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Ohio Woman Stabbed 37 Times in Mysterious Murder · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Usually catching the killer is, well, it's the hardest part
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  Speaker 1: of a murder investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. It's the whole premise of the genre.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Like it's the entire foundation of true crime. You
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  Speaker 1: find a clue, you track a suspect, you slowly build
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  Speaker 1: a case. And then, you know, the tension just mounts
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  Speaker 1: until that final dramatic capture.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's the climax we all kind of expect.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But in August of 2023, the Columbus, Ohio police,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't have to hunt at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, they really didn't.
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  Speaker 1: The killer literally called 911 himself. He handed them his location,
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  Speaker 1: offered a full confession, and like practically presented his own
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  Speaker 1: wrists for the handcuffs.
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  Speaker 2: It was just incredibly rare.
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  Speaker 1: Super rare. But as investigators would soon find out, a
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  Speaker 1: willing confession is sometimes the greatest deception of all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that initial surrender, it gives this false illusion
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  Speaker 2: of a solved case.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like it's all wrapped up with a bow.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But in this deep dive, for you listening right now,
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  Speaker 2: The capture isn't the climax of the story.
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  Speaker 1: Not at all.
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  Speaker 2: It is merely the prologue to a much darker, much
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  Speaker 2: more complex psychological labyrinth.
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  Speaker 1: So we are taking a deep dive today into the
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  Speaker 1: tragic death of 29-year-old Shannon Hyatt at the hands of
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  Speaker 1: her 26-year-old boyfriend, Chance Donahue.
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  Speaker 2: We have some incredible source material for this.
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  Speaker 1: We really do. We're relying on a fantastic documentary from
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  Speaker 1: the law and crime network, The Decoder. Which, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it pulls together just a mountain of raw, unfiltered source material.
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  Speaker 2: It's honestly staggering how much footage they have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and our goal here isn't to solve a whodunit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we know who did it right from the start.
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  Speaker 1: Our mission, for those of you joining us, is to
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  Speaker 1: unpack the why done it.
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  Speaker 2: Which is always the more terrifying question, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: Completely. We are going to explore the psychology at play,
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  Speaker 1: the explosive role that, like, Social media whisper networks now
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  Speaker 1: take and modern breakups.
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  Speaker 2: That part is just fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And, you know, we're going to look
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  Speaker 1: at the heavily blurred line between genuine mental health psychosis
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  Speaker 1: and cold premeditated malice.
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  Speaker 2: And the sources guiding us through this are just incredibly comprehensive.
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  Speaker 1: What are we looking at specifically?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're analyzing the raw dispatch audio from that morning.
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  Speaker 2: The police body cam footage from the actual arrest.
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  Speaker 1: Which is intense to watch.
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  Speaker 2: Very intense. Plus, neighborhood CCTV that captured the exact timeline
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  Speaker 2: of the night, and perhaps most crucially, extensive recordings from
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  Speaker 2: the interrogation room with Chance himself.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So we actually get to see him reacting in
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  Speaker 1: real time.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. We have a nearly minute-by-minute documentation of a killer's
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  Speaker 2: mindset straight from his own mouth, literally just hours after
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  Speaker 2: the act.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so... To graft the sheer psychological detachment at
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  Speaker 1: the end of this case, I think we really have
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  Speaker 1: to start at the moment the physical reality set in
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  Speaker 1: for the police.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. The beginning of that morning is crucial.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to that 6.0 a.m. phone call on August 29th.
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  Speaker 1: Chance calls 911.
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  Speaker 2: And he's surprisingly calm on the call. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He confesses, tells him he's retreated to his mother's house
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  Speaker 1: in Powell, Ohio, and explicitly asks the police to kill him.
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  Speaker 2: Which completely shifts the priority of the responding officers.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because meanwhile, other officers are racing to the address
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  Speaker 1: he provided for the incident on Berkeley Road in Columbus.
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  Speaker 2: And Berkeley Road, it's important to note, it's just a standard, quiet,
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  Speaker 2: suburban street.
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  Speaker 1: It's a normal neighborhood. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So when the Columbus City Police arrive, the body cam
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  Speaker 2: footage captures this incredibly tense, urgent breach of the property.
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  Speaker 1: Because they don't know what they're walking into.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They kick the door in, and in the front
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  Speaker 2: hall of her own home, They find Shannon Hyatt.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: The dispatcher audio is just frantic. Officers are calling for medics, stating,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we got one on the floor. But it
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  Speaker 2: is immediately apparent that it is too late.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the injuries were just too severe.
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  Speaker 2: Tragically, yes. She's pronounced dead at 6.15 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: And while that devastation is being uncovered at Berkeley Road,
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  Speaker 1: Chance isn't actually at his mother's house in Powell, like
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  Speaker 1: he said on the call.
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  Speaker 2: Right. He had already fled that location.
