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The Most TERRIFYING Stalker Turned Murder Case · The conspiracy

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Speaker 1: What if the one place you should feel safest became
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Speaker 1: the stage for your worst nightmare. For most of us,
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Speaker 1: that place is our home. Walls and locked doors mean protection.
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Speaker 1: But what happens when those walls start to feel like
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Speaker 1: a trap and the very air in your home turns
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Speaker 1: heavy with fear. This is the story of Cindy James,
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Speaker 1: a woman whose life would challenge everything we think we
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Speaker 1: know about personal safety and security. Today, we step into
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Speaker 1: a story that blurs the line between reality and paranoia,
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Speaker 1: victim and suspect, and protection and danger, And once you
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Speaker 1: hear it, you may never look at your personal security
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Speaker 1: the same way ever again. Crime, conspiracy, gults, serial killers,
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Speaker 1: and murder all things that I love to consume and
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Speaker 1: I know you do to you sick, twisted, beautiful, intellectually
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Speaker 1: minded freak. Yeah that's right. I did a normal freak today.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get freaky with it, all right. And Rupe's
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Speaker 1: here today, and Detective Rupee he's sleeping on the job
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Speaker 1: as per USU and all so I apologize. I am
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Speaker 1: still sick. So if I sound nasally, and that is why,
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Speaker 1: that is why I kind of sound sexy. Note I
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Speaker 1: know a little bit, little bit maybe maybe not, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. But on a much more serious note, today
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Speaker 1: we are talking about an absolutely horrifying story, one filled
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Speaker 1: with paranoia, mystery, confusion and tragedy. So without further ado,
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Speaker 1: let's unbuckle our seatbelts, go mock fived on the highway,
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Speaker 1: slam on the brights, and busts through this windshield into
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Speaker 1: this curious case together. Cindy James was born Cynthia Elizabeth
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Speaker 1: Hack on June twelfth, nineteen forty four, in a small
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Speaker 1: town of Oliver, British Columbia, during the final months of
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Speaker 1: World War Two, and she was one of six children
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Speaker 1: in a family of Russian Canadian heritage and with three
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Speaker 1: older brothers and two younger sisters. And her father, Auto Hack,
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Speaker 1: was a disciplinarian.
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Speaker 2: To say the least. He was an English.
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Speaker 1: Teacher and a former Air Force colonel, and her mother,
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Speaker 1: Matilda or Tilly Hack, was a homemaker. To post war
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Speaker 1: Canada in the late nineteen forties and nineteen fifties was
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Speaker 1: a time of rebuilding and traditional family values, and Cindy's
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Speaker 1: upbringing reflected that era's strictness, and in her private diaries
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Speaker 1: years later, Cindy would recall that her childhood home was
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Speaker 1: governed by firm rules and corporal punishment, leading her to
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Speaker 1: feel an oppressive atmosphere while growing up.
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Speaker 2: But despite the rigidity.
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Speaker 1: At home, those who knew young Cindy remember her as
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Speaker 1: a warm and very sincere girl, and she had a
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Speaker 1: gentle sense of humor and a caring nature that hinted
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Speaker 1: at her future calling to help others. And during her
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Speaker 1: teenage years, the Hack family relocated for a time to
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Speaker 1: Ottawa as Otto's military career took them across the country.
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Speaker 1: British Columbia is better, Am I right? I'm holding my head?
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Speaker 1: End up a high five by the way, Sorry to
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Speaker 1: Ottawa anyway, and Cindy attended high school in Ottawa, adapting
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Speaker 1: to new environments and forming a compassionate outlook, and notable
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Speaker 1: early experiences such as a growing up with five siblings
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Speaker 1: and moving between communities helped her shape a resilience and
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Speaker 1: some empathy.
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Speaker 2: So even as a.
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Speaker 1: Teenager, Cindy showed an interest in helping people, which would
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Speaker 1: soon guide her toward a career in healthcare. So at
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Speaker 1: age eighteen, Cindy moved to the city of Vancouver shout
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Speaker 1: out to b C two pursue her dream of becoming
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Speaker 1: a nurse, and in nineteen sixty two, she enrolled in
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Speaker 1: a nursing school program, embarking on the rigorous training required
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Speaker 1: to join the profession. Shout out to nurses, My sister's
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Speaker 1: one of them. God bless Elia. You guys are doing
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Speaker 1: God's work out there. Anyway, Cindy proved to be a
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Speaker 1: dedicated student. She was diligent in her studies and eager
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Speaker 1: to gain practical experience, and she completed her nursing education
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Speaker 1: in just a few years and earned her Bachelor of
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Speaker 1: Science in nursing by nineteen sixty six, and that summer,
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Speaker 1: at only twenty two years old, Cindy graduated as a
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Speaker 1: registered nurse, ready to devote herself to caring for others,
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Speaker 1: and she immediately started working as a pediatric nurse at
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Speaker 1: the Vancouver General Hospital. So caring for children just came
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Speaker 1: naturally to Cindy, and her colleagues later noted her competence
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Speaker 1: and professionalism, especially when helping youth facing behavioral or emotional challenges,
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Speaker 1: and over the next several years, she gained valuable experience
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Speaker 1: in her field, and Cindy was passionate about her work
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Speaker 1: and thrived in roles where she could protect and nurture
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Speaker 1: vulnerable children, and it was during this period Cindy's personal
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Speaker 1: life also saw major developments, like in the summer of
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, at just twenty one years old, Cindy
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Speaker 1: met doctor Roy Makepeace, who was an older South African
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Speaker 1: born psychiatrist. Now Roy was eighteen years her seni year.
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Speaker 1: He was in his late thirties while Cindy was in
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Speaker 1: her early twenties. Yet the two formed a connection and
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Speaker 1: married on December ninth, nineteen sixty six, and Cindy's family
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Speaker 1: was wary of this relationship from the start, and her
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Speaker 1: parents felt the age gap and Roy's worldliness might spell
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Speaker 1: trouble for naive young Cindy. But Cindy seemed hopeful about
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Speaker 1: her marriage in the beginning, and she continued advancing her
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Speaker 1: nursing career while adjusting to life as missus Cindy make Peace.
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Speaker 1: So by the late nineteen seventies, Cindy had established herself
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Speaker 1: as a well respected professional in Vancouver's healthcare community, and
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Speaker 1: in April of nineteen seventy five, she accepted a position
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Speaker 1: as a team coordinator at the Blenheim House, which was
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Speaker 1: a Vancouver facility for children with behavioral disorders, and she
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Speaker 1: would work there for twelve years, and she would become
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Speaker 1: known for her steady leadership and empathy in dealing with
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Speaker 1: these very difficult cases because she often worked with children
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Speaker 1: who were rewards of the state or had behavioral issues
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Speaker 1: requiring both firmness and kindness, and colleagues later praised her
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Speaker 1: for being calm under pressure and truly committed to her
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Speaker 1: patient's well being. So, by all appearances, since Sindy was
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Speaker 1: building the stable and caring life she had always wanted.
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Speaker 1: A meaningful career, a home in the community, and relationship
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Speaker 1: with friends and family who cared about her a lot,
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Speaker 1: and financially and socially, Cindy was relatively secure. She continued
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Speaker 1: to work full time, balancing her professional responsibilities with her
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Speaker 1: role as a very supportive spouse, and Roy had taken
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Speaker 1: a job as an assistant professor at the University of
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Speaker 1: British Columbia's Faculty of Medicine after failing to get a
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Speaker 1: Canadian medical license. Oh but that's all right, he's making do.
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Speaker 1: And their combined careers provided a comfortable living, and though
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Speaker 1: they had no children of their own, Cindy poured her
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Speaker 1: nurturing energy into the children at her workplace and stayed
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Speaker 1: close with her siblings and parents, and it was during
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Speaker 1: these years she formed lasting friendships, including with colleagues like
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Speaker 1: Agnes Woodcock, who would later become one of her most
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Speaker 1: loyal friends. And from the outside, Cindy's life in the
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies looked successful.
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Speaker 2: Yet you know, rather ordinary.
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Speaker 1: She was a dedicated nurse, a wife, a friend, and
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Speaker 1: a very.
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Speaker 2: Caring soul in her community.
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Speaker 1: But Cindy's personal life, however, was not without its strains.
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Speaker 1: Her marriage to Roy proved far from perfect. In fact,
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Speaker 1: the significant age difference and differences in temperament led to
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Speaker 1: tensions behind closed doors, and according to Cindy's family and
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Speaker 1: later investigations, the marriage was marred by emotional distance and
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Speaker 1: occasional Cindy would later confide that Roy could be controlling
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Speaker 1: and temperamental, and in one incident, she revealed to her family,
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Speaker 1: Roy had thrown a heavy candy dish at her during
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Speaker 1: an argument, what a piece of shit, And she also
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Speaker 1: described disturbing conversations where Roy hypothetically spoke about murdering people
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Speaker 1: with a crossbow. Gino like you do, and Roy for
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Speaker 1: his part denied any extreme violence, though he admitted to
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Speaker 1: slapping Cindy on a couple of occasions in anger. That's
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Speaker 1: really bad, Roy and not cool, but such accounts painted
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Speaker 1: a picture of a household that was increasingly unhappy and
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Speaker 1: unsafe for Cindy as the years went by, and by
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Speaker 1: the early.
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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighties, the cracks in Cindy's.
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Speaker 1: Marriage had widened, and after sixteen years together, Cindy and
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Speaker 1: Roy separated in the summer of nineteen eighty two, and
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Speaker 1: Cindy at this point was thirty eight years old and
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Speaker 1: ready to start a new chapter on her own, and
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Speaker 1: the couple split was not amicable. There were lingering, hard
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Speaker 1: feelings and unresolved issues, but still Cindy tried to maintain
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Speaker 1: a polite relationship with her ex husband, and she even
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Speaker 1: kept in occasional contact with Roy in the months following
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Speaker 1: the separation, perhaps hoping to keep things civil because she
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Speaker 1: was a very just, kind, empathetic person. At the same time,
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Speaker 1: Cindy leaned on her network of friends and family and
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Speaker 1: with her career and support network. Cindy was trying to
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Speaker 1: move forward from her broken marriage, completely unaware that a
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Speaker 1: far worse nightmare was about to begin, so in late
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Speaker 1: September of nineteen eighty two, Cindy told friends and family
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Speaker 1: that she suspected someone was prowling around her house at night,
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Speaker 1: and soon after the truly frightening incidents started to begin,
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Speaker 1: and on October seventh, Cindy received the first of many
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Speaker 1: obscene phone calls. Sometimes the caller whispered.
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Speaker 3: Threats like I'll get you one night, Sidney.
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Speaker 1: Well. Other times the phone would ring and deliver nothing
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Speaker 1: but eerie silence and breathing on the other end. And
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Speaker 1: obviously Cindy was extremely alarmed, but she didn't recognize the voice,
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Speaker 1: which seemed to change or disguise itself, and the content
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Speaker 1: of the phone calls were often very erotic and violent
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Speaker 1: in nature. So, feeling threatened, Cindy reported these calls to
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Speaker 1: the Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the RCMP. The guys
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Speaker 1: with the wicked brim hats that sit on horses for
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Speaker 1: some reason, because it's twenty twenty five, but they like
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Speaker 1: living like it's eighteen eighty three to mayby for some reason.
