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Man is sad, woman most offended · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Alison, and this is maintaining frame man is sad woman,
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  Speaker 1: most affected? Where we're going to be looking at a
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  Speaker 1: couple of media markles. I'm actually a little bit confused
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  Speaker 1: because I thought it was this one, but you sent
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  Speaker 1: me two different ones. So is it all three of them?
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  Speaker 1: I forgot to ask you.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, let me explain the spaghetti
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  Speaker 2: Also it is man is sad woman, most offended?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, I think I did put that. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: did put offended.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's affected, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Also also most affected, ye, most.
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  Speaker 2: Effective, But in particular most offended just seems to be
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  Speaker 2: like a a consistent theme with feminist writers. A man
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  Speaker 2: expresses some kind of emotion that isn't feminist approved, in
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  Speaker 2: this case social anxiety and depression of fight.
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  Speaker 1: Their own toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and feminists circle the wagons and get out the
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  Speaker 2: the scalping knives, and they're like, yeah, that can't stand
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  Speaker 2: a man expressing vulnerability, like even more than apparently patriarchy.
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  Speaker 2: That that's the worst thing ever. That is patriarchy. Patriarchy
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  Speaker 2: is men expressing vulnerabilities. All right, Well, so I sent
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  Speaker 2: you a couple. There is the Grayson Ferguson original article,
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  Speaker 2: I am a man and I am the problem. And
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  Speaker 2: although it sounds like it's self abasing, apparently it's not.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually him talking about his social anxiety and depression,
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  Speaker 2: his sense of loneliness and other stuff like that. But
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  Speaker 2: the feminists that we were talking about on Monday came
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  Speaker 2: across this article and she took.
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  Speaker 1: Who hails from Tel Aviv?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she took it personally because she read that that title,
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  Speaker 2: and she thought she was in for a nice little
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  Speaker 2: session of watching a man flagellate himself prostate himself before
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  Speaker 2: the altar of feminism. And what she found was a
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  Speaker 2: guy talking about, you know, feeling sad and lonely, and
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  Speaker 2: good golly, if there isn't one thing that feminists hate most,
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  Speaker 2: it's men feeling sad and lonely. God damn. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that's where we do. I also sent you
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  Speaker 2: a third one, which I thought might be hilarious, like
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  Speaker 2: it might be a nice little place the land after
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  Speaker 2: we go through all this, because it's a it's titled
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  Speaker 2: A Very Unexpected Lesson from a very hot Man. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm actually really curious, like the dynamic between
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  Speaker 2: this particular feminist and apparently there was a hot man
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  Speaker 2: that she was after and he was not interested in her.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just curious what lessons she took from that.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, but you know, we went did I get
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  Speaker 2: to it? We might end up having to go through
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  Speaker 2: too much material, but I figured that might be a
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  Speaker 2: fun little concluding bit the end. Then all right, let's
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  Speaker 2: go with let's go with the original article. Let's see
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  Speaker 2: how offensive it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a man and I'm the problem.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of you, oh man, well how long are
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  Speaker 2: we talking?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, I'm showing you. Look this is it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like several paragraphs and it's like, yeah, it's long.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it is June Men's Mental Health Months,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe we should give it, give it the lion's
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  Speaker 2: share of attention, considering it is a man talking about
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  Speaker 2: mental health issues in June Men's Mental Health Month, and
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  Speaker 2: feminists feminists are sharpening the knives. Of course. Okay, now,
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  Speaker 2: just let's let's just do it. Let's let's read that. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: Let's start all right. So this is a sub stack
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  Speaker 1: from Grayson Ferguson called I'm a Man and I'm the Problem.
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  Speaker 1: I think I started this already, so maybe we can
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  Speaker 1: jump down a little bit. I'll start from this paragraph here.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's very like, it's very bloggie. It's kind of written,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in this kind of it's not it's not academic.
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  Speaker 1: It's story driven. So not all right, it's like a diary.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be seen as a creep. I
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  Speaker 1: just want a brief escape from the depression of life
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  Speaker 1: with the aid of loud explosions and an ungodly sized
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  Speaker 1: tub of popcorn. It takes a great deal of mental
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  Speaker 1: energy to convince myself to go by myself, to be
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  Speaker 1: amongst others. I tell myself it's better to be out
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  Speaker 1: than spend another night alone. But if the world sees
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  Speaker 1: me as a creep, as a problem, maybe it's better
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  Speaker 1: if I don't go. Perhaps the depressed side of my
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  Speaker 1: mind is right. Not wanting to be slapped with such
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  Speaker 1: a label is why I don't talk to women at
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  Speaker 1: the gym, let alone, make eye contact. I look away
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  Speaker 1: like a nervous dog. It's one of the few places
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to go each day, and a creep branding
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  Speaker 1: would be devastating. It's why I look at the floor
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  Speaker 1: when a girl with pants tight enough to spot polyps
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  Speaker 1: from across the room walks past. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be the problem them.
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  Speaker 2: What good Lord, that's like the least appetizing description of it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's it is the way women direct.
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  Speaker 2: You could always you could always do this kind of
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  Speaker 2: a I don't know, a n eg just walk up
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  Speaker 2: to her and give her a card to a proctologist.
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  Speaker 1: I think that, yes, you'll, you'll, you'll be permanently banned
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  Speaker 1: if you do that permanently.
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  Speaker 2: Ba what if you are a proctologist.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the women being ashamed of their
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  Speaker 1: of of that. Again, anyway, he was just making a joke.
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  Speaker 1: If anything, He's just saying that their pants are so
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  Speaker 1: tight they might as well not be y at all.
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  Speaker 2: I actually not at all. I actually saw that. Like
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  Speaker 2: the last time I went to a gym was like
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  Speaker 2: early two thousands. And it's not because I don't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: It's because we don't really have a gym where I am.
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  Speaker 2: It's very rural, so our exercise options are generally go
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  Speaker 2: out and walk around, maybe go out and run around
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  Speaker 2: and hiking. But regardless, the last time I was in
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  Speaker 2: a gym was decades ago. And then we were in
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  Speaker 2: the city and there was this gym. We're parked in
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  Speaker 2: front of this gym and it was like an open
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  Speaker 2: there's glass and I saw this woman walking around in
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  Speaker 2: the gym and I'm like, is that painted on? And
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  Speaker 2: it was like, nobody twenty years ago would be caught
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  Speaker 2: dead looking like that in a gym. No, you just
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  Speaker 2: you wore your leotard with like a baggy shirt over it,
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  Speaker 2: like oh, and it was I'm like, put something on.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're wearing less now than they did back then.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even if they're even if they have no
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  Speaker 1: business doing that, because I go to the gym twice
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  Speaker 1: twice a week with Lindsay, right, and yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: and I they they wear less than that. And even
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay commented on it more than me. She's like what
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  Speaker 1: because Lindsay used to be a gym rat big time,
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  Speaker 1: like in Calgary she's all the time. And she was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they the clothes were nothing like this, So you and
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  Speaker 1: I think that it is. It is just like because
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  Speaker 1: of things like social media. You know, women will go
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  Speaker 1: to the gym, they'll set up a tripod in their phone,
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  Speaker 1: they'll do the they'll get on the good girl bad
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  Speaker 1: girl machines, you know, you know what I'm talking about,
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  Speaker 1: the ones that do like the thigh fat they work
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  Speaker 1: out that. Yeah, they show off their pussy fat. They
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  Speaker 1: they'll seriously, they'll be on like the stare machine. They'll
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  Speaker 1: be on the you know, working the glutes. And but
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  Speaker 1: it's all about like putting up content. So that's that's
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  Speaker 1: a shame, but it's true. So yeah, this guy's making
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  Speaker 1: a joke about essentially the the the way that women
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  Speaker 1: treat the gym versus men.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no need for it, like the the twenty
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  Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah, like I said, you put a lie
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  Speaker 2: tard on in his shirt, and you fine, you didn't
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  Speaker 2: need to show off everything. I think. I usually just
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  Speaker 2: wore sweatpants, you know. Yeah, just I mean, like you
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  Speaker 2: just need something that isn't gonna get caught and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mostly just did like running, and this was when
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  Speaker 2: I was a lot a lot less sedentary and I
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  Speaker 2: could actually do pull ups and things. And that's when
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  Speaker 2: I was doing like a jiu jitsu. But Yeah, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't remember that at all at all, nor did
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  Speaker 2: I go there with that in mind. Of course, I
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  Speaker 2: was married at the time. I'm still married. Sorry, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's a really weird way to put it. I was
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  Speaker 2: married then and I am married now to the same man,
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  Speaker 2: and I wasn't looking for anything, So maybe that's part
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  Speaker 2: of it. But yeah, you never again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure that women are at the gym
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  Speaker 1: looking for anything accept attention, like they're looking to be validated,
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  Speaker 1: they want they want an excuse on social media look
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  Speaker 1: at these creeps, right, But it's it's all it's all
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  Speaker 1: just to humble brag. You know what, what is the
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  Speaker 1: it's not even humble bragging, because humble bragging is like
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  Speaker 1: there's like you're like sort of beating yourself up in
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  Speaker 1: the hopes to like fish for compliments. This is more
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  Speaker 1: like beating up other people to fish for compliments or like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so it's it's something else. It's not humble
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  Speaker 1: anyone fully bragging.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's also like it's really just to I
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  Speaker 2: know we're belaboring this a bit, but it's also not
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  Speaker 2: very fair, you know, like it's a it's a denial
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  Speaker 2: of you know, the human organism, right, Like, if you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have your tits and your ass on this and
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  Speaker 2: moving around like they're trying to seed from the union,
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  Speaker 2: you expect men not to look, and if they do look,
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  Speaker 2: you you get them evicted. That's just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not fair to many. They're like they like
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  Speaker 1: they unless they train their peripherals. You know, got to
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  Speaker 1: train your peripherals, peripheral visions. Well that's what I was
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  Speaker 1: without without it, and then you have like you can
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  Speaker 1: get away with it, but anyway, those peripherals. Yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to be the problem. I set my
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  Speaker 1: phone down on the bed. Once upon a time, social
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: media was all food posts and kitten videos. I miss
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: those days. Refraining from further doom scrolling, I head for
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  Speaker 1: the bathroom where I keep the light off to avoid
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  Speaker 1: judgments for the mirror.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what else it was. It was leeching
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  Speaker 2: manga downloads on I r C.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 2: You don't a good old day.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, okay, well what is what in media?
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could call it doom scrolling if it's
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: sort of like you're just wasting your time and you're
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: just like swiping through videos. But I normally come across
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  Speaker 1: fun stuff like guys doing like celebrity impressions, you know
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  Speaker 1: that are really funny and like Shane Gillis clips. I
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  Speaker 1: like that stuff, or you know, mean mean videos from
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  Speaker 1: video games that I've streamed on my channel, like Half
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Life and Fallout. That's what I see. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I don't see a lot of like whatever,
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  Speaker 1: like the Doomer content, And that's crazy because I work
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  Speaker 1: at this channel. So no, no, I don't well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Sometimes I wonder. I'm trying not to be,
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  Speaker 1: but sometimes I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think being honest about what the problem is
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  Speaker 2: is dooming.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not really the talking about the problem. It's
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  Speaker 1: people's reaction to the to the information.
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  Speaker 2: I know people are like, all this stuff is so
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  Speaker 2: sad or so stressful. It's like, but it's it is
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  Speaker 2: what it is right, and to understand what's actually going on,
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  Speaker 2: I find it a relief clarity. You learn what you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to pay attention to and and what isn't
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  Speaker 2: worth your time and what not to really invest in.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just put I'll just say this. I'm not. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying we shouldn't talk about the problem. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we do. But they're but they're I think that people
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  Speaker 1: are can be very demoralized. I'm not blaming it on us,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: but like you know, it's the state of things. But
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I think that we need to like uh, people need
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: to figure out a better way to exist because I
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: think that the doumerism and the nihilism is actually the
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  Speaker 1: goal of our enemies. That's what I'm saying, Like we're
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  Speaker 1: giving them what they want when we basically engage in that.
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  Speaker 1: Like this guy here in this blog is talking about
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  Speaker 1: how and look I'm not I'm not pretending like he's
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  Speaker 1: not experiencing depression or loneliness. But the thing is if
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  Speaker 1: he gives into that, then they win, That's what That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you have to do something anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I got a super chow.
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  Speaker 2: You heard it here. Brian said the way to get
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  Speaker 2: away from dumerism is not let the fuckers win.
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  Speaker 1: Don't let them win, deny them that for that satisfaction alone.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Dark Kiki Mora says, for five dollars a super chow, Alison,
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  Speaker 1: can you play my video from a few days ago.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe at the end, I'm not trying to make money.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to help boys and parents.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I got to stop the video thing. All right.
