this earlier,
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  but I said I'd save it for this conversation
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  is that. There is I'm sure in the 10 ,000 voice
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  lines for everyone that they added that there's
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  like all kinds of spoilers and you know people
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  alluding to new characters, but there's a interaction
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  with Billy and Baba where they ask you know Billy's
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  like oh I can't believe I'm meeting the you know
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  Central Park pigeon lady. This is crazy and Baba's
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  like oh, you're so sweet Is that what they call
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  me and he's like yeah, you're a legend. He's
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  like hey is the Is the crazy guy with the like
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  the doomsday guy out here who yells in the middle
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  of the street and she goes, oh, Jerry, he better
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  not be here. Yeah. And they like kind of allude
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  to like, he's like, well, that'd be sick if he
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  was. And he's like, well, for his sake, he better
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  not ever show his face to me. I was like, damn,
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  dude, if they have the crazy doomsday homeless
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  guy on the street, like as a character in this
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  game, that'd be sick. Dude, they better. That'd
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  be amazing. In Boston, what was he called, like
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  Screaming Phil or what? I can't remember this
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  guy. There was this guy, there was a guy who
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  used to hang around Park Street and go like,
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  spare any change, spare any change. So like everybody
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  knows him that would walk around Boston Common
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  for any reason. There's a dude, there's a one
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  of the cities I lived in, there was a guy who
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  literally would just start talking to you explicitly
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  when you went up to the, like if you cross the
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  street, he'd be like, are you having a good day?
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  Are you worried about the Lord and the end of
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  the world? It's coming. And he'd like look at
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  you and point at you and he'd comment. on the
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  specific food you were eating or whatever you
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  were drinking, and be like, is that a delicious
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  sandwich? Is something about that level of intimacy
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  with someone like that? You're like, I just would
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  go around the block to avoid him, because I didn't
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  want to interact with that. Yeah. He's basically
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  doing crowd work. He's just taking you with the
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  Patriots hat. You look like a blue collar guy.
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  What's your name, Jeff? And then he goes into
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  his regular material. The world's going to end.
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  The by the way, I just wanted to take a moment
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  to say that we've gotten a lot of people listening
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  to the podcast from all over the world to dad
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  up with all the crazy plans and things we have
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  help support us and and grow what we do I don't
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  if you want to say anything about that YouTube
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  discord only fans everywhere. Yeah, wait I Said
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  something I posted something on tik -tok that
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  got taken down and it was a clip of us talking
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  about Baba's huge slang Baba Yeah, and it ticked
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  off took it down But the text said if you make
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  this into fan art this audio clip, I'll send
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  you a picture of my feet painted blue And none
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  of that got through the filter so No one probably
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  said that. Well, for your children's sake, I'm
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  glad it didn't get through. Hey, you know what?
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  There's nothing wrong with a nice pair of blue
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  painted feet. And I would do it. I was going
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  to fully commit. And also, there's no way your
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  kids are on TikTok. So that's another good thing.
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  Thank God. I mean, our children are on TikTok.
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  The kids spread arms and gestures widely. The
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  children, the kids. Your children, your heinous
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  little dolls you keep in that room of blocks.
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  Gross. Don't mention that on air, please. I have
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  no problem playing with dolls, but I've seen
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  those things. They have human eyes. Like a doll's
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  at this point. Bakers and Internist players assemble.
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  It is Breadlock. The thing I was going to say
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  was that you've played quite a bit more than
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  me. I've played a good handful of games since
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  everything's come out, but I think you had some
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  thoughts about the meta and... you know, kind
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  of like the lower ELO stuff that we talk about
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  and like where that is. So there's lots of, so
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  there's a couple of disclaimers here, which is
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  that we are not talking about the meta for, you
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  know, God love them, all these streamers, the
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  Deathys and the SKs and all these people who
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  are wonderful and their content's great, but
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  they're playing at a level that is like not gonna
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  be attainable for most people. And so if you
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  want to have fun playing the game and win some
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  games, there's like a whole literally just everything
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  from like Phantom and lower. There's going to
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  be a bit of a change for your play style and
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  what you're wanting to do and pick characters
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  you want to pick. And for instance, somebody
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  making a tier list for a turn this might not
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  say Hayes is overpowered. I've never heard any
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  attorney say Hayes is overpowered. Right. And
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  yet and yet. in every game some, you know, haze
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  or Wraith just takes over. It's okay if people
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  on the other team, if there's a haze in the other
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  team that's fed and the rest of the team isn't
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  doing that much, the KDA is not there, they're
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  missing all of their utility, they're missing
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  a lot of their CC, it's totally okay to buy that
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  metal skin. You know what I mean? It really is.
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  And I know that I know from my own journey through
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  deadlock, active items can be a little bit tough
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  for people starting off. But like, Literally
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  hold it until she tries to alt you and then pop
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  that metal skin and you just live. I mean, you
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  know, this goes into a larger conversation of
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  something that like we've noticed, because like
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  I'll play with you and or we'll play standard
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  games or something like that. And we see that
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  there's like there's people who obviously AFK
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  down land and do whatever they want. You're never
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  going to know those people. Those people have
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  to help themselves before you can help them.
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  Right. Sure. the like once they're getting into
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  like people who want to get better at the game
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  and they're in the low yellow, like there's a
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  part of me that's just like, first of all, like
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  stay back behind your wave, whatever. Right.
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  We talked about that before. But like when it
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  comes to buying and countering and what do you
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  do and all this stuff, because people like very
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  quickly give up and go, there's nothing we can
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  do. These you have to remember that, like at
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  higher levels of play, like to your point earlier,
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  Hayes is not. that big of a deal because you
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  don't want to force feed her and get her to pop
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  off, right? That's a whole separate issue. But
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  she's easy to counter, all things considered.
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  There are characters that are way harder, that
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  are much harder to counter if they get fed, right?
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  Like, countering a very fed Calico is going to
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  be way harder because she's going to come at
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  you really hard. She's going to attack the people
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  who are weaker on the team. But when it comes
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  to Hayes, it's just like, just back up, get out
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  of the way. You know what I mean? Like, you giving
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  her space and then counter buying or you're playing
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  against someone who you can buy knockdown. Make
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  sure you or someone else buys knockdown and you
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  save it for the exact moment that you need it
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  for. Right. Because that's that's just an easy.
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  It goes from being like, how do we do anything
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  to being like, wow, I win every match now because
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  I'm knocking down seven or or bebop or whoever.
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  Right. Yeah. And dear listener, you may be better
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  at the game than us. But I mean, for the listener
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  that is like kind of getting it together and
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  just like interested, you know, I have this thought
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  in my head that is a metaphor of a yin yang.
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  right? So in the world of MOBAs, if somebody
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  is pushing the left lane, right, you can kind
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  of think about that as like sort of the black
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  part of the yin yang that's pushing up. So what
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  happens? You're pushing up on that lane, the
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  other lane is probably especially if you have
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  like four people on your lane, you're putting
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  a lot of energy and effort into it, they're going
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  to push somewhere else. And if they're not, then
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  they're just really, really horrible. But like,
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  think about that for yourself, you see your team
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  on the other side of the map. You can't get there
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  in time. You're pushing the whole team's pushing
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  left lane. They're on a team fight that you kind
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  of feel like that's not going to go well. Just
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  push the lane you're in because you know that
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  less people are going to be there. I was going
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  to say that the to talk about what you're talking
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  about and just a completely separate way to is
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  like people will oftentimes show up elite to
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  things. Right. Yeah. If you have to be predicting
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  where you need to go, the waves coming to Greenwich.
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  and it's coming, it's almost there, you gotta,
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  someone's gotta go there, we can't lose that
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  tower, right? If that's the only tower left and
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  there's people fighting on blue, let the people
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  fight on blue. Now, if you're like the thing
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  that's gonna push it over, maybe, but it's at
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  the end of the day, is it really gonna be worth
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  losing the tower and also potentially that team
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  fight, right? You have to kind of make a snap
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  judgment call of being like, how do I, you have
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  to have a cue in your head of being like, what
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  are the most significant things for us to get
• 18:49
  and what are the most significant things and
• 18:51
  damaging things for us to lose? And once you
• 18:53
  have that in your head, you can look at the map
• 18:55
  and go, OK, well, we lost every other guardian
• 18:57
  and now we're going to walker. Right. You lost
• 18:59
  every single guardian and walker except for one.
• 19:02
  And we I have to go there because there's a,
• 19:04
  you know, a drifter pushing it solo, which means
• 19:06
  that if you don't go there, he's just going to
• 19:08
  take it. And you look at the team fight in the,
• 19:11
  you know, happening somewhere else on the map.
• 19:12
  You're like, I don't know if I can win that.
• 19:14
  So make a judgment call. And then whatever you
• 19:16
  do, at least you you made the decision to do
• 19:19
  what you ended up committing to. Right. Check
• 19:22
  I check him with myself every like 15 seconds
• 19:24
  like okay And I just asked this question Would
• 19:28
  it have been better to just be getting boxes
• 19:30
  right now? You know every 15 seconds how many
• 19:34
  souls can you get in 15 seconds on boxes a decent
• 19:37
  amount? How many souls am I getting from the
• 19:39
  kill that I'm splitting with four people on blue
• 19:41
  because I just keep fighting and chasing this
• 19:43
  one Victor You're not getting the souls you're
• 19:46
  not This is a difficult one because there's people
• 19:48
  who do that in the opposite direction where they
• 19:49
  just afk That's true. That's true. I mean, I
• 19:54
  feel like some of it's just game sense and getting
• 19:58
  a getting more hours in the game and being like,
• 20:00
  Oh, I mean, that Victor actually, he has no alt.