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Speaker 1: So an officer visited her home in a advised her
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Speaker 1: to keep a log of the calls, and even suggested
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Speaker 1: changing her number and immediately after the officer left, Cindy
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Speaker 1: received another call which allegedly said, so you think calling
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Speaker 1: the police will keep you safe? You wait, I've got
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Speaker 1: my zipper open, I'm talking to my throbbing. You know what.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to continue that on, which is horrifying,
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, like being in a home alone, which
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Speaker 1: being a woman, I can't even imagine the terror she
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Speaker 1: was feeling at this point, and luckily she immediately hung
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Speaker 1: up before the speaker could continue. But the harassment was
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Speaker 1: only just the beginning, and within days the situation escalated,
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Speaker 1: and on October fifteenth, someone threw a rock through Cindy's
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Speaker 1: back window and even entered her home, although nothing was stolen,
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Speaker 1: which is even creepier to me. And a few days
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Speaker 1: later she found a pillow on her bed slashed open,
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Speaker 1: so it seemed an unknown and true was taunting her
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Speaker 1: breaking in without leaving clear evidence, and two tenants that
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Speaker 1: rented Cindy's basement reported hearing odd noises on the main
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Speaker 1: floor after Cindy had left for work on October twentieth,
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Speaker 1: So Cindy at this point was absolutely terrified, and in response,
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Speaker 1: the RCMP assigned a constable pat McBride to investigate the
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Speaker 1: early incidents, and luckily he took Cindy's claims seriously, and
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Speaker 1: his protective instincts towards Cindy soon went beyond his official duty.
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Speaker 1: Oh oh, oh my, and they would develop a romantic relationship,
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Speaker 1: and seeing how shaken she was, he offered to stay
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Speaker 1: at her home temporarily to keep watch. How convenient for Pat,
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Speaker 1: so on October thirty first, nineteen eighty two, Pat moved
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Speaker 1: into Cindy's house allegedly for two weeks of surveillance, and
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Speaker 1: Cindy's a strange husband, Roy quickly came under suspicion. He's
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Speaker 1: most likely right most of the time. You can bet
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Speaker 1: your bottom dollar it's the husband, or it's the wife.
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Speaker 3: It's the spouse.
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Speaker 1: So obviously he was the prime suspect in all of this.
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Speaker 1: So McBride initially believed Roy might be behind the harassment,
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Speaker 1: given the bitter separation member it didn't end amicably, and
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Speaker 1: he had a history of being a jackass, and Cindy
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Speaker 1: herself sent mixed signals about Roy, telling police she didn't
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Speaker 1: think Roy would do such a thing, but confiding to
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Speaker 1: friends that he had been violent before. It's almost like
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Speaker 1: she was trying to protect him or give him the
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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. But one night, not long after
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Speaker 1: McBride had moved in, he caught Roy lurking in his
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Speaker 1: car in the alley behind Cindy's house, and he confronted
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Speaker 1: Roy and claimed he was just trying to catch the
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Speaker 1: intruder in the act, then hurriedly drove off after Pat
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Speaker 1: informed Roy of their relationship, and in a strange twist,
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Speaker 1: Pat later would even discuss the case with Roy when
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Speaker 1: Sin would invite him over in an attempt to keep
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Speaker 1: their relationship in a positive place. So both men warily
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Speaker 1: united by a desire to catch whoever was terrorizing her.
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Speaker 3: So it was like a.
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Speaker 1: Weird you know, enemies to not quite levers, but buddies
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Speaker 1: in trying to catch Cindy's stalker. But despite these efforts,
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Speaker 1: the frightening events would continue, and neighbors would report seeing
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Speaker 1: a strange man outside Cindy's home on multiple occasions, and
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Speaker 1: a man they spore was not Roy makepeace. So at
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Speaker 1: this point, all signs were pointing to an unknown stalker
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Speaker 1: let's get back to it. So through late nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: two and into nineteen eighty three, the harassment against Cindy
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Speaker 1: escalated steadily in both frequency and violence. So before moving
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Speaker 1: out on December first, Pat also experienced a strange phone
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Speaker 1: call at the home while Cindy was there as well,
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Speaker 1: and the caller spoke no words, similar to calls that
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Speaker 1: Cindy had reported earlier. And he also discovered that the
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Speaker 1: phone line outside her house had been cut in five
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Speaker 1: different places in late November, and also disturbing notes began appearing.
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Speaker 1: First there was a note pinned to the windshield of
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Speaker 1: her car with a picture of a dead body placed
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Speaker 1: under a medical sheet at the end of November, and
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Speaker 1: then during Christmas week, Cindy found a chilling message pinned
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Speaker 1: to her car's windshield and it was a picture of
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Speaker 1: a woman with her slashed with the words Merry Christmas.
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Speaker 1: And this was a extremely grim warning just as the
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Speaker 1: holidays approached. It's like an actual horror story in real
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Speaker 1: life unfolding, but the implication was clear. Someone wanted to
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Speaker 1: scare Cindy to death, and on January twenty seventh, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: the situation turned violent and Cindy's friend and co worker
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Speaker 1: Agnes Woodcock, dropped by Cindy's home that night and found
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Speaker 1: a scene out of a nightmare because Cindy was lying
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Speaker 1: unconscious in her backyard with a nylon stalking knotted tightly
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Speaker 1: around her neck, and Agnes revived her friend, who woke
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Speaker 1: up dazed, freezing, and terrified, and Cindy told Agnes that
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Speaker 1: she had gone out to the garage to get a
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Speaker 1: box when a man grabbed her from behind, and she
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Speaker 1: claimed the attacker dragged her into the garage where another
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Speaker 1: man was waiting, and together they struck her until she
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Speaker 1: was passed out and before losing consciousness, Cindy said the
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Speaker 1: men threatened to kill her younger sister if she went
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Speaker 1: to the police, and she also alleged that a knife
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Speaker 1: had been used used to her during this attack. So
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Speaker 1: later she was examined by doctors, but the physical evidence
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Speaker 1: did not match the brutality of her story, and they
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Speaker 1: found no definitive injuries of s A on Cindy's body,
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Speaker 1: and some investigators began to quietly question whether Cindy was
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Speaker 1: telling them the whole truth. The detective, David Boyer Smith
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Speaker 1: remained uncertain that he felt Cindy might be holding back
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Speaker 1: details out of fear, noting she seemed in fear of
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Speaker 1: herself and her family, and perhaps afraid the attackers would
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Speaker 1: retaliate if she spoke freely. Nonetheless, the police continued their
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Speaker 1: efforts to protect Cindy, and they urged her to see
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Speaker 1: a psychiatrist to cope with the trauma, but Cindy refused,
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Speaker 1: worried that being labeled crazy would only undermine her credibility,
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Speaker 1: so instead she agreed to visit a general counselor for support.
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Speaker 1: And as the onslaught of harassment continued, Cindy took drastic steps,
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Speaker 1: and in the early nineteen eighty three, she moved out
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Speaker 1: of her house, book a new address would throw off
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Speaker 1: her stalker, but it didn't, and she moved to a
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Speaker 1: new place in West Vancouver on February first, where she
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Speaker 1: was greeted with a letter. Less than a week later,
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Speaker 1: threatening her saying run.
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Speaker 3: Rabbit run, I'll show you how good I am soon
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Speaker 3: bang bang, You're dead.
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Speaker 1: Quoting but several songs, which is so weird, like run
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Speaker 1: Rabbit Run, Rabbit run run, and then the other one
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Speaker 1: is bang bang, I shot you dead, bang bang, which
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Speaker 1: I believe is from kill Bill. But all all together
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Speaker 1: absolutely horrifying, Like I don't even know what I'd do,
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Speaker 1: and that's I mean, I go to the police, I guess.
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Speaker 2: But I would just be constantly on the run.
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Speaker 1: And I don't even know how someone could live with
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Speaker 1: this going on, like it's horrifying. So even after relocating
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Speaker 1: a second time in quick succession, the second move happening
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Speaker 1: in April, the threatening calls in letters followed her and
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Speaker 1: Roy as part of an attempt to reconcile, along with
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Speaker 1: several gifts, paid Cindy's airfare to visit her brother Roger
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Speaker 1: in Indonesia during the summer, and upon her return home,
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Speaker 1: she received yet another threatening letter on August twenty second,
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Speaker 1: and this time it read.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back, death, blood, hate, etc.
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Speaker 1: What So, whoever was tormenting Cindy always seemed to find
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Speaker 1: out where she lived. So desperate for security, Cindy repainted
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Speaker 1: her car to make it less recognizable, and she also
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Speaker 1: hired a professional private investigator, Ozziekban, to watch her and
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Speaker 1: dig into this mystery. So Kaban equipped Sidney with a
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Speaker 1: two way emergency radio and also noticed that she went
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Speaker 1: above and beyond to protect herself, including such measures as
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Speaker 1: keeping a personal panic button and carrying pepper spray at
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Speaker 1: all times. She was determined to stay alive, but despite
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Speaker 1: her precautions, the stalker was undeterred. In late nineteen eighty three,
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Speaker 1: horrifying new incidents sent waves of panic through Cindy's life.
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Speaker 1: Numerous calls continued to be placed to both her home
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Speaker 1: residence and at work, where even some of her coworkers
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Speaker 1: reported answering the calls only to hear no one at
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Speaker 1: the other end. And she discovered the bodies of three
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Speaker 1: strangled cats in her yard, and each cat had been
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Speaker 1: cruelly tied with a rope echoing the ligatures used on Cindy.
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Speaker 1: The site devastated Cindy. It was a twisted message that
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Speaker 1: even innocent creatures around her weren't safe, and she confided
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Speaker 1: in a private diary that she suspected her ex husband
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Speaker 1: Roy was behind this particular act, and she noted that
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Speaker 1: gardening was one of her beloved hobbies and something that
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Speaker 1: Roy had resented during their marriage, so she wondered if
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Speaker 1: Roy dumped the dead cats to destroy her garden as
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Speaker 1: a form of revenge. So police did question Roy repeatedly
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Speaker 1: in this period, especially after the upcoming incident in early
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, but he staunchly denied any involvement and
20:58
Speaker 1: pointed fingers elsewhere. So as nineteen eighty four began, the
21:02
Speaker 1: violence against Cindy appeared to reach terrifying new levels, and
21:06
Speaker 1: on January thirtieth, private investigator Ozziekbban heard strange sounds crackling
21:11
Speaker 1: over the two way radio he had given Cindy, and
21:14
Speaker 1: unable to reach her, or Kaban raced to Cindy's house
21:17
Speaker 1: and he arrived to find all the doors locked, so
21:20
Speaker 1: he forced his way in, and there on the living
21:23
Speaker 1: room floor was Cindy's unconscious body and a pairing knife
21:28
Speaker 1: had been stabbed through her hand, pinning a note to
21:32
Speaker 1: her skin and the carpet, and the note, made from
21:35
Speaker 1: cutt and paste letters, bore a horrifying message saying, quote
21:40
Speaker 1: now you must die.
21:43
Speaker 2: Unquote just.
