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INTERVIEW: Jessica Tarlov Talks Trump Vs.Harris, Tim Walz, Josh Shapiro, Fox News' 'The Five,' Israel & Gaza · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 2: Morning, everybody is DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, and Charlamagne de Gat.
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Speaker 2: We have a special guest with us this morning. We
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Speaker 2: have Jessica tar Love.
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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 2: How you feeling this morning.
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Speaker 3: I'm good? Yeah, up early.
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Speaker 2: Well we got to talk about some breaking newis.
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Speaker 1: I want to say I want to stay with Jessica.
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Speaker 1: You know we worked together once when we both did
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Speaker 1: Piers morgansh Yeah, And I've told you this off air,
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Speaker 1: but I really appreciate you because I watch all the
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Speaker 1: news networks. I watch CNN, MSNBC, Fox, and if you
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Speaker 1: don't watch these network you don't realize it's people actually
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Speaker 1: on Fox News who push back on a lot of
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Speaker 1: the misinformation and false narratives that exist on that network.
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Speaker 1: And you're one of them.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you. And it was great to be
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Speaker 3: on Piers's show with you, and it's great to be
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Speaker 3: at Fox. I think liberals should show up at Fox
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Speaker 3: more often. A lot of persuadable voters out there, and
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Speaker 3: you have better conversations. It never appealed to me to
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Speaker 3: kind of sit around a table with four or five
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Speaker 3: people who are all kind of parroting the same thing,
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Speaker 3: or you're looking for that one little piece that could
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Speaker 3: differentiate you. So I've had a great time at Fox.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. That's something that I've I've
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Speaker 1: suggested to a lot of liberals, you know, especially the
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Speaker 1: VP now running for president. Yeah, go on Fox. President
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Speaker 1: Obama used to do it, you know you. Gavin Newsom
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Speaker 1: did it. When he started doing it, they started talking
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Speaker 1: about him being running for president. Secretary Buddha Judge does
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Speaker 1: it all the time. Go on there. Well.
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Speaker 3: Tim Walls was on two weeks ago. He did America's Newsroom,
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Speaker 3: which is, you know, a hard news program from nine
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Speaker 3: to eleven in the morning, and he was great. You know,
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Speaker 3: he's super affable no matter what environment he's in. But
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Speaker 3: I love it when I see elected officials showing up. Brettair,
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Speaker 3: who hosts Special Report, he has a segment called common
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Speaker 3: Ground where he brings on a Democrat and a Republican,
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Speaker 3: and Democrats even as left as Elizabeth Warren are clamoring
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Speaker 3: to get on there. It's a great venue for people
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Speaker 3: to show up. And just if you want to talk
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Speaker 3: to the most people possible, you're going to go to Fox.
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Speaker 1: How'd you end up doing so?
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Speaker 3: I I went to graduate school in England. I did
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Speaker 3: a PhD in politics, and I came back to the
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Speaker 3: US and worked in polling for Bill Clinton's old polster.
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Speaker 3: And then he was a contributor at Fox. And he's
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Speaker 3: a very centrist Democrat guy called Doug Shown, and he
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Speaker 3: started pushing me to do media. It was actually just
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Speaker 3: like a great mentoring boss move. He said, you know,
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Speaker 3: when you work for someone who you can't ever be,
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Speaker 3: you know, no one's going to hire me. They're going
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Speaker 3: to hire Doug to do the job. He said, you
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Speaker 3: have to start building your own brand. And so he
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Speaker 3: called in a favor and just said, I have this
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Speaker 3: girl works for me. She's really smart. Give her a shot.
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Speaker 3: And I started going on and the relationship, you know,
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Speaker 3: just went from there and I started doing more and
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Speaker 3: more shows. Sean Hannity gave me a shot in primetime
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Speaker 3: and I started doing his show a lot, and I
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Speaker 3: got hired in twenty seventeen, you know, soon after Hillary loss,
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Speaker 3: and I've been there ever since.
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask, you know, how many times
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Speaker 2: have you been threatened? Don't on Fox News and the
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Speaker 2: dms of people at all, a lot on not too many.
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Speaker 3: I mean threatened is extreme. There my Twitter timeline, that's
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Speaker 3: the only social media that I have and I only
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Speaker 3: got it actually when I started coming on Fox a lot,
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Speaker 3: because Hannity in fact told me you just need to
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Speaker 3: people need to have a way to be able to
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Speaker 3: reach you. And it's a good way, or it used
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Speaker 3: to be a good way to consume news. Now it's
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Speaker 3: impossible to know what's true or not or fake on
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Speaker 3: AX I should call it. But my timeline is brutal.
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Speaker 3: I mean, people are not the loudest, voices are the cruelest.
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Speaker 3: If they meet you in person, they're so friendly, which
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Speaker 3: I can't stand, you know, everyone hiding behind the keyboard
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Speaker 3: warriors of it all. But there are a lot of
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Speaker 3: people who are really supportive from conservatives. I mean, we
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Speaker 3: have a huge democratic viewership on the five, so over
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Speaker 3: twenty percent of the viewers are liberals, and we have
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Speaker 3: the highest number of independents as well from all the networks,
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Speaker 3: So a lot of support and now the way that
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Speaker 3: it works, and that's how you know, I see a
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Speaker 3: ton of what you guys are talking about because of
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Speaker 3: clip culture, right, you see like a little sound bite
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Speaker 3: and the liberal clip first or whatever you would call
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Speaker 3: it takes stuff off the five all the time.
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Speaker 1: Right, You've been getting Yeah, you've been going viral a lot.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, like I said, it's because people aren't
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Speaker 1: used to seeing somebody push back.
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Speaker 3: Well, they always say, oh, I bet she's gonna this
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Speaker 3: is her last time appearing on Fox, or she's gonna
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Speaker 3: be fired, and I'm like, well, no, I've been there,
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Speaker 3: you know, eight years, and I assume I'm not getting fired.