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  Speaker 1: So officers are tracking him down. And they find him
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  Speaker 1: at a nearby Sheetz convenience store.
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  Speaker 2: Of all places.
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  Speaker 1: Right. A gas station. And he just surrenders without a
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  Speaker 1: physical fight.
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  Speaker 2: He just gives up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But the physical state he is in when they
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  Speaker 1: take him into custody is, well, it's striking.
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  Speaker 2: Highly unusual for someone who just committed that kind of crime.
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  Speaker 1: He's complaining heavily about his hands. He tells the officers, like,
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  Speaker 1: he can't feel his hand and can't move his fingers.
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  Speaker 2: And if you look at the source material, his hands
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  Speaker 2: are just covered in severe lacerations.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So the obvious question is, if he is the attacker,
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  Speaker 1: how does he end up with such debilitating nerve damage
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  Speaker 1: to his own hands?
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  Speaker 2: Well, this brings us to the biomechanics of a frenzied
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  Speaker 2: knife attack.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Break that down for us.
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  Speaker 2: So when someone uses a kitchen knife, which typically lacks
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  Speaker 2: a cross guard, you know, that little piece of metal
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  Speaker 2: between the handle and the blade.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The part that's designed to stop your hand from
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  Speaker 1: sliding forward.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Without that, the physics of the assault actually work
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  Speaker 2: against the attacker.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the force they're using.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Adrenaline is coursing through their central nervous system, heavily
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  Speaker 2: blunting their immediate pain receptors, or nociceptors.
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  Speaker 1: So they aren't feeling the immediate consequences of their own
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  Speaker 1: grip in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. They are striking with maximum force. And as the
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  Speaker 2: attack progresses, the handle of the knife becomes lubricated.
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  Speaker 1: With sweat and blood.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, yes. So when the blade strikes something dense, like bone...
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  Speaker 2: The forward momentum stops abruptly.
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  Speaker 1: But the attacker's hand keeps moving.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It slides violently down the handle and directly over
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  Speaker 2: the sharp edge of their own blade.
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  Speaker 1: God, that's brutal.
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  Speaker 2: It is. The deep lacerations and the severed tendons Chance
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  Speaker 2: was complaining about are the literal physical footprint of a desperate,
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  Speaker 2: violent struggle.
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  Speaker 1: It indicates he wasn't just swinging wildly. He was striking
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  Speaker 1: with uncontrolled primal force.
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  Speaker 2: Completely uncontrolled.
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  Speaker 1: And that uncontrolled violence at the scene creates this really
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  Speaker 1: jarring contrast with his behavior immediately following his arrest.
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  Speaker 2: The shift in his demeanor is honestly chilling.
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  Speaker 1: Because they transport him to the hospital to treat those
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  Speaker 1: severed tendons, right? And the nurses are just trying to
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  Speaker 1: run him through standard hospital triage.
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  Speaker 2: Just doing their jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. But he completely bypasses normal compliance. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't act like a broken man consumed by suicidal
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  Speaker 1: remorse like he sounded on the 911 call.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. He goes straight to indignation.
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  Speaker 1: Which is so bizarre.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. The hospital triage protocol requires nurses to
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  Speaker 2: ask every incoming patient, regardless of police presence, if they
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  Speaker 2: have harmed themselves or others.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's just a baseline psychiatric assessment. Everyone gets asked that. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But Chance reacts to this with profound annoyance. He
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  Speaker 2: snaps at the medical staff, literally saying, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: my shit. I turned myself in.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're supposed to know who he is. The police
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  Speaker 1: officer actually has to step in and apologize to the nurses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has to explain to Chance that the medical
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  Speaker 2: staff doesn't watch the news. They don't know who he
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  Speaker 2: is or what he's done.
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  Speaker 1: And Chance is visibly offended that his notoriety hasn't preceded
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  Speaker 1: him into the emergency room.
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  Speaker 2: That indignation is a massive behavioral tell. Well, a person
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  Speaker 2: who is genuinely shattered by the weight of taking a
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  Speaker 2: life is typically either highly compliant, you know, almost robotic,
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  Speaker 2: or entirely withdrawn into a state of shock.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They're not snapping at nurses about paperwork.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Chance, however, expects to be recognized as the protagonist
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  Speaker 2: of this dark narrative.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's the star of the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The fact that he is subjected to the mundane
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  Speaker 2: bureaucracy of a hospital intake form, it annoys him.
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  Speaker 1: Because it treats him like a normal person.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It reveals a profound narcissism and a stunning lack
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  Speaker 2: of actual empathy. He's entirely focused on his own discomfort
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  Speaker 2: and his own ego, not the life he just ended.
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  Speaker 1: It's all about him. Okay, so we have this brutal
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  Speaker 1: physical aftermath, and we have a killer who turns himself
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  Speaker 1: in but is immediately defensive and demanding of control in
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  Speaker 1: a hospital bed.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very contradictory picture.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. So the obvious question for anyone listening is,
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  Speaker 1: how did these two distinct lives collide in the first place?