21:46
Speaker 1: I can't stop saying horrifying, but it's literally written like
21:50
Speaker 1: a horror author. So obviously, Cindy was rushed to the hospital,
21:54
Speaker 1: and when she awoke, she recounted to Kaban what little
21:57
Speaker 1: she remembered, and she had seen a man coming through
22:00
Speaker 1: her front door gate just before being struck on the
22:03
Speaker 1: head with a blunt object, as she vaguely recalled being
22:06
Speaker 1: held down and a needle pricking her arm before everything
22:09
Speaker 1: went black, And indeed, doctors found a fresh needle mark
22:13
Speaker 1: on Cindy's arm, but to their surprise, there were no
22:16
Speaker 1: drugs detected in her system, and she allegedly took a
22:19
Speaker 1: polygraph after the incident and showed no deception, though the
22:23
Speaker 1: conducting officer later stated that the results were inconclusive. So
22:27
Speaker 1: the constable who reported to Cindy's home that evening also
22:31
Speaker 1: noted that it appeared someone had tried to clean the evidence,
22:34
Speaker 1: as some of the blood of the floor was smeared
22:37
Speaker 1: in a circular motion. So these baffling details just kind
22:40
Speaker 1: of deepened the mystery. But the summer of nineteen eighty
22:43
Speaker 1: four would be seen as the height of intensity for
22:46
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Speaker 1: on June eighteenth, Caban hurried to her place after she
24:43
Speaker 1: called him panicked, only to find her dog Heidi, physically
24:47
Speaker 1: abused and tied up with what appeared to be the
24:50
Speaker 1: same type of rope used on the cats from before,
24:53
Speaker 1: and she was in the basement alongside a note that
24:56
Speaker 1: included the words happy birthday and a explicit photos and
25:02
Speaker 1: Cindy was found shuddering in her garden. Gabon noted that
25:06
Speaker 1: there was a cigarette butt on the window sill of
25:08
Speaker 1: the basement that didn't match the usual brand that Cindy smoked,
25:12
Speaker 1: and more calls would be placed to the house over
25:14
Speaker 1: the next several weeks, one of which Kaban answered and
25:17
Speaker 1: then a dead cat was found in the stairwell, and
25:20
Speaker 1: another in which the caller said, you're.
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Speaker 3: Dead, bitch, it's gonna feel good, and.
25:25
Speaker 1: Yet another place to one of Cindy's coworkers, which said.
25:29
Speaker 3: Get rid of the big pig.
25:31
Speaker 1: And Cindy told Kaban that there were two men impersonating
25:34
Speaker 1: officers that showed up to her doorstep on July first,
25:37
Speaker 1: but they left when.
25:38
Speaker 2: She radioed him.
25:40
Speaker 1: And Tilly, Cindy's mother, spent the night with her on
25:43
Speaker 1: July night, and at some point late during the night,
25:46
Speaker 1: Heidi began barking, awaking Tilly, who found Cindy examining the
25:50
Speaker 1: windows and doors on the main floor, and shortly afterwards
25:54
Speaker 1: they heard the doorbell ring and a window was cracked
25:57
Speaker 1: in multiple places. So again, just all these terrifying things
26:01
Speaker 1: happening constantly, Cindy could not get a moment of peace
26:05
Speaker 1: or any sort of peace of mind. There was always
26:08
Speaker 1: somebody that seemed to be watching and terrorizing her, and
26:12
Speaker 1: just two weeks later, Cindy was attacked again in a
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Speaker 1: nearby park while walking her dog on July twenty third,
26:19
Speaker 1: and she described the attackers as a bearded man driving
26:22
Speaker 1: a green van that had a female passenger, and Cindy
26:26
Speaker 1: was found several hours later with a nylon stalking around
26:29
Speaker 1: her neck as she attempted to enter the home of
26:31
Speaker 1: a neighbor in an altered state. A gaban found her
26:35
Speaker 1: dog wandering in the park and she would be taken
26:38
Speaker 1: to the hospital again to be treated, and doctors found
26:41
Speaker 1: two puncture wounds in her right arm this time, and
26:44
Speaker 1: there was also a receptionist at the hospital that reported
26:47
Speaker 1: an odd call while Cindy was there, as the front
26:50
Speaker 1: desk received a call from a man with an accent
26:53
Speaker 1: asking about security. The police later played audio of Roy's
26:57
Speaker 1: voice for the receptionist, who claimed there was a strong
27:01
Speaker 1: possibility they could have been the same person. In Following
27:05
Speaker 1: this attack, there continued to be calls placed to Cindy's
27:08
Speaker 1: residence and similar oddities, but no notable incidents outside of
27:13
Speaker 1: the hypnotherapy breakthrough and psych board commitments, but no notable
27:17
Speaker 1: incidents until early July of nineteen eighty five, when a
27:21
Speaker 1: package arrived at her place with more nylon stockings and
27:25
Speaker 1: another note saying blood flowing freely. And on July twenty seventh,
27:31
Speaker 1: she discovered rotting raw meat in a container near her
27:34
Speaker 1: front door, and that's when the alleged stocker would attempt
27:38
Speaker 1: a new strategy, and that was arson. The Cindy reported
27:42
Speaker 1: a fire in her home on August fifth to the police,
27:45
Speaker 1: and when they examined the area, they discovered what looked
27:48
Speaker 1: like burnt newspaper thrown about the room, and another fire
27:52
Speaker 1: was reported the day after, and yet another on August
27:55
Speaker 1: twenty first, so when authorities arrived at the scene, a
27:58
Speaker 1: heated discussion was occurring between Cindy and Kaban as She
28:02
Speaker 1: explained that she discovered the house on fire when she
28:04
Speaker 1: returned from walking her dog, and the bathroom window was
28:07
Speaker 1: found partially opened, but no evidence that anyone had been
28:11
Speaker 1: through it, and more burn newspaper remains were found as well,
28:15
Speaker 1: and it was later said by one of the detectives
28:17
Speaker 1: that they believe Cindy started the fire herself. And Cindy
28:21
Speaker 1: once again moved to a new residence in Richmond on
28:25
Speaker 1: December first, but there seemed to be no end to
28:28
Speaker 1: where she would be followed because just ten days later,
28:32
Speaker 1: she was found dazed in a ditch a little over
28:35
Speaker 1: three and a half miles from her home on December eleventh,
28:39
Speaker 1: and she had men's work boots and a single glove
28:42
Speaker 1: on and you guessed it, she had a nylon stalking
28:46
Speaker 1: tied around her neck, just like before, and she had
28:50
Speaker 1: hypothermia and was taken to the hospital where they believed
28:53
Speaker 1: she had been injected with a tranquilizer this time, and
28:56
Speaker 1: she also had various cuts and bruises found on her body,
28:59
Speaker 1: and said appeared to possess no memory of what had occurred.
29:03
Speaker 1: So as the wave of incidences appeared never ending, Cindy
29:07
Speaker 1: attempted anonymity in the beginning of nineteen eighty six, and
29:10
Speaker 1: she would actually changed her last name from make Peace
29:13
Speaker 1: to James in hopes that that would help hide her identity.
29:17
Speaker 1: And on April sixteenth, Agnes and Tom Woodcock stayed over
29:21
Speaker 1: only to be awoken in the middle of the night
29:23
Speaker 1: by Cindy, who allegedly heard something going on downstairs, and
29:27
Speaker 1: when they went to check, a fourth fire was burning
29:30
Speaker 1: in the basement and the house phone was also dead,
29:34
Speaker 1: which they discovered as they attempted to call the fire department.
29:36
Speaker 1: So Tom ran to the neighbor's house to make the call,
29:39
Speaker 1: and as he returned to Cindy's he claimed to see
29:42
Speaker 1: a man standing on the street near by, but the
29:45
Speaker 1: man took off as Tom approached him, so Cindy, being terrified,
29:49
Speaker 1: went to stay with the Woodcocks for a little while afterwards,
29:52
Speaker 1: so it was clear that her mental health was deteriorating greatly.
29:57
Speaker 1: So naturally, Cindy's case had become one of the most
30:00
Speaker 1: puzzling investigations the RCMP had ever encountered, because the sheer
30:05
Speaker 1: number of incidents, dozens upon dozens of calls, letters, break ins,
30:10
Speaker 1: and sauts had everyone grasping for a clear pattern or
30:14
Speaker 1: any suspect, so investigators redoubled their efforts and police surveillance
30:19
Speaker 1: was stepped up. At times, up to fourteen officers watched
30:23
Speaker 1: Cindy's house around the clock in hopes of catching the
30:26
Speaker 1: perpetrator in the act. But oddly, these stakeouts yielded nothing.
30:31
Speaker 1: No attacks or strange occurrences ever happened while police were
30:35
Speaker 1: actively watching Cindy's home, Yet almost as soon as surveillance stopped,
30:40
Speaker 1: the harassment would start up again. So this eerie timing
30:44
Speaker 1: made some officers begin to suspect that Cindy herself might
30:48
Speaker 1: be orchestrating at least part of the drama, and skeptics
30:52
Speaker 1: wondered if a stalker knew when the police were present,
30:56
Speaker 1: could it be that Cindy was somehow tipping someone off,
30:59
Speaker 1: or even faking incidents when nobody was looking. It seems
31:03
Speaker 1: awful to even think about, like a victim making themselves
31:08
Speaker 1: a victim, but officers needed to, you know, look at
31:12
Speaker 1: every single angle, every single possibility. Cindy's parents, however, dismissed
31:17
Speaker 1: this as just coincidence, arguing that any real stalker would
31:21
Speaker 1: obviously lie low when the police were nearby, which, you know,
31:24
Speaker 1: I agree, if there is a stocker, they would obviously
31:27
Speaker 1: see that police are around and not want to intervene
31:30
Speaker 1: in any way as to not get caught. And Cindy's
31:33
Speaker 1: own behavior during the investigation raised further questions, though, because
31:37
Speaker 1: according to both police and private investigator Kaban, Cindy was
31:41
Speaker 1: frustratingly evasive at times, and she didn't always tell authorities
31:46
Speaker 1: everything she knew or everything she suspected. For example, she
31:50
Speaker 1: initially withheld her growing belief that Roy was behind the harassment,
31:54
Speaker 1: only confiding that to a few people while telling police
31:57
Speaker 1: she wasn't sure, and Kaban observed that Cindy often seemed
32:01
Speaker 1: unlike a quote unquote normal victim, sometimes acting as if
32:06
Speaker 1: she was hiding something, and Cindy's mother, Tilly, later explained
32:10
Speaker 1: that Cindy had been explicitly threatened by her attackers a
32:13
Speaker 1: knife held to Cindy's throat, with the warning that if
32:16
Speaker 1: she talked, her family would be the next targets. So
32:20
Speaker 1: this threat might explain why Cindy appeared to hold back
32:23
Speaker 1: details when speaking to investigators, But still, the lack of
32:27
Speaker 1: full cooperation made the police increasingly suspicious, and some members
32:32
Speaker 1: of the RCMP openly considered the possibility that Cindy was
32:35
Speaker 1: staging the incidents due to mental health issues or some
32:39
Speaker 1: unknown motive. And meanwhile, genuine leads were scarce. As noted earlier,
32:44
Speaker 1: Though police questioned Roy make Peace many times, they never
32:48
Speaker 1: found concrete evidence linking him to any sort of crime,
32:51
Speaker 1: and Roy vehemently denied harassing Cindy and even wrote a
32:55
Speaker 1: six page letter to her father Auto insisting that shadowy
32:58
Speaker 1: criminal figures like mafia or drug dealers must be behind
33:02
Speaker 1: Cindy's torment. And he also pushed this narrative to the
33:06
Speaker 1: police as well, and investigators briefly eyed other potential suspects,
33:10
Speaker 1: such as acquaintances or former patients from Cindy's work, but
33:14
Speaker 1: nothing panned out, and to dive even deeper, the RCMP
33:18
Speaker 1: took the extraordinary step of having Cindy undergo multiple hypnosis
33:22
Speaker 1: sessions in late nineteen eighty four and early nineteen eighty five,
33:27
Speaker 1: and under hypnosis, Cindy made a shocking claim she quote
33:31
Speaker 1: unquote remembered witnessing Roy murder a young couple and dismembered
33:36
Speaker 1: their bodies years earlier at a remote cabin. What Roy,
33:42
Speaker 1: what we knew you were a piece of shit. But
33:44
Speaker 1: if this is true, my Lord, lock him up. I mean,
33:47
Speaker 1: lock him up anyway, though you can't throw an ashtrays
33:50
Speaker 1: of people either. But this sensational allegation prompted a full
33:54
Speaker 1: investigation into Roy, but it quickly fell apart, and Cindy's
33:58
Speaker 1: own sister had been on the supposed trip to the
34:01
Speaker 1: cabin and recalled nothing of the sort, and no evidence
34:04
Speaker 1: of any such murders was ever found. The consensus was
34:08
Speaker 1: that Cindy's hypnosis induced memory was either false or a
34:11
Speaker 1: product of her mounting stress and trauma.