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Speaker 1: And I just I didn't even think about that. It's like,
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Speaker 1: damn you. You get the opposite of what most people
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Speaker 1: don't get, because you probably get the maga crazies who
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Speaker 1: come up to you bugging out. Because I was at
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Speaker 1: lunch one time. It was me and Kenny, because me
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Speaker 1: and Kenny a super cool yeah, and it was me
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Speaker 1: and Kennedy and Brian killed me with that. And this
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Speaker 1: guy walks up to Brian and goes, you, Brian killed me,
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Speaker 1: And Brian goes yeah, and he goes, I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to tell you go fuck yourself, jesus. I was actually
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Speaker 1: a few months ago. You had security though, right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: my security. Ye, you got to figure this out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely, you know, because our offices are just
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Speaker 3: down the block from where we are here, and Manhattan
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Speaker 3: is not full of many conservatives, so there's definitely a
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Speaker 3: lot of uh, you encounter folks who are not fans
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Speaker 3: of people that work at Fox. Outside of New York though,
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Speaker 3: where it is Fox Country, people are so nice, really friendly,
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Speaker 3: but very traditional what you think of as nice conservative values.
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Speaker 3: And I just so, I have two daughters, I just
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Speaker 3: got back from maternity leaveing the RNC was my first
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Speaker 3: week back.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I land in twenty minutes later, Donald Trump's
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Speaker 3: ear gets shot and I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: I don't think I can do this. You know, it
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Speaker 3: was just such a swirl and everyone I met in
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Speaker 3: Milwaukee could not have been nicer. You know. Everyone does
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Speaker 3: say I don't agree with your politics, but and I
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Speaker 3: think it's part of what makes actually Fox so successful
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Speaker 3: in general, but definitely versus the other networks, that they
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Speaker 3: really try to amplify your personal life. I mean, it's
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Speaker 3: something Kennedy obviously has excelled in her whole life. You know,
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Speaker 3: she talks about everything from her daughters, her dog, her
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Speaker 3: ex husband, her like you know, ever Jordan, her Michael
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Speaker 3: Jordan hitting on her her relationship with people like you,
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Speaker 3: what it's like to have had such a crazy life.
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Speaker 3: And then the viewers, whether they like your politics or not,
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Speaker 3: they feel something kindred with you. And so I think
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Speaker 3: it's that's definitely helped me get through, you know, whatever
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Speaker 3: shit has hurled at me online.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, so, what do you think about
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Speaker 2: you know, yesterday it was broken at Kamala Harris is
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Speaker 2: picking Tim Wallas. What's your thoughts on that?
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Speaker 3: So I actually thought it was going to be him,
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Speaker 3: just based on the last couple of days. So Jos
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Speaker 3: Shapiro definitely seemed like the smart He's the guy. He
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Speaker 3: was the guy, I mean, the Baruck Obama of it all,
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Speaker 3: you know, I love And you could tell that the
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Speaker 3: Republicans they've not only been floundering with what do they
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Speaker 3: do about Kamala, they did not know what to do
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Speaker 3: about Josh Shapiro. I mean, he is the absolute opposite
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Speaker 3: of JD. Vance right, like the genuine article. When you
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Speaker 3: hear either of them speak, one sounds like he's still
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Speaker 3: in law school and the other sounds like he could
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Speaker 3: be president of the United States. And so I had
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Speaker 3: thought it was going to be Josh Shapiro, and we
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Speaker 3: need Pennsylvania's electoral votes, so all of that was pretty aligned.
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Speaker 3: And then stories started to leak out about how much
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Speaker 3: Kamala's team was enjoying Tim Waltz's team and Tim Waltz personally.
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Speaker 3: And I don't want to make it into like this
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Speaker 3: has become a ViBe's election, but I think the fact
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Speaker 3: that Tim Waltz was the guy to first say these
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Speaker 3: Republicans they're just weird, right, because everyone has been searching
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Speaker 3: for a way to describe Donald Trump. You know, we've
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Speaker 3: gone through all the usual stuff, talking about the race, bad,
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Speaker 3: how bad his policies are, et cetera. But when he's
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Speaker 3: up there talking about electrocuting sharks or the late Great
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Speaker 3: Hannibal Lecter, You're like, how do I actually put into
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Speaker 3: words how weird this is? And Tim Walls was the
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Speaker 3: first guy to do that.
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Speaker 1: He was a don't have no legs, And I feel like,
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Speaker 1: and weird is the understatement wed weird almost sounds cute.
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Speaker 3: I think what's going on? And again I started with
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Speaker 3: I thought it should have Josh A barrow makes the
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Speaker 3: most sense on paper, And all of this is that
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Speaker 3: everyone has gone back to their corners, so Republicans and
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Speaker 3: Democrats are where they're going to go, and you're just
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Speaker 3: focused on like one hundred thousand moderates that are in
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Speaker 3: these four or five key swing states. And they have
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Speaker 3: been saying in survey after survey, I don't want to
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Speaker 3: hear about January sixth anymore. I don't want to hear
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Speaker 3: about thretta democracy. I want to hear about your policies.
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Speaker 3: I want the rhetoric toned down. You know, people are
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Speaker 3: sick of it. They don't want to hear that it's
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Speaker 3: the end of the world tomorrow, whether you're saying it's
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Speaker 3: because Donald Trump's going to become president, or like when
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Speaker 3: AOC said climate change is going to wipe out the
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Speaker 3: planet by twenty two eight or whatever it is. And
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Speaker 3: I think that Tim Walls has a vibe that not
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Speaker 3: only made her feel comfortable, but that people who are
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Speaker 3: looking for toning down of the rhetoric are going.
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Speaker 1: To I don't think you should toe down the rhetoric.
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Speaker 3: I know you're very I appreciate it. When we were
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Speaker 3: on Piers's show together, you know, we were you know,
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Speaker 3: I felt bad for Dave Ruben, who was sitting between
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Speaker 3: us because it was like a threat to democracy, you know,
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Speaker 3: Cookie there he was just sitting in the middle and
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Speaker 3: we were going at it. But I agree with you.
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Speaker 3: I think you should. We should never stop talking about that.
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Speaker 3: But unfortunately, the way it works is the people that
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Speaker 3: we need to win over don't want to hear it
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Speaker 3: of any anymore. It's baked in.
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Speaker 2: But do you know the country it says that they're
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Speaker 2: tired of two white old men running for president, and
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Speaker 2: I think that just adds to it. You know, they
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Speaker 2: didn't want to see Trump abid it and people weren't
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Speaker 2: excited about it. It seems like it brings that energy
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Speaker 2: right back into it.