• 20:04
  He's half health. There's already two people
• 20:06
  on them. I'm just going to jump out of the doubles,
• 20:09
  you know, room and pop them right that that's
• 20:12
  and it's about your character. What else do I
• 20:14
  have? What do I have something with heel, you
• 20:16
  know, heel reduction, whatever. Yeah, no, it's
• 20:19
  true and the you know, sole economy and all that
• 20:21
  stuff of who's fed and who's not Yeah, the idea
• 20:24
  the um, the other thing I was gonna say just
• 20:26
  like to segue into talking about because like
• 20:28
  right now the lower ranks It feels like they
• 20:31
  are just an absolute slog to get through and
• 20:34
  climb through grind grind grind grind grind grind
• 20:36
  And then also you're stuck playing with people
• 20:39
  who have played the game a bunch and know that
• 20:40
  enough of the game But maybe they don't always
• 20:42
  make like the best decisions or whatever You've
• 20:44
  got people who are I think playing totally normal
• 20:46
  and should be getting out And then I there are
• 20:48
  people who literally have like have drool. I
• 20:51
  mean, there's people who have no idea what they're
• 20:52
  doing and they know that. And then there's the
• 20:54
  other people who think they have an idea what
• 20:55
  they're doing and they're just drooling and like
• 20:57
  smashing the keyboard and like raging at everybody
• 21:00
  and, you know, saying slurs and stuff like that.
• 21:02
  And that is the seemingly, you know, the first
• 21:05
  like three lower ranks. Just that's just what
• 21:07
  it is right now, which is like real rough, because
• 21:09
  how do you you have to be real strong to carry
• 21:12
  your way out of that shit? Yeah, I mean, I had
• 21:15
  an infernus in a game the other day. rat king
• 21:19
  from blue goes into his lane on green or yellow,
• 21:21
  whatever. And he takes he ganks, and then he
• 21:24
  stays for the wave. And he says he makes a calm
• 21:26
  he's like, you know, let's push Guardian. A minute
• 21:30
  later, after the kind of a failed Guardian push,
• 21:33
  whatever. The Infernus just starts raging and
• 21:38
  being like, you messed up my economy for the
• 21:40
  whole game. And it's like, he was in your lane
• 21:43
  for a minute. And I'm talking about we're at
• 21:46
  we're still in game at like 40 minutes 41 minutes.
• 21:48
  He's still complaining about that. Yeah, I understand
• 21:52
  the early game is important. Like it definitely
• 21:54
  is important right now. Arguably too important.
• 21:57
  I think that the comeback mechanics are probably
• 21:59
  not good enough right now. But like, holy shit,
• 22:03
  dude, get over it. Go farm something. Yeah, no,
• 22:06
  it's definitely I think that though, I mean,
• 22:08
  the rank season, like I said, got extended into
• 22:10
  November. And then I think that they're gonna
• 22:12
  I wouldn't be surprised if something Changes
• 22:14
  I my personal take on this and people are gonna
• 22:17
  probably hate this but I think they should reset
• 22:19
  everyone and drop them all back down and Then
• 22:21
  make the time to get so like in other games usually
• 22:24
  the time to get out of the lowest ranks is faster
• 22:27
  If you can win, you know ten games in a row That
• 22:31
  should be enough to get you out of you know a
• 22:34
  lower rank, right? Like it's not something that
• 22:36
  you should be committing to 30 games 30 wins
• 22:40
  and then however many other games that you're
• 22:44
  not losing, right? Yeah. Because like that at
• 22:47
  that point, to just get out of brick. Well, you've
• 22:49
  shown your competent if you can get, you know,
• 22:52
  a dozen wins in a row or something like that,
• 22:55
  like any more than that is just like grind, grind,
• 22:58
  grind. And there's nothing that doesn't it doesn't
• 23:00
  this game doesn't reward you for grinding yet.
• 23:02
  You know what I mean? Well, and it's also like,
• 23:05
  I mean, the classic thing of it doesn't have
• 23:08
  any kind of system for. taking value from what
• 23:12
  a character has done versus just winning the
• 23:15
  game. So like, if you are a rem main or a page
• 23:19
  man or whatever, I'm not saying it's going to
• 23:20
  be those characters actually might be pretty
• 23:24
  good to climb with just because they provide
• 23:26
  so much value. But like, you know, I for for
• 23:29
  myself, I know I just win way more games on Wraith
• 23:32
  than I do other characters. It doesn't mean I
• 23:33
  want to play Wraith every game. You know what
• 23:35
  I mean? Well, I have a thing that I Was thinking
• 23:40
  about that. I talked to you about that. I I'm
• 23:42
  wondering how you feel about it now after you've
• 23:44
  played a bit, which is that the map I have thoughts
• 23:48
  about. I think it's beautiful. I think it looks
• 23:52
  really cool. The amount of additional geometry
• 23:55
  on the floor in certain places and on walls and
• 23:58
  on corners of stuff is killing me. Like it's
• 24:01
  like killing some of my movement. It's like making
• 24:03
  it hard to play some characters like the tree
• 24:05
  on Greenwich that is in like the Midland area.
• 24:08
  where you have to go over all the routes and
• 24:10
  your character models like going up and down
• 24:12
  like that shit kills me when I'm sliding and
• 24:14
  stuff. How do you feel about all that stuff?
• 24:16
  I mean, it's been seemingly a direct nerf to
• 24:19
  Moe, who would love to burrow. Yeah. Indirect
• 24:24
  for sure. And then for the most part, I think
• 24:28
  I don't know how I feel about it yet, because
• 24:31
  like, you know, I had memorized a lot of little
• 24:34
  get out positions in the old map and You know,
• 24:37
  it's like I'm nostalgic for the old map. Now
• 24:39
  I'm looking up like, you know, you see a video
• 24:41
  of like anything from over a week ago, whatever.
• 24:43
  And it's like, yeah, it's very, very different.
• 24:48
  I I think that they I might have I kind of almost
• 24:51
  feel like they did too much a little bit. I think
• 24:53
  that the visual stuff and I think adding and
• 24:55
  cleaning and refining some of like them or the
• 24:58
  nooks and crannies and pathways and stuff like
• 25:00
  that. The sunken plaza, the bell tower, I think
• 25:03
  all that stuff is totally fine. I think that
• 25:05
  it's literally the lanes. to me, need to feel
• 25:09
  way cleaner and less chaotic and insane. Because
• 25:12
  right now, like if you look at Fairfax, we were
• 25:13
  just we just played a game where there was a
• 25:15
  big fight on the in the Fairfax Industries, like
• 25:18
  York section right towards like one of the walkers.
• 25:23
  And it's just this big open sandpit with like
• 25:26
  all these like corners that are like far off
• 25:28
  or it used to be that back pathway that you could
• 25:31
  cut through above behind the walker. And. It
• 25:34
  felt really good because you get to fights back
• 25:36
  there and do all kinds of stuff. And now it's
• 25:38
  just like a big, open, empty area that nobody
• 25:41
  would go into unless you want to fucking die.
• 25:43
  You know what I mean? Sure. Yeah. Shiv used to
• 25:44
  love to fight in there. Now it's like probably
• 25:46
  wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple of places
• 25:49
  like that. I mean, dude, there's some areas that
• 25:51
  are just like dead ends. Right. I mean, which
• 25:53
  might be on purpose, but I've definitely found,
• 25:57
  you know, where that little like cave troll guy
• 25:59
  is. Yeah. I mean, that whole area. Yeah, I just
• 26:03
  hate that because I mean, there's a couple places
• 26:07
  in the game where an update to cosmetics has
• 26:11
  made like a new dead end. And it's not even the
• 26:13
  big ones like that. And by the way, there is
• 26:15
  like a little like invisibility pit over there.
• 26:17
  So it's something at least. There's a part on
• 26:20
  I don't know if it's Greenland or yellow lane,
• 26:21
  but they added lights to the left and right side
• 26:24
  of the lane. So if you're walking backwards,
• 26:26
  it's just a new snare to get snared on, right?
• 26:30
  And by the way, that is just a little light.
• 26:32
  It has happened to me a couple of times. Yeah,
• 26:33
  I'll be I'll be doing movement like really clean
• 26:36
  what feels like good movement I'm like, oh, I'm
• 26:37
  getting used to the map and then I'm like flying
• 26:39
  back and I just hit a random object and also
• 26:41
  by the way I don't know if they change collision
• 26:43
  but I'm getting caught on objects way more than
• 26:46
  I used to where I used to just kind of slide
• 26:47
  around the object and I wonder if they've like
• 26:49
  really made the Collision boxes for some of this
• 26:53
  stuff more detailed or something to get caught
• 26:56
  on because I'm not like just sliding around it
• 26:58
  the way I used to. I'm kind of like getting snagged
• 27:00
  on stuff a lot more, which sucks. Yeah, I mean,
• 27:03
  and I will say, you know, on your favorite podcast,
• 27:06
  two old men complaining. This is the content
• 27:09
  you come here for, obviously. Just shakes visit
• 27:10
  sky. Yeah. I hate good things. It's the prerogative
• 27:16
  of a dad to complain. Yes. Yeah. I think that
• 27:20
  the old map had some weird idiosyncrasies as
• 27:26
  well. I just think that we had come to know them.