34:14
Speaker 2: So Roy is clear for now, all right.
34:17
Speaker 1: But not long after this, in July of nineteen eighty five,
34:19
Speaker 1: Cindy attempted to unsubscribe if you know what I mean
34:23
Speaker 1: by druggers and was involuntarily committed to the psych unit
34:27
Speaker 1: at Lionsgate Hospital in Vancouver, and she later stated it
34:31
Speaker 1: wasn't a genuine attempt to die, but rather an act
34:34
Speaker 1: of utter desperation for the nightmare to end. So coming
34:38
Speaker 1: out of the hospital, Cindy was at her lowest point
34:41
Speaker 1: because the police were doubting her and the attacks continued unabated,
34:45
Speaker 1: and she just felt utterly alone. So while staying with
34:49
Speaker 1: the Woodcocks after the fires at her home, Cindy was
34:52
Speaker 1: suffering from severe depression and anorexia, and she had lost
34:56
Speaker 1: weight and often refused to eat, and she would make
34:59
Speaker 1: comments that she felt her life was no longer worth living. So,
35:03
Speaker 1: sensing her fragile mental state, Cindy's longtime psychiatrist, doctor Alan Connolly,
35:08
Speaker 1: had her involuntarily committed for two weeks at the psychiatric
35:12
Speaker 1: ward at Saint Paul's Hospital in early nineteen eighty six
35:15
Speaker 1: for her own safety, and she then had a comprehensive
35:18
Speaker 1: psychological examination conducted on her at Riverview Hospital, where she
35:23
Speaker 1: was transferred after her stay at Saint Paul's, and the
35:26
Speaker 1: report noted that she was initially extremely resistant, but then
35:30
Speaker 1: began to open up and she maintained good eye contact
35:33
Speaker 1: and less discussing traumatizing incidents during which she would hide
35:37
Speaker 1: her eyes, speak slowly, and often break down in tears
35:40
Speaker 1: during these moments, and she would also regularly ask if
35:44
Speaker 1: her responses showed that she was crazy or not. And
35:47
Speaker 1: as we know, her IQ was very high, well above average.
35:52
Speaker 1: The type of individual that matches her personality could be
35:55
Speaker 1: negative with unpredictable mood swings because they tend to anticipate
35:59
Speaker 1: negative el outcomes and perpetuate them through their behavior.
36:03
Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 1: This type of person tends to be vulnerable to fears unquote,
36:07
Speaker 1: doctor Connolly noted, and they would go on to say
36:10
Speaker 1: she knew she was doubted and that was what slowly
36:13
Speaker 1: drove her crazy unquote. So after ten weeks of intensive treatment,
36:18
Speaker 1: Cindya's condition stabilized enough for her to be released, and
36:22
Speaker 1: it was then that she made a chilling confession to
36:25
Speaker 1: her father, and Cindy said that she knew more about
36:28
Speaker 1: the attacks than she had been saying. In fact, she
36:32
Speaker 1: claimed to know who was behind them. However, she refused
36:35
Speaker 1: to name the person or person's cryptically telling her family
36:39
Speaker 1: she would solve the case herself if the police couldn't. So.
36:43
Speaker 1: If Cindy truly knew her tormentor's identity, why wouldn't she speak.
36:47
Speaker 2: Out about it?
36:48
Speaker 1: Was she protecting someone or was she just so terrified
36:53
Speaker 1: by the threats that she'd rather face danger alone than
36:56
Speaker 1: put loved ones at risk? So those questions lose large
37:00
Speaker 1: as the saga crept toward its climax. So as the
37:04
Speaker 1: years dragged on with no rest or definitive proof of
37:07
Speaker 1: an assailant, theories about Cindy James's situation diverged sharply, and
37:12
Speaker 1: one theory favored by Cindy's family and some friends was
37:15
Speaker 1: that Cindy was indeed the victim of an extremely cunning
37:18
Speaker 1: stalker who managed to terrorize her while evading police capture,
37:22
Speaker 1: possibly her ex husband Roy, or another person with a
37:25
Speaker 1: deep grudge. And supporters of this theory pointed to the
37:29
Speaker 1: genuinely unexplained evidence, such as the witness sightings of a
37:33
Speaker 1: strange man lurking near Cindy's home, and the violent a
37:36
Speaker 1: tax that would be hard to self inflict, like the
37:39
Speaker 1: knife through her hand, and the fact that Cindy seemed
37:43
Speaker 1: truly afraid for her life, and notably, Cindy's private investigator,
37:47
Speaker 1: Ozzy Caban, had encountered physical evidence that.
37:50
Speaker 2: Suggested a real life intruder.
37:52
Speaker 1: One such piece of evidence was the incident in June
37:55
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four where Kaban found Cindy's normally gentle dog, Heidi,
37:59
Speaker 1: tied up up and the cigarette buck in the house
38:02
Speaker 1: that did not match Cindy's brand, indicating someone else had
38:06
Speaker 1: been there, Potentially the comand argued Cindy could never harm
38:09
Speaker 1: her own pet and believe this was proof of an
38:12
Speaker 1: outside perpetrator, and he also personally experienced some of the
38:16
Speaker 1: odd phone calls himself. So those convinced of the stalker
38:19
Speaker 1: theory felt the police simply hadn't caught the person yet,
38:22
Speaker 1: and perhaps due to underestimating Cindy's claims or biases, that
38:26
Speaker 1: made them stop looking for a culprit too soon. But
38:29
Speaker 1: on the other side, many in law enforcement came to
38:32
Speaker 1: embrace a very different explanation, and that was that Cindy
38:36
Speaker 1: was manufacturing the entire ordeal due to psychological issues. The
38:41
Speaker 1: RCMP publicly acknowledged spending over a million dollars in countless
38:46
Speaker 1: hours investigating Cindy's complaints, with little to no concrete evidence
38:50
Speaker 1: to show for it, and not a single independent witness
38:53
Speaker 1: ever saw an attacker only the aftermath, and fingerprints or
38:58
Speaker 1: DNA from a suspect were never found, and crucially, none
39:01
Speaker 1: of the over one hundred reported incidents occurred during extensive
39:06
Speaker 1: police surveillance. So these facts led the RCMP to suspect
39:10
Speaker 1: that Cindy might be either hoaxing the events or harming
39:14
Speaker 1: herself in some form of attention seeking or mental distress.
39:18
Speaker 1: And doctor Anthony Marcus, a psychologist, was brought into this
39:22
Speaker 1: case and theorized that Cindy could have been suffering from
39:25
Speaker 1: dissociative identity disorder or multiple personalities and can experience amnesia
39:31
Speaker 1: between them or a similar condition that caused her to
39:34
Speaker 1: harm herself without full awareness, and he famously remarked, quote
39:39
Speaker 1: this woman was under siege from whatever source inside or
39:43
Speaker 1: out unquote, capturing the uncertainty of whether the threat came
39:47
Speaker 1: from an external stalker or from Cindy's own mind, and
39:51
Speaker 1: other psychiatric experts who evaluated Cindy had varying diagnoses. Some
39:56
Speaker 1: felt she had a hysterical or borderline personality disorder stemming
40:00
Speaker 1: from trauma, which might lead her to fabricate or exaggerate incidents,
40:05
Speaker 1: and significantly, the police also uncovered instances that cast doubt
40:09
Speaker 1: on Cindy's claims, in one example being a phone call
40:12
Speaker 1: in which tracing technology showed Cindy's own phone had dialed
40:17
Speaker 1: her number, suggesting a staged, quote unquote harassing call. And
40:21
Speaker 1: between these two extremes, a victim of an unknown assailant
40:25
Speaker 1: versus a troubled hoaxer lay more nuanced theories. Some who
40:29
Speaker 1: studied the case wondered if Cindy might have been both
40:32
Speaker 1: mentally ill and genuinely targeted. Like doctor Connolly believed Cindy
40:36
Speaker 1: truly was harassed, but also suffered mental health issues due
40:39
Speaker 1: to prolonged trauma, so it was possible. They thought that
40:43
Speaker 1: an initial campaign of abyss, perhaps by an X or
40:46
Speaker 1: someone with a grudge, had caused Cindy such psychological damage
40:50
Speaker 1: that she later imagined or even fabricated additional incidents, unable
40:55
Speaker 1: to distinguish reality from her own nightmares, and another theory
40:59
Speaker 1: floated was that Cindy had an accomplice, someone who helped
41:02
Speaker 1: her stage scenes like the hog tying and injections, which
41:07
Speaker 1: could explain how she pulled off the more physically complicated stunts. However,
41:12
Speaker 1: no evidence of any co conspirator ever surfaced, and Roy,
41:16
Speaker 1: despite intense scrutiny, was never charged. So the lack of
41:19
Speaker 1: clear motive for anyone else, because Cindy had no known
41:23
Speaker 1: enemies outside of her marriage, further muddled the entire picture.
41:28
Speaker 1: The investigation was at a stalemate, with RCMP largely convinced
41:32
Speaker 1: there was no stalker, while Cindy and her supporters insisted
41:36
Speaker 1: of very real danger lurked in the shadows. So throughout
41:39
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, Cindy's bizarre case did not stay private,
41:43
Speaker 1: and instead a gradually drew public attention, especially in the
41:47
Speaker 1: Vancouver area. Neighbors in Cindy's Richmond community were aware something
41:52
Speaker 1: was terribly wrong because I saw police cars at her
41:54
Speaker 1: house frequently and heard rumors of the frightening incidences, and
41:58
Speaker 1: some neighbors were very simpleathetic, worried that a violent stalker
42:01
Speaker 1: might be prowling the neighborhood, but others grew skeptical or fearful,
42:06
Speaker 1: wondering if Sidney was crying wolf or if danger truly
42:10
Speaker 1: stalked their streets.
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Speaker 2: So this divided.
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Speaker 1: Opinion in the community mirrored the divide within the investigation itself,
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Speaker 1: and by the time of the most dramatic incidents, local
42:20
Speaker 1: newspapers had begun reporting on the mystery of Cindy james In.
42:24
Speaker 1: Some early coverage highlighted the strangeness of the attacks and
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Speaker 1: the idea of a possible stalker who couldn't be caught.
42:31
Speaker 1: But as police skepticism became known, tabloids and talk shows
42:35
Speaker 1: latched onto the more sensational angle that Cindy might be
42:38
Speaker 1: delusional or faking it. Classic media. In public reaction to
42:44
Speaker 1: Cindy's story was intense. Many felt deep sympathy for her,
42:49
Speaker 1: viewing Cindy as a woman failed by those who should
42:51
Speaker 1: have protected her, and they heavily criticized the RSMP for
42:54
Speaker 1: dismissing her pleas and noted how in that era, stalking
42:58
Speaker 1: was not well understood or always take and seriously by authorities.