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  Speaker 2: We can't play videos on a video so if you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna send a video, it'll just show up in the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: super chan super chat channel and anybody who's on the
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: discord can watch it. It's just it's getting a little
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: crazy and so like it's like the it's an issue
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: of the tragedy of the commons. I can only imagine
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  Speaker 2: the flood gates we would open. Well maybe not the
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  Speaker 2: trickle gates, but it would be a lot of weird stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, let's uh all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let's uh yeah, let's keep going. So uh, the
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  Speaker 1: judgmental voices in my head are more than enough. Depression
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  Speaker 1: comes and goes like the peaks and valleys of erratic
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  Speaker 1: sound waves. It would be nice if there were non
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  Speaker 1: drug ways to equalize it. But other than sleep and
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: bouts of masturbation to briefly flood my brain with happy chemicals,
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  Speaker 1: I have yet to discover a suitable method. There are
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  Speaker 1: some really terrible men out there. That's what my computer
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  Speaker 1: tells me. As I sit down for work, I don't
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  Speaker 1: need the headline. I know it. I've met some of them.
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  Speaker 1: As the lone brother of two sisters. I found it
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  Speaker 1: my I found it my sworn creed to protect them
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  Speaker 1: from such vile humans. It's never ending tour of duty.
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  Speaker 1: But now, despite the years of service to the women
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  Speaker 1: in my family, I'm also lumped in with the worst
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  Speaker 1: of the worst. Well, I hate to tell you this, bro,
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  Speaker 1: but I think you did that to yourself. Like, I
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  Speaker 1: get that you want to protect the people closest to
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  Speaker 1: you from other people, but you understand that your assumptions
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  Speaker 1: right there, there's a lot baked into that paragraph, Like
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  Speaker 1: you're still trying to separate yourself from other men. You're
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  Speaker 1: still trying to say, well, you know, I can understand
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  Speaker 1: why other guys are getting shit, but I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why I'm getting shit. I look out for my sisters.
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  Speaker 1: I was good. I was a good one. But it
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  Speaker 1: didn't help. Yes, you got lumped in. Guess what, because
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  Speaker 1: you are the worst of the worst. According to these people,
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  Speaker 1: we're all the worst of the worst. It's all it
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  Speaker 1: like it was always that and you fell for it
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  Speaker 1: because you wanted to be on top in some way.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so anyway, I don't know if you want
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  Speaker 1: to say anything, You're right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you get sucked into the ego supply of
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  Speaker 2: being not like the other men, which is like the
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  Speaker 2: easiest way to develop a sense of being superior. Right
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: for a man to say to himself, I care unlike
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: other men. I care about women. That is it's a
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: it's basically a non non action in terms of developing yourself.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying by putting down other men,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and it's it's so easy that it gets it, I think,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: addictive to a lot of these guys. And when you
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: do that, you invite women who agree with you into
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: your life. So if you're gonna if you're going to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: enjoy the position of being not like the other men,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to also eat the downside, which is
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you're going to bring in women who agree with you
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and are always putting you on trial for not being
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: like the other men. And you're also going to invite
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: all of the noise of the other men and how
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: they are, which incidentally is all bullshit, but it feeds
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: that supply of specialness and the guy who's addicted to it.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: So you got to start with yourself kick that shit out,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you'll probably feel a lot better, a lot less depressed.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And the thing is that he probably thinks that this
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: specialness makes him feel better in the moment, like buying
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: into this narrative makes him feel better in the moment.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: But you can never escape actually being a man, and
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: you can never really escape the messaging around men unless
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you just completely become a woman or become a trans woman.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: You disavow your identity as a man. So you're exchanging
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: these momentary hits of specialness for constant grind of being
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: told you the problem. It's not a good trade to
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: just kick it all out. As Tom Golden says, men
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: are good, you know, and as I say, men are
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the solution. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna put it right
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: out there, like you talk about, you know where I
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: guess doomerism. The thing is that for me, the fact
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: that our institutions are failing us all on a fundamental level,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that's just fact. Like we can look at it and
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: it's everywhere. And I can tell you I've gone through
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: multiple different instances of institutional lying and failure in terms
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of maintaining its expected output. Like Boeing naval procurement BP,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the deep Water Horizon accident, like it's over and on
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: and on and on. The lies, the denial of what
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: you're there to do, like the publishing industry not creating
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: product that anybody wants, and then pretending like there are
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: sales in Estonia that make up for the fact that
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: nobody's buying in the US, like this constant, constant drum
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: beat of failure of our institutions. And yeah, I guess
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: that's dumerism, except in my opinion, the solution comes from men.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: You know, once, once there's a terminal failure, terminal cascade,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: men are just gonna pick up the shovels and fix it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: You know, they're gonna do the thing that they do
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: on Bear Gillis Island, the survivors. They're gonna build the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the uh uh bear girls. Yeah, they're gonna build their
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: h rousseau, the family rousseau like bamboo infrastructure. You know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: that's that's what's gonna happen. And so the ultimate I mean, yeah,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: everything is sort of crap, but the solution comes down
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: to all of us, right, all of us in the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: on the ground floor. We are the solution. And for me,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: that's uplifting, right anyway, Let's continue.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: All right, So half of my social feeds are about
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the treachery of all men, of why men date certain people,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: and how men act a specific way. On occasion, I'll
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: read one I learned that I don't like dating women
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: in the US because I can't pull the wool over
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: their eyes anymore. I always figured it was because I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: moved away, or because two of my last three dates
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in the States ghosted me at pf chains. Few things
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: are as embarrassing as a server taking away the empty
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: chair you promise would be filled and giving it to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: another table, the wooden legs dragging on stone to draw
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: further attention. Thank god the article educated me as being
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: at fault because I had sworn off the local dating
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: scene and the restaurant chain, and long last, I can
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: finally eat their dynamite shrimp again. It's not to say
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: say the men the authors refer to aren't bad. The
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: amalgam of toxic masculinity created in the stories is obviously
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the worst of the worst, and even the fragments of
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: experience used to create the umbrella masculinity.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to put it out there. We're not.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: We're not accepting that concept here.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, of course not.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I can't identify a single bit of positive masculinity. Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: they just mean all masculinity. Go ahead, Brian, Sorry, yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: No, it's okay. And even the fragments of experience used
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to create the umbrella definition of unobjectionable of objectionable men,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: he said, uh, with a you that's misspelling. Objectionable men demonstrate,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: demonstrate how abominable some males are. I just can't relate
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: as the first person to overtly judge myself. I don't
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: see myself in much of what they say. So I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: see this guy's problem. He's a male feminist. Like, that's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: what I'm getting from this right off the bat. He's
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a male feminist, and his male feminism has not rewarded him.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing he used the term talk to masculinity. He
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: talks about how awful other men are. He was raised
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: around women. There's no way that that's not what this
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: guy is mm hmm.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Although he just doesn't.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: He just feels like he's like in the AOI damage
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of like the all man blaming. He's like in the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: area of a fact and he's like, well, wait, wait
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: a minute, that's like friendly fire. I'm with you, guys,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: why are you attacking me?
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, although honestly I have said in the past because
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I've seen this happen on Twitter and there was this
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: guy who was some feminists said well, I don't even
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: like it when men congratulate themselves on being feminist allies
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and doing everything we say. There should be no sense
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: of self congratulation for doing the bare minimum. And this
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: guy had the incredible audacity to say, hey, I agree,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and then he got dog pot by a whole bunch
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: of feminists and I'm like looking at this and I'm like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I actually sent them a message. I said,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: you know, we are on a we are on opposite
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: sides of this issue, but thank you for actually giving
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: a shit about women. I'm sorry that these women will
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: never care and we'll just shit on you for it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, you know, he's trying to give a
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: shit about women, right. I don't want men to think
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that that's like the standard they should necessarily hold themselves to.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, as you know, at least
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: some I'm recognizing it that that is what is going on.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: It's like these some of these guys. They think that
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: this is the way that they do chivalry, now that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: they show that they care about women, that they show
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: that they put women first, that they show that they're
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: a man who's suitable, right, And it just bugs me
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: how withholding these women are so even though I don't
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: agree with his what he's doing, and I appreciate that
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: he wants to help, that makes sense. And I'm just
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I'm really freaking tired of the beating down on men.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: No, I get it, I get it. I'm just I'm
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: not beating.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: On him, but I know he definitely needs a bit
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: of beating.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: But like Towarry, he's in this position because of his essentially,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: like a male feminist is just a man who takes
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the romantic, the romantic chivalry model and attaches it to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the modern feminist model and basically says, this is the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: kind of man I have to be to be a
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: good man. So he's like hyper gynocentric, right, but also
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: self flagellating, like like you know, thinks slowly of himself
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: at the same time, so it's worse than you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the average kind of like ginocentric, where you just like
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: are again seeing women as the prize and as the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the thing that men have to earn and work for
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: and kneel before and stuff like that. But for these guys,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: like they don't even like they're also kind of attacking
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the men that are their peers, but they're still operating
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: within the framework. I don't know if you know what
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, and I'm not saying this because I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: want to attack this guy. I'm saying that this is
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this is the cause of his pain, this is the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: cause of his suffering. It's all. It's basically self inflicted really,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: because if he could like shake that off, he could
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: stop giving a fuck with women what women think and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: just like live his life right whether they're there or not.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: He but like all of this, I'm guessing this whole
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: thing is being written because he cares too much about
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: what women think. That's why this paper exists. And I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: know loneliness is real, and I know that it's difficult,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I'm not being dismissive of that,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying this is where it comes from in
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: my in my opinion, yeah.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Or just be really more discerning about the what women's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you know, the opinions the women who he feels like
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: their opinion of him is important, although it might be
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: difficult because it doesn't sound like he has any woman
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: in his life who his opinion is worth it.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Damn yeah, exactly, and and and and yet he's still
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: trying to find a way because I mean, like this,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: this post or whatever is I think a desire to
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: reach out to someone, but I don't know that a
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: man could comfort him because he's already he's attacking men
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: in this post. I mean, he's saying it's some men,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: but you know, he's not exactly like saying, oh, I
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: know some really good guys, and I don't think they
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: deserve this either. He's just saying I don't deserve this.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I know bad men, but I'm not one of those. Right,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: So it's not like he's not defending men. He's defending himself.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: But also he doesn't get get it. The only score
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: you get as a male feminist is by saying, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: am one of those, but I at least admit it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the that's the extent of.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You're never going to get, You're never going to get,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and that that only really works if you are actually
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: a narcissist or a sociopath. If you are, if you
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: are a normal human being or a normal man who's
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: been raised in this society and has been had since
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: he was a child, has his natural masculine orientation being
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: called being a defective girl and had feminist pedagogy, try
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: attempt to beat it out of him until he tries
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to do the female thing and try to get validation
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: from the social web. You know, if you're if you're
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: that type of guy, but you're not inherently a narcissist
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: or sociopath, you're not actually as served by this system
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: because you're constantly looking for hey, I'm a good person,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: or at least recognition of it, without recognizing that you
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: can find that in yourself right. You don't need to
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: look for it from women who are never going to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: give it to you. You know, and the fact that
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: you do not identify with evil men would suggest that
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you might not be yourself somebody who does these things.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, the guys who the guys you should really
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: be suspicious of are the ones who are like, yes,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I am exactly like that, and I'm better than the
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: ones that are because I admit it. I'm not going
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: to stop, but I admit it like that's Those are
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the guys who are really scary. The ones are like,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you know, can I get a break? Can I not
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: like be be cast as evil every second of the day?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Can you can? You can the relational web actually recognize
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: that I might not be constantly trying to being a
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: murderous serial killer rapist. And those guys who were wanting
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the relational reb web to confirm their inherent goodness, those
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: are the guys who are just really screw screwed by
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: this entire system, right, And you never were not going
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to get that because you are meant to be the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: relational web scapegoat my dude, So you always have to
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: be in the state of being evil or the state
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: of being cast is evil or being not evil, because
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: there is no objective evil, of course, but being outside
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the relational web, which is effectively being evil. They just
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: don't want to take responsibility for actually presenting something as
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: objective and so it's like, yeah, you're never going to
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: get that. Yeah, okay, let's keep going.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: All right, let's see it's not I read that part
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but is but it's in right online, so it must
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: be true. I am the problem, after all, One story
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: blamed all men for other men sexually abusing women. The
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: fault of one is the fault of all. If a
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: friend of mine ever did such a thing, we would
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: no longer be friends. I'd hold him accountable, though my
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: nearest friend is five thousand miles away, so I'm not
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: sure how much good that would do. Well, dude, you
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: need to like find some friends closer to than five
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: thousand miles. Like, go touch grass, get out of the house.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Stop living online. I don't know that. It kind of
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: annoys me that people are like my friends are far away. Well,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: go out there and make some meet some dudes. Go
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to a bowling alley or a bar, or a library
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. Stop going to the movies
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: by yourself. Talk to the guy at work. I don't know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: do something. I'm sorry. It's not something you can't change.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: No, well, not unless he gets out of feminism, because
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: the thing is that he within the feminist framework, he's
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: gonna think validation from the social web is the only
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: way that he's going to get a sense of himself.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And this is the thing, Like, this is what they're doing,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the boys, they're taking that kind of boyish testing themselves
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: against the environment and learning who they are through that
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: process of feedback and finding things you can fail at
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and then mastering them that kind of thing, And that's
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: where you take your identity from and they've replaced it
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: with this dude who's trying to take an identity from
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: his position within the feminist relational web. And it's like,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that is a fool's errand sir, that is that is