• 27:29
  And I also think that since everything was like
• 27:31
  the same sort of beige and brown, it was very
• 27:35
  easy to see what I can do and what I can't. But
• 27:37
  like there was places before where I'm like,
• 27:39
  you know, like, there's a bunch of places in
• 27:42
  the game in the game now and before, where there's
• 27:45
  just invisible walls, there's like weird skyboxes
• 27:47
  that are lower, seemingly in other places than
• 27:50
  they should be. So it's it's all just learning
• 27:52
  the map. And it's also, you know, I wonder if
• 27:58
  the community had a big problem if Valve would
• 28:01
  just be like, yeah, I mean, the the it's not
• 28:04
  finalized, right? I mean, they could probably
• 28:05
  change it again. I think they'll change it. I
• 28:07
  do think that they put a lot of work in it. I
• 28:09
  almost wish that they had made some of these
• 28:11
  changes more incrementally to see how it worked
• 28:13
  out. And then what happened is they made a huge
• 28:15
  change really quickly. And I think that the visual
• 28:18
  part of it will just never not be impressive.
• 28:20
  Right. It just is beautiful. It looks way better.
• 28:23
  I think. You said something that I've struggled
• 28:26
  with almost immediately, and it's not just the
• 28:29
  map, it's also the UI. It just feels less visually
• 28:33
  clear what I'm looking at, and everything is
• 28:36
  more overwhelming and noisy to me. The HUD, we
• 28:42
  can talk about in a second, but in addition to
• 28:44
  the map being more beige and neutral and all
• 28:46
  these things going on, and then when there is
• 28:48
  stuff going on, it's a fuck ton of stuff everywhere,
• 28:50
  and then all these new camps, which are really
• 28:52
  cool and amazing, and I think they're They look
• 28:53
  awesome. I think they sound great. But like some
• 28:56
  of them like those like lantern things. They
• 28:57
  fly up in your face and kind of get in the way
• 28:59
  of the camera and all that shit. And I'm just
• 29:00
  like, there's a part of me that almost wants
• 29:03
  there to be some in between here where it's like,
• 29:06
  I still can know what the fuck is happening.
• 29:08
  And I'm not being like, what the what is happening?
• 29:10
  Where am I? Like, what is this? Like, you know,
• 29:12
  no, it really isn't. It's not just getting used
• 29:14
  to the space. It's literally just like how it's
• 29:16
  visually communicated to you. No, 100 percent.
• 29:18
  There was a fight that happened in I played a
• 29:20
  game before me and Omni just played a game. But
• 29:23
  before that, I played a ranked game with Wraith.
• 29:27
  And we eked out the victory, but we had one team
• 29:30
  fight in the theater. And, you know, I'm trying
• 29:35
  to do the thing that a good carry should do,
• 29:36
  which is like, sort of not get killed. I'm standing
• 29:40
  behind my tanks. I'm kind of, you know, in the
• 29:42
  mid area or like kind of a little bit behind.
• 29:44
  And I'm just pumping damage in. And it's like,
• 29:47
  there's the lighting. There's the different color
• 29:50
  of the theater. There's all the fucking camps.
• 29:54
  There's all the you know, there's all the boxes.
• 29:56
  There's a bunch of flashing lights from the sinners.
• 29:58
  Then there's three or four enemies three or four
• 30:01
  of my team like some of it I know is just, you
• 30:07
  know, it's all inscrutable when you're kind of
• 30:08
  getting used to something new. I remember learning
• 30:11
  Overwatch like When you first come into a game
• 30:13
  like that, you're like, there's just colors everywhere.
• 30:16
  You get used to it over time, right? But I do
• 30:18
  think that the level of visual noise that's been
• 30:20
  added is just maybe something to get used to.
• 30:23
  Maybe I would say Overwatch is the one thing
• 30:26
  I do like about Overwatch and like this visual
• 30:28
  style that game is not lacking, right? Like it
• 30:31
  has its aesthetic. The maps are very clean and
• 30:34
  I think communicated very visually well. I don't
• 30:37
  like to me, I don't find Overwatch to be like
• 30:40
  visually overwhelming. in the like this genre
• 30:43
  of games. I think that this game has so much.
• 30:48
  It's such a big map. It has so much depth. And
• 30:50
  like for a MOBA, if this is a MOBA and this is
• 30:52
  all just the trim, you'd be like, OK, that makes
• 30:55
  total sense because it's beautiful exterior on
• 30:57
  the edges and all that stuff. But at the end
• 30:58
  of the day, I'm like running down like a clear,
• 31:01
  a clear lane where I'm like right clicking through.
• 31:03
  When you're walking through all this stuff, I
• 31:05
  feel like it feels very different and there's
• 31:07
  it has a different impact when you're trying
• 31:08
  to navigate it. And I think that that increases
• 31:11
  the skill ceiling and skill expression potential.
• 31:14
  But I also think that there's parts of it where
• 31:16
  I wouldn't be surprised if they clean some of
• 31:18
  the shit up because some of it does feel like
• 31:20
  the dead ends, especially are like, you're like,
• 31:22
  oh, why am I going over here? Like, why is there
• 31:24
  an empty corner of the sandpit? Like, there's
• 31:26
  something fun over here. Like, why? Why even
• 31:28
  bother? Right. Yeah, there's one over by that
• 31:30
  sort of purple, you know, cloud pool or whatever.
• 31:33
  Yeah. Yeah. There's another one over there. Like,
• 31:36
  it's I think. when you walk down that little
• 31:39
  escalator stairway, whatever, to the right of
• 31:41
  you, it's just like, that's just where someone
• 31:43
  goes to die. And I understand that stuff might
• 31:48
  be intentional anyways. You know, because sometimes
• 31:52
  it sucks to be following somebody forever. And
• 31:54
  then they just get away no matter what. But it's
• 31:57
  all just knowledge checks. Like, does somebody
• 31:59
  know it? Like, I probably would have got caught
• 32:01
  there, except that I looked at it earlier today
• 32:03
  and was like, make a mental note. Don't die here.
• 32:07
  Don't go down there. Don't go to the death pit.
• 32:09
  Yeah. I mean, we'll see. My counter to that would
• 32:12
  be that the old map felt like it flowed really
• 32:14
  perfectly. Like you just like everything was
• 32:17
  easy to be like, I know where I'm going. I'm
• 32:18
  not going to get caught on anything. I know how
• 32:21
  many stamina pips I need to get through. And
• 32:23
  some of that will be learned. But there is stuff
• 32:24
  where it's like, I do want to like feel like
• 32:26
  I can go in any direction. And if I'm my movement
• 32:29
  is good, I can just flow through that segment
• 32:30
  like an under like I can look at it and go, I
• 32:33
  know exactly what to do here. to get out of the
• 32:35
  situation, right? Whereas like right now, it's
• 32:38
  not even to do with like the fact that I knew
• 32:39
  the previous map better. It's literally that
• 32:41
  some sections you just there's nothing there
• 32:42
  isn't an answer to that question. Right? I mean,
• 32:44
  I just don't like blue anymore. Like I used to
• 32:47
  want to play on blue a lot. Because I really
• 32:49
  liked especially I play a lot of pocket. I when
• 32:52
  I'm playing pocket in blue. Now it's just like,
• 32:57
  it's just like those little areas that used to
• 33:00
  go down into the the mid boss area. They're just
• 33:03
  way more claustrophobic. And and it's cluttered
• 33:06
  with the trucks and stuff. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:10
  So I mean, it looks cooler. It's, you know, it's
• 33:14
  visually very cool. Yes. And again, it just might
• 33:18
  take a little bit of finagling and learning and
• 33:21
  whatever. I mean, you know, we are we are old
• 33:24
  dads and brains are taking this stuff in at the
• 33:27
  rate that it is. I don't like that they changed
• 33:31
  things. I wanted to go back to the way it was.
• 33:34
  Put on that original deadlock on a on a Commodore
• 33:38
  64. Shut up, Grandpa, get back in the hole. That's
• 33:43
  Grandpa Lock. That's a different podcast. Somebody
• 33:45
  was trying to run this on a switch the other
• 33:48
  day, and I was like, what is going on? You know,
• 33:50
  good luck to them. The other thing I just want
• 33:54
  to mention, too, before we move on from like
• 33:56
  the changes and how we feel about everything
• 33:57
  is like the HUD, the UI is actually. personally,
• 34:03
  my biggest gripe, and I know we might have different
• 34:05
  takes on this, but my side of it is that there's
• 34:09
  just so much stuff they added that I just don't
• 34:10
  need to see. I don't like the new, in practice,
• 34:14
  do not like the new health bars. I'm glad I can
• 34:16
  change the names off them. I don't need to see
• 34:18
  my teammates icons floating around the map with
• 34:21
  an imperceptible distance measurement in meters
• 34:24
  that I can't even read. And then I don't need
• 34:26
  to see my spirit investment on the left. I wish
• 34:29
  I I hope that they add more quality of life so
• 34:31
  that because those things I think can be good
• 34:33
  for new people. Like I think seeing where your
• 34:35
  teammates are on the map, I think seeing your
• 34:37
  investments more clearly, I think all that's
• 34:39
  like helpful to people who are learning the game.
• 34:41
  But I do want to be able to turn it off because
• 34:43
  like right now the game just when I'm looking
• 34:45
  and I'm playing, I'm just like there's so much
• 34:47
  more crap on my screen than there used to be.
• 34:50
  I mean, I agree with all that stuff. And just
• 34:53
  to put things in perspective, we're talking about
• 34:55
  what is probably still me and Omni's game of
• 34:59
  the year, like everything is Graham of our life.