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Speaker 1: But others, however, pointed to the lack of evidence and
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Speaker 1: the strange contradictions suspecting mental illness or a hoax, and
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Speaker 1: letters to newspaper editors and early online forums and later
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Speaker 1: discussions on podcasts and even read it revealed that even
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Speaker 1: decades later, people remained strongly divided on Cindy James, and
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Speaker 1: the only consensus overall was that the case was both
43:23
Speaker 1: frightening and frustrating, leaving everyone with more questions than answers.
43:28
Speaker 1: So by nineteen eighty eight, the pressure on everyone involved
43:31
Speaker 1: in Cindy's case had reached a breaking point, and Cindy
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Speaker 1: herself was trying to rebuild some normalcy and she actually
43:38
Speaker 1: got a job as a nurse at Richmond General Hospital
43:41
Speaker 1: in August of nineteen eighty seven, and soon the harassment resumed,
43:45
Speaker 1: with familiar patterns smashed windows, porch lights unscrewed, and attempts
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Speaker 1: to break in reported to police, and Cindy was utterly
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Speaker 1: exhausted by years of fear, and she started taking even
43:57
Speaker 1: more precautions. She invited friends to stay over more frequently
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Speaker 1: so she wouldn't be alone. Her friends Agnes and Tom
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Speaker 1: Woodcock often spent the night to help Cindy feel safer,
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Speaker 1: and even renting out part of her house was a
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Speaker 1: safety tactic, and in early nineteen eighty nine, Cindy led
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Speaker 1: a trusted acquaintance, Richard Johnston, a life insurance agent that
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Speaker 1: she purchased a policy from, move into her basement suite.
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Speaker 1: And for the RCMP, the case had become a sore
44:21
Speaker 1: spot because they had devoted an enormous amount of resources
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Speaker 1: and their official stance was that Cindy likely wasn't in
44:27
Speaker 1: danger from anyone but herself and internally, some officers felt
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Speaker 1: vindicated in this conclusion, but others were still uneasy. At
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Speaker 1: least one, detective Jerry Anderson, treated Cindy with patience and
44:39
Speaker 1: continued to investigate leads, earning Cindy's gratitude for taking her seriously,
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Speaker 1: and Cindy even filed a formal complaint against the RCMP
44:48
Speaker 1: for how dismissively some officers treated her, pointing out that
44:52
Speaker 1: only Detective Anderson had shown her consistent respect and diligence,
44:55
Speaker 1: and this complaint indicates the level of strain between Cindy
44:58
Speaker 1: and the police by ten eighty nine, because trust had
45:01
Speaker 1: eroded on both sides. Meanwhile, the unknown events persisted, keeping
45:07
Speaker 1: everyone on edge, but mostly Cindy, and in October of
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, Roy received frightening anonymous voice messages about
45:16
Speaker 1: Cindy on his answering machine, containing phrase's like.
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Speaker 3: And quote more smack more downers another grand after re
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Speaker 3: waste the unquote, and.
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Speaker 1: He turned those tapes over to a lawyer, suspecting police
45:40
Speaker 1: might use them to implicate him, but also perhaps to
45:43
Speaker 1: document that something odd was still going on. Shortly after,
45:47
Speaker 1: in late nineteen eighty eight or early nineteen eighty nine,
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Speaker 1: Cindy was found unconscious and half naked, this time in
45:53
Speaker 1: her own garage, hogtied yet again with nylon stockings, and
45:58
Speaker 1: the RCMP hired not expert Robert Chisnell and analyzed the
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Speaker 1: bindings at the time and concluded it was quote unquote
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Speaker 1: highly unlikely Cindy could have tied herself up in that
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Speaker 1: elaborate manner, especially given her physical condition, and this should
46:14
Speaker 1: have been a powerful clue pointing to foul play. Yet
46:18
Speaker 1: skepticism lingered, and on April eighth, a note was found
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Speaker 1: at Richmond General Hospital, her workplace, put together with cut
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Speaker 1: and pasted letters spelling out quote unquote soon Cindy whooh
46:32
Speaker 1: just and other attempted break ins around this period produced
46:37
Speaker 1: mixed evidence because one time police dogs detected no intruder scent,
46:41
Speaker 1: and another time dogs did pick up a trail leading
46:44
Speaker 1: from Cindy's house over a fence, suggesting someone had fled,
46:47
Speaker 1: And these conflicting outcomes kept the truth just out of reach,
46:52
Speaker 1: and with each new report, tensions mounted and Cindy's friends
46:56
Speaker 1: and family feared that sooner or later, something truly awful
46:59
Speaker 1: would happen if the mystery wasn't solved. And Cindy herself
47:02
Speaker 1: was described as jumpy and just worn down, but also
47:06
Speaker 1: determined to get to the bottom of it one way
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Speaker 1: or another. So in May of nineteen eighty nine, nearly
47:13
Speaker 1: seven years after the nightmare began, it all came to
47:16
Speaker 1: a head and the stage was set for a final
47:20
Speaker 1: tragic turn of events. So on May twenty fifth, nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty nine, Cindy vanished under circumstances that sent chills through
47:28
Speaker 1: those who knew her. That day had started normally enough.
47:32
Speaker 1: Cindy went to Richmond General Hospital where she worked, to
47:35
Speaker 1: pick up her paycheck around four PM, and a coworker
47:39
Speaker 1: who chatted with her were called. Cindy seemed to be
47:41
Speaker 1: in good spirits, even mentioning that there had been no
47:44
Speaker 1: harassment incidents for a couple of weeks, a rare bit
47:47
Speaker 1: of relief in a very troubled life. And Cindy then
47:50
Speaker 1: ran errands in the evening, and surveillance cameras and witnesses
47:54
Speaker 1: later confirmed she stopped at a Safeway grocery store and
47:57
Speaker 1: visited a Bank of Montreal ATM at the Blundelle shopping Center,
48:01
Speaker 1: depositing her paycheck just before eight PM. And she had
48:05
Speaker 1: plans that night to have friends over, and those friends
48:08
Speaker 1: were Agnes and Tom Woodcock, and they were scheduled to
48:10
Speaker 1: come by Cindy's house to play bridge and stay overnight
48:13
Speaker 1: for her safety, and she also had scheduled the installation
48:16
Speaker 1: of an expensive infrare security system at her home. But
48:20
Speaker 1: Cindy never showed up for the appointment or to greet
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Speaker 1: her friends. And when the Woodcocks arrived at Cindy's home
48:27
Speaker 1: around ten pm to check on her, they found the
48:30
Speaker 1: house dark and locked, and Cindy's car was still gone,
48:34
Speaker 1: So this immediately struck them as unusual and very worrying.
48:38
Speaker 1: So the Woodcocks spoke with Johnson, the man renting her basement,
48:41
Speaker 1: who said Cindy mentioned she was out shopping earlier and
48:44
Speaker 1: should be back soon, But growing alarmed, agneson Tom began
48:48
Speaker 1: driving to search for her. Before long, they discovered Cindy's car,
48:52
Speaker 1: a silver Chevrolet, abandoned in the parking lot of the
48:56
Speaker 1: nearby shopping mall, the same Blundell Center where she had
48:59
Speaker 1: been seen earlier, and inside the car were groceries and
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Speaker 1: a wrapped gift, presumably something that Cindy had bought for
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Speaker 1: a friend's child's upcoming birthday, And on the ground beneath
49:10
Speaker 1: the car they spotted items from Cindy's wallets scattered about,
49:14
Speaker 1: as if someone had dumped them out, and even more
49:17
Speaker 1: ominous blood was found on the driver's side door of
49:20
Speaker 1: the car. So realizing something was terribly wrong, the Woodcocks
49:24
Speaker 1: went straight to the RCMP to report Cindy missing, even
49:28
Speaker 1: though only a few hours had passed since anyone had
49:30
Speaker 1: last seen her, and given Cindy's extensive history with the police,
49:35
Speaker 1: the response was swift and officers arrived at the scene
49:38
Speaker 1: and carefully examined the car. In the presence of blood
49:41
Speaker 1: in Cindy's belongings obviously indicated possible foul play, and that
49:45
Speaker 1: night police also entered Cindy's house to look for clues
49:48
Speaker 1: or signs of a struggle, and inside everything was eagerly
49:52
Speaker 1: normal and the home was neat and nothing disturbed, with
49:56
Speaker 1: all Cindy's beloved houseplants well watered and in order, was
50:00
Speaker 1: as if she had simply stepped out and just never returned.
50:04
Speaker 1: So authorities launched an intensive search, and the Canadian Coastguards
50:08
Speaker 1: scoured local rivers and the coastline because Richmond and crisscrossed
50:12
Speaker 1: by waterways in case Cindy had been dumped or fallen
50:16
Speaker 1: into the water. But days went by with no sign
50:19
Speaker 1: of Cindy, though a strange twist emerged when Johnson, her
50:24
Speaker 1: tenant and life insurance agent, reported a suspicious phone call
50:27
Speaker 1: to the police. When Johnston said that several days after
50:31
Speaker 1: Cindy disappeared, someone phoned his office claiming to be Cindy's father,
50:36
Speaker 1: Auto and inquiring about Cindy's life insurance policy, and the
50:40
Speaker 1: secretary who took the call found it odd and insisted
50:43
Speaker 1: the father would need to come in person to discuss
50:46
Speaker 1: any policy details, and when asked, the real Auto Hack
50:50
Speaker 1: denied making any such call. So this suggested that an
50:54
Speaker 1: unknown individual was already thinking about Cindy's life insurance payout,
50:58
Speaker 1: and that's a detail that implied someone was expecting to
51:01
Speaker 1: benefit or cover their tracks. However, this lead never solidly
51:05
Speaker 1: panned out into identifying a suspect, and for two excruciating weeks,
51:11
Speaker 1: Cindy's friends and family waited and hoped for her safe
51:14
Speaker 1: return or at least some clue to her fate. In
51:17
Speaker 1: the case of the missing nurse made headlines, and the
51:20
Speaker 1: whole community just braced itself, and unfortunately, the outcome would
51:25
Speaker 1: be the worst anyone feared because on the morning of
51:28
Speaker 1: June eighth, nineteen eighty nine, a municipal road worker named
51:31
Speaker 1: Gordon Starchuck was doing his rounds in an area of Richmond,
51:35
Speaker 1: not far from where Cindy's car had been found, and
51:38
Speaker 1: in the backyard of an old, abandoned house on Blundell Road,
51:42
Speaker 1: Starchuk noticed something alarming, and that was a body lying
51:47
Speaker 1: in the brush, and it was the body of a woman,
51:50
Speaker 1: and it didn't appear to be recent, and he immediately
51:53
Speaker 1: alerted authorities and police arrived and the scene that unfolded
51:58
Speaker 1: was as grim as it was plexing, because the deceased
52:01
Speaker 1: woman was identified as Cindy James, who had now been
52:05
Speaker 1: missing for about two weeks, and she was found on
52:08
Speaker 1: her side in the overgrown yard, and the condition of
52:12
Speaker 1: her body told a horrifying story, because Cindy's hands and
52:17
Speaker 1: feet were tied tightly behind her back in a cruel
52:20
Speaker 1: hogtie with a black stalking similar to all those other
52:24
Speaker 1: times she had been attacked, and it was also wound
52:27
Speaker 1: tightly around her neck, and it looked unmistakably like a
52:32
Speaker 1: murder scene. Yet the location was oddly public, and this
52:36
Speaker 1: abandoned house sat along a busy street with plenty of
52:39
Speaker 1: foot traffic and passerby. So had Cindy's body been here
52:43
Speaker 1: the whole two weeks in an area people frequently walked by,
52:47
Speaker 1: it seemed hard to believe no one noticed earlier, so
52:51
Speaker 1: investigators examining the area found an extra chilling detail. On
52:55
Speaker 1: the exterior fuel tank of the house. Someone had spray
52:59
Speaker 1: painted a crude graffiti message in orange paint that read,
53:04
Speaker 1: quote unquote some bitch died here.