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: don't do that, because that's never gonna happen for you. Never.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You don't. Don't beseech these appalling harpies for anything. Yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: just get out, just walk out backwards, you know, with
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: staying out and glowing blue. All right, Okay, let's go.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: So let's see years earlier, a woman I just met
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: on a dating app and never in person, invited herself over.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: It didn't take long for her to become handsy and insists.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: We moved to the bedroom, but the removal of shirts
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: and pants took with them her defenses, and under the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: cover of darkened sheets, she broke down. She'd recently been
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, she confided, and she just wanted an intimate
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: moment to cover up her last experience. So when someone
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: touched or kissed her. Whatever that other man had done
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first thing, the most recent thing she
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: thought of. In a strange way, I felt I was
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: honored she felt comfortable enough for me to be that person.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: We didn't do anything that night. She fell asleep crying
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: in my arms. I didn't know her last name. Dude,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: she's got baggage. I don't know that. Uh. Somebody in
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the chat said, nobody makes friends like that nowadays. I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: promise you, if I can figure out what this guy
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: is into, I can lay out a very simple plan
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: for him to make some friends.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I can.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I can lay it out in the vicinity, and the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: technology that we have will actually make that easier for him.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: So anyway, this sounds like something out of a movie,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this chick coming over, and the thing is he is
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: feeling bad. She was the one looking to get laid,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and she was the one who ended up changing her mind.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: But he's the one that's sort of like in this.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I felt honored that she was comfortable for me to
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: be that No, dude, she was a whack job, and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you're lucky that it didn't because if you would have
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: done something with her that could have made things a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: lot worse because you might have gotten attached, emotionally caught
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: feelings for someone who was not emotionally available. What you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: should have done was not taken that step, especially because
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you didn't know her last name. Just talk to her,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: get to know this person, and then like say, hey,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: let's hang out again, to take it slow, you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: but I mean whatever, just saying that's what I would do.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Well, he does no sense of his own like vulnerability
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: in all of this.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't have boundaries for himself.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't have boundaries for himself, which is not
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: a surprise because he is a feminist man and it's
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: not like you. The thing is that even when I'm
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: reading stuff from like the noir from like the thirties
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: and forties, there is this kind of undercurrent of men
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: feeling like they aren't really men unless they're taken care
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: of or protecting something, unless they're predatory, in which case, right,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you know, it's more it's like looking at the dark
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: side of humanity. But the ones who are you know,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: more more like a positive protagonist who's maybe being sucked
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: into something over his head. You know, there is that
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: kind of they want to protect and provide, and it
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: is actually simultaneously the way that they're made vulnerable over
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and over again in a lot of cases because they
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: end up protecting and providing for the wrong woman, or
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: doing it in a way that ends up destroying themselves.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And I mean sometimes they escape, Like the Maltese falcon,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: he put his bond with his partner over the femme
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: fatale running away with her, so he had to uphold
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: the honor of the private dick over you know, his dick.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: And that's like one guy escaping that and realizing it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: probably not worth it, but it was a huge cost.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And then I think double indemnity also sort of ends
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: that way to have to relook at it again. But
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: still there's that kind of that kind of inherent quality
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: in men that they see themselves in terms of protecting
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: and providing for others, and that's sort of what this
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: guy is doing. And the irony is that his feminist
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: belief systems doesn't allow him to recognize that about himself,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: so that means he's has no way of setting up
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: boundaries around it, you know, like a man who would
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: be careful, I be like, yeah, I could, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: like you Brian said, I could catch feelings, I could
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: be hurt by this woman, so I have the right
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: to kind of vet her and see if she's somebody
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: that's worth investing in. And of course there's all of
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the articles now from women that say a man who
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: is quote unquote standoffish and it doesn't instantly jump in
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: your lap and love bomb you is somehow a red
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: flag and they wonder why they're all dating narcissists like
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: it's and again it's because this the man who's standoffish
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: or at least reserved, knows he's got something on. He's like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: he's got something to lose, he's got some he's got
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: some skin in the game. A narcissistant sociopath don't. Their
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: skin in the game is your skin.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And guys like this who are not naturally narcissistic or sociopathic,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: those are the guys who are really, you know, winning
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: big and all of this. But this dude, who's just
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: a normal schlub, probably with the normal schlub's desire to take,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: protect and provide for women without it, but in a
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: ideological framework where he can never recognize that as an
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: urge he has as a man and might want to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: be careful about. And that's what's interesting about noir because
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that's recognized and there are like cautionary tale after cautionary
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: tale after cautionary tale of men getting taken advantage of
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: just that way, and that's gone from our storytelling now.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so he needs to set like you said, Brian,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: he needs to set boundaries, but he can't because he's
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: a feminist man.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm sorry. I'm looking at the chat too.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: No superchows yet or super chats. I mean, we got
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: one right at the beginning, but it's been all right,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and I had to deny.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, no, we're not playing your video, but yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: get those super chows in, all.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Right, thank you. Hello Royalty has a name? All right?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Uh So let's say I got to greet the people
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: in the vertical chat because of the way the I
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: checked it out. And when you're on the phone you
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: come across a vertical video, there's like you can't see
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: the chat first, and you have to hit like a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: say hello button that shows that you're interested in what
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: we have to say, so we should probably say hello back.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: So Hello Royalty has a name, all right? Anyway, back
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: to the article. The articles say I'm responsible for what
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: happened to her. I don't know what more I could
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: have done. There are bad men out there, truly. I
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: wish I could do more, but I do what I can.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Just some mornings, it's hard to wake up and be
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: lumped in with them, to be told that I'm no better,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: that I'm the problem. You see where this is going,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: moving around between cities and countries. I don't always know
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: many people in my area in Malta, where I currently live.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: My three legged dog has more extremities than I have connections. However,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I know one man. He's from Turkey and we go
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to the same gym. He's the guy who's always there,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: no matter what time of day or night you arrive.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: He greets you with a smile and a handshake and
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: a pat on the back. He's the first to compliment
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: others no matter what they're doing. Fucking Chad, Turkish guy.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: I just got a picture of the giga Chad meme.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: He's got like a you know, he's just paying guys
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: on the back and saying, man, you do good? How
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: much you live to say so already? Okay, so I
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: have a solution right off the bat. Okay, for this
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: guy's problem. Find out if your gym has some kind
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of like events, or maybe they have like social media
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: where other people gather a Facebook page, a discord server.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Get on those faces and then see what other people
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: doing and try to like do stuff with them. If
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the only thing that you do with your spare time
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: is go to the gym, then make that a place
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: where you can like link up with other dudes, maybe
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: dudes that like can help you out with like your
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: workout routine or whatever. And that's just a really simple
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: starting point, right So, right off the bat, that's how
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you do it. So anyway, it shows the mis ceremonial dagger.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Turkish guys have ceremonial daggers, but anyway, okay,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: so okay, Oh he says, your brother, you are huge,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: he will say, with genuine enthusiasm and an accent heavier
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: than the weights. It's genuine and emboldens you to do
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: your best. He has a way of making you feel
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: good about yourself. One day, when returning to the locker room,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I found him sitting alone, his eyes on the ground. Okay,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: almost stop there for a second, I don't know if
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: this guy's real, but I like this Turkish guy. Finally, finally, somebody,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: somebody uplifting and they're in Malta. Isn't that like an island?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: And I don't know where that is? Okay? Anyway, his
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: eyes were on the ground. How's it going, I asked.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: He looked to me with a masked smile that could
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: rob a bank. His eyes gave him away after a beat.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: The smile, cracked depression is real, brother, it is hard.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: His eyes sank to the floor. Then, as if out
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of instinct, he sat upright with a genuine smile back
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: on his face. But you must keep going, Am I right? Dude?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So this guy real? I mean, look, that be this
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: guy's friend. It's what I'm saying right anyway. It's the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: exact opposite of what the women I've met in Malta
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: have said to me. Everything is so easy for me. Here,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: two different dates said, as if reading from the same
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: cue cards, it is so easy to make friends. Each
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of the dates were the kind where you can can't
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: get a word in. You have to wait for them
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to take a breath to add anything. I think both
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: for fine evenings, though, did not meet up again. I
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: like being part of the conversation, not a spectator. Is
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: a solo dinner? Oh go ahead, Ali, I'm.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Sorry I said a boundary, Yeah, a strange one like
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: this is like a I want more attention from my date.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: That's uh, okay, that's a little bit odd for a man,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: but okay.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Is a solo dinner where I'll be alone and my
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: thoughts worth than a dinner with a one sided conversationalist
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: where I'll be alone in theirs. Sometimes it feels like
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: we're all in entire, entirely different worlds. Admittedly, I wished
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I could relate with how easy those women made friends.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I find it difficult to make friends. Thought maybe some
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: of that is because I'm afraid of what the world
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: might think of me when I'm at a restaurant or
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: movie or gym alone. Uh could my Turkish? He has
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: a weird sentence.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I just want to say, this is this is definitely
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: feminist infection, like this is uh. And the thing is
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: that it's in his thinking too. You notice how everything
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: in this is about how other people see him, where
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: he is in the relational web. That's an important framework,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: right that That's probably one of the reasons why it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: reading weird. I think that maybe that you get that sense, Brian, Yeah,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: and it's it's because he's thinking in a very feminine way,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: and I don't think it's healthy for him. Like whatever
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: he's doing, I think he'd be I think I think
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: just getting off and trying to survive on an island
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: would really help clarify his thinking for him, or just
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: going into the woods or something then, but he probably
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: isn't the type of person or man who would do that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's he's not taking an identity from meeting
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the world and making something of it. He's taking an
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: identity from what people think of him in the relational web,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: and that's I would say, that's sort of a juvenile quality,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: except I don't.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Even think it does. An ego a component to that too.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an egotism, although, like I mean, he's not
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: wrong that the social web that he's part of does
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: not regard him very highly because he's a man. But
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the problem again is that I think he's putting a
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: lot of weight on it and how people regard him,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: and I think that's an imported characteristic, that's something that
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: he was taught going up through a school system in
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: which boys are defective girls like when you when boys
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: are taught stuff like that, they become reliant on the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: opinions of others in a way that I don't think
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: they are necessarily naturally. So there's this constant conflict. But again,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: like I mean, he just needs to look at his
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: life and say, I am basing my sense of self
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: on something I'm never gonna get. You are not going
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: to get approval from the female social web, my friend.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: It's not going to happen for you. So you just
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: make you gotta just look at that and make your
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: hard decision and find something else, okay, And it's just
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen, especially not this female social web. You know.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: There's this funny meme that went out, well that was
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: it a meme. It was like a tweet where they
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: were talking about what autistic I think men, probably what
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: autistic men did in the past, like how they survived
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: and how they integrated with their communities, and the assumption
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: was that, you know, they would have a problem with it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean like severely autistic, but just I
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: guess the type of autistic that's more Aspergers right, And
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: somebody said that there was a reindeer herder in like
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: I don't Scandinavia somewhere who was autistic, and his autism
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: made him memorize the genealogy of his like two thousand,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: five hundred strong reindeer herd, and because he'd done that,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: he was considered an honored elder of his tribe because
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: of this skill. And I'm like, I have no idea
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: why I started on this route, but boy, howdy, was
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: it quite a squirrel. But I think what I'm trying
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: to say is, you know, there are different ways or
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: in the past, the relational web that that dude was
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: embedded in rewards that kind of sense of like detail
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: about the world, an understanding world, And that's not the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: relational web we live in now, Like the guy, the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: relational web in which that guy's an honored elder. Yeah,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: it's not ours, that's not ours.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: The relational web that we exist in now will take
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: the most sociopathic, narcissistic man and say that he is
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: the good stuff. You don't want its approval, Nobody wants
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: it's approval. It's like that that autistic woman who was
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: crying about the fact that the relational web doesn't treat
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: her nicely. Well, yes, that's uh. Don't go into the
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: snake pit and complain about being bitten. Your only move
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: for both of them, this man and the autistic check
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: that we were talking about earlier. You remember that is
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: not into the radiator pit. That's the only move, that's
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: the only winning move. Don't go into the female blood
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: sports arena because there will be blood and it most
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: likely will be yours. So just stay out. And that's
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: what I would say this guy, like, you're you're expecting something.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: You're expecting kindness, you're expecting cat passion, you're expecting consideration,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: you're expecting understanding, you're expecting gratitude from the female relational
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: web of today. No, you are not going to get
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: any of those things. You are gonna get pain, you're
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: gonna get suffering, you're gonna get misery, you're gonna get viciousness,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get shift. Just stay away and don't don't
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: put anything on it. Don't put any kind of emotional
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: investment or identity investment in the female relational web. It
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: is a fool's Errand Okay, that was long, and let
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: us continue yeah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: No, it's fine, let's see Okay, admittedly, oh no, this
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: is a yeah about the friendship thing?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Shall I do another? I urge people to go to
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: feed the Badger dot com se just the tip and
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: put in a comment I remember where I left off
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: now and a tip.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, please consider doing that. Okay? Could my Turkish friend
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: or I walk through a park on a nice day
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: alone without judgment? It shouldn't matter, but eventually it's hard
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: to shake the thought. It sticks and festers.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: He's Turkish. Have you ever seen Turkish oil wrestling? You
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: probably could put your.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Hands in time to oil up? Yeah? Is he like?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Does he look like Hakan from Street Fight or four?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Because let me let me find a picture of that guy.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: That would be the ship.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, this is Turkey. Well it's Malta, but I'm guessing
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: that's close enough. Malta is between Turkey and Sicily in
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: the the Mediterranean. Okay, but if he's if he's Turkish? Yeah,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: have you seen Turkish oil wrestling? Have you seen like that?