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  Speaker 1: Who were Shannon and Chance before August 2023?
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  Speaker 2: The source material paints a picture of two people existing
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  Speaker 2: on entirely different structural foundations.
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  Speaker 1: It really is a profound study in opposites, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's look at Shannon first. She was 29, driven,
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  Speaker 2: and highly stable.
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  Speaker 1: Very accomplished. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: She graduated from Ohio State University in 2017 with a
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  Speaker 2: bachelor's degree in psychology.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a detail that just haunts this entire case.
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  Speaker 2: It really does. Yeah. And at the time of her death,
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  Speaker 2: she was working as a certified fraud investigator for Nationwide Insurance.
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  Speaker 1: So her literal profession was to analyze human behavior, spot
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  Speaker 1: behavioral inconsistencies, and uncover deception.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. She was grounded. She was independent. She was a
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  Speaker 2: professional truth seeker.
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  Speaker 1: And then you look at Chance's background. Born in 1997,
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  Speaker 1: raised by a young single mother in Columbus. And he
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  Speaker 1: actually admits to detectives that his behavioral issues started very early.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. He mentioned being in and out of counseling by
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  Speaker 2: age five. Right.
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  Speaker 1: He moved to Colorado as a teenager, but had to
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  Speaker 1: move back to Ohio at 16 because he was, in
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  Speaker 1: his words, getting into a little bit of trouble.
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  Speaker 2: Which is usually code for something much more serious.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And that instability just cascaded into adulthood.
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  Speaker 2: He struggled to maintain employment, working gig jobs, primarily as
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  Speaker 2: a stagehand, building sets for music festivals.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a tough lifestyle to maintain.
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  Speaker 2: It is. But more significantly, he struggled with severe substance abuse.
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  Speaker 2: By the age of 21, he was in a rehabilitation
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  Speaker 2: facility for methamphetamine addiction.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So he basically lacked any of the foundational stability
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  Speaker 1: that completely defined Shannon's life.
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  Speaker 2: None whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, on paper, a certified fraud investigator and
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  Speaker 1: a festival stagehand with a history of severe behavioral issues
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  Speaker 1: and meth addiction, they seem entirely incompatible.
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  Speaker 2: You would think they'd never even cross paths.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But the documentary notes they met at a music festival.
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  Speaker 2: Which is the key to all of this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this environment is crucial to understanding how the initial
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  Speaker 1: connection bypassed her usual analytical defenses, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It really is. The music festival environment is essentially a
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  Speaker 2: manufactured utopia.
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  Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.
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  Speaker 2: It is designed to be a high-dopamine, euphoric experience centered
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  Speaker 2: around community, escapism, and shared sensory input.
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  Speaker 1: So your guard is totally down.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. In that highly charged atmosphere... Normal, social, and analytical
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  Speaker 2: filters are naturally lowered.
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  Speaker 1: You know, for you listening, think about being on vacation.
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  Speaker 1: You meet someone, you share a profound, curated weekend experience.
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  Speaker 2: And it generates a false sense of deep cosmic compatibility.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. You feel like you've known them your whole life,
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  Speaker 1: but it completely masks the friction of daily structural reality.
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  Speaker 2: Because you aren't dealing with bills or chores or stress.
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  Speaker 2: You're just vibing.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Which sets the stage for a very specific type
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  Speaker 1: of relationship architecture once they get back to the real world.
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  Speaker 2: The fixer dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because when the festival ends and reality sets in, Shani
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  Speaker 1: doesn't walk away from the chaos he brings. She tries
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  Speaker 1: to manage it.
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  Speaker 2: And the psychology of the fixer dynamic is a well-documented trap,
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  Speaker 2: particularly for highly empathetic, competent people.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. A successful person with a background in psychology looks
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  Speaker 2: at a troubled individual like Chance and And doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 2: see a liability.
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  Speaker 1: What do they see?
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  Speaker 2: They see a project. They see potential underneath the trauma.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that makes sense. You want to help the
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  Speaker 1: person you care about.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They often feel uniquely equipped intellectually and emotionally to
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  Speaker 2: provide the structure that will allow the other person to heal.
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  Speaker 1: And for the troubled partner, that competent person becomes their
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  Speaker 1: entire emotional and financial ecosystem.
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  Speaker 2: They become entirely reliant on them.
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  Speaker 1: The documentary notes they lived together for a year and
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  Speaker 1: a half. Shannon provided the anchor, the house, the stability.
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  Speaker 1: But an ecosystem where one person acts as the sole
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  Speaker 1: load-bearing pillar is inherently unstable, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It is doomed to fail. Because eventually, the competent partner
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  Speaker 2: experiences systemic fatigue.