53:10
Speaker 3: I just.
53:12
Speaker 1: Absolutely horrible, And a line of the same spray paint
53:16
Speaker 1: ran across the ground, literally circling the spot where Cindy's
53:20
Speaker 1: body lay, and inside the abandoned building, the word quote
53:24
Speaker 1: unquote devil was found spray painted, though it wasn't clear
53:28
Speaker 1: if it was related or left by vandals at another time,
53:31
Speaker 1: but the macabre spray painted message and the way Cindy's
53:34
Speaker 1: body was positioned suggested the perpetrator, if there was one,
53:38
Speaker 1: wanted the discovery to feel like a taunt, and forensic
53:42
Speaker 1: experts and pathologist doctor Sheila Carlisle carefully documented the state
53:46
Speaker 1: of Cindy's remains. Cindy's body had begun decomposing, consistent with
53:51
Speaker 1: being exposed outdoors for days, and forensic entomologist or bug
53:56
Speaker 1: expert Gail Anderson later analyzed insect activity and concluded that
54:00
Speaker 1: Cindy likely died around June's second, nineteen eighty nine, meaning
54:05
Speaker 1: her body had been out there for roughly a week
54:08
Speaker 1: before being found. And the bindings were so tight that
54:11
Speaker 1: one of Cindy's fingers had been cut down to the
54:14
Speaker 1: bone by her own fingernail in the struggle, and they
54:18
Speaker 1: also found what looked like a needle puncture mark on
54:21
Speaker 1: the inside of her right elbow, evidence that matched Cindy's
54:25
Speaker 1: prior reports of being injected during attacks. But where was
54:29
Speaker 1: the needle or any other evidence besides the body for
54:33
Speaker 1: that matter, so the autopsy results added another layer of mystery.
54:38
Speaker 1: The coroner determined that Cindy did not die from strang
54:43
Speaker 1: or external injuries at the scene, and instead she had
54:46
Speaker 1: succumbed to a massive overdub of drugs, specifically a combination
54:52
Speaker 1: of morphine, diazepam or vallium, and florazepam, which is a
54:57
Speaker 1: sleep aid. Toxicology tests showed up an extraordinary amount of
55:01
Speaker 1: morphine about ten times a lethal dose in her bloodstream,
55:06
Speaker 1: and Cindy's stomach contained traces of the drugs, suggesting she
55:10
Speaker 1: had swallowed pills another lethal dose aside from the morphine,
55:15
Speaker 1: But experts couldn't determine for sure how the morphine entered
55:18
Speaker 1: her system. It might have been taken orally or injected.
55:23
Speaker 1: It was baffling, as one pharmacologist put it, and what
55:26
Speaker 1: they did conclude is that such a huge overdo would
55:30
Speaker 1: have incapacitated Cindy very quickly, likely knocking her unconscious within
55:35
Speaker 1: minutes and killing her within a few hours, especially if
55:40
Speaker 1: administered by injection. And this raised questions because if Cindy
55:45
Speaker 1: was murdered, how did the killer manage to tie her
55:49
Speaker 1: up after dosing her? Or alternatively, if Cindy somehow took
55:54
Speaker 1: the drugs herself, how on earth could she tie herself
55:57
Speaker 1: up in that condition in the arsenium. He upon these findings,
56:01
Speaker 1: leaned towards a controversial conclusion because despite the bizarre position
56:05
Speaker 1: of Cindy's bound body, police theorized that Cindy's death might
56:10
Speaker 1: have been an accident resulting from her own actions or
56:16
Speaker 1: in unsubscription, if you know what I mean, And in
56:19
Speaker 1: their view, all the prior incidents had been staged and
56:22
Speaker 1: this final scene was the culmination of Cindy's troubled plan
56:26
Speaker 1: and perhaps an unsubscription made to look like a murder.
56:31
Speaker 1: And this perspective was quickly reported in some press outlets,
56:35
Speaker 1: casting doubts on Cindy even in death. However, not everyone
56:39
Speaker 1: agreed with the police's take, and Cindy's family was adamant
56:43
Speaker 1: that she would never have done that to herself, especially
56:46
Speaker 1: not in such a horrific fashion. Then, her father Otto
56:50
Speaker 1: publicly stated quote, there is no way that she could
56:53
Speaker 1: have been able after ingesting that amount of drugs to
56:57
Speaker 1: tie herself up unquote, and he pointed out that no
57:01
Speaker 1: syringe or drinking straw which could have been used to
57:04
Speaker 1: consume the morphine was found at the scene, implying that
57:08
Speaker 1: a third party had to be involved, and Ozzie Kabban,
57:12
Speaker 1: Cindy's private investigator, personally went to view Cindy's body at
57:16
Speaker 1: the Morgue on June tenth, nineteen eighty nine, and there
57:20
Speaker 1: he made a crucial observation because the post mortem blood
57:23
Speaker 1: pooling on Cindy's skin was on the opposite side of
57:27
Speaker 1: her body than how she was found. In other words,
57:31
Speaker 1: the blood had settled on her left side, but she
57:35
Speaker 1: was discovered lying on her right side. So to Kaban,
57:39
Speaker 1: this suggested that Cindy died elsewhere and was moved to
57:42
Speaker 1: the abandoned house yard after death, and if true, that
57:46
Speaker 1: directly contradicts the idea of on subscription in that spot.
57:52
Speaker 1: But despite these troubling discrepancies, the authorities were not convinced
57:57
Speaker 1: it was murder either, and they undertook took one final
58:01
Speaker 1: exhaustive step to try to resolve the manner of Cindy's death,
58:05
Speaker 1: and that was a full coroner's inquest. So as the
58:09
Speaker 1: inquest unfolded, two competing theories about Cindy's death solidified, each
58:14
Speaker 1: with its own set of supporting evidence and passionate advocates.
58:17
Speaker 1: The first one is on subscription, if you know what
58:21
Speaker 1: I mean. So it posits that Cindy, driven by a
58:24
Speaker 1: combination of mental illness and desire for attention or sympathy,
58:28
Speaker 1: orchestrated the harassment incidents and ultimately unsubscribed, and supporters of
58:34
Speaker 1: this view lean on the lack of concrete evidence of
58:37
Speaker 1: any other person involved. After seven years of intense investigation,
58:41
Speaker 1: not one suspect was identified, no fingerprints or DNA of
58:45
Speaker 1: a perpetrator turned up, and no one ever saw an
58:48
Speaker 1: attacker beside Cindy herself. And they pointed out that when
58:52
Speaker 1: Cindy was under close surveillance nothing ever happened, implying she
58:57
Speaker 1: could only act out when she knew she wasn't being watched.
59:01
Speaker 1: Because this seemed to be suspicious timing to a lot
59:03
Speaker 1: of people, and at the inquest, it was revealed that
59:06
Speaker 1: Cindy's sister found a glass cutter in Cindy's purse after
59:09
Speaker 1: her death, along with a syringe kit and saline. The
59:14
Speaker 1: existence of these things in her possession, along with the
59:16
Speaker 1: medications she hoarded, suggest a level of planning and thanks
59:21
Speaker 1: to not expert Chisnel's demonstration. We know that the hogtie
59:25
Speaker 1: could be self inflicted in about three minutes, which showed
59:28
Speaker 1: that the final scene was at least feasible in Cindy's
59:31
Speaker 1: mental state and is the central factor for this theory.
59:36
Speaker 1: The stress of believing that no one believed her and
59:39
Speaker 1: her divorce and potentially untreated trauma from childhood and the
59:42
Speaker 1: attention she got as a victim could have created a
59:46
Speaker 1: cycle she just couldn't escape, and investigators noted that Cindy's
59:50
Speaker 1: stories changed. Sometimes she said one attacker and sometimes she
59:55
Speaker 1: said there was two or three attackers. Her details would shift,
59:59
Speaker 1: which is consistent with a fabricated narrative that evolves, and
1:00:03
Speaker 1: even Cindy's own words hinted at internal conflict. Is she
1:00:06
Speaker 1: told a psychiatrist that people doubting her was driving her crazy,
1:00:10
Speaker 1: and this was an acknowledgment that the disbelief was tormenting her.
1:00:14
Speaker 1: And the final scene had no apparent signs of a struggle,
1:00:17
Speaker 1: no defensive wounds. And another angle is that it might
1:00:20
Speaker 1: not have been an intentional unsubscription. Cindy could have planned
1:00:25
Speaker 1: to drug herself just enough to set the scene and
1:00:27
Speaker 1: then dramatically be rescued but accidentally overdosed in the process
1:00:33
Speaker 1: of staging, resulting in an unplanned death. And perhaps Cindy
1:00:38
Speaker 1: intended to make it appear as if her tormentor had
1:00:41
Speaker 1: finally killed her, hoping her death would be seen as murder,
1:00:45
Speaker 1: hence tying herself to ensure it looked violent, but miscalculated
1:00:49
Speaker 1: how powerful the drugs were, which to me is hard
1:00:52
Speaker 1: to believe since she is a nurse, that's part of
1:00:57
Speaker 1: her education. If anybody would be able to, you know,
1:01:02
Speaker 1: just not quite die, that she would be able to
1:01:06
Speaker 1: know that information. So the idea of it being accidental,
1:01:10
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think adds up personally. And
1:01:14
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me is the blood pooling, because
1:01:17
Speaker 1: bodies that sit somewhere for a long time the blood pools,
1:01:20
Speaker 1: and if you were to be flipped, it doesn't change.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: So somebody would have had to have flipped her. Is
1:01:25
Speaker 1: it possible that somebody came along a bypasser that flipped
1:01:29
Speaker 1: her and then just didn't report it. I guess, but
1:01:32
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. It feels unlikely and there
1:01:35
Speaker 1: are more holes in this theory because it's tough to
1:01:39
Speaker 1: imagine someone enduring horrific self harm for years, including herself
1:01:45
Speaker 1: through the hand yourself to unconsciousness, lying in a ditch
1:01:48
Speaker 1: well hypothermic, without any slip up or confession. And if
1:01:52
Speaker 1: Sidney did all that herself, it would make her one
1:01:55
Speaker 1: of the most extraordinary hoaxers in history and physically and
1:02:00
Speaker 1: mentally capable of extreme pain and high risk. And also
1:02:04
Speaker 1: why would Cindy continue to stage incidents even after being
1:02:07
Speaker 1: in a psych word or after nearly dying. If it
1:02:10
Speaker 1: was attention she wanted, she already had it many times over.
1:02:14
Speaker 1: And if it was to frame Roy, the police had
1:02:16
Speaker 1: thoroughly investigated him, and the motive for self torment becomes
1:02:19
Speaker 1: murky at that point. And in the end, intentionally or not,
1:02:24
Speaker 1: Cindy became a victim of her own dangerous game in
1:02:27
Speaker 1: the unsubscription or accidental unsubscription theory. And then, of course
1:02:32
Speaker 1: there is the murder theory, and in this scenario, Cindy
1:02:36
Speaker 1: James was murdered by a person or persons who had
1:02:39
Speaker 1: been harassing her all along, And advocates of this theory
1:02:43
Speaker 1: argue that physical evidence of binding an injection at the
1:02:46
Speaker 1: death scene is nearly impossible to reconcile with unsubscription, as
1:02:51
Speaker 1: how could Cindy hogtie herself so expertly under heavy sedation
1:02:57
Speaker 1: and then hide the needle or any apparatus used to
1:03:01
Speaker 1: ingest morphine all before losing consciousness.