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Speaker 1: He's only six months older than Yeah, he just looks
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Speaker 1: he looks.
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Speaker 3: He does. He did have a great line that if
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Speaker 3: you were a teacher for twenty years, you would look
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Speaker 3: like that too. I mean looks great and he looks
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Speaker 3: particularly bad for a sixty year old. But yes, he
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Speaker 3: was also the football coach, I think it was. But
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Speaker 3: he is bringing that boomer dad energy to it. And
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Speaker 3: I think that she ended up going with someone that
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Speaker 3: she felt more comfortable with. And you know, people will
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Speaker 3: pick this apart. They'll say which I think has a
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Speaker 3: lot of merit. You know, Josh Shapiro was supportive of
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Speaker 3: school vouchers, and the teacher unions were not particularly thrilled
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Speaker 3: with that. Labor leaders who have been giving interviews have
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Speaker 3: put Walls and Basher at the top of their list,
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Speaker 3: and we know that Democrats don't win without labor unions
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Speaker 3: live in.
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Speaker 1: A nuanced with the school voucher thing. Because Governor Spiro
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Speaker 1: was also supportive of public schools as well, up a
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Speaker 1: lot of money into public schools, especially the breakfast programs there.
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Speaker 3: Oh totally, but Tim Walls's breakfast and lunch okay, so
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Speaker 3: you get your lunch too, no matter your income. I
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Speaker 3: think that it really came down to what she was
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Speaker 3: comfortable with. And I think that even though she has
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Speaker 3: outperformed expectations the last couple of weeks, I think she
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Speaker 3: has risen to the occasion in a way that a
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Speaker 3: lot of people didn't expect. And I know you've always
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Speaker 3: been a fan of Kamala's, but there are a lot
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Speaker 3: of Democrats who didn't see it right. In twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty said, you know, she has her first huge
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Speaker 3: rally in Oakland, and we thought this is it right?
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Speaker 3: This is the woman that can do it. And we
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Speaker 3: were so despondent after Hillary's loss and thought that this
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Speaker 3: was the woman that could take over that mantle and
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Speaker 3: it just flamed out, right, And she has seemed like
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Speaker 3: that person over the last couple of weeks. But she's
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Speaker 3: more nervous than someone that's running for president.
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Speaker 1: I've seen her.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh totally, but she has I think it's part
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Speaker 3: of the authenticity. But the right will make it out
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Speaker 3: to be unprepared, nervous, et cetera. And I think she
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Speaker 3: wanted to be with someone that made her feel comfortable,
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Speaker 3: and I think that's what Tim Walls did.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be something to that, because I mean
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Speaker 1: another thing, people are going to point to the fact
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Speaker 1: she hadn't done an official press conference yet, She hadn't
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Speaker 1: done any interviews, right, So you know, if the narrative
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Speaker 1: for Biden was they were hiding him, keeping the basement,
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Speaker 1: didn't want him to talk, that can't be her narrative. No.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And the rallies don't count, right, I mean, they're
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Speaker 3: going to be great events. The rally in Atlanta with
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Speaker 3: Megan de Sallian was fabulous. She's in Philly tonight. I
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Speaker 3: think it's a ten thousand person crowd. But she's got
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Speaker 3: to sit down and do the interviews. And I said
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Speaker 3: this on Fox last week. I really think she should
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Speaker 3: do an interview where she lets them play the tape
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Speaker 3: of all of the really progressive things that she said,
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Speaker 3: you know, talking about defunding the police, talking about healthcare
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Speaker 3: for you know, people who are here undocumented, and explain
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Speaker 3: from a policy perspective why she changed her mind that
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Speaker 3: these are things that you believe in in principle right
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Speaker 3: that we treat every person some of the same level
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Speaker 3: of humanity and dignity when you actually get into governing,
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Speaker 3: this is how the nuts and bolts of it work.
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Speaker 3: And give a really boring interview where you just seem
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Speaker 3: like a policy wonk and show that you were actually
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Speaker 3: doing everything. With Biden, I think the Biden team didn't
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Speaker 3: do her a great service by kind of pushing her.
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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about being in charge of the border,
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Speaker 3: because Joe Biden was in charge of the border when
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Speaker 3: he was VP. That's very typical. But I don't think
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Speaker 3: they've shone a bright enough light on her for the
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Speaker 3: things that she was doing and doing well, Like apparently
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Speaker 3: the idea to cap insulin at thirty five dollars that
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Speaker 3: came out of the Harris side of things. That's one
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Speaker 3: of the most popular policies. Give it to her, like
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Speaker 3: give her.
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Speaker 1: Her flowers in the American Rescue.
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Speaker 3: Totally, the money for rural broadband for HBCUs, you know.
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Speaker 3: And she's done a great job talking about the Dobbs
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Speaker 3: decision obviously dollars.
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Speaker 1: To mental health initiative.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and also they didn't play up that she was,
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Speaker 3: you know, the top cop of California.
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Speaker 1: I think I think she's been trying to herself from that.
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Speaker 3: But she shouldn't especially lean in for this selection. Like
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Speaker 3: everyone is absolutely in their corners. You have these moderates
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Speaker 3: who did want a Josh Shapiro come out and tell
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Speaker 3: them about everyone you prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: How is Fox gonna spend the Tim Walls thing? Because
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Speaker 1: I got some ideas, right, I'm not giving him my deals.
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Speaker 1: But this is what I think they're gonna do.
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Speaker 2: This is given to my DEAs.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not. This is what I think they're gonna do.
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Speaker 1: I think they're they're gonna they're gonna point to the
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Speaker 1: to the the far left being anti Semitic, and they're
14:29
Speaker 1: gonna point to a lot of anti Symitism that might
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Speaker 1: exist in the Democratic Party because a lot of people
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Speaker 1: have already been asking. I was watching ce N last night,
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Speaker 1: Dana Bash asked Nancy Pelosi, why is Josh Shapiro getting
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Speaker 1: so much flak over his Israel Gaza stands when him
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Speaker 1: and Tim Walls.