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  Speaker 1: They just burn out.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Shannon realized that her love, her structure, and her
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  Speaker 2: psychological insight were not enough to cure his addiction or
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  Speaker 2: his deep-seated instability.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You can't love someone into being healthy if they
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  Speaker 1: won't do the work.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. She recognized the structural damage happening to her
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  Speaker 2: own life. So in August of 2023, she enforced a boundary.
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  Speaker 1: She did the hardest thing. She ended the relationship and
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  Speaker 1: told him to move out.
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  Speaker 2: And removing someone's primary source of stability is a highly
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  Speaker 2: volatile moment.
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  Speaker 1: Super volatile. Chance moves back in with his mother on
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  Speaker 1: August 20th. But Shannon doesn't just quietly change the locks
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  Speaker 1: and move on.
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  Speaker 2: No, she takes a much more public route.
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  Speaker 1: She recognizes the threat he poses to others, and she
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  Speaker 1: takes to social media. She enters what we can call
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  Speaker 1: the digital public square.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a massive escalation in today's dating world.
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  Speaker 1: Huge. She posted in prominent local Facebook groups, specifically Are
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  Speaker 1: We Dating the Same Guy? and a regional group called
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  Speaker 1: Ohio Rave Sisters.
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  Speaker 2: These groups function as crowdsourced whisper networks.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And they are everywhere now.
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  Speaker 2: They really are. Historically... You know, if an abusive or
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  Speaker 2: manipulative partner was kicked out, their behavior remained a private matter.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they could just move on to the next person.
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  Speaker 2: They could simply migrate to a new social circle within
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  Speaker 2: the same city and start their patterns all over again.
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  Speaker 1: But these Facebook groups, they digitize and broadcast those warnings.
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  Speaker 2: It makes it impossible to hide.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Shannon posted Chance's photo and explicitly detail his behavior.
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  Speaker 1: She exposed that he had stolen her money. and stolen
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  Speaker 1: her medications to fuel his drug habits.
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  Speaker 2: If you laid it all out there.
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  Speaker 1: She warned the community that his sweet, honest demeanor was
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  Speaker 1: a complete facade.
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  Speaker 2: And when confronted by police later about these specific allegations
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  Speaker 2: of theft, Chance's psychological defense mechanism is a textbook display
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  Speaker 2: of DARVO.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack DARVO for the listeners because that's a
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  Speaker 1: huge concept here.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. DARVO stands for Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender.
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  Speaker 1: It was coined by psychologist Jennifer Freid.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, to describe exactly how perpetrators deflect accountability.
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  Speaker 1: So how does Chance use it in this interrogation?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he actually admits he took the money, but he
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  Speaker 2: completely removes his own agency in doing it. How? He
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  Speaker 2: tells the detectives, the only reason I took the money
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  Speaker 2: is because she took my debit cards because she didn't
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  Speaker 2: trust me with finances.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So he frames his theft as a forced, logical
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  Speaker 1: response to her trying to manage the financial chaos his
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  Speaker 1: addiction was causing.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. In his constructed reality, he is the victim of
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  Speaker 2: her financial control, not the perpetrator of the theft.
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  Speaker 1: That is just wild. It tastes like mental gymnastics.
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  Speaker 2: This is a protective mechanism for his ego. To admit
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  Speaker 2: he stole from the woman housing him is to admit
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  Speaker 2: a profound personal failure.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And he can't handle that.
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  Speaker 2: No. By utilizing Darvo, he protects his internal narrative that
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  Speaker 2: he is a good person who was simply pushed into
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  Speaker 2: a corner by a controlling partner.
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  Speaker 1: But the digital shaming went even further, didn't it? It
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  Speaker 1: touched on what the documentary highlights as the mother factor.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, this was a massive trigger for him.
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  Speaker 1: Shannon posted that she had attempted to warn Chance's mother
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  Speaker 1: about his drug use and escalating behavior and claimed the
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  Speaker 1: mother simply mocked her.
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  Speaker 2: And this specific revelation struck a deep, incredibly volatile nerve.
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  Speaker 1: He was furious about this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, beyond furious. During his interrogation, Chance claims Shannon was
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  Speaker 2: publicly implying he had an Oedipus complex.
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  Speaker 1: Which is a very specific, weird thing to claim she
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  Speaker 1: was saying.
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  Speaker 2: Very. He argued she was insinuating a deeply inappropriate pseudo-sexual
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  Speaker 2: dependency between him and his mother, simply because he lived
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  Speaker 2: with her and was fiercely protective of her.