• 35:03
  I mean, you know, it's it's amazing. But some
• 35:10
  of the HUD changes have had, I think echoes in
• 35:14
  the actual gameplay. As far as like, I had a
• 35:18
  dynamo who bought refresher as his first item.
• 35:23
  And it makes you wonder if that was a result
• 35:25
  of the new popular items page. Because, yeah,
• 35:31
  I mean, there's just stuff that is different
• 35:32
  than it used to be. And, you know, we've played
• 35:35
  the game a lot. Other people haven't played it
• 35:37
  a lot. I mean, who knows? You know, they could
• 35:41
  also just been an intentional idiot. You know
• 35:43
  what I mean? Yeah, sure. But like, yeah, I think
• 35:46
  a ranked game, it's like a little crazy to buy
• 35:47
  your first item is refresher. But yeah, yeah.
• 35:50
  I mean, it could also be a meme. There's people
• 35:51
  doing it because I mean, in a standard, it was
• 35:53
  a standard or ranked. It was ranked. That's why
• 35:55
  I was like, oh, my God, that's we still won.
• 35:57
  But it's like, come on, dude. The the I I mean
• 36:00
  like I think that it's too early because it's
• 36:02
  only been like a little bit and like I'm you
• 36:04
  know Obviously like let it all play out and i'm
• 36:05
  sure they'll make some changes and obviously
• 36:07
  I think quality of life stuff. I have to imagine
• 36:09
  they'll fix and add more customization uh to
• 36:12
  a lot of this stuff and like I said I this game
• 36:16
  doesn't have you know, you talk about some of
• 36:18
  these things are good for new people A lot of
• 36:20
  this game is you know, you have to go watch youtube
• 36:23
  videos and have a friend teach you if you don't
• 36:25
  have familiarity with like MOBA stuff or team
• 36:27
  shooter, you know, you know character shooters
• 36:29
  and stuff like that and This stuff will help
• 36:32
  new people but also they like I said before like
• 36:36
  way earlier is like they need to help themselves,
• 36:38
  right because There's a level of you have to
• 36:40
  go research and listen and you know Be nice to
• 36:43
  somebody and see how you can help them in the
• 36:45
  game go refer them to your favorite YouTuber
• 36:49
  or whoever and be like, go learn how to build
• 36:51
  this character and play it right. Because that's
• 36:53
  the nicest way to do it. As opposed to like what
• 36:56
  I do, which is just rage at them and be like,
• 36:57
  what the fuck are you doing? God damn it. Stop
• 37:02
  buying refreshers, your first item. I mean, a
• 37:05
  negative calm is like always a bad thing. But
• 37:08
  I also think, you know, whatever. They're lucky
• 37:11
  I can't reach my hands to the microphone and
• 37:13
  strain. Yeah, I'm definitely doing some. I'm
• 37:16
  doing we've talked before about the what the
• 37:18
  vibe carry. I'm definitely doing some social
• 37:20
  engineering to get my teammates to you. You put
• 37:25
  your hands into a power triangle and you're like,
• 37:27
  you're beautiful and your family loves you. Now,
• 37:30
  listen to me very carefully. The next steps are
• 37:32
  going to be quite important. Yeah, we would we
• 37:35
  would be doing better in this game if you had
• 37:37
  thrown your computer away. I want you to sell
• 37:39
  everything you have and buy cursed relic. Yeah.
• 37:44
  Can you go by knockdown? Go by slowing hex. And
• 37:47
  also, you don't know how to use them, so actually,
• 37:49
  just stop feeding, just sit and fuck. Yeah, go
• 37:51
  into the corner of the map and count to a thousand.
• 37:54
  Yeah. Literally be more useful. Yeah. But I mean,
• 37:58
  again, the game's still changing early. All this
• 38:01
  stuff, like, they're getting, I'm sure, a bunch
• 38:03
  of data and all that stuff. I'm curious to hear,
• 38:04
  like, what the higher ELO players that they listen
• 38:07
  to so much about, like, you know, the streamers
• 38:09
  and stuff like that, being, like, what their
• 38:10
  complaints are. Because slowly. us lowly beings
• 38:16
  here below in the fucking not upper ranks of
• 38:19
  the game. I feel like we need to I want a bone
• 38:22
  of some kind because like I have a family. I
• 38:25
  have a life. I can't be playing like 500 games
• 38:29
  to just get out of like whatever I got knocked
• 38:32
  down to. You know what I mean? I got knocked
• 38:34
  down to like the top of Seeker and I literally
• 38:37
  haven't been able to play enough to like. do
• 38:40
  anything other than like, oh, I win five games
• 38:42
  in a row and then I lose two. Right. And then
• 38:44
  I'm like, not moving up enough. And then I'm
• 38:46
  kind of like not incentivized or feel like I'm
• 38:48
  doing good, even though my win ratio is fine.
• 38:50
  Right. Like I'm I have a positive win ratio.
• 38:52
  I'm just not playing enough games to make any
• 38:54
  movement. So no, it's definitely super grindy.
• 38:59
  I think that that's the community seems to be
• 39:01
  in full agreement on that because I know, you
• 39:06
  know, I don't know. I've heard people talk about
• 39:08
  they don't want. there to be too much, like,
• 39:13
  and what is it? Performance based kind of like,
• 39:18
  oh, if he gets more kills, maybe you don't lose
• 39:20
  as much. It's like, I understand that sometimes
• 39:23
  that means somebody just pumps damage into a
• 39:25
  fucking useless target the whole game for you
• 39:27
  know what I mean? Like, we've seen those kind
• 39:29
  of things happen in other games, too. But there's
• 39:33
  I think more needs to be done with the matchmaking
• 39:35
  system. That's my take. Yeah, I think that. You
• 39:38
  can fix the point system after. I think the matchmaking
• 39:40
  is like what I agree. It's like, well, so this
• 39:43
  is I can't remember if we've talked about this
• 39:44
  before, but like, tell me and the children in
• 39:48
  the van, feel free to send us your mail to dadlock
• 39:51
  .podcast .gmail .com or join us on Discord or
• 39:54
  comment on any place where you're listening to
• 39:56
  this. Go to would you say only feet? Yeah, that's
• 40:00
  the one. Yep. And leave comments on the pictures
• 40:03
  of our feet. The. The thing that I'm wondering
• 40:06
  about other people's experience is like when
• 40:08
  I, you and me will do OQ and it'll be like, it'll
• 40:12
  drop everything on every other person on our
• 40:15
  team gets dropped to like the lowest possible
• 40:16
  rank and everybody on the other team is like
• 40:19
  the same rank as me or higher. And I'm like,
• 40:21
  how is this always the way it splits into this
• 40:24
  like setup, right? Or it'll be like, if I'm playing
• 40:27
  a solo game, it'll be like, I'm either having
• 40:29
  to be the carry for the entire team or it's like,
• 40:34
  some, you know, complete shit show with like
• 40:36
  everybody is just all over the place in terms
• 40:38
  of rank, right? Where it's like some people have
• 40:40
  never played the game. Some people are, you know,
• 40:42
  also, by the way, I still don't understand how
• 40:43
  you get into ranked and you don't know some of
• 40:44
  the stuff. But that's a whole separate issue
• 40:46
  because the barrier to ranked is already a thing
• 40:48
  that a lot of people were complaining about that
• 40:50
  were in like the lower yellow. And yet they still
• 40:52
  seem like there's people coming in and don't
• 40:54
  know what they're doing. I'm fully OK with that.
• 40:57
  I mean, this is probably an unpopular take, but
• 40:59
  like they should double the number of wins for
• 41:01
  the characters. And I understand that doesn't
• 41:04
  make sense for like page or whatever, but like,
• 41:08
  it is painful. It is so painful. And I really
• 41:13
  do think that if you are improving faster than
• 41:17
  other people, you will rise, right? But it is
• 41:21
  so grindy. And there have been games where like,
• 41:24
  you know, especially if I'm not fucking around
• 41:26
  and playing like some character, I just want
• 41:29
  to play if I'm just like, queuing as Victor Wraith.
• 41:34
  You know, whatever, just like high win rate characters
• 41:37
  carry characters just to get out. I'm still just
• 41:40
  like getting MVP or I'm getting a key player
• 41:44
  in a lot of these games. And just I understand
• 41:47
  it's a problem of just grinding it out. But like,
• 41:52
  it's sex, you know? I mean, nothing feels as
• 41:55
  this joke earlier, but like, how strong do you
• 41:59
  have to be to carry some of these teams? Right?
• 42:01
  Like you getting a key player when the other
• 42:03
  team wins and like, you know, you or, you know,
• 42:06
  even MVP or something and you have like the highest
• 42:08
  stats across the board, but you couldn't carry
• 42:09
  the game because one depends on what character
• 42:11
  you're playing. Right. And then two, it's just
• 42:15
  I don't know if it's possible to carry so hard
• 42:17
  if the enemy team is not feeding you. If the
• 42:20
  enemy team is feeding you, then I think you can
• 42:21
  easily carry a game. But if your team is feeding
• 42:24
  and the other team is remotely competent, I personally
• 42:27
  think the odds of you carrying any given game.
• 42:30
  is super low unless you're just like absolutely
• 42:33
  fucking insanely cracked and like every no every
• 42:36
  inch of every thing you're doing like through
• 42:38
  and through and through and you're like a full
• 42:39
  time streamer who plays like a fuck ton of games
• 42:42
  right i mean that that is the thing the number
• 42:45
  one thing i think to uh improving is intentional
• 42:50
  thought in a game but the number two thing is
• 42:54
  probably just time in game I don't think there's
• 42:57
  any that I really don't think there's any thing
• 43:00
  you can do to substitute for just repetitions.