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Speaker 3: Is the same.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's gonna be one. I think
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Speaker 1: Fox News is gonna run videos of the aftermath of
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Speaker 1: George Floyd, the Riots air coach. He has the city
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Speaker 1: burning in Minnesota. I think they're gonna play that and
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Speaker 1: say he was in charge of all of this. I
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Speaker 1: think those are the two ways they're they're gonna attack definitely.
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Speaker 3: And I you know, I'm I'm Jewish. I think our
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Speaker 3: party has an anti Semitism problem that they don't want
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Speaker 3: to deal with properly. And I think that the way
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Speaker 3: that Josh Shapiro has been treated does reflect that to
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Speaker 3: some degree, even the anxiety about it popping up and
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Speaker 3: you'll see left wing commentators like a Medi Hassan, for instance, saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, Josh Shapiro is fantastic, why do you want
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Speaker 3: to anger this part of the bass right that's going
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Speaker 3: to be upset about this. That's part of the protest,
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Speaker 3: the college campus protests, et cetera. And you're totally right.
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Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro has a record of statements and opinions on
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Speaker 3: Israel that is exactly the same as the four finalists.
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Speaker 3: If you took the quotes, you could say it was
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Speaker 3: Andy Basheer or Josh Shapiro, Mark Kelly, Tim Waltz. I mean,
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Speaker 3: Tim Waltz has gone and taken selfies with Net and Yahoo.
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Speaker 3: No one has brought that up at all.
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Speaker 1: Shapiro called it, and yeah, he was one of the fields,
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Speaker 1: the fields that I remember.
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Speaker 3: Which just how the majority of American Jews feel. You know,
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Speaker 3: we don't like nat Yaho. Israelis don't like Natan Yaho.
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Speaker 2: So how should they handle Israel?
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Speaker 1: Though?
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Speaker 2: How should they handle that situation? Because it seems very
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Speaker 2: they're walking on egg shells when they speak about it,
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Speaker 2: and you talk about it on these side, how would
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Speaker 2: you advise that they handle it?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think the priority what you should just be
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Speaker 3: saying every single day, and I hate that it's dropped
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Speaker 3: out of the discourses. Bring the hostages home, that's all.
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Speaker 3: That's what this is about. There are still dozens of
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Speaker 3: people that are being held in captivity in Gaza by Hamas.
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Speaker 3: That's a priority. And Kamala was asked she landed in
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Speaker 3: the tarmac in Atlanta before her rally last week, and
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Speaker 3: she was very clear, Israel has a right to defend
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Speaker 3: itself and I think that you're seeing that play out.
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Speaker 3: But now that we have what's going on with Iran
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Speaker 3: and all of this, this is going it seems like
16:51
Speaker 3: going to blow up into a larger problem in the
16:54
Speaker 3: Middle East than just being able to say this is
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Speaker 3: about Israel and what's gone on in Gaza. But I
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Speaker 3: think it would be smart for her Vice President Harris
17:02
Speaker 3: to continue on the track that Biden has been on.
17:04
Speaker 3: I mean, the proposal that has gotten us the closest
17:07
Speaker 3: to peace and the hostages coming home was honed out
17:10
Speaker 3: of that administration. I think Secretary Blinkeln has done a
17:13
Speaker 3: great job, and if I were her, I wouldn't change
17:17
Speaker 3: anything for how it is, because it's holding together the
17:20
Speaker 3: coalition and the way to win the election. And it
17:22
Speaker 3: seems like moving the needle with Nan Yahoo as much
17:25
Speaker 3: as you can. I mean, they have been it sounds
17:29
Speaker 3: like from the reporting, you know, behind the scenes, really
17:31
Speaker 3: forceful with him and just saying kind of like stop
17:33
Speaker 3: fucking around, like I don't want to see anything in
17:36
Speaker 3: the West Bank. I don't want you to be giving
17:38
Speaker 3: any more power than any right wingers in this, like
17:41
Speaker 3: get the hostages home and you know we're out. So
17:44
Speaker 3: I would continue on with where Joe Biden has been
17:48
Speaker 3: going with this if I were her, and she should
17:50
Speaker 3: speak to it, and I would address it even with
17:53
Speaker 3: the Josh not picking Josh Shapiro, like why not say
17:56
Speaker 3: something like big eater up about that?
17:59
Speaker 1: I really do because even when the language they're using
18:01
Speaker 1: when they say they didn't want to pick Shapiro because
18:05
Speaker 1: they picked the Walls because he does the least damage.
18:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a do no harm.
18:09
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Where's the damage coming from? Well?
18:14
Speaker 3: I do think with Shapiro that part of that is
18:18
Speaker 3: the teachers' union issue, that that could break up the
18:21
Speaker 3: labor the labor coalition. But there is anxiety. I mean
18:25
Speaker 3: my text messages when the announcement came out was full
18:27
Speaker 3: of my friends who are Jewish, with some just disappointed
18:32
Speaker 3: wanted her to go for it, just to say kind
18:34
Speaker 3: of like fuck you to everybody and I'm going with
18:37
Speaker 3: the guy that makes the most electoral sense, a guy
18:40
Speaker 3: who people could see as presidential right that he's on
18:44
Speaker 3: his way to that. And Tim Waltz, it should be noted,
18:48
Speaker 3: does not seem like that. And that's part of the
18:50
Speaker 3: do no harm principle and kind of why Obama picked
18:53
Speaker 3: Biden that, I mean, the corollaries are interesting between that.
18:56
Speaker 3: I mean, Joe Biden was someone that could shore up
18:59
Speaker 3: the blue wall for him, right, he had that affable
19:01
Speaker 3: way of talking. Some of it were gaffes, but no
19:05
Speaker 3: one thought Joe Biden was a bad guy, and no
19:07
Speaker 3: one thinks Tim Wallace is a bad guy.
19:09
Speaker 1: Well, that depends if those of us who knew about
19:11
Speaker 1: the ninety four crime Bill in the eighties, the commandatory,
19:13
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm citizen, did We didn't think he was
19:15
Speaker 1: the greatest guy. Those of us who knew, you know,
19:17
Speaker 1: he gave the eulogies that segregation is, you know, like
19:21
Speaker 1: strom Therman's funerals. I'm from South Carolina.