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  Speaker 1: So let's analyze his psychological state at this exact moment,
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  Speaker 1: you know, around late August.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: It's a powder keg.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Think of his life as a closed system ecosystem. By
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: ending the relationship, locking his number, and kicking him out,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Shannon removed his primary habitat.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: She took away his home base.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Right. And by exposing his theft and addiction to the
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Ohio Rave Sisters and local dating groups, she poisoned his
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: remaining social ecosystem.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: He literally told the police, I'm losing everybody that has
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: ever cared about me to this relationship.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: His entire identity within that specific music scene was being
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: systematically dismantled.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And for an individual with profound narcissistic traits and severe
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: emotional dysregulation, the public destruction of their reputation is not
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: just embarrassing.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: It's way more than that.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Yes. It is interpreted as an existential threat. The ego
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: simply cannot tolerate that level of public humiliation.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Furthermore, Chance was legally boxed in. The source material notes
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Shannon had previously filed a stalking protection order against an
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: ex-boyfriend named Cody.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: So she has a history of setting firm legal boundaries.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Chance is fully aware that Shannon understands the legal
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: system and will not hesitate to weaponize it if he
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: attempts to harass her through normal channels.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: So he knows he can't just stalk her normally without
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: getting arrested. Right.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: He is trapped socially, financially, and legally.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: And this social exile is then mixed with the ultimate catalyst,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: which is jealousy.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because even though they had only been separated for
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: roughly a week, Chance suspected she was already seeing a
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: new man named Matthew. Who.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Chance dismissively categorized as a homeless drug dealer.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Right, trying to devalue him. So the combination of public humiliation,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: the total loss of control over Shannon's narrative, and the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: intense jealousy of being replaced, it forged a lethal psychological state.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Which leads directly into the timeline of August 28th.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And this is where we really must heavily scrutinize the
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: narrative Chance attempts to sell the detectives.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Because his story does not match the evidence.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Not at all. He claims he suffered a major psychological
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: break and completely lost control of his actions.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: A crime of passion, essentially.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Right. But a deep dive into the forensic timeline reveals
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: a profoundly different mechanism at play.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: The CCTV footage and digital forensics establish a timeline rooted
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: in cold cognition, not an impulsive, hot-blooded break from reality.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Take us through that night.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: So around 11.0 p.m. on August 28th, Chance drives by
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Shannon's house on Berkeley Road.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: And what does he claim he was doing?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: He claims his intention was merely to knock and talk.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Just a friendly chat at 11.00 p.m.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly. However, while driving by, he observes Matthew leaving Shannon's residence.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop right there. If a person is experiencing a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: sudden blinding psychological break triggered by rage and jealousy, the
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: physiological response is an amygdala hijack, right?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, the brain bypasses logical reasoning entirely.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: The person acts immediately on the perceived threat. They jump
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: out of the car and attack the rival or the
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: partner right then and there.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: That's what you see in genuine heat of the moment crimes.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: So what does Chance do?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: He exercises extreme impulse control. He continues driving. He does
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: not stop.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: He just keeps going.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Yes. He drives all the way back to his mother's
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: house in Powell.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: And geographically, that is a 20 mile drive one way.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yes. So he engages in a 40 mile round trip total.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: A 40-mile round trip means he is alone in a
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: vehicle for 45 minutes to an hour.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: That is a massive window of time to think.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Huge. The brain transitions from the immediate reactive hot cognition
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: of seeing the new boyfriend to the methodical planning stages
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of cold cognition in the prefrontal cortex.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And what he does during that hour proves the premeditation.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: What does he do?
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: He arrives at his mother's house, he changes out of
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: his normal clothes, and dresses entirely in black to avoid
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: detection in the dark.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: So he's putting on tactical gear, basically.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Exactly. He enters the kitchen, selects a specific knife from
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the knife block, gets back into his vehicle, and drives
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the 20 miles back to Columbus.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: The mechanism of premeditation here is undeniable.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: It's textbook.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, for me, I view his claim of a
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: psychotic break... through the lens of a runaway train versus
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: a guided missile.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: I like that analogy.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Right. A genuine crime of sudden passion, a true psychological break,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: operates like a runaway train. It is loud, chaotic, and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: it destroys whatever happens to be on the tracks at
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that exact second of failure.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Steer itself.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Chance was a guided missile. He deliberately altered his appearance,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: armed himself, traversed 40 miles of geography... and intentionally waited
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: until his perceived rival had vacated the premises to ensure
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: his target was isolated.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: That is methodical, not manic.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Upon returning to Berkeley Road, his actions were to be
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: highly calculated. He tests the front door. It is locked.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: And Shannon is inside, and she's awake.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Right. She's aware of his presence. She actually screams through
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the door, I will call the cops.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: She is actively trying to establish a verbal boundary and
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: deploy a deterrent.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: He ignores the deterrent completely. He drops his shoulder and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: physically rams the door.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: It takes two forceful hits to splinter the doorframe and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: breach the house.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And according to his own admission later, he didn't yell
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: or scream in a blind rage as he came in.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: No, he was silent.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: He walked silently toward her and initiated the attack.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: He inflicted 37 stab wounds. God. And in his interview
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: with the detectives, delivered in this flat room, chillingly detached tone.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It's so creepy to listen to.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: It really is. He admits that during the attack, he
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: purposefully slit her throat. And his stated reason was to
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: speed up the process.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: The clinical detachment of that phrasing, it's just horrifying.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: It shows a complete lack of humanity in that moment.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But the psychological dissonance of this case reaches its absolute
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: peak in the hours after the murder.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: This is where his narrative completely falls apart.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Because what happens next completely shatters any lingering illusion of