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I think you're fine. I mean you could probably be
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: walking around with your hands in each other's pockets and
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: still be fine in Turkey. Yeah, they don't they don't
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: have They don't have the same sensibility as they do here. Yeah,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: or even like just just walking around with you know,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: your handle or your arm over his shoulder. Fine, it's Turkey.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Did they roll with that? They won't even blink. They
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: won't think you're gay, right, Like Turkish oil wrestling is
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the most non gay.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: With him. He's a good dude. I can't remember his
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: name now. It was very strange.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Point is that if he's walking in a park with
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: this Turkish friend, I don't think anybody's gonna think they're gay.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Like maybe they would do that in the States, but
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: not in Turkey. They got different rules.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, so so he's he says, could my Turkish
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: friend or I walk through a parking a nice day
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: alone without judgment? Alone alone?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Well, that is quite like a the it's like almost
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: like a swimming mask.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I see, it's like hair, except it seems
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: like it's been.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's his hair. It's his hair. Yeah, I know,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a strange design choice, very one piece
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: like mm hmm. Okay, well okay, it's uh so going
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: back to the article, I might as well just display
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: this because the article doesn't have any pictures. Uh, it
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: shouldn't matter, But eventually it's hard to shake the thought.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: It sticks and festers, like a spore that consumes its
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: host from the inside before sprouting. It's difficult to move past.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: We talked a bit more before I left the gym
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: for the day. I haven't seen him since.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Oh no, Turkish dude.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's fine. There's a little well again, does
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: the gym go to the gym? Do they have a website?
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Do they have some do they have forums? They have
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: like a discord server? Do they have social media some
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: kind like a Facebook page? I mean like when Lindsay
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: and I moved to Virginia, we didn't know anybody. Paul
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: was here, but it wasn't like he was just available
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to hang out. And plus, like, you know, us having
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the men's right stuff in common isn't quite enough to
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: like be like, oh, yeah, we're best friends. Now we're
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: gonna do stuff together. Right, It wasn't really a foundation
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: for that. So we had to find people to talk to,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and so we looked for a Facebook page where there
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: were people who lived in the area, and there you
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: can find that. I mean that's kind of what the
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: purpose of it is. And when I I wanted to,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: you know, because I do board gaming and tabletop gaming,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: or I used to. I went to the local game
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: shop and they had a Discord server. There's a couple
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: of them around here, and so I went to the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Discord server and I talked to people and coordinated with
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: them there, and I hung out with them a couple
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: of times. So it's not like you can't do it,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: you know that without and that's like barring you know,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: going to church and meeting people there. But if you don't,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: if you're not a church person and you don't want
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: to do that, that those are still options. So this
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: guy could literally just be like does the gym have
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: a website? Probably does do they have like forums? Do
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: they have like social you know places, and then meet
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: people there and like maybe reach out to your Turkish friend,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: can hang out.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: With that guy, you know, you know, you know what
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: else this is because I'm probably overstating, like this is
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: as feminine. This is actually the intersection between being taught
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: to attend to the relational web, primarily as a boy,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: because you're taught that you're a defective girl, and then
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: you have to learn to seek approval within the adult
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: female relational web of the feminist teachers that are abusing you.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: But it's like this intersection between that and the fact
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: that men do a lot of like monitoring, like self monitoring,
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: and it's even like a or even monitoring of the
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: environment and themselves as threat and any kind of environmental
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: threat to anybody who's underneath their their like their protection.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Then I'm saying this based on my analysis of like
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: cognitive modalities and how writers, male writers describe the process
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: of thinking. So I'm not just coming from nowhere with this,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: and it's something I've observed in men that I've talked to,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: is that there's a lot of am I a threat?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Am I a problem? Am I is my action or
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: even more importantly, my inaction going to cause people to
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: something to go wrong? And so there's this this kind
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: of thread, this custodial monitoring that's going on. And what
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: I'm what you see with this guy is the combination
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: of constantly trying to find himself in a coordinate in
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: the social web, interposed with like men's tendency to custodially
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: monitor with no termination point. Because the custodian. Custodial monitoring
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: usually ends in something physical. Okay, so the environment is
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: unsafe in these ways, or it is safe or no,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not a problem or something. It's just like it
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: there's some kind of termination point, at least at that moment,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: or at least it makes sense. But this has become
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: almost like his his narrative of a justification for the
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: web's condemnation of him. You know. So it's like he's
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: constantly in this loop of of monitoring, except it's directed
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: towards the web instead of anything concrete. Yet what I'm saying, yeah,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: and it's it's it's like it's no wonder guys are
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: committing suicide. Good lord, this is this is very bad.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Like this is very this is this dude has really
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: been abused by the system. And yeah, I know it's
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: sort of egotistical. But at the same time as this
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: is what he's taught to do. This is what he's
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: been taught to turn his own custodial monitoring to doing,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: is constantly monitoring his position in the Web. I don't
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: think women are quite this obsessive about it. Maybe but not.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: It's like I said, it's like this intersection between what
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: men do natively and then having it turned towards something
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: that they can't resolve in the same way that women do.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: So it's like this endless, self destructive loop. Okay, I
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: may not have said anything that makes any sense, but
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I'll put it out there anyway. Perhaps you can excavate something, all.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Right, all right, So, uh yeah, I can't speak for others,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: but if they're like me and they stay inside, away
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: from the world, they don't want to be the problem.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: I saw a video of a woman laughing on a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: lonely man. She said the epidemic was a myth that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: they're If they're lonely, it's their own fault. In a way,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: she might be right in that they let the words
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: of others influence them into being lonely. I say that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: because I live it. So he's basically saying she might
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: be right because I'm doing this.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, but uh, like does she So she's basically holding
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: men to a higher standard than she would hold other women.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Like if women can be destroyed by the word I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: don't know, uh, fireman or other stuff like that, Like,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: then how can like do you see what I'm saying?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Like she's saying men have to be held to a
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: higher standard of being in different other people's opinion, But women,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: of course, can be destroyed by the opinions of others
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: and controlled in ways that she would never allow that
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: the opinion of others control men. Right, So she's basically
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: saying that a man, your locus of control is internal
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: because you're a man. My locus of control is external
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: because I'm a woman. And because your locus of control
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: is internal. As a man, you should be able to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: overcome things that I cannot. But if you were ever
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: to tell me that you are held to higher expectations
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: as a man and thus have developed greater coping skills,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I would call that misogyny. Sleep Oh people are funny, Okay, Okay,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: So I.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Think many men like being problem solvers. They want to
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: fix things. They don't want to be the problem. It's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: better to be lonely than to be the problem.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yep. He's right. Yeah, I knew that there was a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: man somewhere in there.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Yep. But the videos say it's a myth. The tens
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: of thousands of likes and the hundreds of comments championing
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the thought give it further credence. If a man is
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: single without children in his forties, one woman with a
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: substantial following begins, you have to wonder what's wrong with
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: so Okay, let me read this again because I read
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: it wrong. If a man is single without children his forties,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: one woman with a substantial following begins, you have to
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: wonder what's wrong with him. I'm single and childless in
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: my forties. I was briefly married, but then my then
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: significant other decided I didn't need my heart or my
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: dignity as she slept with others. I guess that might
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: be what's wrong with me, or at least one of
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: the bullet points. So you're blaming yourself or your wife
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: being a piece of shit. Now you're back at the
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: not like, well.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I think he might be doing the female thing and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: saying I can't be responsible for this, and he's right,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: he's not, and maybe he's doing it so he doesn't
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: have to take responsibility for something else. Although like again,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: we go back to why are you expecting this from
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: the relational web? That the tuoperative bitch doesn't describe your life,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: She doesn't describe any man's life like Honestly, a man
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: could get to the age of forty with no relationship
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: and no kids, with nothing wrong with him, right, and
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: that's simply because he's invisible to most women. You know,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: there might be other factors involved, and part of the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: reason of that is again it's just I mean, I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: think that this is bigger. And I know that people
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: will say, oh, you're taking the responsibility out of men's hands,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: or it makes you know you've learned learned helplessness. But
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: when I look at the course of human history, this
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: seems to be a reoccurring problem. And the reoccurring problem
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: which is you can actually see it in for example,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the Talmud, which I know it's a religious document, but
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: it's also the document of a group of people who
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: survived the end of the Bronze Age. Right. They were
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: a call culture that managed to survive the social destruction
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: that you know it destroyed, well, it definitely put a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: dent in the Egyptian Empire. You know, it destroyed empires
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: around like I'm blanking on names, apologize guys, but general
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: destruction of empires at that time. And this was a
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: cultural group that survived, and that is going to cause
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: an imprint on the things they transmit generation after generation
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: after generation and the stories that they tell, and you
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: can see write in those stories that they recognize a
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: failure mode. And the failure mode is eerie in its
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: similarity to what we're seeing today, and that failure mode
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: is Lilith. And yes, I know that Lilith was originally
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: just a name of a demon or put on wards
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: to prevent like miscarriage and kids dying in infancy and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and then it was also
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: ended up being like a body folk tale. But that
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, because we're talking about a group of people
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: who was appropriating the mythology of an empire that imploded
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: and using it to enentrine the wisdom of why that happened.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: And they situate that wisdom the specific failure codecase in
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: women in Lilith and her refusal of a particular sexual position,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: which is man on top right, And everybody's like, oh wow,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: that's really ridiculous, but it isn't because it was more
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: than a refusal. It wasn't like the Song of Solomon.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: If you ever read that, it's really explicit and involves
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: all kinds of sexual activities that it might be frowned upon.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: That wasn't it What she was doing is she was
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: turning something that was sacred, the custodial bond, the custodial
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: and erotic bond between men and women, which we see
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: in other pair bonding mammals too right, and she was
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: turning it into a status contest. And that's explicitly where
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: they situated. The destruction of society is in women turning
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women into a status contest
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: in which if men express their desire there's their sexual
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: and custodial desire towards women, they're trying to dominate them,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: which is ridiculous because if you think, if you actually
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: look at the endocrine it's a situation where his entire
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: architecture is reorientating to protecting and providing for her. And
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: they turn that into a status contest between men and women.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Where do we see this now? It's everywhere in feminism
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: that they turn the relationship between men and women into
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the sight of oppression of women. It's a status contest,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: and that is explicitly the failure mode of the relational web,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: looking at the relationship between men and women and turning
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: it into a status contest. They're a relational web that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: is completely disconnected from any kind of reality. Now, what
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: kind of relational web? Where does that kind of relational
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: web form. I'll tell you where it forms. It forms
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: with women who live lives of incredible comfort with no
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: survival threat. They never have to engage with the world operatively.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: What does that sound like? It's a harem. What was
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: the Bronze Age? It was a series of harem cultures
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: centered around a palace, a command palace, a communist basically
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: a communist palace economy, right, And that's what the chows
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: lived through, and that's where they situated the failure mode
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: in women who turned relationships with men into status context contests.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: And why did they do that? Because they lived lives
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: of incredible luxury, safe, comfortable, right, And everything was about
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: status in the harem. It wasn't about a pair bond
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: with a man. It wasn't about producing anything. It was
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: about distributing goods through the palace economy. It was about
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: being incredibly comfortable. It was about trying to get your
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: son elevated to the position of sultan or pharaoh or whatever.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: That's what it was about. Completely divorced from reality and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: the running of reality. And these women constructed the conditions
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: for the destruction of a civilization, and it was situated
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: precisely in the belief that the relationship between men and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: women was a status contest, and from that also erupts
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: the whole like the only man who's good enough is
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know what at that point with the harem culture,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: the only man who's good enough is like the top
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: point zero one percent. Think about it, At that point,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: all of these women are only choosing the sultan, Like
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: that's a That is the terminal case of what we're
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: seeing right now in the dating industry, in the dating landscape,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: women turning sexual relationships with men into status contests. And
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: these status contests mean the only men who are good