19:23
Speaker 3: That no I understand, Yeah, and I certainly hear it.
19:28
Speaker 1: There's a lot of bad policy.
19:29
Speaker 3: There is a lot of bad policy. There has been
19:31
Speaker 3: also a lot of repentance for bad policy. Is it.
19:35
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, he's certainly I think the best
19:37
Speaker 1: of to'ement his legislation.
19:38
Speaker 3: When it comes to the legislation, well, don't you think
19:41
Speaker 3: that Biden has at least looking at the Biden Harris
19:45
Speaker 3: record or what went on under the Obama years, that
19:47
Speaker 3: there has been some repentance from that as a policy.
19:50
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Not not enough. In regards to
19:52
Speaker 1: the crime bills, I don't think so.
19:55
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he has made an effort, does it,
20:02
Speaker 3: and it never goes far enough for anyone. And part
20:04
Speaker 3: of that is the structure of you often need bipartisan
20:07
Speaker 3: support for something and what are you going to get.
20:09
Speaker 3: I mean, the crime bill that was bipartisan under the
20:13
Speaker 3: Trump administration that Tim Scott did, it doesn't move the needle, really,
20:18
Speaker 3: I don't think that much. And it's difficult to really
20:22
Speaker 3: have kind of soaring legislation that is going to make
20:24
Speaker 3: a massive difference. I at least from how he's spoken
20:28
Speaker 3: about it. I feel like Joe Biden has a lot
20:30
Speaker 3: of regret about things that he signed on to. The
20:33
Speaker 3: Clintons have obviously spoken about that as well. But you
20:36
Speaker 3: can't undo damage that you've done to people's lives like that,
20:39
Speaker 3: so that's something that will hang over them.
20:42
Speaker 2: Do you think that they will debate or do you
20:45
Speaker 2: think it's not going to happen?
20:46
Speaker 3: Kamala hell oh, I think they. I mean, I certainly
20:49
Speaker 3: think they should. I think that she should say three debates,
20:52
Speaker 3: and I think it's fair to start with September tenth
20:55
Speaker 3: on ABC because that was an agreed upon one, and
20:57
Speaker 3: then do a Fox debate and then do a something
21:00
Speaker 3: else to maybe a Univision debates something I think they
21:04
Speaker 3: absolutely should, and the contrast will be really stark. It's
21:08
Speaker 3: been interesting to see like all of the negatives about
21:12
Speaker 3: Biden's age and his competency have now moved over to
21:17
Speaker 3: Trump now that there's only one really old guy in
21:20
Speaker 3: the race. And I think that even excuse me, even
21:25
Speaker 3: if she has some moments where she stumbles, she's still
21:28
Speaker 3: going to look like the vibrant, fresh alternative in all
21:31
Speaker 3: of this, and he's going to seem like an old
21:34
Speaker 3: sexist guy that's yelling at a woman like he did
21:36
Speaker 3: with Hillary. Remember she was like, why why are you yelling?
21:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the reason why I don't think he
21:43
Speaker 2: wants to do it. Like That's why I'm thinking he's
21:45
Speaker 2: throwing things out there where he feels that she wouldn't do,
21:47
Speaker 2: you know, so it makes it seem like it's her
21:48
Speaker 2: not wanting to do it, where obviously he doesn't.
21:51
Speaker 3: I mean, we pay more attention to the press releases
21:55
Speaker 3: in all of this than a lot of people. I
21:58
Speaker 3: think it's all just stupid game, right, Like my comms
22:01
Speaker 3: person is going to say this, and then you're comms
22:03
Speaker 3: person is going to say this, and they should be
22:06
Speaker 3: thinking about, Okay, there's one hundred thousand people that I
22:08
Speaker 3: need to convince they're going to pay attention to a debate.
22:12
Speaker 3: I should job up for a debate.
22:13
Speaker 2: What did you think about him doing Aidan Ross yesterday
22:15
Speaker 2: a streamer.
22:17
Speaker 3: I mean, it was probably a smart electoral move for him,
22:23
Speaker 3: but I found it repulsive.
22:25
Speaker 1: I thought it was great only because I feel like
22:28
Speaker 1: you have to meet people where they are.
22:30
Speaker 3: I agree, But Aiden Ross has kind of played around
22:34
Speaker 3: in certainly in the anti Semitic with like a Nick
22:36
Speaker 3: Fuenttes type of character, someone who is eating at mar
22:39
Speaker 3: A Lago as well. I you know, I tend to
22:42
Speaker 3: be I guess a bit of a Pollyanna about that,
22:44
Speaker 3: where I think certain people I'm not talking about deplatforming.
22:48
Speaker 3: And I understand they have a base, but if I
22:50
Speaker 3: was running for president, I wouldn't want to sit down
22:52
Speaker 3: with someone who has had given safe harbor to someone
22:55
Speaker 3: who you know, thinks the Holocaust was a hoax.
22:59
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm with you, but you know there's a new
23:00
Speaker 1: voter turning eighteen every day and that dude's demo is
23:03
Speaker 1: like age thirteen to twenty four. And it's just like, yo,
23:06
Speaker 1: you sometimes you have to really meet people where they are.
23:08
Speaker 1: I was talking to a lot of you know, liberals
23:10
Speaker 1: yesterday and they were saying to me, we care about
23:13
Speaker 1: young voters, not young people, And I'm like, well, what's
23:15
Speaker 1: the difference. You might energize some of those young people
23:18
Speaker 1: to register to become young voters. Like, for all we know,
23:21
Speaker 1: Donald Trump might have had cast fifty thousand, one hundred
23:24
Speaker 1: thousand kids that never thought about voting to go ready
23:26
Speaker 1: to the vote yesterday. You don't know, you don't know.