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a manic, out-of-control, psychotic episode.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yes. Following a massive release of adrenaline and physical exertion,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: perpetrators often experience what forensic psychologists call post-offense cognitive realization.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Which is when reality sets in.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The reality of the crime hits them. usually leading
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to immediate flight or frantic, illogical attempts to hide the body.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But Chance doesn't flee. No.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: He remains inside the house for three hours.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: With her body lying right there in the front hall. Yes.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: What is the psychological function of staying in a brutal
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: crime scene for three hours? I mean, why not just run?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Because he engages in a bizarre, methodical series of cleanup
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and delay tactics.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Like what?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Security cameras actually capture him stepping out onto the front porch,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: his hands severely injured, and bloody, calmly smoking cigarettes in
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the dark.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Just taking a smoke break. Yes.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: He then goes back inside and systematically disables the security
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: cameras and unplugs the Wi-Fi router.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: The sequence there is vital, though, right? He unplugs the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: cameras after the murder.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: He's already been recorded ramming the door and pacing the porch,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: so it's a logical self-preservation thought process, albeit executed with flawed,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: retroactive timing.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: He's trying to cover his tracks. He's just bad at it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Right. But the most psychologically jarring action occurs when he
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: locates Shannon's toolbox.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: This part is unbelievable.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: He retrieves her drill and physically screws the splintered front
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: door shut from the inside.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Using her own tools.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Right. And when detectives ask him why, he calmly explains
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that because he lived there for a year and a half,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: he functioned as the household handyman. He knew exactly where
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: she kept her tools.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: The sheer cognitive dissonance of that act is staggering.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: It's beyond creepy.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: You have the primal, chaotic violence of a 37-wound knife attack,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: immediately followed by the mundane domestic routine of acting as
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the household handyman.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: He is utilizing his dead partner's tools to perform a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: home repair on the very door he just destroyed, all
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to delay police discovery.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It is an attempt to paint a veneer of domestic
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: normalcy over a slaughterhouse.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: He told police he was simply trying to buy himself
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a few hours of freedom before the inevitable.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And this methodical, hyper-rational behavior of the crime scene is
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the critical context we must carry with us as we
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: transition into the police interrogation room.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Because the hyper-rational handyman who screwed the door shut is
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: about to present a very different persona to the detectives.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: A completely manufactured persona.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So the interrogation takes place at the Franklin County Jail.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: We have detectives Phelan and Jude sitting across from Chance.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And the methodology the detectives use here is really fascinating
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: to watch.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: They aren't utilizing the aggressive confrontational read technique that we
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: often see in older true crime documentaries, right? Yeah. You
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: know the, we know you did it, just confess style.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They avoid that completely. They are employing a variation
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of the peace model of interviewing.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Break that down for us.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It stands for preparation and planning, engage and explain, account, closure,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and evaluate. Okay. The engage phase is entirely about rapport building.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: They enter the room, offer him water, notice he is
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: still handcuffed, and immediately apologize.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: They actually take the handcuffs off.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, to increase his physical comfort. They ask mundane, polite
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: questions about his background in Colorado and his work as
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: a stagehand.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: The objective isn't to break him down for a confession, though,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: because he already confessed on the 911 call.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Right, they already have the what?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: The objective is to keep his vocal cords moving. To
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: get him so comfortable that the facade slips and he
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: reveals the actual psychological motives beneath the surface.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And it works flawlessly.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: He just starts talking.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: He begins to unspool a highly complex pseudo-spiritual narrative to
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: justify his actions.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: This is where it gets really weird.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: He claims to suffer from severe undiagnosed psychiatric episodes where
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: he believes he is a deity.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: A god.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Yes. He proudly points out a tattoo of the OM
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: symbol on his body. explaining to the detectives that it
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: represents his connection to the God frequency of the universe.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: He attempts to frame the murder not as an act
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of jealous rage, but as a spiritual imperative.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: He's trying to elevate it.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: He tells them that during his drive, he had a
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: specific thought. He said, if you want Shannon back and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you can't get her back, you can take her life
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: force and then you'll be together forever.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: He attempts to legitimize this by claiming it aligns with
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a Native American belief system regarding absorbing the soul of
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: an animal upon killing it.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Which is just, I mean, it's sick.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: It is. He explicitly states he viewed human beings not
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: as people, but as vessels or just kind of things,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and that absorbing her spirit was a logical way to
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: cure his own feelings of isolation.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: This requires us to ask a fundamental forensic question, doesn't it?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Are we looking at a genuine case of schizophrenic psychosis
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: where a man is suffering from profound visual and auditory delusions?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Or is this an intelligent, deeply narcissistic individual who's weaponizing
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: spiritual concepts and therapy speak to camouflage a very ancient,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: very mundane case of fatal domestic jealousy?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Well, the clinical diagnostic criteria heavily point toward narcissistic grandiosity
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: and malingering rather than genuine schizophrenia.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Malingering meaning he's faking it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Faking it or exaggerating symptoms for secondary gain, yes. True
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: psychotic breaks are rarely confined to a single highly convenient
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: narrative that that precisely mirrors a domestic dispute.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Right. They're usually messy and disjointed across all areas of life.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the detectives expertly probe this God complex, allowing
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Chance to talk until his own logic collapses.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: The slips in his narrative are glaring if you pay attention.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: What's the biggest one for you?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well, for example, he tries to project total divine indifference
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: toward Matthew, the new boyfriend. Right. He claims seeing Matthew
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: leave invoked no emotional reaction whatsoever. But if he is
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: operating on a detached, omnipotent God frequency, why did his
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: grand spiritual plan require him to wait in the shadows
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: until Matthew left?