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: enough are in the top what five percent? Now one percent,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: top one tenth of a percent, And that's the runaway
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: failure mode of a civilization. And is this Can you
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: take that average man getting back to the average man
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: in his forties without kids, Can you put that on
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: his shoulders? All of that is he responsible for the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: end of the Bronze Age because he just he couldn't
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: wife up a Harem girl because she wouldn't even freaking
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: leave her Harem to be wiped up, Like what do
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: you do? Well? What you do is you see you
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: do the c people thing and you get get your
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: uh you come in and you set fire to the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: granaries or something and then you run off with the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: harem girls. Yeah that's but we're not there yet.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, I got a super chow from
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Darkie Mora for five, who says, if I grow concern
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: with when people call me incoherent, is that an example
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: of relational web thinking?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: No, because you you can be.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: There.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: You go like, I'm gonna give you the Dutch answer.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be completely honest with you, Dicky. Yeah, Like, uh,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're less incoherent than some, but I think
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: you would get a lot further if you considered not
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: putting so much on people cognitively and try to just
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: reduce what you have down to set just the most
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: essential points. Now. I know I sound like a hypocrite
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: because you just went through a gigantic squirrel fest with me,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: but I try to I try to make a point,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: like I go to a lot of different places, but
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: I try to at least be coherent to a degree.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Just just reduce the walls of texts,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: you know, just try to make it like a couple
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: sentences that are the most important sentences.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, there we go, All right, back to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: the article or the substack, or at least one of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: the bullet points. Over the years, I've tried to put
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: together what broke long ago, though my heart routinely drops
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: to the ground, comedically flopping about, and just as it's
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: almost within my grasp, it's kicked further away. I try
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: my best to avoid reading or watching such stories, because
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: once you do, your entire feed is filled with nothing
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: but similar videos and articles. Makes you feel like the
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: rest of the world hates you, or at the very least,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world sees you as the problem.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just a guy who's trying, who fails but wants
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: to continue on, whose heart is cracked and bruised and
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: stomped and kicked. But someday it would be nice to
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: reclaim the videos and articles I occasionally.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Whatever you want, say what I said, You can do
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: that whenever you want. Well, at least you're not not
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: granting these people the benefit of just choosing your identity
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: for you, like reclaim your heart from the relational Web,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Sir sees it like Indiana Jones sees the Holy Grail.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Sometimes those clickbait titles just suck me in. That's on me.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: It can be hard to avoid. I mean, the articles
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: are addressed to all men, and it's difficult to fully
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: turn down anything addressed to you, even when you know
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: it's junk mail. When your name is on it, it's
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: hard not to see what's inside. Sure, it'll probably be
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: another credit card offer or discount some fabric softener. But
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: what if it's not. Maybe it's my ego that tells
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: me the articles and videos are bound to have a
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: different ending. Yes, it is for those for there to
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: be a thought provoking twist, but there never is the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: content blasphey for not listening. I'm sure my mother would
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: have agreed with that sentiment when I was a kid.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: But I'd like to think I'm better now. Oh ah, okay,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: well we're getting another peek into the problem here. Indeed,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't look at the women in the
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: gym because I've been told not to. I don't approach
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: strange women because I'm not supposed to. Hell, pretty soon
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I may not go to the movies or go to
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: restaurants or to parks because I'm informed that I'm a creep.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I listen. I don't want to be a problem. But
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: then I get lonely and I'm told there is no
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: male loneliness epidemic, and it confuses me. I listen and
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: do what I'm told. Oh but wait a minute, Wait
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: a minute, you just said earlier. I don't approach strange
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: women because I'm not supposed to. I don't look at
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: the women in the gym because as I've been told
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: not to.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I see, yeah, so you do, so you are told,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: and you're doing what you're told. That's the problem. I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: listened and do what I'm told, and none of that
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: seems to be enough. Yeah, because never mind, other men
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: don't listen, which means I don't either. Short of going
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: the way of Hemingway and open mouth kissing a shotgun,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what would address everything, because at least
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: then that would be one less creep, one less problem,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: one less man who shouldn't.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: No nose. Finish the last sentence, because then I want
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: to dress some Hemingway.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Some articles might say the only good man is a
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: dead one.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Actually, know what's interesting about hemingway is that his mother
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: during like the like the Lake Victorian era, there was
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: this fashion of sissifying boys. So they would dress boys
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: up as girls in order to stop them from being boyish.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: So this whole kind of behavior is not unique to feminists.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Women just seem to have this compulsion that comes out.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: And I think it's because you know, again oxytocin generalists,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: they have they have too comfortable a life. They don't
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: engage at the operative layer, they don't develop those skills,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: and there's there's a deep, deep cruelty to those kinds
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: of women. So that's what his mother did to him, right.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: And then after he had gone to the war, although
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: he wasn't he wasn't involved, like in the worst of it,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: she would manipulate and shame him based on the manhood
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: that she attempted to stop him from developing when he
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: was a kid by dressing him up as a girl. Right,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: So the fact that this guy was screwed up, you know,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: it's it's sort of understandable. It seems like this this
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: dude might be in the similar situation. Because this is
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: what's so egregious about this whole thing. These feminists will
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: kneecap boys developing the skills necessary for manhood or developing
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: who they are as men, developing their masculinity, and insist
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: that they supplicate to the relational web and think in
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: those terms, and then turn around and implicitly expect them
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: to live up to these standards of manhood, like that
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: woman who says, well, you shouldn't care what other people think.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: So they deliberately inculcate in boys that they care about
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: what other people think, that they not develop an identity
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: through testing themselves against the world, that they sissify them.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: And then when they grow up and they have any
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: kind of need, they insist that they act like they'd
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: act court according to the stoicism and eating the risk
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: and not being a burden of manhood, you know, putting
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: other people first, protecting and providing for others the very
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: manhood that these women have kneecapped them developing, you know,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying. Yeah, And then we render
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: why men have a loneliness epidemic or are struggling like
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's obvious to me. And the irony
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: is that I think that it's going to get worse,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: like for men who are part of the intelligentsia, which
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I think he probably is right, who are part of
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: white collar work that isn't engineering or programming. This is
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: going to get worse because there you have to appeal
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: to the relational web. But guys who aren't closer to
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: the substrate, like closer to industry, like real industry that
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: build stuff and infrastructure and mechanics work and other stuff
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: like that, I don't think they're going to have as
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: much of this problem because they have something else to
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: develop an identity based on that is testing your self
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: against reality that has constraints that are unarguable. Like you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: if you're repairing a helicopter, the rotor either works or
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: it doesn't. If you are dealing with electricity, the electricity
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: you know there's either a blackout or there isn't right.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: So all of these things interface with the real world
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: and give real world feedback. Doesn't work? Does it not work?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: And I think that that development of the sense of
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: self in contest with reality helps those guys have something
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: more than this constant turning your custodial monitoring to try
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to belong to the relational web.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: When let's face it like expecting men to figure out
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: or placate the relational web, you know, like men are.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Men are under a real hand indicap there, like even women,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: most women can't manage it, like it like, relational web
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: navigation is a extremely difficult sport. I'll call it a
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: sport because you call a social media call of duty
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: for women and only the truly brutal and completely uh
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: like Conan. You know, the woman who can drive her
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: enemies before her and listen to their whales as she
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: savages everyone. She's the only one who's going to manage that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: And she don't give a fuck. She want blood is
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: She's gonna get it, you know. So it's like expecting
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: men to get into that terrain and actually be able
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: to do anything with it is a tall order. Even
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: women are basically dying now, but they just can't handle it,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: and expected don't. Just just just don't go into calicopter repair,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: stay out of the relational web, get as far away
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: as you can. I would recommend women do that too,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: because this is the most psychotic relational web probably in
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: human history. This is the relational web that kills empires. Guys.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: There's no good, no good participating it no good to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: be had in participating with it. But anyway, let's continue
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: because we're almost We're almost done.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, all right. Of course, then people would
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: say they wished I had spoken up and told them
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: about what was going on, that people did want to
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: see me and hear me and have me around, because
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: that's what I read. After a man kills himself, that
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: he'll be missed, that he was loved, he's given flowers.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: There might be a video compilation of his life's greatest moments,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: viewed in a makeshift theater by everyone but him. Finally
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: people wanted to watch a movie, and all it took
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: was him dying. There may even be a meal served
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: where nobody calls him a creep, just how great a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: guy he was, that he was dependable, that he was
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: In ways, I'm envious because all of that sounds nice.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, I'm a living, breathing man and
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm the problem. So what are you gonna do about it?
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're in your forties, what are you gonna
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: do about it?
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: We can give them, we can give them our prescription.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he'll see this, but go ahead, Yeah.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Kick out the feminism. Don't expect anything from the relational web.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say with a little lesscreen about
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: the relational web is even women can't get anything out
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: of it at this point. It's just hideous. It's just
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: toxic and murderous, you know, but passive aggressively so so
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think men can get anything out
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: of it at all. So don't bother. Like, it may
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: be very difficult, but you're just not going to get
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: what you want from it, So don't don't bother. And
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: if you want to be like, yeah, you're you're like, honestly,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: this is the funny thing is basically what he's saying
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: is what we do, right He's like, well, does someone
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: tell me give me a break as a man, And
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, well that's what we do, dude, That's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: what people like us do. But you probably think of
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: us as like, oh.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: Women, I wish I wish you guys could help me
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: without hating women so much. Yeah, I mean that's kind
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: of what it is though.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: The problem.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: That's what I would get. But but you guys, like
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: can you just can you also just blame men a
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: lot and then sprinkle in a little bit of yeah,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: can you like you can some nice words for me?
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Can you continue to uh give me my sense of specialness? No,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: we can't. No, you gotta let that go. You got
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: to accept that men are not the way feminists say
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: they are. And that's the problem. Like if we say that,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: like Brian, if we say that feminism is wrong, what
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: does that translate to this man? You blame women? So
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: how can you actually how can you actually say to
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: a man like this everything you've been told about men
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: is wrong, because that means you're blaming women, right, You're
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: you're saying that feminism is wrong. That is blaming women
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: because feminism is women somehow. And also, of course you'll
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: probably get bothered by me because I blame women and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: nobody can stop me. Try it well, But beyond that,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: if he wants somebody to say, hey, you're fine, like
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: you're you're honestly, dude, your masculinity is probably the best
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: part about you. So maybe you should work on it
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: a bit more, like or at least accepting it. I
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: don't want to say work on it, but like I
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: don't mean work on it as in, I'm judging it,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: but work on not seeing it as bad. Does that
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: make sense?
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: So it's but if you want that, you're gonna have
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: to step out of the paradigm. You're gonna have to
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: step out of it. But that's what's really funny is
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: this guy is literally saying, where's Honey Badger Radio in
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: my life? Well, we're right here. Come listen to us. Yep,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: you'll actually get the opinion of a woman who thinks
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: men are are sort of good, cool, awesome, you know,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: and the masculinity is a good force in the world.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: And that I And when I say that, I'm not
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: even saying that because I'm like, oh, I just want
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: a flatterman or I'm gonna pick me. It's like, I
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: say that, from first principles, how could something have evolved
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: and stabilizes half the human race if it didn't confer
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: confer an evolutionary benefit to the survival of the species,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: Like that doesn't even make sense that that would happen.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: So therefore, from first principles, there must be some substantial
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: good to masculinity in men. There you go. I don't
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: even have to be like I don't know what feminists think,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: you know, motivates women like me being a pick me.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: I guess I've never really understood what pick me means,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: but anyway, I just do it from first principles. It
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't make sense for men to have evolved and maintained
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: themselves as half the human race if there wasn't a
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: substantial benefit to their existence. There you go, first principles. Hmm, okay,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: shall we read.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: So that's the end of the article. Yeah, what do
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: you want to I got like a half hour. What
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: do you want to do? Now?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Read her response?