23:29
Speaker 3: And again that's why I say it was smart electorally
23:32
Speaker 3: from a pr perspective, that just plays into liberals hands
23:35
Speaker 3: obviously that you say, like, this guy is not going
23:38
Speaker 3: to sit down with George Stephanopoulos, but he has no
23:40
Speaker 3: problem going on there, and it's not like you show
23:43
Speaker 3: up and he didn't hold his feet to the fire
23:45
Speaker 3: about anything. That was part of the controversy with Ronald
23:47
Speaker 3: McDaniel getting hired at MSNBC. Now I said, I think
23:52
Speaker 3: it's fair to hire her. She has a wealth of
23:54
Speaker 3: knowledge that would be interesting for viewers. She knows how
23:56
Speaker 3: it actually works. But when she's interviewed, asked her about
24:00
Speaker 3: election denialism, that's the way you do it, Like, that's
24:03
Speaker 3: why you work in journalism, that's why you have a platform.
24:07
Speaker 1: But he can't really them, can't really say anything yet
24:09
Speaker 1: because the vice president hasn't done anything.
24:13
Speaker 3: You know, she she's got to do it, and I
24:16
Speaker 3: think she will. I'm sure they're figuring out what venue
24:19
Speaker 3: they think is the right one to start off. But
24:23
Speaker 3: I imagine be you know, like a lesser Holt or
24:27
Speaker 3: someone like that.
24:28
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to Well, no, I
24:30
Speaker 1: think you should do some of that, But then you
24:31
Speaker 1: should also go to the non traditional ones like yeah,
24:34
Speaker 1: like Trump just did when he went, you know, he
24:36
Speaker 1: went to the National Association of Broadcast Journalists. That was
24:39
Speaker 1: different for him.
24:40
Speaker 3: He would sat down with a very generous to say
24:43
Speaker 3: that was different for him, it was.
24:45
Speaker 1: Different for all of us all that he went and
24:47
Speaker 1: sat down with Aiden Ross that's a non traditional outlet
24:49
Speaker 1: that has a big audience. I think she needed to
24:51
Speaker 1: do a little bit of both.
24:52
Speaker 3: Well, she's done little things like she was you know,
24:55
Speaker 3: she did RuPaul's drag Race. She should definitely do sit Down.
25:00
Speaker 3: And I think the fact that they are running this
25:02
Speaker 3: very gen Z focused campaign. I mean, if you go
25:04
Speaker 3: on TikTok, it's brat summer, you know, all over the place.
25:08
Speaker 3: You know she will be doing things like that. And
25:10
Speaker 3: I know that her team is working to harness all
25:13
Speaker 3: of these big voices. I think Beyonce gave like four
25:15
Speaker 3: million dollars. I thought so. But she's definitely going to
25:20
Speaker 3: do an event and actually and she let her use
25:24
Speaker 3: Freedom obviously as her song. So I'm sure you're going
25:27
Speaker 3: to be seeing a lot of the big players. Taylor
25:29
Speaker 3: Swift changed her bio and Instagram to something like just
25:33
Speaker 3: a cat lady after jd Vance went after childless cat ladies.
25:37
Speaker 3: You know there will be It's interesting to see because
25:39
Speaker 3: this is kind of surpassing the usual democratic mojo. Like
25:43
Speaker 3: we know people in Hollywood and entertainers tend to lean left,
25:48
Speaker 3: but there seems to be a genuine enthusiasm for Kamala
25:51
Speaker 3: that's different than just this is the ticket right like,
25:55
Speaker 3: kind of as if it were Obama again.
25:58
Speaker 1: Why did white women in Troo De sixteen vote against
26:01
Speaker 1: their own interests by supporting Trump? And do you think
26:03
Speaker 1: they'll make that same mistake again this year?
26:07
Speaker 3: It upsets me to this day. I think I joined
26:11
Speaker 3: and listened to a bit of the white women for
26:13
Speaker 3: Harris Call and also the white dudes for Harris Call,
26:16
Speaker 3: and a lot of it was about that, and it's
26:19
Speaker 3: just feelings of regret and remorse over not doing enough
26:25
Speaker 3: or flat out voting the wrong way. Though this tended
26:27
Speaker 3: to be a more liberal crowd, they changed course in
26:30
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. We didn't get Joe Biden because of the
26:34
Speaker 3: usual court constituency. We got those white moderate women back
26:37
Speaker 3: right in the suburbs of Atlanta, outside of Phoenix, et cetera.
26:42
Speaker 3: I imagine they'll stay the course. I think the Dobbs
26:45
Speaker 3: decision is so electrifying for people, and not just because
26:49
Speaker 3: you know, women want to be able to have abortion
26:51
Speaker 3: on demand or whatever ridiculous right wing talking point there
26:54
Speaker 3: would be, but because women know that after six weeks
26:57
Speaker 3: you can't even get a heartbeat scan, or they know
27:00
Speaker 3: how difficult a time they have had getting pregnant, or
27:02
Speaker 3: that you know twenty five to three percent of women
27:04
Speaker 3: are going to have a miscarriage in their lives, and
27:06
Speaker 3: the majority of women who are getting an abortion are
27:08
Speaker 3: people who've already had children. That it's part of family planning.
27:12
Speaker 3: And I think that that's going to be a huge
27:15
Speaker 3: issue for Democrats and one that keeps moderate white women
27:18
Speaker 3: who might vote Republican if it was a Mitt Romney
27:21
Speaker 3: or someone who seemed normal in all of this.
27:24
Speaker 1: In the fold, what do you say to people who
27:26
Speaker 1: feel like Fox shouldn't be allowed to host the debate
27:29
Speaker 1: because they lost the dominion lawsuit.
27:32
Speaker 3: I think it's silly. Bretta and Martha, who will be
27:35
Speaker 3: the anchors for the debate and are our election night coverage,
27:39
Speaker 3: are complete straight shooters. I mean, Brett Baar was the
27:42
Speaker 3: last serious interview that Donald Trump did and he hasn't
27:44
Speaker 3: done it again because Brett humiliated him so much. Remember
27:47
Speaker 3: when he read all the quotes about what people are
27:50
Speaker 3: saying about him, and he said, like, why does no
27:52
Speaker 3: one want to work for you anymore? Right. Trump has
27:55
Speaker 3: something like all of his high level staff, no one's
27:59
Speaker 3: coming back. And they've written in memoirs and done interviews
28:02
Speaker 3: speaking to you know, ideas of like can I just
28:06
Speaker 3: go shoot protesters during the Black Lives Matter summer protests,
28:12
Speaker 3: you know, talking about how veterans who get killed are
28:15
Speaker 3: losers not wanting to go What was it in Normandy?