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Why did he need to change into tactical black clothing?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Omnipotent deities don't need to hide from homeless drug dealers.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: That is a perfect observation. Furthermore, Chance makes a massive
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: semantic slip during the interview.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, when he talks about the legality. Yes.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: He tells the detectives, I knew it was illegal, but
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I wanted Shannon back.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: In forensic psychology, the baseline for an insanity defense often
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: rests on whether the perpetrator understood the nature and wrongfulness
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: of their act.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: So by saying that, he ruined his own defense.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Completely. By admitting he knew it was illegal, he confirms
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: he was tethered to reality. He understood the laws of
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the human world. He simply felt his desire to possess Shannon...
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: superseded them.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: The interrogation also unearths a piece of historical context that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: shatters the idea that this was an isolated break from reality,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't it?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: It does. A very disturbing detail.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Chance casually reveals to the detectives that he has stabbed
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: someone before.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yes. He details a prior incident where he stabbed his
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: mother's boyfriend.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Which is a huge red flag.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Now, legally, that incident was ruled self-defense as a boyfriend
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: was allegedly attacking his mother in a drunken rage.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he wasn't charged for that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: No, but the psychological significance lies in how Chance categorizes
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: the emotion of that event. He tells the detectives that
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the feeling of protecting his mother in that moment felt
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: very similar to the rage he experienced while murdering Shannon.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: He is equating a legally justified protective act of self-defense
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: with the premeditated slaughter of an ex-girlfriend. Yes.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: It reveals that his internal mechanism for resolving profound stress
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: or threats to his control is lethal violence with a blade.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And in his internal narrative, he felt completely justified in
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: both scenarios.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The talk of absorbing souls is just a grandiose narcissistic
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: dressing designed to elevate a sordid act of domestic violence
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: into a into a cosmic event.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: But there is one specific detail from the interrogation room
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: that highlights the chilling reality of what happened in that hallway.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this part is incredibly tough to hear.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Detectives press him on the final moments of the attack.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Chance admits that as he was stabbing her, Shanna's final
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: words were, I love you.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And Chance tells the police he was confused by this.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: He says, I don't know if that was out of
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: fear or if she was trying to get me to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: stop or if she actually loved me.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: The tragedy of that ambiguity is immense.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: It really is, because when you view those final words
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: through the lens of who Shannon was, you know, a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: psychology graduate, a woman whose career was built on analyzing
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: human behavior, it reads less like a genuine declaration of
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: enduring love and far more like a desperate, brilliant attempt
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: at verbal de-escalation.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: It's very likely.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: In her final seconds, facing an unstoppable physical threat, She
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: may have been utilizing her psychological training to hit a
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: court of empathy, hoping to short circuit his rage and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: make him drop the weapon.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: It is a devastating thought.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: It breaks my heart.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: And Chance's performance in that room, the calm demeanor, the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: claims of spiritual psychosis, the grandiosity, it sets the complex
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: stage for how the legal system must process this event.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Because the courts are burdened with differentiating between a broken
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: mind requiring treatment... And a calculating predator requiring isolation.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And the defense immediately attempts to construct a mental health shield.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: As you would expect. Right.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Chance's mother hires a private psychologist to evaluate him, aiming
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: to lay the groundwork for extreme mitigation.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And what does the psychologist say?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: The psychologist provides what the court calls a provisional diagnosis
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: of depression and mood instability, heavily citing his long history
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: of methamphetamine abuse and his failure to maintain a medication regimen.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: But in a forensic setting, what does a provisional diagnosis
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: actually mean?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: It implies that there is evidence of a condition, but
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: not enough information to firmly establish it as the primary
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: driver of the behavior in question.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not a get-out-of-jail-free card.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. But his family submitted letters to
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the judge pleading for a sentence that included the possibility
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: of parole.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Based on what argument?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Their argument rested on the premise that his troubled childhood
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and chemical dependencies... created a broken individual who could eventually
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: be rehabilitated.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But on the opposing side, Shannon's family provided the crucial
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: counterweight to that.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: They absolutely did.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: They demanded the absolute maximum penalty of life without the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: possibility of parole. They articulated to the judge that they
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: wanted to see the full power of the law at work,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: emphasizing the permanent, calculated destruction of a brilliant, accomplished woman.