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Speaker 2: That's a big one too.
1:03:05
Speaker 1: There was nothing found at the scene, so if it
1:03:07
Speaker 1: was herself, it just wouldn't be possible, or I don't
1:03:11
Speaker 1: know how it would be, but it seems impossible. And
1:03:13
Speaker 1: I point out that Cindy was a relatively small, vulnerable woman,
1:03:18
Speaker 1: and that many of the prior incidents, including being found
1:03:21
Speaker 1: and unconscious in a ditch miles from her home in
1:03:23
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, would have been extremely difficult to self inflict.
1:03:27
Speaker 1: And that ditch incident, for example, left Cindy with bruises,
1:03:31
Speaker 1: a stalking around her neck, and suffering from hypothermia in
1:03:35
Speaker 1: the middle of winter, and skeptics of the hoax idea
1:03:39
Speaker 1: ask could she really have given herself those bruises or
1:03:43
Speaker 1: herself and then walked a few miles in the cold
1:03:46
Speaker 1: night to collapse in a random ditch. Similarly, the attack
1:03:50
Speaker 1: with the knife through her hand and the vicious messages
1:03:53
Speaker 1: seemed beyond what most people would do to themselves, and
1:03:56
Speaker 1: there also seemed to be a consistent mo of the assailant.
1:03:59
Speaker 1: The fact that each attack on Cindy featured similar elements, stockings, injections,
1:04:05
Speaker 1: threats suggests a single person or group with a consistent approach,
1:04:10
Speaker 1: and certain bits of evidence strongly hint at someone else.
1:04:14
Speaker 1: Examples like the cigarette butt that didn't match Cindy's brand,
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Speaker 1: the strange man Tom saw outside during the fire, the
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Speaker 1: two voice messages left on Roy's answering machine by a
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Speaker 1: raspy voice person basically threatening Cindy's life and referencing a
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Speaker 1: financial deal which was quote unquote another grand actor.
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Speaker 2: We waste her.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like hitman talk, as if someone was paid
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Speaker 1: to hurt her, And the blood pooling on the wrong side,
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Speaker 1: like I mentioned before, of the body could suggest post
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Speaker 1: mortem movement and staging, and proponents of the murder theory
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Speaker 1: often suspect Roy, considering he was her ex husband, as
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Speaker 1: the likeliest culprit, perhaps working with an accomplice, and they
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Speaker 1: note that Roy had a motive a history of controlling
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Speaker 1: and Cindy possibly a desire for revenge after she left him,
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Speaker 1: and that some evidence like the hospital call with the
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Speaker 1: accent that sounded like Roy's hints at his involvement, and additionally,
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Speaker 1: Roy's odd behavior like parking behind her house at night
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Speaker 1: writing long letters about the mafia might have been smoke
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Speaker 1: and mirrors, and those in Cindy's can't believe the police
1:05:20
Speaker 1: were too quick to judge her and failed to seriously
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Speaker 1: follow up leads that could have proven murder, and they
1:05:26
Speaker 1: also empathized that by labeling Cindy as not credible early on,
1:05:30
Speaker 1: the RCMP may have missed their chance to catch her killer,
1:05:34
Speaker 1: effectively letting a murderer get away with it. And the
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Speaker 1: simple fact that Cindy truly demonstrated that she was in
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Speaker 1: fear for her safety is a seemingly large indicator that
1:05:43
Speaker 1: she wasn't faking it. And if she was sound enough
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Speaker 1: of mine to plan a complex unsubscription, why would she
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Speaker 1: tell her family she identified a perpetrator unless that was
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Speaker 1: part of a long con, which seems unlikely to carry
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Speaker 1: through to the Crave and her Mind also reported that
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Speaker 1: Cindy said the attackers threatened to kill her family if
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Speaker 1: she talked, which would make sense if a real criminal
1:06:06
Speaker 1: was controlling her silence. But of course this theory also
1:06:10
Speaker 1: has its challenges, because who's the murderer Roy is the
1:06:14
Speaker 1: key subject, but was accounted for at key times, and
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Speaker 1: there are no other valid suspects. And the final scene
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Speaker 1: was a very public and visited area, so if it
1:06:24
Speaker 1: occurred elsewhere prior, how did they do so without a
1:06:27
Speaker 1: single trace? And there was alleged history of fake reports.
1:06:31
Speaker 1: And there were a number of incidents that seemed a
1:06:33
Speaker 1: bit too much like Cindy had done them herself, including
1:06:37
Speaker 1: at least one instance of Cindy dialing her own number.
1:06:40
Speaker 1: But to this day, debate rages on, and both theories
1:06:44
Speaker 1: and a combination of them, have staunch defenders, and the
1:06:48
Speaker 1: story of Cindy James continues to perplex and divide.
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Speaker 2: All who study it.
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Speaker 1: But the coroner's inquest into Cindy's death was a pivotal
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Speaker 1: moment that laid bare all aspects of the case, because,
1:07:00
Speaker 1: beginning in April of nineteen ninety and concluding in May
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, it lasted forty days and featured testimony from
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Speaker 1: over eighty witnesses, the longest coroner's inquest in provincial history
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Speaker 1: at the time, and its mandate was not to find guilt,
1:07:15
Speaker 1: but to determine the manner of death and possibly make recommendations.
1:07:19
Speaker 1: So each day the courtroom in Burnaby was filled with investigators,
1:07:23
Speaker 1: medical experts, friends and family of Cindy, and even Cindy's
1:07:27
Speaker 1: ex husband, Roy, and the testimonies often had the feel
1:07:30
Speaker 1: of a high profile trial, revealing new pieces of information
1:07:34
Speaker 1: and occasionally producing gasps or tears from those in attendance,
1:07:38
Speaker 1: and Roy's testimony was among the most dramatic. Was on
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Speaker 1: the stand, he went on the offensive and he accused
1:07:45
Speaker 1: Cindy's family of mistreating her, claiming that Cindy's father, Otto,
1:07:50
Speaker 1: had physically d her as a child and even allegedly
1:07:54
Speaker 1: one of her brothers her. So these explosive claims stunned
1:07:59
Speaker 1: the courtroom. Cindy's family vehemently denied them, and Roy also
1:08:03
Speaker 1: maintained that the police were trying to frame him, asserting
1:08:07
Speaker 1: his innocence yet again. And his accusations against the Hack family, however,
1:08:11
Speaker 1: fed into the narrative that Cindy might have had deep
1:08:15
Speaker 1: seated trauma, potentially supporting the on subscription theory if one
1:08:19
Speaker 1: believed Roy's account of her past. So police and forensic
1:08:23
Speaker 1: experts laid out the facts of the case. Cindy's body
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Speaker 1: had high levels of morphine, valium and florazepam, and they
1:08:30
Speaker 1: explained that while a toxicologist confirmed Cindy swallowed a large
1:08:34
Speaker 1: number of pills enough florazepam alone to be fatal, the
1:08:39
Speaker 1: exact delivery method of the morphine remained undetermined, and if
1:08:43
Speaker 1: Cindy injected the morphine, she would have lost consciousness within minutes,
1:08:47
Speaker 1: making it seemingly impossible to then neatly tie herself up.
1:08:51
Speaker 2: And if she.
1:08:51
Speaker 1: Swallowed it, she might have had longer, perhaps about fifteen
1:08:55
Speaker 1: minutes or more, to bind herself, but that still required
1:08:58
Speaker 1: an incredible feat of coordination given the sedatives taking effect.
1:09:03
Speaker 1: In an RCMP not expert Robert Chisnall testified that he
1:09:07
Speaker 1: had experimented and managed to recreate the same hogtie knots
1:09:10
Speaker 1: on himself within about three minutes when sober. But this
1:09:14
Speaker 1: again is.
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Speaker 2: A not expert.
1:09:16
Speaker 1: His whole job is tying knots, So no shit, you
1:09:19
Speaker 1: can tie nott in three minutes, dude. But this demonstration
1:09:22
Speaker 1: was meant to show that, in theory, Cindy could have
1:09:25
Speaker 1: bound herself before the drugs fully incapacitated her, especially if
1:09:29
Speaker 1: she took pills that take a little time to absorb. However,
1:09:33
Speaker 1: it was a theory that jurors found hard to square
1:09:36
Speaker 1: with the sheer amount of drugs and the precise tight
1:09:39
Speaker 1: bindings observed. Remember it was almost to her bone, they
1:09:43
Speaker 1: were so tight. And further findings highlighted how perplexing Cindy's
1:09:47
Speaker 1: case was. And Cindy's family had made some startling discoveries
1:09:51
Speaker 1: after her death, and her parents had found a stash
1:09:54
Speaker 1: of various medications in Cindy's home, including sedatives and antipsychotic drugs,
1:09:59
Speaker 1: many of which Cindy had been prescribed during her psychiatric treatment,
1:10:03
Speaker 1: so not completely out of the norm, but distressingly, instead
1:10:07
Speaker 1: of preserving these as evidence, her parents admitted they flushed
1:10:11
Speaker 1: the pills down the toilet, possibly not realizing their importance.
1:10:16
Speaker 1: So did they do it out of instinct, not wanting
1:10:20
Speaker 1: the media to seize on Cindy's prescriptions to paint.
1:10:23
Speaker 2: Her as crazy.
1:10:25
Speaker 1: Regardless of motive, that action destroyed evidence and this meant
1:10:28
Speaker 1: that investigators couldn't determine if Cindy had accumulated drugs to
1:10:32
Speaker 1: potentially use on herself. And additionally, Cindy's sister Melanie, found
1:10:37
Speaker 1: a glass cutter, syringe kit and a urinary catheter and
1:10:41
Speaker 1: saline solution among Cindy's belongings, and a glass cutter could
1:10:45
Speaker 1: explain how some break ins occurred without obvious force. A
1:10:50
Speaker 1: small hole cut in window glass and a syringe kit
1:10:53
Speaker 1: implied Cindy had means to inject drugs if she wanted to.