• 43:06
  So it's grindy. And you know, also not to just
• 43:08
  be like doomer about it. I mean, the games that
• 43:10
  I'm losing are even like, sometimes fun. It's
• 43:13
  like, but for me, I'm like, you know, I'm teaching
• 43:16
  a lot of people the basics of the game and this
• 43:19
  kind of stuff. But it's a it's grindy as shit,
• 43:23
  man. I'm in low rank. It's grindy. Well, do you
• 43:28
  have anything else you want to say about the
• 43:29
  the new update and new characters Rat King and
• 43:32
  Baba? I like how good the animations are in them
• 43:38
  like it it bodes well for what the re reworks
• 43:42
  of other characters will be like I feel like
• 43:43
  this is so far maybe the best crop of like actual
• 43:49
  animation I mean, when you're walking backwards
• 43:51
  as Baba her body like Kind of jiggles around
• 43:55
  and wobbles like an old like heavyset woman's
• 43:58
  body would like it's just like it's just like
• 44:01
  the level of down. Yes. No, but like I mean,
• 44:05
  it's like the feathers on her, her coat and all
• 44:10
  this kind of stuff. Like there's such a level
• 44:12
  of detail in this new character. And the same
• 44:15
  thing is true for Rat King that, you know, the
• 44:18
  rats reloading the gun. Yeah, so cool, dude.
• 44:21
  It's just great. And I think that was there to
• 44:24
  a certain extent with like, I remember everyone
• 44:26
  was so excited about Billy kind of chewing his,
• 44:29
  his ammo and spitting it out, whatever. But this
• 44:34
  is just seems to be on another level of polish.
• 44:36
  Yeah, I agree with that. I think exciting stuff,
• 44:39
  man. I think the future looks bright for the
• 44:41
  game. But I think they just need to make I think
• 44:43
  they just need to do some janitorial work, clean
• 44:45
  up some stuff and quality of life and whatever.
• 44:47
  But they should I mean, they they should take
• 44:48
  a lab. This is fucking huge. Right? Yeah, like
• 44:51
  definitely, definitely a victory in a lot of
• 44:54
  ways. So I mean, and we didn't mention to this
• 44:57
  is actually important for the meta discussion
• 44:58
  and for the update. The game was at like 60 or
• 45:03
  maybe 5070 K every night playing it's up to like,
• 45:07
  I think it just peaked at its new highest peak
• 45:09
  of all time past like 200 ,000 concurrent players.
• 45:12
  So like, this update did what they wanted it
• 45:15
  to do, I think, right? Well, that happens with
• 45:17
  to be fair, that happens with every Toronto,
• 45:19
  new characters come out, it peaks up to like
• 45:21
  around like 170 to 200 give or take. But I will
• 45:25
  say, though, this was a new height. They like
• 45:27
  they have never reached this number before. Yeah,
• 45:29
  I'm sure. What I was going to say is that it
• 45:31
  usually peaks somewhere close to this, and then
• 45:33
  it goes down over the period of time from the
• 45:36
  every time a new character gets raised, it goes
• 45:38
  up a little bit again, and then it goes down,
• 45:40
  down, down. And so what I'm what I'm curious
• 45:42
  is, I don't know how many more characters are
• 45:44
  going to add to the game after this. They obviously
• 45:46
  have to rework some people. they have to add
• 45:48
  in more systems over the top of this. Right.
• 45:53
  And I'm like wondering when what the timeline
• 45:55
  looks like for like a full release. Right. Because
• 45:58
  I could see in a year this game being out potentially.
• 46:01
  Right. Within a year. And at that point, the
• 46:05
  reason why I bring it up now is like, I wonder
• 46:06
  what the amount of people who it will go up.
• 46:09
  Right. When the game is just free to download
• 46:11
  and it's not like an invite system, it's not
• 46:13
  early access or whatever. Like, I wonder if what
• 46:16
  are the numbers going to be? Because I've seen
• 46:17
  this before. You joked about this being game
• 46:19
  of the year or whatever It's like like it's such
• 46:21
  a silly thing to think about in my head because
• 46:23
  I'm just like this is such an it's like when
• 46:25
  I was playing League It's just an all -consuming
• 46:26
  ever -present thing where I'm like what's gonna
• 46:28
  be game of the year every year? And you know,
• 46:32
  I'm like I'm out over here being like ready to
• 46:34
  bring a goat to the top of a mountain and fucking
• 46:36
  sacrifice Game of my new religion And I mean,
• 46:47
  we started a fucking podcast about it. You know
• 46:49
  what I mean? And I said this before we started
• 46:52
  recording, but there's not all, you know, Smite
• 46:54
  exists. There's Paragon or whatever the other
• 46:56
  thing is called. The those games are fine. There's
• 47:00
  nothing wrong with them. But this game has it's
• 47:04
  so many things going on and it's still got this
• 47:07
  MOBA juice and it's got more action. It's cleaner
• 47:09
  to me. And the map is amazing. And it's got that
• 47:12
  valve touch of just like all these fun little
• 47:14
  things. This game has a potential to ascend to
• 47:17
  the heights of, to me, League of Legends and
• 47:20
  Dota for this genre, right? Where it can go past
• 47:25
  and explode way up. Where we have fucking pop
• 47:29
  stars doing the fucking opening ceremony of the
• 47:31
  Deadlock tournaments or something. Yeah. I mean,
• 47:35
  it has the ability to take in people from Overwatch,
• 47:39
  Rivals, Valorant, Dota, League. It's obviously
• 47:45
  doing a little bit of fight game mechanics. It's
• 47:47
  probably not going to take too many Street Fighter
• 47:48
  players. But I mean, there's something for a
• 47:51
  lot of people. And I think the new day friends,
• 47:54
  I think the thing that they've done with this
• 47:56
  map update and with the new character updates
• 47:58
  is that it's now it's starting to look less like
• 48:02
  a play test. And I think that is reflecting in
• 48:05
  the number of players like a lot of things a
• 48:08
  lot of the thing that brings people to a game
• 48:09
  that aren't like super duper the most like you
• 48:13
  know, gamer gamer is just how it looks. And it's
• 48:16
  starting to look like something you'd want to
• 48:18
  spend time in, you know? Yeah, I wonder. I really
• 48:22
  do wonder about the player count and see if it
• 48:24
  really does go up and above, because I do think
• 48:26
  it's been close to 200 ,000 before. And I'm sure
• 48:28
  it's hit a high. But I wonder like what I'm curious
• 48:31
  to see if it'll stay at a high with like new
• 48:33
  people entering or if it'll be something where
• 48:36
  there's kind of like a limit that it hits based
• 48:38
  off just so it's not like out yet. Right. I have
• 48:41
  a couple of numbers here. So It was at the public
• 48:45
  publicity restrictions lifted. It was at 171
• 48:50
  ,000. That's pretty high, right? That's in 2024
• 48:53
  when the first game first first came out. And
• 48:55
  that's like, I mean, that's when it had four
• 48:57
  lanes, I think, right? The next high was in 2025.
• 49:01
  It's 62 ,000. And that was when the six new heroes
• 49:05
  came out, which would have been like Mina and
• 49:07
  Drifter. The second one was old, new. By the
• 49:11
  way, these are much lower, right? The next height
• 49:14
  was somewhere around 100. Yeah, Old God's New
• 49:16
  Blood was 125 K and then a little not even a
• 49:20
  bump just kind of like kept people playing for
• 49:23
  the matchmaking update. Yeah. And then it just
• 49:25
  soars above all of that for the this update up
• 49:28
  to currently 236 K. Yeah, that's good. Yeah,
• 49:32
  that's that's like 100 K over the last peak or
• 49:35
  whatever. Which is not bad. Yeah. No. Oh, it
• 49:38
  also explains a lot of people coming in who have
• 49:39
  no idea what the fuck's going on. But that's
• 49:41
  what I was going to say about the meta is that
• 49:42
  like it's also if when you're in low rank or,
• 49:45
  you know, probably a lot of ranks, you're just
• 49:47
  going to have a lot of people who actually don't
• 49:49
  know what the fuck they're doing. Yeah. But I
• 49:51
  mean, I to me, I think that this game just has
• 49:55
  much like Baba's bench, his legs. Oh, yeah. I
• 49:59
  think that this game has grainy long legs. I
• 50:03
  believe in it and I believe in you. As you said
• 50:07
  earlier, dear listener, I believe in you, our
• 50:11
  beautiful children, our horrid swarm of disgusting
• 50:14
  Deadlock creatures. I love you. And I love Deadlock.
• 50:20
  Go Deadlock! Cue the credits music. I freeze
• 50:25
  frame throwing a football. In the arms of the
• 50:28
  angels. Deadlock would go on to kill 10 ,000
• 50:30
  people in a murderous rage. This will be played
• 50:35
  on a newsreel. He was a promising young game.