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  Speaker 2: This courtroom dynamic... highlights a critical distinction in criminal justice
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  Speaker 2: and forensic psychology.
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  Speaker 1: Which is?
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  Speaker 2: The difference between a psychological vulnerability and a legal excuse.
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  Speaker 1: That is a vital distinction. Let's really dig into how
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  Speaker 1: the law interprets that.
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  Speaker 2: A fractured childhood, early exposure to instability, and years of
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: severe methamphetamine addiction absolutely alter brain chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: No one is denying that. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They are valid clinical explanations for how an individual develops
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  Speaker 2: profound emotional dysregulation and a vulnerability to extreme behavior.
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  Speaker 1: So they explain the how.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but the legal system requires a much higher threshold
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  Speaker 2: for excusing murder. A history of addiction does not excuse
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the cognitive ability to orchestrate a 40-mile round trip.
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  Speaker 1: Right, or to camouflage oneself in dark clothing, select a
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: specific weapon, wait for a target to be isolated, and
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  Speaker 1: physically breach a reinforced door.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The law recognizes the dysfunction, but it punishes the execution.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Recognizing that an insanity plea would completely crumble against the
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: overwhelming evidence of premeditation and post-defense cleanup, Chance Donahue entered
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  Speaker 1: a plea deal.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. In July 2024, he pleaded guilty to aggravated murder
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  Speaker 2: and abuse of a corpse.
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  Speaker 1: And the sentencing phase, which concluded in August 2024, resulted
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: in a complex judicial compromise.
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  Speaker 2: The judge sentenced Chance to life in prison. but with
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the possibility of parole after 31 years.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the baseline minimum for that specific charge in Ohio
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  Speaker 1: could have been as low as 20 years to life, right?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. By setting the parole eligibility at 31 years, the
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: court is severely punishing the methodical, predatory nature of the crime.
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  Speaker 1: They're adding a decade to the minimum.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. However, by leaving the door open for parole when
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: he is in his late 50s, the judicial system is acknowledging,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in a limited capacity... the defense's arguments regarding his foundational
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: psychological dysfunction.
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  Speaker 1: Though for Shannon's family, the prospect of having to face
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: him across a parole board table in three decades, that
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: is an incredibly heavy emotional tax to carry.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: It's an unbearable burden. The scales of justice are an
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: abstract concept. They rarely, if ever, feel perfectly balanced to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the family absorbing the permanent loss.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. Well, we began this deep dive
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: with a 6.0 a.m. phone call that inverted the standard
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  Speaker 1: true crime narrative.
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  Speaker 2: Physical capture was immediate.
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  Speaker 1: But tracing the psychological path backward revealed a terrifying escalation
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  Speaker 1: of control and delusion.
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  Speaker 2: We analyzed how the fixer dynamic creates an inherently unstable
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  Speaker 2: emotional ecosystem.
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  Speaker 1: We examined the explosive sociological impact of digital whisper networks
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  Speaker 1: and how public shaming can push a fragile narcissistic ego
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  Speaker 1: into perceiving an existential threat.
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  Speaker 2: And we dissected the forensic timeline that proved this was
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: not a sudden psychotic break. but a methodical guided missile
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: of revenge masked in pseudo-spiritual delusions.
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  Speaker 1: It is a stark, urgent reminder of the mechanics of
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: domestic escalation, but I want to leave you, the listener,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: with a final provocative thought to mull over, one that
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: speaks to a terrifying reality about human behavior.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very important takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: Consider Shannon's specific background. She possessed a bachelor's degree in psychology.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: She was a trained, certified fraud investigator. Her literal everyday
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: profession was to sit across from individuals, analyze their behavioral inconsistencies,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: penetrate their facades, and uncover the truth they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to hide.
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  Speaker 2: She was a professional at this.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: She was an absolute expert in spotting deception. Yet, despite
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: all of that intense academic training and professional expertise, she
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: still fell victim to this dynamic. She still permitted him
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: into her ecosystem, believing she could manage the chaos.
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  Speaker 2: Which just shows how blind we can be in our
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: personal lives.
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  Speaker 1: I invite you to ponder that reality. When it comes
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: to the slow, creeping normalization of toxic behavior in romantic relationships.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: When empathy kicks in and you believe you can act
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: as the structural support for a troubled mind. Intellectual knowledge
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: does not offer absolute immunity.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: It really doesn't.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Even the most highly trained analytical minds can fall prey
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to the profound, dangerous blind spots of the human heart.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: So well said.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. Stay curious,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: stay observant, and we will catch you next time.