28:20
Speaker 3: They didn't want to go to the graves of the
28:23
Speaker 3: veterans because it was raining out, like things like that.
28:26
Speaker 3: That's all coming out from people who worked for Donald Trump.
28:29
Speaker 3: And Brett Baher was the one who really held his
28:31
Speaker 3: feet to the fire about that. So I think it's silly.
28:35
Speaker 3: I think the two things are completely unrelated. And you know,
28:39
Speaker 3: I understand that there are folks who take issue with Fox.
28:43
Speaker 3: It's part of what I think is important about showing
28:47
Speaker 3: up and that I like that I do because people
28:49
Speaker 3: get genuinely shocked. They're like, oh, this was going on
28:52
Speaker 3: at Fox. I'm like, yeah, it's going on every single day,
28:54
Speaker 3: you know, on the highest rated show on the network.
28:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would be good on CNN now and then
29:00
Speaker 1: you know, has they put both sides up there? Now?
29:03
Speaker 3: Yeah? I listen. I have great respect for everybody have
29:06
Speaker 3: a lot of friends that work at the other networks.
29:10
Speaker 3: I think that having never trumpers is not a real
29:13
Speaker 3: reflection of the Republican Party because whether you like it
29:16
Speaker 3: or not, or whatever you feel about him, it's Trump's party.
29:20
Speaker 3: And yeah, they do have folks who will show up
29:23
Speaker 3: every once in a while that are supportive of Trump,
29:25
Speaker 3: but they're not the diehards, right. It's not somebody who
29:31
Speaker 3: saw something in Trump when he came down that golden
29:34
Speaker 3: escalator and understood about you know, how he was speaking
29:37
Speaker 3: at issues like immigration or how he's talking about the economy,
29:40
Speaker 3: and that it really resonated. It seems more like political
29:43
Speaker 3: operators to me than the genuine article.
29:47
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on JD. Vance? I know you mentioned
29:49
Speaker 2: him a little earlier. What's your thoughts on him totally
29:52
Speaker 2: switchsides like not a Trump supporter, disliking Trump, hating Trump,
29:56
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden Trump's his best friend.
29:58
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on that? In ef fect that I
30:00
Speaker 2: don't feel like we dive into that enough.
30:02
Speaker 3: About Jdvans or just people in Jenety listen, I think
30:06
Speaker 3: jad Vance was the absolute worst pick for VP for Trump,
30:10
Speaker 3: and that doesn't mean that I think that Trump is
30:13
Speaker 3: going to lose. I think probably even though the forecasts
30:16
Speaker 3: are shifting, that he still has a structural advantage. So
30:20
Speaker 3: I'm putting that out there. But jd Vance was the
30:22
Speaker 3: only choice that he had that doesn't really move the needle.
30:25
Speaker 3: He doesn't have a different base than Trump. You know,
30:28
Speaker 3: Trump was winning Ohio. Jd Vance underperformed Governor DeWine, the
30:31
Speaker 3: Republican governor there, I think by double digits. I think
30:37
Speaker 3: that Trump, if he hadn't been shot, would not have
30:41
Speaker 3: picked JD Vance. I think that the fact that Jade
30:43
Speaker 3: Vance came out there and was the first person to
30:45
Speaker 3: tweet that this was Joe Biden and the Democrat's fault
30:49
Speaker 3: that he went with Jade Vance because he's like a
30:51
Speaker 3: security blanket and he felt good to him, and he's
30:54
Speaker 3: not a threat at all. Donald Trump just can't stand
30:57
Speaker 3: anyone that feels threatening, and jdvans no one looks at
31:00
Speaker 3: him and thinks he's presidential, you know. And I think
31:04
Speaker 3: that that was also a miscalculation because now that people
31:07
Speaker 3: do see Trump as the old guy, you are looking
31:10
Speaker 3: to the vice president more than you would be, right.
31:13
Speaker 3: So if he had someone at the RNC. I met
31:15
Speaker 3: Glenn young Kin for the first time, the governor of Virginia.
31:18
Speaker 3: I was blown away also by the fact that he's
31:21
Speaker 3: six foot nine, which I did not know. Charming, very
31:26
Speaker 3: policy oriented. The crowd loved his speech that he gave,
31:29
Speaker 3: and all of my smart Republican friends were dying for
31:33
Speaker 3: Trump to pick young Kin to at least moderate the
31:35
Speaker 3: ticket a bit. You know, we all have friends that
31:38
Speaker 3: live in New Jersey, live in a Virginia and have
31:41
Speaker 3: had Republican governors and been just fine, and it would
31:45
Speaker 3: have sent that kind of message. So jd Vance, I
31:48
Speaker 3: think it sounds like from reporting that it was his
31:50
Speaker 3: sons that were pressuring him to do it LinkedIn Dad,
31:52
Speaker 3: pick my friend, pick my friend, and foundation, Well, they've
31:58
Speaker 3: done a number with that one. They're like, oh, Project
32:01
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, we have nothing to do with it.
32:02
Speaker 3: If one hundred former Trump officials are working.
32:05
Speaker 1: On it Jade Vans as their pick, that's what they
32:07
Speaker 1: want it totally.
32:08
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's because it's a blank slate. You
32:11
Speaker 3: could do anything you want to him. I mean, someone
32:13
Speaker 3: who would write a book like that, give the number
32:16
Speaker 3: of interviews that he's done talking about Trump and you
32:19
Speaker 3: know that he's maybe America's Hitler. I don't know how
32:21
Speaker 3: you reverse course on that. I understand how you change
32:24
Speaker 3: your mind about single payer healthcare. I don't understand how
32:27
Speaker 3: you think that America's Hitler is what the country needs.
32:31
Speaker 1: From calling him Hitler to giving them Hawk TWA. I
32:34
Speaker 1: mean it's just like a full throat endorsement, okay.
32:39
Speaker 3: This morning. I do love his wife though. I think
32:43
Speaker 3: she's great and they should be using her more. Her speech,
32:46
Speaker 3: her introduction of him at the R and C I
32:49
Speaker 3: thought was fantastic. She's uber. I mean they're both uber smart.