• 50:42
  The he, she, it, they, them. The other thing
• 50:45
  I was going to say real quick before we move
• 50:47
  on to our next section is that I feel like the
• 50:51
  amount of stuff that they added that even with
• 50:54
  all the people combing through it, I bet you
• 50:56
  there's stuff that we haven't even seen yet or
• 50:59
  like that have learned yet about. you know art
• 51:02
  that's like tucked away in places or things that
• 51:04
  people have in mind yet or whatever character
• 51:06
  lines which is like always you know for us i
• 51:09
  think that's an exciting thing because you're
• 51:10
  just like more more me and you are definitely
• 51:13
  going to be looking when there's less updates
• 51:15
  uh we're going to be looking through character
• 51:18
  lore voice lines all this kind of stuff because
• 51:20
  that's for a deadlock comedy podcast i think
• 51:23
  that's fun to do right now there's just so much
• 51:26
  update to talk about right we could talk about
• 51:28
  this update for two more weeks probably right
• 51:30
  and they'll already be new characters because
• 51:33
  this stone over here is perfectly made have you
• 51:35
  noticed this specific this cobblestone baba's
• 51:39
  toes are so the um well is there anything uh
• 51:43
  that you want to cap off with or you want to
• 51:44
  move on to a little bit of lore speaking of lore
• 51:47
  let's move All right. Well, normally I would
• 51:50
  ask you, I would make you spin the wheel. But
• 51:53
  do you want to switch it up this time and ask
• 51:54
  me? I would. And I actually found, if anybody
• 51:57
  cares, statlocker .gg slash random dash heroes.
• 52:02
  So we have a real slot here. All right. All right.
• 52:11
  It actually isn't working for some reason. Just
• 52:14
  pick a character. Never. You always try to go
• 52:16
  to technology. You got to believe in the power
• 52:18
  of making sounds with your mouth. People people
• 52:21
  people people people. Oh, dude, we got ratking
• 52:26
  Rat we got ratking baby. All right, so I have
• 52:28
  to guess his lore. Is that what's going on? Hit
• 52:30
  me with some wrecking lore. All right. Well,
• 52:32
  I have played enough to know that he is the ruler
• 52:35
  of Ratania and hates humans I have ascertained
• 52:40
  that from his voice lines and He has lots of
• 52:44
  rat friends. He clearly wants to rule the upper
• 52:47
  world We talked about earlier, I wonder what
• 52:51
  his story is of how he became this way. So in
• 52:55
  my mind, I feel like we got a Teenage Mutant
• 52:58
  Ninja Turtle situation going on. Some kind of
• 53:01
  mystic ooze dribbled onto a rat and he just became
• 53:04
  fucking huge and learned how to use a machine
• 53:06
  gun. Which is obviously what would happen to
• 53:08
  a rat who got radioactive mystic ooze dribbled
• 53:11
  on him. I will say... Think that I'm curious
• 53:17
  about the like nature of like I want to know
• 53:20
  is Ritanya the sewer area underneath that he
• 53:26
  rules and was he elected or is it like a divine
• 53:28
  providence of because he became an anthropomorphized
• 53:31
  rat like in my mind like he has viewed that as
• 53:35
  like a like a divine right of Whatever heinous
• 53:39
  gods exist in this world and now he's like the
• 53:41
  ordained of Ratania, because otherwise I'd be
• 53:45
  like, I mean, he's the biggest rat. So obviously,
• 53:48
  are there other big rats? Did he win an election
• 53:51
  of some kind? Did they vote him to be king? I
• 53:55
  think that he's a pretty straightforward character
• 53:57
  in every other regard. I do want to say that
• 54:00
  I love his flag, and I think that the rats...
• 54:07
  Really am I so hold on I want to say one more
• 54:10
  thing before I was gonna wrap it up with just
• 54:12
  kind of like it's Relatively speaking a giant
• 54:14
  rat and that's it. I want to join in What is
• 54:18
  yeah, what is his origin? He's a giant rat actually
• 54:20
  I wanted to point out It must be very lonely
• 54:24
  to be the rat king because if there are not other
• 54:27
  giant rats when you tell me this lure right now
• 54:28
  And it's just not Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,
• 54:31
  but a giant rat. I'm gonna be a little bit sad
• 54:34
  for him because he must not have any lovers.
• 54:38
  You know what I mean? No one's his size. That's
• 54:40
  a rat. Unless he wants to go outside of a species.
• 54:43
  Like, does he have like a concubine rat that's
• 54:47
  smaller than him? What if he has dozens of lovers?
• 54:50
  Dozens of little lovers. That's like a whole
• 54:52
  other weird thing, right? So like, you know,
• 54:54
  maybe he's quite lonely. He doesn't have a queen,
• 54:57
  right? So then the question is, who would his
• 54:59
  queen be? And I, you know. I would say I mean,
• 55:02
  you're opening up the you're giving valve ideas
• 55:05
  for just further characters, right? Rat Queen.
• 55:07
  Rat Queen. By the way, I just want to say it's
• 55:10
  to follow the real trope. Rat Queen would have
• 55:12
  to look like Jessica Rabbit or something completely
• 55:15
  left field where it's like not even close to
• 55:18
  being a rat. I would love it if she was just
• 55:20
  like, way more musco than him like he let himself
• 55:24
  go. She's been in the gym. You know what I mean?
• 55:27
  like a fucking horrid like those things from
• 55:29
  like 40 and not 40 K, but like the OG Warhammer,
• 55:32
  like the giant Skiven rat. Yes. Or here's an
• 55:35
  idea. She is not even one rat. She is like, and
• 55:40
  like sort of hundreds of little rats making up
• 55:44
  a human form. Oh, my God. No, that's real. That's
• 55:47
  I want that. By the way, what a great idea for
• 55:51
  a character, too, by the way. What movie is that?
• 55:53
  I'm taking that from like Willard or some old
• 55:55
  movie. Yeah, dude, we got to do that. There's
• 55:59
  a movie called Willard. It's a woman made of
• 56:02
  rats. It's not a woman made of rats, but somebody
• 56:05
  find its stat. This summer, it's Willard. Little
• 56:09
  Tony finally found his girlfriend, but she's
• 56:12
  made of rats. This is by the way, this is a good
• 56:16
  pitch for Willard to I think but Willard to I
• 56:21
  have no other idea for the name of this movie
• 56:25
  Willard to she's rats There you go All right
• 56:31
  rat King's actual backstory. You hit me the cryptid
• 56:35
  ruler of the New York Warrens The rat King towers
• 56:38
  over his subjects in size strength and ambition
• 56:41
  No longer content with hiding underground, the
• 56:44
  King has revealed his bold vision for a future
• 56:47
  where he and his subjects can walk the surface
• 56:49
  without fear of pest control vans that roam the
• 56:52
  streets of New York, or as the rats call them,
• 56:55
  human death squads. Step one, take control of
• 56:59
  Long Island. Step two, declare Long Island as
• 57:02
  the new sovereign nation of Ratania. And step
• 57:04
  three, execute every human that refuses to leave
• 57:08
  this new rat utopia. But airtight as this plan
• 57:11
  is the king of rats didn't want to take chances
• 57:14
  and so he's decided to take to summon the patron
• 57:19
  to help hedge his bets and then cue the Cue the
• 57:24
  ending song from the matrix So that None of that
• 57:37
  surprises me. I do think that I would be happy
• 57:39
  for rats to take over Long Island and take it
• 57:41
  away from us. I think that's fine. Sure. The
• 57:44
  other part of it, though, is that it didn't actually
• 57:46
  get on the origin of him at all as a character.
• 57:48
  No, not at all. Yeah. They just call him a cryptid
• 57:51
  and move on. And they say he was bigger than
• 57:52
  the other rats. So like they've completely left
• 57:55
  that out of it. Yeah, it's probably fine. I mean,
• 57:59
  like if I wonder if they explain any of them
• 58:03
  that much. Right. Tell me why rat big. Why rat?
• 58:07
  Why rat big? Why rat big and talk? And then Valve
• 58:10
  say, rat grow big. Valve comes to my house and
• 58:13
  puts a black bag over my head and puts me into
• 58:16
  a van and drives me to fucking Britannia and
• 58:20
  feeds me to the rats. That's what Valve does.
• 58:23
  That's my favorite voiceline. My favorite voiceline
• 58:26
  from him so far is like, we're not scurrying
• 58:30
  like rats. We're biting faces off like rats.
• 58:34
  You've pointed out to me yesterday that his rat
• 58:37
  attack that he is to or whatever just has a different
• 58:40
  line and there's like a billion different names
• 58:41
  for all the rats and like I just I Spammed it
• 58:44
  in the hideout forever and just listened all
• 58:46
  of them and it's just so good. He's like get
• 58:48
  in there Ingrid It's like yeah now you got to
• 58:52
  deal with second call or whatever Yeah, that's
• 58:56
  so good. Yeah, great character. Holy moly The
• 59:00
  I also can't wait to see all the amazing mods
• 59:03
  that people make for that character with his
• 59:04
  flag and song that plays like that's going to
• 59:06
  be a whole separate thing that happens that I'm
• 59:08
  sure is already well underway. Those flags are
• 59:11
  going to be flying at Comic Con for sure. Oh,
• 59:14
  yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm definitely going to get I'm
• 59:16
  going to put a Ratania flag in behind me somewhere.
• 59:20
  Represent the cause. All right. Well, that that
• 59:24
  that wraps it up for a little bit of dead law.
• 59:27
  And then you said you had a new section you wanted.
• 59:29
  So I have I have a new segment for the pod. It's
• 59:34
  called Build Browser Lovers, BBL for short, a
• 59:39
  segment where we focus on a particularly interesting
• 59:41
  build or a thoughtful build could be troll, could
• 59:46
  be just something I found 10 minutes ago, which
• 59:49
  is why we thought of this. I love a good BBL.