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Which one? Is it a very unexpected lesson from a
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: very hot man? No, so you think you're one of
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: the good men?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Yes? Probably.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Let me read this superch how first, because big and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: it is blocking the screen so great Indoors gave us
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: five dollars and said. There has been a mathematical puzzle
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: proposed as sixteen thirty seven by French mathematician Pierre de Fermat,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: known as Fermat's Last Theorem, that famously lasted as an
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: unsolved puzzle for over three hundred and fifty years. It
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: was finally solved backed in nineteen ninety three by Andrew Wiles,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: who dedicated seven years of his professional life to this theorem.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: I linked Alison to a short video of him being
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: interviewed and indicated that stuff like this never is recognized
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: as peak masculinity, but it is. This kind of singular,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: dedicated focus on a problem or project is very much
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: a quality almost uniquely found in and cultivated by men.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: These kind of qualities are being swept under the rug
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: and being replaced by a two dimensional, playboy esque masculinity
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: because this is the only thing women select for and
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: then complain about it in endless articles in blog posts. Hopefully,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: by ignoring most of today's women, men can rekindle that
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: third dimension sort of speak. Okay, that's absolutely masculine to
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Indeed, like obsessive focus on drilling down in one spot
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: is definitely a masculine thing. Thus, all those tiktoks of
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: men and boys digging holes in the beach and women
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: being confused by it, we're finding the perfect stick.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, okay, right? Can I actually wait? Noba
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and says, and
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: on top of the entire situation, take a glance at
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: it and imagine the next feminist response is see how
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: the patriarchy radicalizes men instead of listening to the feminist message.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Well maybe that's what this response article is going to be. Okay,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: go ahead, Alison, all right, Well.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to do a summary of my analysiss
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: modalities here. So what is his cognition for? Not for
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: survival operation, not for solving a material problem, not for
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: defeating an antagonist. It's for figuring out where he stands
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: in the social lattice. Ooh, we got another term, social lattice,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: basically the social web. Am I a creep? Am I
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: the problem? Who do they think I am? What do
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: I represent in the room? The Hemingway shotgun passage closes
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: with a fantasy of his own funeral flowers, video compilation,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: the kind of guy you'd want your daughter to marry.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: That's the post death recognition fantasy is pure relational topology.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: He's envying his own corrected position in the web after
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: he's gone geometry. He sits within the lattice, not outside,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: building a causal model. Who in the room is questioning
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: my intentions in solo existence? Lumped in with the worst
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: of the worst. It's in a writing and outline, so
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: it must be true, I am the problem. Every formulation
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: is positional. He's locating himself relative to others readings. The
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: gym could be replaced with a library, The bar could
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: be replaced. Being ghosted at a restaurant could be replaced
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: by ghosted at a bar. Malta could be replaced by
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: any xpact location. The gap between his performed warmth is
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: his actual depression. The Turkish friend's accent is local color,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: not load bearing. The gap between his performed warmth and
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: his actual depression is the low bearing element, and that's
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: a surface depth relational structure. So in other words, he's
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: decoding that his Turkish friend is not happy, he's actually depressed.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: The bedroom passage isn't load bearing on the physical sequence.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: It's load bearing on what he represented to her. That
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: person versus what the articles say. He represents self is node.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: He's judging himself as a node within the relational web,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: and that's the cognitive operation the whole piece runs on.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: He cannot exit the position the lattice has assigned him.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Every behavior ifloor at the gym, avoiding looking at the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: floor at the gym, avoiding solo restaurants, looking away from
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: women is calibration of his position within others readings of him.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: This is reading modality, not operative default. The center of
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: gravity is positional throughout cognitive overlord. So the structural insight
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: the surface cultural cognitive overlord. Yes, bow to your cognitive overlords,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: cultural overload custodial monitoring. So that was what I was
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: talking about, how he's getting in a loop of trying
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: to figure out if he's a threat. But he is
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: not the terminal determinant of whether or not he's a threat.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: It's the relational web, and the relational web always comes
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: back with yes, you're a threat. Cultural overload custodial monitoring
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: doesn't just produce avoidance, It forces an operative default mind
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: into pure positional reading. The operative channel is sealed. Every
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: operative mood approach, eye contact, taking up space alone in public,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: or just simply not listening to the relational web is
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: pre categorized as predatory. With operative output blocked, what's left
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: is reading lattice and his position within it, so he
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: can never actually move towards the operation of finding a friend.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: The Hemingway reference is the diagnostic tell he's invoking the
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: operative modality archetype decisive operative action as the exit from
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: a reading modality trap. But what he is envious of
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: is the post death relational recognition, So his update in
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: the relational web post death, not the operative act itself.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: This is closer to James than Hemingway. Okay, that's actually
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: importing some literature analysis that we don't need. It's what
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: happens to a male mind when the operative channel is
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: closed and only positional reading remains available. The cognitive consequence
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: is being trapped in a lattice position, monitoring with no
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: operative discharge. God, this guy, this guy's like endocrine just
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: might must be Swiss cheese. At this point, the behavioral
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: output is real sister protection across decades, holding the assaulted
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: woman without exploiting her, registering the Turkish friend's disappearance. But
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: what he's evaluating throughout is his position. Am I a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: good man? Am I the problem? Where do I stand?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: If he will he is able to look at his
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: life operatively, he would say, you know my concern over
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: or trying to figure out where the Turkish man disappeared,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: to the fact that he extended himself to comfort this
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: woman who I don't know why she would just bring
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: someone else, some random stranger into her own sexual therapy session,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: like talk about emotional labor, my god, his protection of
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: his sisters. All of these things would suggest that he
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: is a decent person or a decent man, but he
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: can never come to that conclusion because his own opinion
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: of himself is suspect. He's evaluating it through his position
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: in the relational web. Am I a good man? Am
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: I the problem? Where do I stand? The moral content
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: is genuine and the deliverable acts are present, but the
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: processing channel is positional. Okay. The piece is a man
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: performing relational positional self reading because no operative move is available,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: and the suicide reference indicates where where that trap eventually leads.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Good lord, that's actually really shricking sinister. Okay, let's read
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: her article.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: All right, here we go. So you think you're the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: one of the good men? A quiz for men who
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: are sure they're not part of the problem, like Harloke.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Her text is so big, it's like siege you know,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: sea boat boy, Run, Run boy run. Most men who
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: cause harm to women don't think of themselves as harmful.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: They think of themselves as decent, reasonable, maybe even progressive.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: They're not Andrew Tate. They've never hit a woman. They
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: respect their mothers. That's exactly the problem. I read a
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: story this week written by Grayson Ferguson because I found
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: the title intriguing. I'm a man and I'm the problem.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: The world says I'm the problem. Maybe they're right. I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: know it was meant to be provocative, but when I
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: added it to my read list, I thought, wow, fine,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: a man writing about his personal accountability and creating a
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: world hostile to women. Okay, did you see.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: How did you see? Yeah?
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, go ahead?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: No, no, you go ahead, and then I will No.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, she doesn't. She doesn't realize
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: that her reaction is literally what he was writing about. Like,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: it's literally why he feels that way is her and
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: and her reaction demonstrates why he shouldn't give them that.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: But go ahead, don't don't give.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: Him what you What you need, my dear sir, is
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: some honey, badger, radio, some badger in your life. That's
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: what you need, not this woman. But this is probably
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: this woman is probably what you continue to seek out
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: because you are basically in an abusive loop, and she
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: is the abuser. You're constantly seeking her approval she's never
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: gonna give it. She's just she's just enjoying your supplication
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: to seeking her approval. But the right off the bat,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: do you see what she did, She pretty excluded any
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: operative test of whether or not you're a decent man,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: and she said that's the problem. So in her mind,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: the problem is men who don't beat their lives, men
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: who don't rape women, men who don't kid, you know,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: don't sex traffic children. You know, these are the problems.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. And the problem is that these men
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: look at the things that they don't do, or even
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: the things that they do do, like saving people from
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: burning buildings, prosecuting the the the men who take advantage
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: of a woman who's been drugged, right, Okay, making sure
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: that lesbians don't kill each other. Right, These men exist
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: and they do this work, and they are the problem.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Do you see how they do because they are deciding,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: based on their own acts whether or not they're bad
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: or good. Right, she's saying men shouldn't have that right
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: to look at their actions to contend against the world
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: and contend against genuine bad men and can conclude that,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe if they're not doing the things that
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: bad men do to women, they are not bad men.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: And furthermore, if they are preventing or punishing men for
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: doing the bad things that men do to women, they
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: are good, in fact, good men. So they're basing their
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: judgment of themselves on their actions in the world, and
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: she is having none of that. And what is astounding
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: to me is nobody actually stops. They just listen to
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: what this woman says and think, oh, that must you
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: know that that must make sense on some level. But
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: just think about what she's just said. Guys, if you
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: don't rape women, you're the problem. If you don't beat women,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: you're the problem. If you don't sexually traffic girls, you're
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: the problem. If you don't actually defe girls and women
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: against men who do this stuff, you're the problem. If
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: you don't admit that, you're the problem. Right, if you
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: don't recognize that you are identical to the men who
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: do these things, So it doesn't matter if you stop.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: What matters where we're situating goodness is if you admit
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: that you are identical to the men who do this stuff. Right,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: who what group of men? What group of men would
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: this kind of framework with goodness appeal to? I can
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: tell you sociopaths, because it doesn't matter if they are
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: actually beating, raping, kidnapping, sexually murdering or sorry, serially murdering.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. What matters is that they admit to it,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: that they say that, no, I'm just I'm basically like
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: any other man. In fact, that's the best man guys.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: And she is advancing this notion. And she's advancing it
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: because the reality is that rape, beating, murder are so
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: far review moved from her reality that she's after. She's not.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: She doesn't care because it's irrelevant to her to make
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: sure that men not do this or prevent other men
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: from doing this. What matters to her is control over men. Now,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: tell me, tell me how somebody like that, okay, who
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: is so divorced from any negative that preventing those negatives
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: is so irrelevant to her life. She's like, yeah, continued
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: to do that stuff. It's irrelevant to me. But keep
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: keep me in the position of control over your identity.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I want, right. Tell me how a person
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: like that starts to advocate for the for the victims
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: of bad people. I'm gonna use people men and women
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: who engage in these activities. How did anybody how did
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: she manage to see that she advocates for these people
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: simultaneously with throwing them under the bus in favor of
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: maintaining her own power over men. Because I don't want this, like.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: I don't want men to start thinking that it's all
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: they have to do is say that they're just as bad.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: You know, they can do these things, and then they
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: just say, oh yeah, yeah, I RP, I beat, I kidnap,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: but I admit it, which makes me better than other men.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: I don't want men like that. I don't want men
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: like that thinking they're good men. I don't want women
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: telling those men that they're good men. I think I
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: don't want any of this in here. Please get rid
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: of it. It's not counterproductive, you know, it's It's exactly
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: how women end up getting shot in a parking lot,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: and feminists keep encouraging this shit.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, back to the article. All right, This kind
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: of self reflection is exactly what we need from these
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: men these days who claim to have the intentions of
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: being a good man, which he puts in quotes because
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't exist to notice how your actions
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: or inactions can be part of the problem, even without
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: you consciously meaning to to sit with it and think
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: about how you can do better.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, men as a whole, men spend more time protecting women,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: adjudicating men who do bad things to women, punishing them,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: jailing them, etc. Spend an order of like twenty times
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: more throughout And actually, if you include protecting women from
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: things that are like disasters, fires, predators, that kind of thing,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: you're looking at like an order of magnitude of a
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: hundred times more time that men spend protecting women than
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: any criminal man spends in doing crime. And then she
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: has the audacity to say this, right, Okay, yeah.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: I wrote exactly about men's responsibility in my recent article.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: So how do we raise fewer entitled men? Peer groups
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: need to make.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: A cruse entitled because they recognize that their actions are good. Yeah,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: this is fucking sick.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Peer groups need to make cruelty embarrassing. Men need to
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: challenge each other before women are forced to absorb the
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: consequences what you know when you, when you uh, when
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: you Because they're always doing this, right, They're always telling
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: men that they have to like hold each other accountable.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: You know that ultimately the only thing that accomplishes is
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: it makes men not want to be around each other
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: because they don't want to deal with people policing them
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: at every turn. And that actually keeps men from becoming
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: friends with other men. And that actually, like is part
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: of all of this zero trust society that we're basically
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: living under, is because women have basically turned men against
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: each other with this rhetoric, or they're trying to that.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: The purpose of it is to do that. I think
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: it seems to be the outcome, so I'm gonna assume
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: it's the goal.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, God damn. Just this is so essentially she's saying
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: that men shouldn't take, shouldn't know that they're good for
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: not engaging in these negat of actions and also preventing them.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, and what I wanted to
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: point out was when Brian says that this destroys men's
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: relationships with each other, We're not talking about men preventing
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: other men from beating or raping or kidnapping. That's going
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: to happen regardless. We're talking about men policing women's expectations
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: of offense on other men. Right. And here's the thing.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: Women exist in a world of significantly greater comfort and
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: less risk and danger than men. That is borne out
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: by every single statistic. That group of people that lives
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: closer to risk and discomfort and death tends to require
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: black humor to cope with it. Black or absurdist humor, right,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: and that I actually have a study was put through
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: by Hannah that shows that people who engage in black
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: humor actually are more emotionally stable because it helps them
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: manage extreme stressors. Okay, so men have a type of
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: humor that helps them cope with their reality, and women
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: find that sense of humor offensive because they don't need
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: to cope with the same things, and they don't understand
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: the relational signaling of obserdist black humor. They're very shallow thinkers,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: so they think that they're basically signaling that you want
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: to do these things, or that you're callous towards.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: These tatterarly but not serious.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: So it's like that's the kind of thing. That's one
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: example of an intervention where women have constructed this connection
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: between black humor that allows paramedics to continue to save women,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: allows policemen to continue to jail rapists, allows firemen to
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: continue to haul women out of freaking buildings, allows the
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: entire infrastructure of men to do their work and protect
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: and provide for women. And they look at the coping
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: skills of these men and they call them offensive, and
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: then they encourage men to police them, which destroys the
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: relationship between men. Like Brian is saying, so we're not
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: talking about men policing genuinely criminal or evil men, because
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: that's gonna happen regardless. Every single society does that.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we already have them. They're called police, yes. But
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: the thing is men who are prone or men who
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: are or who want to assault, kidnap or rape, they
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: their friends probably want that too, so they're not going
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: to call them out on it. I'm not friends with
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: guys like that. I don't know if you guys are.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so what does it. It doesn't actually accomplish
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: what these women claim it will accomplish because men who
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: are criminal do not have do not generally associate with
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: men who are not, and men who are not criminal
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: don't associate with men who are or at least criminal
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: enough that they're gonna, like, you know, go out and
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: just be like just doing crazy shit out in the streets.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Usually the men that do that, They they have every
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: intention of doing that, and they're not gonna police each
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: other on it. So that this is kind of the
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: only thing that this actually does in real wor in
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: the real world is like you, like I was saying,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: it creates unnecessary antagonism between men, like normal men, because
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: if a guy is you know, like if a guy
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: hits on somebody, let's say, hits on a girl in
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: a context that makes sense, like a bar, and the
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: other guy polices him according to these you know, according
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: to what this woman wants, that's going to harm their
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: relationship because what it assumes a lot of really like
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: nefarious intentions on the guy that's that did the flirting.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: So the other guys that you can't be man that
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: what are you some kind of sexist like that, whatever
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: it is, it doesn't matter, Like you are damaging the
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: friendship because you're telling that guy you don't trust him,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: but your friends. So like, what's the point of that
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: if it isn't to just tear men apart from each other,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: And what does that do? Well? It weakens society. It
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: weakens the fabric of our society. If you tear men
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: apart from each other.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to point out that she was
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: very clear at the beginning that it's not about men
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: doing or not doing these things. It's not about men,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: well it is. It's about men taking an identity from
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: the operative reality of their own actions. Do I do
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: these things?