32:52
Speaker 3: You know, you don't get to Yale Law School being
32:54
Speaker 3: a big dumb dumb. But they should be using her more, definitely.
33:00
Speaker 3: But she she was a registered Democrat until twenty twenty two,
33:03
Speaker 3: and she seems very uneasy with what's going on. I
33:07
Speaker 3: can't imagine, Actually, if my husband woke up and was like,
33:09
Speaker 3: I'm going to go work for Donald Trump.
33:11
Speaker 1: You said something, you said you think Trump is going
33:13
Speaker 1: to win because he's more which just structured.
33:16
Speaker 3: He has a structural advantage.
33:17
Speaker 1: When you say structural advantage, what do you mean that
33:19
Speaker 1: he has a bunch of Republicans across the country, who
33:21
Speaker 1: probably won't rechoose the certified or results of the election,
33:24
Speaker 1: and hettle help, and he's got the Supreme Court if
33:26
Speaker 1: he challenges it.
33:27
Speaker 3: You know, all of those things. But I just mean
33:29
Speaker 3: the way the electoral college is. You know, Kama's favored
33:32
Speaker 3: to win the popular vote. The Democrat basically always wins
33:35
Speaker 3: a popular vote, and then we lose the electoral college.
33:38
Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy how how far you have to
33:41
Speaker 3: outperform the Republican if you're the Democrat in the you know,
33:46
Speaker 3: one person, one vote standard to be able to win.
33:50
Speaker 3: And so that's why I still think that he has
33:52
Speaker 3: an advantage. And you know we're getting there in the
33:54
Speaker 3: enthusiasm gap, but Donald Trump's supporters are diehards in a
34:00
Speaker 3: way that she has yet to build that kind of fervor.
34:04
Speaker 3: You know that Obama twenty twelve.
34:06
Speaker 1: That's why I don't like it at Tim Wall's pick.
34:08
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like you can put another star
34:10
Speaker 1: on the ticket the same way you said somebody like
34:12
Speaker 1: Trump is, you know, scared to have somebody that can
34:14
Speaker 1: outshine him. You gotta what you call him baristo Obama?
34:17
Speaker 1: Would you call it? You gotta put barok Obama. You
34:22
Speaker 1: gotta put Governor Josh pirout. He's another star. I feel
34:24
Speaker 1: like that to me that that I'm not gonna say
34:27
Speaker 1: it's so it locks things up, but I think that's
34:29
Speaker 1: a better.
34:30
Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt that the Trump team is happy
34:33
Speaker 3: about this, you know, and any day that Republicans are
34:36
Speaker 3: happy as a bad day for me. But I do
34:39
Speaker 3: think that Tim Waltz will surprise and delight people in
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Speaker 3: a way that they're not expecting.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: He has this America's Dad background, being a teacher and
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Speaker 3: a football coach. He flipped a conservative seat in Minnesota
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Speaker 3: in twenty and six when he entered Congress. One of
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Speaker 3: the stories that I I found the most engaging and
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Speaker 3: just very sweet his daughter came to him. I think
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Speaker 3: it was after the Parkland shooting and he had an
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Speaker 3: A rating from the NRA, and she said, Dad, we
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Speaker 3: guns are the problem here. You know, it's always the guns.
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Speaker 3: Now he has an F rating from the NRA. He
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Speaker 3: is someone who's willing to listen to people to change
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Speaker 3: his mind. He has apologized going back to the point
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Speaker 3: that you made about how many Apolis was handled in
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Speaker 3: the wake of George Floyd's murder he's said it was
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Speaker 3: an abject failure. And this election with both Kamala and
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Speaker 3: Tim Wallas, I think will be a lot about whether
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Speaker 3: people are willing to accept apologies for things and to
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Speaker 3: accept that folks have evolved. And going back to your
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Speaker 3: point that we have to keep talking about the threat
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Speaker 3: to democracy and all of it, those two people are
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Speaker 3: the ones standing in the way of Donald Trump and
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Speaker 3: that's what it comes down to. Yeah, and that's you know,
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Speaker 3: got to be the chorus in all of this until
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Speaker 3: November fifth.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be interesting. Made me think about something because
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Speaker 1: I mean, I said, I said that they were going
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Speaker 1: to start pointing a finger at him in regards to
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Speaker 1: the aftermath of George Floyd. But if they start saying
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Speaker 1: he was a guy that like cops do whatever on
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Speaker 1: top of already you know Peyton commonly the top cop.
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Speaker 1: That's not gonna play well on social media.
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Speaker 3: No, It's it's weird because it matters so much, and
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Speaker 3: I feel like it has, especially for Kamala, changed the
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Speaker 3: course of the last two weeks kind of the love
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Speaker 3: that she's been getting. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: those aren't the tried and true voters, you know, we
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Speaker 3: didn't have Joe Biden as president because of social media.
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Speaker 3: We had Joe Biden as president because jen X and
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Speaker 3: Boomer black people showed up at the polls. So it's not,
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Speaker 3: you know, the vibes aren't real life. And we'll have
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Speaker 3: to see how that plays out. But a lot of
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Speaker 3: these kids that are posting about Gaza or you know,
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Speaker 3: are into brat summer right now, and then you know,
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Speaker 3: will fall out of love with her over whatever stance
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Speaker 3: she's taking, or they just find out that she's actually
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Speaker 3: a prosecutor. They put a lot of people behind bars.
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Speaker 3: Were they going to vote anyway? I'm not completely sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we appreciate you for joining us.
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Speaker 1: How can you find you because, like you said, you're
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Speaker 1: not on social leg.
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Speaker 3: Then I'm on Twitter, which I know no one wants
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Speaker 3: to be around. But you could watch The Five, which
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Speaker 3: is five o'clock on Fox News channel.
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Speaker 1: And I don't care. You have your own podcast is
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Speaker 1: something I'm.
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Speaker 3: Working on it. Yeah, I'd love to do that. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: thank you guys so much for having me.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for coming. All right, you can catch
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Speaker 2: you on the Five, Like she said, Jessica tar Loaf
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Speaker 2: and a tarlof a tar.
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Speaker 3: Love, tarlove.
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Speaker 2: All of it is good, okay yet the breakfast Club,
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Speaker 2: Good morning.
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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club