• 59:52
  So hit me. So the one I have for us today is
• 59:58
  a Baba build Baba BB BL and It's called Babas
• 1:00:07
  hit me with Baba's BPL Don't please it's called
• 1:00:12
  grandma steals your cookies and ganks you ASMR
• 1:00:16
  That's almost good as a investigating sexual
• 1:00:20
  misconduct So what I loved about this build by
• 1:00:26
  the way don't love the actual build It's too
• 1:00:32
  disjointed. There's a lot, too many options.
• 1:00:35
  There's like a million options in this build.
• 1:00:36
  However - You want a build to tell you, you're
• 1:00:38
  a fan of a build that tells you exactly what
• 1:00:40
  to build. I want a build to have, like, to be
• 1:00:43
  honest with you, I know that Decay and Knockdown
• 1:00:47
  and Disarming Hex and Silence Wave are gonna
• 1:00:48
  do what they're gonna do. I don't need you to
• 1:00:50
  put it on the thing. Like, give me a good left,
• 1:00:52
  give me a good left to right, and... It's like,
• 1:00:57
  even if it's a, even if it's a flow chart and
• 1:00:58
  says like, oh, you can do, this is what you can
• 1:01:00
  do for this. You'll understand what I mean when
• 1:01:02
  I read you the names of these, these little folders.
• 1:01:06
  You're saying stop putting a healing right off
• 1:01:08
  to the right of every single early. I don't even
• 1:01:10
  mind that. But it's like, you'll, you'll see
• 1:01:12
  what I mean. Like this just gives you, you can
• 1:01:14
  play her like six different ways and nobody gets
• 1:01:16
  this. So, okay. First one's called feeding pigeons
• 1:01:21
  with the flesh of her enemies. Okay. And that's
• 1:01:24
  going to be your normal stuff, your monster rounds,
• 1:01:26
  your melee lifesteal, extra regen, extra spirit,
• 1:01:30
  spirit strike, extra charge, mystic regen. You
• 1:01:33
  know, you probably get like a four point eight
• 1:01:35
  K investment on the purple there. Next section,
• 1:01:41
  knitting ugly Christmas sweaters. You tell me
• 1:01:45
  what that means. All right. Tanky, tanky greens.
• 1:01:51
  Mystic expansion, heel bane. Melee charge improved
• 1:01:56
  spirit and healing booster. Yeah, a little. I
• 1:02:00
  mean a little bit of green, but random combination
• 1:02:02
  of stuff. Little random. I mean, I guess the
• 1:02:05
  charge for her thing. Yeah, sure. Melee charge
• 1:02:07
  helps with the melee life steal. You said the
• 1:02:09
  life strike is in there or melee life steal.
• 1:02:12
  Melee charge is in there, but then melee life
• 1:02:14
  steal is in with feeding pigeons with the flesh
• 1:02:16
  of her eyes. Right. Interesting. Next area is
• 1:02:20
  called baking with fentanyl. This is Compress
• 1:02:28
  cool down quick silver reload spirit lifesteal
• 1:02:32
  rapid recharge Okay, you tell me all right. Yeah,
• 1:02:38
  you're sure these are all meant to be built differently
• 1:02:40
  I Are you supposed to just go left to right here?
• 1:02:43
  I mean, I don't know if I would go left to right
• 1:02:44
  there I mean, I can't tell I'm trying to count
• 1:02:47
  it up in my head But like the fact that the melee
• 1:02:49
  items are spread out at all where all three makes
• 1:02:50
  me think that it's supposed to be pick and choose
• 1:02:53
  from all three. It could be left to right, could
• 1:02:54
  be left to right. Hi, I'm Yarn. I don't know
• 1:02:58
  how to read. I don't and I won't learn. Next
• 1:03:02
  part. Grandma needs her meds. Right. Radiant
• 1:03:06
  regen, healing tempo, leech. This one makes sense.
• 1:03:10
  But also, this is what I want the build to tell
• 1:03:13
  me so that I don't have to think about it in
• 1:03:15
  the middle of the game. Do I do all of these?
• 1:03:18
  No, right. Do you just get one? Yeah, I mean,
• 1:03:22
  I think you'd yeah, this is definitely doesn't
• 1:03:24
  sound like a build for people who are just getting
• 1:03:25
  started. That's for sure. No, it is not. No,
• 1:03:27
  it is not. Anyways, by the way, I love this build.
• 1:03:30
  And I did I did okay with her just picking out
• 1:03:33
  of it randomly. I did not go left to right at
• 1:03:35
  all. I went left to right for feeding pigeons
• 1:03:37
  part right? Who made the build? Do you have the
• 1:03:40
  name credit them? I the person who built this
• 1:03:46
  prefers to remain anonymous. Is his anonymous
• 1:03:49
  on it? No, I have no idea. I just can't find
• 1:03:51
  it. All right, well, shout out to whoever made
• 1:03:54
  that build, because I want to make sure they
• 1:03:55
  get their credit. If someone listening to this
• 1:03:59
  finds it, feel free to comment. 686. You can
• 1:04:03
  see where it's by, though, if you're in the game.
• 1:04:06
  Oh yeah, so it's made by somebody named Domino122361.
• 1:04:11
  Domino122361, I love you, and I love your amazing
• 1:04:14
  ideas and creativity. You're much loved by dads.
• 1:04:20
  Even if yarn is illiterate. I hate it. The next
• 1:04:24
  part is the part she punches you. That's good.
• 1:04:28
  Are you doing the tier two and three melee stuff
• 1:04:31
  now? Yep, exactly what you'd expect. Crushing
• 1:04:33
  fist, boundless spirit. I go up to four now.
• 1:04:35
  Next one. Fastest old lady in the West. Duration
• 1:04:39
  extender. Yep, greater expansion, superior cooldown.
• 1:04:44
  Hold on, can I freeze frame for a second? Domino122364,
• 1:04:49
  I would love it if you came up with a better
• 1:04:51
  name for that section. I think it's not so good.
• 1:04:53
  I think you can be more creative. The fastest
• 1:04:56
  old lady in the West. Yeah, fastest old lady
• 1:04:57
  in the West. What does that have to do with any?
• 1:04:59
  Go back to the making jokes about New York stuff.
• 1:05:02
  You know what I mean? You got lazy in the end
• 1:05:04
  there. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Yeah,
• 1:05:06
  come on. OK. So next, it gets better. Her entire
• 1:05:12
  existence is fueled by spite. So it sounds like
• 1:05:16
  a lady I can get into. Yeah, Mercurial Magnum,
• 1:05:19
  Superior Duration, Transcendent Cooldown, Spirit
• 1:05:21
  Burn. Not bad. That's your power spike right
• 1:05:24
  there. Uh -huh. If you're on Spirit. Stop those
• 1:05:27
  pesky rapscallions, right? This is the disarming
• 1:05:29
  hex knocked down to pay Silence Wave. These are
• 1:05:33
  optional, these next two. I think actually the
• 1:05:35
  rest of the build is optional. Grandma just tanks
• 1:05:37
  it. I'm not even going to raid them. You can
• 1:05:39
  imagine what's in there. Greens. Send Grandma
• 1:05:42
  into the stratosphere. I bet you can guess what
• 1:05:45
  that is. I can't. Majestic leap magic. Oh, okay.
• 1:05:49
  Yeah, I should I was not thinking literally I'm
• 1:05:51
  trying to think of like escalating but I guess
• 1:05:53
  it's kind of like I don't really know where you're
• 1:05:54
  reading off of it. Yep Yep, and then the last
• 1:05:57
  one is my favorite which is half off sale on
• 1:06:00
  avocados, which is just a bunch of random greens.
• 1:06:02
  Yeah Yep. So is this a good segment? We should
• 1:06:06
  bring back. We're not even sure yet, right? Yeah
• 1:06:08
  Well, I have I don't have a full page up but
• 1:06:10
  I did I was working on a build that I want to
• 1:06:13
  mention that I know other people have done before
• 1:06:15
  but I was really enjoying it before the update
• 1:06:17
  and I I've poked around with a little bit with
• 1:06:19
  it after the update and I'm probably gonna I
• 1:06:23
  don't know if it has legs the way that Baba has
• 1:06:26
  granny long legs but the I'm feeling horny Celeste
• 1:06:30
  build that's all melee that I was building it
• 1:06:35
  is a exactly as you might imagine a classic like
• 1:06:39
  Abram style melee build but it is something about
• 1:06:43
  meleeing with Celeste where the her alt is flying
• 1:06:46
  around and you have your shield on you and the
• 1:06:48
  animation for her ult. It's one of those builds
• 1:06:50
  that I think I could see a melee Baba build taking
• 1:06:55
  off because of the same reason where like meleeing
• 1:06:57
  with her is just fun. It's one of those things
• 1:06:58
  where you're like, it doesn't even make sense.
• 1:07:00
  It makes sense in like a little bit where it's
• 1:07:02
  like, oh, you have a shield and you're in the
• 1:07:03
  middle of the fight and yada yada. But when you
• 1:07:06
  really think about it, you're like, nothing scales
• 1:07:07
  off of melee in a real actual way that you would
• 1:07:09
  be like, oh, yeah, it's going to obviously be
• 1:07:11
  a melee character. Baba does have a good at like
• 1:07:15
  the melee scaling on the two. Right. And so,
• 1:07:18
  like, I do wonder if we're going to see some
• 1:07:20
  some like I'm trying to think of what a melee
• 1:07:23
  Baba build would look like or be called as a
• 1:07:25
  job. Well, she's got an interesting thing, because
• 1:07:28
  like so there's already a lot of melee builds
• 1:07:30
  with her. She doesn't say it has to be something.