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: Do I prevent these things?
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: That makes me a good man, right, based on actions
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: taken in reality, whether or not this guy is good.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: That's that's where it sits. That's where the exercise, and
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: what she's saying is that doesn't matter. So right off
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: the bat, she's saying that she doesn't care about whether
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: or not men rape, or beate or kidnap. What she
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: cares about is whether or not men take a sense
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: of their goodness or badness from their position in the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: relational web. She cares about men doing as women do.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: So she wants men to police other men, to also
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: regard themselves as a position in the relational web, and
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: to regard their goodness and badness in terms of that
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: position in the thing that women control. So women will
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: ultimately have control over whether or not men regard themselves
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: as good and bad. So you can't, as a man,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: you can't look at your actions and say Hey, I'm
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: doing good or that guy's being bad. You know you
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: can't do that. You can only be anointed good or
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: bad by the relational web. That's what she's saying. And
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: men need to lease this behavior in other men. So
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: they need to police the idea that men take an
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: identity from their actions in the greater world and switch
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: that to taking identity from their position in the relational web, which,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: by the way, women always control and women are always
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: subordinate in. That's what she's doing. She doesn't care. None
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: of this has anything to do with stopping rape, stopping murder,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: stopping kidnapping, stopping whatever. None of it. It's irrelevant. Everything
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: has to do with men being subordinate in the relational
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: web to her opinion of them.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, men need to challenge each other before
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: women are forced to absorb the consequences. The goal is
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: to produce men who can notice their impact, men who
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: can hear know without collapsing in a rage. Men who
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: can experience loneliness without turning women into a public utility
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: so just be lonely, Hugh asshole. Men who can feel
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: shame without exsourcing it. Men who can participate in love
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: without expecting service. I'm not the worst is not the
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: same as being good. It's a minimum and a lot
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: of behavior this is her, this is her, quiz I guess,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: and a lot of behavior that makes women's lives smaller,
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: more exhausting, and less safe. Sits well above that bar
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: performed daily by men who would genuinely be offended to
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: be called part of the problem. Back to Grayson's peace,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: I was excited to read it and post a positive,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: supportive reply encouraging this kind of taking accountability as men.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: You can imagine how disappointed, but rather not surprised, I
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: was to find out what this piece actually was. You know,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: it was a bait and switch.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me be honest to this woman. Rape and
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: murder is extremely rare behavior, So most men can't really
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: triangulate themselves based on what they're doing in terms of
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: rape and murder. What I mean by that is most
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: men are not gonna be in a position to stop one,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: or punish one, or prevent one or do anything about it.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Because you know, most men, you know what they do
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: to to help, you know, be good. They provide for
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: their family. Huh, Okay, that's what they do to be good.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: They build they maintain. That's the things that they do,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: so demanding that men relate themselves in terms of a
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: very rare behavior that incidentally, women most likely engage in
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: just as much. Not murder, but rape. That's uh, it's
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: a bit of a tall order. It's like, you know,
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: you're not a good I don't know, Pokemon trainer unless
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: you get the rarest Pokemon there is. Okay, sir, is
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: this the kind of beha? No? Okay, buds? Yeah, hey
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: what okay? Sorry, my dog chased my cat. Okay, so
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: he's I don't know, he's just in the mood. It's
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: because it's rainy. Okay, so he hasn't been able to
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: get out as much. The cat is fine, he just
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: jumped up in a window. I can't actually tell if
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: this is them playing or I assume that the cat
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: is not too upset because there was no screeching. But anyway,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure that nothing untoward was happening. Okay,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: So all right, so where were we? I'm now completely distracted.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Let's just keep reading.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: All right. It was a bait and switch. This is
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: what the emotional arc of the story has been the
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: whole time. Why am I being made to feel bad
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: when I'm one of the good ones. The focus never
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: truly shifts towards understanding women's lived experience. It returns repeatedly
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: to his loneliness, his discomfort, his fear of being perceived badly,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: his wounded identity. That's not accountability, that's a shattered ego.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: And importantly, he keeps treating women discussing social patterns as
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: if they are accusing him personally in a courtroom. A
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: lot of the replies are trying to soothe male shame
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: rather than examine male's socialization. Don't consume this content, you
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: are not the problem. Ignore women who say these things,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: feminists hate men, etc. The conversation immediately shifts into emotional
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: reassurance for men, which is which is itself part of
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: the pattern feminism critiques. Women's fear becomes secondary to men's
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: discomfort about being associated with that fear.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Good. But also, she doesn't care about She doesn't care
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: about these crimes. She doesn't care about stopping these crimes.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: What she cares about is that men take an identity
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: from not engaging in these actions and preventing these actions,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: or just doing the regular day to day work. Of
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: providing and protecting for other people, because, like I said,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: like rape and murders pretty rare. It's pretty difficult to
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: expect men to spend their life preventing it unless they're
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: a cop. Right. Usually men will assign to choose to
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: have that role. So outside of that, they're just going
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: to be doing the regular day to day work of
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: protecting and providing for their families. And that's not what
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: this is about, but she appropriates it as if it
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: is while saying in her first lines that this is
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: not what it's about. It's not about actually preventing rape,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: it's not about actually preventing beatings or kidnapping. That's not
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: what it's about. It's about men taking an identity from
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: not doing those actions or preventing those actions, or doing
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: other actions that are protecting and providing. That's what she's after, Yeah,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: and has like and the outrageous thing is that she's
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: saying that they need to pay attention to the fact
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: that women are in pain because of rape and murder
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: and kidnapping. Right, you know, why do you think men
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: prevent these things or don't do those things because they're
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: paying attention to the pain they cause women? Right, That's
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: that's where that comes from. So when a man takes
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: an action not to do these things, it's because he's
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: paying attention to the pain it will cause. And now
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: she's saying that somehow, you know, men making these decisions
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: not to do these things because of them they not
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: aware of the pain that they will cause. Is not
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: the thing that it is the thing. No, men need
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: to pay attention to the lived experience of women in
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: some other context that doesn't relate to not doing these
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: things or protecting women from these things, or they're not
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: paying attention. Do you see what I'm saying. They're not
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: paying attention to women's pain, even though, yeah, their operative
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: choices indicate that they are.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're well, their concern is based on the
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: fact that they are aware that they might be making
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: women upset and and it upsets them.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, but in a way that's verifiable. Like you you
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: don't engage in these actions because you might hurt someone.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: That means you are aware of their fear and pain.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: That's what's stopping you. Right, So these men are saying,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: I don't engage in these actions. I'm aware of women's
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: pain and fear. I prevent these actions, right, but that's
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: not good enough. So when she says women's fear becomes
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: secondary to men's discomfort, it's not. These men are saying,
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: my actions reflect concern about women's fear and pain. I
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: don't want to be characterized as the same as men
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: who don't have any concern for women's fear and pain,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: and then men who do that. Our cast is not
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: caring about women's fear and pain. That's not has nothing
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: to do with the actual actions. It has everything to
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: do with forcing compliance. It's a power move. She's flexing.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: She's saying, oh, that hoop isn't good enough. Guys, you
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: now have to listen to me and what I think
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 2: about your identity in the relational web. Otherwise I am
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: withholding you actually caring about women's pain and fear. That's
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: what she's doing, basically training and extorting compliance. And it's
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: ridiculous to say that this is a situation where women's
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: fear becomes secondary to men's discomfort, because literally the men
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: are saying, I put women's fear first, I put men's
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: women in sphere and pain first. I am making decisions
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: based on that. I'm putting it first. I would like
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: an acknowledgment I am not the same as men who
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: don't do that. What a bunch of freaking bullshit.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely good, All right, Yeah, I'm kind of running out
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: of time here, so I don't know if we're going
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: to get to the other article, but let's keep going.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: Uh so, which is itself a part of the I
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: already read that part. He is also confusing not being
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: centered with persecution. Historically, men were socially centered by default.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: They still are, but now women publicly discussed topics that
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: were always there but never talked about bad dates, coercion, harassment, vigilance, exhaustion,
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: and emotional labor. Some men experience this shift is hostility
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: because they are no longer automatically granted interpretive innocence. Not
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: being automatically trusted feels to some men like being attacked.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: But loss of automatic comfort is not oppression. Gosh, like
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: that's the competition. I did get some paid things too.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: I should read out really quick. This is just like
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: really upsetting me. Mister Neubed gives us five dollars super
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: chat and says chow for chat for cat chaos. I
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: don't know if that was cat chaos was that cat
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: chaos or dog?
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: Can I think chaos?
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: Okay? Nova Fan twenty one gives us a dollar and said,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: and the most infuriating part of that article is imagine
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: her reacting to a man that does exactly what she
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: wants and demands enough talk now actually do the right
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: thing instead of talking about it. And then official reverse
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: Traditionalism channel on YouTube gives us five dollars and says,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: last one tonight, Alison, do you or John have something
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: that can accept composite video for the NES composite is
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: the yellow cable?
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, she doesn't know, I don't know. Okay,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: can we let's just get back to the article, as
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: goes back, because I think that the hot guy I've
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: looked at it is freaking hilarious in conjunction with these ones.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: If there is any way we can get to it,
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: we should all right.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll I mean, I think I know where this
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: is going, but I'll just read a bit more of this.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: There is a real loneliness. He just frames it in
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: a distorted way. There is something real underneath the article.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: Male isolation, emotional suppression, lack of deep friendship, shame around, vulnerability,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: identity collapse, around dating failure, algorithmic rage, content and confusion
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: about changing gender expectations. I don't discount those things that
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: many men experience these days, But instead of interrogating masculinity itself,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: many men externalize the discomfort into society hates men. Feminism
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: blames all men. Women think I'm a creep for existing
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: that framing protects the ego from a harder question. What
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: forms of masculinity, entitlement, emotional dependency, socialization, or fragility are
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: contributing to this crisis? So basically, stop being a man?
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: Well, well, yeah, just live in a constant state of
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: struggle session with yourself. But also, she just said that
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: you are blaming men all of these You know that
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: they were by talking about these topics publicly, you are
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: blaming men. And then, but what you don't like is
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: recognizing that you're blaming men and saying it's a negative,
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: and yes, you all do you blame all men. Feminism
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: absolutely situates the source of female oppression and heterosexuality, which
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: is precisely the Lilith move right. The relationship between men
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: and women is not a fundamental biological truth or even
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: like if you want to look at it from a
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: religious lens a support a source of basically divinity. It
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: is a status competition between men and women. That's what
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: feminism does. But you what you're doing is when people
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: who say that and point it out and say that's
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: a negative, that's the problem. You're not actually arguing that
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: feminism does this. You're arguing that we can't establish it
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: as negative. We don't have the right to give it
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: a moral valance. That's negative. And essentially all that she
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: is doing here is saying that he cannot look at
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: what he does to determine whether or not he's a
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: good or bad man. He has to look at how
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: women view him from the relational web. Women have to
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: control his identity. That's what all this is about. This
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: is the behavior of an abuser on a bully, And
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that specific mouth noises making. What she's
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: saying is your identity as a man needs to be
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: subordinate to me, and I'm going to keep extracting from it.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: Because the other operation here is that if she doesn't
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: extract from men, she has to take responsibility for her
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: own life. She can stop. She can't keep terminating agency
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: and men. She has to terminate agency in herself, which
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: is pretty tiring. Does you notice how that works is
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: that they always she always terminates the problem outside of herself.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: She never terminates it inside herself. And the moment that
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: men say no, that's not who I am and they
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: stop listening to her and they stop providing her with
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: a whipping boy, she can't do that anymore. She has
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: to start recognizing that maybe she's part of the problem
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: and that you know how, she just reversed everything there.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: It's actually men who are entitled. Okay, I'm gonna tell
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: you something. There has never been a society in which
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: the people doing the oppressing were the ones who are
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: expected to subordinate themselves to the tongue lashing of the
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: oppress ee. Never been. Okay, let's finish this article off
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: because I'm gotta all.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: Right, because once you ask that accountability becomes internal and collective,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: not merely women online are mean and honestly, the strongest
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: clue that the article misses is the point is this.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: He spends thousands of words worrying that women might silently
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: perceive him as threatening, yet barely spends time grappling with
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: what it means that so many women learn to perceive
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: risk that way. In the first place, I wrote about
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: the asymmetry between the red pill and feminism rhetoric. This
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: is exactly the point that Grayson are missing. So women
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: are paranoid and that means that there's something to it.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: That that's what she's saying. Well, if women are paranoid,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: there must be something to it. No, No, it means
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: that they're paranoid, and it's probably because of people like you.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: Do you genuinely believe you're a good man? Many men
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: define good men negatively. I don't assault women. I don't
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: scream at my wife. I don't cheat. I'm not an
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tade follower. But women's experience of safety and respect
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: is shaped far more by everyday social behavior, male group dynamics,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: emotional maturity, and accountability culture than by whether someone is
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: a criminal. I know it can be confusing and hard
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: to tell where you stand.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: We're taking there's a quiz, there is a good man quiz.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we have time, because I think
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: that what is really more important. Oh yeah, we could
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: take the quiz, but I really want to get to
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: the hot man. I mean, how much time do you have?