1:10:57
Speaker 1: These items were damming in the eyes of those suspecting
1:11:00
Speaker 1: a hoax, and they suggested Cindy might have had the
1:11:03
Speaker 1: tools to stage incidents. However, proponents of the foul play
1:11:07
Speaker 1: theory countered that these could also be a red herring
1:11:11
Speaker 1: or items planted to make her look bad, and testimony
1:11:15
Speaker 1: at the inquest also revisited Cindy's mental health evaluations, and
1:11:19
Speaker 1: multiple doctors who had seen Cindy over the years spoke,
1:11:23
Speaker 1: and doctor Paul Termanson testified that he believed Cindy showed
1:11:26
Speaker 1: signs of hysterical personality disorder, which can involve attention seeking
1:11:31
Speaker 1: and dramatic behavior, and another psychiatrist, doctor Wesley Friesen, said
1:11:36
Speaker 1: Cindy's long term behavior fit borderline personality disorder with PTSD
1:11:40
Speaker 1: from earlier life trauma, and Freesen even believed that Cindy
1:11:44
Speaker 1: harbored a tremendous amount of rage towards her father, and
1:11:48
Speaker 1: that he suspected without proof, that she may have been
1:11:52
Speaker 1: esded in childhood, a claim Cindy never made herself. But
1:11:57
Speaker 1: these psychological autopsies were meant to shed life on whether
1:12:00
Speaker 1: Cindy was capable of extreme actions to unsubscribe herself, and
1:12:05
Speaker 1: the overarching picture was of a woman under severe psychological distress,
1:12:10
Speaker 1: But whether that distress was caused solely by internal demons
1:12:14
Speaker 1: or by a real stalker, or both remained murky, and
1:12:19
Speaker 1: the RCMP had to admit that, despite spending enormous resources,
1:12:24
Speaker 1: they were no closer to solving the mystery, and they
1:12:26
Speaker 1: detailed their surveillance operations and the lengths they went in
1:12:30
Speaker 1: order to trace calls, track Cindy's movements, and investigate leads,
1:12:34
Speaker 1: and some jurors reportedly grew frustrated that so much had happened,
1:12:38
Speaker 1: reportedly over one hundred incidents without any definitive breakthrough, And
1:12:42
Speaker 1: when the inquest finally ended on May twenty fifth, nineteen ninety,
1:12:45
Speaker 1: exactly one year to the day after Cindy disappeared, the
1:12:48
Speaker 1: jury's findings was anticlimactic yet sadly fitting, and they categorized
1:12:54
Speaker 1: her death as neither murder nor on subscription, nor an accident,
1:13:00
Speaker 1: but as an unknown event, and it was the only
1:13:04
Speaker 1: honest answer given the tangle of contradictions, and this meant
1:13:08
Speaker 1: the case would not be pursued further unless new evidence emerged,
1:13:12
Speaker 1: and the RCMP in effect closed the book on Cindy
1:13:16
Speaker 1: James following the inquest, and no charges were ever laid
1:13:19
Speaker 1: against anyone. And for Cindy's loved ones, the inquest result
1:13:23
Speaker 1: was bitter and they were left with no sense of
1:13:26
Speaker 1: closure or any sort of justice. And for investigators it
1:13:30
Speaker 1: meant a professional defeat, an acknowledgment that some truths can
1:13:33
Speaker 1: elude even the most exhaustive inquiry, And for the public
1:13:37
Speaker 1: it just cemented to Cindy James's story as one of
1:13:40
Speaker 1: the most enduring unsolved mysteries, a case where the truth
1:13:44
Speaker 1: lies buried somewhere between two almost unbelievable possibilities. So in
1:13:49
Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of the inquest and the official closing
1:13:53
Speaker 1: of the case, those closest to Cindy James struggled to
1:13:56
Speaker 1: pick up the pieces, and Cidy's family remained convinced that
1:13:59
Speaker 1: someone had literally scared her to death. And they had
1:14:02
Speaker 1: voiced frustration that the system it failed her. And a
1:14:05
Speaker 1: memorial service had been held for Cindy on June fourteenth,
1:14:09
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine, just days after her body was found,
1:14:12
Speaker 1: and it would have been her forty fifth birthday, and
1:14:15
Speaker 1: hidden cameras were used by police at the service, discreetly
1:14:18
Speaker 1: filming the attendees and noting license plates, hoping that if
1:14:22
Speaker 1: a murderer was in their midst, he might betray himself
1:14:26
Speaker 1: by showing up.
1:14:27
Speaker 2: And Roy make Peace notably, did not attend.
1:14:30
Speaker 1: Cindy's memorial, and if police expected the guilty party to
1:14:34
Speaker 1: reveal themselves at the funeral, they were disappointed because nothing
1:14:37
Speaker 1: obvious came of that surveillance. And not long after, the
1:14:40
Speaker 1: abandoned house where Cindy's body had been found was demolished
1:14:44
Speaker 1: in the summer of nineteen eighty nine, and for some
1:14:46
Speaker 1: this was a relief as a grim landmark was erased,
1:14:50
Speaker 1: but others whispered that perhaps evidence was destroyed with it,
1:14:54
Speaker 1: though by then the scene had been thoroughly processed. In
1:14:57
Speaker 1: the Richmond community, which had been on end during Cindy's saga,
1:15:01
Speaker 1: slowly returned to normalcy, but the story left a residue
1:15:05
Speaker 1: of unease, and neighbors who had known Cindy or at
1:15:08
Speaker 1: least known of her, felt sorrow and confusion, and many
1:15:12
Speaker 1: could not shake the question had there been a dangerous
1:15:16
Speaker 1: predator among us that whole time, or conversely, had we
1:15:20
Speaker 1: harbored a troubled soul whom nobody could save from herself?
1:15:24
Speaker 1: And Cindy's parents, Auto and Tilley carried their conviction of
1:15:28
Speaker 1: Cindy's innocence with them, and they would speak to media
1:15:31
Speaker 1: on occasion, always defending their daughter's character and memory, and
1:15:34
Speaker 1: to them, the fact that Cindy endured seven years of
1:15:37
Speaker 1: terror only to die just as she predicted by stalker
1:15:41
Speaker 1: was evidence enough of homicide, and they grieved not only
1:15:45
Speaker 1: the loss of their daughter, but also the painful possibility
1:15:48
Speaker 1: that the truth died with her. And Roy quickly faded
1:15:51
Speaker 1: from public view after the inquest, and the cloud of
1:15:54
Speaker 1: suspicion lingered around him for some, but legally he was
1:15:58
Speaker 1: in the clear, and reports indicate he died of natural
1:16:01
Speaker 1: causes years later, never having faced any charges related to
1:16:04
Speaker 1: Cindy's case, and friends like Agnes and Tom Woodcock carried on,
1:16:09
Speaker 1: but the experience left them shake and Agnes, who had
1:16:12
Speaker 1: been there for her and had tried so hard to
1:16:14
Speaker 1: protect her friend, expressed guilt that they couldn't do more.
1:16:18
Speaker 1: In in interviews, she remained adamant that Cindy could not
1:16:22
Speaker 1: have staged the brutality she witnessed firsthand. And although the
1:16:25
Speaker 1: police investigation officially ended with the inquest conclusion, the investigation
1:16:30
Speaker 1: into Cindy James's story continued in other forms through journalism, literature,
1:16:36
Speaker 1: and persistent public curiosity, and in nineteen ninety one, two
1:16:39
Speaker 1: notable books were published, each delving deeply into the case,
1:16:44
Speaker 1: one being The Deaths of Cindy James by Neil Hall
1:16:48
Speaker 1: and another being Who Killed Cindy James by Ian Mulgrew.
1:16:52
Speaker 1: And these books gathered interviews, evidence, and theories, presenting readers
1:16:56
Speaker 1: with comprehensive accounts. And Hall's work takes a more objective
1:17:00
Speaker 1: of fact driven and journalistic approach as he covered the
1:17:03
Speaker 1: case extensively, while Mulgrew's book takes more of the approach
1:17:07
Speaker 1: of advocacy, aligning with the view that Cindy was the
1:17:10
Speaker 1: victim of persecution and murder. But over the years, true
1:17:13
Speaker 1: crime television revisited the case multiple times, even internationally, and
1:17:17
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, the American TV program A Current
1:17:20
Speaker 1: Affair ran a profile on Cindy's unexplained disappearance and the
1:17:24
Speaker 1: prior stocking reports. But after her death, the story made
1:17:27
Speaker 1: its way into numerous true crime magazines and news segments.
1:17:31
Speaker 1: Perhaps the biggest spotlight came when Unsolved Mysteries featured Cindy
1:17:35
Speaker 1: James's case in February of nineteen ninety one. In that episode,
1:17:40
Speaker 1: watched by many, presented the facts and interviews in a
1:17:43
Speaker 1: suspenseful way, asking viewers to decide was Cindy James killed
1:17:48
Speaker 1: by a murderous tormentor or had she in effect scared
1:17:52
Speaker 1: herself to death? But the media tended to emphasize the
1:17:55
Speaker 1: uncanny elements of the story, the cut and paced threat
1:17:58
Speaker 1: notes and the bizarre voice mas left on Roy's answering machine,
1:18:01
Speaker 1: with someone growling threats about dead meat and wasting her
1:18:05
Speaker 1: and these sordid details made for ripping headlines, and each
1:18:10
Speaker 1: time Cindy's story aired, it sparked a wave of interest
1:18:13
Speaker 1: and debate, and the Internet era gave the case a
1:18:17
Speaker 1: new life as well. Cidy's case has been a topic
1:18:19
Speaker 1: of discussion on countless true crime forums and Reddit threads,
1:18:22
Speaker 1: where people continue to sift through the known facts, sometimes
1:18:26
Speaker 1: uncovering old newspaper clippings or minor details that had been overlooked.
1:18:30
Speaker 1: And one fascinating artifact still is the set of voicemail
1:18:34
Speaker 1: recordings left on Roy's machine, which were made public and
1:18:38
Speaker 1: have been analyzed by enthusiasts. Some claim the voice on
1:18:42
Speaker 1: those tapes the dead Meat messages, sound like it could
1:18:45
Speaker 1: actually be Cindy, using a low, disguised tone, and others
1:18:49
Speaker 1: aren't convinced, and audio specialists have never definitively proven it
1:18:53
Speaker 1: either way, leaving that piece of evidence as tauntalizingly ambiguous
1:18:58
Speaker 1: as everything else, and law enforcement occasionally received requests to
1:19:02
Speaker 1: look at the case again, especially when new eyes and
1:19:05
Speaker 1: the cold case units took interest, but without new forensic
1:19:08
Speaker 1: techniques to apply, like DNA, which was not gathered in
1:19:12
Speaker 1: any useful form at the time. Since there was no
1:19:14
Speaker 1: obvious biological suspect evidence, there was little to be done,
1:19:19
Speaker 1: and Cindy's files remain in the archives of the RCMP,
1:19:22
Speaker 1: marked as closed, and the legacy of the case also
1:19:25
Speaker 1: lives on in discussions about how stalking and mental health
1:19:29
Speaker 1: were treated historically and some investigators privately acknowledged that if
1:19:33
Speaker 1: Cindy's case occurred today, it might be handled differently, with
1:19:37
Speaker 1: more sophisticated surveillance, psychological support, and perhaps more credence given
1:19:43
Speaker 1: to the possibility of an ongoing stalking scenario. Conversely, mental
1:19:47
Speaker 1: health experts reflect on Cindy's story in discussions of conditions
1:19:51
Speaker 1: like PTSD or factitious disorder where someone might fake victimization. Thus,
1:19:56
Speaker 1: Cindy james tragedy has inadvertently educated future police doctors and
1:20:02
Speaker 1: victims advocates on the importance of staying open minded and
1:20:05
Speaker 1: compassionate in complex cases. But as of today, the case
1:20:09
Speaker 1: of Cindy James remains officially unsolved and is considered a
1:20:13
Speaker 1: closed investigation unless new evidence should emerge, just as it
1:20:18
Speaker 1: was left at the inquest, So over thirty years later,
1:20:21
Speaker 1: Cindy James's case endures as a heartbreaking enigma, a reminder
1:20:26
Speaker 1: that sometimes the darkest mysteries remain locked away, leaving us
1:20:30
Speaker 1: to sift through the evidence and our own beliefs in
1:20:33
Speaker 1: search of answers that may never fully surface. But I
1:20:37
Speaker 1: would like to hear what all of you think down
1:20:39
Speaker 1: in the comments. This is an extremely complex case. An
1:20:42
Speaker 1: extremely heartbreaking case no matter what the result, what the
1:20:46
Speaker 1: real result is, but I would like to know what
1:20:49
Speaker 1: you guys think down below. Also, if you have any
1:20:51
Speaker 1: other cases you want me to deep dive into, let
1:20:53
Speaker 1: me know in the comments. I always read them. And
1:20:55
Speaker 1: until next time, stay safe and I will see you
1:20:58
Speaker 1: in the next one, all right, Ke