• 1:07:33
  This is the thing, too. It's like so her heavy
• 1:07:35
  melee damage scales off of spirit. So it's actually
• 1:07:39
  pretty good. And then her heavy melee does a
• 1:07:41
  50 percent slow, which is fucking crazy. I mean,
• 1:07:46
  this character also may get fucking nerfs by
• 1:07:48
  the time we this episode comes out. The melee
• 1:07:50
  stuff might get nerfed the most because it's
• 1:07:52
  just that too is really nuts. I was crushing
• 1:07:54
  people earlier. However, I will say the the parry
• 1:07:58
  does stop the damage, I think. Yeah, it doesn't
• 1:08:03
  it doesn't stun Baba, though, which makes it
• 1:08:05
  like totally OK to just throw that heavy melee
• 1:08:08
  out the whole time you have granny long legs
• 1:08:10
  up. By the way, did you see that they changed
• 1:08:12
  the They changed the parry again a little bit.
• 1:08:17
  They made it so that the like there's an issue
• 1:08:21
  with like registering parries or something like
• 1:08:24
  that. I have I can't I it's not super relevant
• 1:08:26
  because it was like a very minor change. But
• 1:08:28
  it just was another way that they cleaned up
• 1:08:31
  like some of the parry issues that people were
• 1:08:33
  having, which I think is nice because the more
• 1:08:35
  they clean that stuff up, I feel like the nicer
• 1:08:36
  it feels. Yeah, that's great. On that more of
• 1:08:39
  that, please. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Well, do you
• 1:08:42
  want to is that enough for your is your BBL big
• 1:08:44
  enough? Do you feel like you've got in there
• 1:08:46
  too big? Say goodbye to Baba's BBL. Bye And then
• 1:08:53
  you want to we can get into our last little bit
• 1:08:55
  here. What are you? What are you playing? What
• 1:08:57
  are you doing? What are you watching? How you
• 1:08:58
  feeling? Are you okay? What am I playing? What
• 1:08:59
  am I doing? We just finished watching Green Lantern
• 1:09:04
  the our lanterns and Yeah, man, good stuff there.
• 1:09:10
  Not bad. Do they kiss? That's my question. Not
• 1:09:14
  just two, three Green Lanterns. Yeah, and a three
• 1:09:16
  -way kiss. They all kiss at once. And a big three
• 1:09:18
  -way kiss, yeah. Sick, dude. I have to watch
• 1:09:20
  this. I watch one episode. I have to catch up,
• 1:09:22
  obviously. Yeah, but it's just good stuff. Pretty
• 1:09:26
  great show. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's it. That's
• 1:09:32
  pretty much it. I've watched a TV show and played
• 1:09:34
  Deadlock. That's fair enough. I've hydrated lots.
• 1:09:39
  I drank lots of water. No, I watched two things.
• 1:09:43
  One is that I watched the new season of the show
• 1:09:45
  called Slow Horses. Have you ever heard of this?
• 1:09:48
  I have not. It's on Apple TV. Crapple. No, I
• 1:09:52
  love Apple TV. Apple TV, the home for all things
• 1:09:55
  Apple and TV. Please don't remove our podcast
• 1:09:59
  from Apple Podcasts. It's a really good show.
• 1:10:05
  It's got a Gary Oldman in it and it's a bunch
• 1:10:07
  of like shitty spies that uh, it's not comedy
• 1:10:10
  necessarily Although there are like late -hearted
• 1:10:12
  moments, but it's like an actual spy thriller
• 1:10:14
  but the whole like setup is that it's like the
• 1:10:17
  shitty spies that have to deal with like all
• 1:10:19
  the people have been kicked out for like gambling
• 1:10:20
  and drugs and that shit like kind of shit and
• 1:10:23
  Gary Oldman just plays like a fucking awesome
• 1:10:26
  character his name is his character's name is
• 1:10:27
  Jackson Lamb and he's just he's this like gross
• 1:10:31
  disgusting washed -up spy who's like fat and
• 1:10:33
  like farts and like does all this like gross
• 1:10:36
  shit like drinking all the time eating a bunch
• 1:10:38
  of food getting shit like messy everywhere it's
• 1:10:40
  really good you should check it out dude that
• 1:10:44
  looks sweet also gary oldman is like that you
• 1:10:46
  know he's great legend absolute legend yep um
• 1:10:49
  and then uh i've been watching uh i love you
• 1:10:53
  um i don't know if you know this or not but i
• 1:10:54
  love eurovision if you're familiar with eurovision
• 1:10:56
  at all do you do you know what what is whoosh
• 1:11:03
  No, not really a musical competition that happens
• 1:11:06
  once a year where all the like a bunch of European
• 1:11:08
  countries submit a somewhat mediocre musical
• 1:11:12
  act and Performance from their own like selection
• 1:11:15
  shows in their own countries and then they all
• 1:11:18
  compete in Europe and the world votes on which
• 1:11:20
  ones are the best And it's like this like a ridiculous
• 1:11:24
  show That happens, but they're doing it for Asia
• 1:11:27
  right now I think it's the first time they've
• 1:11:30
  ever done it, but it's only Asia, and it's only
• 1:11:32
  in certain countries. And there's like Bhutan,
• 1:11:37
  Korea, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam are all participating,
• 1:11:41
  and the Philippines. It is much lower budget
• 1:11:44
  than the other ones. And you'd think that Korea
• 1:11:47
  would go like apeshit on this, but they like
• 1:11:50
  way phoned it in, and it literally looked like
• 1:11:52
  their contest was happening like in a mall. Where
• 1:11:56
  they just feel like, like international television,
• 1:11:59
  but they're like coming out of like a stadium,
• 1:12:02
  or not a stadium, like a little stage that's
• 1:12:03
  in like the basement of a mall was the vibe,
• 1:12:06
  with like three people like clapping, being like,
• 1:12:07
  oh, yes, very good, very good. But you know who
• 1:12:11
  took it away? It's the Philippines, Philippines.
• 1:12:13
  Give me like a bit of a 90s vibe of like the
• 1:12:16
  weird competition in the mall with like the J
• 1:12:18
  -pop type star or like 90s American, you know,
• 1:12:22
  pop princess. If you want to if you want to have
• 1:12:24
  an experience of like just watching something
• 1:12:26
  completely like you're just like I have no cultural
• 1:12:30
  Touchstone for this like the Eurovision Asia
• 1:12:32
  stuff you watch and you're like, wow, this is
• 1:12:34
  crazy Some of it's like feels like state -sponsored
• 1:12:35
  television and some of it feels like an actual
• 1:12:38
  like musical like competition, right? Like so
• 1:12:40
  the Philippines like win ham and their music's
• 1:12:43
  all really good. That one is amazing You should
• 1:12:45
  actually like just objectively watch that but
• 1:12:48
  The other ones, some of them 100 % feel like
• 1:12:50
  stated. There's like, we have the Minister of
• 1:12:52
  Finance here. And he's sitting on a golden pillow,
• 1:12:55
  just grimacing. And then everyone's quietly clapping.
• 1:12:59
  And there's drones flying around everywhere.
• 1:13:01
  You're like, a casual musical event here. It's
• 1:13:06
  on YouTube, so you can go watch it. And if you're
• 1:13:09
  a member of that song competition, and you want
• 1:13:13
  to guest on our illustrious podcast, you just
• 1:13:15
  send us an email. Will say everyone there are
• 1:13:18
  in each country. There was for the most part
• 1:13:21
  There was a person who did really well and so
• 1:13:22
  if any I would love To have a random person.
• 1:13:25
  He was just some guy from Bhutan being like what
• 1:13:27
  he's dead. I don't I Would love it if you were
• 1:13:31
  like my tube and throat singing song. I would
• 1:13:34
  imagine that they're probably a red man. That's
• 1:13:36
  what I was thinking Well, that's where that vibe
• 1:13:40
  comes from but yeah Rem I feel like Rem would
• 1:13:43
  be I don't know what kind of music room would
• 1:13:45
  be in Probably in the band Rem, right? Day, yeah,
• 1:13:50
  there you go Losing my religion. Yeah, that's
• 1:13:56
  the But that's a yeah, that's all I did and then
• 1:14:00
  you know, obviously deadlock We already talked
• 1:14:04
  about that But yeah, let's get into some and
• 1:14:07
  and finally let's get into some deadlock talk.
• 1:14:09
  I think that's Let's circle back around the podcast
• 1:14:11
  just plays again The yeah, I mean I I'd say before
• 1:14:16
  we go like the I'm very hopeful. I'm excited
• 1:14:20
  to see what character is going to get picked
• 1:14:22
  next. My guess is they're going to pick Deadman
• 1:14:23
  Danny or Violet just for the meme. You know,
• 1:14:28
  I'm hoping for Solomon because again, I just
• 1:14:30
  I'm interested in like how chess is going to
• 1:14:33
  play into his kit. I think would be interesting.
• 1:14:36
  Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. Well, as always, dads
• 1:14:40
  never say goodbye. Not really. So we'll be right
• 1:14:43
  back. We're just going to go get some stuff.
• 1:14:44
  I got to I got to get two French fries. I got
• 1:14:48
  a carton of cigarettes and a gallon of milk waiting
• 1:14:51
  for me. I gotta go meet with your teacher, she's
• 1:14:52
  gotta tell me something in private. We'll be
• 1:14:56
  back, we'll be back.