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: Let's just get I should have been gone five minutes ago.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: But let's just get to the hot man thing. How
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: about that?
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let's do that all right.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: So this is the same author she wrote a very
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 1: unexpected lesson from a very hot man, why dating feels
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: like emotional whiplash. This week was supposed to be simple,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: a fun day, a spark, a few kisses, a reminder
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: that my body still knows how to feel something. And
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: to be fair, all of that happened. Remember this woman
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: on her bio she said she was a queer woman.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just reminding you, guys, there's a queer woman. The
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: first part was magic. He showed up on time. He
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: was hot, like plot twists, hot, like why is the
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: universe giving me a man who looks like this while
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: I'm wearing my pajama pants and got shot on by
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: a literal bat on the park bench. Me wet. We
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: met hot, We talked. We had a lot in common,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: even though we came from totally different back It was
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: unexpectedly great. I asked if he wanted to come up.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: We drank kombucha cocktails because apparently I'm now the kind
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 1: of woman who seduces men with fermentation. He loved it
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: a little too much. Perhaps he gently took my hand,
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: looked me in the eye, and kissed me. It was
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: tend It was dreamy, slow, magnetic. It was honestly intoxicating
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: in the best kind of way. I floated for twenty
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: four hours. Okay, he didn't ask for consent, like what
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: he hot? Oh yeah, there you go.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: You see men the patriarchy isn't men who are hot.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: It's hot. Yeah, okay, keep going all right.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: The next few days we went into a full texting mode.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: We shared food, pictures and voice messages about our day's events,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: kiss emojis, and planned to meet again a few days later.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: We were both still buzzing from the excitement. Cute right.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: Four days later, he came again. No, it wasn't. I
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: was excited, but also nervous. Could barely eat anything. It
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: rarely happens. When I saw him at the door, my
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: heart fluttered. We couldn't keep our hands off each other,
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: but not in a moving too fast kind of way.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 1: I opened up about my preventative masectomy and the scars.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 1: What he handled it calmly, quietly, respectfully. We were intimate,
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: not dreamy like date one, but grounded, connected, and pretty
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: much sober, different energy, still felt meaningful. He left sweetly.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: We kissed a million times. At the door, he asked
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: when we should meet again. We tentatively picked a few
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: options for next week, and then okay, yeah.
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: All right. So basically she got love bond by if
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: she's lucky a guy who isn't a narcissist or a sociopath,
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: but just is sort of prolact and dominant and just
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: is very promiscuous. But she's he's not gonna come back.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: He got it he wanted. And that's the funny thing,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: no red flags, he is.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: She probably planned their whole life on that second.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: Date, no doubt, and she figured the fact that he
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: tapped her was an indication of of further interest. I'm like, nope,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: he got what he wanted extract and eject, and and
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: you know, like, I'm not a person who's gonna say
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: that he manipulated her or he abused her in any way.
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: She just got sex with the guy who's probably significantly
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: more physically attractive than she is. But yeah, that's that
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: whole behavioral sequence. Being extremely uh charming, warm, open taking
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: interest in her interests, all of that stuff. Those are
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: actually red flags. Those are those are well, I mean,
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: I guess you could get a very very extroverted man,
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: but usually not that extroverted, not that precisely calibrated to
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: extract what he wants from you, right, Like, usually first
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: dates are going to be necessarily a little bit awkward
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: because you're just sort of feeling each other out, you know, Yeah,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: you're like two voles in a field and you don't
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: know what you're gonna do. Like, are you safe? There's
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: always a there's always an element to stranger danger with
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: anybody who isn't a predator, Like a predator doesn't consider
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: you dangerous because he's not offering anything. But anyway, she's uh,
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: but I just like, how let's keep going. Let's keep going.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: It's finished up because.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: I know you're After I woke up activated, my sleep
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: was broken, my anxiety was high. I didn't know what
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: to do with myself. I checked my phone too much.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: He texted, but not in the way that I expected.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: He said he'd be too busy this week. There was
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: some roll shifts in his work and he said he
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: had to stay longer hours. Then he didn't respond to
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: my follow up. And it's been a full twenty four hours.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: Nothing terrible happened, nothing dramatic, nothing ghosting level, but my
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: entire brain went, oh cool, we're doing that. The shift
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: was enough to flip a switch inside me, the is
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: he still interested? Switch? The did intimacy change things? Switch?
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: The did I misread this whole thing? Switch? Suddenly the
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: experience transformed from a beautiful night to an emotional whiplash.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: Why I hit me? Oh, I'm sorry?
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: What? Go ahead? Go ahead?
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Why it hit me hard? Dating after divorce, single parenting, surgery, trauma, war, exhaustion,
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: and a life rebuild is not the same as dating
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: at twenty five with infinite bandwidth. When I get close
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: to someone, the stakes feel higher. I don't have the
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: luxury of endless free nights or detached hookups or being
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: ghosted and bouncing back in twenty four hours. When something
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: beautiful happens, I feel it deeply, And when something becomes uncertain,
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: I feel that deeply too. This is not pathology. It
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: is the truth of dating with a full, complicated life.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: I love this like because the thing is that what
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: she's doing to Grayson is what she's experiencing. Now this
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 2: man has control over her relational web and she's fucking
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: with it, and I am here for that. Continue the
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: real lesson.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: It's about the emotional swing from trusting to feeling insecure, sorry,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: from grounded despiral ing, from feeling seen and connected to
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: feeling abandoned. And the swing isn't about the man. It
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: never is, really. It is about my nervous system trying
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: to protect me from disappointment I've lived through before. My
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: mind says stay curious, my body says, brace for impact.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: There is no villain here, just chemistry colliding with fear
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: that hasn't been fully metabolized yet.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: For some reason, the hot man makes her.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: Suddenly really really charitable, really.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: Charitable, but also take agency over her life. And this
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: is something I noticed with other women, like the Hannah Cox.
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: I did a response to Anna Cox once and there
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: was this woman, and I've talked about this before. She
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: her behavior towards the man in her life, who is
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: obviously just treating her like an orbiter, is basically like
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: a Cold War like bracing, like this kind of constant
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: monitoring of don't extend any expectations and that kind of thing.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, look at this, I'm like, that's not
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: a relationship. Why would you even want this man in
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: your life if you have to do this much work.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: And look at the amount of work she's doing, and
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: the fact that right now she's saying, Oh, it's not
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: about the man, really, but everything At every other circumstance
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: it is about the man, except the one who fucked
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: you over. Then it's about you. It's the good Lord. Okay,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, let's finish the Am I mad at him?
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: Yes? No, both, I'm gonna know it. The sloppy communication.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: I'm thrown off by the sudden lack of curiosity. I'm
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: disappointed that he didn't echo back the softness of the
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: night before. But I'm also aware he didn't promise anything.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: He didn't lie, he didn't manipulate, he didn't disappear completely.
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: He didn't treat me badly. He just did what people
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: do when they're not sure or overwhelmed or busy. He
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: drifted slightly, not out of malice, out of humaneness, and
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  Speaker 1: my system reacted like it was a ten out of
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: ten threat because my system is tired.
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  Speaker 2: Did he ever message her back?
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. This just keeps going. Holy shit, So
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: what am I taking from this? Not shame, not regret.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: Not I shouldn't have slept with him. This is what
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: I'm taking. One my body tells me the truth fast
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: in my brain. Emotionally overloaded plus pmsing plus sleep disturbed
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: equals anxiety explosion, not a moral failure, a chemical one.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: Two intimacy with how curiosity feels emotionally lopsided. I noticed
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: this early on, but tried not to read too much
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: into it. Yet it is something to note. He was
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: tender with me, but not so curious about me, and
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: for me, curiosity equals safety. Three. I don't have the
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: emotional resources for men who leave me hanging, not after
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: two intimate nights, not after being open about my scars,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: not after letting them into my home. And I need connection,
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: not ambiguity. And I'm allowed to want that, I'm allowed
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: to expect it. I'm allowed to be disappointed when it's missing.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: So what now? Now I breathe, Now I let my
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: system calm down. Now I remember that this is one experience,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: not a prophecy. Now I stay open, but not unprotected.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: Now I keep dating, but from my center, not from anxiousness.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: And if nothing else, I'm proud of myself for not
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: shutting down. I felt something, I let myself feel something.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: I survived the swing. I'm still here so deep.
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  Speaker 2: What it's stupid, But my point is that the dude
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: that did absolutely nothing to her accept just expressed that
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 2: he has social anxiety and he doesn't like being lumped
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: in with rapists, and that's making a social anxiety worse,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 2: which one hundred percent it would do.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: She goes into a lather to shit all over that
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: man and the dude who basically just hit it and
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: quit it. She's like, Oh, I need to take responsibility.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: I need to own myself. I'm like, wow, But also,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: do you not see that? And again, I don't think
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: he exploited her. I agree, She's right, he didn't. But
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: this is teaching women to tolerate this kind of behavior
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 2: and just be okay with the behavior of men who are.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: No relationship is going to come out of that, right,
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: and to open them up to that and then take
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: responsibility for the consequences at the same time as they
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 2: teach them, teach these women to torture men with any
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: kind of sense of responsibility to other women, to women,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: And you see what I'm saying, Like the guy who's like,
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: I'm being tortured by this, by these expectations and the
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: fact that I can't take an identity or I'm not
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: allowed to, or I'm condemned for not taking identity from
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: being decent, right, you know, like the guy who this
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: woman talked like, she's literally the guy who the woman
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: talked about her sexual trauma and he didn't push it anywhere,
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: and then this woman who talks about her body trauma
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: and he taps it and quits it. No, you know,
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: and honestly, yes, she should have known. I don't think
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: that he is condemnable. And then he got a legal
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: level certainly, but you know, it's I don't know, like
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 2: somebody revealing that much much about you and then you
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: have sex with them and then just like ghost them after,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: or sorry that much about themselves, about their insecurities and
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 2: then you ghost them after. That feels sort of a
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: little sleazy, you know, a little callous. And she's teaching
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 2: herself and other women to tolerate that kind of behavior.
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: And that's really the kind of exploitative behavior. If you
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: see it that way that these women are actually gonna encounter,
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: it's really unlikely they're going to encounter anything criminal, and
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 2: they're teaching each other to tolerate that and to condemn
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: men who behave decently and just want it recognized. Do
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying. The guy she's shitting over
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: behave far more decently. He didn't push sex on the
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: woman who was dealing. He didn't even condemn her. He
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: was just like, yeah, I'm here if you need a
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 2: sounding board, like you do this, like you drag somebody
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: into your sexual nonsense, like okay, no offense. But if
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 2: you have problems because you've been raped, you shouldn't drag
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 2: other people into it, right, those are your problems, you know.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 2: And it could be very traumatic for another person to
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: have to deal with the behavior of someone who's endure
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: or going through hmm, that kind of trauma. And and
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 2: if she was a responsible person, she wouldn't just fling
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: that out to anyone. Well, not only is she inviting
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: potential trauma, traumatizing herself again, she's potentially traumatizing a partner
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: if she engages in any kind of behavior that is
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: like uh, you know, hunted or uh, fearful or or
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: any like that's that's sort of unsettling, you know, behavior
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: for a man to experience. So she's putting him in
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: this situation unknowingly, and he manages it very custodially. He's like, yeah, okay,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: it's all about her. It's all about her dealing with it.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: It's not about his disappointment. It's not And so he's
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: underneath all the feminism. The guy's probably pretty decent and
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: this woman is shitting all over him. Meanwhile, she gets
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: tapped by it, probably a callous as hat, and she's like, oh,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: I need to learn, I need to learn to take responsibility.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: It's good. Look, okay, I just I just want to
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: point that out. But of course the difference is this
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: is a very hot man. You just do like that
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: meme with the hot guy saying hello, you know, high
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: nice ass Susan, and then the other the fat hello
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: human resources. Yeah, yeah, the hello human resources meme, except
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: it's patriarchy. It's like the hot dude is like, Hi,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna hit you and quit you, and she's like, oh,
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: you're sweet, and then the fat, unattractive man is like,
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: I am going to take care of you. You know,
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: we want to go on a date, and she's like, hello,
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: human resources. Patriarchy goddamn women. That's all I have to say. Yeah,
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: all right, anything less that we need to address from
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: the peoples, from.
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  Speaker 1: The little older no super chats or anything like that. No,
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  Speaker 1: we're good on all that.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, I will let let you go. Thank
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: you for belaboring this, very much appreciated for taking the
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: time to completely complete this. The quiz is something else
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